The Level of DELUSION is Choking
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Summary
In this episode, we talk about the trans bathroom debate and how we should deal with it. We also talk about whether or not we should allow trans women to use the women's bathroom in public, and what we should do about it.
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I'm saying when you're forcing us to accept them as women and treat them as women,
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then it's like you're forcing me to live in the delusion when I can see you're clearly not.
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So like when I'm forced to play with them, now I have to, you know,
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Does it really matter unless they do something really bad?
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Does it matter like if you just see them coming in or out?
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Because again, you're forcing me to pretend that there's something that they're not.
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It's supposed to be the women's locker room, the women's bathroom.
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And so it's like when we have to be okay with them coming in,
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again, it's like you're asking me to accept that there's something that they're not.
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But now you guys are demanding that we change our language.
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I'm saying when you're forcing us to accept them as women and treat them as women,
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then it's like you're forcing me to live in the delusion
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now I have to, you know, and I didn't even get a choice in this.
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But even in the locker room, because I go into the locker room,
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now I have to pretend that they're supposed to be there.
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But people have been pretending like trans people don't exist.
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They've been a part of society for like, well, since time again.
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But the issue we get to is that if we don't give a hard line,
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And that's what you see with the men going into female prisons
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There was a couple of cases in California that just happened in.
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We already, in England, we've already prepped for that.
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We did have a transgender woman rape a woman because that was really stupid
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because she wasn't like, she wasn't post-op or anything.
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I feel like there are some situations where people just turn their brains off.
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But my problem is like, that's why I just think we make it simple.
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like then there are people that are faced consequences
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Yeah, I do think the transgender wing was important
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because it's obviously, it's keeping trans women safe from men,
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but it's also keeping, you know, cis women safe.
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We didn't just throw the trans women in with the men.
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well, I was raised to think that if I'm a woman,
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When they go toilet, they go to the men's bathroom.
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At home we use the same toilet because we are family.
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When you go to a friend's house, you use the same toilet.
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Because we are family and because we are friends.
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Because we are family and because we are friends.
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when you're meeting people that you don't know,
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I would go with the girls and you talk in the bathroom.
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I'm enjoying this because I'm not the most woke person here.
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I don't want to disregard how anxious and scared women often feel in general.
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Like, if you don't know somewhere where you're going and you're not in public,
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Because if you're not on edge and constantly have your guard up,
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you're often blamed for things that are bad that happened to you.
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So you're either constantly anxious or constantly not paying attention
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and then blamed for the bad things that happened to you.
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But it's something we should take into consideration,
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Again, women, both women, we are protected classes.
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And whilst we have some similarities, we are also different.
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We're like two circles that partly overlap, but don't completely overlap.
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And it's important not to just completely discredit these differences.
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You can just have cubicle, cubicle, cubicle, cubicle camera.
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You can still have your chat in front of the mirror.
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Have your chat doing your makeup so that everyone is safe when you walk in.
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No, because then again, it's like we have to make all these exceptions for like 1% of the population.
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like I just think that where these people are, you know, we are a, what's the words?
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When something's like a small amount of, you know what I'm saying?
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I just don't see how like it's going to be an issue, you know, for these type of people.
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Because it's not an issue till it becomes an issue.
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Yeah, but that's different because, you know, that's, that's not a league.
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But if you're trying to put people together in terms of like leagues of sports and things
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like that, it's going to be difficult with just 1% to form a whole league of just one
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And the more we're speaking about it, the more I'm starting to see that it wouldn't be
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You know, it genuinely would not be a bad thing to have a separate, but then there would
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need to be a more, more, more amounts of people.
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Like let's say for example, female football, female football, you know, 30 years.
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I don't know how correct that is, but I'm just kind of giving an estimate.
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But as time progresses, it's getting more watched, it's getting more appreciated, more
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But initially there wasn't enough women playing football for there to be a league.
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And I think with transgender people, the more transgender people that come forward and
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say, you know what, I'd like to play a sport and face these type of difficulties or
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prejudice and whether it's prejudice or just, you know, technical, whatever it is.
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I just think in life, you know, we've kind of said that we shouldn't be excluded from
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And I think some things, yeah, people should be excluded from.
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Like, for example, I don't really think women, like we don't play football.
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It's not really, it's like, it's a very fringe, right?
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So we can, but we can talk about like in the normal school, the normal college, you're
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And, you know, maybe there's special colleges that do that on occasion when there's a high
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When it comes to sports, I think it's rather than focusing on.
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No, but I'm saying the same thing with the bathrooms.
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Like, okay, if there's a ton in one area, fine.
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But like demanding that there's bathrooms in all these locations when we could just go by
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Yeah, but you don't, okay, so biological sex, you see someone walk into the women's
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toilet with a beard, yeah, you can't give them a little side eye.
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If you walk into the women's toilet and you see somebody walking behind you, walking with
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a beard and a penis, you can't give them side eye because there will be, I mean, if we're
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going to be honest, I'd rather neither, I'd rather neither, but, you know, but we got to
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These people exist and I think biologically it wouldn't work that way.
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Unless, unless people continue to use the bathrooms of the gender that they've, that
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It's either that or like you say, you know, they, they make a special bathroom for transgender
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people because this idea of a transgender woman with a beard going into a woman's toilet
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or a transgender man with breasts going into men's toilet is just absolutely crazy.
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I think it's crazier than someone with male parts going into a woman's bathroom.
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Well, like females bathrooms are already separate.
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So if someone was assigned female at birth, they've transitioned to male.
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And you're saying that they need to go with their biological sex or their, their gender
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So they could have gone through every single process to have bottom surgery, have top surgery.
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They look like a, they look like a cisgender man, but they've just followed you into a women's
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toilet because you said that biological women should go into the women's toilet.
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Isn't women's toilets already completely separate cubicles?
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Like I've never seen a transgender person's peepee, like ever.
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I do think changing rooms is a bit different, but bathrooms is just like-
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I just, I don't, I don't think we should be forced to share a bathroom with men.
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I'm just trying to figure out how you'd know, like, unless like someone was obviously close
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to their, it's close to the beginning of their transition.
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I mean, it's, it's pretty, I mean, I'm not, I'm not even trying to be rude.
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Like you can, you can usually tell, like even in this room it was pretty easy for me to tell.
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But does it really matter unless they do something really bad?
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Does it matter like if you just see them coming in or out?
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Like as long as they're not seeing anything bad.
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But you're forcing me to pretend that there's something that they're not.
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But we're supposed to have the, it's supposed to be women, the women's locker room,
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And so it's like when we have to be okay with them coming in again, it's like,
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you're asking me to accept that there's something that they're not.
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Because your opinion at that point would have to be relevant to the person using the bathroom.
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So like, for example, if a transgender person came into the bathroom and had to put up with your negative prejudice opinion-
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Then it's up to that person if they give you air time.
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If they think that you're just some negative Nancy, they'll just go to the toilet and leave.
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I'm actually like a Karen, so I would go to the manager and I would say, hey, there's a man in the bathroom.
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Well, in this woke culture, yes, but I'm trying to stop that.
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But do they really look completely like a man or are they a transgender woman and they're trying the best?
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See, I get really confused all the words, like the trans, cis, it just confuses me a bit.
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But if we're going to go to the men that become women, I would say it's very easy to tell.
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Like at that tournament, I could say that one, that one, that one.
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I would say the other way around, it's a little harder, but it's still pretty easy to tell.
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Say of all of the trans women that you've met, would all of them bother you or some bother you more than others?
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Or just your feelings, all of them bother you about the same amount?
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All of them I would not want in the bathroom with me.
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I feel like we should base being sort of wary of people on when they actually do something bad.
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No, but again, the policies, again, because the issue is if we allow them in the bathrooms, then what's next?
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There's always something they're going to be fighting for.
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They have already regulated, at least in the UK, they've regulated the prisons pretty well.
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I do think there is still work to be done with sports, but these are all very individual issues that have different problems.
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Yeah, I'm about to get kicked out of the league for it, to be honest, because I said something about it.
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I think the biggest issue is you're just calling trans women men.
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I feel like if you did use their PC language, they probably couldn't have had as much issue with it.
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Again, I wouldn't say that it's the same when it's what you're born as.
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No, but if you know the word in other languages, Negro means black.
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It's a terminology that people use and black people do not like when it's used by people
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So my example, it doesn't need to be taken for word for word.
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If you've got a broad enough mind, you'll be able to look at the example and see that
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you're calling someone a word and a phrase that they find disrespectful.
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If you're a respectful person, you wouldn't call someone a terminology that offends them.
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If you're a disrespectful person, you won't mind because you would like to offend people
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I think saying if someone's fat and they deserve to die or something...
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My argument was black people are not born Negroes, but trans women are born men.
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I'm not going to say it because it sounds too similar.
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I know the history, but the example, you're clinging onto one part.
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Sis is a word used to explain a biological person.
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But now you guys are demanding that we change our language to accommodate you.
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So I need to know if we're talking about men or trans women.
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So if you're, if you keep calling trans women men, I don't know what we're talking about
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It's not the original way human beings have been thinking for the past couple of years
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Trans people have been around, but there has been a way of thinking for the past couple
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Like, with the gay community, not a lot of people came out that they were gay for a
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Until they, until they feel comfortable enough to discuss their sexuality, their gender,
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they are not going to come out and say, oh, I'm this.
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I mean, gay people suffered in the same way that trans people did, right?
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Everyone assumed all the gay men in the bathrooms are trying to fuck the kids.
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Like, we kind of evolved our thinking from this.
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And I have a lot of empathy towards people that are wary about their kids being trans.
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And there's a lot of discussion about whether X, Y, or Z is safe, et cetera.
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I want to say that was like the nineties where we were having these types of.
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I do think in certain situations, it's not quite there yet.
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I completely understand the anxiety, especially around changing rooms, because being naked
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And if, if one of the people was like a, a pre-op transgender person, it would feel uncomfortable,
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So I don't know how much to base my feeling on what should be policy.
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I do think that these things could be fixed easily.
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Just fucking everyone should have their own cubicles.
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And, but I also realized that in a lot of situations there aren't, there isn't that yet,
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If you're playing sports in a place that doesn't have those like facilities, that sucks for you.
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And I think people are trying to kind of swoosh.
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We have protected, um, you know, when, when it comes to like the law and things, when
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it comes to sexism and things that can negatively affect us, um, there are certain things that
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Um, but what there is for transgender women is a little bit different at what transgender
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people in general, but, um, uh, anyone that is a protected class is like black people,
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for example, or, yeah, it's, it's just different, um, things that put in place.
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To consider that we're, you know, different from a minority.
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But I still don't understand what you were saying earlier.
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Like why I should be punished for my speech when what I'm saying is true.
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So like with the, with the, no, I was talking to, to you, cause you, you said you wouldn't
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have like been in that situation if you just use their pronouns.
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So it's like, why do I have to change my language when what, what I am saying is true?
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I'm just saying, so it's not necessarily that you're wrong or that you need to change your
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I'm saying if you want to win a fight and not necessarily just get kicked out of the
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volleyball league or kicked out of this or that, you have to adopt the way that other
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people are thinking, or they're just going to completely disregard, disregard you.
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And you might see that as being really unfair, but the world is you have to adapt to the
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way that other people are being so that you can play them at their game.
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And if you don't do that, they just don't care.
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And to be fair, calling a trans woman, a man is kind of transphobic.
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They're a biological man, but they've transitioned to a trans woman.
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And I, and you know, in, in personal relationships, like, I mean, I, I'm not going to call someone
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But, but I'm, but I'm saying like, I can't tweet that I don't want men in our locker rooms.
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I can't tweet that I don't want men in our sport.
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But you could tweet, I don't want transgender women in my locker rooms.
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And there shouldn't even be like a, but you could phrase it like that.
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Like, why do we have to change our speech when we're talking about things that are true?
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It's because even if you don't think that trans women are women, they're also not really men anymore either.
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So like cis women are there, but trans women are under this umbrella.
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And I do think that they are a protected class.
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They, that they suffer from a lot of things that we do some to a worse extent.
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Like the, the rate of death for black trans women is really bad, especially in America.
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Because I just think the problem, the real problem of this whole thing is the censorship.
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But I just think the real problem is censorship.
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I think trans women, trans people should be allowed to do whatever they want.
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Yeah, but that's basically what the policies and society is doing.
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They are censoring people, even from what you're saying, the way you've been saying, like,
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Why can't we just say it how we want to say it?
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You can say it, but you just need to be aware that you may cause offence.
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And if you're happy to do that and happy to receive the backlash after what you've said, then that's fine.
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My issue is when I'm now getting kicked out of a league and now I'm getting other repercussions because I said something that's true.
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Because some people might not want to endorse you.
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Some organizations might not want to endorse you knowing that you have the opinion.
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And that's why a lot of celebrities don't say nothing.
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But on my volleyball league, I think it's wrong that they cannot play because of an opinion.
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I mean, like I do music and I think that, you know, within the art, the art, the artistry world and all of that stuff, you know, people want you to have like certain type of personality and be super friendly and all that stuff.
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And kind of being nonchalant and private doesn't really get people anywhere.
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So I agree that, you know, certain things should be separated.
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You know, you should separate who an individual is to what they do, because sometimes, in my opinion, some of the most magnificent people are weird.
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And that's what makes them so magnificent because they're different.
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They're a little bit strange to some people, you know, and I think it's okay for everyone to have an opinion.
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It's okay for everyone to speak about their opinion.
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But we have to also be aware that sometimes we're going to cause offence.
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Not just that don't agree with us, but it's the way in which we word things.
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You know, we can put, like you said, we can put our opinions across in a way that doesn't cause offence.
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You only really get to pick offensive or actually productive.
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And it's fine if you want to say things the way you do.
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Our only two options are offensive and productive.
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If you don't seem reasonable to the other party, they're not going to engage.
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And at the end of the day, it's like if we're talking about things that are true, they're
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Someone else feels about a fact about something that is true.
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And it's not necessarily about feelings, but it's like enough of the population has agreed
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No, I think it's a small percentage of the population that's pushing the societal contract.
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If you're engaging with that small percentage of the population and they're in charge of
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governing bodies that affect your sport, you have to meet them in the middle.
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And the issue is, is that they get in charge of these organizations.
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When I was interviewing girls at the tournament, a lot of people didn't agree with it.
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A lot of people were against it, but they can't say anything because of these governing bodies.
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So it's like, I can't even speak out that I don't want them in my sports.
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I mean, and if I'm being honest and no, but the issue is like this language, I'm sorry.
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They're added in all these words, gender fluid, non-binary.
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It's not that confusing to just call trans women trans women.
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No, but then there's cis, then there's non-binary gender fluid.
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What you call biological women doesn't really matter that much.
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But what, if you're calling, aside from it just being fucking confusing,
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because we do need to differentiate between men and trans women.
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You want to be able to call a woman that's born a woman a woman,
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And then if you've transitioned, you're called a trans woman or a trans man.
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I want the same language we've used for the last 500 years.
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Okay, transgender has existed for how many decades?
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So in regards of what we can do with searching, that's the only thing.
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Even now throughout tribes throughout the world.
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There have been trans people, people that don't conform to a single gender.
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But just because it's not necessarily in societal terms or even like now.
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Like if you think even about being like homosexual, for example, quite awkward.
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Like homosexuality pretty much got eradicated from society.
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It was only seen underground because, well, for one, colonial laws made homosexual behavior illegal.
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But it took a long, long time for gay people to come out of the woodwork.
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There are some, there are certain people like, for example, there's like a whole,
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pretty much a whole generation of like gay men that just aren't talked about because that was before,
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So like trans people, trans people were pretty much eradicated from the forefront of society,
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We can't, we can't prove they were common either.
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We can't really prove a lot of stuff about history now.
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We can say there are exceptions, but it's not really the rule.
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I feel like the only difference is we used to call them transsexuals rather than transgender,
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but that like the Rocky Horror Show existed for ages, right?
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That no one really spoke about, they were just a part of society.
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There is older than all of us in the room, so we should take that into consideration.
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But like, across the board, this is a new thing.
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It's new in a sense where it's been getting more exposure.
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More people are doing it, you know, in that regard.
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You know, I think people need to be more aware of these things.
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I think the movement that black people had, the movement that women had, the movement that gay people had,
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I just want you to be able to advocate for what you believe in, but actually get somewhere.
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If you don't start to adopt at least some of the language, you're not going to get anywhere.
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I just think like, why should I be forced to learn this new language?
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I don't think it's insulting to say that I don't.
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Well, again, I feel like a lot of things are insulting.
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So it's like, you know, we can't base facts off of our feelings.
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I have to have them in my bathrooms and I have to play with them in sports.
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Is it really delusional to call them trans women?
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If we're pretending that there's something that they're not.
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It's like now I have to pretend and act like it's normal.
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But you don't have to pretend that they're the same as us.
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If a man walked into my locker room, I would go get the manager and say, get him out.
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But so now I have to do a different behavior based on how they're dressed.
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But I'm just saying if someone knows you, I'm like, do you want to actually have success
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I'm just saying, do you want to actually make change and say, hey, it's not cool for transgender
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women to be in team sports where they have advantage for X, Y, and Z.
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Like, if you want to get somewhere, you kind of have to adapt at least a little bit.
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What you're saying is that we have to, in order to be okay with trans, trans women and
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No, you don't have to be okay and you don't have to change your language.
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I'm saying if you want to communicate with other people that have this, the way that
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they are, we'd like, to be fair, even I think like calling a trans woman a man is transphobic.
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If you want, if you want us to do what you want, you have to use my language.
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It's as similar as being, I don't know, racist.
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It's a type of prejudice and you can't just kind of ignore this as you're trying to engage
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with other people on the other side to make actual progress.
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But the thing is, I don't care what you do, do what you want.
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But again, it's when you force your opinions on me.
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But the thing is, I think you have a good argument.
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Like I do think within team sports for women, for cis women, biological women, whatever,
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there are some like advantages trans women would have, which probably makes it unfair.
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So for me, the sad part is that I feel like you're approaching the argument wrong because
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I think you have a good point, but it's lost in the language and it's disregarded because
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people just write you off as being transphobic.
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I mean, you can feel that way, but at the end of the day, like it's, it's not really how I
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You know, it's very funny how her argument is very one sided because she says, we, um,
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just cause the transgender people don't like what we say, they disregard it.
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But she's saying we shouldn't disregard, but you're saying, you're saying we shouldn't disregard
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what the transgender people are saying to make them feel comfortable, but they should
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disregard what we are saying just so they can feel comfortable.
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Like we, we, you're already calling them delusional X, Y, Z, like you do disagree.
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To be fair, all human beings on the planet are delusional in one way or another.
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If you do not accept that, then you are the problem usually.
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Can you, can you look at it from my point of view?
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And growing up, there wasn't anything to do with trans.
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It's very, very new to understand how trans people are like, have become, if that makes sense.
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So it is very hard for someone like me to now track, like change my language and say they and them.
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I think if you have a good intention, it doesn't matter too much.
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Would you, would you guys think about people that are religious that, you know, they've been raised and their religion obviously goes back for a very long time.
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I don't think I could ever be comfortable with accepting new terms for, you know, like, I just, I just don't think I'd ever do it.
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I think it's fine if you don't want to accept things, but also you're not really going to be able to engage in arguments if you're not.
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The point of arguments and debate is you're trying to meet someone in the middle so that you can have a conducive conversation.
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You can't engage in an argument unless you engage it in the way that I think is right.
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Yeah, but why don't they meet, why don't they meet her in the middle?
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Not if they don't, not unless she's forced to use language that she's not comfortable using.
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But she just said there's religious backing still.
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Do you think there's any difference between a man and a transgender woman?
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Okay, but we could talk about religion, but that would be a whole other subject.
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Like, can we not just use it because it's confusing AF if we don't say transgender woman instead of a man?
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I think it's more confusing when you add in all that.
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But it's not like men, men are trying to compete with women in sports or men, men are trying to like turn off in our bathrooms and stuff.
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There has to be a differentiation or the composition is fucking confusing.
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No, no, I say the men that are trying to be women, that's how I would say it.
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Well, they are trying to be women or transitioning into women.
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You could try and assign male at birth, I guess.
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Yeah, but transitioning, they physically can do it.
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Okay, some biological women have problems doing that.
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And like Tass said earlier, that doesn't make them any less of a woman.
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Some men cannot impregnate their sperm for whatever reason has dysfunction.
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But the difference is trans people can never do it.
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How many people, how many heterosexual people have had children and not raised their property?
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Transgender women don't need to hit the same parameters as suits or biological women.
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I'm pretty sure every single transition, I'm pretty sure every single transgender person
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on the planet was born from a heterosexual man and woman.
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Just because someone is born man and born a woman, it doesn't give them the right to be parents.
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Do you know how much effed up stuff happens because of men and women having kids?
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Like I haven't seen one case so far where there's been a LGBT couple that's had a child
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and they've become a mass murderer, bomb in schools.
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All of the stuff that you, all of the crazy stuff that happens in the world are not born,
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are not from, are not parents from transgender people.
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I don't understand like what all the issue is with, you know, transgender people when there's
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a lot of crazy stuff that goes on in the world that's not from transgender or LGBT.
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The LGBT community are so peaceful, it's crazy.
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My issue is that again, they're forcing us to live in their delusion.
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The LGBT community is a very peaceful community.
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Okay, so if they want to do their thing in their community, fine.
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My issue is when, is when you got men coming into my bathrooms, men coming into my sports,
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men coming into women's spaces and forcing me to pretend that they're women.
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But that's your prejudice and that's the problem.
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That's something that you're going to have to come through.
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I don't know if there's been people that have felt the same way about people of different races,
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you know, people that have different disabilities.
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It's literally to do with the transition of a man to woman.
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I think they would feel the same way if I said I am now black.
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And now I would like all of, I would like to be the head of the black student union.
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I would like to be the head of all these things.
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Maybe in 50 years time, we'll see what science does.
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If they make a way for that to happen, we can have another conversation.
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I just want to point out that sex already doesn't exist on a binary.
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There are people that have genetic differences that does fall out of XX and XY.
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So it's, there is already reasons for why we see things a little bit differently.
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Whereas with black and white, it's just like, it doesn't make any sense.
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If you look on a DNA level, those classes of people are classed as abnormal.
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Do you know what genetic differences always used to lead to in the past?
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And there are genetic differences that have led to devolution.
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But the point is, by natural selection, there are people that have existed that were not,
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that did not fit into the normal binary system.
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And things like that have been, like natural selection takes care of things like that naturally.
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But human beings, because of technology, because of all these advancements,
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we're not trying to enforce these things that if we were to leave it to actual nature,
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And Aphrodites, as they were called, and we now call them differently, have existed since the dawn of time.
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No, but the point is, the point is, the point is.
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The point is, if you have to leave, if you have to leave everything to nature and take science out of it,
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and leave everything to nature, how we're designed, for one, eventually, at a long enough time span,
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gay people can't reproduce, transsexuals, or whatever, would eventually die out,
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if you have to leave everything to nature and human beings weren't going to tamper.
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You're talking about nature, and how many species are there,
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how many species are there on this planet, where an individual specimen can change its gender?
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Human beings can't change their nature through their mind.
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There is one very weird example of a woman becoming pregnant by herself.
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But the thing with genetics is, things are weird, and we do...
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Were you guys following her, making sure that she didn't go and inseminate herself?
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Just as how twins can, like, eat each other, and then they have a different genetic makeup from the...
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I guess we can't tell transgender people in the world.
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That's like, that's something that we should have the opportunity to say if we choose to.
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I just figured this is what you came on the podcast to talk about.
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But it's still, you know, you don't necessarily out your gay friends.
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Same way you didn't necessarily out trans people.
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I think, obviously, I can understand to why you said, like, you know, it's your kind
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If you were a man before and now you're a female, or if you're a female and now you're
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Like, do you not think that, you know, you still...
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It's okay to say they're still biologically male or biologically female.
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But if they're presenting as a woman or male, we can just say they're trans.
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I've been transitioning medically for two years.
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So my question is, did they look at you guys as hormones before?
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I'm only asking because I worked with a doctor and he said sometimes trans people,
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they think they're the opposite gender, but really it's like their hormones are really
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I can't remember now, but you know, whatever the timeline is, but it's a different time
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And I can only imagine for people that were born, you know, earlier on than me.
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But for me, I had to pretend for a long time that I liked boys.
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I had to pretend that I wasn't a boy trapped in a girl's body because of losing my friends,
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I've never been interested in all of that stuff.
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My parents put me in a girl's high school and I swear to you.
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My question is more like, I'm just, I'm just curious if they did anything to prevent you
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from transitioning when you went to the doctor.
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So if they said, let's get your hormones checked out first, let's do therapy first.
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Or did they, did they just have you transition?
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So like the therapy, so it wasn't really therapy.
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And like, I was never, I've always like cared about what people think.
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Like I've always, I've always cared about what people think, you know, people's opinions
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And I got to the point where I was so unhappy that I just, I had to put myself first.
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Like I had to really just say like, you're not happy with your life.
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You're not happy with how you feel about yourself.
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People would tell me I'm pretty and I just felt ugly.
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It's, it's, it's, it's, and it goes back way before.
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So when you, so I'm just curious when you went to the doctors, they, they had you do therapy.
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So they spoke to me, they asked me about my, my past, how long I've wanted to do this for
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And even when I started my transition, I didn't get any facial hair for a long time.
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I'm just asking, what do they do to prevent it?
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All they do, like they let you talk, they give you an open space and they judge you based
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on, in my opinion, in my experience, this was like 10 years ago, but they, they, they
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ask you relevant questions and they base it on what they perceive, how serious you are.
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I just want, do they have you do therapy first?
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But they, what they probably gave me the same thing.
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Um, and then, um, yeah, like I, there was quite a rigorous, um, like a discussion, like
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couple discussions with, um, psychologists, um, you know, like it was, I was 28 when I
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Um, I was 32 or 33, uh, just before, no, I was 32 when I started hormones.
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I had already thought about every single possibility.
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This is not necessarily something I actually wanted to do to my body, but this is something
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Um, um, I, like, um, like you, I, I knew from quite young, from when I was about four, that
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I tried to absolutely eradicate that from my being, especially as it was always said to
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me so negatively, oh, you want to be a boy in it?
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All of this, it was always extremely negative connotations.
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So I really tried to, and that was from being young.
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There was, there was like, we, you know, they were, they were transgender people within
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So, but you did roughly six months, a year of therapy.
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And then did they check you guys' hormones first?
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Cause I just imagine that would be something they'd go through with you if they're checking
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They check my, they check my hormones and stuff, but I can't remember what the results
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I will say there is more to it than just having abnormally high.
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I take two antiandrogens myself because I have polycystic ovary syndrome.
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These medications have stopped me from experiences.
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And some of the medications would be the same as what a trans woman would take.
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So I do think that being a trans woman, there's more to it than just having high, a lot of women