JustPearlyThings - November 04, 2023


Why Are Women Praised For Doing The Wrong Thing？


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10 minutes

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2,073

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184

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51

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In this episode, we discuss the new single "Broke" by Chance The Rapper. We also discuss why only women glorify the wrong things in pop culture, and why men don't do the same.

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00:00:00.000 What if a guy made a song about being broke?
00:00:04.000 My mum told me to get a job.
00:00:07.380 It would be really not very masculine, would it?
00:00:11.920 They've got another one.
00:00:13.800 What?
00:00:14.300 Your worst one.
00:00:15.580 What?
00:00:16.000 I was gonna...
00:00:17.220 Then I got...
00:00:18.980 I was gonna...
00:00:20.280 Yeah, come on. 0.77
00:00:21.980 Oh, yeah.
00:00:23.400 Just thought I'd say...
00:00:25.240 Can I just say what I thought about the song?
00:00:27.460 I just, I feel like it was a really mixed perception.
00:00:31.980 I didn't know what to take from it.
00:00:33.780 In the beginning, I was kind of confused.
00:00:36.280 Then as it went in further, I was thinking,
00:00:39.340 all right, maybe this is to teach all the other little girls 1.00
00:00:42.120 that it's okay to be bigger.
00:00:44.200 Maybe.
00:00:45.360 Then as it went further, it says she was unhappy.
00:00:48.640 Then she was happy,
00:00:50.200 because she's in front of the camera in bra and knicker.
00:00:54.240 I was very confused.
00:00:55.460 So I wouldn't even be able to say
00:00:58.040 whether I liked it or not.
00:00:59.240 I did like the music side of it,
00:01:01.120 but in terms of lyrically...
00:01:03.080 Mixed signals.
00:01:03.880 It was mixed signals all over, yeah.
00:01:05.840 But why do women celebrate the wrong decisions? 1.00
00:01:09.740 Do you know what I mean?
00:01:10.300 Like, okay, a guy,
00:01:11.620 if he's a drug dealer or criminal,
00:01:14.520 he doesn't celebrate it.
00:01:16.000 Oh, it's a good thing.
00:01:16.920 They glamorize it a lot, they do.
00:01:20.360 Yeah, they do.
00:01:20.760 What?
00:01:21.160 They do.
00:01:21.700 You know what?
00:01:22.300 I'm gonna take that back.
00:01:23.480 I forget about that.
00:01:28.600 I don't really listen to it.
00:01:30.140 I don't listen to it.
00:01:31.200 It's like rap music.
00:01:32.720 Yeah, I don't really listen to that.
00:01:34.540 Yeah, but they glamorize it,
00:01:36.880 but it's still generally frowned upon by most men.
00:01:41.680 That's the thing.
00:01:42.060 You're not gonna see men just come around,
00:01:44.080 especially men that are doing things in life.
00:01:45.700 I'm not just gonna come and say,
00:01:46.940 yeah, we want to be like that guy.
00:01:48.980 Yeah, that makes sense.
00:01:49.980 Yeah, he's a drug dealer.
00:01:51.220 Yeah, that's the life we should live.
00:01:52.680 Or you typically,
00:01:54.460 the men that push that on young kids,
00:01:56.840 those are like,
00:01:57.780 you wouldn't see a responsible man,
00:02:00.880 even if he does drugs as a side hustle,
00:02:03.680 you wouldn't see him come out on TV
00:02:05.000 and try to tell young kids,
00:02:06.220 this is what you should do.
00:02:07.400 Yeah.
00:02:08.260 But that's what I meant.
00:02:09.360 That lady was very confusing. 1.00
00:02:12.040 Do you not think?
00:02:13.620 What did you take from that?
00:02:15.800 Eat more, eat less.
00:02:17.000 Well, my thing is like,
00:02:18.880 I just don't know.
00:02:19.960 You know, everyone's got struggles in life.
00:02:21.940 So like, that's her struggle, fine.
00:02:24.180 Yeah.
00:02:24.360 But I just don't know,
00:02:25.060 why do we celebrate the wrong?
00:02:27.700 Like, it's clearly better to be in shape.
00:02:29.660 It's clearly better to be healthy.
00:02:31.200 That's clearly the better way to go.
00:02:33.280 Why do women celebrate the wrong thing? 1.00
00:02:36.400 But I don't think it's just women. 1.00
00:02:37.580 Like, where did this whole thing
00:02:39.320 about just women glorifying something? 0.99
00:02:41.420 Because I think, if anything,
00:02:44.040 men do the same thing.
00:02:45.640 Just going back to the reference
00:02:47.340 that you just gave about drug dealers
00:02:48.980 or whatever,
00:02:50.060 that's the whole popular culture right now.
00:02:52.680 Everybody loves rap music.
00:02:53.820 Everybody is mimicking rappers,
00:02:55.600 talking about things they don't know
00:02:57.060 what the rappers are talking about.
00:02:58.820 That's literally the wave.
00:03:00.360 So I'm not going to agree with you
00:03:02.280 on the fact that only women glorify.
00:03:04.040 I mean, even this whole idea
00:03:05.480 of threesomes and monogamy and whatever,
00:03:07.220 it's glorified.
00:03:08.740 It's like one of the reasons
00:03:09.880 that people don't want to be
00:03:10.840 in traditional relationships
00:03:12.260 because it's in the music,
00:03:14.140 it's on TV,
00:03:15.180 and who's the decision makers
00:03:17.520 behind these things being put out,
00:03:19.460 et cetera, et cetera?
00:03:20.100 It's men.
00:03:20.820 Women. 0.81
00:03:21.940 Women, they do it for the audience. 1.00
00:03:23.400 Well, women, women, 1.00
00:03:24.580 no, you're from Atlanta.
00:03:26.000 That's like especially like,
00:03:27.460 no, women make 80, 0.99
00:03:28.320 because there's a lot of
00:03:29.020 high earning women in Atlanta. 0.95
00:03:30.380 No, I understand that.
00:03:30.980 Yeah, so women make 80% 1.00
00:03:33.220 of consumer buying decisions.
00:03:34.640 So the stuff you see in the music,
00:03:36.040 the stuff you see on TV,
00:03:36.960 it's catered to women. 1.00
00:03:38.180 I'm talking about the people
00:03:39.840 that are signing off
00:03:41.500 on putting it out,
00:03:42.540 the people that are accepting
00:03:44.580 that this is being glorified,
00:03:46.300 this is what we're going to
00:03:47.580 accept money in exchange for,
00:03:49.780 is men, generally older white men
00:03:52.620 who have nothing to do with
00:03:54.180 whatever is even being put out.
00:03:56.240 But you just hit the nail on the head.
00:03:57.840 It's men making the smart decisions
00:03:59.180 of how to make money.
00:04:00.020 How do you make money?
00:04:00.900 Well, you pick the best of the audience.
00:04:01.540 I'm sure that girl made money 1.00
00:04:02.600 because we just sat here
00:04:03.300 and watched her video.
00:04:04.160 You just said about
00:04:05.160 the general culture
00:04:06.060 and who's putting the things out there.
00:04:07.320 I think you're hinting towards
00:04:08.300 the fact that the media
00:04:09.040 and the music is all owned
00:04:09.940 by the same people.
00:04:11.160 And you just mentioned
00:04:12.020 that the typical,
00:04:12.920 well, you know,
00:04:13.480 that's all middle-aged white men.
00:04:15.060 Fine.
00:04:15.540 But the point is,
00:04:16.380 is that they must be smart men
00:04:18.040 because they're making bloody money.
00:04:19.460 Yeah, but that wasn't the question.
00:04:20.540 The question was,
00:04:21.220 why do women more so glorify 1.00
00:04:23.380 doing bad things versus men?
00:04:25.340 Why do you think it is
00:04:26.220 that that stuff sells more
00:04:28.420 when women make up 95% 0.99
00:04:30.720 of the consumer market?
00:04:31.800 I think it's because
00:04:32.400 we have a follower culture.
00:04:33.780 So men see these other men 0.97
00:04:35.800 getting money,
00:04:36.480 looking flashy,
00:04:37.120 looking good,
00:04:38.200 taking care of their bodies,
00:04:39.520 building their bodies,
00:04:40.360 et cetera,
00:04:40.720 whatever it is.
00:04:41.680 And they want to do the same thing.
00:04:43.320 They want to flex.
00:04:44.360 They want to look a certain way.
00:04:45.620 They want to get a certain type of woman 1.00
00:04:46.880 because of other men.
00:04:48.200 But wait,
00:04:48.420 do you see what you just said there?
00:04:49.880 All of those are good things.
00:04:51.380 Minus the drug part.
00:04:52.580 Minus the drug part.
00:04:53.260 You just said they want to get,
00:04:54.300 like they want to make money.
00:04:55.340 Good thing.
00:04:55.900 They want to be in shape.
00:04:56.820 Good thing.
00:04:57.340 They want to attract women.
00:04:58.400 Good thing.
00:04:59.060 But the women that are celebrated
00:05:01.380 tend to be like,
00:05:02.700 I think of who has gotten more
00:05:04.060 of an audience than Taylor Swift.
00:05:06.520 She's a 30 something year old spinster 1.00
00:05:08.540 who makes an album
00:05:09.960 about every single relationship
00:05:12.060 that's gone wrong.
00:05:13.440 Those are the women we celebrate, 1.00
00:05:15.460 you know,
00:05:15.660 and then I can think of like
00:05:16.540 Nicki Minaj,
00:05:17.620 right?
00:05:17.960 You know,
00:05:18.240 I just saw a video of her.
00:05:19.600 Y'all don't want to hear a woman 1.00
00:05:19.920 saying nothing positive
00:05:20.880 or saying something good.
00:05:22.040 Like even if we're going to go back
00:05:23.520 to the fact conversation.
00:05:24.400 Nicki Minaj literally has lyrics
00:05:26.800 that says you a stupid hoe, 1.00
00:05:28.100 you a stupid hoe, 1.00
00:05:28.980 you a stupid hoe. 1.00
00:05:34.900 That's silly.
00:05:36.380 That's silly.
00:05:37.900 So, okay,
00:05:38.700 why do we have a slut walk? 1.00
00:05:41.020 Oh my God.
00:05:41.680 The same reason that we have
00:05:42.920 everything else.
00:05:43.660 I've seen something in London
00:05:44.880 where it's a bunch of grown men
00:05:46.100 riding around bicycle butt naked.
00:05:48.020 No, okay.
00:05:48.460 Why do we have a slut walk? 1.00
00:05:53.940 Why do we have that?
00:05:54.640 So that women can take their power back 1.00
00:05:56.800 and feel like,
00:05:57.560 okay,
00:05:57.680 they can accept it.
00:05:58.460 But that is just because
00:05:59.500 I'm saying this doesn't mean
00:06:00.560 that I'm necessarily agreeing
00:06:01.680 with a slut walk. 1.00
00:06:02.660 Why would women want 1.00
00:06:04.460 to encourage that?
00:06:06.440 Because we have things
00:06:07.600 like Roe v. 0.58
00:06:08.200 Wade going on
00:06:08.880 where women are not 0.99
00:06:09.660 in control of their bodies.
00:06:10.840 So I'm going to assume that,
00:06:12.160 you know.
00:06:13.260 Is abortion generally
00:06:14.440 a good thing?
00:06:15.420 I don't know.
00:06:16.560 That's depending on yourself
00:06:17.480 and your situation.
00:06:18.120 Okay, okay.
00:06:18.920 Why do women encourage it? 1.00
00:06:20.980 Because it should be your choice
00:06:22.460 what you're going to do.
00:06:23.340 But you just made it an issue
00:06:24.460 of being in control
00:06:25.300 of your body, right?
00:06:26.520 No, I did not.
00:06:27.180 She asked me why is there a slut walk? 1.00
00:06:28.000 No, you said that
00:06:28.960 with regards to Roe v. Wade,
00:06:30.660 that's an issue
00:06:31.120 that's going on right now
00:06:31.960 where women don't have control 1.00
00:06:33.040 over their bodies.
00:06:33.680 Yeah, somebody's making a law
00:06:35.240 that if somebody
00:06:37.000 can get pregnant physically
00:06:38.420 that I have no choice
00:06:40.160 in whether I have to
00:06:40.960 carry this baby's term
00:06:42.380 and push it out
00:06:43.080 and raise it,
00:06:44.060 that's not control.
00:06:45.420 If somebody else
00:06:45.960 has a decision in that.
00:06:46.700 But if women 1.00
00:06:47.280 It's a separate human being.
00:06:49.000 Okay, but I'm not giving you
00:06:50.200 my opinion on abortion at all.
00:06:51.820 But the point is
00:06:52.660 is that you said
00:06:53.200 it's about women 1.00
00:06:53.740 having control over their bodies.
00:06:55.000 Do women not have the option 1.00
00:06:56.020 to say maybe I'm not
00:06:57.580 going to have sex 0.82
00:06:58.040 with a man
00:06:58.360 that I don't want
00:06:58.880 to have children with?
00:06:59.760 Some women get raped. 1.00
00:07:01.360 The exception to the rule.
00:07:02.380 To say that exception,
00:07:03.520 exception.
00:07:03.720 1% of abortions
00:07:05.060 are because of rape.
00:07:06.460 Okay, well I'm not
00:07:07.280 personally going to have
00:07:08.080 the abortion argument
00:07:08.940 because that was not
00:07:09.680 my intention of bringing up
00:07:10.820 Roe v. Wade.
00:07:11.360 I'm just giving the example
00:07:12.200 of the slut walk 1.00
00:07:13.680 being a reason
00:07:14.460 that women are... 1.00
00:07:15.540 But why do women 1.00
00:07:16.360 fight so hard
00:07:17.520 for the wrong decisions?
00:07:18.660 Because men have been in control 1.00
00:07:19.120 of every decision
00:07:20.160 for the existence of eternity.
00:07:21.820 How have men
00:07:22.740 been in control
00:07:23.420 when men were the ones 0.99
00:07:24.700 that typically
00:07:25.260 had to fight in wars?
00:07:27.240 Women did not have 1.00
00:07:28.040 to fight in wars.
00:07:30.120 I don't understand
00:07:30.920 that question.
00:07:31.520 Okay, in order to live,
00:07:33.200 in order to survive
00:07:34.180 as a species, right?
00:07:35.620 You need to protect society.
00:07:37.940 Women have never 1.00
00:07:39.000 had to do that.
00:07:40.580 Never.
00:07:41.280 Okay.
00:07:41.580 So, how were men
00:07:43.680 in control?
00:07:44.520 The average man
00:07:45.340 is in...
00:07:45.760 How is he in control
00:07:46.600 when they're the ones
00:07:47.480 that have to sacrifice
00:07:48.320 their body,
00:07:49.860 their life,
00:07:50.840 for the country?
00:07:51.960 Because they decided
00:07:52.820 that we're the only people
00:07:53.920 that are strong enough.
00:07:54.560 Who decided?
00:07:55.880 Men.
00:07:56.500 Who?
00:07:57.320 The men that decided
00:07:58.380 to go to war.
00:07:58.820 What percent?
00:08:00.880 Biology.
00:08:01.640 Wait, guys, guys, guys.
00:08:03.420 What?
00:08:04.480 No, no.
00:08:04.840 So, I'm just thinking...
00:08:05.940 Okay, so,
00:08:06.480 biology decides that.
00:08:07.380 Why do women go to war today? 1.00
00:08:08.320 So, I want to,
00:08:08.860 I want to,
00:08:09.220 I want to...
00:08:09.820 Because women kicked off 1.00
00:08:11.000 the foxes.
00:08:11.680 Okay, wait, wait,
00:08:12.480 guys, guys,
00:08:13.000 wait, wait, wait, wait,
00:08:13.680 wait, wait, wait, wait.
00:08:14.280 So, you're not,
00:08:15.040 you're just not correct.
00:08:16.440 So, women, 1.00
00:08:17.280 wait, wait, wait, wait,
00:08:18.100 wait, wait, wait,
00:08:18.820 wait, listen, listen,
00:08:19.760 listen, wait.
00:08:20.520 And they teach you
00:08:21.740 history wrong.
00:08:22.920 It's not correct.
00:08:23.840 If you actually read
00:08:24.600 historical accounts
00:08:25.560 at the time,
00:08:26.320 they rewrite history.
00:08:27.780 So, one thing
00:08:29.060 people think
00:08:29.920 is they think
00:08:30.860 that men are the ones
00:08:31.700 that started all these wars.
00:08:33.640 When really,
00:08:34.340 they've taken...
00:08:35.420 Wait, wait,
00:08:35.960 you just did, right?
00:08:37.300 No, you did.
00:08:37.760 But, no, you did
00:08:38.780 because you said
00:08:39.280 men are starting
00:08:39.960 all of these wars.
00:08:41.140 No, I didn't say
00:08:41.800 bring up war.
00:08:42.420 But you said
00:08:43.320 that's the reason
00:08:43.980 they have to defend
00:08:44.900 the country
00:08:45.480 because the men
00:08:46.240 were starting these wars.
00:08:47.420 No, that's not what I said.
00:08:48.380 I said they started
00:08:49.420 the decision
00:08:50.180 that the only men
00:08:51.240 are going to go to war.
00:08:52.220 Okay, okay, okay.
00:08:52.760 Which is what you brought up.
00:08:53.480 Okay, okay, wait, wait.
00:08:55.120 So, I'm saying
00:08:55.500 in the last 500 years,
00:08:57.040 they took the men
00:08:57.900 that were in power
00:08:58.640 and the women 1.00
00:08:59.160 that were in power.
00:09:00.440 Women are more likely 1.00
00:09:01.380 to wage war
00:09:02.140 than men.
00:09:03.980 So, this wasn't
00:09:05.280 just the men's decision.
00:09:06.480 There were women rulers 1.00
00:09:07.540 and they were more likely
00:09:09.000 to wage war.
00:09:09.100 I understand that completely
00:09:09.860 but that was not
00:09:10.580 the predictor
00:09:12.180 of our conversation.
00:09:12.800 So, my point
00:09:13.600 is in all of history,
00:09:15.120 there was choices
00:09:15.740 and trade-offs, right?
00:09:17.040 And it wasn't,
00:09:18.160 most men
00:09:18.700 had very little power.
00:09:20.060 Most people
00:09:20.700 had very little power.
00:09:22.020 So, this idea
00:09:22.860 that most men
00:09:23.960 somehow oppressed women, 0.98
00:09:25.580 it's just not true.
00:09:26.920 Women had much more privilege 1.00
00:09:28.400 in a lot of ways
00:09:29.440 than men.
00:09:30.520 Much more.
00:09:31.220 You know,
00:09:31.860 even in all of,
00:09:33.100 in the last thousand years,
00:09:34.300 if a woman committed a crime,
00:09:35.620 she was not likely
00:09:36.440 to get the same punishment
00:09:37.540 as a guy.
00:09:38.640 There was,
00:09:39.500 there's been writings
00:09:40.480 for like,
00:09:40.960 that are 200 years old
00:09:42.320 of men complaining
00:09:43.420 about how unfair
00:09:44.640 the court system is
00:09:45.700 and how women 0.99
00:09:46.180 just get off
00:09:46.900 in the,
00:09:47.200 in the West.
00:09:48.500 In the West.
00:09:49.280 I'm telling you.
00:09:49.700 In the West.
00:09:50.100 In the West.
00:09:50.780 Well, in the West,
00:09:51.960 yes.
00:09:52.080 In the West.
00:09:53.600 We're in the West,
00:09:54.560 right?
00:09:55.120 So, we just say
00:09:55.760 in the West,
00:09:56.400 in the world.
00:09:56.920 Well, the 500 years
00:09:58.720 was actually in the world,
00:09:59.980 which kind of makes sense
00:10:01.020 because I don't think
00:10:01.660 women understand violence 1.00
00:10:02.780 the same way men 0.85
00:10:03.580 understand violence.