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KINSELLACAST 315: Tal-Or Cohen Montemayor, Brady, Belanger and more - plus Molly Payton, Angel Olsen, Slow Pulp, Lucy Dacus


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This week on The Kinsella's Cast, we hear from Tal and Cohen Montemayor, head of Cyberwell in Israel, and Molly Payton of Slow Pulp. We also hear from Greg Brady and Tasha Carrad.

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00:00:00.000 It's The Kinsella Cast, starring Warren Kinsella.
00:00:15.720 Hey, it's Warren. Welcome to The Kinsella Cast.
00:00:18.180 Sorry, I apologize it's late, but I have a good excuse.
00:00:20.980 I had to drive from the county this morning into Toronto.
00:00:24.160 On the way, I rescued a big, snappy turtle who's on the road.
00:00:28.040 Welcome, turtle. And then later on, this Blackbird was on the road.
00:00:33.400 It seemed to be stunned, so I got it off.
00:00:35.900 You're welcome, Blackbird.
00:00:37.200 So I was like Dr. Doolittle this morning.
00:00:39.620 It was really quite impressive. I think so, anyway.
00:00:43.060 And then I went straight to the United Jewish Appeals Walk for Israel
00:00:47.920 at Bathurst, kind of below the 401.
00:00:52.880 And man, like it was amazing.
00:00:56.660 Like I heard there were going to be 40,000 people there, maybe 50,000.
00:01:02.420 And there were. Like it was just jammed.
00:01:06.220 And I walked around and met people and shook hands.
00:01:11.320 And it was a very joyful atmosphere.
00:01:15.260 A lot of people were grateful about the rescue of the hostages, four hostages this week.
00:01:21.740 It was a really great event.
00:01:23.600 And I think everybody there needed it.
00:01:26.040 And I was glad to go and lend my support.
00:01:30.420 Great show this week.
00:01:31.800 I've got Tal or Cohen Montemayor.
00:01:34.400 And I have interviewed her before.
00:01:36.860 She is the head of an organization called CyberWell in Israel.
00:01:41.680 And she's brilliant.
00:01:42.860 And you'll hear her first talking about from the river to the sea,
00:01:47.200 which is this ubiquitous phrase that the anti-Israel, pro-Hamas people have been using for months.
00:01:53.140 And so we talk about the significance of that.
00:01:55.760 We've got Greg Brady and I talking about the by-election in St. Paul's,
00:02:01.120 which is pretty significant for the Trudeau government.
00:02:04.200 And then we've got our weekend panel talking about different stuff.
00:02:06.760 And Tasha Carrad and I duke it out.
00:02:09.580 I usually agree with her all the time because she is so smart.
00:02:13.540 But on this occasion, I do not agree with her.
00:02:17.180 So you'll hear that.
00:02:18.740 And then I've got some great music.
00:02:21.080 I've got Molly Payton from Australia, who I just adore.
00:02:25.160 And this song, actually all of these songs.
00:02:27.620 I've got Angel Olsen, Lucy Dacus, Slow Pulp. 1.00
00:02:32.360 They're all women. 1.00
00:02:33.800 And they all remind me of spring, these songs.
00:02:36.200 I love riding my bike and listening to these songs.
00:02:39.660 They're just genius songwriters and musicians.
00:02:44.080 And so I'm going to play you that.
00:02:45.860 And it's kind of a response to the people I ran into in Belleville last week
00:02:49.920 at another pro-Israel rally, who said to me,
00:02:52.460 you know, we really like your show.
00:02:54.320 We really like your podcast.
00:02:55.460 But some of the music, eh, I actually get that a lot.
00:03:00.240 But, you know, it's me.
00:03:02.420 It's, you know, it just, if I was playing Celine Dion,
00:03:05.900 it just wouldn't be Warren, would it?
00:03:07.600 No, it wouldn't.
00:03:08.840 So you're Canadian.
00:03:12.660 You've got a regular, normal life.
00:03:15.980 Imagine what it feels like when someone throws a bomb at your place of worship.
00:03:20.800 Like, imagine that.
00:03:22.380 And it's hard to, isn't it?
00:03:23.520 Like, of course it is.
00:03:25.220 Like, this is Canada.
00:03:26.340 It's not some place in the Middle East.
00:03:28.440 Maybe you don't go to church.
00:03:30.200 Maybe it's been a while since you've gone somewhere to pray.
00:03:32.400 But if you're Canadian, chances are that you've been to a wedding or a funeral or a baptism
00:03:37.160 or something like that.
00:03:38.440 Chances are that you've been to a place where people go to pray.
00:03:42.120 It's normal.
00:03:42.620 Even with dwindling rates of religion in this country, you know, it still happens. 1.00
00:03:50.800 Anyway, when you're there, you look around.
00:03:52.500 And apart from the clothes that they're wearing, maybe they're carrying a book of prayers or hymns or whatever.
00:03:58.800 Nobody's carrying anything special.
00:04:00.320 They're not carrying a gun or a knife or a pepper spray or a fire extinguisher.
00:04:05.200 Like, that's for sure.
00:04:06.880 Because you don't need those things when you go to a place of worship in Canada.
00:04:11.280 You go there for solitude or to be with other people.
00:04:14.500 And maybe when you're there, you become faintly aware of something.
00:04:17.600 You're totally, completely vulnerable.
00:04:22.040 You're defenseless, like everyone else is.
00:04:25.220 There's no security because you don't need it.
00:04:27.360 Not in Canada.
00:04:29.120 At the Shira Assetic Synagogue on Oak Street in Vancouver, they need security. 0.55
00:04:34.940 Since October 7th and before it, there's been trouble.
00:04:38.200 There's always been trouble, actually.
00:04:40.560 As far back as 2016, the Jewish Federation of Greater Vancouver
00:04:43.880 was tripling how much it spends on security for Jewish places of worship.
00:04:48.720 That didn't stop somebody from throwing a bomb
00:04:51.400 at the lovely inscribed doors of the synagogue last week.
00:04:56.080 However, people were inside praying
00:04:59.460 when a bomb slammed against the doors, bursting into flame.
00:05:04.800 So, like, imagine that.
00:05:06.440 You're somewhere in Canada praying and someone throws a bomb at you.
00:05:11.160 What does that feel like?
00:05:12.280 Like, can you even imagine it?
00:05:15.800 Aaron Soplaros doesn't have to imagine it.
00:05:18.720 He lived it.
00:05:20.580 He is the regional manager for B'nai B'rith in British Columbia.
00:05:25.900 Good guy.
00:05:26.980 His job is to advocate for the Jewish community in the Lower Mainland.
00:05:30.920 And he does that by fighting anti-Semitism and hate.
00:05:33.660 So hate in all of its forms, not just against Jews.
00:05:36.780 And to help out when one or some of Vancouver's 27,000 Jews needs a hand.
00:05:43.420 And he takes anti-Semitism seriously,
00:05:45.660 like along with being a Jew living in Canada post-October 7th.
00:05:50.440 Aaron is the grandson of Holocaust survivors.
00:05:53.160 And, you know, I asked him,
00:05:54.560 do you feel targeted for being a Jew in Canada these days?
00:05:58.000 And he said, every day.
00:06:00.680 On the night the firebomb hit the front doors of the synagogue,
00:06:04.520 he wasn't far away.
00:06:06.120 Synagogue is in this very nice Vancouver neighborhood, I can tell you.
00:06:10.240 It's just a bit south and east of Granville Island.
00:06:13.960 And Aaron told me what happened next.
00:06:15.740 Like, the second he got the call about the fire,
00:06:18.800 he jumped in his car, didn't know what to expect.
00:06:21.620 Like, this is a synagogue he'd attended every single week.
00:06:24.360 He first attended when he was 10 days old.
00:06:27.300 And when he got there, there were only a few congregants there.
00:06:30.080 One of them had actually thrown his coat on the fire to put it out.
00:06:33.520 And a lot of officers from the Vancouver Police and Fire Departments.
00:06:37.600 So Aaron made his way over to the police to find out what he could.
00:06:41.040 And more and more people started to arrive.
00:06:43.780 There were rabbis from different synagogues,
00:06:46.200 people who didn't attend that particular synagogue,
00:06:49.800 but many of the congregants.
00:06:52.280 And people were stunned.
00:06:53.740 They were horrified.
00:06:54.720 They were disgusted that such a large and important Jewish institution
00:06:58.960 could be targeted in such a violent and dangerous attack
00:07:02.720 because somebody could have been killed.
00:07:05.300 And he, you know, Aaron said to me,
00:07:06.880 it was especially concerning to him
00:07:08.940 that somebody harbored so much hate for Jews
00:07:12.660 that they'd be willing to try and burn down a synagogue 0.67
00:07:15.380 where people were inside, where people pray every day,
00:07:18.940 where volunteers packed food boxes for the needy.
00:07:21.920 He'd known some of the people outside for years,
00:07:24.980 so he tried to talk to them, to comfort them,
00:07:26.900 told them that he and others would be working with the police,
00:07:29.980 ensure that the bad people were found and brought to justice.
00:07:33.640 And he said, you know, he told them,
00:07:36.620 we don't want to see an escalation of these types of violent anti-Semitic attacks,
00:07:41.600 except there has been an escalation.
00:07:45.480 There has.
00:07:46.780 A big one right across the country.
00:07:49.520 In the same week, in fact,
00:07:52.260 schools for little Jewish kids in Montreal and Toronto
00:07:54.920 had been sprayed by bullets.
00:07:57.080 And I asked him about that,
00:07:58.260 and he said, well, yeah,
00:07:59.640 just our, you know, the firebombing in Vancouver came
00:08:02.660 just two days after the attacks in Montreal and Toronto.
00:08:06.400 And he said to me, I'm asking myself, what's next?
00:08:11.280 Like, we're way past the need for words and condemnations.
00:08:16.740 And he said to me, if our leaders don't act,
00:08:18.920 it's only a matter of time before people are injured or worse.
00:08:22.640 The violence and the incitement must end now.
00:08:26.020 Will it?
00:08:27.460 Will the violence targeting Canadian Jews end now?
00:08:30.400 Well, it hasn't. 0.98
00:08:32.960 Given the pathetic responses to date of some politicians and police and prosecutors, 0.92
00:08:39.060 chances are it won't. 0.90
00:08:41.260 Next time you're at your place of worship, think about that.
00:08:45.340 Next time you are praying, think about that.
00:08:48.980 Then think about what you'd feel when the bomb hits. 1.00
00:08:52.660 Oh, fuck, not again. 0.99
00:09:15.640 Every time that I feel it's plain, good things get red. 1.00
00:09:21.220 You step from the storm, baby, we should just be friends as you kiss my neck.
00:09:29.620 We were trying on a couple people just to get it right.
00:09:34.300 You fit me a little too tight.
00:09:37.900 Beautiful boy, you're living on lines.
00:09:42.100 Heaven a second gets you feeling right.
00:09:46.120 You're the kind of guy. 0.99
00:09:47.860 And I don't know what I know you're kind of crazy. 0.99
00:09:51.880 Always on one thing or another.
00:09:55.060 And you're so cool, baby.
00:09:58.100 Do you really know how to have fun?
00:10:08.020 Do you really know how to have fun?
00:10:11.860 We're always talking about how we don't have anything to talk about. 1.00
00:10:24.680 Maybe it's that shit that we put in our brains. 1.00
00:10:28.600 The way back when it's so romantic. 1.00
00:10:32.460 But the kids in the 60s all did the same.
00:10:36.180 And we're all trying on a couple people to get it right.
00:10:40.440 You fit me a little too tight.
00:10:44.100 Beautiful boy, you're living on lines.
00:10:48.240 Heaven in a second gets you feeling right.
00:10:52.300 How do we know when we've got it good?
00:10:56.320 How do we know where to leave when we shouldn't?
00:11:00.320 Yesterday calls, you've got nothing to say.
00:11:04.320 You're a beautiful boy, you're feeling okay.
00:11:08.900 You're the kind of guy that my mama would hate. 1.00
00:11:12.880 Oh, you're kind of crazy. 1.00
00:11:14.880 Always on one thing or another. 0.75
00:11:18.240 You're so cool, baby.
00:11:20.800 But do you really know how to have fun?
00:11:25.260 Oh, you're the kind of guy that my mama would hate. 1.00
00:11:29.380 Oh, you're kind of crazy. 1.00
00:11:31.220 You're the only one thing or another. 0.99
00:11:34.360 And you're so cool, baby.
00:11:37.420 But do you really know how to have fun?
00:11:41.060 Do you really know how to have fun?
00:12:11.060 Do you really know how to have fun?
00:12:16.820 So From the River to the Sea or From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free. 0.83
00:12:20.900 Obviously, it has its roots, actually, in terror organizations like the Palestinian Liberation Organization that was originally run by Arafat,
00:12:28.640 but also other terror organizations throughout the Middle East,
00:12:31.320 which made multiple speeches and really set the vision of driving out the Jews from the land of Israel,
00:12:37.260 that that was inextricably linked to Palestinian liberation and statehood, that it couldn't be.
00:12:42.780 It was never a two-state solution.
00:12:44.300 It was always about the removal of Jewish population from the place that their indigenousness to, which is the land of Israel. 0.65
00:12:50.820 Of course, after October 7th, there has been a weaponization of this term, both online and offline,
00:12:58.740 in the illegal encampment movements in the U.S. campuses,
00:13:01.820 but also in order to harass and target Jews online.
00:13:05.160 As part of the surge in anti-Semitism that we saw post-October 7th, Cyberwell tracked that there was an increase of 86% overall in online anti-Semitism,
00:13:16.140 so almost a doubling in online anti-Semitism in the three or four weeks following October 7th.
00:13:21.880 And from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free,
00:13:24.560 has become one of these slogans that on its face is innocuous and doesn't violate any specific digital policy,
00:13:32.860 but is being weaponized against Jews, both in online and offline spaces.
00:13:37.860 We've seen this term tagged and graffitied on synagogues, for example,
00:13:43.660 synagogues that had no signage outside in support of Israel,
00:13:47.060 for example, the historic synagogue of Barcelona, also synagogues in Philadelphia.
00:13:52.620 So it really has been turned into this phrase that's meant to target and harass Jews in their places of worship,
00:13:59.200 their communities, their campuses, and in online spaces.
00:14:02.560 Now, one thing you say in the report is it's veiled language.
00:14:09.060 And so what is the purpose then?
00:14:11.120 You know, why didn't they not just say, as they do, genocide?
00:14:15.040 Why not make the bald allegation?
00:14:17.260 Why this reliance on what would be considered, I guess, a dog whistle?
00:14:24.040 So I think that we've seen that the anti-Israel or pro-Palestinian movement,
00:14:32.480 like many other movements that are trying to normalize radical ideas,
00:14:37.720 don't come out and say exactly what they mean in the beginning.
00:14:42.980 This is something that's been consistent also with the BDS movement,
00:14:46.680 and it was consistent, by the way, with the Nazi movement in Germany, right?
00:14:49.760 Nobody started talking about the final solution against the Jewish people as point number one in the Third Reich
00:14:55.100 that took time to develop and kind of to prime and ready the fascist society of the Third Reich
00:15:01.980 in order to actually go that far.
00:15:03.740 I actually think that there are more worrying slogans that are very clear calls to violent mobilization and action,
00:15:11.180 such as globalize the Antifada, glory to our martyrs, long live our martyrs.
00:15:16.060 These are things that are inextricably linked to acts of terror and to glorifying acts of terror
00:15:20.020 that are also being used in online spaces and, of course, offline and demonstrations
00:15:25.740 and in the legal encampment movement.
00:15:27.860 What we see with From the River to the Sea is an attempt by the Oversight Board of Mehta,
00:15:33.880 which is the Supreme Court of Mehta,
00:15:36.380 to take on this issue of From the River to the Sea
00:15:39.160 and kind of give a good governance policy or digital policy on this specific language,
00:15:45.080 which has been used by Palestinian activists that are pro-two-state solution,
00:15:51.880 that are pro-Palestinian statehood,
00:15:53.520 just because its roots started off with terrorist organizations
00:15:56.920 doesn't necessarily mean that in every case that it's being used,
00:16:02.460 that it's being used to effectively drive out Jews from their indigenous land of Israel.
00:16:13.540 So even though they've been...
00:16:16.040 Sorry, I'm just going to regroup and answer your question again, if that's okay.
00:16:19.540 Go ahead.
00:16:20.220 The term is being used in order to normalize a radical concept,
00:16:25.020 not unlike what we've seen in other radical movements.
00:16:28.480 Like as with QAnon, as you pointed out in the report.
00:16:33.320 Yes, absolutely.
00:16:34.420 So one of the things that CyberWell came with as a solution to this issue
00:16:40.300 of how do you deal with From the River to the Sea
00:16:42.500 when it may have meanings to both sides, right?
00:16:46.740 Also to pro-Palestinian activists who are genuinely concerned about a humanitarian situation in Gaza
00:16:53.660 and, more importantly, want to advocate for Palestinian statehood.
00:16:57.760 And also means something very clear to Jews who see this as a call to commit genocide
00:17:04.340 against Jews living in Israel and to destroy Israeli statehood.
00:17:07.500 So how do you balance the fact that this specific failed term means multiple things?
00:17:12.140 We looked at a policy that Meta has on the books called the Militarized Groups Policy
00:17:19.140 that was used against the terminology where we go one, we go all,
00:17:23.140 that was typically affiliated with QAnon.
00:17:25.360 This policy started being enacted in terms of its removal and targeting of this phrase
00:17:30.700 and other QAnon pages, events, and accounts as early as August 2020
00:17:37.320 for the concern that the QAnon movement had become a violent conspiracy theory
00:17:42.780 that was actually looking to achieve violent ends. 0.70
00:17:46.700 And the argument that essentially CyberWell is making is this is already a policy on the books
00:17:51.140 with a conspiracy theory that caused significant real-world harm.
00:17:56.140 And if we would compare, you know, the January 6th insurrection,
00:17:59.820 which was a one-time event that caused a significant amount of damage
00:18:02.960 and institutional damage, of course,
00:18:05.400 and we're looking also at the illegal encampment movement in the U.S. campuses
00:18:09.560 and Canadian campuses today,
00:18:11.760 even if we tally up the amount of damage that's being done in the dollar amount,
00:18:15.840 there's significant evidence that there is very much real-world harm to public safety.
00:18:21.140 For calls to terror and, of course,
00:18:22.680 to targeting Jews and promoting anti-Semitism with this terminology.
00:18:27.320 And as such, we think it's responsible of the platforms
00:18:29.740 to treat this term specifically the same way that they would
00:18:33.280 when we go on, we go on.
00:18:34.940 How have they responded so far to that argument?
00:18:38.440 So CyberWell submitted this to the Oversight Board directly
00:18:41.980 as part of their process of creating a recommendation to Meta
00:18:46.420 on how to treat this term.
00:18:48.260 This is a first expert opinion and the first organization to cite this policy
00:18:53.740 as something that should be implemented for From the River to the Sea.
00:18:56.900 We will be sharing this public opinion with the platforms directly,
00:19:01.680 including other platforms,
00:19:02.980 because we think it's good governance in general on this policy,
00:19:06.780 given the level of real-world harm that has been committed
00:19:10.260 in the name of this slogan.
00:19:11.480 No, it's a fine piece of research, too.
00:19:15.040 So the etymology of it,
00:19:16.960 what are your origins of From the River to the Sea?
00:19:21.660 From the River to the Sea originally was used
00:19:25.000 by both the Palestinian Liberation Organization,
00:19:28.160 which was run by Yasser Arafan and at the time was a terrorist organization,
00:19:31.460 and also by other Arab leaders in the region
00:19:36.100 when kind of setting the tone for the vision
00:19:39.100 of what was supposed to be done with Israel.
00:19:41.420 In the beginning, there was no interest in a two-state solution.
00:19:45.880 This was definitely setting the vision that the only solution
00:19:48.600 for the Middle Eastern conflict was to drive out Jewish presence
00:19:51.980 from the land of Israel.
00:19:53.780 But after the Oslo Accords, specifically,
00:19:58.360 and when the PLO rejected terrorism on paper,
00:20:02.620 then this terminology continued to be promoted
00:20:05.800 by movements like the Boycott of Mesut and Sanctuary movements
00:20:10.760 in North America and various activists
00:20:14.020 who are calling for Palestinian statements.
00:20:16.620 So I think it's important to acknowledge
00:20:18.580 that this terminology does mean multiple things to multiple people.
00:20:23.780 And that when you're making digital policy in general for good governance,
00:20:28.220 you need to balance freedom of expression with public safety.
00:20:32.280 However, again, there is a policy that's already on the books
00:20:36.200 that treated a similarly, seemingly innocuous term,
00:20:39.880 something that is a late policy,
00:20:42.000 where we will go one, we go all,
00:20:44.020 with a significant treatment to actually de-amplify,
00:20:48.360 contain, and monitor the use of this term
00:20:51.160 when it's being used to promote harassment
00:20:53.600 and online bullying and targeting of users
00:20:55.920 because it was affiliated with a violent conspiracy theory.
00:20:59.300 And you can make the argument that the level of misinformation
00:21:02.000 and disinformation that's being spread
00:21:04.000 around the current defensive war in Gaza
00:21:06.300 is very much like a violent conspiracy theory
00:21:10.160 because you have young people who are extremely,
00:21:13.600 extremely activated by the levels of misinformation
00:21:18.160 and disinformation that they're seeing online on these platforms.
00:21:21.360 And it's causing them to commit real-world harm.
00:21:24.660 Just to give you a data point on that,
00:21:26.720 the University of Amsterdam,
00:21:29.160 which was also the site of an illegal encampment movement
00:21:32.280 and violent protest,
00:21:33.420 estimated that the damages caused to their buildings
00:21:35.820 and to neighborhoods in the surrounding area
00:21:38.520 is at about 1.5 million euros.
00:21:41.460 That's from one day of protesting, okay?
00:21:45.900 So again, the thing that the platforms look at
00:21:49.580 when they're considering how to limit specific slogans
00:21:54.440 is this consideration of real-world harm.
00:21:58.840 The real-world harm threshold has been met and surpassed
00:22:03.800 when it comes to the use of the term
00:22:05.560 from the river to the sea.
00:22:06.940 And it's time that the platforms take a consistent
00:22:11.440 and effective measure against the slogan
00:22:13.640 the same way that they did with QAnon.
00:22:17.500 Where in your data,
00:22:19.860 where are you finding geographically, demographically,
00:22:22.660 where are you finding its usage most prevalent?
00:22:26.660 So I can share with you,
00:22:28.600 I can check that specifically for you
00:22:30.920 and then get back to you
00:22:31.980 because we kind of tend to do a larger geographic
00:22:36.280 kind of sampling on all of our data,
00:22:38.780 not specifically related to the slogan.
00:22:41.120 But I can share with you
00:22:42.800 that in the geographic data that we have from 2023 alone,
00:22:48.880 that the United States, Germany, and Egypt
00:22:52.260 were our top three geolocations.
00:22:54.520 But I will be able to get back to you that,
00:22:56.320 but it's not phrase specific.
00:22:58.360 Thank you.
00:22:59.280 Final question for now.
00:23:03.900 You know, we've all seen this superficially funny videos
00:23:07.940 of students being asked,
00:23:10.260 you know, do you know what river and what sea? 0.92
00:23:13.780 And, you know, they get these ridiculous responses,
00:23:17.120 which to me at some level is kind of dangerous 0.78
00:23:20.400 because it minimizes the harm caused by this phrase.
00:23:24.920 Like, do we, do you have any sense
00:23:27.660 to CyberWell done any probing?
00:23:29.980 I know this would be a deep dive
00:23:31.380 into how many actually truly understand
00:23:35.340 the meaning and the significance
00:23:37.080 and how the words are in fact painful
00:23:40.440 to Jews and Jewish people.
00:23:43.840 It's a great survey question.
00:23:46.340 We at CyberWell look at online data
00:23:48.480 and we don't look at surveys.
00:23:50.100 But I can tell you that there are on both sides
00:23:55.280 this issue of, I don't think that the knowledge
00:23:58.140 of which river and which sea changes the fact
00:24:01.080 that if the language is meant to target the Jew,
00:24:05.060 over 95 of which in the North America
00:24:07.440 identify as Zionists, right? 0.75
00:24:10.380 They know which river and which sea.
00:24:12.780 And more importantly, even if nobody knew
00:24:14.900 which river and we see,
00:24:15.880 and all we were saying was long live the spaghetti monster,
00:24:18.160 and that was being a slogan that was used
00:24:21.000 in order to physically attack students,
00:24:24.600 harass students, target them in their dorm rooms,
00:24:27.800 spit on students, block members of the press 0.67
00:24:30.440 from entering the legal encampments,
00:24:32.600 bully people, harass people, et cetera,
00:24:34.980 and of course do millions of dollars of damage
00:24:37.400 to our public universities.
00:24:39.380 Even if the phrase was long live the spaghetti monster,
00:24:41.880 it wouldn't really matter.
00:24:42.920 What matters is the real world harm
00:24:45.000 that's being committed underneath this slogan
00:24:48.960 and refusing to recognize it
00:24:52.340 because it once meant something to somebody else.
00:24:55.940 It's refusing to recognize the real world damage
00:24:58.820 that it's causing and the fact that it's being used
00:25:01.080 to incite and mobilize violent acts
00:25:03.580 and even glorify terrorism
00:25:04.980 is detrimental to national security.
00:25:09.400 So it makes a lot of sense
00:25:11.580 that digital policy needs to reflect this sensitivity.
00:25:15.240 I ain't hanging up this time
00:25:19.200 I ain't giving up tonight
00:25:23.380 Even if you walk around
00:25:26.500 as though you'd think you're right
00:25:28.480 At your waist I still believe it's worth the fight
00:25:32.800 I could make it all go away
00:25:37.100 Tell me what you're thinking
00:25:40.260 Don't delay
00:25:41.600 We could still be having some sweet memories
00:25:46.900 This heart's two beats for you
00:25:49.560 Why can't you see? 1.00
00:25:51.940 Shut up, kiss me, hold me tight 1.00
00:25:54.020 Shut up, kiss me, hold me tight 1.00
00:25:58.260 Stop your crying, it's all right 1.00
00:26:02.520 Shut up, kiss me, hold me tight 0.99
00:26:06.400 Stop pretending I'm not there 1.00
00:26:11.360 When it's clear I'm not going anywhere
00:26:15.160 If I'm out of sight then take another look around
00:26:19.780 I'm still out there hoping to be found 0.99
00:26:23.880 Shut up, kiss me, hold me tight 0.99
00:26:26.640 Shut up, kiss me, hold me tight 1.00
00:26:30.940 Stop your crying, it's all right 1.00
00:26:34.980 Shut up, kiss me, hold me tight 1.00
00:26:38.780 Shut up, kiss me, hold me tight 1.00
00:26:40.820 I could make it all disappear 1.00
00:26:44.540 You could feed me all of your fears
00:26:49.460 We could end all this pain right here
00:26:53.740 We could rewind all of those tears
00:26:57.960 I could take it down to the floor
00:27:01.880 You don't have to feel it anymore
00:27:05.680 You don't have to feel it anymore
00:27:06.260 The love is so real that it can't be ignored
00:27:10.020 It's all over, baby
00:27:12.480 I'm still young
00:27:14.580 I'm still young 0.97
00:27:18.440 Shut up, kiss me, hold me tight 1.00
00:27:20.460 Shut up, kiss me, hold me tight 1.00
00:27:24.680 Stop pretending to my life 1.00
00:27:28.880 Shut up, kiss me, hold me tight 1.00
00:27:32.420 Shut up, kiss me, hold me tight 1.00
00:27:34.380 Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh 1.00
00:27:41.100 Oh, oh, oh, oh
00:27:45.100 Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
00:27:49.640 guitar solo
00:28:19.640 There's safe ridings and there's ridings that are always up in the air that you call kind of swing
00:28:38.440 ridings when things are looking great for the conservatives next thing you know that riding
00:28:42.640 turns blue when the liberals swept in in 2015 they won a bunch of seats they hadn't won in ages
00:28:48.500 they never lose usually in Toronto to the conservatives and if they do it's to the NDP
00:28:55.320 Toronto St. Paul's by-election is two weeks from Monday and it is a coin flip right now so it would
00:29:01.920 seem Carolyn Bennett held that riding for a lot of years she won four straight elections and the last
00:29:08.100 two she had 49 percent to the conservatives 25 and prior to that she had 54.3 percent in 2019
00:29:14.860 to the conservatives 21 but times have changed uh and a lot of people are wondering does Justin
00:29:20.460 Trudeau get kicked to the road if they can't hold on to this seat Warren Kinsella uh joins us right now
00:29:26.900 on the show we always enjoy our chats with him he of course um has uh has an opinion about whether
00:29:32.600 Justin Trudeau is sticking around for the next federal election or not he's CEO of the Daisy
00:29:36.020 group good morning good morning sir what do you think here um if the liberals are you still of
00:29:41.980 the mind Trudeau won't be the leader of the next uh election we go to likely in 16 months I am because
00:29:48.300 he's not a dummy and he's been behind his opponent his main opponent for 15 to 20 points for a year
00:29:55.920 actually more than a year so like he he can read a poll like the rest of us and he knows
00:30:01.940 he's a goner if he sticks around so I don't think he wants to stick around for that and in the case
00:30:07.420 of St. Paul's if they lose that one I can't believe we're actually talking I know the liberals losing
00:30:13.360 this is like what the Democrats used to call a yellow dog riding right you could run a yellow dog
00:30:19.420 in it and it would vote Democrat like this one is as liberal as liberal can be like if it's the end
00:30:25.660 of the world Greg and there's like one or two ridings left that are saved for the liberal party
00:30:31.580 one would be Mount Royal Montreal the other would be St. Paul's in Toronto like if they lose this one
00:30:37.260 it's like lights out I talked to and again maybe this is uh this is not necessarily indicative of
00:30:42.700 everybody but I talked to a friend of mine who lives in Davenport uh yesterday and they always
00:30:47.060 either vote NDP that's March Stiles provincial riding it's a really safe NDP or liberal riding
00:30:51.280 and he said all we have time for him all his neighbors is safety on the streets bottom line can we
00:30:58.960 pay our mortgage can we put food on the table can we get kids to university they don't care about
00:31:03.660 flags they don't care about what's going on overseas they don't care about any of that it's bottom line
00:31:08.360 meat and potatoes and if the liberals look like they're focusing too much on the other stuff Warren
00:31:12.780 they're in trouble in these kind of ridings they are and you know this is if you look at why is Pierre
00:31:17.740 Paulieva ahead why is he ahead as much as 20 points and just about every reputable poll you can see
00:31:24.240 it's because you know he does periodically talk about the Middle East he does periodically talk
00:31:29.560 about you know other stuff but the the thing that he sticks to he just doesn't let it go he's a dog
00:31:35.900 with a bone talk about dogs again is pocketbook issues because that is an issue in St. Paul and
00:31:42.960 it's an issue in Red Deer and it's an issue like in Smithers BC everywhere you go that is the main issue
00:31:49.820 the one that people are most preoccupied with and you know the liberals just have dropped the ball on
00:31:56.580 that one it's just hard to picture Justin Trudeau ever worrying about a rent or a mortgage payment
00:32:02.120 or the next hydro bill and Paulieva is much more credible on it and that's why something's happened
00:32:08.040 that I can't remember ever happening Pierre Paulieva the leader of the Conservative Party of Canada
00:32:13.660 actually is personally campaigned in St. Paul's used to be that you know that would just be a flyover
00:32:19.660 riding you know the leader would look down from his plane and wave at it like he's actually spent
00:32:25.320 time in St. Paul's that tells you they think they could win it I noticed um with this particular
00:32:30.280 riding um they've sent they have sent Christian Freeland out to campaign and knock on doors
00:32:35.080 not trying to be mean but Warren if you're that candidate uh would you be like I'm good on my own
00:32:41.700 like there's I there's a lot of polarization with the finance minister uh she's one of the most well-known 0.76
00:32:47.380 cabinet ministers you could send somebody from the suburbs somebody from where I live somebody from
00:32:51.340 London out and it's just going to be another face a smiling face at the door people know who
00:32:55.860 Christian Freeland is I'm not sure that's a great strategy no she's not a vote getter she's not a vote
00:33:02.480 winner I mean she is uh pretty close to the blast radius you know when the when the end times come for 1.00
00:33:09.400 the Trudeau guys but I mean she's there because Leslie Church is the liberal candidate used to work for
00:33:15.520 and you know Leslie Church I've known her for a decade and she's smart but she has no connection 1.00
00:33:20.640 to the riding you know her claim is well I lived in St. Paul's you know when I went to UT well that
00:33:26.980 that doesn't quite cut it and I think you know she worked for Freeland she was chief of staff to Freeland
00:33:33.520 and previously she'd worked for Google and she received lobbyists from Google after she worked in
00:33:40.900 Google and but you know she's just a classic Trudeau liberal she's been up there forever 1.00
00:33:45.760 and uh decided well I'm gonna head down to 401 and I'm gonna win this riding well not so fast it looks
00:33:52.580 like there is an excellent chance in two weeks time the liberals could lose it so there there is a lot
00:33:57.800 being written about this uh about this concept and the the phrase Althea Raj used it and um she's no
00:34:04.400 dummy she's connected she says there will be quote immense pressure on Trudeau to resign so you're
00:34:10.020 buying that if he loses if the liberals lose on the 24th no I am not buying it um with the greatest
00:34:15.820 respect to her like the thing you got to remember about Trudeau he's he's had he has had some big
00:34:22.660 accomplishments and his biggest political accomplishment was in 2015 taking the Liberal
00:34:28.380 Party of Canada which was in third place in the House of Commons the first place with a huge majority
00:34:34.840 like as much as people dislike him now that is a big big achievement and all of those liberals who
00:34:41.520 are there you know they owe their political careers to him right that's why you've never seen any of them
00:34:47.600 really rising up on their hind legs and saying he's got to go that happened to Martin that happened
00:34:53.500 to Turner that happened to a bunch of them but it doesn't happen to this guy because you know they're
00:34:58.620 all just kind of first termers so first term in a bit uh who owe everything to him so I I'm not sure
00:35:05.200 that they are going to do that but he should he should leave because it's not good to live
00:35:09.960 I don't wanna be funny anymore
00:35:17.540 I don't wanna be funny anymore
00:35:24.540 Lately I've been feeling like the odd man now
00:35:32.540 I heard my friends saying things I don't mean out loud
00:35:40.120 I don't wanna be funny anymore
00:35:46.120 I got a too short skirt maybe I can be the cute one
00:35:53.120 Is there room in the band I don't need to be the front man
00:36:00.700 If not then I'll be the biggest fan
00:36:07.500 I don't want the drip to be on me
00:36:14.200 Yeah I'll buy the clothes and I'll be the best dressed
00:36:21.780 Yeah I'll read the books and I'll be the smartest
00:36:28.780 I'll play guitar and I'll be the hardest
00:36:37.780 Try not to laugh
00:36:42.360 I know it'll be hard
00:36:46.360 I'm serious
00:36:48.560 I know it's the first part
00:36:53.360 I don't wanna be funny anymore
00:37:17.980 Yeah I'll be the gossip here through the grapevine
00:37:25.500 Pass it on she's done with me all time 1.00
00:37:34.800 That funny girl 0.94
00:37:38.360 Doesn't wanna smile for a while
00:37:44.240 This is CFRA Live Sunday Political Panel
00:37:49.120 And welcome to it 8.07 here on CFRA Live
00:37:54.920 Time for our Political Panel
00:37:56.060 Joining us on the phone this morning is Carl Belanger
00:37:58.140 He is the president at Traction Strategies
00:38:00.120 Good morning Carl
00:38:00.740 Morning Andrew
00:38:01.780 Tasha Carradine is a political columnist for the National Post 0.92
00:38:04.400 She is an author and writer for GZero Media as well
00:38:06.940 Good morning Tasha
00:38:07.720 Good morning
00:38:09.020 And Warren Kinsella is a strategist and Post Media columnist
00:38:11.720 You can read him in the Toronto Sun
00:38:13.600 Warren thanks for joining us
00:38:14.880 Morning guys
00:38:15.980 Usually we start off with federal politics
00:38:18.260 We're gonna kick around a little bit of a local one here
00:38:20.120 Just to ask Carl's thoughts on this
00:38:22.080 Carl we've been hearing in the news this morning
00:38:23.760 Gatineau is heading to the polls
00:38:25.240 Quebec's third largest city just across the river
00:38:27.460 Obviously this a little bit of a surprise one
00:38:30.660 Because the former mayor kind of stepped down very suddenly
00:38:33.520 Citing the very toxic political atmosphere that they were citing
00:38:37.480 But has anything changed?
00:38:39.600 I want to get your thoughts on who you're watching Carl
00:38:41.140 But has anything changed in terms of the political atmosphere here?
00:38:44.960 It doesn't appear so
00:38:46.260 Because just Friday a city councillor from Gatineau announced
00:38:50.360 That he was taking a pause for a mental health reason
00:38:54.240 Because he was being harassed and inundated with
00:38:57.680 What he described as mean messages and hateful messages
00:39:01.140 And that he just could not keep doing it anymore
00:39:04.160 So it's still the same
00:39:06.120 Despite that
00:39:07.420 There are seven candidates trying to replace the mayor
00:39:11.340 One is a member of Action Gatineau
00:39:14.560 Maud-Marquis-Bissonne
00:39:15.380 That she's been leading in the polls the entire campaign
00:39:17.640 With around 37-38% of support
00:39:20.320 Behind her are six independents 0.98
00:39:23.080 Including the former mayor of Gatineau
00:39:24.820 The first mayor of the post-merger era
00:39:27.320 Who's trying to make a comeback
00:39:29.760 And he's been quite aggressive in his tone
00:39:33.920 It's been noted by observers and by the voters
00:39:39.080 That said
00:39:40.760 If you are going to stop Action Gatineau
00:39:43.180 It's probably the best bet
00:39:44.340 So we'll see how the turnout will be
00:39:47.160 Because during the advance polls
00:39:48.940 It was only 10%
00:39:50.020 And it's a rainy day right now
00:39:52.500 And usually people don't tend to get out much when it rains
00:39:55.620 So it will come down to who can get out the vote
00:39:58.920 And on that front
00:39:59.780 You have two machines
00:40:00.840 One of a political party
00:40:03.380 Which has eight city councillors
00:40:06.660 And the other one
00:40:07.760 Yves Deschamps
00:40:08.400 Can count on the support of six independent councillors
00:40:11.120 And their own machines
00:40:12.280 So it will come down to that
00:40:13.700 The good old get out the vote
00:40:15.200 Yeah and you know
00:40:16.580 A municipal by-election at that
00:40:18.140 That decides the mayor
00:40:19.120 It's a very rare one
00:40:20.740 So we'll definitely be watching that closely
00:40:22.400 To see what happens
00:40:23.280 Turning our attention kind of nationally
00:40:25.480 Seeing some new poll numbers this week
00:40:27.400 I wanted to ask you guys about this
00:40:28.980 Because Nano's polls this week
00:40:30.660 Showing that more Canadians are likely to prefer
00:40:33.640 A number of Canadians prefer
00:40:35.040 A new Liberal leader in the next election
00:40:37.640 That is not Justin Trudeau
00:40:39.140 Warren I'll start with you
00:40:40.660 Is this
00:40:41.660 If you're the Liberal Party
00:40:43.580 Do you take this seriously
00:40:44.640 Or does it matter more about
00:40:46.220 You know party members
00:40:47.360 At the end of the day
00:40:48.200 Well yeah
00:40:49.760 You should take it seriously
00:40:50.900 You know
00:40:51.540 They've been behind by as much as
00:40:53.460 21 points for a year
00:40:55.040 Actually it's over a year now
00:40:56.480 Like a year
00:40:57.480 Like they're going to get massacred 0.97
00:40:59.740 With Justin Trudeau 0.97
00:41:01.140 As their leader
00:41:01.880 And
00:41:03.020 But to answer your question
00:41:04.760 No
00:41:05.140 It doesn't seem like
00:41:06.300 They're taking it seriously
00:41:07.500 Because
00:41:08.460 You know
00:41:09.400 They've cultivated
00:41:10.160 Nobody in the wings
00:41:11.580 Waiting to take over
00:41:12.820 First time in the Liberal Party's history
00:41:14.380 That I can recall
00:41:15.220 And you know
00:41:17.660 Nobody's agitating
00:41:18.620 For Trudeau to go
00:41:20.020 You know
00:41:20.320 You get a senator say something
00:41:22.020 Percy down
00:41:23.080 And maybe one member
00:41:24.180 From Atlantic Canada
00:41:25.340 Says something
00:41:25.940 Then they back down
00:41:26.900 Like
00:41:27.560 They're heading towards
00:41:29.660 Total disaster
00:41:30.860 And polling is now showing
00:41:32.420 That
00:41:33.440 If they have somebody else
00:41:35.260 As leader
00:41:36.160 They stand a better chance
00:41:38.140 Than they do at the moment
00:41:39.080 So yeah
00:41:39.980 It feels like
00:41:40.540 They're sleepwalking
00:41:41.460 Towards total disaster
00:41:42.880 And Tasha
00:41:43.920 To Warren's point here
00:41:45.340 Are all of these signs
00:41:46.760 Have all of these red flags
00:41:48.140 Been flying
00:41:48.680 And the Trudeau Liberals
00:41:49.960 And the Liberal Party
00:41:50.840 As a whole
00:41:52.060 Kind of been ignoring them
00:41:53.200 Short answer
00:41:55.840 Yes
00:41:56.800 And I think that
00:41:58.240 That is
00:41:58.940 A testament
00:41:59.740 To
00:42:00.400 How
00:42:01.320 I don't say rudderless
00:42:02.900 But how
00:42:03.580 The party
00:42:04.600 Doesn't have a clear successor
00:42:06.060 This is
00:42:06.680 This is the issue
00:42:07.340 I mean
00:42:07.660 People are agitating
00:42:08.600 Sure
00:42:08.960 But there's no one
00:42:10.000 Who's ready
00:42:11.600 To
00:42:12.160 I guess
00:42:12.760 Mount more of a challenge
00:42:14.160 Directly to Trudeau
00:42:15.100 And every time
00:42:15.520 Someone seems to do that
00:42:16.760 They immediately back
00:42:17.580 Scuttle back into their corner
00:42:18.760 Like Dominic LeBlanc
00:42:19.660 Did not too long ago
00:42:20.700 When the rumors
00:42:21.660 Started flying around him
00:42:22.780 Interesting
00:42:23.700 Mark Carney
00:42:24.260 Is making another
00:42:25.100 Keynote speech
00:42:26.360 At a conference
00:42:26.920 In Toronto
00:42:27.420 This week
00:42:28.200 So who knows
00:42:29.320 It'll be up to Trudeau
00:42:30.900 To take the walk
00:42:31.620 In the sand
00:42:32.200 Or the snow
00:42:32.700 Or whatever he does
00:42:33.620 I wonder if the latest
00:42:35.400 NSCOP report
00:42:37.180 Is going to put some pressure
00:42:38.360 Because
00:42:39.000 Things are getting so hot
00:42:41.000 On the foreign interference 0.69
00:42:41.800 Side
00:42:42.640 It's an uncomfortable place
00:42:44.120 For the Prime Minister to be
00:42:45.140 And I'm wondering
00:42:46.500 If maybe
00:42:46.960 Rather than face that music
00:42:48.360 He may want to
00:42:50.080 To not run again
00:42:51.660 To leave this to somebody else
00:42:53.140 But we'll see
00:42:53.740 So I was thinking
00:42:54.600 This week
00:42:54.940 The last thing
00:42:55.520 That the federal government
00:42:56.460 Wants is a border closure
00:42:57.960 For that CBSA strike
00:42:59.640 So
00:42:59.880 With everything else
00:43:01.420 That they're dealing with
00:43:02.080 Right now
00:43:02.500 Carl
00:43:03.320 I was kind of wondering
00:43:04.040 Just in a sense
00:43:04.640 If it does appear
00:43:05.380 That this is going to be
00:43:06.320 You know
00:43:06.500 A Trudeau versus
00:43:07.260 Polyev election
00:43:08.480 In this sense
00:43:09.420 So
00:43:09.680 If you're Trudeau
00:43:10.760 You're looking at this
00:43:11.420 And sure
00:43:11.840 Canadians
00:43:12.280 It says in this poll
00:43:13.160 A lot of Canadians
00:43:14.400 Don't want me on
00:43:15.120 As next leader
00:43:15.900 In the election
00:43:16.500 But again
00:43:17.600 If you're
00:43:19.280 The Trudeau government
00:43:20.540 Are you listening to that
00:43:22.100 Or are you kind of
00:43:22.980 Narrowing in on the areas
00:43:24.240 Where you can
00:43:24.980 Kind of
00:43:25.440 Nail down on here
00:43:26.860 Trying to
00:43:27.680 Get some support
00:43:28.620 In other areas
00:43:30.580 Yeah
00:43:32.160 I mean
00:43:32.380 You have to look at
00:43:33.040 Trudeau's mindset
00:43:34.220 You know
00:43:35.400 The guy came from
00:43:36.600 Behind three times
00:43:37.600 To win a general election
00:43:38.640 And so
00:43:39.380 I assume
00:43:40.240 He thinks he can do it again
00:43:41.520 And he would relish
00:43:42.380 To go toe-to-toe
00:43:43.580 With Polyev in the election
00:43:44.640 And I think he thinks
00:43:46.060 He can beat him
00:43:46.820 And so sure
00:43:48.360 The polls right now
00:43:49.280 Are not good
00:43:50.020 And you have this
00:43:50.660 This one
00:43:51.180 Indicating that
00:43:51.960 Over half
00:43:52.660 Canadians would like
00:43:54.280 To see a different
00:43:54.980 Liberal leader
00:43:55.580 But the problem is
00:43:56.560 As my colleagues
00:43:57.520 Pointed out
00:43:57.960 Is that there's nobody
00:43:58.580 Really in the wings
00:43:59.440 And therefore
00:44:00.120 Voters are projecting
00:44:01.380 You know
00:44:01.980 They're
00:44:02.980 Who's the ideal
00:44:05.000 Liberal leader
00:44:05.820 And sure
00:44:06.340 Anybody but Trudeau
00:44:07.240 Could do better
00:44:07.880 Except that
00:44:08.840 When you come down to it
00:44:09.960 Those numbers
00:44:10.700 Were very similar
00:44:12.020 When Brian Mulroney
00:44:13.340 Left
00:44:13.700 And that led to what?
00:44:16.060 That led to
00:44:16.640 Kim Campbell
00:44:17.300 And two seats
00:44:18.100 In a complete route
00:44:19.060 Of the Conservatives
00:44:21.360 So I think
00:44:22.460 Liberals are fully aware
00:44:23.560 Of that
00:44:23.980 And so
00:44:25.580 If you're going to go down
00:44:26.840 Do you want to have
00:44:28.180 Somebody that has
00:44:29.200 No experience
00:44:29.740 Has not been able
00:44:31.320 To showcase
00:44:32.940 Any kind of
00:44:33.760 An actual history
00:44:35.520 And then have to
00:44:37.540 Repeat this
00:44:38.120 Scenario again
00:44:39.040 The next election
00:44:40.080 So I think
00:44:40.780 You have to be
00:44:41.440 Very careful
00:44:41.980 What you wish for
00:44:42.740 When it's time
00:44:43.340 To change a leader
00:44:44.240 Because you could
00:44:45.460 Always do worse
00:44:46.280 And it's happened
00:44:47.240 In the past
00:44:47.920 And you know
00:44:49.220 One of the big
00:44:49.820 I think topics
00:44:50.600 That will be driving
00:44:51.480 You know
00:44:51.960 Whenever the next election
00:44:52.780 Is going to be
00:44:53.700 The economy
00:44:54.180 We did see
00:44:54.720 The Bank of Canada
00:44:55.360 Cut rates for the first time
00:44:56.660 In more than four years
00:44:57.940 So initially
00:44:58.760 I was thinking
00:44:59.300 Perhaps this takes
00:45:00.480 Some pressure off
00:45:01.420 The government
00:45:01.760 In terms of
00:45:02.420 The economy right now
00:45:04.160 But we did see
00:45:04.680 Job numbers this week
00:45:05.520 That were pretty weak
00:45:06.420 In comparison to the U.S.
00:45:08.120 As well
00:45:08.560 Maybe Tash
00:45:09.360 I'll start with you
00:45:09.900 On this one
00:45:10.340 In terms of the economy
00:45:11.400 Is this kind of
00:45:13.500 The biggest political football
00:45:14.740 For the Trudeau liberals
00:45:16.880 Right now
00:45:17.320 Is navigating
00:45:17.980 The current
00:45:18.380 Economic situation
00:45:20.260 That Canada is in
00:45:21.240 Yeah
00:45:23.000 I think that
00:45:24.000 You know
00:45:25.220 They're just hoping
00:45:25.900 Things turn around
00:45:26.800 This is the whole idea
00:45:28.500 That things turn around
00:45:29.780 They'll be in a position
00:45:31.240 To say
00:45:32.640 Look
00:45:32.860 You know
00:45:33.180 We did it
00:45:33.680 We pulled the rabbit
00:45:34.300 Out of the hat
00:45:34.880 And the conservatives
00:45:36.000 Will lose their main focus
00:45:37.820 Which has been 1.00
00:45:38.620 It's the economy stupid 1.00
00:45:39.900 Right 1.00
00:45:40.320 And I
00:45:41.300 You know
00:45:41.660 The conservatives
00:45:42.140 Know that
00:45:42.640 That's why
00:45:42.960 They've sidebarred
00:45:44.080 To other issues
00:45:44.620 Like crime
00:45:45.280 Which will
00:45:45.940 Presumably still be
00:45:47.220 An issue
00:45:48.260 In a year
00:45:49.260 I think that
00:45:52.720 The liberals
00:45:53.180 However it is
00:45:54.520 It's a risky gamble
00:45:55.560 Because I think
00:45:56.380 People are so
00:45:57.180 Entrenched right now
00:45:58.300 In how bad things are
00:45:59.260 Even a small change
00:46:00.700 In interest rates
00:46:01.660 Isn't going to
00:46:03.260 You know
00:46:03.660 Turn the whole ship
00:46:04.540 Of state around
00:46:05.220 It's too
00:46:05.740 It's too big
00:46:06.580 It will take years
00:46:07.780 So I think that
00:46:09.140 It's sort of
00:46:09.840 A misplaced bet
00:46:10.600 On their part
00:46:11.200 Warren
00:46:12.200 And as I mentioned
00:46:13.100 A couple of different
00:46:13.800 Political
00:46:14.140 Or economic indicators
00:46:15.620 Here
00:46:16.000 It does show that
00:46:17.060 Canada's economy
00:46:17.780 Is a little weak
00:46:18.480 Right now
00:46:18.880 If you're the liberals
00:46:20.000 Right now
00:46:20.380 Would that be
00:46:21.400 Your main focus
00:46:22.020 Right now
00:46:22.440 Is touting
00:46:23.540 Trying to
00:46:24.240 Spurse some investment
00:46:25.320 In the economy
00:46:25.940 Well that should have
00:46:27.300 Been their focus
00:46:27.880 For the past two years
00:46:29.040 You know
00:46:29.660 The principal reason
00:46:30.640 Why
00:46:31.300 Polyev is ahead
00:46:33.420 Is you know
00:46:34.800 It's not the Middle East 1.00
00:46:35.920 It's not law and order
00:46:37.180 It's not vaccinations
00:46:38.520 It's pocketbook stuff
00:46:40.420 Like he
00:46:41.080 He doesn't talk
00:46:41.880 About anything else
00:46:42.820 You know
00:46:43.160 He'll occasionally
00:46:43.820 Say something about Israel
00:46:45.100 Or what have you
00:46:46.340 But he is like
00:46:47.580 A dog with a bone
00:46:48.680 On economic issues
00:46:50.080 And that's where
00:46:50.840 You know
00:46:51.400 Voters are at
00:46:52.380 That's where the public
00:46:53.220 Is at
00:46:53.860 So this rate drop
00:46:55.700 Is the first one
00:46:56.700 In more than four years
00:46:57.940 It's not huge
00:46:59.300 But it's
00:46:59.860 It's welcome news
00:47:00.800 I know you pointed out
00:47:02.140 That you know
00:47:02.840 Job growth
00:47:03.560 Is not so great
00:47:04.500 If job growth
00:47:05.600 Gets super strong again
00:47:07.200 That's when you see
00:47:07.920 Rates going up
00:47:08.940 As we've seen
00:47:09.600 Over the past year
00:47:10.640 So I think
00:47:11.700 Probably they're
00:47:12.700 In a good place
00:47:13.460 In that regard
00:47:14.160 In terms of
00:47:15.020 You know
00:47:15.200 The fiscal reality
00:47:16.180 But in terms of
00:47:17.380 The economic reality
00:47:18.780 They're not
00:47:19.840 Because they've let go
00:47:21.560 Of economic strength
00:47:23.140 And they did have
00:47:23.840 Some things to brag about
00:47:25.100 They actually did
00:47:26.220 You know
00:47:26.860 If you rank us
00:47:27.760 According to different metrics
00:47:29.240 With other members
00:47:29.980 Of the G7
00:47:30.680 We look pretty good
00:47:31.720 But they haven't done that
00:47:33.580 And they've left
00:47:34.540 The economic argument
00:47:36.080 Entirely to Polyev 0.84
00:47:37.420 And he's taken it
00:47:38.700 And he's run with it
00:47:39.460 And like
00:47:39.900 I think it's now
00:47:40.840 Too late for them
00:47:41.840 To get it back
00:47:42.620 Carl
00:47:43.980 As I mentioned
00:47:44.780 Kind of the
00:47:45.220 The economic reality
00:47:46.220 It's something that
00:47:47.220 Pierre Polyev
00:47:49.140 Has kind of seized upon
00:47:50.200 And has been doing
00:47:51.240 Really well
00:47:51.740 Has been rising in the polls
00:47:52.780 Do you see
00:47:53.700 Any of these news stories
00:47:55.220 You know
00:47:56.200 If it's interest rates
00:47:57.500 Being cut
00:47:58.040 Is there a way
00:47:59.200 For the liberals
00:48:00.160 To regain
00:48:00.980 The economy message
00:48:02.480 Or is it simply
00:48:03.320 Too far gone
00:48:03.960 Do you think
00:48:04.260 At this point
00:48:04.720 Yeah
00:48:06.120 It will be difficult
00:48:07.360 And what doesn't help
00:48:08.880 Is when you have
00:48:09.760 A good news story
00:48:10.580 Like the rate
00:48:11.420 Dropping down
00:48:12.220 And then you take
00:48:14.680 A victory lap
00:48:15.400 You take a victory lap
00:48:16.660 Like Richard Freeland did
00:48:17.760 And other ministers
00:48:18.520 In the government
00:48:19.000 Did this week
00:48:19.780 Well people are at home
00:48:22.000 And they still
00:48:23.660 Have trouble
00:48:24.480 To make ends meet
00:48:25.320 And so they don't
00:48:26.120 They don't compute
00:48:26.840 They don't understand
00:48:27.740 What the government
00:48:28.300 Is saying
00:48:28.900 Because it's not
00:48:30.040 You know
00:48:30.460 It has not changed
00:48:31.120 Their reality overnight
00:48:32.100 So you could
00:48:33.120 You can brag about it
00:48:34.440 You can do that victory lap
00:48:35.840 But the reality
00:48:36.500 Is that you've not been
00:48:37.440 Able to change narrative
00:48:38.520 That one story
00:48:39.560 Will not change it
00:48:40.540 On its own
00:48:41.640 For months
00:48:42.500 If not years
00:48:43.200 So unless
00:48:44.760 There's like
00:48:45.240 Drastic drops
00:48:46.180 Over the next few months
00:48:47.780 People in their daily lives
00:48:50.620 Will not see
00:48:51.480 The effect immediately
00:48:52.560 Because there's
00:48:54.860 There's other factors
00:48:56.560 At play
00:48:57.080 Inflation
00:48:57.740 Has slowed down
00:48:58.780 But it's still up
00:48:59.680 From what it was
00:49:00.360 A couple of years ago
00:49:01.740 And people are
00:49:02.580 People are fully aware
00:49:03.840 Of that
00:49:04.220 And when they hear
00:49:05.500 Christian Freeland
00:49:06.120 Take that victory lap
00:49:07.240 They think
00:49:08.240 Well these guys
00:49:08.880 Are all in touch
00:49:09.540 And we've seen
00:49:11.480 The conservatives
00:49:11.900 Try to stay on
00:49:12.440 That economic message
00:49:13.260 As I've mentioned
00:49:13.820 A couple of times
00:49:14.960 And what I found
00:49:15.600 Interesting this week
00:49:16.640 Was we saw
00:49:17.780 Conservative MP
00:49:18.420 Arnold Vearson
00:49:19.100 Speaking with
00:49:20.000 Nate Herskin-Smith
00:49:20.840 We can talk about
00:49:21.840 That in a second
00:49:22.440 Talk about a wolf
00:49:23.160 In chief's clothing
00:49:23.840 Right
00:49:24.120 And the idea
00:49:24.840 Of what were you
00:49:25.400 Thinking in terms
00:49:26.080 Of walking into
00:49:26.700 This idea
00:49:27.240 Or this interview
00:49:28.220 But the idea
00:49:29.520 That you know
00:49:30.320 That didn't even
00:49:30.900 Resonate very much
00:49:31.840 This week
00:49:32.240 Right
00:49:32.440 Some pretty
00:49:32.880 Radical social opinions
00:49:34.980 In terms of
00:49:35.840 That getting out
00:49:36.720 Something Pierre Pauly
00:49:37.460 Didn't want to deal with
00:49:38.280 But it seems
00:49:39.080 To have had no
00:49:39.680 Resonance at all
00:49:41.040 Warren
00:49:41.320 Do you think
00:49:42.000 That's a sign
00:49:42.820 Of bad things
00:49:44.040 To come for the liberals 0.96
00:49:44.760 Oh the evil little elves 0.94
00:49:47.200 In the liberal war room
00:49:48.520 Noticed it
00:49:49.180 Believe me
00:49:50.060 They got their scissors out
00:49:52.700 And they clipped it
00:49:53.520 Out of the papers
00:49:54.180 And here's why
00:49:55.160 Because I'm older
00:49:56.640 Than the rest of you
00:49:57.560 You guys are all kids
00:49:58.620 In 2004
00:50:00.400 An MP named
00:50:02.280 Randy White
00:50:03.340 Opined on the exact
00:50:05.620 Same subject
00:50:07.020 Oh we're not worried
00:50:09.020 About the charter
00:50:09.920 We're not worried
00:50:11.000 We're going to deal
00:50:11.720 With gay rights 1.00
00:50:12.500 We're going to deal
00:50:13.100 With abortion
00:50:13.720 You know
00:50:14.720 We've got an ability
00:50:15.620 To do what we
00:50:16.360 Really want to do
00:50:17.660 That cost
00:50:19.320 Stephen Harper
00:50:20.400 That election
00:50:21.400 He lost to Paul Martin
00:50:23.120 Because of Randy White
00:50:24.400 So be
00:50:26.080 Under no illusion
00:50:27.780 Whatsoever
00:50:28.420 The liberal war room
00:50:29.860 Notice what this
00:50:30.740 Nobody MP
00:50:31.620 Had to say
00:50:32.460 And are going to
00:50:34.180 Make use of it
00:50:34.800 In the next election
00:50:35.660 100%
00:50:37.220 He definitely
00:50:39.180 Well he
00:50:39.680 He was asking for it
00:50:40.900 In many ways
00:50:41.620 But Carl
00:50:43.120 Are you surprised
00:50:45.580 At all that
00:50:46.160 You know
00:50:46.520 The conservative MP
00:50:47.280 Arnold Viersen here
00:50:48.060 Would even kind of
00:50:49.380 Move forward
00:50:50.000 And put himself
00:50:50.540 In this position
00:50:51.200 Yeah that's very strange
00:50:53.320 And it's like
00:50:54.160 You are not aware
00:50:55.540 Of the political play
00:50:57.920 That's going to
00:50:58.860 Play out
00:50:59.380 Over the next few months
00:51:00.140 Actually he's been
00:51:00.640 Playing out
00:51:01.140 I mean you saw
00:51:01.660 Trudeau going in
00:51:02.580 Alberta
00:51:03.040 Going in New Brunswick
00:51:04.060 To attack
00:51:04.600 Their provincial cousins
00:51:05.940 On these issues
00:51:06.860 It's an Achilles
00:51:08.380 Hill that sunk
00:51:09.400 Aaron O'Toole
00:51:10.180 And Andrew Scheer
00:51:11.240 And Stephen Harper
00:51:13.480 As just mentioned
00:51:14.220 By Warren
00:51:15.420 Like it's the playbook
00:51:17.120 You're not aware
00:51:18.320 Of the playbook
00:51:18.900 What are you doing
00:51:19.420 In politics
00:51:19.920 You should know
00:51:21.840 And the problem
00:51:22.800 For the conservative
00:51:23.480 And for Pierre Poiliev
00:51:24.480 Is that he's not
00:51:25.660 The only one
00:51:26.200 Who thinks like that
00:51:27.040 And says things like that
00:51:28.240 And there will be
00:51:28.740 More people that will
00:51:29.900 Do that over the
00:51:30.680 Next few months
00:51:31.320 And even during
00:51:32.860 The election
00:51:33.280 I'm sure some candidates
00:51:34.320 Will open their mouth
00:51:35.120 About this stuff
00:51:35.760 So the question is
00:51:37.140 Why are these people
00:51:38.320 In that party
00:51:39.480 Why are they allowed
00:51:40.460 To run in that party
00:51:41.420 Well it's because
00:51:42.380 It's because they can
00:51:43.560 Get voters
00:51:44.660 That agree with them
00:51:45.660 To support them
00:51:46.520 And members
00:51:47.660 To secure
00:51:49.320 The nomination meetings
00:51:50.260 It's a big problem
00:51:51.420 For Pierre Poiliev
00:51:52.160 And it could sink him
00:51:53.400 Very fast
00:51:54.420 We've seen it again
00:51:55.500 In the past
00:51:56.200 And Tasha
00:51:57.600 We've kind of been
00:51:58.100 Talking about
00:51:58.460 The political fallout
00:51:59.460 As mentioned
00:51:59.920 You know
00:52:00.380 Poiliev
00:52:00.780 Pretty quick on this
00:52:01.680 To say all the right things
00:52:03.800 In a sense of
00:52:04.740 You know
00:52:05.200 Supporting gay marriage
00:52:06.100 Supporting a woman's
00:52:07.200 Right to choose
00:52:07.700 Kind of quick on this
00:52:08.440 Do you think
00:52:09.440 That this has the ability
00:52:10.780 To hurt him
00:52:11.740 In the long run
00:52:12.340 Or has he done
00:52:13.160 A good enough job
00:52:13.880 To distance himself here
00:52:15.440 I think he squashed it
00:52:18.940 Really quickly
00:52:19.840 And the fact
00:52:20.860 That it sank
00:52:21.760 And disappeared
00:52:22.460 I think has
00:52:23.000 More to do
00:52:23.860 With what else
00:52:24.400 Is going on
00:52:25.080 Which is
00:52:26.240 That people are
00:52:26.900 As we said earlier
00:52:27.620 Really obsessed
00:52:28.340 About the economy
00:52:29.100 And that's really
00:52:29.780 What they're focused on
00:52:30.700 And I think
00:52:31.880 Also
00:52:32.240 The piece
00:52:32.920 Of crying wolf
00:52:34.180 Is starting
00:52:35.020 To happen
00:52:36.140 Because every time
00:52:37.880 To Warren's point
00:52:38.760 This is
00:52:39.080 Issues worked in the past
00:52:40.460 Every time
00:52:41.260 The liberals
00:52:41.680 See an opportunity
00:52:42.300 They trot it out
00:52:43.400 So I think
00:52:44.680 Canadians are kind
00:52:45.560 Of getting weary
00:52:46.140 It's like
00:52:46.460 Oh yeah
00:52:46.920 Okay
00:52:47.340 You're going to
00:52:47.660 Save us again
00:52:48.340 You know
00:52:49.600 This MP
00:52:50.400 Was rapidly
00:52:51.720 Taken to the woodshed
00:52:52.660 He was
00:52:53.340 He was disciplined
00:52:54.140 Quite clearly
00:52:54.900 And he put out
00:52:55.540 A statement
00:52:55.960 That you know
00:52:57.500 Was not written
00:52:58.220 By him
00:52:58.740 Quite frankly
00:52:59.340 It was sent
00:53:00.580 Probably by the
00:53:01.400 Leader of the
00:53:01.760 Opposition's office
00:53:02.360 But you know
00:53:04.040 If you've got
00:53:04.420 More and more
00:53:05.060 Of these
00:53:05.360 Yeah
00:53:05.660 It'll start to stick
00:53:06.460 But I think
00:53:06.840 One guy like this
00:53:07.660 Is not going to do it
00:53:08.540 Yeah again
00:53:09.540 I just think
00:53:10.120 It's fascinating
00:53:10.600 You know
00:53:10.920 You've got
00:53:11.200 Nate Erskine-Smith
00:53:11.940 Who's just
00:53:12.320 You know
00:53:12.600 Come over here
00:53:13.100 And talk into
00:53:13.540 My microphone
00:53:14.060 About social issues
00:53:14.980 And he was just like
00:53:16.520 Yeah
00:53:16.740 That sounds like
00:53:17.360 A great idea
00:53:18.060 He's a neutral
00:53:18.860 Member of the media
00:53:20.320 That guy
00:53:20.780 Yeah
00:53:21.120 Of course
00:53:21.900 Of course
00:53:22.380 Walking into a box
00:53:23.660 Nothing
00:53:24.880 Nothing attached
00:53:25.780 To him at all
00:53:26.320 And last one
00:53:27.300 This week
00:53:27.540 Probably one of
00:53:28.040 The biggest stories
00:53:29.060 Of this week
00:53:29.720 So I want to
00:53:30.360 Give us a little
00:53:31.000 Bit of time here
00:53:31.540 Tasha maybe
00:53:31.940 I'll start with you
00:53:32.460 Because I know
00:53:32.860 You've been writing
00:53:33.400 Extensively about this
00:53:34.580 As well
00:53:35.580 Perhaps not this week
00:53:36.480 But the idea
00:53:37.020 Of foreign interference 0.98
00:53:37.960 We've seen this
00:53:38.620 Come to the forefront
00:53:39.700 Again for the liberals
00:53:40.620 So they're blocking
00:53:41.280 Access to about
00:53:42.040 A thousand plus documents
00:53:43.660 On this panel
00:53:44.560 That is overseeing
00:53:45.460 Foreign interference 0.81
00:53:46.180 We've also seen
00:53:47.260 The political machinations
00:53:49.560 So the conservatives
00:53:50.340 Trying to use
00:53:51.260 Or trying to get
00:53:52.060 A list of names
00:53:52.880 Of people who
00:53:53.880 Possibly are compromised
00:53:55.200 Here
00:53:55.520 Just what have you
00:53:56.520 Been making of
00:53:57.060 This week's
00:53:57.600 Revelations
00:53:59.360 At these hearings
00:54:00.560 Well I actually
00:54:01.920 Just put out a piece
00:54:02.760 On that exact issue
00:54:04.940 Because I don't think
00:54:06.880 Contrary to what
00:54:08.580 People might think
00:54:09.120 I'll say
00:54:09.420 I don't think
00:54:10.000 Names should be released
00:54:10.980 And the reason for that
00:54:12.360 Is we don't need names
00:54:13.360 We need party action
00:54:15.020 David Vigneault
00:54:16.580 Head of CSIS
00:54:17.200 Was quite eloquent
00:54:18.540 On this
00:54:19.060 In saying that
00:54:19.760 Unless the party leaders
00:54:21.040 Act to ban
00:54:23.500 These MPs
00:54:24.340 Unless there are
00:54:24.840 Consequences
00:54:25.540 They can't run again
00:54:26.700 There will be censure
00:54:27.720 There will be consequences
00:54:28.660 Foreign governments
00:54:30.060 Will be emboldened
00:54:30.820 And MPs will be
00:54:31.880 Also emboldened
00:54:32.620 To continue
00:54:33.160 This kind of behavior
00:54:34.100 So whether the RCMP
00:54:36.120 Does prosecute
00:54:37.240 Everyone or not
00:54:37.920 Is not in the
00:54:38.640 Government's hands
00:54:39.320 It has to happen
00:54:40.560 The RCMP
00:54:41.100 Has to investigate
00:54:42.140 These individuals
00:54:43.500 And see if things
00:54:44.360 Rise to the level
00:54:45.140 Of criminality
00:54:45.820 Of treason
00:54:46.480 And you know
00:54:47.660 That's the worst
00:54:48.420 It can get
00:54:48.940 But really what
00:54:50.700 Has to happen
00:54:51.260 Is the party leaders
00:54:52.060 In my view
00:54:52.680 Should get together
00:54:53.580 And this should be
00:54:54.660 Non-partisan
00:54:55.240 Polyev should get 1.00
00:54:56.120 A security clearance
00:54:57.100 You know
00:54:57.500 Get off this
00:54:58.260 This partisan piece
00:54:59.240 Right now
00:54:59.740 This is national security
00:55:01.320 It is bigger
00:55:02.440 Than a party
00:55:03.420 You have to put
00:55:04.260 Country before party
00:55:05.180 On this one
00:55:05.740 And they need to
00:55:06.500 Sit down and say
00:55:07.460 Okay
00:55:07.840 These guys won't
00:55:08.580 Run again
00:55:09.060 And anyone in
00:55:10.380 Cabinet
00:55:10.680 Who's named
00:55:11.520 Or is in that report
00:55:12.660 That person should
00:55:13.560 Be immediately out
00:55:14.340 Because they have
00:55:15.380 Access to very
00:55:16.260 Confidential information
00:55:17.240 And they should not
00:55:17.820 Have it
00:55:18.200 Warren when we
00:55:20.680 Talk about the names
00:55:21.540 I think everybody
00:55:22.300 Can understand
00:55:22.840 Why names
00:55:24.260 Wouldn't be released
00:55:24.960 Or why they
00:55:25.360 Aren't being released
00:55:26.140 But is this a good
00:55:27.400 Political attack
00:55:28.840 For the conservatives
00:55:29.480 To keep hitting on
00:55:30.340 A message obviously
00:55:31.400 That has been
00:55:32.080 Hurting the liberals
00:55:32.740 This topic of
00:55:33.640 Foreign interference 0.81
00:55:34.300 No sorry guys
00:55:35.820 I totally
00:55:36.520 Totally do not
00:55:37.720 Understand why
00:55:38.680 Names are not
00:55:39.400 Being released
00:55:40.140 I completely
00:55:41.100 Disagree with my
00:55:42.100 Friend
00:55:42.480 We're talking
00:55:44.540 About members
00:55:45.600 Of parliament
00:55:46.560 Who colluded
00:55:47.820 And conspired
00:55:48.860 With enemies
00:55:49.420 Of this country
00:55:50.260 Like until
00:55:52.120 1998
00:55:53.240 That was an
00:55:54.580 Offence punishable
00:55:55.920 In Canada
00:55:56.800 By capital
00:55:57.840 Punishment
00:55:58.500 That's how
00:55:59.820 Seriously
00:56:00.500 We regard it
00:56:01.640 And like
00:56:02.240 People are
00:56:03.820 Actually saying
00:56:04.660 We shouldn't
00:56:05.300 Know who
00:56:05.960 Did this
00:56:06.780 And they're
00:56:07.700 Sitting in
00:56:08.220 Parliament
00:56:08.620 They may be
00:56:09.480 In cabinet
00:56:10.120 They may be
00:56:11.080 Affecting decisions
00:56:12.140 That the country
00:56:12.960 Is making
00:56:13.660 In respect of
00:56:14.980 These foreign 1.00
00:56:15.780 Hostilities
00:56:17.540 And these
00:56:18.120 Hostile foreign 1.00
00:56:19.000 Nations 0.93
00:56:19.440 Like I'm
00:56:20.520 Sorry
00:56:20.780 That's crazy
00:56:21.680 We need to
00:56:22.480 Know who
00:56:22.860 They are
00:56:23.280 This is among
00:56:24.360 The most
00:56:24.720 Serious crimes
00:56:25.740 That we've
00:56:26.160 Got in this
00:56:26.720 Country still
00:56:27.660 Which is
00:56:28.460 Treason
00:56:29.000 This is
00:56:29.840 Treason
00:56:30.240 Against the
00:56:30.760 Country
00:56:31.100 And we are
00:56:31.980 Entitled to
00:56:32.540 Know as
00:56:33.000 Every single
00:56:33.900 Newspaper in
00:56:34.720 This country
00:56:35.240 Is editorialized
00:56:36.420 We are
00:56:37.140 Entitled to
00:56:37.880 Know we
00:56:38.320 Have to
00:56:38.980 Know who
00:56:40.020 They are
00:56:40.840 Yeah all
00:56:42.820 Fair points
00:56:43.440 In many
00:56:44.140 Senses I
00:56:44.700 Think from
00:56:45.160 What I've
00:56:45.460 Heard on
00:56:45.780 The other
00:56:46.700 Side is
00:56:47.340 People concerned
00:56:48.000 About you
00:56:48.360 Know the
00:56:48.580 Piling on
00:56:49.360 You know this
00:56:49.900 Isn't you
00:56:50.640 Know all
00:56:51.260 Allegations
00:56:52.040 Until it's
00:56:52.700 Been proven
00:56:53.220 Carl what do
00:56:54.160 You think
00:56:54.400 About this
00:56:54.840 Well I mean
00:56:56.500 Yeah you
00:56:57.280 Don't want to
00:56:57.700 Fall at the
00:56:58.660 Level of
00:56:59.180 McCarty
00:57:00.100 And McCartyism
00:57:01.700 And witch 0.74
00:57:02.200 Hunt and
00:57:02.720 Go after
00:57:03.360 People that
00:57:04.000 Don't deserve
00:57:04.440 To be gone
00:57:04.900 After but
00:57:05.940 The reality
00:57:06.400 Is that if
00:57:07.400 There are
00:57:07.680 Spies and
00:57:08.260 Traitors walking
00:57:09.080 In parliament
00:57:09.620 We shouldn't
00:57:10.740 Know about
00:57:11.180 It and
00:57:11.520 Voters
00:57:11.840 Shouldn't
00:57:12.100 Know who
00:57:12.380 They are
00:57:12.760 So they
00:57:13.220 Don't vote
00:57:13.560 For them
00:57:13.880 Again at
00:57:14.460 Least at
00:57:14.920 The very
00:57:15.260 Least but
00:57:16.500 The truth
00:57:16.880 Is that
00:57:17.440 You know
00:57:18.140 The government
00:57:18.980 And the
00:57:20.860 Other parties
00:57:21.500 To be fair
00:57:22.100 Especially the
00:57:22.820 Conservatives
00:57:23.280 Don't want to
00:57:24.820 Be guilty by
00:57:25.540 Association because
00:57:26.560 They are people
00:57:27.300 And I don't
00:57:28.400 Know if it's
00:57:28.820 In all the
00:57:29.420 Parties but
00:57:29.880 I'm sure in
00:57:30.520 Both main
00:57:31.620 Parties that
00:57:32.680 Have done
00:57:33.420 What's been
00:57:34.360 What's been
00:57:35.040 Reported and
00:57:36.400 Talk to
00:57:37.040 Foreign powers
00:57:37.820 Sometimes
00:57:39.240 New England
00:57:39.580 Sometimes not
00:57:40.260 At the
00:57:40.960 Same time
00:57:41.520 There are
00:57:41.980 Also precedent
00:57:42.800 In this
00:57:43.200 Country about
00:57:43.940 Members of
00:57:45.020 Parliament being
00:57:46.300 Found guilty
00:57:47.540 By parliament
00:57:48.340 Of spying for
00:57:49.580 Other countries
00:57:50.140 Fred Rose was
00:57:51.040 A quebec 0.89
00:57:51.480 MP and he
00:57:52.720 Was expelled
00:57:53.300 For being
00:57:54.280 You know
00:57:54.740 Because he
00:57:55.500 Was accused
00:57:55.880 Of being a
00:57:56.300 Spy for the
00:57:56.720 Soviet Union
00:57:57.200 In the
00:57:57.520 Forties
00:57:57.920 It's
00:57:58.540 Happened in
00:57:58.960 The past
00:57:59.420 The fact
00:58:00.260 That
00:58:00.600 The government
00:58:01.800 Is 0.88
00:58:02.320 Kind of
00:58:03.380 Feel like
00:58:03.880 There's a bit
00:58:05.360 Of a
00:58:05.580 Laissez-faire
00:58:06.100 Attitude
00:58:06.540 Towards that
00:58:07.300 And well
00:58:07.860 It's up to
00:58:08.240 The RCMP
00:58:08.920 Well I don't
00:58:09.760 Think that's
00:58:10.200 Good enough
00:58:10.620 For voters
00:58:11.140 Now do
00:58:11.760 People care
00:58:12.380 Do voters
00:58:12.900 Actually care
00:58:13.560 About that
00:58:14.060 Well the
00:58:15.120 Foreign
00:58:15.340 Interference
00:58:15.860 Story has
00:58:16.760 Been going
00:58:17.080 On for
00:58:17.540 Years now
00:58:18.640 And you
00:58:19.760 Know it's
00:58:20.200 Been hurting
00:58:20.660 The political
00:58:21.100 Narrative
00:58:21.780 But has it
00:58:22.340 Been really
00:58:22.760 Earning the
00:58:23.180 Liberals in
00:58:23.560 The polls
00:58:23.880 I'm not
00:58:24.200 So sure
00:58:24.840 Go ahead
00:58:26.560 Yeah go
00:58:26.920 Ahead
00:58:27.120 Tasha
00:58:27.400 I will
00:58:27.700 Just say
00:58:28.040 Look
00:58:28.240 Warren I
00:58:29.700 Get it
00:58:29.980 Someone's
00:58:30.260 Committed
00:58:30.480 Treason
00:58:30.900 They shouldn't
00:58:31.400 Run again
00:58:31.800 But the
00:58:32.180 Point is
00:58:32.500 None of
00:58:32.780 These
00:58:32.880 Individuals
00:58:33.380 Have been
00:58:33.600 Charged
00:58:34.040 None of
00:58:34.760 Them
00:58:34.880 Have
00:58:35.120 And I
00:58:36.260 Am
00:58:36.720 Firmly
00:58:37.280 Let's
00:58:38.780 Charge
00:58:40.280 Them
00:58:40.460 You can't
00:58:40.940 Tell the
00:58:41.260 RCMP
00:58:41.600 In order
00:58:42.240 To do
00:58:42.720 That
00:58:42.940 No
00:58:45.380 One at a
00:58:46.440 Time
00:58:46.580 One at a
00:58:46.900 Time
00:58:47.000 One at a
00:58:47.280 Time
00:58:47.440 The
00:58:48.440 RCMP
00:58:48.820 Would have
00:58:49.200 This
00:58:49.360 Information
00:58:49.860 They have
00:58:50.960 To prosecute
00:58:51.760 The party's
00:58:52.700 Responsibility
00:58:53.280 Right now
00:58:53.720 Is to
00:58:54.160 Prevent
00:58:54.600 These
00:58:54.800 Individuals
00:58:55.260 From
00:58:55.380 Running
00:58:55.560 Again
00:58:55.760 I agree
00:58:56.100 The
00:58:56.260 Liberals
00:58:56.520 Are dragging
00:58:56.860 Their feet
00:58:57.260 And they're
00:58:57.720 Obfuscating
00:58:58.480 Because their
00:58:58.920 People are
00:58:59.440 In there
00:58:59.720 And they
00:59:00.080 Know it
00:59:00.620 And they
00:59:01.660 Have got
00:59:02.120 To get
00:59:02.460 Off that
00:59:02.840 The only
00:59:03.420 Way to
00:59:03.700 Do that
00:59:03.980 Is for
00:59:04.260 The opposition
00:59:04.760 Party
00:59:05.040 To force
00:59:05.560 Them
00:59:05.800 Make it
00:59:06.320 A
00:59:06.420 Confidence
00:59:06.800 Motion
00:59:07.160 Gotta
00:59:07.560 Sit down
00:59:08.040 And get
00:59:08.280 Rid of
00:59:08.520 These
00:59:08.640 People
00:59:08.900 All parties
00:59:09.520 Together
00:59:09.900 But probably
00:59:10.800 Everything of
00:59:11.440 Not looking
00:59:12.000 At the
00:59:12.220 Report
00:59:12.560 Because I
00:59:12.900 Don't
00:59:13.060 Want to
00:59:13.300 Be
00:59:13.520 Muzzled
00:59:14.280 Is 1.00
00:59:14.480 Ridiculous 0.99
00:59:15.100 That's 0.99
00:59:15.620 Got to
00:59:15.840 Stop
00:59:16.160 He's
00:59:16.440 Got to
00:59:16.720 You know
00:59:17.160 Act the
00:59:17.680 Big boy
00:59:18.120 And be
00:59:18.460 A statesman
00:59:18.960 Take the
00:59:19.360 Lead
00:59:19.620 He could
00:59:20.240 He could
00:59:20.540 Score
00:59:20.800 More points
00:59:21.280 Doing that
00:59:21.820 Than what
00:59:22.260 He's
00:59:22.380 Doing now
00:59:22.760 Warren
00:59:23.160 End this
00:59:23.520 With a 1.00
00:59:23.700 Kill shot 0.99
00:59:24.140 Like I'm 0.99
00:59:25.100 Sorry
00:59:25.420 Traitors in
00:59:26.340 The house
00:59:26.680 Of commons
00:59:27.360 Let's
00:59:27.900 Keep them
00:59:28.280 Anonymous
00:59:28.760 Like
00:59:29.440 Seriously
00:59:30.000 You don't
00:59:30.560 Know
00:59:30.860 That is
00:59:31.820 Tasha
00:59:32.600 That is
00:59:34.020 What you
00:59:34.420 Said
00:59:34.780 That is
00:59:35.840 That is
00:59:38.900 If we
00:59:39.380 Have people
00:59:40.100 Who have
00:59:40.620 Committed
00:59:40.980 Treason
00:59:41.600 We're
00:59:42.160 Entitled
00:59:42.720 As
00:59:43.120 Citizens
00:59:43.920 To know
00:59:44.400 Who they
00:59:44.720 Are
00:59:45.060 And we
00:59:45.820 Are entitled
00:59:46.580 To have
00:59:47.200 Them
00:59:47.440 Prosecuted
00:59:48.260 For among
00:59:49.020 The most
00:59:49.360 Serious
00:59:49.740 Crimes
00:59:50.120 There is
00:59:50.680 But we'll
00:59:51.140 Leave it
00:59:51.480 There guys
00:59:51.760 Warren
00:59:52.280 Tasha
00:59:52.720 Carl
00:59:53.060 Always
00:59:53.440 Love the
00:59:53.780 Debate
00:59:54.100 Thanks
00:59:54.480 For joining
00:59:55.020 Us
00:59:55.180 This
00:59:55.320 Morning
01:00:08.900 Tasha
01:00:16.140 Students
01:00:17.640 To have
01:00:19.180 Tasha
01:00:20.220 Some
01:00:38.840 Hey, hey, hey
01:00:52.840 I'm a contest
01:00:59.840 I'm a loser with no chance
01:01:07.840 Hold my hand again, hand again, hand 0.99
01:01:20.840 I don't wanna be a backwards man 0.99
01:01:30.840 Come on, get out of my head
01:01:38.840 Head
01:01:48.840 Head
01:01:52.840 Head
01:02:02.840 Head
01:02:04.840 Head
01:02:08.840 Head
01:02:12.840 Head
01:02:18.840 Head
01:02:20.840 Head
01:02:22.640 We'll be right back.
01:02:52.640 We'll be right back.