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00:00:00.000 It's the KinsellaCast, starring Warren Kinsella.

00:00:23.400 Hey, it's Warren.

00:00:25.840 Welcome to the KinsellaCast. 0.92

00:00:27.580 And I feel shitty.

00:00:31.780 I've got a cold, I think, so I'm dying. 0.95

00:00:37.240 I'm a man, and I have a man cold, and I'm weak, like all men are, and I'm dying. 1.00

00:00:43.940 So this is it. This is the last KinsellaCast.

00:00:46.900 I'm dying.

00:00:49.220 I'm miserable, and I feel it is my solemn obligation to treat everybody else

00:00:55.060 in such a way that they, too, become miserable.

00:00:59.100 So apologies to E and everybody else around me.

00:01:03.100 But soon you'll be rid of my earthly existence, and life will go on.

00:01:07.040 Failing that, I will later on be on CFRA with Carl Belanger and a star to be named later,

00:01:15.380 because Tasha can't be on, and Brian Lilly, and I think Charles Adler and I.

00:01:23.880 And that's about it this week, because I'm miserable.

00:01:29.360 It's St. Patrick's Day weekend.

00:01:33.160 He is selflessly cooking for several hundred people, because that's what she does.

00:01:40.200 I am collecting obscure Irish music to play for you guys.

00:01:43.940 I've got Lisa O'Neill doing Dylan's All the Tired Horses. 1.00

00:01:48.460 I love that.

00:01:49.780 They played it on Peaky Blinders, and it worked.

00:01:54.300 Fontaine's DC from Dublin, who I've played before.

00:01:58.660 They've been around for about a decade.

00:02:00.700 They all got together because they love poetry, and it shows.

00:02:05.260 My Bloody Valentine, Only Shallow.

00:02:08.840 God, this song came out in 1991.

00:02:12.160 Amazing.

00:02:12.900 Sounds like it could come out tomorrow.

00:02:14.980 From their second LP, Loveless, which is their best, and it's their second single,

00:02:19.820 you've got The Sprints.

00:02:21.040 I've got The Sprints with The Cheek, also from Dublin.

00:02:24.980 They've been around since 2019.

00:02:26.960 Their four-piece led by Carla Chubb, who is a genius.

00:02:30.560 And then New Dad.

00:02:32.000 The Guardian said this band was the band to watch in 2024.

00:02:38.460 So here we are watching them.

00:02:39.960 They've been around since 2018, and they're from Galway, and this is their song.

00:02:45.480 I don't recognize.

00:02:49.980 Genocide is not kosher. 0.64

00:02:51.680 And that is what the sign said, all caps.

00:02:55.120 I saw it with my own eyes.

00:02:56.440 And if it wasn't for who was holding it, and if it wasn't for where it was being held up,

00:03:02.220 the sign would have been the sort of casual anti-Semitism that is everywhere these days.

00:03:10.720 And this needs to be said, I think.

00:03:13.440 The sign was objectionable not because it was critical of the government of Israel.

00:03:18.400 Every single Jew that I know, that I've spoken to in recent months,

00:03:23.620 is critical of the ultra-conservative government of Netanyahu.

00:03:28.720 All of them, publicly or privately, blame Netanyahu for permitting Hamas to flourish

00:03:33.680 and for being unprepared for Hamas and their barbaric assault on October 7th.

00:03:40.220 Like, every one of them looks forward to Netanyahu being gone after the war,

00:03:44.300 and polling in Israel overwhelmingly shows that.

00:03:47.320 No, the sign was bad because it explicitly associated genocide,

00:03:54.640 which is the most serious crime,

00:03:56.920 with an important religious thing,

00:04:00.240 which is the dietary laws of the Jewish faith.

00:04:04.340 And what made it even worse was this.

00:04:06.480 It was being held up by a child,

00:04:09.220 maybe six or seven years old,

00:04:11.440 a few feet from a cenotaph,

00:04:14.960 a memorial to the dead,

00:04:17.320 in Picton, Ontario,

00:04:19.020 just a few days ago.

00:04:20.560 The cenotaph is dedicated to those Canadians

00:04:22.780 who gave their lives fighting Nazism.

00:04:25.700 Like, who does that?

00:04:28.200 Who gives a child a sign like that,

00:04:31.280 knowing full well that the child does not understand

00:04:34.380 what is either genocide or kosher,

00:04:37.700 and then tells them to stand in a sacred place

00:04:40.180 and driving cold rain on the Jewish Sabbath

00:04:42.600 to act as a propaganda tool?

00:04:44.940 Like, who does that?

00:04:47.320 What about the actors who showed up at the Oscars

00:04:50.380 on the same weekend wearing pins with the bloody red hand?

00:04:54.860 You know, for them, that question would be different.

00:04:57.780 We know who decided to wear the pins.

00:05:00.020 They did.

00:05:00.840 Billie Eilish, Jessica Chastain,

00:05:02.780 Richard Gere, Cate Blanchett, others.

00:05:07.100 And, you know, they're arguably adults,

00:05:09.460 and they made the decision to wear the lapel pins

00:05:11.840 bearing the bloody red hand.

00:05:14.500 That's what it's got. 0.96

00:05:15.520 It's a hand.

00:05:16.260 It's red.

00:05:17.200 Dripping blood.

00:05:18.320 And being big stars,

00:05:19.500 being paid obscene amounts of money

00:05:21.740 to pretend to be somebody else all the time,

00:05:24.740 we presume they were the ones

00:05:26.400 who decided to display the hand covered by blood

00:05:28.760 for all to see.

00:05:31.220 But did they know what it means?

00:05:33.860 Like, for those of us in the Irish diaspora,

00:05:37.300 we know what it means.

00:05:39.220 It's the symbol of a warrior

00:05:41.160 covered in the blood of the warrior's vanquished enemy.

00:05:45.140 In Ireland's north,

00:05:47.700 the red hand is capitalized

00:05:49.360 and has been appropriated by both sides

00:05:51.760 in serial campaigns of mass murder for decades.

00:05:56.300 And in the Israel-Gaza context, guys,

00:05:59.040 the red hand is an explicit reference

00:06:01.240 to a photo from a lynching

00:06:03.280 and bloody dismemberment of Israeli soldiers

00:06:06.280 by Palestinians during the Intifada in 2000.

00:06:09.740 It's a celebration of murder.

00:06:13.040 Like, was that what Billie Eilish 1.00

00:06:14.500 and the others were celebrating?

00:06:15.960 Like, did they,

00:06:17.100 like the little kid

00:06:18.000 with the anti-Semitic sign

00:06:19.800 in Picton, Ontario,

00:06:21.580 did they know what they were saying?

00:06:24.100 Maybe, maybe not.

00:06:26.320 But the damaging effect remains the same.

00:06:28.960 It's propaganda, yes,

00:06:30.320 but it is inarguably worse than that.

00:06:32.820 It's holding something up

00:06:35.020 to signal that someone else,

00:06:37.240 and in this case, Jews, obviously, 1.00

00:06:39.080 are inferior, are bad, 1.00

00:06:42.300 are worthy of hatred. 0.98

00:06:45.500 The holding up of awful signs

00:06:47.260 of wearing awful pins

00:06:48.800 is happening a lot these days,

00:06:50.760 and that's important

00:06:51.880 because through repetition,

00:06:54.200 hate is made routine.

00:06:56.620 I'm reading a book right now

00:06:57.780 by an author called

00:06:59.840 Sander van der Linden.

00:07:01.600 It's called Foolproof,

00:07:03.040 How Misinformation Infects Our Minds

00:07:05.200 and How to Build Immunity.

00:07:07.320 And as Hannah Arendt says,

00:07:10.040 you know, how evil is made banal,

00:07:14.080 van der Linden writes this,

00:07:16.000 and van der Linden,

00:07:17.000 he's a Cambridge social psychology professor,

00:07:19.720 quote,

00:07:19.960 belief in the truth of a claim

00:07:21.780 goes up as a function of repetition.

00:07:24.920 In other words,

00:07:25.800 the more you hear a statement,

00:07:27.260 the more true it sounds.

00:07:28.880 This has become known

00:07:30.120 as the illusory truth effect,

00:07:32.300 end quote.

00:07:32.960 So real journalism gets dismissed

00:07:34.600 over and over as fake news.

00:07:37.060 Crowds chant stop the steal

00:07:38.780 about elections that were free and fair.

00:07:41.700 Jewish civilians,

00:07:42.720 wherever they are,

00:07:43.600 however innocent they may be,

00:07:45.240 get falsely accused of genocide

00:07:47.300 over and over and over.

00:07:50.500 Hate propaganda becomes effective

00:07:52.280 not when it is said just once.

00:07:54.320 It becomes effective

00:07:55.440 when it is repeated endlessly.

00:07:58.880 Just ask one of the pioneers

00:08:00.340 of the most notorious

00:08:01.740 anti-Semitic campaigns in history,

00:08:05.040 Nazi propaganda minister

00:08:06.540 Joseph Goebbels,

00:08:07.680 like he said,

00:08:09.100 repeat a lie often enough

00:08:10.800 and it becomes the truth.

00:08:13.200 You know I love that violence,

00:08:14.980 that you get around here,

00:08:16.780 that kind of ready,

00:08:18.100 steady violence.

00:08:19.440 That violent,

00:08:20.460 how do you do?

00:08:21.580 And the lie when it's

00:08:22.420 that he walks asleep

00:08:23.420 in a phone booth.

00:08:24.760 He's just very,

00:08:25.500 very tired of having

00:08:26.760 that same all boring conversation.

00:08:30.100 Just like me,

00:08:31.440 just like you,

00:08:32.480 man is on a nod,

00:08:33.540 yeah,

00:08:33.780 what you gonna do about it?

00:08:39.640 You know I love that violence,

00:08:41.660 that you get around here,

00:08:43.520 that kind of ready,

00:08:44.880 steady violence.

00:08:46.200 That violent,

00:08:47.240 how do you do?

00:08:48.400 The lie when it's

00:08:49.200 that he walks asleep

00:08:50.200 in a phone booth.

00:08:51.540 He's just very,

00:08:52.240 very tired of having

00:08:53.520 that same all boring conversation.

00:08:56.820 Just like me,

00:08:58.220 just like you,

00:08:59.360 man is on a nod,

00:09:00.320 yeah,

00:09:00.600 what you gonna do about it?

00:09:02.040 Is it easy just to try it?

00:09:08.600 Is it the same old life?

00:09:14.060 Well,

00:09:14.460 is it liberating just to be so fine?

00:09:19.720 Happens all the time.

00:09:22.720 You know I love that violent statue,

00:09:33.460 gallow in the car,

00:09:34.520 it blows down news,

00:09:35.920 of the marriage,

00:09:36.580 of the socialites,

00:09:37.540 money to another one's land,

00:09:39.340 and I've bought one,

00:09:40.520 we're abused to stand,

00:09:41.880 yeah.

00:09:42.500 He's just very ridicule,

00:09:43.880 and it's coming from the back row,

00:09:45.520 side row,

00:09:46.200 never even tried row,

00:09:47.820 nice man,

00:09:48.600 and if you knew him well,

00:09:50.060 I heard he on a place

00:09:51.180 called the Liberty Bell,

00:09:52.600 yeah.

00:09:54.140 Well,

00:09:54.660 is it easy?

00:09:56.760 I think I'll try it.

00:09:59.520 Cause it's the same old life.

00:10:04.780 I find it liberating,

00:10:07.340 just to be so fine.

00:10:10.680 Happens all the time.

00:10:18.600 Let's get right to the photo

00:10:41.180 that's upsetting you,

00:10:42.620 that precipitated a column

00:10:44.020 in post-media,

00:10:45.700 Melanie Jolie and who?

00:10:47.560 Mahmoud Abbas.

00:10:50.260 Mahmoud Abbas is the head

00:10:52.600 of Palestinian Authority,

00:10:54.860 and you know,

00:10:55.460 I should say,

00:10:56.180 to be fair to him,

00:10:57.120 he's not Hamas,

00:10:58.740 he's the guy that Hamas 1.00

00:11:01.020 kind of shouldered out of the way,

00:11:03.000 however,

00:11:03.500 he is kind of a bad guy,

00:11:05.480 you know,

00:11:05.720 he denies the Holocaust,

00:11:07.900 he has likened Jews many times

00:11:10.600 to Nazis,

00:11:12.040 he's praised Hitler,

00:11:13.440 but most seriously,

00:11:15.620 in terms of his conduct,

00:11:17.340 not just his words, 1.00

00:11:18.960 he's a crook, 1.00

00:11:20.200 you know, 1.00

00:11:20.620 he has pilfered millions

00:11:22.440 that were supposed to go

00:11:23.940 to the Palestinian people

00:11:25.320 to help them survive

00:11:26.460 and to build a society,

00:11:28.520 millions,

00:11:29.180 he and his two sons,

00:11:30.760 and there was Melanie Jolie

00:11:32.040 at the end of this week

00:11:33.380 showing up in a tour,

00:11:35.800 clutching his hand like,

00:11:38.320 you know,

00:11:38.640 she was on a school trip

00:11:40.140 and beaming,

00:11:42.040 and it's problematic,

00:11:43.780 but I think it's also symbolic.

00:11:46.240 This is a government

00:11:47.140 that has reinstated,

00:11:49.120 actually,

00:11:49.460 they never really stopped

00:11:50.480 funding UNRWA,

00:11:51.900 who UNRWA itself

00:11:53.160 has admitted,

00:11:53.740 they've got employees

00:11:54.540 who participated

00:11:55.420 in the barbarism

00:11:57.140 of October 7th.

00:11:58.840 This is a government

00:11:59.840 that has indicated

00:12:02.640 it's going to stop

00:12:03.420 the trade

00:12:04.500 in non-lethal,

00:12:05.740 non-lethal

00:12:06.660 military supply

00:12:09.680 to Israel,

00:12:10.980 and they're even

00:12:12.040 doing stuff,

00:12:12.660 Charles,

00:12:13.000 like stopping

00:12:15.100 the production

00:12:16.020 of kosher meats,

00:12:17.500 which are part

00:12:18.280 of the Jewish

00:12:19.300 dietary restrictions,

00:12:21.300 and,

00:12:21.520 you know,

00:12:22.540 you and I

00:12:23.240 have covered

00:12:24.200 politics

00:12:25.560 and foreign affairs

00:12:26.960 for a long time.

00:12:28.260 There has always

00:12:29.160 been a problem

00:12:30.000 at foreign affairs

00:12:31.200 that predates

00:12:32.020 Melanie Jolie,

00:12:32.780 back through

00:12:33.940 successive ministers,

00:12:35.320 but it really

00:12:35.980 seems to be

00:12:36.660 getting worse

00:12:37.420 right now,

00:12:39.060 and,

00:12:39.600 you know,

00:12:40.460 right now

00:12:41.300 is the worst

00:12:41.900 possible time

00:12:42.660 for this to be

00:12:43.260 happening.

00:12:44.240 Yeah,

00:12:44.440 Israel versus 0.94

00:12:45.860 Arab countries,

00:12:47.380 Canadian foreign

00:12:48.000 affairs has been

00:12:49.400 perceived by

00:12:50.160 many,

00:12:51.080 many people

00:12:51.720 as on the

00:12:53.320 side of Arabs 0.98

00:12:54.060 in general.

00:12:55.200 Just to clear up

00:12:56.020 a couple of things

00:12:56.660 here,

00:12:56.920 Melanie Jolie

00:12:57.540 is Canada's

00:12:58.780 foreign affairs

00:12:59.340 minister,

00:12:59.740 I guess they call

00:13:00.220 it global affairs

00:13:00.980 now.

00:13:01.240 Global affairs,

00:13:01.760 yeah.

00:13:01.980 she's the 0.99

00:13:02.940 minister,

00:13:04.360 so she represents

00:13:05.380 Canada around

00:13:06.060 the world.

00:13:07.080 That's Melanie Jolie,

00:13:08.620 and UNRWA

00:13:09.220 is the United

00:13:10.540 Nations relief

00:13:11.760 agency in

00:13:13.420 the Palestinian

00:13:15.180 territories,

00:13:15.940 and they have

00:13:17.480 been accused

00:13:18.320 with evidence

00:13:19.100 of having

00:13:20.160 several,

00:13:21.180 not just a

00:13:21.800 handful,

00:13:22.300 but several

00:13:23.120 people on

00:13:24.360 the payroll

00:13:24.800 of Hamas,

00:13:25.700 and some of

00:13:26.320 them are accused

00:13:27.580 of having

00:13:28.040 participated in

00:13:28.840 the October

00:13:29.280 7th massacre.

00:13:30.440 Is there

00:13:31.220 any other

00:13:31.760 dot that I

00:13:32.540 need to

00:13:32.880 dot and

00:13:33.460 T that I

00:13:34.160 need to

00:13:34.440 cross to

00:13:35.400 make the

00:13:35.680 case?

00:13:35.880 No,

00:13:36.500 and you've

00:13:38.160 done an

00:13:38.860 exceptional job

00:13:39.860 of it right

00:13:40.360 there.

00:13:41.240 It's hard for

00:13:42.060 people to

00:13:42.500 follow this

00:13:42.920 stuff.

00:13:43.240 I think a lot

00:13:43.600 of people have

00:13:44.100 tuned it out,

00:13:45.580 which has not

00:13:46.740 been helpful to

00:13:47.420 the Jewish

00:13:47.820 community.

00:13:48.320 The Jewish

00:13:48.620 community is,

00:13:49.820 people I know

00:13:51.060 are saying,

00:13:51.640 please,

00:13:52.300 Canada,

00:13:53.360 please,

00:13:53.780 neighbors and

00:13:54.380 friends,

00:13:54.800 pay attention to

00:13:55.640 what's happening

00:13:56.240 to us,

00:13:57.320 protests at

00:13:58.580 synagogues 1.00

00:13:59.260 where people

00:13:59.700 are holding

00:14:00.080 up signs,

00:14:01.360 accusing them

00:14:02.080 of sin,

00:14:03.000 S-I-N, 1.00

00:14:04.320 of being

00:14:04.700 synagogues,

00:14:06.100 places of

00:14:06.780 sin, 0.92

00:14:07.760 Jews being 1.00

00:14:08.460 attacked. 0.97

00:14:10.220 The problem

00:14:11.300 is getting

00:14:12.120 worse.

00:14:15.120 I think

00:14:16.200 when you have

00:14:17.820 a department

00:14:18.280 like foreign 0.93

00:14:18.900 affairs or

00:14:19.520 global affairs,

00:14:20.300 which is one

00:14:21.440 of our most

00:14:21.980 important government

00:14:23.520 departments federally,

00:14:24.900 it's the outward

00:14:25.980 face of Canada,

00:14:27.800 it really is

00:14:28.860 important,

00:14:29.420 I think,

00:14:29.860 that that

00:14:30.280 department be

00:14:30.880 seen as

00:14:31.860 fair and

00:14:32.880 balanced.

00:14:34.000 As you and

00:14:34.840 I have both

00:14:35.740 done,

00:14:36.700 you and I

00:14:37.840 have been

00:14:38.060 very critical

00:14:38.720 of Benjamin

00:14:39.920 Yad-Nyahu.

00:14:40.820 I think he's 0.99

00:14:41.280 a crook as 1.00

00:14:41.820 well. 0.99

00:14:42.260 I think he'll

00:14:42.720 be gone after

00:14:43.600 the war,

00:14:44.640 hopefully sooner

00:14:45.540 than that.

00:14:47.040 But I support

00:14:48.740 Israel and I

00:14:49.620 support the

00:14:51.100 Jewish people

00:14:51.700 and they're

00:14:52.080 dealing with

00:14:52.760 this wave of

00:14:53.500 anti-Semitism

00:14:54.120 around the

00:14:54.760 world.

00:14:55.540 It's

00:14:55.760 possible for

00:14:57.700 global affairs

00:14:58.600 to be more

00:14:59.180 balanced than

00:14:59.960 they are.

00:15:00.760 It's desirable

00:15:01.660 that they be

00:15:02.360 more balanced.

00:15:03.760 And under

00:15:04.680 Melanie Jolie,

00:15:05.620 I think the

00:15:06.480 balance has

00:15:07.140 been disturbed,

00:15:08.200 it's been

00:15:08.500 wrecked,

00:15:09.300 and I really

00:15:09.740 think she's

00:15:10.320 the wrong

00:15:10.700 minister at

00:15:11.600 this very

00:15:12.540 difficult time.

00:15:14.460 Let's get

00:15:15.140 to, before

00:15:15.960 we get to

00:15:16.840 the issue

00:15:17.220 of Netanyahu

00:15:18.080 and condemnations

00:15:19.380 coming from

00:15:20.980 Joe Biden

00:15:22.140 and coming

00:15:22.720 from now

00:15:23.400 Chuck Schumer

00:15:24.500 majority leader

00:15:25.220 in the Senate

00:15:25.680 and let's

00:15:26.080 just stipulate

00:15:26.940 to be as

00:15:28.000 fair-minded

00:15:28.520 Canadians that

00:15:30.360 we are,

00:15:31.160 that you can

00:15:31.640 be both

00:15:32.300 opposed to

00:15:33.140 Netanyahu

00:15:33.800 but also

00:15:35.380 opposed to

00:15:36.040 Hamas. 0.73

00:15:36.500 it's not

00:15:36.960 difficult to

00:15:37.940 hold true

00:15:39.400 thoughts if

00:15:39.900 you're a

00:15:40.100 fair-minded

00:15:40.520 person.

00:15:41.700 And I'm

00:15:41.880 not likening

00:15:42.680 Netanyahu

00:15:43.280 to Hamas.

00:15:44.240 I'm simply

00:15:44.700 saying that

00:15:45.220 for those

00:15:45.920 people who

00:15:46.340 say, well,

00:15:46.980 if you're

00:15:47.460 against Hamas,

00:15:48.380 you have to

00:15:48.820 support Netanyahu,

00:15:50.060 that's intellectually

00:15:51.180 both slippery

00:15:52.780 and dishonest,

00:15:53.880 and that's not

00:15:54.660 what we're

00:15:55.280 about here.

00:15:56.200 But before

00:15:56.660 we do all

00:15:57.720 of that,

00:15:58.740 as far as

00:15:59.800 the situation

00:16:01.080 attacking

00:16:03.180 Jews in 0.97

00:16:04.640 Canada,

00:16:05.160 the biggest

00:16:05.760 Jewish community

00:16:06.320 in Canada,

00:16:07.120 of course,

00:16:07.560 is in

00:16:07.860 Toronto,

00:16:08.280 where you

00:16:08.540 spend much

00:16:09.000 of your

00:16:09.240 time,

00:16:10.680 one of the

00:16:11.720 big guard

00:16:13.220 rails that

00:16:14.920 keeps democracy

00:16:16.060 going is

00:16:17.200 institutions.

00:16:18.140 And I'm

00:16:18.580 not talking

00:16:18.860 about all

00:16:19.700 institutions,

00:16:20.700 not just

00:16:21.380 governmental

00:16:21.860 institutions,

00:16:22.540 but one of

00:16:22.820 the institutions

00:16:23.560 that's absolutely

00:16:24.180 key so that

00:16:25.760 we don't slip

00:16:26.360 into chaos

00:16:26.940 and make

00:16:27.940 democracy

00:16:28.920 debased

00:16:29.920 would be the

00:16:31.000 Toronto Police

00:16:32.080 Service.

00:16:32.500 In this case,

00:16:33.380 I have been

00:16:33.980 perceived as

00:16:34.660 pro-cop all

00:16:35.820 my life.

00:16:36.400 I don't want

00:16:36.700 to get into

00:16:37.140 all the

00:16:37.820 reasons.

00:16:38.500 I can put

00:16:39.680 it in 30

00:16:40.100 seconds or

00:16:40.640 less.

00:16:41.380 I've had my

00:16:42.140 life threatened

00:16:42.740 and it wasn't

00:16:43.920 the thug that

00:16:45.080 saved my life,

00:16:45.840 it was the

00:16:46.240 cop.

00:16:47.020 So on a

00:16:47.360 very personal

00:16:48.000 level,

00:16:48.380 I've been a

00:16:48.740 pro-cop person.

00:16:49.960 I think Warren

00:16:50.380 can sell it for

00:16:51.000 several reasons,

00:16:52.120 not different

00:16:53.080 from my own.

00:16:54.180 You have been

00:16:54.660 as well.

00:16:55.220 So one can

00:16:55.880 also hold two

00:16:56.620 thoughts at the

00:16:57.580 same time.

00:16:58.160 One can be

00:16:58.600 pro-Canadian

00:16:59.660 police,

00:17:00.180 whether it's

00:17:00.580 RCMP or

00:17:01.300 local,

00:17:02.000 but also

00:17:02.620 critical of

00:17:03.740 what the

00:17:04.020 Toronto Police

00:17:04.620 Service is

00:17:05.080 doing and

00:17:05.820 not doing.

00:17:06.420 I wonder if

00:17:07.220 you could fill

00:17:07.620 in the blanks

00:17:08.280 there, Warren,

00:17:09.100 on what the

00:17:10.160 Toronto Police

00:17:10.660 Service right

00:17:11.320 now is not

00:17:12.300 doing regarding

00:17:13.740 attacks on the

00:17:14.600 Jewish community

00:17:15.160 in Toronto.

00:17:16.020 Well, how much

00:17:16.820 time do you

00:17:17.260 have?

00:17:17.560 This is important

00:17:20.460 to take whatever

00:17:21.140 time because the

00:17:22.260 Toronto Police

00:17:22.780 Service is the

00:17:23.400 largest in the

00:17:24.000 country and this

00:17:25.540 matters.

00:17:26.280 No, I know.

00:17:26.820 I'm being

00:17:27.080 facetious.

00:17:27.920 My point is

00:17:28.800 the list is

00:17:29.500 long.

00:17:30.020 The answer to

00:17:30.580 your question

00:17:31.080 is, you know,

00:17:32.400 the list is

00:17:33.040 long.

00:17:33.620 There's a

00:17:33.960 firebombing of 0.85

00:17:34.820 a Jewish 0.98

00:17:35.340 delicatessen,

00:17:36.680 a Russian

00:17:37.180 Jewish

00:17:37.760 delicatessen up

00:17:39.500 near Steeles in

00:17:40.300 Toronto.

00:17:40.840 No arrests.

00:17:42.280 There have been

00:17:43.100 attacks on Jewish

00:17:44.280 community centers.

00:17:45.840 No arrests.

00:17:46.640 There have been

00:17:48.040 attacks on

00:17:49.160 physical violence 0.97

00:17:50.800 on Jews. 0.52

00:17:52.520 No arrests.

00:17:54.260 There have been

00:17:55.000 the targeting of

00:17:56.140 the synagogues. 0.82

00:17:56.960 We just referred

00:17:57.560 to two synagogues 1.00

00:17:58.680 in Toronto just

00:17:59.340 in the past week

00:18:00.100 or so.

00:18:01.120 No arrests.

00:18:02.540 No arrests of

00:18:03.420 the people who

00:18:04.540 are doing the

00:18:05.080 attacks, by the

00:18:05.760 way.

00:18:07.340 There's just been

00:18:08.220 a huge, huge

00:18:09.820 problem in

00:18:10.660 Toronto and in

00:18:11.520 Montreal.

00:18:13.000 And, you know,

00:18:15.100 I don't know

00:18:15.420 where the police

00:18:15.860 are.

00:18:16.120 Like, they're

00:18:16.980 in Ontario.

00:18:17.760 They're on

00:18:18.020 what's called

00:18:18.480 the sunshine

00:18:18.920 list.

00:18:19.940 The vast

00:18:20.320 majority of

00:18:20.920 Toronto police

00:18:21.640 earn more

00:18:22.140 than $100,000

00:18:22.980 a year.

00:18:23.960 Some of them

00:18:24.320 earn substantially

00:18:25.340 more than that.

00:18:26.920 Where are

00:18:27.300 they?

00:18:28.120 Where are

00:18:28.560 they?

00:18:29.420 And it's

00:18:31.120 not like we

00:18:31.600 have a shortage

00:18:32.160 of laws,

00:18:32.860 Charles.

00:18:33.240 We've got a

00:18:33.760 multiplicity of

00:18:34.580 laws under

00:18:35.100 Section 319,

00:18:36.400 320 of the

00:18:37.360 Criminal Code.

00:18:38.580 The Trudeau

00:18:38.900 government is

00:18:39.400 proposing to

00:18:39.980 bring in even

00:18:40.720 more laws to

00:18:42.100 deal with this

00:18:42.640 sort of problem

00:18:43.340 online.

00:18:44.020 We've got

00:18:45.940 unlawful

00:18:46.460 assembly and

00:18:47.300 rioting and

00:18:48.360 intimidation and

00:18:49.920 threats and

00:18:50.800 promotion of

00:18:51.960 hate and

00:18:52.380 promotion of

00:18:52.920 genocide.

00:18:53.300 We've got the

00:18:53.860 laws.

00:18:55.020 What we seem

00:18:55.640 to lack is

00:18:56.880 the guts,

00:18:57.660 the wherewithal.

00:18:58.600 We seem to

00:18:59.080 lack police

00:19:00.140 forces in

00:19:00.940 two of our

00:19:01.920 largest cities

00:19:02.780 to act against

00:19:03.800 it.

00:19:04.040 And I

00:19:04.800 think those

00:19:05.300 two cities

00:19:06.200 police forces

00:19:08.120 are deserving

00:19:09.100 of particular

00:19:09.780 criticism because

00:19:11.160 in other

00:19:11.720 places, police

00:19:13.260 forces are

00:19:13.820 doing okay.

00:19:15.220 In Ottawa,

00:19:16.720 they broke

00:19:17.440 up a plot

00:19:18.480 to carry out

00:19:20.020 a terrorist

00:19:20.600 attack.

00:19:21.540 In Ottawa,

00:19:22.960 in Vancouver,

00:19:24.420 in Calgary,

00:19:24.960 in Edmonton,

00:19:26.160 they're doing

00:19:27.760 comparatively

00:19:28.520 okay compared

00:19:29.780 to Montreal

00:19:31.280 and Toronto.

00:19:33.080 Winnipeg, I

00:19:33.920 think, is

00:19:34.840 relatively okay.

00:19:36.080 There was a

00:19:36.440 Jewish home that

00:19:37.100 was shot up

00:19:37.720 just before

00:19:38.280 Christmas.

00:19:39.200 Didn't get as

00:19:40.200 much attention

00:19:40.820 as it deserved.

00:19:42.280 I don't think

00:19:42.700 the bad guys

00:19:43.300 have been caught

00:19:43.760 in that case.

00:19:44.920 But in the

00:19:45.220 case of

00:19:45.540 Edmonton,

00:19:46.360 the guy broke

00:19:47.200 into city

00:19:48.080 council chambers

00:19:48.940 firing off a

00:19:50.180 gun and 0.82

00:19:50.640 uttering threats.

00:19:51.960 They caught him

00:19:52.600 right away and

00:19:53.240 he's being

00:19:53.680 prosecuted.

00:19:54.820 So it depends

00:19:55.900 where you are

00:19:57.240 in this country.

00:19:58.600 Some police

00:19:59.120 forces are doing

00:19:59.980 a much better

00:20:00.560 job than

00:20:01.000 others.

00:20:01.980 And basically

00:20:02.580 in Toronto

00:20:03.100 and Montreal,

00:20:03.780 the job

00:20:04.120 they're doing 0.99

00:20:04.660 sucks. 0.99

00:20:06.260 So when 0.99

00:20:07.180 the job

00:20:07.920 that a

00:20:08.380 police service

00:20:09.200 is doing,

00:20:09.860 we're not

00:20:10.320 talking about

00:20:10.760 any individual

00:20:11.700 officer here,

00:20:12.460 we're talking

00:20:12.700 about the

00:20:12.980 institution.

00:20:14.300 When a

00:20:14.820 police service,

00:20:15.580 whether it's

00:20:15.880 Montreal or

00:20:16.520 Toronto,

00:20:17.240 is, to use

00:20:18.000 your word, 1.00

00:20:18.920 sucking, 0.99

00:20:20.160 who reads 0.99

00:20:20.920 the Riot Act

00:20:21.860 to police?

00:20:22.760 How does

00:20:23.040 this country

00:20:24.380 work or how

00:20:24.980 is it supposed

00:20:25.380 to work?

00:20:26.580 Well, you

00:20:26.980 know,

00:20:27.500 politicians are

00:20:28.320 not supposed

00:20:28.720 to give

00:20:29.000 direction to

00:20:29.760 the police.

00:20:30.200 I mean,

00:20:30.700 that's how

00:20:31.020 Justin Trudeau

00:20:31.760 and his

00:20:32.020 government

00:20:32.340 got in

00:20:32.800 trouble with

00:20:33.420 the Jody

00:20:34.880 Wilson-Raybould

00:20:35.640 case because

00:20:36.440 they were

00:20:37.440 trying to

00:20:37.940 get her to 1.00

00:20:38.600 order the

00:20:39.140 prosecutors to

00:20:40.060 do something

00:20:40.660 about a

00:20:41.820 Liberal Party

00:20:42.340 donor and she

00:20:43.380 refused to do

00:20:44.080 that and she

00:20:44.620 was right to

00:20:45.240 refuse to do

00:20:45.900 that.

00:20:46.800 So you'd

00:20:47.380 think, you

00:20:48.220 know, people

00:20:48.900 would learn the

00:20:49.540 lesson from

00:20:50.100 that.

00:20:50.480 I think they

00:20:51.440 have, but

00:20:52.540 now they've

00:20:52.920 gone to the

00:20:53.400 opposite extreme

00:20:54.360 from getting

00:20:55.440 too far into

00:20:57.820 giving direction

00:20:58.580 to the police

00:20:59.200 and prosecutors.

00:21:00.100 Now they're

00:21:00.460 giving no

00:21:00.880 direction at

00:21:01.480 all.

00:21:02.380 Like in the

00:21:02.740 city of

00:21:03.040 Montreal where

00:21:03.600 I was just

00:21:04.120 before the

00:21:04.600 holidays, I

00:21:06.280 met with

00:21:06.660 people there

00:21:07.220 who have

00:21:07.580 been working

00:21:08.020 with the

00:21:08.380 police and

00:21:08.940 working on

00:21:09.440 the problem

00:21:10.000 that is a

00:21:10.880 big problem

00:21:11.420 in Montreal

00:21:11.980 and the

00:21:13.800 police there

00:21:14.460 are blaming

00:21:14.940 the politicians.

00:21:15.600 They're saying,

00:21:16.240 well, we've

00:21:16.480 got this

00:21:16.820 left-wing

00:21:17.320 mayor in the

00:21:18.440 form of

00:21:18.820 Valerie

00:21:19.180 Plante and

00:21:20.400 we don't

00:21:20.740 think she's

00:21:21.320 backing us

00:21:21.920 up.

00:21:22.600 She got

00:21:22.860 elected by

00:21:23.440 a lot of

00:21:23.740 the people

00:21:24.100 who are

00:21:24.380 doing the

00:21:24.720 protests.

00:21:25.800 So to 0.96

00:21:26.260 hell with

00:21:26.620 it.

00:21:26.840 We're not

00:21:27.060 going to

00:21:27.240 do anything.

00:21:28.520 And in

00:21:28.840 Toronto, you

00:21:29.880 hear the

00:21:30.220 same sort

00:21:30.720 of thing.

00:21:31.560 I think it's 1.00

00:21:32.280 bullshit. 0.99

00:21:33.080 Like at the 1.00

00:21:33.420 end of the

00:21:33.740 day, the

00:21:34.200 police have

00:21:34.840 the power

00:21:35.380 and as I

00:21:36.140 indicated a

00:21:36.700 minute ago,

00:21:37.420 have got the

00:21:37.940 laws to deal

00:21:38.580 with the

00:21:38.820 problem.

00:21:39.440 They need

00:21:39.920 to deal

00:21:40.220 with the

00:21:40.460 problem.

00:21:40.980 I don't

00:21:41.200 think Olivia

00:21:41.720 Chow or 0.97

00:21:42.820 Valerie

00:21:43.260 Plante are

00:21:44.120 going to

00:21:44.540 say I

00:21:45.140 disagree with

00:21:45.800 the police.

00:21:47.260 I think

00:21:47.880 they're going

00:21:48.140 to let the

00:21:48.460 police do

00:21:48.860 their job.

00:21:49.560 So the

00:21:49.900 police should

00:21:50.260 do their

00:21:50.540 job.

00:21:51.420 So let me

00:21:52.360 go to the

00:21:53.220 constitution and

00:21:54.260 you're the

00:21:54.900 lawyer so I

00:21:56.820 always defer

00:21:57.600 to you.

00:21:58.360 So according

00:21:59.520 to our

00:21:59.860 constitution,

00:22:00.840 all of the

00:22:01.440 cities, all

00:22:02.020 of the

00:22:02.200 towns, all

00:22:02.720 of the

00:22:03.660 hamlets and

00:22:04.860 villages of

00:22:05.280 this country

00:22:05.680 are all

00:22:06.220 creatures of

00:22:07.180 the province.

00:22:08.000 The province

00:22:08.440 is the

00:22:09.320 boss.

00:22:10.180 So wouldn't

00:22:10.800 it be fair to

00:22:11.460 say that in

00:22:12.340 this case,

00:22:13.480 if the

00:22:14.300 Montreal and

00:22:15.500 Toronto police 1.00

00:22:16.080 services suck 1.00

00:22:16.980 and somebody 0.99

00:22:18.340 on high

00:22:18.900 needs to

00:22:19.440 say something

00:22:20.140 without

00:22:20.440 interfering

00:22:21.040 directly in

00:22:22.180 their business,

00:22:22.780 but somebody

00:22:23.280 needs to

00:22:24.080 speak out,

00:22:25.680 wouldn't it

00:22:26.020 be in the

00:22:26.760 case of

00:22:27.140 Ontario, the

00:22:27.940 Premier of

00:22:28.440 Ontario, and

00:22:29.420 the same in

00:22:30.020 Quebec?

00:22:30.720 So here's my

00:22:31.380 question to you,

00:22:31.980 Warren Kinsella,

00:22:32.700 the lawyer and

00:22:34.280 the constitutional

00:22:35.380 expert.

00:22:36.580 Why aren't the

00:22:37.400 premiers of

00:22:38.100 Canada's

00:22:38.600 provinces reading

00:22:39.780 the Riot Act

00:22:40.500 to police?

00:22:42.180 Well, in the

00:22:43.800 case of Premier

00:22:45.120 Legault in

00:22:46.100 Quebec,

00:22:46.980 to give

00:22:47.960 him some

00:22:48.480 credit, which

00:22:49.120 is something I

00:22:49.660 don't do very

00:22:50.260 often, and I

00:22:50.880 don't think you

00:22:51.320 do either,

00:22:52.680 after an

00:22:53.780 imam stood

00:22:55.160 in front of

00:22:55.600 20,000 people

00:22:56.780 and called

00:22:58.040 upon God

00:23:00.500 or Allah 1.00

00:23:01.040 to kill 1.00

00:23:02.080 the Jews, 1.00

00:23:04.880 Legault was

00:23:05.460 livid and

00:23:06.680 said that the

00:23:07.300 police needed

00:23:07.840 to act,

00:23:09.180 so he

00:23:09.900 deserves some

00:23:10.460 credit for

00:23:10.860 that.

00:23:12.200 Ford has

00:23:13.360 made similar

00:23:14.460 comments

00:23:15.100 condemning

00:23:15.820 acts of

00:23:17.080 anti-Semitism

00:23:17.860 and anti-Semitic

00:23:19.040 crime in the

00:23:20.540 streets, but

00:23:22.000 I think the

00:23:22.880 most important

00:23:23.920 person really

00:23:24.980 in both of

00:23:26.260 those situations

00:23:27.280 is not the

00:23:28.120 premiers, it's

00:23:29.180 the Attorney

00:23:29.720 General.

00:23:30.660 Let me explain

00:23:31.240 why.

00:23:33.120 You know, if

00:23:34.020 somebody robs the

00:23:35.580 bank of Charles

00:23:36.320 Adler, they get

00:23:38.660 caught and there's

00:23:40.320 evidence, they get

00:23:41.400 prosecuted.

00:23:41.960 You don't have

00:23:42.840 to ask anybody's

00:23:43.740 permission.

00:23:44.480 Prosecutors can

00:23:45.220 decide whether

00:23:46.260 the evidence is

00:23:47.720 sufficient to

00:23:48.420 prosecute, but

00:23:50.240 the sections

00:23:51.760 about promoting

00:23:52.580 hate are one

00:23:53.880 of the few

00:23:54.420 sections in the

00:23:55.420 criminal code

00:23:56.340 that require the

00:23:58.120 permission of the

00:23:59.900 Attorney General

00:24:00.700 of the province

00:24:01.820 for the

00:24:02.700 prosecution to go

00:24:04.020 ahead.

00:24:05.340 And the

00:24:06.180 problem with that

00:24:07.160 is, you know,

00:24:07.700 for example, the

00:24:08.360 Section 319, the

00:24:10.360 promotion of

00:24:11.060 hatred section

00:24:11.820 has been in

00:24:14.340 place since

00:24:14.880 about 1969.

00:24:16.540 It came out of

00:24:16.980 something called

00:24:17.500 the Cohen

00:24:17.980 Commission, that

00:24:19.300 looked into hate

00:24:20.060 crimes and said,

00:24:20.860 here's how we can

00:24:21.500 deal with it.

00:24:22.640 Since 1969,

00:24:24.180 Charles, that

00:24:25.100 section has been

00:24:26.040 used maybe two

00:24:27.760 or three dozen

00:24:28.440 times, tops.

00:24:30.440 You know,

00:24:30.720 Keegster was one 1.00

00:24:31.800 and some Nazis I

00:24:34.100 went after in

00:24:34.860 Toronto was

00:24:35.860 another, but it

00:24:36.940 hasn't been used

00:24:37.520 very often.

00:24:38.660 And, you know,

00:24:39.340 the obvious

00:24:39.980 question I think

00:24:40.660 you're thinking

00:24:41.120 of right now

00:24:41.960 is, well, if

00:24:44.040 those are the

00:24:44.780 only prosecutions

00:24:45.520 that are taking

00:24:45.860 place, I compare

00:24:47.160 it to the fact

00:24:47.860 that we've had

00:24:48.380 thousands of

00:24:49.200 hate crimes,

00:24:50.060 obvious hate

00:24:50.700 crimes taking

00:24:51.160 place in the

00:24:51.760 country.

00:24:52.660 Why isn't

00:24:53.480 this resulting

00:24:54.820 in this?

00:24:56.240 You know, why

00:24:57.120 are the hate

00:24:57.500 crimes resulting

00:24:58.160 in prosecutions?

00:24:59.360 It's because of

00:24:59.940 the Attorney

00:25:00.280 Generals.

00:25:01.520 They are very

00:25:03.260 reluctant to give

00:25:04.340 permission to

00:25:06.140 prosecute in these

00:25:07.300 cases.

00:25:07.960 I don't know

00:25:08.640 why.

00:25:08.960 My suggestion

00:25:10.340 has been, and

00:25:11.820 I've written

00:25:12.140 about this, we

00:25:12.940 need to remove

00:25:13.660 the requirement

00:25:14.920 that the police

00:25:16.540 and prosecutors

00:25:17.140 have to seek the

00:25:17.960 permission of the

00:25:18.640 Attorney General.

00:25:19.660 Too much politics

00:25:20.480 gets involved.

00:25:21.640 Just prosecute it

00:25:22.720 like you would any

00:25:23.400 other section of

00:25:24.160 the criminal code,

00:25:25.140 and then the judge

00:25:26.260 and the jury can

00:25:26.980 decide what the

00:25:27.620 outcome should be,

00:25:28.340 not the Attorney

00:25:28.900 General.

00:25:29.240 So I want you to

00:25:30.580 help members of

00:25:31.540 the public here,

00:25:32.660 because there is

00:25:33.400 this notion that

00:25:34.280 if people

00:25:35.380 demonstrate, whether

00:25:36.220 it's demonstrating

00:25:36.900 in front of a

00:25:37.700 synagogue or a

00:25:39.680 Jewish bookstore,

00:25:40.540 whatever, that

00:25:41.440 there's nothing

00:25:41.980 wrong with that.

00:25:42.880 So separate it for

00:25:43.940 me, would you,

00:25:44.620 Warren?

00:25:45.620 What is the

00:25:46.880 distinction between

00:25:48.660 simply exercising

00:25:50.120 freedom of

00:25:50.840 expression, which is

00:25:52.200 sacred in a free

00:25:52.880 country like Canada,

00:25:54.180 exercising freedom

00:25:55.240 of expression, and

00:25:56.720 committing a hate

00:25:58.120 crime or involving

00:25:59.600 yourself in criminal

00:26:01.060 harassment?

00:26:01.720 There are many other

00:26:02.280 laws, but what's the

00:26:03.460 difference between

00:26:04.120 illegal and legal

00:26:05.500 when it comes to

00:26:06.480 these demonstrations?

00:26:08.260 Well, in my view,

00:26:08.940 what it should be is,

00:26:10.840 for example, the

00:26:11.760 Israeli consulate in

00:26:14.380 the City of Toronto

00:26:15.120 is at the corner of

00:26:17.340 Bloor and Yonge

00:26:18.260 Street.

00:26:18.860 It's in a prominent

00:26:19.660 location.

00:26:21.220 It's got a big

00:26:22.120 sidewalk there.

00:26:23.600 That is a proper

00:26:25.860 place to protest

00:26:27.440 Israeli government

00:26:28.460 policy.

00:26:29.340 That is a proper

00:26:30.060 place to protest

00:26:31.400 against the

00:26:32.140 policies of

00:26:33.540 Benjamin Netanyahu.

00:26:35.060 You're allowed to

00:26:35.940 do that.

00:26:37.160 In fact, I think

00:26:38.340 people who live in

00:26:39.980 that area, work in

00:26:40.800 that area, expect

00:26:41.460 that.

00:26:42.380 What is not

00:26:43.040 proper and what

00:26:44.080 is hateful is to

00:26:45.640 target a place of

00:26:46.480 worship, like a

00:26:47.580 synagogue, which is

00:26:49.580 a place where people

00:26:50.380 are at their most

00:26:51.200 vulnerable, as we

00:26:52.360 saw during the

00:26:53.080 Quebec City mosque

00:26:54.660 shooting a few

00:26:55.740 years ago.

00:26:56.860 You don't go

00:26:58.740 after a place of

00:27:00.120 worship.

00:27:00.860 You don't go

00:27:01.620 after someone's

00:27:02.440 home, as somebody

00:27:03.480 did in Winnipeg.

00:27:05.060 You don't go

00:27:06.060 after a community

00:27:07.000 center.

00:27:08.260 Like, it's okay to

00:27:09.760 oppose policies of

00:27:11.800 governments.

00:27:12.540 It's okay to do

00:27:13.400 that.

00:27:13.860 That's encouraged, to

00:27:14.980 your question, under

00:27:16.300 our Constitution.

00:27:17.280 Section 2B, you are

00:27:19.120 permitted to do

00:27:20.220 that.

00:27:21.440 You are not, or

00:27:22.940 should not be

00:27:24.260 permitted to go

00:27:24.960 after people who

00:27:26.320 are individuals

00:27:27.200 exercising their

00:27:28.300 faith, or just

00:27:29.180 going about their

00:27:29.920 lives peacefully.

00:27:31.240 And that's what's

00:27:32.000 happening, and that's

00:27:33.140 why some of us are

00:27:34.020 so critical of the

00:27:35.080 police, and are

00:27:36.060 kind of starting to

00:27:37.300 move towards becoming

00:27:38.480 anti-police, because

00:27:40.520 the police are not

00:27:41.360 protecting innocent

00:27:42.720 civilians.

00:27:44.360 So let's talk about

00:27:45.900 innocent civilians in

00:27:47.460 Gaza.

00:27:48.200 Gaza, everyone

00:27:50.700 understands that

00:27:52.120 Israel has the 0.99

00:27:53.140 right to exist.

00:27:55.300 I think everyone

00:27:55.880 understands, I mean

00:27:56.460 radicals don't 1.00

00:27:57.160 understand that, but

00:27:57.800 most people understand,

00:27:59.160 once again, the

00:27:59.580 fair-minded Canadian

00:28:00.440 is who we're

00:28:01.380 appealing to here,

00:28:02.140 fair-minded American,

00:28:03.000 anyone else who's

00:28:03.580 fair-minded, listening

00:28:04.720 or watching the

00:28:05.360 podcast.

00:28:06.220 So, yes, Israel has 0.95

00:28:08.040 the right to exist.

00:28:08.960 Yes, Israel has the 0.77

00:28:09.940 right to defend

00:28:10.540 itself.

00:28:11.560 But, but, but,

00:28:12.400 does Israel have 0.93

00:28:14.220 the right to kill 0.98

00:28:16.940 tens of thousands 0.98

00:28:18.700 now, tens of

00:28:19.740 thousands of

00:28:20.420 civilians in Gaza,

00:28:22.300 most of whom are

00:28:23.100 not Hamas, in

00:28:24.880 order to achieve

00:28:26.400 their objectives

00:28:27.300 of preserving and

00:28:28.920 protecting the

00:28:30.060 Jewish state?

00:28:31.100 Once again, I'm

00:28:31.820 asking you not to

00:28:32.880 be a partisan

00:28:34.280 pro this or pro

00:28:35.820 that, simply to

00:28:37.140 exercise your

00:28:38.920 deductive reasoning,

00:28:40.120 your logic, and

00:28:41.160 your training in

00:28:41.940 law and

00:28:42.700 international law.

00:28:43.840 Is there not

00:28:44.420 something wrong

00:28:45.140 with this picture?

00:28:45.780 Yeah, there is.

00:28:47.540 International law

00:28:48.400 accepts that,

00:28:49.440 unfortunately,

00:28:50.260 regrettably, in

00:28:51.520 any war, in every

00:28:52.580 war, civilians get 0.70

00:28:54.240 killed.

00:28:55.220 Where you get into

00:28:56.480 trouble is where

00:28:58.220 an inordinately

00:29:00.520 large number of

00:29:01.700 civilians are getting

00:29:02.560 killed.

00:29:03.660 And I think in the

00:29:04.600 early stages of this

00:29:05.540 war, we don't know

00:29:06.440 this for sure, but

00:29:07.540 we, you know, this

00:29:08.340 has been reported by

00:29:09.320 some credible news

00:29:10.980 organizations.

00:29:12.640 The Israeli

00:29:13.560 military, who,

00:29:14.980 quite frankly, dropped

00:29:15.740 the ball on October

00:29:16.460 7th, right?

00:29:17.320 They didn't even see

00:29:17.960 it coming.

00:29:18.940 They didn't protect

00:29:19.720 Israelis, were 1.00

00:29:21.100 using ordnance, they 0.85

00:29:22.620 were using bombs in 0.98

00:29:23.780 effect, dumb bombs 0.91

00:29:25.420 that had the effect

00:29:28.140 of hurting and

00:29:30.280 killing too many

00:29:31.820 innocent civilians.

00:29:33.460 Apparently, that

00:29:34.240 approach has changed,

00:29:35.320 so that's a good

00:29:35.960 thing.

00:29:36.860 But I think, you

00:29:37.500 know, getting back to

00:29:38.180 your original point,

00:29:40.020 Israeli military

00:29:40.980 policy is ultimately

00:29:42.300 dictated by the

00:29:43.320 civilians within the

00:29:44.360 Israeli government.

00:29:46.200 And the government

00:29:46.800 of Benjamin Netanyahu

00:29:48.280 is the most

00:29:49.700 furthest right

00:29:51.200 government in the

00:29:52.600 history, I think,

00:29:53.420 of Israel.

00:29:54.400 And they are just

00:29:55.540 like the wrong

00:29:56.260 government to have

00:29:57.120 in place at this

00:29:57.940 time.

00:29:58.660 So something very

00:29:59.580 interesting happened

00:30:00.520 a few days ago.

00:30:01.460 Not many people in

00:30:02.620 the media paid

00:30:03.200 attention to it.

00:30:03.900 I thought they

00:30:04.300 should.

00:30:05.200 Benny Gantz, who

00:30:06.820 is the opposition

00:30:07.780 leader to

00:30:09.480 Benjamin Netanyahu,

00:30:11.480 and has been

00:30:14.920 brought into a

00:30:15.700 coalition government

00:30:16.500 during the war,

00:30:17.560 but as a former

00:30:18.440 general in the

00:30:19.260 Israeli armed

00:30:19.860 forces, he

00:30:21.220 traveled to

00:30:22.260 Europe and the

00:30:23.200 United States to

00:30:24.120 meet with very

00:30:24.740 senior people in

00:30:25.720 government.

00:30:27.300 Netanyahu lost

00:30:28.180 his mind.

00:30:29.460 He said, how dare

00:30:30.140 you?

00:30:30.460 There's only one

00:30:31.080 person representing

00:30:31.980 Israel and so on.

00:30:33.780 And I think what

00:30:34.360 Gantz was doing by

00:30:35.860 traveling and meeting

00:30:37.140 with senior people and

00:30:38.400 what those senior

00:30:38.960 people in the United

00:30:40.820 States, for example,

00:30:41.760 were saying was, we're

00:30:43.440 looking past Netanyahu.

00:30:45.040 We want to change.

00:30:46.600 This week, Biden, his

00:30:49.920 frustration with

00:30:50.760 Netanyahu burst out

00:30:52.060 into the open and he

00:30:53.200 was much more critical

00:30:54.160 or they allowed a leak

00:30:55.100 to get out where he was

00:30:56.400 much more critical.

00:30:58.800 Chuck Schumer, who is

00:30:59.960 the most senior, actually

00:31:01.580 he's one of the most

00:31:02.160 powerful Jews on the

00:31:03.220 planet, came out and

00:31:05.840 was highly critical of

00:31:06.980 Netanyahu's government.

00:31:08.460 And Blinken did the 0.87

00:31:09.280 same thing, I think,

00:31:10.420 just last night.

00:31:12.600 So, you know, the

00:31:14.080 three most powerful

00:31:15.700 people on the planet

00:31:17.640 who Netanyahu should

00:31:19.340 really, really be

00:31:20.500 paying attention to what

00:31:21.360 those guys are saying,

00:31:22.480 they're now publicly

00:31:23.360 saying what they've been

00:31:24.200 saying privately, which

00:31:25.780 is that Netanyahu needs

00:31:27.400 to go and that the war,

00:31:29.620 they need to, you know,

00:31:31.500 wrap this up as quickly

00:31:32.480 as possible.

00:31:33.440 Blinken is Secretary of

00:31:35.000 State in the Joe Biden

00:31:36.580 administration.

00:31:38.280 So, something else

00:31:40.220 that needs to be said

00:31:41.240 here, just to keep

00:31:42.840 the large perspective.

00:31:45.020 Why is it important

00:31:45.980 for the United States,

00:31:47.660 I'm not just talking

00:31:48.300 about Joe Biden's

00:31:49.400 campaign against

00:31:50.000 Donald Trump, much

00:31:51.280 bigger picture here.

00:31:52.380 Why is it important

00:31:53.340 for the United States

00:31:54.760 to stop Netanyahu's 0.88

00:31:58.000 conduct of this war

00:32:00.120 in Gaza?

00:32:01.480 Because Israel needs 0.98

00:32:03.060 the support of moderate

00:32:05.080 democratic governments

00:32:06.300 around the world.

00:32:07.220 Israel cannot go out 0.98

00:32:08.280 alone, and they

00:32:09.400 particularly cannot go

00:32:10.720 out without the support

00:32:11.900 militarily and financially

00:32:13.660 and diplomatically of

00:32:14.900 the United States of

00:32:15.660 America.

00:32:16.180 They can't.

00:32:17.620 And, you know, Golda

00:32:18.760 Mayer, there's a 0.93

00:32:19.620 wonderful movie that

00:32:21.240 just came out, I

00:32:21.860 encourage everybody to

00:32:22.720 see about Golda, who

00:32:24.360 went through a similar

00:32:25.260 crisis during the

00:32:27.200 Yom Kippur War 50

00:32:28.280 years ago.

00:32:29.740 And, you know, they've

00:32:30.400 got scenes where she's

00:32:31.560 being visited by Henry

00:32:32.620 Kissinger, and Henry's

00:32:33.900 saying to her, you

00:32:35.100 know, Goldie, you've

00:32:35.840 got to cool it, and

00:32:37.260 she's saying, back off,

00:32:39.120 you're going to do my

00:32:39.640 thing.

00:32:40.880 That was Golda Mayer.

00:32:42.420 You know, she's just

00:32:43.140 more, much more capable

00:32:44.840 leader than Netanyahu

00:32:46.580 ever will be.

00:32:48.920 They have to listen to

00:32:50.340 the Americans. 1.00

00:32:51.480 They don't give a shit 1.00

00:32:52.260 what Canada has to say, 1.00

00:32:53.800 or, you know, Sweden,

00:32:55.880 you know, both of whom

00:32:57.500 announced to reinstate

00:32:59.260 the funding to UNRWA.

00:33:01.100 They've got to care about

00:33:01.960 the United States.

00:33:03.300 I think Netanyahu, like,

00:33:05.380 I think the writing's on

00:33:06.260 the wall.

00:33:07.240 Benny Gantz is meeting

00:33:08.260 with foreign leaders.

00:33:10.460 You've got the United

00:33:11.480 States openly saying he's

00:33:13.060 got to go.

00:33:14.240 I just do not see

00:33:15.580 Netanyahu surviving.

00:33:16.800 And that's leaving aside

00:33:17.640 the fact that he's facing

00:33:18.500 three corruption

00:33:19.260 proceedings that he's

00:33:20.780 been trying madly to

00:33:21.940 stop for a number of

00:33:22.880 years now, and they're

00:33:24.100 serious corruption

00:33:25.180 prosecutions.

00:33:26.120 So I think he's a

00:33:27.140 goner.

00:33:27.560 And we should mention

00:33:29.220 that regardless of what

00:33:31.740 people may think of

00:33:32.800 Israel's foreign policy

00:33:33.800 currently in Gaza, as far

00:33:35.420 as justice is concerned,

00:33:37.240 the Israelis are not 1.00

00:33:38.380 timid about prosecuting

00:33:40.740 prime ministers, former

00:33:42.040 prime ministers.

00:33:43.020 A former prime minister

00:33:43.880 did do prison time in

00:33:45.560 Israel.

00:33:46.080 So it's a country that

00:33:48.100 takes that seriously, and

00:33:49.280 it's also taken seriously

00:33:50.740 by Netanyahu that the

00:33:52.040 moment he's no longer in

00:33:53.620 power, there's a very good

00:33:54.980 chance that he'll be in

00:33:55.900 leg irons, handcuffs, and

00:33:58.020 in prison.

00:33:58.860 So this, to him, is about

00:34:01.340 his personal freedom as

00:34:02.820 well.

00:34:03.620 So Warren, help me with

00:34:05.480 this.

00:34:06.440 In light of everything that

00:34:08.000 we're talking about,

00:34:09.000 Israel cannot become a 1.00

00:34:10.640 world pariah.

00:34:11.740 Israel needs the United 0.97

00:34:12.700 States.

00:34:13.520 The United States wants

00:34:14.540 Netanyahu to move on or

00:34:16.700 move out or both.

00:34:18.720 Why is it that he still

00:34:20.160 has a large degree of

00:34:22.460 popularity inside Israel?

00:34:24.460 Do the Israeli people not 0.99

00:34:26.620 see the threat to Israel's 0.98

00:34:28.640 future and having

00:34:29.520 Netanyahu as boss?

00:34:31.840 He doesn't anymore.

00:34:33.180 Like, honest to God, he

00:34:34.420 doesn't.

00:34:35.020 You know, I've looked at

00:34:35.600 the polling, my firm, the

00:34:36.780 DAISY Group, we do lots

00:34:38.300 of polling, we write

00:34:39.240 questionnaires for people.

00:34:40.900 The polling since October

00:34:42.180 7th has shown the vast

00:34:44.260 majority of Israelis, I'm

00:34:45.820 talking 80 plus percent,

00:34:47.820 want him gone.

00:34:49.200 Even before October 7th,

00:34:51.580 Charles, the biggest

00:34:53.260 protests in Israeli

00:34:54.580 history were against

00:34:56.360 Netanyahu and the

00:34:57.820 judicial, so-called

00:34:58.780 judicial reforms that he

00:35:00.260 was trying to jam

00:35:01.200 through.

00:35:02.440 They're completely

00:35:03.300 unconstitutional and

00:35:04.360 giving him an

00:35:05.200 extraordinary amount of

00:35:06.220 power.

00:35:07.920 Like, the Israelis were 1.00

00:35:08.880 rising up against him

00:35:10.040 already.

00:35:10.520 And the hostage families

00:35:11.820 who, you know, I've met

00:35:13.760 with some of these people,

00:35:14.900 it just breaks your heart,

00:35:16.040 your heart, the pain that

00:35:18.040 they experience.

00:35:19.620 They're protesting in front

00:35:21.260 of Netanyahu's house every

00:35:22.880 single night.

00:35:24.880 He's lost basically every

00:35:26.880 constituency, except for

00:35:28.660 some of these isolationist,

00:35:30.420 protectionist, far-right

00:35:31.780 religious parties.

00:35:33.980 It's not enough to sustain

00:35:35.660 him anymore.

00:35:36.760 I really believe that he is a

00:35:38.220 goner.

00:35:38.980 So any support that he would

00:35:40.640 have had when he formed a

00:35:42.220 government, that is now, it's

00:35:44.040 gone.

00:35:44.280 October 7th changed

00:35:45.440 everything.

00:35:46.620 Just a few minutes left, I

00:35:47.480 want to bring it home to

00:35:48.500 Canada, Warren Kinsella.

00:35:50.900 Pierre Polyev in British

00:35:52.380 Columbia recently said that

00:35:54.020 he didn't care what

00:35:55.800 corporations had to say

00:35:57.180 about many, many things,

00:35:58.720 that he wasn't paying

00:35:59.760 attention to corporations.

00:36:01.180 He was paying attention to

00:36:03.000 the working class.

00:36:04.980 What does that say to you

00:36:06.140 about Polyev's campaign?

00:36:08.340 And how does Warren

00:36:09.840 Kinsella judge the idea of

00:36:12.420 the Conservatives posing

00:36:14.020 as NDPers?

00:36:17.020 Well, the proof's in the

00:36:18.100 pudding.

00:36:19.620 You know, full disclosure,

00:36:20.740 I've represented, I've been

00:36:21.900 proud to represent

00:36:22.960 LIUNA, the biggest trade

00:36:25.420 union in North America,

00:36:26.980 the Laborers International

00:36:28.080 Union in North America.

00:36:29.360 I've represented them for

00:36:30.140 years.

00:36:31.320 And LIUNA, along with about

00:36:34.200 15 other trade unions,

00:36:36.640 ended up endorsing the Doug

00:36:38.580 Ford government in the last

00:36:40.120 two elections in Ontario.

00:36:42.960 And why did they do that?

00:36:44.720 It's because Ford has had

00:36:46.500 some very progressive labor

00:36:48.000 policies, kind of stuff you'd

00:36:49.840 actually see from an NDP

00:36:51.160 government in the past.

00:36:52.880 I think what Polyev is trying

00:36:55.060 to do is kind of copy, do a

00:36:59.380 carbon copy of what Ford has

00:37:01.600 done.

00:37:01.900 The problem he's got is I

00:37:04.380 just, I'm not clear on

00:37:06.580 whether, you know, a lot of

00:37:07.840 unions believe him.

00:37:09.720 I actually, you know, and I do

00:37:11.720 lobby work.

00:37:12.660 I liked it when Polyev said

00:37:14.560 corporate lobbyists aren't going

00:37:15.940 to like me because I'm not going

00:37:17.040 to pay attention to them.

00:37:17.940 I'm going to pay attention to

00:37:18.840 regular people.

00:37:20.140 Politicians say stuff like that

00:37:21.440 all the time.

00:37:21.980 But that would be nice if that

00:37:24.200 actually were to happen.

00:37:26.260 So I guess the jury's, the jury's

00:37:28.620 out.

00:37:28.820 I'm sorry, I'm just too old

00:37:31.900 Warren.

00:37:32.380 I, you know, I've just been

00:37:33.200 on for too long.

00:37:34.420 The idea that, and this goes,

00:37:35.820 this is not about conservatives,

00:37:37.320 whether it's, you know, if a

00:37:38.260 liberal said they wouldn't pay

00:37:40.860 attention to corporate

00:37:41.460 lobbyists.

00:37:42.820 Lobbyists run this country, and

00:37:44.400 this isn't some conspiracy

00:37:45.840 theory of mine.

00:37:47.120 All governments, yes, NDP

00:37:49.000 governments as well,

00:37:50.020 provincially pay attention to

00:37:51.560 lobbyists.

00:37:52.340 You know all about the lobby

00:37:53.760 business.

00:37:54.340 At times you're a lobbyist

00:37:55.320 yourself.

00:37:55.620 The idea that governments will

00:37:57.440 ignore lobbyists.

00:37:59.200 Is, is a crock.

00:38:00.380 I mean, it's probably the

00:38:00.960 biggest crock I've ever heard

00:38:01.900 in my life.

00:38:03.040 Yeah.

00:38:03.440 Like I say, it was nice.

00:38:05.160 It's a nice thought.

00:38:07.100 We'll, we'll see.

00:38:08.900 I mean, one of his advisors is

00:38:10.800 the top lobbyist for Huawei.

00:38:12.740 And he said he wouldn't, he

00:38:14.140 wouldn't listen to Huawei

00:38:15.020 either.

00:38:15.900 So like, uh, yeah, no, you're

00:38:18.020 absolutely right.

00:38:18.560 They all say the same thing.

00:38:20.080 Liberals, Tories, New

00:38:21.100 Democrats, they're not going to

00:38:22.220 listen to lobbyists and then

00:38:23.400 they end up doing so.

00:38:24.500 Um, but on the union piece, if

00:38:27.720 he's serious and he does what

00:38:29.880 Ford did, cause nobody believed

00:38:31.260 Ford would actually pull it

00:38:32.640 off.

00:38:33.000 And he did.

00:38:34.320 Um, I think that would be a

00:38:35.740 good thing.

00:38:36.240 And I, you know, I'm biased.

00:38:37.340 I represent this big trade union

00:38:39.560 and I'm proud to do so.

00:38:41.160 So, but I think, uh, I think

00:38:42.980 they would pretty good, you

00:38:44.060 know, pretty good thing.

00:38:45.280 It would be for politicians to

00:38:46.820 listen a bit more to some of the

00:38:48.620 union folks and not just some

00:38:50.000 lobbyists.

00:38:50.660 And in full transparency, in

00:38:52.160 full transparency, you're not

00:38:53.800 unfriendly with, uh, with Doug

00:38:56.080 Ford and you and Doug Ford have

00:38:57.140 had a pretty good relationship

00:38:58.840 over the years.

00:38:59.760 All right.

00:39:00.060 He's a friend.

00:39:00.880 We used to be arch enemies.

00:39:02.740 Yeah.

00:39:03.140 And, uh, he called me at some

00:39:06.140 very difficult points in my life

00:39:07.800 and, uh, you know, you, you know

00:39:10.760 how it is.

00:39:11.220 You remember stuff like that.

00:39:12.340 He didn't call me about policy.

00:39:13.380 He didn't have to, I'd been 0.99

00:39:14.640 kicking the shit out of him in 0.98

00:39:15.900 the media and I was down and he 0.99

00:39:18.980 gave me a call and he was a

00:39:21.240 human being.

00:39:22.200 And so I guess that's the big

00:39:23.720 question here is, is Polly have a 1.00

00:39:25.520 human being?

00:39:26.080 Is he going to be kind to humans

00:39:28.040 so far, so far, so far, the

00:39:31.500 evidence is not good.

00:39:33.380 Uh, the evidence is not good in

00:39:35.220 that regard.

00:39:36.380 Uh, sometimes they can surprise

00:39:37.880 you, but, um, you know, so far

00:39:40.160 it's just words.

00:39:41.320 Folks, you will not get this on

00:39:43.040 any other podcast where a

00:39:45.180 significant guest says, we don't

00:39:47.160 know whether or not a person who

00:39:49.060 is perceived as possibly a prime

00:39:50.820 minister in waiting.

00:39:51.580 We really don't know whether he's

00:39:52.820 going to be kind to human beings.

00:39:55.960 So on that, on that happy note,

00:39:59.560 uh, Warren Kinsella, thank you so

00:40:01.060 much.

00:40:01.580 Thank you, fellow human.

00:40:03.720 I'm Charles Adler, a human being.

00:40:10.160 We'll see you next time.

00:40:11.420 We'll be right back.

00:40:41.420 We'll be right back.

00:41:11.420 We'll be right back.

00:41:41.400 We'll be right back.

00:42:11.380 We'll be right back.

00:42:41.360 We'll be right back.

00:43:11.340 We'll be right back.

00:43:41.340 We'll be right back.

00:43:43.340 And we're back with Brian Milley.

00:43:45.740 Brian, is Justin Trudeau bored or is it some other word?

00:43:51.640 What is the word?

00:43:52.680 Tell us what's going on here that's got everybody shaking their head and wondering what he said.

00:43:58.020 Well, on Friday, Trudeau did a radio interview with Alec Castongueh, a guy who I worked alongside with for years, very good journalist out of Montreal.

00:44:08.740 He was on the Hill for years back in Montreal interviewing Trudeau and Trudeau's talking about how he thinks about quitting his job every day.

00:44:18.380 How it's really hard for him.

00:44:48.380 Saturday morning, the PMO spent a lot of time, including using Trudeau Foundation mentor Chantilly Bear and others to say, oh, no, this is translated wrong.

00:45:00.840 It means tough. It's a hard job.

00:45:03.840 Why would he say, why would he say it's super tough, you know, using the English idiom in French and then say it's tough again in French?

00:45:11.080 And so they kept claiming that this person at BBC who translated it didn't know French, didn't know Québécois French.

00:45:20.440 It's Jessica Murphy, who I worked with years ago.

00:45:24.180 She's a St. Lambert gal, perfectly bilingual, absolutely bilingual.

00:45:29.960 And, you know, she was not the only one that translated it that way.

00:45:34.900 So it was a bit bizarre.

00:45:37.480 It was a bizarrely Canadian political scandal.

00:45:41.560 But you had Supriya Diwali, the new comms genius at PMO, going around challenging everyone, claiming that for me, saying, you know, sticking up for Murphy, that I was attacking a woman of color by challenging Supriya.

00:45:58.220 I mean, this is the type of thing that PMO was doing.

00:46:01.180 By the way, while they were doing that, Pierre Polyev was hosting a rally in Frederickton for 2,000 people.

00:46:07.420 And he's done a little bit more today.

00:46:09.680 So, yeah, so there, that's the point I wanted to make, because it's just typical Ottawa.

00:46:13.960 It's Ottawa talking about something when they should be talking about something else, which was the part of his interview, the one part that's not disputed, is what I thought much more significant, where he said, I think about quitting every day.

00:46:28.620 Yeah, that's not good.

00:46:30.580 That's bigger news.

00:46:31.480 Yeah, and, I mean, well, tell us why it's not good.

00:46:34.240 To me, it's, I think he's telling the truth.

00:46:37.360 And what does it mean for him?

00:46:39.220 What does it mean for us?

00:46:40.700 You just want to talk about the fact that you think he's leaving, and I don't.

00:46:45.100 I do.

00:46:45.780 I do.

00:46:46.820 Indulge me.

00:46:47.740 Tell me, I mean, if he's admitting that, I mean, it's part of the way there, I think.

00:46:55.240 Except that he also talked about why he has to stay and why he won't be leaving.

00:47:01.600 And my colleague, Laurie Goldstein, our colleague, Laurie Goldstein, he put it really well.

00:47:07.380 I'm just looking for the quote from Laurie's column where he said, Trudeau apparently thinks

00:47:14.340 that without his compassionate, wise, and courageous leadership, Canada will collapse

00:47:18.660 into a tyranny-loving, climate-denying, human rights-abricating backwater.

00:47:24.500 And yeah, so this is why I don't think he will leave.

00:47:28.800 He has a messianic complex.

00:47:31.940 Only he can save us from ourselves.

00:47:33.740 Yeah, no, he, but he, God knows, he's not alone among politicians in thinking that. 1.00

00:47:41.160 They all think the sun shines out of their ass. 0.99

00:47:43.840 But it just, you know, to me, it comes back, to me, in politics, the simplest explanation 0.99

00:47:47.980 is always the best one.

00:47:49.540 And the simplest explanation is polls have been showing for most of the year now that he's 0.99

00:47:54.040 going to get his ass kicked if he sticks around, and he knows that's what's going to 0.99

00:47:59.480 happen. 1.00

00:47:59.920 It's not going to change.

00:48:00.780 It's not going to change with the budget.

00:48:01.940 It's not going to change with some kind of magic deal on carbon tax.

00:48:06.420 Like, there's no way out.

00:48:07.740 The house is on fire.

00:48:09.400 He's going around.

00:48:10.340 He's trying to get women back. 0.98

00:48:13.020 He's claiming there's a national pharmacare deal.

00:48:15.700 There's not.

00:48:16.220 It's not national.

00:48:17.140 It's not universal.

00:48:18.060 And it's not pharmacare.

00:48:19.140 It covers contraceptives and insulin.

00:48:24.020 Well, diabetes medications.

00:48:25.740 More important for diabetics out there, they'll all know this.

00:48:28.820 What's more important than getting the insulin covered is all the supplies, like the syringes,

00:48:34.540 the test kits, the strips, all of that, because that's more expensive.

00:48:39.080 But he's mainly going around trying to convince women to vote for him again, because they've

00:48:44.600 left him, like everybody else, by saying, I'll pay for your contraceptives. 0.88

00:48:49.260 And we all know how expensive contraceptives are.

00:48:54.120 They're not really that expensive.

00:48:56.940 And I'm not sure that this is the winning issue, but he wants to go into the next election saying,

00:49:01.500 if you vote for Pierre Polyev, he'll rip up our national pharmacare plan, which doesn't exist,

00:49:08.820 and you won't get your contraceptives paid for.

00:49:11.180 And by the way, abortion will be banned.

00:49:12.640 And by the way, in places like Ontario, most of the contraceptives are paid for already.

00:49:18.380 But let's defend him for a minute.

00:49:22.040 You were at a protest.

00:49:25.380 He had a Liberal Party fundraiser at the upscale King Edward Hotel.

00:49:31.700 Love the King Eddie.

00:49:33.060 Yeah, great place.

00:49:34.060 King Street, just near Yonge, lovely place.

00:49:37.020 And a mob descended on it and decided they wanted to shut down the Prime Minister's event.

00:49:44.700 Were they successful?

00:49:45.720 And what did you think about how they conducted themselves?

00:49:48.920 I think the protesters conducted themselves horribly once again.

00:49:53.620 The Toronto police showed up.

00:49:55.400 Excuse me.

00:49:56.200 Suddenly I'm losing my voice.

00:49:57.480 Bit of a cold.

00:49:59.860 Toronto police showed up and did their job, or they put in the column,

00:50:02.980 perhaps they were allowed to do their job this time, because you remember back a couple

00:50:09.500 of weeks ago, Trudeau's reception with the Italian Prime Minister was shut down.

00:50:14.780 And that's because Toronto police did not have a plan.

00:50:17.680 They didn't have barricades.

00:50:18.880 They didn't have stanchions.

00:50:20.240 I went down to the King Eddie area on Friday morning.

00:50:24.840 Good excuse to go have a nice breakfast at the patrician.

00:50:28.580 And I toured around the King Eddie, and I saw something that made me say,

00:50:34.000 OK, yeah, they're going to do their job this time.

00:50:36.060 Around the corner on Victoria Street was a whole trailer filled with the metal barricades.

00:50:42.040 And by five o'clock, those were up, and they were not letting protesters control the entrances

00:50:47.140 and exits to the hotel.

00:50:49.420 That's what they failed to do at the HEO.

00:50:51.760 So, you know, you still had them declaring, there is only one solution, Intifada revolution.

00:51:00.700 You know, I find that a pretty disturbing chant in the street.

00:51:03.780 Now, imagine you're a Jew in this country, hearing there is only one solution.

00:51:09.260 Really uncomfortable.

00:51:11.740 So they were chanting that.

00:51:13.120 They were chanting, we are the Intifada.

00:51:14.780 They were chanting, from the river to the sea.

00:51:16.880 I mean, all the genocidal hits were out.

00:51:18.680 But there was one thing that you saw, you shot some really important video on it,

00:51:26.320 your coverage, that upset you, and you thought was very objectionable,

00:51:30.260 which was a sign, or signs, accusing Justin Trudeau, what do they call him?

00:51:35.500 Genocide Justin?

00:51:36.960 They call him Genocide Justin.

00:51:38.380 You were against that.

00:51:39.260 Why?

00:51:40.580 Because it's simply not true.

00:51:42.060 You know, it's like when you get these protests comparing whatever leader they don't like to Hitler.

00:51:49.220 They used to do it to Stephen Harper all the time, claiming he was Hitler.

00:51:52.480 Stephen Harper was not Hitler.

00:51:54.040 Not even close.

00:51:54.900 Nowhere near it.

00:51:55.840 And it's revolting.

00:51:57.400 And claiming that Justin Trudeau, they would chant,

00:52:00.520 Justin Trudeau, you can't hide, something, something genocide.

00:52:05.360 And they would claim he has blood on his hands.

00:52:09.480 He doesn't.

00:52:10.940 He's not responsible for the war against Hamas in Gaza.

00:52:16.920 You know, if you want to blame somebody, blame the people that you're cheering on, which is Hamas. 0.78

00:52:22.800 And yes, they are cheering on Hamas, because when you're cheering about the Intifada revolution in this context,

00:52:29.520 you're cheering on Hamas.

00:52:30.860 So, you know, I found that completely disgusting. 0.85

KINSELLACAST 303： Symbols of hate with Lilley, Belanger, Adler (twice) - plus Sprints, New Dad, Fontaines DC, Lisa O'Neill

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