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00:00:00.000 It's the Kinsella Cast, starring Warren Kinsella.

00:00:18.920 Hey, it's Warren. Welcome to the Kinsella Cast.

00:00:23.360 And we're back. We're back from Jamaica.

00:00:26.640 We've had a great week.

00:00:27.700 Well, except for the sand fleas.

00:00:30.480 I've bitten my sand fleas and Jamaican mosquitoes, 1.00

00:00:33.980 which are tougher mosquitoes than we've got, believe me.

00:00:36.680 So I'm going to have dengue fever and die.

00:00:38.600 So it's been nice knowing you.

00:00:40.600 No, just kidding. We had a good shrimp.

00:00:42.900 And it was 31 degrees exactly every single day.

00:00:47.320 But we're back and ready to get back into the fight.

00:00:52.020 Didn't anticipate the fight that opened up last night.

00:00:55.440 We won't talk about that in just a minute.

00:00:58.560 But came back to great news.

00:01:00.480 Won a legal victory against someone who accused us of genocide.

00:01:08.340 And so that story may or may not get told sometime soon.

00:01:16.240 Still deciding.

00:01:17.720 And got some other great, great, great news, which I can't reveal just yet.

00:01:23.620 And, but it's good to be back.

00:01:26.020 And I've got a great show for you.

00:01:28.780 You've got Brian Lilly and I talking about the events of the past few days.

00:01:32.700 Charles Adler and I did not because we spoke when I was in Jamaica.

00:01:37.040 I was in the waiting area at the Kingston Airport in Jamaica.

00:01:41.460 And the attack by Iran on Israel hadn't happened yet.

00:01:48.240 But it was just hours away.

00:01:53.000 Tasha Carradine and I are on with Andrew Pinson talking about it.

00:01:56.680 And, you know, that is the big news.

00:01:59.960 But I've got some leftover Jamaican tunes.

00:02:04.780 I've got the Wailers.

00:02:06.440 I've got Hozba Lawrence, Gold Spoon. 0.81

00:02:09.420 But I've also got Israel Vibration, which seems appropriate, given the events of this weekend.

00:02:16.340 And then I've got one song.

00:02:17.420 I actually own this single going back to the Reagan years.

00:02:23.720 And I bought it as kind of a novelty and kept it by the Scudseys, this joke song called Bomberan.

00:02:33.900 And it was funny at the time.

00:02:38.900 Now I think it's prescient because I think that's what's going to happen.

00:02:43.340 So anyway, welcome to KinsellaCast.

00:02:45.720 And the question I had when I was sitting on the plane, I've been talking to a smart friend.

00:02:51.420 Like, is this the end finally, at long last, of multiculturalism? 0.59

00:02:56.900 Like, as Iran launched hundreds of missiles and drones at Israel, our ally, what was happening in Canada? 0.98

00:03:06.460 In Toronto, the pro-Hamas assholes were firing off smoke grenades downtown around the Union Station. 0.98

00:03:15.500 And they celebrated Iran's act of war. 1.00

00:03:20.220 Some asshole shouted over a loudspeaker, Iran has just launched drones towards Israel. 1.00

00:03:25.520 And the crowd cheered loudly. 1.00

00:03:29.320 They applauded.

00:03:30.360 They looked deliriously happy.

00:03:32.900 Like, is this what multiculturalism has brought us to? 0.96

00:03:36.380 Like, for a long time, believing in multiculturalism did not render you a libtard or a cultural Marxist 0.98

00:03:44.300 or any of the other stupid things that often get said about those who believe in multiculturalism. 0.96

00:03:49.480 Like, in my case, you know, my political home for years was the Liberal Party of Canada. 0.99

00:03:54.240 And I was a supporter of multiculturalism.

00:03:56.860 And I believed in it.

00:03:58.020 I wasn't alone.

00:03:59.440 Many of us thought multiculturalism was a good thing.

00:04:02.080 For card-carrying liberals in particular, multiculturalism was part of our catechism.

00:04:07.900 Like, we even put it in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, Section 27.

00:04:11.660 The word defines itself.

00:04:13.480 Multiculturalism is a policy that encourages people to preserve and promote the cultures from where they come.

00:04:20.180 It's the opposite of the American melting pot, which encourages completely embracing the culture and values that define America.

00:04:28.100 No other values.

00:04:29.380 And Canadians have always had a tendency to like multiculturalism even more, I think, because it wasn't American.

00:04:36.920 Anyway, newcomers to Canada, whether they be immigrants or refugees, or the Canadian-born children of immigrants or refugees,

00:04:44.860 were encouraged to preserve their unique cultural traditions here, whether, you know, it's waving around a Palestinian flag or whatever.

00:04:53.500 We were such believers in multiculturalism.

00:04:55.720 In fact, we supported using government money to fund it.

00:04:59.380 And for years we've done that, under liberal, NDP, conservative governments, all levels.

00:05:04.800 And some of the multi-cult projects that governments have funded caused scandals.

00:05:09.500 Like, for example, the formerly governing B.C. liberals were caught spending millions on multicultural events that leaked documents showed.

00:05:17.460 We're actually designed to be quick wins for the party, paid for by taxpayers.

00:05:22.880 And that became the suspicion that I think a lot of people had about multiculturalism that was designed to help out political parties, not people.

00:05:31.340 In exchange for supporting multiculturalism, however, in exchange for funding it, the likes of me asked for just one thing.

00:05:40.640 In exchange.

00:05:42.460 Obey our laws.

00:05:44.100 Be civil.

00:05:45.480 Embrace that most Canadian of principles.

00:05:48.260 Peace, order, and good government.

00:05:50.260 And the vast majority did.

00:05:52.180 Newcomers did.

00:05:52.900 And the bargain was fair.

00:05:55.660 In exchange for Canadian citizenship, you'd leave behind those beliefs and behaviors that disturbed the peace.

00:06:01.560 Which were probably the things you wanted to escape by coming to Canada in the first place.

00:06:05.160 Anyway, all good, fine, and then something terrible happened.

00:06:08.460 Something beyond words.

00:06:10.100 June 1985.

00:06:12.420 Air India Flight 182 was blown out of the sky above the Atlantic Ocean.

00:06:17.860 The plane had started its journey in Montreal.

00:06:22.180 And everybody aboard, 329 innocent men, women, and children were slaughtered.

00:06:29.900 They were murdered. 0.98

00:06:30.980 They were murdered, a bunch of investigations concluded, by some madmen who had come to Canada and brought black hate in their hearts. 0.97

00:06:42.380 They were Sikhs, but it wouldn't have actually mattered if they were Catholics, Hindus, Seventh-day Adventists. 0.96

00:06:48.060 All that mattered is they came to the multicultural paradise that is Canada, and they commenced the process of destroying multiculturalism. 0.65

00:06:58.880 And others have followed in their foul wake.

00:07:02.000 Others from other places have hacked away at the multicultural dream.

00:07:06.540 And by 2023, there wasn't much left of it.

00:07:08.860 And then on October 7th, multiculturalism breathed its last, I think, sadly.

00:07:15.560 As word spread, as we learned that Hamas terrorists had invaded progressive farm communities in Israel and raped and tortured and killed hundreds of innocent people and kidnapped scores more, something else happened here in Canada.

00:07:29.980 In Mississauga, Ontario, people, who are newcomers to Canada, it looked like, but definitely people who don't deserve to call themselves Canadian, celebrated. 0.98

00:07:42.680 At the intersection of Ridgeway Drive and Eglinton in Mississauga, a large crowd of all ages gathered to celebrate the barbarity of October 7th.

00:07:52.980 They honked horns and cheered for Hamas' mass murder, they waved Palestinian flags, they handed out sweets.

00:08:00.120 It wasn't a one-off.

00:08:02.740 It wasn't an outlier.

00:08:04.420 In the days since, there have been many, many other such displays of inhumanity and cruelty, almost entirely aimed at Canada's puny Jewish community. 1.00

00:08:15.000 There have been crimes, like firebombing of synagogues and shooting at schools and attacks on Jews, but there have been other things, too, which don't amount to crimes, possibly, but are specifically designed to make Jews feel just as unwelcome and isolated and scared.

00:08:33.060 Marches through their neighborhoods. 0.99

00:08:35.640 Epithets screamed at the elderly Jews who lived there.

00:08:38.540 blocking access to hospitals that Jews support, chanting calls for genocide and violent revolution, demanding that references to Jewish traditions be erased in universities and elsewhere and replaced by that of others.

00:08:54.540 And now, hundreds cheering on Iran's attack on Israel, right out in the open, proudly. 0.85

00:09:03.120 Have these terrible things been done in the name of multiculturalism? 1.00

00:09:07.780 No, I don't think so.

00:09:10.280 But multiculturalism was naive, I now believe. 1.00

00:09:14.140 It let its guard down.

00:09:16.160 It persuaded us that every single newcomer would come here and treat every other culture with dignity and respect.

00:09:23.680 They didn't.

00:09:25.340 They haven't.

00:09:27.180 A minority, hearts of hate beating in their chests, came here to hate some more.

00:09:34.500 Well, multiculturalism was an experiment, and it was an experiment that hasn't worked out.

00:09:41.820 We are, as the saying goes, a country of immigrants, yes.

00:09:45.980 That should not change. 0.98

00:09:47.920 But the ones who come here to spread hate, it's time to kick them out. 0.99

00:09:52.840 Bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum. 0.99

00:10:10.040 We can't give a damn, we found Japan, we bought a Vietnam number of gold and red, 0.96

00:10:15.240 bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop. 0.88

00:10:19.640 We will never scream, and now we're gonna buy a banner, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop.

00:10:24.140 We'll be right back.

00:10:54.140 We'll be right back.

00:11:24.140 We'll be right back.

00:11:45.520 and we're back and i'm back in north america and brian lilly has not left north america at least

00:12:05.000 to my knowledge um but brian if you had if you were flying a reconnaissance plane and i wouldn't

00:12:12.200 put that past you because you know how to do so many things if you'd been watching iran's attack

00:12:18.500 on israel last night as a war correspondent what would you say how would you analyze what took place 0.96

00:12:25.760 in the past 24 hours uh well the uh the iranian attack was foolish and they will end up regretting

00:12:36.080 it but they are declaring it a success in tehran and uh they will do that by saying they have struck 0.81

00:12:42.600 the zionist entity they have struck the the little satan that um they're showing them who's boss 0.97

00:12:49.760 iran's you know their vision of themselves is much grander than it is but the regime in tehran wants

00:12:57.660 to be a regional power excuse me in many ways they want to be a world power and that

00:13:04.860 it's how they project themselves now they're not they are a cancer in the region they are a

00:13:12.220 destabilizing force but they're declaring victory and you know israel can't let that stand i remember 0.74

00:13:18.860 speaking with a retired idf officer describing what it was like when um in one of the previous wars in

00:13:27.540 gaza where they uh israel went in and did the what do they call it uh the reasonable or restrained

00:13:36.480 response to something hamas had done and and so didn't destroy hamas and then at the end um despite

00:13:44.840 crippling them despite a a very robust response the hamas leadership come out on the rooftop uh above a 0.75

00:13:52.900 public square uh make the victory sign and the people of gaza treat them as if they have won and

00:14:01.160 that is i don't know that the people of iran who are fed up with their own regime will feel that way

00:14:08.960 but iran is using this strike to try and uh bolster their image and their standing but how can they do

00:14:16.860 that like you know i've got written books about outlaw arab nations like iran going back to 1992

00:14:22.020 and there is a tendency um well iran is not an outlaw arab nation it's outlaw persian nation

00:14:29.040 but you know regionally it is like it's always this excessive language you know just over the top

00:14:35.680 adjectives and you know the zionist entity and we've destroyed them and so on like just by objectively 1.00

00:14:41.440 like not 99 of the the cruise missiles and the drones were taken out by the israelis by the brits

00:14:50.520 by the french and and the jordanians and the saudis actively assisted israel in what took place last

00:14:59.880 night like by any standard how can iran call this a victory all they've done now is set the table

00:15:06.480 for israel to massively lash out at them strike back and nobody's going to say boo like i just

00:15:13.160 don't understand how they can call this a victory well there are already countries calling for a

00:15:17.980 restrained response from israel which is always the case you know israel gets hit and everyone says oh 0.51

00:15:23.860 that's bad but don't hit back don't hit back not not too hard um so you know we saw that in

00:15:32.760 justin trudeau's response you know not not that he's relevant and we'll talk about that in a minute

00:15:37.600 but here's the sands of toronto behind me um the uh they're going to claim victory because to some

00:15:47.660 people facts don't matter and we see these people marching through the streets of toronto facts don't

00:15:53.040 matter to them uh you know still claiming that that there's a genocide in the population that has

00:15:59.100 grown exponentially over the years including while israel has been so-called occupying gaza which

00:16:05.840 they have not been occupying gaza and yet they claim genocide and those lives get perpetuated around 0.98

00:16:13.300 the world by um useful idiots now but let's talk about the crowds marching because there was a crowd 0.99

00:16:22.360 a pretty big crowd in front of union station last night in downtown toronto the epicenter of canada's 0.99

00:16:29.080 largest city hundreds of them including children and they're setting off grenades so-called smoke

00:16:34.940 grenades right you know which you wouldn't be allowed to carry through the airport there they were and

00:16:40.560 soon as word came through that iran was attacking israel directly militarily this massive cheer went up

00:16:49.200 in the crowd they were deliriously happy i've written about it you've written about it in today's

00:16:54.600 toronto son like to me i think last night it was just too much like it was the final straw for guys

00:17:02.140 like me it's like look if you think iran and gas and and hamas and has were so great well why don't 0.99

00:17:09.320 you go to the fuck back there just go right if that's what you think is is appropriate why are you 0.99

00:17:14.840 living here why don't you go live there that's yeah that's one thought that i had um and uh you know 1.00

00:17:24.200 they were doing this from uh mid-afternoon until early evening maybe even later and down at union

00:17:34.300 station for people that don't know toronto uh the leafs were playing last night and the the leafs game

00:17:41.820 was starting at about seven i believe the blue jays game was an earlier afternoon game so you've got

00:17:46.960 um probably about 70 000 people a lot of them transferring through that station just walking

00:17:55.120 around there trying to get to and from their games just trying to enjoy themselves and they're being

00:18:00.320 greeted by fellow canadians cheering on iran attacking israel um and there's video evidence of this

00:18:07.660 you know you know we know that there were some people that cheered on uh osama bin laden on 9 11

00:18:13.720 and people said that's not true well now we've got video evidence of that just like we have video

00:18:19.800 evidence of october 7th people cheered on hamas's barbaric terrorist attack on israel even though they

00:18:25.460 knew the details uh i think you wrote it up very well in the sun saying that this is a final straw that

00:18:33.200 breaks the camel's back for um multiculturalism this is the failure of multiculturalism the idea that you

00:18:41.620 could bring your culture here when you came that's another one and again sons of the streets of toronto

00:18:49.520 um that that's a noble one but you have to also buy in and for generations many many successive waves

00:18:59.200 immigrants did they bought into the canadian dream the canadian story to canadian values and so they

00:19:06.980 would be proud of whatever their heritage was but they were canadian first and they believed in

00:19:11.900 liberal democracy and governments also promoted that we got away from that for a while the last person

00:19:19.020 that did that was jason kenny when he was immigration minister and perhaps whoever followed kenny

00:19:23.840 you know i'd forget who held which cabinet position when but he was very good at promoting canada's

00:19:30.700 story as part of multiculturalism and now you've got people like trudeau in charge who believe that we

00:19:36.460 are a post-national state that there is no core identity these are statements he've made i know there's

00:19:42.400 false statements he's made out there but him claiming that there's no core identity in canada he believes

00:19:48.140 that except for francophone canada that we're a post-national state these are things he said and

00:19:54.140 believes and and it affects how we bring in and we're bringing in a lot of people who will believe

00:20:02.880 these things but we're also growing them here people who are born here people have no attachment to the

00:20:08.220 middle east but believe what they're taught in schools uh schools infiltrated with the dei oppressed

00:20:15.300 oppressor thing and so it doesn't matter that israel is a liberal democracy they're oppressors so 0.99

00:20:21.020 you know if a dictatorial theocratic regime where they beat the shit out of women until they're dead 1.00

00:20:27.200 for not wearing a headscarf properly wants to attack israel that's good because those people are 1.00

00:20:32.400 oppressed i don't know how you live with that mindset well said well i guess we'll see what the

00:20:40.560 ceasefire now people have to say today when hundreds of missiles were fired at israel last

00:20:46.560 night they've been kind of quiet this morning haven't they so i guess we'll we'll find out one

00:20:51.420 thing that wasn't quiet this week um and you and i and adrian batra talked about it was just some

00:20:58.040 extraordinary events at madame hoag's madame justin's hoag's uh foreign interference inquiry uh in

00:21:05.620 ottawa and we had previously katie tells her testifying under oath saying the prime minister

00:21:11.820 reads all of his national security briefs every single word of them and then he gets up there and

00:21:17.120 testifies that he doesn't read anything and then he just likes oral briefings you did a brilliant column

00:21:22.260 about this which was on our front page can you kind of recap for people what happened this week

00:21:28.380 and why they should be paying attention to it well trudeau was under oath he was asked do you want to

00:21:36.540 be sworn in he said yes so he was sworn in and while he's going through uh you know the way the

00:21:44.940 commission works you go through with commission council and the job of commission council is just

00:21:48.920 to establish agreed upon facts and then various groups will cross and examine he was asked about

00:21:56.040 certain reports i didn't read that um i didn't read that i may or may not have time to read documents

00:22:03.240 that you know hold on let me pull up my latest because i you know on friday after saying on wednesday

00:22:09.740 he didn't read things uh he turned around on friday when he was questioned about this and said

00:22:15.320 oh no i read everything so i went back and i i got his quotes here it is the best way to convey

00:22:22.160 information to me is to receive a direct briefing from my national security and intelligence

00:22:26.260 advisor trudeau said the only way to guarantee to make sure that i receive the necessary information

00:22:32.040 is to give me an in-person briefing over or over a secure line if necessary um so laura stone from the

00:22:39.940 globe said much has been made of your admission i suppose during the testimony that you rarely read

00:22:44.960 all of your intelligence briefings or that you don't read them all are you going to do that now trudeau said

00:22:50.860 i read everything put in front of me well at another point on wednesday he had said that it's best to

00:22:57.580 give him information verbally quote not to give me a note which i may or may not read or may not have

00:23:04.560 time to read end quote um you know he's going around saying that he doesn't read these things and

00:23:12.500 that's his excuse when he's quizzed about them at the commission well i didn't know about that i i didn't

00:23:18.440 read that i received an oral briefing but they didn't tell me that part um so it's a get out of

00:23:24.600 jail free card his whole um his whole plan going before was to give himself plausible deniability

00:23:34.560 that he had seen any of these things and therefore he didn't have to act because he didn't see them

00:23:40.100 and nobody told them and to undermine thesis which he also did he and his team went up there

00:23:48.060 in public and undermined thesis saying that they were unreliable that they were incredible

00:23:53.940 that you you have to you know take what they say with a grain of salt and yeah to a degree that's

00:24:01.480 true you've got to analyze the information that a security and intelligence agency brings to you

00:24:05.980 but they spent two days katie telford jeremy broadhurst brian clow and then the cabinet

00:24:12.280 ministers karina gold dominic leblanc bill blair and true to himself undermining thesis and then

00:24:18.460 when he's asked about see do you still have confidence in them on friday hey i have full trust and

00:24:23.440 confidence in thesis he the man can't be trusted to tell you the time of day and i guess we know now

00:24:31.780 why they did not want to have a foreign interference inquiry and how they fought it like hell every step

00:24:38.720 of the way because they knew what the consequence would be they knew what the story would be which is

00:24:44.080 that you know they're lying they're not telling the truth but let's bring this back to what was

00:24:50.200 happening yesterday and what's going to happen today with joe biden convening international leaders

00:24:55.760 canada may be at the table this time you'll remember after october 7th they weren't because

00:25:00.900 we don't matter but now if we go into this what do we offer you know we weren't offering air support

00:25:07.720 uh for israel last night the way others were once upon a time we would have been able to

00:25:12.960 we can't now you know we we couldn't promise to deliver an amazon package to them effectively at

00:25:18.880 this point um and and what what do we offer intelligence wise there's an awful lot of funding

00:25:26.680 for terrorism being money laundered through canada i had a great interview with harris for feet on the

00:25:33.520 full comment podcast uh last monday about this there's a lot of this going on can we even offer 0.95

00:25:39.380 up that information and if we do well the leader of the country is just shit all over our intelligence

00:25:45.740 service in public saying they're unreliable what's it worth now exactly final topic um the prime minister

00:25:55.040 on friday on bond announced uh that he was going to oversee the building of four million homes for

00:26:01.280 canadians uh by in the next seven years so i got my calculator out that works out to be 1565 new homes

00:26:09.660 every single day i don't think he's going to meet that target do you i think he's going to build them

00:26:15.580 in the middle of the two billion trees that he's planting

00:26:18.720 oh wait he's not planting two billion trees we've got this bizarre thing going on

00:26:27.660 where everybody is finally seized with the housing issue um and they're all trying to outdo each other

00:26:35.660 now as you know i cover all levels of government toronto has actually been not too bad on this

00:26:40.620 under both john tory and olivia chow they've done well and they've been focused on this for a while

00:26:45.740 but a lot of the other municipalities in ontario elsewhere in canada they've been fighting attempts

00:26:50.740 to get more housing built because of nimbyism you've had premiers like doug ford pushing this

00:26:56.640 we're going on five years of doug ford pushing that we need to build more housing

00:27:00.300 and he'd be fought at every turn including by the now leader of the ontario liberal party who's like

00:27:06.300 you're not going to make me build more homes my people don't want them we're full um and

00:27:12.760 and he had plans like building on the green belt agree or disagree with it it was a plan to build

00:27:17.540 homes and the federal government fought him on it and and now they're all trying to outdo each other

00:27:23.140 with no i'll build more homes it's like the six minute five minute abs uh scene and something about

00:27:29.020 mary uh no you know i'll i'll be faster and then it comes down to are you going to force

00:27:35.380 municipalities to allow four plexus apparently four plexus it's the only thing that will solve

00:27:41.160 the housing crisis half of ontario where the population is anyway already allows four plexus

00:27:46.680 and it's not solving the housing crisis um the entire province allows triplexes it's not solving

00:27:53.160 the housing crisis you need service land you need money to build guess what the budget on tuesday is

00:27:59.160 going to do it's going to squeeze out private uh builders because they're borrowing so much money 0.65

00:28:05.080 at the federal level again it's going to keep interest rates higher well the one thing that

00:28:10.540 is high as peer polly have to conclude abacus came out this week and it's two to zero 20 points

00:28:17.220 separate the tories and liberals it's looking pretty dire for team trudeau can you see any way out for

00:28:23.660 these guys well i hope you had some good jokes at the parliamentary press gallery last night to get his

00:28:29.040 his diehards uh back supporting again and uh and spreading the gospel of trudeau uh that might be

00:28:36.480 the only thing that'll help yeah i think that's all that would help listen uh you're on fire this

00:28:41.980 morning my friend thank you so much for your analysis look forward to your writing about israel

00:28:46.880 and canada and the world in coming days have a great day you too

00:28:51.380 and you know what i said

00:29:18.880 want to say

00:29:28.880 thank you

00:29:35.360 Oh, come through your temper

00:29:38.380 Oh, the party will be a part of

00:29:42.200 May you hear what I said

00:29:46.240 Oh, that I'm leaving you today

00:29:50.360 Oh, that I'm leaving you today

00:30:20.980 Say my girl

00:30:22.460 Eh, that I'm leaving you today

00:30:24.980 Say my girl

00:30:26.120 Yeah, you hear what I said

00:30:28.900 Say my girl

00:30:30.280 Save my friend and marry

00:30:34.420 Oh, the new

00:30:36.200 And when the new

00:30:38.100 You must be away

00:30:40.240 Oh, coming through your temper

00:30:44.140 Say my girl

00:30:45.660 Oh, come back, you will be a part of

00:30:48.320 Say my girl

00:30:49.540 And if you won't get to suffer, you'll say my God.

00:30:53.240 And you know you're bound to suffer, you'll say my God.

00:30:57.380 Try, say my, say my right now.

00:31:00.360 You'll say my God.

00:31:01.440 Like you never did before.

00:31:04.420 You'll say my God.

00:31:04.900 Oh, oh, oh.

00:31:07.800 You'll say my God.

00:31:09.280 And you hear what I say.

00:31:11.920 You'll say my God.

00:31:13.620 You look into the pot of gold.

00:31:15.840 You'll say my God.

00:31:16.680 And you know soon you'll get to trust.

00:31:19.540 This is CFRA Live Sunday Political Panel.

00:31:33.100 And welcome to it.

00:31:34.660 Time for our CFRA Live Sunday Political Panel here on a sunny Sunday.

00:31:38.900 It is Warren Kinsella.

00:31:40.080 He is a strategist and post-media columnist.

00:31:41.940 He is here to join us as usual on this Sunday morning.

00:31:44.120 Warren, thanks for joining us.

00:31:45.600 Good morning, sir.

00:31:46.280 And Tasha Carradine is a political columnist for the National Post.

00:31:49.540 An author and a writer for GZero Media.

00:31:51.460 Tasha, thanks so much for joining us.

00:31:53.620 Good morning.

00:31:54.540 I am pinch-hitting for our leftist friend Carl Belanger this week.

00:31:58.460 But obviously we were chatting a little bit about a lot of domestic politics this week.

00:32:03.820 But obviously something comes into the forefront like yesterday happening.

00:32:06.680 We've had an attack on Israel in retaliation for something that happened a couple of weeks ago here.

00:32:12.280 300 drone attacks.

00:32:13.820 It looks like Israel has successfully defended this off. 0.86

00:32:17.700 Warren, we saw the Prime Minister come out at the forefront of this condemning Iran from the outset on this.

00:32:23.040 Just from an international perspective, if you're the Canadian government, I think we're very concerned here about a regional conflict.

00:32:29.780 Yeah, no, everybody is.

00:32:32.220 But, you know, there is good news out of the terrible events of last night.

00:32:38.220 There were no fatalities that we're aware of.

00:32:41.460 99% of the missiles, whether they were drones or cruise missiles, did not hit a target in Israel.

00:32:52.040 And to me, one of the most encouraging things is that Jordan and Saudi Arabia actively were involved in defending Israel.

00:33:04.220 And that, you know, for everybody, should be an indication that Iran has already lost this war, 0.76

00:33:11.780 either directly or through its proxies like Hamas and Hezbollah.

00:33:15.640 That is, you know, the powers in the region, not just Israel, saying, we will not let you prevail. 0.69

00:33:23.780 You have done these terrible things to Israel on October 7th and afterwards, but we will not let you win. 1.00

00:33:32.760 And so that was a good thing, you know, when the United States and the French and the British were involved in shooting down those missiles.

00:33:40.800 Canada, you know, it kind of made me sad.

00:33:43.740 But Pierre Polyev had a statement out that was excellent before Trudeau.

00:33:47.700 Trudeau's statement was good, but he should have been out first.

00:33:52.760 And I guess what was brought home to me, you know, when I looked at his statement, is, geez, have we ever become irrelevant?

00:34:00.320 You know, really, nobody inside the country or outside the country, I think, cares what we have to say about this or any other international matter.

00:34:08.040 So I was sad about that.

00:34:10.240 But all of those other things I enumerated, those are good things.

00:34:13.760 Those are things to be happy about.

00:34:15.860 I want to I want to re I want to re up that concept of kind of a Canada on the international front in just a second.

00:34:21.520 But Tasha, as Warren mentioned, I think as optimistic as you can be in a sense of there was no fatalities here.

00:34:28.400 There's nobody seriously hurt, but obviously a very big concern about possible regional instability.

00:34:33.040 A huge concern.

00:34:35.600 I maybe I'm not as optimistic as Warren.

00:34:37.920 I think that there are other actors at play here behind the scenes and sort of axis of Iran, China, Russia, that this is not going to be the last attack.

00:34:49.620 The fact that, yes, Jordan and Saudi were in in the fold, so to speak, Jordan saying it would it would defend its airspace.

00:34:57.980 But I think that is also self-interest.

00:35:02.860 Nobody there, those countries, they want a larger war in the Middle East.

00:35:07.320 But does Iran want more trouble? 0.95

00:35:10.060 I would say so.

00:35:11.440 And do the actors, the other two actors I mentioned, who are essentially behind the scenes and it's been found, the Washington Post reported Chinese weapons have been found in Gaza.

00:35:21.800 Do they want more trouble?

00:35:23.420 Yes, they do.

00:35:24.260 So I don't think we've seen the last of it.

00:35:25.880 And it's sort of like that tinderbox feeling, an excellent piece I read by a sub-stacker, Noah Smith, about how World War II, in the lead up to World War II, not to be alarmist, but there were many regional and smaller conflagrations before the big one between the big powers hit.

00:35:42.640 And we feel sort of that sort of same tension.

00:35:44.640 So, yeah, we have to diffuse it at all costs.

00:35:47.240 Trudeau's statement, it's interesting, Warren said that, you know, we've lost our place in the international stage.

00:35:51.580 When I was reading news reports about the aftermath of the strikes, none of them that I saw quoted Canada as standing up.

00:35:59.900 They quoted, obviously, the countries that were engaged in repelling the drone and the rocket attacks.

00:36:05.560 But they also quoted other leaders around the world who made statements.

00:36:09.160 Canada wasn't included.

00:36:10.460 So that was kind of sad.

00:36:11.400 I've seen that, actually, just to your point, I've seen that happen a couple of times recently, where someone like Australia, who's a very close partner to ours, will be named in something where Canada is involved, but we're just kind of put to the wayside.

00:36:21.860 So I guess kind of similar to what Warren's saying, just from your perspective, Tasha, do you think Canada is losing some kind of, I guess, standing in the international realm?

00:36:29.700 And if so, do you have any particular guesses as to why?

00:36:33.440 Well, yes, I think we have.

00:36:36.200 I mean, our prime minister, apart from having some disastrous foreign trips that, you know, go back years, think of India and others, has also shown himself really to not be adept at foreign relations.

00:36:48.040 Mentioning India again, his, you know, his calling out of Modi over the alleged murder of a Kalistani terrorist in British Columbia by the Indian government was done in such a clumsy way.

00:37:01.080 It, you know, it torpedoed the entire Indo-Pacific strategy that we had built up as a country to get closer to India as a bulwark against China.

00:37:09.500 So that was one, you know, more recent incident.

00:37:11.940 The handling of the two Michaels with China, we, I mean, now the Canadian government's essentially paying the Michaels because they allege that, you know, this should not have been, this should not have happened, it should not have dragged on the way it did.

00:37:25.020 That's an embarrassment.

00:37:25.940 And I think the foreign interference inquiry happening right now shows also how our country doesn't take foreign interference seriously.

00:37:33.120 So why should other countries take us seriously if we're not going to protect our borders and if we're not going to meet our NATO commitments?

00:37:38.680 We have shown a complete disregard for the interests of our country, which are the interests of our allies by association.

00:37:46.380 If we're not going to be able to defend ourselves, then how can they defend, you know, rely on us to defend them?

00:37:51.160 And the other interesting point on that, Warren, is similar to the point that you brought up, is I find, you know, in international polling, Trudeau still remains a pretty highly, I guess, popular international figure.

00:38:01.080 But it's almost like they don't care what he has to say.

00:38:03.200 So I kind of find that interesting.

00:38:05.020 Is he just the, I don't know, the consummate Canadian nice guy?

00:38:08.180 Is that what the international reputation is?

00:38:09.880 I don't think he's as popular as he used to be with the greatest respect.

00:38:15.660 He's not gracing the cover of Rolling Stone anymore.

00:38:19.340 And, you know, first ladies are not shooting covetous looks at him. 0.99

00:38:23.400 He's not.

00:38:24.560 Like, he's a diminished figure on the world stage.

00:38:29.060 And that would be fine if he was just a private citizen.

00:38:33.160 But, you know, this is us.

00:38:35.160 This is our country.

00:38:36.100 And going back to the Pearson days, you know, we were respected around the world for our peacekeeping ability, which, you know, the world certainly needs at the moment.

00:38:47.100 And, you know, every successive prime minister has presided over, you know, for a country that is not even really a middle power, militarily or diplomatically.

00:38:57.620 They've provided, presided over a country that was respected, at least, as a respected voice internationally.

00:39:05.820 You know, when I worked for Cretchen, he would get calls from, you know, from Clinton and from the leaders of Britain, Tony Blair and so on.

00:39:16.820 They would consult with him and ask for Canada's opinion.

00:39:20.020 Like, I don't even have to check.

00:39:22.660 That's not happening anymore.

00:39:24.940 And so that's a sad thing.

00:39:28.900 You know, I think Paliyev is going to win the election whenever it comes against, you know, whoever the liberal leader happens to be.

00:39:35.660 And I'm hopeful that he repairs that situation because we really need it repaired.

00:39:41.420 And we'll see if he gets any of those covetous looks during the next election campaign.

00:39:45.820 The issue, though, I find it interesting because you do have mentioned the election.

00:39:49.120 Obviously, the federal budget coming up is going to be a big part of that.

00:39:51.760 But the Trudeau liberals have seemingly tried to get out in front of their own federal budget over the course of the past couple of weeks.

00:39:57.440 We talked about this a little bit last week.

00:39:58.940 But, you know, surprisingly, even more money coming out this week for housing.

00:40:03.120 That has been the big kind of issue here.

00:40:05.860 So, you know, aside from the announcements, we can kind of parse those apart a little bit here.

00:40:09.860 But in terms of this announcement and this issue on affordability and housing, Tasha, do you think that the liberals have found their election issue here?

00:40:17.900 Do you think this is what they are going to ride or die on?

00:40:21.620 Well, no, I think what happened was Paliyev found the election issue, which was housing.

00:40:25.680 And the liberals were forced to respond.

00:40:27.060 I'm not sure how much water this will carry, considering the election will be at the most a year and a half from now.

00:40:34.840 And building houses takes time.

00:40:36.540 It won't be done overnight.

00:40:38.420 You know, who can dream of the biggest housing project since World War II?

00:40:41.240 But the reality is things will not get done that fast.

00:40:45.660 It'll get done as fast today for a number of reasons.

00:40:48.820 And partly also because you can't just put houses anywhere.

00:40:51.980 You have to have infrastructure for them.

00:40:53.960 Municipalities have to put that in.

00:40:55.600 There is red tape.

00:40:57.080 He's not going to be able to untangle.

00:40:58.740 And now we're hearing the government might raise taxes to pay for all this.

00:41:04.260 So, you know, good luck to them if that's their strategy, because then everyone's going to say, oh, you create a mess.

00:41:09.360 Then you spend money on the mess.

00:41:10.920 And then you tax me to fix the mess.

00:41:13.160 I don't think I'll vote for you.

00:41:16.160 It does fall attached to it, too, because the goal, 3.9 million homes by 2031.

00:41:20.560 One, you know, it's an ambitious plan.

00:41:22.200 But is that also – I say ambitious in the most diplomatic way.

00:41:26.020 Is that a realistic goal in any way, shape, or form, do you think?

00:41:29.080 No, I don't think so.

00:41:30.100 You're seeing already developers are, you know, pulling back because they can't deal with interest rates.

00:41:36.200 Interest rates will come down.

00:41:37.520 Some people say June.

00:41:38.760 Others, I've heard, the fall.

00:41:40.460 But until they do, houses will not be affordable to build.

00:41:45.720 That is part of the problem.

00:41:47.520 And you're also, you know, rental housing is not being built.

00:41:52.720 Why?

00:41:53.540 Because of tenants' rights laws.

00:41:55.700 I've heard this from a number of landlords.

00:41:57.720 I've heard this from real estate agents in the province that I've talked to who say that, you know what,

00:42:01.720 there are so-called professional tenants who kind of ruin things for the rest of the people by scamming landlords.

00:42:08.780 And there are alternatives, such as short-term rentals, that people are saying, well, you know what, it's less risk.

00:42:13.400 I'm going to do that instead.

00:42:14.900 And having those options means that rental housing is less attractive.

00:42:19.240 So I think the government has to look, government, and this is provincial mostly, have to look at how do you incentivize the building of these units

00:42:25.440 and make sure that landlords are protected from the kinds of issues that they're dealing with with tenants who are, you know,

00:42:32.040 essentially some of them taking them to the cleaners.

00:42:34.440 And, Warren, I was kind of thinking that the Trudeau government was almost getting out in front of this issue

00:42:39.080 and trying to change the message on some of the other issues like foreign interference in the carbon pricing with this housing announcement.

00:42:44.620 But to Tash's point, are they really just trying to keep up with the conservatives on this affordability messaging?

00:42:49.240 It was a joke.

00:42:50.820 You know, they have been dominating the housing issue, at least the headlines, for the past few days.

00:42:57.280 And then there's the prime minister in Vaughan on Friday saying, and let's just analyze this.

00:43:02.840 He said he's talking about 3.9 million homes, 4 million homes built by 2031.

00:43:09.580 I did the math, okay?

00:43:11.480 That means, guys, we need to have built every single day between then and now,

00:43:18.840 1,565 homes.

00:43:23.240 Like, they're a joke.

00:43:25.000 Wow.

00:43:25.820 Did anybody get a calculator out and figure out what he meant?

00:43:29.480 We're going to build 1,500 homes a day?

00:43:32.800 Like, they've ceased to be credible on so many economic files.

00:43:38.800 And on Friday, he blew himself to bits.

00:43:42.100 Like, it is absurd.

00:43:43.220 It is impossible what he is talking about.

00:43:46.900 And I think, you know, this is why the polls – well, actually, I'm sorry.

00:43:50.160 I was about to say the polls haven't changed.

00:43:52.500 They did change.

00:43:53.700 After, you know, he made all these pronouncements of the housing, Abacus registered that the Tories now lead by 20 points.

00:44:02.580 2-0.

00:44:03.300 So whatever they're doing, the Trudeau guys, on housing and pretty much any other economic file, is not working.

00:44:11.640 But, you know, they're going to build 1,565 houses a day.

00:44:16.000 Get ready.

00:44:17.020 As I was saying, you know, I can appreciate an ambitious, you know, goal, but this seems unrealistic in many senses.

00:44:23.280 But as I was saying, it does – you know, we've changed the headlines for a couple days with some of these announcements, the foreign interference inquiry and the carbon tax, no less.

00:44:30.480 I wanted to get into that a little bit here so we don't skip over it here.

00:44:33.600 But I was reading a column in The Star, the headline this week.

00:44:36.460 It says, it's no wonder a national security official felt compelled to leak information to the media.

00:44:41.540 So it just seems like from what we've learned so far that, you know, the prime minister was, you know, somewhat in the know here.

00:44:47.160 But that – I don't know, this is almost Trump-like as much as, you know, Trudeau supporters might not like to hear it, but he doesn't like to read his briefings.

00:44:54.020 He likes to get them orally.

00:44:55.600 It seems like politics perhaps was at play in getting some of these warnings out here.

00:44:59.420 Warren, I'll let you take this one for – to start.

00:45:01.860 Well, somebody's not telling the truth.

00:45:04.180 You know, Katie Telford is previously – his chief of staff has previously testified under oath that he reads everything, quote-unquote, with respect to national security.

00:45:14.220 Then Trudeau appears and testifies that, no, he doesn't read anything.

00:45:19.920 He prefers it getting read to him.

00:45:22.380 Well, which is it?

00:45:23.960 Both of those statements can't be true.

00:45:26.920 Someone's not telling the truth.

00:45:28.660 And then we have the other rock stars, you know, the C-team from PMO appearing and saying that, you know, they don't really take these serial briefings that they got from CSIS over a period of years seriously, presumably because they know more about national security than CSIS does.

00:45:47.700 The boys and girls in short pants and PMO saying, well, yeah, we didn't really take it seriously because we know national security.

00:45:54.260 Well, if that's the case, then just get rid of CSIS, you know, if you're smarter than them and you know more of what's going on, get rid of them.

00:46:01.780 Like, now I think I understand why they moved heaven and earth to prevent this inquiry from taking place, including, you know, appointing Trudeau's ski buddy, David Johnson, to, you know, do whatever he did.

00:46:13.580 They knew how bad it was going to look.

00:46:16.780 And already, just in the very earliest phase of this inquiry, they look terrible.

00:46:22.540 And as I say, it looks like somebody is lying.

00:46:25.980 And Tasha, I guess further to, I guess what we've seen so far as well, we do have some sense of oversight, some sense of oversight.

00:46:33.680 But is it time that we, you know, bring back the CSIS inspector general or is it clear that we need some kind of another independent set of eyes dealing with this and that there should be no politics involved in some of these decisions?

00:46:45.640 Well, the problem is politics is involved in decisions.

00:46:49.060 Politics is involved in the sense that that is one of the key areas that China is interfering in.

00:46:54.560 And this is where, you know, I took from the inquiry three things.

00:46:59.380 One, like Warren said, Trudeau tossed people around him under the bus.

00:47:03.120 He's done that before.

00:47:05.220 Second, that he knew as early as 2019 about Liberal MP Handong's nomination and the busing of Chinese students.

00:47:14.140 And he had the gall to say that was the same thing as busing Greek and Italian students or people to my nomination in Papineau in 2007.

00:47:22.020 Well, I don't think you can equate China to Greece and Italy.

00:47:25.300 They're not exactly hostile powers to Canada.

00:47:27.540 They're our allies.

00:47:28.780 And China, as we know well, is not. 0.93

00:47:32.000 Third, he said he didn't think China had an interest in a particular party winning the 2021 election.

00:47:37.820 And that's the big one because, no, it's not about necessarily who won this election.

00:47:43.320 It's about putting people in place for the long game.

00:47:45.960 People who down the road could maybe be cabinet ministers or, you know, in either party, not just the Liberals.

00:47:52.480 This is what the Chinese do. 1.00

00:47:54.160 And guess what, folks?

00:47:55.120 If we end up in a war, like everyone is saying potentially the world will be in a few years or even less,

00:48:02.600 if these people are sitting at the cabinet table, what does that do to Canada?

00:48:06.180 How do we defend our interests?

00:48:07.640 You can't have politicians who are beholden to another country for either donations, support, anything.

00:48:14.800 That endangers your security in the worst way today, but it would be far worse if we were in conflict.

00:48:19.620 So I think they didn't want any of this to come out because people would start noticing that they're putting our country at risk in very fundamental ways.

00:48:28.000 Just switching gears to a couple of other stories that I did want to get to this week, specifically the issue with the carbon price.

00:48:34.960 Now, as I was mentioning, I think the Liberals have kind of shrugged this a little bit with some of their housing announcements in terms of getting a little pressure off their back on this.

00:48:43.160 But the NDP is what I'm kind of confused about.

00:48:45.040 So they kind of came out earlier this week saying they might be opposed to a consumer carbon price.

00:48:49.560 And then they had to backtrack.

00:48:50.740 It seemed like, I don't know if Jagmeet Singh was getting polling from inside the party or just members were very upset, but they had to pull that back.

00:48:56.840 So just wondering from a strategy point of view, maybe Tash, I'll start with you.

00:48:59.820 Do you have any sense of what the NDP was trying to do here?

00:49:02.860 Did it miss an opportunity?

00:49:04.120 I'm just trying to still figure out what's going on.

00:49:07.000 I think the NDP is caught between a rock and a hard place on this because a lot of its constituency, working class people, are in the sights of the conservatives.

00:49:16.060 And those are the same people who are paying those high heating bills and are saying, wait a second, I don't like paying a carbon tax.

00:49:23.300 So the NDP is saying, how do we make sure those voters don't run away?

00:49:27.820 I don't think they really thought this through, though, because, of course, then they upset the progressives on the other side in the party who are hellbent on fighting climate change at all costs.

00:49:38.020 So they really – this is the issue for the NDP.

00:49:41.100 It's a bigger existential issue.

00:49:42.600 How do you balance those two sides of their base?

00:49:45.420 And I don't think they did a very good job this week.

00:49:48.580 And I guess, Warren, it's seemingly like they are trying to differentiate themselves from the liberals, but perhaps they picked the wrong issue.

00:49:54.220 It was a strange kind of move from the NDP this week.

00:49:57.360 Yeah, it was, I guess, another indication for me that just the whole notion of taxing carbon is dead.

00:50:07.420 And it wasn't just the NDP.

00:50:09.960 Actually, a bigger story to me was Jane Goodall coming out.

00:50:13.420 She objected to what Trudeau's doing.

00:50:16.260 Like, if you don't have Jane Goodall on this one, like, you're done like dinner.

00:50:19.980 Like, it's over.

00:50:20.920 Forget it.

00:50:21.720 It's done.

00:50:22.240 That's it.

00:50:22.740 He's got every premier against him.

00:50:24.340 He's got public opinion against him.

00:50:27.220 You know, now he's got all the opposition parties against him pretty much.

00:50:30.520 Well, I don't know if the block is, but who cares?

00:50:32.860 Like, it's just – it's over.

00:50:35.080 It's done.

00:50:35.680 And, you know, I presume that's why he's not investing much time in defending the principle,

00:50:42.760 and he's talking more about housing, because he knows it's over.

00:50:45.880 The carbon tax is dead.

00:50:47.500 And we've talked about that in terms of, you know, could it be the, you know, final stride that broke the camel's back

00:50:53.760 when he started to put some different concessions on that.

00:50:58.920 I just wanted to get to one last story here quickly, guys.

00:51:01.720 Pierre Paulyev obviously leading in the polls pretty comfortably right now.

00:51:04.400 But also, Labour leaders are meeting this week in Ottawa, talk about a whole number of things, the Canadian Labour Congress.

00:51:10.540 But they're calling out Pierre Paulyev.

00:51:12.140 They're not saying his name specifically this time, but they're saying that they're – you know, don't trust –

00:51:16.380 they're telling their members, essentially, don't trust people that say they're working for the working class unless they actually show you, in a sense.

00:51:22.600 So, I'm wondering, I don't think Pierre Paulyev has a lot of support in this space, but Warren, heading into election,

00:51:28.260 does he even need this kind of section of the electorate, or is he kind of politically safe enough to kind of ignore something like this?

00:51:35.740 He does.

00:51:36.620 And I thought the Starr story was really unfair and inaccurate.

00:51:41.660 You know, full disclosure, I've represented the Labourers International Union of North America for years.

00:51:46.720 And I've done all kinds of stuff for them.

00:51:50.600 I know them very well.

00:51:52.420 Pierre Paulyev was meeting with their leadership on Friday, and it was kind of a love-in.

00:51:58.700 He was very well-received.

00:52:01.480 So, yes, he is engaged in a fight with the NDP for the support of trade unions.

00:52:07.420 But just based upon the evidence on Friday, like, he's doing exceptionally well.

00:52:12.820 Like, QP and public sector unions, to draw a distinction, are not ever going to support a Conservative option.

00:52:19.800 I don't care who the leader is.

00:52:21.240 Like, they're just not going to do it.

00:52:23.300 But what the private sector unions are doing is quite interesting.

00:52:27.600 You know, about a dozen of them supported Doug Ford in the last provincial election campaign because there had been, you know, Labour ministers like Puccini and McNaughton, who they really felt comfortable with.

00:52:41.100 I think Paulyev is trying to do the same thing.

00:52:43.940 And based upon the evidence on Friday, it's working.

00:52:46.840 And, yeah, specifically mentioning, yeah, it's a good point of distinction there is public sector unions.

00:52:51.280 Tasha, is that something that Pierre Paulyev needs to worry himself with right now?

00:52:54.920 Or does he need to, or can he, you know, ignore this right now and perhaps, as Warren's mentioning, focus on trades unions and other unions?

00:53:02.960 Well, he'll do what Doug Ford was, which was exactly that.

00:53:05.880 Doug Ford in Ontario had the support of Leuna in the last election, private sector trades union.

00:53:12.140 And that's where the bread and butter for the Conservatives will be federally.

00:53:16.260 They would love a fight, I think, with public sector unions in some way because, again, it's about the growth of government, bloated government, right, under Trudeau's watch.

00:53:24.380 But the average person, you know, they're paying through their taxes for this.

00:53:28.040 Joe Lunchbucket with his hammer and the welder and, you know, Pierre Paulyev always talks about these folks.

00:53:33.760 And they're looking for a champion, as they are around the world.

00:53:37.020 This is not unique to Canada's populist movement.

00:53:39.480 This is happening everywhere.

00:53:41.440 To Tasha's point, if I can jump in really quickly, you know, there were studies published this week showing the fastest growing, growing labor sector in Canada is the public service under Trudeau.

00:53:53.700 We've got 100,000 more jobs and, you know, which is great for people in Ottawa, maybe not so much for the taxpayer.

00:54:01.580 So, you know, it makes sense to me that, you know, CUPE is not going to be aligned with Paulyev, but they were never going to be aligned with Paulyev.

00:54:08.700 Yeah, you can hear the Paulyev political ads now.

00:54:13.340 But we'll wait until next week to hear more about what the budget brings this week as well, see if that changes anybody's calculus.

00:54:20.560 But Tasha Carradine and Warren Kinsella, thanks so much for your time this morning.

00:54:23.280 I really appreciate it.

00:54:24.600 Thanks, guys.

00:54:25.240 Thank you. Bye.

00:54:26.480 Warren Kinsella is a strategist and post-media columnist.

00:54:28.760 Tasha Carradine is a political columnist for the National Post and writer for GZERO Media and an author that is their thoughts, your thoughts. 1.00

00:54:34.740 Welcome at 580-580.

00:54:36.020 Tweet us at CFRA Ottawa.

00:54:37.600 I should say normally we do have Carl Belanger.

00:54:39.480 He is off this week.

00:54:40.320 He is out of the country.

00:54:42.020 So, yes, take your shots.

00:54:44.280 I was supposed to be our plant stand-in for the NDP.

00:54:47.520 Let me know how I did.

00:54:48.200 I was supposed to be our plant stand-in for the NDP.

00:55:18.200 I was supposed to be our plant stand-in for the NDP.

00:55:48.200 Go away, go away from the NDP.

00:55:52.120 Girl, you want to walk and you can't stand out

00:56:10.320 Girl, you want to run and you can't sit down

00:56:13.880 Girl, you must think that some parts get him down

00:56:17.520 Girl, you must think that some parts get him down

00:56:21.040 It might be work for me

00:56:24.040 It might be work for me

00:56:27.560 So, girl, you come show down your burden and me

00:56:31.700 Girl, you come put your distress to me 0.98

00:56:35.140 Girl, me never born with gold spoon in my mouth

00:56:38.760 No, me never born come see legacy

00:56:42.080 No, I have to work for my honest friend

00:56:45.860 So, no, come take it in a convenient

00:56:49.000 Hail, you come now

00:56:52.000 Hail, you come now

00:56:53.340 Hail, you come now

00:56:54.920 Hail, you come now

00:56:55.820 Hail, you come now

00:56:58.800 Hail, you come now

00:56:59.740 Hail, you come now

00:57:00.900 Hail, you come now

00:57:02.000 Hail, you come now

00:57:02.400 Hail, you come now

00:57:03.660 Hail, you come now

00:57:05.000 Hail, you come now

00:57:06.000 Is irinaIL N的時候

00:57:06.560 Hail, you can't stand out

00:57:07.760 Elisade, you come now

00:57:08.560 Ilisade, you come now

00:57:09.760 Sign is no changeiest

00:57:11.000 Neget know, n Orthodoxy, you can't do it 1.00

00:57:12.320 Milita know, you can't do it

00:57:13.460 May Senior netTO scale

00:57:14.000 Or lilyn 97X

00:57:14.860 A低 note number

00:57:15.340 As only power is on the through

00:57:16.480 I saw the cow, I saw the calf, squllo

00:57:20.180 I saw the mother, saw the child, squllo 0.99

00:57:23.940 Me said the chief never fly, far from the black 0.99

00:57:28.280 The chief never fly, far from the black 0.99

00:57:31.760 I saw the cow, I saw the calf, squllo

00:57:34.280 I saw the mother, saw the child, squllo 0.99

00:57:37.800 amentos, yeah

00:57:38.540 The Messiah was what the Lord had in sight

00:57:40.940 Meนham ภรรものона

00:57:43.360 With the Holy Ghost

00:57:45.340 Project

00:57:54.280 Project

00:57:56.280 Project

00:58:02.460 Project

00:58:09.140 Project

00:58:09.400 Project

00:58:10.500 Project

00:58:12.120 Project

00:58:12.520 Project

00:58:13.620 Project

00:58:14.380 Project

00:58:14.580 Project

00:58:14.620 I won't raise, kiddo

00:58:16.900 Play no nonothing with the night about college

00:58:20.500 I'll take you how to mother, how to child, how to

00:58:24.100 Ice ice makes in my capates

00:58:28.540 I don't feel at all

00:58:31.120 Blind lets' dust make a heart

00:58:34.060 I don't give a smoke

00:58:36.360 That is no presents in my pajamas

00:58:38.460 Your knees can't last

00:58:41.620 Oh, me never was in the corner of the world

00:58:44.880 I saw the cow, I saw the cow, I saw the

00:58:48.620 I saw the mother, I saw the child, I saw the love

00:58:52.120 Me say the chips never fly, far from the black

00:58:56.340 The chips never fly, far from the black

00:58:59.940 Every day you sit on the corner and sit down and help

00:59:03.140 That chef make a self-help out, say

00:59:05.740 Yeah, you got to go there and hustle

00:59:08.120 Cause just a place is what you got to have

00:59:10.740 Yeah, you can't think of me alone now and say

00:59:14.080 Love it like this, go, go

00:59:16.580 You tune in your rock, say the music, go

00:59:20.020 And tell you this and I tell you, listen to me

00:59:23.580 Say, girl, you really rock and me talk me like that

00:59:28.000 Say, girl, you really chat and then you really say

00:59:30.920 Your act and then me run the wheel as you take a start

00:59:34.120 Love you like this, play really

00:59:37.260 Me say you can't wash, girl, you can't cook 1.00

00:59:44.940 Yeah, you say you hungry, no, please do a revoke 1.00

00:59:48.640 And you walk one like you a crook 0.98

00:59:50.880 You run the sack but let worries in your heart 0.99

00:59:53.780 Yeah

00:59:54.600 Yeah, you say she love it in the night, go, go

00:59:58.940 I sing and say she like it in the night, go, go, go

01:00:02.280 And that day time she gone in the night, go, go

01:00:05.780 My friend them a mokin' seventy all a night tall

01:00:08.440 But right now me have to fall up like a fall

01:00:10.940 Yeah

01:00:11.940 And we're back with war room veteran and post-media columnist Warren Kinsella at an airport somewhere in the southern hemisphere

01:00:40.560 This is the Kingston Jamaica airport and I'm over in a corner so I don't disturb any of the nice people waiting for their plane

01:00:49.840 So my partner and I are waiting for an Air Canada plane, Charles, so we should be here for several days

01:00:57.420 By the time people see and hear this, hopefully you'll be back on terra firma in Canada

01:01:06.700 Which in my opinion is not broken, but we can talk about that some other time

01:01:11.360 One of the pieces of breaking commentary this week everybody was talking about was your piece

01:01:18.080 And this had to do with your prediction that Justin Trudeau would leave

01:01:23.500 Now you've made that prediction before

01:01:24.840 It was a different kind of prediction, it was a little more textured this time

01:01:28.480 And it also warned conservatives not to be thrilled with the idea of Justin Trudeau leaving before the next election

01:01:36.680 What's your take Warren?

01:01:38.540 What I did, I mean my gut has always served me better in politics, Charles, than polling

01:01:45.640 You know, polls, they're a snapshot and then they're gone

01:01:48.540 My gut had been telling me for a long time, for sure, the conservatives are way ahead

01:01:53.980 Abacus yesterday for the first time said that they're ahead by 20 points

01:01:58.140 That's a lot

01:01:59.260 Daryl Bricker said yesterday they may be, it's about 15% is what he figures the difference is

01:02:06.360 That's a lot

01:02:07.320 But I just did not detect a huge amount of enthusiasm for Pierre Polly

01:02:13.400 It seemed to me to be an anti-Trudeau thing

01:02:16.920 So I did something completely unscientific

01:02:19.260 No weighted sample, no random sampling, none of that stuff

01:02:24.500 I just put it up on X

01:02:26.700 And I gave, I said to the conservatives who follow me

01:02:30.440 I said, okay boys and girls, you have an option

01:02:33.560 Is your vote anti-Trudeau, number one

01:02:37.480 Is it pro-Pierre, number two

01:02:40.660 Is it number three, kind of both, but more anti-Justin

01:02:47.180 Or number four, is it both, but more pro-Pierre

01:02:51.860 So anti-Justin, pro-Pierre

01:02:54.820 Both, but more anti-Justin, both pro-Pierre

01:03:00.900 Well guess what I found, and it's like 4,000 votes so far

01:03:05.020 And again, it's not scientific

01:03:06.540 It was just for a bit of fun to confirm my gut

01:03:09.180 And my gut was confirmed

01:03:10.600 Overwhelmingly, Charles

01:03:12.700 The conservative vote is an anti-Trudeau vote

01:03:16.280 Overwhelmingly

01:03:18.020 Like if they're asked if they are voting conservative

01:03:22.860 Because of Pierre Paulyet

01:03:23.980 The answer is for the vast majority of them

01:03:26.760 No, they're not

01:03:28.320 Now, in fairness to the guy

01:03:30.660 When you're an opposition leader

01:03:32.380 You know, you're just not as well known

01:03:34.520 As the Prime Minister

01:03:35.660 The Prime Minister, you know, is on TV all the time

01:03:39.600 And in the papers

01:03:40.320 So people feel they know him or her

01:03:42.700 But in this case

01:03:43.960 There's a real lack of enthusiasm

01:03:46.640 Even among conservatives

01:03:48.560 For Pierre Paulyet

01:03:49.940 And that's a big problem for him

01:03:52.060 If something happens

01:03:53.240 Which is if Justin Trudeau leaves

01:03:55.720 So Pierre Paulyet has had a lot of exposure

01:03:58.400 On social media, certainly

01:04:00.180 And isn't it fair to say

01:04:02.560 I'm just trying to bend over backwards

01:04:04.080 To be fair

01:04:04.540 Nobody thinks that I'm a fan of Pierre Paulyet

01:04:06.820 But isn't it fair to say

01:04:08.080 That what we're looking at here is

01:04:10.600 While many people who have had exposure

01:04:13.260 Of Pierre Paulyet

01:04:14.120 Aren't impressed with him

01:04:15.980 But they feel change

01:04:17.680 Is much more important

01:04:19.080 And they'd rather vote for change

01:04:21.020 Than for Pierre Paulyet

01:04:22.420 Yeah, no, I think you're absolutely right

01:04:25.320 I mean, as you and I have talked about

01:04:27.220 Many times over the years

01:04:28.600 Not just about this Prime Minister

01:04:30.120 But previous ones

01:04:31.320 You know, in this business

01:04:33.040 In the politics business

01:04:34.420 You get about eight years

01:04:36.080 That's it

01:04:36.980 And you're tapped out

01:04:38.080 And, you know, it's nothing personal

01:04:40.700 It's just the people

01:04:41.420 Kind of get sick of your face

01:04:42.760 That's why the Americans 0.98

01:04:43.700 I think have, you know

01:04:45.000 That two-term limit for presidents

01:04:47.160 It actually probably has spared

01:04:49.560 The political life of a lot of presidents

01:04:51.440 After about eight years

01:04:53.040 You're done like dinner

01:04:54.520 You know, the last guy

01:04:56.100 Who was able to pull it into three terms

01:04:58.640 Was my guy, Jean Chrétien

01:05:00.480 Before that, Mackenzie King

01:05:02.500 Before that, Wilford Laurier

01:05:04.060 It's really hard to do

01:05:06.120 So, you know, I don't think Trudeau

01:05:08.920 Or his supporters should feel badly

01:05:11.040 That he's unpopular

01:05:13.000 You know, he's been there for eight years

01:05:15.980 But what's fascinating is

01:05:18.120 They're not rushing to the Tory option

01:05:20.940 Because of who their leader is

01:05:22.600 They're rushing to the Tory option

01:05:24.500 Because they would like to see Justin go

01:05:26.800 Did it help your guy, Jean Chrétien

01:05:29.420 That the Conservatives were broken up

01:05:31.820 Into several pieces

01:05:32.860 When he got that third majority

01:05:34.860 It didn't hurt

01:05:37.880 But, you know

01:05:38.880 The point I always make to people

01:05:40.620 Is, well, you know

01:05:41.300 Those of us on the progressive side

01:05:43.060 Our vote was broken up too

01:05:44.720 With an established

01:05:45.940 Very respectable party

01:05:47.600 In the form of the NDP

01:05:48.740 We always had to compete with them

01:05:51.180 For votes on the center and the left

01:05:53.600 So, you know

01:05:55.540 Everybody has this challenge

01:05:57.260 But yeah, you know

01:05:58.880 When the Conservative Party

01:06:00.480 Blew to bits in 93

01:06:01.760 You know, with some of it going off

01:06:04.020 To be Lucien Bouchard's

01:06:05.660 Bloc Québécois

01:06:06.780 And some of it going off

01:06:08.300 To be Preston Manning's

01:06:09.640 Reform Party

01:06:10.900 Yeah, we benefited from that

01:06:12.680 But we still had to contend

01:06:13.940 With the Green Party

01:06:14.780 And the NDP

01:06:15.560 All right

01:06:16.920 I don't want to argue too much

01:06:18.480 About history

01:06:19.260 Everyone has different circumstances

01:06:20.720 My guess is

01:06:21.960 My guess is

01:06:21.980 If the Conservative Party

01:06:23.520 Was split into two

01:06:24.520 Right now

01:06:25.200 Let's say it was

01:06:25.740 The Progressive Conservatives

01:06:26.820 And the Alliance

01:06:28.120 Like the days before

01:06:29.380 Harper and McKay

01:06:30.740 Cut the cake

01:06:31.400 My guess is

01:06:32.400 The polls would still say

01:06:33.520 That Trudeau is behind

01:06:34.660 But I doubt that he'd be behind

01:06:36.160 By 15 or 20 points

01:06:37.380 Yeah, no

01:06:37.940 You're absolutely right

01:06:39.360 I mean, look what happened

01:06:40.120 In Alberta

01:06:40.620 Danielle Smith is a disaster 1.00

01:06:42.760 In my opinion 0.98

01:06:43.580 She's the worst Premier

01:06:45.100 In Alberta's history

01:06:46.580 But she won a majority

01:06:48.220 Because, you know

01:06:49.740 The two warring factions

01:06:52.100 Of the Conservative movement

01:06:53.660 In Alberta came together

01:06:54.860 Same thing in British Columbia

01:06:56.640 You know, you got the Conservatives

01:06:58.720 And the United folks

01:07:00.860 Warring it out

01:07:02.060 For that side

01:07:03.220 Of the vote proposition

01:07:05.380 And the NDP's way ahead

01:07:07.100 As a result

01:07:07.600 So yes, for sure

01:07:08.720 It is a factor

01:07:10.040 But I would say

01:07:11.900 You know, here

01:07:13.460 There is a holdback

01:07:15.000 About Pierre Polyev

01:07:16.260 And, you know

01:07:18.060 I don't know

01:07:18.460 If it's the angry stuff

01:07:19.900 I don't know

01:07:20.480 If it's because

01:07:20.900 They don't know him yet

01:07:21.980 But there's a holdback

01:07:23.160 Well, I can

01:07:24.440 You know, I mean

01:07:25.140 For what it's worth

01:07:26.260 I'll give you my gut

01:07:27.260 I mean, he's just

01:07:28.200 Not a very

01:07:28.760 Likeable character

01:07:30.360 He just does

01:07:31.020 A whole lot of things

01:07:31.840 That aren't very

01:07:32.500 Prime ministerial

01:07:33.540 I mean, recently

01:07:34.060 He just

01:07:34.480 For instance

01:07:35.900 You know

01:07:36.700 You had an NDP guy

01:07:38.100 Retiring after 20 years

01:07:39.400 Charlie Angus

01:07:40.080 I mean, I get that

01:07:41.100 He's been a thorn

01:07:41.740 In the Tory side forever

01:07:42.920 But instead of

01:07:43.760 Pierre Polyev

01:07:44.360 Just wishing him

01:07:45.020 Good luck

01:07:45.460 Or saying nothing

01:07:46.560 At all

01:07:47.000 You know

01:07:47.660 Came out with

01:07:48.220 The talking points

01:07:49.460 About how

01:07:49.960 Charlie Angus

01:07:51.060 Who is a hunter

01:07:51.820 He wants to take

01:07:52.780 Rifles away from hunters

01:07:54.020 In northern Ontario

01:07:56.460 And there's something

01:07:57.080 Anyway

01:07:57.380 It was just one of these

01:07:58.140 Talking point things

01:07:59.680 That a nine-year-old

01:08:00.700 Could write

01:08:01.120 And for some reason

01:08:02.280 Polyev decided to do that

01:08:03.720 It's just one of many things

01:08:04.940 That he does

01:08:05.380 That just doesn't appear

01:08:06.600 To be prime ministerial

01:08:07.580 When he's munching the apple

01:08:09.400 Talking to a no-name

01:08:11.880 Lightweight journalist

01:08:13.440 Somewhere in a Kelowna orchard

01:08:14.920 And the Conservatives

01:08:16.060 Absolutely ate that up

01:08:17.380 Ate up the apple

01:08:18.280 Ate up the act

01:08:19.080 But for a lot of people

01:08:20.220 That too is not

01:08:21.100 Not prime ministerial

01:08:22.400 Nothing your guy

01:08:24.100 Nothing your guy

01:08:25.400 Jean-Claude Jean would have done

01:08:26.360 No

01:08:27.380 And Shannon Proudfoot

01:08:28.740 Who's to me

01:08:29.700 Is one of the best

01:08:30.520 Political columnists

01:08:31.480 In the country

01:08:32.080 Wrote about

01:08:32.900 What you just described

01:08:34.260 In the Globe and Mail

01:08:35.420 I encourage everybody

01:08:36.380 To go take a look at it

01:08:37.320 You know

01:08:37.860 I was pretty mad

01:08:38.660 And Angus has got

01:08:39.540 A punk rock past

01:08:40.440 Like me

01:08:40.960 So I've always liked

01:08:42.380 That about him

01:08:43.040 I haven't liked

01:08:45.580 His position

01:08:46.320 On Israel lately

01:08:47.540 But you know

01:08:49.000 He's leaving

01:08:49.600 Like he's gone

01:08:50.500 So you know

01:08:51.740 What's wrong

01:08:52.300 With saying something nice

01:08:53.480 That is the tradition

01:08:54.720 In politics

01:08:55.640 You duke it out

01:08:56.980 But when the game's over

01:08:58.300 Everybody takes

01:08:59.040 Their jerseys off

01:09:00.040 And they all have

01:09:00.560 A beer together

01:09:01.260 That's what I grew up with

01:09:02.900 In you know

01:09:03.960 In Kretzian's knee 1.00

01:09:05.020 And like

01:09:05.940 Polly Ev does have

01:09:07.280 This different

01:09:08.060 Angry approach

01:09:09.340 You see it with Trump

01:09:10.660 You see it with the MAGA people

01:09:12.020 Where they're just

01:09:13.000 Pissed off all the time

01:09:14.380 And like for sure

01:09:15.700 It's working right now

01:09:17.520 Because a lot of people

01:09:18.640 Are pissed off right now

01:09:19.760 For all kinds of

01:09:20.420 Different reasons

01:09:21.160 But when they stop

01:09:22.440 Being pissed off

01:09:24.020 Because you can't

01:09:24.680 Sustain anger

01:09:25.700 As a political commodity

01:09:27.280 For a long period of time

01:09:28.480 I just

01:09:29.140 I guarantee it

01:09:30.300 It is not something

01:09:31.300 You can turn into

01:09:32.180 A lifestyle

01:09:32.980 And

01:09:34.020 These guys

01:09:35.680 Sooner or later

01:09:36.900 They're going to

01:09:37.340 Find voters going

01:09:38.420 Saying

01:09:40.740 Well Pierre

01:09:41.660 Can't you say

01:09:42.180 Something positive

01:09:42.860 Can't you come up

01:09:44.180 With an idea

01:09:44.740 Of your own

01:09:45.300 Why are you against

01:09:46.500 Everything all the time

01:09:47.280 You and I

01:09:47.740 Have heard that said

01:09:48.720 About past

01:09:49.860 Angry opposition leaders

01:09:51.480 And I can see it

01:09:52.840 Coming for this guy

01:09:53.840 And it

01:09:54.420 And it'll be

01:09:55.180 Particularly a problem

01:09:56.060 Getting back to

01:09:56.660 What we were talking

01:09:57.220 About a minute ago

01:09:58.080 If Justin leaves

01:09:59.720 Like it's a whole

01:10:00.660 New ball game

01:10:01.400 I went through

01:10:01.940 The history of it

01:10:02.900 You know

01:10:03.620 With Turner

01:10:04.440 When Turner

01:10:05.140 Became liberal leader

01:10:06.320 He was way ahead

01:10:07.420 Of Mulroney for months

01:10:08.520 When

01:10:09.280 Chrétien became 0.88

01:10:10.800 Liberal leader

01:10:11.420 He was way ahead

01:10:12.780 Of Mulroney for months

01:10:14.900 Like

01:10:15.220 Harper etc

01:10:17.100 Whenever you get

01:10:18.020 A new leader

01:10:18.820 They get a honeymoon

01:10:19.960 In some cases

01:10:20.920 Studies have shown

01:10:21.960 The honeymoons

01:10:22.880 Can last

01:10:23.540 Years

01:10:24.460 Well in Gretchen's case 1.00

01:10:25.540 It lasted

01:10:25.960 For 10 years

01:10:27.220 But like

01:10:28.200 It can last

01:10:29.100 For a year

01:10:29.640 It can last

01:10:30.160 For 6 months

01:10:30.980 So this is

01:10:31.900 The great danger

01:10:32.780 I've said

01:10:33.320 To my conservative

01:10:34.060 Friends

01:10:34.560 Like you guys

01:10:35.600 Are putting

01:10:35.900 All your eggs

01:10:36.780 In the Justin Trudeau

01:10:37.780 Basket

01:10:38.260 What if he plays

01:10:39.400 Rope-a-dope

01:10:39.980 With you

01:10:40.460 And he disappears

01:10:41.680 Sometime in the next

01:10:42.520 Few months

01:10:43.120 Like you're gonna

01:10:43.880 Have to go back

01:10:44.380 To the drawing board

01:10:45.220 Warren Kinsella

01:10:46.740 Expectations are

01:10:47.620 Everything in politics

01:10:48.540 The first debate

01:10:49.760 And I'm making

01:10:51.040 The assumption

01:10:51.500 That Justin Trudeau

01:10:52.180 Is staying

01:10:52.460 So just humor me

01:10:53.580 For a while

01:10:54.300 I mean he is

01:10:54.860 He is there right now

01:10:56.020 He says he's staying

01:10:56.780 So I'm just gonna go

01:10:57.880 With the idea

01:10:58.400 That he's staying

01:10:58.940 To introduce this proposition

01:11:00.840 And that is

01:11:01.520 Expectations

01:11:02.620 If expectations

01:11:03.760 Are high

01:11:04.500 Before the campaign

01:11:05.920 Begins

01:11:06.380 That Pierre Paulyeb

01:11:07.900 Will not only win

01:11:08.700 But he'll win a landslide

01:11:09.880 What happens

01:11:11.000 In that all

01:11:11.720 Important first debate

01:11:13.100 That happens to be

01:11:13.940 In French

01:11:14.380 Despite the fact

01:11:15.500 That it's in French

01:11:16.180 It does get coverage

01:11:17.560 And people

01:11:18.420 Do make judgments

01:11:19.660 Columnists

01:11:20.260 Pundits

01:11:20.660 Others make

01:11:21.200 Judgments on how

01:11:22.260 Paulyeb

01:11:22.800 Did against Justin Trudeau

01:11:24.460 And that can alter

01:11:25.120 Expectations

01:11:25.860 Do you think

01:11:26.760 There's a lick

01:11:27.780 Of a chance

01:11:28.500 That Pierre Paulyeb

01:11:30.400 In French

01:11:31.060 And I realize

01:11:32.180 He speaks French

01:11:32.880 But do you think

01:11:33.560 There's any chance

01:11:34.460 At all

01:11:34.860 That Pierre Paulyeb

01:11:36.200 Will best

01:11:37.060 Justin Trudeau

01:11:38.720 On the debate stage

01:11:39.880 In Quebec

01:11:40.440 No

01:11:41.340 And if Champagne

01:11:44.080 If Frankie Bubbles

01:11:45.160 Who's my favorite

01:11:46.380 Liberal candidate

01:11:47.360 With the leadership

01:11:48.480 He'll kick 1.00

01:11:49.440 Paulyeb's ass too 1.00

01:11:50.780 Right 1.00

01:11:51.100 Because you know

01:11:51.840 French

01:11:52.620 And fairness

01:11:53.140 To the guy

01:11:53.620 Is not his first language

01:11:55.060 And it's a problem

01:11:56.180 For Paulyeb

01:11:56.900 Because right now

01:11:57.740 The one province

01:11:58.720 Where he's behind

01:11:59.900 If you look at

01:12:00.760 All these pollsters

01:12:01.620 Is in the province

01:12:02.720 Of Quebec 0.53

01:12:03.180 Liberal party

01:12:03.960 Is still competitive

01:12:04.920 In the province

01:12:05.640 Of Quebec 0.53

01:12:06.040 And is going to

01:12:07.080 Maintain a presence

01:12:07.980 There after the next election

01:12:09.380 So yeah

01:12:10.840 But it's not just

01:12:13.060 A language thing

01:12:13.900 Quebecers 0.66

01:12:14.940 You and I

01:12:15.840 Have both lived in Quebec

01:12:16.800 I was born in Quebec

01:12:17.860 Quebecers have pretty good 0.99

01:12:19.300 Political antenna

01:12:20.160 And you know

01:12:22.660 They tend to favor

01:12:24.420 Those who are on

01:12:25.680 The progressive side

01:12:26.440 Of the spectrum

01:12:26.940 And I know

01:12:27.660 Conservatives

01:12:28.220 This woman are saying 0.83

01:12:29.160 But they voted

01:12:30.300 Overwhelmingly

01:12:31.180 For Moroni

01:12:31.860 And it's like

01:12:32.320 Well yeah

01:12:32.620 Moroni was a

01:12:33.480 Progressive conservative

01:12:34.540 Like he could have

01:12:35.580 Run as a Liberal

01:12:36.340 Easily

01:12:37.480 So you know

01:12:39.680 The style

01:12:41.220 Of Paulyeb's politics

01:12:43.320 As well as

01:12:44.300 The ideology

01:12:45.020 Of his politics

01:12:46.100 Is a problem

01:12:47.020 For him

01:12:47.380 In the province

01:12:47.720 Quebec

01:12:47.940 And you know

01:12:48.980 The Liberals

01:12:49.460 Are still going to win

01:12:50.300 Lots of seats

01:12:51.040 In Metro Toronto

01:12:52.480 As well

01:12:53.060 So you know

01:12:54.500 This thing

01:12:54.980 Ain't over

01:12:56.020 Until it's over

01:12:56.780 So what happens

01:12:57.780 To the expectations game

01:12:58.960 When Trudeau 1.00

01:12:59.480 Kicks Paulyeb's ass 1.00

01:13:01.160 In French 1.00

01:13:01.900 And it's not just

01:13:02.540 About the French

01:13:03.280 There will be

01:13:04.020 Several points

01:13:04.700 That Trudeau

01:13:05.160 Will make

01:13:05.600 That will make

01:13:06.500 The sloganeering

01:13:07.420 Paulyeb

01:13:08.520 Look a little bit

01:13:09.280 On the petite

01:13:10.260 On the small side

01:13:11.740 Don't you think

01:13:12.500 That affects

01:13:12.980 Expectations

01:13:13.700 In the course

01:13:14.140 Of the campaign

01:13:14.620 And affects

01:13:15.400 Campaign dynamics

01:13:16.580 Well for sure

01:13:17.940 And you know

01:13:18.540 Guys like you

01:13:19.360 And me

01:13:19.620 What do we do

01:13:20.260 We come down

01:13:21.220 From the hills

01:13:21.780 And we shoot 0.98

01:13:22.340 The wounded 0.98

01:13:22.840 And that's exactly

01:13:26.980 What we're going to do

01:13:27.960 As soon as

01:13:29.140 He stumbles

01:13:30.200 In a debate

01:13:31.120 Because they've

01:13:32.100 Raised expectations

01:13:33.100 So freaking high

01:13:34.500 For this guy

01:13:35.320 Right

01:13:35.980 It's like the sun 1.00

01:13:37.060 Shines out of his ass 1.00

01:13:38.280 For most of them 1.00

01:13:39.200 And it's like

01:13:40.340 Guys

01:13:41.100 Like he's not

01:13:42.240 He's not Jesus 0.90

01:13:43.220 Like he's

01:13:43.860 He's just a man

01:13:44.900 And like

01:13:45.780 When he stumbles

01:13:46.500 As we all do

01:13:47.720 And he

01:13:48.680 You know

01:13:49.080 Stumbles in a debate

01:13:50.120 You know

01:13:50.740 Guys like you

01:13:51.420 And me

01:13:51.660 Are going to be on him

01:13:52.340 Like a pack of dogs

01:13:53.620 So yeah

01:13:54.680 It's going to be

01:13:55.620 But that's what

01:13:56.940 Makes it so much fun

01:13:57.920 That's why it's so much fun

01:13:58.960 Writing about politics

01:13:59.920 And talking about it

01:14:01.020 But you know

01:14:01.900 Just when they talk

01:14:03.140 These days about how

01:14:04.240 He's got a majority

01:14:05.180 It's a shoe in

01:14:06.300 You know

01:14:07.120 Sometimes I say

01:14:07.840 I'm either too old

01:14:08.620 Or I'm just too experienced

01:14:09.460 I've seen this

01:14:10.220 I've seen this game before

01:14:11.440 And peaking early

01:14:12.400 Peaking early

01:14:13.300 Is bad news

01:14:13.880 Go ahead

01:14:14.320 One word

01:14:15.480 Juggernaut

01:14:16.680 Yes

01:14:17.180 Remember Susan Delacorte's book

01:14:19.360 Juggernaut

01:14:20.540 How Paul Martin

01:14:21.700 Was going to win

01:14:22.560 Almost exactly

01:14:23.460 The same number of seats

01:14:24.680 225 seats

01:14:26.600 Well guess what

01:14:27.880 He didn't

01:14:28.660 Sorry Susan

01:14:29.520 You're wrong

01:14:30.660 And you'll be wrong forever

01:14:32.560 It's really

01:14:33.780 You know

01:14:34.520 As my colleague

01:14:35.480 Brian Lilly

01:14:36.140 Says all the time 1.00

01:14:37.560 You know Brian well

01:14:38.560 He says

01:14:39.580 He just refuses

01:14:41.380 To accept

01:14:42.080 That it's going to be like this

01:14:43.120 He said

01:14:43.420 Voters are fickle

01:14:44.540 Campaigns matter

01:14:46.040 Voters change their minds

01:14:47.920 And so we're

01:14:49.700 That is almost certainly

01:14:52.040 What's going to happen

01:14:52.960 And I still believe

01:14:54.680 That Justin

01:14:55.280 Is not a dummy

01:14:56.500 He's seen the polls

01:14:57.860 Like the rest of us

01:14:58.700 And he's like

01:14:59.200 It's time for me

01:15:00.380 Move on

01:15:01.040 I've had my eight years

01:15:02.200 As prime minister

01:15:03.360 Ten years as liberal leader

01:15:04.620 It's time for me

01:15:06.600 To go and do some other stuff

01:15:07.660 But one of the reasons

01:15:08.640 I've got a problem

01:15:09.520 With this whole

01:15:10.160 Polyev gets an

01:15:11.920 Overwhelming majority

01:15:12.800 I have literally

01:15:14.820 Walked

01:15:16.000 Or driven

01:15:16.740 Every single

01:15:18.160 Kilometer

01:15:19.140 In 905

01:15:20.700 Area code

01:15:22.180 In the suburbs

01:15:22.720 Of Toronto

01:15:23.620 I know those folks

01:15:25.320 Like the back of my hand

01:15:26.260 The idea that

01:15:27.300 All of them

01:15:27.940 Will go from red

01:15:29.640 To blue

01:15:30.140 In one election cycle

01:15:31.760 And that the blue

01:15:32.480 Will be

01:15:32.800 Pierre Polyev

01:15:33.780 I'm sorry

01:15:34.680 I'd have to lose

01:15:36.580 Everything that I know

01:15:37.660 About life

01:15:38.240 The human condition

01:15:39.420 And my friends

01:15:40.440 And neighbors

01:15:40.940 In that part of the world

01:15:41.880 To think that'll happen

01:15:42.980 Yeah

01:15:43.940 No

01:15:44.320 It

01:15:44.600 The

01:15:45.740 You know

01:15:46.480 The category

01:15:47.080 He needs

01:15:48.140 Is the most powerful

01:15:49.420 Force

01:15:50.020 In modern politics

01:15:51.740 Which is

01:15:52.680 The suburban moms 0.67

01:15:53.840 Right

01:15:54.320 Suburban women 1.00

01:15:55.300 And they have eluded

01:15:57.200 The conservative party's

01:15:58.460 Grasp since

01:15:59.700 Well

01:16:00.700 Since Mulroney

01:16:01.540 Really

01:16:02.040 Harper

01:16:03.240 You know

01:16:04.100 Benefited from

01:16:05.160 The split

01:16:05.880 On the left

01:16:06.560 By the NDP

01:16:07.300 Doing very well

01:16:08.420 But

01:16:09.300 You know

01:16:09.780 You're absolutely right

01:16:10.840 Right now

01:16:11.680 The polls say that

01:16:12.980 Polyev is doing

01:16:14.140 Better with women 1.00

01:16:15.160 Than he previously did

01:16:17.480 But previously

01:16:18.320 Like he was in big trouble

01:16:19.780 With suburban women 0.99

01:16:21.020 So that's

01:16:21.800 That's what I'm watching for

01:16:23.020 To see what they do

01:16:23.940 Well

01:16:24.920 As you know

01:16:25.640 Social programs

01:16:27.400 Matter

01:16:27.840 And

01:16:28.860 When

01:16:29.520 Trudeau

01:16:30.440 And anybody else

01:16:31.420 In liberal party messaging

01:16:32.940 Really

01:16:33.980 Puts in front of

01:16:35.060 The suburban women 1.00

01:16:36.000 The idea

01:16:36.560 That

01:16:37.360 Polyev would slash

01:16:39.200 You know

01:16:40.320 Child care

01:16:40.800 Dental care

01:16:41.380 All of the other

01:16:42.300 Social programs

01:16:43.220 And of course

01:16:44.080 He's not going to say

01:16:44.780 That he will

01:16:45.300 He's not going to say

01:16:46.060 That he won't

01:16:46.620 But in a debate

01:16:47.740 Body language

01:16:48.600 I think I want you

01:16:49.620 To talk about this

01:16:50.440 A little bit

01:16:50.840 Because debates do matter

01:16:52.220 In a situation like this

01:16:53.520 Body language matters

01:16:55.020 Much more than

01:16:55.860 Rhetorical language

01:16:56.840 What will the body language

01:16:58.680 Be on Pierre

01:16:59.480 Polyev

01:17:00.340 When Pierre Trudeau's

01:17:01.900 Son

01:17:02.120 Justin

01:17:02.700 Puts it to the public

01:17:04.500 And puts it to

01:17:05.420 Polyev's face 0.72

01:17:06.400 That we know

01:17:07.660 Everyone knows

01:17:08.800 That you will slash

01:17:10.060 Daycare

01:17:10.680 You will slash

01:17:11.720 Those social programs

01:17:12.780 What will

01:17:13.480 Polyev's body language 0.98

01:17:14.800 Say

01:17:15.100 Well the body language

01:17:17.380 Is super important

01:17:18.200 In debates

01:17:18.720 I've gotten

01:17:19.180 Prime ministers

01:17:19.900 And premiers

01:17:20.720 Ready for debates

01:17:21.840 That they've done

01:17:22.540 Well in

01:17:23.160 Like the thing

01:17:24.300 I learned

01:17:24.800 This is not a

01:17:25.840 Political thing

01:17:26.300 It's a journalism

01:17:26.900 Thing

01:17:27.420 I learned from

01:17:28.120 The great

01:17:28.460 George Freycor

01:17:29.560 At Carlton University

01:17:30.740 TV is pictures

01:17:32.720 That's what he'd say

01:17:33.400 To us over and over again

01:17:34.400 TV is pictures

01:17:35.840 TV is pictures

01:17:36.900 It's an emotional medium

01:17:38.780 It's not a rational medium

01:17:40.480 And you know

01:17:42.120 How you look

01:17:43.060 You know

01:17:43.560 Gordon Campbell

01:17:44.240 In DC

01:17:44.720 Once said to me

01:17:45.760 You know

01:17:46.880 I said he'd done well

01:17:48.020 In the debate

01:17:48.580 He said

01:17:49.000 No I didn't

01:17:50.040 And I said

01:17:50.500 Well why not

01:17:51.240 And he said

01:17:51.920 Warren

01:17:52.240 It's 70%

01:17:53.460 How you look

01:17:54.100 It's 20%

01:17:55.180 How you sound

01:17:55.900 And it's 10%

01:17:57.180 What you say

01:17:57.940 And of course

01:17:58.940 He's right

01:17:59.500 You know

01:18:00.140 Is 0.88

01:18:00.680 If you're too hot

01:18:02.200 For TV

01:18:02.920 You're too hot 0.91

01:18:03.900 For the medium

01:18:04.500 As the great

01:18:05.400 Canadian

01:18:05.800 Marshall McLuhan

01:18:06.700 Said

01:18:07.120 You turn people off

01:18:08.600 And that is a challenge

01:18:10.100 That Polyev has got 1.00

01:18:11.320 Is unlike Justin

01:18:12.620 You know

01:18:12.920 Justin's a drama teacher

01:18:14.240 Big deal

01:18:14.980 So is Zelensky

01:18:16.220 Zelensky's the most 1.00

01:18:17.080 Popular politician

01:18:18.000 In the world

01:18:18.560 Because he knows

01:18:19.360 How to work a camera

01:18:20.380 Justin knows

01:18:21.620 How to work a camera

01:18:22.620 As well

01:18:23.080 He's quite good at it

01:18:24.200 And Polyev

01:18:25.580 I'll give him some credit

01:18:26.720 He's trying

01:18:27.600 He's smiling more

01:18:28.820 He's ditched the glasses

01:18:30.380 You know

01:18:30.940 He's trying to look

01:18:31.600 More like the everyman

01:18:32.800 But the TV

01:18:34.040 You know

01:18:34.460 The TV camera

01:18:35.660 Like I'm looking at you

01:18:36.940 And you're looking at me

01:18:37.760 It's the truth teller

01:18:39.180 People feel

01:18:40.340 They have an ability

01:18:41.260 To look

01:18:41.920 At the images

01:18:42.940 That are on their screen

01:18:44.100 And see if that person

01:18:45.760 Is telling the truth

01:18:46.860 Right

01:18:47.380 That's the political reality

01:18:49.140 Of leaders' debates

01:18:50.320 And

01:18:51.240 You know

01:18:52.520 The optics of Pierre

01:18:53.880 Are better than they used to be

01:18:56.100 But his optics

01:18:57.040 Are not as good as Trudeau's

01:18:58.400 So when Justin Trudeau says

01:19:00.100 Mr. Polyev

01:19:00.900 You keep talking about

01:19:01.620 Axing the tax

01:19:02.560 But you don't care about the tax

01:19:04.140 You care about

01:19:05.080 Childcare

01:19:06.020 You want to axe

01:19:07.200 Childcare

01:19:07.840 Don't you

01:19:08.460 Now

01:19:09.100 Pierre Polyev

01:19:10.420 When he hears that

01:19:11.360 Will either look angry

01:19:13.080 Because that's his default position

01:19:14.800 Or he'll look cold

01:19:16.440 Which is his other position

01:19:17.640 Angry and cold

01:19:18.780 Which one of those positions

01:19:20.240 Appeals to suburban moms 0.98

01:19:21.360 On that question

01:19:22.400 No

01:19:23.400 You gotta look

01:19:24.020 You know

01:19:24.500 This is why liberals

01:19:25.340 And progressives

01:19:26.340 And democrats

01:19:26.920 Are better on social programs

01:19:29.320 Conservatives are better

01:19:30.920 On economics

01:19:31.920 For sure

01:19:32.520 And taxes

01:19:33.180 And law and order

01:19:34.080 But you know

01:19:35.600 The one thing I've learned

01:19:36.500 In getting people ready

01:19:37.400 For debates

01:19:38.100 Is I would

01:19:39.120 You know

01:19:39.760 I'd have answers

01:19:40.580 For my guys

01:19:41.540 On taxes

01:19:42.340 And law and order

01:19:43.340 And so on

01:19:44.000 But they're never

01:19:45.220 Going to be as convincing

01:19:46.540 As the conservative is

01:19:47.980 By the same token

01:19:49.280 A conservative

01:19:50.420 Who spends all his time

01:19:51.540 Talking about social programs

01:19:53.420 Is just not going to be

01:19:54.800 As convincing as us

01:19:55.880 Because people don't believe

01:19:57.100 They want to preserve

01:19:58.580 Social programs

01:19:59.360 Like you remember

01:20:00.240 Stockwell Day

01:20:01.260 In 2000

01:20:03.160 I put together

01:20:05.220 A commercial

01:20:05.840 Of the Calgary General Hospital

01:20:08.700 Being blown up

01:20:09.700 When he was treasurer

01:20:11.080 In the province of Alberta

01:20:12.100 And it was dramatic TV

01:20:14.700 It's a dramatic commercial

01:20:16.300 Why did I do that?

01:20:17.980 Well firstly

01:20:18.620 My dad used to work there

01:20:20.000 That was where

01:20:20.500 His laboratory was

01:20:21.720 So it was kind of personal

01:20:23.180 But you know

01:20:24.800 It showed that

01:20:26.820 Under these guys

01:20:27.840 They're going to blow up

01:20:28.880 You know

01:20:29.500 Healthcare

01:20:29.940 Like quite literally

01:20:31.200 And we ran that

01:20:33.380 Day took the bait

01:20:34.520 He stood up in the debate

01:20:35.820 Held up a sign

01:20:36.760 Saying no two-tier

01:20:38.240 Healthcare

01:20:38.720 Remember when he did that?

01:20:40.060 Yeah

01:20:40.200 And he could not

01:20:41.820 Be convincing

01:20:42.920 Because it's our issue

01:20:44.560 Charles

01:20:45.400 I'm sorry

01:20:46.200 They're boarding my plane

01:20:47.760 I just got noticed

01:20:49.260 That's alright

01:20:49.940 Get your

01:20:51.080 Get your

01:20:51.620 Carcass 0.92

01:20:54.180 Back to Canada

01:20:55.120 My friend

01:20:55.500 Thank you so much

01:20:56.180 We travel the land

01:21:16.180 We travel the sea

01:21:18.060 We travel the hair

01:21:19.860 But since we've been

01:21:20.780 On the streets here

01:21:21.620 We've been

01:21:22.300 An free

01:21:22.360 On the streets here

01:21:23.040 And the Jared

01:21:23.700 We'reади

01:21:24.100 Evil

01:21:24.780 Des Canvas

01:21:25.320 Been

01:21:25.560 One

01:21:26.240 Tonight

01:21:26.500 Bside

01:21:26.820 Back to Canada

01:21:28.320 Foreldrum of the sand

01:21:28.620 We shine away now, gone one way now

01:21:35.620 Unseen bullet, from the tree there's someone pulling

01:21:42.620 No one saw it coming, though it was aim for a target

01:21:49.620 With the river that was warning, though it was lead for a hit

01:21:56.620 It was a split decision, between the trigger and the gunman

01:22:04.620 Soon after, there was a loud音, the crowd scattered, someone fell

01:22:12.620 Later that day, the news was then it was an unseen bullet

01:22:18.620 Unseen bullet, discharged from the table of a gun

01:22:24.620 Unseen bullet, a daily brother on the ground

01:22:30.620 Unseen bullet, from the tree there's someone pulling

01:22:38.620 Unseen bullet, a daily sister down

01:22:46.620 It is so frivolous, among the nature of mankind

01:22:54.620 To see and know that these things do take place

01:22:58.620 What a waste with this staircase

01:23:01.620 Don't sit down and think, say they care for you

01:23:05.620 What's already in their mind to do the things they do

01:23:09.620 And although they do, we should still rise on through

01:23:13.620 Although I know they've talked it through

01:23:15.620 Determination I say, perseverance we know

01:23:20.620 We take us one day to the place we once knew

01:23:24.620 There's no place down there for the truth back to flow

01:23:27.620 So the end of it is old

01:23:30.620 Unseen bullet, from the tree there's someone pulling

01:23:36.620 Unseen bullet, standing on the tree there's someone pulling

01:23:38.620 Unseen bullet, standing on the tree there's someone pulling

01:23:42.620 Quoi for the two and one

01:23:44.620 Unseen bullet, from the tree there it takes

01:23:48.620 Let us see and learn

01:23:49.620 Unseen bullet, at the tree there's someone pulling

01:23:50.620 Unseen bullet,ekseling design

01:23:53.120 Determination I say first is better at me low

01:24:04.760 Determination I say first is better at me low

01:24:04.960 Determination I say first is better at me low

01:24:06.780 Determination I say first is better at me low

01:24:08.780 There's no place down there for the true life to flow

01:24:12.560 So the end of it is low

01:24:15.180 And sing you late

01:24:17.740 From the triggers of one bullet

01:24:21.000 And sing you late

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01:25:39.800 Let your laughter

KINSELLACAST 307： The end of multiculturalism？ With Lilley, Kheiriddin, Adler plus Israel Vibration, Wailers and more!

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