The ENTITLEMENT of Modern Women
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In this episode, we discuss the ethical and moral implications of abortion, abortion and birth control in relation to pregnancy and abortion. We discuss the moral implications, the legal implications and the moral issues surrounding abortion and abortion in the modern era.
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the state shouldn't get involved to help yes because she had six options because even if she
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has the kid she can still give it up for adoption i'll give you a story my mom was 17 she got
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pregnant by my dad right and instead of they didn't have money they're in college and they
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gave that kid up for adoption and he's like 30 years he's he's married now he has his old life
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ahead of him and so he was raised in a two-parent household and so i'm saying why why can't she do
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that okay yeah i fundamentally don't agree with that i think that when the child is here that
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both parents should be right so i'm saying she could find a family to do it with two parents
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also isn't it's like you give these things like there isn't any emotional ramifications that's
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that's it was a really tough decision for my mom yeah i'm saying it was really it was really
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right but i'm saying that's selfish one thing i said you brought you brought you brought your
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anecdote into this but when you look at the care system of how many people in the uk care system
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go to prison it is doing red or black that i don't think adoption is viable you don't have to do
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adoption but what you can do is pick a better man to make a kid with yeah i want to go on go on birth
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control i'm saying there's six layers i agree with that i'm saying she i'm not saying it has to be
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adoption i'm saying you have choice choice choice choice choice and choice so why can't a man
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financially opt out of being a father but because i think all of those choices that the woman can go
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through are not the same as the financial burden i hear that i think they're very different you're
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talking about the ramifications of you know being putting a child in adoption but again you're not
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considering ramifications of growing up knowing your dad didn't want you yeah that can destroy your
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man yeah that's true 100 because like you're like the child's here now but this is not amazon prime
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bro it takes like nine and a half months for the youth to come or something like that do you know i
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mean it's not like the youth just turns up like the payment comes out and then it don't happen
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so should the man not get his head around that i'm having a child no no i'm not getting my head
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around anything if i tell you like at the time if we find out that you're pregnant and i say yo like
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you know i'm saying i'm not really for your dad i don't want to be a dad maybe financially i don't
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think i can do it mentally i'm not in the right space and you tell me now we're having a baby
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it's my body my choice but a man can say yo what is my money my choice i know just that if you
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understand you know that guy probably doesn't want to be a dad you know that straight away
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but then you are you going to still force him to you don't even know his situation whether he's
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financially stable whether he's in the right mental state to have a child how is that morally right
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though you're giving me like loads of and i'm saying it's blanket once the child but how is that
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morally right though because i'm not talking about morals i'm talking about so the moral implication
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would be your offspring is here no but you said i don't disagree you said before that when the man
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is is is has to be held accountable for for taking part in having sex yeah morally he should be there
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to look after his kid as someone who participated in the in creation of this child yeah so how can
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you then morally say that oh my morals are correct in saying i'm gonna force this man to have to be a
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father though he doesn't want to be a father like how is one because the child the child is going to
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be here now and i think as a man and you have your child what about you as a woman should
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well i would not do that but for other women if i'm going to advocate for other women in that position
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they may have all of their their emotional isms as to why they don't want to it may it may be it may
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be a moral issue for them they're like i can't have an abortion this is my child i have to go through
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with this this is where we are i think as a man if your offspring is here you should pay for that
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child i understand what you're saying because i'm not necessarily i don't necessarily agree
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with abortion i'm just saying to you the moment you decide to disregard all the six different
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options you have and say you're having this child i should be able to say well that's fine but i'm not
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men do that all the time you can i'm talking about from my point of view legally you should pay
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but i don't understand what do you mean men do that all the time they don't pay for their kids
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it's like it's not like the law is still in place to force me to go and i think the law is
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correcting this instance i'm saying there's a difference between more like if if my brother
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got a girl pregnant i i think he should take care of the kid morally but i think there's a difference
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between that i'm putting a gun to a guy's head and saying you must take you must pay for the child
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well nobody has a gun to their head well i mean sort of legally you can go to jail for not paying
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child support even if you actually don't have the money to pay you can still go to prison yeah not
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over here you can't okay i i you can't you know it's still in the west you know in the western world
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yes but no but you only will go to prison if you do have the means and you haven't paid no even if
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you don't have means you will still in america yeah in america so over here i i have numerous
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friends they have not received a penny from their baby fathers they have decided that that they're not
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going to pay i think that you should pay yeah and you should want to pay as a man the whole the whole
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point is that legally like i don't think legally i think sorry if women legally have the choice to not
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be a mother i think men should legally have the choice not to be a father i don't i don't really
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agree with women not being able to i don't really agree with women not women having the choice to not
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be a mother but i'm just saying if they're going to do that it should be equal yeah i disagree do you
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think it's conducive for men if that was the implication that men didn't have any legal
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that they had the legal right to sign off right don't you think men would just be fucking everything
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that walked with reckless abandonment well is that and is that a bad thing for society it would it would
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require it would require women to be more careful with who they slept with because there would be a
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consequence the whole point of this whole show is that women there's no consequence yeah
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and so like women can sleep with a guy get the kid and then even get a beta to marry her later
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and still get the money from both guys yeah yeah to be fair once she gets married then he doesn't
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have to pay us away but you guys you're going on like it's a lot of money this is the thing that's
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like really that for some for some men it is and it doesn't matter it should be zero yeah there
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shouldn't be any incentive for a woman to break up her home or for a woman to catch a kid
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from a guy who doesn't want one and then it's per child say i think it's like 200 pound per child
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say you have three kids for you're gonna pay 600 pounds if you've done it three times and you
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weren't really i hear that i hear that i hear that i do hear that if you've got if you've had three
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kids with her then she leaves but then the marriage the marriage though she leaves the marriage you
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didn't want to leave the marriage why should you be obligated to pay 600 pound that i didn't even
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want but would you not want to your kids to be in a good i don't think i think this is where we're
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getting it confused it's not that men don't we're not saying that we don't want to pay we'll say we
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don't want to be forced to pay there's a difference but it's not in every circumstance because the
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person has to go to the courts but then the law should make it case by case rather than just a
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blanket you have to pay but it's it's not like that that's why we're discussing it and saying
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it should be case by case rather than just the mother has to file for it or you two decide this
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is what you're paying and if she files for it more times she's going to win and that's the point
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and also she has the option to file or not file in it yeah the man don't have the option to not
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and if you dip then boy he's got to deal with the consequences isn't it he's got to see his kids
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when you say he can see them and all of that nonsense but then you're taking his money you don't make
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sense well you go to court and try and get yeah you're not going to win and lose well and you don't
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know how long it'll take them to go to court so they can't see the kid in the time being it takes
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to get to court and like when covid happened a lot of courts were backed up for months and so men
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there were guys that didn't see their kids for a year and the baby mom saying your dad's a dickhead
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and the woman and the woman had no consequence for that yeah i personally i think if you if you
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have no reason to and you're not letting the dad see the kid and you have no good reason like
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honestly you should go to jail for that i don't there should be harsh but i think that for as long
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as he didn't see the kid like i think there should be harsh consequences women should be afraid to
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do that and let's not pretend as if all men have the finances to pay yeah because it's really it's
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really not hard to not let your the or to let your kids see their dad like i really agree with
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all of that but i think prison is very different as a punishment for most crimes in my opinion
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so for a mother because she isn't allowing the father to see her child and then she goes to prison
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who's that serving how is that for the better she's disadvantaged but it's not weird i don't
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think you keep missing a point it's not the the point isn't to send her to prison the point is to
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deter her from doing stupid things yeah i agree that a punishment should be in place but it shouldn't
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why does the punishment matter the punishment should be something that makes you think i do not
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want to have that punishment that's the point prison and removal of a parent from a child
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has don't let him see that then wait wait but but but she did the same thing she did the exact
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that's exactly what she did so we should compound the effects of this say that again we should
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compound the effects i'm not saying we should compound the effects of it i think a woman i'm
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saying no i'm saying a woman would think twice if she knew that every day that she didn't let the dad
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see the kid she got two days in prison i think it's that serious i think it is that serious if you
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are not letting the kid the dad be in the kid's life because you're putting your kid at every
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statistical disadvantage that is selfish i think that is so selfish and if you if you choose to do
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that yeah you made your bed you should you should go to jail for that people go to prison for stuff
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every day and that doesn't stop them from doing it i think that's the i think men go to prison
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you're going to prison all because you won't let the baby dad see your child like you you probably
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aren't fit to look after the children you're wayward i agree with you and i think there are lots of
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people that would die on that sword and i don't think that's in the betterment of children
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if a mother would die and that's all she probably shouldn't have the kids in the house
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and then sometimes you've got to fight that you you you got to pull it together and you've got to go
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to court but again men don't a lot of men don't have the finances to do that and you know so that's
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the point you can't just be saying maybe a lot wisely wear condoms a lot of men go broke trying to
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get their kids back and so they'll spend years trying like in court fighting for their kids and
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then they just give up because they're a negative income yeah definitely i know of that but the way
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you're speaking is she don't care i can see why she doesn't care i think from a female's perspective
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right she's looking at it and going women are hypergamous which means they're looking for the
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highest valuable man they can capture the moment that woman has got that man and his offspring
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she's achieved everything she needs to in in she's got the game she's got the game so why is she gonna
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release that for anything that anyone's talking whether it's moral whether it's reasonable whether
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it's um logical logical like she's not going to give it up because she's clocked the game in what
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she wants to do the same way if a guy was sleeping around with the girls that he exactly wants
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why is he going to stop doing that but you know what's really crazy is that at the start of this
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at the start of this he basically said that if you were a world leader you do really well because
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you just have to be compassionate but just being like oh well about these sorts of issues
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because you guys are presenting me with things where it's like this is how it is and as i said before
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i think there is an adaptation that needs to take place with men because i see a dissatisfaction
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and you're talking about things like it's not going to change unless you go to the extremes of
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you remove being able to vote you remove the the way that you can make money or you just hold women
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accountable for bad behavior and you buy in a ring for them and they're doing that you can do that
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okay you can do that but i what the answer was was prison and i was like how is that in the
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betterment for a child one example that was pearls but yeah so so we can go over what the
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accountability for how is a man going to prison for not paying child support for the betterment
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of the child but yet you don't have an issue with that which is the point i absolutely was like i don't
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see that as okay but then you can go to jail but they don't do that here but exactly if you go to if
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the woman would have the consequence of going to jail too she wouldn't do certain things there
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are lots of things in the american judiciary system where i'm like that doesn't make any sense we do
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not do that over here but they don't go to prison that's not something that happens or because you
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can die on that sort that's cool that's like i'm not dying on the sword i'm just saying to say oh it
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doesn't happen it doesn't matter no it's like i do not agree with that like we're not arguing over
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this i'm literally saying i do not agree with that that should not be the answer to not paying
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child support because it's not in the betterment for the child it's that simple everything i've
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said is the money and everything else should be in the betterment for the child not for either
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partner it's about the child that's why it's called child support it's very simple but would
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you not agree okay let's take take take america would you not agree that if a woman if a man can
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go to jail for not paying child support would you not say it's fair for a woman to go to jail
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for not allowing a man to see his child i don't think it's fair it's context that the context
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no answer i don't think it's fair that anybody is going to prison in this situation but within the
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context with the context but okay men are say men are men are going to jail would you not say in that
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society if a man is going to jail for that would it not make sense also for a woman to go to jail
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for not allowing because the answer what happened to equal rights putting people in prison that it's
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not what happened to equal rights but at this point you're just being the contrary no i'm not i'm not
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going to agree with you because the answer isn't anybody should go to prison the answer is never
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that but we're saying within the context that someone does go to prison should this be fair no
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you're trying to say that sending people to prison no i'm saying all i'm saying is it deters people
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from bad behavior yes it does it doesn't that's why when i'm angry when i'm angry i'll never punch a
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man because i know i'll go to prison and there's consequences and that's you and there are other
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people and most people don't do that but that's that's what i'm saying any law enforcement officer
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will tell you that if you increase the punishment for a crime less people do it no i disagree with
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oh wait so you don't think when class like weed went from class b to class a there was a dip in
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whether people would do it what was selling weed you know there was longer sentences for people
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being placed but it doesn't it doesn't go in the same way it doesn't go in the same way because
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when you look when you look at norway here their prison systems about rehabilitation at the lowest
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offense rates when america when they did the war on uh war on drugs they just increased imprisonment
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rates it didn't and loads of make crime go down it's exactly that so i don't ever know but there
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was also other reforms you have to remember there was a tipping point there was other reforms that
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took place in places like norway even portugal's another example america where they decriminalize
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so my next question is similar okay we're gonna go back to jail time
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do you think if so some studies say that up to like 20 25 percent of men are raising a kid that's
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not theirs oh fucking hell yeah what that much yeah it's hard enough that's fucking but man said
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what one in four men are raising someone else's not knowingly no it's more like one of three i think
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okay yeah one one in four let's just say 20 on the low end okay okay this is not this is 2022
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if a girl does that knowingly or knowing that there's a chance that that kid is not his
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should she face prison time for every year that that man wasted raising a kid that wasn't his
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shake gunshot i swear that's crazy bro that's it at least that should be allowed at least one free
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one free you know just on the courts okay yes yes or no oh please what was it yes or no should
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she face she yeah jail time yeah no come on okay he wasted time resources money she should waste the
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same let's make it equal it's at least a fraud case you know i'm saying yeah yeah it's fraud okay
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the jail time so if he got to 16 years yeah and he was raising yeah and she had been doing fraud it
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would probably be four years okay i think it goes under fraud under fraud okay yes and every child
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born speaking to the mic yes and every child born should have a paternity test because okay yeah i agree
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yeah yeah that's a fraud and she should go to jail 100 fraud she should get a receipt as a fraud case
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okay fraud okay we do we agree yeah now i want to argue no i've already like experience i i have
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experience with that and i do think the girl should have gone to prison yeah you should have to pay all
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that money back as well that you spent you know wasn't someone close to you yeah yeah it was a good
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friend okay and it was a long time that's what that's what happened it was very painful so she those
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were you friends with the she were you friends with the girl the guy no the guy you're friends
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with the guy and she how old was the kid uh they had got to about 11 11 he ain't even the same he
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ain't the same couple men would jump off it how did he find out came clean she came clean yeah 11 you
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know yeah man's all in high school it's everybody else in it it's everybody around because they they are
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kids that you all love as well so it's the grandparents it's auntie uncles it's everybody
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involved but what would make them come clean after 11 years though like what happened right i think it
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was conscience wow you mean he lasted that long and then all of a sudden the conscience kicked in 11
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years a long time people were different that's can i just say that i find it interesting that
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when this is something this is a topic that you know it's affected you personally since you know
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someone you you're more so on our side but you're on the other ones and this is still this is still a
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situation where we're saying the woman should go to prison so the mom wouldn't be in a child's life
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for a certain period of time but yet with the other topic because of the damage that was caused was so
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much and the other side of it is monetary and i don't place it the same if the child is more likely
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to end up in prison or um from being a single parent household even with um what's it called even
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with him paying child support that's still damage right no what did you say so when it comes to
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having having the man's child he doesn't want the child right she's in that child is in a single
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parent household he's still more likely to go to prison even if he's paying child support yeah and
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i don't agree with that yeah but the point is you know we're just saying a man shouldn't have to
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pay for it if he doesn't want to i understand what you're saying what i'm saying the deception
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the deception in this instance had such ramifications on so many different people's lives
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that she should do time for fraud if we can send people to prison for flipping spending on credit
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cards fraudulently what she did affected loads of people she should go to prison but even if
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someone did one person they still go to prison for this time but are we this i said it's not okay
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he's trying to ascertain why you agree with this or not the other one is because you feel personally
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no attached to this situation because you know someone has happened yeah because i know the
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people that it's affected but that's what i'm saying that's the point i will add the point that
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when we went around the room she did agree with everything we said for this specific type of i know
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i know but that was before we found out that was a personal no no but that's that's what i'm asking
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no is it because of the personal attachment 100 and it always no it's the other stuff doesn't affect
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it always never affected us no how much and i clearly said earlier on as well i have two cousins
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currently going through that okay now but should the women in that situation go to prison no fair
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enough i was trying to ascertain why no they shouldn't it's that's an emotional thing between
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the two of them and i and i get the point but this was a deception of the highest order i think
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it's as bad as like the tinder swindler that's worse it's worse than tinder swindler that's what i'm
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saying but i'm talking about like the gel time should be associated with it tinder swindler just
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okay um i think this was a really great show guys i think we're gonna wrap it up um i'm gonna do super
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chats one more time and then we can go around and everyone can do any final thoughts and where people
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can find you so i'm reading these think about what you want to say um okay so let me refresh them
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before i start reading okay so stephen o'brien the government gets their cut out of cs as well
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um perseverance sham leon um guys to put it simply either be celibate or use protection because it
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seems many ladies are unable to use contraception save yourselves mad max um she makes me consider
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the longer the conversation goes the more the corner lady shows she doesn't care only asks questions
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that have um percentages so she can't game the questions sdfds i have six former friends who
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committed suicide everyone had a girlfriend but all were all were psychologically abused by them i
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want to say most of the suicides happen men are cohabitation sabotage and mental abuse
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nah 299 thank you very much stephen o'brien the lack of compassion from the woman on the subject of child
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support is scary as well independent thought joe rogan brought up your viral video i know with ali on his
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recent episode with colin noor um sean spencer thank you for the super chat steven o'brien i work
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for a law firm that handles um family law it's unreal how many women contact us looking for divorce
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and get child support and to get child support and how many men call in having been completely shattered
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by the system mad max uh a cherry is red her i disagree it has a seed me to fuck does that mean
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sean spencer two dollars super chat thank you um xanax um pearl should look into tell telomeres or
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look up dr warren farrell talking about telomeres if she hasn't boys without father involvement by age
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nine have shortened lifespans fatherlessness is that serious um henry louise child support is not 200
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pounds it's a percentage of your income meaning that woman who get pregnant by the right guy have seven
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700 pounds to a thousand pounds a month month with which equates to thirteen hundred dollars it is a
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paycheck in the west um b mackle sign language stop asking her wendell coven can we get a call
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and call it can we get a call in show pearl um actually whenever we figure out the audio issues
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if there's any producers watching this feel free to call in and help us honestly yeah we're trying to
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figure out yeah we're trying a lot of yeah yeah we don't we don't know how to do it um zentians to
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the woman who said her friends aren't getting child support you mean the same deadbeat men who are bad
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boys and won't make good fathers that they all shared there are good men who want kids just not
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someone else's amina dana just because you simply insist because the child is here i must double
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insist that's a silly argument zentians if you are the leader and have the authority to make final
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decisions you have the responsibility to leave lead properly so if the woman has ultimate authority
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on childbirth shouldn't she have ultimate responsibility um west m a woman who play that plays the victim
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also plays the victim in court no offense if i was her husband i would be sleeping with one eye open
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has to be walking on eggshells because he knows what would happen not my real name even though i i don't
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agree with her you have to give kudos to the woman in the corner for arguing her ideas in a room where
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everyone disagrees with her janice poor girl birth giving birth should be 50 50 but all men but men
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don't have a say one antonio 35 if there if there was more stay-at-home moms would there be less
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street gang violence um or no mass shootings if those stay-at-home moms created community schools
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carlos bomb tempo it would be nice if you read the super chats during the conversation um they would
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be in context and make sense so guys i did there's pros and cons of reading the super chats mid conversation
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and in my personal opinion the quality of the conversation is what i prioritize um i think that's
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what makes the show really different from other shows is we're not constantly interrupting the
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conversation to read the super chats we've tested a couple things we might change it in the future
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you know who knows but that's just the direction we're going right now so um thank you all for
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coming special thanks to you um we have a couple more super chats we're gonna read them i'm gonna
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let them go around and then um i'll read the last super chats at the end so um i know it's not easy
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being in a room with people that disagree and i know the comments can be harsh so i actually quite enjoy
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it yeah so i do so yeah yeah so i do appreciate you coming to a room of people that disagree with
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you so um go around any final thoughts and where people can find you on the socials then we'll do
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the last super chats at the end okay okay so i'm nana evans and you can find me on your aunties could
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never podcast there's four of us in the podcast and we discuss current affairs social issues we do
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dilemmas we're um what we would call zennials and we've lived a little bit and we all have various
00:25:29.280
different points of views on relationships so you can find me there on youtube and on instagram
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your aunties could never um yeah i just want to say thank you and this was a great show um i really
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enjoyed it uh you can find me on tick tock jesse praise underscore and i recently started a youtube
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channel um jesse praise shorts so follow me on there great um i would say first thank you pearl
00:25:53.280
for having us and thank you for always um bringing hot topics and controversial topics and uh yeah you
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can find me in uh instagram with iman underscore dg i love people it's um rants you can find me um
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at ransomments on all the platforms youtube instagram even got tick tock now i don't know i don't know
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why but it bangs in it um twitter as well and yeah madame wrap up the streets are cold fam so nice
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we had to do it twice thank you for having us up from after having us yesterday um you can find us
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at the domino effect pod i'm daily um that's domino effect pod and everything tick tock instagram we've
00:26:31.760
had sarah garvey on there he attacked a few women purdy's gonna come in there and cause a havoc
00:26:36.800
as well so if you want to see more havoc but you want to see a more hood style then yeah come jump on
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domino effect pod yeah second half the domino effect but thank you again for having us um it's
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a great conversation both yesterday and today um so yeah apart from domino effect you can find me on
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oba underscore vbe on instagram and tick tock um okay yeah thank you all for coming also guys
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this is the first time we've had our 2 000 live viewers in the chat so like like the video on your
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way out um and let me read i think was there was there just one other super chat that i missed i
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believe so you might have to refresh it okay i'm gonna refresh it real quick just to make sure yeah
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so um nah says the bible says she's a demon okay thank you thank you for that one on the way out
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okay also guys don't forget to sign up for memberships i put jess in charge of exclusive
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bet on one we would hit a hundred thousand subscribers so you can get behind the scenes
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content um that video is probably gonna come out when should we drop it friday makes saturday yeah
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when jess is back yeah when jess comes back um okay guys don't forget to like the video on your way
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