kinsellacast - June 23, 2024


KINSELLACAST 316： The antisemites get bolder - plus Lilley, Pierson, Kheiriddin, Belanger and Pointed Sticks!


Episode Stats

Length

1 hour and 6 minutes

Words per Minute

161.38435

Word Count

10,778

Sentence Count

113

Misogynist Sentences

15

Hate Speech Sentences

14


Summary


Transcript

00:00:00.000 It's the Kinsella Cast, starring Warren Kinsella.
00:00:19.580 Hey, it's Warren. Welcome back to the Kinsella Cast.
00:00:23.020 There was no Kinsella Cast last week, and that's some of the year ago,
00:00:26.860 because it was the 20th anniversary of my dad's passing,
00:00:31.140 and so I decided it was important to observe that.
00:00:35.200 So it was some quiet time, so it was often the woods, me and the mosquitoes.
00:00:40.400 And so I did some painting and some writing and some reflection,
00:00:45.820 so hopefully you didn't miss me too much.
00:00:50.400 I have gone back now after some time,
00:00:53.000 because I've been interviewing different people in Israel and elsewhere,
00:00:56.860 he was camping, I didn't have a podcast,
00:01:01.540 but Brian Lilly is back,
00:01:03.260 and we talk about all kinds of interesting stuff that's happening politically.
00:01:07.620 There's just a ton of stuff happening politically.
00:01:11.140 I've got Tasha Carradine and Carl Belanger doing the same thing,
00:01:14.380 Alex Pearson and I talking about what's happening at universities,
00:01:18.460 campuses with the anti-Semitic occupations.
00:01:22.360 I'll talk about that in a minute.
00:01:24.180 And I've got the pointed sticks.
00:01:26.380 So as is often the case, I'm driving along in my Jeep,
00:01:30.480 and I hear a snippet.
00:01:31.940 I hear like a couple chords, and I go, I know what that is.
00:01:35.700 And that's what happened to me this week with the pointed sticks.
00:01:38.220 I just heard this little bit of this amazing song by this amazing Vancouver band,
00:01:44.400 who were just giants to us when we were growing up in the punk scene in Calgary.
00:01:49.620 And they were poppy.
00:01:52.220 They were poppier than a lot of bands.
00:01:54.660 Maybe not poppier than the Hot Nasties.
00:01:56.940 We were pretty poppy.
00:01:58.480 But such a great group.
00:02:02.180 And, you know, they were signed to Stiff Records for, I think, a summer.
00:02:06.020 But they deserve to be huge, like so many Canadian bands.
00:02:11.200 They deserve to be noticed and remembered.
00:02:13.560 I'm going to play four songs by them.
00:02:16.260 These are all singles they basically put out themselves or on Quintessence Records.
00:02:21.480 And just really amazing songwriting.
00:02:26.360 And all Canadian.
00:02:27.600 So, you know, what do you want me to do?
00:02:29.280 Somebody's mom, out of luck.
00:02:31.020 The marching song, I'm going to play those for you.
00:02:33.200 And I think you will be convinced, as I am, how important that group was.
00:02:39.100 Also important this week, something a lot of us were talking about, was this photograph.
00:02:44.740 And it was a photograph of six young people in keffias.
00:02:48.040 And some had their faces covered.
00:02:49.800 And they were sitting outside.
00:02:50.940 Some were reading quotations from Chairman Mao.
00:02:54.940 And it was on a poster, this photo,
00:02:57.020 circulated by the McGill University chapter of the Solidarity for Palestinian Human Rights, SPHR.
00:03:05.840 Okay?
00:03:07.040 That's a club at McGill University.
00:03:09.700 And the poster said,
00:03:11.240 Summer Youth Program, launching June the 17th, 2024.
00:03:16.120 One was holding a machine gun.
00:03:20.680 Another had a rifle.
00:03:22.720 And the poster is still on the Instagram account of SPHR McGill.
00:03:27.620 And when it appeared a few days ago, caused a firestorm.
00:03:31.900 Headlines around the world, Jerusalem Post called it Camp Intifada.
00:03:35.820 The Guardian in Britain said that the poster featured mass guerrillas.
00:03:39.860 And a federal cabinet minister, very close to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau,
00:03:43.360 who himself is a McGill alumni, issued a statement condemning the poster.
00:03:48.620 Enough is enough.
00:03:49.660 This is hate speech and an incitement to hate, pure and simple.
00:03:54.320 Said Immigration Minister Mark Miller.
00:03:58.320 He said this needs to end.
00:04:00.140 And it does.
00:04:02.320 But lots of questions arose.
00:04:04.140 Like, who is SPHR?
00:04:06.400 The group that's promoting the summer camp.
00:04:08.360 What is the camp's program?
00:04:10.300 Who are the people in the photo?
00:04:12.720 Is it legal to advertise a camp like that?
00:04:16.020 Like, what, if anything, are the authorities doing about it?
00:04:18.180 First off, who is SPHR?
00:04:21.000 So it's a club, recognized by the Student Union at McGill.
00:04:24.640 It was founded more than two decades ago.
00:04:27.020 And is supported by the Student Society of McGill University.
00:04:31.740 In the past, via funds, it got from people's tuition, students' tuition.
00:04:37.940 And the Student Union describes SPHR on their website as a student-led club that champions the Palestinian liberation struggle,
00:04:47.260 settler colonialism, apartheid genocide based on the principles of anti-colonial solidarity, blah, blah, blah.
00:04:53.600 Kind of goes on like that.
00:04:55.420 But SPHR McGill is actually quite a bit more than that.
00:05:00.200 And there's SPHR clubs, by the way, at several Canadian universities.
00:05:05.200 Concordia, Western, Lethbridge, Calgary, McMaster, Queens, Ottawa.
00:05:12.460 None of them are what they claim to be.
00:05:13.900 Because the SPHRs, they're really just a front for another more openly extremist group,
00:05:21.220 which is Students for Justice in Palestine.
00:05:25.040 SJP.
00:05:26.100 Students for Justice in Palestine.
00:05:29.280 SJP is one of the most powerful anti-Israel and anti-Semitic groups in the world.
00:05:35.940 It's got chapters at universities and colleges across Canada, the U.S., and overseas.
00:05:40.340 It was founded at Berkeley in 2001, and it has been linked to support for extremism and terrorism from the start.
00:05:49.780 Like since the October 7th massacre by Hamas in Israel, SJP's leadership and membership have become more and more open in their support for Hamas,
00:06:00.620 for which SJP provides public relations in North America.
00:06:06.000 That's what governments in the United States have said.
00:06:08.060 So, SJP is the public relations arm of Hamas in North America.
00:06:14.340 In Canada, SJP, SPHR, have applauded the atrocities of October 7th.
00:06:21.080 Like on the day after the 7th, they wrote,
00:06:24.380 Last night, the resistance in Gaza led a heroic attack against the occupation and has taken over 30 hostages.
00:06:32.080 Their march toward liberation is monumental as their rockets.
00:06:35.980 The resistance will free the prisoners who have been facing a fascist attack by the occupation
00:06:41.500 and liberate our land from the fangs of the enemy.
00:06:45.660 The resistance has set a new precedent for the Palestinian struggle.
00:06:49.080 Our right to resist the occupation, defend our land, and free our prisoners are the utmost priorities.
00:06:54.960 We call on the people of Montreal to celebrate the resistance success.
00:07:01.380 Celebrate Hamas.
00:07:02.460 Now, McGill's provost condemned the club when they said that.
00:07:09.620 And later on, just this week, the president of McGill condemned the summer camp that they're now doing,
00:07:15.900 calling it extremely alarming.
00:07:18.120 And he has grave concerns.
00:07:20.440 But despite all of that, the SJP chapter that calls itself SPHR,
00:07:25.460 it remains a recognized and supported club at McGill.
00:07:30.800 Okay, so that's who they are.
00:07:32.500 What's this camp?
00:07:34.340 In their explanation of it, it was packed with spelling errors.
00:07:39.260 SJP SPHR wrote,
00:07:41.520 We pledge to educate the youth of Montreal and redefine McGill's elite institutional legacy
00:07:46.760 by transforming, they misspelled all three of those words,
00:07:50.760 its space into one of revolutionary education.
00:07:53.740 The daily schedule will include physical activity, Arabic language instruction,
00:07:58.940 cultural crafts, political discussions, historical and revolutionary lessons.
00:08:03.840 The first week was going to focus on the history of the Palestinian resistance,
00:08:08.320 then the Nakba, Nakba being the Arabic word for catastrophe,
00:08:13.180 and what Hamas says is the natural extension of the Palestinian people's right and resistance.
00:08:19.280 Week three was going to be on different fronts of the movement.
00:08:22.060 Final week, the media after October 7th.
00:08:25.740 It's worth noting that SPHR, SJP,
00:08:29.780 what they call the slaughter of 1,200 men, women, children and babies on October 7th,
00:08:37.500 heroic.
00:08:38.120 Now, when they did that, the university, McGill, and the student union insisted they remove McGill from their name.
00:08:46.060 Big deal.
00:08:47.040 Because they've allowed it to remain as a recognized club.
00:08:50.560 And they don't disclose, that I could find,
00:08:53.720 how much funding SJP has received from the university and the student union.
00:08:58.960 Okay, so who are the six people on the poster?
00:09:04.180 The photos are of the Fatah faction of the Palestinian Liberation Organization,
00:09:09.400 back when the PLO was considered a terrorist group.
00:09:12.560 The photo was taken in Jordan in 1970,
00:09:14.440 and the group showing interest in Chairman Mao's words are doing that,
00:09:19.660 presumably because the Chinese Communist Party, as now and then, supported the PLO.
00:09:26.100 Asked by the media about the image of the mass gunman,
00:09:29.120 the coordinator, one of the co-coordinators, apologies,
00:09:34.380 of the SJP SPHR chapter,
00:09:37.500 he kind of shrugged and said,
00:09:38.700 it's a space for people to learn.
00:09:39.980 It's an educational space.
00:09:42.280 You know, people should stop focusing on the photo.
00:09:45.220 Okay, two final questions then.
00:09:47.620 Is it legal to advertise a camp where the use of weapons is promoted?
00:09:51.840 And what, if anything, are the authorities doing about it?
00:09:55.020 Those two questions are the easiest to answer.
00:09:57.220 The only place where firearms training is legal in Canada
00:10:01.140 is with accredited Canadian firearm safety courses,
00:10:04.980 which I've taken, by the way,
00:10:06.780 approved by the RCMP.
00:10:08.780 Since 1977, no one, other than the police and the military,
00:10:12.160 is allowed to possess automatic weapons.
00:10:14.680 Full stop.
00:10:16.380 Sentences for those convicted of possessing a machine gun,
00:10:20.060 like the one in the camp photo,
00:10:21.700 you can get up to 10 years in prison for that.
00:10:23.680 Finally, what are the authorities doing
00:10:27.400 about the SPHR SJP summer camp
00:10:31.520 with its willful promotion of hateful words and images?
00:10:36.380 Nothing.
00:10:37.940 Nothing at all.
00:10:39.740 Camp started this week.
00:10:41.360 You walked out, took your chance
00:10:55.400 You turned your back on a romance
00:10:58.300 You said you found somebody new
00:11:01.120 You said the change would do you good
00:11:04.060 But then the bubble burst your dreamin'
00:11:07.820 Turned into a non-man screamin'
00:11:10.860 You pushed you till you nearly cracked
00:11:12.820 But now you say you want me back
00:11:16.260 But baby, baby, what do you want me to do?
00:11:19.900 What do you want me to do?
00:11:21.280 Say that I need you more, too
00:11:22.980 Is that what we love us to do?
00:11:26.900 Or only what you used to be born for?
00:11:29.060 You never even gave me a thought
00:11:33.320 You figured that I'd be alright
00:11:36.180 I never had a chance to persuade you
00:11:39.480 You never let me put up a fight
00:11:42.040 Oh, well, you wanted that for so bad
00:11:44.940 Until you found out that you've been had
00:11:47.800 You came calling to me on your knees
00:11:50.840 And you were asking me to love you, please
00:11:53.440 But baby, baby, what do you want me to do?
00:11:58.440 Say that I need you more, too
00:12:01.440 Is that what we love us to do?
00:12:04.440 Or only what you used to be born for?
00:12:07.440 Or only what you used to be born for?
00:12:20.440 Oh, baby, baby, what do you want me to do?
00:12:23.440 Do you want me to do?
00:12:24.440 Say that I need you more, too
00:12:26.440 Is that what we love us to do?
00:12:29.440 Or only what you used to be born for?
00:12:32.440 So what do you want me to do?
00:12:39.440 What do you want me to do?
00:12:55.440 and we're back and we're back finally um after a break he was camping and didn't have a podcast
00:13:11.100 last week and a bunch of other stuff back with our friend and colleague and our muse our soothsayer
00:13:18.320 or prognosticator brian lily um brian there's so much stuff going on and has been going on
00:13:25.880 i don't even know where to start that's how i begin most of my days
00:13:31.040 yeah but you started my day i think yesterday the day before you brought to my attention and tens and
00:13:39.000 tens of thousands of other people because so many people follow you online marco mendocino liberal
00:13:45.600 mp that you and i have been really critical of in the past particularly when he was cabinet minister
00:13:52.940 got spat on and you drew it to my attention a lot of other people's attention is this a legitimate
00:14:00.040 form of protest is this something that's okay to do now hell no hell no and i you know i said that and
00:14:07.400 and look very critical marco mendocino um in general i i think marco's a smart guy who had a bad run as a
00:14:16.820 cabinet minister um but you know even when i disagree with them here here's my view most people are in
00:14:24.680 politics for the right reasons whether you agree with them or not we always have to treat each other
00:14:30.740 as if we are fellow humans uh fellow citizens not enemies i don't like this move to say that if
00:14:39.200 they're belong to a political party that i don't like that they're my enemy and that seems to be the
00:14:45.760 view that a lot of people go around with and so this guy who i i don't know who he is but the bit of the
00:14:54.540 video that i watched um i think he's struggling with life he was walking along spark street sees
00:15:00.800 mendocino spits on him then the uh one of the uh parliamentary precinct uh police officers comes
00:15:09.220 out and calls him over and tells him you've got to go apologize he did he said he didn't mean to do
00:15:14.660 it obviously if you spit on someone you obviously mean to do it um but you know i just got the sense
00:15:20.820 from watching that bit of video something's not quite right here uh but no you can't go around
00:15:26.700 spitting on people you don't spit on people you don't attack their families you you know disagree
00:15:33.320 on policy debate vigorously don't do that one thing that you also should not do is you know basically
00:15:41.580 supply confidential information to foreign powers if you're a member of parliament the senate passed
00:15:47.540 their foreign interference bill this week i think it awaits royal assent um is this good enough
00:15:54.700 is the problem solved can we say to madam justice hoag hey we don't need to report at the end of
00:16:00.000 december anymore or do we still have a problem we still got a massive problem um what i would like to
00:16:07.160 see and if you had asked me this a few years ago before this evidence came out i would have disagreed
00:16:12.240 with it i'd like to see the parties have to submit nomination races uh to a set of rules much like
00:16:21.000 the the parties do in the united states for their uh their primaries or their caucuses and such
00:16:29.160 i don't think that you should if you can't vote in a general election you should not be picking the
00:16:35.100 candidate and right now all of the parties allow people under the age of 18 to vote the the liberals
00:16:44.600 have the loosest of all you don't need to be a canadian citizen you don't need to be a permanent
00:16:50.100 resident you just have to be 14 and normally live in the ridings i think is the the wording uh which is
00:16:58.020 how you get 14 year old uh high school kids being bussed in to help nominate um a candidate and they're
00:17:07.300 not even canadian they're international foreign students being told how to vote by a conflict
00:17:12.340 so let's talk about a specific example of exactly what you're talking about and dong uh liberal mp
00:17:21.820 um has been talked about and focused on for many months now particularly because a conversation he
00:17:32.000 had with the chinese consulate about the two michaels when the two michaels were being illegally
00:17:36.300 imprisoned in china um what happened with his nomination meeting i think that's a good example of
00:17:43.860 what you're talking about well it um according to the evidence we've seen just that you know it all
00:17:50.300 followed liberal party rules but there were students from a local high school and college who were from
00:18:00.300 china who were bussed in how do we end up picking mps or who the candidate will be based on the whims of
00:18:12.140 14 15 16 17 year old students from china or any other country that's not canada um it
00:18:20.220 uh it's uh it shouldn't be happening in that way and yet for the liberal party those are still the
00:18:25.500 rules they do not intend to change them um i think the conservatives you may have to be a permanent
00:18:32.460 resident and 16 but that's still not right and the ndp is somewhere in between the two um we we need to
00:18:41.820 tighten this up so that you if you can't vote in a general election you don't vote in a nomination race
00:18:47.460 because you know as well as i do that there are plenty of ridings across the country where
00:18:51.420 if you get the nomination you're the mp um and this opens us up wide to foreign interference this has to
00:19:01.920 be changed uh there has there has to be um rules followed i i believe they should be set up by elections
00:19:10.120 canada and rules should be followed a few years ago i would have said no political parties are private
00:19:15.360 organizations we don't need this kind of uh oversight but having seen what's gone on over
00:19:21.540 the last few years having watched the um the the testimony and the evidence at the committee or the
00:19:28.940 commission this has to change i couldn't agree more well then let's end things off by talking to
00:19:34.980 two different votes uh one out in alberta and one in ontario so in my home province naheed nenshi
00:19:43.820 um former mayor of calgary previously called himself purple said he was kind of liberal kind
00:19:51.540 of tory you know friends with danielle smith at the university of calgary has become the leader of
00:19:58.980 the alberta new democratic party with a massive return so i want to hear you talk about that
00:20:04.700 whether that's ever happened before and the second thing is the vote that is taking place
00:20:09.900 in saint paul's um this liberal fortress in the middle of toronto where liberals are looking pretty
00:20:17.580 nervous as you have written in the pages of the toronto sun alberta first what do you think
00:20:22.420 looked like a pretty big win it's a huge win and uh we now know that he was never purple he was always
00:20:30.580 orange um i i i never took nenshi to be kind of liberal kind of tory i took him to be uh that very
00:20:39.420 distinct brand of alberta progressive and um you know it's amazing people who um haven't been to
00:20:47.900 alberta who haven't or maybe they they go for stampede um and you know stampede in alberta is kind
00:20:55.520 of like um the carnival in quebec city or saint john baptiste in quebec it's when people from
00:21:01.760 outside the province go there get drunk and throw up on the streets and they don't learn anything
00:21:07.720 about the province it's so true so true um so if you've just been for stampede and you haven't paid
00:21:13.940 attention to politics there alberta is not this huge bastion of conservatism uh first realized that
00:21:23.320 when the pc party was still in power when it still existed and i'm out there talking to people who
00:21:29.360 tell are telling me that they're lifelong pcers and i'm thinking no you're what you're describing is
00:21:36.640 you're a socialist but the pc party was in power for so long it was it was the brokerage party like
00:21:43.140 if you wanted your power you joined it so alberta has this reputation but i'll also say that their
00:21:49.060 ndp is its own specific uh strain of new democrat to a degree um they still have some of the wackos
00:21:58.900 that that we have in in the eastern ndp or in bc or what have you but you will find guys like like
00:22:05.780 nenshi and uh what would i call it like a responsible new new democrat um and so he has the potential to
00:22:14.860 win daniel smith's going to have to uh uh face a real contender which she did in rachel notley in
00:22:20.660 the last election and was only able to turn it around when she stopped re-litigating the pandemic
00:22:26.100 and talked about real issues for that voters cared about um so she she's gonna have a real contender
00:22:33.940 here uh with nenshi but he also has to adapt to team politics which you know it's very different than
00:22:43.960 being a solo uh person which you essentially are as mayor so they've all got big uh adjustments
00:22:50.280 but i think you're right i'm not sure that any provincial leader has been elected with numbers
00:22:55.340 like that before oh 86 percent crazy just crazy i can't remember anything like that 62 000 votes
00:23:02.540 yeah like it wasn't he didn't eke out a win it was like it was a legitimate landslide so well i think
00:23:10.640 leslie church in saint paul's i don't think anybody expects including leslie who i've known for a long
00:23:16.640 time full disclosure is expecting a landslide i think she's going to win but i don't think she's
00:23:22.740 going to win by a lot what do you think well i've been debating liberals who live in the riding
00:23:28.100 and will be voting for her about whether she's going to win and i think that she will and they think
00:23:35.060 i don't think it's happening um i've found myself in a really odd position over the last couple of
00:23:42.880 weeks um so you know i i'm sure that there are people in church's campaign office uh which by the
00:23:52.420 way they're across the street from each other they're both on young street uh just south to saint
00:23:56.320 claire they are across the aisle from each other you might say um and uh i'm sure there's people in
00:24:04.160 our campaign office who are confident uh but there's a lot of nervous liberals they've brought
00:24:08.900 in as many ministers as they can if the pm was here it was way at the beginning i i'm trying to
00:24:16.060 stretch and remember if he's been here he normally goes to every by-election uh and they've uh they've
00:24:22.880 shuttled in young staffers from ottawa to go door knocking uh a lot of them they're very nervous about
00:24:29.700 this i don't know don stewart um if if he wins it will be um you know a lot of hard work by him
00:24:40.040 interesting campaign tactic he uh mailed out uh letters obviously to people they had canvassed
00:24:47.540 somebody shared this with me it looks like a so on on the outside of the envelope it's handwritten
00:24:53.320 and and who gets mail handwritten anymore on the outside with your name and address on it
00:24:59.080 and then it looks like it's a handwritten postcard note on the inside it's obviously just a very well
00:25:05.720 done print job so he's got some interesting campaign tactics but if he wins it's because voters are
00:25:11.600 rejecting trudeau and the liberals more than they're embracing him i was um i'm in the riding regularly but
00:25:19.040 i spent a bunch of time there this past week uh talking to people areas where the liberals are
00:25:24.820 normally doing really really well like winchwood not as not as many signs uh areas like forest hill
00:25:32.280 which is normally i mean you tell me isn't that normally reliably red it's ground zero red yeah well
00:25:40.640 if the election were held in forest hill alone which is where the jewish community in the riding is
00:25:47.020 concentrated not exclusive but concentrated um if it was held in forest hill the conservatives would
00:25:54.080 win in a landslide uh i i saw somebody say oh well it's a wealthy area so it normally votes conservative
00:26:00.880 no it doesn't it votes liberal in forest hill and they are about to flip to conservatives so
00:26:08.480 it it's touch and go i'm hedging my bets here because i don't know if if the jewish vote comes out
00:26:16.540 massively for the conservatives if professionals who are going to be whack we're talking doctors
00:26:22.880 lawyers anybody that owns a small business and there's a lot of people in the riding like that
00:26:27.260 those people being upset at the small gain our capital gains tax changes if they come out on mass to vote
00:26:34.420 church is going to be in trouble well my prediction just to conclude our discussion i believe the tories are
00:26:41.260 going to win not because the panicked liberals are shipping in staffers from ottawa to help out
00:26:47.300 leslie church not because the liberal brand is strong they're going to win because don stewart the
00:26:53.140 tory candidate allowed pictures to be taken of him wearing shorts i do not believe a candidate should
00:26:59.240 ever wear shorts in public you were freaked out by that you mean you said the conservatives are going
00:27:04.860 to win you mean the liberals are going to win yeah liberals are going to win but i think the
00:27:08.220 tories are going to lose because he wore shorts i think that's the reason yeah well we'll we'll find
00:27:13.700 out i one of my readers did say he's looking forward to uh two great wins for canada on monday
00:27:19.940 edmonton uh winning the stanley cup and don stewart winning uh toronto saint paul's um
00:27:26.980 we'll see we'll see well go oilers go oilers and i'm a calgarian i can't believe i'm saying that
00:27:33.420 go oilers brian lilly thank you for your wisdom and uh well i guess you and i'll be sending some
00:27:39.780 text messages and phone calls back and forth tomorrow night thank you absolutely
00:27:43.640 oh please don't look at me i've seen all that i want to see you take your cigarettes a lot of 40
00:27:53.740 year old that's all out of house while i live with a terminal solution your face is like a
00:27:57.940 video on september's television and you're somebody's mama
00:28:01.280 even if you're just a native you says bum and you're married somebody's dad
00:28:06.240 if i've been your children i'll show what i'll be mad
00:28:09.760 and now you say your husband's free to run over the secretary while you say home and kill your
00:28:18.180 rooms with savages and other pills and you're somebody's mama
00:28:21.240 even if you're just a native you says bum and you're married somebody's dad
00:28:26.240 if i've been your children i'll show what i'll be mad
00:28:29.680 hey you're somebody's mama oh even if you're just a native you says bum and you're married somebody's dad
00:28:59.660 if i've been your children i'll show what i'll be mad
00:29:03.100 and you're somebody's you're somebody's
00:29:05.900 this is cfra live sunday political panel
00:29:23.600 and it is time maybe cloudy sunday morning is uh
00:29:29.740 apt for the state of our politics right now but joining us on the phone this morning tasha
00:29:33.520 keratin she is a political communist for the national post a writer for g0 media and an author
00:29:37.260 as well tasha thanks for joining us good morning good good morning andrew
00:29:41.220 warren can tell us strategist and post media columnist you can read his latest in the toronto
00:29:44.460 sun good morning warren go oilers oh my god we were kind of thinking about it last weekend
00:29:51.280 right it is incredible to see that monday night we have a game seven
00:29:54.440 carl bellagia also here he is the president at traction strategies uh carl good morning
00:29:59.380 morning guys uh well first of all i want to start with this one just because this kind of turned
00:30:03.280 into a more of a local news story here in ottawa uh over the course of friday and saturday but we saw
00:30:07.760 you know video release marco menducino the minister for the liberals of course uh getting spit on
00:30:12.820 uh i was kind of saying yesterday i kind of thought it was incredible just his his tact in dealing
00:30:17.500 with this whatever your political stripe to shake the guy's hand who spit in your face
00:30:21.440 but is this kind of warren is this just the state of the politics we're in right now is this par for
00:30:25.840 the course uh yeah it is something that sadly is happening more and more not just you know spitting
00:30:34.500 but assaults and threats and and so on but just but nobody should be under any illusion what was done
00:30:42.320 to marco mendoncino is a criminal offense under section 265 for the criminal code of canada
00:30:48.720 spitting on someone it may not seem as serious as a punch you know or a kick but it's considered
00:30:55.380 assault and it's been consistently considered assault for many many years so what we saw on camera
00:31:02.480 was a criminal offense and so he came back out with the member of the parliamentary protective
00:31:09.480 service a police officer the police officer was kind of weird said you know you should be nicer or
00:31:15.920 something but the police officer should have been doing is saying uh you know i'm detaining you for
00:31:21.380 the purpose of questioning put him in handcuffs or whatever and take them away and then this guy
00:31:26.440 extends his hand and mendoncino takes it i thought that was a mistake for mendoncino to do that
00:31:31.380 legally at least but anyway it is sad it's terrible it's something that should not be happening in our
00:31:38.700 politics and not just because it's a criminal offense because it's disgusting and you know
00:31:44.740 people don't get into public life to be treated that way they don't deserve to be treated that way
00:31:49.300 well you raise an interesting port war and just a kind of a follow on that you know should there
00:31:53.340 be in charges here just to send a message that this is wrong there has to be you know the principle
00:31:58.600 of criminal law one of the key principles of criminal law uh is deterrence you know this has been
00:32:04.420 widely publicized people are looking at it and going oh i guess you know i can spit on a member
00:32:09.840 of parliament and there'll be a handshake and that kind of will settle it no that's not what the law
00:32:15.600 is that's not what the jurisprudence says it's a criminal offense this individual should be charged
00:32:20.720 tasha just your thoughts on this on this whole situation as as i mentioned it kind of i don't know
00:32:25.640 it's it could have been worse in many senses but is this kind of the state of some toxic politics
00:32:31.060 we've got going on right now well my reaction to the same is warrants why didn't this guy get
00:32:35.560 arrested especially since there was an officer with mendigino and i agree and i think this is
00:32:42.140 we live in an increasingly consequence free society people act out in all sorts of ways towards public
00:32:47.980 officials in particular but not only but you know the government says we're not going to toughen the
00:32:54.200 laws because we have them to protect um or to charge people if they do commit crimes whether
00:32:59.940 vandalism at people's offices or harassment or this kind of thing which is an assault absolutely
00:33:05.200 i mean you know you look in the days of covid uh or even other things you spit on someone you can
00:33:11.340 make them sick right it's not it's not a benign thing and it's not acceptable so the problem is
00:33:16.920 laws aren't being enforced no way there's no there's no consequences people aren't going to jail
00:33:21.420 they're not being made examples of so they think oh yeah okay anything goes maybe i'll maybe next time
00:33:26.060 i'll get invited in for coffee instead of a handshake i mean it's ridiculous utterly ridiculous
00:33:30.540 and disgusting and you know why it deters people from running for public office and that's one of
00:33:36.320 the biggest problems too is that people will will say it's not worth the trouble and they won't engage
00:33:41.060 and carl kind of on the larger issue as tasha's kind of raised as well is this is this enabling
00:33:45.640 poor behavior here you know perhaps the true to liberals didn't want a whole you know kerfuffle here
00:33:50.240 with this this um uh with this situation but it seems like it's it's not played out uh exactly
00:33:55.860 how it should when it comes to the law well absolutely if you allow people to do bad things
00:34:01.720 they'll do bad things and uh you know we saw it during the convoy right i was like oh we're we're
00:34:08.120 gonna help them get the fuel to heat their trucks and we're gonna help them do this and because we
00:34:13.220 want to de-escalate and we've seen this again and again and again and again uh and i understand the
00:34:18.200 principle of de-escalation you don't want to make things worse but at the same time um it allows
00:34:22.900 people to do things that they shouldn't be doing because they think it's okay uh they think it's
00:34:27.960 it's fine if you're frustrated you you should be able to spit on a politician i mean it's crazy that
00:34:34.080 we're there now uh and and it speaks volumes to you know the the collective mental state we're in
00:34:41.580 uh where where these kind of uh of behavior uh are not uh punished immediately and and the reaction
00:34:50.360 of the uh the the officer from the protective uh service uh was was quite interesting now at the
00:34:59.180 same time uh you know he got to give credit to marco medicino for his reaction he kept his cool and
00:35:05.860 he did not retaliate himself which would have created a bigger problem for him uh but i'm sure
00:35:12.520 he was also surprised to see how it happened and then you know shook his hand which is also very
00:35:18.160 strange um uh at the same time uh i think i think we we have to be a little more forceful when it comes
00:35:26.320 to these actions i think you need to uh you know charge this individual and and and put them in front of
00:35:33.220 a judge to see what what happens because if you don't um well yes tasha said anything goes well
00:35:41.120 and carl we've talked about kind of toxic politics in quebec as well under different kind of scenarios
00:35:45.720 municipally as well are we just with with incidents like this are we uh are you concerned that we're
00:35:52.940 we're going to get a bigger one one is that of uh one is that is of more concern than you know
00:35:58.120 perhaps there's some some some drive-by spitting well i mean and we've seen it uh we've seen things
00:36:04.300 that's what not are worse and we see people who believe that they can be uh you know behind uh
00:36:09.920 their their the anonymity that uh is is given to them by the fact that they're in a pajama in their
00:36:16.280 basement you know send debt threats and what have you to to politicians and then people you know get
00:36:22.100 frustrated and frustrated and then you know they will act on it like we've seen it it's happened
00:36:27.880 here in canada it will happen again uh so that's why you cannot have any tolerance for that kind of
00:36:33.120 action because uh it it creates this this spiral of violence and and we're seeing it uh unfold on the
00:36:42.880 horizon we saw it in the states where people thought well it's fine we'll go to the capital and
00:36:48.740 you know we'll we'll assault police officers and we'll try to find democrats to hang them because
00:36:56.320 they're traitors and that's the that's the state of mind that people have and so don't believe it
00:37:02.260 cannot happen here it will happen here uh if we let it go yeah it just reminds me of cory hurran
00:37:08.460 showing up to the prime minister's residence with a with a bunch of guns to talk so i guess we have
00:37:13.800 kind of seen it it's just kind of lucky that it hasn't had a different outcome uh what it is
00:37:18.720 switch gears talk about another topic this week because obviously this is going to be a big one
00:37:21.800 so we've seen the house rise here uh obviously for the summer but the big one tomorrow we've got a
00:37:26.900 a by-election coming up in toronto saint paul so warren i'll start with you you know if you're the
00:37:31.840 trudeau liberals right now do you have a plan for for where you're heading from now or are you waiting
00:37:36.360 to see what happens in this by-election tomorrow well my understanding is they're uh they are in trouble
00:37:42.540 uh they're actually shipping dozens of political staff from ottawa down to saint paul's that's not
00:37:49.860 something historically you've ever needed to do there saint paul's was like a fortress you know
00:37:55.120 for generations i think the last tory to be elected there was barbara mcdougall so that gives you an idea
00:38:00.720 how long ago and how secure a seat it has been so they are worried i think the announcement that
00:38:07.600 dominic leblanc made about making the iranian revolutionary guard finally making it a terrorist
00:38:16.080 criminal organization canada was because they're spooked about saint paul's and they're worried
00:38:21.740 about losing that 15 of the riding who are jewish um but that all said i still think they're going to
00:38:28.900 win um not by a lot it's you know it's going to be close but i think leslie church is going to win
00:38:34.780 the tories had a good candidate but you know at the end of the day what do the tories want
00:38:39.980 they want justin trudeau to stick around i think they know if they lose saint the liberals lose saint
00:38:47.560 paul's there'll be an enormous pressure on trudeau to go that's the last thing the tories want so that
00:38:52.580 they're probably kind of shrugging about the prospect of of losing there as long as they keep
00:38:58.560 it close you know put up a good showing that sends a message but that keeps around their principal
00:39:03.360 asset which is justin trudeau it'll be very fascinating to watch the machinations there uh
00:39:09.240 particularly with uh with as you say some staff headed there for tomorrow as well uh tasha if
00:39:14.460 you're the the liberals right now you're watching toronto saint paul tomorrow or you're watching
00:39:18.520 this uh by-election happening tomorrow do you change course depending on this or are you do you
00:39:23.000 stay entrenched in what you're doing right now even though you're down 20 points in the polls
00:39:26.080 well you know the famous thing is keep doing the same thing over and over again you'll end up with
00:39:31.900 the same outcome um so if you do the stupid thing over and over you'll end up with the same outcome
00:39:35.960 and the outcome for them right now is that they are 20 points down uh will they be 20 points down in a
00:39:41.680 year and change um maybe or maybe not but that i think depends on things that they won't control
00:39:50.240 which is the economy uh interest rates um you know uh the global geopolitical situation which impacts
00:39:57.260 the economy right which is one of the reasons we have supply chain issues and uh we have persistent
00:40:02.380 problems with regard to uh certain industries why we're also throwing tons of money at evs like
00:40:09.000 the government is being put in a position where it's had to react to external forces
00:40:12.740 and unfortunately because they overspent on all sorts of other things to keep themselves in power
00:40:17.540 thank you ndp there's no money there for this stuff so it's basically they're digging a bigger
00:40:22.560 a bigger deficit hole i mean our nato commitment for example uh you know canada was punching below
00:40:27.420 its weight on that for years under previous governments too but now we can't afford to but
00:40:33.180 guess what um you know we've got dental care and pharma care and all sorts of other bells and
00:40:38.580 whistles you know massive commitments to housing there's no money where's the money it's going to
00:40:43.040 come from taxpayers or debt like it's so yeah the liberals are really i think they're stuck this
00:40:48.160 by-election i agree with warren i think um at the end of the day the liberals will probably eke out
00:40:52.500 a victory i hate to say that i know the candidate personally who's running there he's a great guy
00:40:56.740 uh you know and uh i think that he would make a great mp um but i think that at the end of the day
00:41:03.020 yeah the liberals want to win and the conservatives also in a weird way they don't want to upset the
00:41:08.420 apple cart they want to still be the underdog they want to have justin truder to kick around and
00:41:12.000 if he lost this by-election if a liberal lost this by-election then he really seriously i think
00:41:16.380 would be told to or or if there'd be a lot of pressure for him to quit carl do you see a
00:41:21.040 threshold here you know if if the liberals you know barely eke out a win or if the conservatives
00:41:25.740 you know win this uh by-election do you do you think the future for justin trudeau as party leader
00:41:30.900 is in trouble or is it all just more noise well i mean if the conservative win the seat uh the wind of
00:41:37.900 the winds of panic will will send even strongly uh stronger in in ottawa for sure but but if the
00:41:44.180 liberals win it doesn't matter right like a win is a win and you know we will extrapolate and
00:41:49.360 the pundits will will you know and analyze this to death and say this and that but the win is a win
00:41:55.640 and at the end of the day if the church is the mp on tuesday uh the liberals have have pulled it off
00:42:01.160 and they are trying to pull it off they can't afford to lose this seat but central certainly cannot
00:42:06.820 afford it and so it's interesting to see how the tories are playing itself because of course locally
00:42:11.060 they want to win right but i didn't see pierre quality of's rv there maybe he went over the
00:42:16.200 weekend i missed it but i you know he's been touring elsewhere and that's telling um and and so
00:42:22.220 we'll see how it unfolds what's also interesting in that the nbp uh seems to be running a distant
00:42:27.780 third and not making any gains at the expense of the liberals which you know if you're a democrat
00:42:32.960 strategist you're hoping that the liberal collapse will come to you there's no such thing happening
00:42:38.220 the red voters that are abandoning ship are going to the blue ship and uh and for the nbp if it's
00:42:45.340 happening also in toronto uh it also means that there's trouble ahead and it seems like the liberals
00:42:51.320 can kind of pick up on an anti-conservative vote as well it's it's very fascinating to watch uh
00:42:55.380 wanted to try to sneak in a couple of more topics here uh foreign interference as we know uh once again
00:43:00.060 in the forefront this week uh in the news we got this uh senate passing the foreign interference bill
00:43:05.060 we've kind of talked about this before i mentioned so everything's fixed now right uh warren i guess
00:43:10.160 where do we go from here in terms of trying to i don't know make this right once again
00:43:13.960 well the parliamentarians have been dragging their feet on it um and um i i actually at this point don't
00:43:21.060 really care what the house of commons or the senate have to say because it's been identified that
00:43:25.360 there's members of parliament um who have been acting as foreign agents for foreign powers so you know i still
00:43:32.900 want to know who those people are so you know what really matters i think at this point is madame
00:43:38.320 justice hoag's inquiry into foreign interference not just china but all of the countries are doing this
00:43:44.720 including russia and iran and so on and she's done her interim report she's got her final report coming
00:43:51.320 on december 31st and that's the one that i think everybody needs to focus on you know the the mps and
00:43:58.160 the senators passing legislation about it after years of being pressed to do so is kind of like
00:44:04.120 the arsonist being asked to join the you know the firefighters it just it's not credible she is
00:44:10.520 credible despite the tory's criticism of her the start of her mandate i want to see what she has to
00:44:16.260 say and i want her to name names yeah and i wanted to follow up with you on that warren because we have
00:44:20.660 been having this discussion right about naming those names and so i thought that was interesting that we
00:44:24.020 did see you know just just an update this week obviously this lawsuit between handong and global
00:44:29.000 news a former liberal mp now sitting on his own in many senses but the idea of so far this lawsuit is
00:44:36.460 going to move forward and you're a lawyer law warrant so you can kind of walk us through the the legal
00:44:41.060 machinations of this but you know so far there's been no documented um uh sources so far in terms of
00:44:47.420 some of the global news uh allegations here so that's what i was kind of worrying about is that a
00:44:51.940 possibility if we started naming names without you know documentation to back it up no i think the
00:44:57.000 decision that was made by the the court here is actually an argument in favor of naming names
00:45:01.760 because if handong was wrongly named you know he can sue and in fact he's suing global news for
00:45:07.480 millions of dollars but i think the judge got it wrong like the way these slap suits work and i won
00:45:13.480 one against maxime bernier who's now in sanibel i guess and he had to pay me 135 000 for getting it wrong
00:45:21.800 there is a public interest in knowing you know what was said by handong in his conversation with
00:45:28.360 chinese consulate he's admitted he did that cesus had a record that they tabled at the inquiry
00:45:33.840 showing that he did that the issue is what exactly was said and the two michaels and handong said well
00:45:41.640 i was just saying that they should release him and the cesus report sort of supports that but sort of
00:45:48.640 doesn't so i think that's what the decision involving global news is really about is what that
00:45:53.400 conversation was really about so his lawsuit goes ahead but it doesn't mean that he's lost his
00:45:59.060 lawsuit his one is lawsuit and um you know again you know if if we're naming names if we get it wrong
00:46:05.640 well then somebody can sue for defamation that's what he's doing it's a very good point in terms of
00:46:10.460 that avenue does remain open for any kind of possible um problems down the road uh when it comes to
00:46:15.820 foreign interference uh tasha obviously we have not come to the to to a fix on this or an agreement
00:46:21.480 on this right now is this just kind of i don't know um watered down when it comes to fixing the
00:46:26.880 issues at play here well i i'm waiting to see what the rcmp does with the nscop report right and do
00:46:35.580 they charge anyone um because again goes back to our earlier point about consequences there's no
00:46:40.600 consequences will the party leaders who should all read this report pier poliev calling to you
00:46:46.760 read the report if there's a if there's a bad apple in your caucus you have to deal with it
00:46:51.520 our party leader is going to take the step and say you're not running again you're not running again
00:46:55.460 um we we don't know that's what i'm waiting to see um yes and justice hoag's report i think she
00:47:01.200 should also um get the unredacted version of nscop it should be part of what she she sees
00:47:06.480 but at the end of the day it's up to lawmakers or rather those who enforce the law to charge people
00:47:11.680 who violate it so that has to happen and with regard to hand on you know when i saw the judge's
00:47:17.160 decision i looked up the original news report there were two sources that were cited so
00:47:23.040 journalistically global was in a position where it had two sources that they need um to actually go
00:47:29.580 forward with a story both said that he suggested allegedly suggested that the two michaels should be
00:47:35.800 if they were released the conservatives would benefit was there a written transcript of this
00:47:41.180 was this something that was just said to the reporter well i don't know but the point is that
00:47:46.960 the journalist had a basis to go forward he had a reasonable belief so i think the fact it's going
00:47:52.540 to go to a court is really interesting uh will those sources testify i don't know they're national
00:47:57.020 security sources they have to keep themselves anonymous they probably won't but to warren's point
00:48:01.680 you know it'll it'll get its hearing and that is what the law is for yeah and we'll get we'll get a
00:48:06.500 lot more information out of that court process as well with with any luck but uh carl just a last
00:48:11.200 point to you on this foreign interference file we've seen you know the senate put through some
00:48:14.620 legislation here just you know six or seven short weeks it's been you know a very short amount of
00:48:19.140 time here is this enough to kind of fix the big issues that we've been talking about for for
00:48:22.760 several months now no because uh you know treason is already in the books uh so the issue is not
00:48:31.720 that the decision is wrong they're doing that they're making this happen because they're trying
00:48:35.660 to have a response to uh something that they've not been able to manage politically and and there's
00:48:41.320 a reason why the liberals were brought uh kicking and screaming towards a public inquiry is because
00:48:48.160 they knew they were they were opening a pandora's box and uh anyone who's work on parliament hill
00:48:53.560 knows that you know the diplomatic circuit uh it's part of the game and that mps and political staffers
00:48:59.660 talk to diplomats and they go to events and they go to the nice receptions and they go to
00:49:04.760 all kinds of things where diplomats uh are are present and and so where do you cross the line and
00:49:12.520 and and this is where it gets interesting because uh you know uh these countries uh have people that
00:49:19.960 are trying to influence the government of scott's policy they're lobbying uh in a way uh the way a
00:49:25.200 corporation would uh but but sometimes uh clearly uh according to the reports we've heard
00:49:32.320 mps are uh crossing the line senators are crossing the line by by doing things that go way beyond
00:49:40.480 the simple exchange of information point of views and and trying to influence each other they're
00:49:45.060 they're getting money uh they're getting lists of voters uh things like that is what we've heard
00:49:52.260 and and and this is where uh i think the government needs to find a way to charge and prosecute these
00:49:59.720 individuals if they've crossed that line the fact that they're being protected the fact that they're
00:50:04.280 being uh hidden is not good doesn't serve the public uh interest and uh and uh you know saying
00:50:11.780 that the that ceases uh has done this but that the rcmp needs to do this now i don't think it's good
00:50:18.000 enough because these names are there and now we have party leaders i've seen them and they still
00:50:23.480 don't say they still won't reveal and i i agree that you cannot go into some kind of megaturism
00:50:28.220 kind of witch hunt but at the same time uh parliament is supreme parliament can't have its
00:50:33.820 own process to deal with this and they're refusing to do it for political reasons we'll leave it there
00:50:39.080 carl belanger tasha keratin and warren katella thank you so much for your time on this sunday i
00:50:43.060 appreciate it have a great day thank you thank you go oilers coming up monday night i that's warren
00:50:49.740 katella strategist and post media columnist you can read his latest in the toronto sign carl belanger
00:50:53.820 is the president at traction strategies tasha keratin political columnist for the national
00:50:57.360 post and author writer for g0 media
00:50:59.180 i never ever wanted to get too close to you i didn't want to fall in love
00:51:06.140 they told me all the stories that the boys and they're going and they died when you gave them
00:51:10.700 a shove but i felt for you one and i'm feeling funny like maybe i'm an extra line
00:51:16.600 i guess i'm just another guy out of luck
00:51:20.420 i guess this time i'm just running out of luck
00:51:25.700 now i know you never really love me anyway
00:51:27.520 cause you all told me that we were weird again that you were happy for the very first time
00:51:32.340 i thought you'd be a blue eyes and i figured that you made it and that everybody else was lying
00:51:37.300 and now you come and tell me that you really like me and you hope that we can still be friends
00:51:42.340 i guess i'm just another guy out of luck
00:51:45.340 i guess this time i guess this time i guess this time i'm just running out of luck
00:51:51.160 now i know you never really love me anyway
00:51:56.160 but who cares i learned from it just the same
00:52:01.160 and it's true
00:52:02.980 you know something better me
00:52:05.980 cause i'm sure i'll never fuck your kind again
00:52:11.980 now i know you never really love me anyway
00:52:25.800 now i know you never really love me anyway
00:52:39.620 but who cares i learned from it just the same
00:52:44.020 and it's true
00:52:46.720 you're cheating yourself to better me
00:52:49.460 cause i'm sure i'll never fuck your kind again
00:52:54.020 i never ever wanted to get too close to you
00:52:58.100 i didn't want to follow the lava
00:52:59.660 they tell me all the stories of the boys and the glory
00:53:02.720 did it happen when you're getting to shove
00:53:04.460 but i fell for your money and i feel as funny
00:53:07.460 like maybe i'm the next in line
00:53:09.460 i guess i'm just another guy out of luck
00:53:13.020 i guess i'm just another guy out of luck
00:53:17.920 i guess i'm just another guy out of luck
00:53:22.780 i guess this time i'm just running out of luck
00:53:27.640 so an interesting poster for summer camp
00:53:31.540 over the last weekend
00:53:34.020 not a summer camp i'd send my kid to
00:53:37.540 but certainly maybe CSIS would like to peek into this summer camp
00:53:41.100 and if you're wondering who is behind these so-called grassroot encampments
00:53:46.280 maybe you'll want to be interested to know
00:53:49.820 who's behind these new summer camps right
00:53:51.460 a revolutionary youth summer program on campus
00:53:56.000 this is what's being advertised by a group called
00:53:58.680 Solidary for Palestine or Palestinian Human Rights
00:54:01.540 and it's advertising the summer program
00:54:04.240 this camp that starts next week on the McGill campus
00:54:07.740 not to be left out
00:54:09.820 there are similar programs being held
00:54:11.880 as i saw at other campuses
00:54:13.580 but the photo used
00:54:14.700 originally taken in the 70s
00:54:17.220 and you see on this one camp poster
00:54:19.160 the fighters of the Palestine Liberation Organization
00:54:22.900 reading copies of quotations from Chairman Mao
00:54:25.940 in Jordan
00:54:27.720 the fighters all have assault rifles
00:54:30.860 you've got another one that's
00:54:33.340 you know showing a cafe-clad terrorists
00:54:36.560 all reading books
00:54:37.480 the daily schedule they tell us will include
00:54:39.800 physical activities
00:54:41.400 Arabic language instruction
00:54:43.500 cultural crafts
00:54:44.980 political discussions
00:54:46.180 historical and revolutionary lessons
00:54:49.900 yeah so then why do you talk about
00:54:53.500 all these like semi-automatic machine guns and stuff
00:54:57.040 it's honestly it's crazy
00:54:58.400 it looks like a page right out of a terror organization
00:55:01.840 so why the hell is it being advertised
00:55:04.380 on school campuses
00:55:06.020 Warren Kinsella
00:55:07.100 president of Daisy Group
00:55:08.320 former political strategist
00:55:09.640 for Mr. Jean Chrétien
00:55:11.320 and someone who has
00:55:12.040 certainly followed issues of anti-Semitism
00:55:14.440 covering it from the far right
00:55:15.660 now busy busy covering it from the far left
00:55:17.600 good to have you sir
00:55:18.360 how you doing thanks for having me on
00:55:20.680 well I saw this on Friday
00:55:22.720 and my like I would I would say something
00:55:25.180 nothing surprises me these days
00:55:26.800 but I saw the the posters for these
00:55:29.840 and I wouldn't know how CSIS is not looking into this
00:55:32.560 but but your shock was the same
00:55:34.260 yeah absolutely
00:55:36.140 and it's supposed to have started today
00:55:37.760 and the group behind it as you pointed out
00:55:40.540 is Solidarity for Palestinian Human Rights
00:55:43.400 they've existed Alex at McGill
00:55:45.920 for over 20 years
00:55:47.500 they receive
00:55:48.320 they are a recognized club
00:55:50.340 at McGill
00:55:51.260 and they receive money
00:55:52.780 from the students union
00:55:54.080 at McGill
00:55:54.940 and they've been involved
00:55:56.960 in extremism
00:55:57.840 for many many years
00:55:59.460 but this one has created
00:56:01.080 headlines around the world
00:56:02.480 and because
00:56:04.040 the people in that picture
00:56:05.760 the poster advertising
00:56:07.220 this so-called camp
00:56:08.380 that started today
00:56:09.560 are holding machine guns
00:56:11.540 and rifles
00:56:12.140 and when they were asked about it
00:56:15.820 they kind of shrunk
00:56:17.240 and they said
00:56:17.780 well you know
00:56:18.480 people are focusing on the photo too much
00:56:20.700 but this
00:56:21.680 this is gone
00:56:23.000 way too far
00:56:24.460 there have been
00:56:24.900 McGill has had
00:56:26.080 the illegal occupation camp
00:56:28.080 there longer than
00:56:29.680 any other university
00:56:31.080 and I think it's time
00:56:32.420 that we dig into
00:56:33.300 who these organizations are
00:56:35.520 and where they're getting
00:56:36.640 their support from
00:56:37.560 because it's important
00:56:38.580 well it's important
00:56:39.780 it's also there
00:56:40.500 I mean you know
00:56:41.220 follow the dollar
00:56:42.040 and no one seems curious enough
00:56:43.740 other than you
00:56:44.520 and Tristan Hopper's
00:56:45.860 dug into this
00:56:46.420 but there's very few
00:56:47.220 who seem to want to
00:56:48.020 follow the dollar
00:56:48.760 to ask basic questions
00:56:50.240 like who is this
00:56:50.880 Toronto for Palestine
00:56:51.780 like these groups
00:56:52.880 that have just shown up
00:56:53.780 with flatbed trucks
00:56:54.880 and sound systems
00:56:56.180 I mean
00:56:56.460 and apparently
00:56:57.260 they have time
00:56:58.020 to protest
00:56:58.660 every single day
00:56:59.480 of eight months
00:57:00.540 I mean
00:57:00.820 no one seems curious enough
00:57:02.400 to find out
00:57:02.920 who's behind these groups
00:57:03.940 funding this stuff
00:57:05.000 but to your point
00:57:06.320 you know
00:57:06.820 I would point out
00:57:07.560 the name
00:57:07.800 Leith Marouf
00:57:08.620 right
00:57:08.980 a guy who worked
00:57:09.760 for the Trudeau government
00:57:10.820 he was a major
00:57:12.320 Jew hater
00:57:13.040 big big guy
00:57:14.620 apparently in Montreal
00:57:15.620 but you know
00:57:16.720 he's just one of many
00:57:18.300 in Montreal
00:57:18.780 like Montreal
00:57:19.380 is on fire
00:57:20.480 with this kind of Jew hate
00:57:22.940 and I would say
00:57:24.000 it's you know
00:57:25.260 bad here
00:57:25.860 but it's really bad there
00:57:27.380 yeah
00:57:28.280 Marouf received
00:57:29.260 nearly $200,000
00:57:30.600 from the government
00:57:31.500 of Canada
00:57:32.200 yeah
00:57:33.220 and now he's over
00:57:34.620 in Beirut
00:57:35.400 doing commentary
00:57:36.820 for Iranian
00:57:37.820 state television
00:57:38.920 who is ultimately
00:57:39.960 is you know
00:57:41.840 behind the curtain
00:57:42.760 on all of this stuff
00:57:44.040 like the SPHR
00:57:47.140 this you know
00:57:48.080 solidarity
00:57:48.780 for Palestinian
00:57:49.680 human rights
00:57:50.340 like who's against
00:57:51.060 human rights
00:57:51.780 but really
00:57:52.580 that's another name
00:57:53.580 for another organization
00:57:54.840 that's got
00:57:55.540 hundreds of chapters
00:57:56.980 around Canada
00:57:58.160 the United States
00:57:59.100 and overseas
00:58:00.000 and it's
00:58:01.640 in Canada
00:58:02.440 it's found
00:58:03.100 not just at McGill
00:58:04.360 but at Concordia
00:58:05.380 at Western
00:58:06.460 at McMaster
00:58:07.700 at Queens
00:58:08.460 University of Ottawa
00:58:09.440 and it's
00:58:10.620 it's Students for Justice
00:58:12.280 in Palestine
00:58:13.420 SJP
00:58:14.460 SJP
00:58:15.640 is one of the most
00:58:17.180 powerful
00:58:17.960 anti-Semitic
00:58:19.440 anti-Israel
00:58:20.500 organizations
00:58:21.160 in the world
00:58:22.260 and it is
00:58:23.540 stage managing
00:58:24.480 all of the stuff
00:58:25.720 that you're seeing
00:58:26.480 on your TV
00:58:27.220 and computer screens
00:58:28.500 at Canadian campuses
00:58:30.180 it was founded
00:58:31.420 about 25 years ago
00:58:33.120 at Berkeley
00:58:33.700 of course
00:58:34.380 and they are
00:58:36.040 according to pleadings
00:58:37.340 that have been filed
00:58:38.120 in the United States
00:58:38.980 just in the past few weeks
00:58:40.260 they are the public
00:58:41.680 relations arm
00:58:42.660 of Hamas
00:58:43.580 terrorist organization
00:58:45.100 so that's what
00:58:46.680 people need to focus
00:58:47.700 on here
00:58:48.220 is this organization
00:58:49.800 in McGill
00:58:50.320 that's put up
00:58:50.860 this poster
00:58:51.420 of people holding
00:58:52.120 machine guns
00:58:52.760 for a summer camp
00:58:53.680 they are
00:58:54.900 in Canada
00:58:56.180 one of the faces
00:58:57.460 of Hamas
00:58:58.820 they are one of the
00:58:59.540 organizations
00:59:00.220 that
00:59:01.160 while they call
00:59:02.180 Hamas heroic
00:59:03.040 for what it did
00:59:03.800 on October 7th
00:59:05.500 right
00:59:05.780 but McGill
00:59:06.500 doesn't do anything
00:59:07.120 about it
00:59:07.640 you know
00:59:09.000 we've seen
00:59:09.660 none of the universities
00:59:10.840 will do anything
00:59:11.540 about it
00:59:12.100 the prime minister
00:59:13.260 no one in government
00:59:14.460 will do anything
00:59:15.140 about it
00:59:15.520 not at any level
00:59:16.400 right
00:59:16.680 like no one
00:59:17.340 seems to be
00:59:17.780 really taking
00:59:18.340 this seriously
00:59:19.160 and it just
00:59:20.700 it just
00:59:21.200 defies logic
00:59:22.380 where it's
00:59:22.900 laid out
00:59:23.420 right in front
00:59:24.080 of everybody
00:59:25.500 of what's
00:59:26.120 going on here
00:59:26.720 and yet
00:59:27.060 no one
00:59:27.360 seems to care
00:59:28.020 there's no
00:59:28.540 leadership
00:59:28.900 and they have
00:59:30.240 to take it
00:59:30.760 seriously
00:59:31.260 like in Canada
00:59:32.160 you're not allowed
00:59:33.380 to have a private
00:59:34.360 camp
00:59:34.780 you know
00:59:35.040 when I
00:59:35.400 as you pointed
00:59:35.940 out off the top
00:59:36.660 I've been writing
00:59:37.480 about anti-Semitism
00:59:38.660 on the far right
00:59:39.640 too
00:59:39.860 and I wrote
00:59:40.220 about the Aryan
00:59:40.940 nations
00:59:41.380 setting up
00:59:42.420 a similar
00:59:42.940 summer camp
00:59:43.920 you know
00:59:44.160 they called
00:59:44.680 Jews
00:59:45.440 the disciples
00:59:46.120 of Satan
00:59:46.740 and they were
00:59:47.480 going to teach
00:59:47.900 people how to
00:59:48.480 use automatic
00:59:49.080 weapons
00:59:49.560 you're not
00:59:49.980 allowed to do
00:59:50.620 that in Canada
00:59:51.340 since 1977
00:59:52.500 that's a criminal
00:59:53.760 code offense
00:59:54.560 if you're caught
00:59:55.440 doing that
00:59:56.040 you're going to
00:59:56.560 jail for as much
00:59:57.380 as 10 years
00:59:58.420 so what this
00:59:59.740 McGill chapter
01:00:00.840 of SJP
01:00:01.780 is doing
01:00:02.500 is completely
01:00:03.780 what they're
01:00:04.280 promoting
01:00:04.660 is completely
01:00:05.480 illegal
01:00:05.920 you're not
01:00:06.620 permitted to
01:00:07.140 do that
01:00:07.540 but the problem
01:00:08.500 as you point
01:00:09.160 out
01:00:09.460 is the authorities
01:00:10.520 have done
01:00:10.940 nothing
01:00:11.340 the McGill
01:00:13.220 University
01:00:13.760 continues to
01:00:14.680 collect tuition
01:00:15.500 fees
01:00:15.980 from students
01:00:16.960 which they pass
01:00:17.940 on to the
01:00:18.540 student union
01:00:19.340 who passes
01:00:20.420 it on
01:00:20.940 to this
01:00:21.840 chapter
01:00:22.500 of the
01:00:23.180 students
01:00:23.500 for justice
01:00:24.100 in Palestine
01:00:24.820 like indirectly
01:00:26.300 they're funding
01:00:27.140 extremism
01:00:27.980 they're funding
01:00:28.620 a group
01:00:29.140 that is
01:00:29.860 considered
01:00:30.320 the PR arm
01:00:31.280 of Hamas
01:00:32.280 yeah and it's
01:00:33.380 not new
01:00:33.740 I mean we
01:00:34.160 don't have
01:00:34.760 and I've
01:00:35.080 looked
01:00:35.340 we don't
01:00:35.800 have data
01:00:36.480 to know
01:00:36.920 how much
01:00:37.400 money
01:00:37.800 you know
01:00:38.600 Iran
01:00:39.180 or let's
01:00:40.860 say terror
01:00:41.520 groups like
01:00:41.900 the Muslim
01:00:42.180 Brotherhood
01:00:42.560 are pouring
01:00:43.060 into universities
01:00:43.720 we do know
01:00:44.480 that foreign
01:00:45.040 entities
01:00:45.540 that we don't
01:00:46.480 want are
01:00:46.980 in Canada
01:00:47.540 but in the
01:00:47.940 United States
01:00:48.520 they've got
01:00:48.900 like 13
01:00:49.620 billion dollars
01:00:50.420 from rogue
01:00:52.020 nations
01:00:52.520 enemy nations
01:00:53.340 that pour
01:00:54.160 money into
01:00:54.680 universities
01:00:55.340 the universities
01:00:55.900 happily take
01:00:56.660 it
01:00:56.800 and then
01:00:57.160 you know
01:00:57.500 only thanks
01:00:58.180 to October
01:00:59.060 7th
01:00:59.460 we now
01:00:59.740 see
01:01:00.240 what it
01:01:01.160 has grown
01:01:01.620 the tentacles
01:01:02.180 of hate
01:01:02.580 that it
01:01:02.860 has grown
01:01:03.400 and yet
01:01:04.740 the premier
01:01:05.220 here in
01:01:05.620 this province
01:01:06.220 you know
01:01:06.460 he's been
01:01:06.700 pushed to
01:01:07.320 look into
01:01:08.060 the universities
01:01:08.760 look into
01:01:09.540 who's being
01:01:10.100 funded by
01:01:10.680 what
01:01:11.060 and not
01:01:12.940 interested
01:01:13.380 no one
01:01:14.140 seems interested
01:01:14.740 to know
01:01:15.300 what's fueling
01:01:16.280 all this
01:01:16.660 and it's
01:01:16.980 all there
01:01:17.480 we've been
01:01:17.840 warned
01:01:18.220 about this
01:01:18.880 and the
01:01:19.820 money is
01:01:20.600 big money
01:01:21.280 and it's
01:01:21.760 ultimately
01:01:22.100 coming from
01:01:23.080 Qatar
01:01:23.480 and the
01:01:24.220 campaign
01:01:24.680 manager
01:01:25.160 here
01:01:25.600 is
01:01:25.980 Iran
01:01:26.380 and I've
01:01:26.760 been spending
01:01:27.140 a lot of
01:01:27.480 time writing
01:01:27.960 about it
01:01:28.500 like a
01:01:29.020 Carnegie Mellon
01:01:29.840 University
01:01:30.600 in the
01:01:31.080 United States
01:01:31.680 they have
01:01:32.360 received
01:01:32.820 Alex billions
01:01:33.880 from Qatar
01:01:35.580 during the
01:01:36.240 exact period
01:01:37.000 where anti-Semitism
01:01:37.980 has gone wild
01:01:39.400 on that campus
01:01:40.420 at Columbia
01:01:41.460 University
01:01:42.220 which has had
01:01:42.880 problems for
01:01:43.660 months
01:01:44.060 a student
01:01:45.400 a student
01:01:45.420 who is
01:01:46.000 one of
01:01:46.300 the organizers
01:01:47.160 for this
01:01:47.860 these illegal
01:01:48.660 occupations
01:01:49.460 and protests
01:01:50.060 and fake
01:01:50.360 plays
01:01:50.680 can make
01:01:51.480 up to
01:01:51.900 five thousand
01:01:52.940 dollars
01:01:53.440 Canadian
01:01:53.940 a week
01:01:54.780 if they
01:01:55.560 just put
01:01:56.040 in eight
01:01:56.620 hours
01:01:57.120 of work
01:01:57.980 for this
01:01:58.800 type of
01:01:59.200 activity
01:01:59.680 and God
01:02:00.180 knows how
01:02:00.580 much
01:02:00.820 they're getting
01:02:01.580 and distributing
01:02:02.280 at McGill
01:02:03.000 but obviously
01:02:04.120 it's significant
01:02:05.200 if they're able
01:02:05.920 to put on
01:02:06.560 camps
01:02:07.100 and they've
01:02:07.800 been able
01:02:08.140 to exist
01:02:08.840 and feed
01:02:09.440 themselves
01:02:09.920 and clothe
01:02:10.440 themselves
01:02:10.740 for weeks
01:02:11.540 it's a big
01:02:12.460 big problem
01:02:13.120 but unlike
01:02:13.800 in the United
01:02:14.300 States
01:02:14.780 Canadian
01:02:15.500 authorities
01:02:15.980 are not
01:02:16.440 taking it
01:02:16.940 seriously
01:02:17.300 issuing a tweet
01:02:18.540 as our
01:02:18.980 Minister of
01:02:19.480 Immigration
01:02:19.940 did on the
01:02:20.460 weekend
01:02:20.800 not enough
01:02:21.500 I know
01:02:21.820 it's great
01:02:22.220 because he's
01:02:23.000 an alum
01:02:23.500 but I
01:02:23.940 you have to
01:02:25.780 think
01:02:26.140 I'm hoping
01:02:27.240 someone's
01:02:28.220 got to be
01:02:28.480 watching these
01:02:28.960 crowds
01:02:29.300 doing intelligence
01:02:30.300 gathering
01:02:30.840 but I don't
01:02:31.700 even know
01:02:31.980 if they take
01:02:32.360 it that
01:02:32.620 seriously
01:02:33.160 well
01:02:34.280 look at how
01:02:35.020 the foreign
01:02:35.580 interference
01:02:36.120 story has
01:02:36.840 played out
01:02:37.400 and how
01:02:38.220 you and I
01:02:38.780 and others
01:02:39.240 have written
01:02:39.660 about it
01:02:40.260 like the
01:02:40.920 Canadian
01:02:41.140 government
01:02:41.460 is not
01:02:41.900 taking it
01:02:42.360 seriously
01:02:42.680 we literally
01:02:43.280 have traitors
01:02:44.160 in the
01:02:44.960 House of Commons
01:02:45.660 and we're not
01:02:46.060 allowed to
01:02:46.460 know who
01:02:46.820 they are
01:02:47.320 so I don't
01:02:48.400 believe for a
01:02:48.960 moment they're
01:02:49.400 taking seriously
01:02:50.360 this other
01:02:51.080 foreign
01:02:51.600 interference
01:02:52.120 problem
01:02:52.700 where the
01:02:53.420 regime in
01:02:54.700 Iran
01:02:55.080 this illegal
01:02:55.860 terrorist
01:02:56.440 regime
01:02:56.980 is overseeing
01:02:58.640 and stage
01:02:59.220 managing
01:02:59.740 extremism
01:03:00.760 and violence
01:03:01.840 on Canadian
01:03:02.620 university
01:03:03.180 campuses
01:03:03.760 like it
01:03:04.940 hasn't
01:03:05.400 stopped
01:03:05.920 with the
01:03:06.480 exception
01:03:06.800 the
01:03:07.060 University
01:03:07.420 of Calgary
01:03:07.940 where I
01:03:08.340 went to
01:03:08.660 law school
01:03:09.320 University of
01:03:11.220 Alberta
01:03:11.680 nobody else
01:03:13.280 has been
01:03:13.640 able to
01:03:14.320 get the
01:03:15.260 gumption
01:03:15.680 to shut
01:03:16.120 these things
01:03:16.600 down
01:03:16.960 they still
01:03:17.700 continue
01:03:18.240 at places
01:03:19.500 like the
01:03:19.900 University of
01:03:20.480 Toronto
01:03:20.740 yeah
01:03:22.360 it's
01:03:22.780 shocking
01:03:23.980 but not
01:03:24.460 shocking
01:03:24.820 but we
01:03:25.120 are paying
01:03:26.020 the price
01:03:26.360 and we
01:03:26.560 are going
01:03:26.900 to
01:03:27.080 so I
01:03:27.560 appreciate
01:03:28.000 it
01:03:28.220 I think
01:03:28.680 you've
01:03:28.860 written
01:03:28.960 this up
01:03:29.280 and you've
01:03:29.540 just put
01:03:29.860 your latest
01:03:30.260 on online
01:03:31.720 correct
01:03:32.060 yes I have
01:03:33.460 so it's
01:03:33.940 on my
01:03:34.280 website
01:03:34.700 and sub
01:03:35.200 stack
01:03:35.560 and all
01:03:35.860 over the
01:03:36.120 place
01:03:36.380 so people
01:03:36.920 can take
01:03:37.260 a look
01:03:37.500 at it
01:03:37.880 all right
01:03:38.260 appreciate
01:03:39.220 your time
01:03:39.640 Warren
01:03:39.840 always
01:03:40.100 thank you
01:03:40.620 thanks my
01:03:41.760 friend
01:03:42.040 Warren
01:03:42.480 Kinsella
01:03:42.880 joining us
01:03:43.400 and if you
01:03:43.620 want to
01:03:43.860 read about
01:03:44.320 that he
01:03:44.760 has now
01:03:45.280 got that
01:03:45.780 up on
01:03:46.120 the
01:03:46.240 Toronto
01:03:46.800 Sun
01:03:47.460 other
01:03:48.120 places
01:04:17.460 special
01:04:30.900 I
01:04:41.280 can
01:04:41.720 talk
01:04:42.740 about
01:04:45.120 the
01:04:45.440 eyes
01:04:46.040 大
01:04:47.100 I'm not that way, I'm not the only one who is the man
01:04:49.240 She's not a good one, I'm not a good one
01:04:52.500 She's not a good one
01:05:17.100 She's not a good one
01:05:47.100 She's not a good one
01:06:17.100 She's not a good one