This Debate Gets Heated With Andrew Tate
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Summary
In this episode, we discuss the concept of autonomy and what it means to be an autonomous female in the modern world. We also discuss how women should be able to be autonomous in their relationships with men, and how to make a man feel like a man again.
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So I respect that you can then tell her, I want you to do this, babe.
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But a lot of women, they want autonomy over themselves.
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Personally, I don't want a man that's going to provide for me just so he can tell me to sit down.
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It's just a matter of whether you're happy with the life that man...
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It's just a matter of whether you're happy with the life that man is capable of giving.
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And this goes back into the earlier points we were saying.
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You can find a good man who will work his ass off and give you the best life he can possibly give you.
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Give you every ounce of strength inside of him.
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But if you're going to wake up and go, no, I don't want that life.
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And this is the cognitive dissonance that most females operate under where they sit and go, I want that life.
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As you said earlier, you get to a point where you're like, you know what?
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Maybe all that glitz and glam and bullshit isn't worth it.
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And I'm saying that a lot of women get to that point.
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The problem is, in the modern world, the shit women did before they got to that point, from 19 to 24, pisses the man off to the point where he's never going to be as good as he could be.
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I know plenty of people, first man, high school sweethearts.
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The second man, they've been married forever, 50-year marriages.
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And then we have to tie back into all the other sub points I've made.
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Into, you've had a very fun life at your peak sexual value from 19 to 24, running around doing X, Y, Z.
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Now you're with this guy who can't give you the life he knows you've already lived.
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His status is damaged because all the shit you did is on Instagram.
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And now you're expecting a whole bunch of crap out of him.
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And now, when he comes and works his ass off and manages to save up and buy a BMW and picks you up.
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It's about making him feel like he's a man again and that he's in charge.
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A woman should have to make a man feel like a man.
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You're sitting here going, I'm an autonomous female.
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You're damaging the psyche of the man who's trying to love you.
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Does loving mean that you listen to what I have to say and also think about what I want and not just what you want?
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It gets to a point where you have to sit and analyze the scenario you're in and try and realize and pick your battles.
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And I'm telling you, you may not realize it, but a man does a whole bunch of shit for you that you don't know.
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He's listening to you talk gossip about the girls at work.
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He's fucking going, yeah, I like that dress, that dress.
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If my man caters to me, I will do anything to make him happy.
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If he says, oh, babe, I like this meal, I will make sure I can cook it for him.
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If I was a woman and I had to make a man as attracted to me as possible, my goal would be to give that man status and make him feel good about himself.
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And I'd be very, very careful talking too much about life experiences or opposing views.
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But because he's trying to find somebody with a similar life view.
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He's trying to find somebody he can show the world to.
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Trying to find somebody he can feel like he can teach things to.
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I'll tell you how you get the best out of a man.
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No, but if you go into a man's room when he's playing video games and he's playing video games and you say, all you do is play video games and you nag him, he'll play video games.
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I've seen you do so many amazing things and you've said so many amazing things.
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Why do you waste your time playing video games?
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Now you're going to get him off the fucking console.
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I know your old girls are like, why should I have to do that?
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Because he tells you to look pretty in the morning.
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Well, why should you have to work hard in the gym to get six pack?
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And you just fucking refuse to be agreeable, nice people.
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And then you wonder why men have this fucking problem married?
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And for your birthday, he gets you, let's say, a $500 gift.
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Then you found out last year, he got his ex-girlfriend an entire birthday party.
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He got her everything she wanted the year before.
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And maybe, like, you know, he bought her flowers every day, 365 days a year, and he didn't do that for me.
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It's like, well, if that's what makes her happy, he's going to do what makes her happy.
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I mean, I get the angle of what you're saying is like, oh, she did, you know, he did all that for her.
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And I agree, but I'm just saying that's how men look at, like, your past is, like, basically, like, you've given it for free.
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Okay, so here's my question to that, because, all right, I love, like, everything we're talking about.
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Okay, so to all the viewers out there, including myself, right, you live life, there's gray area, you live and you fucking learn, right?
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So do I play the shame game where everybody walks away a fucking loser?
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I've beat myself up my entire life for every decision I've ever made, right?
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I see the world differently through a series of events, right?
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Because I'm not, it's like, if you don't, if it's not, like, gifted to you, like, even in your situation, like, your dad provided you a life that, like, so many people would kill for.
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So that's why it's like, it sucks, because the reason I hate these conversations is because it's never about, like, empathy.
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Do I understand the scales and how someone may view you for this, this, that, and the third?
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So, okay, so I'm just going to, like I said, make it about myself.
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I'm 30, single, mom, my fucking checkered past is all over Instagram, you know what I mean?
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I have people like you, she's a ho, she's a, she's literally known for this.
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Okay, so what would, what would be your advice to people like me, then?
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Okay, well, that's unfortunate, because there's gray.
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I just, I just, to answer, wait, I'm going to answer your question.
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I mean, I just think there's consequences for your decisions, and I just think, like,
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my best advice would be to, like, lower your standards, like that, because, because I just
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think there's going to be consequences for putting, you know, promiscuous stuff on the
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And you probably won't get the type of guy that you could have got at 22.
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I would say, because I'm 30 and I'm single out of a situation that actually is not because
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I was a hoe and I was doing whatever, whatever.
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I made a bad decision to be with somebody that hurt me a lot, and I stayed for five
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What I learned is that I know now that I have to be selective and I have to think.
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If me taking longer to get to that stage is what it takes, then that's what it takes.
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You accept everything with gratitude, because as long as you're breathing, that's the most
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I am not afraid, because I know the quality of woman that I am.
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I know my value, regardless of whether I'm 30, 40, 50.
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So you don't be afraid by other people's time limits and limitations and all of these
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But Danelle, your value goes down as you get older.
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Like, no, but I'm saying to men, and you have to understand your buyer.
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Because since Mr. Andrew Tate explained something about status, I understand very well what that
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And as a woman, the quality and the value that I hold for myself is actually the kind
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of value and quality that a man will appreciate the status you'll bring to him, whether or
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Because I've worked on myself to be a woman of quality and substance.
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And that is the way that you're going to actually overcome all of these bad mistakes that you've
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made, because who you are right now actually will make a difference if you stick to it
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and if you mean it and if you've always been that way.
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You'll be afraid to discuss somebody that's more emotionally mature.
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I really, because you've been through a lot in your life.
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Like, when she told me that you were going to be on and we were going to be on this panel
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together, I started watching a bunch of your videos.
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And it really was like, there's so much that you have been through, which is why you have
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And the difference between me and you is that you're glorified for it and I am burned at
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the stake for everything that I've been through.
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And it's so funny because people have always said that we were two sides of the same coin
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as far as like, well, if Andrew Tate gets banned, Bernie Renner should get banned because
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there's, we are all about accountability and fucking truth, right?
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That's the difference between the masculine and the feminine.
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The world's not fair, but that's the difference between the masculine and the feminine.
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Men are respected for going through things and surviving.
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They're ashamed for going through things and surviving.
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If you look at women love scars on men for a reason, he's gone through something.
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Because I'll say this right now, that a woman, the more trauma she goes through, the more
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And if you were to give me my ideal woman, I would not want of, I've wanted her to have
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I like the idea of her having a soft feminine life and being a soft person and I can take
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Whereas as a man, to be a good man, you need to have been through a bunch of trauma because
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if you haven't been through trauma as a man, you're a weakling.
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So the masculine, the feminine is a very interesting point there.
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As for, I don't know, I don't know your history.
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I don't know the past, but we can just talk in general, generalizations in regards to-
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People like me, I guess, under the same umbrella.
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I don't know any of it, but we'll give generalizations.
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One of the main reasons that men are scared of a female with history is because it makes
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So this is why men will snap or get angry quick, or they'll bring up your history.
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If you get an argument with him, he'll bring up your history, whatever.
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And it's not insecurity because the man is insecure.
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The woman, the women, the female paradigm in society convinces men, any man who says anything,
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It's insecure in a very realistic, logical way.
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Like I was saying earlier, she's had a lot of life experience.
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And then part of it comes down to, well, am I second place?
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Could, if she could do better, would she do better?
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Like there's a whole bunch of insecurity involved.
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And that's where tiny things, like I'm talking, I know it sounds like dumb shit, tiny things
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about the favorite car brand become more important than ever, right?
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It's your job as a woman, regardless of how much sexual history you've had or what guy
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you're with, et cetera, it's your job as a woman to make your man feel secure in the
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Like auntie was saying, make him feel like the man, no matter what he does so that he
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feels like you really truly believe he's the best choice for you on the planet.
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Now, if you've had a checkered past, that's perhaps more difficult.
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You need to be more tactful with it, more tactical about it.
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So yeah, it's easy for me if I get a 21-year-old virgin from some village in Slovakia and I'm
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Of course, it's a very easy, she's never had better.
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But like you said, the world's not so idealistic.
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The reality is that people have had relationships, et cetera, et cetera.
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But a man is happiest in the relationship when he feels like man in the house and when he
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truly feels like you believe he's the best man that you could possibly ever get and have
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And I used to say, I used to say, no, but I said it's a joke.
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I was like, yeah, you fucked that guy before I even knew you.
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So he is at competition with all of your exes and all of your lifestyle and all the things
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And it's down to you as a woman to sit there and go, how do I make him secure in himself
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and secure in his masculinity and make him believe that investing in me is still worthwhile
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because I still truly value him despite the fact that I could do X, Y, Z.
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I would have said, oh, for anybody in that situation, come off social media and just raise
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So the person who meets you has got nothing to...
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I never knew who you were because I've never heard of you before.
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So when I spoke to you, by the way people, by the way you're saying, like, what's on the
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Let me just say, you're a nicer person than what you sound like, like what you perceive
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Like you were saying, oh, that pill's got out there, she's a whore, she's a whore, and I've
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heard, I've heard the name, but I don't know anything about you.
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And I was saying that if you didn't have nothing on social media about your checkered past and
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you met somebody, the same way how I met you and I conversed and I got to know you, is
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Yeah, and it is interesting, and it's also, back to the masculine and feminine, right?
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Because I'm all over the internet, and supposedly I'm misogynist and I'm evil and all this crap,
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But if I meet a girl, even if she disagrees with me, in fact, I'll say this, I've never
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ever met a single female who's ever come up to me and disagreed with me.
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Every woman comes up to me and loves what I says.
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But let's imagine, I met this imaginary girl, she was sitting with me.
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And if I were to have a 10-minute conversation with her, by the time I explained the level to
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which they tried to destroy me, how they tried to freeze all my bank accounts, raise illegal
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charges against me, put me in jail for things I didn't do.
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Put a travel ban, take my passport, all this garbage.
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By the time I explain how hard they tried to hurt me and failed, she'll want me.
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Because she'll be like, you can't kill this guy.
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Like, you say a bunch of shit I don't like, but you know what?
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And that's a really good point about social media.
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Everything we're discussing, everything we've discussed back to the beginning, from status
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to promiscuity to your past, it's all social media.
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And I think that's why me and my man last so long is that he doesn't do social media.
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I feel like to answer your question, too, because I have had people say that as a solution.
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And it's like, you can run, but you cannot hide from the truth.
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And I have shared why my voice has been so impactful and will continue to be impactful
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is because I have put myself out there and I have been punished for being honest.
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So it's like, I have been given a platform and a voice for a reason.
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Even sitting down in this conversation thinking there's not one person I'm probably going to
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agree with and probably going to want to leave.
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So it's like, I can't go against what is in my heart and what I am coded to be.
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And that's why I feel like it's important for me to sit here and represent people who feel like me.
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Because it's like, I didn't, I don't want to say I didn't, I don't even want to say that.
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Um, I just feel like I don't see a lot of women under my umbrella who feel the way that I feel.
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I don't see opinions shared that I, that would be worded the way that I feel nothing.
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I feel like a lot of my thoughts are very unique and it's, it's kind of scary because I have been
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And when I even speak online, people think I'm fucking speaking Swahili.
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So it's like, no, and I know exactly what you're saying and you're making good points.
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And it's just, I think that regardless of whether, like we're talking about different positions,
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We're looking at different positions on the chessboard, but the rules are still the same,
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No matter how bad your position is or how good your position is, you're still trying to achieve
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And, and you want, you want the man to get high status and you want the man to feel secure
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I can only talk from the male perspective because I am a man.
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If I were to meet a woman who I liked very much, but she had X, whatever, pass, whatever, whatever,
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my concerns would be, how do I know that I'm still the number one?
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Especially if I don't measure up in certain key metrics.
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And two, the second thing that's most scary for men is we understand that men are constantly
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Like they may not be with guys you want to reply to, but guys are still trying to get
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The male life is people are trying to take everything from me.
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And you have to make your man really believe like that's impossible.
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If a man truly believes that nobody can take you from him, he's going to love you in a
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different way it, it, you can give me, you can give me two carbon copies of the same
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chick, but one, I think might cheat in the right circumstances.
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And one, I know no matter what would never leave me, the love I'll feel for this one
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is a different planet to the love I feel for this one, even though the same person, right?
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Because that's every man's biggest fear is a woman cheating or leaving because there's
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something visceral and something different about it.
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I know I talk things and I say men can do things and women can't and all this stuff,
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but they're like, if a woman cheats on a man, that hurts the man at a level that it doesn't
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Like that's what men used to fight and die over.
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It's like you did masculinize him on every level.
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Like, and this is why you see these tick tocks, right?
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Me and my man went on a break, got back together.
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And I know very well how I like to believe that I know I would know very well how to make
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And, and I know, and whether I do that or not is a conscious decision.
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And that's where you get to a certain level of grand mastery where I, if I get a woman,
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I will literally decide out of 10, how happy do I want her?
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Do I want, does she deserve to be happy 10 or should I keep her like crying half the
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time that it's very conscious and women don't think that way.
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But I'm saying, if you're a smart, if you're a cutting woman, you could be like that.
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And then when you're going to do that, just like the game of chess, if you play chess,
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It's that time you argued about your favorite car.
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It's the time you disagreed with him about the favorite band.
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Whereas really truthfully, if you're truly smart about the game, you can get him to a
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point after a few months where he's like, she's my soulmate.
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But I just feel like it's so contradicting to feel like what your overall message is,
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So it's like, if my truth, like if it can be destroyed by the truth, it should be destroyed
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Like why it's, it's really mind boggling to me because I feel like how could you even
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be mentally, emotionally, sexually stimulated by a woman who is just agreeable and, you know,
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That is exactly, that is exactly, that is exactly what every man wants.
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We're not saying we can't have a joke with you.
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But when it comes to things like agreement, there is not a single man in the world who's
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She agrees with me on all the important things in my life.
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You're completely and utterly wrong on that point.
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This idea that I understand if you're a complete doormat and you set no standards, men might walk all
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I'm talking about agreeability and agreeableness as a whole.
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Men love the idea of an agreeable woman because it gives status and it makes the man feel
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like he's a teacher and it makes the man feel in charge and it satisfies his ego.
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And to you, they may be small little tiny points, but to him, they're a big deal.
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If I were to sit, I'm telling you right now, if I were to sit with one of my chicks or
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whatever, or my chick, and I'll just sit in the Lambo and say, Lambo's the best car
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I'm like, listen, I bought them all and I fucking said this is the best one.
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It's interesting because the truth of your heart and the truth of your soul is to be happy.
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Now, if you have to sit there and agree on a, especially on a subject you don't give a
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If it's something you care about and you are very knowledgeable about, if it's ancient
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Roman history and you have a degree in ancient Rome, then fine, argue the point.
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But if it's cars or something you don't even give a shit about, what, yeah, you're missing
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the chance to get points on the scoreboard, easy free throw.
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And you're just fucking it up going, oh, no, no, no.
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Or just learn a couple of words like how many talks, horsepower.
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So, Tay, with all due respect, not all men are like that.
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Some men respect a woman that has their own mind.
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I know you and the type of men that you're speaking on behalf of.
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Like a woman that will just be so agreeable to everything he says.
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Like, I've dated men that just respect that I can make decisions.
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There's sometimes that he might be discussing stuff that he might want to be discussed.
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And there's sometimes where you're like, shut the fuck up and let me say what I've
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Well, maybe, I don't even believe in star signs, but my man's a Sagittarius.
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So, all this illogical stuff and feelings and emotions.
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But this is something else you have to take into consideration.
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As many of you know, I was just banned on TikTok.
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And we are demonetized on a daily basis on this platform.
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