When ABORTION Becomes a CRIME
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Summary
Pro-choicers and pro-lifers discuss abortion, when it should be legalised and when it s ok to have kids after 6 months of pregnancy, and what should happen if a woman has a baby at 6 months.
Transcript
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So I'm curious pro-choicers when I'm assuming you guys think life begins at conception. Yeah
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Pro-choicers. When do you guys think life begins? How many weeks?
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Should it abortion be legal up to birth three weeks a month like what's your starting here and then
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Sorry. Yeah, when should abortion be legalized?
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The laws at the moment isn't it like 12 weeks or something?
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It's six months six months. Okay, I don't agree with that
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But I'm sure that at some point was it 12 weeks
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I don't know where I got that from but I'm sure at some 12 probably 12 weeks is trees
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Yeah, it's not 12 weeks is is what you can get the pill up to is it the pill and then after that
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No, it's it's the but it becomes more likely that you'll get a surgical the later on that you're getting it
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Yeah, yeah, well, they're literally taking the mick with it right now. They've
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There was there was that's too much that need us that's murder to me
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Yeah, that's too much. I wasn't aware of that because I don't know the stats
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Well, some children have survived at less than six months at like five and a half. Yeah
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Finish it these three months. I mean I should be like up to three months and after that
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You don't want it just give it to adoption. There's lots of people that can't have kids after that. Just give birth give it to
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Yeah, I mean at six months you're almost all the way there
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When you're 12 weeks isn't that when you have like your first scan when I had my son
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I have a nine-year-old so when I had my son you have your first gun when you're 12 weeks and then you have another one when you're 25 weeks
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Depending on people's circumstances everyone's different, but when they have it if they if they do get pregnant
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Maybe just before 12 weeks after 12 weeks because there must be a reason why you have your first scan at 12 weeks
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Stuff behind it, but there must be a reason why you don't see anything
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But a heartbeat like if I go if there was complications or at one point I was like six weeks and I started spotting
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Spotting is when you start seeing blood when you're pregnant
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Um, then you would go and get an exam or when you go to get that exam because it's an early pregnancy scam
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They actually put like this special camera inside you because it's too small to see anything
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Everyone has their different terms, but when um fetus is that small
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I would say in my head it would sit right with me
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I have a nephew that was premature and he was born at six months old and my nephew was tiny. He weighed about
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Weight as a bag of sugar literally he was tiny like that
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You would agree that the six months at least yeah, like six months is too much for me because when my nephew was born
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So I have a question for a woman that aborts a kid after six months. Should she face jail time?
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Obviously certain people go through certain traumatic experiences which would make them maybe angry
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In in that sense, but I don't think a woman should go to jail for having an abortion
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What if what if like um the mom has the kid and then the dad throws it off of a bridge should he go to jail
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If the dad if the if the woman has the kid at six months
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And then the dad throws it off the bridge should he go to jail well, of course that's murder
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No, because when it's still it's still inside of the woman
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It's a part of the woman so the woman can still use the whole my body my choice when she's physically given birth
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Yeah, breathing by itself doing everything by itself
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So then if we're gonna go off of location then shouldn't you just legalize it up to nine months?
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No, like the day before she gives birth she says no because I think
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However, I think that because due to the development and how a baby is developed
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The fetus or whatever the terminology is hasn't fully developed into a child
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But I'm saying it's like there needs to be a certain stop to it. I'm I'm for it for three months
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Yeah, but no, so my only question is i'm i'm just curious why there would not if you don't if you think it should be illegal at
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Six right, which I think we would agree on right six months is too far along. Yeah, I'm just curious
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It just seems like whenever there's a consequence for women
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Like we always want to bail women out. No, no, no, not at all
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So it's like when when there would be a legal consequence then we're like, oh, no, that's too far
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No, no, no, I watched something yesterday on on prime and it was about a woman who basically
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Was obsessed with this guy so much to the point where i'm pretty sure i haven't finished the series yet
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But i'm pretty sure she committed suicide in order to frame him now
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I know there's some women that do deserve to be reprimanded for their actions. However
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Being pregnant and having that you don't know the reason how someone's got pregnant. You don't know their financial position
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Like you have to even in the example with the guy you don't know the reason why he wanted to throw the kid off the bridge
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Yeah, that's going to be some type of mental problem though, right?
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But i'm saying we all have reasons we commit crimes
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But if that was a crime like why would you not have a punishment?
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Yeah, some people commit crimes because of money some people commit crimes because of revenge some people commit crimes for madness
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It can't be compared to physically throwing a human being off of a balcony
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Maybe if it was illegal like it is a crime after there's a girl that's going to jail right now
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Overtaking the abortion pills too late, so it is a crime
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Sorry, go ahead. Um, well, you guys can interject too if you have anything go ahead. I was um
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You know about grapists, right? Yes, you know about they have
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It sounds freaking weird me saying grape someone. I'm sorry. It's not funny. Uh
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Is that true if he's convicted is convicted and if you look into it, there is a
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And then you have to you have to be did he go to jail for it?
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Yeah, that one that I read he got convicted. Okay, so his his mom i'm just surprised
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His mom oh his mom was like the one that said I want to be in the child's life
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And she won't and she was allowed to see the baby
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Now it's like you've heard it vice versa. We're a female teacher. Well, grape
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So so tell me but she can put the kid on child support and she yeah
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And the amount of the amount of disgusting disgusting
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That do it and they get nothing because they're a girl because it's a woman and it's like I don't know
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Ted like my old teacher my older teacher fancies me when it's a younger boy and an older woman, right?
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Everyone's like that's disgusting. Oh my gosh, like get him arrested
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These women are going into prison and then getting sent money daily from these weirdo guys
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Yeah, I like oh, I wish you was my teacher and sending the money and they're now like glorified
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Girls do the same. Oh, yeah, I know. I know they do
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Yeah, I know that it's it's a problem because it's but the grape is thing
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That's another reason why I think they should that's why that's one pushing me to one side
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It's like if you want to keep that child and and it's a child of grape
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I shouldn't have access to it. Exactly. She has to she has to then see this rapist for the rest of her life, right?
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It does sound though that that oh, that sounds really traumatic
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But it does sound that the solution to that though is a legal issue related to parental rights
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And the solution is not abortion in that situation
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It's not really abortion until i'm saying my point is that could be a problem that
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So I wasn't able to get an abortion and now i'm having to have this child with a grapeist
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Sure, yeah, no, I understand that would be a really difficult situation to be in
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Um, but again, it sounds well firstly it does sound like a better solution to tackle that is obviously reducing rape first of all
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Um, but even with the with the problem that you're raising again
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This sounds like a a problem that we need to tackle with with kind of rapist rights
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Mm-hmm um rather than then say abortion is a solution to that and you know in that situation
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I don't think it's a solution at all right, but I'm my point is just that
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There's a lot of these girls that talk about it have said they've not had access