JustPearlyThings - July 02, 2023


When ABORTION Becomes a CRIME


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10 minutes

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183.9237

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1,935

Sentence count

34

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Misogyny

18

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16

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Pro-choicers and pro-lifers discuss abortion, when it should be legalised and when it s ok to have kids after 6 months of pregnancy, and what should happen if a woman has a baby at 6 months.

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00:00:00.000 So I'm curious pro-choicers when I'm assuming you guys think life begins at conception. Yeah
00:00:07.080 Pro-choicers. When do you guys think life begins? How many weeks?
00:00:11.460 months
00:00:12.960 Should it abortion be legal up to birth three weeks a month like what's your starting here and then 0.90
00:00:19.860 Go ahead.
00:00:21.320 Sorry. Yeah, when should abortion be legalized? 0.99
00:00:26.040 Well to be fair
00:00:28.320 The laws at the moment isn't it like 12 weeks or something?
00:00:32.220 24 24
00:00:34.220 It's six months six months. Okay, I don't agree with that
00:00:37.900 But I'm sure that at some point was it 12 weeks
00:00:40.420 I don't know where I got that from but I'm sure at some 12 probably 12 weeks is trees
00:00:44.280 Yeah, it's not 12 weeks is is what you can get the pill up to is it the pill and then after that
00:00:51.460 Get the pill for longer beyond that. All right
00:00:53.520 No, it's it's the but it becomes more likely that you'll get a surgical the later on that you're getting it
00:00:58.900 Yeah, yeah, well, they're literally taking the mick with it right now. They've 0.84
00:01:05.380 They're talking about putting it up to
00:01:08.100 Like two months off or a month off
00:01:11.460 There was there was that's too much that need us that's murder to me
00:01:15.980 Yeah, that's too much. I wasn't aware of that because I don't know the stats
00:01:19.240 Well, some children have survived at less than six months at like five and a half. Yeah
00:01:25.140 Finish it these three months. I mean I should be like up to three months and after that
00:01:30.140 You don't want it just give it to adoption. There's lots of people that can't have kids after that. Just give birth give it to
00:01:35.000 Yeah, I mean at six months you're almost all the way there
00:01:38.440 When you're 12 weeks isn't that when you have like your first scan when I had my son
00:01:42.440 I have a nine-year-old so when I had my son you have your first gun when you're 12 weeks and then you have another one when you're 25 weeks
00:01:49.080 And that's when you find out the sex 1.00
00:01:51.640 I would say in my world
00:01:55.080 Depending on people's circumstances everyone's different, but when they have it if they if they do get pregnant
00:02:01.240 Then um, I would say up to
00:02:04.520 Maybe just before 12 weeks after 12 weeks because there must be a reason why you have your first scan at 12 weeks
00:02:10.360 I'm not sure exactly the scientific
00:02:12.680 Yeah
00:02:13.160 Stuff behind it, but there must be a reason why you don't see anything
00:02:16.680 But a heartbeat like if I go if there was complications or at one point I was like six weeks and I started spotting
00:02:23.880 Spotting is when you start seeing blood when you're pregnant
00:02:26.920 Um, then you would go and get an exam or when you go to get that exam because it's an early pregnancy scam 1.00
00:02:33.240 You can't even go and get a scan on your belly
00:02:35.800 They actually put like this special camera inside you because it's too small to see anything
00:02:40.600 so if your child is if
00:02:43.000 child
00:02:43.960 Embryo
00:02:45.640 Everyone has their different terms, but when um fetus is that small
00:02:50.040 I would say in my head it would sit right with me
00:02:52.040 I have a nephew that was premature and he was born at six months old and my nephew was tiny. He weighed about
00:03:00.280 The same
00:03:01.960 Weight as a bag of sugar literally he was tiny like that
00:03:06.200 He was like
00:03:08.200 You would agree that the six months at least yeah, like six months is too much for me because when my nephew was born
00:03:13.240 He was a baby like he was in an incubator
00:03:14.760 So I have a question for a woman that aborts a kid after six months. Should she face jail time? 1.00
00:03:21.880 um, no
00:03:23.480 That's see that's touchy
00:03:25.480 Obviously certain people go through certain traumatic experiences which would make them maybe angry
00:03:32.520 In in that sense, but I don't think a woman should go to jail for having an abortion 1.00
00:03:37.160 What if what if like um the mom has the kid and then the dad throws it off of a bridge should he go to jail
00:03:43.880 Pardon, sorry
00:03:45.000 If the dad if the if the woman has the kid at six months 0.97
00:03:48.440 And then the dad throws it off the bridge should he go to jail well, of course that's murder
00:03:54.840 Wouldn't it be the same thing though?
00:03:56.280 No, because when it's still it's still inside of the woman 0.93
00:04:00.360 It hasn't it's still inside of the woman
00:04:02.040 It's a part of the woman so the woman can still use the whole my body my choice when she's physically given birth 1.00
00:04:07.000 That is a human entity in its own
00:04:10.120 Yeah, breathing by itself doing everything by itself
00:04:12.440 So then if we're gonna go off of location then shouldn't you just legalize it up to nine months?
00:04:17.000 No, like the day before she gives birth she says no because I think
00:04:20.680 I hear what you're saying
00:04:21.560 However, I think that because due to the development and how a baby is developed
00:04:25.800 I think it's more humane
00:04:27.800 to do it when the
00:04:29.800 The fetus or whatever the terminology is hasn't fully developed into a child
00:04:35.800 Yeah, I still am pro choice
00:04:38.120 But I'm saying it's like there needs to be a certain stop to it. I'm I'm for it for three months
00:04:42.680 Or maybe four at a push
00:04:43.880 Yeah, but no, so my only question is i'm i'm just curious why there would not if you don't if you think it should be illegal at
00:04:49.720 Six right, which I think we would agree on right six months is too far along. Yeah, I'm just curious
00:04:54.920 You should not make that decision
00:04:55.960 It just seems like whenever there's a consequence for women 0.68
00:04:58.840 Like we always want to bail women out. No, no, no, not at all 1.00
00:05:01.640 So it's like when when there would be a legal consequence then we're like, oh, no, that's too far
00:05:06.040 No, no, no, I watched something yesterday on on prime and it was about a woman who basically
00:05:13.080 Was obsessed with this guy so much to the point where i'm pretty sure i haven't finished the series yet
00:05:17.960 But i'm pretty sure she committed suicide in order to frame him now
00:05:20.840 I know there's some women that do deserve to be reprimanded for their actions. However 1.00
00:05:26.200 Being pregnant and having that you don't know the reason how someone's got pregnant. You don't know their financial position 0.77
00:05:32.040 It could be rape as well 0.99
00:05:33.000 Like you have to even in the example with the guy you don't know the reason why he wanted to throw the kid off the bridge
00:05:37.800 Yeah, that's going to be some type of mental problem though, right?
00:05:40.520 Right, but i'm correct
00:05:41.320 But i'm saying we all have reasons we commit crimes
00:05:43.720 But if that was a crime like why would you not have a punishment?
00:05:46.120 Yeah, some people commit crimes because of money some people commit crimes because of revenge some people commit crimes for madness
00:05:52.200 We don't know. However, I think abortion is 0.73
00:05:54.760 It's not necessarily a crime
00:05:56.440 It can't be compared to physically throwing a human being off of a balcony
00:06:00.280 Maybe if it was illegal like it is a crime after there's a girl that's going to jail right now 1.00
00:06:04.920 Overtaking the abortion pills too late, so it is a crime
00:06:08.040 Sorry, go ahead. Um, well, you guys can interject too if you have anything go ahead. I was um
00:06:14.760 I was gonna say like the
00:06:17.720 the madness of
00:06:20.280 You know about grapists, right? Yes, you know about they have
00:06:25.080 actual
00:06:26.600 rights
00:06:27.880 over
00:06:29.480 So grapists 1.00
00:06:31.640 Grape someone
00:06:33.640 They get pregnant 0.99
00:06:35.640 They
00:06:36.680 The grapist and the grapist family 0.59
00:06:39.720 Have rights over the child
00:06:43.000 That they've just created through grape
00:06:46.200 It sounds freaking weird me saying grape someone. I'm sorry. It's not funny. Uh
00:06:51.160 Is that true if he's convicted is convicted and if you look into it, there is a
00:06:56.600 A family that ended up fighting for custody
00:07:02.280 of
00:07:02.760 Their son who raped this young girl
00:07:06.920 Over the the child
00:07:08.760 And they got visitation rights
00:07:11.320 And they got like
00:07:13.480 Excuse me like you have
00:07:16.440 They imagine just imagine how traumatized
00:07:19.320 You would be anyway
00:07:20.360 And then you have to you have to be did he go to jail for it?
00:07:27.000 That's
00:07:27.560 Yeah, that one that I read he got convicted. Okay, so his his mom i'm just surprised
00:07:33.640 His mom oh his mom was like the one that said I want to be in the child's life
00:07:38.360 And they said no as you would
00:07:41.560 And she won't and she was allowed to see the baby
00:07:44.840 Now it's like you've heard it vice versa. We're a female teacher. Well, grape 1.00
00:07:49.960 So so tell me but she can put the kid on child support and she yeah 1.00
00:07:56.040 And the amount of the amount of disgusting disgusting
00:08:00.840 Females right females 1.00
00:08:03.400 That do it and they get nothing because they're a girl because it's a woman and it's like I don't know 0.96
00:08:11.000 Yeah, it's very much a double standard
00:08:13.320 It's in in it in a in a in a cornographic way
00:08:17.240 It's like oh my
00:08:19.960 Ted like my old teacher my older teacher fancies me when it's a younger boy and an older woman, right?
00:08:26.120 But if you switch it and it there's uproar
00:08:29.320 Everyone's like that's disgusting. Oh my gosh, like get him arrested
00:08:33.800 These women are going into prison and then getting sent money daily from these weirdo guys 1.00
00:08:41.080 Yeah, I like oh, I wish you was my teacher and sending the money and they're now like glorified
00:08:47.720 Like it's like I mean girls do the ted bondy 1.00
00:08:50.840 Girls do the same. Oh, yeah, I know. I know they do 1.00
00:08:53.240 Yeah, I know that it's it's a problem because it's but the grape is thing
00:08:57.800 That's another reason why I think they should that's why that's one pushing me to one side
00:09:05.240 It's like if you want to keep that child and and it's a child of grape
00:09:11.640 cool
00:09:12.680 That's your
00:09:14.200 I shouldn't have access to it. Exactly. She has to she has to then see this rapist for the rest of her life, right? 1.00
00:09:20.280 Yeah, yeah
00:09:20.920 It does sound though that that oh, that sounds really traumatic
00:09:23.400 I definitely agree with that
00:09:25.160 But it does sound that the solution to that though is a legal issue related to parental rights
00:09:29.720 And the solution is not abortion in that situation
00:09:33.560 What would it be?
00:09:35.000 Well, it would it
00:09:37.000 It's not really abortion until i'm saying my point is that could be a problem that
00:09:44.840 I didn't have access
00:09:47.240 So I wasn't able to get an abortion and now i'm having to have this child with a grapeist 1.00
00:09:54.520 Sure, yeah, no, I understand that would be a really difficult situation to be in
00:09:58.440 Um, but again, it sounds well firstly it does sound like a better solution to tackle that is obviously reducing rape first of all
00:10:04.520 I accept that that will never be zero percent
00:10:07.560 Um, but even with the with the problem that you're raising again
00:10:10.280 This sounds like a a problem that we need to tackle with with kind of rapist rights
00:10:14.040 Mm-hmm um rather than then say abortion is a solution to that and you know in that situation
00:10:19.560 I don't think it's a solution at all right, but I'm my point is just that
00:10:24.600 There's a lot of these girls that talk about it have said they've not had access 0.95
00:10:29.240 I just