JustPearlyThings - June 25, 2023


Trans Woman Downplays Real Female Athlete Struggles

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flexibility in gymnastics private changing rooms for trans people
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Hannah Pearl Davis
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Simone Biles Glee
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In this episode, we discuss the pros and cons of having a genderqueer in the sport of gymnastics. We discuss the benefits and disadvantages of being a trans woman or a trans man in gymnastics, and whether or not a transgender man should be allowed to compete in the women's division of the sport.

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00:00:00.000 So what about for, I'm just interested in if the same worry and concern would apply for transgender people who have gone from female to male, because then it would be surely on the basis of your philosophy, it would be a disadvantage for the trans man to go up against cis men, you know.
00:00:21.440 And I think that, I just think it should be fair because, you know, like if a trans man was to go against a cis man, and bearing in mind the trans man has, again, transitioned late in his life and has gone through female puberty, yeah.
00:00:36.040 I don't know if they're going to be at the same level as a cis man, but does it mean that they can't participate?
00:00:42.880 I know what they can continue.
00:00:44.200 No, I think it should be biological men, biological women.
00:00:47.300 I think that's how we should, we should flip it, but I don't think, and you can't take drugs, obviously, to be in the women's league. 1.00
00:00:55.180 I think it just has to be on biology.
00:00:57.880 I mean, they can participate, but they will lose.
00:01:01.400 Okay, it depends on the sport, right?
00:01:03.600 Okay, so I can speak about gymnastics.
00:01:05.760 I don't think it depends at all.
00:01:07.340 I think two leagues, biological men and biological women. 0.98
00:01:10.080 It's pretty black and white.
00:01:11.160 This should be a great area.
00:01:12.680 All right, let me speak.
00:01:14.720 So, with gymnastics, you have an advantage if you're shorter.
00:01:18.080 You can do more rotations.
00:01:19.680 Obviously, more women tend to be shorter than men. 0.99
00:01:22.360 All right, no way.
00:01:23.040 You also have an advantage.
00:01:23.340 I've seen the flips.
00:01:24.620 I've seen the flips.
00:01:25.740 Yeah, Simone Biles is 4'10". 1.00
00:01:28.220 I know.
00:01:28.680 No, she's very good.
00:01:29.920 But I'm saying the men, like, they go higher when they jump off the...
00:01:34.920 No, so, like, with gymnastics, it's not just being shorter that's beneficial, but it depends on the discipline.
00:01:39.820 I will say there are some disciplines within gymnastics a trans man would not have fun with. 0.99
00:01:44.500 Like, rings, for example, is all about upper body strength. 0.99
00:01:47.740 Ew, that's going to suck.
00:01:48.780 But when it comes to, like, floor exercise, and also I see it the other way around as well. 0.99
00:01:55.260 A trans woman would not have an advantage because she's going to be taller. 1.00
00:01:58.160 For example, when you're doing beam, having smaller feet is an advantage.
00:02:02.640 And being shorter, men struggle on the beam.
00:02:05.740 That's why they don't do it as a thing.
00:02:08.180 Like, men and women's gymnastics is pretty different.
00:02:11.440 There's only, like, a couple of shared disciplines within the two, which is vault and floor.
00:02:17.020 The bars are very different for both because they're adapted.
00:02:20.620 So, like, flexibility is the biggest one in gymnastics, and women are more flexible than men.
00:02:25.600 So, if being shorter is a benefit, and being more flexible is a benefit, then it makes sense that trans men would be able to compete in gymnastics.
00:02:32.440 Maybe there's specific things in gymnastics, but I still think biological men, biological women, to avoid all this confusion.
00:02:40.940 Because by that logic, then the women would go into the men's league, and then they would be at an advantage. 1.00
00:02:46.180 My gut is telling me the guys would still win, but, you know, I could be, I don't know, gymnastics like that.
00:02:53.780 So, in gymnastic, would you say that the spots where both men and women have, like, the same, like, disciplines, would you say the women are more athletic or better gymnasts than the guys?
00:03:05.660 I think women are better at floor. 1.00
00:03:07.140 There's a reason why female gymnastics has the highest viewership in the Olympics. 1.00
00:03:10.740 I don't think it's because of the, I don't, I think it's because they're females. 1.00
00:03:15.400 You don't think Simone Biles is good? 0.98
00:03:16.780 No, I think it's, so you think Simone Biles is more, is more, is a better gymnast than the best male gymnast?
00:03:23.940 So, because gymnastics is about flexibility, rather than just pure strength, except for rings, potentially, pommel holes to an extent.
00:03:34.300 Yeah.
00:03:35.040 No, no, gymnastics is not about flexibility.
00:03:37.120 Flexibility is something you need to do gymnastics.
00:03:39.360 Gymnastics is about pulling off skillful manoeuvres.
00:03:42.780 Yes, so, like, flexibility and, so if you're short, which women tend to be shorter than men on average, you're able to do more rotations on floor exercises than you are as a man.
00:03:55.220 But you just listed, like, you just listed a couple with the rings, you said rings, bar.
00:04:00.600 Yeah, rings, trans men would probably struggle. 1.00
00:04:03.200 Yeah, but the whole, the whole point, it doesn't even really matter because if you're saying women have the advantage, then, then it would just be vice versa. 0.91
00:04:09.880 So I'm saying to avoid the confusion, it should just be biological men, biological women.
00:04:13.940 I understand that it's like, it feels good to simplify things that way.
00:04:17.640 And it's not necessarily a wrong opinion to have.
00:04:20.960 I will say, like, although trans women are a protected class, and, you know, I'm pro-trans, I'm not anti-trans in any way at all, so are women.
00:04:31.720 Women are a protected class. 1.00
00:04:34.220 And that becomes an issue when it seems like both sides are complaining about their hurt feelings.
00:04:39.920 So for me, I want to fix things.
00:04:42.660 Wait, what do you mean, what do you mean hurt feelings?
00:04:44.980 Because I would say from the athlete's side, we're not complaining about our hurt feelings.
00:04:48.600 We don't want to get hurt.
00:04:49.960 So the two main complaints are both sides saying I'm uncomfortable for one reason or another.
00:04:54.920 And I'm like, I don't care if you're uncomfortable for either side.
00:04:57.620 It's irrelevant to how we're going to fix the issue.
00:05:01.420 And the other issue is, like, acceptance that is being forced to a point where,
00:05:08.360 I think that, to be fair, I think trans women have been told a lie,
00:05:12.300 which is simply that reducing your testosterone just fixes everything magically.
00:05:16.160 And I think they believe it because they've been told it.
00:05:19.480 And who wouldn't believe things that they've been told?
00:05:22.400 And if certain governing bodies, every governing body in sports is different, right?
00:05:26.840 So not every governing body allows X, Y, or Z is variable.
00:05:33.260 But I do think that it's the governing bodies and the sports themselves that kind of let this situation.
00:05:38.360 get to the point of where it is.
00:05:40.800 Like, I don't have any ill will towards the trans people in this discussion.
00:05:45.760 It's not really their fault.
00:05:48.500 Yeah, but it's not about ill will.
00:05:49.900 We're just talking about policies.
00:05:51.300 So it's not about what should you do.
00:05:53.740 It's like, what would the policies be?
00:05:55.660 Should they be allowed?
00:05:57.300 If, well, I'm a proponent of the same as him.
00:06:00.680 I'm like, it's variable on the sport.
00:06:02.640 So it's, it depends on the sport.
00:06:04.480 Yeah, it's variable.
00:06:04.980 It's variable.
00:06:05.040 Okay.
00:06:07.920 What's the next one?
00:06:08.980 Because you said something about, what about locker rooms, bathrooms?
00:06:14.800 They need their own unit.
00:06:16.520 They need their own space.
00:06:17.620 Why?
00:06:17.820 Because I've, from just watching, like I've watched, basically, you know, the, there was
00:06:27.400 an episode on Glee when the student unique went into the female's bathroom, right?
00:06:34.780 And then as he came out, well, as he came out of the stall, one of the cheerleaders stopped 1.00
00:06:41.140 him and was like, you can't use this bathroom.
00:06:42.900 You're not allowed.
00:06:44.640 You're a man.
00:06:46.100 And from that, it triggered a whole situation within the school where people, where boys
00:06:53.080 were walking into girls' locker rooms and girls were walking into male locker rooms. 0.83
00:06:57.440 And it just made the whole thing a confusing space for people.
00:07:01.100 Not until the end of the show I watched, right?
00:07:04.960 And where they gave him his own key to his own cubicle and it just, everything went back
00:07:11.480 to normal.
00:07:11.880 So I just feel as if they need their own space, if that makes sense, their own unit, their
00:07:16.760 own bathroom.
00:07:17.680 So they don't feel like they have to be pressured to go into the boys' bathroom or to the girls'
00:07:22.780 bathroom, depending on what.
00:07:23.760 Yeah, I mean, I don't like to get naked in front of anyone.
00:07:25.800 So I've never had to, because luckily, I guess with my schools and with whatever gyms and
00:07:30.980 swimming pools I've been to, they've always had like private cubicles, but I feel like
00:07:34.780 shared ones is more common in the U.S.
00:07:37.080 Well, in an athletic space, even at the tournament this weekend, they were in there.
00:07:40.420 I feel like that's uncomfortable for everyone, right?
00:07:44.600 I feel like, no, no, you're pretty, you get, as an athlete, you get pretty comfortable changing
00:07:49.360 in front of women.
00:07:50.260 I hate it.
00:07:50.940 But that's just women. 1.00
00:07:52.060 Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
00:07:52.780 It's not trans women. 0.98
00:07:54.460 If it was trans women, I'd feel like, okay, okay. 1.00
00:07:57.980 You was once a man, okay.
00:08:00.140 I will start to think a little bit like, are you watching me sort of thing?
00:08:04.560 I'm just a prover.
00:08:05.080 It's uncomfortable for both.
00:08:08.400 Like, it's uncomfortable for trans women and for women, because I can, like me putting
00:08:13.540 myself in a trans woman's shoes, which I can try.
00:08:17.320 I mean, I can't exactly relate, but I would feel very, just, I would have so many, like
00:08:24.760 a million doubts and thoughts running in my head.
00:08:26.680 Like, I think having a changing room just dedicated to trans people would be so much better for
00:08:32.060 them and for everyone else.
00:08:34.640 I think we should just...
00:08:36.320 Private cubicles for all.
00:08:38.440 Yeah.
00:08:38.860 I don't want to see anyone naked.
00:08:40.220 I don't know, because even with the bathroom, like, I don't, I just want, like, I just think
00:08:44.040 even when you're doing your makeup and you're just doing like girls stuff, I don't know.
00:08:47.640 It's just nice to just have girls in there. 1.00
00:08:50.060 It sounds, if I can just, it's sounding like a little bit, um, what's the right word?
00:08:55.500 Like prejudice, because, you know, if someone's transitioned, then they've, they should be
00:09:01.920 able to go into the, um, restroom of that gender that they've transitioned to.
00:09:07.940 I think bathrooms might a list. 0.81
00:09:08.840 No, I think it's a bit crazy because let's just say, for example, you have a trans woman 1.00
00:09:13.060 or a trans man that now goes into the restroom of the gender that they was born, but they've
00:09:19.380 already started surgeries.
00:09:20.760 They've already started testosterone.
00:09:22.660 They're going to be majorly misplaced.
00:09:25.640 And anyone that's in that restroom with them is going to feel super uncomfortable.
00:09:30.140 I mean, if they've completed their transition or even halfway through with their transition,
00:09:35.720 then, and no, no one would know the difference, especially if,
00:09:38.840 for example.
00:09:39.700 No, you can, you can tell.
00:09:41.480 Not all the time.
00:09:42.660 I will say like.
00:09:43.060 Maybe with men to female sometimes because of, for example, like height, hand size, feet
00:09:49.420 size, but not every single man is like six foot.
00:09:52.860 Some men are small. 0.98
00:09:54.000 I will say like, butch lesbians kind of get the worst of this because there's a lot more 1.00
00:09:58.000 like masculine lesbians than there are like trans women that I've ever met in the wild. 0.99
00:10:02.460 Cause I have trans friends, but I've, I don't think I've ever met on just.
00:10:06.080 Even, even when we go to like locker rooms, like if you, if you in public, you, you get
00:10:11.240 naked, that's indecent exposure.
00:10:13.360 And so, but it's like, especially a lot of the trans women, like they don't end up getting
00:10:19.040 the search.