JustPearlyThings - July 15, 2023


Traditional Society SHAMED Masculine Women

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Hannah Pearl Davis
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King
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Length

9 minutes

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191.95

Word count

1,894

Sentence count

164

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Misogyny

41

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Toxicity

4

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16

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In this episode, we talk about feminism and its impact on our society, and how it has changed the way we look at women since the time of the 19th century. We discuss the benefits of feminism, the dangers of it, and what we would like to see in the future of feminism.

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00:00:00.000 Women were expected to learn how to sing or play an instrument to help pass the hours with evening entertainment. 0.69
00:00:08.680 So not only would you get a girl that could farm, make food from scratch, she also had to play an instrument and sing for all of your friends. 1.00
00:00:18.100 She had to trust you to make the final decision.
00:00:21.020 13, she'd take your last name.
00:00:23.240 None of this hyphen.
00:00:24.560 I want to keep my own name.
00:00:25.840 I'm going to still take my own last names.
00:00:26.980 All right, 14, she'd be raised to think marriage, motherhood, and duty to her husband was her purpose in life rather than motherhood being optimal, a burden, and having to delete the word obey from, oh my God, they deleted the word obey from wedding vows?
00:00:42.300 I didn't even know that.
00:00:43.540 All right, 15, because people courted and then married, didn't play the field, monogamy was strictly enforced. 1.00
00:00:52.440 You can forget about this modern 80-20 thing.
00:00:56.980 The modern, guerrilla-like, quasi-polygamy where fours are chasing dudes who are tens was gone.
00:01:03.280 Most men, provided they were mentally stable, not criminals could find a white. 0.97
00:01:07.640 Even if you were beta AF, you would not be invisible.
00:01:11.420 Some women out there would consider you a prospect. 1.00
00:01:14.360 Moreover, women had to look for traits that made a good husband. 1.00
00:01:17.920 That healthy, good-quality, gentlemanly traits that modern women find boring today, you wouldn't have to learn to be cocky, mildly cruel, borderline sociopath just to keep a woman's interest. 0.64
00:01:31.340 No leaving her on red for six hours.
00:01:33.440 You want to bring her flowers because you like her? 1.00
00:01:35.820 Odds are she'd actually appreciate it.
00:01:38.020 16, as a result of the smallness of the dating pool in the local village and the emphasis on choosing a man who's a good provider and had the traits of being sensible, caring husband, a distinctly mid-5 out of 10 guy had a good shot at a hottie.
00:01:52.540 As opposed to the results of dating apps, over half of dating now, where the men often end up with a woman significantly uglier than them and fatter than them. 0.91
00:02:03.860 Hey, do you know the stats? It's really interesting.
00:02:05.420 So I got one more. I need you to wait one more.
00:02:07.860 So this is my favorite one.
00:02:09.640 Did you find it, King?
00:02:10.880 All right.
00:02:11.640 There was a social stigma against women who nagged or yelled too much or berated their husband.
00:02:18.080 In England, they called this a scold, and there were laws against it.
00:02:22.540 And you could be punished by public shaming or forcing a woman to wear a muzzle. 0.69
00:02:29.540 Wait, show them.
00:02:30.580 Yeah, so if you nagged your husband too much.
00:02:36.100 I asked the guy, should we bring this back?
00:02:38.740 You know, I just wanted to see.
00:02:40.420 Scroll down, scroll down.
00:02:42.420 I don't even know what they said.
00:02:44.940 Let's see.
00:02:45.560 All right.
00:02:47.400 Scroll down.
00:02:49.460 Oh, wow.
00:02:50.620 Oh, no.
00:02:51.860 All right.
00:02:52.560 Sorry, I didn't think that went through.
00:02:54.120 Go, go, go.
00:02:55.100 Twitter's wild, and I don't know what to tell you guys.
00:02:58.520 So that was the quality of the wives then. 1.00
00:03:02.780 So do you think feminism has made us better women overall? 0.99
00:03:07.380 Do you know what?
00:03:08.080 Following here in your stats and even seeing that muzzle, I still have my views on feminism, 1.00
00:03:13.820 but I would say that it has played a huge part in assisting women, you know, with getting
00:03:20.840 a better quality of life, getting more equality, because obviously at some point there was a
00:03:26.420 lot of oppression and unfair treatment.
00:03:28.940 I don't think it was oppression ever.
00:03:32.200 Yeah, I believe so.
00:03:34.340 And I believe that, you know, to a certain point that it's assisted with, like, just creating
00:03:39.520 a better space, letting getting our voices heard.
00:03:42.200 Mm-hmm.
00:03:42.500 Because, like, it's all well saying that we don't agree with a lot of the things that
00:03:46.300 the feminists say today. 1.00
00:03:47.600 Mm-hmm.
00:03:47.960 The reason why I don't agree with them is because they're taking it too far and, like,
00:03:52.100 the definition has been lost of independence and what it is to be an independent woman and
00:03:58.080 person.
00:03:58.580 Mm-hmm.
00:03:58.980 But as far as feminism and what the people were doing to make the change and the changes, 1.00
00:04:03.900 I think that to a certain extent they are doing a good thing because it is important
00:04:08.660 that we have a diverse, you know, diverse voices on the tables, like you've got a diverse
00:04:15.060 panel, you know, so it's important that we can get a male's opinion, you know, so all 0.98
00:04:20.160 voices, all cultures are very important in order for us to breathe greater innovation for
00:04:25.700 us and breathe better humans within our children and a better future, you know, for us all to
00:04:30.620 have that growth.
00:04:31.280 I think the premise that men and women can be equal, I think, is wrong. 1.00
00:04:35.240 I think men are... 0.99
00:04:35.920 Yeah, but there's equal to what extent, you know, so obviously if you're talking in the
00:04:40.320 sense of relationships, then obviously we can go to traditions and cultures.
00:04:44.800 There's a few different factors that we can point out if we want to look at it in that
00:04:48.360 way.
00:04:49.280 But so I do agree that there is roles within the home.
00:04:53.040 I'm very traditional in that way.
00:04:55.080 I agree with a lot of the things that...
00:04:57.040 I don't agree with all of the things before feminism. 1.00
00:04:59.740 No, muzzle.
00:04:59.980 I kind of liked the muzzle.
00:05:02.260 You see, I'm very...
00:05:03.620 I like...
00:05:04.900 I do agree, you know, that, again, I'm all for diversity.
00:05:08.860 I think voices do need to be heard.
00:05:10.480 But there's respect as well.
00:05:12.920 And muzzle's very disrespectful.
00:05:15.020 Well, it was only used for extreme women. 1.00
00:05:18.700 You've seen those women that are berating their husbands in public, that make their husbands' 1.00
00:05:24.080 lives a living hell.
00:05:25.220 Well, it wasn't...
00:05:25.720 Yeah, but then that's down to how that woman was brought up. 1.00
00:05:28.640 And then that's down for the man as an individual to say, that's not the kind of woman I want 1.00
00:05:32.920 to be with.
00:05:33.680 Well, you were forced to be married back then.
00:05:36.280 So to me, I was like, I'm not saying we should bring back the muzzle.
00:05:39.620 I'm kind of joking.
00:05:40.780 But my thing is, I kind of understand it because they were forced in this marriage. 0.98
00:05:45.300 He's married to a wicked wife. 1.00
00:05:47.360 It's like women don't talk about social abuse or verbal abuse. 1.00
00:05:52.220 Women can be very verbally abusive. 1.00
00:05:54.040 And women are equally abusive as men. 0.88
00:05:56.460 You get men that go through domestic violence and because of women as well. 0.97
00:06:00.980 So it can work both ways.
00:06:02.540 And again, maybe it doesn't get discussed as much because obviously in today's culture,
00:06:08.680 today's culture, everything has been changed.
00:06:11.660 So feminism has actually brought and changed laws. 1.00
00:06:15.320 Whereas imagine if women, a lot of women were getting domestically abused and nothing 1.00
00:06:19.580 was getting done about it because their voices weren't being heard.
00:06:22.400 There wasn't laws for them.
00:06:24.380 But even back then, they would argue that the laws still favored women.
00:06:31.520 Like, for example, they estimate that 61% of murders were done by women and most of them
00:06:36.120 didn't even get, because back then they didn't have abortions. 1.00
00:06:38.540 So women would literally kill a quarter of their kids. 1.00
00:06:40.540 They'd just kill them.
00:06:41.220 We're also missing, there's like an interesting piece of the puzzle that we're missing in
00:06:44.560 this is that like, okay, let's go back to the 1700s.
00:06:47.600 And yes, like there's some different sort of expectations.
00:06:49.900 So women are doing all this stuff around the house, et cetera. 1.00
00:06:51.980 But it's like, what was life like for an average man in the 1700s?
00:06:56.080 Oh, horrible.
00:06:56.780 Right?
00:06:56.960 It's like you're working in a, you're breathing poison at work all the time.
00:07:01.560 You're dealing with poison.
00:07:02.820 You're dying.
00:07:03.340 Like, look at the life expenses.
00:07:04.420 It was way shorter for men.
00:07:05.720 It was like farmhand, coal miner, or a factory worker.
00:07:10.880 But I don't remember what year the factories came in.
00:07:13.100 And like, there's a pretty good chance you're going to get like a wound that kills you or you're
00:07:16.900 going to lose a limb at whatever job you're doing.
00:07:18.740 And you're going to die 10 to 15 years earlier than the woman in your life. 0.61
00:07:22.480 So it's like, oh, we have all these rules.
00:07:24.520 It's like, well, man, men had a really hard existence back then.
00:07:28.580 Right?
00:07:29.060 And it's like, can you give them a little credit?
00:07:30.720 He's going to die in war probably defending you.
00:07:34.240 Well, my, my thing is, I just think we can't be equal because every time, like, how can you
00:07:38.560 have equality when you'll always have to appeal to men to enforce our rights?
00:07:41.700 You always have to ask men to give us the rights. 0.91
00:07:43.880 No, we can't.
00:07:44.920 Can I ask a quick question about this article?
00:07:48.460 Was this, this is presenting a very overly idyllic version of the past and a very, very
00:07:54.680 like antagonistic version of the present?
00:07:57.640 Because there would have been many women back then who would have been bad wives, who would 1.00
00:08:02.080 have been very cruel to their husbands.
00:08:03.700 And there are many women now. 1.00
00:08:05.260 Hey, I showed you the muzzle.
00:08:06.300 But who would have been, this is presenting an overly idealistic version, because I agree
00:08:12.560 with you that I completely agree that feminism is bad, but to say that it was all brilliant 1.00
00:08:17.000 back then, because for example, as the gentleman rightly said, you know, a lot of men led very
00:08:21.200 difficult lives.
00:08:22.240 It's not like it was all rosy and brilliant.
00:08:24.820 I didn't say it was all good.
00:08:26.120 I would argue the wives were better then. 1.00
00:08:27.880 I mean, I think, I think, I think on the basis of purity alone.
00:08:31.920 Yeah.
00:08:32.160 Why is that a factor for goodness?
00:08:34.100 You can say that sex was actually used as a weapon to control husbands. 1.00
00:08:37.840 What percent of women have a cookbook today? 1.00
00:08:39.880 What percent of women really, you know, the average chick, I've had over 600, I've probably 1.00
00:08:45.680 had a thousand women in here in the last year. 1.00
00:08:47.860 The majority don't know how to cook.
00:08:49.260 Are they from this society?
00:08:51.240 I have interviewed women all over the world.
00:08:53.800 Like, yeah, everywhere.
00:08:55.080 I'm telling you, I can't even count how many countries we've had.
00:08:58.480 And I'm not saying there are women that are more traditional, that do cook, that do all 0.80
00:09:02.520 those traditional things, but do I think more than half of women have those skills today? 1.00
00:09:06.920 No.
00:09:07.480 Well, you don't have to go back far.
00:09:08.460 Just think of your grandparents' marriage.
00:09:09.920 Like, most of us can remember our, you know, our grandparents being together and what that
00:09:14.000 marriage looked like.
00:09:14.740 And it's probably different in how our parents were.
00:09:17.000 And it's different from our peers.
00:09:18.140 My mum showed me from young.
00:09:22.040 Yeah, like, I was grown up.
00:09:24.020 She looked after my dad.
00:09:25.240 She looked after the family.
00:09:27.060 My mum did not know what working was. 0.98
00:09:29.840 She was just a housewife. 1.00
00:09:31.320 She would cook.
00:09:32.320 My dad would come home from work and we would have a family dinner.
00:09:35.700 That's how it was.
00:09:36.400 19 years, my mum was putting up with it.
00:09:38.840 And I think it's just about how you're raised.
00:09:41.160 It's not about, like, I don't know.
00:09:43.620 It just really depends on how you're raised and, I guess, the people you're around, literally.
00:09:48.780 Being a housewife is a good thing as well. 1.00
00:09:50.840 We shouldn't knock housewives. 1.00