JustPearlyThings - July 15, 2023


Traditional Society SHAMED Masculine Women


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Length

9 minutes

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191.95297

Word Count

1,894

Sentence Count

146


Summary


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Women were expected to learn how to sing or play an instrument to help pass the hours with evening entertainment.
00:00:08.680 So not only would you get a girl that could farm, make food from scratch, she also had to play an instrument and sing for all of your friends.
00:00:18.100 She had to trust you to make the final decision.
00:00:21.020 13, she'd take your last name.
00:00:23.240 None of this hyphen.
00:00:24.560 I want to keep my own name.
00:00:25.840 I'm going to still take my own last names.
00:00:26.980 All right, 14, she'd be raised to think marriage, motherhood, and duty to her husband was her purpose in life rather than motherhood being optimal, a burden, and having to delete the word obey from, oh my God, they deleted the word obey from wedding vows?
00:00:42.300 I didn't even know that.
00:00:43.540 All right, 15, because people courted and then married, didn't play the field, monogamy was strictly enforced.
00:00:52.440 You can forget about this modern 80-20 thing.
00:00:56.980 The modern, guerrilla-like, quasi-polygamy where fours are chasing dudes who are tens was gone.
00:01:03.280 Most men, provided they were mentally stable, not criminals could find a white.
00:01:07.640 Even if you were beta AF, you would not be invisible.
00:01:11.420 Some women out there would consider you a prospect.
00:01:14.360 Moreover, women had to look for traits that made a good husband.
00:01:17.920 That healthy, good-quality, gentlemanly traits that modern women find boring today, you wouldn't have to learn to be cocky, mildly cruel, borderline sociopath just to keep a woman's interest.
00:01:31.340 No leaving her on red for six hours.
00:01:33.440 You want to bring her flowers because you like her?
00:01:35.820 Odds are she'd actually appreciate it.
00:01:38.020 16, as a result of the smallness of the dating pool in the local village and the emphasis on choosing a man who's a good provider and had the traits of being sensible, caring husband, a distinctly mid-5 out of 10 guy had a good shot at a hottie.
00:01:52.540 As opposed to the results of dating apps, over half of dating now, where the men often end up with a woman significantly uglier than them and fatter than them.
00:02:03.860 Hey, do you know the stats? It's really interesting.
00:02:05.420 So I got one more. I need you to wait one more.
00:02:07.860 So this is my favorite one.
00:02:09.640 Did you find it, King?
00:02:10.880 All right.
00:02:11.640 There was a social stigma against women who nagged or yelled too much or berated their husband.
00:02:18.080 In England, they called this a scold, and there were laws against it.
00:02:22.540 And you could be punished by public shaming or forcing a woman to wear a muzzle.
00:02:29.540 Wait, show them.
00:02:30.580 Yeah, so if you nagged your husband too much.
00:02:36.100 I asked the guy, should we bring this back?
00:02:38.740 You know, I just wanted to see.
00:02:40.420 Scroll down, scroll down.
00:02:42.420 I don't even know what they said.
00:02:44.940 Let's see.
00:02:45.560 All right.
00:02:47.400 Scroll down.
00:02:49.460 Oh, wow.
00:02:50.620 Oh, no.
00:02:51.860 All right.
00:02:52.560 Sorry, I didn't think that went through.
00:02:54.120 Go, go, go.
00:02:55.100 Twitter's wild, and I don't know what to tell you guys.
00:02:58.520 So that was the quality of the wives then.
00:03:02.780 So do you think feminism has made us better women overall?
00:03:07.380 Do you know what?
00:03:08.080 Following here in your stats and even seeing that muzzle, I still have my views on feminism,
00:03:13.820 but I would say that it has played a huge part in assisting women, you know, with getting
00:03:20.840 a better quality of life, getting more equality, because obviously at some point there was a
00:03:26.420 lot of oppression and unfair treatment.
00:03:28.940 I don't think it was oppression ever.
00:03:32.200 Yeah, I believe so.
00:03:34.340 And I believe that, you know, to a certain point that it's assisted with, like, just creating
00:03:39.520 a better space, letting getting our voices heard.
00:03:42.200 Mm-hmm.
00:03:42.500 Because, like, it's all well saying that we don't agree with a lot of the things that
00:03:46.300 the feminists say today.
00:03:47.600 Mm-hmm.
00:03:47.960 The reason why I don't agree with them is because they're taking it too far and, like,
00:03:52.100 the definition has been lost of independence and what it is to be an independent woman and
00:03:58.080 person.
00:03:58.580 Mm-hmm.
00:03:58.980 But as far as feminism and what the people were doing to make the change and the changes,
00:04:03.900 I think that to a certain extent they are doing a good thing because it is important
00:04:08.660 that we have a diverse, you know, diverse voices on the tables, like you've got a diverse
00:04:15.060 panel, you know, so it's important that we can get a male's opinion, you know, so all
00:04:20.160 voices, all cultures are very important in order for us to breathe greater innovation for
00:04:25.700 us and breathe better humans within our children and a better future, you know, for us all to
00:04:30.620 have that growth.
00:04:31.280 I think the premise that men and women can be equal, I think, is wrong.
00:04:35.240 I think men are...
00:04:35.920 Yeah, but there's equal to what extent, you know, so obviously if you're talking in the
00:04:40.320 sense of relationships, then obviously we can go to traditions and cultures.
00:04:44.800 There's a few different factors that we can point out if we want to look at it in that
00:04:48.360 way.
00:04:49.280 But so I do agree that there is roles within the home.
00:04:53.040 I'm very traditional in that way.
00:04:55.080 I agree with a lot of the things that...
00:04:57.040 I don't agree with all of the things before feminism.
00:04:59.740 No, muzzle.
00:04:59.980 I kind of liked the muzzle.
00:05:02.260 You see, I'm very...
00:05:03.620 I like...
00:05:04.900 I do agree, you know, that, again, I'm all for diversity.
00:05:08.860 I think voices do need to be heard.
00:05:10.480 But there's respect as well.
00:05:12.920 And muzzle's very disrespectful.
00:05:15.020 Well, it was only used for extreme women.
00:05:18.700 You've seen those women that are berating their husbands in public, that make their husbands'
00:05:24.080 lives a living hell.
00:05:25.220 Well, it wasn't...
00:05:25.720 Yeah, but then that's down to how that woman was brought up.
00:05:28.640 And then that's down for the man as an individual to say, that's not the kind of woman I want
00:05:32.920 to be with.
00:05:33.680 Well, you were forced to be married back then.
00:05:36.280 So to me, I was like, I'm not saying we should bring back the muzzle.
00:05:39.620 I'm kind of joking.
00:05:40.780 But my thing is, I kind of understand it because they were forced in this marriage.
00:05:45.300 He's married to a wicked wife.
00:05:47.360 It's like women don't talk about social abuse or verbal abuse.
00:05:52.220 Women can be very verbally abusive.
00:05:54.040 And women are equally abusive as men.
00:05:56.460 You get men that go through domestic violence and because of women as well.
00:06:00.980 So it can work both ways.
00:06:02.540 And again, maybe it doesn't get discussed as much because obviously in today's culture,
00:06:08.680 today's culture, everything has been changed.
00:06:11.660 So feminism has actually brought and changed laws.
00:06:15.320 Whereas imagine if women, a lot of women were getting domestically abused and nothing
00:06:19.580 was getting done about it because their voices weren't being heard.
00:06:22.400 There wasn't laws for them.
00:06:24.380 But even back then, they would argue that the laws still favored women.
00:06:31.520 Like, for example, they estimate that 61% of murders were done by women and most of them
00:06:36.120 didn't even get, because back then they didn't have abortions.
00:06:38.540 So women would literally kill a quarter of their kids.
00:06:40.540 They'd just kill them.
00:06:41.220 We're also missing, there's like an interesting piece of the puzzle that we're missing in
00:06:44.560 this is that like, okay, let's go back to the 1700s.
00:06:47.600 And yes, like there's some different sort of expectations.
00:06:49.900 So women are doing all this stuff around the house, et cetera.
00:06:51.980 But it's like, what was life like for an average man in the 1700s?
00:06:56.080 Oh, horrible.
00:06:56.780 Right?
00:06:56.960 It's like you're working in a, you're breathing poison at work all the time.
00:07:01.560 You're dealing with poison.
00:07:02.820 You're dying.
00:07:03.340 Like, look at the life expenses.
00:07:04.420 It was way shorter for men.
00:07:05.720 It was like farmhand, coal miner, or a factory worker.
00:07:10.880 But I don't remember what year the factories came in.
00:07:13.100 And like, there's a pretty good chance you're going to get like a wound that kills you or you're
00:07:16.900 going to lose a limb at whatever job you're doing.
00:07:18.740 And you're going to die 10 to 15 years earlier than the woman in your life.
00:07:22.480 So it's like, oh, we have all these rules.
00:07:24.520 It's like, well, man, men had a really hard existence back then.
00:07:28.580 Right?
00:07:29.060 And it's like, can you give them a little credit?
00:07:30.720 He's going to die in war probably defending you.
00:07:34.240 Well, my, my thing is, I just think we can't be equal because every time, like, how can you
00:07:38.560 have equality when you'll always have to appeal to men to enforce our rights?
00:07:41.700 You always have to ask men to give us the rights.
00:07:43.880 No, we can't.
00:07:44.920 Can I ask a quick question about this article?
00:07:48.460 Was this, this is presenting a very overly idyllic version of the past and a very, very
00:07:54.680 like antagonistic version of the present?
00:07:57.640 Because there would have been many women back then who would have been bad wives, who would
00:08:02.080 have been very cruel to their husbands.
00:08:03.700 And there are many women now.
00:08:05.260 Hey, I showed you the muzzle.
00:08:06.300 But who would have been, this is presenting an overly idealistic version, because I agree
00:08:12.560 with you that I completely agree that feminism is bad, but to say that it was all brilliant
00:08:17.000 back then, because for example, as the gentleman rightly said, you know, a lot of men led very
00:08:21.200 difficult lives.
00:08:22.240 It's not like it was all rosy and brilliant.
00:08:24.820 I didn't say it was all good.
00:08:26.120 I would argue the wives were better then.
00:08:27.880 I mean, I think, I think, I think on the basis of purity alone.
00:08:31.920 Yeah.
00:08:32.160 Why is that a factor for goodness?
00:08:34.100 You can say that sex was actually used as a weapon to control husbands.
00:08:37.840 What percent of women have a cookbook today?
00:08:39.880 What percent of women really, you know, the average chick, I've had over 600, I've probably
00:08:45.680 had a thousand women in here in the last year.
00:08:47.860 The majority don't know how to cook.
00:08:49.260 Are they from this society?
00:08:51.240 I have interviewed women all over the world.
00:08:53.800 Like, yeah, everywhere.
00:08:55.080 I'm telling you, I can't even count how many countries we've had.
00:08:58.480 And I'm not saying there are women that are more traditional, that do cook, that do all
00:09:02.520 those traditional things, but do I think more than half of women have those skills today?
00:09:06.920 No.
00:09:07.480 Well, you don't have to go back far.
00:09:08.460 Just think of your grandparents' marriage.
00:09:09.920 Like, most of us can remember our, you know, our grandparents being together and what that
00:09:14.000 marriage looked like.
00:09:14.740 And it's probably different in how our parents were.
00:09:17.000 And it's different from our peers.
00:09:18.140 My mum showed me from young.
00:09:22.040 Yeah, like, I was grown up.
00:09:24.020 She looked after my dad.
00:09:25.240 She looked after the family.
00:09:27.060 My mum did not know what working was.
00:09:29.840 She was just a housewife.
00:09:31.320 She would cook.
00:09:32.320 My dad would come home from work and we would have a family dinner.
00:09:35.700 That's how it was.
00:09:36.400 19 years, my mum was putting up with it.
00:09:38.840 And I think it's just about how you're raised.
00:09:41.160 It's not about, like, I don't know.
00:09:43.620 It just really depends on how you're raised and, I guess, the people you're around, literally.
00:09:48.780 Being a housewife is a good thing as well.
00:09:50.840 We shouldn't knock housewives.