The History Of The Manosphere | Sandman @SandmanMGTOW
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Summary
In this episode of the Just Pearly Things YouTube channel, I sit down with one of the OGMGTau content creators, Sandman, to talk about the movement and the history of the movement in general.
Transcript
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what up guys welcome to the just pearly things youtube channel and welcome to the sit down
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where i bring on different guests from all walks of life um today i have one of the og
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mig tau content creators sandman here today um he has been in the space for 10 years um which is
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crazy welcome to the show sandman thanks for having me how have you not been like banned at
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this point well i've been demonetized i was demonetized originally in 2018 uh you see the
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thing is when i started doing this youtube didn't really like nobody really knew that there was
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actually a social change or cultural change so for the first three four years most mig tau content
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creators flew under the radar they were they were going after people for copyright more than anything
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else for using like two or three seconds of fair use clips they weren't going after people for things
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like hate speech it wasn't until 2017 when the adpocalypse happened when pewdiepie started to like
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make anti-semitic things or things they thought they were anti-semitic that they actually started going
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after people for hate speech pewdiepie that's like a youtuber right i don't yeah he was the biggest
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youtuber from i think 2013 till 2017 and uh if you look it up like the adpocalypse of 2017 all of a
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sudden we woke up one day and all the advertisers were deciding to pull ads off of youtube because
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uh they started finding all this hate on their like next to their ads so all overnight everyone's
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ad revenue dropped by like 90 percent until youtube started to clean up channels and at that point they
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started putting most of my videos in limited state i had to appeal every single video to get monetized
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and that was that was going for a lot of people back then so are you re-monetized now or no
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i monetized on my sandman 2 channel um if i want to get my sandman 1 channel monetized i have to like
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delete most of my video content and then i have to reapply which i'm not going to do so i just post
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new stuff on sandman 2 i don't use the mig tau term like the acronym because if i use that automatically
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the videos get demonetized so i can't use that anymore so what um i'm curious about two things i'm
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curious about first like what got you into mig tau and then i'm kind of curious like what early
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how long has this mig tau movement been even going on well there's there's a couple versions of it like
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the first version was around like 2001 2 3 and a couple guys they decided they wanted to
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re-masculinize men and they wanted to feminize women so the idea was that was the original mig tau but
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but the second version of it the iteration that you see right now is kind of uh the brainchild of
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a guy named uh barbarossa and that was around 2008 2009 he started posting content and you know there's
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a video called the post-feminist man and it's actually like really interesting because back then
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when he was putting stuff out he was the first one to do it and it was extremely revolutionary and
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then you had another guy called stardust who's now the thinking ape and he's more of an incel channel
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now blackpilled incel channel he's kind of switched over uh and then and then you saw a lot of men's
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rights people kind of jump on the bandwagon early like you had karen strawn this is around 2010 2011 12
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and then it kind of not necessarily died down but like the main content creators they stopped producing
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as much content and then that's when i came in at the end of 2013 so i discovered this and i was kind
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of going through this patch in my life where i was like well i just came out of a 10 year long
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relationship and now i wanted to um you know i wanted to basically not make the same mistake again
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fall for the wrong type of person so i was like i'm going to date again but i'm going to make sure i
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kind of figure this out and that's when i ran into stardust's videos and it wasn't i thought oh this
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is dating advice it's like no this is advice as to why you shouldn't be dating and the more i listened
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to him there was a giant six hour compilation of his content i realized wait a minute like this makes
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a lot of sense and so from there the more i learned the more i red-pilled myself the more i decided i
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gotta talk about this i have stuff to add so then i just started adding stuff in october november of 2013
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okay and what is the biggest um and i think i understand but i just want to confirm
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the i make towels men go in their own way black-pilled is when because people are starting
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to say i'm black-pilled now and i i don't even i think isn't black-pilled like it's all about looks
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and it's like over for a third of them well that's that's kind of the incels right so you get you get
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so there's different groups in the manosphere right so you get you get the migtows like this the
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second iteration like i said 2009 10 and then you also get the black-pilled incels who were once
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known as tflers or true force loneliness guys and those are the black pillar guys and then you get
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the mras which were kind of around in the late 2010s and early or let's say the early 2010s and they
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they were we were competing with me like with them the migtows were competing with them like i was i
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considered myself an mra back in like 2013 14 15 and i was a migtow too but they didn't like they
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didn't like migtow because it was kind of stealing their thunder at the time and then you also get the
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puas once migtow channels were all demonetized on in november 15th of 2018 then the pua started
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coming up and the pua started to fill the space that a lot of the migtow channels like when they
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disappeared left so you know like there's there's a lot of little subgroups right so puas mras migtows
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and pretty much incels i think i think i understand them somewhat the do you okay what do you think
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about like is it over for like do certain men have zero shot at dating at all um just based on how they
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were born yeah like i mean if like if you look at women's expectations and if you look at like what's
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going on in the sexual marketplace yeah it's pretty much over for some of them but i don't think a lot of
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younger guys like i've talked to guys in their teens and they don't even want to date they're more
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they're more just happy doing their own thing and this would have been unheard of you know 20 years
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ago that you know 14 15 16 year old guys are like i don't want to get married i don't want a girlfriend
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and it's and it's not like they're listening and watching migtow content they're like they're watching
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andrew tate videos and they're deciding this stuff early on and i think it's also partially to do with
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like lower testosterone and like we're starting to get into this culture where guys are just becoming
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more participant they're not participating in things they're just kind of becoming observers
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they don't even play video games they watch other people play video games it's like they don't want
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they don't want to put effort into anything like the culture of laziness has gotten so out of hand
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so i want dating takes work yeah yeah so i wanted to get your point of view and you're kind of going
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into it now but i just give me like a broad overview on what is going on in society like
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why can't the genders get together well the genders could never get together the thing is the reason we
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were together for the longest time was because of codependency right because women weren't allowed
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to work so they needed men for financial survival and and basically men wanted sex so there was this
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like natural trade-off right sex for resources and attention women women couldn't go and get dopamine
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rushes off their phones so they actually physically had to talk to people but if you talk to too many
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people you were you know you were considered the town bicycle and you're everyone would ride you and
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like they didn't they didn't want to do that because it was socially unacceptable so to get a steady stream
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of attention from one guy you had to settle down and marry him marry him right you weren't going to get
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that from like dozens of simps and orbiters like all over the place so now we've gotten to the point
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where that dynamic is out of whack and now you're starting to see like society break down yeah and
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so do you um so when i look at the future it looks kind of grim to me you know i'm not i'm not i'm like
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a happy person so i people think i'm like a doomer whatever maybe maybe you get this too like it just
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seems like the birth rate is going to keep going down and we're just going to get fatter and families
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are going to be okay so so the problem is the fertility rate is collapsing yeah and it's going
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to get it's going to get below one like it's already dropped below one in places like south
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korea this is going to get this is going to accelerate and uh so what eventually like every
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population will half every generation so you're looking at within like 100 to 200 years you're
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looking at the populations falling by like 95 percent right like it's wow this is like really yeah
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because i didn't think about it i didn't even think about it like that okay so like imagine
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right now you've got 50 million south koreans and imagine the next generation is half so it's going
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to be it's going to go from 50 million to 25 in like 40 50 years 60 years then from then it's going
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to go to another half so it's going to drop to 12 so the 25 is going to drop to 12 and then from 12
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it's going to drop to six and then from six it's going to drop to three so within four or five
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generations you're looking at going to population 50 million to three million so all of a sudden
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you can't run a civilization when your populations drop that fast so the thing is we marriage is a
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social technology right we use it to procreate to have relationships that build a society you know
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christianity is a social technology you know so we need a new social technology that's going to
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stabilize fertility rates and like we need a culture that like promotes like birth like there's a has to
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be a reason you have children and right now we don't have reasons to give to people that have
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children right so we're gonna have to figure that out so like it's it's not just as simple as oh
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like men and women need to get married it's like yeah we need a new like software update for the
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human species that's what we need and the way i because i kind of when i first got i don't know if
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you saw me reacting to your stuff like years ago like two three some of the stuff i would see i'd be
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like wow this is kind of harsh like why don't they want to get married um but then i started to realize
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that men can't interact with women without a legal consequence so i was like at work there's a legal
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consequence and i think you had a video that kind of broke this down you did like usually you do a
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really good job of like simplifying things um but yeah there's a there's a term there's a term it's
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basically like unless you can unless you can take a complicated thing and simplify it and explain it
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to everyone in very plain language you don't understand yeah i think you're talking and i think that's
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what a lot of that's that's why like my channel kind of took off back in the day was because a lot
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of the people who are talking about this were using complicated academic language they weren't using
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plain language that everyone could understand and i wanted to make this very much about um like main i
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wanted to make it mainstream and they were not happy about that they didn't want it to become
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mainstream so there was there were kind of arguments from them with me on that one so wait they don't
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want it to be mainstream no the original like the back in the 2010s they didn't want this knowledge
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to be mainstream they wanted to keep it kind of like especially guys like stardust they wanted to
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keep it very much uh like out of the mainstream because they wanted to be like their own little
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club their own little group and and my whole goal was to make it mainstream and they were very critical
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of this they did not like this well in a way i guess the way i see it is men are so logical
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like they just kind of look at the risks and the rewards that regardless of what we say i think men
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are going to walk away from marriage and relationships regardless like because i'm just
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like if women are bringing less than ever before and there's more risk than they're taking than ever
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before it just seems like even if like there was no manosphere none of this i think men would walk
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away regardless just maybe a little slower yeah it's just i'm just basically accelerating it right
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that's pretty much like you're you're accelerating it massively like you know the the thing is i've
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i wanted to make it mainstream and you're exactly what i think needs to happen like i need i think
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i think we need to make it mainstream faster because right now like people are sending me
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articles saying like the government is starting to freak out why aren't guys getting married like
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the capitol hill paper is starting to like ask this question right they're like what's going on it's
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like so politicians are starting like me three years ago i was like what they don't want to get
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married four years ago um but okay so what do you see because i guess the way i look at it as before
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like 100 years ago there was a patriarchy and when they gave women the right to vote like that it's
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gone right and then it seems like when women got more and more power basically we just kind of did
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bad stuff we made a justice system that oppressed men we made um a what do you call it um
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yeah family courts abortion you know you know so the three things you get you get family courts
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you get abortion and you get the pill those three things affected fertility rates in the 50s 60s that
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and that dropped us below replacement level correct correct so what do you see like moving forward you
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know i always talk about women shouldn't vote um i don't necessarily i mean i believe that to my soul
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i don't know if they'll do it do you think they're going to go towards more like egalitarian policies
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these are more patriarchal policies well we had egalitarianism like in the 90s like when i was
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growing up in the 90s like things were pretty equal like it was equal opportunities um there was
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none of this like women are oppressed you didn't see all this crazy feminism coming out everyone was
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kind of getting along so it's this period of time where male power and influence started to kind of
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decline but women's power and influence started to rise and we reached that point of equilibrium in the
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90s and it only really started maybe the last 10 15 year years that women started to like like push
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for more power over men like it you know it's that's when you started to see uh like start things start
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to switch over the other way but wouldn't you say that it started before that because i thought the
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changes in family courts happened before the 90s yeah i mean that was the 70s and the 80s yeah like
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when you when you started to see that but again that didn't creep in like you have to remember
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like these things kind of take time because the previous generations they stayed together they
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didn't necessarily get divorced it wasn't until like the mass divorce of the 1980s that you started
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to see a lot of this stuff like start to happen fast force of the 1980s that kind of makes sense of
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what i see because i i say i think there's three generate i call them like the three generations of
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shitty wives um because what i would just from interviewing so many people um that kind of makes sense i
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always say like it's it seems like the women from uh like 75 80 to like 100 seem to be like the last
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generation of women that believe in like submission that really seem to like care more about the family
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than themselves the next generation they kind of were the ones that seemed to tell their daughter like
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they might have stayed married but they they seem to tell their daughters to always have a backup plan
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don't depend on a man etc etc you have to understand like these like the older much
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older women they grew up in a time like okay imagine this you grow up you face the great
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depression and the dust bowl then you face the second world war then you face like horrible
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inflation of the 1940s so from 1929 all the way till 1950 if you were like in your teens and 20s and a kid
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you were dealing with hardships it didn't matter if you were a male or female like times sucked and then
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all of a sudden you get out into the 1950s and it's this like golden age where there's like mcdonald's
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and 57 chevys and yeah and everyone's like women like to be traditional it's like yeah you would like
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to sit in a kitchen and and like do nothing in peace and quiet because you've had like 20 years of
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turmoil yeah and so so women did that until the pill came out and then their children like you know when
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they say like the sexual revolution that was the baby boomers the children of that generation that
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kind of you know basically grew up through those hard times their children started to come out and
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they'd only experienced good times so now they went out into the world and that's the generation
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started to make the changes yeah because i call like 40 to 60 year olds women roughly i mean i know
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there's like their names for the groups but i and i'm curious if you agree i always say like the 40
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to 60 year olds were kind of it's generation so yeah yeah so like four yeah 40 to 60 40 to uh 55
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that's gen x right so and you also have to say like the manosphere stuff kind of flows in like every
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generation has its own kind of manosphere moment so the boomers if you look at the mras they're
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predominantly boomers and then if you look at migtails they're predominantly gen gen x and then if you
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look at you know let's say the second half of gen x and the first half of the millennials were migtail
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and now the zoomers that's where you're starting to see the black pill incel guys right so every
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generation is kind of taking on a different value system when it comes to the manosphere okay so it
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goes basically it started let's say the half the second half of the boomers and the first half of
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gen x that's mras the second half of the gen xers this first half of millennials that's the migtail
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sweet spot then now you're getting into the millennials uh the second half of the millennials
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and the first half of zoomers that's where the black pilled incel stuff is coming in so as every
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every generation kind of moves forward and like eventually disappears and stops being influential
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that's dominant culture that kind of takes over so do you ever because i always hear trad cons say
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we need to return to traditionalism do you see it ever coming back like is it possible no like
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it's kind of like i don't know i i watched a couple of your videos i think you were talking
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about orange pilling yourself about like bitcoin and stuff like that oh yeah i was very confused
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those whole videos but yeah yeah there's all these pills right like but the idea is you know we used
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to use gold as money and then we use now we're using paper money and then eventually we're going to
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switch over to some kind of digital money so like going back to tradition at this point is not going
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to work because a woman can pick up her phone even if she's sitting at home and she's traditional
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and she can get all the attention she wants from guys on her phone so the only way that that
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traditional trad con thing worked was based on the technology was a lot simpler back then right like
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you you can't go backwards in time like you can't uninvent all these things uh okay because that was
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kind of the red pill moment that i had was when um i started interviewing guys for the divorce
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documentary and when i started i was like what are you guys complaining about i know some good
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chicks until i kind of would meet the good not the good chicks but like the the husbands 20 years
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later you know so like it's not like my the girls i grew up with are divorced or whatever you know
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but and then i would i would realize there would be one like because i'm in london it's so diverse
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there'd be one that was muslim one that was um you know british uh one you know and so it would be
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like every single background it didn't even matter like it was the same patterns and i was like
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but i kind of had the connect that social media like we're just so influenced i guess by social
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media that it doesn't even matter where you're at in the world unless they ban phones which
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i mean we'll probably still get them you know no i mean like afghanistan they're telling they're
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like they banned phones in afghanistan but if you're a good fighter in afghanistan they'll give
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you a phone so now like you have to understand phone is like a so it's it allows the social
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the mind virus the woke mind virus to enter your brain without even realizing it okay and and that
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woke mind virus like reprograms you to basically lower your fertility rate you know to you know to
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watch like adult material to start talking to people and getting your dopamine rush on your phone
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instead of human social interactions yeah and so it's literally rewiring the brains of the entire
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species and nobody really like talks about this nobody really cares about it and wow i didn't
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even think of that it's like a it's like a virus right like you have to understand like human beings
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our social systems are are basically like computer code right they're just like data and they're you know
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information so the more we the more we influence ourselves the more we program ourselves with certain
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like technology the more we're going to adopt certain behaviors and so the only way you can get out
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get away from it is to kind of like just shut it all off but you can't because you need it for work
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and a lot of people you know you need to socialize with people so it's we're kind of stuck with it
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yeah well because i even think about my dad doesn't have any social media and he's pretty i mean he uses
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it but it's pretty limited and he he kind of hates where it's kind of funny because i'm so on it but he
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like hates where the world is going um but it's like interesting because sometimes i talk to my dad
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like some of his friends and i think like the way they talk is just like different like it's
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interesting how even social media has almost influenced the way we speak to each other and i
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can't really describe it like i i wouldn't be able to tell you like what's different i could just tell
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you it is well our parents generation it's like they're they they're very limited when it comes they
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still interact with people face to face they don't necessarily use technology they use technology to
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keep up with their friends like they'll go on facebook and they might like send their friend a message
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and like that's what that's the limited extent of their social media usage or they might use
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something like you know like skype or they might you know they still want to like facetime people
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they still want that but our generation's like i you know i i i just text people i don't talk to
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people necessarily conversations are have become like a luxury for a lot of people face-to-face
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communication so you're seeing an entire generation becoming stunted because they don't know how to
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communicate face-to-face with other people wow and i had this i had this thought
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too that it's almost like you know when you were a loser in high school you couldn't interact with
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the popular people do you know what i mean but it's almost like i put it the pot it's like a weird
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social dynamic where like people and i know it's very clear in women and dating but i was even thinking
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of like the female influencers and stuff that which you know irony i wasn't popular you know shocking
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but like um but the it's like weird it's like they even like loser people have access to like popular
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people with social interactions so it almost like i'm sorry i'm like not communicating well no no i like
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look it's like yeah i i people i do like coaching calls right so people are like you know they'll pay
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me they'll do it we'll do a coaching chat and it's like they get access to talk to me right so
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they get to pick my brain so now like it allows you to connect directly to people that you wouldn't
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have had access to before yeah and so now that also changes um like the social dynamics because
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you know if i want to meet experts in specific fields like you know i can reach out to someone
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i'm like oh i want to talk to so and so about you know and i as as an influence quote-unquote
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influencer i can ask i send them a message and i'm like hey do you want to do a podcast and they're
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like yeah sure because they they see that i'm going to get them maybe a little bit of attention
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or maybe they find what i have to say interesting and then that kind of allows me to access people
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that i want to talk to and so we now have access to all these incredible people that we didn't have
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access to before because we were all scattered throughout the world and we couldn't kind of
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communicate like you needed to be in a city like new york or london right uh to actually have access
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to the really cool people people used to have to go somewhere to meet all the cool people now you
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could just go online and have direct access to them yeah you almost have a better shot i was
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thinking you almost have a better shot at like dming a hundred celebrities with a good profile
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than going to a high-end like club or something yeah like yeah exactly but the thing is a celebrity
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is like what what people see as celebrities like older generations see them as like movie stars and
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like musicians but we don't see that anymore we don't care like oh another actress that's all
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washed up like we don't care we're like oh who you know who's on youtube and it's like the older
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generation doesn't understand this that their influencers and their their idea of fame has
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shifted and they don't they don't kind of understand that you know what was interesting um i met uh have
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you heard of the d'amelios no so they're like the biggest uh and they're probably kind of they
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they're probably kind of washed like i don't think they're as famous anymore but the daughter was
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like the biggest um tick tocker like she had like 150 million followers and it was her whole family
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um a couple years ago i had dinner with their family and it was so interesting to see how like
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these influencers were like the most sought after people but even at dinner everyone was just on their
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phones you know what i mean yeah so it's it's just interesting because it's like it even changes
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family dynamics yeah i mean like people are just stuck on their phones all the time now and it's
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like you know like you know i remember i don't know it was like five years ago uh my brother was
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getting married and my cousins came from europe and my mother was freaking out at everybody she's
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like you don't want to talk to anyone you're on your phones all the it's and like literally there
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was this huge blow up because everyone was on technology but her and she felt kind of like
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isolated because everyone was there but they weren't talking to her right so
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so she doesn't understand this she's like everyone's crazy i'm like no the world has changed
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like you have to stay with the program right like and and she couldn't she couldn't understand that
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right she seems so sweet it's like oh this poor woman it's like what the hell's going on
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um well yeah it's but but the thing is like it's the world changes and people just they don't they
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don't keep up with it right like and and then all of a sudden they're like i have to learn all this
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internet stuff and now the world is imposing all of all the stuff that it's it wants onto her and
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she's not happy about that so oh yeah but yeah like you were saying go ahead no go ahead yeah
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these influencers that you met like so you like you're saying that they were just they didn't even
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want to chat with each other or anyone in the room they were just kind of busy dealing with their
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social media because they were probably getting like inundated by stuff well and i was even
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thinking back in high school um because i'm i'm 26 i'm almost 27 i was thinking about like going
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to like a party or it was like bonfires when i was in high school and like people would take a
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couple pictures for facebook and that was like it but i was thinking about how even like parties or if
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you go to a get together now it's like these bitches have like photo shoots at the door i'm like
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how many pictures do we you know what i mean and it's like you can't do anything without being recorded
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and i remember thinking this um even before like i was on youtube or whatever and like you know people
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do it for different reasons but like um i was just thinking how you used to be able to like hang
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out with your friends and just do stuff but like there wasn't it almost like changes the interaction
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of people because now there's always someone recording yeah it like a good example is like um
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when i was 25 26 i went to the grand canyon and i have photos from the grand canyon of the crowds and
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there were like maybe 20 people in a photo and like all like standing watching looking at the view
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and then i have videos that i filmed like 10 11 years later and literally there's like a thousand
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people there and everyone's taking a selfie and i'm like i was there taking photos on film on a film
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camera and because that's i love photography that's something i've been involved in like 30 years
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since high school so now everyone is like doing the stuff that i was doing like 20 or 30 years ago and
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they're all like trying to like get attention for it and post it online and you know it's and you
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know 20 or 30 years ago i was into star trek and everyone hated star trek like everyone's like this
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is nerdy nobody and now everyone's like i'm like what are you doing so the culture is literally like
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20 30 years behind and it's and then when it gets to the thing uh that that i was doing like 10 20
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years ago it just like it completely destroys it it changes it right so it's kind of kind of
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interesting so right now i see going forward i see fertility rates collapsing i see uh like the
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sex is just refusing to talk to each other people just sitting on their phones completely atomizing
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from one another no longer communicating with one another the ability for humans to interact is going
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to decline rapidly so the humans can that can still communicate with each other are going to have
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a massive advantage compared to everybody else and right now i like i don't know if you're like
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seeing on youtube but there are so many new channels there's so many influencers like everyone's just
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flooding into the space and you know even with like twitter everybody wants attention because we're like
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an attention economy and now everyone wants like as many followers as possible they want to make a
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living off of it they want to they want to get like as much clout as they can and so and i i see that
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kind of changing into something else in the next five to ten years so like what's the next thing like
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what's where are we heading after this like crazy social media thing and i think what's going to
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happen is like people are going to start using ai to create their online profiles and personalities
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and they're going to start like that's how they're going to socialize with the world so you know we're
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going to have avatars we're going to have like like avatars that speak and look different than we do
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and we're going to create as many of them as we can and compete with each other i think that's what's
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coming in the next five to ten years you think five oh that's that kind of scares me oh my god well
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there's already guys out there who are creating like uh ai girlfriends and ai personalities and
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instagram influencers posting the pictures and collecting money from it so they're not even
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yeah you're seeing that so that's just going to accelerate so what do you think will happen like
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to influencers you think they'll go away because they have the ai instead well influencers will become
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like for example if i wanted to create a profile if i wanted to create like some guy that looked like
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a chad and i could put that up and i could i could basically talk and it would be like this
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like like it would be that chad you know that crazy chad meme that they use but that guy just
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talking and then everyone would be like oh my god that's the chad guy talking it's like but that's a
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complete construct and i think people will follow avatars they're not going to follow individuals so
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if you're an influencer now you'll have to like you could create other influencers and then promote
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them and then you could have like a bunch of influencers that you control and they'll all say
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different things and you could get ai to like write the scripts for each one of them and like generate the
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videos and the attention will be even more concentrated to fewer and fewer hands i think
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that's where we're heading um what so do you is there any way to like stop this revolution because
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like when i'm hearing you talk this sounds really depressing but what's so depressing about it like
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well and i've kind of i've kind of had the same like thoughts recently where i'm like oh shit birth
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rate well because i'm like the birth rate collapsing is kind of depressing you know i mean like so what we
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need to do we need to find alternative solutions so like i've been looking at this uh there's a
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there's a couple you could talk to uh malcolm and simone collins okay they're uh they're basically
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living in pennsylvania and they've they've i think they've got like three kids right now they want to
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have like 10 or 15 kids and um what they're doing is they're select genetically selecting their embryos
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they've created all these embryos and they're selecting which kids they're gonna like have based on the
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qualities and traits of the embryo they're saying oh the embryo has these genes they're so they're
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sequencing the genes of the children that are unborn and deciding which children to have so you've got
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like hundreds of embryos they've all been implanted and then you're like picking which ones to have to
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give birth to and so their their whole thing is like they're selectively they're selecting genes
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they're basically doing in eugenics to some extent so this is the future people are going to start
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selecting um you know they're going to start selecting which children they're going to they're going to
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breed and which children they're going to have and they're also talking about building a culture
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that's going to foster reproduction so this is kind of the thing we're working on and like it
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doesn't matter what your culture is there's going to be multiple cultures that all compete with one
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another as long as you start reproducing like my whole thing would be like i if i was going to
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reproduce like when i first got into minktown my first thing was like okay like i can't be in a
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relationship again so how would i reproduce and i'm like well i would hire a gestational surrogate i would buy
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eggs from one woman i would you know basically hire a lab fertilize those eggs implant them into a
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surrogate mother and then nine months later i have a child delivered to me and so that's how i would
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reproduce i would have children through surrogacy uh but now i'm kind of leaning towards more like
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if we allow it cloning because i think like if you clone yourself then all of a sudden you can you can
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basically have you can raise yourself in a sense so there's this like uh continuity of love you
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basically like i think cloning would appeal to a lot more people because people are becoming
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increasingly narcissistic so cloning would kind of like feed into that it's like oh look it's mini me
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right like you can you know you can just kind of raise a younger version of yourself and i like people
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are gonna be like cloning is immoral and it's like it's against god and blah blah blah it's like
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yeah but no one's having children i would rather there be a bunch of clones than no next generation
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right right so like yeah i i kind of like cloning because it's like having a younger brother and also
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having a son at the same time because it's technically like your younger twin brother
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or younger twin sister see i hear what you're saying but it kind of makes myself like i kind
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of feel sick thinking about that i don't know i don't know i'm just like a catholic so i'm like
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i i understand where you're like there's no other alternatives if people aren't having kids
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but well catholics like even most catholics are not like the population of catholics is falling
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right everyone this is it's not it's not it's not a religious thing or it's it's this social mind
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virus that's entering our heads and it's it's getting us to become more like selfish and self-centered
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and we're not reproducing so unless like the only way to really the only way it kind of ends is with
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a complete civilizational population collapse and then eventually the the systems that make us this way
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collapse and then we can't rely on them anymore it's like they're saying like people who live in
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cities they're moving from the countryside into the cities this countryside is depopulating
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eventually the cities are going to collapse because there won't be anyone producing food on the outside
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and the people in the cities are going to have to migrate back to the country or they're going to
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start because there won't be anyone doing the work then we have ai coming in and if ai starts to do
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all the work of the farmers and the people in the countryside then that's just going to get then the
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population collapse in the end is going to get even worse so because like my my biggest
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fear right now is ai starting to do the thinking for us right so people are going to get so lazy
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like if young kids don't want to play video games they would just watch somebody play video games
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now they don't want to write their own essays they get chat gpt to write their essays like soon
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enough it's going to be like no one's going to want to do anything well and no one like no so wouldn't
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that like so because the way i think about that i think of sewing right like people used to sew their
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own clothes now they're like mass produced but if the people like we didn't have enough people to fill
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the jobs that like mass produced the clothes but no one knows how to sew wouldn't that like be a
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problem well they'll just they'll eventually just get 3d printing to click create the clothes right so
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you know program the computer it'll print the clothes and that'll be it like you know so what you know
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like my my um my cousin she's uh she's a fashion professor and her students come in and she's telling
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me they're like first year second year fashion students they don't know how to sew and they're they're
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students learning how to become fashion designers and she asked them like why are you here they're
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like oh i thought it was cool to do this it's like but you don't have any skills you don't know
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how to do anything and it's this lack of creativity in our society people are not creative anymore like
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the music the films like the movie industry is like dying because there's no good script writers
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anymore right so like people are like and this is going to get worse as ai starts to do the work
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like it's gonna get brutal like innovation is completely stopped like i don't want to black
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pill you but it's just like i'm seeing this happening on multiple fronts and i'm like like
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you know i talk to young guys i'm like here do a workout and they're like this is hard i go yeah
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this is the warm-up it's like this isn't even the workout yet well they don't go ahead no yeah like
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i see that so it's making me kind of sad because i don't even disagree with you like because i had
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this realization with marriage it's really i don't know it's funny because now i'm on the other side
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of realizing that marriage is dead right and this is a sad realization to someone who grew up with
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married parents you know and like and i'm not saying no one will get married but once you like
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really start looking at the predictive numbers you're like wow this is bad and it's funny because
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i see people on the other end of that before where they're still coping i had that and
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yeah it's like not not good um but but it's like when i look at the numbers i'm like the birth rates
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are declining none of us know how to do anything i could absolutely see what you're saying happen
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yeah well i'm just saying it's going to accelerate as people stop thinking because it's like okay give
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you an example like i used to do when i would travel back in 20 years ago there was no gps right
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like there was no you didn't pull out your phone type in where you wanted to go and your phone would
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tell you how to get there but back then it was like okay i need to get a map and i need to like
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figure out where i am so i have to read the street signs and then i had to like figure out where i
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wanted to go or like if i got lost i'd have to go to the gas station and ask somebody how to get to
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the next part of my journey now everything's automatic you don't need like you needed a navigator
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sitting in the car with you like to get to do a road trip it was crazy and now so everything is done
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for you but that's good because you can do you could do a lot more you could travel more on the
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road you could do more stuff that's fine but people don't they still do the same amount of
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stuff they were doing before but now the technology is thinking for them so just imagine like more of
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more technology doing more of the thinking for us and eventually it's just going to be like
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everything will be done for us and people won't have to do anything and then that's when people get
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an existential crisis right they get depressed because they're like they feel useless because
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everything's being done for them and they don't know why they feel that way right they don't they
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don't have any skills everything's being done for them and now they're depressed and all they do is
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reach for like fattening foods and that's the world we're heading into like you can you can kind of see
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that with the what happened with covid like like around here like older people they still maintain
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their weight for the most part but younger people they like balloon they gain like 30 40 50 pounds
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and you're kind of like well why are the younger people because the younger people are using technology
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they're sitting at home more they're not they're not interacting with anyone else and that's why
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they kind of gained all that weight do you see um like i'm just thinking in terms of sports and like
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other i guess creative activities do you like um when i think of volleyball like 20 years ago to now
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i'm just talking about what i know it's progressed do you think that you're going to see a regression
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in the arts too like sports well you're already okay like let's let's take music for example like
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how many really really like amazing artists have we seen in the last like 10 or 20 years like compared
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to the 80s and 90s like we're not seeing that many artists like films films peaked out in the 90s and
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early 2000s and that was it like now like these studios are like look at disney it's like failing
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right like because the quality of the writing is getting so bad um so that's that's a progression
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that's like getting worse and worse entertainment let's go ahead so do you think the demand for
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creativity will increase then uh there the demand is always there it's just there's not enough people
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meeting the supply like there's not enough people producing the content right now or the or they're
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not producing high quality content so you know that's that's what's really happening like you're not
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seeing like people want good content they want to be entertained but if something is boring they're
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not going to watch it right right well i'm just wondering because they say ai and um technology
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kills creativity but i'm wondering if you'll ever see like a demand for it come back because then what
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what do you think then people would learn how to like write better and do all that stuff because
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like no one else can well here i'll give an example like i write every day for the last 10 years i've
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written the equivalent of six pages a day so if you took everything i wrote which i have all saved in
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text files it's like literally the equivalent of like 110 or 20 like 200 page books so like it's just
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a lot of written material right that's a lot of stuff and then if somebody you know people a couple
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years ago started copying my material they would take my video they would put it into um like voice
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to text and it would copy everything i i i said and then they would put it into another voice synthesizer
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and then it would just repeat everything that that i typed up in another voice and then they would
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upload it and they would monetize it and they would collect money off of my content and i complained
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to youtube and youtube did nothing about it they're like well you have to prove that this is your video
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it's like these are my words like they're literally just taking my words and repackaging them
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so basically the creatives are gonna get robbed that's what's happening right because it's like imagine
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if i can just go through my entire back catalog of 3 000 videos and just copy someone's 3 000 videos
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and in another voice add an avatar saying it so what what incentive do i have to create a content
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if i'm just going to get robbed every time i don't have an incentive i can't make money because
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everyone's stealing my content and making the money off of it well is there anything like um
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okay because you basically you can't stop technology right no so because that's what i always hear like
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trad cons we need to go back we need to go back and you can't go back um like could you do you
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think countries like afghanistan will be able to successfully keep technology away from the general
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population no because they're already giving their like military heroes phones once you give them a
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phone it's over because now they have the internet and once they get the internet the mind virus gets
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in and their culture starts to fall apart so it's it's insidious it changes you very slowly you don't
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even realize it okay so so so so the next step so like we're let's say we're at like 1.3 1.4
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replacement fertility so the next thing that's coming is going people are like oh artificial wombs and
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sex bots it's like well like i think that i think that like augmented reality like which like apple
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hololens is coming out next year so imagine you put on your hololens and now there's like a stripper
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dancing in in your bedroom if you're like a teenage boy and you're like oh like i can see this
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you know interactive woman they're like dancing around like so that's going to like why would
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you have a relationship when you can have a different like right like generated stripper in
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your headset every day and then imagine now sex bots imagine uh like you know i've basically been
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working on something like what i call the virtual sex system which allows you to have sex remotely with
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another person through like a doll and through technology and like all that kind of stuff so
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that's going to change things even further because now people will be like you know i can just pay to
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have an encounter with someone directly through the internet why would i go out and go to a restaurant
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why would i you know why would i all this stuff so you're gonna get you're gonna start to see like
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sex will become more convenient and the sexual technologies are gonna like get more complex and
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that's gonna break down relationships even further and family formation and so that then that will get
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us below one fertility so that's gonna so let's say every following generation is 40 percent the size
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of the previous one and as technology gets better it's gonna get smaller and smaller going forward
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okay so basically the the trad cons like not like all of their return to tradition is like a cope
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there's nothing that can be done really okay so the best example of this that i kind of read into
00:43:32.860
was what happened when rome was collapsing so you had people who believed in like the the gods in
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their temples that you know like the the main religion that was the religions that were the the most
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prevalent at the time and as rome started to collapse a lot of people the the trad cons of their day they
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went back to things called mystery cults that was like christianity what christianity is today with
00:43:54.620
the mystery cults back in ancient rome but the group that survived were the people who went further
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into the future they went into christianity they adopted this new social technology of christianity
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and they were the ones they were able to reproduce and they were able to like move forward christianity
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was the new social technology at the time so right now you know the trad cons are the mystery cults
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the the woke feminist leftists are the mainstream and now we've got to move forward into something else
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we have to have this new thing that we can kind of plug into that's going to allow us to
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reproduce out reproduce those other groups and move into the future okay so like i'm not being
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depressing i'm trying to like say we have to evolve we have to change we have to find something new
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and and the way you see that happening is loaning um and basically it's going to be a number of
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different strategies so like like right now like the only two groups that are out reproducing everybody
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right now are like uh orthodox jews and the um the amish oh really i was gonna say i thought africa
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well africa is still out reproducing but africa's yeah yes it's it the woke mind virus is is getting
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into africa and as yeah as a society makes as a family makes over five thousand dollars a year
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that's when fertility starts to collapse so the moment african prosperity rises and the incomes
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go up that's when the that's when the fertility rates are going to crash so give you a good example
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i work with the jamaican community and i do a lot of jamaican weddings and like i work with musicians
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from jamaica and their fertility rate is below replacement too so and they're very traditional
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as a society they're like you know the baptist churches that they they go to and all and even
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they're below replacement so everything is falling it doesn't matter it's because they're prosperous
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because they have money once you have money you're like well i don't i have a good life now why do i
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need to have these children i don't need them to work on the farm i don't you know i don't live on a farm
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anymore so it's like all that you know all that kind of stuff it's funny when you're talking i can
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like hear your videos sometimes like i could like hear the do you use a voice over thing or no i just i
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just talk kind of weird and just to kind of throw people off but like my normal voice people are like
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i want i want you to do all your videos and i was like no because i script everything and then when
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i read it i read it in a certain way so that like i can edit it all together yeah i'll just hear like
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bits of like your your video voice i'm like oh there it is so is your is your prediction that the
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amish won't survive either because they're like the the people in in rome that that we're saying to
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stay the old way well okay okay the amish are like a community within a community so like the
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amish are you know if you ever went to like amish country in pennsylvania and stuff yeah so you see
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the like most of them they don't believe in electricity but they have the natural gas tanks
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next to their house so there are still like people working in gas fields that are providing them the
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gas right if if the amish were just there and there was no one else around them they would have to
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have a military they would have to have a government they would have to defend themselves
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but they're relying on the outside culture to protect them so once that outside culture starts
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to fall apart and disappear they're on their own they're going to have to change and they're going
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to have to become more complicated and when they do that they're going to lose their like their amish
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qualities that they have because they're going to have to evolve because oh so it's if you don't
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evolve then you don't have the technology so you can't compete as a civilization no and if you if
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you evolve then you start to become like you start to have urbanize you start to become more and then
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eventually once that happens your fertility rates collapse so you know so like that's why like people
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like do you think we've ever had technology like this before and we just like maybe the civilization
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collapsed or something well it's not about the technology it's about like urbanization and it's
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about like rome ancient rome collapse the fertility rates collapse there why did they collapse because
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people were prosperous like once we become affluent and once we have wealth and of a certain level and
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comforts of a certain level we just start getting lazy so what we have to do is we always have to
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keep challenging ourselves but it's hard to challenge yourself when everything is more becoming more and
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more convenient you have to willingly take on suffering and you have to willingly sacrifice for the future
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oh my gosh i had this thought okay i had this thought about how like it's almost like when you
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cook versus when you order food like cooking almost gives you like a better mental and i can't describe
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it but it like it makes you like mentally better almost like it makes you more well you have to be
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disciplined right like you have to you have to pay attention to like the temperature you have to pay
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attention to like the procedure and you have to like you're like i'm bored of this i have to cook
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something like i i've been dealing with like um like health issues that i've had to deal with and
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i've had to eat a very regimented keto diet for the last five or six years so that means i don't eat
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sugar i don't eat carbs all i eat is like fats and protein and i eat like leafy greens meat uh olive oil
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and i have to do that every day to consistently keep my health at a good place and so when i cheat
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i get almost like problems like within the next few days so i have to like be very very regimented and
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when people see how i eat they're like i can't eat like this i'm like yeah because it takes discipline
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and that's the suffering i'm talking about you have to push put yourself through something like hard
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to actually suffer to get to the to something better on the other side and so you know like when i cut
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out sugar i was shaking for like a month i had like sugar withdrawals like carb and sugar withdrawals
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and that's what a cocaine addict would go through once they cut out you know not cocaine like whatever
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drug addict would cut out their drugs that's how you feel with sugar as a as an addiction so i've
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been trying for this like hits home i've been trying for years years that's like the one i'm addicted
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you've been trying to get on a keto diet or not just you know but just um maybe not be so addicted
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to sugar that's like my i love dessert that's like my thing but it's not just the sugar in
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in like uh like in like sweets but it's also sugar in uh bread like bread is sugar tomatoes are sugar
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like like any fruit is sugar all of that like i had to cut all of that out so you know my problem
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was like i'm losing too much weight how do i keep the weight on like i was i was like scared that i was
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gonna like die of like malnutrition and like what too much weight loss so i had to like i pumped up
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olive oil and if like ancient societies they would eat a lot of oil olive oil like the greeks and the
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romans and that's what their diet was based on and that's why one of the reasons they were so healthy
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is because they would not eat carbs they would eat fat and fat basically our body can run on fat or it
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can run on carbs it's like the difference between like sugar is kind of like regular gas and like
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premium gas would be like fat do you um so do you think there's like are you of the thought
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because i'm careful with my words but basically there's like a thought on youtube and among
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conservatives that there's like elites behind everything that this is their plan to like
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depopulate the earth do you think that's something that happens naturally or it's like an agenda
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well look i don't know if you've ever heard of the most utopia experiments no have you kind of
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run into that before no no i don't know it okay so there's a social scientist uh dr calhoun back in
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the 19 i think it was like 40s 50s 60s he created these rat and mouse utopia experiments where he put
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these mice and rats into this like environment that he built and he would put like they had all the
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unlimited food they could eat they had all the water and they had as much space as they wanted in
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there and what happened was the populations boomed at first and they were all kind of like they were
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like the urban mice they were given like the easy life and the population exploded at first and then
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once like things got too easy they started becoming like abusive towards one another and like all the
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same problems we're seeing in our society right now is pretty much what's happening in urban cities
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happen to these mice in the calhoun experiments and so the elites they're saying some people are saying
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the elites decided that they were going to shove everyone into cities so that they could kind of
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reduce the population but the problem is i think if the elites really plan this it makes sense because
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if ai starts to replace humans and does all the work that we don't need 80 or 90 percent of the
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population because 80 like the world will get on the work will get done by technology robots and ai
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will do the work and you won't need this massive population and we'll be able to save all their
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resources for coming generations so i i see this as a as a net positive but in the meantime it means the
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economies are going to shrink it means that there's going to be a lot of suffering when it comes to
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um you know deflation like the population is going to deflate economy is going to deflate
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why that's why i like bitcoin why why do you see less people as a positive when i when i kind of
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went on this journey of like red pilling one of the first things that i kind of red pilled myself on
00:53:05.900
was like peak oil and like i i as a child i went to like cuba and i saw what happened when they
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they ran they didn't have their oil supply i went to former yugoslavia back when in the 90s when they
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didn't have oil and i saw what happened to an economy that didn't have enough energy and how
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people were hungry and societies were falling apart and like people are like oh we're never going to
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run out of oil i'm like yeah but the oil is getting more and more expensive so eventually it
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gets the point where the average person can't afford the oil price anymore they can't afford to drive
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so and then the quality of life starts to go down and the only way to kind of keep the quality of
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life up is to keep the supply there for everyone and if you have a bigger growing population you're
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going to start running out of energy you're going to start running out of basic materials topsoil
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like water aquifers you basically think that if if the population gets bigger and bigger and bigger
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then we're going to be limited on resources and even if we or the resources will become so expensive
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that it's a lower quality of life yeah it's it's like okay give me an example back in the early 20th
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century you could spend one barrel of oil drill a hole in texas in the ground and you could get 100
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barrels back so that's your energy return on energy invested now like if you go to the tar sands your
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energy return on energy investment is like four to one five to one so you got to put one barrel in to
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get four or five back once it drops to a certain point like once it drops you put one barrel in to get
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one barrel back then there's no point in getting the oil out of the ground anymore because it's too
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expensive right back in the day we used to just drill holes in pennsylvania and ohio and oil would
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bubble up out of the ground now we have to build giant platforms in the gulf of mexico right and like
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deal with hurricanes and things to get like oil it's deeper and more expensive to pull out of the
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ground so it just gets more and more progressively expensive until we start to run out of these things
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entirely and it's not oil is not just about driving like your car is made of plastic that's
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oil your your toothbrush is made of oil your computer is plastic everything plastic around you
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all of the hydrocarbon energy and materials are being fed like in through industrialization like
00:55:15.340
your shirt if you're wearing like any acrylic mixed shirt or clothing that's made of oil everything's
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made of oil so you know food your food is transported with trucks that are oil you know pesticides
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and you know like uh fertilizers are made with natural gas right so like everything is made of
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fossil fuels even renewables are made of fossil fuels so the only things that are truly renewable
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would be things like hydropower and you know those things only make up like 5 10 15 percent of the energy
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so if we reduce the population by like 80 or 90 percent then we can have a sustainable civilization
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but people go ahead are you religious you're not religious right um i would consider like i used to
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be very orthodox christian i used to i used to go to church every sunday well and it's it's funny
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because i actually hate when people ask me this in interviews but usually it's like a debate but um
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i'm more curious because um i don't know this it's this is so anti like you know i'm catholic that
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it's like making my i don't know this world is like that you're describing is so i don't know
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like it's giving me like the ick well like this stuff is happening like you can't you can't stop
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this i know right like but you have to understand like um like i like i also do work as a wedding
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photographer and videographer so i go i do a lot of you know i do bar mitzvahs too and so i go and i
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i i go to like temples and shoals is really shoals and i also go to like catholic churches orthodox
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churches i'm shooting another wedding tomorrow like southern baptist jamaica it's like i see
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like there is in in religion there is like i don't know how to really describe it but i feel
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like a sort of spiritual energy when i enter a church or a temple and it like i've had what
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people would consider religious experiences and so like i i definitely think that something is going
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on like i don't know i can't i can't really describe like is it god is it the holy spirit
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like what what is there's this energy that i feel and um like i definitely think it's there and it
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exists and i've had experiences that you know like i said people would be like oh that's a religious
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experience you you experience this i'm like yeah but you're telling me what i experienced based on
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your perspective you're not open to it and saying i don't know what this is i'm going to keep an open
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mind until i figure out what it is so i don't know why you're asking about the religious thing or
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just kind of you you you're you just kind of want to stay with tradition or you're just kind of
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i don't know sorry i don't know um i'm more i guess curious like like do you do you think that's
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i guess there's no stopping it i just wonder if there's gonna be it seems like whenever like we
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play god as a society like there just seems to be complications that come with it you know what i
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mean so like when we're messing with like reproduction when we're like um what you were describing like
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the eugenics like picking the embryos or whatever but why wouldn't you do that like why wouldn't you
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right now i don't know i don't know okay so like malcolm and simone malcolm and simone what they did
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was they took they took her eggs out when she was in her early to mid-20s she's now in her mid-30s
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so they have all these young eggs that were taken out at a young age and then they fertilized them and
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they kept them and now they're so the egg so like imagine you going in and getting uh your eggs
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extracted now and putting into storage for later so you could have healthier children and you could
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pay a surrogate so you wouldn't even have to carry the child yourself you you could pay for a nanny and
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then the nanny you wouldn't have to raise your child yourself you could afford that too so like
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technically you could you could out reproduce everybody else but elon musk is doing this now
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elon musk strategy is like have as many babies as possible but that's not the point the point is not
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to have 20 children because the the real issue is will those 20 children have children of their
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own and if the woke mind virus gets to those children then they won't reproduce so it's not
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just about you reproducing it's about making sure that the generation after you also reproduces that
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there is like a um like a constant um like continuity that you know so there's a culture that these
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children kind of fit into that yeah that promotes reproduction yeah so so elon musk having all these kids
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it's like even one of his children became transgender and like he's i think that's one of the motivators
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for him to buy like twitter and make it x right because he saw that that it was affecting his own
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children and he's like i gotta do something about this yeah giving me a lot to think about this
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interview yeah there's a lot going on it's it's really fascinating so that's why like i reached
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out to malcolm and simone and like yeah like we we just threw these crazy ideas out there and they
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want they want we want as many crazy ideas as possible because eventually one of the crazy ideas is
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going to work and it's gonna like um there's a show called foundation and in the show the emperor
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of the galaxy there he's a clone so every generation there's a new clone that kind of takes power and
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he's being raised by a mother who's um an android and so like that's when i got the idea for like the
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cloning thing i was like wait a minute this actually works like if you if you if you raise your younger
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if you raise your younger version and it and then that version takes over for you then that's
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actually a pretty good thing because there's a continuity there's a culture you're building
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something with continuity yeah imagine we could clone clone like trump or like i'm a well imagine
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i'm a trump fan imagine imagine that imagine you're the clone number 20 so there's been 20 versions of
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you before so like and you can go back and and you can look at all the versions before and see what
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they accomplished and then be like wow like clone number five i can't believe all the crazy stuff she
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did that's incredible right and so you're gonna like remember if you have children within three
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three generations the children won't even know who their great grandparents were because they never met
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them right but if you have 20 generations of clones 20 generations into the future you're the clone is
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still going to look back 20 generations back and see what the clones did so that's there's this
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continuity and connection to the past right so and you'd be like and then you're also going to feel
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like oh fuck like if i don't do something going forward like with my life then i let all these other
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clones down right so there's there's more pressure on you like people are cloning their pets right now
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like um there's a couple documentaries i saw online in south korea like people are ordering animals and
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they're like they're getting the copy sent to them like you know a few months later so it's kind of
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really interesting i have to i'm sorry you've given me so many ideas i'm like i have to like
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think about everything you said you know i'm an idea factory right like i'm just trying to i'm trying
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to i try to find all these things and i'm trying to figure out how we can kind of move forward as a
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society civilization do you do debates ever uh i don't do them i'd be open to them i don't have
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an issue we want to start getting panels together soon and i just think it would be so interesting
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to see you on with like a trad con or something just because you guys are so i don't want to say
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opposite but like imagine you a trad con and like a liberal a good combo you see the thing is people
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people kind of fall into silos like they get into this like entire worldview and they sit in the
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worldview and they refuse to like change their point of view like i'll give you like one good thing
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about jordan peterson is he's he's a trad con for the most part but once in a while he like breaks
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out of it and he starts to think about things and he's like oh no like what are we going to do like
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he was talking about sex robots and ai so like ai girlfriends are now becoming popular and then he's
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like well what happens in 10 years or 5 to 10 years when ai girlfriends and sex robots are combined
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what's that going to do to the society i'm like oh you that's going to collapse fertility rates below one
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like that's going to destroy marriage permanently so we have to figure something new out and he's
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like i don't know what what that means i go you know what it means it means that traditionalism is
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over it means that like everything is about to change the human race needs to evolve yeah and it's
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scary even um even when i don't know if you saw i've been in like a twitter war with the daily wire
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i don't know if you've seen it they've been like yeah i like people were mentioning that to me
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before like a couple people i talked to about uh going on with you today they're like oh just be
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careful there's like this like thing going on with the daily wire and something about nick fuentes i
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can't remember what something something was going on oh that was like almost a year i did not realize
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no no they're just like they're just like you better be careful and i'm like come on like i'm like
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like like i've talked to all kinds of people like like it's i don't really care like whatever i'm
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pretty easy going no i meant um but i was debating because i just had this thought that
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it's kind of irresponsible to tell men to get married young with the criminal justice system
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being the way it is um and like the divorce laws and like having kids like not that men like
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shouldn't do it but i just think you kind of got to tell them what they're signing up for and i don't
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think most young men are really aware um at least that's what i gather when i i interview these guys
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that are like ruined in divorces they didn't really know what they're signing up for and so i was kind
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of so go ahead i i think it's kind of clear this like the idea of young guys getting married like
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i've been i promoted the idea that young guys should date and have long-term relationships
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you know like do that even even if you're going your own way do that like when you're in your early
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to mid-20s that's a good time to do it you know because you know women are the most attractive
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if they like you for who you are when they're like 20 25 then odds are they're attracted to you
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they're not with you because of any other reason that's a good time to do it but young guys their
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testosterone is falling so quickly their testosterone rates are dropping by two and a half three percent
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a year so they don't even have the the desire to have sex anymore right and people are like
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why like what's wrong with these young people like why don't they want to have relationships it's
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like because their testosterone is collapsing and they're not physically strong and that's from the
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lack of doing like hard stuff well it's a combination of things it's like yeah it's it's a it's a lack of
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physical labor but it's also the foods that we eat the plastics and the water the the birth control
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pills and the and the water supply the you know all this stuff and it's it this drop in testosterone
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is accelerating so it's it's bad like you know like the average 20 year old now has the testosterone
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of a 60 year old like 40 years ago so like by the time they turn 40 they're going to be like
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80 year olds like with testosterone if not lower so and infertility is getting going up and up so
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eventually the only way humans will be able to reproduce is going to be through artificial
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technology so having sex and reproducing will not be viable if the sperm counts keep falling so we're
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going to have to use technology to reproduce one way or another if we want to maintain our like
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industrialized way of life well and there was there were studies that said like the back in the day
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like in hall i was i think holland or the netherlands they they they interviewed uh military
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aged men and they they checked their sperm counts back in the 1950s and they found that the men who
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watched television more had lower sperm counts so it's either they were they were sedentary they
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weren't doing as much physically so their sperm counts were like half of what the other men's
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sperm counts were so yeah a lot of it is just lack of physical activity and also like i know people now in
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their 30s and 40s that have cancer that are dying of cancer and they're like this would have been
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unheard of 20 or 30 years ago but it's people are just eating really bad food and they're becoming
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extremely uh they're they're living extremely sedentary lifestyles they're walking they're
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exercising they're not doing anything yeah it's like like and this is before covid so you know people
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are like oh it's a conspiracy with co it's like no this is happening before that i was gonna say
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about jordan peterson though um yeah i i was i kind of my conclusion which is a little different
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than yours was that we really aren't gonna see marriage rates come back until you switch the laws
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now i'm thinking that wouldn't even fix anything no because people are getting their their their
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attention and their dopamine like from from porn and from technology like like uh what do you call it
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like their phones right so like there's a there's a interesting um psychologist sam vaknan uh he's one
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of the foremost authorities on narcissism and he says like he's like he'd sit there in an airport and
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he'd see this like hot couple in their 20s and they're sitting there and they're not even talking
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to each other they're just on their phones like to them they don't even exist to each other they're
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just they're they're getting more dopamine from their phones than they are from each other and if
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that's if that's the peak of attractiveness and sexual beauty and they're like more interested in their
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phones than each other at that age it's like we can't out compete that like the dopamine you get
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from the phone is way more than you can get from a relationship so and that's just gonna like atomize
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society and people are gonna like separate more and more so marriages can't survive when everyone's
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on their phone it just doesn't work and then but even the people that put their phones away the
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issues their kids are still growing up in this society yeah like i mean yeah i grew up before like
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before the internet and when the internet came in like you know i was early generations of adopters
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and i always use the internet to like communicate with people and then connect to them in the real
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world these younger people they don't see the real world is real the internet is more real than the real
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world to them so they live their primary existence in cyberspace and then their secondary existence is in
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the real world so it's kind of hard to like build relationships when all of your relationships
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your primary relationships are online right like how how do you you can't like you're stuck you're
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you're like world is online and you're like yeah that's your world so how do you have a marriage
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on the internet unless you marry someone on the internet like maybe you have an internet marriage
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maybe that's something you should try like i i met a guy that did that he was married and he didn't
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meet her ever yeah so let me let me let me propose an internet marriage between you and me like we'll have a
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an online wedding ceremony you're kind of depressed we'll walk down the virtual aisle how's that you
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know you have all the guests are sitting there virtually like and ever that's that's that's the
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whole way it'd probably be a big turnout to be honest oh it would be the first internet wedding in the
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world right like wow i'm like and our goal would never to be to never meet but only have an online
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relationship and that would be our entire marriage we would we could have children virtually through you
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know we could have like a like a ai child that would basically like need attention the the eugenics
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people or whatever the they they say i have good stock i don't really know what it means but they're
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like that crowd is like pearls like good stock good like you know you could get you could get behind a
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i guess horsey cow and plow the fields right that's what they mean right no i said i think they have
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like something about red hair being like good to them i i don't get it it's not my thing but i guess
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they like the redheads yeah i mean i love i love the criticisms that are like levied against you
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people are like oh like pearl like she's just not the traditional beauty i'm like like who cares like
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that's your criticism like that she doesn't live up well yeah i was like i was trying to be hotter
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like i can't help no but the thing is your your appeal your appeal is the fact that like you know
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there's all these things like you're probably seeing these memes on twitter and they're like
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oh like the mid the guys want the the woman that's the mid they don't want the super high attractive
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super high attractive woman they want the average woman and i think that's what that's that appeal is
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what has led to a lot of your success because you you're approachable right like guys who see these
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like super hot hot influences and they're like i can't talk to her like she would never talk to me
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i i don't i don't i don't i couldn't see myself with someone like that so all like the it's like
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the more beautiful you get like in terms of traditional like beauty standards the less appeal
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you get because guys start to turn away from that because they see it as superficial right
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so i was the i was the i should thank my parents then thank you mom and dad
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there you go um well this is probably the most thought-provoking interview i've done in a while
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it's and i really think that it's kind of depressing me because i don't think you're wrong
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like that's the worst i don't what is depressing you about it is it just the fact that things have to
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change or like like what what is depressing about it this is what i i think it's exciting because all
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these new things are happening and the world is changing and it's good i don't know i just i kind of
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i don't like the idea of like you know i'm a catholic and i wouldn't you know i'm not like a
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diehard or like a you know they always try to like have me measure it or whatever but i don't know i'm
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like a normal catholic and i just i feel like sometimes when you're playing god i i don't know
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it's just like bad and so i just don't like all this technology where you're literally like playing
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god i think the idea of like a virtual relationship sounds really depressing um yeah so i i don't i
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don't think like that world sounds like good to me but who knows maybe people think the world i grew
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up pressing you know like of the past well i'll give you an example so back i don't know like a few
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hundred years ago if you had a gallstone removed like the surgeons created like gallstone procedures
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to take the gallstone out you were in pain and the the church was complaining about this they said
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like this shouldn't be allowed operations shouldn't be allowed on people because you're taking god's
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souls away from god you have to just let these people suffer and die right and people were like
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though this is crazy all we have to do is do this like surgical procedure remove the stone and the
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person is perfectly fine and so that's that was a technology that pissed off the church because
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it it basically made people live longer right so new technologies always piss off the past the past
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groups because they don't understand they it's almost like they don't want things to get better
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they want to stay where they are because change is difficult right like they want to they want to
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kind of be stuck but do you do you think it's better like a virtual relationship like testosterone
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levels dropping being like everyone's getting fat does that sound better to you okay it's not
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better but i i look at like all of these things like i look at the knowledge base we have
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and like for me i've i'm thinner now than i was when i was in high school yeah i've you know i have
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all this technology of all these access to all these amazing doctors online that i never would
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have had access to like 20 years ago so it's improved my life but for the majority of people
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they're just addicted to fast food and they can't stop so you see it as the people that like want to
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use it in a good way will and the people that don't won't yeah so the people that are like
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keeping up with this are actually like benefiting but the majority of people they don't have the
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time and they don't have the motivation to do anything new and original they're just lazy most
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people 99 of people are lazy unfortunately that's just the way it is and like you can't like how do
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you motivate people like you know like i know people spend they go and see tony robbins and they
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spend like thousands of dollars to motivate themselves they feel great for a couple days and then they're
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like i need another motivational speaker right and it's like to motivate yourself you have to motivate
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yourself not you don't you know you can't rely on other people to motivate you you have to just do
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it yourself yeah and like you know christianity says to keep your wonder be like a child like if
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you if you lose your wonder and your ability to like be creative and curious then then it'll it'll
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consume you the negativity will consume you the laziness will consume you i would love i would love
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to see you bounce idea i can like think of like five people i would love to see you bounce ideas
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off of huh no if you want me to bounce off ideas like there's an interesting podcast i need i think
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you need to check out it's malcolm and simone collins i was talking about them okay uh you should
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definitely try to get them on as well because they're they're fascinating like every like i can't
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watch all their videos because every video i watch like literally red pills my brain in some
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creative way and i'm like oh my god that's mind-blowing and i'm like oh there's another
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video tomorrow i'm like i can't watch another video just i'm still digesting the stuff they
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told me yesterday do you like okay do you think i was thinking about um how women police men's
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speech i think you had a video on that do you think that'll ever like because we always talk
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about freedom of speech and i i believe that really all these limits on speech is just women
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telling men how to talk yes and it actually really irritates me because i feel like i take a lot of
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heat in these spaces and i don't bitch or what i might like make jokes or whatever but like i'm like
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all these chicks just it's like they want to be in a man's world but they won't take what comes with
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it just bothers me to my soul it's like then go home go to the kitchen well what happened was
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the internet was the first time men really had um well men had men's spaces back in the day women
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infiltrated them they invaded them they changed them like there's a video i did a long long time
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ago called uh i think women invading male spaces it was one of my first videos and how women shut
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down coffee shops because they didn't want men talking to each other in coffee shops wait really
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yeah women like the whole uh like feminism rose out of the temperance movement and temperance was
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basically women banning alcohol because they wanted to shut down bars because men would go hang
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out at bars together so it was always about policing males talking to other males and you know there was
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another one there was a bachelor's club in new jersey an article like back in 1920 21 um i found this
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article a while back and it was like women were shutting down this bachelor's club because it was
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all men who were like divorced who were like getting together and talking about how bad women were
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and this is in 1921 and so it was like mig town club back in 1921 and these women were like
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yeah like there's a there's an article that came out like i just discovered this and they literally
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one one guy one of the members was a police officer and they went to his like police station
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and they said did you know that your sergeant over here is going to this men's club and you know you
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shouldn't allow this and blah blah blah so this is this is nothing new women have been policing
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male spaces and behavior for hundreds of years it's just that when once it got on the internet
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it couldn't be stopped because now men could be anonymous they couldn't be shamed and women
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couldn't police it so my my prediction was okay there's they're going to get into like google and
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youtube and they're going to start policing it that way and that's not going to work because men
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will just find new groups online and then now women are getting into politics and now governments
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are starting to go after people so the canadian and the british government have passed like hate
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speech legislation so now they want to start going after like anonymous men that talk about female
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nature and so women are like they're using whatever tool they can to stop this like because
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they don't want the men to walk away from and go off the plantation they want them on the plantation
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right so this is this is how women evolved like to make sure that they control the social aspects of
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society and men control like the physical aspects of society the physical world and so those two things
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would kind of counterbalance one another and now those things are out of whack because now men
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have their own social spaces that can't be fully censored or if they get censored men just go
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someplace else and so it's like you have to play a game of whack-a-mole and if you remember this game
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called whack-a-mole where the moles pop out of the ground you keep hitting the moles and they just
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keep coming up and they never stop they just get faster and faster until you lose the game and that's
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where we're at like now with like governments and women trying to censor because men will just get
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vpns and they'll access something from like another so you can't stop this like the the red pill is out
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there it's never going to be stopped uh so how do you as a woman control men and male behavior
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you can't right and and you're not and like most women are not going to change their behavior to
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suit men i mean some are now that's why you're seeing like the trad wife thing kind of popping up
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but the problem with the trad wife thing is it's a luxury most people can't most women can't afford
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to be trad wives because the cost of living is so expensive well right so and like what i realized
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with the trad wives is the issue is you're going to have the same problem like women when we get
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power we just kind of suck with it i don't know what it is like um i like because i just started
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interviewing like i don't know i think the divorce documentary kind of black filled me a little bit
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because it was like have you put that out yet or are you still working on that i'm i'm still working
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on it it's probably the next like six months i i there's so many ideas i want to go over and i'm just
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trying to i'm having a hard time you do such a good job of making everything concise i tend to go
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on tangents a little bit too much and i've been trying to figure out a way to like make it shorter
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if that makes sense and like more concise i've i've i've given people like i've basically promoted
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youtubers like uh think before you sleep is one of them like he's he's pretty big um and like i kind
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of promoted him on my channel in the beginning i gave him some ads and i also gave him some advice
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and i said like he's like how can i get more views and i said like just write everything out
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script your videos because if you start writing you start it changes the way you think because you
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start using less and less words to get points across because you don't want to write as much
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you're like well i want to get this point across but i don't want to sit here right all day so how
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can i get this across in like you know a paragraph and so the more you write the more your brain is
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going to start using less and less words to get the point across and so but people say oh you write
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too much it's like well that's what helps me think yeah yeah so if you started writing stuff
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down or if you had like a team of writers or somebody like if you had a writer's room right
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like and they could just write things concisely for you yeah then that would allow you to kind
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of clarify the points a lot better yeah because right now i have so much content i filmed for it
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and i'm like how do i put this shit together like i i'm so i'm such a like creative that i'm a bit
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of a scatterbrain so i'm like no that's that's fine it's just you have to kind of like what are
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you trying to accomplish with it i think that's the biggest i'm more i more just wanted to like
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the the documentary is going to be about me like kind of trying to figure out why men are walking
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away from marriage and just go over like what i found so i want to i kind of want to go over like
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um just how the false accusations um the balance of probabilities how they expand the definition of
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things um and i'm trying to go through like each one of those and then give examples of like and
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then then i want to show like the men that i've interviewed that have been like affected by this
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sort of thing um but that sounds like an mra documentary that was made about seven or eight
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years ago now uh by cassie j the it's called the red pill yeah i've seen it i've seen it yeah um
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yeah i i think mine would be a little different because i'm trying to um i i i feel like actually
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i don't know maybe it will be similar i i haven't seen that in so well you're interviewing guys who've
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been through the divorce court ringer right so and this is that's exactly what she did right so
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yeah it's like if i was making a documentary like i my whole thing was i wanted to make a migtail
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documentary interview the migtails that were the most prominent and that were out in the open like
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so you know terrence pop there was another guy out in calgary he didn't want to go on camera because
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he didn't want his family finding out oh terrence is terrence is so nice actually i think i've met
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him yeah he's a really cool guy yeah yeah have you done anything with him yet um no i met him when i
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was a lot smaller he went to the cme i think donovan's thing if it's the guy i'm thinking of but
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i just met him yeah he was at that yeah yeah yeah so he's he's got some interesting like war stories
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and stuff you should definitely try to do a collab with him on his show like that's actually pretty
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good those are pretty they're a lot of fun yeah i'm going to the cme next or like in two weeks so
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i'm i'm assuming he'll be there i was going to interview but uh there was another guy vention
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migtail he passed away like a while ago um but like i wanted to interview the migtail guys and
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just kind of make a documentary about it but the the problem was uh they didn't either didn't want
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to go on camera or there just weren't enough of them that were willing to do it so and and again
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it would just draw a lot of attention and here's another thing if you make a documentary it's hard
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to monetize because if you put it out there people are just going to copy it and like share it online
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so it becomes a lot more difficult to like make money i know people who made documentaries and they
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went bust because they spent so much on the documentary and they didn't make their money
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back so like i don't think that's going to be an issue for you but i'm just saying like a lot of
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people are like that's kind of how how they have to think about it so writing books making movies
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is not as lucrative it's more of like a prestige thing now as opposed to just like a thing that
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people do to to make money yeah i don't know i haven't i haven't gotten that far yet i've just
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started the interview um yeah but like it's like my whole thing would be like like if i was making a
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documentary now i would be like trying to figure out how do we get the fertility rates up how can we build
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a new social technology that will like keep the society and civilization running like how can we
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how can we stabilize society from and have it not collapse like that's what i would be trying to
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focusing on and i would be interviewing people like social scientists and people who are worried about
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it and then like and then i would work in the whole like men aren't getting married thing and why
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aren't men getting married and why aren't women having children younger and like what's going on and
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that kind of stuff that's i think that that that that documentary would be a lot more like
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forward thinking yeah people would be like like i would interview like i would go to like israel and
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i would interview like orthodox jews i would interview the amish i would like figure out why amish is on my
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list actually go ahead i would like already know the fertility rates for the um for the mormons are
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falling below replacement right so utah's fertility rate is going below replacement so if they can't
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make it like and they're like one of the most religious groups and that's the thing like who's
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gonna make it right i would interview like malcolm and simone and like go to their house and i'd be like
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interviewing them and i'd be like okay how do we create a new social technology that's going to get
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fertility rates back up right and i that's what i would be searching for i've honestly before this i kind
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of thought that women shouldn't vote was the answer but you've changed it's not you've changed my
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perspective a bit sandman yeah like the whole women shouldn't vote thing that was something
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like take women's rights away that was something that turd flinging monkey talked about back like
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five six years ago and everyone was like oh my god that's so wrong like i don't think women's like
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my whole thing is i don't want women's rights to be taken away i want everyone to have their rights
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but i i think we can solve this problem where for the most of society most of history men and women
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had to sacrifice for their children if the the solution would be one where men and women wouldn't
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have to sacrifice for their children but they would still have children and every the children and the
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parents would be happy everyone would be happy or not even happy but content to kind of and free to
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kind of all come together in some way like that that would be the ideal right and so that's kind of
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what we'd have to strive for like that's the outcome we want we want men to have rights women to
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have rights we want children to be like raised properly so they have children and that they're
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well balanced how do we get there right and then we start we're looking at examples of societies that
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have done that and then we look at like how how we could create that right like how we could like
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malcolm and simone are fantastic because they basically say you know they're they're now thinking
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of like selecting their embryos that they're going to implant based on the likelihood of those embryos
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having children of their own based on the like the predetermined genetic behaviors that they could
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find like they want to they want to be able to map that out so they just want to take this further and
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further along so yeah i'm just i think we there's there are ways to solve this but they require a lot
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of work and they thought require a lot of thought and it's not it's not easy like if it was easy
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somebody would have done it by now here i thought it was women shouldn't vote was the answer
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they're really good huh look this is i'm still selling those t-shirts though i'm gonna be honest
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yeah the shirts are gonna sell like hotcakes because everyone's gonna believe it but but like
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i'm saying like you gotta look five or ten years forward and say okay how where is this gonna go
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in five or ten years and like you know you're pulling out my videos from like 10 years ago and
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everyone's like i was reading through the comments so like how did this guy know this what was gonna
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happen 10 years ago today and it's like because like you can you can see like the future is already
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here it's just not equally distributed yet so you have to find the people that are on the cutting edge
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and that's where that's where the society will be in 10 years from now so finding the people that are
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like riding the edge of change those are the people that you kind of have to interview those are
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the i think those are the people for a documentary would make the most sense malcolm simone collins
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so you said it was yes yes i'll look in so they've got a chance they've got a channel called
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based camp like again like you're like i'm intense for you they're intense for me and i'm like i can't
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like if i watch i listen to one of their videos i'm just like holy cow like there's always a point
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somewhere around the 20 minute mark where i'm just like it blows my mind away like and um they're
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having it like they're gonna have a retreat in uh costa rica i think next year so i'm i'm probably
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gonna go to that like i don't usually do appearances but i'll probably go to that i'll be
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like i see a guy that says based camp chris that's not them no it's the channel is called based camp
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so and they have uh there's they've got all kinds of really interesting experts on there too
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so there's ayla i can't i remember she's like basically this like snm woman she basically uh maps
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the sexual marketplace out and like she she basically collects like all kinds of data she was
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like a former uh working girl and so she's got a lot of experience with men if you know what i mean
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and so she kind of is an expert on that so and she's got all kinds of data she's been collecting
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so it's kind of really interesting and you know they talk about ai they talk about fertility they
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talk about talk about all kinds of stuff and it's like malcolm is just like an idea factory like it just
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it just keeps coming out right so can be worse than thoughts i'm gonna have to do reactions to them
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okay what do you mean trad wives can be worse no i just was reading i'm looking at the place you said
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and yeah based camp let's see their topics yeah like it's like it's really rich dense stuff and like
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malcolm's like he says he's like lucky with simone because she's on the autism spectrum and so he is he's
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like it's not like uh having a relationship with uh with an average like ordinary woman it's because
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he's having a relationship with somebody that's more cerebral than you know than the other women
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out there so let's see what what are they doing so they should find autistic women well yeah like so
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imagine you could select traits for imagine you could select daughters with autistic qualities
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because here's the thing like for me if i was able to get into another relationship i would i would
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want to be with a woman who um was more into what she was doing than she wasn't to me because i would
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find that whenever i'd get into a relationship the woman would be more interested in policing my
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behavior than she'd be interested in what she was doing so i'd want to be with somebody creative that
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would spend it would be an introvert so they'd spend more time alone and they would be working
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on their own creative endeavors as opposed to like like constantly smothering me in a relationship
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because that would allow me to have space and allow them to have space yeah and we could come
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together occasionally but the problem with that is people who are really good at what they do
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obsessively compulse over it all the time so they there's no time to kind of have a relationship
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that's the problem because if you want to become an expert in your field you don't have time for
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relationships yeah that's the problem it's interesting that's like the one thing i get
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asked all the time if i'm autistic and i i find it a little and it hurts my feelings a little bit i'm
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like what the why do you why why do you see it i don't know i just i'm like why do they keep asking
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me this i get that a lot though i don't know i don't know why but like i don't know you just
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i don't know you just i don't you wouldn't think it's a compliment you know well okay but
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that sounds really rude because i'm not trying to be mean but it's just i don't know you know
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but the people who like the internet was created by people who were on for themselves so they could
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communicate with one another like this is the thing like people who succeed in social media
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like more than everybody else like for example when i communicate with people um if i sit in a room
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and there's like two or three other people i get overwhelmed because i'm thinking about like
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what's everyone thinking what's everyone feeling what's everyone saying and i get into what i call
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analysis paralysis where i'm like i can't talk anymore because there's too much information there's
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too many people when i'm talking one-on-one um and if i'm not making eye contact then all i'm doing
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is focusing on people's words and i'm not focusing on body language i'm not focusing on anything else
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and then that'll like so autist autistic people and people who have on the spectrum they their
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ability to focus on one particular thing is really good but if you give them too much information
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then their ability to focus gets overwhelmed and they can't focus anymore so it's just your
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autistic autistic people are just hyper focused for the most part so that's not a that's not a bad
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thing in this world being hyper focused is good because you can become an expert in your field
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so there's nothing wrong with like being on the spectrum like like not a full-blown autist right
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like but i'm talking about like somebody that's got like um that's on that spectrum that's like
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that has a little bit of those traits yeah so i get it i don't as far as i know no i just i just
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get asked that a lot so i'm like huh but why did they say why they think that or no no no i've just
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had i don't know i think three different people say that to me so like recently too so i was like
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what do people keep asking well look you do the same thing every day like i don't i don't think
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i don't really see you taking any breaks you work every day right uh sunday sundays um okay we'll
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we'll record extra and like post it on like sundays yeah exactly so you're basically every day you're
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pumping out content so like to be in this space for a really long time you have to be hyper focused you
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have to be you have to focus on the same thing over and you're talking about the same things every day
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and the problem is most people can't do that they get bored and they say oh i can't talk about the
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same thing longer than a few months i get tired of this i want to do something else and i do i am
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bored of the shows we're kind of phasing those out because i just you ever tried was it just
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complicated bringing guests in and stuff like that or no um it's more just like one the type of
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and and people think we like cast for this or something it's just random people but you just get
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so many like crazy chicks that you just kind of get really tired after you do it for a while
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and then it is kind of a lot like booking when they're coming and going it's just kind of easier
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to sit and like do one of these you know not that i actually i did it for a year and a half so i like
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i enjoyed it but it's just it's kind of tiring you know yeah you can't keep up forever right yeah
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yeah and i'm like i just rather give my opinions or do i don't know talk to like smarter people no
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offense to be guessed some of them are smart but well it's just it gets to the point where it's
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like um the more intelligent your conversations get the like it might actually be detrimental to
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reaching a wider audience right because you're gonna get people that are gonna be like i don't
01:34:30.600
want to talk about complicated things it's making my head hurt right i want to just see some like
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thought like on fresh and fit like yelling on the camera right like so i mean that there's i think
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there's a certain amount of appeal to just kind of like getting you know bad behavior on camera
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that people want to see like and that's what the majority of people will kind of focus on but if you
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really want to make change in the world like you have to become intelligent enough to um influence
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the influencers and so like if like if i influence people like you and other people and then they go off
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and they make they get hundreds you know hundreds of millions of views and then they influence other
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people and then it's like a domino effect and then it just keeps going out and out and out and
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eventually the society changes and uh you know like i've been thinking about this for a while and then
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a few days ago malcolm basically said oh like how do you measure influence like how does somebody
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measure influence like you know that right now they're going after russell brand they want to cancel
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russell brand but where is russell brand getting his ideas from right and and that's those are the
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influencers those are the real people behind everything and the establishment doesn't see
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those other people all they see is russell brand and they go after him right and they don't go after
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anyone else and i'm like well if they knew who the actual influencers were like they would be going
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after us like massively like they'd be like the thought leaders they want to go after the thought
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leaders because what you usually see is the i call them like the credit police where because what i
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found was like kevin samuels was like a major influencer and i know like five guys in the
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space that take credit for like what he did and this happens to me too sometimes where like people
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i don't even watch say that i'm getting it from their show like like if you said that that would be
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fair like i like you see me literally watching your stuff but it's like funny because some influencers
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like think it's them and i'm like i don't even i haven't watched you in like three years
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you know what i mean um but it's um it's interesting because i i feel like there's two
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types of people like there's the type that kind of realizes where they're at and try to leverage it
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and the other type like kind of gets mad you know and that's where you see all the infighting
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you know well it's it's all like where did this idea come from who's who does this idea belong to
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yeah and this is this is like pettiness and it's like okay look i i'm i will give credit to where
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i get ideas from i don't care but i will also try to add my own ideas and thoughts to things
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right i think that that's like you have to stop and ask yourself like what do i think of this like
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you know like forget about what other people are saying i've i've i've listened to what other people
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have said now what do i think you know and that and that was something that was like a gift that i
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got from this uh girl back in in my 30s that basically said like it's great that you're consuming
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all this content and you're just regurgitating everyone's words but what do you think and i
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thought i stopped for a second i said wait a minute i have a right to have my own opinion
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what like and i just kind of like then i started thinking for myself and then i started putting
01:37:33.400
things together for myself and observing things and commenting on them myself and i think once you
01:37:39.880
can start doing that then you become an idea factory because you start seeing what everyone else is
01:37:45.400
um like you start to see everyone else's blind spot and and that was that was one of the reasons i
01:37:49.880
try not to consume too much content because then other people's ideas pollute my way of thinking
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i need to just see an idea and and objectively think about it without having other people's opinions
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getting involved so like when i see something happening i'm like well i immediately i'm like i'm not
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going to go to you know tim cast to hear what you know the panel has to say i'm just going to sit
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and i'm going to think about this myself because sometimes i will reach a conclusion that's
01:38:17.120
different and then i can add that to the discussion and bring something up that no one has brought up
01:38:21.660
before well that's how um you know the the crowder video like stephen crowder yeah yeah well which
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video the the like abuse accusation one you know i'm talking about uh did that happen recently no this
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was a couple months ago where everyone was saying he was an abuser okay so it was like um like six
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months ago stephen crowder had um uh basically like everyone like candace owens reported a story
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of a ring camera from his house um that was like leaked of him like yelling oh this is with his wife
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and all that stuff yeah yeah yeah but it was like i feel like i had because of like my background in
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the divorce documentary i was like i know what this bitch is doing i know i'm like i do not buy it
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but it's like i wouldn't have had that point of view if i didn't like do the documentary if that
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makes sense um yeah i mean right now i think things have swung in in the opposite direction
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like for the longest time um you know it was always like women abusing men in like divorce courts
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and stuff and like the false accusations and now there's actually evidence to support that a man is
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being like bad even when the man will self-incriminate people still won't believe it like the guy will
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say like i you know i did this and i did that it's like no he's not an abuser he's not a trafficker but
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he's like but he's telling you that he's trafficking these women and you still won't believe it it's
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like oh it's just the media making up lies i'm like that's the andrew tate thing is the best
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example of this well i took it out because andrew tate andrew tate says you know like i got these
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women to fall in love with me and then i brought them in for my webcamming business i'm like that
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is the definition of trafficking if you look at the law right he's like what it's wrong to to make
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people fall in love with you it's like well if you're exploiting them sexually yes that's what
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the law says and you're you're self-snitching and you're creating yourself honestly the way i looked
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at that though was like okay come on when you hear human trafficking you think like you're stealing
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women you know yeah that's kind of why i had i had that point of view because i'm like okay
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so that's not real human traffic like that's just a big l that's kind of the way i look at it i'm like
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look okay but like that is an l big l like i would be very upset but like l but i just i think
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like if you if you choose to do it like no one put a gun to your head so there's a there's a great
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uh there's a criminal lawyer that's another interesting guess you might have is uh bruce
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rivers he's a criminal defense he's great yeah so he talks about all this tate stuff all the time
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and it's like i i did i thought okay they're probably making stuff up about tate and then he
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literally goes through the case and he's like this is what he said this is the definition of
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trafficking he therefore he is guilty and he's saying it on camera and you know that this footage
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is going to be brought up in the trial they're going to have it in court and he's self-incriminating
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and he's going away like him and tristan tater going away for like 20 years i think they're
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going to get off you think they're going to go to jail i think they're going to get off i don't
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look i don't know but i think i think that like they've broken the law based on the way
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the law is defined like i like i think i think the real issue here is what like if if men can
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exploit women sexually but you know women can exploit men sexually and through marriage and
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divorce and get away with it but men can't do the same to women and that's what i think
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andrew tate was doing he figured out female nature and then he figured out ways to exploit
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female nature for profit yeah just the way that women would exploit men for profit except there
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are laws to prevent men from exploiting women but there are no laws preventing women from
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exploiting men and the fact the laws reward women for exploiting men well and i think that's the
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bigger argument here i think that's really the issue well and my my thing was i'm like how the
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hell did you get an ex-boyfriend to let you to convince you to do cam work i'm just like okay like
01:42:11.260
well look he's he he basically had like okay so they were all they were all figuring out that this
01:42:16.600
guy was smart he was going places so they figured like if i just hook up to this guy i can let him
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like i can ride this train on ride his coattails all the way to success and on top of that he found
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young women like the one woman i think he had kids with uh i don't know who's vivian or the other
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one i can't remember the name of there but she was like 15 when they got together 16 right so he would
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find women that were extremely young and impressionable and he would bond with them
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so he figured out okay if i bond with the woman in the late teens wait is that the one pressing
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charges the vivian they have a kid the vivian one is no the vivian one i think is in in the uk but he
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has another one that he got together with vivian one was like a stripper i'm like what the we're
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fighting for a stripper i don't know but he's i know the one he got together with was like 16 or
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something like he was just like barely legal and that's the one like he basically controls right
01:43:07.060
so that's that's i don't know that's kind of what i've what i've like heard it from like yeah but
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i'm just like what we're stupid at 16 i was 16 like i don't know it's not about being stupid it's
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about bonding right like if you're with somebody at a young age as a woman you will bond with them
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more likely than if you get older right so like well oh i totally agree i just say it's an l
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like i just i just think like come on you're gonna you pick to do can't like okay at 16 you
01:43:35.800
decided to hook up with a multi-millionaire he got you to do cam work and now like i just i don't know
01:43:42.740
but she bonded with him and like again he would prey on these girls that were straight out of high
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school like a lot of the ones that were just straight out of high school because they could
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still bond with the guy right so i think that that's part of the the strategy that they use like
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there's all these videos of him talking about his strategy and that strategy is sexual exploitation
01:44:02.360
it's not trafficking like the traditional definition of trafficking like you mentioned
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yeah but it's a definition that has to do with right like sexual exploitation yeah coercion and lying
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to basically uh sexually exploit someone which is what they're what he's doing right yeah i just
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i just kind of look at those all as like feminist words like and this is just kind of how i see it
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where it's like you got all these words to just make like to me it's just like the chick made a
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stupid decision i'm not saying what he did was right but i'm like you know when i was 16 i was
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playing volleyball these chicks decided to go do cam work for a multi-millionaire people make
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different choices you know like what he would do is he would go on instagram and he would contact
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girls that were straight out of high school and then he would fly them out and like woo them
01:44:50.360
get them drunk and then convince them right like that's what he would do well like in my head i'm
01:44:55.100
like you chose to go like like this is just this is just how i think because i'm like but that's the
01:45:00.760
same thing as like saying well you as a guy you chose to marry her so now you're stuck getting
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divorced and divorce raped well i was done well i you know i would somewhat agree if the guy like i don't
01:45:11.500
really see it as the same thing because i just i think back to myself at 16 i'm like i wasn't doing
01:45:17.780
that stuff so why are you guys like where are your parents in this like why are you why are you
01:45:21.960
guys getting on a plane to romania yeah well they're he's more looking for the 18 year olds yeah but the
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16 year olds is the one he he made a relationship with right so that's like you know i think that's
01:45:32.300
kind of weird but it's like it's legal it is weird it's legal right it's like yeah yeah so you know
01:45:38.840
i'm not i'm not here to say like that's a good dating decision but do i think it's worth human
01:45:43.740
trafficking i i would disagree you know but but based on the legal definition it fits right that's
01:45:50.340
well that's all that matters and that's the right well that's the they just expand but that's like
01:45:55.180
the same thing as like you know when i hear these guys that like get um you know emotional abuse
01:46:00.780
accusations i'm like i i guess technically it falls under it but like you know what is nagging nagging is
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emotional abuse i i know this is my this is my point though i know this is my point it's like
01:46:13.740
so they expand the definition and then they kind of got you on the men and some of them are doing
01:46:18.840
sure immoral stuff and i'm like like do they deserve 20 years for human trafficking i would argue well you
01:46:26.120
know look it's i i agree with you like i he's he's playing the system he's playing these women who
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would have played some other guy somewhere else but like they also recognize that he's influencing
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a lot of young guys and they don't want that so that's one of the reasons they're also going after
01:46:44.580
him so yeah this is like it's like like they probably would have slid if he hadn't become so big
01:46:50.380
right like this never would have happened yeah so it's a combination of things right like so now
01:46:55.580
they're like digging up every man's past it's like you know how how do i know that somebody's you
01:47:00.400
know it's it find out finds out who i am and then goes back and asks ex-girlfriends like did he do
01:47:04.600
anything and they're like yes he did it's like but i didn't do any of that well prove it and then all
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all of a sudden i'm going away for 20 or 30 years off of just like somebody's false accusation that's
01:47:14.280
ridiculous right yeah with zero proof just he said she said that's it i think i think that that's a
01:47:20.360
completely different story right like and so the like right now they went after danny masterson he's
01:47:24.660
going away for life and who knows what's going to happen to russell brand i think they're gonna there's
01:47:28.820
gonna be a court case for that probably so they're gonna go after him case well the the the uk
01:47:34.300
government the police have already begun the investigation now danny masterson is that the
01:47:39.520
that's the guy who was on the 70s show he went away him i covered him for 30 years and so there's
01:47:45.180
russell brand and who else did they be going after recently uh i don't know like there's just there's
01:47:50.020
just all these cases constantly popping up yeah so i'm like that's why when you were talking about
01:47:54.780
your future i'm like well with these consequences you're you're right i mean and the low testosterone
01:48:00.620
everything else we talked about but i'm like i was a guy i just wouldn't even touch women with a 10
01:48:04.880
foot pole well i just i think that like the thing is right now young guys have access to so much
01:48:10.560
pornography yeah that it's like what i i found like things like the fleshlight would actually be
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like in terms of feeling stimulation it it's it's in some ways better than an actual vagina which is
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kind of crazy because like we're going to create technology that's more sexually stimulating than
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actual sex so why would anyone have sex if all of a sudden there's technology that does it better
01:48:32.620
right like i think that that's kind of the direction we're heading in and then all of a sudden people
01:48:36.560
are gonna be like well like like a vibrator like women use vibrators because they get something that
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could never get from a real person but i mean even if you don't use it i'm just saying like a lot of
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women do because yeah i know i know i'm not dumb yeah i'm not not saying you said that but i'm like
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i'm like ah this stuff is future's gonna be weird i have to go though um no worries i have to go but
01:48:56.360
thank you so much you actually this is the first interview that's made me like think about things
01:49:01.500
really different in a while so hopefully not depressing i feel i'm a little depressed but it's
01:49:07.340
all right i'll get over it it's like when i figured out marriage was dead it was like depressed
01:49:11.580
for a week then i was like yeah it's all right so um can you tell people where they can find you
01:49:17.360
maybe they should subscribe to your second channel so that one's monetized there's sandman too um if
01:49:23.000
you just do a search on youtube you can find me there you can like if you do sandman migtail on
01:49:27.900
like rumble or bit shoot well bit shoots the search engine doesn't work there anymore but yeah like
01:49:33.440
youtube sandman too is probably the best and if you want rumble just sandman migtail you can find me
01:49:39.360
there too so well and then i do go ahead no go ahead no i just i do my uh like i do memes of the
01:49:46.700
week a couple times a week which are just like uh all the stuff i post on twitter the most popular
01:49:51.240
stuff for the for the week which is kind of interesting and then i do videos like request
01:49:57.240
videos people suggest videos video topics and i do those and i also do coaching calls so people can
01:50:02.540
pay to talk to me for an hour or two i i retweet you a lot on twitter the twitter yeah i see you on
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there too you're like yeah there's a lot of funny stuff there too yeah um okay so guys make sure you
01:50:14.820
subscribe to his channel um i'm gonna put you on our list for like panels we were gonna do some
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virtual ones i think it'd be really interesting to hear some of your ideas like with other people
01:50:26.860
like i just think it'd be really interesting so um cool is that all right yeah that's cool okay
01:50:31.540
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