You Won't Believe What This Modern Man Said
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In this episode, we talk about Hoflation, the theory that modern men have to work five times harder than their grandfathers did, for women, 20 times worse than what their grandmothers were. Do you think this is true or not?
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Hoflation, yes. So does anyone know what hoflation is? No? You've never heard of
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this topic? Okay. So this is something that has been going around online that
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the men have been saying. Modern men have to work five times harder than their
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grandfathers did, for women 20 times worse than what their grandmothers were.
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It's called hoflation. Do you guys think that's true? No. No?
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An extraordinary idea. Worse in what way? Better in what way? I would say worse in
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that we offer less kids, we're more promiscuous, we're fatter, and I would
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just say in general most people, like a third of us didn't grow up in two-parent
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homes, so a lot of us weren't trained or like told how to be a wife. Oh, okay.
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Well, I don't think being promiscuous makes you necessarily worse, and I think
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probably fewer children is a good idea. Oh, less kids is good. I think so,
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because the world's imploding. The world's, what about like the replacement
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birthrate? Yeah, well again, I think less is definitely better than more. Okay, who
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would fill the jobs? Oh, there's enough of us for that, I'm sure. AI as well also, of course.
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Oh, okay. The robots will do it. Okay, but what about like building the buildings? Oh, running the
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infrastructure? You know, 45% of men are in infrastructure jobs, so. Okay, I'm sure
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robots will help with that. Okay, robots. All right. So, F them kids. Yeah, all right,
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all right. Yeah, there's too many. All right, all right. What about you? Do you think that's true?
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Uh, repeat again, because I'm not gonna lie. Okay, it's all right. I got you, I got you. Modern
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men have to work five times harder than their grandfathers did, for women 20 times worse than
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what their grandmothers were. Yeah, I just don't, I don't, what even is that? Like how? Okay, what do,
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what do men want? They want a woman that supports them. Okay, do you think women today are more
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supportive than our grandmothers? To be honest, I don't know whose grandma was what back in the day.
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Okay, what about, what about, what about your grandma? I know that it all depends on the person
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that you are. I mean, there's a lot of people that I'm gonna make one caveat for the show. I'm sorry
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to cut you. I'm gonna let you finish. I'm gonna say no, it depends. I'm banning. It depends. I'm
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banned it. Like we have to pick a side just so we can. This is a conversation in general, not for
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everyone. So we're just talking about the average man, average woman, but sorry, go ahead. Okay, well,
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um, now I've been thrown off. I'm just thinking of a bit more of a, so you said support. You said
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support, like men want support and I agree with you. Yeah. Do you think women today are more
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supportive than our grandmothers? Some of them ain't supportive at all. Some of them want everything
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just handed to them. Okay. Without doing anything. Okay. I wasn't about to swear. So then you would,
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you would agree with this then, right? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. To a certain extent. To a certain extent. To a
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certain extent. Okay. Go ahead. I agree. You agree. Tell me why. I, well, of course with
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inflation and everything, I do believe that men are working 10 times, if not 20 times harder than
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our grandfathers did. And definitely as women, we are offering a bit less, especially with the lives we
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have today. In what way do we offer less? We always want less kids because we want a career before we even
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want to enter marriage. By the time we enter marriage, we don't really have the capacity to bear as many
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children as the men would like. So yeah. Okay. I would agree as well. With who? With the statement. Okay.
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Um, yeah, because I find that women actually want too much, which is why men have to work harder. Okay.
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Yeah. How do women typically want too much? Well, not necessarily too much, but they want a lot more
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now than they wanted back then. Okay. What do we want today that we didn't want yesterday?
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Pretty much everything. Can we list a couple things? I'll, I'll give you one. I don't know if six foot was
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on the table a hundred years ago. I don't know if that's what the, the grandmothers and great grandmothers
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were like, you need a man that's six foot. They need to drive. They need to have the good job.
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They need to have the money and the expenses to be able to afford the woman. Okay. So I feel like
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that's what a lot of women in today's society want. Do you think men, do you think men used to have to
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afford a woman? No. You don't think so? A little bit, yes, but not as much as, I don't think it was
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asked for as much as it is now. Okay. You think a woman was more willing to work with a man? Yeah. Okay.
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Okay. What do you think? Um, well, I'm not sure if it's the correct term to use,
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wholeflation. And I also feel like it's been the same. It's just more amplified now because we can
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see it. Like for example, if my parents or let's say my grandparents had an issue, I would never find
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out. Like I'm finding out things now, what my granddad did after he passed. But now I think things
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are more transparent because it's on social media what happened in, in LA. I think we are sort of
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easy to, to, to, to get information rather than how it was before. I think women have been the same.
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Uh, and men have also been the same. I think the only difference is we, we can see it now is the
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problems have been more, um, magnified than it was back then. Did your grandma stay with your grandpa?
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Yeah, she did. Well, she did. So do, do women today stay with their husbands?
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Um, not many, no. So wouldn't you say it's different? I think it's different. Um,
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it's not different as in what the perception of it. My grandmother stayed, but don't mean that she
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was fully happy with the situation, but she committed through it all. But I felt like women
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lately sort of feel like, why do I need to stay in misery if I can just go? If I can just capitalize on,
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on life itself, let's say my grandmother didn't have that, um, that space or that,
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that world to even navigate through freely, um, freely as a woman to even, you know, just do things
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for herself. So I guess she felt more dependent. She couldn't do things for herself?
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Uh, I mean, not that she couldn't, it's just the world wouldn't allow her to navigate through life
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as it is now. They wouldn't allow her to navigate? Yeah, through life. I say, this is book I read.
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What do you mean allow? Allow, I say for example, this is book I read. I think it's got a thousand,
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a thousand candles in the sand. I'm not sure, but it's to do with something happening,
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happening in, um, Afghanistan where this woman, this woman weren't allowed to travel without
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a man being with them. So imagine, just imagine coming from that world. How are you supposed to
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leave your husband? You can't even go to the shop without being, um, being with a male figure. They
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wouldn't allow you. You get sent back home. What was the reason for that law? It was, I don't know,
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it's just, well, cause the world used to, well, the world used to be a more dangerous place too. It's so
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dangerous now. Right. But I'm saying like, we have institutions that protect women that,
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depending on the time period and where you were in the world didn't always exist. Like the police
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force, like legal systems that could, you know what I'm saying? So it was, sometimes we judge like
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laws of the past by the times of today. You know what I mean? So I don't know that law. I was just
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asking. It's not, I don't think it's a law. I think it's just more culturally. Right. This is in
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Afghanistan. This is a book I read. Okay. 1920. Okay. The girl that wrote the book was actually in the
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story that she was telling about. I just feel like, well, I just, when I hear allow, like, it sounds like we
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couldn't work back then and we could. No, it could work. But I'm just saying back to your,
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you saying that, did my grandmother stay? Yeah. And I'm trying to bring it back is maybe if she
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had the opportunity to go out there and navigate as how women can today, who knows, she may have not
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stayed. So it's just circumstances. But I feel like the world has always been a bit terrifying for,
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for just, I guess, just people not knowing how to stay together. I feel like men have been men and
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women have been women, but just not, women didn't have the platform to say what they're saying now.
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Okay. Do you think women have always been the same? Now they just leave instead? Or like,
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now they're, it's just out in the public? Yes. I feel like now we can see more. Like,
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before we wouldn't know what's happening in someone else's family. But now you've got people filming
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what's happening in their own household and posting on social media. Or like everyone,
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I think people have an opinion. You've got someone just laying, laying in his bed at home,
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could just say whatever and not get to me. Whereby way back, I wouldn't know what he thinks
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or she thinks. So I'm just stuck in my own little world that I've created for myself,
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my own perception of the world. But now your perception can be injected by anyone. Someone
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from Dubai can say something and I can see you on Twitter and feel offended. Like, what was this?
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Whereby before, there's no Twitter, there's no social media, there's no internet,
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just live in your own world. Okay. What do you think?
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Well, I actually agree with the statement. And the reason why I agree with the statement is because
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guys do generally have to work much harder now. And the reason why I feel that they need to work
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much harder is in terms of inflation. And in terms of inflation in the last 10 years,
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it's absolutely ridiculous. There's no chance for young people. And the government just keep raising
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inflation. They say they raise the wages. But however, the inflation rises just above the wages.
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So then a lot more has to go in for them to get a lot out. In terms of women, do they give less?
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Yes. Well, I can't speak for every woman. It depends on how that woman thinks and what her
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perspective is. Remember, no, it depends. So again, I wouldn't pigeonhole every single female.
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Some females, yeah, are gold diggers. And some females are not. What value do women in 2023 bring?
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The average chick? Well, if you're average, I'm not sure about the average. But however,
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I was brought up in a way where we were raised to support our men and to stand beside our men. So
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they may not have had a lot, but you would support them in their endeavors or their dreams, etc.
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Um, and you'd be that backbone, um, towards their goals or their dreams, etc.
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Um, I can't speak for most women, but for what I've seen, for the females that are around me,
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no, they don't. Okay. So yeah, especially with like half of like, how can we say we're supportive
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if half of us leave? You know what I mean? I think in terms of leaving, um,
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it's like, cause you know, it's like you, if you're going to support, you got to stay and support him,
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you know? Again, I know you say you don't like the word depends, but however,
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I wouldn't recommend for someone to stay in an abusive relationship. So if someone's being
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Why is abusive? Why is abusive the first thing that comes to your head?
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Because I'm not saying that's the first thing, but however, yeah, but I've known women that have
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left from relationships because of physical abuse. Is that the majority? Um, I can't speak for the
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majority. Do you think the majority of men are abusing women? Do you think that's probable?
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No. Okay. So like, why is it the first thing that comes to your head?
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Um, you're saying it's about support and leave. I'm saying circumstances. Right. But I'm saying if
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half of women are leaving and then the first thing you say is abuse, I'm just, I'm asking why that's the
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first thing. I'm saying that could be one of the things. I'm not saying that's the first thing,
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but I'm just saying. No, I'm saying that's the first thing you said though. Yeah. So my first thing
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I would say, if a relationship is abusive, then you have the right to leave. Okay. Right. But like my,
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my point was that half of women are leaving. And so I'm saying we can't be supportive if we're leaving,
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unless someone knows the reason why they're leaving, every, every relationship and every
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partnership has their reasons why they leave. What are good reasons to leave a marriage?
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Well, I would say abuse. Okay. Outside of abuse, which we, we agree is the minority, right?
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Um, outside of abuse. I don't know. I feel like it really, really depends or say someone's a heavy
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gambler. Okay. Gambling, gambling and abuse, but you, would you agree those are minority cases,
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not majority? Yeah, I guess so. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. So are there any other good reasons to leave?
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Outside of that, I would say no. So wouldn't you say the majority of women are not supportive?
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Yeah, I would say so. Okay. Okay. What about you? Hoflation. True or false?
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I would partially agree with that statement. So I agree with the part where there isn't much quality
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women that are left that has dropped massively. Um, I slightly disagree with the part where men have to
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work extra hard nowadays compared to the men back in the days. Um, on two aspects, financially is more easier
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to gain financial success if you just understand the strategies to it in today's timing. And in
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terms of finding a woman, um, I think it's absolutely easy for males to find a decent woman only because
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females are now degrading themselves and they're showing it in front of the whole world in the
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public. So men are now able to now look at that and say, okay, well, I don't want you that they can
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filter more easily because females are just upcoming degrading themselves. What is a decent woman?
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A decent woman. A decent woman would carry such qualities that would facilitate being a mother,
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a wife and a lady. And some of those will come from the parenting, how they were raised in the first
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place. And then part of that will also be down to their decisions that they make in life.
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Do you think the majority of women were raised to be wives?
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Okay. What if a guy wanted 10 kids? Where would he get that?
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Are there women that want to give 10 kids nowadays?
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Do you know what, do you know what the average guy got, um, in 1800?
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But that's the thing. There is quality woman out there. It's just more easier to filter through it now.
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Right. So what does a quality woman give to a man?
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A quality woman is, is basically a woman that most men would dream to have or the type of woman that
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Like, what does she bring to the table? A quality woman?
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I don't, I don't agree with females bringing anything to the table.
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No, but you said it's not that hard for a man to find a quality.
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Okay. But I'm saying we have to define what is a quality woman?
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I can define to you what type of woman that they won't want.
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Okay. But no, I'm asking what, because you said a quality woman. I'm saying what would they want?
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Right. Like how many kids does a quality woman bring? Is she a virgin? Is she like, what, like, how old is she? What does a quality woman look like?
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She'll be well presented, well spoken, um, quite intelligent in that sense. She would also have the skills to know how to cook and, well, how to use the kitchen app. I would normally say to people two things. A woman should know
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how to, um, feed the hunger and heal the sick within the kitchen. Okay. Those are two qualities, um, that woman should have. What about age?
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Age doesn't really hold really much weight, because you can be a quality woman for the rest of your life. You could be 50, you could be...
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So a 40 year old woman is equally as quality as a 20 year old woman?
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They could still be quality women at just different ages.
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You could probably even be better at an old age. You might get a bit more mature, you're kind of experienced.
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What, what do you bring at 40 that you wouldn't have at 20?
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Are older women generally known for being more agreeable and better?
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No, they are. Maybe you've not ever experienced them.
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It doesn't matter. There's thousands of millions of us. There is a lot, there's a lot of things that we
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haven't experienced, you know, that we can't really comment on.
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Okay. What are, what are women over 30's reputation that are still single? Good or bad?
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You don't think we can make generalities based on a reputation?
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Yeah, right. But we're talking about women. We're talking about women.
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But if you think we're talking about women, all right, I understand that.
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But why are we talking, what is it? Is it, is it for the men that we're talking about this for?
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Right. But I'm saying if she's 40, what is she going to bring to a guy who wants a new wife and a family?
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More sexual experience? Should probably be a better number.
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Do men, do men want wives with more sexual experience?
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You're, you're more likely to get divorced the more sexual experience you have.
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Well, maybe that's because you won't settle for less.
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Well, settling is when you're in a marriage that isn't perhaps perfect,
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and you want to go out and explore what else is available.
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Yeah. Because women think they deserve more than they do.
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Well, I mean, if you, if you could get it, you would get it.
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Right. So if she hasn't gotten it, how does she deserve something she can't get?
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No, but seriously, a guy that wants a wife, what is he going to get out of a woman that is 40 years old?
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It's geriatric pregnancy. She can't bring him kids.
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How is that equally? I mean, I know you don't want kids, but I think.
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So, so the question is, what, what does a 40 year old woman bring that a 20 year old can't?
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Okay. Well, better conversation, more life experience, more money potentially, better career,
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Do men, do men care about your career and education?
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Oh, I hope so. But yeah, again, the interesting ones would, I'm sure.
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So, so the, the interesting men care about your career. What, what is a career to a guy that has one?
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It's more like the broke men don't care, the broke men care about your career.
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I think it'd be more important to a man with a career because you have something to talk about
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Do you think, do you really, you're nodding, you think that's true?
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There is a lot of things going on that you might not have experienced to really be able to comment on.
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Okay, then why, why do the richest men not, not care about a woman's career?
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Why do they go for young, attractive women? Why do they go for models?
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There's a lot of them that are naive. Some of them don't even know what they want.
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They just see what's on social media, what's out on, you know, on the internet.
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All the flash, the bling, give me the car, give me the clothes, give me the jewels.
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How is that different from the older women? The older women are doing the same thing.
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No, but some women grow out of it and they realize that there's more about a man than just his money.
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You know, have your money, but all of the extra stuff.
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So all the extra stuff, it's been there, done that.
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Then you start more focusing on the man's mentality, their mental health,
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It's not really about the jewels and all the extra stuff.
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That's fine, but why do a lot of them still end up single?
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With all the knowledge they have about men and how to be better, they still end up single.
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They've been together from 20 to now and they're 57.
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We're talking about this generation of women that are single.
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Okay, so if the data shows that men don't like women the older they get,
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I think every dating app data that you can possibly take.
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Even if you have men pick women by scent, they still pick the younger women.
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They literally don't even have to see the women.
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No, I mean, there's biological reasons why we do the things we do.
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And you're more likely to be able to reproduce more children with a younger woman.
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But you can't just undo biology the same way you like taller men because they can protect
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The same way you like muscles because it can protect you.
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The same reason women like rich men because they want resources.
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We're talking about older men like younger women.
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You know what age they ranked the most attractive from 18 to 80, all of them?
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So really and truly, men are just looking for the looks.
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I know some girls that just don't lift a finger.
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The majority of us haven't been raised to be wives.
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Um, this day and age, anything below 25, they have been struggling.
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Not all of them, but there is a lot that have been struggling.
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Because we got, I think the women between like.
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But a lot of young girls haven't been really taught about respecting themselves.
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You know, they don't, they're not been told how to conduct themselves.
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We've all had our moments, but I feel like it's all to do with the maturity.
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But I do believe that it works good and bad for like that free spirit.
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So maybe if they want an older guy, an older man might not like that free spirit too much.
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Because they kind of want, depending on the guy.
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But they might want a bit more of a submissive girl.
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Are people more likely to change when they're older or younger?
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If a guy has been committing crimes until 18, is he more likely to stop if he stops at 18 or if he stops at 35?
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He's been doing it for 15 years or he's been doing it for two years?
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If there's others that don't, then I can't say, no, you don't.
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Like, it's not my, it's not my place to say that.
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But I do know of everyone around me that they've changed from in their early 20s to their mid 30s.
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So my question is, you're a woman and you don't, you don't, you, you don't.
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You're so sure that guys don't change and you're not a guy.
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But for a woman, you have a completely different view on it.