What Do Feminists Fight For？
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Summary
In this episode, I sit down with my good friend, Nizana, to discuss feminism in the modern world. We discuss feminism's role in society, what feminism is fighting for and what we need to fight for in order to achieve equality.
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do you feel like equality is possible with anyone like even me and you we're both we're both women
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right but me and you like we're going to be unequal in different things so when when people
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say equality i never know what they're talking about yeah because i guess it there's always
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a third party that kind of sets the standards right for equality so i guess equality just
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means like same chances and possibility for everyone's but i don't like to i don't even
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like the word equality i think we were talking about this with some friends i think uh um equality
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is never the right word because people come from different backgrounds different like even economical
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situations so we don't have the same possibilities so it's almost like equality of opportunity would
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be better than just i think i don't remember the exact word we use not equality we use like
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inclusion or something like that yeah okay well thank you so much i appreciate it do you have any
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socials you want to plug uh yes my instagram it's at gabby underscore d mua i'm a makeup artist thank
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you so much i appreciate it you guys uh i was really hoping to get somebody that disagreed with me because
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at first everyone that came up to me just agreed with me all day until dun dun dun what's your name
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my name's nizana i'm pearl nice to meet you um would you identify as a feminist i would say that i i do
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yes okay so what do you think we need feminism for in 2022 um so this girl demanded that she see this
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video the edits before i post it um so this is just me letting you know that no um you decided to sit
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down and get recorded you don't get to see what i do with the footage well in 2022 i think we need
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feminism for the equality of all genders and all sexes and that's that really so what like like what
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specific policy are we fighting for equality of all sexes and the fact that men have certain
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privileges that of course women don't we don't have the privilege of walking in the middle of the night
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and not being scared that someone's going to attack us and we're fighting for equality in those terms and
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beyond that as well in terms of you know in the legal world in terms of uh education in terms of uh jobs
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there's so many things that so to start men are more likely to be victims of a violent crime than
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women so um if like and i don't really know what policy we'd be fighting for because i think across
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the board like i i say grape on youtube i can't say that i can't say i can't say r-a-p-e on youtube so
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i'm gonna say great okay like grape is illegal murder is legal so all violence is illegal so i just
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don't know what policy we're fighting for because if you just tell bad guys don't don't grape or don't
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kill like they're not going to stop but like marches aren't going to fix that it's just law enforcement
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yeah i agree i i'm an aspiring barrister so i know that more than anything it is the legal side of
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things that do need to be put in force more i guess boldly and solidly to in order for us to actually
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achieve equality it's not a thing of oh what is the one policy that's going to make this work and
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that's going to that what we're fighting for there's so many things that feminism is fighting for and
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you can't sort of box that into a certain thing and say oh why what is the one policy you're fighting
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for i disagree with that it's not it's not one policy because to me we are equal yeah like to me
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in 2022 i don't think we need feminism because i don't think there's anything left to fight for
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well i would disagree with that and i think i don't know where the conversation would go from
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that other than to say that there are so many things well so i'd like you to like list them so
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so if women are at a disadvantage but not like because the first example you gave men are more
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likely to be victims of a violent crime so we're not disadvantaged in that regard like men men also
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are afraid to walk alone at night in a dangerous area i take your point but i think there's a certain
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privilege of even us living in the western world that you won't see beyond just this island country
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there's so much more that we haven't seen in uh south asian countries where my parents originally from
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from um african countries from south american countries and a lot of it is to do with education
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there's there is a clear disparity between the education of males to females and you don't see
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that because we live here women dominate colleges yeah yeah so yeah but an advantage there but do
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they dominate colleges in bangladesh do they dominate colleges in india well but in any population group
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it's never going to be equal like like if you take okay if you take a group of anyone it's never going
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to be 50 50 down the middle because people have different things that interest them yeah so yeah so
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to me it's like if there's nothing in their way stopping them from going to school and and for me
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i'm specifically i will sorry i should have prefaced with this but i'm talking about like
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england us because i'm american and and here there's nothing stopping us from getting an education
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so so to me like what what's what's holding us back i mean i think about feminism as it also
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being intersectional in this in the sense that i'm talking about race i'm talking about class as well
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socio-economic divide in this country it's so clear okay so i just want to for this conversation
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stick to gender because that that's like what we're talking about because that's a whole nother yeah
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but um because to me like i i just don't see anything holding us back there's nothing i can't do
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and like there are companies that have done um like google did a study on its employees because they
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thought they were paying women less but when they took into account the number of hours worked and the
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specific jobs that they had women were making eight percent more and i could quote you study
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after study after study that that shows there's no pay gap when you take in into the account hours worked
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and interest well i don't like the fact that you're taking one study out of and i would love to see
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that you know it bullet pointed and written down in my own eyes but i don't like uh just seeing oh from
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one company and one this and one that because we have to look at it in the entirety and looking at
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in the in the um in the entirety and even for example for me i'm an aspiring barrister we're all
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self-employed there's that what is that barrister is an advocate in court they're a lawyer
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um and for example they're self-employed but in their chambers where they work they don't have such
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thing as maternity pay how are they meant to fund themselves their their families their children when
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they don't have those policies in places and that's where we disagree because you're saying oh
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everything's good happy and jolly but that's not the case is there paternity pay no there's so it's
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equal then i would disagree just because i mean a woman has to literally shoot someone out of their
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vagina you know what i mean oh gosh it's raining um and i you know that is just one example but what i'm
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trying to say is that that we look at a whole range of things and we can see quite clearly that
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it's not equal well because like what i'd like to hear from feminists is like what is the specific
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problem and what do you specifically propose lawmakers do about it i feel like it's so hard
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to you're putting me on the spot but it's so hard to just kind of get it up in my head because there are
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so many things wrong i mean i mean you know abortion and healthcare in america that's insane i don't even
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want to delve into that because it's just insanity i would say compared to here we are blessed with
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the nhs but i think you can get abortions in america it's not illegal yeah but in certain states
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there's certain conditions and there's certain things that had to be in order for someone to
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get an abortion again i'm not i don't live in the us i don't want to get it because the one thing like
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like men aren't like with women don't if i don't want to be a mother i can get an abortion or drive to
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a state that allows me to get an abortion but if a man doesn't want to be a father he can't he can't
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he's he's stuck on child support for 18 years he can't he can't opt out of being a father the way
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that women can opt out of being a mother i have a question for you are you pro-choice or pro-life
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am i pro-choice or pro-life oh i'm pro-life yeah i can see quite clearly um sorry what was your
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question so i'm saying like i i i would say that in in terms of reproduction men are at the disadvantage
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because if i if i get pregnant right let's say let's see um there's a guy i get pregnant and he
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doesn't want me to keep the baby he has no say and on top of that so he he he stuck on child support for
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18 years where where me i i can cash a check there are women that are that are seeking out hot top
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individuals like nba players like trying to get pregnant by them because the justice system is so
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in favor of women like i just have to get you know i just have to get pregnant by a dude and i i'm
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entitled to his money for 18 years you know what you're the way you're twisting things is actually
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reminding me of how the media twists everything in the sense that you take the one percent of the
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cases that are happening and i and i and i wouldn't say i would disagree with the whole nba thing but a
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woman's body is her body she can choose to do whatever the fuck she wants with that it's not
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necessarily a guy's choice to say hey i bought the baby because i don't want it no that's that's
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your bit that's not your business it's a woman's body it's my body i'm gonna birth the child but
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it's his baby you're the one that had sex with the woman that's your fault you you don't you don't
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fault for having sex with him no you can't say that just because no we're talking the other way
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around okay fair enough i would take your point but i'm saying you can't say the whole point of oh just
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because the man doesn't want the baby it's not his body to choose whatever the hell he wants with it