This TRANS REFUSE to Accept This TRUTH
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Summary
In this episode, we discuss the recent controversy surrounding the use of the term "trans woman" as a slur in relation to the trans community, and whether or not it's a slur or not. We also discuss the trans bathroom debate and whether it's safe for trans people to come out as trans.
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Regulated at least in the UK. They've regulated the prisons pretty well
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I do think there is still work to be done with sports, but these are all very individual
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No, I have different yeah, I'm about to get kicked out of the league for it to be honest because I said something about it
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Are we honest? I think then the biggest issue is you're just calling trans women men
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I feel like if you did use their PC language, they probably wouldn't have had as much issue with it
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Why do I have to change? Why do I have to change my language because it's just because it's
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Again again, but again, I wouldn't say I wouldn't I wouldn't say that it's the same when it's what you're born as
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It's for me. It's just confusing because if someone doesn't say
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If you know the words in other languages negro means black
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Negro is different from nigger. It doesn't matter
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Yeah, it's a terminology that people use and black people do not like when it's used by
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People that are not black. Okay, this class is disrespectful. So
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For word for word. It's if you've got a broad enough mind
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You'll be able to look at the example and see that you're calling someone a word and a phrase that they find disrespectful
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It could be someone that's obese you're calling them fat
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If you're a respectful person, you wouldn't call someone a terminology that offends them
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If you're a disrespectful person, you won't mind because you would like to offend people
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I think saying if someone's fat and they deserve to die or something
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Exactly my argument was black people are not born negroes
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I'm not going to say it because it sounds too similar
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You know it was used as a slur that's different
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This is a word used to explain a biological person
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But now you guys are demanding that we change our language
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So I need to know if we're talking about men or trans women
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So if you're if you keep calling trans women men
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I don't know what we're talking about at a certain point
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It's not the original way human beings have been thinking for the past couple of years
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But there has been a way of thinking for the past couple of thousands of years
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Not a lot of people came out that they were gay
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And it's the same with the trans community
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Until they feel comfortable enough to discuss their sexuality, their gender
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They are not going to come out and say oh I'm this
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I mean gay people suffered in the same way that trans people did right
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Everyone assumed all the gay men in the bathrooms are trying to fuck the kids
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And I have a lot of empathy towards people that are wary about their kids being trans
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And there's a lot of discussion about whether X, Y, or Z is safe
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I want to say that was like the 90s where we were having these types of
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But then I'm also not really convinced there is like a transgender ideology
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I do think in certain situations it's not quite there yet
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Especially around changing rooms because being naked is a vulnerability
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And if one of the people was like a pre-op transgender person
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So I don't know how much to base my feeling on what should be policy
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I do think that these things could be fixed easily
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Just fucking everyone should have their own cubicles
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But I also realize that in a lot of situations there isn't that yet
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If you're playing sports in a place that doesn't have those like facilities
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Again like cis women are a protected class
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And I think people are trying to kind of swoosh
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You know when it comes to like the law and things
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When it comes to sexism and things that can negatively affect us
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There are certain things that make us protected
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But what there is for transgender women is a little bit different
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But anyone that is a protected class is like black people for example
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To consider that we're you know different from a minority
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But I don't still don't understand what you were saying earlier
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Like why I should be punished for my speech when what I'm saying is true
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Because you you said you wouldn't have like been in that situation if you just used their pronouns
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So it's like why do I have to change my language when what I am saying is true?
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I'm just saying so it's not necessarily that you're wrong or that you need to change your language
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I'm saying if you want to win a fight and not necessarily just get kicked out of the volleyball league
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You have to adopt the way that other people are thinking
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Or they're just going to completely disregard you
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But the world is you have to adapt to the way that other people are being
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And to be fair calling a trans woman a man is kind of transphobic
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They're a biological man but they've transitioned to a trans woman
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I think it's fine to call them a trans woman
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Like I mean, I'm not going to call someone their opposite pronoun like when I meet them
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But I'm saying like I can't tweet that I don't want men in our locker rooms
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I can't tweet that I don't want men in our sport
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But you could tweet I don't want transgender women in my locker room
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And there shouldn't even be like a but you could phrase it like that
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Like why do we have to change our speech when we're talking about things that are true?
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It's because even if you don't think that trans women are women
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And I do think that they are a particular class
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They suffer from a lot of things that we do some to a worse extent
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Like the rate of death for black trans women is really bad
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The real problem this whole thing is the censorship
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Trans women trans people should be allowed to do whatever they want
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But that's basically what the policies and society is doing
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They're censoring people even from what you're saying
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Why can't we just say it how we want to say it?
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You can say it but you just need to be aware that you may cause offence
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And happy to receive the backlash after what you've said
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My issue is when I'm now getting kicked out of a league
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Because some people might not want to endorse you
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So some organizations might not want to endorse you knowing that you have that opinion
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And that's why a lot of celebrities don't say nothing
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Like I think it's wrong that they cannot play because of an opinion
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And I think that you know within the art history world and all of that stuff
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You know people want you to have like a certain type of personality and be super friendly and all that stuff
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And kind of being nonchalant and private doesn't really get people anywhere
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So I agree that you know certain things should be separated
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You know you should separate who an individual is to what they do
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Because sometimes in my opinion some of the most magnificent people are weird
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You know and I think it's okay for everyone to have an opinion
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It's okay for everyone to speak about their opinion
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You know it spreads awareness it spreads knowledge
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But we have to also be aware that sometimes we're going to cause offense
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We can put our opinions across in a way that doesn't cause offense
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People will listen and be like okay hold on this
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You only really get to pick offensive or actually productive
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And it's fine if you want to say things the way you do
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We can't we can't wait wait our only two options are offensive and productive
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If you don't seem reasonable to the other party
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And at the end of the day it's like if we're talking about things that are true
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I can't help how someone else feels about a fact
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That's fine and it's not necessarily about feelings
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But it's like enough of the population has agreed on a
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No I think it's a small percentage of the population that's pushing the societal contract
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But if you're engaging with that small percentage of the population
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And they're in charge of governing bodies that affect your sport
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And the issue is is that they get in charge of these organizations
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When I was interviewing girls at the tournament a lot of people didn't agree with it
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A lot of people were against it but they can't say anything
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So it's like I can't even speak out that I don't want them in my sports
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I mean and if I'm being honest and no but the the issue is like this language
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It's not that confusing to just call trans women trans women
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What you call biological women doesn't really matter that much
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And then if you've transitioned you're called a trans woman
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No no I don't want new language I just want a keynote
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I want the same language we've used for the last 500 years
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No no okay transgender has existed for how many decades
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In regards of like what we can do with searching