What Every Woman Must Know About PREGNACY
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In this episode, we talk about abortion, pro-life vs. pro-choice, and the age range of abortions in England and Wales. We also talk about the importance of women's reproductive rights, and what it means to live in a country that allows for abortion.
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a little heavy topic today. But so I have something that I'm going to read. So 214,256
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abortions were performed in England and Wales in 2022. The highest rate since the Abortion Act was
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introduced in October of 1967. The standardized abortion rates for residents is 18.6 abortions
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per 1,000 women. Abortion rates for women under 18 has decreased from 15% or from 15 per
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1,000 in 2011 to 6.4 per 1,000 in 2021. 99% of abortions were funded by NHS. Abortion rates
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are the highest among women of, I'm just curious, guess what you think, what age is the highest?
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I'm just curious. Youngest, I think. Young. Up 20, 16, 18. 16, 18. Yeah, I would say probably
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18. Maybe like 16 or 21 or something. Okay, would you say 19? Mid-20s. Mid-20s. You're
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the close. 28. 22. As the highest among women at the age of 22 years old, the largest increase
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has been between women between the ages of 30 and 34 years old. 82% of abortions in the
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UK were from women that were single. 49% of those women listed single with a partner as
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their status. 78% of the women noted their ethnicity on the forms were white, 9% were
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aged, 7% were black, and 5% were mixed. 98% of abortions in the UK were performed under
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ground C. That the pregnancy has not exceeded its 24th week and that the continuance of the
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pregnancy would involve risk greater than if the pregnancy were terminated of injury to
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the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman. 43% of women undergoing abortions have
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had one or more previous abortions. So question for the women. Are you pro-life or pro-choice?
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Just to clarify, if anyone doesn't know, pro-life is when a woman wouldn't have an abortion.
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Oh, wait. Oh, sorry. I'm reading this wrong. Are you pro-life?
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Oh, no. Pro-life or pro-choice. Okay. Pro-life is when a woman wouldn't have an abortion and
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doesn't want other women to have either. In pro-life, pro-choice women is one that wouldn't
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have abortions themselves but want other women to have a choice. A pro-choice, pro-choice...
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I'm sorry. Someone sent this to me and I'm like reading this wrong. Okay. Basically,
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like, would you have an abortion yourself and do you think it should be legal is the question.
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Yeah, I'm pro-choice. Um, I think it should be legal and I would have an abortion.
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Um, I am pro-life and I think it should be legal.
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Go ahead. Yes and yes. Okay. Uh, well, you can't but, um, but pro-life or pro-choice?
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I think abortion is wrong. Okay. So pro-life? Yeah. Okay. Um, pro-choice. Pro-choice. Oh, hi guys.
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Um, do you, um, so today's topic is abortion and the question is are you pro- what's your name? Why don't
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you start with your name, your age and then are you pro-life or pro-choice? Hi, I'm Sunny. I'm 25 and I'm pro-choice.
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Okay. Uh, I'm Taylor, 27. Taylor, 27. I'm pro-choice. Okay. Um, so Blessing, you want to play the first video?
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Personal experience with abortion and I don't think we talk about this enough. Abortion can be another word for mercy.
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Some 16 year old's life has been irrevocably changed because of the current overturning of
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Roe v. Wade and what its implications are, what it means to live in a country that puts us in this
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position. And when you are a young woman starting out your career, your reproductive destiny matters
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a great deal. Nowadays, I couldn't take that for granted. I couldn't take that freedom for granted,
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the freedom of choice. We know that no two pregnancies are alike and it follows that no two lives are
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like, that follows that no two conceptions are alike. So how can we have a law? How can we have
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a point of view on this that says we must treat everything the same? When you allow for choice,
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you allow for flexibility, which is what we need in order to be human. This is not a moral conversation
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about abortion. This is a practical conversation about women's rights. And by the way, human rights,
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because women's rights are human rights and the freedom that we all need to be able to
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to choose and build our lives and have access to excellent health care. My own personal experience
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with abortion. And I don't think we talk. Okay, so what did you guys think of that video?
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So you can start and then go around. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's sad because she's talking about the woman,
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but she doesn't make any mention about the child. There's another life. There's two lives involved
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when we're talking about abortion and one life chooses to end the life of that innocent human
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being. So I think she's just totally ignoring the other human being in the equation.
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I agree with what you said. I think abortion should be legal. I think it's the woman's choice if she wants
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I take it from the viewpoint of the fact that we are not just to consider
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just the individual. I feel like human life has, or the woman has a choice. The unborn doesn't have a choice.
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So, you know, that should be factored in. And because that is another human life as well. So, yeah.
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I think it's incredibly brave of her firstly, to actually speak up and discuss a subject on such
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a large world stage that is so judged. And like, for her to do that is a big step for the freedom
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of speech around this topic. And has literally opened up the floor for this topic. I think
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considering the life of a child, it has to be encompassed of who is actually raising that child.
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You know, the child isn't just born and then becomes its own soul and its own being. It's raised by,
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as a byproduct of what the parent currently is and the pattern and the blueprint that the parent has
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created. And if you haven't yourself done the work to enable yourself to be the best possible parent
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of only yourself and your inner child, to then be expected to raise another child would actually be
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a discredit to the unborn being. I think like, to become a parent is to know that you're ready
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to raise another being and consider that actually you're passing on your blueprint. And if you still
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carry heavy trauma, then how can you raise another being to its best possible potential of soul?
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I feel like people raised kids with trauma all the time before.
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Yeah. I mean, I think we all carry trauma to some degree, but if there's certain parts of yourself that
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you haven't eradicated or developed, then like to imprint that onto a child is like quite a big thing.
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Yeah, I think age gap, I'm sorry, age is really important when deciding whether to get an abortion
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or not. And she was pretty old, that woman. So she, yeah, I don't really think she knows what it's like
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to be in a position of someone that's younger that might need to get an abortion, you know.
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I think depending on the age, it's got a very big part to play in it. If you're 17, 18,
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you need to get an abortion because you know you're not financially unstable to look after that child.
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Then yeah, I mean, gotta have it. But then again, that all comes down to, you know,
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your decision to like have sex at that age, you know. And at that age, I don't think people should be
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Yeah, I had a lot of friends in primary school, and then they went to secondary school and they
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got pregnant at 17. And they kept like three of my friends. I don't know them, but yeah,
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now they all have children, maybe even four now, I think.
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Yeah, so personally, I think obviously, let's get the facts out there that obviously it is murder,
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right? Killing an unborn child is still murder. And obviously, it is a separate person. Like,
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people think, oh, it's my child, or it's my partner's child. But actually, it's a separate
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person. So yeah, like, it is a fact. However, we have a free will, and we have a choice. No matter
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what people say, no matter what they do, we still have a choice. No one can change us, not God,
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not devil. We can only change ourselves, and we have that free will. So whatever we decide,
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it should be our choice. Okay, what about you two? I feel like, like any challenge,
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you have to be ready for it. If you're not ready for it, then the results may go ways that you can't
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even anticipate. So I feel like the circumstances that people are in before they have a child should
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be taken into account heavily when making such decisions.
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Just the same kind of, I don't think you should bring a child into a situation
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Like, just a quick question for my own self that's just been triggered is like,
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is it still classified as a human being when it can't breathe on its own?
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Yeah. But like, scientifically, like if you can't take your own breath,
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Well, from the point of fertilization, when the sperm and the egg meet, that's scientifically
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the beginning of a new human being start. So that's when we all, our lives all began. And then you just
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need time to grow into a more, you know, adult version of yourself. So that is when life begins.
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So is it still classified, even though you're not dependent on your own life?
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90% of scientists say that life begins at conception.
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So I'm curious. Okay. So for the people that are pro-life, so one, two, three,
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it's a good mixed panel today. When do you, so would you guys say that abortion should be outlawed
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completely? You would say, yeah. If you see me, if you say yes, raise your hand.
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You think it should be outlawed completely? Okay. For the people that are pro-choice,
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when, how long up to abortion, like should abortion be legal to tell? Up to birth, up to six months,
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up to three months, or if you have a different number, but those are the three most common answers
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I mean, of course, not up until the day that you're like gonna give birth, but I think the day that
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it's at now, what is it, like 24 weeks or something? Yeah, you guys have six months.
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Oh, so six months. Yeah, I think, you know, if the doctors and people are saying six months is
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I mean, personally, I wouldn't have one, you know, six months. I would try and get us done as
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early as possible, but, you know, six months, then it's six months. Okay.
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At what point does it, like, maybe this is just my lack of knowledge, but at what point does it form
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into, from a fetus to an actual being? Like, where is the form of the brain and like, where is the
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form of the heart? Like, where does that actual scientific process like, uh, transform?
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You know, yeah, you know this, right? Um, well, I mean, development is an ongoing process, right?
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So actually the heart starts beating at around 21 days. Um, and so a lot of women don't even know
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they're pregnant then. Um, and the brain waves, uh, around six weeks, at eight weeks, uh, the baby
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actually has, um, the 90% of the same organs that we, that we have as adults. So it's actually very
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surprising to develop. Wait, say that again? The organ thing? At eight weeks from fertilization.
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So eight weeks, if you think about it, most women find out they're pregnant, you know,
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maybe they miss their period and they find out five, six, six weeks or something.
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Oh, I didn't even know that. So at eight weeks, that baby, that, or that embryo has, um, yeah,
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has 90% of the same organs that you and I have. At what point do we stop, like, where's the
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transformation from like embryo to fetus to baby? I mean, these are just names. So these
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are just scientific terms. So, um, the word fetus just means little one in Latin. And that is from
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nine weeks. We call it an embryo from the first point is called a zygote. Then we call it an
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embryo up to, um, eight weeks. And then from nine weeks onwards, it's referred to
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as a fetus when that baby, when that child's born, it's now a baby. Then it becomes a toddler.
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Then it becomes, you know, child, teenager, adult. These are just stages of development.
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They don't say whether we're, you know, how valuable we are. We don't say, you know, that a
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teenager is more valuable than a toddler simply because it's older. Because it breathes for itself.
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Well, a toddler breathes for itself, doesn't it? Yeah. So I'm saying that a teenager is not
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more valuable. But an embryo doesn't breathe for itself, right? It's required
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someone else's breath to survive. Is that when you think that life
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conception, like, so at birth? I'm kind of unpacking this as we go,
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which is kind of interesting, actually. No, no, no, it's fine. I'm just asking.
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Actually, something that, um, I don't know your name, which is... Cass. Cass.
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Something that Cass said was like, oh, hang on a second. Like, at what point is it actually
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still dependent on, like, my breath to survive? Like, it's not its own... Is it a human... Like,
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it made me think, is it a human being yet? Because it's not actually being on its own. It has to breathe
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through me. It requires everything from... When I say me, I'm referring to, uh, the female reproductive
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organs. Like, it's not being its own human at that point. It has to breathe through me. And that got me
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really thinking about the actual stages of this process. Because I'm just thinking, like, that
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argument, then you could abort it, like, a couple days before you give birth. Which, which I, I don't
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know about you. I think we'd agree that's, that's a little late. Yeah. You know, I mean... I would
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agree with you. Yeah, yeah. And so, um, yeah, that's... If we go by the breath argument, um... But do you
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have any memories, anyone in the room, of eight weeks old? Because you're saying, oh, at eight weeks,
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it's breathing. At three weeks, it's breathing. Because, like... I don't have any, I don't have any
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memories before the age of, like, five. But I hope they didn't kill me at four. You kind of formulate
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your memories at five. Literally. Um, what about, like, medical issues? Like, what's your opinion on
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that? Like, if a doctor said to, like, a mother, like, your child's severely disabled, that's not going
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to have a good quality of life. Like, they have a chance of dying before they even reach a certain age.
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Like, what's your opinion on that? Yeah, I mean, these, these are real challenges and real
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hard issues for any parent to have to go, go through. Um, but we, I'd ask, ask you, you know,
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let's say I, I'm pregnant and then I have, I have a child and my child's disabled. You know,
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my child is born and I find that my child's disabled. Can I kill my child once it's born?
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Well, I mean, obviously not, but. Well, why not? Why not? If it's disabled, it's, it's not going to
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have a good quality of life, is it? Well, yeah, but at that point, it's already been born. I mean,
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you're not just going to kill your child because once it's been born, it's disabled, but.
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So what's the difference between that born child and that unborn child? Well, I don't think abortion's
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the matter. So that's my opinion on it. So. So, so then your, so your issue is not necessarily
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about disability, it's about, um, choice. Yeah. So I was just saying, like, if they said, you know,
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some children live until like they're one, they're two, they're three, if they're really, really
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disabled and they're going to be completely dependent on the parent for the rest of their
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life. And the doctors saying, you know, they're going to be like really disabled. Would you be,
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would you still say to like a mother, like, don't get an abortion, like carry on, you know, birth the
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child? Yeah. I mean, I don't think that the disabled people are less valuable or less human than
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able-bodied people and whether I don't think they should be killed born or unborn because I think
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science tells us that they're just as much human in the womb as they are outside of the womb.
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And I don't, I don't know if you know this, but that's like a common argument for you. Do you know
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what eugenics is? No. Anyone? Eugenics? No. Okay. It's basically like trying to get
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like a more pure population. Um, so a lot of people would, um, like, um, a lot of people would
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do that through like, um, um, through, uh, what would they say? So Planned Parenthood in the U.S.
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was started by a racist and basically her whole plan was to, um, abort, they put abortion clinics in
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like the black community there and then also in low income areas and then like disabled. Like,
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she felt like, um, you need to get like a more pure population. So when you say like,
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should you abort disabled kids, it's, it's kind of an argument for eugenics. But I mean,
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I don't think you actually think that, but that's just, um, as many of you know, I was just banned
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