kinsellacast - KINSELLACAST 319： America at war - with itself, with Adler, Lilley, Kheiriddin, Belanger plus hits from November 1971

00:00:00.000 it's the Kinsella cast starring

00:00:07.680 Warren Kinsella

00:00:09.060 Hey, it's Warren

00:00:17.720 and welcome to the Kinsella cast

00:00:19.280 really good show today

00:00:23.180 Charles Adler, Brian Milley, Tasha

00:00:26.040 Gary, Carl Wollonger

00:00:27.280 and for reasons I can't fully explain

00:00:32.320 music that charted

00:00:34.020 in Canada, US or Britain

00:00:36.680 in November 1971

00:00:38.060 why did I pick that

00:00:40.000 as the date? I don't know

00:00:42.160 there's some good tunes for that

00:00:44.220 that month, Jeepster by T-Rex

00:00:47.140 was the last

00:00:48.660 wrong star in my opinion

00:00:50.360 Isaac Hayes, King of Shaft

00:00:52.560 the one song

00:00:55.360 that my kind of one

00:00:57.480 him wonder band

00:00:58.400 which you'll recognize right away

00:00:59.680 Rod Stewart

00:01:01.020 he's not the one

00:01:02.680 he wanted

00:01:03.060 some good stuff

00:01:05.120 so

00:01:06.220 I'll take the wheel here

00:01:09.600 just for a bit

00:01:11.300 why?

00:01:12.820 well, you guys don't come here

00:01:14.460 to get my analysis

00:01:15.520 of how well the Secret Service

00:01:17.000 do their job

00:01:17.820 although if you ask me

00:01:19.740 you kind of do

00:01:21.220 I think the Secret Service

00:01:22.640 will be considered

00:01:23.460 a full-fledged member

00:01:24.780 of the deep state

00:01:25.660 before the sun goes down

00:01:26.960 tonight

00:01:27.320 if they aren't already

00:01:28.300 I'm not an expert

00:01:30.080 on the Secret Service

00:01:31.620 or how to protect

00:01:32.680 presidents, premiers

00:01:33.680 and prime ministers

00:01:34.960 and I've gotten

00:01:36.340 believe me

00:01:37.200 I've gotten lots of

00:01:37.780 incredible death threats

00:01:38.580 over the years too

00:01:39.240 so I've interacted

00:01:40.120 with police

00:01:40.800 and security experts

00:01:42.600 and I learned a long time ago

00:01:44.400 to defer to their expertise

00:01:45.900 and judgment

00:01:46.700 metal man

00:01:48.420 or in the Secret Service

00:01:50.520 and never in

00:01:51.220 for a rough summer

00:01:52.140 and you don't come here

00:01:54.740 for my take

00:01:55.520 on U.S. gun laws either

00:01:56.980 I consciously stopped

00:01:58.480 commenting

00:01:59.140 on mass shootings

00:02:00.220 in the United States

00:02:01.100 years ago

00:02:01.860 I figured that

00:02:02.980 if the mass murder

00:02:04.240 of 25 year old children

00:02:07.380 at Sandy Hook

00:02:08.460 didn't change

00:02:09.560 the United States

00:02:10.340 nothing would

00:02:11.100 not the shooting

00:02:12.780 of presidents

00:02:13.440 or presidential candidates

00:02:14.760 either

00:02:15.120 they'll continue

00:02:16.860 to kill each other

00:02:17.760 because they are a nation

00:02:19.000 at war

00:02:19.640 with themselves

00:02:20.920 like

00:02:22.840 if a

00:02:23.720 20 year old

00:02:26.300 who hasn't even

00:02:27.040 voted yet

00:02:27.720 can get his hands

00:02:28.640 on an assault rifle

00:02:29.740 anyway

00:02:31.520 so anyway

00:02:32.840 you don't come here

00:02:33.580 for any of that

00:02:34.460 you come here

00:02:35.800 to get my political take

00:02:37.040 because I've been involved

00:02:38.020 in politics

00:02:39.120 for a long time

00:02:39.940 so here it is

00:02:41.120 five things

00:02:41.660 number one

00:02:42.220 it's 113 days

00:02:43.920 until Americans

00:02:44.660 line up to vote

00:02:45.440 Donald Trump

00:02:46.920 was already ahead

00:02:48.200 and he'll be

00:02:49.640 even more ahead

00:02:50.460 now

00:02:50.780 but

00:02:51.200 but

00:02:51.780 but

00:02:52.220 it's 113 days

00:02:53.760 which is several

00:02:54.480 lifetimes in politics

00:02:55.540 so he'll say

00:02:56.560 and do something outrageous

00:02:58.380 and it'll tighten up

00:02:59.500 a bit

00:02:59.840 but as Brian Lilly

00:03:01.180 and Charles Adler

00:03:02.040 and Tasha Carradine

00:03:03.040 said to me

00:03:04.240 this morning

00:03:04.880 it'll make Trump's base

00:03:06.600 even more convinced

00:03:07.860 that he is the

00:03:08.740 literal messiah

00:03:09.720 it'll firm up his vote

00:03:11.580 big time

00:03:12.360 and he's going to

00:03:13.680 enter the Republican

00:03:14.500 convention this week

00:03:15.400 even stronger

00:03:16.060 than he was before

00:03:16.960 which is to say

00:03:17.700 strong

00:03:18.300 the vote may be

00:03:19.880 113 days away

00:03:21.280 but he's the one

00:03:22.540 to beat

00:03:22.880 right now

00:03:24.020 two

00:03:24.420 Joe Biden

00:03:26.120 who I worked for

00:03:26.800 last time

00:03:27.480 has pulled his ads

00:03:28.880 changed his schedule

00:03:29.780 and is laying low

00:03:30.680 now he was already

00:03:31.520 going to lay low

00:03:32.140 during the GOP convention

00:03:33.500 sure

00:03:33.900 but now

00:03:34.920 Democrats are going

00:03:35.760 to be agonizing

00:03:36.600 over every damn

00:03:37.440 thing they do

00:03:38.140 their internal debates

00:03:39.700 which had already

00:03:40.640 spilled out into

00:03:41.360 the open

00:03:41.880 after Biden's

00:03:43.200 disastrous

00:03:43.880 presidential debate

00:03:45.460 are going to get

00:03:46.720 a lot more challenging

00:03:47.660 abortion and Trump

00:03:49.100 will continue to work

00:03:50.220 for them

00:03:50.560 as a strategy

00:03:51.340 I think

00:03:51.800 that hasn't changed

00:03:52.780 but the other attack

00:03:54.100 the one about

00:03:54.880 the importance

00:03:55.420 of democracy

00:03:56.220 that one is now

00:03:57.580 a lot harder

00:03:58.480 Republicans will say

00:04:00.340 American democracy

00:04:01.880 is ruined

00:04:02.520 and after an attempt

00:04:03.740 to assassination

00:04:04.360 of their candidate

00:04:05.220 last night

00:04:05.860 lots of people

00:04:06.720 are going to agree

00:04:07.200 with them

00:04:07.620 number three

00:04:09.080 I think

00:04:09.980 NATO

00:04:10.740 the EU

00:04:11.840 America's allies

00:04:13.240 American governmental

00:04:14.400 institutions

00:04:14.980 will start treating

00:04:15.860 Trump

00:04:16.240 like he's already

00:04:17.300 president

00:04:17.720 you can see that

00:04:19.000 in their post-shooting

00:04:20.000 comments

00:04:20.620 last night

00:04:21.380 they think

00:04:22.320 he's won now

00:04:23.060 they're going to

00:04:24.980 start changing

00:04:25.680 their approach

00:04:26.360 to him

00:04:27.140 they didn't want him

00:04:28.580 but they think

00:04:29.580 Trump is what

00:04:30.160 they're going to get

00:04:30.760 so lights out

00:04:32.100 NATO

00:04:32.520 Ukraine

00:04:33.100 Taiwan

00:04:33.600 free trade

00:04:34.180 those are gone

00:04:35.180 when and if

00:04:36.360 he wins

00:04:36.880 and they all

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00:04:38.200 number four

00:04:39.000 Justin Trudeau

00:04:40.040 Canada's prime

00:04:41.200 minister is running

00:04:41.960 out of time

00:04:42.520 and he has run

00:04:44.020 out of moves

00:04:44.440 he threw everything

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00:04:46.560 kitchen sink

00:04:47.920 included

00:04:48.380 nothing worked

00:04:49.760 all that he had

00:04:50.960 left was a possible

00:04:52.300 Trump win

00:04:53.140 because I'm sorry

00:04:54.080 conservative friends

00:04:55.720 many Canadians

00:04:57.600 won't want

00:04:58.760 Pierre Polyev

00:04:59.540 in the prime

00:05:00.020 minister's office

00:05:00.760 when Donald Trump

00:05:01.880 is in the oval

00:05:02.520 office

00:05:02.960 they'll want

00:05:04.140 an alternative

00:05:04.780 to the craziness

00:05:06.300 they believe

00:05:06.960 correctly

00:05:07.560 is coming

00:05:08.600 our way

00:05:09.100 is it enough

00:05:10.300 to narrow

00:05:10.740 a 20 point

00:05:11.480 gap

00:05:11.860 no

00:05:12.700 not right now

00:05:13.940 but it'll

00:05:14.580 make a difference

00:05:15.320 Canadians are

00:05:16.500 big believers

00:05:17.400 in alternation

00:05:18.580 you know

00:05:19.300 team red

00:05:19.920 at one level

00:05:20.560 team blue

00:05:21.120 at the other

00:05:21.540 level

00:05:21.900 like even

00:05:22.800 Calgarians

00:05:23.940 I'm a Calgarian

00:05:24.800 you know

00:05:26.100 Calgarians have

00:05:26.660 been electing

00:05:27.180 Tory premiers

00:05:27.900 and liberal

00:05:28.520 mayors

00:05:29.060 for decades

00:05:30.100 Trump

00:05:31.660 coming back

00:05:32.480 will spook

00:05:33.160 Canadian voters

00:05:34.180 and Trudeau

00:05:35.220 will make

00:05:35.640 full and

00:05:36.220 frequent use

00:05:36.960 of a second

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00:05:39.060 believe it

00:05:40.020 number five

00:05:41.440 we live

00:05:42.760 in a dangerous

00:05:43.520 world

00:05:43.940 a world

00:05:44.720 made more

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00:05:46.020 than I can

00:05:47.180 ever remember

00:05:48.200 and as

00:05:49.620 somebody said

00:05:50.420 to me

00:05:50.720 when we went

00:05:51.180 in for dinner

00:05:51.560 last night

00:05:52.000 when all this

00:05:52.420 happened

00:05:52.780 we're seeing

00:05:53.540 things in 2024

00:05:54.400 that we all

00:05:55.100 thought we'd

00:05:55.460 never see again

00:05:56.360 and an assassin's

00:05:58.540 bullet

00:05:58.820 made everything

00:06:00.260 more dangerous

00:06:01.200 we are heading

00:06:03.200 into a dark

00:06:04.340 dark place

00:06:05.640 my friends

00:06:06.300 and no one

00:06:07.540 has the wheel

00:06:26.360 you're so sweet

00:06:29.260 you're so fine

00:06:32.100 I want your

00:06:34.060 all and everything

00:06:35.440 just to be mine

00:06:36.860 because you're

00:06:37.380 my baby

00:06:38.380 because you're

00:06:42.480 my love

00:06:43.580 oh girl

00:06:48.400 I'm just a

00:06:49.280 dreamster

00:06:49.820 for your love

00:06:51.820 you slide so good

00:07:02.600 with bones so fair

00:07:05.140 you've got the universe

00:07:08.040 reclining in your hair

00:07:09.980 cause you're my baby

00:07:11.400 yes you're my love

00:07:16.480 oh girl

00:07:21.280 I'm just a dreamster

00:07:22.680 for your love

00:07:25.820 just let her call

00:07:35.360 you're pleasing

00:07:36.640 to behold

00:07:37.840 I'll call you

00:07:39.980 jaguar

00:07:40.880 if I may be so

00:07:42.480 old

00:07:42.880 cause you're my babe

00:07:44.200 yes you're my love

00:07:49.380 oh girl

00:07:54.180 I'm just a

00:07:55.080 dreamster

00:07:55.580 for your love

00:07:58.660 the wild ones below

00:08:23.660 upon the frozen cheeks

00:08:26.280 the way you flip

00:08:28.460 your hip

00:08:29.180 it always makes me

00:08:30.620 weak

00:08:31.020 cause you're my babe

00:08:32.420 yes you're my love

00:08:37.660 oh girl

00:08:42.460 I'm just a dreamster

00:08:43.860 for your love

00:08:46.460 alright

00:08:48.340 your motivation

00:08:56.320 your motivation

00:08:56.380 is so sweet

00:08:58.920 your vibrations

00:09:01.520 are burning

00:09:02.820 on my feet

00:09:03.920 cause you're my babe

00:09:05.260 yes you're my love

00:09:10.360 oh girl

00:09:14.740 oh girl

00:09:15.140 I'm just a jeepster

00:09:16.540 for your love

00:09:18.740 oh girl

00:09:18.900 I'm just a vampire

00:09:24.240 for your love

00:09:26.940 and I'm gonna suck you

00:09:29.040 me

00:09:29.720 yeah

00:09:30.500 työ

00:09:35.040 ma

00:09:39.380 oob

00:09:44.380 əəəəəəəəəəəəəəəəəəə!

00:09:44.620 Ha ha ha ha...

00:10:02.960 Whaaaaa!

00:10:07.640 P Hills!

00:10:14.620 and we're back and it was one of those where were you moments uh we were out for dinner with

00:10:22.980 some friends in bloomfield and brian and his gal were just chilling and hanging out with chloe the

00:10:30.500 dog and all of us got the news so brian what was your reaction when you got the news uh well

00:10:39.000 immediately i knew i had to go back to work um that's what happens for my line of work something

00:10:45.300 happens you start writing uh but yeah we're just sitting over at st mike's uh college at university

00:10:53.320 of toronto sitting in a nice grassy area watching chloe roll around in the grass early evening it's a

00:11:00.040 it's a beautiful calm night toronto and then the text messages start coming in and

00:11:05.040 um you know i i know there's lots of people criticizing the early headlines but early on

00:11:12.440 people didn't know what it was i had to get home to listen to solid audio before i could say for sure

00:11:17.740 yeah that's gunshots you think it is um but we've been around enough crazy events you say well let's

00:11:24.800 be sure before you go publish something but as soon as you could hear the the clear audio you knew gun

00:11:31.300 shots were going off and then it became a case of okay what just happened and that sure doesn't

00:11:37.580 stop the psychos does it like because after i think it was you told me first and then uh via text and

00:11:45.520 then i went over to twitter or formerly twitter now x and the second most trending word was staged

00:11:54.020 and i'm like are you guys fucking kidding me yeah we don't even know what's going on here and

00:11:58.780 you're already calling it staged like it's just like people this rush to judgment on social media

00:12:05.780 and you think people have learned by now but but some of them sure haven't well and then you had

00:12:10.840 people lamenting that including a doctor at the university of british columbia who teaches people

00:12:17.440 in a course on the practice of medicine to save lives yeah lamenting the fact that he wasn't killed

00:12:25.000 and and saying what a glorious day it could have been you are a ghoul you know you know that i i don't

00:12:34.100 support either candidate in the states because i think they are bad for canada i do not wish either

00:12:41.380 one of them to be shot dead uh you know i have no reference point for this i i had somebody respond to

00:12:48.060 the piece that i wrote for the the front page of the sun today saying oh you're you're a bit overwrought here

00:12:53.000 you obviously didn't live through the 1960s no i didn't i was born in 1971 but guess what i know

00:12:59.240 what happened and the shooting of jfk rfk martin luther king jr those were not good things

00:13:04.920 and neither was the shooting of reagan and in the 80s um political violence is not the answer

00:13:14.220 we don't know much about this guy uh people are trying to figure out i think we've got his name now

00:13:20.420 um and they're trying to figure out a a motive uh i i think there's got to be a lot of questions

00:13:28.200 about how you let someone get within 150 yards of the president with the rifle i know he was outside

00:13:34.460 of the perimeter um but you know i've been at these events and and i know enough to i haven't been to a

00:13:42.500 presidential event like this but i've been to big events including with presidents and i'm always

00:13:48.580 fascinated by where the snipers set up and i look for them and i would have thought that a position

00:13:53.720 like that would have been one of the places that they had their own guy not somewhere they'd have

00:13:58.740 to take out the bad guy yeah i think the secret service are going to have a very very bad summer

00:14:05.260 because they've already announced congressional inquiries and so on and and properly so

00:14:10.720 yeah you know i'm no ballistics expert either and i wasn't there either but it's like seriously

00:14:17.080 guys he's up on the roof and you got people telling you that he's climbing up onto the roof

00:14:21.180 with an assault rifle and and so there's that and then the other thing that it's just talking

00:14:26.440 he hasn't even voted yet didn't even vote if if we've got the right person and he's got an assault

00:14:32.300 rifle it's like well i i don't think you know a teenager should get an assault rifle you know without

00:14:38.360 you fully checking him out but i mean uh cfra this morning i just kind of googled mass shootings

00:14:44.420 july 2024 in the united states like i couldn't even fit them on the same screen there's been so

00:14:50.100 many in the united states like it just it really feels they are they do have the different approach

00:14:56.300 than we do to these types of issues and this is i think reminded me of that last night

00:15:01.520 i yeah i don't think we need more gun laws in canada in fact i think ours are a bit too onerous and

00:15:07.720 always on the guys who have been checked out and vetted and uh and done the background checks

00:15:13.760 and not enough on the the criminals but the united states it's vastly different i remember years ago

00:15:19.400 walking into a a store at a port in alaska and there was an ar behind the wall or hanging on the

00:15:28.640 wall and i said to the guy what would i need to do to give you to walk out of here with that he said

00:15:33.500 well the price tag says 1485 give me that it's yours but that's it he said i think i've been to

00:15:40.580 that store in alaska actually right i'm coming off a cruise ship i'm i'm not a local you just hand it

00:15:46.640 to me yep yeah so i you know i i find that a bit odd we we have a more balanced approach i i saw that

00:15:55.040 you posted jimmy breslin's last line from the assassination of john lennon yeah and yeah i think

00:16:02.240 my apologies those are the noises of toronto going off in the background the sirens uh they're

00:16:08.000 uh time timely and perfect actually the the uh what one of the bizarre things this morning just

00:16:14.760 like last night people were either cheering or minimizing it saying it didn't happen is

00:16:18.940 well he wasn't shot it was part of a teleprompter that hit him does that make it any better and and how

00:16:28.040 why would like the piece of teleprompter didn't magically fly off on its own and hit him

00:16:33.660 oh it's a bullet there's there's an ap photograph where they slowed down and you see the bullet

00:16:40.980 whizzing past his head it was an assassination attempt that's why the fbi has said it was an

00:16:46.060 assassination attempt and we shouldn't have assassination attempts on our leaders or you know

00:16:51.660 and then and some poor citizen i don't know who they are it sounds like it was a man was killed he

00:16:58.120 was struck in the head by a bullet and and murdered man was shot in the head and then uh at least one

00:17:05.560 woman uh injured through her arm and i believe there were other injuries as well so uh still can't

00:17:12.940 believe the morning after that uh that that's something that uh that happened um you know thankfully

00:17:20.320 you know we had political leaders on all sides rightly condemning it president biden um he was

00:17:27.320 in saturday night mass when it happened apparently and yeah so and then came out and and reacted right

00:17:34.080 away but it's uh all right well let's talk about the crass thing because we have to because you went

00:17:41.300 back to work right away uh yes you you had to as you say and you know i'm getting ready for this podcast

00:17:47.880 and what am i going to say but guys like us are expected i guess to be a little bit crass in moments

00:17:54.440 like this it's 113 days to voting day and obviously we're all thankful that you know more people weren't

00:18:02.380 killed and hurt and that trump wasn't killed what does this do to the u.s presidential race in the year

00:18:10.360 2024 why had people immediately texting me well i guess this gets trump re-elected and i'm i'm not sure

00:18:20.160 um will he get some sympathy immediately absolutely uh frank luntz who's a well-known pollster long time

00:18:30.280 he was associated with the republican party i don't think he is anymore uh and he does a lot of focus

00:18:35.500 groups he does a lot of polling and what he says is that there will be some movement towards trump

00:18:42.400 out of sympathy but most of that will move back the difference will be is how motivated and determined

00:18:51.620 will trump's voters be to go out and cast a ballot versus biden's and he thinks that will the shooting

00:18:59.140 will make trump people much more determined to go out and he says that's worth one to two percentage

00:19:04.900 points of the vote and in a place like pennsylvania which is very tight which is a battleground state

00:19:11.160 that matters a lot i think that's a pretty good analysis i agree and they've got their convention

00:19:18.440 starting next week he's going to be entering that thing looking like the messiah like it's just his

00:19:23.620 vote is going to go bananas even more in support of the guy so i i was watching the setup for trump's

00:19:31.300 speech um before i took chloe out and then chloe just kept bugging me and bugging me so you know as

00:19:37.300 trump is coming on stage i'm leaving with chloe because you get that dog thing of dog owners no it's

00:19:43.960 like i need to go out so i take her out or i would have been watching it live but you know as they were

00:19:50.860 getting to to him coming on stage all the talk was will he announce the vice presidential pick because

00:19:56.940 he's got to do it before the convention starts on monday and uh so in addition to sympathy from this

00:20:05.200 he's going to be you know he's laid low since the debate with biden uh following the advice of when

00:20:11.460 your opponents taking a hole or harming themselves in some way don't interrupt but now all the attention

00:20:19.560 is going to be on him and in a very positive way convention is stage managed he gets his vice

00:20:24.500 presidential pick he gets the keynote address um and he's doing the convention in a battleground state

00:20:30.880 in wisconsin so the democrats have pulled their ads last night biden changed his schedule after he got

00:20:39.740 out of mass um they have issued an order to all democratic operatives and surrogates to

00:20:48.480 uh be very very careful what they say so they know that this is a big event this is a big event

00:20:56.080 and they they just it's also the right thing to do it yeah it feels odd talking or posting about

00:21:00.940 anything else so and yeah and then you know that's my reluctance even i dare to ask you the question but

00:21:06.760 we have to look at it what is he was at a political rally he's a politician and he was talking about

00:21:13.140 politics when he was shot and so what is the consequence of this we've talked about it helps

00:21:19.540 the republican ticket i think up and down the ticket does it hurt democrats per se i think the

00:21:26.560 president president biden said all the right things he he phoned trump to express uh support or sympathy or

00:21:34.720 whatever he did so that was all good and in america this morning if you go online like it's actually

00:21:41.520 they're fairly restrained to compare to how they usually are it was jd vance said something

00:21:46.620 completely ignorant but um you know he he decided who was to blame for it already but the democrats like

00:21:54.640 i don't it's going to be very difficult for them to figure out the right path in the next next few

00:22:00.220 days isn't it i think they just lay low and let the republicans hold their convention uh and then that

00:22:07.480 takes the discussion away from uh can uh is biden able to finish a sentence never mind the second

00:22:15.440 term uh which has been the discussion for the past couple of weeks biden's cognitive abilities is he in

00:22:22.440 decline uh and and by the way uh because we had talked about it last week i'm pulling up the same

00:22:28.520 polling aggregator as last week when i think the difference was up to around three points nationally

00:22:33.220 it's one point right now in the average of the last 10 polls trump's only ahead by one nationally

00:22:39.500 uh but then uh you know arizona ahead michigan tied nevada a five-point lead pennsylvania

00:22:49.020 right now average of the last five polls up to july 6th it's a 3.4 percent lead in pennsylvania

00:22:56.080 so uh for trump yes for trump it's um it's still a battleground despite biden's very bad two weeks

00:23:05.100 and uh so how this will play out we really can't tell but i think once is right uh republicans would

00:23:14.380 be more determined to vote to show whoever shot him and he according to some reports is a registered

00:23:21.200 republican from southern pennsylvania um yeah it'll make them more determined to go out

00:23:28.020 and vote but uh just biden should just lay low let trump have his uh his convention and then start

00:23:36.680 campaigning no i think that's good advice uh as usual they should listen to brian lily well thank you sir

00:23:43.860 um enjoy the day as much as you can and hopefully you don't get get called in into work in front of

00:23:51.460 your computer again uh but i suspect you will be so thank you for this have a great day and a great week

00:23:56.860 talk soon

00:24:13.860 um

00:24:27.260 in

00:24:34.460 Thank you.

00:25:04.460 Thank you.

00:25:34.460 Thank you.

00:26:04.460 Thank you.

00:26:34.460 Thank you.

00:27:04.460 Thank you.

00:27:34.460 Thank you.

00:28:04.460 Thank you.

00:28:34.460 And we're back. We're back with my friend Charles Adler. Charles, as I said to a couple people last night, this morning, it was one of those, where were you when, you know, it happened moments. Where were you when you got word that somebody tried to take Donald Trump's life?

00:28:49.880 I was with some people, I was with some people, I was with some people, I was with some people, I was with some guys that I tend to see every Saturday afternoon.

00:28:55.740 We're with some people, I was with somebody's disable, I was with some alcohol, I'm with some alcoholics.

00:29:15.740 my phone, uh, checking out what's going on world outside of this soccer game.

00:29:21.000 And there it is within the seconds of what happened in Pennsylvania, I've got

00:29:26.980 it on, on my phone.

00:29:28.580 And I say to guys, uh, we're going to have to switch the channel immediately

00:29:32.220 because there's something much more important going on.

00:29:34.440 And that's, that's what, that's where I was yesterday at, I guess, five 15

00:29:39.500 central.

00:29:40.180 So, um, six 15 Eastern that's, that's where I was.

00:29:43.240 It was, um, and what happened is what always happens.

00:29:48.920 A debate immediately commenced about, well, conspiracy theories about guns, about all

00:29:56.160 that kind of stuff seemed kind of crass.

00:29:57.920 I mean, you and I are not fans of Mr. Trump, but we don't want to see Mr.

00:30:02.700 Trump defeated by a bullet.

00:30:04.100 We want to see him defeated at the ballot box, but it's 113 days to the vote.

00:30:09.840 You've lived in the States.

00:30:10.940 I've lived in the States.

00:30:12.040 Um, I don't think this guarantees a Trump win, but it, it probably helps his chances,

00:30:18.520 doesn't it?

00:30:19.260 Well, Reagan, uh, after his assassination attempt, his favorables went up between 15

00:30:25.460 and 20 points, depending on which pollster you talked to.

00:30:28.040 20 points.

00:30:28.720 Wow.

00:30:29.260 So here's, here's, uh, here's what matters most.

00:30:32.540 There is no doubt in both Canada and especially in the United States where it really matters.

00:30:37.700 There is no doubt that Donald Trump is being treated as the president.

00:30:42.120 Everything about the coverage, especially the respectful tone toward Trump shown by every

00:30:49.500 member of media, every Republican, every Democrat, every pundit, Donald Trump right now is the

00:30:56.040 de facto president of the United States.

00:30:57.940 And unless Donald Trump is defeated in November, he will become the next president.

00:31:03.720 But at the moment, the talk about whether Biden stays on the ticket or not, uh, is, is so 48

00:31:11.460 hours old is, is so ancient and frankly, politically irrelevant.

00:31:16.580 Unless Donald Trump shoots himself, he's the president.

00:31:22.800 And then you raise an important point, you know, that's right now.

00:31:26.460 And there's a reason why old guys like us say a week is a lifetime in politics.

00:31:31.560 It's 113 days to the vote.

00:31:34.180 Things can change, but it seems to me at least in the next few days, because his convention,

00:31:38.820 the Republican convention is opening up, uh, in the coming week.

00:31:43.300 Uh, I think he's going to be entering that thing like the Messiah.

00:31:46.980 It's, uh, they, they, they treated him like a deity before.

00:31:50.560 I think it'll be even more the case now.

00:31:53.660 Warren, I don't have to tell you that, uh, in the United States, uh, the slogan and God

00:31:58.360 we trust, uh, God bless America still being sung, you know, seventh inning stretch baseball

00:32:05.540 games.

00:32:06.340 It's a more religious country.

00:32:07.660 And for many people in the United States yesterday, God decided that Trump would live.

00:32:15.680 It's a very big deal.

00:32:19.160 Let's talk about guns.

00:32:20.780 Um, you and I, well, I think you're, you're like me.

00:32:23.720 I just gave up talking about mass shooting events.

00:32:26.300 You know, I went this morning, I Googled how many mass shooting events that happened in

00:32:31.200 the month of July, 2024, not just the past year, just this month, which we're halfway through.

00:32:36.620 And there were so many, I couldn't even fit them onto my screen.

00:32:41.460 Some days there's like three.

00:32:43.520 So here you've got this 20 year old who hasn't even voted yet.

00:32:48.080 And he's got an assault rifle and, uh, is shooting at a presidential candidate and he killed

00:32:55.180 a citizen, a person who was at that rally.

00:32:58.620 Um, and, and, and seriously hurts some other people at that rally.

00:33:03.880 Like the, the United States, again, to me, if I'm angry about anything, it's like, here

00:33:09.560 you guys go again.

00:33:10.960 You're talking about the wrong thing.

00:33:12.640 How is it that you let disturb people, you know, uh, people who've got problems get their

00:33:18.860 hands on assault rifles.

00:33:19.960 And PS, why do you have assault rifles available for sale in the state of Pennsylvania?

00:33:26.220 And why do you have a presidential candidate who was just, who just dodged a bullet, grazed

00:33:32.360 his ear?

00:33:33.040 Um, why do you have him not saying anything about any of this?

00:33:37.300 Because in recent months, when Donald Trump was asked about mass shootings, his position

00:33:42.600 was that the people who survived the shootings and the families should just suck it up.

00:33:48.180 Those aren't his words.

00:33:49.380 Those are my words, but that's been his position.

00:33:52.020 Do you think Warren, that Donald Trump will change his position because he's now been at

00:33:58.780 the business end of an AR 15?

00:34:00.440 It's very interesting you mentioned that because, you know, when Reagan was shot in 1981 by John

00:34:09.940 Hinckley, um, one of Reagan's aides was shot in the head and survived, thank God, and went

00:34:18.320 on to be a passionate advocate for gun control in the United States.

00:34:23.720 And, um, like it, it, it truly is in every definition of the word, an existential event.

00:34:28.940 Like it, people change after they have near death experiences, it would be something to

00:34:34.680 see Trump come out and say, you know what?

00:34:37.540 I almost got killed the other night.

00:34:39.360 And I think guys, we need to take a look at guns in this country and how easy it is to

00:34:45.940 get guns.

00:34:46.860 I'm not disagreeing with you, but you're being, uh, Warren Kinsella and you're being, you're

00:34:52.400 being rational.

00:34:53.080 And so, so much of the Trump campaign is not about being rational, uh, before he was put

00:35:00.140 into that Chevy, a suburban to be taken to a medical facility and, you know, nearby spot

00:35:05.920 somewhere in Pennsylvania, uh, he raised his fist and said to the people, fight, fight,

00:35:12.760 fight.

00:35:13.100 It was no different than what Steve Bannon does and all that January 6th stuff.

00:35:17.580 So can you imagine the person who's telling the public to fight, fight, fight, presumably

00:35:23.480 to fight against the deep state, right?

00:35:26.700 Can you imagine that same person wanting to put a new Brady bill into law?

00:35:33.360 James Brady was the one who was shot that you're talking about the aid and the, he and his

00:35:37.760 wife campaigned successfully for an assault weapons ban bill, which has since been trashed.

00:35:43.920 He was known as the Brady bill, but the guy who raised his fist and said, fight, fight,

00:35:49.000 fight, in my opinion, will not be fighting for a new Brady bill, uh, uh, uh, a law to,

00:35:57.180 to ban the sale of the kind of weapon this 20 year old was, was using on that rooftop.

00:36:02.340 In my opinion, he will be even more NRA because his position will likely be that not enough

00:36:09.040 people have guns for the fight, fight, fight.

00:36:13.920 Yeah, I know.

00:36:15.280 You're right.

00:36:16.280 Like I was just, I hope springs eternal.

00:36:19.100 It's not, you know, maybe they'll change their perspective.

00:36:22.640 It's, um, because, you know, they're reacting according to type, you know, last night, I mean,

00:36:29.200 that JD Vance, that son of a bitch who used to be one thing and is now something else, you

00:36:34.740 know, immediately before the FBI even said, what's what said, Oh, it's the left.

00:36:39.940 The left did this.

00:36:41.800 It's like, well, JD, actually this young man, apparently, apparently was a registered Republican.

00:36:49.860 So like, you know, maybe, maybe you should accept the possibility that you're wrong.

00:36:55.980 Warren, uh, it's not difficult to begin a conspiracy in the United States and it's never

00:37:00.420 difficult beginning one after, uh, an assassination attempt, an assassination plot.

00:37:05.340 Uh, and so right now we're on the verge of millions of Americans believing the secret

00:37:11.340 service didn't do its job.

00:37:12.920 They're not going to be calling it Donald Trump secret service.

00:37:15.500 We're going to be calling it the deep state secret service of the Joe Biden, the secret

00:37:19.340 service, the liberal secret service, the Democrat party.

00:37:22.260 Anyway, the point is they will blame Joe Biden's Democrats for what happened in Butler, Pennsylvania

00:37:29.640 on Saturday, July 13th, 2024.

00:37:33.980 And it will go on and on and on the entire right-wing ecosystem, right-wing solar system.

00:37:39.880 We'll be blasting out this business about taking back America from the deep state and from Joe

00:37:45.980 Biden's secret service, and they will label this as a plot by Joe Biden to assassinate

00:37:52.540 Donald Trump.

00:37:54.520 Yeah.

00:37:55.220 And to your point, that iconic photograph, Trump with his fist raised and American flag

00:38:01.860 in the background, and he's surrounded by secret service agents.

00:38:05.540 Um, they're already fundraising on it, uh, you know, for a good cause, I guess so far for

00:38:12.120 the families of those who were killed or injured at that rally, but I think they know the power

00:38:19.060 of that image.

00:38:20.000 Like it is, you and I have been in the news business for a long time and we know how hard

00:38:25.180 it is for photographers to get a good shot.

00:38:28.460 You know, they shoot like 50 to get one decent shot, maybe underexposed, overexposed, blurry

00:38:35.800 or whatever that, that photograph is just extraordinary.

00:38:39.900 I mean, it was so extraordinary.

00:38:41.560 The first thing I saw on Twitter was people, the second most trending word was staged.

00:38:47.400 People thought this could not possibly be real because it's so perfect.

00:38:51.920 It's like something out of the movies, isn't it?

00:38:54.300 And here's what's not staged.

00:38:56.260 There is video footage of secret service on a rooftop themselves getting the shooter into

00:39:06.540 their crosshairs about half a minute before shots are fired.

00:39:11.520 And so everyone is asking the question, well, if the secret service saw him and had him in

00:39:16.160 their crosshairs, why the hell didn't they kill him before he had a chance to kill anyone?

00:39:22.520 And it doesn't matter what the answer is.

00:39:25.740 The question, it's the question that's killer in politics.

00:39:30.480 Why did the government hesitate to kill someone who was about to kill the president or a former

00:39:38.280 president of the United States?

00:39:40.420 It's a fair question.

00:39:41.740 I mean, you know, I've worked for a prime minister.

00:39:43.640 I learned like the way it works within an office of a prime minister or a president is the guys

00:39:49.640 and gals in charge of security are in charge of security.

00:39:52.340 And you can have a debate with them about the safety of a location or an event or in a way in

00:39:58.620 which the candidate moves or whatever.

00:40:00.660 But ultimately, they decide if they decide that it is an unsafe event, then you do not

00:40:05.800 proceed or a location or whatever.

00:40:08.800 So I'm always hesitant to second guess the security people because they they've got the

00:40:13.640 guns and the expertise and they know what they're doing.

00:40:15.700 But man or man, you're asking the key question.

00:40:18.280 It's like, guys, you had people telling you he was crawling up on the roof with a with

00:40:23.280 an AR-15 and you didn't get over there.

00:40:27.000 Like, what the heck?

00:40:28.360 Like that.

00:40:28.960 I think that's a pretty fair question because that has implications not just for Trump, but

00:40:33.240 for Joe Biden and Bobby Kennedy.

00:40:35.660 And Kennedy doesn't even have a security detail.

00:40:38.620 No, they didn't have to chase him up to the roof.

00:40:43.080 They had a sniper trained on him.

00:40:47.320 And so the question that will be asked is, why didn't they kill this son of a bitch?

00:40:55.180 In Ottawa, you know, if you go to like Canada Day, it's a nice event.

00:41:00.060 Families are out and, you know, hot dogs and poutine.

00:41:04.380 And, you know, you look up on East Block or West Block.

00:41:08.680 And this has been the case since time immemorial.

00:41:11.900 There are snipers up there watching the crowd, even when it's a family friendly crowd, because

00:41:17.180 you have the prime minister there and the governor general.

00:41:20.400 Like, it just I do not understand some of the decisions that were made at that event

00:41:24.760 yesterday.

00:41:25.240 But I think you're quite right.

00:41:27.220 Well, if this is your implication, that the MAGA Republicans are going to make full and

00:41:32.380 frequent use of that.

00:41:34.280 Well, it's room service for them.

00:41:35.340 And remember, this was easy for a sniper to do.

00:41:38.700 It only took them one shot.

00:41:40.620 The moment the shooter started firing on the rally, he was taken out like within a nanosecond

00:41:47.860 with just one shot.

00:41:50.100 So for a sniper, this was no challenge.

00:41:52.420 Well, if it was no challenge in that particular second, does anyone believe it would have been

00:41:56.500 a challenge 30 seconds earlier?

00:41:58.980 Exactly.

00:42:00.280 Switching gears or switching or focused up here, because I think two things.

00:42:04.640 Number one, a lot of people are pretty happy to be Canadians this morning, because we feel

00:42:10.640 like we just live in a slightly more sane environment.

00:42:14.740 But, you know, I've changed my assessment.

00:42:17.440 I'll make you laugh.

00:42:18.280 We haven't laughed yet.

00:42:19.180 But I think Trudeau would be nuts to leave before the first week in November.

00:42:26.640 I think he should wait to see if Trump, as I now increasingly believe, wins the election,

00:42:33.200 because I think it will have an impact on the vote.

00:42:35.900 I think a lot of Canadians will say, well, Donald Trump in the White House?

00:42:39.560 You know, I don't want Pierre Paulyev running things up here.

00:42:43.140 I think a Trump victory helps out Justin Trudeau.

00:42:48.340 Look, anyone who tries to say that Pierre Paulyev and the people around him aren't fans of Donald Trump,

00:42:56.860 aren't groupies of Donald Trump, anyone who believes that Pierre Paulyev and the people around him

00:43:03.280 are going to challenge Donald Trump, I mean, forget about it.

00:43:06.620 That's not going to happen.

00:43:08.460 You know, Canada has been called a branch of the United States for the longest time.

00:43:14.360 There is no doubt that politically, politically, a Paulyev government would be a branch plant of the Trump administration.

00:43:24.400 They would do whatever they could to be his closest ally.

00:43:27.400 And, of course, they would justify it in terms of it's better for trade, it's better for business, it's better for Canada.

00:43:33.700 Most Canadians aren't necessarily nationalists.

00:43:36.620 But they are patriots.

00:43:38.000 They are proud of their country.

00:43:39.820 They do not want a Canadian government to be a puppet regime.

00:43:44.960 They do not want the government of Canada to be for the United States what the government of Hungary and being someone who was born there.

00:43:54.100 I'm ashamed of this, but whether I'm ashamed or not is irrelevant.

00:44:00.580 You know, I'm here to tell the truth.

00:44:01.640 I cannot imagine my country, because it says Canada on my passport, this is my country, I cannot imagine my country becoming for the United States what my birth country, Hungary, is for Vladimir Putin.

00:44:17.360 I'm not interested in living in a puppet regime.

00:44:20.320 And it's not going to be very difficult for Justin Trudeau to speak those kinds of words from his Canadian heart.

00:44:28.640 No, I think that is, in fact, what is coming.

00:44:33.280 It's going to be that kind of a campaign.

00:44:35.080 But for the time being, the Biden people, I think, have wisely suspended their campaign.

00:44:39.660 They shut down their events.

00:44:41.120 They pulled their ads off the air.

00:44:43.000 And hopefully, you know, some common sense and cooler heads prevail.

00:44:50.440 Let me ask you a question about all of that, Warren, because this is critical.

00:44:56.160 Putting aside Biden's age and the conflict about whether or not he stays on ticket, I just want to put that aside for the moment.

00:45:01.880 The campaign, whether it's Joe Biden at the top of the ticket or Governor Newsom of California or Governor Whitmer of Michigan or whoever, Kamala Harris, whoever is running the Democratic campaign for the November election.

00:45:20.380 It is going to be about Donald Trump, and it is going to be about whether or not you're prepared to take a risk on America going down the tubes as a Democratic country.

00:45:32.260 It's going to be about democracy and Trump being a threat to democracy.

00:45:36.140 So my question to you, Warren Kinsella, as of now, is the Democratic Party going to be afraid of making that case?

00:45:44.900 Because they will be told every day by Republicans, friends of Republicans, and friends of Donald Trump and the MAGA crowd, that that kind of rhetoric endangers Donald Trump's life.

00:45:57.740 Stop it.

00:45:59.540 A hundred percent.

00:46:00.540 That's exactly what's going to happen.

00:46:02.860 You know, one of Biden's best arguments against Trump hasn't just been abortion.

00:46:08.480 I've seen it at the doors when I was knocking on the doors for him.

00:46:12.060 Is, you know, the loss of democracy.

00:46:14.080 Americans, most Americans, cherish democracy.

00:46:18.240 But, yeah, it's going to limit the ability.

00:46:21.320 Last night is going to limit the ability of the Democrats to say certain things.

00:46:26.120 And, you know, because progressives get tongue-tied talking about certain subjects.

00:46:32.340 And conservatives like Trump are really good at talking about certain subjects.

00:46:37.820 And they're going to jam last night in deep state and conspiracies.

00:46:42.840 And, oh, you know, you're the ones who are really destroying democracy, not us.

00:46:47.520 That's what it's going to be like for the next 113 days.

00:46:50.580 And I fear it may be successful.

00:46:53.660 So, I was on social media within, you know, an hour of the assassination attempt.

00:46:59.200 And I said, Donald Trump won the election tonight.

00:47:01.540 Well, I said that for two reasons.

00:47:03.020 Not just because a lot of undecideds are going to move toward Donald Trump.

00:47:07.560 Not just because this happened in Pennsylvania.

00:47:09.720 And Pennsylvania, for sure, after last night, is not going to be in the Democratic column.

00:47:16.660 If they lose Pennsylvania, they cannot win the election.

00:47:19.480 That's just drop-dead easy.

00:47:21.700 I don't have to be a Warren Kinsella or a Charles Adler to know that.

00:47:25.240 Any amateur can figure that out.

00:47:27.040 Just look at the damn map.

00:47:28.580 Pennsylvania is critical to their chances.

00:47:31.560 So, they've lost Pennsylvania.

00:47:33.000 But the other reason that Donald Trump has won the election is because if the Democrats hesitate to say about Donald Trump what needs to be said about Donald Trump, that means Donald Trump, that means that bullet has stolen the Democratic platform.

00:47:51.580 And the Democrats cannot possibly win without prosecuting Donald Trump.

00:47:57.200 I agree.

00:47:58.540 I agree.

00:47:59.020 My friend, thank you for your wisdom and your judgment on what is a very difficult morning.

00:48:06.180 It's hard to talk about this stuff without, you know, stepping on a mistake.

00:48:12.740 But you've done so, and I'm grateful for that.

00:48:15.660 And look forward to talking next week.

00:48:18.740 Have a great day and a great week.

00:48:20.760 Want to know what motivates me to be here with you?

00:48:23.640 My good looks.

00:48:24.600 One, my endless fraternal love for you.

00:48:32.260 You are my brother from another mother, okay?

00:48:35.980 But beyond that, Warren Kinsella, you make me proud to be a Canadian.

00:48:40.900 Thanks, brother.

00:48:41.760 And ditto right back at you.

00:48:43.540 Have a great day.

00:48:44.340 Thank you.

00:48:45.120 Thank you.

00:49:15.120 Thank you.

00:49:24.280 Your love is fading.

00:49:26.840 I can feel your love fading.

00:49:29.080 Woman, it's fading away from me.

00:49:33.780 Cause your personal touch has grown cold.

00:49:38.720 As if someone else controls your very soul.

00:49:42.160 I've fooled myself as long as I can

00:49:47.540 Can feel the presence of another man

00:49:51.880 It's there when you speak my name

00:49:54.620 It's just not the same

00:49:57.180 Oh honey, I'm losing you

00:50:00.720 Can feel it in the air

00:50:03.380 It's everywhere

00:50:05.380 Oh, I'm losing you

00:50:09.940 I can feel it in my bones

00:50:12.820 Any day you'll be up and gone

00:50:15.260 Oh, I'm losing you

00:50:19.120 It's all over your face

00:50:21.680 Someone's taken my place

00:50:24.200 Could it be that I'm losing you?

00:50:28.960 When I look into your eyes

00:50:31.300 A reflection of a face I see

00:50:33.780 Oh, Lord, I'm losing you

00:50:37.640 I'm hurt, downhearted

00:50:40.400 I'm worried, girl

00:50:42.120 Cause that face doesn't belong to me

00:50:45.640 Oh

00:50:46.760 Your love is fading

00:50:58.680 Can feel it fading

00:51:01.360 Oh, away from me

00:51:05.080 Feel it in the air

00:51:07.560 It's there everywhere

00:51:09.700 Oh, I'm losing you

00:51:13.760 I don't wanna lose you

00:51:17.300 But I know I'm gonna groove you

00:51:19.940 Oh, I know

00:51:21.440 I'm losing you

00:51:23.760 Get out

00:51:42.760 Woo

00:51:44.760 Woo

00:51:46.760 Woo

00:51:49.760 Woo

00:51:50.760 Oh, yeah

00:52:04.760 Oh, yeah

00:52:09.440 Get down

00:52:15.200 Get down

00:52:15.620 Get down

00:52:17.700 Get down

00:52:17.960 Get down

00:52:20.040 Get down

00:52:28.100 Get down

00:52:32.380 Get down

00:52:36.420 Get down

00:52:37.620 I don't want to lose you

00:52:45.560 But I know I've got to prove you

00:52:47.660 I know that I can lose you

00:52:50.560 And I can lose you

00:53:07.620 And I can lose you

00:53:37.620 Oh yeah, oh yeah

00:53:41.760 Your love is fading

00:53:51.220 I can feel it fading

00:53:53.100 Oh, I'm losing you

00:53:57.620 And welcome to it.

00:54:04.000 Joining us on the phone this morning, on this Sunday morning,

00:54:06.140 is the president of Traction Strategies.

00:54:08.080 He is Carl Belanger.

00:54:09.220 Carl, good morning.

00:54:09.960 Thanks for joining us.

00:54:10.700 Morning, Andrew.

00:54:11.520 Warren Kinsella is a strategist and post-media columnist.

00:54:13.440 You can read his latest in the Toronto Sun.

00:54:15.160 Warren is here as well.

00:54:16.360 Warren, good morning.

00:54:17.620 Good morning, sir.

00:54:18.620 Tasha Carradine, political columnist for the National Post,

00:54:20.600 an author and a writer for GZero Media.

00:54:22.480 Also here this morning, Tasha, good morning.

00:54:24.820 Good morning.

00:54:25.700 Doing something a little bit differently this morning.

00:54:27.480 Obviously, you know, we normally focus

00:54:29.100 muchly on Canadian politics here,

00:54:31.180 but I don't think we can ignore what's happening south of the border

00:54:33.960 as we've all been watching.

00:54:35.720 The attempted assassination attempt

00:54:37.040 and the continuing coverage we've seen over the course of the past,

00:54:39.620 let me see now,

00:54:40.640 14 hours since this has happened.

00:54:43.440 I guess, Tasha, I'll start with you.

00:54:45.320 I don't even know where to start here.

00:54:46.880 Obviously, a very dark day in American history.

00:54:48.840 Yeah, well, I think we have to start first by condemning the violence.

00:54:53.300 No matter what political stripe you are,

00:54:55.220 this is not the way that democracy is upheld

00:54:59.020 and that politics is done.

00:55:01.360 You know, it's not about bullets.

00:55:03.260 It's about ballots.

00:55:04.320 And everyone needs to remember that.

00:55:07.700 You know, the shooting itself,

00:55:09.680 a lot of details are now coming out about what happened.

00:55:12.200 I think there's going to be a lot of fallout for various parties,

00:55:14.440 including the Secret Service,

00:55:16.180 and a lot of questions.

00:55:18.140 And what we need to avoid as well

00:55:19.540 is all the conspiracy theories

00:55:21.000 that will no doubt,

00:55:22.000 that already are circulating around what happened,

00:55:24.560 and keep our eye on the fact that,

00:55:26.380 you know, violence has no place in politics.

00:55:31.240 Sympathies, say it, to Donald Trump and his family.

00:55:34.560 He survived this.

00:55:35.900 He was very lucky.

00:55:37.960 And we all have to take a pause

00:55:40.640 and remember what's important.

00:55:43.080 Yeah, inches away from a crisis in democracy,

00:55:45.920 that's no doubt definitely concerning.

00:55:49.180 We've seen a lot of people kind of coming out

00:55:51.060 and trying to condemn what has happened here.

00:55:53.700 Joe Biden, Prime Minister Justice Trudeau among them.

00:55:56.140 Warren, I guess this seems to be happening at a time.

00:55:58.620 We haven't seen something like this in so long.

00:56:00.320 You know, back to 1981 and Ronald Reagan

00:56:02.360 and an attempt on his life.

00:56:03.840 It's kind of incredible to watch right now.

00:56:05.640 Yeah, we haven't seen anything like this

00:56:08.660 with a presidential candidate for a long time,

00:56:10.980 and that's a good thing.

00:56:12.640 But as Canadians looking, you know, down south,

00:56:16.980 we've seen this happen every single day

00:56:19.700 in the United States of America.

00:56:21.480 Before the show,

00:56:22.800 because I figured what we'd be talking about,

00:56:25.200 I just Googled mass shootings

00:56:26.920 in the United States July 2024.

00:56:30.020 Like, guys, there's so many.

00:56:32.160 There's so many.

00:56:32.820 And some days, like July 12th, there were three.

00:56:35.540 Kentucky, Kansas, and Illinois,

00:56:37.980 there were three, sorry, four on July the 8th.

00:56:42.440 Like, this country that all of us admire,

00:56:47.000 and we've got friends and family there,

00:56:49.440 it's madness.

00:56:51.120 And obviously, you know,

00:56:52.380 an attack on a politician's life is a terrible thing,

00:56:56.440 and there's going to be lots of inquiries

00:56:57.820 and talking about it

00:56:59.000 and talking about it on panels like this.

00:57:01.380 But they've got a big gun problem.

00:57:04.960 Like, how is it that somebody

00:57:06.260 wasn't even old enough to vote

00:57:08.180 to get his hands on assault rifle?

00:57:12.040 And, like, I just, you know,

00:57:14.640 I've reached the point

00:57:15.600 where I don't even comment

00:57:16.840 on mass shootings anymore,

00:57:18.340 because, like, my view is,

00:57:20.720 after Sandy Hook, you know,

00:57:22.240 when 25-year-olds get slaughtered,

00:57:24.660 they're never going to change.

00:57:26.340 And, like, even with last night's event,

00:57:29.640 I don't think they're ever going to change.

00:57:31.360 Like, this stuff is going to keep happening to them,

00:57:33.780 and it just blows my mind.

00:57:35.500 I can't figure out why they won't change,

00:57:38.040 but even after last night, they won't.

00:57:41.700 Yeah, I mentioned that last hour as well.

00:57:43.420 There's so many different things

00:57:44.380 that we've been talking about

00:57:45.120 over the course of the 12 hours.

00:57:46.120 We haven't even got to the gun control,

00:57:47.900 kind of, or gun violence aspect of this,

00:57:50.220 and that is a very big part of this conversation.

00:57:52.180 But, obviously, there's been a lot at play here.

00:57:55.400 Carl, I guess, to Warren's point here,

00:57:57.300 obviously, another issue of gun violence

00:57:58.960 within the U.S.,

00:57:59.720 but political violence also seeping its way

00:58:01.760 into the U.S. political system

00:58:03.320 is obviously not just concerning,

00:58:05.940 but something we haven't seen in literally decades.

00:58:09.700 Yeah, but political violence

00:58:10.860 is on the rise across the world.

00:58:13.680 I mean, in the French election

00:58:14.960 a few weeks ago,

00:58:17.260 one of the ministers was attacked

00:58:19.100 by teenagers who recognized

00:58:21.900 the British MP was killed

00:58:24.200 not that long ago,

00:58:26.220 and you've seen all kinds

00:58:27.940 of political violence

00:58:30.240 over the years,

00:58:31.340 including here in Canada.

00:58:32.500 I mean, I remember when

00:58:33.400 on the election night

00:58:35.720 of Pauline Marois,

00:58:36.760 a gunman entered the building

00:58:39.240 and killed some people

00:58:40.400 in an attempt to go after

00:58:42.280 the premier-elect.

00:58:44.460 There was, of course,

00:58:45.520 the attack on Parliament Hill,

00:58:46.700 and so there's kind of an increase,

00:58:50.100 and you can see the trend,

00:58:51.320 and it's not good,

00:58:52.460 and I think it's,

00:58:53.940 the rhetoric has to do,

00:58:55.880 has something to do with that,

00:58:57.340 like the fact that,

00:58:58.680 you know,

00:58:59.660 the people on the other side

00:59:01.920 are not described

00:59:02.720 as opponents anymore,

00:59:04.420 they're described as enemy,

00:59:06.060 and I think it gets

00:59:07.320 in the head of some people,

00:59:08.740 and there's been something

00:59:09.540 that has been said

00:59:10.560 about Trump,

00:59:12.520 about Biden,

00:59:13.460 about others,

00:59:14.220 that should not be said

00:59:16.460 in a political context,

00:59:18.140 but sadly,

00:59:19.340 that's the direction

00:59:20.380 we're heading,

00:59:21.100 and I don't know

00:59:21.580 how we can turn that back.

00:59:23.160 Now, I've got to say,

00:59:24.200 I'm kind of comforted

00:59:26.480 by how tame the reaction

00:59:28.960 has been in the States

00:59:30.300 so far.

00:59:31.920 I was expecting

00:59:33.040 a lot of vitriol

00:59:36.080 being thrown around,

00:59:37.000 and there's been a few

00:59:37.760 who have accused

00:59:38.440 by the administration

00:59:39.280 of creating the conditions

00:59:40.480 for this.

00:59:41.840 A few Republicans

00:59:42.580 did that,

00:59:43.240 Moscow did that,

00:59:44.380 that's their game,

00:59:46.320 and hopefully Americans

00:59:47.500 won't fall into that trap,

00:59:49.360 and cooler heads

00:59:50.440 will prevail,

00:59:51.240 but I worry about

00:59:53.080 what's going to happen next.

00:59:54.620 And just, you know,

00:59:55.700 following on what you're saying,

00:59:56.640 Carl, as well,

00:59:57.340 the idea that,

00:59:58.700 you know,

00:59:59.440 because you mentioned

01:00:00.420 a couple of other incidents

01:00:01.800 that have also happened,

01:00:02.820 it seems almost surprising

01:00:05.300 that something hasn't happened

01:00:06.320 until now,

01:00:06.800 in some senses, right?

01:00:07.820 Yeah, you're probably right,

01:00:10.280 but things have happened

01:00:11.800 at a lower level, right?

01:00:14.360 At the original level,

01:00:15.700 you know,

01:00:16.500 like,

01:00:16.880 there was this attack

01:00:18.500 on Nancy Pelosi's husband,

01:00:20.960 but, like,

01:00:21.380 you know,

01:00:21.580 there's been a few things,

01:00:22.860 but,

01:00:23.840 and so it's not,

01:00:25.660 it's not because

01:00:26.400 it's not the presidential candidate

01:00:27.920 that the rise

01:00:28.760 is not noticeable,

01:00:30.140 including in the U.S.

01:00:31.960 And Warren,

01:00:32.560 kind of referencing

01:00:33.080 some of the,

01:00:33.580 you know,

01:00:33.900 Tasha mentioned

01:00:34.700 some conspiracy theories online

01:00:36.140 and talk about

01:00:36.840 some of the pushback

01:00:37.460 we have seen,

01:00:38.140 you know,

01:00:38.520 Elon Musk among them

01:00:39.440 last night,

01:00:39.880 kind of pushing

01:00:40.280 for some accountability

01:00:41.240 in some senses.

01:00:42.420 I guess,

01:00:42.780 do you anticipate

01:00:43.440 much political fallout

01:00:44.800 from this post-incident,

01:00:47.180 I suppose?

01:00:48.400 Well,

01:00:48.640 of course,

01:00:49.300 obviously,

01:00:50.140 you know,

01:00:50.360 they're already marketing

01:00:51.300 that extraordinary image

01:00:54.420 that a photographer got

01:00:56.240 of Trump

01:00:57.340 surrounded by

01:00:58.000 the Secret Service agents,

01:00:59.320 you know,

01:00:59.500 with his fist up

01:01:00.260 and the American flag

01:01:01.160 in the background.

01:01:02.420 Get used to seeing that

01:01:03.580 for every single day

01:01:04.500 for the rest of your life.

01:01:05.500 It was 113 days

01:01:08.020 until they vote

01:01:09.900 in the United States.

01:01:11.540 Biden was already

01:01:12.580 in trouble

01:01:13.220 in swing states

01:01:15.360 and kind of

01:01:16.280 across the board

01:01:17.280 because of his

01:01:18.740 terrible debate performance.

01:01:20.520 He's in even

01:01:21.320 more trouble now.

01:01:22.900 And I think

01:01:24.360 the Democrats,

01:01:25.320 they've pulled their ads

01:01:26.560 last night.

01:01:27.960 Biden changed

01:01:29.060 his schedule.

01:01:30.340 So basically,

01:01:31.220 you know,

01:01:31.620 whatever days

01:01:32.380 they devoted

01:01:33.040 to campaigning

01:01:34.280 in the next few days,

01:01:35.120 those are gone

01:01:35.820 and they've got

01:01:36.980 to do a rethink

01:01:37.820 because the Republicans

01:01:39.000 are having their convention

01:01:40.520 kick off next week,

01:01:41.900 you know,

01:01:42.660 and Trump's going

01:01:43.400 to be walking in there

01:01:44.320 like a messiah.

01:01:45.280 So there's all kinds

01:01:46.220 of political consequences

01:01:47.780 to this.

01:01:49.080 But again,

01:01:49.560 you know,

01:01:49.740 getting back

01:01:50.140 to my first point,

01:01:51.760 they're not addressing

01:01:52.840 the fundamentals,

01:01:54.180 which is,

01:01:55.520 you know,

01:01:55.880 they're letting people

01:01:57.120 who are unstable

01:01:58.040 get their hands

01:01:58.900 on weapons

01:02:00.220 of mass destruction.

01:02:01.260 And that needs

01:02:02.520 to change

01:02:03.080 if the United States

01:02:03.880 is going to change.

01:02:05.040 Yeah.

01:02:05.480 How does an AR-15

01:02:06.380 even get close

01:02:07.000 to this event,

01:02:07.520 I think,

01:02:07.960 is a very valid

01:02:08.960 question here.

01:02:09.820 And Tasha,

01:02:10.460 as we've been talking

01:02:11.300 about,

01:02:11.520 we see,

01:02:12.440 you know,

01:02:12.720 the political reaction

01:02:14.000 kind of continue

01:02:14.880 to carry them around.

01:02:15.820 We see the Republican

01:02:16.680 National Convention

01:02:17.340 that's coming up

01:02:17.900 and the Democratic

01:02:18.420 National Convention

01:02:19.240 as well.

01:02:19.980 I can imagine

01:02:20.620 that officials

01:02:22.400 with those campaigns

01:02:23.860 are going to be,

01:02:24.760 you know,

01:02:25.000 upping security

01:02:25.640 to a massive degree

01:02:27.140 here coming up.

01:02:28.800 Sure.

01:02:29.000 And I think

01:02:29.460 that is one

01:02:30.280 of the reasons

01:02:30.760 why you haven't

01:02:31.600 seen more

01:02:32.620 of these kinds

01:02:33.060 of attempts

01:02:33.520 on presidents.

01:02:35.760 Things happen.

01:02:36.680 Plots are foiled.

01:02:37.320 We just don't know

01:02:37.840 about it

01:02:38.220 because they do

01:02:38.840 have this great

01:02:40.260 security detail.

01:02:42.440 But I think

01:02:43.820 that there are

01:02:44.240 two things

01:02:44.620 that I think

01:02:45.900 will be a major

01:02:46.340 political consequence

01:02:47.080 of this.

01:02:47.460 And the first

01:02:47.780 is that the Republicans

01:02:48.600 will get out

01:02:49.100 their vote.

01:02:50.360 Every last Republican

01:02:51.340 voter,

01:02:51.720 every last Trump

01:02:52.300 supporter will vote.

01:02:53.800 So this does

01:02:54.760 make it much harder

01:02:55.680 for the Democrats.

01:02:57.220 As Warren said,

01:02:57.860 they were already

01:02:58.360 behind the eight ball.

01:02:59.620 Now they have

01:03:00.560 an extremely

01:03:01.040 motivated electorate.

01:03:02.920 Trump is literally

01:03:03.600 the messiah,

01:03:04.360 survived an attack.

01:03:05.640 Like, I mean,

01:03:06.220 you could not,

01:03:07.840 this is not scripted.

01:03:08.940 And that's, again,

01:03:09.340 very important to say,

01:03:10.140 not conspiracy theories

01:03:11.360 around this

01:03:11.720 are floating around.

01:03:12.540 It was not.

01:03:13.240 It was actually,

01:03:14.140 this happened.

01:03:14.900 They've identified

01:03:15.400 the shooter.

01:03:16.780 What the second thing

01:03:17.640 is, though,

01:03:18.860 I think that that is

01:03:19.700 worrisome to me,

01:03:20.840 is that the Secret Service,

01:03:22.140 yes,

01:03:22.420 there was a clear lapse

01:03:23.700 that this guy

01:03:24.180 was able to get

01:03:24.740 that close with a gun

01:03:25.660 and scale a wall

01:03:26.460 and not be noticed.

01:03:28.760 What this could mean,

01:03:30.240 Trump will say,

01:03:31.680 I think,

01:03:32.480 I need better security.

01:03:33.820 I'm going to have

01:03:34.120 my own security.

01:03:35.580 Right?

01:03:36.040 Right.

01:03:36.340 We know where that goes.

01:03:37.620 And that is,

01:03:38.300 to me,

01:03:38.700 this has opened a door

01:03:40.100 for having a private

01:03:41.740 security detail

01:03:42.720 of the level

01:03:43.260 of the Secret Service

01:03:44.020 that is extremely worrisome

01:03:45.820 should he take

01:03:47.140 the White House

01:03:47.680 because that implies,

01:03:49.700 then,

01:03:49.920 a security detail

01:03:50.840 that is loyal

01:03:51.440 to the president

01:03:51.980 in a very different way.

01:03:52.940 They're not loyal

01:03:53.340 to the country of America.

01:03:54.280 They're loyal

01:03:54.680 to the president.

01:03:55.460 So,

01:03:55.800 I am concerned

01:03:57.140 about that possibility

01:03:58.160 opening up.

01:03:59.340 And no doubt

01:04:00.640 there's going to be

01:04:01.180 continued kind of

01:04:01.980 political fallout

01:04:03.420 from this

01:04:03.800 and we'll continue

01:04:04.440 to watch that here

01:04:05.200 and bring you

01:04:05.760 the latest

01:04:06.100 that we do see here.

01:04:07.280 Just wanted to switch

01:04:08.080 gears a little bit here

01:04:08.860 back to this side

01:04:10.120 of the border.

01:04:10.540 Well,

01:04:10.900 kind of,

01:04:11.700 because we did see

01:04:12.420 the Prime Minister

01:04:12.900 in Washington this week.

01:04:14.900 Of course,

01:04:15.320 NATO spending plans announced.

01:04:17.260 Canada kind of getting

01:04:18.140 raked over the coals here

01:04:19.120 in many senses

01:04:19.880 from some lines.

01:04:20.700 Of course,

01:04:20.980 the Republican Senate

01:04:21.940 House Speaker

01:04:23.720 Mike Johnson

01:04:24.460 saying that Canada

01:04:25.200 is riding the coattails

01:04:26.240 of the rest

01:04:27.360 of the NATO alliance here.

01:04:28.780 I guess,

01:04:29.300 Carl,

01:04:29.740 in terms of

01:04:30.940 the announcement here,

01:04:32.260 we did see Canada say,

01:04:33.760 you know,

01:04:33.920 we are going to meet

01:04:34.660 our commitments here 2%,

01:04:35.800 but I'm just kind of wondering,

01:04:37.680 does Canada even have

01:04:38.440 the capability,

01:04:39.040 even if we did spend 2%,

01:04:40.720 we've long talked about

01:04:41.680 the issues of Canada's military.

01:04:43.240 Does 2% really mean anything

01:04:44.900 when it comes to the state

01:04:45.800 of Canada's military?

01:04:47.220 Well,

01:04:47.400 it's a bit of an artificial target

01:04:48.860 if you don't have

01:04:49.960 clear criteria

01:04:50.760 of what that 2% should mean

01:04:52.300 in terms of capacity

01:04:54.080 to deploy

01:04:54.780 across the globe.

01:04:57.400 And this is where,

01:04:58.720 you know,

01:04:58.940 I kind of agree with

01:04:59.760 Justin Trudeau

01:05:00.660 when he's talking about

01:05:01.560 that very fact.

01:05:04.240 Canada has a notorious

01:05:05.460 problem when it comes

01:05:07.020 to military procurement.

01:05:08.120 It's been going on

01:05:08.800 for decades.

01:05:09.560 It's not just one government.

01:05:11.420 It doesn't matter

01:05:12.260 what the color is.

01:05:13.400 They've all had problems.

01:05:14.820 We're still seeing it today

01:05:16.060 with the ship

01:05:19.320 replacement program.

01:05:21.280 It's behind schedule.

01:05:22.780 It's over budget.

01:05:24.400 And it goes on

01:05:25.300 and on and on.

01:05:26.000 So,

01:05:26.220 of course,

01:05:26.500 you can just blow

01:05:27.200 more money into it,

01:05:28.420 but does it mean anything

01:05:29.920 really in terms of capabilities?

01:05:31.680 That's the key question.

01:05:33.760 And,

01:05:34.000 you know,

01:05:34.880 in as much as

01:05:35.460 the announcement was made

01:05:36.560 and the target is,

01:05:37.460 you know,

01:05:37.760 eight years down the road,

01:05:39.340 I guess I'll believe it

01:05:40.240 when I see it.

01:05:42.240 Tasha,

01:05:42.840 to Carl's point as well,

01:05:43.920 because this spending

01:05:45.140 is,

01:05:45.380 again,

01:05:46.060 back-ended.

01:05:46.980 So,

01:05:47.440 we are kind of,

01:05:48.180 once again,

01:05:48.620 pushing the issue

01:05:49.540 down the line.

01:05:50.180 Do you think

01:05:50.660 this is actually

01:05:51.520 going to make

01:05:51.860 a significant difference

01:05:52.740 to Canada's military

01:05:54.060 and its capabilities,

01:05:55.140 this announcement?

01:05:56.600 Well,

01:05:56.900 it makes a difference

01:05:57.840 in the sense of

01:05:58.440 having our allies

01:05:59.240 stand with us

01:06:00.540 and showing that

01:06:01.460 we're part of the team,

01:06:02.340 right?

01:06:02.600 Which is where we've

01:06:03.180 fallen down internationally

01:06:04.320 for years,

01:06:04.940 and not just this government,

01:06:06.180 but this government

01:06:06.780 in particular,

01:06:07.880 because the plan

01:06:08.880 they put forward

01:06:09.460 was not adequate

01:06:10.300 to meet the 2%.

01:06:11.960 I mean,

01:06:12.240 Poland is spending 5%,

01:06:13.820 okay?

01:06:14.200 Granted,

01:06:14.680 they're on the front lines

01:06:15.440 of potential conflict,

01:06:16.580 but still,

01:06:17.520 you know,

01:06:18.240 we have other countries

01:06:19.140 that don't have

01:06:20.200 the resources either.

01:06:21.100 They are committing them.

01:06:21.780 Will it make a difference?

01:06:23.000 Look,

01:06:23.200 our big issue

01:06:23.920 is we are short of troops.

01:06:25.660 We are short,

01:06:26.760 and the fact

01:06:29.140 that we don't recruit

01:06:30.120 is actually,

01:06:31.080 it's interesting,

01:06:31.520 you look at the numbers,

01:06:32.540 we need to replace

01:06:33.200 about 16,000 empty,

01:06:35.120 you know,

01:06:35.360 vacancies,

01:06:36.060 fill them.

01:06:36.700 We had 70,000 applications

01:06:38.300 last year,

01:06:39.500 and only 4,000 people

01:06:40.880 were admitted,

01:06:42.380 okay?

01:06:42.680 And then you count

01:06:43.320 people who drop off,

01:06:44.200 right?

01:06:44.760 So there's a reason

01:06:46.940 for that.

01:06:47.280 There's a lag.

01:06:48.320 There's processing times

01:06:49.620 are too slow.

01:06:50.220 Resources need to be

01:06:50.880 put to that too,

01:06:51.780 so that people

01:06:52.320 who want to join

01:06:53.080 and are qualified

01:06:54.040 actually can get in.

01:06:56.560 You know,

01:06:57.060 without people,

01:06:57.840 it doesn't matter

01:06:58.240 how much the technology

01:06:59.240 we have,

01:06:59.720 we can't use it.

01:07:00.480 So two places,

01:07:01.660 cyber and people,

01:07:02.640 is where they really

01:07:03.200 should be spending

01:07:03.700 the money,

01:07:04.160 and yeah,

01:07:04.420 it will make a difference.

01:07:05.120 And we had an expert

01:07:06.400 from the Royal Military

01:07:07.120 College on saying

01:07:07.860 the exact same thing

01:07:08.520 yesterday in terms

01:07:09.320 of, you know,

01:07:10.100 recruitment of staff

01:07:12.640 for the Canadian Armed Forces,

01:07:14.360 obviously a huge concern

01:07:15.200 on top of procurement

01:07:16.400 as well.

01:07:17.160 Warren,

01:07:17.720 does this,

01:07:18.240 you know,

01:07:18.520 do anything to,

01:07:19.540 I guess it does

01:07:20.520 some things to alleviate

01:07:21.500 the pressure that

01:07:22.540 we're facing internationally,

01:07:23.580 but does this do anything

01:07:24.580 for Canada's military

01:07:25.460 in your estimation?

01:07:27.200 I honestly,

01:07:28.200 guys,

01:07:28.580 you know,

01:07:28.800 we've been talking

01:07:29.400 about the NATO

01:07:30.440 and the 2%,

01:07:31.260 you know,

01:07:31.780 since Jesus was

01:07:32.680 a little fella.

01:07:33.980 And like,

01:07:35.600 you know,

01:07:36.220 the guy who got shot

01:07:37.280 last night

01:07:37.980 said back in February

01:07:40.000 that he would encourage

01:07:41.740 Russia to do

01:07:42.500 whatever the hell

01:07:43.120 they wanted to anybody,

01:07:44.400 you know,

01:07:44.940 who didn't meet

01:07:45.620 their NATO commitment.

01:07:46.820 I think,

01:07:47.720 I think,

01:07:48.720 and obviously a lot

01:07:49.540 of other people

01:07:50.080 think as well,

01:07:51.340 that if Trump

01:07:51.860 gets re-elected,

01:07:53.100 and if he gets re-elected

01:07:54.600 with a big mandate,

01:07:56.500 NATO's gone.

01:07:58.280 So I almost am

01:07:59.520 sympathetic to Trudeau's

01:08:00.760 position.

01:08:01.360 It's,

01:08:01.620 you know,

01:08:01.800 I know he,

01:08:02.480 they gave him a ritual

01:08:03.520 beating at the meeting

01:08:04.580 and he came up

01:08:05.420 with this BS promise

01:08:07.180 of subs that aren't funded.

01:08:09.100 But at the end of the day,

01:08:10.420 if Trump gets re-elected,

01:08:11.580 NATO's gone anyway.

01:08:13.360 So we've got to completely

01:08:15.260 have a new approach

01:08:17.260 and a new alliance,

01:08:18.980 you know,

01:08:19.360 to our military

01:08:21.380 and the way in which

01:08:22.300 we defend ourselves.

01:08:23.700 Do we join some new

01:08:24.820 alliance with Europe?

01:08:27.200 Do we hope

01:08:28.220 the Americans

01:08:28.820 don't meet it?

01:08:29.860 Do we do nothing?

01:08:30.980 Like,

01:08:31.660 Trump,

01:08:32.020 NATO's gone

01:08:32.820 and Trump gets re-elected.

01:08:34.780 That's been the case.

01:08:35.900 Everybody has known

01:08:37.020 that's been the case

01:08:37.780 since 2019.

01:08:39.400 So,

01:08:40.080 you know,

01:08:40.320 this debate to me now

01:08:41.640 about the 2%

01:08:42.600 is almost artificial

01:08:44.820 because,

01:08:46.100 you know,

01:08:46.980 we'd be contributing

01:08:48.080 2% to an organization

01:08:49.380 that doesn't exist.

01:08:50.840 Just to follow Warren,

01:08:51.940 because,

01:08:52.220 you know,

01:08:52.300 we heard from

01:08:52.780 Pierre Paulyab

01:08:53.480 on this issue

01:08:54.040 this week

01:08:54.420 and kind of

01:08:54.840 impressed by the

01:08:55.860 mental gymnastics

01:08:56.580 available,

01:08:57.540 but he is kind of

01:08:58.360 essentially saying

01:08:58.980 what you are right now.

01:08:59.840 He's saying,

01:09:00.400 you know,

01:09:00.700 the prime minister,

01:09:02.080 you know,

01:09:02.400 failed to meet

01:09:02.940 this promise

01:09:03.660 and,

01:09:04.140 you know,

01:09:04.240 we're embarrassed

01:09:04.940 and what have you,

01:09:05.660 but also not

01:09:06.480 committing to

01:09:08.020 doing it himself

01:09:09.000 with that 2%,

01:09:09.840 perhaps because he thinks

01:09:10.880 it's not going to exist.

01:09:11.660 I'm not sure.

01:09:12.440 But is that a tenable

01:09:13.360 position for Paulyab

01:09:14.380 right now

01:09:14.780 to say that,

01:09:15.820 you know,

01:09:16.100 you're failing here,

01:09:17.180 but also I don't know

01:09:18.040 if I'm going to do

01:09:18.480 the same thing?

01:09:19.840 The 2% thing

01:09:21.340 I also see

01:09:22.200 is artificial.

01:09:23.820 Like,

01:09:23.980 the reality is

01:09:25.120 we live in a much

01:09:26.160 more dangerous world

01:09:27.220 than in the past.

01:09:28.560 You know,

01:09:28.740 Harper didn't meet it.

01:09:29.900 My guy,

01:09:30.360 Kretchen,

01:09:30.800 didn't meet it.

01:09:31.740 Nobody's met it.

01:09:33.080 But now the world

01:09:33.820 has changed.

01:09:34.740 You know,

01:09:34.940 you've got Israel

01:09:36.280 potentially hanging

01:09:37.540 on a thread,

01:09:38.340 you know,

01:09:38.580 Hezbollah

01:09:38.940 with 150,000 missiles

01:09:40.700 pointed at it,

01:09:42.060 Taiwan,

01:09:43.400 Ukraine.

01:09:45.100 Like,

01:09:45.460 you know,

01:09:46.100 those,

01:09:46.340 to me,

01:09:46.900 those are kind

01:09:47.520 of the existential

01:09:48.340 front edge

01:09:49.760 of this discussion.

01:09:51.260 If they go,

01:09:53.160 like,

01:09:53.480 the bad guys

01:09:54.100 are winning

01:09:54.540 and we need to,

01:09:55.720 like,

01:09:55.880 the 2%,

01:09:56.520 I don't think

01:09:57.540 it'll be enough.

01:09:58.920 So maybe that's

01:09:59.620 what Paulyab

01:10:00.240 is looking ahead

01:10:01.080 to,

01:10:01.900 is we're,

01:10:02.680 you know,

01:10:02.900 a relatively

01:10:03.460 small country

01:10:04.560 in terms of

01:10:05.600 diplomatic clout

01:10:06.680 and military clout

01:10:07.740 and,

01:10:09.020 you know,

01:10:09.500 everything could

01:10:10.140 change very rapidly

01:10:11.220 in the next year.

01:10:12.960 So,

01:10:13.600 you know,

01:10:14.400 I think he's saying

01:10:15.320 the bare minimum

01:10:16.280 what he can say,

01:10:17.320 but I guess,

01:10:18.060 you know,

01:10:18.440 he also needs

01:10:19.020 to see the books

01:10:19.700 when he gets in there.

01:10:20.900 Yeah,

01:10:21.340 totally fair.

01:10:22.400 And that kind of

01:10:23.040 one comment

01:10:23.480 coming from

01:10:24.000 Pierre Paulyab

01:10:24.660 this week,

01:10:25.360 it's actually

01:10:25.680 we heard from

01:10:26.220 the opposition

01:10:28.160 leader on

01:10:28.860 safe consumption

01:10:30.160 sites as well,

01:10:30.900 not shocking

01:10:31.380 that he would

01:10:32.140 be against them

01:10:32.800 and a conservative

01:10:33.500 government

01:10:33.800 would be against them.

01:10:34.920 But,

01:10:35.260 you know,

01:10:35.420 with these NATO

01:10:35.880 comments

01:10:36.260 and the safe

01:10:36.760 consumption sites,

01:10:37.900 I'm wondering,

01:10:38.780 because we did see

01:10:39.600 a new abacus data

01:10:40.360 poll this week

01:10:40.900 that found a third

01:10:41.720 of Canadians

01:10:42.180 don't recognize

01:10:43.020 Pierre Paulyab,

01:10:43.520 so I'm wondering

01:10:43.960 if some of these

01:10:44.560 greatest hits rolls

01:10:45.880 are just an attempt

01:10:46.680 right now

01:10:47.080 in the summer

01:10:47.460 to try to be seen

01:10:49.040 by Canadians

01:10:49.940 right now.

01:10:50.560 Do you think

01:10:51.040 I'm on the right

01:10:51.440 track here?

01:10:52.740 Well,

01:10:53.600 I think these are

01:10:54.540 two issues

01:10:55.280 that are,

01:10:56.920 first of all,

01:10:57.160 low-hanging fruit

01:10:57.880 because they are

01:10:58.700 in the news.

01:10:59.300 Obviously,

01:10:59.540 there was a NATO

01:10:59.980 meeting and,

01:11:01.000 you know,

01:11:01.160 in terms of

01:11:01.540 safe consumption sites,

01:11:02.620 every other week

01:11:03.700 it seems,

01:11:04.480 you hear about

01:11:05.280 rising crime

01:11:06.360 connected to drug use,

01:11:08.620 you hear that

01:11:09.380 people are dying

01:11:10.040 of overdoses

01:11:10.700 and safe consumption

01:11:12.340 sites are encouraging

01:11:13.240 people or not

01:11:14.560 encouraging people

01:11:15.940 to get off drugs.

01:11:17.780 The concept is

01:11:18.900 harm reduction,

01:11:19.880 but we're seeing

01:11:20.500 harm reduction

01:11:20.900 is not working.

01:11:21.580 People are dying.

01:11:22.260 We have more

01:11:22.520 and more people

01:11:22.880 dying of opioid

01:11:24.020 overdoses in this

01:11:24.720 country than ever

01:11:25.320 before.

01:11:26.200 So,

01:11:26.540 clearly this is not

01:11:27.320 working and I

01:11:27.800 think most people,

01:11:29.800 for Paulyab to

01:11:30.820 hammer on this one,

01:11:32.440 it's kind of a

01:11:33.560 natural thing.

01:11:34.220 And yeah,

01:11:34.460 I mean,

01:11:34.620 it's the summer.

01:11:35.580 Are people paying

01:11:36.040 attention to anything

01:11:36.880 in politics?

01:11:38.800 Probably,

01:11:39.440 you know,

01:11:39.700 probably after yesterday.

01:11:40.700 In this shooting,

01:11:41.320 they probably are.

01:11:42.380 But I think it's just,

01:11:44.520 you know,

01:11:44.820 I think it's in the

01:11:46.020 line with what he's

01:11:46.520 been saying all along,

01:11:47.460 quite frankly.

01:11:48.600 And Carl,

01:11:49.240 just on that point,

01:11:50.240 talking about Paulyab's

01:11:51.320 recognition here,

01:11:52.400 I guess what I was

01:11:53.800 saying is it felt like

01:11:54.480 he was trying to get

01:11:55.140 noticed this week

01:11:56.140 after that poll came

01:11:57.040 out,

01:11:57.260 but if you're

01:11:58.800 Paulyab's campaign,

01:11:59.940 how do you kind of

01:12:00.700 compensate for a lack

01:12:01.740 of Canadians not

01:12:02.680 knowing with you?

01:12:03.480 Is it just,

01:12:03.920 you know,

01:12:04.100 is it trying to get

01:12:04.680 your face out there

01:12:05.280 more?

01:12:05.560 Is it sticking to

01:12:06.180 policy?

01:12:06.660 I guess,

01:12:06.980 what would you kind

01:12:07.780 of recommend?

01:12:09.020 Well,

01:12:09.500 it's funny,

01:12:10.560 because perhaps

01:12:11.860 it's better for him

01:12:12.760 if he's not more

01:12:13.660 well-known.

01:12:15.040 I think Kennedy

01:12:16.140 has some suspicion

01:12:17.220 about him,

01:12:17.980 and the fact that

01:12:19.040 he's riding high

01:12:19.680 in the poll without

01:12:20.380 being as well-known

01:12:21.620 as he could be

01:12:22.860 doesn't hurt him.

01:12:24.740 In fact,

01:12:25.320 it allows people

01:12:25.980 to project whatever

01:12:26.920 they want on him

01:12:27.940 and his party,

01:12:28.700 which is mainly

01:12:29.580 they are not

01:12:30.860 Justin Trudeau's

01:12:31.620 Liberals,

01:12:32.160 and that's the

01:12:33.060 key for them.

01:12:33.860 They have to remain

01:12:35.220 the alternative to

01:12:36.560 Trudeau,

01:12:37.180 the government

01:12:37.740 in the waiting,

01:12:38.840 the guys that will

01:12:39.440 come in and replace

01:12:40.440 Trudeau because

01:12:40.960 people are tired

01:12:41.640 of him.

01:12:42.360 So,

01:12:42.720 in that situation,

01:12:43.800 you don't need

01:12:44.480 to do that much

01:12:45.560 to be seen

01:12:47.180 and heard

01:12:47.720 as long as

01:12:49.180 you're kind of

01:12:49.840 leading some

01:12:50.920 of the conversation

01:12:51.560 on some of the

01:12:52.220 topics,

01:12:52.600 that's fine.

01:12:53.740 But this will

01:12:55.020 change come

01:12:55.600 election day

01:12:56.280 and when people

01:12:57.020 will really turn

01:12:57.680 their attention

01:12:58.300 to the campaign

01:13:00.160 we've seen

01:13:00.580 with other leaders

01:13:01.980 before.

01:13:02.700 They're not as

01:13:03.680 well-known as

01:13:04.200 the prime minister.

01:13:04.740 They cannot be,

01:13:05.420 they have not

01:13:05.820 been as exposed

01:13:07.240 to media

01:13:08.060 scrutiny,

01:13:08.640 but that will

01:13:09.340 change.

01:13:09.760 But for now,

01:13:10.940 you know,

01:13:11.480 they just need

01:13:12.480 to stay out of

01:13:13.120 the way and

01:13:13.620 not get into

01:13:14.160 trouble because

01:13:15.700 if they are

01:13:16.640 trying to push

01:13:17.360 too hard,

01:13:18.720 and I think

01:13:19.180 they have,

01:13:19.800 in some instances,

01:13:21.020 they've pushed

01:13:21.420 really hard,

01:13:22.440 they are raising

01:13:23.660 doubts about

01:13:24.400 their candidates.

01:13:25.260 You don't want

01:13:25.800 that.

01:13:26.140 You just want

01:13:26.700 to be the guy

01:13:27.460 who can replace

01:13:28.560 Justin Trudeau.

01:13:29.420 And right now,

01:13:30.040 it's working and

01:13:30.720 it should stay

01:13:31.140 like that.

01:13:32.100 If it's not

01:13:32.620 broke,

01:13:32.840 don't fix it

01:13:33.400 in many senses.

01:13:34.420 We'll have to

01:13:35.020 leave it there.

01:13:35.300 We'll leave

01:13:35.580 Mark Carney

01:13:35.980 for next week

01:13:36.620 because,

01:13:36.900 you know,

01:13:37.000 that's not

01:13:37.300 going anywhere.

01:13:37.920 But we'll

01:13:38.660 leave it there.

01:13:39.100 Guys,

01:13:39.360 thanks so much

01:13:39.720 for joining

01:13:40.020 us this morning.

01:13:40.500 I really

01:13:40.740 appreciate it.

01:13:42.000 Thank you so

01:13:42.540 lot.

01:13:43.200 Carl Belanger

01:13:43.680 is the president

01:13:44.160 of Attraction

01:13:44.620 Strategies.

01:13:45.200 Morgan Selle is

01:13:45.780 a strategist

01:13:46.300 and Post Media

01:13:46.760 columnist.

01:13:47.280 You can read

01:13:47.680 his latest

01:13:48.360 in the Toronto

01:13:48.760 Sun.

01:13:49.400 Tasha Carrodin,

01:13:50.060 political columnist

01:13:50.700 for the National

01:13:51.140 Post,

01:13:51.520 writer for GZero

01:13:52.240 Media.

01:13:52.500 Also,

01:13:52.900 I can't stop

01:14:02.220 this feeling

01:14:03.620 deep inside of me.

01:14:09.460 Girl,

01:14:10.000 you just don't realize

01:14:12.100 what you do to me

01:14:14.720 when you hold me

01:14:18.380 in your arms

01:14:20.100 so tight

01:14:21.040 you let me know

01:14:22.340 everything's

01:14:24.500 all right.

01:14:27.900 I'm

01:14:28.740 hooked on a feeling

01:14:30.700 I'm high on

01:14:33.900 believing

01:14:34.660 that you're

01:14:37.620 in love

01:14:38.420 with me.

01:14:42.380 It's as sweet

01:14:44.440 as candy

01:14:45.600 It's tasty

01:14:47.800 song

01:14:48.500 out of mine

01:14:49.580 Girl,

01:14:51.700 you got me

01:14:52.760 thirsty

01:14:53.480 For another

01:14:55.480 cup of wine

01:14:57.860 Got a block

01:15:00.280 from you

01:15:01.300 girl

01:15:01.740 But I don't

01:15:03.880 need no cure

01:15:05.540 I just

01:15:07.920 stay affected

01:15:09.320 If I can

01:15:11.360 for sure

01:15:12.480 of a good

01:15:15.280 love

01:15:15.780 When we're

01:15:17.000 all alone

01:15:18.080 Keep it up

01:15:19.240 girl

01:15:19.680 Yeah,

01:15:20.700 you turn

01:15:21.320 me on

01:15:22.680 I'm

01:15:25.640 hooked on

01:15:26.740 a feeling

01:15:27.580 I'm

01:15:30.200 high on

01:15:30.780 believing

01:15:31.540 That you're

01:15:34.620 in love

01:15:35.500 with me

01:15:36.480 All the

01:15:52.360 good

01:15:52.660 love

01:15:52.920 When we're

01:15:54.500 all alone

01:15:55.280 Keep it up

01:15:57.080 girl

01:15:57.620 Yeah,

01:15:58.420 you turn

01:15:59.060 me on

01:16:00.200 I'm

01:16:03.600 hooked on

01:16:04.640 a feeling

01:16:05.520 I'm

01:16:08.060 high on

01:16:08.660 believing

01:16:09.380 That you're

01:16:12.460 in love

01:16:13.360 with me

01:16:14.920 I'm

01:16:16.100 hooked on

01:16:16.660 a feeling

01:16:17.380 And I'm

01:16:19.900 high on

01:16:20.680 believing

01:16:21.360 That you're

01:16:24.480 in love

01:16:25.340 with me

01:16:26.920 I said

01:16:27.880 I'm

01:16:28.140 hooked on

01:16:28.660 a feeling

01:16:29.380 And I'm

01:16:31.900 high on

01:16:32.680 believing

01:16:33.380 That you're

01:16:36.480 in love

01:16:37.360 with me

01:16:38.640 That you're

01:16:38.760 in love

01:16:39.080 with me

01:16:39.280 You

kinsellacast - July 14, 2024

KINSELLACAST 319： America at war - with itself, with Adler, Lilley, Kheiriddin, Belanger plus hits from November 1971

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