JustPearlyThings - April 15, 2023


When Women Work In Male Spaces

Topics
discrimination against men
Hosted by
Hannah Pearl Davis
Mentioned
Pearl Seneca Falls Liz Truss
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10 minutes

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2,548

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255

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Misogyny

27

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Toxicity

6

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7

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In this episode, I sit down with my best friend, Pearl, to talk about women in the workplace and how they feel about being the only female in a male-dominated workplace. We talk about what it's like to be a woman in a predominantly male workplace, what it means to be the only woman in the office, and how to deal with it.

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00:00:00.000 The first time this happened to me, I worked in a sales job and I was the only girl in the office.
00:00:05.600 And people would always help me with whatever I wanted, you know what I mean?
00:00:08.220 And all the guys around me would be like, oh, it's because you're a girl, it's because you're a girl.
00:00:12.200 And I was like, no, it's because I'm so bubbly and I work hard.
00:00:16.120 Yeah, okay.
00:00:17.400 Yeah, and then I found out it was, in fact, because I was a girl.
00:00:20.520 Because I feel like, not even in like a romantic way, but I think that men just have more of an inclination to like help women.
00:00:27.360 That's true, yeah. More fun than helping a guy.
00:00:29.540 What?
00:00:29.820 It's more fun than helping a guy.
00:00:31.140 Yeah.
00:00:31.780 Even if it's not like...
00:00:33.160 It also goes the other way, though, because then there's also a sense of not taking women as seriously as well.
00:00:38.720 So it flips, doesn't it?
00:00:40.020 I've never felt that was an issue, to be honest.
00:00:43.980 And I've worked in like predominantly male-dominated fields.
00:00:47.280 I think it's an advantage, not a disadvantage.
00:00:49.340 Yeah, but I think you've probably learned how to, you know, your powerfulness, you've learned how to...
00:00:53.800 I'm the same.
00:00:54.300 I will always circumnavigate whatever, you know, limitations to sight based on me.
00:00:59.100 As a black man, for instance, I don't care.
00:01:01.680 Yeah.
00:01:01.780 But some people don't learn that skill, so they actually internalize.
00:01:05.080 No, I think it's an excuse.
00:01:07.540 I think there's zero limitations as a woman.
00:01:09.640 Like zero.
00:01:10.400 None.
00:01:11.020 Unless it's like a strength thing.
00:01:12.200 I agree.
00:01:12.420 I'm not going to lie.
00:01:12.960 Yeah, I feel like the girls that whine about going to corporate and having a hard time, like I just think it's an excuse. 0.96
00:01:19.660 They're just big whiners. 1.00
00:01:21.060 I don't think so, Pearl.
00:01:22.180 I have to say there is, there is, listen, there's women do get treated by compassion. 1.00
00:01:28.520 People help them out.
00:01:29.440 But there is also the view of like, oh, a woman is weaker than a man.
00:01:32.580 And there's nothing wrong with that.
00:01:33.940 Like physically, a woman is weaker than a man. 1.00
00:01:37.320 But if a woman is trying to get some level of finances or authority, she will definitely get a backlash of like, you're a woman. 1.00
00:01:45.760 I disagree.
00:01:46.500 I think there's quotas for women. 1.00
00:01:48.580 I think women get put in positions they shouldn't be in all the time. 1.00
00:01:51.840 What do you mean?
00:01:52.640 Like, I feel like women get put in positions they're actually not qualified for and they're not the best person for the job because of quotas and diversity hires. 0.60
00:01:59.660 Yeah, some.
00:02:00.300 Some, 100%.
00:02:01.260 That's for sure.
00:02:02.360 That does happen.
00:02:03.200 That's for sure.
00:02:03.700 But there are times I think where women or people of color do have to prove themselves more in order to be taken seriously.
00:02:09.760 No, I just think as for women, in my experience, I don't think there's any disadvantage.
00:02:15.380 And most of the girls I know that complain about it are just kind of lazy, to be honest. 1.00
00:02:19.220 I don't agree with you, Pearl.
00:02:20.120 I get you, but I don't agree with you, given that I'm with my partner and sometimes I go for what he's going for.
00:02:25.980 I put my hands up.
00:02:27.000 I don't speak as perfect English and I'm not intelligent as much as he is.
00:02:30.880 But there's a lot of positions that he gets picked when I don't.
00:02:34.480 Maybe he's just better.
00:02:36.220 He is, unfortunately.
00:02:37.420 Yes, that's right.
00:02:38.140 But there's sometimes when they give him chances, but give me a chance to just prove that I'm better or maybe I'm equal in some.
00:02:46.260 There is a lot of places that I'm quite equal.
00:02:48.980 But I feel like it's like a mindset thing.
00:02:51.240 Like if I get passed up for a job with a dude, like I'm not going to think it's because of my gender.
00:02:55.580 I'm going to think it's because I'm not good enough.
00:02:57.600 Yeah, but that's what I mean.
00:02:58.260 There's two different things at play.
00:02:59.500 One, there is a disadvantage for some people in society, whether it's based on your race, whatever it might be.
00:03:04.740 Even height, they've showed studies about that.
00:03:06.820 But I think the second thing is, who are you in the face of that?
00:03:10.360 And that's what you're alluding to.
00:03:11.440 Yeah.
00:03:11.520 So I don't care.
00:03:12.560 There are times, of course.
00:03:13.600 I mean, I've grown up as a young black boy.
00:03:15.340 How many times I got stopped by police?
00:03:16.520 Of course.
00:03:16.980 Statistically, I knew there was more.
00:03:18.080 I have friends that would walk around with whatever in their pockets.
00:03:20.440 They never get stopped, as I do.
00:03:21.600 I get it.
00:03:22.120 It's a reality.
00:03:22.920 But my thing is, who are you going to be in the face of it?
00:03:25.520 That's the difference.
00:03:26.520 So I recognize that society does treat different people differently.
00:03:30.180 That's just true.
00:03:31.540 But my thing is, I don't do the victim thing because of it.
00:03:33.800 And I think that's what you're talking about.
00:03:34.720 You're not a victim.
00:03:35.960 In fact, I actually turn it on his head.
00:03:37.480 Because it happens, I'm going to go even harder.
00:03:39.500 That's it. 0.91
00:03:39.880 You know, I was brought up, told you, you're black, you're going to have to work three times as hard. 0.63
00:03:42.240 And so I did.
00:03:43.200 I'm not going to complain.
00:03:44.100 No, why do I have to work three times as hard?
00:03:45.700 No, I'm bloody what I'll do.
00:03:46.720 And I will.
00:03:47.720 And it's given me an advantage.
00:03:49.460 Disadvantage gives you an advantage.
00:03:51.120 That's it.
00:03:51.360 You see it with rappers and that.
00:03:52.520 They're hungry because of where they come from.
00:03:54.200 That's it.
00:03:54.420 They mean it when they say, get rich or die trying.
00:03:56.600 So there are discrimination against them, but it makes them, what I don't like is victim culture.
00:04:00.420 But I just, I think that society openly discriminates against men way more than women.
00:04:05.400 And I think if that wasn't the case, like there wouldn't be quotas in these jobs.
00:04:09.860 Yeah.
00:04:10.120 Like I think people want women in leadership positions because in a lot of companies they have diversity hires.
00:04:15.480 True.
00:04:15.700 But that's quite a recent thing, I would say.
00:04:17.780 Probably isn't it in the last generation or so.
00:04:19.300 I mean, it's been implemented since like the 60s, at least in the US since the 60s and 70s.
00:04:23.300 Yeah, last generation or two.
00:04:24.180 Yeah, but that's, I mean, I'm 26.
00:04:26.540 So that's two of my lifetimes.
00:04:28.820 That's quite a long time to me.
00:04:31.280 It's the pendulum thing, isn't it?
00:04:32.600 I think it's strong too far now.
00:04:34.380 It's just, I was like, let's get someone diverse in there.
00:04:36.500 Even though they're not, I mean, I think of our, bad that I say it, but our chancellor, that caused an absolute nightmare.
00:04:41.820 I wonder if he was thrust in that position.
00:04:43.600 Next thing you know, he had the most terrible, him and the prime minister, Liz Truss.
00:04:47.320 You know, that's an example, I think, where people just put into position because of those reasons.
00:04:51.040 I think when you say the pendulum swinging, I actually don't really see it like women were discriminated against, like ever. 0.70
00:04:57.400 Because I just think that we had different roles.
00:04:59.380 Like we could say that men were discriminated against because they had to go to war.
00:05:02.880 We didn't have to go to war.
00:05:03.800 Like I just think society was set up differently.
00:05:05.900 I don't think it's discrimination in that sense.
00:05:07.200 I mean, give an example.
00:05:08.060 For instance, right?
00:05:09.240 If it wasn't for the fact that men went to war, women would never have been allowed in these industrial jobs. 1.00
00:05:13.880 It's not discrimination.
00:05:14.580 It's just a limitation based on an assumption of you're a woman.
00:05:17.740 You can't do it. 0.99
00:05:18.920 You know, or you're black. 1.00
00:05:20.280 You can't do it. 0.99
00:05:21.160 Well, I mean, I think when it comes to war, like we can't.
00:05:24.440 No, but women did. 1.00
00:05:25.140 Women did fill the positions that men left behind. 1.00
00:05:27.240 No, I was talking about war.
00:05:28.700 Oh, actual going out and fighting.
00:05:29.800 I mean, me and you could fight.
00:05:31.620 Even if I'm the strongest woman, you're going to win.
00:05:34.600 Physically, yeah.
00:05:35.240 But I mean, there are some female soldiers out there that run rings around some men. 1.00
00:05:39.260 I mean, if women were doing so well in the military, they wouldn't continually lower the requirements for them to. 1.00
00:05:43.900 The bar, yeah, true, yeah.
00:05:45.260 It's true.
00:05:45.980 Like they literally had to lower the requirement for us to become a SEAL.
00:05:49.260 I think when it's physically like that, but definitely in society, there have been instances where people have not been given a chance because of an assumption about what they were capable of.
00:05:57.680 And when they were given that chance, you could see that they excelled.
00:06:00.780 I mean, there was a time the NBA wasn't full of black players.
00:06:03.600 You know, there were times, for instance, we've got a friend who's a black football agent.
00:06:07.580 There was a time that was unheard of.
00:06:09.200 There was a time when women weren't seen able to run a football club. 1.00
00:06:12.100 Yeah, and I'm just talking about gender, though.
00:06:14.540 So what I was talking about was when I just don't think women were ever really discriminated against.
00:06:19.700 I think society was different.
00:06:23.300 I don't know.
00:06:23.820 I think that is.
00:06:24.600 Do you find discrimination?
00:06:26.860 What's the definition of discrimination?
00:06:28.620 Well, like earning differentials, right?
00:06:30.320 Even in the modern day.
00:06:31.160 Just treated differently because of their gender, isn't it, really?
00:06:34.040 Well, I come from a culture when it's the opposite to the West right now.
00:06:38.720 Women do get abused. 1.00
00:06:40.180 I was about to say that.
00:06:40.940 And these are the people that I know personally.
00:06:43.340 The man will cheat.
00:06:44.440 She can't say any word and she will get hit.
00:06:46.920 And there's no one who's going to stand for her.
00:06:48.540 She goes to play with her parents and they're like, shush, stay in that marriage. 0.97
00:06:51.740 You've got kids and you're not coming back to us.
00:06:54.340 And that's the rule.
00:06:55.240 I'm talking about in the West.
00:06:56.780 I don't know what.
00:06:57.280 But that's what I'm saying.
00:06:57.940 We could do different countries.
00:06:59.580 But that's when he says it's been shifted, right?
00:07:03.140 So there's a lot of women right happened because of that. 1.00
00:07:06.200 Because that was like 100 years ago here.
00:07:09.380 So the women stood and raised their voice. 0.99
00:07:11.540 But it became quite toxic right now.
00:07:13.520 And I think what's really missing is balance.
00:07:16.020 Yeah, that's why I said it.
00:07:16.980 But there definitely was a time when women were discriminated against. 1.00
00:07:19.360 If it's happening.
00:07:20.360 And it wasn't just along gender lines.
00:07:22.260 It was on class lines.
00:07:23.000 There was a time, for instance, where working class guys couldn't vote.
00:07:25.540 So there's always been a sense where power's been concentrated in the hands of whatever privilege it was.
00:07:30.840 And the other had to fight for that.
00:07:32.840 Oh, they can actually do it.
00:07:33.920 But that's my point.
00:07:34.420 It was about roles and responsibilities.
00:07:37.880 It wasn't just open discrimination.
00:07:39.840 I mean, it was, but it wasn't.
00:07:41.420 Like, for example, they always talk about how women couldn't vote.
00:07:44.440 But the majority of women didn't want to vote. 1.00
00:07:46.680 Like, if they asked them, they polled them.
00:07:48.400 And the majority of women didn't want to vote because it came with being drafted. 1.00
00:07:52.200 And so it's not really discrimination.
00:07:54.220 It's roles and responsibilities where the men were responsible for protecting, where the women were responsible for staying at home. 0.97
00:08:00.520 But before women got their suffrage, wasn't it the case that men who were fighting also didn't have a chance to vote?
00:08:06.420 The majority of people didn't have the chance to vote.
00:08:08.580 I don't remember exactly how it was structured.
00:08:10.720 It's been a bit since I've looked at it.
00:08:12.980 But, like, I actually, because there was always this narrative that, like, women were oppressed and put down.
00:08:16.880 And that's always what I thought until I found out, I started researching the anti-suffragists or whatever they were called.
00:08:23.020 And they were basically, like, women that were against women voting. 0.98
00:08:27.080 And I was like, why on earth would women not want the right to vote? 0.99
00:08:29.920 And it turned out it was because it came with the responsibility.
00:08:33.040 Because when you think about it, you're voting, at least in the U.S., for the commander in chief.
00:08:36.720 So that's the person that's in charge of the army.
00:08:38.420 So it kind of makes sense for you to have some skin in the game.
00:08:41.220 But you don't think that historically women weren't discriminated against? 1.00
00:08:44.340 And, you know, look at, forget, like, even war, but you say women authors had to come out as men in order to be taken seriously.
00:08:50.560 Women photographers had to pretend they were men in order to be taken seriously. 1.00
00:08:53.560 There have been time and time again instances in society where women had to pretend to be men in order to be taken seriously.
00:08:59.240 I mean, same with the first female doctor, I believe it was in France.
00:09:02.980 I think if you had to pick women, by and large, being discriminated against and men, by and large, being discriminated against, I would say men were discriminated against more.
00:09:11.660 Yeah, but so you're comparing men and women.
00:09:13.680 I'm just, because then it becomes, ah, men have had it worse than women and it becomes this battle.
00:09:17.820 I'm talking just purely in terms of, you know, women have been discriminated against and so have men.
00:09:22.080 Has there ever been discrimination ever?
00:09:23.960 Sure, sure, but do I, do I think it's like this narrative that by and large, like, women had such a horrible life and were oppressed and all of this stuff?
00:09:30.860 Yeah, no, I agree with you.
00:09:32.400 I think that's been fanned by certain elements of third wave and fourth and fifth waves of feminism. 1.00
00:09:36.920 That's true.
00:09:37.740 But definitely, historically, women have definitely been discriminated against and so have many men.
00:09:41.940 I really think that feminism, it's all the same wave. 0.99
00:09:44.420 I think it is and always has been a hate group.
00:09:47.440 Always, yeah.
00:09:48.520 Oh, you are.
00:09:48.860 Because it started in 1888 in Seneca Falls, New York.
00:09:51.440 And the first anti-suffragists, they planned assassinations.
00:09:55.820 Yeah, true.
00:09:56.540 People don't realize that.
00:09:57.380 Yeah, people, like, they weren't this, like, peaceful group that people think about.
00:10:01.660 So, yeah, I think it's always been the same movement, which is freedom.
00:10:04.580 We want the freedom without the responsibility.
00:10:06.280 And it started with the right to vote because they wanted the freedom of voting without the responsibility of having any skin in the game.
00:10:10.920 And I think it always started with wanting to destruct the family because if you look at the anti-suffragists, which, like, if you look at their writings about why they didn't want to vote, they would talk about how this was the beginning of the destruction of the family because before then you trusted your husband.
00:10:26.580 You trusted his leadership.
00:10:27.520 And so, they were right.
00:10:30.140 It was the beginning of the destruction of the family because the policies that feminism has placed and caused has eroded the family in the West. 1.00
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