JustPearlyThings - October 26, 2023


This Feminist DESTROYED Red-pill Community for Doing This To Men

Topics
selection matters
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Hannah Pearl Davis
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Andrew Tate Marlon Myron Adam Soskat Nathaniel Alpha
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In this episode, we discuss the differences between Red Pill Men and Blue Pill Men, the difference between the two, and how the Red Pill men are different than the Blue Pill men. We talk about how the two are similar and different from each other.

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00:00:00.000 Comment section. No, I'm basing it off the red pill community that I see and what I find. Okay. Have you met any of them in person? 1.00
00:00:07.440 Yeah, yeah. Other than me. Other than me. Well, most of them. And you came back. Yeah. No, I love this platform. I really do love it.
00:00:15.060 So I'm saying with the red pill men that you're talking about, have you met any? Yeah, I've met red pill men. Any content creators?
00:00:22.640 No, content creators. I've been in contact with a few online and stuff, but not in person because they're usually American.
00:00:28.280 Okay, so you haven't even dealt with them and you're making an assumption about them.
00:00:31.580 But I can make an assumption based on, like you haven't dealt with feminists or whales or whatever, but you can make an assumption because they come for you, right?
00:00:38.300 I can make an assumption based on the ones I've talked to in real life where I was attacked.
00:00:42.740 But I've never, I've never communicated with feminists, but I've had feminists contact my workplace and then try and get me fired. 1.00
00:00:48.860 I've had feminists that have come for my parents' phone numbers and address, so I can make an assumption on them even though I haven't met them in real time because I live in- 1.00
00:00:56.600 You've never met a feminist? I'm a feminist, so you met me. 1.00
00:00:59.720 And yeah, but I could still make assumptions on the extremities of both red pill and feminism because I experienced both of them in real life. 1.00
00:01:06.440 But I've had my job contacted. I've had my boss call me in and say this, we've been sent this, I've had feminist posts, repost my videos. 0.96
00:01:13.340 But that sounds like a crazy person rather than like a person that has an actual idea about the world.
00:01:17.600 The bodies on each end are as bad as each other. It's as bad as each other. 0.88
00:01:21.680 The red pill men are the male equivalent of feminists when they go to that extreme because what happens with both of them is that they forget to incorporate their own experiences and they just have this mindset of hate and anger and they're not even listening to the argument.
00:01:34.720 They just want to show, say, you're a woman. Don't ask a woman what a man needs. Don't ask a woman about outfit. No, no, no. 1.00
00:01:39.600 Speak rationally. Have a rational discourse.
00:01:43.600 I mean, the point they're making about don't ask a woman, like what, you're talking about dating advice?
00:01:48.600 General, like you can't ask a woman what an alpha is, can't ask a high value, you can't ask a woman this, what are you talking about? 0.91
00:01:54.600 You can ask humans what humans do.
00:01:56.600 Yeah, I mean, you can ask, but usually they talk about dating advice, like don't take dating advice from women. 0.99
00:02:02.600 It's like, are you asking the fishermen? That's usually what they're talking about.
00:02:05.600 But then wouldn't that also apply then don't ask men for men advice because you don't ask the fish, like, wouldn't that be don't ask men for men about advice about men?
00:02:13.600 Well, see, no, because men have had to listen to what women have to say for years. Women don't have to listen to what men have to say. 0.81
00:02:20.600 That's why it's so triggering a lot of times when I say things on this podcast, like men know what we want because they've had to listen to us for the last 20, 30 years.
00:02:28.600 I'll be honest. Can we define like red pill and blue pill? Because I'm just thinking like, I have a problem in Viagra.
00:02:37.600 I have no idea. I've been lost.
00:02:40.600 It sounds like people that, do you know, do you remember menism? It sounds like it's that versus feminism. Is it? Is that right?
00:02:51.600 Is that, is that? No, I mean, red pill is a praxeology. It's a study of human behavior. That's what it is.
00:02:57.600 Okay. But what is it in real world? Because feminism is equal rights, but really in the real world, feminism is an anointment. 1.00
00:03:03.600 How are the masses perceived in red pill? How is it in real time? What do you mean in real time?
00:03:09.600 So I'm saying, is this based off the matrix, red pill? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:03:13.600 Oh, I kind of get it. I ain't seen it.
00:03:16.600 You ain't seen the matrix. It's so shit. Everybody loves it. 1.00
00:03:19.600 I haven't seen the matrix. I haven't, I haven't watched Game of Thrones. Yeah.
00:03:24.600 But how does the study of like human behavior correlate to, to the, like this topic?
00:03:30.600 As in like, how does it apply to dating and advice and all of that? What's the dynamic there?
00:03:36.600 How does it apply to date? Well, so like, gosh, there's so much that goes into it, but it's just like women. 1.00
00:03:42.600 So for example, they, they study women like, and why women do the things they do.
00:03:45.600 So like women look for different things at different ages. So like, for example, 1.00
00:03:48.600 women, one thing they talk about is a woman's sexual market value. 1.00
00:03:52.600 So like when she's at her highest and what she would look for when she's the most attractive to men.
00:03:56.600 So for example, women in their early twenties tend to look for looks. 0.72
00:04:01.600 Well, women in their late twenties to thirties tend to look for security. 0.97
00:04:04.600 And that, so they would say like, these are the examples and yeah.
00:04:08.600 And then what makes some of them so triggered where they just spew out hate and to any woman that has an opinion.
00:04:14.600 I don't know any content creators that do that. I can't help the comment section.
00:04:18.600 So I think a lot of people like, I think the difference, I think content creators like fresh and fit.
00:04:24.600 I would say Marlon, I would say he's very angry when he speaks.
00:04:28.600 Yeah. No, I don't, I don't think so actually.
00:04:31.600 I mean, he just, people don't like his tone and I think women have an issue with his tone, but no, I don't think he hates women by any means.
00:04:39.600 Does he come across as somebody who has successful relationships with women and can have a marriage and a stable relationship with women?
00:04:46.600 Yeah, I think he could.
00:04:47.600 I don't think he comes across as that.
00:04:48.600 Yeah, I mean, I would disagree. I mean, I don't think they hate women. No, I don't think that.
00:04:53.600 You don't think he insults the, like the women's mindset in general or anything like that. I don't personally look at somebody like Marlon.
00:05:00.600 Can I have a specific example of something he said?
00:05:02.600 Like just how he speaks to women in general.
00:05:04.600 No, not how, not how he speaks, what he says.
00:05:06.600 So he might say something like, well, you're 20, once a woman's more than 25, she's got no value. 0.99
00:05:11.600 And if you haven't got a ring, you haven't got an opinion. Women can't define high value. 1.00
00:05:14.600 Women can't define alpha men. Women don't have, can't solve any of men's problems. 1.00
00:05:18.600 Women can't provide any value to a high value man. 1.00
00:05:20.600 Let me start with the 20, because you're giving me a bunch.
00:05:23.600 So what was the first one you said, women over 25?
00:05:26.600 Yeah, they have no value.
00:05:27.600 Yeah, I mean, I don't think that's misogynistic.
00:05:30.600 But no value.
00:05:31.600 Every age has a cutoff. So every guy is like,
00:05:34.600 every guy has a cutoff. So your mom has no value? 0.99
00:05:37.600 My mom has no value.
00:05:39.600 Yeah, I've talked to my mom about this in the sexual marketplace. 0.97
00:05:42.600 No, good luck. My mom on the dating scene. 1.00
00:05:44.600 You're telling me my mom, like, I love you, mom. I love you.
00:05:49.600 He's talking about, it's not personal words. It's sexual market value.
00:05:53.600 So, I mean, most guys will date a girl for 25 if she looks good. True, true. 1.00
00:05:59.600 So maybe, maybe he's pickier. He prefer girls under 25.
00:06:02.600 The point is, women under, over the age of 25, typically we've had our hearts broken,
00:06:06.600 and men have to deal with that. So it's easier to get with a younger girl who hasn't,
00:06:09.600 who hasn't had trauma.
00:06:10.600 Easier doesn't mean better.
00:06:11.600 Okay, do you want, do you want a girl with more trauma or less trauma?
00:06:14.600 I didn't ask you. Ask the man. More trauma or less trauma?
00:06:17.600 Less trauma.
00:06:18.600 More trauma or less trauma?
00:06:19.600 Less trauma.
00:06:20.600 Less trauma.
00:06:21.600 Okay, so, so, so this is, this is, as women, we listen and say, I understand that.
00:06:25.600 Instead of trying to argue and tell them what they want.
00:06:27.600 Yeah.
00:06:28.600 And I'm not going to be offended. Is my mom going to do well on the dating market with 10 kids? 0.96
00:06:33.600 Not on a dating market, of course not. But I don't really think, no, I didn't mean it in sexual.
00:06:38.600 I meant in general as a value as a person, but I can speak for somebody when I was 21 and then going to 25,
00:06:45.600 I genuinely think I did more reflection and became less traumatized as I was turned 25.
00:06:50.600 I personally felt like I was far, I was so volatile at 21. I was so impulsive at 21.
00:06:56.600 As I became older, I became less of a burden to a man.
00:06:59.600 But we're not talking about you. We're talking about in general.
00:07:01.600 Humans.
00:07:02.600 Yeah.
00:07:03.600 We're more emotional and volatile.
00:07:05.600 I'm saying like in general, we're not talking, he doesn't know your specific story.
00:07:09.600 Yeah.
00:07:10.600 So, so if, if we're talking to the men and the men, like Andrew Tate, it said something similar.
00:07:15.600 Yeah.
00:07:16.600 Women over the age of 25.
00:07:17.600 19.
00:07:18.600 And they're, and they're saying, no.
00:07:19.600 19.
00:07:20.600 He gave the age of 19.
00:07:21.600 And he, and if they're saying we prefer the women younger.
00:07:23.600 Yeah.
00:07:24.600 Like why, why are we to tell them what they want?
00:07:25.600 No, no, you can, I think it should be with a younger woman. 0.98
00:07:27.600 I really do think younger is more beautiful and especially when it comes to having kids.
00:07:31.600 But it's also saying things like, oh, women can't define what makes a man. 1.00
00:07:34.600 Women have no definition of what makes an alpha. 1.00
00:07:36.600 Well, I think.
00:07:37.600 Alpha is a biological term.
00:07:38.600 But I think, but no, the point, no, the point they're making though, is that like for a man to be alpha or to be high value,
00:07:45.600 he has to be selected by other men first.
00:07:47.600 Like other men have to respect him first before the women can come in. 0.99
00:07:51.600 And so that, that's, that's what they're talking about.
00:07:54.600 And what makes a woman disqualified for realizing or not being able to make, because you can look at a monkey and decide which one's alpha. 1.00
00:08:00.600 You don't have to be a monkey.
00:08:01.600 Other men have other high value men have to recognize him as a part of the group.
00:08:06.600 So, so, I mean, we're kind of interchanging high value and alpha, but, but when it comes to high value men, that's what they're talking about.
00:08:13.600 Yeah, so what we can't do.
00:08:15.600 Is the other high value, the other, no, because the other high value men have to recognize him as part of the group.
00:08:19.600 And can low value man realize the high value man?
00:08:22.600 I think most men when they walk into a room they can, they can just naturally tell.
00:08:26.600 There's a, there's a hierarchy, there's definitely a hierarchy with us.
00:08:29.600 And women can tell as well. 1.00
00:08:31.600 They can't as a cap.
00:08:32.600 Yeah, we can tell when someone's high and low value.
00:08:34.600 Yeah, you think so?
00:08:35.600 How do they, how do they interact with other guys?
00:08:38.600 Yeah, that, and then how did the Tinder spindler get so successful?
00:08:42.600 Why do you think, why do you, why do you think women and historically like the, the fathers have been involved? 0.99
00:08:49.600 Women suck at picking men. 1.00
00:08:51.600 We do. 1.00
00:08:52.600 I like it.
00:08:53.600 I'm not saying I'm better than any woman.
00:08:54.600 Like we, it, you, it's always better to ask your dad or your brothers about a guy.
00:08:59.600 Cause I'm sorry, we're not good in general.
00:09:01.600 But my, my issue is that people suck at selecting people because people tend to be traumatized and regurgitate their childhood in their relationships. 0.99
00:09:10.600 I don't think it's women who suck cause if men didn't suck, they wouldn't have so many problems with women. 1.00
00:09:15.600 I, I think it's the West. 1.00
00:09:16.600 I think it's modern women. 1.00
00:09:17.600 A lot of men move and don't have these problems.
00:09:19.600 I know a guy, he moved from, he moved from America to Brazil.
00:09:22.600 He doesn't have those problems there.
00:09:24.600 It's the West. 1.00
00:09:25.600 Maybe it's a Western problem, but you can't say women suck because if men didn't suck at selecting women, they wouldn't have so many. 1.00
00:09:31.600 But women are the selectors. 1.00
00:09:32.600 Women are the selectors. 1.00
00:09:33.600 So it doesn't, like you just said, when it comes to dating, women are the selectors. 1.00
00:09:36.600 They're the ones who are going to decide if the guys sleep with them or don't.
00:09:40.600 So they are, they are, they are the select, they are the selectors.
00:09:43.600 But it's not about what you believe.
00:09:44.600 It's about what's really happening.
00:09:45.600 Who decides if you get married? 0.99
00:09:46.600 The man.
00:09:47.600 Right.
00:09:48.600 Right.
00:09:49.600 So if divorces are high, what does that tell you?
00:09:50.600 Are men selecting badly or women are selecting badly?
00:09:52.600 If men decide marriage.
00:09:53.600 But women are leaving the marriages. 0.98
00:09:55.600 So they're making the decisions.
00:09:56.600 But the vetting process has to come from the man, right?
00:09:59.600 Yeah, but they're not divorcing.
00:10:00.600 They're not divorcing.
00:10:02.600 Sorry, the women, the men aren't divorcing women. 0.99
00:10:05.600 The women are divorcing men, like you said. 1.00
00:10:06.600 And that is their decision to remove themselves from the situation
00:10:09.600 where they've got everything they can from the marriage.
00:10:12.600 And it's usually based on how they feel about the man.
00:10:14.600 That doesn't mean that they're selecting.
00:10:16.600 That's deselecting after they have everything.
00:10:18.600 But who selected that woman?
00:10:19.600 But what you think, so hold on a second.
00:10:21.600 If you said if you select a woman, you're saying the issue is
00:10:24.600 that he's made a bad selection and that's why she's divorced him.
00:10:27.600 I think men and women make bad selection.
00:10:28.600 No, no, no.
00:10:29.600 I said, you said that who selected the woman in the first place?
00:10:33.600 That woman who has now divorced him.
00:10:35.600 So you're saying that because he's picked a bad woman in the beginning,
00:10:40.600 who's going to divorce him eventually, it's his fault.
00:10:45.600 Is that what you're saying?
00:10:46.600 Yeah, selection.
00:10:47.600 No, both sides.
00:10:48.600 If we're saying that women select... 0.99
00:10:49.600 No, no, not both sides.
00:10:50.600 I'm asking directly that particular situation.
00:10:52.600 Absolutely.
00:10:53.600 Selection is everything.
00:10:54.600 Hold on.
00:10:55.600 If men and women get divorced and women start... 0.97
00:10:58.600 I'm just trying to understand.
00:10:59.600 Women initiate their divorce, that's the man's fault 1.00
00:11:04.600 because they selected a woman. 0.82
00:11:05.600 Is that right?
00:11:06.600 It's not the man's fault.
00:11:07.600 It's not the man's fault that the women are paid to leave. 1.00
00:11:10.600 If you pay someone to do...
00:11:12.600 Men have no say in that. 0.56
00:11:13.600 That's why I said it's the West.
00:11:15.600 They move.
00:11:16.600 They don't have these problems.
00:11:17.600 Where else in the world are men moving to get different wives 0.91
00:11:23.600 because the women are so bad? 1.00
00:11:25.600 Moving to a whole new country.
00:11:27.600 Do you think you would have a happier marriage
00:11:30.600 if you married someone outside of the West?
00:11:34.600 Me personally.
00:11:35.600 You guys.
00:11:36.600 I know you weren't giving that question to him.
00:11:38.600 No, no.
00:11:39.600 Actually, I'm glad you gave that question to me
00:11:41.600 because even though my wife's Western or whatever,
00:11:45.600 but she was born in Egypt and she's been here
00:11:48.600 from when she was young.
00:11:49.600 So her values are instilled from when she was younger
00:11:52.600 in the country that she was born at.
00:11:54.600 So her Western art...
00:11:56.600 She hasn't got the same level of Western ideals.
00:11:59.600 And I've always been like that.
00:12:00.600 I've always been with women who align with my morals and values.
00:12:04.600 And most of them women are either... 1.00
00:12:06.600 Their parents are either, you know, first generation
00:12:08.600 or they've been born there or they've been born here
00:12:11.600 but their parents have always been first generation
00:12:13.600 and been in a successful, happy couple.
00:12:16.600 And that's always played a huge part
00:12:17.600 into the selection process.
00:12:19.600 Do you think then you made a good selection?
00:12:21.600 100%.
00:12:22.600 So do you think selection matters
00:12:23.600 when men are choosing women to marry?
00:12:25.600 Yes.
00:12:26.600 I'm glad we can agree.
00:12:29.600 But I'm not disputing that.
00:12:30.600 I'm not disputing that.
00:12:31.600 I'm just saying that if they've selected someone,
00:12:32.600 no one...
00:12:33.600 If you selected someone,
00:12:34.600 that is the best person that you could select
00:12:36.600 based on yourself, the time, the options, et cetera.
00:12:39.600 But women change based on how they feel. 1.00
00:12:42.600 So if they feel differently, you know, things can change up.
00:12:44.600 Then what do men change based on?
00:12:45.600 That's why you should never base your decisions as a man 0.93
00:12:49.600 on how she feels.
00:12:51.600 Because if...
00:12:52.600 Let's say you made a decision on how you felt
00:12:55.600 and I went along with it
00:12:56.600 and now your decisions change,
00:12:58.600 the accountability isn't going to lie with you,
00:12:59.600 it's going to lie with me.
00:13:00.600 Because I should have been man enough to turn around
00:13:02.600 and be like, no, no, that's great.
00:13:03.600 That's how you feel now, but that's not the plan.
00:13:05.600 I did a video that went quite big and the main thing I said
00:13:08.600 is men should always marry a woman that loves them 0.93
00:13:10.600 more than they love them.
00:13:11.600 I agree. I agree.
00:13:12.600 Yeah.
00:13:13.600 And because that's part of the selection process.
00:13:15.600 If she doesn't love you,
00:13:16.600 when men, they stay loyal to the cause.
00:13:18.600 They can stay in a marriage that they're not madly in love with
00:13:21.600 because they see the bigger picture.
00:13:23.600 For women, they can't stay loyal to the cause. 1.00
00:13:25.600 So it's always important that you pick a woman that loves you
00:13:27.600 more than you love her.
00:13:28.600 And you know what?
00:13:29.600 This goes across other boards as well with men in loyalty.
00:13:31.600 I think we're sometimes perceived as, oh, we're not law 0.98
00:13:35.600 and we're scumbags, et cetera, et cetera. 0.98
00:13:37.600 There's young boys dying in the street because of loyalty 0.99
00:13:40.600 to their friends.
00:13:41.600 And that doesn't go, that goes to that.
00:13:44.600 And it also goes into love of a woman.
00:13:45.600 So if they, our loyalty is not the issue.
00:13:48.600 Any manner of like integrity and loyalty and other men
00:13:51.600 recognise them, going back to the high value or the alpha
00:13:53.600 or however you want to describe it.
00:13:54.600 These are the kind of key traits.
00:13:56.600 It's not always just about money, loyalty, integrity.
00:13:58.600 These are the things that men judge.
00:13:59.600 Other men are.
00:14:00.600 It's not the same as being faithful as well.
00:14:01.600 Loyal to the cause.
00:14:02.600 Like sticking with that woman, even if you, 0.94
00:14:03.600 it's not the same as being faithful, unfortunately.
00:14:04.600 It doesn't mean the same thing.
00:14:05.600 Yeah, I agree.
00:14:06.600 I've been going to the same barber for like 15 years.
00:14:08.600 There you go. 1.00
00:14:09.600 Shut up. 1.00
00:14:10.600 Nice story. 0.99
00:14:11.600 So what was the next thing you said?
00:14:13.600 Women, what was the other things that you were saying? 1.00
00:14:17.600 Women think with their feelings. 1.00
00:14:20.600 So they always say things like fuck your feelings. 1.00
00:14:22.600 But my argument is if we know women are designed 1.00
00:14:25.600 to have more emotional intelligence, we produce more estrogen,
00:14:28.600 we produce more oxytocin, we actually buy design more emotional,
00:14:32.600 why would that be an insult?
00:14:34.600 It's like saying to somebody, 1.00
00:14:35.600 oh, you're disabled, fuck your legs. 1.00
00:14:36.600 Like, no, you're designed that way. 1.00
00:14:38.600 Why is that used as an insult to women? 1.00
00:14:40.600 I mean, I think he's just talking about like a lot of times
00:14:43.600 women think their feelings are reality. 1.00
00:14:45.600 So girls on the show will come on the show and say this is like, 0.99
00:14:49.600 this is how the world is because of how I feel, basically.
00:14:52.600 But that is her reality because that's how she's designed by biology. 1.00
00:14:55.600 But that's not what's true.
00:14:56.600 That's not the bigger picture.
00:14:57.600 So for example, we could talk about the pay gap.
00:15:00.600 Women could feel like we make less than men, 1.00
00:15:03.600 but he would say something like fuck your feelings. 1.00
00:15:05.600 Yeah. 1.00
00:15:06.600 And so that's the context that he's using it in.
00:15:08.600 In that context, it makes sense because the pay gap is just not true.
00:15:10.600 But in general, we have innate mechanisms to make us feel more anxious
00:15:15.600 than the situation is.
00:15:16.600 That's why we're mothers. 1.00
00:15:17.600 Why we're so good at being mothers is because we sense danger when it's not there.
00:15:21.600 We think our baby's being left alone.
00:15:23.600 Oh, we've got to go.
00:15:24.600 We're designed by that.
00:15:25.600 And if we weren't governed by our feelings,
00:15:27.600 we'd both be like, okay, baby's asleep.
00:15:29.600 Don't need to check on it.
00:15:30.600 But biologically, we're designed to be more feeling based.
00:15:32.600 It's what makes women beautiful, not an insult. 1.00
00:15:35.600 And he uses it as an insult.
00:15:36.600 I don't think he's using it as an insult.
00:15:38.600 I think he's just saying it doesn't work in a debate when you're talking about topics.
00:15:42.600 But it works in a discourse, if you're going to communicate to women 0.99
00:15:45.600 and men are going to communicate with women, 0.99
00:15:48.600 that if they don't recognize that women exercise feelings 0.99
00:15:51.600 and women don't recognize men exercise logic, 1.00
00:15:53.600 they'll never be compatible.
00:15:54.600 You have to talk in that language.
00:15:55.600 I think he knows that women exercise. 0.99
00:15:57.600 But okay, like this is an example of you as a woman telling men 0.93
00:16:01.600 how they need to talk to us.
00:16:03.600 Based on our biology.
00:16:04.600 Based on our biology.
00:16:05.600 You're trying to dictate how men need to say things.
00:16:08.600 But that's not how men do things.
00:16:10.600 Men talk how they talk. 0.97
00:16:13.600 And so it's like, why would I go to a man and say,
00:16:15.600 you have to talk like a woman, like you're feminizing them. 0.98
00:16:17.600 Because I know that if I'm a man, and if I've got a son as well,
00:16:20.600 I know I have to speak to him from a place of logic for him to understand it.
00:16:23.600 He won't understand if I talk to him entirely emotionally.
00:16:25.600 So if you come to me as a man with a problem,
00:16:27.600 I will say, me and Nathaniel talk all the time,
00:16:29.600 and I'll give him practical advice because he's a man.
00:16:32.600 And I speak his language.
00:16:33.600 He will give me more emotional advice because he recognizes I'm a woman.
00:16:36.600 That's how we have intelligent discourse.
00:16:37.600 I'll be giving you logical advice.
00:16:38.600 He does give me logical advice.
00:16:39.600 Yeah.
00:16:40.600 That seems quite, that seems like quite strong.
00:16:43.600 That's how life works.
00:16:44.600 Yeah, but not overall, but not overall.
00:16:46.600 That's your experience.
00:16:47.600 That's your experience.
00:16:48.600 Like this is exactly what you said there.
00:16:49.600 But that's how healthy discourse is established.
00:16:51.600 You know, I have this problem.
00:16:53.600 And this isn't, this isn't a you thing.
00:16:54.600 It's just like a thing.
00:16:55.600 I hate it when people come on and tell me how to talk on my podcast.
00:17:00.600 It's like, if you were so good at it, then you would do it
00:17:02.600 and you would make it bigger.
00:17:03.600 And so it's like, how are you going to go to them and say,
00:17:05.600 oh, I know how to talk?
00:17:07.600 No, no.
00:17:08.600 We're not saying that you don't know how to talk.
00:17:09.600 Not me.
00:17:10.600 No, I'm talking about in this example for fresh and fit.
00:17:11.600 Yeah, fresh and fit.
00:17:12.600 Because I've been in the situation where like a girl will say, 0.96
00:17:16.600 I don't like the way you like.
00:17:17.600 They'll be like, oh, I don't like the way she does this.
00:17:18.600 I don't like this.
00:17:19.600 I don't like whatever it is.
00:17:20.600 And my first thought is like, how delusional are you?
00:17:25.600 If you could do it better, you would.
00:17:26.600 Because it's not about doing it better.
00:17:28.600 It's about offering an alternative perspective.
00:17:30.600 I don't care to do it better than Marlon or Andrew.
00:17:33.600 No, but my point is they know what they're doing.
00:17:37.600 Have you not listened to or read the book Art of Seduction?
00:17:41.600 No.
00:17:42.600 They talk a little bit about this.
00:17:43.600 Okay, okay.
00:17:44.600 Right, where they say, let's say for instance,
00:17:47.600 my woman comes to me with a problem. 1.00
00:17:49.600 And I'm just going to give you a logical solution
00:17:52.600 because that's what makes sense to me.
00:17:53.600 It doesn't land.
00:17:54.600 When really, it doesn't land.
00:17:55.600 Why don't you quit your job then?
00:17:57.600 It's making you unhappy.
00:17:58.600 It's like you want to vent.
00:17:59.600 You want me to show some empathy, that kind of vibe.
00:18:02.600 When a woman comes to a man with the issue, 1.00
00:18:06.600 it's a similar kind of thing because she's expecting something from him
00:18:11.600 where it's like, you know, why aren't you showing empathy?
00:18:14.600 Why aren't you understanding?
00:18:15.600 But he's just thinking, I see the logic in this.
00:18:18.600 It should be a quick, it can be, it's like algebra.
00:18:21.600 We want it simplified straight away.
00:18:23.600 And it's like, that's kind of the disconnect.
00:18:25.600 So it's quite rare, not rare, but it's nice.
00:18:28.600 Obviously when we have the conversations,
00:18:30.600 like you kind of, I understand how you would need it received
00:18:34.600 and you understand how like I'd get.
00:18:36.600 And that's how we communicate
00:18:37.600 and that's how we have this friendship for so long.
00:18:38.600 And that's what I want to teach people rather than women 1.00
00:18:41.600 and there's men of that,
00:18:42.600 because you don't learn how to use those skills to practically apply
00:18:44.600 and create a healthy relationship.
00:18:46.600 And if we have this platform,
00:18:48.600 we should use the blessing of it to improve lives rather than divide people.
00:18:52.600 But they do improve lives.
00:18:54.600 That's the thing.
00:18:55.600 Like they do all this.
00:18:56.600 MGTOW.
00:18:57.600 People are now going lonely.
00:18:58.600 They do.
00:18:59.600 Okay.
00:19:00.600 Okay.
00:19:01.600 MGTOW is a whole nother.
00:19:02.600 That's a whole nother group.
00:19:03.600 Fresh and fit aren't MGTOW.
00:19:04.600 They do improvement for men.
00:19:05.600 There's men that have called in on their show
00:19:06.600 and said that they didn't commit suicide.
00:19:09.600 So they are helping men.
00:19:11.600 MGTOW, those are men that are walking away until the laws change.
00:19:14.600 And I understand that.
00:19:15.600 They want to walk away from marriage and relationships until the laws change. 1.00
00:19:18.600 I understand where they're coming from.
00:19:20.600 I get that, but it's not constructive to society.
00:19:23.600 If we want to create homes and we want to create two parent households,
00:19:27.600 me watching a bunch of feminists or him watching a bunch of red pills,
00:19:30.600 we are going to come back with negativity towards each other.
00:19:33.600 Whereas if we take those platforms and teach people how to communicate effectively
00:19:37.600 and create a home, we are doing more of a service to society.
00:19:41.600 Could I...
00:19:42.600 I disagree with that.
00:19:43.600 I'm sorry, I can't.
00:19:44.600 Sorry.
00:19:45.600 But anything that just makes people chat and think it's good
00:19:50.600 and it would automatically come to like a good conclusion anyway.
00:19:54.600 I think that's the shrooms.
00:19:55.600 No, I just think...
00:20:00.600 No, I'm sorry.
00:20:01.600 I think your points are extremely valid, but I think part of the issue is that
00:20:05.600 we're told a lot, especially as men, to change our wording, change our dialect,
00:20:10.600 change, appealing to how women feel more so than we are about how men...
00:20:16.600 We're told to change our appearance according to men.
00:20:18.600 I'm not talking about appearance.
00:20:19.600 I'm talking about as opposed to saying, like you said,
00:20:23.600 oh, men approach things more logically.
00:20:25.600 So it's more of a push towards understand her first before understanding him,
00:20:29.600 which doesn't give the unity that you're afterwards.
00:20:31.600 Yeah.
00:20:32.600 Like for example, I have five sisters.
00:20:34.600 I have a lot of sisters.
00:20:35.600 And my mum has to explain to them that I don't process things like they process things.
00:20:39.600 If they get emotional about things, next week they'll be fine.
00:20:42.600 The week after they'll be up again.
00:20:43.600 And they're like, you're expecting him to jump on with your emotions.
00:20:45.600 He doesn't think like that.
00:20:46.600 He doesn't work like that.
00:20:47.600 He's not built like that.
00:20:48.600 He's not built like that.
00:20:49.600 And it's hard for them to understand.
00:20:50.600 Sorry.
00:20:51.600 It's hard for them to understand.
00:20:53.600 And wherever I've been told to, you know, respect their feelings and understand,
00:20:58.600 they think differently as well.
00:20:59.600 In the world, it's more that side of it.
00:21:02.600 It's not like, okay, look, this guy's going to think differently from you.
00:21:04.600 It's just more accommodate to her because she feels a certain way.
00:21:07.600 And that's not what it was.
00:21:09.600 That's the divide there.
00:21:10.600 I had a homemaker.
00:21:12.600 So we're opening.
00:21:13.600 Guys, go subscribe to the Wife School channel. 1.00
00:21:15.600 It should be in the description.
00:21:16.600 Get us to a thousand subs.
00:21:18.600 Anyway, so plug.
00:21:19.600 We're doing a Wife School and I've been talking to different like wives and homemakers 1.00
00:21:23.600 that are going to teach different like classes for.
00:21:25.600 It's going to be fun. 1.00
00:21:26.600 And one of them literally said she teaches women like, fuck your feelings. 1.00
00:21:30.600 It's not about your, like, this is something she, a homemaker of 30 years, teaches women. 1.00
00:21:34.600 Fuck your feelings. 1.00
00:21:35.600 It does not matter how you feel. 1.00
00:21:36.600 Yeah.
00:21:37.600 And so it's like when the women say it, it's okay. 0.97
00:21:39.600 But the men.
00:21:40.600 Yeah, no, I agree that you can't make decisions on emotions.
00:21:45.600 But emotions can't be entirely ignored because it's how we're designed. 0.99
00:21:49.600 If I teach a man fuck a woman's feelings, what kind of father will he be? 1.00
00:21:55.600 How will he raise a daughter? 1.00
00:21:56.600 I don't know.
00:21:57.600 My dad.
00:21:58.600 That's kind of how he, but. 1.00
00:21:59.600 What kind of father you, those guys are in the comments saying fuck feelings, fuck women. 1.00
00:22:02.600 What kind of father are you planning to become? 1.00
00:22:04.600 It's just, it's not even that. 1.00
00:22:05.600 It's more just like how happy are you even going to be if you're thinking fuck your feelings. 0.99
00:22:10.600 But that's in the context of a debate. 0.99
00:22:11.600 Again, that's in the context of a date.
00:22:12.600 Even in the context, if it leaves your mouth, it's in your soul.
00:22:14.600 That's true.
00:22:15.600 It's contextual.
00:22:16.600 What?
00:22:17.600 If it leaves your mouth, it's in your soul. 1.00
00:22:18.600 Like if I say fuck men, men are trash. 1.00
00:22:20.600 Even if it's in the context of a debate, it's in my soul. 1.00
00:22:22.600 No, no.
00:22:23.600 But again, like this is context. 0.99
00:22:24.600 Like if he's saying fuck your feelings, like your feelings don't, you can't, your feelings are not like, 0.99
00:22:29.600 what do they say? 1.00
00:22:30.600 Facts over feelings.
00:22:31.600 Yeah.
00:22:32.600 Because I've never seen one.
00:22:33.600 Sorry, but did you see when there was a fight that broke up and the guy and the girl, they hit each other and stuff.
00:22:39.600 I saw one clip of that.
00:22:40.600 I haven't seen that.
00:22:41.600 Yeah.
00:22:42.600 There's a clip on Fresh and Fit and there was a guest and a girl next to him and they got into a physical fight.
00:22:45.600 The guy started hitting the girl, the girl started hitting the guy.
00:22:47.600 I think they both hit each other.
00:22:48.600 On the air?
00:22:49.600 Yeah.
00:22:50.600 They had to stop filming.
00:22:51.600 I did not see that.
00:22:52.600 I only know it because I watched Adam Soskals and he, who I love, he spoke about it.
00:22:57.600 He had them on a set and he had one of the girls that was in the set. 1.00
00:23:00.600 And she said, Oh, I just felt really unsafe in that moment. 0.99
00:23:02.600 And Marlon was like, fuck your feelings because she wasn't in any danger. 0.99
00:23:05.600 What is it? 1.00
00:23:06.600 Myron.
00:23:07.600 Myron.
00:23:08.600 Okay. 1.00
00:23:09.600 Fuck his name. 1.00
00:23:10.600 I think it's just communicating effectively. 1.00
00:23:11.600 Yeah.
00:23:12.600 Do you know what I mean?
00:23:13.600 If you want to communicate quicker and effectively, it's nice to just know the shortcut.
00:23:15.600 Okay, cool.
00:23:16.600 She's not going to take how I speak to the guys about it.
00:23:17.600 She's going to react this way.
00:23:18.600 If I, if I do it this way.
00:23:19.600 And, and obviously, you know, if, if you're on the alpha in a situation, you can kind of force your way.
00:23:23.600 Force your way. 1.00
00:23:24.600 So like you, you can say fuck your feelings and maybe she'll just shut up. 1.00
00:23:27.600 But are you really resonating? 1.00
00:23:28.600 Is she really understanding or she's just shutting up because she doesn't want to speak up?
00:23:30.600 And are you actually creating a relationship in that moment?
00:23:32.600 So I, so when, when you, when you said the thing about, you know, the daughters, that is the one, that is one of the things we're having.
00:23:38.600 That is one of the things where I had to really think, all right, I have to learn how to communicate on that level because if I have a daughter.
00:23:57.600 I just think of my mom versus my dad.
00:23:59.600 Like my dad really, it's not about like, he kind of does that with me.
00:24:07.600 I mean, not in like a rude way, but like, if I go to my mom, like I always say, I go to my mom if I wanted to cry about something.
00:24:13.600 If I go to my dad, I want a solution.
00:24:15.600 Like, I just think men and women communicate in different ways.
00:24:17.600 And we have as women, no business policing men and telling them how to communicate. 0.95
00:24:20.600 Why?
00:24:21.600 Because it's, if we did it to you guys, I mean.
00:24:24.600 Because, but if somebody said it to us, it would be beneficial.
00:24:27.600 No, no, but they don't take it like that.
00:24:29.600 Don't get twisted.
00:24:31.600 Like I still will probably want to give the, the solution, right?
00:24:36.600 But if you understand that what they need is the emotional response.
00:24:40.600 You get your solution out of it.
00:24:41.600 You can get, you can do it in a way where you still get the same solution.
00:24:44.600 Do you know what I mean?
00:24:45.600 I think it's about just the knowledge of knowing that person is going to receive it like this. 0.99
00:24:48.600 If you, but then that depends on the level of their emotional response, which is why it ends up coming to just fucking feelings. 0.89
00:24:54.600 Cause you have to take all of that out of it for you to really understand what's going on. 1.00
00:24:58.600 But fuck your feelings won't make a woman abide by you and submit to you. 1.00
00:25:02.600 When you say that, of course not. 1.00
00:25:03.600 Cause then you go crazy.
00:25:04.600 It's counterproductive. 1.00
00:25:05.600 You just don't say fuck your feelings. 1.00
00:25:06.600 Yeah. 1.00
00:25:07.600 You can't do it in a different way.
00:25:08.600 Like, Hey, listen, take that emotion.
00:25:09.600 Yeah.
00:25:10.600 Put it to the side, pin that.
00:25:11.600 Let's come back to that later.
00:25:12.600 I just like, I just, no offense.
00:25:14.600 I just think you have no business telling them how to run a podcast when they're at a million subs.
00:25:18.600 I just think I would, I would never go to an NBA coach.
00:25:21.600 And like, as someone who like, I don't, I don't know what you do with your platform.
00:25:24.600 I don't know how big it is.
00:25:25.600 I know you probably don't have a million subs.
00:25:27.600 Yeah, I don't.
00:25:28.600 Because I don't appeal to the vulnerable.
00:25:30.600 Again, again, again, again.
00:25:31.600 So, so I just would never go to someone and tell them how to do it when I'm here.
00:25:35.600 I just think there's a level of humility in that.
00:25:37.600 No, I get, I know what you mean.
00:25:39.600 I get what you mean.
00:25:40.600 But the point, it depends what, are you out for clout?
00:25:42.600 Are you out for, to make a difference in people's lives that's positive?
00:25:45.600 I don't care if I have zero followers.
00:25:46.600 My mindset will always be, let's be balanced so that we can create.
00:25:49.600 Then why have a following at all?
00:25:51.600 Because it does help the people who want to be helped.
00:25:54.600 And how do you reach the most people?
00:25:56.600 Through the internet.
00:25:57.600 Okay.
00:25:58.600 Okay.
00:25:59.600 But I'm saying, I'm saying like, you could help people in real life.
00:26:01.600 But there's people out there that will.
00:26:02.600 Like, I just think it's disingenuous when people say that.
00:26:04.600 Because it's like, then go out, then don't be on social media.
00:26:07.600 But you help more people when you put your positive advice on social media.
00:26:11.600 Right, and they help more people the bigger they get.
00:26:13.600 Yeah.
00:26:14.600 So it's like, it's the...
00:26:15.600 Can I segue quickly?
00:26:16.600 Yeah.
00:26:17.600 Yeah.
00:26:18.600 Do you know what else I think is misingenuous?
00:26:20.600 When people say, I'm traditional in a sense.
00:26:24.600 You see that phrase right there?
00:26:26.600 I hate that.
00:26:27.600 I hate that.
00:26:28.600 When people say, I'm traditional in a sense.
00:26:29.600 I feel like we may have a few corporates over here.
00:26:31.600 Do you guys ever use this?
00:26:32.600 Me?
00:26:33.600 No.
00:26:34.600 No. 1.00
00:26:35.600 I think that's such bullshit. 1.00
00:26:36.600 Do you see people use it? 1.00
00:26:37.600 Like, how do you feel when you see people use that kind of phrase?
00:26:40.600 Because they'll be like, I'm traditional in a sense where I want this guy to...
00:26:42.600 It's because what it means...
00:26:43.600 Yeah.
00:26:44.600 What it means when someone says that is that I just have this thought about my morality being...
00:26:51.600 Like, it's just, you know, everyone knows morality is like always evolving and it's situational.
00:26:57.600 And then people that say that, it's just like, oh, but my situation is like...
00:27:01.600 It's okay.
00:27:02.600 It's okay.
00:27:03.600 You might, you might...
00:27:04.600 Are you traditional in a sense?
00:27:05.600 No.
00:27:06.600 No, it's true.
00:27:07.600 No, I'm not a traditional person, bro.
00:27:08.600 Good.
00:27:09.600 I like that.
00:27:10.600 When women say, I already know. 1.00
00:27:11.600 When women say I'm traditional in a sense, it means I want to be courted.
00:27:14.600 I want to know.
00:27:15.600 I want to...
00:27:16.600 This is what they mean.
00:27:17.600 I want to be courted like a traditional woman, even though I'm not one.
00:27:19.600 Because I'm not a virgin.
00:27:20.600 I'm not married before 25.
00:27:22.600 I don't have a cookbook.
00:27:23.600 Oh, but I cook one to two times a week.
00:27:25.600 So yeah, I'm traditional now.
00:27:26.600 I'm like, if you, I swear to God, if you had a conversation with the actual real traditional
00:27:31.600 women. 0.81
00:27:32.600 Oh my God.
00:27:33.600 And I've been talking to them for this wife's school.
00:27:36.600 Oh my God.
00:27:37.600 They run circles around us.
00:27:38.600 They make all their meals from scratch.
00:27:40.600 From scratch.
00:27:41.600 They've been raising kids and in a kid's like situations where they're in charge of children
00:27:45.600 since they're like 16.
00:27:46.600 They've been either babysitting.
00:27:47.600 This woman had 10 foster kids. 0.99
00:27:49.600 Wow.
00:27:50.600 That's a real traditional woman. 1.00
00:27:51.600 She's growing her garden in the backyard.
00:27:53.600 I'm like...
00:27:54.600 Well, the vegetables are fresh.
00:27:56.600 She's a virgin on her wedding day.
00:27:58.600 I'm like, I swear to God, I'm so excited to put everyone in the same room.
00:28:03.600 Because we don't even know how bad we are until you see these women. 0.97
00:28:07.600 I'm like, look it.
00:28:08.600 And do you meet many traditional men?
00:28:10.600 What do you mean?
00:28:14.600 I meet a lot of men that...
00:28:17.600 Because we all meet men that want traditional women, but do we meet a lot of traditional
00:28:22.600 men?
00:28:23.600 Most men have traditional values. 0.86
00:28:24.600 Yeah.
00:28:25.600 Yeah.
00:28:26.600 I'm sorry.
00:28:27.600 I had to think about this.
00:28:28.600 Yeah.
00:28:29.600 What makes a traditional man?
00:28:31.600 I think most men want to be protectors and providers and most men are capable of protecting
00:28:35.600 the average woman.
00:28:36.600 Yes.
00:28:37.600 So most of the men traditionally would want a woman that doesn't work and they pay every 1.00
00:28:40.600 bill and she doesn't come on social media and doesn't do all of that. 0.62
00:28:44.600 Is that traditional?
00:28:45.600 Oh, actually, I have a second part to this.
00:28:47.600 So a lot of women will say, I can't be traditional because he doesn't make enough money.
00:28:50.600 I'm finding out now this is wrong, ladies.
00:28:52.600 This is wrong.
00:28:53.600 You're wrong.
00:28:54.600 Because you actually, this girl raised 10 children on less than $10,000 a year.
00:28:59.600 It's because you want a lifestyle.
00:29:01.600 You want a certain lifestyle.
00:29:02.600 He can't afford.
00:29:03.600 As many of you know, I was just banned on tick tock and we are demonetized on a daily basis
00:29:09.860 on this platform.
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