KINSELLACAST 316： The antisemites get bolder - plus Lilley, Pierson, Kheiriddin, Belanger and Pointed Sticks!
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Summary
In this episode of The Kinsella Cast, Warren talks about anti-Semitism at Canadian universities, a photo of a group of young people with their faces covered, and a group at McGill University that is promoting an anti-Semitic summer camp.
Transcript
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It's the Kinsella Cast, starring Warren Kinsella.
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Hey, it's Warren. Welcome back to the Kinsella Cast.
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There was no Kinsella Cast last week, and that's some of the year ago,
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because it was the 20th anniversary of my dad's passing,
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and so I decided it was important to observe that.
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So it was some quiet time, so it was often the woods, me and the mosquitoes.
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And so I did some painting and some writing and some reflection,
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because I've been interviewing different people in Israel and elsewhere,
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and we talk about all kinds of interesting stuff that's happening politically.
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There's just a ton of stuff happening politically.
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I've got Tasha Carradine and Carl Belanger doing the same thing,
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Alex Pearson and I talking about what's happening at universities,
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So as is often the case, I'm driving along in my Jeep,
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I hear like a couple chords, and I go, I know what that is.
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And that's what happened to me this week with the pointed sticks.
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I just heard this little bit of this amazing song by this amazing Vancouver band,
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who were just giants to us when we were growing up in the punk scene in Calgary.
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And, you know, they were signed to Stiff Records for, I think, a summer.
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But they deserve to be huge, like so many Canadian bands.
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These are all singles they basically put out themselves or on Quintessence Records.
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The marching song, I'm going to play those for you.
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And I think you will be convinced, as I am, how important that group was.
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Also important this week, something a lot of us were talking about, was this photograph.
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And it was a photograph of six young people in keffias.
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Some were reading quotations from Chairman Mao.
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circulated by the McGill University chapter of the Solidarity for Palestinian Human Rights, SPHR.
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Summer Youth Program, launching June the 17th, 2024.
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And the poster is still on the Instagram account of SPHR McGill.
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And when it appeared a few days ago, caused a firestorm.
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Headlines around the world, Jerusalem Post called it Camp Intifada.
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The Guardian in Britain said that the poster featured mass guerrillas.
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And a federal cabinet minister, very close to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau,
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who himself is a McGill alumni, issued a statement condemning the poster.
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This is hate speech and an incitement to hate, pure and simple.
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Like, what, if anything, are the authorities doing about it?
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So it's a club, recognized by the Student Union at McGill.
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And is supported by the Student Society of McGill University.
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In the past, via funds, it got from people's tuition, students' tuition.
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And the Student Union describes SPHR on their website as a student-led club that champions the Palestinian liberation struggle,
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settler colonialism, apartheid genocide based on the principles of anti-colonial solidarity, blah, blah, blah.
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But SPHR McGill is actually quite a bit more than that.
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And there's SPHR clubs, by the way, at several Canadian universities.
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Concordia, Western, Lethbridge, Calgary, McMaster, Queens, Ottawa.
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Because the SPHRs, they're really just a front for another more openly extremist group,
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SJP is one of the most powerful anti-Israel and anti-Semitic groups in the world.
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It's got chapters at universities and colleges across Canada, the U.S., and overseas.
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It was founded at Berkeley in 2001, and it has been linked to support for extremism and terrorism from the start.
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Like since the October 7th massacre by Hamas in Israel, SJP's leadership and membership have become more and more open in their support for Hamas,
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for which SJP provides public relations in North America.
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That's what governments in the United States have said.
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So, SJP is the public relations arm of Hamas in North America.
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In Canada, SJP, SPHR, have applauded the atrocities of October 7th.
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Last night, the resistance in Gaza led a heroic attack against the occupation and has taken over 30 hostages.
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Their march toward liberation is monumental as their rockets.
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The resistance will free the prisoners who have been facing a fascist attack by the occupation
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and liberate our land from the fangs of the enemy.
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The resistance has set a new precedent for the Palestinian struggle.
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Our right to resist the occupation, defend our land, and free our prisoners are the utmost priorities.
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We call on the people of Montreal to celebrate the resistance success.
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Now, McGill's provost condemned the club when they said that.
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And later on, just this week, the president of McGill condemned the summer camp that they're now doing,
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But despite all of that, the SJP chapter that calls itself SPHR,
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it remains a recognized and supported club at McGill.
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In their explanation of it, it was packed with spelling errors.
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We pledge to educate the youth of Montreal and redefine McGill's elite institutional legacy
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by transforming, they misspelled all three of those words,
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The daily schedule will include physical activity, Arabic language instruction,
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cultural crafts, political discussions, historical and revolutionary lessons.
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The first week was going to focus on the history of the Palestinian resistance,
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then the Nakba, Nakba being the Arabic word for catastrophe,
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and what Hamas says is the natural extension of the Palestinian people's right and resistance.
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Week three was going to be on different fronts of the movement.
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what they call the slaughter of 1,200 men, women, children and babies on October 7th,
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Now, when they did that, the university, McGill, and the student union insisted they remove McGill from their name.
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Because they've allowed it to remain as a recognized club.
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how much funding SJP has received from the university and the student union.
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The photos are of the Fatah faction of the Palestinian Liberation Organization,
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back when the PLO was considered a terrorist group.
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and the group showing interest in Chairman Mao's words are doing that,
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presumably because the Chinese Communist Party, as now and then, supported the PLO.
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Asked by the media about the image of the mass gunman,
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the coordinator, one of the co-coordinators, apologies,
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You know, people should stop focusing on the photo.
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Is it legal to advertise a camp where the use of weapons is promoted?
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And what, if anything, are the authorities doing about it?
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The only place where firearms training is legal in Canada
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is with accredited Canadian firearm safety courses,
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Since 1977, no one, other than the police and the military,
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Sentences for those convicted of possessing a machine gun,
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with its willful promotion of hateful words and images?
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and we're back and we're back finally um after a break he was camping and didn't have a podcast
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last week and a bunch of other stuff back with our friend and colleague and our muse our soothsayer
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or prognosticator brian lily um brian there's so much stuff going on and has been going on
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i don't even know where to start that's how i begin most of my days
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yeah but you started my day i think yesterday the day before you brought to my attention and tens and
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tens of thousands of other people because so many people follow you online marco mendocino liberal
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mp that you and i have been really critical of in the past particularly when he was cabinet minister
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got spat on and you drew it to my attention a lot of other people's attention is this a legitimate
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form of protest is this something that's okay to do now hell no hell no and i you know i said that and
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and look very critical marco mendocino um in general i i think marco's a smart guy who had a bad run as a
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cabinet minister um but you know even when i disagree with them here here's my view most people are in
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politics for the right reasons whether you agree with them or not we always have to treat each other
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as if we are fellow humans uh fellow citizens not enemies i don't like this move to say that if
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they're belong to a political party that i don't like that they're my enemy and that seems to be the
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view that a lot of people go around with and so this guy who i i don't know who he is but the bit of the
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video that i watched um i think he's struggling with life he was walking along spark street sees
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mendocino spits on him then the uh one of the uh parliamentary precinct uh police officers comes
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out and calls him over and tells him you've got to go apologize he did he said he didn't mean to do
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it obviously if you spit on someone you obviously mean to do it um but you know i just got the sense
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from watching that bit of video something's not quite right here uh but no you can't go around
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spitting on people you don't spit on people you don't attack their families you you know disagree
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on policy debate vigorously don't do that one thing that you also should not do is you know basically
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supply confidential information to foreign powers if you're a member of parliament the senate passed
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their foreign interference bill this week i think it awaits royal assent um is this good enough
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is the problem solved can we say to madam justice hoag hey we don't need to report at the end of
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december anymore or do we still have a problem we still got a massive problem um what i would like to
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see and if you had asked me this a few years ago before this evidence came out i would have disagreed
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with it i'd like to see the parties have to submit nomination races uh to a set of rules much like
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the the parties do in the united states for their uh their primaries or their caucuses and such
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i don't think that you should if you can't vote in a general election you should not be picking the
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candidate and right now all of the parties allow people under the age of 18 to vote the the liberals
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have the loosest of all you don't need to be a canadian citizen you don't need to be a permanent
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resident you just have to be 14 and normally live in the ridings i think is the the wording uh which is
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how you get 14 year old uh high school kids being bussed in to help nominate um a candidate and they're
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not even canadian they're international foreign students being told how to vote by a conflict
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so let's talk about a specific example of exactly what you're talking about and dong uh liberal mp
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um has been talked about and focused on for many months now particularly because a conversation he
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had with the chinese consulate about the two michaels when the two michaels were being illegally
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imprisoned in china um what happened with his nomination meeting i think that's a good example of
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what you're talking about well it um according to the evidence we've seen just that you know it all
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followed liberal party rules but there were students from a local high school and college who were from
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china who were bussed in how do we end up picking mps or who the candidate will be based on the whims of
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14 15 16 17 year old students from china or any other country that's not canada um it
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uh it's uh it shouldn't be happening in that way and yet for the liberal party those are still the
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rules they do not intend to change them um i think the conservatives you may have to be a permanent
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resident and 16 but that's still not right and the ndp is somewhere in between the two um we we need to
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tighten this up so that you if you can't vote in a general election you don't vote in a nomination race
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because you know as well as i do that there are plenty of ridings across the country where
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if you get the nomination you're the mp um and this opens us up wide to foreign interference this has to
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be changed uh there has there has to be um rules followed i i believe they should be set up by elections
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canada and rules should be followed a few years ago i would have said no political parties are private
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organizations we don't need this kind of uh oversight but having seen what's gone on over
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the last few years having watched the um the the testimony and the evidence at the committee or the
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commission this has to change i couldn't agree more well then let's end things off by talking to
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two different votes uh one out in alberta and one in ontario so in my home province naheed nenshi
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um former mayor of calgary previously called himself purple said he was kind of liberal kind
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of tory you know friends with danielle smith at the university of calgary has become the leader of
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the alberta new democratic party with a massive return so i want to hear you talk about that
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whether that's ever happened before and the second thing is the vote that is taking place
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in saint paul's um this liberal fortress in the middle of toronto where liberals are looking pretty
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nervous as you have written in the pages of the toronto sun alberta first what do you think
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looked like a pretty big win it's a huge win and uh we now know that he was never purple he was always
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orange um i i i never took nenshi to be kind of liberal kind of tory i took him to be uh that very
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distinct brand of alberta progressive and um you know it's amazing people who um haven't been to
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alberta who haven't or maybe they they go for stampede um and you know stampede in alberta is kind
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of like um the carnival in quebec city or saint john baptiste in quebec it's when people from
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outside the province go there get drunk and throw up on the streets and they don't learn anything
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about the province it's so true so true um so if you've just been for stampede and you haven't paid
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attention to politics there alberta is not this huge bastion of conservatism uh first realized that
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when the pc party was still in power when it still existed and i'm out there talking to people who
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tell are telling me that they're lifelong pcers and i'm thinking no you're what you're describing is
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you're a socialist but the pc party was in power for so long it was it was the brokerage party like
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if you wanted your power you joined it so alberta has this reputation but i'll also say that their
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ndp is its own specific uh strain of new democrat to a degree um they still have some of the wackos
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that that we have in in the eastern ndp or in bc or what have you but you will find guys like like
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nenshi and uh what would i call it like a responsible new new democrat um and so he has the potential to
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win daniel smith's going to have to uh uh face a real contender which she did in rachel notley in
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the last election and was only able to turn it around when she stopped re-litigating the pandemic
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and talked about real issues for that voters cared about um so she she's gonna have a real contender
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here uh with nenshi but he also has to adapt to team politics which you know it's very different than
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being a solo uh person which you essentially are as mayor so they've all got big uh adjustments
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but i think you're right i'm not sure that any provincial leader has been elected with numbers
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like that before oh 86 percent crazy just crazy i can't remember anything like that 62 000 votes
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yeah like it wasn't he didn't eke out a win it was like it was a legitimate landslide so well i think
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leslie church in saint paul's i don't think anybody expects including leslie who i've known for a long
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time full disclosure is expecting a landslide i think she's going to win but i don't think she's
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going to win by a lot what do you think well i've been debating liberals who live in the riding
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and will be voting for her about whether she's going to win and i think that she will and they think
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i don't think it's happening um i've found myself in a really odd position over the last couple of
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weeks um so you know i i'm sure that there are people in church's campaign office uh which by the
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way they're across the street from each other they're both on young street uh just south to saint
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claire they are across the aisle from each other you might say um and uh i'm sure there's people in
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our campaign office who are confident uh but there's a lot of nervous liberals they've brought
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in as many ministers as they can if the pm was here it was way at the beginning i i'm trying to
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stretch and remember if he's been here he normally goes to every by-election uh and they've uh they've
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shuttled in young staffers from ottawa to go door knocking uh a lot of them they're very nervous about
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this i don't know don stewart um if if he wins it will be um you know a lot of hard work by him
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interesting campaign tactic he uh mailed out uh letters obviously to people they had canvassed
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somebody shared this with me it looks like a so on on the outside of the envelope it's handwritten
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and and who gets mail handwritten anymore on the outside with your name and address on it
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and then it looks like it's a handwritten postcard note on the inside it's obviously just a very well
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done print job so he's got some interesting campaign tactics but if he wins it's because voters are
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rejecting trudeau and the liberals more than they're embracing him i was um i'm in the riding regularly but
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i spent a bunch of time there this past week uh talking to people areas where the liberals are
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normally doing really really well like winchwood not as not as many signs uh areas like forest hill
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which is normally i mean you tell me isn't that normally reliably red it's ground zero red yeah well
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if the election were held in forest hill alone which is where the jewish community in the riding is
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concentrated not exclusive but concentrated um if it was held in forest hill the conservatives would
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win in a landslide uh i i saw somebody say oh well it's a wealthy area so it normally votes conservative
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no it doesn't it votes liberal in forest hill and they are about to flip to conservatives so
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it it's touch and go i'm hedging my bets here because i don't know if if the jewish vote comes out
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massively for the conservatives if professionals who are going to be whack we're talking doctors
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lawyers anybody that owns a small business and there's a lot of people in the riding like that
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those people being upset at the small gain our capital gains tax changes if they come out on mass to vote
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church is going to be in trouble well my prediction just to conclude our discussion i believe the tories are
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going to win not because the panicked liberals are shipping in staffers from ottawa to help out
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leslie church not because the liberal brand is strong they're going to win because don stewart the
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tory candidate allowed pictures to be taken of him wearing shorts i do not believe a candidate should
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ever wear shorts in public you were freaked out by that you mean you said the conservatives are going
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to win you mean the liberals are going to win yeah liberals are going to win but i think the
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tories are going to lose because he wore shorts i think that's the reason yeah well we'll we'll find
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out i one of my readers did say he's looking forward to uh two great wins for canada on monday
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edmonton uh winning the stanley cup and don stewart winning uh toronto saint paul's um
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we'll see we'll see well go oilers go oilers and i'm a calgarian i can't believe i'm saying that
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go oilers brian lilly thank you for your wisdom and uh well i guess you and i'll be sending some
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text messages and phone calls back and forth tomorrow night thank you absolutely
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oh please don't look at me i've seen all that i want to see you take your cigarettes a lot of 40
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year old that's all out of house while i live with a terminal solution your face is like a
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video on september's television and you're somebody's mama
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even if you're just a native you says bum and you're married somebody's dad
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if i've been your children i'll show what i'll be mad
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and now you say your husband's free to run over the secretary while you say home and kill your
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rooms with savages and other pills and you're somebody's mama
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even if you're just a native you says bum and you're married somebody's dad
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if i've been your children i'll show what i'll be mad
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hey you're somebody's mama oh even if you're just a native you says bum and you're married somebody's dad
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if i've been your children i'll show what i'll be mad
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and it is time maybe cloudy sunday morning is uh
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apt for the state of our politics right now but joining us on the phone this morning tasha
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keratin she is a political communist for the national post a writer for g0 media and an author
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as well tasha thanks for joining us good morning good good morning andrew
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warren can tell us strategist and post media columnist you can read his latest in the toronto
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sun good morning warren go oilers oh my god we were kind of thinking about it last weekend
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right it is incredible to see that monday night we have a game seven
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carl bellagia also here he is the president at traction strategies uh carl good morning
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morning guys uh well first of all i want to start with this one just because this kind of turned
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into a more of a local news story here in ottawa uh over the course of friday and saturday but we saw
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you know video release marco menducino the minister for the liberals of course uh getting spit on
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uh i was kind of saying yesterday i kind of thought it was incredible just his his tact in dealing
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with this whatever your political stripe to shake the guy's hand who spit in your face
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but is this kind of warren is this just the state of the politics we're in right now is this par for
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the course uh yeah it is something that sadly is happening more and more not just you know spitting
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but assaults and threats and and so on but just but nobody should be under any illusion what was done
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to marco mendoncino is a criminal offense under section 265 for the criminal code of canada
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spitting on someone it may not seem as serious as a punch you know or a kick but it's considered
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assault and it's been consistently considered assault for many many years so what we saw on camera
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was a criminal offense and so he came back out with the member of the parliamentary protective
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service a police officer the police officer was kind of weird said you know you should be nicer or
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something but the police officer should have been doing is saying uh you know i'm detaining you for
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the purpose of questioning put him in handcuffs or whatever and take them away and then this guy
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extends his hand and mendoncino takes it i thought that was a mistake for mendoncino to do that
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legally at least but anyway it is sad it's terrible it's something that should not be happening in our
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politics and not just because it's a criminal offense because it's disgusting and you know
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people don't get into public life to be treated that way they don't deserve to be treated that way
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well you raise an interesting port war and just a kind of a follow on that you know should there
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be in charges here just to send a message that this is wrong there has to be you know the principle
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of criminal law one of the key principles of criminal law uh is deterrence you know this has been
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widely publicized people are looking at it and going oh i guess you know i can spit on a member
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of parliament and there'll be a handshake and that kind of will settle it no that's not what the law
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is that's not what the jurisprudence says it's a criminal offense this individual should be charged
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tasha just your thoughts on this on this whole situation as as i mentioned it kind of i don't know
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it's it could have been worse in many senses but is this kind of the state of some toxic politics
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we've got going on right now well my reaction to the same is warrants why didn't this guy get
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arrested especially since there was an officer with mendigino and i agree and i think this is
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we live in an increasingly consequence free society people act out in all sorts of ways towards public
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officials in particular but not only but you know the government says we're not going to toughen the
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laws because we have them to protect um or to charge people if they do commit crimes whether
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vandalism at people's offices or harassment or this kind of thing which is an assault absolutely
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i mean you know you look in the days of covid uh or even other things you spit on someone you can
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make them sick right it's not it's not a benign thing and it's not acceptable so the problem is
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laws aren't being enforced no way there's no there's no consequences people aren't going to jail
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they're not being made examples of so they think oh yeah okay anything goes maybe i'll maybe next time
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i'll get invited in for coffee instead of a handshake i mean it's ridiculous utterly ridiculous
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and disgusting and you know why it deters people from running for public office and that's one of
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the biggest problems too is that people will will say it's not worth the trouble and they won't engage
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and carl kind of on the larger issue as tasha's kind of raised as well is this is this enabling
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poor behavior here you know perhaps the true to liberals didn't want a whole you know kerfuffle here
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with this this um uh with this situation but it seems like it's it's not played out uh exactly
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how it should when it comes to the law well absolutely if you allow people to do bad things
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they'll do bad things and uh you know we saw it during the convoy right i was like oh we're we're
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gonna help them get the fuel to heat their trucks and we're gonna help them do this and because we
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want to de-escalate and we've seen this again and again and again and again uh and i understand the
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principle of de-escalation you don't want to make things worse but at the same time um it allows
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people to do things that they shouldn't be doing because they think it's okay uh they think it's
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it's fine if you're frustrated you you should be able to spit on a politician i mean it's crazy that
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we're there now uh and and it speaks volumes to you know the the collective mental state we're in
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uh where where these kind of uh of behavior uh are not uh punished immediately and and the reaction
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of the uh the the officer from the protective uh service uh was was quite interesting now at the
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same time uh you know he got to give credit to marco medicino for his reaction he kept his cool and
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he did not retaliate himself which would have created a bigger problem for him uh but i'm sure
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he was also surprised to see how it happened and then you know shook his hand which is also very
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strange um uh at the same time uh i think i think we we have to be a little more forceful when it comes
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to these actions i think you need to uh you know charge this individual and and and put them in front of
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a judge to see what what happens because if you don't um well yes tasha said anything goes well
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and carl we've talked about kind of toxic politics in quebec as well under different kind of scenarios
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municipally as well are we just with with incidents like this are we uh are you concerned that we're
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we're going to get a bigger one one is that of uh one is that is of more concern than you know
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perhaps there's some some some drive-by spitting well i mean and we've seen it uh we've seen things
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that's what not are worse and we see people who believe that they can be uh you know behind uh
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their their the anonymity that uh is is given to them by the fact that they're in a pajama in their
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basement you know send debt threats and what have you to to politicians and then people you know get
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frustrated and frustrated and then you know they will act on it like we've seen it it's happened
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here in canada it will happen again uh so that's why you cannot have any tolerance for that kind of
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action because uh it it creates this this spiral of violence and and we're seeing it uh unfold on the
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horizon we saw it in the states where people thought well it's fine we'll go to the capital and
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you know we'll we'll assault police officers and we'll try to find democrats to hang them because
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they're traitors and that's the that's the state of mind that people have and so don't believe it
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cannot happen here it will happen here uh if we let it go yeah it just reminds me of cory hurran
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showing up to the prime minister's residence with a with a bunch of guns to talk so i guess we have
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kind of seen it it's just kind of lucky that it hasn't had a different outcome uh what it is
00:37:18.720
switch gears talk about another topic this week because obviously this is going to be a big one
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so we've seen the house rise here uh obviously for the summer but the big one tomorrow we've got a
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a by-election coming up in toronto saint paul so warren i'll start with you you know if you're the
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trudeau liberals right now do you have a plan for for where you're heading from now or are you waiting
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to see what happens in this by-election tomorrow well my understanding is they're uh they are in trouble
00:37:42.540
uh they're actually shipping dozens of political staff from ottawa down to saint paul's that's not
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something historically you've ever needed to do there saint paul's was like a fortress you know
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for generations i think the last tory to be elected there was barbara mcdougall so that gives you an idea
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how long ago and how secure a seat it has been so they are worried i think the announcement that
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dominic leblanc made about making the iranian revolutionary guard finally making it a terrorist
00:38:16.080
criminal organization canada was because they're spooked about saint paul's and they're worried
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about losing that 15 of the riding who are jewish um but that all said i still think they're going to
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win um not by a lot it's you know it's going to be close but i think leslie church is going to win
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the tories had a good candidate but you know at the end of the day what do the tories want
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they want justin trudeau to stick around i think they know if they lose saint the liberals lose saint
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paul's there'll be an enormous pressure on trudeau to go that's the last thing the tories want so that
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they're probably kind of shrugging about the prospect of of losing there as long as they keep
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it close you know put up a good showing that sends a message but that keeps around their principal
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asset which is justin trudeau it'll be very fascinating to watch the machinations there uh
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particularly with uh with as you say some staff headed there for tomorrow as well uh tasha if
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you're the the liberals right now you're watching toronto saint paul tomorrow or you're watching
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this uh by-election happening tomorrow do you change course depending on this or are you do you
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stay entrenched in what you're doing right now even though you're down 20 points in the polls
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well you know the famous thing is keep doing the same thing over and over again you'll end up with
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the same outcome um so if you do the stupid thing over and over you'll end up with the same outcome
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and the outcome for them right now is that they are 20 points down uh will they be 20 points down in a
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year and change um maybe or maybe not but that i think depends on things that they won't control
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which is the economy uh interest rates um you know uh the global geopolitical situation which impacts
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the economy right which is one of the reasons we have supply chain issues and uh we have persistent
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problems with regard to uh certain industries why we're also throwing tons of money at evs like
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the government is being put in a position where it's had to react to external forces
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and unfortunately because they overspent on all sorts of other things to keep themselves in power
00:40:17.540
thank you ndp there's no money there for this stuff so it's basically they're digging a bigger
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a bigger deficit hole i mean our nato commitment for example uh you know canada was punching below
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its weight on that for years under previous governments too but now we can't afford to but
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guess what um you know we've got dental care and pharma care and all sorts of other bells and
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whistles you know massive commitments to housing there's no money where's the money it's going to
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come from taxpayers or debt like it's so yeah the liberals are really i think they're stuck this
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by-election i agree with warren i think um at the end of the day the liberals will probably eke out
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a victory i hate to say that i know the candidate personally who's running there he's a great guy
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uh you know and uh i think that he would make a great mp um but i think that at the end of the day
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yeah the liberals want to win and the conservatives also in a weird way they don't want to upset the
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apple cart they want to still be the underdog they want to have justin truder to kick around and
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if he lost this by-election if a liberal lost this by-election then he really seriously i think
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would be told to or or if there'd be a lot of pressure for him to quit carl do you see a
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threshold here you know if if the liberals you know barely eke out a win or if the conservatives
00:41:25.740
you know win this uh by-election do you do you think the future for justin trudeau as party leader
00:41:30.900
is in trouble or is it all just more noise well i mean if the conservative win the seat uh the wind of
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the winds of panic will will send even strongly uh stronger in in ottawa for sure but but if the
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liberals win it doesn't matter right like a win is a win and you know we will extrapolate and
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the pundits will will you know and analyze this to death and say this and that but the win is a win
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and at the end of the day if the church is the mp on tuesday uh the liberals have have pulled it off
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and they are trying to pull it off they can't afford to lose this seat but central certainly cannot
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afford it and so it's interesting to see how the tories are playing itself because of course locally
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they want to win right but i didn't see pierre quality of's rv there maybe he went over the
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weekend i missed it but i you know he's been touring elsewhere and that's telling um and and so
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we'll see how it unfolds what's also interesting in that the nbp uh seems to be running a distant
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third and not making any gains at the expense of the liberals which you know if you're a democrat
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strategist you're hoping that the liberal collapse will come to you there's no such thing happening
00:42:38.220
the red voters that are abandoning ship are going to the blue ship and uh and for the nbp if it's
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happening also in toronto uh it also means that there's trouble ahead and it seems like the liberals
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can kind of pick up on an anti-conservative vote as well it's it's very fascinating to watch uh
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wanted to try to sneak in a couple of more topics here uh foreign interference as we know uh once again
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in the forefront this week uh in the news we got this uh senate passing the foreign interference bill
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we've kind of talked about this before i mentioned so everything's fixed now right uh warren i guess
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where do we go from here in terms of trying to i don't know make this right once again
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well the parliamentarians have been dragging their feet on it um and um i i actually at this point don't
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really care what the house of commons or the senate have to say because it's been identified that
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there's members of parliament um who have been acting as foreign agents for foreign powers so you know i still
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want to know who those people are so you know what really matters i think at this point is madame
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justice hoag's inquiry into foreign interference not just china but all of the countries are doing this
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including russia and iran and so on and she's done her interim report she's got her final report coming
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on december 31st and that's the one that i think everybody needs to focus on you know the the mps and
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the senators passing legislation about it after years of being pressed to do so is kind of like
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the arsonist being asked to join the you know the firefighters it just it's not credible she is
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credible despite the tory's criticism of her the start of her mandate i want to see what she has to
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say and i want her to name names yeah and i wanted to follow up with you on that warren because we have
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been having this discussion right about naming those names and so i thought that was interesting that we
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did see you know just just an update this week obviously this lawsuit between handong and global
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news a former liberal mp now sitting on his own in many senses but the idea of so far this lawsuit is
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going to move forward and you're a lawyer law warrant so you can kind of walk us through the the legal
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machinations of this but you know so far there's been no documented um uh sources so far in terms of
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some of the global news uh allegations here so that's what i was kind of worrying about is that a
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possibility if we started naming names without you know documentation to back it up no i think the
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decision that was made by the the court here is actually an argument in favor of naming names
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because if handong was wrongly named you know he can sue and in fact he's suing global news for
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millions of dollars but i think the judge got it wrong like the way these slap suits work and i won
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one against maxime bernier who's now in sanibel i guess and he had to pay me 135 000 for getting it wrong
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there is a public interest in knowing you know what was said by handong in his conversation with
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chinese consulate he's admitted he did that cesus had a record that they tabled at the inquiry
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showing that he did that the issue is what exactly was said and the two michaels and handong said well
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i was just saying that they should release him and the cesus report sort of supports that but sort of
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doesn't so i think that's what the decision involving global news is really about is what that
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conversation was really about so his lawsuit goes ahead but it doesn't mean that he's lost his
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lawsuit his one is lawsuit and um you know again you know if if we're naming names if we get it wrong
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well then somebody can sue for defamation that's what he's doing it's a very good point in terms of
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that avenue does remain open for any kind of possible um problems down the road uh when it comes to
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foreign interference uh tasha obviously we have not come to the to to a fix on this or an agreement
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on this right now is this just kind of i don't know um watered down when it comes to fixing the
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issues at play here well i i'm waiting to see what the rcmp does with the nscop report right and do
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they charge anyone um because again goes back to our earlier point about consequences there's no
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consequences will the party leaders who should all read this report pier poliev calling to you
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read the report if there's a if there's a bad apple in your caucus you have to deal with it
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our party leader is going to take the step and say you're not running again you're not running again
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um we we don't know that's what i'm waiting to see um yes and justice hoag's report i think she
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should also um get the unredacted version of nscop it should be part of what she she sees
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but at the end of the day it's up to lawmakers or rather those who enforce the law to charge people
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who violate it so that has to happen and with regard to hand on you know when i saw the judge's
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decision i looked up the original news report there were two sources that were cited so
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journalistically global was in a position where it had two sources that they need um to actually go
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forward with a story both said that he suggested allegedly suggested that the two michaels should be
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if they were released the conservatives would benefit was there a written transcript of this
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was this something that was just said to the reporter well i don't know but the point is that
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the journalist had a basis to go forward he had a reasonable belief so i think the fact it's going
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to go to a court is really interesting uh will those sources testify i don't know they're national
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security sources they have to keep themselves anonymous they probably won't but to warren's point
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you know it'll it'll get its hearing and that is what the law is for yeah and we'll get we'll get a
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lot more information out of that court process as well with with any luck but uh carl just a last
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point to you on this foreign interference file we've seen you know the senate put through some
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legislation here just you know six or seven short weeks it's been you know a very short amount of
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time here is this enough to kind of fix the big issues that we've been talking about for for
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several months now no because uh you know treason is already in the books uh so the issue is not
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that the decision is wrong they're doing that they're making this happen because they're trying
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to have a response to uh something that they've not been able to manage politically and and there's
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a reason why the liberals were brought uh kicking and screaming towards a public inquiry is because
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they knew they were they were opening a pandora's box and uh anyone who's work on parliament hill
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knows that you know the diplomatic circuit uh it's part of the game and that mps and political staffers
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talk to diplomats and they go to events and they go to the nice receptions and they go to
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all kinds of things where diplomats uh are are present and and so where do you cross the line and
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and and this is where it gets interesting because uh you know uh these countries uh have people that
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are trying to influence the government of scott's policy they're lobbying uh in a way uh the way a
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corporation would uh but but sometimes uh clearly uh according to the reports we've heard
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mps are uh crossing the line senators are crossing the line by by doing things that go way beyond
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the simple exchange of information point of views and and trying to influence each other they're
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they're getting money uh they're getting lists of voters uh things like that is what we've heard
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and and and this is where uh i think the government needs to find a way to charge and prosecute these
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individuals if they've crossed that line the fact that they're being protected the fact that they're
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being uh hidden is not good doesn't serve the public uh interest and uh and uh you know saying
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that the that ceases uh has done this but that the rcmp needs to do this now i don't think it's good
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enough because these names are there and now we have party leaders i've seen them and they still
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don't say they still won't reveal and i i agree that you cannot go into some kind of megaturism
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kind of witch hunt but at the same time uh parliament is supreme parliament can't have its
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own process to deal with this and they're refusing to do it for political reasons we'll leave it there
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carl belanger tasha keratin and warren katella thank you so much for your time on this sunday i
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appreciate it have a great day thank you thank you go oilers coming up monday night i that's warren
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katella strategist and post media columnist you can read his latest in the toronto sign carl belanger
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is the president at traction strategies tasha keratin political columnist for the national
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i never ever wanted to get too close to you i didn't want to fall in love
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they told me all the stories that the boys and they're going and they died when you gave them
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a shove but i felt for you one and i'm feeling funny like maybe i'm an extra line
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cause you all told me that we were weird again that you were happy for the very first time
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i thought you'd be a blue eyes and i figured that you made it and that everybody else was lying
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and now you come and tell me that you really like me and you hope that we can still be friends
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i guess this time i guess this time i guess this time i'm just running out of luck
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cause i'm sure i'll never fuck your kind again
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now i know you never really love me anyway
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cause i'm sure i'll never fuck your kind again
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i never ever wanted to get too close to you
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they tell me all the stories of the boys and the glory
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but certainly maybe CSIS would like to peek into this summer camp
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and if you're wondering who is behind these so-called grassroot encampments
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this is what's being advertised by a group called
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Solidary for Palestine or Palestinian Human Rights
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this camp that starts next week on the McGill campus
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the fighters of the Palestine Liberation Organization
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all these like semi-automatic machine guns and stuff
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it looks like a page right out of a terror organization
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and I wouldn't know how CSIS is not looking into this
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I'm not that way, I'm not the only one who is the man