KINSELLACAST 317： A bad week for Joe and Justin, with Adler, Lilley, Kheiriddin, Brady, Belanger - plus Wilderado, Graduating Life, Hot Water Music, Michael Cera Palin, Joey Cape & Tony Sly
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Summary
This week on the Kinsella cast, Warren talks about Joe Biden's loss to Joe Biden, Justin Trudeau's by-election defeat, and why he's not happy about it. Plus, we're joined by Brian Lilly and Charles Adler to talk about why they think Joe Biden should have won the election.
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it's the Kinsella cast starring Warren Kinsella
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hey it's Warren welcome to the Kinsella cast I'm up in the woods up at the cabin with dogs
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he's on the way with Sinead the cat and we spent a couple days up here writing and doing other
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things taking it easy and it rained like hell last night and said like this place has got a metal
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roof so it's like sleeping under a snare drum it was pretty loud but I can't complain not true
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of Justin Trudeau and Joe Biden however they can complain about their lot and so I've got them on
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the little graphic for this week's podcast both of them had big big losses this week
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and with all kinds of ramifications for both men and so the week concluded with both men being
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urged to depart by members of their own party for different reasons so we'll talk about that
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with Brian Lilly and Charles Adler Charles is back very happy about that Tasha Carradine Carl Belanger
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today Greg Brady and I talking before the by-election and I wanted to play that for you
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you can see Warren gets things wrong Warren often gets things wrong so you know humiliate me come at
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me and some great music um Will Dorado it's great great song called Bad Luck just love this tune
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then a bit more punky with graduation life uh graduating life not graduation life a band that
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was unknown to me and was stinky man hot water music who I've seen a million times it's got Canadian
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content there's a proud boy from Whitby in the hot water music trusty chords from an EP that I've got
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probably the first thing I bought about hot water music 20 years ago I think band with a great name
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and uh covering a song I'm not going to tell you the song I want you to figure out who um it's the cover
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of but it it's really well done and um and then uh two guys uh Joey Cape is the front man
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of this band called Lag Wagon I'm not wild about and Tony Sly was um the front man of another band
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called no you uh no use for a name he's gone now I mean the two of them did this song and this can
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show you we punk rockers were capable of getting in an acoustic guitar as well as the next guy
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or gal and um so their song violins so good show I think I think you're gonna like um maybe it'll make
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you happy but again Justin and Joe not happy and you know full disclosure you guys know I supported
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Obama worked for Hillary different states worked at our headquarters worked the phones for Joe during
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the pandemic so I'm kind of I've always been a Democrat definitely not involved in a Canadian
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political parties anymore I don't think I I should be and be a newspaper columnist
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um so I'm a Democrat and um you know I I like Joe Biden I have great affection for him
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I wanted to get rid of Donald Trump the whole world did and Joe was the reason for that but also
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because he is a good and decent man and he you know he reminded me a lot of Jean Chrétien
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Chrétien older than his opponents mangled grammar and syntax underestimated all the time
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well Chrétien did okay and Biden reminded me of that you know and you know both guys won when
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everybody said they wouldn't so um like Joe Biden anyway Thursday night
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like the rest of the world I was said I wasn't expecting Biden to do a home run
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um you know it's hard to get a word in edgewise when you're surrounded by
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what you're you've got beside you're debating in quotation marks this maniac on meth this monkey
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with a machine gun um but it was terrible and I was depressed and no I was shocked then I was
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depressed now I'm angry I'll tell you why in a minute like it was the worst fucking political
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debate in the history of political debates Trump looked insane and was insane but Biden looked like
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something was really wrong and you know so you know people are saying oh well you know Trump has
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been in decline too but and my point is yeah but so what right everybody knows he's a maniac that's
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why a lot of people vote for him because they're maniacs too they want somebody who's going to break
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government and like he he was himself but Joe was not himself and you know I suspect like a lot of
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people I started googling afterwards because I couldn't sleep what I saw this shadow of a man
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shadow of his former self pale halting stiff not finishing sentences losing his train of thought
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um just a couple times he even had his mouth hanging open I was yelling at the tv close your mouth close
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your mouth look down use the pad of paper use the pen that they gave you and you know somebody said to
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me it was it was like Parkinson's and it and it kind of looks like that but who knows anyway um
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Trudeau I think was happy with it and I talk about that on CFRE and with Brian and Adler because
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I really do think now a lot of people in Canada hoped and believed that Biden was going to win I don't
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think Biden can win now it was that bad and that helps Trudeau because you don't a lot you don't a lot
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of people don't want Pierre Polyev as prime minister if Donald Trump's in the White House
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wasn't just a disaster for us citizens however like NATO it's gone if Trump comes back
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um Ukraine it's gone Baltic states gone Taiwan gone European Union retreats into itself
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and it's becoming crazy there I mean the Tories are going to lose in Britain this week but Macron is
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going to lose I think a lot of space to the national front anyway so it worries lots of people
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Trump coming back you know and this notion that Gavin Newsom or whoever can step in and take over
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you can't like you know in the 25th amendment the presidency goes to Kamala Harris that's just the way
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it works and she's even less popular than Joe at the moment so the only way they can pull this off
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in the next five weeks or so is a contested convention and I don't know if they can do that
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because they seem to be in denial and I'm mad at those people White House staff Democratic
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establishment some of Biden's family they clearly lied to us about Joe Biden's fitness for another term
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they lied like the FDR deception nothing compared to this but anyway on this Canada Day weekend
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thank God I'm a Canadian thank God you're a Canadian and thank God we live here
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happiness seems to happen less when you go where the seasons best winter snows and summer sets
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sad love boy I don't be shy I had a roll in the lonely night of alcohol and cigarettes
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but if it goes well you find another find a hotel you try another try you can sell they run in the corners of their own hair
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father son and the Holy Ghost who's the one that we need the most as easy come easy go
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these pills shaking in my head just make me feel
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there's no such thing as you scare people with the
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you're always in the sense that thoughts into a
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well it's going to be difficult effectively because i mean there's a new the new trend in
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in canada is to have long leadership race now it doesn't need to be long like it could it could
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happen in two months it could happen three months trudeau could resign now and could have a new
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leader by the fall uh is it going to happen i don't know i don't think so because i think trudeau
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still wants to fight well yeah i think trudeau still believe that he's got it in him to defeat
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pierre poiliev and he wants to have that fight and to be fair um right now if you look at the polling
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a lot of voters say they'd like trudeau to go but when you poll different candidates to replace
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trudeau nobody does better than him so why would you change leader in the laws in losing cause
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for somebody that could lose even even worse than trudeau that could be the the best of a bad
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situation in some senses but i guess warren from what we've seen with from all the the well current
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liberal mp and one in caucus that's been speaking out but a couple of other past mps that have been
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speaking out as well saying that that trudeau needs to go here do you think we're going to
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continue to see that that pressure on the prime minister to to make a decision yes probably um
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you know they're going to be looking at the polls to see if there's any change again but for you know
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more than a year there hasn't been they've been behind by 15 or 20 points and what started to
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happen this week it's not panic you know to use the word you used andrew but you know i've been
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through this before i went through this with mr kretchen when i was working for him you know it's
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like one member of caucus a member of the senate you know a couple former candidates a couple people
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nobody's ever heard of these things it's like being nibbled to death by a thousand ducks it's slow
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right they do a build and they do it that way to see how you're going to react or if it's going to work
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because you don't they were working on putting together that matter on friday members of caucus
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they did have many people who were willing to sign it and then they got cold feet at the end so that's
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why you just saw one liberal mp do it but they you know i was being told i was getting messages from
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from people saying watch at lunchtime on friday watch at lunchtime something big's coming and then it
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was this one mp nobody had ever heard of and it was like oh well you know that's kind of fizzled but
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again you know they have to take it seriously because this is how these things start they start
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slow and tasha just from the the liberals perspective as i mentioned it might be a little
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bit tough to get a leadership campaign up uh in going right now still does fairly well in polling
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when it comes head-to-head to to peer polyam but you know just this seriously question i guess that
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true to his viability as far as um the the candidate here to lead the party in the next election
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yeah i think it's it's he's got he's got some serious choices to make here because it is the
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death by a thousand cuts or death by a thousand ducks that's maybe more interesting that warren raised
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there um that he's facing otherwise it's going to be very hard to manage a caucus that is actively
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you know looking for the exit because you've got to get candidates for the next election and if you've
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got people thinking they're going to lose well they may start thinking about not running again
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um looking for other options in the private sector before they go down to defeat uh all sorts of
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things so your party's going to become unmanageable that's a big risk um so trudeau has to to weigh all
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that and yes other candidates aren't polling higher right now um but you know he he's facing almost
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the same the same choice that macron faced in france and we're france is having elections today
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because macron said okay my party got a shellacking in the european parliament elections we're going to
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go for an election right now let's do it like let's gloves are off and people are shocked and he's
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probably going to lose but the but you don't know and the point is that trudeau could do that trudeau
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could pull the plug and call an election and say you know what you've all lost faith in me let's go
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and see what happens and i think what's happening in the u.s is actually we're going to talk about that
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too but i think it's actually going to help trudeau in a way because now the fear is
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we're going to be facing donald trump in the u.s and that's changing the game for the entire world
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including canada so um you know anything could happen but that is i think something he might even
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consider is saying let's let's just do it rip the band-aid off it's a very interesting boy i do want
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to come back to that kind of u.s point as well carl i wanted to ask you just in terms of if you're the
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ndp here was looking at the results you know 11 of the vote here sorry yeah 11 of the vote here about
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4 000 votes uh are you concerned if you're a member of the ndp watching the the shellacking
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that uh the ndp also kind of received on the end of this as well because they have been propping up
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the liberal government do you think any of these results that we're seeing in toronto st paul have
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have any indication or um impact on on how the ndp is thinking uh i don't think so uh the ndp never
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does well in by-election where they don't have a fighting chance and nobody thought the ndp could pull
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this off now if they have invested um you know more resorters maybe they could have done something
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there but they didn't think they they would have a chance to win so they did not uh what's interesting
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is the by-election that's coming up in in la salle mar in montreal where they're running a popular
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city councilor craig sauve and you are hearing noises about even the liberals saying we're going to lose
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to these guys now if if jagmeet sings ndp wins that seat in quebec that is even bigger uh than
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than the liberals losing toronto st paul uh because i mean la salle mar is paul martin's old seat
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um they should not lose that but they are now talking openly so that national post about about
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the fact that they could lose that seat to the ndp who finished third last time and so if that happens
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um if you thought liberals were panicking this week just watch out yeah another interesting one
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i'll be watching as well as the the halifax by-election as well because uh kind of kind of
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goes back and forth between liberal and ndp a lot as well there has a a history there too just i wanted
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to squeeze in a couple of more topics one of them on the opposition leader of course uh pierre
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pauliev uh you know a lot of sunny ways for pierre pauliev right now when you're looking at the
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the poll numbers but uh was reading a piece in the hill times this week talking about he has
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the most potential here but there also is some concerns if if he were to fall into some some
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pitfalls here uh tasha i think you kind of alluded to the to the u.s trump aspect here but what would
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you tell pierre pauliev to avoid here over the next you know 12 months if you were advising him tasha
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um i would say it's it's a state of course make sure you have no bimbo eruptions as they used to be
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called uh or uh himbo eruptions of you know crazy stuff coming out of the party and um keep to
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message discipline so you know i think that that's the economy it's crime those are the two big
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issues that have resonated so far um i think that uh you know his his challenge will be exactly that
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avoiding the deus ex machina and that could be from within the party or it could be things like
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the donald trump they need a strategy to deal with that um and that's something i'm sure they
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already contemplated but they they i think have to really stay on top of that one because that is one
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of the only cards i think the liberals can actually play um and uh the liberals being desperate they
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will probably play it hard in some way shape or form yeah yeah i think we've already seen them
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kind of kind of play it hard thus far i guess uh warren kind of the same question but maybe phrased a
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little bit differently i guess what's the biggest kind of risk or pitfall that pierre pauliev could
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fall into with you know 20 points up in the polls well before i answer that question i just want to
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applaud tasha for using latin on talk radio radio we're educating here i've been doing this stuff for a long
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time but i don't think i've ever heard that before so i'm delighted to hear latin um i think it's what
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she said earlier in english um like there's one canadian on thursday night you know i was you know
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full disclosure i worked for biden as a volunteer in um the campaign that made him president and so
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i'm biased but i was sitting there i couldn't sleep you know you're you get all jazzed up you get all
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kind of messed up you know when you're waiting for election results hard to fall asleep and i was
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like who's happy about this obviously the republicans i thought you know what justin trudeau's happy
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tonight because now it is real and you know all next day and actually in all subsequent days i've
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been hearing from canadians you know not americans who are really concerned now like this is real like
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right now donald trump's gonna win he was winning going into the debate when those polls come out
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showing the debate reaction like the big serious polls i think a lot of canadians are going to be
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very very worried and the question they're going to ask themselves and trudeau's going to help them
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along do you want pierre polyevre as prime minister when you have donald trump as president
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and i'm already hearing from a lot of people saying no i don't want that i was happy to vote for
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polyevre stay home if it was biden coming back i thought biden was going to come back
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well now everything's changed i think trudeau's happy about that hey no question it definitely
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helps uh well with their strategy that they've been maintaining so far i want to come back to
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the u.s uh in a second but uh carl pierre polyev up in the polls huge as we mentioned you know
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it almost seems like a coronation in some quarters but the idea what do you think is still out there at
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risk for pierre polyevre when it comes to canadians heading to the polls and voting for him
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when a ship is sinking you have to get out of the way and the danger is that probably everyone
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that ship to think so bad that people try to help it think and and sometimes when you do that you
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you're offering a boy to to the to the sinking ship and so so tasha's right like they have to stay
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the course and keep saying what they're saying but temptation will be hard to say more things and
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to push their own agenda and this is where you know we've seen it in the past the bozo eruption
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happen where people are so confident they're so cocky that they they say things that gives a
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lifeline to the sinking ship's captain and this is what could happen the danger is right there
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so avoid to say those things be very disciplined stay focused on your message that has been working
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uh because if you get out of that track uh you will maybe give a fighting chance to the liberals
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and uh as i said we've seen that happen in the past sounds easy on paper it's uh it's a little
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tougher in real life we'll see how it kind of scores out and i guess just well i've got you guys for a
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few more minutes the the the um uh presidential debates out of the border we've alluded to it several
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times just to kind of talk about that a little bit i warn you alluded to how kind of um uh your bias
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towards joe biden which is kind of why i kind of wanted to ask you in a sense is this a you know
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panic overblown right now or is there serious concerns here for the electorate and for the
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democratic party about uh joe biden's uh ability to be president well i earlier said liberals shouldn't
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panic um after saint paul's democrats should panic about this and so should nato and the european union
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and ukraine and the baltic states and possibly israel those people should panic we should panic
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because of what trump's been saying about trade and nato like it it is a disaster you know and i
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love joe biden i have great affection for him i work for him i believe in him you know i've worked
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for an old guy who mangled grammar and people you know uh underestimated all the time and that guy did
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okay you can't come back from the 90 minutes of disaster we saw uh somebody who a lot of people
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of affection for as well who's clearly ailing and so you know i kind of went from like it was like
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kubler ross's you know five stages after death like i was depressed and then no i was shocked then i was
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depressed now i'm angry because what i believe is biden's family his senior aides and senior democratic
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people hid from the rest of us the full extent of this man's decline they participated in a fraud
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and that fraud was was exposed on thursday night but they're not gonna be able to put that genie
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back in the bottle like it's it's real and he it's cruel to him to put him up as the candidate again
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but it looks like they're determined to do it there's five weeks left to have a contested convention
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and i know it's a hail mary pass but that's the only way out i think at this point otherwise
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you're gonna have trump as president just a quick follow is it kamala harris that's the natural you
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know candidate here war what's your thoughts on that no her numbers are worse than his under the
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25th amendment like if he if joe god help him drops dead or you know just quits under the 25th
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amendment it she automatically becomes president but that's you know more of the same problem
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um you know because i think a lot of american motors quite frankly are sexist
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so uh because i work for hillary and i experienced that close hand so no i think you've got five
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weeks here where biden says i'm gonna leave i'm gonna remain president until the swearing in and
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we're gonna have an open contested convention like we used to and i'm gonna free up my delegates go
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where they want and then newsome goes and shapiro and you know whitmer and whoever they all run and
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it's an open convention will be the biggest televised event since the moon landing
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and um it'll really help it'll really help these guys out but that's the only way out at this point
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you could throw mayor pete into that mix as well i'm sure it would be fascinating to watch a final
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kind of uh a showdown there uh carl just your your thoughts on just see i guess just your initial
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reaction watching the debate i think everybody was kind of taking it back a little bit on thursday
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night it was like watching the two old guys from the muppet show it was incredible like i keep
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calling it cringe fest 2024 at the beginning it was bad enough when when when uh biden like said
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proclaimed that he beat medicare somehow and and and trump you know jumped on that say yeah you beat
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it to death and and and then at the end of the show they're arguing about their golf swing and their
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handicap what was that it was embarrassing and you know you know the one who was laughing was
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Vladimir Putin he must have been watching that was like laughing hard and slapping his his knees and
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and and and just think like these guys are the leaders of the free world really and and this is
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where it's so disheartening for people who are outside of this process looking at this because uh you
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know the presidential debate back in the days used to be a very important moment where you saw guys with
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different vision for sure but but guys that were credible and what the american voters saw in the
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world saw is two guys that were not credible one because he's a pathological liar and a criminal to
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boot and the other guy it was so much out of it i'm not sure if what was worse when he was talking or
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when he was not yeah definitely i think you hit all the points there i tasha when it comes to i guess
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yeah i guess your your initial reaction they say it's it's just something we we don't see in
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politics so i think it was that more shot that much more shocking well i pitied biden and people
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don't vote out of pity right you can't have someone who's pitiful running the free world to that point
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um so i echo what my colleague said i think to add to that is the fact that um it's not just putin
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who's rubbing his hands together i'm more worried about xi jinping if i were in taiwan right now i'd be
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super nervous because um there's weakness in the white house and that you know that that weakness
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is i i mean exploit it right while it's still there um so i think that this is setting setting
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the dominoes up to fall in a really bad way unless the democrats change horses and unless they
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succeed in winning the white house with someone who is a strong leader who can tackle the issues and
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who can survive the next term i mean i think biden honestly in the last term basically killed him in
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the sense of like physically it's draining look at obama looked even you know gray-haired and tired
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when he left office and he was a young man um it is cruel to keep that man as the candidate is
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absolutely cruel and it's it's it's putting everyone and democracy in peril quite frankly
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as warren mentioned five weeks till uh uh that convention happening so we'll see if anything
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happens between now and then but we'll leave it there for this morning uh carl belanger warren
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kinsella tasha keratin thank you so much for your time i really appreciate it have a happy canada
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day long weekend thanks guys bye as you heard president attraction strategies carl belanger
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strategist post media columnist you can read his latest see the toronto set he is warren kinsella
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and political columnist for the national post writer for g0 media and author tasha keratin
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Okay, it's voting day in Toronto St. Paul's
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Carolyn Bennett has been the MP in that riding since 1997
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I know you're wondering over your cornflakes this morning
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And Jean Chrétien raised the Progressive Conservatives
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It is not going to be a Liberal blowout tonight
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Our next guest wrote an op-ed in the Toronto Sun
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I'm sure that she was tempted to do other things in life
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Most people have had enough after seven years, Warren
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So it didn't really matter who your candidate was
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And they're going to wipe you out everywhere else
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But the NDP have really never been in play here
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They've done some innovative campaigning things
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I bring out the worst in you, and you try to let me know.
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You bring out the worst in me, anxiety, anxiety.
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I'm trying hard to let you go, but you say I'm giving you the creeps, but I assume the role, open my claws, and grasp for your heart.
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How are you? How have you been? Will I miss you? Won't I kill you again? Into you.
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Like a moral stake, so vindictive. You're not slipping away.