JustPearlyThings - The History Of The Manosphere ｜ Sandman @SandmanMGTOW

00:00:00.000 what up guys welcome to the just pearly things youtube channel and welcome to the sit down

00:00:05.500 where i bring on different guests from all walks of life um today i have one of the og

00:00:11.220 mig tau content creators sandman here today um he has been in the space for 10 years um which is

00:00:19.800 crazy welcome to the show sandman thanks for having me how have you not been like banned at

00:00:25.580 this point well i've been demonetized i was demonetized originally in 2018 uh you see the

00:00:31.500 thing is when i started doing this youtube didn't really like nobody really knew that there was

00:00:36.560 actually a social change or cultural change so for the first three four years most mig tau content

00:00:42.320 creators flew under the radar they were they were going after people for copyright more than anything

00:00:47.060 else for using like two or three seconds of fair use clips they weren't going after people for things

00:00:52.520 like hate speech it wasn't until 2017 when the adpocalypse happened when pewdiepie started to like 0.51

00:01:00.560 make anti-semitic things or things they thought they were anti-semitic that they actually started going

00:01:05.260 after people for hate speech pewdiepie that's like a youtuber right i don't yeah he was the biggest

00:01:10.700 youtuber from i think 2013 till 2017 and uh if you look it up like the adpocalypse of 2017 all of a

00:01:19.860 sudden we woke up one day and all the advertisers were deciding to pull ads off of youtube because

00:01:26.260 uh they started finding all this hate on their like next to their ads so all overnight everyone's

00:01:32.720 ad revenue dropped by like 90 percent until youtube started to clean up channels and at that point they

00:01:38.580 started putting most of my videos in limited state i had to appeal every single video to get monetized

00:01:44.520 and that was that was going for a lot of people back then so are you re-monetized now or no

00:01:48.860 i monetized on my sandman 2 channel um if i want to get my sandman 1 channel monetized i have to like

00:01:55.320 delete most of my video content and then i have to reapply which i'm not going to do so i just post

00:02:01.180 new stuff on sandman 2 i don't use the mig tau term like the acronym because if i use that automatically

00:02:08.020 the videos get demonetized so i can't use that anymore so what um i'm curious about two things i'm

00:02:14.120 curious about first like what got you into mig tau and then i'm kind of curious like what early

00:02:20.300 how long has this mig tau movement been even going on well there's there's a couple versions of it like

00:02:25.620 the first version was around like 2001 2 3 and a couple guys they decided they wanted to

00:02:32.600 re-masculinize men and they wanted to feminize women so the idea was that was the original mig tau but

00:02:38.820 but the second version of it the iteration that you see right now is kind of uh the brainchild of

00:02:44.920 a guy named uh barbarossa and that was around 2008 2009 he started posting content and you know there's

00:02:52.260 a video called the post-feminist man and it's actually like really interesting because back then

00:02:56.400 when he was putting stuff out he was the first one to do it and it was extremely revolutionary and

00:03:01.340 then you had another guy called stardust who's now the thinking ape and he's more of an incel channel

00:03:06.500 now blackpilled incel channel he's kind of switched over uh and then and then you saw a lot of men's

00:03:12.360 rights people kind of jump on the bandwagon early like you had karen strawn this is around 2010 2011 12

00:03:20.340 and then it kind of not necessarily died down but like the main content creators they stopped producing

00:03:26.140 as much content and then that's when i came in at the end of 2013 so i discovered this and i was kind

00:03:34.080 of going through this patch in my life where i was like well i just came out of a 10 year long

00:03:38.120 relationship and now i wanted to um you know i wanted to basically not make the same mistake again

00:03:44.120 fall for the wrong type of person so i was like i'm going to date again but i'm going to make sure i

00:03:49.540 kind of figure this out and that's when i ran into stardust's videos and it wasn't i thought oh this

00:03:55.460 is dating advice it's like no this is advice as to why you shouldn't be dating and the more i listened

00:04:00.300 to him there was a giant six hour compilation of his content i realized wait a minute like this makes

00:04:06.700 a lot of sense and so from there the more i learned the more i red-pilled myself the more i decided i

00:04:12.840 gotta talk about this i have stuff to add so then i just started adding stuff in october november of 2013

00:04:18.240 okay and what is the biggest um and i think i understand but i just want to confirm

00:04:23.240 the i make towels men go in their own way black-pilled is when because people are starting

00:04:31.160 to say i'm black-pilled now and i i don't even i think isn't black-pilled like it's all about looks

00:04:36.620 and it's like over for a third of them well that's that's kind of the incels right so you get you get

00:04:40.820 so there's different groups in the manosphere right so you get you get the migtows like this the

00:04:46.140 second iteration like i said 2009 10 and then you also get the black-pilled incels who were once

00:04:51.600 known as tflers or true force loneliness guys and those are the black pillar guys and then you get 0.85

00:04:58.040 the mras which were kind of around in the late 2010s and early or let's say the early 2010s and they

00:05:05.040 they were we were competing with me like with them the migtows were competing with them like i was i

00:05:09.760 considered myself an mra back in like 2013 14 15 and i was a migtow too but they didn't like they

00:05:16.540 didn't like migtow because it was kind of stealing their thunder at the time and then you also get the

00:05:21.080 puas once migtow channels were all demonetized on in november 15th of 2018 then the pua started

00:05:29.180 coming up and the pua started to fill the space that a lot of the migtow channels like when they

00:05:34.260 disappeared left so you know like there's there's a lot of little subgroups right so puas mras migtows

00:05:40.560 and pretty much incels i think i think i understand them somewhat the do you okay what do you think

00:05:46.780 about like is it over for like do certain men have zero shot at dating at all um just based on how they

00:05:54.820 were born yeah like i mean if like if you look at women's expectations and if you look at like what's

00:06:01.380 going on in the sexual marketplace yeah it's pretty much over for some of them but i don't think a lot of

00:06:06.280 younger guys like i've talked to guys in their teens and they don't even want to date they're more

00:06:10.020 they're more just happy doing their own thing and this would have been unheard of you know 20 years

00:06:15.740 ago that you know 14 15 16 year old guys are like i don't want to get married i don't want a girlfriend

00:06:20.920 and it's and it's not like they're listening and watching migtow content they're like they're watching

00:06:26.300 andrew tate videos and they're deciding this stuff early on and i think it's also partially to do with

00:06:31.240 like lower testosterone and like we're starting to get into this culture where guys are just becoming

00:06:37.180 more participant they're not participating in things they're just kind of becoming observers

00:06:41.280 they don't even play video games they watch other people play video games it's like they don't want

00:06:46.060 they don't want to put effort into anything like the culture of laziness has gotten so out of hand

00:06:50.360 so i want dating takes work yeah yeah so i wanted to get your point of view and you're kind of going

00:06:57.820 into it now but i just give me like a broad overview on what is going on in society like

00:07:03.800 why can't the genders get together well the genders could never get together the thing is the reason we 1.00

00:07:08.580 were together for the longest time was because of codependency right because women weren't allowed 1.00

00:07:13.020 to work so they needed men for financial survival and and basically men wanted sex so there was this 0.67

00:07:20.000 like natural trade-off right sex for resources and attention women women couldn't go and get dopamine 1.00

00:07:26.960 rushes off their phones so they actually physically had to talk to people but if you talk to too many

00:07:31.800 people you were you know you were considered the town bicycle and you're everyone would ride you and

00:07:36.900 like they didn't they didn't want to do that because it was socially unacceptable so to get a steady stream

00:07:42.460 of attention from one guy you had to settle down and marry him marry him right you weren't going to get 1.00

00:07:47.880 that from like dozens of simps and orbiters like all over the place so now we've gotten to the point

00:07:53.120 where that dynamic is out of whack and now you're starting to see like society break down yeah and

00:07:59.520 so do you um so when i look at the future it looks kind of grim to me you know i'm not i'm not i'm like

00:08:05.800 a happy person so i people think i'm like a doomer whatever maybe maybe you get this too like it just

00:08:11.120 seems like the birth rate is going to keep going down and we're just going to get fatter and families

00:08:15.900 are going to be okay so so the problem is the fertility rate is collapsing yeah and it's going

00:08:21.420 to get it's going to get below one like it's already dropped below one in places like south

00:08:25.180 korea this is going to get this is going to accelerate and uh so what eventually like every

00:08:30.080 population will half every generation so you're looking at within like 100 to 200 years you're

00:08:35.920 looking at the populations falling by like 95 percent right like it's wow this is like really yeah

00:08:42.180 because i didn't think about it i didn't even think about it like that okay so like imagine

00:08:45.560 right now you've got 50 million south koreans and imagine the next generation is half so it's going 0.99

00:08:50.040 to be it's going to go from 50 million to 25 in like 40 50 years 60 years then from then it's going

00:08:57.160 to go to another half so it's going to drop to 12 so the 25 is going to drop to 12 and then from 12

00:09:01.680 it's going to drop to six and then from six it's going to drop to three so within four or five

00:09:06.680 generations you're looking at going to population 50 million to three million so all of a sudden

00:09:11.480 you can't run a civilization when your populations drop that fast so the thing is we marriage is a 0.93

00:09:17.560 social technology right we use it to procreate to have relationships that build a society you know

00:09:23.280 christianity is a social technology you know so we need a new social technology that's going to

00:09:29.560 stabilize fertility rates and like we need a culture that like promotes like birth like there's a has to

00:09:36.780 be a reason you have children and right now we don't have reasons to give to people that have

00:09:41.460 children right so we're gonna have to figure that out so like it's it's not just as simple as oh

00:09:46.920 like men and women need to get married it's like yeah we need a new like software update for the 1.00

00:09:51.820 human species that's what we need and the way i because i kind of when i first got i don't know if

00:09:56.200 you saw me reacting to your stuff like years ago like two three some of the stuff i would see i'd be

00:10:01.740 like wow this is kind of harsh like why don't they want to get married um but then i started to realize

00:10:06.140 that men can't interact with women without a legal consequence so i was like at work there's a legal

00:10:11.240 consequence and i think you had a video that kind of broke this down you did like usually you do a

00:10:16.640 really good job of like simplifying things um but yeah there's a there's a term there's a term it's

00:10:21.520 basically like unless you can unless you can take a complicated thing and simplify it and explain it

00:10:28.240 to everyone in very plain language you don't understand yeah i think you're talking and i think that's

00:10:32.980 what a lot of that's that's why like my channel kind of took off back in the day was because a lot

00:10:38.220 of the people who are talking about this were using complicated academic language they weren't using

00:10:42.920 plain language that everyone could understand and i wanted to make this very much about um like main i

00:10:50.180 wanted to make it mainstream and they were not happy about that they didn't want it to become

00:10:53.400 mainstream so there was there were kind of arguments from them with me on that one so wait they don't

00:10:58.680 want it to be mainstream no the original like the back in the 2010s they didn't want this knowledge

00:11:04.180 to be mainstream they wanted to keep it kind of like especially guys like stardust they wanted to

00:11:08.400 keep it very much uh like out of the mainstream because they wanted to be like their own little

00:11:13.260 club their own little group and and my whole goal was to make it mainstream and they were very critical

00:11:18.760 of this they did not like this well in a way i guess the way i see it is men are so logical

00:11:24.720 like they just kind of look at the risks and the rewards that regardless of what we say i think men

00:11:30.020 are going to walk away from marriage and relationships regardless like because i'm just

00:11:34.600 like if women are bringing less than ever before and there's more risk than they're taking than ever

00:11:40.180 before it just seems like even if like there was no manosphere none of this i think men would walk

00:11:44.880 away regardless just maybe a little slower yeah it's just i'm just basically accelerating it right

00:11:49.900 that's pretty much like you're you're accelerating it massively like you know the the thing is i've

00:11:54.140 i wanted to make it mainstream and you're exactly what i think needs to happen like i need i think

00:11:59.240 i think we need to make it mainstream faster because right now like people are sending me

00:12:03.180 articles saying like the government is starting to freak out why aren't guys getting married like

00:12:07.780 the capitol hill paper is starting to like ask this question right they're like what's going on it's

00:12:12.700 like so politicians are starting like me three years ago i was like what they don't want to get

00:12:16.700 married four years ago um but okay so what do you see because i guess the way i look at it as before

00:12:25.860 like 100 years ago there was a patriarchy and when they gave women the right to vote like that it's

00:12:31.700 gone right and then it seems like when women got more and more power basically we just kind of did 0.55

00:12:37.020 bad stuff we made a justice system that oppressed men we made um a what do you call it um

00:12:42.760 yeah family courts abortion you know you know so the three things you get you get family courts

00:12:50.220 you get abortion and you get the pill those three things affected fertility rates in the 50s 60s that

00:12:55.560 and that dropped us below replacement level correct correct so what do you see like moving forward you

00:13:01.260 know i always talk about women shouldn't vote um i don't necessarily i mean i believe that to my soul

00:13:06.260 i don't know if they'll do it do you think they're going to go towards more like egalitarian policies

00:13:11.220 these are more patriarchal policies well we had egalitarianism like in the 90s like when i was

00:13:16.380 growing up in the 90s like things were pretty equal like it was equal opportunities um there was

00:13:22.920 none of this like women are oppressed you didn't see all this crazy feminism coming out everyone was 1.00

00:13:28.140 kind of getting along so it's this period of time where male power and influence started to kind of

00:13:33.420 decline but women's power and influence started to rise and we reached that point of equilibrium in the 0.97

00:13:37.540 90s and it only really started maybe the last 10 15 year years that women started to like like push 1.00

00:13:43.960 for more power over men like it you know it's that's when you started to see uh like start things start

00:13:50.740 to switch over the other way but wouldn't you say that it started before that because i thought the

00:13:55.100 changes in family courts happened before the 90s yeah i mean that was the 70s and the 80s yeah like

00:14:01.660 when you when you started to see that but again that didn't creep in like you have to remember

00:14:05.880 like these things kind of take time because the previous generations they stayed together they

00:14:10.200 didn't necessarily get divorced it wasn't until like the mass divorce of the 1980s that you started

00:14:15.320 to see a lot of this stuff like start to happen fast force of the 1980s that kind of makes sense of

00:14:23.940 what i see because i i say i think there's three generate i call them like the three generations of

00:14:29.100 shitty wives um because what i would just from interviewing so many people um that kind of makes sense i 0.92

00:14:35.300 always say like it's it seems like the women from uh like 75 80 to like 100 seem to be like the last 0.95

00:14:44.220 generation of women that believe in like submission that really seem to like care more about the family 1.00

00:14:50.560 than themselves the next generation they kind of were the ones that seemed to tell their daughter like

00:14:55.320 they might have stayed married but they they seem to tell their daughters to always have a backup plan 0.58

00:15:00.120 don't depend on a man etc etc you have to understand like these like the older much 0.97

00:15:05.280 older women they grew up in a time like okay imagine this you grow up you face the great

00:15:10.020 depression and the dust bowl then you face the second world war then you face like horrible

00:15:15.340 inflation of the 1940s so from 1929 all the way till 1950 if you were like in your teens and 20s and a kid

00:15:23.440 you were dealing with hardships it didn't matter if you were a male or female like times sucked and then

00:15:28.740 all of a sudden you get out into the 1950s and it's this like golden age where there's like mcdonald's

00:15:34.660 and 57 chevys and yeah and everyone's like women like to be traditional it's like yeah you would like 1.00

00:15:40.160 to sit in a kitchen and and like do nothing in peace and quiet because you've had like 20 years of

00:15:44.980 turmoil yeah and so so women did that until the pill came out and then their children like you know when 1.00

00:15:51.480 they say like the sexual revolution that was the baby boomers the children of that generation that 0.88

00:15:56.620 kind of you know basically grew up through those hard times their children started to come out and

00:16:01.560 they'd only experienced good times so now they went out into the world and that's the generation 1.00

00:16:06.400 started to make the changes yeah because i call like 40 to 60 year olds women roughly i mean i know

00:16:13.120 there's like their names for the groups but i and i'm curious if you agree i always say like the 40

00:16:18.360 to 60 year olds were kind of it's generation so yeah yeah so like four yeah 40 to 60 40 to uh 55

00:16:24.180 that's gen x right so and you also have to say like the manosphere stuff kind of flows in like every

00:16:29.780 generation has its own kind of manosphere moment so the boomers if you look at the mras they're

00:16:36.100 predominantly boomers and then if you look at migtails they're predominantly gen gen x and then if you 0.95

00:16:41.600 look at you know let's say the second half of gen x and the first half of the millennials were migtail 0.82

00:16:47.140 and now the zoomers that's where you're starting to see the black pill incel guys right so every

00:16:54.160 generation is kind of taking on a different value system when it comes to the manosphere okay so it

00:16:59.500 goes basically it started let's say the half the second half of the boomers and the first half of

00:17:06.020 gen x that's mras the second half of the gen xers this first half of millennials that's the migtail 0.98

00:17:13.340 sweet spot then now you're getting into the millennials uh the second half of the millennials

00:17:18.520 and the first half of zoomers that's where the black pilled incel stuff is coming in so as every

00:17:23.240 every generation kind of moves forward and like eventually disappears and stops being influential

00:17:28.360 that's dominant culture that kind of takes over so do you ever because i always hear trad cons say

00:17:34.620 we need to return to traditionalism do you see it ever coming back like is it possible no like

00:17:39.920 it's kind of like i don't know i i watched a couple of your videos i think you were talking

00:17:43.460 about orange pilling yourself about like bitcoin and stuff like that oh yeah i was very confused

00:17:48.800 those whole videos but yeah yeah there's all these pills right like but the idea is you know we used

00:17:55.100 to use gold as money and then we use now we're using paper money and then eventually we're going to

00:18:00.500 switch over to some kind of digital money so like going back to tradition at this point is not going

00:18:06.540 to work because a woman can pick up her phone even if she's sitting at home and she's traditional 1.00

00:18:11.500 and she can get all the attention she wants from guys on her phone so the only way that that 1.00

00:18:16.380 traditional trad con thing worked was based on the technology was a lot simpler back then right like

00:18:22.700 you you can't go backwards in time like you can't uninvent all these things uh okay because that was

00:18:28.540 kind of the red pill moment that i had was when um i started interviewing guys for the divorce

00:18:33.560 documentary and when i started i was like what are you guys complaining about i know some good

00:18:38.140 chicks until i kind of would meet the good not the good chicks but like the the husbands 20 years

00:18:44.220 later you know so like it's not like my the girls i grew up with are divorced or whatever you know

00:18:48.800 but and then i would i would realize there would be one like because i'm in london it's so diverse

00:18:53.440 there'd be one that was muslim one that was um you know british uh one you know and so it would be

00:18:59.940 like every single background it didn't even matter like it was the same patterns and i was like

00:19:05.820 but i kind of had the connect that social media like we're just so influenced i guess by social

00:19:12.920 media that it doesn't even matter where you're at in the world unless they ban phones which

00:19:17.900 i mean we'll probably still get them you know no i mean like afghanistan they're telling they're

00:19:22.500 like they banned phones in afghanistan but if you're a good fighter in afghanistan they'll give

00:19:26.060 you a phone so now like you have to understand phone is like a so it's it allows the social

00:19:31.180 the mind virus the woke mind virus to enter your brain without even realizing it okay and and that

00:19:37.140 woke mind virus like reprograms you to basically lower your fertility rate you know to you know to 1.00

00:19:43.880 watch like adult material to start talking to people and getting your dopamine rush on your phone

00:19:49.460 instead of human social interactions yeah and so it's literally rewiring the brains of the entire

00:19:54.780 species and nobody really like talks about this nobody really cares about it and wow i didn't

00:20:02.640 even think of that it's like a it's like a virus right like you have to understand like human beings

00:20:07.080 our social systems are are basically like computer code right they're just like data and they're you know

00:20:13.780 information so the more we the more we influence ourselves the more we program ourselves with certain

00:20:18.700 like technology the more we're going to adopt certain behaviors and so the only way you can get out

00:20:23.860 get away from it is to kind of like just shut it all off but you can't because you need it for work

00:20:28.120 and a lot of people you know you need to socialize with people so it's we're kind of stuck with it

00:20:32.560 yeah well because i even think about my dad doesn't have any social media and he's pretty i mean he uses

00:20:38.060 it but it's pretty limited and he he kind of hates where it's kind of funny because i'm so on it but he

00:20:42.860 like hates where the world is going um but it's like interesting because sometimes i talk to my dad

00:20:48.320 like some of his friends and i think like the way they talk is just like different like it's

00:20:52.760 interesting how even social media has almost influenced the way we speak to each other and i

00:20:58.020 can't really describe it like i i wouldn't be able to tell you like what's different i could just tell

00:21:02.080 you it is well our parents generation it's like they're they they're very limited when it comes they

00:21:06.840 still interact with people face to face they don't necessarily use technology they use technology to

00:21:11.300 keep up with their friends like they'll go on facebook and they might like send their friend a message

00:21:15.020 and like that's what that's the limited extent of their social media usage or they might use

00:21:19.600 something like you know like skype or they might you know they still want to like facetime people

00:21:24.200 they still want that but our generation's like i you know i i i just text people i don't talk to

00:21:30.480 people necessarily conversations are have become like a luxury for a lot of people face-to-face

00:21:34.880 communication so you're seeing an entire generation becoming stunted because they don't know how to

00:21:39.360 communicate face-to-face with other people wow and i had this i had this thought

00:21:44.900 too that it's almost like you know when you were a loser in high school you couldn't interact with

00:21:51.860 the popular people do you know what i mean but it's almost like i put it the pot it's like a weird

00:21:57.880 social dynamic where like people and i know it's very clear in women and dating but i was even thinking 1.00

00:22:03.220 of like the female influencers and stuff that which you know irony i wasn't popular you know shocking

00:22:08.880 but like um but the it's like weird it's like they even like loser people have access to like popular

00:22:17.060 people with social interactions so it almost like i'm sorry i'm like not communicating well no no i like

00:22:23.280 look it's like yeah i i people i do like coaching calls right so people are like you know they'll pay

00:22:28.280 me they'll do it we'll do a coaching chat and it's like they get access to talk to me right so

00:22:32.900 they get to pick my brain so now like it allows you to connect directly to people that you wouldn't

00:22:38.340 have had access to before yeah and so now that also changes um like the social dynamics because

00:22:45.840 you know if i want to meet experts in specific fields like you know i can reach out to someone

00:22:50.760 i'm like oh i want to talk to so and so about you know and i as as an influence quote-unquote

00:22:55.360 influencer i can ask i send them a message and i'm like hey do you want to do a podcast and they're

00:23:00.220 like yeah sure because they they see that i'm going to get them maybe a little bit of attention

00:23:03.900 or maybe they find what i have to say interesting and then that kind of allows me to access people

00:23:08.140 that i want to talk to and so we now have access to all these incredible people that we didn't have

00:23:12.860 access to before because we were all scattered throughout the world and we couldn't kind of

00:23:17.180 communicate like you needed to be in a city like new york or london right uh to actually have access

00:23:22.420 to the really cool people people used to have to go somewhere to meet all the cool people now you

00:23:26.400 could just go online and have direct access to them yeah you almost have a better shot i was

00:23:31.080 thinking you almost have a better shot at like dming a hundred celebrities with a good profile

00:23:35.980 than going to a high-end like club or something yeah like yeah exactly but the thing is a celebrity

00:23:41.080 is like what what people see as celebrities like older generations see them as like movie stars and

00:23:46.940 like musicians but we don't see that anymore we don't care like oh another actress that's all

00:23:51.560 washed up like we don't care we're like oh who you know who's on youtube and it's like the older

00:23:56.600 generation doesn't understand this that their influencers and their their idea of fame has

00:24:02.400 shifted and they don't they don't kind of understand that you know what was interesting um i met uh have

00:24:08.520 you heard of the d'amelios no so they're like the biggest uh and they're probably kind of they

00:24:13.800 they're probably kind of washed like i don't think they're as famous anymore but the daughter was 1.00

00:24:18.300 like the biggest um tick tocker like she had like 150 million followers and it was her whole family

00:24:24.360 um a couple years ago i had dinner with their family and it was so interesting to see how like

00:24:29.840 these influencers were like the most sought after people but even at dinner everyone was just on their

00:24:35.420 phones you know what i mean yeah so it's it's just interesting because it's like it even changes

00:24:40.240 family dynamics yeah i mean like people are just stuck on their phones all the time now and it's

00:24:45.400 like you know like you know i remember i don't know it was like five years ago uh my brother was

00:24:50.920 getting married and my cousins came from europe and my mother was freaking out at everybody she's

00:24:54.920 like you don't want to talk to anyone you're on your phones all the it's and like literally there

00:24:58.960 was this huge blow up because everyone was on technology but her and she felt kind of like

00:25:04.320 isolated because everyone was there but they weren't talking to her right so

00:25:08.380 so she doesn't understand this she's like everyone's crazy i'm like no the world has changed

00:25:14.540 like you have to stay with the program right like and and she couldn't she couldn't understand that

00:25:19.480 right she seems so sweet it's like oh this poor woman it's like what the hell's going on

00:25:24.920 um well yeah it's but but the thing is like it's the world changes and people just they don't they

00:25:30.800 don't keep up with it right like and and then all of a sudden they're like i have to learn all this

00:25:34.780 internet stuff and now the world is imposing all of all the stuff that it's it wants onto her and

00:25:39.540 she's not happy about that so oh yeah but yeah like you were saying go ahead no go ahead yeah

00:25:43.480 these influencers that you met like so you like you're saying that they were just they didn't even

00:25:48.200 want to chat with each other or anyone in the room they were just kind of busy dealing with their

00:25:52.340 social media because they were probably getting like inundated by stuff well and i was even

00:25:56.860 thinking back in high school um because i'm i'm 26 i'm almost 27 i was thinking about like going

00:26:03.300 to like a party or it was like bonfires when i was in high school and like people would take a

00:26:08.900 couple pictures for facebook and that was like it but i was thinking about how even like parties or if

00:26:14.320 you go to a get together now it's like these bitches have like photo shoots at the door i'm like 1.00

00:26:19.060 how many pictures do we you know what i mean and it's like you can't do anything without being recorded 0.95

00:26:24.560 and i remember thinking this um even before like i was on youtube or whatever and like you know people

00:26:30.340 do it for different reasons but like um i was just thinking how you used to be able to like hang

00:26:36.500 out with your friends and just do stuff but like there wasn't it almost like changes the interaction

00:26:41.320 of people because now there's always someone recording yeah it like a good example is like um

00:26:47.940 when i was 25 26 i went to the grand canyon and i have photos from the grand canyon of the crowds and

00:26:55.660 there were like maybe 20 people in a photo and like all like standing watching looking at the view

00:27:00.740 and then i have videos that i filmed like 10 11 years later and literally there's like a thousand

00:27:06.240 people there and everyone's taking a selfie and i'm like i was there taking photos on film on a film

00:27:12.620 camera and because that's i love photography that's something i've been involved in like 30 years

00:27:18.320 since high school so now everyone is like doing the stuff that i was doing like 20 or 30 years ago and

00:27:24.700 they're all like trying to like get attention for it and post it online and you know it's and you

00:27:30.400 know 20 or 30 years ago i was into star trek and everyone hated star trek like everyone's like this

00:27:34.900 is nerdy nobody and now everyone's like i'm like what are you doing so the culture is literally like

00:27:40.520 20 30 years behind and it's and then when it gets to the thing uh that that i was doing like 10 20

00:27:46.120 years ago it just like it completely destroys it it changes it right so it's kind of kind of

00:27:51.100 interesting so right now i see going forward i see fertility rates collapsing i see uh like the

00:27:58.260 sex is just refusing to talk to each other people just sitting on their phones completely atomizing 0.96

00:28:03.120 from one another no longer communicating with one another the ability for humans to interact is going

00:28:08.700 to decline rapidly so the humans can that can still communicate with each other are going to have

00:28:13.720 a massive advantage compared to everybody else and right now i like i don't know if you're like

00:28:17.860 seeing on youtube but there are so many new channels there's so many influencers like everyone's just

00:28:22.460 flooding into the space and you know even with like twitter everybody wants attention because we're like

00:28:27.540 an attention economy and now everyone wants like as many followers as possible they want to make a

00:28:33.220 living off of it they want to they want to get like as much clout as they can and so and i i see that

00:28:39.220 kind of changing into something else in the next five to ten years so like what's the next thing like

00:28:43.860 what's where are we heading after this like crazy social media thing and i think what's going to

00:28:49.060 happen is like people are going to start using ai to create their online profiles and personalities

00:28:54.320 and they're going to start like that's how they're going to socialize with the world so you know we're

00:28:58.300 going to have avatars we're going to have like like avatars that speak and look different than we do

00:29:02.660 and we're going to create as many of them as we can and compete with each other i think that's what's

00:29:06.700 coming in the next five to ten years you think five oh that's that kind of scares me oh my god well

00:29:11.840 there's already guys out there who are creating like uh ai girlfriends and ai personalities and

00:29:16.840 instagram influencers posting the pictures and collecting money from it so they're not even

00:29:21.160 yeah you're seeing that so that's just going to accelerate so what do you think will happen like

00:29:25.800 to influencers you think they'll go away because they have the ai instead well influencers will become

00:29:31.880 like for example if i wanted to create a profile if i wanted to create like some guy that looked like

00:29:36.740 a chad and i could put that up and i could i could basically talk and it would be like this

00:29:40.760 like like it would be that chad you know that crazy chad meme that they use but that guy just

00:29:45.220 talking and then everyone would be like oh my god that's the chad guy talking it's like but that's a

00:29:49.440 complete construct and i think people will follow avatars they're not going to follow individuals so

00:29:54.800 if you're an influencer now you'll have to like you could create other influencers and then promote

00:30:00.220 them and then you could have like a bunch of influencers that you control and they'll all say

00:30:05.360 different things and you could get ai to like write the scripts for each one of them and like generate the

00:30:09.980 videos and the attention will be even more concentrated to fewer and fewer hands i think

00:30:14.760 that's where we're heading um what so do you is there any way to like stop this revolution because

00:30:20.600 like when i'm hearing you talk this sounds really depressing but what's so depressing about it like 0.96

00:30:25.900 well and i've kind of i've kind of had the same like thoughts recently where i'm like oh shit birth

00:30:31.880 rate well because i'm like the birth rate collapsing is kind of depressing you know i mean like so what we

00:30:38.460 need to do we need to find alternative solutions so like i've been looking at this uh there's a

00:30:43.380 there's a couple you could talk to uh malcolm and simone collins okay they're uh they're basically

00:30:48.580 living in pennsylvania and they've they've i think they've got like three kids right now they want to

00:30:53.080 have like 10 or 15 kids and um what they're doing is they're select genetically selecting their embryos

00:30:59.480 they've created all these embryos and they're selecting which kids they're gonna like have based on the

00:31:04.380 qualities and traits of the embryo they're saying oh the embryo has these genes they're so they're

00:31:08.760 sequencing the genes of the children that are unborn and deciding which children to have so you've got

00:31:14.540 like hundreds of embryos they've all been implanted and then you're like picking which ones to have to

00:31:18.400 give birth to and so their their whole thing is like they're selectively they're selecting genes

00:31:23.920 they're basically doing in eugenics to some extent so this is the future people are going to start 1.00

00:31:28.700 selecting um you know they're going to start selecting which children they're going to they're going to

00:31:33.220 breed and which children they're going to have and they're also talking about building a culture

00:31:36.800 that's going to foster reproduction so this is kind of the thing we're working on and like it

00:31:42.460 doesn't matter what your culture is there's going to be multiple cultures that all compete with one 0.69

00:31:46.780 another as long as you start reproducing like my whole thing would be like i if i was going to

00:31:51.680 reproduce like when i first got into minktown my first thing was like okay like i can't be in a

00:31:56.320 relationship again so how would i reproduce and i'm like well i would hire a gestational surrogate i would buy 0.94

00:32:01.160 eggs from one woman i would you know basically hire a lab fertilize those eggs implant them into a 1.00

00:32:07.200 surrogate mother and then nine months later i have a child delivered to me and so that's how i would

00:32:11.760 reproduce i would have children through surrogacy uh but now i'm kind of leaning towards more like

00:32:17.680 if we allow it cloning because i think like if you clone yourself then all of a sudden you can you can

00:32:23.140 basically have you can raise yourself in a sense so there's this like uh continuity of love you

00:32:29.480 basically like i think cloning would appeal to a lot more people because people are becoming

00:32:33.860 increasingly narcissistic so cloning would kind of like feed into that it's like oh look it's mini me

00:32:39.300 right like you can you know you can just kind of raise a younger version of yourself and i like people

00:32:43.840 are gonna be like cloning is immoral and it's like it's against god and blah blah blah it's like

00:32:47.720 yeah but no one's having children i would rather there be a bunch of clones than no next generation

00:32:52.920 right right so like yeah i i kind of like cloning because it's like having a younger brother and also

00:32:59.260 having a son at the same time because it's technically like your younger twin brother

00:33:02.860 or younger twin sister see i hear what you're saying but it kind of makes myself like i kind

00:33:08.340 of feel sick thinking about that i don't know i don't know i'm just like a catholic so i'm like

00:33:13.460 i i understand where you're like there's no other alternatives if people aren't having kids

00:33:17.860 but well catholics like even most catholics are not like the population of catholics is falling

00:33:23.540 right everyone this is it's not it's not it's not a religious thing or it's it's this social mind

00:33:29.080 virus that's entering our heads and it's it's getting us to become more like selfish and self-centered

00:33:35.360 and we're not reproducing so unless like the only way to really the only way it kind of ends is with

00:33:41.220 a complete civilizational population collapse and then eventually the the systems that make us this way

00:33:46.940 collapse and then we can't rely on them anymore it's like they're saying like people who live in

00:33:50.680 cities they're moving from the countryside into the cities this countryside is depopulating

00:33:54.640 eventually the cities are going to collapse because there won't be anyone producing food on the outside

00:33:59.700 and the people in the cities are going to have to migrate back to the country or they're going to

00:34:03.280 start because there won't be anyone doing the work then we have ai coming in and if ai starts to do

00:34:08.360 all the work of the farmers and the people in the countryside then that's just going to get then the

00:34:12.500 population collapse in the end is going to get even worse so because like my my biggest

00:34:16.920 fear right now is ai starting to do the thinking for us right so people are going to get so lazy

00:34:21.560 like if young kids don't want to play video games they would just watch somebody play video games

00:34:25.220 now they don't want to write their own essays they get chat gpt to write their essays like soon

00:34:30.060 enough it's going to be like no one's going to want to do anything well and no one like no so wouldn't

00:34:34.660 that like so because the way i think about that i think of sewing right like people used to sew their

00:34:39.860 own clothes now they're like mass produced but if the people like we didn't have enough people to fill

00:34:45.260 the jobs that like mass produced the clothes but no one knows how to sew wouldn't that like be a 0.57

00:34:51.040 problem well they'll just they'll eventually just get 3d printing to click create the clothes right so

00:34:56.040 you know program the computer it'll print the clothes and that'll be it like you know so what you know

00:35:01.860 like my my um my cousin she's uh she's a fashion professor and her students come in and she's telling

00:35:08.820 me they're like first year second year fashion students they don't know how to sew and they're they're

00:35:13.520 students learning how to become fashion designers and she asked them like why are you here they're

00:35:18.340 like oh i thought it was cool to do this it's like but you don't have any skills you don't know

00:35:22.860 how to do anything and it's this lack of creativity in our society people are not creative anymore like

00:35:28.820 the music the films like the movie industry is like dying because there's no good script writers

00:35:34.260 anymore right so like people are like and this is going to get worse as ai starts to do the work

00:35:39.780 like it's gonna get brutal like innovation is completely stopped like i don't want to black 0.99

00:35:44.420 pill you but it's just like i'm seeing this happening on multiple fronts and i'm like like

00:35:49.160 you know i talk to young guys i'm like here do a workout and they're like this is hard i go yeah

00:35:53.280 this is the warm-up it's like this isn't even the workout yet well they don't go ahead no yeah like

00:35:59.140 i see that so it's making me kind of sad because i don't even disagree with you like because i had

00:36:05.120 this realization with marriage it's really i don't know it's funny because now i'm on the other side

00:36:11.380 of realizing that marriage is dead right and this is a sad realization to someone who grew up with

00:36:16.800 married parents you know and like and i'm not saying no one will get married but once you like

00:36:22.240 really start looking at the predictive numbers you're like wow this is bad and it's funny because

00:36:27.160 i see people on the other end of that before where they're still coping i had that and

00:36:32.380 yeah it's like not not good um but but it's like when i look at the numbers i'm like the birth rates

00:36:39.840 are declining none of us know how to do anything i could absolutely see what you're saying happen

00:36:45.020 yeah well i'm just saying it's going to accelerate as people stop thinking because it's like okay give

00:36:50.220 you an example like i used to do when i would travel back in 20 years ago there was no gps right

00:36:55.840 like there was no you didn't pull out your phone type in where you wanted to go and your phone would

00:37:00.180 tell you how to get there but back then it was like okay i need to get a map and i need to like

00:37:04.740 figure out where i am so i have to read the street signs and then i had to like figure out where i

00:37:09.120 wanted to go or like if i got lost i'd have to go to the gas station and ask somebody how to get to

00:37:14.040 the next part of my journey now everything's automatic you don't need like you needed a navigator

00:37:20.020 sitting in the car with you like to get to do a road trip it was crazy and now so everything is done

00:37:25.340 for you but that's good because you can do you could do a lot more you could travel more on the

00:37:30.020 road you could do more stuff that's fine but people don't they still do the same amount of

00:37:34.160 stuff they were doing before but now the technology is thinking for them so just imagine like more of

00:37:38.640 more technology doing more of the thinking for us and eventually it's just going to be like

00:37:43.060 everything will be done for us and people won't have to do anything and then that's when people get

00:37:47.620 an existential crisis right they get depressed because they're like they feel useless because

00:37:52.080 everything's being done for them and they don't know why they feel that way right they don't they

00:37:56.200 don't have any skills everything's being done for them and now they're depressed and all they do is

00:38:00.920 reach for like fattening foods and that's the world we're heading into like you can you can kind of see

00:38:06.160 that with the what happened with covid like like around here like older people they still maintain 1.00

00:38:10.920 their weight for the most part but younger people they like balloon they gain like 30 40 50 pounds

00:38:15.380 and you're kind of like well why are the younger people because the younger people are using technology

00:38:19.480 they're sitting at home more they're not they're not interacting with anyone else and that's why

00:38:23.980 they kind of gained all that weight do you see um like i'm just thinking in terms of sports and like

00:38:29.640 other i guess creative activities do you like um when i think of volleyball like 20 years ago to now

00:38:36.840 i'm just talking about what i know it's progressed do you think that you're going to see a regression

00:38:42.760 in the arts too like sports well you're already okay like let's let's take music for example like

00:38:48.920 how many really really like amazing artists have we seen in the last like 10 or 20 years like compared

00:38:55.480 to the 80s and 90s like we're not seeing that many artists like films films peaked out in the 90s and

00:39:01.540 early 2000s and that was it like now like these studios are like look at disney it's like failing

00:39:06.500 right like because the quality of the writing is getting so bad um so that's that's a progression

00:39:11.600 that's like getting worse and worse entertainment let's go ahead so do you think the demand for

00:39:16.280 creativity will increase then uh there the demand is always there it's just there's not enough people

00:39:23.480 meeting the supply like there's not enough people producing the content right now or the or they're

00:39:27.620 not producing high quality content so you know that's that's what's really happening like you're not

00:39:32.840 seeing like people want good content they want to be entertained but if something is boring they're

00:39:37.880 not going to watch it right right well i'm just wondering because they say ai and um technology

00:39:42.780 kills creativity but i'm wondering if you'll ever see like a demand for it come back because then what

00:39:49.800 what do you think then people would learn how to like write better and do all that stuff because

00:39:54.780 like no one else can well here i'll give an example like i write every day for the last 10 years i've

00:40:00.500 written the equivalent of six pages a day so if you took everything i wrote which i have all saved in

00:40:05.860 text files it's like literally the equivalent of like 110 or 20 like 200 page books so like it's just

00:40:12.560 a lot of written material right that's a lot of stuff and then if somebody you know people a couple

00:40:16.660 years ago started copying my material they would take my video they would put it into um like voice

00:40:22.740 to text and it would copy everything i i i said and then they would put it into another voice synthesizer

00:40:28.640 and then it would just repeat everything that that i typed up in another voice and then they would

00:40:33.320 upload it and they would monetize it and they would collect money off of my content and i complained

00:40:37.740 to youtube and youtube did nothing about it they're like well you have to prove that this is your video

00:40:41.620 it's like these are my words like they're literally just taking my words and repackaging them

00:40:45.620 so basically the creatives are gonna get robbed that's what's happening right because it's like imagine

00:40:51.060 if i can just go through my entire back catalog of 3 000 videos and just copy someone's 3 000 videos

00:40:56.820 and in another voice add an avatar saying it so what what incentive do i have to create a content

00:41:03.000 if i'm just going to get robbed every time i don't have an incentive i can't make money because

00:41:07.520 everyone's stealing my content and making the money off of it well is there anything like um

00:41:11.980 okay because you basically you can't stop technology right no so because that's what i always hear like

00:41:20.400 trad cons we need to go back we need to go back and you can't go back um like could you do you

00:41:27.640 think countries like afghanistan will be able to successfully keep technology away from the general

00:41:33.440 population no because they're already giving their like military heroes phones once you give them a

00:41:40.160 phone it's over because now they have the internet and once they get the internet the mind virus gets

00:41:44.860 in and their culture starts to fall apart so it's it's insidious it changes you very slowly you don't

00:41:50.980 even realize it okay so so so so the next step so like we're let's say we're at like 1.3 1.4

00:41:57.420 replacement fertility so the next thing that's coming is going people are like oh artificial wombs and 0.99

00:42:02.660 sex bots it's like well like i think that i think that like augmented reality like which like apple

00:42:09.060 hololens is coming out next year so imagine you put on your hololens and now there's like a stripper

00:42:13.620 dancing in in your bedroom if you're like a teenage boy and you're like oh like i can see this

00:42:18.240 you know interactive woman they're like dancing around like so that's going to like why would 1.00

00:42:24.160 you have a relationship when you can have a different like right like generated stripper in 1.00

00:42:28.840 your headset every day and then imagine now sex bots imagine uh like you know i've basically been

00:42:34.580 working on something like what i call the virtual sex system which allows you to have sex remotely with

00:42:39.460 another person through like a doll and through technology and like all that kind of stuff so

00:42:44.700 that's going to change things even further because now people will be like you know i can just pay to

00:42:50.360 have an encounter with someone directly through the internet why would i go out and go to a restaurant

00:42:55.240 why would i you know why would i all this stuff so you're gonna get you're gonna start to see like

00:42:59.920 sex will become more convenient and the sexual technologies are gonna like get more complex and

00:43:05.400 that's gonna break down relationships even further and family formation and so that then that will get

00:43:10.560 us below one fertility so that's gonna so let's say every following generation is 40 percent the size

00:43:15.760 of the previous one and as technology gets better it's gonna get smaller and smaller going forward

00:43:19.780 okay so basically the the trad cons like not like all of their return to tradition is like a cope

00:43:26.880 there's nothing that can be done really okay so the best example of this that i kind of read into

00:43:32.860 was what happened when rome was collapsing so you had people who believed in like the the gods in

00:43:38.360 their temples that you know like the the main religion that was the religions that were the the most

00:43:42.760 prevalent at the time and as rome started to collapse a lot of people the the trad cons of their day they

00:43:48.860 went back to things called mystery cults that was like christianity what christianity is today with

00:43:54.620 the mystery cults back in ancient rome but the group that survived were the people who went further

00:44:00.280 into the future they went into christianity they adopted this new social technology of christianity

00:44:05.140 and they were the ones they were able to reproduce and they were able to like move forward christianity

00:44:10.300 was the new social technology at the time so right now you know the trad cons are the mystery cults

00:44:16.780 the the woke feminist leftists are the mainstream and now we've got to move forward into something else 1.00

00:44:23.280 we have to have this new thing that we can kind of plug into that's going to allow us to

00:44:28.180 reproduce out reproduce those other groups and move into the future okay so like i'm not being

00:44:34.300 depressing i'm trying to like say we have to evolve we have to change we have to find something new

00:44:39.380 and and the way you see that happening is loaning um and basically it's going to be a number of

00:44:45.800 different strategies so like like right now like the only two groups that are out reproducing everybody

00:44:51.280 right now are like uh orthodox jews and the um the amish oh really i was gonna say i thought africa

00:45:00.080 well africa is still out reproducing but africa's yeah yes it's it the woke mind virus is is getting

00:45:07.100 into africa and as yeah as a society makes as a family makes over five thousand dollars a year

00:45:13.440 that's when fertility starts to collapse so the moment african prosperity rises and the incomes 0.88

00:45:19.800 go up that's when the that's when the fertility rates are going to crash so give you a good example

00:45:24.040 i work with the jamaican community and i do a lot of jamaican weddings and like i work with musicians

00:45:29.680 from jamaica and their fertility rate is below replacement too so and they're very traditional

00:45:34.580 as a society they're like you know the baptist churches that they they go to and all and even

00:45:39.220 they're below replacement so everything is falling it doesn't matter it's because they're prosperous

00:45:44.720 because they have money once you have money you're like well i don't i have a good life now why do i

00:45:49.560 need to have these children i don't need them to work on the farm i don't you know i don't live on a farm

00:45:53.620 anymore so it's like all that you know all that kind of stuff it's funny when you're talking i can

00:45:57.700 like hear your videos sometimes like i could like hear the do you use a voice over thing or no i just i

00:46:05.640 just talk kind of weird and just to kind of throw people off but like my normal voice people are like

00:46:10.860 i want i want you to do all your videos and i was like no because i script everything and then when

00:46:14.680 i read it i read it in a certain way so that like i can edit it all together yeah i'll just hear like

00:46:21.080 bits of like your your video voice i'm like oh there it is so is your is your prediction that the

00:46:27.340 amish won't survive either because they're like the the people in in rome that that we're saying to 1.00

00:46:33.400 stay the old way well okay okay the amish are like a community within a community so like the

00:46:39.320 amish are you know if you ever went to like amish country in pennsylvania and stuff yeah so you see

00:46:44.620 the like most of them they don't believe in electricity but they have the natural gas tanks

00:46:48.880 next to their house so there are still like people working in gas fields that are providing them the

00:46:53.620 gas right if if the amish were just there and there was no one else around them they would have to 1.00

00:46:57.760 have a military they would have to have a government they would have to defend themselves

00:47:00.900 but they're relying on the outside culture to protect them so once that outside culture starts

00:47:05.840 to fall apart and disappear they're on their own they're going to have to change and they're going

00:47:09.540 to have to become more complicated and when they do that they're going to lose their like their amish 1.00

00:47:15.460 qualities that they have because they're going to have to evolve because oh so it's if you don't

00:47:20.420 evolve then you don't have the technology so you can't compete as a civilization no and if you if

00:47:27.220 you evolve then you start to become like you start to have urbanize you start to become more and then

00:47:34.800 eventually once that happens your fertility rates collapse so you know so like that's why like people 0.98

00:47:39.780 like do you think we've ever had technology like this before and we just like maybe the civilization

00:47:45.980 collapsed or something well it's not about the technology it's about like urbanization and it's

00:47:51.880 about like rome ancient rome collapse the fertility rates collapse there why did they collapse because

00:47:57.220 people were prosperous like once we become affluent and once we have wealth and of a certain level and

00:48:03.400 comforts of a certain level we just start getting lazy so what we have to do is we always have to

00:48:07.660 keep challenging ourselves but it's hard to challenge yourself when everything is more becoming more and

00:48:12.900 more convenient you have to willingly take on suffering and you have to willingly sacrifice for the future

00:48:19.440 oh my gosh i had this thought okay i had this thought about how like it's almost like when you

00:48:29.400 cook versus when you order food like cooking almost gives you like a better mental and i can't describe

00:48:35.140 it but it like it makes you like mentally better almost like it makes you more well you have to be

00:48:41.060 disciplined right like you have to you have to pay attention to like the temperature you have to pay

00:48:44.920 attention to like the procedure and you have to like you're like i'm bored of this i have to cook

00:48:49.600 something like i i've been dealing with like um like health issues that i've had to deal with and

00:48:54.820 i've had to eat a very regimented keto diet for the last five or six years so that means i don't eat

00:49:00.640 sugar i don't eat carbs all i eat is like fats and protein and i eat like leafy greens meat uh olive oil

00:49:09.660 and i have to do that every day to consistently keep my health at a good place and so when i cheat

00:49:14.940 i get almost like problems like within the next few days so i have to like be very very regimented and

00:49:20.400 when people see how i eat they're like i can't eat like this i'm like yeah because it takes discipline

00:49:24.840 and that's the suffering i'm talking about you have to push put yourself through something like hard

00:49:30.700 to actually suffer to get to the to something better on the other side and so you know like when i cut

00:49:37.020 out sugar i was shaking for like a month i had like sugar withdrawals like carb and sugar withdrawals

00:49:42.500 and that's what a cocaine addict would go through once they cut out you know not cocaine like whatever

00:49:46.600 drug addict would cut out their drugs that's how you feel with sugar as a as an addiction so i've

00:49:52.080 been trying for this like hits home i've been trying for years years that's like the one i'm addicted

00:49:57.600 you've been trying to get on a keto diet or not just you know but just um maybe not be so addicted

00:50:02.760 to sugar that's like my i love dessert that's like my thing but it's not just the sugar in

00:50:08.420 in like uh like in like sweets but it's also sugar in uh bread like bread is sugar tomatoes are sugar

00:50:16.600 like like any fruit is sugar all of that like i had to cut all of that out so you know my problem

00:50:23.680 was like i'm losing too much weight how do i keep the weight on like i was i was like scared that i was

00:50:28.020 gonna like die of like malnutrition and like what too much weight loss so i had to like i pumped up

00:50:33.180 olive oil and if like ancient societies they would eat a lot of oil olive oil like the greeks and the

00:50:37.480 romans and that's what their diet was based on and that's why one of the reasons they were so healthy

00:50:42.100 is because they would not eat carbs they would eat fat and fat basically our body can run on fat or it 0.99

00:50:47.380 can run on carbs it's like the difference between like sugar is kind of like regular gas and like

00:50:53.240 premium gas would be like fat do you um so do you think there's like are you of the thought

00:50:58.700 because i'm careful with my words but basically there's like a thought on youtube and among

00:51:05.160 conservatives that there's like elites behind everything that this is their plan to like

00:51:10.100 depopulate the earth do you think that's something that happens naturally or it's like an agenda

00:51:15.760 well look i don't know if you've ever heard of the most utopia experiments no have you kind of

00:51:21.600 run into that before no no i don't know it okay so there's a social scientist uh dr calhoun back in

00:51:29.280 the 19 i think it was like 40s 50s 60s he created these rat and mouse utopia experiments where he put

00:51:34.220 these mice and rats into this like environment that he built and he would put like they had all the

00:51:39.560 unlimited food they could eat they had all the water and they had as much space as they wanted in

00:51:43.840 there and what happened was the populations boomed at first and they were all kind of like they were

00:51:48.780 like the urban mice they were given like the easy life and the population exploded at first and then

00:51:53.980 once like things got too easy they started becoming like abusive towards one another and like all the

00:52:01.300 same problems we're seeing in our society right now is pretty much what's happening in urban cities

00:52:05.840 happen to these mice in the calhoun experiments and so the elites they're saying some people are saying

00:52:13.080 the elites decided that they were going to shove everyone into cities so that they could kind of

00:52:17.220 reduce the population but the problem is i think if the elites really plan this it makes sense because

00:52:22.900 if ai starts to replace humans and does all the work that we don't need 80 or 90 percent of the

00:52:27.980 population because 80 like the world will get on the work will get done by technology robots and ai

00:52:33.820 will do the work and you won't need this massive population and we'll be able to save all their

00:52:38.760 resources for coming generations so i i see this as a as a net positive but in the meantime it means the

00:52:46.400 economies are going to shrink it means that there's going to be a lot of suffering when it comes to

00:52:50.220 um you know deflation like the population is going to deflate economy is going to deflate

00:52:55.620 why that's why i like bitcoin why why do you see less people as a positive when i when i kind of

00:53:01.040 went on this journey of like red pilling one of the first things that i kind of red pilled myself on

00:53:05.900 was like peak oil and like i i as a child i went to like cuba and i saw what happened when they

00:53:12.360 they ran they didn't have their oil supply i went to former yugoslavia back when in the 90s when they

00:53:17.400 didn't have oil and i saw what happened to an economy that didn't have enough energy and how

00:53:22.120 people were hungry and societies were falling apart and like people are like oh we're never going to

00:53:27.160 run out of oil i'm like yeah but the oil is getting more and more expensive so eventually it

00:53:32.180 gets the point where the average person can't afford the oil price anymore they can't afford to drive

00:53:37.200 so and then the quality of life starts to go down and the only way to kind of keep the quality of

00:53:42.260 life up is to keep the supply there for everyone and if you have a bigger growing population you're

00:53:46.780 going to start running out of energy you're going to start running out of basic materials topsoil

00:53:51.500 like water aquifers you basically think that if if the population gets bigger and bigger and bigger

00:53:57.900 then we're going to be limited on resources and even if we or the resources will become so expensive

00:54:04.420 that it's a lower quality of life yeah it's it's like okay give me an example back in the early 20th

00:54:10.040 century you could spend one barrel of oil drill a hole in texas in the ground and you could get 100

00:54:15.520 barrels back so that's your energy return on energy invested now like if you go to the tar sands your

00:54:21.100 energy return on energy investment is like four to one five to one so you got to put one barrel in to

00:54:25.920 get four or five back once it drops to a certain point like once it drops you put one barrel in to get

00:54:31.200 one barrel back then there's no point in getting the oil out of the ground anymore because it's too

00:54:34.780 expensive right back in the day we used to just drill holes in pennsylvania and ohio and oil would

00:54:40.040 bubble up out of the ground now we have to build giant platforms in the gulf of mexico right and like

00:54:45.900 deal with hurricanes and things to get like oil it's deeper and more expensive to pull out of the

00:54:51.200 ground so it just gets more and more progressively expensive until we start to run out of these things

00:54:57.180 entirely and it's not oil is not just about driving like your car is made of plastic that's

00:55:02.420 oil your your toothbrush is made of oil your computer is plastic everything plastic around you

00:55:09.240 all of the hydrocarbon energy and materials are being fed like in through industrialization like

00:55:15.340 your shirt if you're wearing like any acrylic mixed shirt or clothing that's made of oil everything's

00:55:19.860 made of oil so you know food your food is transported with trucks that are oil you know pesticides

00:55:25.240 and you know like uh fertilizers are made with natural gas right so like everything is made of

00:55:30.420 fossil fuels even renewables are made of fossil fuels so the only things that are truly renewable

00:55:35.860 would be things like hydropower and you know those things only make up like 5 10 15 percent of the energy

00:55:42.800 so if we reduce the population by like 80 or 90 percent then we can have a sustainable civilization

00:55:48.420 but people go ahead are you religious you're not religious right um i would consider like i used to

00:55:54.500 be very orthodox christian i used to i used to go to church every sunday well and it's it's funny

00:56:00.540 because i actually hate when people ask me this in interviews but usually it's like a debate but um

00:56:06.840 i'm more curious because um i don't know this it's this is so anti like you know i'm catholic that

00:56:13.120 it's like making my i don't know this world is like that you're describing is so i don't know

00:56:18.840 like it's giving me like the ick well like this stuff is happening like you can't you can't stop

00:56:23.540 this i know right like but you have to understand like um like i like i also do work as a wedding

00:56:29.460 photographer and videographer so i go i do a lot of you know i do bar mitzvahs too and so i go and i

00:56:34.180 i i go to like temples and shoals is really shoals and i also go to like catholic churches orthodox

00:56:40.660 churches i'm shooting another wedding tomorrow like southern baptist jamaica it's like i see

00:56:46.760 like there is in in religion there is like i don't know how to really describe it but i feel

00:56:51.540 like a sort of spiritual energy when i enter a church or a temple and it like i've had what

00:56:57.140 people would consider religious experiences and so like i i definitely think that something is going

00:57:03.900 on like i don't know i can't i can't really describe like is it god is it the holy spirit

00:57:10.280 like what what is there's this energy that i feel and um like i definitely think it's there and it

00:57:17.600 exists and i've had experiences that you know like i said people would be like oh that's a religious

00:57:21.760 experience you you experience this i'm like yeah but you're telling me what i experienced based on

00:57:25.960 your perspective you're not open to it and saying i don't know what this is i'm going to keep an open

00:57:30.680 mind until i figure out what it is so i don't know why you're asking about the religious thing or

00:57:35.520 just kind of you you you're you just kind of want to stay with tradition or you're just kind of

00:57:40.300 i don't know sorry i don't know um i'm more i guess curious like like do you do you think that's

00:57:46.500 i guess there's no stopping it i just wonder if there's gonna be it seems like whenever like we

00:57:51.700 play god as a society like there just seems to be complications that come with it you know what i

00:57:57.720 mean so like when we're messing with like reproduction when we're like um what you were describing like

00:58:02.840 the eugenics like picking the embryos or whatever but why wouldn't you do that like why wouldn't you 0.95

00:58:09.320 right now i don't know i don't know okay so like malcolm and simone malcolm and simone what they did

00:58:14.080 was they took they took her eggs out when she was in her early to mid-20s she's now in her mid-30s

00:58:19.160 so they have all these young eggs that were taken out at a young age and then they fertilized them and

00:58:24.360 they kept them and now they're so the egg so like imagine you going in and getting uh your eggs

00:58:29.600 extracted now and putting into storage for later so you could have healthier children and you could

00:58:35.220 pay a surrogate so you wouldn't even have to carry the child yourself you you could pay for a nanny and 0.98

00:58:39.660 then the nanny you wouldn't have to raise your child yourself you could afford that too so like

00:58:43.840 technically you could you could out reproduce everybody else but elon musk is doing this now

00:58:48.940 elon musk strategy is like have as many babies as possible but that's not the point the point is not

00:58:54.060 to have 20 children because the the real issue is will those 20 children have children of their

00:58:59.840 own and if the woke mind virus gets to those children then they won't reproduce so it's not

00:59:05.080 just about you reproducing it's about making sure that the generation after you also reproduces that

00:59:10.560 there is like a um like a constant um like continuity that you know so there's a culture that these

00:59:17.860 children kind of fit into that yeah that promotes reproduction yeah so so elon musk having all these kids

00:59:23.180 it's like even one of his children became transgender and like he's i think that's one of the motivators

00:59:28.180 for him to buy like twitter and make it x right because he saw that that it was affecting his own

00:59:33.000 children and he's like i gotta do something about this yeah giving me a lot to think about this

00:59:37.360 interview yeah there's a lot going on it's it's really fascinating so that's why like i reached

00:59:41.820 out to malcolm and simone and like yeah like we we just threw these crazy ideas out there and they

00:59:46.960 want they want we want as many crazy ideas as possible because eventually one of the crazy ideas is

00:59:51.680 going to work and it's gonna like um there's a show called foundation and in the show the emperor

00:59:57.960 of the galaxy there he's a clone so every generation there's a new clone that kind of takes power and

01:00:04.600 he's being raised by a mother who's um an android and so like that's when i got the idea for like the

01:00:12.000 cloning thing i was like wait a minute this actually works like if you if you if you raise your younger

01:00:16.380 if you raise your younger version and it and then that version takes over for you then that's

01:00:21.880 actually a pretty good thing because there's a continuity there's a culture you're building

01:00:24.920 something with continuity yeah imagine we could clone clone like trump or like i'm a well imagine

01:00:30.300 i'm a trump fan imagine imagine that imagine you're the clone number 20 so there's been 20 versions of

01:00:36.060 you before so like and you can go back and and you can look at all the versions before and see what

01:00:41.120 they accomplished and then be like wow like clone number five i can't believe all the crazy stuff she 0.81

01:00:46.820 did that's incredible right and so you're gonna like remember if you have children within three

01:00:51.480 three generations the children won't even know who their great grandparents were because they never met

01:00:55.940 them right but if you have 20 generations of clones 20 generations into the future you're the clone is

01:01:02.080 still going to look back 20 generations back and see what the clones did so that's there's this

01:01:07.220 continuity and connection to the past right so and you'd be like and then you're also going to feel 0.89

01:01:13.060 like oh fuck like if i don't do something going forward like with my life then i let all these other 0.96

01:01:18.980 clones down right so there's there's more pressure on you like people are cloning their pets right now 0.99

01:01:24.100 like um there's a couple documentaries i saw online in south korea like people are ordering animals and

01:01:30.120 they're like they're getting the copy sent to them like you know a few months later so it's kind of

01:01:34.100 really interesting i have to i'm sorry you've given me so many ideas i'm like i have to like

01:01:38.400 think about everything you said you know i'm an idea factory right like i'm just trying to i'm trying

01:01:42.600 to i try to find all these things and i'm trying to figure out how we can kind of move forward as a

01:01:48.240 society civilization do you do debates ever uh i don't do them i'd be open to them i don't have

01:01:55.220 an issue we want to start getting panels together soon and i just think it would be so interesting

01:02:01.800 to see you on with like a trad con or something just because you guys are so i don't want to say

01:02:07.320 opposite but like imagine you a trad con and like a liberal a good combo you see the thing is people

01:02:11.940 people kind of fall into silos like they get into this like entire worldview and they sit in the

01:02:17.380 worldview and they refuse to like change their point of view like i'll give you like one good thing

01:02:22.680 about jordan peterson is he's he's a trad con for the most part but once in a while he like breaks

01:02:27.480 out of it and he starts to think about things and he's like oh no like what are we going to do like

01:02:31.780 he was talking about sex robots and ai so like ai girlfriends are now becoming popular and then he's

01:02:38.240 like well what happens in 10 years or 5 to 10 years when ai girlfriends and sex robots are combined 0.99

01:02:43.320 what's that going to do to the society i'm like oh you that's going to collapse fertility rates below one

01:02:47.900 like that's going to destroy marriage permanently so we have to figure something new out and he's

01:02:53.540 like i don't know what what that means i go you know what it means it means that traditionalism is

01:02:59.240 over it means that like everything is about to change the human race needs to evolve yeah and it's

01:03:06.000 scary even um even when i don't know if you saw i've been in like a twitter war with the daily wire

01:03:11.000 i don't know if you've seen it they've been like yeah i like people were mentioning that to me

01:03:15.720 before like a couple people i talked to about uh going on with you today they're like oh just be

01:03:20.280 careful there's like this like thing going on with the daily wire and something about nick fuentes i

01:03:25.160 can't remember what something something was going on oh that was like almost a year i did not realize

01:03:30.280 no no they're just like they're just like you better be careful and i'm like come on like i'm like

01:03:36.860 like like i've talked to all kinds of people like like it's i don't really care like whatever i'm

01:03:42.720 pretty easy going no i meant um but i was debating because i just had this thought that

01:03:48.740 it's kind of irresponsible to tell men to get married young with the criminal justice system

01:03:54.480 being the way it is um and like the divorce laws and like having kids like not that men like

01:03:59.640 shouldn't do it but i just think you kind of got to tell them what they're signing up for and i don't

01:04:04.340 think most young men are really aware um at least that's what i gather when i i interview these guys

01:04:10.520 that are like ruined in divorces they didn't really know what they're signing up for and so i was kind

01:04:15.800 of so go ahead i i think it's kind of clear this like the idea of young guys getting married like

01:04:21.940 i've been i promoted the idea that young guys should date and have long-term relationships

01:04:25.800 you know like do that even even if you're going your own way do that like when you're in your early

01:04:30.680 to mid-20s that's a good time to do it you know because you know women are the most attractive 1.00

01:04:35.500 if they like you for who you are when they're like 20 25 then odds are they're attracted to you

01:04:41.020 they're not with you because of any other reason that's a good time to do it but young guys their

01:04:45.160 testosterone is falling so quickly their testosterone rates are dropping by two and a half three percent

01:04:49.860 a year so they don't even have the the desire to have sex anymore right and people are like

01:04:55.680 why like what's wrong with these young people like why don't they want to have relationships it's 0.77

01:04:59.900 like because their testosterone is collapsing and they're not physically strong and that's from the

01:05:03.900 lack of doing like hard stuff well it's a combination of things it's like yeah it's it's a it's a lack of

01:05:09.520 physical labor but it's also the foods that we eat the plastics and the water the the birth control

01:05:15.400 pills and the and the water supply the you know all this stuff and it's it this drop in testosterone

01:05:21.420 is accelerating so it's it's bad like you know like the average 20 year old now has the testosterone

01:05:28.480 of a 60 year old like 40 years ago so like by the time they turn 40 they're going to be like

01:05:33.600 80 year olds like with testosterone if not lower so and infertility is getting going up and up so

01:05:40.700 eventually the only way humans will be able to reproduce is going to be through artificial

01:05:45.200 technology so having sex and reproducing will not be viable if the sperm counts keep falling so we're

01:05:51.120 going to have to use technology to reproduce one way or another if we want to maintain our like

01:05:55.460 industrialized way of life well and there was there were studies that said like the back in the day

01:06:01.620 like in hall i was i think holland or the netherlands they they they interviewed uh military

01:06:06.740 aged men and they they checked their sperm counts back in the 1950s and they found that the men who

01:06:12.580 watched television more had lower sperm counts so it's either they were they were sedentary they

01:06:18.100 weren't doing as much physically so their sperm counts were like half of what the other men's

01:06:22.260 sperm counts were so yeah a lot of it is just lack of physical activity and also like i know people now in

01:06:27.600 their 30s and 40s that have cancer that are dying of cancer and they're like this would have been

01:06:33.720 unheard of 20 or 30 years ago but it's people are just eating really bad food and they're becoming

01:06:38.520 extremely uh they're they're living extremely sedentary lifestyles they're walking they're

01:06:43.420 exercising they're not doing anything yeah it's like like and this is before covid so you know people

01:06:47.340 are like oh it's a conspiracy with co it's like no this is happening before that i was gonna say

01:06:51.260 about jordan peterson though um yeah i i was i kind of my conclusion which is a little different

01:06:57.960 than yours was that we really aren't gonna see marriage rates come back until you switch the laws

01:07:04.400 now i'm thinking that wouldn't even fix anything no because people are getting their their their

01:07:09.960 attention and their dopamine like from from porn and from technology like like uh what do you call it

01:07:17.080 like their phones right so like there's a there's a interesting um psychologist sam vaknan uh he's one

01:07:23.720 of the foremost authorities on narcissism and he says like he's like he'd sit there in an airport and

01:07:28.080 he'd see this like hot couple in their 20s and they're sitting there and they're not even talking

01:07:32.800 to each other they're just on their phones like to them they don't even exist to each other they're

01:07:36.480 just they're they're getting more dopamine from their phones than they are from each other and if

01:07:41.080 that's if that's the peak of attractiveness and sexual beauty and they're like more interested in their

01:07:46.740 phones than each other at that age it's like we can't out compete that like the dopamine you get

01:07:51.200 from the phone is way more than you can get from a relationship so and that's just gonna like atomize

01:07:56.960 society and people are gonna like separate more and more so marriages can't survive when everyone's 1.00

01:08:02.460 on their phone it just doesn't work and then but even the people that put their phones away the

01:08:07.580 issues their kids are still growing up in this society yeah like i mean yeah i grew up before like

01:08:12.780 before the internet and when the internet came in like you know i was early generations of adopters

01:08:18.440 and i always use the internet to like communicate with people and then connect to them in the real

01:08:22.340 world these younger people they don't see the real world is real the internet is more real than the real

01:08:27.880 world to them so they live their primary existence in cyberspace and then their secondary existence is in

01:08:33.820 the real world so it's kind of hard to like build relationships when all of your relationships

01:08:39.420 your primary relationships are online right like how how do you you can't like you're stuck you're

01:08:45.180 you're like world is online and you're like yeah that's your world so how do you have a marriage

01:08:50.280 on the internet unless you marry someone on the internet like maybe you have an internet marriage

01:08:55.000 maybe that's something you should try like i i met a guy that did that he was married and he didn't

01:09:00.280 meet her ever yeah so let me let me let me propose an internet marriage between you and me like we'll have a 0.73

01:09:05.720 an online wedding ceremony you're kind of depressed we'll walk down the virtual aisle how's that you

01:09:13.020 know you have all the guests are sitting there virtually like and ever that's that's that's the

01:09:16.820 whole way it'd probably be a big turnout to be honest oh it would be the first internet wedding in the

01:09:21.800 world right like wow i'm like and our goal would never to be to never meet but only have an online

01:09:29.640 relationship and that would be our entire marriage we would we could have children virtually through you

01:09:34.320 know we could have like a like a ai child that would basically like need attention the the eugenics 0.99

01:09:40.180 people or whatever the they they say i have good stock i don't really know what it means but they're

01:09:45.540 like that crowd is like pearls like good stock good like you know you could get you could get behind a

01:09:50.580 i guess horsey cow and plow the fields right that's what they mean right no i said i think they have

01:09:55.500 like something about red hair being like good to them i i don't get it it's not my thing but i guess

01:10:00.860 they like the redheads yeah i mean i love i love the criticisms that are like levied against you

01:10:05.860 people are like oh like pearl like she's just not the traditional beauty i'm like like who cares like

01:10:12.400 that's your criticism like that she doesn't live up well yeah i was like i was trying to be hotter

01:10:18.560 like i can't help no but the thing is your your appeal your appeal is the fact that like you know

01:10:24.880 there's all these things like you're probably seeing these memes on twitter and they're like

01:10:28.260 oh like the mid the guys want the the woman that's the mid they don't want the super high attractive 1.00

01:10:33.000 super high attractive woman they want the average woman and i think that's what that's that appeal is 0.77

01:10:39.460 what has led to a lot of your success because you you're approachable right like guys who see these

01:10:45.180 like super hot hot influences and they're like i can't talk to her like she would never talk to me

01:10:49.960 i i don't i don't i don't i couldn't see myself with someone like that so all like the it's like

01:10:54.940 the more beautiful you get like in terms of traditional like beauty standards the less appeal

01:11:00.840 you get because guys start to turn away from that because they see it as superficial right

01:11:06.580 so i was the i was the i should thank my parents then thank you mom and dad

01:11:11.140 there you go um well this is probably the most thought-provoking interview i've done in a while

01:11:19.020 it's and i really think that it's kind of depressing me because i don't think you're wrong

01:11:23.820 like that's the worst i don't what is depressing you about it is it just the fact that things have to

01:11:29.160 change or like like what what is depressing about it this is what i i think it's exciting because all

01:11:34.440 these new things are happening and the world is changing and it's good i don't know i just i kind of

01:11:39.520 i don't like the idea of like you know i'm a catholic and i wouldn't you know i'm not like a

01:11:44.960 diehard or like a you know they always try to like have me measure it or whatever but i don't know i'm

01:11:49.960 like a normal catholic and i just i feel like sometimes when you're playing god i i don't know

01:11:56.920 it's just like bad and so i just don't like all this technology where you're literally like playing

01:12:02.480 god i think the idea of like a virtual relationship sounds really depressing um yeah so i i don't i

01:12:09.480 don't think like that world sounds like good to me but who knows maybe people think the world i grew

01:12:14.380 up pressing you know like of the past well i'll give you an example so back i don't know like a few

01:12:19.280 hundred years ago if you had a gallstone removed like the surgeons created like gallstone procedures

01:12:25.160 to take the gallstone out you were in pain and the the church was complaining about this they said

01:12:30.320 like this shouldn't be allowed operations shouldn't be allowed on people because you're taking god's

01:12:35.460 souls away from god you have to just let these people suffer and die right and people were like

01:12:39.980 though this is crazy all we have to do is do this like surgical procedure remove the stone and the

01:12:44.500 person is perfectly fine and so that's that was a technology that pissed off the church because

01:12:50.040 it it basically made people live longer right so new technologies always piss off the past the past

01:12:58.060 groups because they don't understand they it's almost like they don't want things to get better

01:13:02.260 they want to stay where they are because change is difficult right like they want to they want to

01:13:06.720 kind of be stuck but do you do you think it's better like a virtual relationship like testosterone

01:13:12.200 levels dropping being like everyone's getting fat does that sound better to you okay it's not

01:13:18.840 better but i i look at like all of these things like i look at the knowledge base we have

01:13:23.720 and like for me i've i'm thinner now than i was when i was in high school yeah i've you know i have

01:13:28.520 all this technology of all these access to all these amazing doctors online that i never would

01:13:32.860 have had access to like 20 years ago so it's improved my life but for the majority of people

01:13:37.780 they're just addicted to fast food and they can't stop so you see it as the people that like want to

01:13:44.400 use it in a good way will and the people that don't won't yeah so the people that are like

01:13:49.940 keeping up with this are actually like benefiting but the majority of people they don't have the

01:13:56.680 time and they don't have the motivation to do anything new and original they're just lazy most

01:14:02.120 people 99 of people are lazy unfortunately that's just the way it is and like you can't like how do

01:14:07.680 you motivate people like you know like i know people spend they go and see tony robbins and they

01:14:12.240 spend like thousands of dollars to motivate themselves they feel great for a couple days and then they're

01:14:16.640 like i need another motivational speaker right and it's like to motivate yourself you have to motivate

01:14:21.480 yourself not you don't you know you can't rely on other people to motivate you you have to just do

01:14:25.740 it yourself yeah and like you know christianity says to keep your wonder be like a child like if

01:14:32.160 you if you lose your wonder and your ability to like be creative and curious then then it'll it'll

01:14:38.160 consume you the negativity will consume you the laziness will consume you i would love i would love

01:14:43.500 to see you bounce idea i can like think of like five people i would love to see you bounce ideas

01:14:48.180 off of huh no if you want me to bounce off ideas like there's an interesting podcast i need i think

01:14:54.580 you need to check out it's malcolm and simone collins i was talking about them okay uh you should

01:14:59.960 definitely try to get them on as well because they're they're fascinating like every like i can't

01:15:06.020 watch all their videos because every video i watch like literally red pills my brain in some

01:15:10.920 creative way and i'm like oh my god that's mind-blowing and i'm like oh there's another

01:15:14.860 video tomorrow i'm like i can't watch another video just i'm still digesting the stuff they

01:15:18.560 told me yesterday do you like okay do you think i was thinking about um how women police men's

01:15:24.700 speech i think you had a video on that do you think that'll ever like because we always talk

01:15:29.280 about freedom of speech and i i believe that really all these limits on speech is just women 0.91

01:15:36.100 telling men how to talk yes and it actually really irritates me because i feel like i take a lot of

01:15:42.740 heat in these spaces and i don't bitch or what i might like make jokes or whatever but like i'm like 0.99

01:15:48.120 all these chicks just it's like they want to be in a man's world but they won't take what comes with 1.00

01:15:53.160 it just bothers me to my soul it's like then go home go to the kitchen well what happened was

01:15:58.280 the internet was the first time men really had um well men had men's spaces back in the day women 0.99

01:16:04.860 infiltrated them they invaded them they changed them like there's a video i did a long long time

01:16:09.360 ago called uh i think women invading male spaces it was one of my first videos and how women shut 1.00

01:16:14.820 down coffee shops because they didn't want men talking to each other in coffee shops wait really 1.00

01:16:19.780 yeah women like the whole uh like feminism rose out of the temperance movement and temperance was 1.00

01:16:25.760 basically women banning alcohol because they wanted to shut down bars because men would go hang 1.00

01:16:30.320 out at bars together so it was always about policing males talking to other males and you know there was

01:16:35.760 another one there was a bachelor's club in new jersey an article like back in 1920 21 um i found this

01:16:43.300 article a while back and it was like women were shutting down this bachelor's club because it was 1.00

01:16:47.140 all men who were like divorced who were like getting together and talking about how bad women were

01:16:51.900 and this is in 1921 and so it was like mig town club back in 1921 and these women were like 0.97

01:16:56.760 yeah like there's a there's an article that came out like i just discovered this and they literally

01:17:01.680 one one guy one of the members was a police officer and they went to his like police station

01:17:06.320 and they said did you know that your sergeant over here is going to this men's club and you know you

01:17:10.120 shouldn't allow this and blah blah blah so this is this is nothing new women have been policing 1.00

01:17:14.120 male spaces and behavior for hundreds of years it's just that when once it got on the internet

01:17:19.020 it couldn't be stopped because now men could be anonymous they couldn't be shamed and women

01:17:24.340 couldn't police it so my my prediction was okay there's they're going to get into like google and

01:17:29.860 youtube and they're going to start policing it that way and that's not going to work because men 0.98

01:17:33.980 will just find new groups online and then now women are getting into politics and now governments 1.00

01:17:39.480 are starting to go after people so the canadian and the british government have passed like hate

01:17:45.020 speech legislation so now they want to start going after like anonymous men that talk about female

01:17:50.120 nature and so women are like they're using whatever tool they can to stop this like because 1.00

01:17:55.480 they don't want the men to walk away from and go off the plantation they want them on the plantation

01:17:59.960 right so this is this is how women evolved like to make sure that they control the social aspects of 1.00

01:18:08.280 society and men control like the physical aspects of society the physical world and so those two things 0.98

01:18:13.740 would kind of counterbalance one another and now those things are out of whack because now men 0.99

01:18:18.280 have their own social spaces that can't be fully censored or if they get censored men just go

01:18:22.740 someplace else and so it's like you have to play a game of whack-a-mole and if you remember this game

01:18:26.640 called whack-a-mole where the moles pop out of the ground you keep hitting the moles and they just

01:18:30.860 keep coming up and they never stop they just get faster and faster until you lose the game and that's

01:18:34.880 where we're at like now with like governments and women trying to censor because men will just get 0.91

01:18:40.100 vpns and they'll access something from like another so you can't stop this like the the red pill is out

01:18:46.160 there it's never going to be stopped uh so how do you as a woman control men and male behavior 1.00

01:18:51.880 you can't right and and you're not and like most women are not going to change their behavior to 1.00

01:18:57.220 suit men i mean some are now that's why you're seeing like the trad wife thing kind of popping up

01:19:01.240 but the problem with the trad wife thing is it's a luxury most people can't most women can't afford 1.00

01:19:05.920 to be trad wives because the cost of living is so expensive well right so and like what i realized 0.99

01:19:11.600 with the trad wives is the issue is you're going to have the same problem like women when we get 1.00

01:19:16.380 power we just kind of suck with it i don't know what it is like um i like because i just started 0.56

01:19:22.780 interviewing like i don't know i think the divorce documentary kind of black filled me a little bit

01:19:28.080 because it was like have you put that out yet or are you still working on that i'm i'm still working

01:19:33.840 on it it's probably the next like six months i i there's so many ideas i want to go over and i'm just

01:19:40.020 trying to i'm having a hard time you do such a good job of making everything concise i tend to go

01:19:46.000 on tangents a little bit too much and i've been trying to figure out a way to like make it shorter

01:19:51.460 if that makes sense and like more concise i've i've i've given people like i've basically promoted

01:19:57.400 youtubers like uh think before you sleep is one of them like he's he's pretty big um and like i kind

01:20:03.820 of promoted him on my channel in the beginning i gave him some ads and i also gave him some advice

01:20:09.020 and i said like he's like how can i get more views and i said like just write everything out

01:20:13.100 script your videos because if you start writing you start it changes the way you think because you

01:20:19.260 start using less and less words to get points across because you don't want to write as much

01:20:24.100 you're like well i want to get this point across but i don't want to sit here right all day so how

01:20:27.400 can i get this across in like you know a paragraph and so the more you write the more your brain is

01:20:33.140 going to start using less and less words to get the point across and so but people say oh you write

01:20:37.500 too much it's like well that's what helps me think yeah yeah so if you started writing stuff

01:20:42.700 down or if you had like a team of writers or somebody like if you had a writer's room right

01:20:46.880 like and they could just write things concisely for you yeah then that would allow you to kind

01:20:51.100 of clarify the points a lot better yeah because right now i have so much content i filmed for it

01:20:56.180 and i'm like how do i put this shit together like i i'm so i'm such a like creative that i'm a bit 0.78

01:21:00.940 of a scatterbrain so i'm like no that's that's fine it's just you have to kind of like what are 0.94

01:21:06.480 you trying to accomplish with it i think that's the biggest i'm more i more just wanted to like

01:21:11.800 the the documentary is going to be about me like kind of trying to figure out why men are walking

01:21:16.900 away from marriage and just go over like what i found so i want to i kind of want to go over like

01:21:22.080 um just how the false accusations um the balance of probabilities how they expand the definition of

01:21:28.900 things um and i'm trying to go through like each one of those and then give examples of like and

01:21:34.860 then then i want to show like the men that i've interviewed that have been like affected by this

01:21:39.740 sort of thing um but that sounds like an mra documentary that was made about seven or eight

01:21:46.260 years ago now uh by cassie j the it's called the red pill yeah i've seen it i've seen it yeah um

01:21:52.880 yeah i i think mine would be a little different because i'm trying to um i i i feel like actually

01:21:59.060 i don't know maybe it will be similar i i haven't seen that in so well you're interviewing guys who've

01:22:03.420 been through the divorce court ringer right so and this is that's exactly what she did right so

01:22:07.680 yeah it's like if i was making a documentary like i my whole thing was i wanted to make a migtail

01:22:12.320 documentary interview the migtails that were the most prominent and that were out in the open like

01:22:18.080 so you know terrence pop there was another guy out in calgary he didn't want to go on camera because

01:22:23.040 he didn't want his family finding out oh terrence is terrence is so nice actually i think i've met

01:22:27.820 him yeah he's a really cool guy yeah yeah have you done anything with him yet um no i met him when i

01:22:32.720 was a lot smaller he went to the cme i think donovan's thing if it's the guy i'm thinking of but

01:22:37.820 i just met him yeah he was at that yeah yeah yeah so he's he's got some interesting like war stories

01:22:42.840 and stuff you should definitely try to do a collab with him on his show like that's actually pretty

01:22:46.940 good those are pretty they're a lot of fun yeah i'm going to the cme next or like in two weeks so

01:22:52.260 i'm i'm assuming he'll be there i was going to interview but uh there was another guy vention

01:22:56.340 migtail he passed away like a while ago um but like i wanted to interview the migtail guys and

01:23:01.880 just kind of make a documentary about it but the the problem was uh they didn't either didn't want

01:23:07.820 to go on camera or there just weren't enough of them that were willing to do it so and and again

01:23:13.640 it would just draw a lot of attention and here's another thing if you make a documentary it's hard

01:23:19.140 to monetize because if you put it out there people are just going to copy it and like share it online

01:23:24.640 so it becomes a lot more difficult to like make money i know people who made documentaries and they

01:23:30.500 went bust because they spent so much on the documentary and they didn't make their money

01:23:33.660 back so like i don't think that's going to be an issue for you but i'm just saying like a lot of

01:23:37.580 people are like that's kind of how how they have to think about it so writing books making movies

01:23:43.100 is not as lucrative it's more of like a prestige thing now as opposed to just like a thing that

01:23:49.320 people do to to make money yeah i don't know i haven't i haven't gotten that far yet i've just

01:23:54.780 started the interview um yeah but like it's like my whole thing would be like like if i was making a

01:24:01.060 documentary now i would be like trying to figure out how do we get the fertility rates up how can we build

01:24:06.480 a new social technology that will like keep the society and civilization running like how can we

01:24:12.800 how can we stabilize society from and have it not collapse like that's what i would be trying to

01:24:18.320 focusing on and i would be interviewing people like social scientists and people who are worried about

01:24:23.340 it and then like and then i would work in the whole like men aren't getting married thing and why

01:24:27.640 aren't men getting married and why aren't women having children younger and like what's going on and

01:24:31.920 that kind of stuff that's i think that that that that documentary would be a lot more like

01:24:38.080 forward thinking yeah people would be like like i would interview like i would go to like israel and

01:24:42.800 i would interview like orthodox jews i would interview the amish i would like figure out why amish is on my

01:24:48.960 list actually go ahead i would like already know the fertility rates for the um for the mormons are

01:24:56.160 falling below replacement right so utah's fertility rate is going below replacement so if they can't

01:25:01.960 make it like and they're like one of the most religious groups and that's the thing like who's

01:25:07.060 gonna make it right i would interview like malcolm and simone and like go to their house and i'd be like

01:25:11.500 interviewing them and i'd be like okay how do we create a new social technology that's going to get

01:25:15.740 fertility rates back up right and i that's what i would be searching for i've honestly before this i kind

01:25:21.260 of thought that women shouldn't vote was the answer but you've changed it's not you've changed my 0.72

01:25:26.060 perspective a bit sandman yeah like the whole women shouldn't vote thing that was something 1.00

01:25:30.100 like take women's rights away that was something that turd flinging monkey talked about back like 1.00

01:25:34.700 five six years ago and everyone was like oh my god that's so wrong like i don't think women's like 0.99

01:25:39.500 my whole thing is i don't want women's rights to be taken away i want everyone to have their rights

01:25:43.940 but i i think we can solve this problem where for the most of society most of history men and women

01:25:49.260 had to sacrifice for their children if the the solution would be one where men and women wouldn't 1.00

01:25:54.900 have to sacrifice for their children but they would still have children and every the children and the

01:26:00.060 parents would be happy everyone would be happy or not even happy but content to kind of and free to

01:26:05.140 kind of all come together in some way like that that would be the ideal right and so that's kind of

01:26:10.760 what we'd have to strive for like that's the outcome we want we want men to have rights women to 1.00

01:26:15.360 have rights we want children to be like raised properly so they have children and that they're

01:26:19.680 well balanced how do we get there right and then we start we're looking at examples of societies that

01:26:26.220 have done that and then we look at like how how we could create that right like how we could like

01:26:31.540 malcolm and simone are fantastic because they basically say you know they're they're now thinking

01:26:36.000 of like selecting their embryos that they're going to implant based on the likelihood of those embryos

01:26:41.420 having children of their own based on the like the predetermined genetic behaviors that they could

01:26:45.980 find like they want to they want to be able to map that out so they just want to take this further and

01:26:50.600 further along so yeah i'm just i think we there's there are ways to solve this but they require a lot

01:26:56.120 of work and they thought require a lot of thought and it's not it's not easy like if it was easy

01:27:01.360 somebody would have done it by now here i thought it was women shouldn't vote was the answer 1.00

01:27:05.440 they're really good huh look this is i'm still selling those t-shirts though i'm gonna be honest

01:27:11.060 yeah the shirts are gonna sell like hotcakes because everyone's gonna believe it but but like

01:27:16.340 i'm saying like you gotta look five or ten years forward and say okay how where is this gonna go

01:27:20.300 in five or ten years and like you know you're pulling out my videos from like 10 years ago and

01:27:24.920 everyone's like i was reading through the comments so like how did this guy know this what was gonna

01:27:28.520 happen 10 years ago today and it's like because like you can you can see like the future is already

01:27:35.520 here it's just not equally distributed yet so you have to find the people that are on the cutting edge

01:27:40.420 and that's where that's where the society will be in 10 years from now so finding the people that are

01:27:45.840 like riding the edge of change those are the people that you kind of have to interview those are

01:27:49.800 the i think those are the people for a documentary would make the most sense malcolm simone collins

01:27:54.640 so you said it was yes yes i'll look in so they've got a chance they've got a channel called

01:27:59.220 based camp like again like you're like i'm intense for you they're intense for me and i'm like i can't

01:28:05.860 like if i watch i listen to one of their videos i'm just like holy cow like there's always a point

01:28:10.940 somewhere around the 20 minute mark where i'm just like it blows my mind away like and um they're

01:28:16.560 having it like they're gonna have a retreat in uh costa rica i think next year so i'm i'm probably

01:28:21.520 gonna go to that like i don't usually do appearances but i'll probably go to that i'll be

01:28:25.020 like i see a guy that says based camp chris that's not them no it's the channel is called based camp

01:28:30.380 so and they have uh there's they've got all kinds of really interesting experts on there too

01:28:35.120 so there's ayla i can't i remember she's like basically this like snm woman she basically uh maps 1.00

01:28:42.180 the sexual marketplace out and like she she basically collects like all kinds of data she was 1.00

01:28:47.100 like a former uh working girl and so she's got a lot of experience with men if you know what i mean

01:28:53.200 and so she kind of is an expert on that so and she's got all kinds of data she's been collecting

01:28:58.980 so it's kind of really interesting and you know they talk about ai they talk about fertility they

01:29:04.100 talk about talk about all kinds of stuff and it's like malcolm is just like an idea factory like it just

01:29:09.720 it just keeps coming out right so can be worse than thoughts i'm gonna have to do reactions to them

01:29:15.880 okay what do you mean trad wives can be worse no i just was reading i'm looking at the place you said

01:29:22.000 and yeah based camp let's see their topics yeah like it's like it's really rich dense stuff and like

01:29:28.980 malcolm's like he says he's like lucky with simone because she's on the autism spectrum and so he is he's

01:29:34.880 like it's not like uh having a relationship with uh with an average like ordinary woman it's because

01:29:41.460 he's having a relationship with somebody that's more cerebral than you know than the other women 1.00

01:29:46.940 out there so let's see what what are they doing so they should find autistic women well yeah like so 1.00

01:29:52.140 imagine you could select traits for imagine you could select daughters with autistic qualities

01:29:57.560 because here's the thing like for me if i was able to get into another relationship i would i would

01:30:02.460 want to be with a woman who um was more into what she was doing than she wasn't to me because i would

01:30:08.780 find that whenever i'd get into a relationship the woman would be more interested in policing my 0.99

01:30:12.500 behavior than she'd be interested in what she was doing so i'd want to be with somebody creative that 0.83

01:30:17.280 would spend it would be an introvert so they'd spend more time alone and they would be working

01:30:21.600 on their own creative endeavors as opposed to like like constantly smothering me in a relationship

01:30:27.040 because that would allow me to have space and allow them to have space yeah and we could come

01:30:32.480 together occasionally but the problem with that is people who are really good at what they do

01:30:37.120 obsessively compulse over it all the time so they there's no time to kind of have a relationship

01:30:42.200 that's the problem because if you want to become an expert in your field you don't have time for

01:30:46.160 relationships yeah that's the problem it's interesting that's like the one thing i get

01:30:50.220 asked all the time if i'm autistic and i i find it a little and it hurts my feelings a little bit i'm

01:30:55.340 like what the why do you why why do you see it i don't know i just i'm like why do they keep asking

01:31:00.500 me this i get that a lot though i don't know i don't know why but like i don't know you just

01:31:05.960 i don't know you just i don't you wouldn't think it's a compliment you know well okay but

01:31:11.160 that sounds really rude because i'm not trying to be mean but it's just i don't know you know

01:31:15.800 but the people who like the internet was created by people who were on for themselves so they could

01:31:20.740 communicate with one another like this is the thing like people who succeed in social media

01:31:25.600 like more than everybody else like for example when i communicate with people um if i sit in a room

01:31:33.260 and there's like two or three other people i get overwhelmed because i'm thinking about like

01:31:37.440 what's everyone thinking what's everyone feeling what's everyone saying and i get into what i call

01:31:42.100 analysis paralysis where i'm like i can't talk anymore because there's too much information there's

01:31:46.960 too many people when i'm talking one-on-one um and if i'm not making eye contact then all i'm doing

01:31:52.580 is focusing on people's words and i'm not focusing on body language i'm not focusing on anything else

01:31:58.900 and then that'll like so autist autistic people and people who have on the spectrum they their

01:32:05.160 ability to focus on one particular thing is really good but if you give them too much information

01:32:10.140 then their ability to focus gets overwhelmed and they can't focus anymore so it's just your

01:32:14.980 autistic autistic people are just hyper focused for the most part so that's not a that's not a bad 1.00

01:32:20.120 thing in this world being hyper focused is good because you can become an expert in your field

01:32:24.880 so there's nothing wrong with like being on the spectrum like like not a full-blown autist right

01:32:29.860 like but i'm talking about like somebody that's got like um that's on that spectrum that's like

01:32:35.360 that has a little bit of those traits yeah so i get it i don't as far as i know no i just i just

01:32:41.480 get asked that a lot so i'm like huh but why did they say why they think that or no no no i've just

01:32:47.840 had i don't know i think three different people say that to me so like recently too so i was like

01:32:54.420 what do people keep asking well look you do the same thing every day like i don't i don't think

01:32:59.520 i don't really see you taking any breaks you work every day right uh sunday sundays um okay we'll

01:33:05.840 we'll record extra and like post it on like sundays yeah exactly so you're basically every day you're

01:33:12.060 pumping out content so like to be in this space for a really long time you have to be hyper focused you

01:33:17.800 have to be you have to focus on the same thing over and you're talking about the same things every day

01:33:22.900 and the problem is most people can't do that they get bored and they say oh i can't talk about the

01:33:27.640 same thing longer than a few months i get tired of this i want to do something else and i do i am

01:33:32.360 bored of the shows we're kind of phasing those out because i just you ever tried was it just

01:33:36.700 complicated bringing guests in and stuff like that or no um it's more just like one the type of

01:33:43.580 and and people think we like cast for this or something it's just random people but you just get

01:33:48.760 so many like crazy chicks that you just kind of get really tired after you do it for a while

01:33:53.700 and then it is kind of a lot like booking when they're coming and going it's just kind of easier

01:33:58.680 to sit and like do one of these you know not that i actually i did it for a year and a half so i like

01:34:03.600 i enjoyed it but it's just it's kind of tiring you know yeah you can't keep up forever right yeah

01:34:08.500 yeah and i'm like i just rather give my opinions or do i don't know talk to like smarter people no

01:34:14.600 offense to be guessed some of them are smart but well it's just it gets to the point where it's

01:34:18.480 like um the more intelligent your conversations get the like it might actually be detrimental to

01:34:25.780 reaching a wider audience right because you're gonna get people that are gonna be like i don't

01:34:30.600 want to talk about complicated things it's making my head hurt right i want to just see some like

01:34:35.100 thought like on fresh and fit like yelling on the camera right like so i mean that there's i think

01:34:41.560 there's a certain amount of appeal to just kind of like getting you know bad behavior on camera

01:34:47.100 that people want to see like and that's what the majority of people will kind of focus on but if you

01:34:52.620 really want to make change in the world like you have to become intelligent enough to um influence

01:34:59.420 the influencers and so like if like if i influence people like you and other people and then they go off

01:35:07.580 and they make they get hundreds you know hundreds of millions of views and then they influence other

01:35:12.500 people and then it's like a domino effect and then it just keeps going out and out and out and

01:35:16.960 eventually the society changes and uh you know like i've been thinking about this for a while and then

01:35:21.820 a few days ago malcolm basically said oh like how do you measure influence like how does somebody

01:35:27.780 measure influence like you know that right now they're going after russell brand they want to cancel

01:35:31.440 russell brand but where is russell brand getting his ideas from right and and that's those are the

01:35:36.880 influencers those are the real people behind everything and the establishment doesn't see

01:35:41.460 those other people all they see is russell brand and they go after him right and they don't go after

01:35:45.700 anyone else and i'm like well if they knew who the actual influencers were like they would be going

01:35:50.260 after us like massively like they'd be like the thought leaders they want to go after the thought

01:35:55.860 leaders because what you usually see is the i call them like the credit police where because what i

01:36:01.760 found was like kevin samuels was like a major influencer and i know like five guys in the

01:36:07.080 space that take credit for like what he did and this happens to me too sometimes where like people

01:36:12.840 i don't even watch say that i'm getting it from their show like like if you said that that would be

01:36:18.340 fair like i like you see me literally watching your stuff but it's like funny because some influencers

01:36:24.260 like think it's them and i'm like i don't even i haven't watched you in like three years

01:36:28.480 you know what i mean um but it's um it's interesting because i i feel like there's two

01:36:33.980 types of people like there's the type that kind of realizes where they're at and try to leverage it

01:36:39.240 and the other type like kind of gets mad you know and that's where you see all the infighting

01:36:43.240 you know well it's it's all like where did this idea come from who's who does this idea belong to

01:36:48.220 yeah and this is this is like pettiness and it's like okay look i i'm i will give credit to where

01:36:54.400 i get ideas from i don't care but i will also try to add my own ideas and thoughts to things

01:36:59.380 right i think that that's like you have to stop and ask yourself like what do i think of this like

01:37:04.780 you know like forget about what other people are saying i've i've i've listened to what other people

01:37:09.280 have said now what do i think you know and that and that was something that was like a gift that i

01:37:14.000 got from this uh girl back in in my 30s that basically said like it's great that you're consuming

01:37:19.060 all this content and you're just regurgitating everyone's words but what do you think and i

01:37:24.200 thought i stopped for a second i said wait a minute i have a right to have my own opinion

01:37:28.580 what like and i just kind of like then i started thinking for myself and then i started putting

01:37:33.400 things together for myself and observing things and commenting on them myself and i think once you

01:37:39.880 can start doing that then you become an idea factory because you start seeing what everyone else is

01:37:45.400 um like you start to see everyone else's blind spot and and that was that was one of the reasons i

01:37:49.880 try not to consume too much content because then other people's ideas pollute my way of thinking

01:37:54.400 i need to just see an idea and and objectively think about it without having other people's opinions

01:38:01.320 getting involved so like when i see something happening i'm like well i immediately i'm like i'm not

01:38:07.460 going to go to you know tim cast to hear what you know the panel has to say i'm just going to sit

01:38:12.900 and i'm going to think about this myself because sometimes i will reach a conclusion that's

01:38:17.120 different and then i can add that to the discussion and bring something up that no one has brought up

01:38:21.660 before well that's how um you know the the crowder video like stephen crowder yeah yeah well which

01:38:28.220 video the the like abuse accusation one you know i'm talking about uh did that happen recently no this

01:38:35.720 was a couple months ago where everyone was saying he was an abuser okay so it was like um like six

01:38:40.460 months ago stephen crowder had um uh basically like everyone like candace owens reported a story

01:38:46.840 of a ring camera from his house um that was like leaked of him like yelling oh this is with his wife

01:38:52.940 and all that stuff yeah yeah yeah but it was like i feel like i had because of like my background in 0.93

01:38:58.380 the divorce documentary i was like i know what this bitch is doing i know i'm like i do not buy it 1.00

01:39:03.060 but it's like i wouldn't have had that point of view if i didn't like do the documentary if that 0.62

01:39:08.660 makes sense um yeah i mean right now i think things have swung in in the opposite direction

01:39:14.040 like for the longest time um you know it was always like women abusing men in like divorce courts 0.99

01:39:19.220 and stuff and like the false accusations and now there's actually evidence to support that a man is

01:39:25.340 being like bad even when the man will self-incriminate people still won't believe it like the guy will

01:39:31.180 say like i you know i did this and i did that it's like no he's not an abuser he's not a trafficker but

01:39:37.920 he's like but he's telling you that he's trafficking these women and you still won't believe it it's

01:39:42.560 like oh it's just the media making up lies i'm like that's the andrew tate thing is the best

01:39:46.680 example of this well i took it out because andrew tate andrew tate says you know like i got these

01:39:52.960 women to fall in love with me and then i brought them in for my webcamming business i'm like that 0.98

01:39:57.080 is the definition of trafficking if you look at the law right he's like what it's wrong to to make

01:40:02.540 people fall in love with you it's like well if you're exploiting them sexually yes that's what

01:40:07.540 the law says and you're you're self-snitching and you're creating yourself honestly the way i looked

01:40:12.940 at that though was like okay come on when you hear human trafficking you think like you're stealing

01:40:17.960 women you know yeah that's kind of why i had i had that point of view because i'm like okay

01:40:22.920 so that's not real human traffic like that's just a big l that's kind of the way i look at it i'm like

01:40:29.060 look okay but like that is an l big l like i would be very upset but like l but i just i think

01:40:36.280 like if you if you choose to do it like no one put a gun to your head so there's a there's a great

01:40:41.480 uh there's a criminal lawyer that's another interesting guess you might have is uh bruce

01:40:45.860 rivers he's a criminal defense he's great yeah so he talks about all this tate stuff all the time

01:40:51.920 and it's like i i did i thought okay they're probably making stuff up about tate and then he

01:40:56.560 literally goes through the case and he's like this is what he said this is the definition of

01:41:01.560 trafficking he therefore he is guilty and he's saying it on camera and you know that this footage

01:41:07.000 is going to be brought up in the trial they're going to have it in court and he's self-incriminating

01:41:11.180 and he's going away like him and tristan tater going away for like 20 years i think they're

01:41:15.960 going to get off you think they're going to go to jail i think they're going to get off i don't

01:41:19.740 look i don't know but i think i think that like they've broken the law based on the way

01:41:25.620 the law is defined like i like i think i think the real issue here is what like if if men can

01:41:31.800 exploit women sexually but you know women can exploit men sexually and through marriage and 0.68

01:41:36.980 divorce and get away with it but men can't do the same to women and that's what i think 0.92

01:41:41.820 andrew tate was doing he figured out female nature and then he figured out ways to exploit 0.99

01:41:45.480 female nature for profit yeah just the way that women would exploit men for profit except there 1.00

01:41:50.620 are laws to prevent men from exploiting women but there are no laws preventing women from

01:41:55.400 exploiting men and the fact the laws reward women for exploiting men well and i think that's the

01:42:00.560 bigger argument here i think that's really the issue well and my my thing was i'm like how the

01:42:05.420 hell did you get an ex-boyfriend to let you to convince you to do cam work i'm just like okay like

01:42:11.260 well look he's he he basically had like okay so they were all they were all figuring out that this

01:42:16.600 guy was smart he was going places so they figured like if i just hook up to this guy i can let him

01:42:22.160 like i can ride this train on ride his coattails all the way to success and on top of that he found

01:42:26.900 young women like the one woman i think he had kids with uh i don't know who's vivian or the other 0.99

01:42:32.060 one i can't remember the name of there but she was like 15 when they got together 16 right so he would

01:42:37.320 find women that were extremely young and impressionable and he would bond with them

01:42:42.580 so he figured out okay if i bond with the woman in the late teens wait is that the one pressing 0.98

01:42:46.760 charges the vivian they have a kid the vivian one is no the vivian one i think is in in the uk but he

01:42:52.200 has another one that he got together with vivian one was like a stripper i'm like what the we're

01:42:56.660 fighting for a stripper i don't know but he's i know the one he got together with was like 16 or

01:43:01.520 something like he was just like barely legal and that's the one like he basically controls right

01:43:07.060 so that's that's i don't know that's kind of what i've what i've like heard it from like yeah but 0.98

01:43:12.160 i'm just like what we're stupid at 16 i was 16 like i don't know it's not about being stupid it's 0.95

01:43:18.800 about bonding right like if you're with somebody at a young age as a woman you will bond with them 0.99

01:43:24.200 more likely than if you get older right so like well oh i totally agree i just say it's an l

01:43:30.040 like i just i just think like come on you're gonna you pick to do can't like okay at 16 you

01:43:35.800 decided to hook up with a multi-millionaire he got you to do cam work and now like i just i don't know

01:43:42.740 but she bonded with him and like again he would prey on these girls that were straight out of high 0.90

01:43:48.020 school like a lot of the ones that were just straight out of high school because they could

01:43:51.300 still bond with the guy right so i think that that's part of the the strategy that they use like

01:43:56.400 there's all these videos of him talking about his strategy and that strategy is sexual exploitation

01:44:02.360 it's not trafficking like the traditional definition of trafficking like you mentioned

01:44:06.620 yeah but it's a definition that has to do with right like sexual exploitation yeah coercion and lying

01:44:13.160 to basically uh sexually exploit someone which is what they're what he's doing right yeah i just

01:44:19.700 i just kind of look at those all as like feminist words like and this is just kind of how i see it 0.53

01:44:24.840 where it's like you got all these words to just make like to me it's just like the chick made a 0.87

01:44:30.560 stupid decision i'm not saying what he did was right but i'm like you know when i was 16 i was 0.97

01:44:35.220 playing volleyball these chicks decided to go do cam work for a multi-millionaire people make 1.00

01:44:40.700 different choices you know like what he would do is he would go on instagram and he would contact

01:44:44.960 girls that were straight out of high school and then he would fly them out and like woo them

01:44:50.360 get them drunk and then convince them right like that's what he would do well like in my head i'm

01:44:55.100 like you chose to go like like this is just this is just how i think because i'm like but that's the

01:45:00.760 same thing as like saying well you as a guy you chose to marry her so now you're stuck getting

01:45:05.500 divorced and divorce raped well i was done well i you know i would somewhat agree if the guy like i don't

01:45:11.500 really see it as the same thing because i just i think back to myself at 16 i'm like i wasn't doing

01:45:17.780 that stuff so why are you guys like where are your parents in this like why are you why are you

01:45:21.960 guys getting on a plane to romania yeah well they're he's more looking for the 18 year olds yeah but the

01:45:26.980 16 year olds is the one he he made a relationship with right so that's like you know i think that's

01:45:32.300 kind of weird but it's like it's legal it is weird it's legal right it's like yeah yeah so you know

01:45:38.840 i'm not i'm not here to say like that's a good dating decision but do i think it's worth human

01:45:43.740 trafficking i i would disagree you know but but based on the legal definition it fits right that's

01:45:50.340 well that's all that matters and that's the right well that's the they just expand but that's like

01:45:55.180 the same thing as like you know when i hear these guys that like get um you know emotional abuse

01:46:00.780 accusations i'm like i i guess technically it falls under it but like you know what is nagging nagging is

01:46:07.600 emotional abuse i i know this is my this is my point though i know this is my point it's like

01:46:13.740 so they expand the definition and then they kind of got you on the men and some of them are doing

01:46:18.840 sure immoral stuff and i'm like like do they deserve 20 years for human trafficking i would argue well you

01:46:26.120 know look it's i i agree with you like i he's he's playing the system he's playing these women who 1.00

01:46:32.580 would have played some other guy somewhere else but like they also recognize that he's influencing

01:46:39.100 a lot of young guys and they don't want that so that's one of the reasons they're also going after

01:46:44.580 him so yeah this is like it's like like they probably would have slid if he hadn't become so big

01:46:50.380 right like this never would have happened yeah so it's a combination of things right like so now

01:46:55.580 they're like digging up every man's past it's like you know how how do i know that somebody's you

01:47:00.400 know it's it find out finds out who i am and then goes back and asks ex-girlfriends like did he do

01:47:04.600 anything and they're like yes he did it's like but i didn't do any of that well prove it and then all

01:47:08.680 all of a sudden i'm going away for 20 or 30 years off of just like somebody's false accusation that's

01:47:14.280 ridiculous right yeah with zero proof just he said she said that's it i think i think that that's a

01:47:20.360 completely different story right like and so the like right now they went after danny masterson he's

01:47:24.660 going away for life and who knows what's going to happen to russell brand i think they're gonna there's

01:47:28.820 gonna be a court case for that probably so they're gonna go after him case well the the the uk

01:47:34.300 government the police have already begun the investigation now danny masterson is that the

01:47:39.520 that's the guy who was on the 70s show he went away him i covered him for 30 years and so there's

01:47:45.180 russell brand and who else did they be going after recently uh i don't know like there's just there's

01:47:50.020 just all these cases constantly popping up yeah so i'm like that's why when you were talking about

01:47:54.780 your future i'm like well with these consequences you're you're right i mean and the low testosterone

01:48:00.620 everything else we talked about but i'm like i was a guy i just wouldn't even touch women with a 10

01:48:04.880 foot pole well i just i think that like the thing is right now young guys have access to so much

01:48:10.560 pornography yeah that it's like what i i found like things like the fleshlight would actually be 0.98

01:48:17.480 like in terms of feeling stimulation it it's it's in some ways better than an actual vagina which is 1.00

01:48:23.700 kind of crazy because like we're going to create technology that's more sexually stimulating than 0.62

01:48:27.880 actual sex so why would anyone have sex if all of a sudden there's technology that does it better

01:48:32.620 right like i think that that's kind of the direction we're heading in and then all of a sudden people

01:48:36.560 are gonna be like well like like a vibrator like women use vibrators because they get something that 1.00

01:48:41.460 could never get from a real person but i mean even if you don't use it i'm just saying like a lot of

01:48:46.120 women do because yeah i know i know i'm not dumb yeah i'm not not saying you said that but i'm like

01:48:50.580 i'm like ah this stuff is future's gonna be weird i have to go though um no worries i have to go but

01:48:56.360 thank you so much you actually this is the first interview that's made me like think about things

01:49:01.500 really different in a while so hopefully not depressing i feel i'm a little depressed but it's

01:49:07.340 all right i'll get over it it's like when i figured out marriage was dead it was like depressed

01:49:11.580 for a week then i was like yeah it's all right so um can you tell people where they can find you

01:49:17.360 maybe they should subscribe to your second channel so that one's monetized there's sandman too um if

01:49:23.000 you just do a search on youtube you can find me there you can like if you do sandman migtail on

01:49:27.900 like rumble or bit shoot well bit shoots the search engine doesn't work there anymore but yeah like

01:49:33.440 youtube sandman too is probably the best and if you want rumble just sandman migtail you can find me

01:49:39.360 there too so well and then i do go ahead no go ahead no i just i do my uh like i do memes of the

01:49:46.700 week a couple times a week which are just like uh all the stuff i post on twitter the most popular

01:49:51.240 stuff for the for the week which is kind of interesting and then i do videos like request

01:49:57.240 videos people suggest videos video topics and i do those and i also do coaching calls so people can

01:50:02.540 pay to talk to me for an hour or two i i retweet you a lot on twitter the twitter yeah i see you on

01:50:09.140 there too you're like yeah there's a lot of funny stuff there too yeah um okay so guys make sure you

01:50:14.820 subscribe to his channel um i'm gonna put you on our list for like panels we were gonna do some

01:50:21.560 virtual ones i think it'd be really interesting to hear some of your ideas like with other people

01:50:26.860 like i just think it'd be really interesting so um cool is that all right yeah that's cool okay

01:50:31.540 but yeah guys make sure you like the video subscribe um seriously um his content is so funny i think

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JustPearlyThings - October 08, 2023

The History Of The Manosphere ｜ Sandman @SandmanMGTOW

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