kinsellacast - KINSELLACAST 315： Tal-Or Cohen Montemayor, Brady, Belanger and more - plus Molly Payton, Angel Olsen, Slow Pulp, Lucy Dacus

00:00:00.000 It's The Kinsella Cast, starring Warren Kinsella.

00:00:15.720 Hey, it's Warren. Welcome to The Kinsella Cast.

00:00:18.180 Sorry, I apologize it's late, but I have a good excuse.

00:00:20.980 I had to drive from the county this morning into Toronto.

00:00:24.160 On the way, I rescued a big, snappy turtle who's on the road.

00:00:28.040 Welcome, turtle. And then later on, this Blackbird was on the road.

00:00:33.400 It seemed to be stunned, so I got it off.

00:00:35.900 You're welcome, Blackbird.

00:00:37.200 So I was like Dr. Doolittle this morning.

00:00:39.620 It was really quite impressive. I think so, anyway.

00:00:43.060 And then I went straight to the United Jewish Appeals Walk for Israel

00:00:47.920 at Bathurst, kind of below the 401.

00:00:52.880 And man, like it was amazing.

00:00:56.660 Like I heard there were going to be 40,000 people there, maybe 50,000.

00:01:02.420 And there were. Like it was just jammed.

00:01:06.220 And I walked around and met people and shook hands.

00:01:11.320 And it was a very joyful atmosphere.

00:01:15.260 A lot of people were grateful about the rescue of the hostages, four hostages this week.

00:01:21.740 It was a really great event.

00:01:23.600 And I think everybody there needed it.

00:01:26.040 And I was glad to go and lend my support.

00:01:30.420 Great show this week.

00:01:31.800 I've got Tal or Cohen Montemayor.

00:01:34.400 And I have interviewed her before.

00:01:36.860 She is the head of an organization called CyberWell in Israel.

00:01:41.680 And she's brilliant.

00:01:42.860 And you'll hear her first talking about from the river to the sea,

00:01:47.200 which is this ubiquitous phrase that the anti-Israel, pro-Hamas people have been using for months.

00:01:53.140 And so we talk about the significance of that.

00:01:55.760 We've got Greg Brady and I talking about the by-election in St. Paul's,

00:02:01.120 which is pretty significant for the Trudeau government.

00:02:04.200 And then we've got our weekend panel talking about different stuff.

00:02:06.760 And Tasha Carrad and I duke it out.

00:02:09.580 I usually agree with her all the time because she is so smart.

00:02:13.540 But on this occasion, I do not agree with her.

00:02:17.180 So you'll hear that.

00:02:18.740 And then I've got some great music.

00:02:21.080 I've got Molly Payton from Australia, who I just adore.

00:02:25.160 And this song, actually all of these songs.

00:02:27.620 I've got Angel Olsen, Lucy Dacus, Slow Pulp.

00:02:32.360 They're all women.

00:02:33.800 And they all remind me of spring, these songs.

00:02:36.200 I love riding my bike and listening to these songs.

00:02:39.660 They're just genius songwriters and musicians.

00:02:44.080 And so I'm going to play you that.

00:02:45.860 And it's kind of a response to the people I ran into in Belleville last week

00:02:49.920 at another pro-Israel rally, who said to me,

00:02:52.460 you know, we really like your show.

00:02:54.320 We really like your podcast.

00:02:55.460 But some of the music, eh, I actually get that a lot.

00:03:00.240 But, you know, it's me.

00:03:02.420 It's, you know, it just, if I was playing Celine Dion,

00:03:05.900 it just wouldn't be Warren, would it?

00:03:07.600 No, it wouldn't.

00:03:08.840 So you're Canadian.

00:03:12.660 You've got a regular, normal life.

00:03:15.980 Imagine what it feels like when someone throws a bomb at your place of worship.

00:03:20.800 Like, imagine that.

00:03:22.380 And it's hard to, isn't it?

00:03:23.520 Like, of course it is.

00:03:25.220 Like, this is Canada.

00:03:26.340 It's not some place in the Middle East.

00:03:28.440 Maybe you don't go to church.

00:03:30.200 Maybe it's been a while since you've gone somewhere to pray.

00:03:32.400 But if you're Canadian, chances are that you've been to a wedding or a funeral or a baptism

00:03:37.160 or something like that.

00:03:38.440 Chances are that you've been to a place where people go to pray.

00:03:42.120 It's normal.

00:03:42.620 Even with dwindling rates of religion in this country, you know, it still happens.

00:03:50.800 Anyway, when you're there, you look around.

00:03:52.500 And apart from the clothes that they're wearing, maybe they're carrying a book of prayers or hymns or whatever.

00:03:58.800 Nobody's carrying anything special.

00:04:00.320 They're not carrying a gun or a knife or a pepper spray or a fire extinguisher.

00:04:05.200 Like, that's for sure.

00:04:06.880 Because you don't need those things when you go to a place of worship in Canada.

00:04:11.280 You go there for solitude or to be with other people.

00:04:14.500 And maybe when you're there, you become faintly aware of something.

00:04:17.600 You're totally, completely vulnerable.

00:04:22.040 You're defenseless, like everyone else is.

00:04:25.220 There's no security because you don't need it.

00:04:27.360 Not in Canada.

00:04:29.120 At the Shira Assetic Synagogue on Oak Street in Vancouver, they need security.

00:04:34.940 Since October 7th and before it, there's been trouble.

00:04:38.200 There's always been trouble, actually.

00:04:40.560 As far back as 2016, the Jewish Federation of Greater Vancouver

00:04:43.880 was tripling how much it spends on security for Jewish places of worship.

00:04:48.720 That didn't stop somebody from throwing a bomb

00:04:51.400 at the lovely inscribed doors of the synagogue last week.

00:04:56.080 However, people were inside praying

00:04:59.460 when a bomb slammed against the doors, bursting into flame.

00:05:04.800 So, like, imagine that.

00:05:06.440 You're somewhere in Canada praying and someone throws a bomb at you.

00:05:11.160 What does that feel like?

00:05:12.280 Like, can you even imagine it?

00:05:15.800 Aaron Soplaros doesn't have to imagine it.

00:05:18.720 He lived it.

00:05:20.580 He is the regional manager for B'nai B'rith in British Columbia.

00:05:25.900 Good guy.

00:05:26.980 His job is to advocate for the Jewish community in the Lower Mainland.

00:05:30.920 And he does that by fighting anti-Semitism and hate.

00:05:33.660 So hate in all of its forms, not just against Jews.

00:05:36.780 And to help out when one or some of Vancouver's 27,000 Jews needs a hand.

00:05:43.420 And he takes anti-Semitism seriously,

00:05:45.660 like along with being a Jew living in Canada post-October 7th.

00:05:50.440 Aaron is the grandson of Holocaust survivors.

00:05:53.160 And, you know, I asked him,

00:05:54.560 do you feel targeted for being a Jew in Canada these days?

00:05:58.000 And he said, every day.

00:06:00.680 On the night the firebomb hit the front doors of the synagogue,

00:06:04.520 he wasn't far away.

00:06:06.120 Synagogue is in this very nice Vancouver neighborhood, I can tell you.

00:06:10.240 It's just a bit south and east of Granville Island.

00:06:13.960 And Aaron told me what happened next.

00:06:15.740 Like, the second he got the call about the fire,

00:06:18.800 he jumped in his car, didn't know what to expect.

00:06:21.620 Like, this is a synagogue he'd attended every single week.

00:06:24.360 He first attended when he was 10 days old.

00:06:27.300 And when he got there, there were only a few congregants there.

00:06:30.080 One of them had actually thrown his coat on the fire to put it out.

00:06:33.520 And a lot of officers from the Vancouver Police and Fire Departments.

00:06:37.600 So Aaron made his way over to the police to find out what he could.

00:06:41.040 And more and more people started to arrive.

00:06:43.780 There were rabbis from different synagogues,

00:06:46.200 people who didn't attend that particular synagogue,

00:06:49.800 but many of the congregants.

00:06:52.280 And people were stunned.

00:06:53.740 They were horrified.

00:06:54.720 They were disgusted that such a large and important Jewish institution

00:06:58.960 could be targeted in such a violent and dangerous attack

00:07:02.720 because somebody could have been killed.

00:07:05.300 And he, you know, Aaron said to me,

00:07:06.880 it was especially concerning to him

00:07:08.940 that somebody harbored so much hate for Jews

00:07:12.660 that they'd be willing to try and burn down a synagogue

00:07:15.380 where people were inside, where people pray every day,

00:07:18.940 where volunteers packed food boxes for the needy.

00:07:21.920 He'd known some of the people outside for years,

00:07:24.980 so he tried to talk to them, to comfort them,

00:07:26.900 told them that he and others would be working with the police,

00:07:29.980 ensure that the bad people were found and brought to justice.

00:07:33.640 And he said, you know, he told them,

00:07:36.620 we don't want to see an escalation of these types of violent anti-Semitic attacks,

00:07:41.600 except there has been an escalation.

00:07:45.480 There has.

00:07:46.780 A big one right across the country.

00:07:49.520 In the same week, in fact,

00:07:52.260 schools for little Jewish kids in Montreal and Toronto

00:07:54.920 had been sprayed by bullets.

00:07:57.080 And I asked him about that,

00:07:58.260 and he said, well, yeah,

00:07:59.640 just our, you know, the firebombing in Vancouver came

00:08:02.660 just two days after the attacks in Montreal and Toronto.

00:08:06.400 And he said to me, I'm asking myself, what's next?

00:08:11.280 Like, we're way past the need for words and condemnations.

00:08:16.740 And he said to me, if our leaders don't act,

00:08:18.920 it's only a matter of time before people are injured or worse.

00:08:22.640 The violence and the incitement must end now.

00:08:26.020 Will it?

00:08:27.460 Will the violence targeting Canadian Jews end now?

00:08:30.400 Well, it hasn't.

00:08:32.960 Given the pathetic responses to date of some politicians and police and prosecutors,

00:08:39.060 chances are it won't.

00:08:41.260 Next time you're at your place of worship, think about that.

00:08:45.340 Next time you are praying, think about that.

00:08:48.980 Then think about what you'd feel when the bomb hits.

00:08:52.660 Oh, fuck, not again.

00:09:15.640 Every time that I feel it's plain, good things get red.

00:09:21.220 You step from the storm, baby, we should just be friends as you kiss my neck.

00:09:29.620 We were trying on a couple people just to get it right.

00:09:34.300 You fit me a little too tight.

00:09:37.900 Beautiful boy, you're living on lines.

00:09:42.100 Heaven a second gets you feeling right.

00:09:46.120 You're the kind of guy.

00:09:47.860 And I don't know what I know you're kind of crazy.

00:09:51.880 Always on one thing or another.

00:09:55.060 And you're so cool, baby.

00:09:58.100 Do you really know how to have fun?

00:10:08.020 Do you really know how to have fun?

00:10:11.860 We're always talking about how we don't have anything to talk about.

00:10:24.680 Maybe it's that shit that we put in our brains.

00:10:28.600 The way back when it's so romantic.

00:10:32.460 But the kids in the 60s all did the same.

00:10:36.180 And we're all trying on a couple people to get it right.

00:10:40.440 You fit me a little too tight.

00:10:44.100 Beautiful boy, you're living on lines.

00:10:48.240 Heaven in a second gets you feeling right.

00:10:52.300 How do we know when we've got it good?

00:10:56.320 How do we know where to leave when we shouldn't?

00:11:00.320 Yesterday calls, you've got nothing to say.

00:11:04.320 You're a beautiful boy, you're feeling okay.

00:11:08.900 You're the kind of guy that my mama would hate.

00:11:12.880 Oh, you're kind of crazy.

00:11:14.880 Always on one thing or another.

00:11:18.240 You're so cool, baby.

00:11:20.800 But do you really know how to have fun?

00:11:25.260 Oh, you're the kind of guy that my mama would hate.

00:11:29.380 Oh, you're kind of crazy.

00:11:31.220 You're the only one thing or another.

00:11:34.360 And you're so cool, baby.

00:11:37.420 But do you really know how to have fun?

00:11:41.060 Do you really know how to have fun?

00:12:11.060 Do you really know how to have fun?

00:12:16.820 So From the River to the Sea or From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free.

00:12:20.900 Obviously, it has its roots, actually, in terror organizations like the Palestinian Liberation Organization that was originally run by Arafat,

00:12:28.640 but also other terror organizations throughout the Middle East,

00:12:31.320 which made multiple speeches and really set the vision of driving out the Jews from the land of Israel,

00:12:37.260 that that was inextricably linked to Palestinian liberation and statehood, that it couldn't be.

00:12:42.780 It was never a two-state solution.

00:12:44.300 It was always about the removal of Jewish population from the place that their indigenousness to, which is the land of Israel.

00:12:50.820 Of course, after October 7th, there has been a weaponization of this term, both online and offline,

00:12:58.740 in the illegal encampment movements in the U.S. campuses,

00:13:01.820 but also in order to harass and target Jews online.

00:13:05.160 As part of the surge in anti-Semitism that we saw post-October 7th, Cyberwell tracked that there was an increase of 86% overall in online anti-Semitism,

00:13:16.140 so almost a doubling in online anti-Semitism in the three or four weeks following October 7th.

00:13:21.880 And from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free,

00:13:24.560 has become one of these slogans that on its face is innocuous and doesn't violate any specific digital policy,

00:13:32.860 but is being weaponized against Jews, both in online and offline spaces.

00:13:37.860 We've seen this term tagged and graffitied on synagogues, for example,

00:13:43.660 synagogues that had no signage outside in support of Israel,

00:13:47.060 for example, the historic synagogue of Barcelona, also synagogues in Philadelphia.

00:13:52.620 So it really has been turned into this phrase that's meant to target and harass Jews in their places of worship,

00:13:59.200 their communities, their campuses, and in online spaces.

00:14:02.560 Now, one thing you say in the report is it's veiled language.

00:14:09.060 And so what is the purpose then?

00:14:11.120 You know, why didn't they not just say, as they do, genocide?

00:14:15.040 Why not make the bald allegation?

00:14:17.260 Why this reliance on what would be considered, I guess, a dog whistle?

00:14:24.040 So I think that we've seen that the anti-Israel or pro-Palestinian movement,

00:14:32.480 like many other movements that are trying to normalize radical ideas,

00:14:37.720 don't come out and say exactly what they mean in the beginning.

00:14:42.980 This is something that's been consistent also with the BDS movement,

00:14:46.680 and it was consistent, by the way, with the Nazi movement in Germany, right?

00:14:49.760 Nobody started talking about the final solution against the Jewish people as point number one in the Third Reich

00:14:55.100 that took time to develop and kind of to prime and ready the fascist society of the Third Reich

00:15:01.980 in order to actually go that far.

00:15:03.740 I actually think that there are more worrying slogans that are very clear calls to violent mobilization and action,

00:15:11.180 such as globalize the Antifada, glory to our martyrs, long live our martyrs.

00:15:16.060 These are things that are inextricably linked to acts of terror and to glorifying acts of terror

00:15:20.020 that are also being used in online spaces and, of course, offline and demonstrations

00:15:25.740 and in the legal encampment movement.

00:15:27.860 What we see with From the River to the Sea is an attempt by the Oversight Board of Mehta,

00:15:33.880 which is the Supreme Court of Mehta,

00:15:36.380 to take on this issue of From the River to the Sea

00:15:39.160 and kind of give a good governance policy or digital policy on this specific language,

00:15:45.080 which has been used by Palestinian activists that are pro-two-state solution,

00:15:51.880 that are pro-Palestinian statehood,

00:15:53.520 just because its roots started off with terrorist organizations

00:15:56.920 doesn't necessarily mean that in every case that it's being used,

00:16:02.460 that it's being used to effectively drive out Jews from their indigenous land of Israel.

00:16:13.540 So even though they've been...

00:16:16.040 Sorry, I'm just going to regroup and answer your question again, if that's okay.

00:16:19.540 Go ahead.

00:16:20.220 The term is being used in order to normalize a radical concept,

00:16:25.020 not unlike what we've seen in other radical movements.

00:16:28.480 Like as with QAnon, as you pointed out in the report.

00:16:33.320 Yes, absolutely.

00:16:34.420 So one of the things that CyberWell came with as a solution to this issue

00:16:40.300 of how do you deal with From the River to the Sea

00:16:42.500 when it may have meanings to both sides, right?

00:16:46.740 Also to pro-Palestinian activists who are genuinely concerned about a humanitarian situation in Gaza

00:16:53.660 and, more importantly, want to advocate for Palestinian statehood.

00:16:57.760 And also means something very clear to Jews who see this as a call to commit genocide

00:17:04.340 against Jews living in Israel and to destroy Israeli statehood.

00:17:07.500 So how do you balance the fact that this specific failed term means multiple things?

00:17:12.140 We looked at a policy that Meta has on the books called the Militarized Groups Policy

00:17:19.140 that was used against the terminology where we go one, we go all,

00:17:23.140 that was typically affiliated with QAnon.

00:17:25.360 This policy started being enacted in terms of its removal and targeting of this phrase

00:17:30.700 and other QAnon pages, events, and accounts as early as August 2020

00:17:37.320 for the concern that the QAnon movement had become a violent conspiracy theory

00:17:42.780 that was actually looking to achieve violent ends.

00:17:46.700 And the argument that essentially CyberWell is making is this is already a policy on the books

00:17:51.140 with a conspiracy theory that caused significant real-world harm.

00:17:56.140 And if we would compare, you know, the January 6th insurrection,

00:17:59.820 which was a one-time event that caused a significant amount of damage

00:18:02.960 and institutional damage, of course,

00:18:05.400 and we're looking also at the illegal encampment movement in the U.S. campuses

00:18:09.560 and Canadian campuses today,

00:18:11.760 even if we tally up the amount of damage that's being done in the dollar amount,

00:18:15.840 there's significant evidence that there is very much real-world harm to public safety.

00:18:21.140 For calls to terror and, of course,

00:18:22.680 to targeting Jews and promoting anti-Semitism with this terminology.

00:18:27.320 And as such, we think it's responsible of the platforms

00:18:29.740 to treat this term specifically the same way that they would

00:18:33.280 when we go on, we go on.

00:18:34.940 How have they responded so far to that argument?

00:18:38.440 So CyberWell submitted this to the Oversight Board directly

00:18:41.980 as part of their process of creating a recommendation to Meta

00:18:46.420 on how to treat this term.

00:18:48.260 This is a first expert opinion and the first organization to cite this policy

00:18:53.740 as something that should be implemented for From the River to the Sea.

00:18:56.900 We will be sharing this public opinion with the platforms directly,

00:19:01.680 including other platforms,

00:19:02.980 because we think it's good governance in general on this policy,

00:19:06.780 given the level of real-world harm that has been committed

00:19:10.260 in the name of this slogan.

00:19:11.480 No, it's a fine piece of research, too.

00:19:15.040 So the etymology of it,

00:19:16.960 what are your origins of From the River to the Sea?

00:19:21.660 From the River to the Sea originally was used

00:19:25.000 by both the Palestinian Liberation Organization,

00:19:28.160 which was run by Yasser Arafan and at the time was a terrorist organization,

00:19:31.460 and also by other Arab leaders in the region

00:19:36.100 when kind of setting the tone for the vision

00:19:39.100 of what was supposed to be done with Israel.

00:19:41.420 In the beginning, there was no interest in a two-state solution.

00:19:45.880 This was definitely setting the vision that the only solution

00:19:48.600 for the Middle Eastern conflict was to drive out Jewish presence

00:19:51.980 from the land of Israel.

00:19:53.780 But after the Oslo Accords, specifically,

00:19:58.360 and when the PLO rejected terrorism on paper,

00:20:02.620 then this terminology continued to be promoted

00:20:05.800 by movements like the Boycott of Mesut and Sanctuary movements

00:20:10.760 in North America and various activists

00:20:14.020 who are calling for Palestinian statements.

00:20:16.620 So I think it's important to acknowledge

00:20:18.580 that this terminology does mean multiple things to multiple people.

00:20:23.780 And that when you're making digital policy in general for good governance,

00:20:28.220 you need to balance freedom of expression with public safety.

00:20:32.280 However, again, there is a policy that's already on the books

00:20:36.200 that treated a similarly, seemingly innocuous term,

00:20:39.880 something that is a late policy,

00:20:42.000 where we will go one, we go all,

00:20:44.020 with a significant treatment to actually de-amplify,

00:20:48.360 contain, and monitor the use of this term

00:20:51.160 when it's being used to promote harassment

00:20:53.600 and online bullying and targeting of users

00:20:55.920 because it was affiliated with a violent conspiracy theory.

00:20:59.300 And you can make the argument that the level of misinformation

00:21:02.000 and disinformation that's being spread

00:21:04.000 around the current defensive war in Gaza

00:21:06.300 is very much like a violent conspiracy theory

00:21:10.160 because you have young people who are extremely,

00:21:13.600 extremely activated by the levels of misinformation

00:21:18.160 and disinformation that they're seeing online on these platforms.

00:21:21.360 And it's causing them to commit real-world harm.

00:21:24.660 Just to give you a data point on that,

00:21:26.720 the University of Amsterdam,

00:21:29.160 which was also the site of an illegal encampment movement

00:21:32.280 and violent protest,

00:21:33.420 estimated that the damages caused to their buildings

00:21:35.820 and to neighborhoods in the surrounding area

00:21:38.520 is at about 1.5 million euros.

00:21:41.460 That's from one day of protesting, okay?

00:21:45.900 So again, the thing that the platforms look at

00:21:49.580 when they're considering how to limit specific slogans

00:21:54.440 is this consideration of real-world harm.

00:21:58.840 The real-world harm threshold has been met and surpassed

00:22:03.800 when it comes to the use of the term

00:22:05.560 from the river to the sea.

00:22:06.940 And it's time that the platforms take a consistent

00:22:11.440 and effective measure against the slogan

00:22:13.640 the same way that they did with QAnon.

00:22:17.500 Where in your data,

00:22:19.860 where are you finding geographically, demographically,

00:22:22.660 where are you finding its usage most prevalent?

00:22:26.660 So I can share with you,

00:22:28.600 I can check that specifically for you

00:22:30.920 and then get back to you

00:22:31.980 because we kind of tend to do a larger geographic

00:22:36.280 kind of sampling on all of our data,

00:22:38.780 not specifically related to the slogan.

00:22:41.120 But I can share with you

00:22:42.800 that in the geographic data that we have from 2023 alone,

00:22:48.880 that the United States, Germany, and Egypt

00:22:52.260 were our top three geolocations.

00:22:54.520 But I will be able to get back to you that,

00:22:56.320 but it's not phrase specific.

00:22:58.360 Thank you.

00:22:59.280 Final question for now.

00:23:03.900 You know, we've all seen this superficially funny videos

00:23:07.940 of students being asked,

00:23:10.260 you know, do you know what river and what sea?

00:23:13.780 And, you know, they get these ridiculous responses,

00:23:17.120 which to me at some level is kind of dangerous

00:23:20.400 because it minimizes the harm caused by this phrase.

00:23:24.920 Like, do we, do you have any sense

00:23:27.660 to CyberWell done any probing?

00:23:29.980 I know this would be a deep dive

00:23:31.380 into how many actually truly understand

00:23:35.340 the meaning and the significance

00:23:37.080 and how the words are in fact painful

00:23:40.440 to Jews and Jewish people.

00:23:43.840 It's a great survey question.

00:23:46.340 We at CyberWell look at online data

00:23:48.480 and we don't look at surveys.

00:23:50.100 But I can tell you that there are on both sides

00:23:55.280 this issue of, I don't think that the knowledge

00:23:58.140 of which river and which sea changes the fact

00:24:01.080 that if the language is meant to target the Jew,

00:24:05.060 over 95 of which in the North America

00:24:07.440 identify as Zionists, right?

00:24:10.380 They know which river and which sea.

00:24:12.780 And more importantly, even if nobody knew

00:24:14.900 which river and we see,

00:24:15.880 and all we were saying was long live the spaghetti monster,

00:24:18.160 and that was being a slogan that was used

00:24:21.000 in order to physically attack students,

00:24:24.600 harass students, target them in their dorm rooms,

00:24:27.800 spit on students, block members of the press

00:24:30.440 from entering the legal encampments,

00:24:32.600 bully people, harass people, et cetera,

00:24:34.980 and of course do millions of dollars of damage

00:24:37.400 to our public universities.

00:24:39.380 Even if the phrase was long live the spaghetti monster,

00:24:41.880 it wouldn't really matter.

00:24:42.920 What matters is the real world harm

00:24:45.000 that's being committed underneath this slogan

00:24:48.960 and refusing to recognize it

00:24:52.340 because it once meant something to somebody else.

00:24:55.940 It's refusing to recognize the real world damage

00:24:58.820 that it's causing and the fact that it's being used

00:25:01.080 to incite and mobilize violent acts

00:25:03.580 and even glorify terrorism

00:25:04.980 is detrimental to national security.

00:25:09.400 So it makes a lot of sense

00:25:11.580 that digital policy needs to reflect this sensitivity.

00:25:15.240 I ain't hanging up this time

00:25:19.200 I ain't giving up tonight

00:25:23.380 Even if you walk around

00:25:26.500 as though you'd think you're right

00:25:28.480 At your waist I still believe it's worth the fight

00:25:32.800 I could make it all go away

00:25:37.100 Tell me what you're thinking

00:25:40.260 Don't delay

00:25:41.600 We could still be having some sweet memories

00:25:46.900 This heart's two beats for you

00:25:49.560 Why can't you see?

00:25:51.940 Shut up, kiss me, hold me tight

00:25:54.020 Shut up, kiss me, hold me tight

00:25:58.260 Stop your crying, it's all right

00:26:02.520 Shut up, kiss me, hold me tight

00:26:06.400 Stop pretending I'm not there

00:26:11.360 When it's clear I'm not going anywhere

00:26:15.160 If I'm out of sight then take another look around

00:26:19.780 I'm still out there hoping to be found

00:26:23.880 Shut up, kiss me, hold me tight

00:26:26.640 Shut up, kiss me, hold me tight

00:26:30.940 Stop your crying, it's all right

00:26:34.980 Shut up, kiss me, hold me tight

00:26:38.780 Shut up, kiss me, hold me tight

00:26:40.820 I could make it all disappear

00:26:44.540 You could feed me all of your fears

00:26:49.460 We could end all this pain right here

00:26:53.740 We could rewind all of those tears

00:26:57.960 I could take it down to the floor

00:27:01.880 You don't have to feel it anymore

00:27:05.680 You don't have to feel it anymore

00:27:06.260 The love is so real that it can't be ignored

00:27:10.020 It's all over, baby

00:27:12.480 I'm still young

00:27:14.580 I'm still young

00:27:18.440 Shut up, kiss me, hold me tight

00:27:20.460 Shut up, kiss me, hold me tight

00:27:24.680 Stop pretending to my life

00:27:28.880 Shut up, kiss me, hold me tight

00:27:32.420 Shut up, kiss me, hold me tight

00:27:34.380 Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh

00:27:41.100 Oh, oh, oh, oh

00:27:45.100 Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh

00:27:49.640 guitar solo

00:28:19.640 There's safe ridings and there's ridings that are always up in the air that you call kind of swing

00:28:38.440 ridings when things are looking great for the conservatives next thing you know that riding

00:28:42.640 turns blue when the liberals swept in in 2015 they won a bunch of seats they hadn't won in ages

00:28:48.500 they never lose usually in Toronto to the conservatives and if they do it's to the NDP

00:28:55.320 Toronto St. Paul's by-election is two weeks from Monday and it is a coin flip right now so it would

00:29:01.920 seem Carolyn Bennett held that riding for a lot of years she won four straight elections and the last

00:29:08.100 two she had 49 percent to the conservatives 25 and prior to that she had 54.3 percent in 2019

00:29:14.860 to the conservatives 21 but times have changed uh and a lot of people are wondering does Justin

00:29:20.460 Trudeau get kicked to the road if they can't hold on to this seat Warren Kinsella uh joins us right now

00:29:26.900 on the show we always enjoy our chats with him he of course um has uh has an opinion about whether

00:29:32.600 Justin Trudeau is sticking around for the next federal election or not he's CEO of the Daisy

00:29:36.020 group good morning good morning sir what do you think here um if the liberals are you still of

00:29:41.980 the mind Trudeau won't be the leader of the next uh election we go to likely in 16 months I am because

00:29:48.300 he's not a dummy and he's been behind his opponent his main opponent for 15 to 20 points for a year

00:29:55.920 actually more than a year so like he he can read a poll like the rest of us and he knows

00:30:01.940 he's a goner if he sticks around so I don't think he wants to stick around for that and in the case

00:30:07.420 of St. Paul's if they lose that one I can't believe we're actually talking I know the liberals losing

00:30:13.360 this is like what the Democrats used to call a yellow dog riding right you could run a yellow dog

00:30:19.420 in it and it would vote Democrat like this one is as liberal as liberal can be like if it's the end

00:30:25.660 of the world Greg and there's like one or two ridings left that are saved for the liberal party

00:30:31.580 one would be Mount Royal Montreal the other would be St. Paul's in Toronto like if they lose this one

00:30:37.260 it's like lights out I talked to and again maybe this is uh this is not necessarily indicative of

00:30:42.700 everybody but I talked to a friend of mine who lives in Davenport uh yesterday and they always

00:30:47.060 either vote NDP that's March Stiles provincial riding it's a really safe NDP or liberal riding

00:30:51.280 and he said all we have time for him all his neighbors is safety on the streets bottom line can we

00:30:58.960 pay our mortgage can we put food on the table can we get kids to university they don't care about

00:31:03.660 flags they don't care about what's going on overseas they don't care about any of that it's bottom line

00:31:08.360 meat and potatoes and if the liberals look like they're focusing too much on the other stuff Warren

00:31:12.780 they're in trouble in these kind of ridings they are and you know this is if you look at why is Pierre

00:31:17.740 Paulieva ahead why is he ahead as much as 20 points and just about every reputable poll you can see

00:31:24.240 it's because you know he does periodically talk about the Middle East he does periodically talk

00:31:29.560 about you know other stuff but the the thing that he sticks to he just doesn't let it go he's a dog

00:31:35.900 with a bone talk about dogs again is pocketbook issues because that is an issue in St. Paul and

00:31:42.960 it's an issue in Red Deer and it's an issue like in Smithers BC everywhere you go that is the main issue

00:31:49.820 the one that people are most preoccupied with and you know the liberals just have dropped the ball on

00:31:56.580 that one it's just hard to picture Justin Trudeau ever worrying about a rent or a mortgage payment

00:32:02.120 or the next hydro bill and Paulieva is much more credible on it and that's why something's happened

00:32:08.040 that I can't remember ever happening Pierre Paulieva the leader of the Conservative Party of Canada

00:32:13.660 actually is personally campaigned in St. Paul's used to be that you know that would just be a flyover

00:32:19.660 riding you know the leader would look down from his plane and wave at it like he's actually spent

00:32:25.320 time in St. Paul's that tells you they think they could win it I noticed um with this particular

00:32:30.280 riding um they've sent they have sent Christian Freeland out to campaign and knock on doors

00:32:35.080 not trying to be mean but Warren if you're that candidate uh would you be like I'm good on my own

00:32:41.700 like there's I there's a lot of polarization with the finance minister uh she's one of the most well-known

00:32:47.380 cabinet ministers you could send somebody from the suburbs somebody from where I live somebody from

00:32:51.340 London out and it's just going to be another face a smiling face at the door people know who

00:32:55.860 Christian Freeland is I'm not sure that's a great strategy no she's not a vote getter she's not a vote

00:33:02.480 winner I mean she is uh pretty close to the blast radius you know when the when the end times come for

00:33:09.400 the Trudeau guys but I mean she's there because Leslie Church is the liberal candidate used to work for

00:33:15.520 and you know Leslie Church I've known her for a decade and she's smart but she has no connection

00:33:20.640 to the riding you know her claim is well I lived in St. Paul's you know when I went to UT well that

00:33:26.980 that doesn't quite cut it and I think you know she worked for Freeland she was chief of staff to Freeland

00:33:33.520 and previously she'd worked for Google and she received lobbyists from Google after she worked in

00:33:40.900 Google and but you know she's just a classic Trudeau liberal she's been up there forever

00:33:45.760 and uh decided well I'm gonna head down to 401 and I'm gonna win this riding well not so fast it looks

00:33:52.580 like there is an excellent chance in two weeks time the liberals could lose it so there there is a lot

00:33:57.800 being written about this uh about this concept and the the phrase Althea Raj used it and um she's no

00:34:04.400 dummy she's connected she says there will be quote immense pressure on Trudeau to resign so you're

00:34:10.020 buying that if he loses if the liberals lose on the 24th no I am not buying it um with the greatest

00:34:15.820 respect to her like the thing you got to remember about Trudeau he's he's had he has had some big

00:34:22.660 accomplishments and his biggest political accomplishment was in 2015 taking the Liberal

00:34:28.380 Party of Canada which was in third place in the House of Commons the first place with a huge majority

00:34:34.840 like as much as people dislike him now that is a big big achievement and all of those liberals who

00:34:41.520 are there you know they owe their political careers to him right that's why you've never seen any of them

00:34:47.600 really rising up on their hind legs and saying he's got to go that happened to Martin that happened

00:34:53.500 to Turner that happened to a bunch of them but it doesn't happen to this guy because you know they're

00:34:58.620 all just kind of first termers so first term in a bit uh who owe everything to him so I I'm not sure

00:35:05.200 that they are going to do that but he should he should leave because it's not good to live

00:35:09.960 I don't wanna be funny anymore

00:35:17.540 I don't wanna be funny anymore

00:35:24.540 Lately I've been feeling like the odd man now

00:35:32.540 I heard my friends saying things I don't mean out loud

00:35:40.120 I don't wanna be funny anymore

00:35:46.120 I got a too short skirt maybe I can be the cute one

00:35:53.120 Is there room in the band I don't need to be the front man

00:36:00.700 If not then I'll be the biggest fan

00:36:07.500 I don't want the drip to be on me

00:36:14.200 Yeah I'll buy the clothes and I'll be the best dressed

00:36:21.780 Yeah I'll read the books and I'll be the smartest

00:36:28.780 I'll play guitar and I'll be the hardest

00:36:37.780 Try not to laugh

00:36:42.360 I know it'll be hard

00:36:46.360 I'm serious

00:36:48.560 I know it's the first part

00:36:53.360 I don't wanna be funny anymore

00:37:17.980 Yeah I'll be the gossip here through the grapevine

00:37:25.500 Pass it on she's done with me all time

00:37:34.800 That funny girl

00:37:38.360 Doesn't wanna smile for a while

00:37:44.240 This is CFRA Live Sunday Political Panel

00:37:49.120 And welcome to it 8.07 here on CFRA Live

00:37:54.920 Time for our Political Panel

00:37:56.060 Joining us on the phone this morning is Carl Belanger

00:37:58.140 He is the president at Traction Strategies

00:38:00.120 Good morning Carl

00:38:00.740 Morning Andrew

00:38:01.780 Tasha Carradine is a political columnist for the National Post

00:38:04.400 She is an author and writer for GZero Media as well

00:38:06.940 Good morning Tasha

00:38:07.720 Good morning

00:38:09.020 And Warren Kinsella is a strategist and Post Media columnist

00:38:11.720 You can read him in the Toronto Sun

00:38:13.600 Warren thanks for joining us

00:38:14.880 Morning guys

00:38:15.980 Usually we start off with federal politics

00:38:18.260 We're gonna kick around a little bit of a local one here

00:38:20.120 Just to ask Carl's thoughts on this

00:38:22.080 Carl we've been hearing in the news this morning

00:38:23.760 Gatineau is heading to the polls

00:38:25.240 Quebec's third largest city just across the river

00:38:27.460 Obviously this a little bit of a surprise one

00:38:30.660 Because the former mayor kind of stepped down very suddenly

00:38:33.520 Citing the very toxic political atmosphere that they were citing

00:38:37.480 But has anything changed?

00:38:39.600 I want to get your thoughts on who you're watching Carl

00:38:41.140 But has anything changed in terms of the political atmosphere here?

00:38:44.960 It doesn't appear so

00:38:46.260 Because just Friday a city councillor from Gatineau announced

00:38:50.360 That he was taking a pause for a mental health reason

00:38:54.240 Because he was being harassed and inundated with

00:38:57.680 What he described as mean messages and hateful messages

00:39:01.140 And that he just could not keep doing it anymore

00:39:04.160 So it's still the same

00:39:06.120 Despite that

00:39:07.420 There are seven candidates trying to replace the mayor

00:39:11.340 One is a member of Action Gatineau

00:39:14.560 Maud-Marquis-Bissonne

00:39:15.380 That she's been leading in the polls the entire campaign

00:39:17.640 With around 37-38% of support

00:39:20.320 Behind her are six independents

00:39:23.080 Including the former mayor of Gatineau

00:39:24.820 The first mayor of the post-merger era

00:39:27.320 Who's trying to make a comeback

00:39:29.760 And he's been quite aggressive in his tone

00:39:33.920 It's been noted by observers and by the voters

00:39:39.080 That said

00:39:40.760 If you are going to stop Action Gatineau

00:39:43.180 It's probably the best bet

00:39:44.340 So we'll see how the turnout will be

00:39:47.160 Because during the advance polls

00:39:48.940 It was only 10%

00:39:50.020 And it's a rainy day right now

00:39:52.500 And usually people don't tend to get out much when it rains

00:39:55.620 So it will come down to who can get out the vote

00:39:58.920 And on that front

00:39:59.780 You have two machines

00:40:00.840 One of a political party

00:40:03.380 Which has eight city councillors

00:40:06.660 And the other one

00:40:07.760 Yves Deschamps

00:40:08.400 Can count on the support of six independent councillors

00:40:11.120 And their own machines

00:40:12.280 So it will come down to that

00:40:13.700 The good old get out the vote

00:40:15.200 Yeah and you know

00:40:16.580 A municipal by-election at that

00:40:18.140 That decides the mayor

00:40:19.120 It's a very rare one

00:40:20.740 So we'll definitely be watching that closely

00:40:22.400 To see what happens

00:40:23.280 Turning our attention kind of nationally

00:40:25.480 Seeing some new poll numbers this week

00:40:27.400 I wanted to ask you guys about this

00:40:28.980 Because Nano's polls this week

00:40:30.660 Showing that more Canadians are likely to prefer

00:40:33.640 A number of Canadians prefer

00:40:35.040 A new Liberal leader in the next election

00:40:37.640 That is not Justin Trudeau

00:40:39.140 Warren I'll start with you

00:40:40.660 Is this

00:40:41.660 If you're the Liberal Party

00:40:43.580 Do you take this seriously

00:40:44.640 Or does it matter more about

00:40:46.220 You know party members

00:40:47.360 At the end of the day

00:40:48.200 Well yeah

00:40:49.760 You should take it seriously

00:40:50.900 You know

00:40:51.540 They've been behind by as much as

00:40:53.460 21 points for a year

00:40:55.040 Actually it's over a year now

00:40:56.480 Like a year

00:40:57.480 Like they're going to get massacred

00:40:59.740 With Justin Trudeau

00:41:01.140 As their leader

00:41:01.880 And

00:41:03.020 But to answer your question

00:41:04.760 No

00:41:05.140 It doesn't seem like

00:41:06.300 They're taking it seriously

00:41:07.500 Because

00:41:08.460 You know

00:41:09.400 They've cultivated

00:41:10.160 Nobody in the wings

00:41:11.580 Waiting to take over

00:41:12.820 First time in the Liberal Party's history

00:41:14.380 That I can recall

00:41:15.220 And you know

00:41:17.660 Nobody's agitating

00:41:18.620 For Trudeau to go

00:41:20.020 You know

00:41:20.320 You get a senator say something

00:41:22.020 Percy down

00:41:23.080 And maybe one member

00:41:24.180 From Atlantic Canada

00:41:25.340 Says something

00:41:25.940 Then they back down

00:41:26.900 Like

00:41:27.560 They're heading towards

00:41:29.660 Total disaster

00:41:30.860 And polling is now showing

00:41:32.420 That

00:41:33.440 If they have somebody else

00:41:35.260 As leader

00:41:36.160 They stand a better chance

00:41:38.140 Than they do at the moment

00:41:39.080 So yeah

00:41:39.980 It feels like

00:41:40.540 They're sleepwalking

00:41:41.460 Towards total disaster

00:41:42.880 And Tasha

00:41:43.920 To Warren's point here

00:41:45.340 Are all of these signs

00:41:46.760 Have all of these red flags

00:41:48.140 Been flying

00:41:48.680 And the Trudeau Liberals

00:41:49.960 And the Liberal Party

00:41:50.840 As a whole

00:41:52.060 Kind of been ignoring them

00:41:53.200 Short answer

00:41:55.840 Yes

00:41:56.800 And I think that

00:41:58.240 That is

00:41:58.940 A testament

00:41:59.740 To

00:42:00.400 How

00:42:01.320 I don't say rudderless

00:42:02.900 But how

00:42:03.580 The party

00:42:04.600 Doesn't have a clear successor

00:42:06.060 This is

00:42:06.680 This is the issue

00:42:07.340 I mean

00:42:07.660 People are agitating

00:42:08.600 Sure

00:42:08.960 But there's no one

00:42:10.000 Who's ready

00:42:11.600 To

00:42:12.160 I guess

00:42:12.760 Mount more of a challenge

00:42:14.160 Directly to Trudeau

00:42:15.100 And every time

00:42:15.520 Someone seems to do that

00:42:16.760 They immediately back

00:42:17.580 Scuttle back into their corner

00:42:18.760 Like Dominic LeBlanc

00:42:19.660 Did not too long ago

00:42:20.700 When the rumors

00:42:21.660 Started flying around him

00:42:22.780 Interesting

00:42:23.700 Mark Carney

00:42:24.260 Is making another

00:42:25.100 Keynote speech

00:42:26.360 At a conference

00:42:26.920 In Toronto

00:42:27.420 This week

00:42:28.200 So who knows

00:42:29.320 It'll be up to Trudeau

00:42:30.900 To take the walk

00:42:31.620 In the sand

00:42:32.200 Or the snow

00:42:32.700 Or whatever he does

00:42:33.620 I wonder if the latest

00:42:35.400 NSCOP report

00:42:37.180 Is going to put some pressure

00:42:38.360 Because

00:42:39.000 Things are getting so hot

00:42:41.000 On the foreign interference

00:42:41.800 Side

00:42:42.640 It's an uncomfortable place

00:42:44.120 For the Prime Minister to be

00:42:45.140 And I'm wondering

00:42:46.500 If maybe

00:42:46.960 Rather than face that music

00:42:48.360 He may want to

00:42:50.080 To not run again

00:42:51.660 To leave this to somebody else

00:42:53.140 But we'll see

00:42:53.740 So I was thinking

00:42:54.600 This week

00:42:54.940 The last thing

00:42:55.520 That the federal government

00:42:56.460 Wants is a border closure

00:42:57.960 For that CBSA strike

00:42:59.640 So

00:42:59.880 With everything else

00:43:01.420 That they're dealing with

00:43:02.080 Right now

00:43:02.500 Carl

00:43:03.320 I was kind of wondering

00:43:04.040 Just in a sense

00:43:04.640 If it does appear

00:43:05.380 That this is going to be

00:43:06.320 You know

00:43:06.500 A Trudeau versus

00:43:07.260 Polyev election

00:43:08.480 In this sense

00:43:09.420 So

00:43:09.680 If you're Trudeau

00:43:10.760 You're looking at this

00:43:11.420 And sure

00:43:11.840 Canadians

00:43:12.280 It says in this poll

00:43:13.160 A lot of Canadians

00:43:14.400 Don't want me on

00:43:15.120 As next leader

00:43:15.900 In the election

00:43:16.500 But again

00:43:17.600 If you're

00:43:19.280 The Trudeau government

00:43:20.540 Are you listening to that

00:43:22.100 Or are you kind of

00:43:22.980 Narrowing in on the areas

00:43:24.240 Where you can

00:43:24.980 Kind of

00:43:25.440 Nail down on here

00:43:26.860 Trying to

00:43:27.680 Get some support

00:43:28.620 In other areas

00:43:30.580 Yeah

00:43:32.160 I mean

00:43:32.380 You have to look at

00:43:33.040 Trudeau's mindset

00:43:34.220 You know

00:43:35.400 The guy came from

00:43:36.600 Behind three times

00:43:37.600 To win a general election

00:43:38.640 And so

00:43:39.380 I assume

00:43:40.240 He thinks he can do it again

00:43:41.520 And he would relish

00:43:42.380 To go toe-to-toe

00:43:43.580 With Polyev in the election

00:43:44.640 And I think he thinks

00:43:46.060 He can beat him

00:43:46.820 And so sure

00:43:48.360 The polls right now

00:43:49.280 Are not good

00:43:50.020 And you have this

00:43:50.660 This one

00:43:51.180 Indicating that

00:43:51.960 Over half

00:43:52.660 Canadians would like

00:43:54.280 To see a different

00:43:54.980 Liberal leader

00:43:55.580 But the problem is

00:43:56.560 As my colleagues

00:43:57.520 Pointed out

00:43:57.960 Is that there's nobody

00:43:58.580 Really in the wings

00:43:59.440 And therefore

00:44:00.120 Voters are projecting

00:44:01.380 You know

00:44:01.980 They're

00:44:02.980 Who's the ideal

00:44:05.000 Liberal leader

00:44:05.820 And sure

00:44:06.340 Anybody but Trudeau

00:44:07.240 Could do better

00:44:07.880 Except that

00:44:08.840 When you come down to it

00:44:09.960 Those numbers

00:44:10.700 Were very similar

00:44:12.020 When Brian Mulroney

00:44:13.340 Left

00:44:13.700 And that led to what?

00:44:16.060 That led to

00:44:16.640 Kim Campbell

00:44:17.300 And two seats

00:44:18.100 In a complete route

00:44:19.060 Of the Conservatives

00:44:21.360 So I think

00:44:22.460 Liberals are fully aware

00:44:23.560 Of that

00:44:23.980 And so

00:44:25.580 If you're going to go down

00:44:26.840 Do you want to have

00:44:28.180 Somebody that has

00:44:29.200 No experience

00:44:29.740 Has not been able

00:44:31.320 To showcase

00:44:32.940 Any kind of

00:44:33.760 An actual history

00:44:35.520 And then have to

00:44:37.540 Repeat this

00:44:38.120 Scenario again

00:44:39.040 The next election

00:44:40.080 So I think

00:44:40.780 You have to be

00:44:41.440 Very careful

00:44:41.980 What you wish for

00:44:42.740 When it's time

00:44:43.340 To change a leader

00:44:44.240 Because you could

00:44:45.460 Always do worse

00:44:46.280 And it's happened

00:44:47.240 In the past

00:44:47.920 And you know

00:44:49.220 One of the big

00:44:49.820 I think topics

00:44:50.600 That will be driving

00:44:51.480 You know

00:44:51.960 Whenever the next election

00:44:52.780 Is going to be

00:44:53.700 The economy

00:44:54.180 We did see

00:44:54.720 The Bank of Canada

00:44:55.360 Cut rates for the first time

00:44:56.660 In more than four years

00:44:57.940 So initially

00:44:58.760 I was thinking

00:44:59.300 Perhaps this takes

00:45:00.480 Some pressure off

00:45:01.420 The government

00:45:01.760 In terms of

00:45:02.420 The economy right now

00:45:04.160 But we did see

00:45:04.680 Job numbers this week

00:45:05.520 That were pretty weak

00:45:06.420 In comparison to the U.S.

00:45:08.120 As well

00:45:08.560 Maybe Tash

00:45:09.360 I'll start with you

00:45:09.900 On this one

00:45:10.340 In terms of the economy

00:45:11.400 Is this kind of

00:45:13.500 The biggest political football

00:45:14.740 For the Trudeau liberals

00:45:16.880 Right now

00:45:17.320 Is navigating

00:45:17.980 The current

00:45:18.380 Economic situation

00:45:20.260 That Canada is in

00:45:21.240 Yeah

00:45:23.000 I think that

00:45:24.000 You know

00:45:25.220 They're just hoping

00:45:25.900 Things turn around

00:45:26.800 This is the whole idea

00:45:28.500 That things turn around

00:45:29.780 They'll be in a position

00:45:31.240 To say

00:45:32.640 Look

00:45:32.860 You know

00:45:33.180 We did it

00:45:33.680 We pulled the rabbit

00:45:34.300 Out of the hat

00:45:34.880 And the conservatives

00:45:36.000 Will lose their main focus

00:45:37.820 Which has been

00:45:38.620 It's the economy stupid

00:45:39.900 Right

00:45:40.320 And I

00:45:41.300 You know

00:45:41.660 The conservatives

00:45:42.140 Know that

00:45:42.640 That's why

00:45:42.960 They've sidebarred

00:45:44.080 To other issues

00:45:44.620 Like crime

00:45:45.280 Which will

00:45:45.940 Presumably still be

00:45:47.220 An issue

00:45:48.260 In a year

00:45:49.260 I think that

00:45:52.720 The liberals

00:45:53.180 However it is

00:45:54.520 It's a risky gamble

00:45:55.560 Because I think

00:45:56.380 People are so

00:45:57.180 Entrenched right now

00:45:58.300 In how bad things are

00:45:59.260 Even a small change

00:46:00.700 In interest rates

00:46:01.660 Isn't going to

00:46:03.260 You know

00:46:03.660 Turn the whole ship

00:46:04.540 Of state around

00:46:05.220 It's too

00:46:05.740 It's too big

00:46:06.580 It will take years

00:46:07.780 So I think that

00:46:09.140 It's sort of

00:46:09.840 A misplaced bet

00:46:10.600 On their part

00:46:11.200 Warren

00:46:12.200 And as I mentioned

00:46:13.100 A couple of different

00:46:13.800 Political

00:46:14.140 Or economic indicators

00:46:15.620 Here

00:46:16.000 It does show that

00:46:17.060 Canada's economy

00:46:17.780 Is a little weak

00:46:18.480 Right now

00:46:18.880 If you're the liberals

00:46:20.000 Right now

00:46:20.380 Would that be

00:46:21.400 Your main focus

00:46:22.020 Right now

00:46:22.440 Is touting

00:46:23.540 Trying to

00:46:24.240 Spurse some investment

00:46:25.320 In the economy

00:46:25.940 Well that should have

00:46:27.300 Been their focus

00:46:27.880 For the past two years

00:46:29.040 You know

00:46:29.660 The principal reason

00:46:30.640 Why

00:46:31.300 Polyev is ahead

00:46:33.420 Is you know

00:46:34.800 It's not the Middle East

00:46:35.920 It's not law and order

00:46:37.180 It's not vaccinations

00:46:38.520 It's pocketbook stuff

00:46:40.420 Like he

00:46:41.080 He doesn't talk

00:46:41.880 About anything else

00:46:42.820 You know

00:46:43.160 He'll occasionally

00:46:43.820 Say something about Israel

00:46:45.100 Or what have you

00:46:46.340 But he is like

00:46:47.580 A dog with a bone

00:46:48.680 On economic issues

00:46:50.080 And that's where

00:46:50.840 You know

00:46:51.400 Voters are at

00:46:52.380 That's where the public

00:46:53.220 Is at

00:46:53.860 So this rate drop

00:46:55.700 Is the first one

00:46:56.700 In more than four years

00:46:57.940 It's not huge

00:46:59.300 But it's

00:46:59.860 It's welcome news

00:47:00.800 I know you pointed out

00:47:02.140 That you know

00:47:02.840 Job growth

00:47:03.560 Is not so great

00:47:04.500 If job growth

00:47:05.600 Gets super strong again

00:47:07.200 That's when you see

00:47:07.920 Rates going up

00:47:08.940 As we've seen

00:47:09.600 Over the past year

00:47:10.640 So I think

00:47:11.700 Probably they're

00:47:12.700 In a good place

00:47:13.460 In that regard

00:47:14.160 In terms of

00:47:15.020 You know

00:47:15.200 The fiscal reality

00:47:16.180 But in terms of

00:47:17.380 The economic reality

00:47:18.780 They're not

00:47:19.840 Because they've let go

00:47:21.560 Of economic strength

00:47:23.140 And they did have

00:47:23.840 Some things to brag about

00:47:25.100 They actually did

00:47:26.220 You know

00:47:26.860 If you rank us

00:47:27.760 According to different metrics

00:47:29.240 With other members

00:47:29.980 Of the G7

00:47:30.680 We look pretty good

00:47:31.720 But they haven't done that

00:47:33.580 And they've left

00:47:34.540 The economic argument

00:47:36.080 Entirely to Polyev

00:47:37.420 And he's taken it

00:47:38.700 And he's run with it

00:47:39.460 And like

00:47:39.900 I think it's now

00:47:40.840 Too late for them

00:47:41.840 To get it back

00:47:42.620 Carl

00:47:43.980 As I mentioned

00:47:44.780 Kind of the

00:47:45.220 The economic reality

00:47:46.220 It's something that

00:47:47.220 Pierre Polyev

00:47:49.140 Has kind of seized upon

00:47:50.200 And has been doing

00:47:51.240 Really well

00:47:51.740 Has been rising in the polls

00:47:52.780 Do you see

00:47:53.700 Any of these news stories

00:47:55.220 You know

00:47:56.200 If it's interest rates

00:47:57.500 Being cut

00:47:58.040 Is there a way

00:47:59.200 For the liberals

00:48:00.160 To regain

00:48:00.980 The economy message

00:48:02.480 Or is it simply

00:48:03.320 Too far gone

00:48:03.960 Do you think

00:48:04.260 At this point

00:48:04.720 Yeah

00:48:06.120 It will be difficult

00:48:07.360 And what doesn't help

00:48:08.880 Is when you have

00:48:09.760 A good news story

00:48:10.580 Like the rate

00:48:11.420 Dropping down

00:48:12.220 And then you take

00:48:14.680 A victory lap

00:48:15.400 You take a victory lap

00:48:16.660 Like Richard Freeland did

00:48:17.760 And other ministers

00:48:18.520 In the government

00:48:19.000 Did this week

00:48:19.780 Well people are at home

00:48:22.000 And they still

00:48:23.660 Have trouble

00:48:24.480 To make ends meet

00:48:25.320 And so they don't

00:48:26.120 They don't compute

00:48:26.840 They don't understand

00:48:27.740 What the government

00:48:28.300 Is saying

00:48:28.900 Because it's not

00:48:30.040 You know

00:48:30.460 It has not changed

00:48:31.120 Their reality overnight

00:48:32.100 So you could

00:48:33.120 You can brag about it

00:48:34.440 You can do that victory lap

00:48:35.840 But the reality

00:48:36.500 Is that you've not been

00:48:37.440 Able to change narrative

00:48:38.520 That one story

00:48:39.560 Will not change it

00:48:40.540 On its own

00:48:41.640 For months

00:48:42.500 If not years

00:48:43.200 So unless

00:48:44.760 There's like

00:48:45.240 Drastic drops

00:48:46.180 Over the next few months

00:48:47.780 People in their daily lives

00:48:50.620 Will not see

00:48:51.480 The effect immediately

00:48:52.560 Because there's

00:48:54.860 There's other factors

00:48:56.560 At play

00:48:57.080 Inflation

00:48:57.740 Has slowed down

00:48:58.780 But it's still up

00:48:59.680 From what it was

00:49:00.360 A couple of years ago

00:49:01.740 And people are

00:49:02.580 People are fully aware

00:49:03.840 Of that

00:49:04.220 And when they hear

00:49:05.500 Christian Freeland

00:49:06.120 Take that victory lap

00:49:07.240 They think

00:49:08.240 Well these guys

00:49:08.880 Are all in touch

00:49:09.540 And we've seen

00:49:11.480 The conservatives

00:49:11.900 Try to stay on

00:49:12.440 That economic message

00:49:13.260 As I've mentioned

00:49:13.820 A couple of times

00:49:14.960 And what I found

00:49:15.600 Interesting this week

00:49:16.640 Was we saw

00:49:17.780 Conservative MP

00:49:18.420 Arnold Vearson

00:49:19.100 Speaking with

00:49:20.000 Nate Herskin-Smith

00:49:20.840 We can talk about

00:49:21.840 That in a second

00:49:22.440 Talk about a wolf

00:49:23.160 In chief's clothing

00:49:23.840 Right

00:49:24.120 And the idea

00:49:24.840 Of what were you

00:49:25.400 Thinking in terms

00:49:26.080 Of walking into

00:49:26.700 This idea

00:49:27.240 Or this interview

00:49:28.220 But the idea

00:49:29.520 That you know

00:49:30.320 That didn't even

00:49:30.900 Resonate very much

00:49:31.840 This week

00:49:32.240 Right

00:49:32.440 Some pretty

00:49:32.880 Radical social opinions

00:49:34.980 In terms of

00:49:35.840 That getting out

00:49:36.720 Something Pierre Pauly

00:49:37.460 Didn't want to deal with

00:49:38.280 But it seems

00:49:39.080 To have had no

00:49:39.680 Resonance at all

00:49:41.040 Warren

00:49:41.320 Do you think

00:49:42.000 That's a sign

00:49:42.820 Of bad things

00:49:44.040 To come for the liberals

00:49:44.760 Oh the evil little elves

00:49:47.200 In the liberal war room

00:49:48.520 Noticed it

00:49:49.180 Believe me

00:49:50.060 They got their scissors out

00:49:52.700 And they clipped it

00:49:53.520 Out of the papers

00:49:54.180 And here's why

00:49:55.160 Because I'm older

00:49:56.640 Than the rest of you

00:49:57.560 You guys are all kids

00:49:58.620 In 2004

00:50:00.400 An MP named

00:50:02.280 Randy White

00:50:03.340 Opined on the exact

00:50:05.620 Same subject

00:50:07.020 Oh we're not worried

00:50:09.020 About the charter

00:50:09.920 We're not worried

00:50:11.000 We're going to deal

00:50:11.720 With gay rights

00:50:12.500 We're going to deal

00:50:13.100 With abortion

00:50:13.720 You know

00:50:14.720 We've got an ability

00:50:15.620 To do what we

00:50:16.360 Really want to do

00:50:17.660 That cost

00:50:19.320 Stephen Harper

00:50:20.400 That election

00:50:21.400 He lost to Paul Martin

00:50:23.120 Because of Randy White

00:50:24.400 So be

00:50:26.080 Under no illusion

00:50:27.780 Whatsoever

00:50:28.420 The liberal war room

00:50:29.860 Notice what this

00:50:30.740 Nobody MP

00:50:31.620 Had to say

00:50:32.460 And are going to

00:50:34.180 Make use of it

00:50:34.800 In the next election

00:50:35.660 100%

00:50:37.220 He definitely

00:50:39.180 Well he

00:50:39.680 He was asking for it

00:50:40.900 In many ways

00:50:41.620 But Carl

00:50:43.120 Are you surprised

00:50:45.580 At all that

00:50:46.160 You know

00:50:46.520 The conservative MP

00:50:47.280 Arnold Viersen here

00:50:48.060 Would even kind of

00:50:49.380 Move forward

00:50:50.000 And put himself

00:50:50.540 In this position

00:50:51.200 Yeah that's very strange

00:50:53.320 And it's like

00:50:54.160 You are not aware

00:50:55.540 Of the political play

00:50:57.920 That's going to

00:50:58.860 Play out

00:50:59.380 Over the next few months

00:51:00.140 Actually he's been

00:51:00.640 Playing out

00:51:01.140 I mean you saw

00:51:01.660 Trudeau going in

00:51:02.580 Alberta

00:51:03.040 Going in New Brunswick

00:51:04.060 To attack

00:51:04.600 Their provincial cousins

00:51:05.940 On these issues

00:51:06.860 It's an Achilles

00:51:08.380 Hill that sunk

00:51:09.400 Aaron O'Toole

00:51:10.180 And Andrew Scheer

00:51:11.240 And Stephen Harper

00:51:13.480 As just mentioned

00:51:14.220 By Warren

00:51:15.420 Like it's the playbook

00:51:17.120 You're not aware

00:51:18.320 Of the playbook

00:51:18.900 What are you doing

00:51:19.420 In politics

00:51:19.920 You should know

00:51:21.840 And the problem

00:51:22.800 For the conservative

00:51:23.480 And for Pierre Poiliev

00:51:24.480 Is that he's not

00:51:25.660 The only one

00:51:26.200 Who thinks like that

00:51:27.040 And says things like that

00:51:28.240 And there will be

00:51:28.740 More people that will

00:51:29.900 Do that over the

00:51:30.680 Next few months

00:51:31.320 And even during

00:51:32.860 The election

00:51:33.280 I'm sure some candidates

00:51:34.320 Will open their mouth

00:51:35.120 About this stuff

00:51:35.760 So the question is

00:51:37.140 Why are these people

00:51:38.320 In that party

00:51:39.480 Why are they allowed

00:51:40.460 To run in that party

00:51:41.420 Well it's because

00:51:42.380 It's because they can

00:51:43.560 Get voters

00:51:44.660 That agree with them

00:51:45.660 To support them

00:51:46.520 And members

00:51:47.660 To secure

00:51:49.320 The nomination meetings

00:51:50.260 It's a big problem

00:51:51.420 For Pierre Poiliev

00:51:52.160 And it could sink him

00:51:53.400 Very fast

00:51:54.420 We've seen it again

00:51:55.500 In the past

00:51:56.200 And Tasha

00:51:57.600 We've kind of been

00:51:58.100 Talking about

00:51:58.460 The political fallout

00:51:59.460 As mentioned

00:51:59.920 You know

00:52:00.380 Poiliev

00:52:00.780 Pretty quick on this

00:52:01.680 To say all the right things

00:52:03.800 In a sense of

00:52:04.740 You know

00:52:05.200 Supporting gay marriage

00:52:06.100 Supporting a woman's

00:52:07.200 Right to choose

00:52:07.700 Kind of quick on this

00:52:08.440 Do you think

00:52:09.440 That this has the ability

00:52:10.780 To hurt him

00:52:11.740 In the long run

00:52:12.340 Or has he done

00:52:13.160 A good enough job

00:52:13.880 To distance himself here

00:52:15.440 I think he squashed it

00:52:18.940 Really quickly

00:52:19.840 And the fact

00:52:20.860 That it sank

00:52:21.760 And disappeared

00:52:22.460 I think has

00:52:23.000 More to do

00:52:23.860 With what else

00:52:24.400 Is going on

00:52:25.080 Which is

00:52:26.240 That people are

00:52:26.900 As we said earlier

00:52:27.620 Really obsessed

00:52:28.340 About the economy

00:52:29.100 And that's really

00:52:29.780 What they're focused on

00:52:30.700 And I think

00:52:31.880 Also

00:52:32.240 The piece

00:52:32.920 Of crying wolf

00:52:34.180 Is starting

00:52:35.020 To happen

00:52:36.140 Because every time

00:52:37.880 To Warren's point

00:52:38.760 This is

00:52:39.080 Issues worked in the past

00:52:40.460 Every time

00:52:41.260 The liberals

00:52:41.680 See an opportunity

00:52:42.300 They trot it out

00:52:43.400 So I think

00:52:44.680 Canadians are kind

00:52:45.560 Of getting weary

00:52:46.140 It's like

00:52:46.460 Oh yeah

00:52:46.920 Okay

00:52:47.340 You're going to

00:52:47.660 Save us again

00:52:48.340 You know

00:52:49.600 This MP

00:52:50.400 Was rapidly

00:52:51.720 Taken to the woodshed

00:52:52.660 He was

00:52:53.340 He was disciplined

00:52:54.140 Quite clearly

00:52:54.900 And he put out

00:52:55.540 A statement

00:52:55.960 That you know

00:52:57.500 Was not written

00:52:58.220 By him

00:52:58.740 Quite frankly

00:52:59.340 It was sent

00:53:00.580 Probably by the

00:53:01.400 Leader of the

00:53:01.760 Opposition's office

00:53:02.360 But you know

00:53:04.040 If you've got

00:53:04.420 More and more

00:53:05.060 Of these

00:53:05.360 Yeah

00:53:05.660 It'll start to stick

00:53:06.460 But I think

00:53:06.840 One guy like this

00:53:07.660 Is not going to do it

00:53:08.540 Yeah again

00:53:09.540 I just think

00:53:10.120 It's fascinating

00:53:10.600 You know

00:53:10.920 You've got

00:53:11.200 Nate Erskine-Smith

00:53:11.940 Who's just

00:53:12.320 You know

00:53:12.600 Come over here

00:53:13.100 And talk into

00:53:13.540 My microphone

00:53:14.060 About social issues

00:53:14.980 And he was just like

00:53:16.520 Yeah

00:53:16.740 That sounds like

00:53:17.360 A great idea

00:53:18.060 He's a neutral

00:53:18.860 Member of the media

00:53:20.320 That guy

00:53:20.780 Yeah

00:53:21.120 Of course

00:53:21.900 Of course

00:53:22.380 Walking into a box

00:53:23.660 Nothing

00:53:24.880 Nothing attached

00:53:25.780 To him at all

00:53:26.320 And last one

00:53:27.300 This week

00:53:27.540 Probably one of

00:53:28.040 The biggest stories

00:53:29.060 Of this week

00:53:29.720 So I want to

00:53:30.360 Give us a little

00:53:31.000 Bit of time here

00:53:31.540 Tasha maybe

00:53:31.940 I'll start with you

00:53:32.460 Because I know

00:53:32.860 You've been writing

00:53:33.400 Extensively about this

00:53:34.580 As well

00:53:35.580 Perhaps not this week

00:53:36.480 But the idea

00:53:37.020 Of foreign interference

00:53:37.960 We've seen this

00:53:38.620 Come to the forefront

00:53:39.700 Again for the liberals

00:53:40.620 So they're blocking

00:53:41.280 Access to about

00:53:42.040 A thousand plus documents

00:53:43.660 On this panel

00:53:44.560 That is overseeing

00:53:45.460 Foreign interference

00:53:46.180 We've also seen

00:53:47.260 The political machinations

00:53:49.560 So the conservatives

00:53:50.340 Trying to use

00:53:51.260 Or trying to get

00:53:52.060 A list of names

00:53:52.880 Of people who

00:53:53.880 Possibly are compromised

00:53:55.200 Here

00:53:55.520 Just what have you

00:53:56.520 Been making of

00:53:57.060 This week's

00:53:57.600 Revelations

00:53:59.360 At these hearings

00:54:00.560 Well I actually

00:54:01.920 Just put out a piece

00:54:02.760 On that exact issue

00:54:04.940 Because I don't think

00:54:06.880 Contrary to what

00:54:08.580 People might think

00:54:09.120 I'll say

00:54:09.420 I don't think

00:54:10.000 Names should be released

00:54:10.980 And the reason for that

00:54:12.360 Is we don't need names

00:54:13.360 We need party action

00:54:15.020 David Vigneault

00:54:16.580 Head of CSIS

00:54:17.200 Was quite eloquent

00:54:18.540 On this

00:54:19.060 In saying that

00:54:19.760 Unless the party leaders

00:54:21.040 Act to ban

00:54:23.500 These MPs

00:54:24.340 Unless there are

00:54:24.840 Consequences

00:54:25.540 They can't run again

00:54:26.700 There will be censure

00:54:27.720 There will be consequences

00:54:28.660 Foreign governments

00:54:30.060 Will be emboldened

00:54:30.820 And MPs will be

00:54:31.880 Also emboldened

00:54:32.620 To continue

00:54:33.160 This kind of behavior

00:54:34.100 So whether the RCMP

00:54:36.120 Does prosecute

00:54:37.240 Everyone or not

00:54:37.920 Is not in the

00:54:38.640 Government's hands

00:54:39.320 It has to happen

00:54:40.560 The RCMP

00:54:41.100 Has to investigate

00:54:42.140 These individuals

00:54:43.500 And see if things

00:54:44.360 Rise to the level

00:54:45.140 Of criminality

00:54:45.820 Of treason

00:54:46.480 And you know

00:54:47.660 That's the worst

00:54:48.420 It can get

00:54:48.940 But really what

00:54:50.700 Has to happen

00:54:51.260 Is the party leaders

00:54:52.060 In my view

00:54:52.680 Should get together

00:54:53.580 And this should be

00:54:54.660 Non-partisan

00:54:55.240 Polyev should get

00:54:56.120 A security clearance

00:54:57.100 You know

00:54:57.500 Get off this

00:54:58.260 This partisan piece

00:54:59.240 Right now

00:54:59.740 This is national security

00:55:01.320 It is bigger

00:55:02.440 Than a party

00:55:03.420 You have to put

00:55:04.260 Country before party

00:55:05.180 On this one

00:55:05.740 And they need to

00:55:06.500 Sit down and say

00:55:07.460 Okay

00:55:07.840 These guys won't

00:55:08.580 Run again

00:55:09.060 And anyone in

00:55:10.380 Cabinet

00:55:10.680 Who's named

00:55:11.520 Or is in that report

00:55:12.660 That person should

00:55:13.560 Be immediately out

00:55:14.340 Because they have

00:55:15.380 Access to very

00:55:16.260 Confidential information

00:55:17.240 And they should not

00:55:17.820 Have it

00:55:18.200 Warren when we

00:55:20.680 Talk about the names

00:55:21.540 I think everybody

00:55:22.300 Can understand

00:55:22.840 Why names

00:55:24.260 Wouldn't be released

00:55:24.960 Or why they

00:55:25.360 Aren't being released

00:55:26.140 But is this a good

00:55:27.400 Political attack

00:55:28.840 For the conservatives

00:55:29.480 To keep hitting on

00:55:30.340 A message obviously

00:55:31.400 That has been

00:55:32.080 Hurting the liberals

00:55:32.740 This topic of

00:55:33.640 Foreign interference

00:55:34.300 No sorry guys

00:55:35.820 I totally

00:55:36.520 Totally do not

00:55:37.720 Understand why

00:55:38.680 Names are not

00:55:39.400 Being released

00:55:40.140 I completely

00:55:41.100 Disagree with my

00:55:42.100 Friend

00:55:42.480 We're talking

00:55:44.540 About members

00:55:45.600 Of parliament

00:55:46.560 Who colluded

00:55:47.820 And conspired

00:55:48.860 With enemies

00:55:49.420 Of this country

00:55:50.260 Like until

00:55:52.120 1998

00:55:53.240 That was an

00:55:54.580 Offence punishable

00:55:55.920 In Canada

00:55:56.800 By capital

00:55:57.840 Punishment

00:55:58.500 That's how

00:55:59.820 Seriously

00:56:00.500 We regard it

00:56:01.640 And like

00:56:02.240 People are

00:56:03.820 Actually saying

00:56:04.660 We shouldn't

00:56:05.300 Know who

00:56:05.960 Did this

00:56:06.780 And they're

00:56:07.700 Sitting in

00:56:08.220 Parliament

00:56:08.620 They may be

00:56:09.480 In cabinet

00:56:10.120 They may be

00:56:11.080 Affecting decisions

00:56:12.140 That the country

00:56:12.960 Is making

00:56:13.660 In respect of

00:56:14.980 These foreign

00:56:15.780 Hostilities

00:56:17.540 And these

00:56:18.120 Hostile foreign

00:56:19.000 Nations

00:56:19.440 Like I'm

00:56:20.520 Sorry

00:56:20.780 That's crazy

00:56:21.680 We need to

00:56:22.480 Know who

00:56:22.860 They are

00:56:23.280 This is among

00:56:24.360 The most

00:56:24.720 Serious crimes

00:56:25.740 That we've

00:56:26.160 Got in this

00:56:26.720 Country still

00:56:27.660 Which is

00:56:28.460 Treason

00:56:29.000 This is

00:56:29.840 Treason

00:56:30.240 Against the

00:56:30.760 Country

00:56:31.100 And we are

00:56:31.980 Entitled to

00:56:32.540 Know as

00:56:33.000 Every single

00:56:33.900 Newspaper in

00:56:34.720 This country

00:56:35.240 Is editorialized

00:56:36.420 We are

00:56:37.140 Entitled to

00:56:37.880 Know we

00:56:38.320 Have to

00:56:38.980 Know who

00:56:40.020 They are

00:56:40.840 Yeah all

00:56:42.820 Fair points

00:56:43.440 In many

00:56:44.140 Senses I

00:56:44.700 Think from

00:56:45.160 What I've

00:56:45.460 Heard on

00:56:45.780 The other

00:56:46.700 Side is

00:56:47.340 People concerned

00:56:48.000 About you

00:56:48.360 Know the

00:56:48.580 Piling on

00:56:49.360 You know this

00:56:49.900 Isn't you

00:56:50.640 Know all

00:56:51.260 Allegations

00:56:52.040 Until it's

00:56:52.700 Been proven

00:56:53.220 Carl what do

00:56:54.160 You think

00:56:54.400 About this

00:56:54.840 Well I mean

00:56:56.500 Yeah you

00:56:57.280 Don't want to

00:56:57.700 Fall at the

00:56:58.660 Level of

00:56:59.180 McCarty

00:57:00.100 And McCartyism

00:57:01.700 And witch

00:57:02.200 Hunt and

00:57:02.720 Go after

00:57:03.360 People that

00:57:04.000 Don't deserve

00:57:04.440 To be gone

00:57:04.900 After but

00:57:05.940 The reality

00:57:06.400 Is that if

00:57:07.400 There are

00:57:07.680 Spies and

00:57:08.260 Traitors walking

00:57:09.080 In parliament

00:57:09.620 We shouldn't

00:57:10.740 Know about

00:57:11.180 It and

00:57:11.520 Voters

00:57:11.840 Shouldn't

00:57:12.100 Know who

00:57:12.380 They are

00:57:12.760 So they

00:57:13.220 Don't vote

00:57:13.560 For them

00:57:13.880 Again at

00:57:14.460 Least at

00:57:14.920 The very

00:57:15.260 Least but

00:57:16.500 The truth

00:57:16.880 Is that

00:57:17.440 You know

00:57:18.140 The government

00:57:18.980 And the

00:57:20.860 Other parties

00:57:21.500 To be fair

00:57:22.100 Especially the

00:57:22.820 Conservatives

00:57:23.280 Don't want to

00:57:24.820 Be guilty by

00:57:25.540 Association because

00:57:26.560 They are people

00:57:27.300 And I don't

00:57:28.400 Know if it's

00:57:28.820 In all the

00:57:29.420 Parties but

00:57:29.880 I'm sure in

00:57:30.520 Both main

00:57:31.620 Parties that

00:57:32.680 Have done

00:57:33.420 What's been

00:57:34.360 What's been

00:57:35.040 Reported and

00:57:36.400 Talk to

00:57:37.040 Foreign powers

00:57:37.820 Sometimes

00:57:39.240 New England

00:57:39.580 Sometimes not

00:57:40.260 At the

00:57:40.960 Same time

00:57:41.520 There are

00:57:41.980 Also precedent

00:57:42.800 In this

00:57:43.200 Country about

00:57:43.940 Members of

00:57:45.020 Parliament being

00:57:46.300 Found guilty

00:57:47.540 By parliament

00:57:48.340 Of spying for

00:57:49.580 Other countries

00:57:50.140 Fred Rose was

00:57:51.040 A quebec

00:57:51.480 MP and he

00:57:52.720 Was expelled

00:57:53.300 For being

00:57:54.280 You know

00:57:54.740 Because he

00:57:55.500 Was accused

00:57:55.880 Of being a

00:57:56.300 Spy for the

00:57:56.720 Soviet Union

00:57:57.200 In the

00:57:57.520 Forties

00:57:57.920 It's

00:57:58.540 Happened in

00:57:58.960 The past

00:57:59.420 The fact

00:58:00.260 That

00:58:00.600 The government

00:58:01.800 Is

00:58:02.320 Kind of

00:58:03.380 Feel like

00:58:03.880 There's a bit

00:58:05.360 Of a

00:58:05.580 Laissez-faire

00:58:06.100 Attitude

00:58:06.540 Towards that

00:58:07.300 And well

00:58:07.860 It's up to

00:58:08.240 The RCMP

00:58:08.920 Well I don't

00:58:09.760 Think that's

00:58:10.200 Good enough

00:58:10.620 For voters

00:58:11.140 Now do

00:58:11.760 People care

00:58:12.380 Do voters

00:58:12.900 Actually care

00:58:13.560 About that

00:58:14.060 Well the

00:58:15.120 Foreign

00:58:15.340 Interference

00:58:15.860 Story has

00:58:16.760 Been going

00:58:17.080 On for

00:58:17.540 Years now

00:58:18.640 And you

00:58:19.760 Know it's

00:58:20.200 Been hurting

00:58:20.660 The political

00:58:21.100 Narrative

00:58:21.780 But has it

00:58:22.340 Been really

00:58:22.760 Earning the

00:58:23.180 Liberals in

00:58:23.560 The polls

00:58:23.880 I'm not

00:58:24.200 So sure

00:58:24.840 Go ahead

00:58:26.560 Yeah go

00:58:26.920 Ahead

00:58:27.120 Tasha

00:58:27.400 I will

00:58:27.700 Just say

00:58:28.040 Look

00:58:28.240 Warren I

00:58:29.700 Get it

00:58:29.980 Someone's

00:58:30.260 Committed

00:58:30.480 Treason

00:58:30.900 They shouldn't

00:58:31.400 Run again

00:58:31.800 But the

00:58:32.180 Point is

00:58:32.500 None of

00:58:32.780 These

00:58:32.880 Individuals

00:58:33.380 Have been

00:58:33.600 Charged

00:58:34.040 None of

00:58:34.760 Them

00:58:34.880 Have

00:58:35.120 And I

00:58:36.260 Am

00:58:36.720 Firmly

00:58:37.280 Let's

00:58:38.780 Charge

00:58:40.280 Them

00:58:40.460 You can't

00:58:40.940 Tell the

00:58:41.260 RCMP

00:58:41.600 In order

00:58:42.240 To do

00:58:42.720 That

00:58:42.940 No

00:58:45.380 One at a

00:58:46.440 Time

00:58:46.580 One at a

00:58:46.900 Time

00:58:47.000 One at a

00:58:47.280 Time

00:58:47.440 The

00:58:48.440 RCMP

00:58:48.820 Would have

00:58:49.200 This

00:58:49.360 Information

00:58:49.860 They have

00:58:50.960 To prosecute

00:58:51.760 The party's

00:58:52.700 Responsibility

00:58:53.280 Right now

00:58:53.720 Is to

00:58:54.160 Prevent

00:58:54.600 These

00:58:54.800 Individuals

00:58:55.260 From

00:58:55.380 Running

00:58:55.560 Again

00:58:55.760 I agree

00:58:56.100 The

00:58:56.260 Liberals

00:58:56.520 Are dragging

00:58:56.860 Their feet

00:58:57.260 And they're

00:58:57.720 Obfuscating

00:58:58.480 Because their

00:58:58.920 People are

00:58:59.440 In there

00:58:59.720 And they

00:59:00.080 Know it

00:59:00.620 And they

00:59:01.660 Have got

00:59:02.120 To get

00:59:02.460 Off that

00:59:02.840 The only

00:59:03.420 Way to

00:59:03.700 Do that

00:59:03.980 Is for

00:59:04.260 The opposition

00:59:04.760 Party

00:59:05.040 To force

00:59:05.560 Them

00:59:05.800 Make it

00:59:06.320 A

00:59:06.420 Confidence

00:59:06.800 Motion

00:59:07.160 Gotta

00:59:07.560 Sit down

00:59:08.040 And get

00:59:08.280 Rid of

00:59:08.520 These

00:59:08.640 People

00:59:08.900 All parties

00:59:09.520 Together

00:59:09.900 But probably

00:59:10.800 Everything of

00:59:11.440 Not looking

00:59:12.000 At the

00:59:12.220 Report

00:59:12.560 Because I

00:59:12.900 Don't

00:59:13.060 Want to

00:59:13.300 Be

00:59:13.520 Muzzled

00:59:14.280 Is

00:59:14.480 Ridiculous

00:59:15.100 That's

00:59:15.620 Got to

00:59:15.840 Stop

00:59:16.160 He's

00:59:16.440 Got to

00:59:16.720 You know

00:59:17.160 Act the

00:59:17.680 Big boy

00:59:18.120 And be

00:59:18.460 A statesman

00:59:18.960 Take the

00:59:19.360 Lead

00:59:19.620 He could

00:59:20.240 He could

00:59:20.540 Score

00:59:20.800 More points

00:59:21.280 Doing that

00:59:21.820 Than what

00:59:22.260 He's

00:59:22.380 Doing now

00:59:22.760 Warren

00:59:23.160 End this

00:59:23.520 With a

00:59:23.700 Kill shot

00:59:24.140 Like I'm

00:59:25.100 Sorry

00:59:25.420 Traitors in

00:59:26.340 The house

00:59:26.680 Of commons

00:59:27.360 Let's

00:59:27.900 Keep them

00:59:28.280 Anonymous

00:59:28.760 Like

00:59:29.440 Seriously

00:59:30.000 You don't

00:59:30.560 Know

00:59:30.860 That is

00:59:31.820 Tasha

00:59:32.600 That is

00:59:34.020 What you

00:59:34.420 Said

00:59:34.780 That is

00:59:35.840 That is

00:59:38.900 If we

00:59:39.380 Have people

00:59:40.100 Who have

00:59:40.620 Committed

00:59:40.980 Treason

00:59:41.600 We're

00:59:42.160 Entitled

00:59:42.720 As

00:59:43.120 Citizens

00:59:43.920 To know

00:59:44.400 Who they

00:59:44.720 Are

00:59:45.060 And we

00:59:45.820 Are entitled

00:59:46.580 To have

00:59:47.200 Them

00:59:47.440 Prosecuted

00:59:48.260 For among

00:59:49.020 The most

00:59:49.360 Serious

00:59:49.740 Crimes

00:59:50.120 There is

00:59:50.680 But we'll

00:59:51.140 Leave it

00:59:51.480 There guys

00:59:51.760 Warren

00:59:52.280 Tasha

00:59:52.720 Carl

00:59:53.060 Always

00:59:53.440 Love the

00:59:53.780 Debate

00:59:54.100 Thanks

00:59:54.480 For joining

00:59:55.020 Us

00:59:55.180 This

00:59:55.320 Morning

01:00:08.900 Tasha

01:00:16.140 Students

01:00:17.640 To have

01:00:19.180 Tasha

01:00:20.220 Some

01:00:38.840 Hey, hey, hey

01:00:52.840 I'm a contest

01:00:59.840 I'm a loser with no chance

01:01:07.840 Hold my hand again, hand again, hand

01:01:20.840 I don't wanna be a backwards man

01:01:30.840 Come on, get out of my head

01:01:38.840 Head

01:01:48.840 Head

01:01:52.840 Head

01:02:02.840 Head

01:02:04.840 Head

01:02:08.840 Head

01:02:12.840 Head

01:02:18.840 Head

01:02:20.840 Head

01:02:22.640 We'll be right back.

01:02:52.640 We'll be right back.

kinsellacast - June 09, 2024

KINSELLACAST 315： Tal-Or Cohen Montemayor, Brady, Belanger and more - plus Molly Payton, Angel Olsen, Slow Pulp, Lucy Dacus

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