The SHOCKING REALITY Behind Body Positivity
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Summary
In this episode, we discuss whether or not it's okay to be fat. We discuss the benefits and drawbacks of being fat in a world where we are constantly told to lose weight and get fitter. We also discuss why we should be focusing on getting fitter rather than losing weight.
Transcript
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I would say that the weight loss industry are the people who profit most from people being fat.
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Because they, like Slimming World, for example,
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is designed so that you keep going back into it and back into it and back into it.
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That's why they give you these point systems and they do these things that keep you trapped
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because they want you to remain losing weight forever.
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I'd rather a society that sells weight loss pills than a society that tells you,
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What you should prefer is a world full of greens, fresh things, fresh vegetables.
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That's how you know you've been watching too many magazines and too many internet things.
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Because his point is at least you're going towards the ideal instead of saying you're okay as is.
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Not saying that the pills are good, but he's saying he would rather live in a world where we're at least trying to be thin.
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You just acknowledged how people go back to being fat.
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The fashion industry doesn't actually care about plus size.
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When you order plus size clothes, it's poorer quality and the cuts are just basic.
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So the brands are just doing what they're doing.
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And the biggest thing for me is, why are they still trying to keep big people like transfer?
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No, they don't make money because they're just selling.
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No, they're just making their quick buck because they don't actually care.
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I think the whole point isn't should they push it.
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But 100% is targeted more towards women because men idolize people in good shape, fitness
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trainers, people with good physiques online because they want to go the opposite route
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and get a good body to attract a high quality woman.
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Well, isn't it because the market spend sits with women?
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Women are like the consumers when it comes to fashion.
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It's like nothing to do with men and being attractive.
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It's just that like women spend more money on looking good.
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That's why there's more female plus size models.
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But men go in the opposite direction and want to shred as much as they can or get in the
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Probably not weight loss supplements, but just who's looking to get big in the gym?
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And not the big, like fat big, but good physique big.
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I'm pretty sure we're all in this conversation and we understand the terminology around it.
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I think there's also something to be said around treating bigger people who clearly are not
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PTs and are not in the gym as much as you guys or healthier, fitter people as if they
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It's just that certain people are not doing anything about it actively or some people are
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But there's a certain amount of arrogance, I think, around people who are fit and the
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way that they perceive people who are unfit and how that manifests as treatment of others.
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Which is why, like, have you heard of that woman who, like, she was really big and she
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She thinks that plane seats should be, like, three seats wide because...
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Right, because she can't, like, fit in a single plane seat.
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Like, that, there's a certain amount of ignorance from fit people towards unfit people and I think
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Arrogance and ignorance, like, just that clarification.
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It's like, we know what you mean by getting big in the gym.
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I think the fat who are asking for extramural on the plane are claiming to be victims.
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They're the ones walking around with arrogance and saying, hey, I deserve better treatment.
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They just look at you maybe that you have a lack of discipline or maybe you could make
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I would encourage all my fat mates to lose weight and get in better shape.
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That doesn't mean I look down upon them at all.
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Do you think there's a back and forth between the fit and the unfit and it's sort of like
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the anti-gets-ups where you've got people asking for, like, three literal plane seats
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so that they can sit comfortably on a plane and then you've got fit people who are antagonising
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Do you not think there's a back and forth between those two halves of society?
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A lot of people who are big and feel particularly sensitive about being big, they would see
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Whereas you guys might see it as, like, a healthy bit of bullying and it gets you to
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But people, like, being fat is a very sensitive issue because it stems from an emotional deficit.
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And that's something that I think a lot of people would accept as being true.
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So if it stems from an emotional deficit, you know that it's a sensitive subject.
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I think most fit people, I mean, I've even offered us at any day, you guys want to work
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Even one of my other producers struggles with his weight, I make him go up the stairs with
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Like, I think most fit people, I don't make him, he does it out of his free will.
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But, no, but, like, most fit people will help you.
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But, like, I just think we get to a point where fat people don't want to talk about what's
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The reality is you shouldn't be content at it as is.
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The reality is a lot of people will have problems because of the choices that you make.
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But I would say maybe, I'm not saying they're denying it.
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I'm saying the movement in general, I'm not talking about you guys personally, says to
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I don't think we should focus on mental health.
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I think we should focus on physical health first.
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I just think that both things can exist at once.
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Like, I think that you can want to be better and you can improve yourself and you can also
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not hold yourself back from things that you want to do.
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And with the plane seat thing, that's a really complicated one because I can empathize with
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the pain that they must feel, how embarrassing that must be.
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And I can understand the jerk reaction to be like, oh, well, the seat should just be bigger.
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But, like, when I couldn't go down a slide, my thought was not this slide should be bigger.
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Like, this is not normal that I can't go down this slide.
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But I've also sat on a plane before where I've had a bigger person next to me and they've
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And I felt really sad that they felt like they had to do that.
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Don't you think, like, all of these adjustments are enabling it?
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Like, making bigger clothes, making bigger seats, making, like, putting models in the
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Like, is it in a way it's enabling it the same way?
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It's the same way handing alcohol and making it easy to drink is enabling an alcoholic.
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People used to train to fit in a wedding dress a couple of years ago now.
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People used to go to the art post and be like, listen, I want to get in this wedding
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Yeah, but when people get married, I don't know anyone who's got married and not tried
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No, but Pearl's question was, is it enabling people to get fatter?
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And I don't think any of my skinny friends have ever looked at me and been like, do you
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They're saying, because you're seeing it everywhere, and it's okay, we can do this, that it's enabling
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Even if it's subconsciously, I can still eat like this.
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And honestly, like, because, I mean, my big thing is I have a sugar addiction.
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I kind of like it when people, like, when I'm eating something bad, and someone says
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Like, because I'm like, yeah, I probably shouldn't.
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I think those things are part of normal conversations, though.
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I don't think there's anything necessarily wrong with that specifically.
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Like, my boyfriend is skinny, and I'll say that to him, because he has a major sweet
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Like, and I'll be like, that is your second piece of cake today, you know?
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Do you know skinny people could have a high visceral fat?
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That's a huge thing that is missed out in the body positivity movement.
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And I think it gets to a point where we have to stop helping people how they want to be
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helped and help them how they need to be helped.
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When people have a really serious drug addiction, there comes a point where your loved ones, you
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And your people, they sit you down and they say, you need help.
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You're going to rehab for six to 12 months, and you're not coming back until you sort yourself
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So at what point do we stop helping people how they want to be helped and help them how
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So depending on the person is how they would want to be helped.
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How do fat people in general need to be helped?
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Do the government need to come in and say, okay, no more McDonald's?