JustPearlyThings - June 26, 2023


This TRANS REFUSE to Accept This TRUTH


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12 minutes

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199.7083

Word count

2,556

Sentence count

7

Harmful content

Misogyny

9

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Hate speech

27

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Summary

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In this episode, we discuss the recent controversy surrounding the use of the term "trans woman" as a slur in relation to the trans community, and whether or not it's a slur or not. We also discuss the trans bathroom debate and whether it's safe for trans people to come out as trans.

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00:00:00.000 Regulated at least in the UK. They've regulated the prisons pretty well
00:00:03.140 I do think there is still work to be done with sports, but these are all very individual
00:00:07.920 No, I have different yeah, I'm about to get kicked out of the league for it to be honest because I said something about it
00:00:14.000 Are we honest? I think then the biggest issue is you're just calling trans women men
00:00:18.560 I feel like if you did use their PC language, they probably wouldn't have had as much issue with it
00:00:23.440 Why do I have to
00:00:25.440 Why do I have to change? Why do I have to change my language because it's just because it's
00:00:32.080 Again again, but again, I wouldn't say I wouldn't I wouldn't say that it's the same when it's what you're born as 0.60
00:00:39.360 It's your biology, so it's like
00:00:42.160 It's for me. It's just confusing because if someone doesn't say
00:00:47.040 If you know the words in other languages negro means black
00:00:51.280 Negro is different from nigger. It doesn't matter 1.00
00:00:55.440 Listen, it's a terminology
00:00:59.440 You just cut me
00:01:00.160 Yeah, it's a terminology that people use and black people do not like when it's used by
00:01:07.200 People that are not black. Okay, this class is disrespectful. So 1.00
00:01:11.840 My example, it doesn't need to be taken
00:01:14.800 For word for word. It's if you've got a broad enough mind
00:01:18.080 You'll be able to look at the example and see that you're calling someone a word and a phrase that they find disrespectful
00:01:24.640 It could be someone that's obese you're calling them fat
00:01:26.960 If you're a respectful person, you wouldn't call someone a terminology that offends them
00:01:31.520 If you're a disrespectful person, you won't mind because you would like to offend people
00:01:34.720 I don't think fat is that fat
00:01:37.040 I don't agree with that because
00:01:38.160 I think saying if someone's fat and they deserve to die or something
00:01:40.800 I don't think saying like fat is fat
00:01:42.800 Exactly my argument was black people are not born negroes
00:01:49.840 But trans women are born men 1.00
00:01:53.360 What are black people born? 0.99
00:01:54.400 They are born as black people
00:01:55.760 And what does negro mean in other languages?
00:01:57.680 No, no
00:01:59.760 Negro, negro 1.00
00:02:01.440 If you go and check the
00:02:02.480 Do you mean like Spanish words?
00:02:03.920 Yeah
00:02:04.160 I'm not going to say it because it sounds too similar
00:02:07.280 I know the history but the example
00:02:08.800 You know it was used as a slur that's different
00:02:12.960 You being born as a man is not a slur
00:02:14.880 This is reality
00:02:15.920 This is a word used to explain a biological person
00:02:20.000 It's a slur
00:02:20.480 But now you guys are demanding that we change our language
00:02:27.840 To accommodate you
00:02:29.120 It's just confusing
00:02:30.240 So I need to know if we're talking about men or trans women
00:02:33.120 So if you're if you keep calling trans women men
00:02:36.000 I don't know what we're talking about at a certain point
00:02:38.080 We kind of have to use these labels otherwise
00:02:40.880 But that's the byproduct of this whole thing
00:02:43.920 It's not the original way human beings have been thinking for the past couple of years
00:02:48.400 That's causing these problems
00:02:49.440 But trans people have been around for a while
00:02:51.280 It's the new way of thinking
00:02:52.880 No but yeah
00:02:53.760 Trans people have been around
00:02:54.720 But there has been a way of thinking for the past couple of thousands of years
00:02:58.000 Yeah
00:02:58.320 It wasn't spoke about
00:02:59.280 Like with the gay community 1.00
00:03:01.680 Not a lot of people came out that they were gay
00:03:04.080 For a very long time they hid it
00:03:05.840 And it's the same with the trans community 0.99
00:03:07.280 And not
00:03:08.160 Why do you think that is?
00:03:09.440 Why do you think that is?
00:03:10.080 Until they feel comfortable enough to discuss their sexuality, their gender
00:03:15.440 They are not going to come out and say oh I'm this
00:03:18.000 I mean gay people suffered in the same way that trans people did right 1.00
00:03:21.040 Everyone assumed all the gay men in the bathrooms are trying to fuck the kids 1.00
00:03:24.160 And there was a lot of pedophiles
00:03:25.680 Like we kind of evolved our thinking from this
00:03:30.400 And I have a lot of empathy towards people that are wary about their kids being trans
00:03:35.840 It's a lot
00:03:36.560 And there's a lot of discussion about whether X, Y, or Z is safe
00:03:41.120 Et cetera
00:03:41.680 But the reality is we did move on from that
00:03:45.760 I want to say that was like the 90s where we were having these types of
00:03:48.880 George Michael and Dave
00:03:50.400 Yeah that's sort of like yeah
00:03:54.640 But then I'm also not really convinced there is like a transgender ideology
00:04:00.160 I know this kind of upsets a lot of people
00:04:02.960 I do think that how things are is a mess
00:04:06.080 I do think in certain situations it's not quite there yet
00:04:09.520 I think in a lot of sports it's a mess
00:04:12.000 I think I completely understand the anxiety
00:04:15.280 Especially around changing rooms because being naked is a vulnerability
00:04:18.560 And I don't want to like I'm a cis woman 0.81
00:04:20.320 I don't like being naked around anyone
00:04:22.240 It doesn't feel good
00:04:23.120 And if one of the people was like a pre-op transgender person 1.00
00:04:27.840 It would feel uncomfortable
00:04:29.280 But I feel uncomfortable all the time
00:04:31.280 So I don't know how much to base my feeling on what should be policy
00:04:36.080 I do think that these things could be fixed easily
00:04:38.960 Just fucking everyone should have their own cubicles
00:04:42.480 But I also realize that in a lot of situations there isn't that yet
00:04:48.000 Right
00:04:48.240 If you're playing sports in a place that doesn't have those like facilities
00:04:51.520 That sucks for you
00:04:53.840 And I don't want to like disregard that
00:04:56.640 Again like cis women are a protected class 1.00
00:04:59.360 Transgender women are a protected class 1.00
00:05:01.120 And I think people are trying to kind of swoosh
00:05:02.160 What do you mean protected class?
00:05:04.480 So we have protected
00:05:07.120 You know when it comes to like the law and things
00:05:09.520 When it comes to sexism and things that can negatively affect us
00:05:14.880 There are certain things that make us protected
00:05:17.600 But what there is for transgender women is a little bit different
00:05:22.000 Well transgender people in general 0.97
00:05:23.920 But anyone that is a protected class is like black people for example
00:05:28.320 Or yeah
00:05:31.600 It's just different things that put in place
00:05:34.240 To consider that we're you know different from a minority
00:05:39.280 That's the one I was looking for earlier
00:05:40.560 But yeah but women are a minority 1.00
00:05:42.000 But I don't still don't understand what you were saying earlier
00:05:44.240 Like why I should be punished for my speech when what I'm saying is true
00:05:48.480 No you shouldn't be punished
00:05:49.520 So so like with the
00:05:50.720 No I was talking to to you
00:05:53.040 Because you you said you wouldn't have like been in that situation if you just used their pronouns
00:05:57.120 So it's like why do I have to change my language when what I am saying is true?
00:06:01.280 I'm just saying so it's not necessarily that you're wrong or that you need to change your language
00:06:05.920 I'm saying if you want to win a fight and not necessarily just get kicked out of the volleyball league
00:06:11.280 Or kicked out of this or that
00:06:12.960 You have to adopt the way that other people are thinking
00:06:15.760 Or they're just going to completely disregard you
00:06:18.480 And you might see that as being really unfair
00:06:21.600 But the world is you have to adapt to the way that other people are being
00:06:26.000 So that you can play them at their game
00:06:27.920 And if you don't do that they just don't care
00:06:31.760 And they're not going to engage with you
00:06:33.120 They're going to get rid of you
00:06:34.160 And to be fair calling a trans woman a man is kind of transphobic
00:06:41.760 But they are
00:06:43.440 They're a biological man but they've transitioned to a trans woman
00:06:46.400 I think it's fine to call them a trans woman 1.00
00:06:48.480 And you know in personal relationships
00:06:52.480 Like I mean, I'm not going to call someone their opposite pronoun like when I meet them 0.98
00:06:58.480 But I'm saying like I can't tweet that I don't want men in our locker rooms
00:07:02.800 I can't tweet that I don't want men in our sport
00:07:05.360 But you could tweet I don't want transgender women in my locker room 1.00
00:07:08.400 But what I'm saying is true though 0.56
00:07:10.640 And there shouldn't even be like a but you could phrase it like that
00:07:13.360 Like why do we have to change our speech when we're talking about things that are true?
00:07:17.200 It's because even if you don't think that trans women are women
00:07:20.800 They're also not really men anymore either
00:07:23.280 So they're kind of
00:07:24.960 They're their own thing
00:07:26.720 Like and they're under the umbrella
00:07:28.560 So I see women as an umbrella term okay 0.96
00:07:30.640 So like cis women are there 1.00
00:07:31.920 But trans women are under this umbrella 0.99
00:07:34.560 And I do think that they are a particular class 1.00
00:07:36.640 They suffer from a lot of things that we do some to a worse extent
00:07:42.240 Like the rate of death for black trans women is really bad
00:07:46.480 Especially in America
00:07:48.160 Like they do suffer a lot
00:07:49.760 And I do appreciate these things
00:07:52.320 Have you seen the rate of death of men?
00:07:55.200 Death of men?
00:07:56.240 Yes
00:07:56.720 By other men?
00:07:58.800 No just the rate of death of men
00:08:00.480 Because I just think the problem
00:08:01.680 The real problem this whole thing is the censorship
00:08:04.240 I think
00:08:04.800 Trans women trans people should be allowed to do whatever they want
00:08:15.600 But you can't censor other people's opinions
00:08:18.480 No you can't
00:08:19.200 Yeah that's wrong
00:08:19.920 I'm not saying that girls should be censored
00:08:21.920 I'm saying that if she wants to win
00:08:23.920 But that's basically what the policies and society is doing
00:08:26.480 They're censoring people even from what you're saying
00:08:29.840 The way you've been saying like
00:08:30.960 Well you should phrase it different
00:08:32.720 Why can't we just say it how we want to say it?
00:08:34.800 You can say it but you just need to be aware that you may cause offence
00:08:37.680 And if you're happy to do that
00:08:38.880 And happy to receive the backlash after what you've said
00:08:41.280 Then that's fine
00:08:41.920 I don't care about offence
00:08:43.200 That's cool then
00:08:43.920 People can be offended
00:08:44.960 My issue is when I'm now getting kicked out of a league
00:08:48.240 And now I'm getting other repercussions
00:08:50.160 Because I said something that's true
00:08:51.680 Because some people might not want to endorse you
00:08:54.640 So some organizations might not want to endorse you knowing that you have that opinion
00:08:58.480 Yeah and I think that's wrong
00:09:00.560 And that's why a lot of celebrities don't say nothing
00:09:02.160 Even if someone was a super far leftist
00:09:05.920 Like if you played on my
00:09:07.440 You know maybe you're kind of left
00:09:08.720 But like on my volleyball league
00:09:10.480 Like I think it's wrong that they cannot play because of an opinion
00:09:14.080 I mean I agree
00:09:15.520 I mean like I do music
00:09:16.880 And I think that you know within the art history world and all of that stuff
00:09:20.960 You know people want you to have like a certain type of personality and be super friendly and all that stuff
00:09:25.200 And kind of being nonchalant and private doesn't really get people anywhere
00:09:30.880 So I agree that you know certain things should be separated
00:09:34.240 You know you should separate who an individual is to what they do
00:09:38.480 Because sometimes in my opinion some of the most magnificent people are weird
00:09:45.520 And that's what makes them so magnificent
00:09:47.760 Because they're different 0.55
00:09:48.640 They're a little bit strange to some people
00:09:50.960 You know and I think it's okay for everyone to have an opinion
00:09:54.320 It's okay for everyone to speak about their opinion
00:09:56.720 You know these debates are good
00:09:58.000 You know it spreads awareness it spreads knowledge
00:10:00.320 But we have to also be aware that sometimes we're going to cause offense
00:10:04.640 Do you know what I mean to some people
00:10:06.080 Yeah I don't care
00:10:07.280 Not just that don't agree with us
00:10:08.800 But it's the way in which we word things
00:10:11.600 It's the way in which we say things
00:10:13.120 You know we can put on like you said
00:10:15.520 We can put our opinions across in a way that doesn't cause offense
00:10:19.360 People will listen and be like okay hold on this
00:10:21.040 You only really get to pick offensive or actually productive
00:10:24.800 You can't really do both
00:10:26.400 And it's fine if you want to say things the way you do
00:10:28.720 We can't we can't wait wait our only two options are offensive and productive
00:10:32.640 If you don't seem reasonable to the other party
00:10:34.720 Then they're not going to engage
00:10:35.280 Yeah but I can't help how I seem
00:10:36.720 Like I can't help their feelings
00:10:39.280 And at the end of the day it's like if we're talking about things that are true
00:10:42.160 They're true
00:10:43.120 And I can't help I can't help
00:10:44.960 I can't help how someone else feels about a fact
00:10:47.920 About something that is true
00:10:48.960 That's fine and it's not necessarily about feelings
00:10:51.360 But it's like enough of the population has agreed on a
00:10:55.520 Let's just say societal whatever
00:10:58.480 No I think it's a small percentage of the population that's pushing the societal contract
00:11:02.720 But if you're engaging with that small percentage of the population
00:11:06.320 And they're in charge of governing bodies that affect your sport
00:11:10.000 Well yeah and that's the issue
00:11:10.800 You have to meet them in the middle
00:11:12.320 And the issue is is that they get in charge of these organizations
00:11:15.520 When I was interviewing girls at the tournament a lot of people didn't agree with it
00:11:19.040 A lot of people were against it but they can't say anything
00:11:22.240 Because of these
00:11:23.440 You get cancelled
00:11:23.840 Yeah because of these
00:11:24.800 Yeah because of the governing bodies
00:11:26.720 So it's like I can't even speak out that I don't want them in my sports
00:11:29.600 I mean and if I'm being honest and no but the the issue is like this language
00:11:34.320 I'm sorry it's so confusing
00:11:35.840 No but to the average person's cis trans 0.98
00:11:38.800 I'm sorry I'm not even trying to be rude
00:11:40.400 It's confusing
00:11:41.280 It's not that
00:11:42.000 Like gender fluid 0.72
00:11:43.600 They're added in all these words gender fluid
00:11:46.640 It's because of what you say
00:11:47.760 Non-binary
00:11:48.320 I don't know what any of this means anymore
00:11:50.160 It's not that confusing to just call trans women trans women
00:11:53.040 No but then there's cis 1.00
00:11:55.120 Then there's non-binary gender fluid
00:11:58.000 All this shit's confusing to me
00:12:00.160 What you call biological women doesn't really matter that much 1.00
00:12:02.560 It doesn't but what if you're calling
00:12:05.600 Aside from it just being fucking confusing
00:12:07.760 Because we do need to differentiate
00:12:09.360 You do it's because of what you say
00:12:10.640 Between men and trans women 1.00
00:12:11.600 You want to differentiate
00:12:12.720 Otherwise it makes no sense
00:12:14.080 It goes back to what you said
00:12:14.640 No no no no no let's not go
00:12:17.200 A woman that's born a woman a woman 1.00
00:12:18.720 A man that's born a man a man 1.00
00:12:20.480 And then if you've transitioned you're called a trans woman
00:12:23.440 No no I don't want new language I just want a keynote
00:12:26.160 Otherwise you can't but what you want
00:12:27.600 I want the same language we've used for the last 500 years
00:12:32.560 No no okay transgender has existed for how many decades 1.00
00:12:36.880 It's crazy
00:12:37.440 Come on
00:12:38.000 It's older than us
00:12:40.880 So it's new right
00:12:42.240 In the 80s from a historical point of view
00:12:44.160 It is not new
00:12:44.800 It's not new
00:12:45.600 In regards of like what we can do with searching
00:12:47.680 Thanks