JustPearlyThings - The Level of DELUSION is Choking

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00:00:00.920 I'm saying when you're forcing us to accept them as women and treat them as women,

00:00:05.940 then it's like you're forcing me to live in the delusion when I can see you're clearly not.

00:00:10.120 So like when I'm forced to play with them, now I have to, you know,

00:00:13.280 and I didn't even get a choice in this.

00:00:14.560 Like now I have to succumb to their delusion.

00:00:16.900 Does it really matter unless they do something really bad?

00:00:20.600 Does it matter like if you just see them coming in or out?

00:00:22.900 Because again, you're forcing me to pretend that there's something that they're not.

00:00:27.760 And I don't think that's...

00:00:28.860 You can still think they're what they are.

00:00:30.200 You just wait for them to leave.

00:00:31.360 No, no, but we're supposed to have the...

00:00:34.480 It's supposed to be the women's locker room, the women's bathroom. 1.00

00:00:38.380 And so it's like when we have to be okay with them coming in,

00:00:41.800 again, it's like you're asking me to accept that there's something that they're not.

00:00:45.780 But now you guys are demanding that we change our language.

00:00:49.240 I'm saying when you're forcing us to accept them as women and treat them as women,

00:00:54.280 then it's like you're forcing me to live in the delusion

00:00:56.680 when I can see you're clearly not.

00:00:58.440 So like when I'm forced to play with them,

00:00:59.980 now I have to, you know, and I didn't even get a choice in this.

00:01:02.900 Like now I have to succumb to their delusion.

00:01:05.040 I'm guessing in sports it's more obvious.

00:01:07.020 But even in the locker room, because I go into the locker room,

00:01:09.960 now I have to pretend that they're supposed to be there.

00:01:14.160 Now I have to go to the bathrooms and pretend. 0.99

00:01:15.760 But people have been pretending like trans people don't exist.

00:01:18.920 I didn't say they don't exist.

00:01:20.280 They clearly exist.

00:01:21.360 They've been a part of society for like, well, since time again.

00:01:25.900 But the issue we get to is that if we don't give a hard line,

00:01:30.800 then later there will be consequences.

00:01:32.600 And that's what you see with the men going into female prisons 1.00

00:01:37.140 and they get raped.

00:01:38.120 There was a couple of cases in California that just happened in.

00:01:41.140 We already, in England, we've already prepped for that.

00:01:44.300 So we have a transgender wing too. 0.57

00:01:45.760 But we have the same problem.

00:01:47.000 We did have a transgender woman rape a woman because that was really stupid 1.00

00:01:51.900 because she wasn't like, she wasn't post-op or anything.

00:01:55.340 It was really dumb.

00:01:56.680 I feel like there are some situations where people just turn their brains off.

00:02:00.420 But my problem is like, that's why I just think we make it simple.

00:02:03.680 Biological men, biological women. 1.00

00:02:05.600 Because when you start getting into all these,

00:02:08.240 when you get into all these exceptions,

00:02:10.280 like then there are people that are faced consequences

00:02:12.560 and usually it's not you, it's someone else.

00:02:14.740 Yeah, I do think the transgender wing was important

00:02:16.900 because it's obviously, it's keeping trans women safe from men,

00:02:20.940 but it's also keeping, you know, cis women safe.

00:02:23.960 So I think that was a good,

00:02:25.560 but that is an example of a compromise, right?

00:02:27.920 We didn't just throw the trans women in with the men. 0.99

00:02:30.360 No, no, but I would, I would.

00:02:31.840 Compromises work sometimes.

00:02:32.900 But also like in society.

00:02:34.620 I would just keep it men, women. 1.00

00:02:36.140 There would be no trans women. 1.00

00:02:37.340 It's because you're a black and white thinker.

00:02:38.980 This makes your brain smooth.

00:02:40.700 I like black and white thinking too.

00:02:42.600 So I understand.

00:02:43.900 Can I just say something?

00:02:45.480 It's not about thinking black and white.

00:02:47.080 It's just, you know, how some people,

00:02:49.300 well, I was raised to think that if I'm a woman,

00:02:51.940 I go into the woman's bathroom. 1.00

00:02:53.700 I have brothers.

00:02:54.760 When they go toilet, they go to the men's bathroom. 0.94

00:02:57.120 But at home you use the same toilet, right?

00:02:58.600 At home we use the same toilet because we are family.

00:03:00.540 When you go to a friend's house, you use the same toilet.

00:03:01.720 Because we are family and because we are friends.

00:03:04.100 Because we are family and because we are friends.

00:03:05.640 What was the last thing you said?

00:03:06.540 When you go to a house party,

00:03:07.260 when you're meeting people that you don't know,

00:03:08.500 but you're still using the same toilet, right?

00:03:09.860 Yes, 100%.

00:03:10.740 You survived them proud of you.

00:03:11.860 Yeah, no, but at a house party,

00:03:16.400 I would go with the girls and you talk in the bathroom. 1.00

00:03:21.360 I would not bring a guy to do that.

00:03:23.500 And you know it's different.

00:03:25.060 Like, we go into the, it is an experience.

00:03:28.760 You know the, you know the.

00:03:30.360 I'm enjoying this because I'm not the most woke person here.

00:03:33.720 I'm kind of in the middle.

00:03:34.560 It's great.

00:03:35.160 It's great.

00:03:36.000 I enjoy it.

00:03:36.640 But when it comes to bathrooms specifically,

00:03:40.420 I don't want to disregard how anxious and scared women often feel in general.

00:03:47.140 Like, if you don't know somewhere where you're going and you're not in public,

00:03:49.760 you're always kind of on edge.

00:03:51.840 And society kind of pushes you to be this way.

00:03:54.140 Because if you're not on edge and constantly have your guard up,

00:03:56.820 you're often blamed for things that are bad that happened to you.

00:03:59.760 So you're either constantly anxious or constantly not paying attention

00:04:04.460 and then blamed for the bad things that happened to you.

00:04:07.120 And that's not trans women's fault. 0.97

00:04:09.720 But it's something we should take into consideration,

00:04:11.960 just the experience of being a cis woman.

00:04:13.820 Again, women, both women, we are protected classes. 1.00

00:04:18.100 And whilst we have some similarities, we are also different.

00:04:20.560 We're like two circles that partly overlap, but don't completely overlap.

00:04:23.900 And it's important not to just completely discredit these differences.

00:04:29.760 Okay, so where do we land on bathrooms?

00:04:32.460 So you guys, bathrooms.

00:04:33.720 I think it should be fine.

00:04:35.040 Fine.

00:04:35.980 I really just want to get out.

00:04:38.120 Who says no?

00:04:39.360 I just want hands.

00:04:40.580 They have to get their own unit.

00:04:41.860 Okay, half and half.

00:04:42.880 I mean, own units is good.

00:04:44.540 Just keep everything unisex.

00:04:46.360 Put a camera outside the cubicle.

00:04:47.860 I don't want to see no one.

00:04:48.860 Unisex.

00:04:50.140 It's like a unisex cubicle.

00:04:51.780 You can just have cubicle, cubicle, cubicle, cubicle camera.

00:04:54.280 It's not that deep.

00:04:55.040 I just don't understand why it's that deep.

00:04:56.260 I don't want to see no old age groupies. 1.00

00:04:57.920 They are not like,

00:04:59.760 I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

00:05:01.100 You can still have your chat in front of the mirror.

00:05:03.560 The mirror will still be there for you.

00:05:05.240 There will just be a camera watching you.

00:05:06.480 Have your chat doing your makeup so that everyone is safe when you walk in.

00:05:08.940 How about that?

00:05:10.220 No, because then again, it's like we have to make all these exceptions for like 1% of the population.

00:05:14.960 No, like everyone should like it.

00:05:16.740 So if it's only 1% of the population,

00:05:18.460 like I just think that where these people are, you know, we are a, what's the words?

00:05:27.680 When something's like a small amount of, you know what I'm saying?

00:05:30.460 That it's such a small percentage.

00:05:32.080 I just don't see how like it's going to be an issue, you know, for these type of people.

00:05:37.400 Because it's not an issue till it becomes an issue.

00:05:39.860 There's so, there's such a small percentage.

00:05:41.740 You said just 1%.

00:05:42.980 Like if there was.

00:05:44.880 There's 1% of millionaires.

00:05:46.400 Okay.

00:05:46.780 If there was.

00:05:47.500 Yeah, but that's different because, you know, that's, that's not a league.

00:05:50.260 That's not like a league.

00:05:51.120 That's just people's successes and stuff.

00:05:52.560 But if you're trying to put people together in terms of like leagues of sports and things

00:05:57.700 like that, it's going to be difficult with just 1% to form a whole league of just one

00:06:02.960 gender of people.

00:06:04.020 And the more we're speaking about it, the more I'm starting to see that it wouldn't be

00:06:09.040 a bad thing.

00:06:09.840 You know, it genuinely would not be a bad thing to have a separate, but then there would

00:06:14.160 need to be a more, more, more amounts of people.

00:06:19.120 Like let's say for example, female football, female football, you know, 30 years. 0.88

00:06:22.560 Years ago, didn't really exist.

00:06:24.560 I don't know how correct that is, but I'm just kind of giving an estimate.

00:06:28.240 But as time progresses, it's getting more watched, it's getting more appreciated, more

00:06:32.800 people are going towards it.

00:06:34.520 But initially there wasn't enough women playing football for there to be a league. 1.00

00:06:38.960 And I think with transgender people, the more transgender people that come forward and

00:06:43.140 say, you know what, I'd like to play a sport and face these type of difficulties or

00:06:47.960 prejudice and whether it's prejudice or just, you know, technical, whatever it is.

00:06:51.900 I just think in life, you know, we've kind of said that we shouldn't be excluded from

00:06:57.460 anything.

00:06:58.300 And I think some things, yeah, people should be excluded from.

00:07:01.160 Like, for example, I don't really think women, like we don't play football. 0.92

00:07:05.900 I mean, not, not really.

00:07:07.420 It's not really, it's like, it's a very fringe, right?

00:07:09.820 So we can, but we can talk about like in the normal school, the normal college, you're

00:07:14.300 not going to go on and find a football team.

00:07:16.200 Right.

00:07:17.680 And, you know, maybe there's special colleges that do that on occasion when there's a high

00:07:21.420 population of women that want to play.

00:07:23.300 But the rule is there's no football league.

00:07:25.760 When it comes to sports, I think it's rather than focusing on.

00:07:27.860 No, but I'm saying the same thing with the bathrooms.

00:07:30.000 Like, okay, if there's a ton in one area, fine.

00:07:32.580 But like demanding that there's bathrooms in all these locations when we could just go by

00:07:38.140 biological sex, it's easier. 0.92

00:07:39.740 Yeah, but you don't, okay, so biological sex, you see someone walk into the women's 0.96

00:07:43.580 toilet with a beard, yeah, you can't give them a little side eye.

00:07:46.080 Yeah, it's going to be crazy.

00:07:47.020 If I walk into the women's. 1.00

00:07:48.160 If you walk into the women's toilet and you see somebody walking behind you, walking with 1.00

00:07:52.340 a beard and a penis, you can't give them side eye because there will be, I mean, if we're

00:07:58.220 going to be honest, I'd rather neither, I'd rather neither, but, you know, but we got to

00:08:02.940 go to biology.

00:08:04.020 These people exist and I think biologically it wouldn't work that way.

00:08:07.240 Unless, unless people continue to use the bathrooms of the gender that they've, that 1.00

00:08:13.960 they are claiming, yeah.

00:08:15.700 Or that they were assigned at birth.

00:08:16.740 Or that they were assigned at birth.

00:08:18.360 It's either that or like you say, you know, they, they make a special bathroom for transgender

00:08:23.680 people because this idea of a transgender woman with a beard going into a woman's toilet 0.56

00:08:30.520 or a transgender man with breasts going into men's toilet is just absolutely crazy. 0.91

00:08:35.060 I mean, it doesn't make any sense.

00:08:37.000 I think it's crazier than someone with male parts going into a woman's bathroom. 1.00

00:08:42.220 I think that's way crazier.

00:08:43.720 I would take someone with a beard over a dick. 0.69

00:08:45.720 Well, like females bathrooms are already separate. 1.00

00:08:47.720 I would take a beard over a dick.

00:08:50.720 But you don't know what that beard comes with.

00:08:53.220 Yeah.

00:08:54.220 So if someone was assigned female at birth, they've transitioned to male.

00:08:57.600 And you're saying that they need to go with their biological sex or their, their gender 0.55

00:09:01.900 assigned at birth.

00:09:02.820 Yeah.

00:09:03.820 So they could have gone through every single process to have bottom surgery, have top surgery.

00:09:10.000 They've been through hormone therapy.

00:09:11.200 They've been on hormones for like 10 years.

00:09:13.120 They look like a, they look like a cisgender man, but they've just followed you into a women's 0.99

00:09:19.460 toilet because you said that biological women should go into the women's toilet. 1.00

00:09:23.720 Isn't women's toilets already completely separate cubicles? 1.00

00:09:26.720 Am I missing something?

00:09:27.720 Like I've never seen a transgender person's peepee, like ever. 1.00

00:09:30.720 Yeah.

00:09:31.720 But the whole point is-

00:09:33.720 But the whole point is-

00:09:34.720 I do think changing rooms is a bit different, but bathrooms is just like-

00:09:37.720 I mean, yeah.

00:09:38.720 I just, I don't, I don't think we should be forced to share a bathroom with men.

00:09:42.720 Like that's my thing.

00:09:43.720 Like that's my thing.

00:09:44.720 I'm just trying to figure out how you'd know, like, unless like someone was obviously close

00:09:47.720 to their, it's close to the beginning of their transition.

00:09:49.720 I mean, we already have a lot of unisodes.

00:09:51.720 I don't know, I don't know how you would know.

00:09:53.720 I mean, it's, it's pretty, I mean, I'm not, I'm not even trying to be rude.

00:09:58.720 It's pretty, it's pretty obvious.

00:09:59.720 Like you can, you can usually tell, like even in this room it was pretty easy for me to tell.

00:10:03.720 But does it really matter unless they do something really bad?

00:10:06.720 Does it matter like if you just see them coming in or out?

00:10:09.720 Like as long as they're not seeing anything bad.

00:10:11.720 But you're forcing me to pretend that there's something that they're not.

00:10:14.720 And I don't think that's-

00:10:15.720 Well, no, you don't have to.

00:10:16.720 You can still think they're what they are.

00:10:17.720 You just wait until you leave.

00:10:18.720 No, no, right.

00:10:19.720 But we're supposed to have the, it's supposed to be women, the women's locker room, 1.00

00:10:23.720 the women's bathroom. 0.98

00:10:24.720 And so it's like when we have to be okay with them coming in again, it's like,

00:10:28.720 you're asking me to accept that there's something that they're not.

00:10:32.720 No, I don't.

00:10:33.720 Do you know what?

00:10:34.720 Because your opinion at that point would have to be relevant to the person using the bathroom.

00:10:38.720 So like, for example, if a transgender person came into the bathroom and had to put up with your negative prejudice opinion-

00:10:46.720 My negativity, yes.

00:10:47.720 Then it's up to that person if they give you air time.

00:10:50.720 If they think that you're just some negative Nancy, they'll just go to the toilet and leave. 0.99

00:10:54.720 I'm actually like a Karen, so I would go to the manager and I would say, hey, there's a man in the bathroom.

00:11:00.720 And they'd probably ask you to leave.

00:11:02.720 So who, who would?

00:11:04.720 They'd probably ask you to leave.

00:11:05.720 Well, in this woke culture, yes, but I'm trying to stop that.

00:11:07.720 But do they really look completely like a man or are they a transgender woman and they're trying the best?

00:11:12.720 See, I get really confused all the words, like the trans, cis, it just confuses me a bit.

00:11:17.720 But if we're going to go to the men that become women, I would say it's very easy to tell.

00:11:22.720 Like at that tournament, I could say that one, that one, that one.

00:11:25.720 I would say the other way around, it's a little harder, but it's still pretty easy to tell.

00:11:31.720 Say of all of the trans women that you've met, would all of them bother you or some bother you more than others? 0.99

00:11:36.720 Or just your feelings, all of them bother you about the same amount?

00:11:40.720 All of them I would not want in the bathroom with me.

00:11:44.720 Yeah.

00:11:45.720 I feel like we should base being sort of wary of people on when they actually do something bad.

00:11:52.720 No, but again, the policies, again, because the issue is if we allow them in the bathrooms, then what's next?

00:12:00.720 Then it's the prisons, then it's the sports.

00:12:02.720 Like it just never stops.

00:12:04.720 There's always something they're going to be fighting for.

00:12:06.720 They have already regulated, at least in the UK, they've regulated the prisons pretty well.

00:12:10.720 I do think there is still work to be done with sports, but these are all very individual issues that have different problems.

00:12:16.720 Yeah, I'm about to get kicked out of the league for it, to be honest, because I said something about it.

00:12:21.720 Are we honest?

00:12:22.720 I think the biggest issue is you're just calling trans women men.

00:12:26.720 I feel like if you did use their PC language, they probably couldn't have had as much issue with it.

00:12:31.720 But why do I have to change my language?

00:12:37.720 Because it's just respectful.

00:12:39.720 Again, again.

00:12:40.720 It's like calling a black person an English. 1.00

00:12:41.720 Again, I wouldn't say that it's the same when it's what you're born as. 0.99

00:12:46.720 It's your biology.

00:12:47.720 Yeah, but it's the same.

00:12:48.720 It's for me, it's just confusing.

00:12:50.720 No, black people are not born niggers though.

00:12:52.720 No, but if you know the word in other languages, Negro means black.

00:12:57.720 Negro is different from nigger. 1.00

00:12:59.720 It doesn't matter.

00:13:00.720 It does matter.

00:13:01.720 It does matter.

00:13:02.720 It does matter.

00:13:03.720 I'm not going to find this.

00:13:04.720 Can I finish?

00:13:05.720 The other word is a slow.

00:13:06.720 You just cut me.

00:13:07.720 Yeah.

00:13:08.720 It's a terminology that people use and black people do not like when it's used by people

00:13:14.720 that are not black.

00:13:15.720 Okay.

00:13:16.720 This class is disrespectful.

00:13:17.720 So my example, it doesn't need to be taken for word for word.

00:13:23.720 If you've got a broad enough mind, you'll be able to look at the example and see that

00:13:27.720 you're calling someone a word and a phrase that they find disrespectful.

00:13:31.720 It could be someone that's obese.

00:13:33.720 You're calling them fat.

00:13:34.720 If you're a respectful person, you wouldn't call someone a terminology that offends them.

00:13:39.720 If you're a disrespectful person, you won't mind because you would like to offend people

00:13:42.720 and make people...

00:13:43.720 I don't think fat is that bad.

00:13:44.720 I don't agree with that because my...

00:13:45.720 I think saying if someone's fat and they deserve to die or something...

00:13:48.720 Exactly.

00:13:49.720 I don't think saying like fat is that.

00:13:50.720 Exactly.

00:13:51.720 My argument was...

00:13:52.720 No, my argument was...

00:13:53.720 You don't need to call anyone fat.

00:13:54.720 My argument was black people are not born Negroes, but trans women are born men. 0.56

00:14:00.720 What are black people born? 0.99

00:14:01.720 They are born as black people.

00:14:03.720 And what does Negro mean in other languages?

00:14:05.720 Black. 0.93

00:14:06.720 No.

00:14:07.720 Negro... 1.00

00:14:08.720 Negro... 1.00

00:14:09.720 If you go and check the...

00:14:10.720 Do you mean like Spanish words?

00:14:11.720 Yeah.

00:14:12.720 I'm not going to say it because it sounds too similar.

00:14:14.720 I know the history, but the example, you're clinging onto one part.

00:14:17.720 You know, it was used as a slur.

00:14:19.720 That's different.

00:14:20.720 You being born as a man is not a slur.

00:14:22.720 It's reality.

00:14:23.720 Sis is a word used to explain a biological person.

00:14:27.720 It's a slur.

00:14:28.720 It's all words.

00:14:29.720 It's all words that can cause offense.

00:14:30.720 If you want to use it, fine.

00:14:31.720 But now you guys are demanding that we change our language to accommodate you.

00:14:35.720 Okay, for me, it's just confusing.

00:14:37.720 So I need to know if we're talking about men or trans women.

00:14:40.720 So if you're, if you keep calling trans women men, I don't know what we're talking about

00:14:44.720 at a certain point.

00:14:45.720 We kind of have to use these labels.

00:14:47.720 Otherwise, the conversation...

00:14:48.720 But that's the byproduct of this whole thing.

00:14:51.720 It's not the original way human beings have been thinking for the past couple of years

00:14:55.720 that's causing these problems.

00:14:56.720 Trans people have been around for a while.

00:14:58.720 It's the new way of thinking.

00:14:59.720 No, but yeah.

00:15:00.720 Trans people have been around, but there has been a way of thinking for the past couple

00:15:04.720 of thousands of years.

00:15:05.720 Yeah.

00:15:06.720 It wasn't spoke about.

00:15:07.720 Like, with the gay community, not a lot of people came out that they were gay for a

00:15:11.720 very long time.

00:15:12.720 They hid it.

00:15:13.720 And it's the same with the trans community.

00:15:15.720 Why do you think that is?

00:15:17.720 Until they, until they feel comfortable enough to discuss their sexuality, their gender, 0.86

00:15:22.720 they are not going to come out and say, oh, I'm this.

00:15:25.720 I mean, gay people suffered in the same way that trans people did, right?

00:15:28.720 Everyone assumed all the gay men in the bathrooms are trying to fuck the kids. 0.99

00:15:31.720 And there was a lot of pedophile.

00:15:33.720 Like, we kind of evolved our thinking from this.

00:15:37.720 And I have a lot of empathy towards people that are wary about their kids being trans.

00:15:43.720 It's a lot.

00:15:44.720 And there's a lot of discussion about whether X, Y, or Z is safe, et cetera.

00:15:50.720 But the reality is we did move on from that.

00:15:53.720 I want to say that was like the nineties where we were having these types of.

00:15:56.720 George Michael.

00:15:57.720 Yeah.

00:15:58.720 Yeah.

00:15:59.720 Um, but then I'm also not really convinced.

00:16:04.720 There is like a transgender ideology.

00:16:07.720 I know this kind of upsets a lot of people.

00:16:10.720 I do think that how things are is a mess.

00:16:13.720 I do think in certain situations, it's not quite there yet.

00:16:16.720 I think in a lot of sports, it's a mess.

00:16:19.720 I completely understand the anxiety, especially around changing rooms, because being naked

00:16:24.720 is a vulnerability.

00:16:25.720 And I don't want to like, I'm a cis woman.

00:16:27.720 I don't like being naked around anyone.

00:16:29.720 It doesn't feel good.

00:16:30.720 And if, if one of the people was like a, a pre-op transgender person, it would feel uncomfortable, 1.00

00:16:36.720 but I feel uncomfortable all the time.

00:16:38.720 So I don't know how much to base my feeling on what should be policy.

00:16:43.720 I do think that these things could be fixed easily.

00:16:46.720 Just fucking everyone should have their own cubicles. 0.99

00:16:49.720 And, but I also realized that in a lot of situations there aren't, there isn't that yet,

00:16:55.720 right?

00:16:56.720 If you're playing sports in a place that doesn't have those like facilities, that sucks for you.

00:17:00.720 Um, and I don't want to like disregard that.

00:17:03.720 Again, like cis women are a protected class. 1.00

00:17:06.720 Transgender women are a protected class. 0.99

00:17:08.720 And I think people are trying to kind of swoosh.

00:17:10.720 What do you even mean protected class?

00:17:12.720 We have protected, um, you know, when, when it comes to like the law and things, when

00:17:17.720 it comes to sexism and things that can negatively affect us, um, there are certain things that

00:17:24.720 make us protected.

00:17:25.720 Um, but what there is for transgender women is a little bit different at what transgender

00:17:30.720 people in general, but, um, uh, anyone that is a protected class is like black people,

00:17:35.720 for example, or, yeah, it's, it's just different, um, things that put in place.

00:17:42.720 To consider that we're, you know, different from a minority.

00:17:47.720 That's the one I was looking for earlier.

00:17:48.720 Yeah, but women are a minority. 1.00

00:17:49.720 But I still don't understand what you were saying earlier.

00:17:51.720 Like why I should be punished for my speech when what I'm saying is true.

00:17:55.720 No, you shouldn't be punished.

00:17:57.720 So like with the, with the, no, I was talking to, to you, cause you, you said you wouldn't

00:18:01.720 have like been in that situation if you just use their pronouns.

00:18:04.720 So it's like, why do I have to change my language when what, what I am saying is true?

00:18:08.720 I'm just saying, so it's not necessarily that you're wrong or that you need to change your

00:18:12.720 language.

00:18:13.720 I'm saying if you want to win a fight and not necessarily just get kicked out of the

00:18:17.720 volleyball league or kicked out of this or that, you have to adopt the way that other

00:18:21.720 people are thinking, or they're just going to completely disregard, disregard you.

00:18:25.720 And you might see that as being really unfair, but the world is you have to adapt to the

00:18:32.720 way that other people are being so that you can play them at their game.

00:18:35.720 And if you don't do that, they just don't care.

00:18:39.720 And they're not going to engage with you.

00:18:40.720 They're going to get rid of you.

00:18:41.720 And to be fair, calling a trans woman, a man is kind of transphobic.

00:18:45.720 I can't, I get it.

00:18:47.720 It is.

00:18:48.720 But they are.

00:18:50.720 They're a biological man, but they've transitioned to a trans woman.

00:18:53.720 I think it's fine to call them a trans woman.

00:18:56.720 And I, and you know, in, in personal relationships, like, I mean, I, I'm not going to call someone

00:19:01.720 their opposite pronoun, like when I meet them.

00:19:03.720 Yeah.

00:19:04.720 When you know them.

00:19:05.720 Yeah.

00:19:06.720 But, but I'm, but I'm saying like, I can't tweet that I don't want men in our locker rooms.

00:19:10.720 I can't tweet that I don't want men in our sport.

00:19:12.720 But you could tweet, I don't want transgender women in my locker rooms. 1.00

00:19:15.720 But what I'm saying is true though.

00:19:17.720 And there shouldn't even be like a, but you could phrase it like that.

00:19:20.720 Like, why do we have to change our speech when we're talking about things that are true?

00:19:24.720 It's because even if you don't think that trans women are women, they're also not really men anymore either.

00:19:30.720 So they're kind of, they're their own thing.

00:19:33.720 Like, and they're under the umbrella.

00:19:35.720 So I see women as an umbrella term. 1.00

00:19:37.720 Okay.

00:19:38.720 So like cis women are there, but trans women are under this umbrella.

00:19:41.720 And I do think that they are a protected class.

00:19:43.720 They, that they suffer from a lot of things that we do some to a worse extent.

00:19:49.720 Like the, the rate of death for black trans women is really bad, especially in America.

00:19:54.720 Like they do suffer a lot.

00:19:56.720 And I do appreciate these things.

00:19:58.720 Have you seen the rate of death of men?

00:20:00.720 Death of men?

00:20:02.720 Yes.

00:20:03.720 By other men?

00:20:04.720 Yes.

00:20:05.720 By other men?

00:20:06.720 No, just the rate of death of men.

00:20:07.720 Because I just think the problem, the real problem of this whole thing is the censorship.

00:20:11.720 I think if...

00:20:12.720 I was talking about murder rather than just...

00:20:14.720 No, I get it.

00:20:15.720 But I just think the real problem is censorship.

00:20:18.720 I think trans women, trans people should be allowed to do whatever they want.

00:20:22.720 But you can't censor other people's opinions.

00:20:25.720 No, you can't.

00:20:26.720 Yeah, that's wrong.

00:20:27.720 I'm not saying that Pearl should be censored.

00:20:29.720 I'm saying that if she wants to win a... 0.98

00:20:30.720 Yeah, but that's basically what the policies and society is doing. 0.99

00:20:33.720 They are censoring people, even from what you're saying, the way you've been saying, like,

00:20:38.720 well, you should phrase it different.

00:20:39.720 Why can't we just say it how we want to say it?

00:20:41.720 You can say it, but you just need to be aware that you may cause offence.

00:20:44.720 And if you're happy to do that and happy to receive the backlash after what you've said, then that's fine.

00:20:48.720 I don't care about offence.

00:20:50.720 That's cool then.

00:20:51.720 People can be offended.

00:20:52.720 My issue is when I'm now getting kicked out of a league and now I'm getting other repercussions because I said something that's true.

00:20:59.720 Because some people might not want to endorse you.

00:21:02.720 Some organizations might not want to endorse you knowing that you have the opinion.

00:21:06.720 Yeah, and I think that's wrong.

00:21:08.720 And that's why a lot of celebrities don't say nothing.

00:21:10.720 Even if someone was a super far leftist.

00:21:13.720 If you played on my...

00:21:15.720 Maybe you're kind of left.

00:21:16.720 But on my volleyball league, I think it's wrong that they cannot play because of an opinion.

00:21:21.720 I mean, I agree.

00:21:22.720 I mean, like I do music and I think that, you know, within the art, the art, the artistry world and all of that stuff, you know, people want you to have like certain type of personality and be super friendly and all that stuff.

00:21:32.720 And kind of being nonchalant and private doesn't really get people anywhere.

00:21:37.720 So I agree that, you know, certain things should be separated.

00:21:41.720 You know, you should separate who an individual is to what they do, because sometimes, in my opinion, some of the most magnificent people are weird.

00:21:52.720 And that's what makes them so magnificent because they're different.

00:21:55.720 They're a little bit strange to some people, you know, and I think it's okay for everyone to have an opinion.

00:22:01.720 It's okay for everyone to speak about their opinion.

00:22:04.720 You know, these debates are good.

00:22:05.720 You know, it spreads awareness.

00:22:06.720 It spreads knowledge.

00:22:07.720 But we have to also be aware that sometimes we're going to cause offence.

00:22:11.720 Do you know what I mean?

00:22:12.720 To some people.

00:22:13.720 Yeah, I don't care.

00:22:14.720 Not just that don't agree with us, but it's the way in which we word things.

00:22:18.720 It's the way in which we say things.

00:22:20.720 You know, we can put, like you said, we can put our opinions across in a way that doesn't cause offence.

00:22:26.720 People will listen to me.

00:22:27.720 You only really get to pick offensive or actually productive.

00:22:31.720 You can't really do both.

00:22:33.720 And it's fine if you want to say things the way you do.

00:22:36.720 We can't.

00:22:37.720 We can't.

00:22:38.720 Wait, wait.

00:22:39.720 Our only two options are offensive and productive.

00:22:40.720 If you don't seem reasonable to the other party, they're not going to engage.

00:22:43.720 I can't help how I seem.

00:22:44.720 Like I can't help their feelings.

00:22:46.720 And at the end of the day, it's like if we're talking about things that are true, they're

00:22:49.720 true.

00:22:50.720 And I can't help.

00:22:51.720 I can't help.

00:22:52.720 I can't help.

00:22:53.720 Someone else feels about a fact about something that is true.

00:22:56.720 That's fine.

00:22:57.720 And it's not necessarily about feelings, but it's like enough of the population has agreed

00:23:01.720 on a, let's just say societal, whatever.

00:23:05.720 No, I think it's a small percentage of the population that's pushing the societal contract.

00:23:10.720 If you're engaging with that small percentage of the population and they're in charge of

00:23:15.720 governing bodies that affect your sport, you have to meet them in the middle.

00:23:20.720 And the issue is, is that they get in charge of these organizations.

00:23:23.720 When I was interviewing girls at the tournament, a lot of people didn't agree with it.

00:23:26.720 A lot of people were against it, but they can't say anything because of these governing bodies.

00:23:33.720 So it's like, I can't even speak out that I don't want them in my sports.

00:23:36.720 I mean, and if I'm being honest and no, but the issue is like this language, I'm sorry.

00:23:41.720 It's so confusing.

00:23:42.720 No, but to the average person, sis, trans.

00:23:45.720 I'm sorry.

00:23:46.720 I'm not even trying to be rude.

00:23:47.720 It's confusing.

00:23:48.720 No, no, no, no, no.

00:23:49.720 Like gender fluid.

00:23:50.720 They're added in all these words, gender fluid, non-binary.

00:23:54.720 I don't know what any of this means anymore.

00:23:57.720 It's not that confusing to just call trans women trans women.

00:24:00.720 No, but then there's cis, then there's non-binary gender fluid.

00:24:05.720 All this shit's confusing to me.

00:24:07.720 What you call biological women doesn't really matter that much. 1.00

00:24:10.720 It doesn't.

00:24:11.720 But what, if you're calling, aside from it just being fucking confusing,

00:24:15.720 because we do need to differentiate between men and trans women.

00:24:17.720 It's because of what you're saying.

00:24:18.720 You want to differentiate.

00:24:20.720 Otherwise it makes no sense.

00:24:21.720 It goes back to what you said.

00:24:22.720 You want to be able to call a woman that's born a woman a woman,

00:24:26.720 a man that's born a man a man.

00:24:28.720 And then if you've transitioned, you're called a trans woman or a trans man.

00:24:31.720 No, no, I don't want new language.

00:24:32.720 I just want a keynote.

00:24:33.720 Because otherwise you can't but what you want.

00:24:35.720 I want the same language we've used for the last 500 years.

00:24:40.720 No, no.

00:24:41.720 Okay, transgender has existed for how many decades?

00:24:44.720 Well, come on.

00:24:45.720 At the end of it.

00:24:46.720 It's older than us.

00:24:48.720 So it's new, right?

00:24:49.720 But it's older than us.

00:24:50.720 It's older than us.

00:24:51.720 It's older than us.

00:24:52.720 It's older than us.

00:24:53.720 It's older than us.

00:24:54.720 It's older than us.

00:24:55.720 It's older than us.

00:24:56.720 It's older than us.

00:24:57.720 It's older than us.

00:24:58.720 So in regards of what we can do with searching, that's the only thing.

00:24:59.720 Ancient Greece had trans people everywhere.

00:25:00.720 Do you know what?

00:25:01.720 Ancient Rome.

00:25:02.720 Ancient Rome.

00:25:03.720 How many of us in here speak Latin?

00:25:05.720 Even now throughout tribes throughout the world.

00:25:07.720 There have been trans people, people that don't conform to a single gender.

00:25:10.720 Across the board.

00:25:11.720 I mean, I just, you might be right.

00:25:14.720 But just because it's not necessarily in societal terms or even like now.

00:25:18.720 Like if you think even about being like homosexual, for example, quite awkward.

00:25:23.720 Like homosexuality pretty much got eradicated from society.

00:25:26.720 It was only seen underground because, well, for one, colonial laws made homosexual behavior illegal.

00:25:35.720 But it took a long, long time for gay people to come out of the woodwork. 0.99

00:25:39.720 Still is illegal some places.

00:25:41.720 Exactly.

00:25:42.720 There are some, there are certain people like, for example, there's like a whole,

00:25:46.720 pretty much a whole generation of like gay men that just aren't talked about because that was before,

00:25:51.720 before it was legal.

00:25:53.720 When being gay could still land you in jail. 0.90

00:25:55.720 But what's your, what's your point?

00:25:57.720 So like trans people, trans people were pretty much eradicated from the forefront of society, 1.00

00:26:02.720 but it doesn't mean they weren't there.

00:26:03.720 It means that you may not have seen them.

00:26:05.720 They may not have been discussed.

00:26:07.720 It doesn't mean they weren't there.

00:26:08.720 We can't, we can't prove they were common either.

00:26:10.720 We can't really prove a lot of stuff about history now.

00:26:12.720 We can say there are exceptions, but it's not really the rule.

00:26:15.720 I feel like the only difference is we used to call them transsexuals rather than transgender,

00:26:19.720 but that like the Rocky Horror Show existed for ages, right?

00:26:21.720 Or they were just, they were just that one.

00:26:23.720 Yeah, no, but I, you see.

00:26:24.720 That no one really spoke about, they were just a part of society.

00:26:26.720 There is older than all of us in the room, so we should take that into consideration.

00:26:29.720 But like, across the board, this is a new thing.

00:26:32.720 Like, it's in the last hundred years.

00:26:34.720 It's been new since we were alive.

00:26:36.720 I disagree.

00:26:37.720 Adam and Eve, it was there.

00:26:38.720 I guess so.

00:26:39.720 When did it come?

00:26:40.720 It's new in a sense where it's been getting more exposure.

00:26:42.720 You know, it's more talked about.

00:26:43.720 It's not within the rhetoric.

00:26:44.720 More people are doing it, you know, in that regard.

00:26:46.720 But I think that's necessary.

00:26:47.720 You know, I think people need to be more aware of these things.

00:26:50.720 I think the movement that black people had, the movement that women had, the movement that gay people had,

00:26:55.720 the movement that, you know.

00:26:56.720 No, I want to take back the women's movement. 1.00

00:26:58.720 Any type of minority.

00:26:59.720 I want to take it back.

00:27:00.720 Well, you don't want to work.

00:27:02.720 Well, you know, I mean.

00:27:03.720 I just want you to be able to advocate for what you believe in, but actually get somewhere.

00:27:07.720 If you don't start to adopt at least some of the language, you're not going to get anywhere.

00:27:11.720 They're not going to listen to you.

00:27:12.720 I just think like, why should I be forced to learn this new language?

00:27:16.720 What do you want to win?

00:27:17.720 Do you want to get somewhere?

00:27:18.720 Or do you just want to insult people?

00:27:19.720 Because you can't have both.

00:27:20.720 I don't think it's insulting to say that I don't.

00:27:23.720 Well, they do.

00:27:24.720 Well, again, I feel like a lot of things are insulting.

00:27:26.720 That's what women do. 1.00

00:27:27.720 We feel like everything's insulting.

00:27:29.720 So it's like, you know, we can't base facts off of our feelings.

00:27:34.720 Yeah, but do you want to win?

00:27:35.720 Or do you just want.

00:27:36.720 Win in what way though?

00:27:37.720 What competition?

00:27:38.720 Because these are my options.

00:27:40.720 Okay.

00:27:41.720 I could say it nicely.

00:27:42.720 They're still going to do the same thing.

00:27:44.720 Or I have to live with their delusion.

00:27:46.720 I have to use their language. 0.71

00:27:48.720 I have to.

00:27:49.720 I have to have them in my bathrooms and I have to play with them in sports.

00:27:52.720 Is it really delusional to call them trans women?

00:27:54.720 Because they're still not cis women.

00:27:55.720 They're not biological women. 1.00

00:27:56.720 They're just trans women. 1.00

00:27:57.720 I would say if we're having them.

00:27:58.720 If we're having.

00:27:59.720 If we're pretending that there's something that they're not.

00:28:01.720 Which I would say it is.

00:28:02.720 It's trans women. 1.00

00:28:03.720 But what are they pretending to be?

00:28:04.720 I would say.

00:28:05.720 I would say a trans.

00:28:07.720 A dude that transitioned to a woman.

00:28:09.720 Sorry.

00:28:10.720 I would say even though they got the surgery.

00:28:13.720 No, they're dressing like it.

00:28:14.720 They're still not women. 1.00

00:28:15.720 No, but they're trans women. 1.00

00:28:16.720 They're trans women. 1.00

00:28:17.720 But when you put them in our bathrooms.

00:28:19.720 It's like now I have to pretend and act like it's normal.

00:28:22.720 But you don't have to pretend that they're the same as us.

00:28:24.720 It's up to you.

00:28:25.720 No, because this is what I would do.

00:28:27.720 If a man walked into my locker room, I would go get the manager and say, get him out. 0.56

00:28:32.720 But I can't do that now.

00:28:34.720 Why do you want to be Karen? 1.00

00:28:35.720 Karen is so good.

00:28:36.720 That's who I am.

00:28:37.720 I've been tattling on.

00:28:38.720 At least you're honest.

00:28:39.720 Yeah, I've been tattling on parties.

00:28:42.720 My neighbor throws a party.

00:28:44.720 I'm calling.

00:28:45.720 You know what I mean?

00:28:46.720 The food's bad.

00:28:48.720 I'll get the.

00:28:49.720 I do it if the food's bad.

00:28:50.720 But so now I have to do a different behavior based on how they're dressed.

00:28:55.720 Well, you don't have to.

00:28:56.720 But I'm just saying if someone knows you, I'm like, do you want to actually have success

00:29:01.720 and get somewhere?

00:29:02.720 Then that's what I would do.

00:29:03.720 But you don't have to do that.

00:29:05.720 I'm just saying, do you want to actually make change and say, hey, it's not cool for transgender 1.00

00:29:10.720 women to be in team sports where they have advantage for X, Y, and Z. 1.00

00:29:15.720 Like, if you want to get somewhere, you kind of have to adapt at least a little bit.

00:29:19.720 No, there's no winning.

00:29:20.720 I'm sorry.

00:29:21.720 Can I say something?

00:29:22.720 You don't know what your argument sounds like.

00:29:25.720 Your argument sounds like blackmail.

00:29:26.720 Yeah.

00:29:27.720 How am I blackmailing?

00:29:28.720 No, it does.

00:29:29.720 It does.

00:29:30.720 It does sound like blackmail.

00:29:31.720 What you're saying.

00:29:32.720 Yeah.

00:29:33.720 Can I make a point?

00:29:34.720 Sorry.

00:29:35.720 What you're saying is that we have to, in order to be okay with trans, trans women and

00:29:43.720 trans men, we have to change our language. 1.00

00:29:46.720 We have to like.

00:29:47.720 No, you don't have to be okay and you don't have to change your language.

00:29:50.720 I'm saying if you want to communicate with other people that have this, the way that

00:29:55.720 they are, we'd like, to be fair, even I think like calling a trans woman a man is transphobic.

00:30:00.720 If you want change, use my language.

00:30:05.720 If you want, if you want us to do what you want, you have to use my language. 0.99

00:30:08.720 We're being forced.

00:30:09.720 We're being forced.

00:30:10.720 Okay.

00:30:11.720 So what is being transphobic, right?

00:30:12.720 It's as similar as being, I don't know, racist.

00:30:15.720 You're using inappropriate language.

00:30:17.720 It's prejudice.

00:30:18.720 It's a type of prejudice and you can't just kind of ignore this as you're trying to engage

00:30:24.720 with other people on the other side to make actual progress.

00:30:28.720 But the thing is, I don't care what you do, do what you want.

00:30:31.720 But again, it's when you force your opinions on me.

00:30:34.720 But the thing is, I think you have a good argument.

00:30:37.720 Like I do think within team sports for women, for cis women, biological women, whatever,

00:30:43.720 there are some like advantages trans women would have, which probably makes it unfair. 0.58

00:30:50.720 So for me, the sad part is that I feel like you're approaching the argument wrong because

00:30:55.720 I think you have a good point, but it's lost in the language and it's disregarded because

00:31:00.720 people just write you off as being transphobic.

00:31:02.720 Yeah.

00:31:03.720 I mean, you can feel that way, but at the end of the day, like it's, it's not really how I

00:31:07.720 feel.

00:31:08.720 I don't give a fuck.

00:31:09.720 I'm like trying to give you advice.

00:31:11.720 You know, it's very funny how her argument is very one sided because she says, we, um,

00:31:17.720 just cause the transgender people don't like what we say, they disregard it. 0.99

00:31:20.720 But she's saying we shouldn't disregard, but you're saying, you're saying we shouldn't disregard

00:31:28.720 what the transgender people are saying to make them feel comfortable, but they should

00:31:33.720 disregard what we are saying just so they can feel comfortable.

00:31:36.720 So it's a very one sided argument.

00:31:38.720 Firstly, it does happen the other way around.

00:31:40.720 Like we, we, you're already calling them delusional X, Y, Z, like you do disagree.

00:31:45.720 Hey, I call women delusional too.

00:31:47.720 So don't.

00:31:48.720 To be fair, all human beings on the planet are delusional in one way or another.

00:31:51.720 If you do not accept that, then you are the problem usually.

00:31:54.720 Then you're delusional.

00:31:55.720 Yes.

00:31:56.720 You're more delusional.

00:31:57.720 Can you, can you look at it from my point of view?

00:31:59.720 I'm a young person.

00:32:00.720 Right.

00:32:01.720 And growing up, there wasn't anything to do with trans.

00:32:05.720 Like it's a very new thing.

00:32:06.720 It's very, very new to understand how trans people are like, have become, if that makes sense.

00:32:12.720 So it is very hard for someone like me to now track, like change my language and say they and them.

00:32:19.720 I don't think you have to be perfect.

00:32:20.720 I think if you have a good intention, it doesn't matter too much.

00:32:25.720 Would you, would you guys think about people that are religious that, you know, they've been raised and their religion obviously goes back for a very long time.

00:32:32.720 And a lot of people still, I'm, so I'm Muslim.

00:32:35.720 I don't think I could ever be comfortable with accepting new terms for, you know, like, I just, I just don't think I'd ever do it.

00:32:43.720 Like, I don't think I'd, you know.

00:32:45.720 I think it's fine if you don't want to accept things, but also you're not really going to be able to engage in arguments if you're not.

00:32:51.720 The point of arguments and debate is you're trying to meet someone in the middle so that you can have a conducive conversation.

00:32:56.720 You can't engage in an argument unless you engage it in the way that I think is right.

00:33:00.720 Is basically what you're saying.

00:33:02.720 No, you need to meet people in the middle.

00:33:03.720 Yeah, but why don't they meet, why don't they meet her in the middle? 0.83

00:33:07.720 They probably would meet you in the middle.

00:33:09.720 Not if they don't, not unless she's forced to use language that she's not comfortable using.

00:33:15.720 But she just said there's religious backing still.

00:33:17.720 Do you think there's any difference between a man and a transgender woman?

00:33:19.720 Okay, but we could talk about religion, but that would be a whole other subject.

00:33:22.720 Like, any difference at all?

00:33:24.720 Like, can we not just use it because it's confusing AF if we don't say transgender woman instead of a man?

00:33:29.720 I think it's more confusing when you add in all that.

00:33:33.720 It's more?

00:33:34.720 But it's not like men, men are trying to compete with women in sports or men, men are trying to like turn off in our bathrooms and stuff.

00:33:40.720 There has to be a differentiation or the composition is fucking confusing.

00:33:44.720 No, no, I say the men that are trying to be women, that's how I would say it. 0.99

00:33:48.720 Well, they are trying to be women or transitioning into women. 0.52

00:33:51.720 You could try and assign male at birth, I guess.

00:33:53.720 I would say trying because you can't do it.

00:33:57.720 Yeah, but transitioning, they physically can do it.

00:33:59.720 That's the thing.

00:34:00.720 They can't have a womb. 0.98

00:34:01.720 They can't carry children. 1.00

00:34:03.720 They can't carry children. 1.00

00:34:04.720 They have no ovaries.

00:34:06.720 Okay, some biological women have problems doing that. 1.00

00:34:09.720 Yeah.

00:34:10.720 And like Tass said earlier, that doesn't make them any less of a woman.

00:34:14.720 Yeah.

00:34:15.720 Some men cannot impregnate their sperm for whatever reason has dysfunction.

00:34:18.720 But the difference is trans people can never do it. 1.00

00:34:20.720 Never.

00:34:21.720 Never.

00:34:22.720 That's fine.

00:34:23.720 How many people, how many heterosexual people have had children and not raised their property?

00:34:27.720 Transgender women don't need to hit the same parameters as suits or biological women. 1.00

00:34:31.720 I'm pretty sure every single transition, I'm pretty sure every single transgender person

00:34:36.720 on the planet was born from a heterosexual man and woman.

00:34:41.720 Just because someone is born man and born a woman, it doesn't give them the right to be parents. 0.87

00:34:45.720 Do you know how much effed up stuff happens because of men and women having kids? 0.95

00:34:50.720 Do you know how much, so much stuff happens.

00:34:52.720 Like I haven't seen one case so far where there's been a LGBT couple that's had a child

00:34:59.720 and they've become a mass murderer, bomb in schools.

00:35:02.720 All of the stuff that you, all of the crazy stuff that happens in the world are not born,

00:35:06.720 are not from, are not parents from transgender people.

00:35:09.720 I don't understand like what all the issue is with, you know, transgender people when there's 0.99

00:35:14.720 a lot of crazy stuff that goes on in the world that's not from transgender or LGBT. 0.89

00:35:19.720 The LGBT community are so peaceful, it's crazy. 1.00

00:35:21.720 But I've told you, but I've told you my issue.

00:35:23.720 My issue is that again, they're forcing us to live in their delusion.

00:35:27.720 But it's their peaceful community.

00:35:29.720 The LGBT community is a very peaceful community.

00:35:31.720 Okay, so if they want to do their thing in their community, fine.

00:35:34.720 I don't care at all.

00:35:36.720 They're being forced to live in your delusion.

00:35:37.720 They don't cause no destruction at all.

00:35:39.720 No rape.

00:35:40.720 My issue is when, is when you got men coming into my bathrooms, men coming into my sports, 1.00

00:35:45.720 men coming into women's spaces and forcing me to pretend that they're women.

00:35:49.720 That's where I have an issue.

00:35:50.720 But that's your prejudice and that's the problem.

00:35:52.720 No, no, it's not like prejudice.

00:35:53.720 It's not prejudice.

00:35:54.720 You have to go through that yourself.

00:35:57.720 That's something that you're going to have to come through.

00:35:58.720 I don't know if there's been people that have felt the same way about people of different races,

00:36:03.720 you know, people that have different disabilities.

00:36:07.720 It's not race.

00:36:08.720 It's literally to do with the transition of a man to woman.

00:36:12.720 I think they would feel the same way if I said I am now black.

00:36:16.720 And now I would like all of, I would like to be the head of the black student union.

00:36:21.720 I would like to be the head of all these things.

00:36:23.720 And they would have to pretend that I'm black.

00:36:25.720 And guess what?

00:36:26.720 And I think that's the only equivalent.

00:36:28.720 That's the only real equivalent.

00:36:30.720 Right. And you know what?

00:36:31.720 Maybe in 50 years time, we'll see what science does.

00:36:34.720 If they make a way for that to happen, we can have another conversation.

00:36:39.720 But right now, this is the conversation.

00:36:41.720 And the only reason why I'm bringing it up.

00:36:42.720 I just want to point out that sex already doesn't exist on a binary.

00:36:46.720 There are intersex people.

00:36:47.720 There are people that have genetic differences that does fall out of XX and XY.

00:36:51.720 So it's, there is already reasons for why we see things a little bit differently.

00:36:56.720 Whereas with black and white, it's just like, it doesn't make any sense.

00:36:59.720 Race and sex is not the same. 1.00

00:37:01.720 If you look on a DNA level, those classes of people are classed as abnormal.

00:37:06.720 It's an anomaly.

00:37:07.720 It's not natural.

00:37:08.720 It's not like a normal thing that happens.

00:37:09.720 That's the point.

00:37:10.720 Do you know what genetic differences always used to lead to in the past?

00:37:16.720 It was called evolution.

00:37:17.720 That's how we change.

00:37:18.720 That's right.

00:37:19.720 Yes.

00:37:20.720 And there are genetic differences that have led to devolution.

00:37:22.720 It's no such thing as devolution.

00:37:25.720 No, obviously it's a made up word.

00:37:28.720 But the point is, by natural selection, there are people that have existed that were not,

00:37:34.720 that did not fit into the normal binary system.

00:37:37.720 And things like that have been, like natural selection takes care of things like that naturally.

00:37:42.720 But human beings, because of technology, because of all these advancements,

00:37:46.720 we're not trying to enforce these things that if we were to leave it to actual nature,

00:37:51.720 it would actually phase out.

00:37:53.720 And Aphrodites, as they were called, and we now call them differently, have existed since the dawn of time.

00:37:59.720 Yes.

00:38:00.720 They haven't been eradicated.

00:38:01.720 No, but the point is, the point is, the point is.

00:38:02.720 Adam and Eve, when?

00:38:03.720 Yes.

00:38:04.720 The point is, if you have to leave, if you have to leave everything to nature and take science out of it,

00:38:10.720 and leave everything to nature, how we're designed, for one, eventually, at a long enough time span,

00:38:18.720 gay people can't reproduce, transsexuals, or whatever, would eventually die out, 1.00

00:38:23.720 if you have to leave everything to nature and human beings weren't going to tamper.

00:38:26.720 You're talking about nature, and how many species are there,

00:38:29.720 how many species are there on this planet, where an individual specimen can change its gender?

00:38:36.720 That happens in nature.

00:38:37.720 Yeah, but those are by design.

00:38:39.720 Human beings are not designed to do that.

00:38:41.720 That's fine.

00:38:42.720 Human beings can't change their nature through their mind.

00:38:44.720 Yeah, yeah.

00:38:45.720 In my opinion, yeah.

00:38:47.720 There is one very weird example of a woman becoming pregnant by herself.

00:38:52.720 Now, this is a very rare occurrence, okay?

00:38:55.720 But the thing with genetics is, things are weird, and we do...

00:39:00.720 There is a woman that got pregnant by herself.

00:39:03.720 Were you guys following her, making sure that she didn't go and inseminate herself?

00:39:06.720 This is the thing.

00:39:07.720 Like, this story just...

00:39:08.720 Scientific weirdness is a thing that happens.

00:39:11.720 Just as how twins can, like, eat each other, and then they have a different genetic makeup from the...

00:39:16.720 So, I have a question.

00:39:17.720 I won't get into epigenetics too much.

00:39:19.720 Because you two are both trans. 0.89

00:39:21.720 So, I'm curious.

00:39:23.720 When you guys transitioned, how old were you?

00:39:25.720 I didn't even know that.

00:39:26.720 First of all...

00:39:27.720 I guess we can't tell transgender people in the world. 0.98

00:39:28.720 First of all, thank you for allowing us.

00:39:29.720 I really appreciate that.

00:39:30.720 What?

00:39:31.720 I mean, I just...

00:39:32.720 That's like, that's something that we should have the opportunity to say if we choose to.

00:39:35.720 Okay, alright.

00:39:36.720 I just figured this is what you came on the podcast to talk about.

00:39:38.720 Sorry, I didn't mean to.

00:39:39.720 But it's still, you know, you don't necessarily out your gay friends.

00:39:42.720 Okay.

00:39:43.720 Same way you didn't necessarily out trans people.

00:39:45.720 But you can tell.

00:39:46.720 I didn't.

00:39:47.720 Well, I don't know if anyone...

00:39:48.720 Did you guys?

00:39:49.720 I'm not trying to be rude.

00:39:50.720 I'm just being honest.

00:39:51.720 I don't think they could.

00:39:52.720 I don't think Paul said anything wrong.

00:39:54.720 I think, obviously, I can understand to why you said, like, you know, it's your kind

00:39:58.720 of position to say and tell people.

00:40:01.720 But then...

00:40:03.720 This is...

00:40:04.720 I just...

00:40:05.720 I feel like if you have...

00:40:07.720 If you were a man before and now you're a female, or if you're a female and now you're 0.98

00:40:11.720 a man, do you not think that it's facts?

00:40:14.720 Like, do you not think that, you know, you still...

00:40:17.720 I don't know.

00:40:18.720 It's okay to say they're still biologically male or biologically female.

00:40:22.720 But if they're presenting as a woman or male, we can just say they're trans.

00:40:25.720 Do you want to answer the question or no?

00:40:27.720 What was the question?

00:40:28.720 When did you transition?

00:40:29.720 How old?

00:40:30.720 So I came out when I was 28.

00:40:32.720 Okay.

00:40:33.720 I started my medical transition two years ago.

00:40:34.720 Okay.

00:40:35.720 And what was the process?

00:40:36.720 The process of what?

00:40:37.720 Like of transitioning. 0.94

00:40:39.720 I'm just curious how...

00:40:41.720 In the process.

00:40:42.720 Okay.

00:40:43.720 You're still...

00:40:44.720 I don't know how it works.

00:40:45.720 I'm in the process.

00:40:46.720 Okay.

00:40:47.720 I've been transitioning medically for two years.

00:40:49.720 Okay.

00:40:50.720 What about you?

00:40:51.720 I started when I was 25.

00:40:53.720 Okay.

00:40:54.720 So my question is, did they look at you guys as hormones before?

00:40:59.720 Because I've worked...

00:41:00.720 I just...

00:41:01.720 I'm only asking because I worked with a doctor and he said sometimes trans people,

00:41:06.720 they think they're the opposite gender, but really it's like their hormones are really 0.81

00:41:10.720 off.

00:41:11.720 So I'll talk for myself.

00:41:12.720 I'll talk.

00:41:13.720 I'll talk.

00:41:14.720 I can also talk on this.

00:41:15.720 Yeah.

00:41:16.720 So like with me, yeah, I've always been a boy.

00:41:20.720 Since I was a kid.

00:41:22.720 I've always been a little boy.

00:41:25.720 And you know, I was born in 1988.

00:41:28.720 I grew up in the nineties.

00:41:29.720 First year.

00:41:30.720 Yeah.

00:41:31.720 By the time I was 18, it was like early.

00:41:34.720 I can't remember now, but you know, whatever the timeline is, but it's a different time

00:41:39.720 now than it is for then.

00:41:40.720 And I can only imagine for people that were born, you know, earlier on than me.

00:41:45.720 But for me, I had to pretend for a long time that I liked boys.

00:41:49.720 You know what I mean?

00:41:50.720 I had to pretend that I wasn't a boy trapped in a girl's body because of losing my friends, 0.96

00:42:02.720 people's opinions.

00:42:04.720 It was a lonely time.

00:42:06.720 But I've always been a boy.

00:42:08.720 I've never been interested in all of that stuff.

00:42:11.720 My parents put me in a girl's high school and I swear to you.

00:42:14.720 Yeah.

00:42:15.720 I, I was looking far and wide.

00:42:18.720 So the Tom was in my question.

00:42:20.720 My question is more like, I'm just, I'm just curious if they did anything to prevent you

00:42:25.720 from transitioning when you went to the doctor.

00:42:27.720 So if they said, let's get your hormones checked out first, let's do therapy first. 0.99

00:42:30.720 Or did they, did they just have you transition?

00:42:33.720 So like the therapy, so it wasn't really therapy.

00:42:36.720 It was like, they just asked you questions.

00:42:38.720 And like, I was never, I've always like cared about what people think.

00:42:44.720 Like I've always, I've always cared about what people think, you know, people's opinions

00:42:47.720 of me has always mattered to me.

00:42:49.720 And I got to the point where I was so unhappy that I just, I had to put myself first.

00:42:56.720 Like I had to really just say like, you're not happy with your life.

00:43:00.720 You're not happy with how you feel about yourself.

00:43:03.720 People would tell me I'm pretty and I just felt ugly.

00:43:06.720 Like, I just didn't want, I did.

00:43:09.720 I just didn't like any of it.

00:43:10.720 Do you know what I mean?

00:43:11.720 It was really difficult.

00:43:12.720 It's, it's, it's, it's, and it goes back way before.

00:43:15.720 So when you, so I'm just curious when you went to the doctors, they, they had you do therapy.

00:43:19.720 So they spoke to me, they asked me about my, my past, how long I've wanted to do this for

00:43:25.720 and all of these things and so forth.

00:43:28.720 But I was really, I was really excited.

00:43:29.720 I was like, look, I need to do this.

00:43:31.720 I'm 25.

00:43:32.720 I look in the mirror.

00:43:33.720 I don't see a 25 year old man.

00:43:35.720 And I felt crap.

00:43:37.720 I felt really crap.

00:43:38.720 You know what I mean?

00:43:39.720 And even when I started my transition, I didn't get any facial hair for a long time.

00:43:42.720 I felt really crap.

00:43:43.720 Okay.

00:43:44.720 So, so when you went in.

00:43:45.720 It's important.

00:43:46.720 So did they, did they do therapy first?

00:43:48.720 This is my question.

00:43:49.720 I'm just asking, what do they do to prevent it?

00:43:50.720 Or do they just give you guys drugs?

00:43:52.720 I don't.

00:43:53.720 All they do, like they let you talk, they give you an open space and they judge you based

00:43:56.720 on, in my opinion, in my experience, this was like 10 years ago, but they, they, they

00:44:01.720 ask you relevant questions and they base it on what they perceive, how serious you are.

00:44:06.720 Okay.

00:44:07.720 So therapy.

00:44:08.720 Yes or no.

00:44:09.720 I just want, do they have you do therapy first?

00:44:11.720 Yes or no.

00:44:12.720 I, I personally wouldn't call it therapy.

00:44:15.720 In my opinion.

00:44:16.720 Okay.

00:44:17.720 That's not what I would call it.

00:44:18.720 Wait, how old were you when you started?

00:44:19.720 Did you say you were 25?

00:44:20.720 Okay.

00:44:21.720 When you started?

00:44:22.720 Me.

00:44:23.720 Yeah.

00:44:24.720 Okay.

00:44:25.720 So he wasn't a kid anyway, right?

00:44:26.720 I'm not saying they should or they shouldn't.

00:44:27.720 I'm just asking.

00:44:28.720 Okay.

00:44:29.720 So yes, no.

00:44:30.720 Okay.

00:44:31.720 Sorry.

00:44:32.720 Yes.

00:44:33.720 No.

00:44:34.720 But they, what they probably gave me the same thing.

00:44:35.720 How long did you do therapy for?

00:44:36.720 I had 20 sessions of therapy.

00:44:37.720 I had 20 sessions of therapy.

00:44:38.720 That's like over what?

00:44:39.720 Three months?

00:44:40.720 Four months?

00:44:41.720 No, it was over longer than that.

00:44:42.720 Okay.

00:44:43.720 Um, and then, um, yeah, like I, there was quite a rigorous, um, like a discussion, like

00:44:51.720 couple discussions with, um, psychologists, um, you know, like it was, I was 28 when I

00:45:00.720 went to my GP about it.

00:45:02.720 Um, I was 32 or 33, uh, just before, no, I was 32 when I started hormones.

00:45:10.720 I had already thought about every single possibility.

00:45:13.720 This is not necessarily something I actually wanted to do to my body, but this is something

00:45:17.720 that actually saved my life.

00:45:19.720 Um, um, I, like, um, like you, I, I knew from quite young, from when I was about four, that

00:45:26.720 I was very, very different.

00:45:27.720 There was something that didn't connect.

00:45:29.720 Um, I tried to ignore that.

00:45:31.720 I tried to absolutely eradicate that from my being, especially as it was always said to

00:45:36.720 me so negatively, oh, you want to be a boy in it?

00:45:38.720 Oh, dah, dah, dah, dah.

00:45:39.720 All of this, it was always extremely negative connotations.

00:45:42.720 So I really tried to, and that was from being young.

00:45:44.720 There was, there was like, we, you know, they were, they were transgender people within

00:45:47.720 my community when I was a kid in South London.

00:45:49.720 Okay.

00:45:50.720 So, but you did roughly six months, a year of therapy.

00:45:53.720 Yeah.

00:45:54.720 Okay.

00:45:55.720 Which one?

00:45:56.720 Six months or a year?

00:45:57.720 Just over six months.

00:45:58.720 Okay.

00:45:59.720 Six months of therapy.

00:46:00.720 And then did they check you guys' hormones first?

00:46:01.720 They checked mine.

00:46:02.720 They checked mine.

00:46:03.720 So did you have like low, high testosterone?

00:46:05.720 Like what?

00:46:06.720 To be honest, I don't know.

00:46:07.720 I didn't ask.

00:46:08.720 Okay.

00:46:09.720 Cause I just imagine that would be something they'd go through with you if they're checking

00:46:13.720 it.

00:46:14.720 Possible.

00:46:15.720 I mean, to be honest.

00:46:16.720 You don't remember?

00:46:17.720 No, I got ADHD as well.

00:46:18.720 Okay.

00:46:19.720 I mean, it's fine because you could just not.

00:46:20.720 What about you?

00:46:21.720 They check your hormones.

00:46:22.720 You don't remember?

00:46:23.720 They do.

00:46:24.720 Yeah.

00:46:25.720 Yeah.

00:46:26.720 Yeah.

00:46:27.720 They check my, they check my hormones and stuff, but I can't remember what the results

00:46:28.720 was.

00:46:29.720 I will say there is more to it than just having abnormally high.

00:46:32.720 I am an owner of abnormally high testosterone.

00:46:35.720 I take two antiandrogens myself because I have polycystic ovary syndrome.

00:46:42.720 Insulin resistance is high.

00:46:45.720 These medications have stopped me from experiences.

00:46:48.720 And some of the medications would be the same as what a trans woman would take. 0.92

00:46:53.720 So I do think that being a trans woman, there's more to it than just having high, a lot of women

00:46:58.720 just have high testosterone.

00:46:59.720 So strategy.

00:47:00.720 Yeah.

00:47:01.720 I love XXX.

00:47:02.720 I love XXX.

00:47:03.720 Yeah.

00:47:04.720 I love XXX.

00:47:05.720 I love XXX.

00:47:06.720 Yeah.

00:47:07.720 Yeah.

00:47:08.720 But, thats some

00:47:09.060 fuckingaborate. 0.96

00:47:09.720 Lemmum.

00:47:10.720 Yeah.

00:47:11.720 Yeah.

00:47:13.720 My pleasure.

00:47:26.720 Well, no.

00:47:27.720 Too good at this, but also very shiny Celia.

JustPearlyThings - July 03, 2023

The Level of DELUSION is Choking

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