JustPearlyThings - The SHOCKING REALITY Behind Body Positivity

00:00:00.000 What about marketing to kids?

00:00:01.720 Yeah, because they don't care.

00:00:02.520 Do you think it's only a good message to kids?

00:00:03.960 I actually, so I would say...

00:00:04.960 That, hey, it's okay to be fat?

00:00:05.940 I would say that the weight loss industry are the people who profit most from people being fat.

00:00:10.200 Because they, like Slimming World, for example,

00:00:12.900 is designed so that you keep going back into it and back into it and back into it.

00:00:16.400 That's why they give you these point systems and they do these things that keep you trapped

00:00:19.340 because they want you to remain losing weight forever.

00:00:21.440 They don't actually want you to get fitter.

00:00:22.800 I'd rather a society...

00:00:23.600 The weight loss industry is worse.

00:00:24.920 I'd rather a society that sells weight loss pills than a society that tells you,

00:00:28.420 hey, it's okay, get fat and die early.

00:00:30.660 Nobody says that.

00:00:31.660 That is the most silliest thing you've said.

00:00:33.460 What you should prefer is a world full of greens, fresh things, fresh vegetables.

00:00:39.240 Organic stuff, yeah.

00:00:40.020 That's how you know you've been watching too many magazines and too many internet things.

00:00:44.600 Because pills are never good.

00:00:47.920 Pills are just made up in a lot of chemicals.

00:00:49.400 If you had to choose one.

00:00:50.540 I agree with you on that.

00:00:51.620 I agree with you on that.

00:00:52.740 Because his point is at least you're going towards the ideal instead of saying you're okay as is.

00:00:58.420 Not saying that the pills are good, but he's saying he would rather live in a world where we're at least trying to be thin.

00:01:03.720 You just acknowledged how people go back to being fat.

00:01:06.440 Okay, all right, Perl.

00:01:07.540 You acknowledged that.

00:01:08.360 You know the fashion...

00:01:09.080 It's true, yeah.

00:01:09.980 The fashion industry doesn't actually care about plus size.

00:01:14.060 They don't.

00:01:14.480 When you order plus size clothes, it's poorer quality and the cuts are just basic.

00:01:20.560 So the brands are just doing what they're doing.

00:01:22.480 And the biggest thing for me is, why are they still trying to keep big people like transfer?

00:01:27.520 Because they make more money.

00:01:29.340 No, they don't make money because they're just selling.

00:01:31.160 They're not actually promoting plus size.

00:01:32.620 They're just making their quick buck.

00:01:33.500 Because it's actually popular now.

00:01:34.780 They make more money.

00:01:35.500 No, they're just making their quick buck because they don't actually care.

00:01:38.360 They make more money.

00:01:39.200 It's not effort, effort.

00:01:40.360 It's not even brands caring about plus size.

00:01:45.700 I think the whole point isn't should they push it.

00:01:48.800 It's that they do.

00:01:50.200 And right now they do.

00:01:51.740 I don't think they do for men.

00:01:53.300 I don't think...

00:01:54.100 You're right.

00:01:54.780 It's mostly to pander to women. 0.99

00:01:56.820 I agree.

00:01:57.660 Body positivity is not a male movement.

00:01:59.980 It's absolutely a female movement. 1.00

00:02:02.100 I agree with you.

00:02:02.820 But there are plus size male models.

00:02:05.340 There are like on online shopping sites.

00:02:07.040 There's plus size male models. 0.89

00:02:07.920 But 100% is targeted more towards women because men idolize people in good shape, fitness

00:02:13.960 trainers, people with good physiques online because they want to go the opposite route

00:02:18.800 and get a good body to attract a high quality woman. 1.00

00:02:22.380 Well, isn't it because the market spend sits with women? 1.00

00:02:25.180 Women are like the consumers when it comes to fashion. 1.00

00:02:30.960 Women make 80% of consumer buying decisions. 1.00

00:02:33.500 You're right.

00:02:33.820 Right.

00:02:34.000 So it's not necessarily that men...

00:02:36.480 It's like nothing to do with men and being attractive.

00:02:38.820 It's just that like women spend more money on looking good. 1.00

00:02:41.460 No fucks. 0.99

00:02:42.220 Yeah, I would say, yeah.

00:02:43.360 In terms of fashion, 100%.

00:02:45.080 That's why there's more female plus size models. 1.00

00:02:47.400 But men go in the opposite direction and want to shred as much as they can or get in the 0.72

00:02:51.460 best shape possible.

00:02:52.300 Who's buying more protein supplements? 0.97

00:02:54.160 Who's buying more weight...

00:02:55.700 Probably not weight loss supplements, but just who's looking to get big in the gym?

00:02:59.400 Men.

00:03:02.180 And not the big, like fat big, but good physique big.

00:03:06.360 We're not stupid.

00:03:07.820 We know what you mean.

00:03:08.500 I'm pretty sure we're all in this conversation and we understand the terminology around it.

00:03:14.760 I think there's also something to be said around treating bigger people who clearly are not

00:03:20.480 PTs and are not in the gym as much as you guys or healthier, fitter people as if they

00:03:24.940 were born yesterday.

00:03:26.020 A lot of us, like, we know the fact.

00:03:28.240 It's just that certain people are not doing anything about it actively or some people are

00:03:32.520 on that journey and still look big.

00:03:34.400 But there's a certain amount of arrogance, I think, around people who are fit and the

00:03:40.160 way that they perceive people who are unfit and how that manifests as treatment of others.

00:03:45.560 Which is why, like, have you heard of that woman who, like, she was really big and she 1.00

00:03:49.820 wants to buy it?

00:03:50.520 She thinks that plane seats should be, like, three seats wide because...

00:03:54.120 Oh my God, we spoke about our last podcast.

00:03:56.020 Right, because she can't, like, fit in a single plane seat. 0.95

00:03:59.040 Like, that, there's a certain amount of ignorance from fit people towards unfit people and I think

00:04:06.000 that's why it manifests...

00:04:06.820 What do you mean, ignorance?

00:04:08.620 Arrogance and ignorance, like, just that clarification.

00:04:11.240 It's like, we know what you mean by getting big in the gym.

00:04:13.400 It's like, there's context that I think...

00:04:16.400 I don't think he was being arrogant.

00:04:18.360 No, not at all.

00:04:19.520 I'm more...

00:04:20.060 I think it's the other way around.

00:04:22.280 I think the fat who are asking for extramural on the plane are claiming to be victims. 0.56

00:04:27.280 They're the ones walking around with arrogance and saying, hey, I deserve better treatment.

00:04:31.220 Whereas the fit don't look down on you.

00:04:33.720 They just look at you maybe that you have a lack of discipline or maybe you could make

00:04:38.060 healthier choices.

00:04:38.720 I would encourage all my fat mates to lose weight and get in better shape. 0.70

00:04:43.720 That doesn't mean I look down upon them at all.

00:04:45.840 Do you think there's a back and forth between the fit and the unfit and it's sort of like

00:04:49.560 the anti-gets-ups where you've got people asking for, like, three literal plane seats

00:04:54.080 so that they can sit comfortably on a plane and then you've got fit people who are antagonising

00:04:58.880 fat people for the way they look.

00:05:00.200 Do you not think there's a back and forth between those two halves of society?

00:05:02.780 What do you call antagonising though?

00:05:04.220 I don't think fit people are antagonised.

00:05:06.100 I think, like, we're talking about victimhood.

00:05:08.300 A lot of people who are big and feel particularly sensitive about being big, they would see

00:05:12.880 particular comments as antagonising.

00:05:15.300 Whereas you guys might see it as, like, a healthy bit of bullying and it gets you to

00:05:18.560 where you want to be.

00:05:19.740 But people, like, being fat is a very sensitive issue because it stems from an emotional deficit.

00:05:24.960 And that's something that I think a lot of people would accept as being true.

00:05:28.260 So if it stems from an emotional deficit, you know that it's a sensitive subject.

00:05:32.940 I think fit people are trying to help.

00:05:37.300 I really do.

00:05:38.480 I think most fit people, I mean, I've even offered us at any day, you guys want to work

00:05:43.440 out, 11 a.m.

00:05:45.260 Come here, I swear to God, I'll do it.

00:05:46.600 I'll tell you.

00:05:47.220 Even one of my other producers struggles with his weight, I make him go up the stairs with

00:05:53.780 me.

00:05:54.320 Like, I think most fit people, I don't make him, he does it out of his free will.

00:05:58.200 Don't clip that.

00:05:59.080 But, no, but, like, most fit people will help you.

00:06:03.540 Like, most fit people are encouraging.

00:06:05.620 But, like, I just think we get to a point where fat people don't want to talk about what's

00:06:09.180 reality.

00:06:10.040 Yeah.

00:06:10.240 And the reality is it is an early grave.

00:06:12.280 The reality is you shouldn't be content at it as is.

00:06:14.980 The reality is a lot of people will have problems because of the choices that you make.

00:06:19.800 Nobody has denied that, though.

00:06:21.340 But I would say maybe, I'm not saying they're denying it.

00:06:26.260 I'm saying the movement in general, I'm not talking about you guys personally, says to

00:06:30.500 be content as is and focuses on mental health.

00:06:33.640 I don't think we should focus on mental health.

00:06:35.900 I think we should focus on physical health first.

00:06:38.400 I just think that both things can exist at once.

00:06:41.060 And that's my standpoint.

00:06:42.160 Like, I think that you can want to be better and you can improve yourself and you can also

00:06:46.100 not hold yourself back from things that you want to do.

00:06:48.300 And with the plane seat thing, that's a really complicated one because I can empathize with

00:06:52.520 the pain that they must feel, how embarrassing that must be.

00:06:54.660 And I can understand the jerk reaction to be like, oh, well, the seat should just be bigger.

00:06:58.020 I understand that.

00:06:59.000 But, like, when I couldn't go down a slide, my thought was not this slide should be bigger.

00:07:03.200 Right.

00:07:03.320 It was I should be smaller.

00:07:05.040 Like, this is not normal that I can't go down this slide.

00:07:07.340 But I've also sat on a plane before where I've had a bigger person next to me and they've

00:07:10.860 apologized for their weight.

00:07:12.100 And I felt really sad that they felt like they had to do that.

00:07:14.500 Don't you think, like, all of these adjustments are enabling it?

00:07:18.300 Like, making bigger clothes, making bigger seats, making, like, putting models in the 0.93

00:07:23.100 media.

00:07:24.000 Like, is it in a way it's enabling it the same way?

00:07:26.520 It's the same thing I was 100%.

00:07:27.520 It's the same way handing alcohol and making it easy to drink is enabling an alcoholic.

00:07:31.420 That's what I was saying.

00:07:32.700 People used to train to fit in a wedding dress a couple of years ago now.

00:07:37.360 People used to go to the art post and be like, listen, I want to get in this wedding

00:07:40.580 dress.

00:07:40.820 I want to be a certain weight.

00:07:42.600 Everyone still does that.

00:07:43.760 No.

00:07:44.540 I think they are plus size.

00:07:46.640 No.

00:07:47.000 No, no, no.

00:07:47.820 Girl, come on. 1.00

00:07:48.660 I don't think people...

00:07:49.300 60% of us are overweight.

00:07:51.620 Like, they do not.

00:07:52.260 Yeah, but when people get married, I don't know anyone who's got married and not tried

00:07:56.380 to lose weight for their wedding day.

00:07:58.260 No, but Pearl's question was, is it enabling people to get fatter?

00:08:01.760 To a degree.

00:08:02.220 No, I don't think that anybody...

00:08:04.420 Like, I have a lot of skinny friends.

00:08:05.720 Most of my friends are skinny.

00:08:06.960 And I don't think any of my skinny friends have ever looked at me and been like, do you

00:08:10.240 know what?

00:08:10.640 I'd like to get fatter.

00:08:11.740 They've never...

00:08:12.560 It's just never happened.

00:08:13.800 No, no, but it's enabling you.

00:08:15.380 It's enabling you.

00:08:16.060 They're not saying, I want to get fatter.

00:08:17.600 They're saying, because you're seeing it everywhere, and it's okay, we can do this, that it's enabling

00:08:22.680 them to get fatter.

00:08:23.840 I don't disagree.

00:08:24.260 Even if it's subconsciously, I can still eat like this.

00:08:26.500 And honestly, like, because, I mean, my big thing is I have a sugar addiction.

00:08:30.080 I kind of like it when people, like, when I'm eating something bad, and someone says

00:08:34.100 something to me about it.

00:08:35.660 Like, because I'm like, yeah, I probably shouldn't.

00:08:37.440 Like, I think it's helpful.

00:08:38.680 Makes you feel guilty.

00:08:39.640 Yeah.

00:08:40.640 I think those things are part of normal conversations, though.

00:08:43.380 I don't think there's anything necessarily wrong with that specifically.

00:08:46.640 Like, my boyfriend is skinny, and I'll say that to him, because he has a major sweet

00:08:50.800 tooth, and he eats a lot of crap.

00:08:52.720 Like, and I'll be like, that is your second piece of cake today, you know?

00:08:56.100 Yeah.

00:08:56.580 And he's not fat.

00:08:57.780 Like, I think that's a normal conversation.

00:08:59.500 But we're both mentally stable people.

00:09:01.400 You can't say that to everyone.

00:09:02.240 Do you know skinny people could have a high visceral fat?

00:09:04.580 Mm-hmm.

00:09:05.180 Yeah.

00:09:06.160 That's a huge thing that is missed out in the body positivity movement.

00:09:09.340 And I think it gets to a point where we have to stop helping people how they want to be

00:09:13.500 helped and help them how they need to be helped.

00:09:15.620 It's like, we talked about it earlier, right?

00:09:17.340 When people have a really serious drug addiction, there comes a point where your loved ones, you

00:09:22.120 have, like, a bit of an intervention, right?

00:09:23.660 And your people, they sit you down and they say, you need help.

00:09:26.840 You're going to die.

00:09:27.880 Your kids need you around.

00:09:29.440 So off you go.

00:09:30.300 You're going to rehab for six to 12 months, and you're not coming back until you sort yourself

00:09:33.760 out.

00:09:34.660 So at what point do we stop helping people how they want to be helped and help them how

00:09:38.560 they need to be helped?

00:09:39.400 How do fat people need to be helped? 0.59

00:09:42.240 Well, it depends on the person, doesn't it?

00:09:43.520 Well, you said not that they want to be.

00:09:45.000 That's how.

00:09:45.520 So depending on the person is how they would want to be helped.

00:09:47.740 No, it depends.

00:09:48.280 How do fat people in general need to be helped?

00:09:50.700 Do the government need to come in and say, okay, no more McDonald's?

00:09:53.500 Well, I don't have the answer to that.

00:09:54.540 Their friends, family and people around them.

00:09:56.480 I'm not the...

JustPearlyThings - June 26, 2023

The SHOCKING REALITY Behind Body Positivity

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