KINSELLACAST 319： America at war - with itself, with Adler, Lilley, Kheiriddin, Belanger plus hits from November 1971
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Summary
In this episode of The KinsellaCast, Warren takes a deep dive into the assassination attempt on Donald Trump's presidential campaign during the Democratic National Convention in Cleveland, Ohio on Tuesday, and gives his five reasons why he thinks Trump is going to win the 2020 election.
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and we're back and it was one of those where were you moments uh we were out for dinner with
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some friends in bloomfield and brian and his gal were just chilling and hanging out with chloe the
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dog and all of us got the news so brian what was your reaction when you got the news uh well
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immediately i knew i had to go back to work um that's what happens for my line of work something
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happens you start writing uh but yeah we're just sitting over at st mike's uh college at university
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of toronto sitting in a nice grassy area watching chloe roll around in the grass early evening it's a
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it's a beautiful calm night toronto and then the text messages start coming in and
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um you know i i know there's lots of people criticizing the early headlines but early on
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people didn't know what it was i had to get home to listen to solid audio before i could say for sure
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yeah that's gunshots you think it is um but we've been around enough crazy events you say well let's
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be sure before you go publish something but as soon as you could hear the the clear audio you knew gun
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shots were going off and then it became a case of okay what just happened and that sure doesn't
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stop the psychos does it like because after i think it was you told me first and then uh via text and
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then i went over to twitter or formerly twitter now x and the second most trending word was staged
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and i'm like are you guys fucking kidding me yeah we don't even know what's going on here and
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you're already calling it staged like it's just like people this rush to judgment on social media
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and you think people have learned by now but but some of them sure haven't well and then you had
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people lamenting that including a doctor at the university of british columbia who teaches people
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in a course on the practice of medicine to save lives yeah lamenting the fact that he wasn't killed
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and and saying what a glorious day it could have been you are a ghoul you know you know that i i don't
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support either candidate in the states because i think they are bad for canada i do not wish either
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one of them to be shot dead uh you know i have no reference point for this i i had somebody respond to
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the piece that i wrote for the the front page of the sun today saying oh you're you're a bit overwrought here
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you obviously didn't live through the 1960s no i didn't i was born in 1971 but guess what i know
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what happened and the shooting of jfk rfk martin luther king jr those were not good things
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and neither was the shooting of reagan and in the 80s um political violence is not the answer
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we don't know much about this guy uh people are trying to figure out i think we've got his name now
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um and they're trying to figure out a a motive uh i i think there's got to be a lot of questions
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about how you let someone get within 150 yards of the president with the rifle i know he was outside
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of the perimeter um but you know i've been at these events and and i know enough to i haven't been to a
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presidential event like this but i've been to big events including with presidents and i'm always
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fascinated by where the snipers set up and i look for them and i would have thought that a position
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like that would have been one of the places that they had their own guy not somewhere they'd have
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to take out the bad guy yeah i think the secret service are going to have a very very bad summer
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because they've already announced congressional inquiries and so on and and properly so
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yeah you know i'm no ballistics expert either and i wasn't there either but it's like seriously
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guys he's up on the roof and you got people telling you that he's climbing up onto the roof
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with an assault rifle and and so there's that and then the other thing that it's just talking
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he hasn't even voted yet didn't even vote if if we've got the right person and he's got an assault
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rifle it's like well i i don't think you know a teenager should get an assault rifle you know without
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you fully checking him out but i mean uh cfra this morning i just kind of googled mass shootings
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july 2024 in the united states like i couldn't even fit them on the same screen there's been so
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many in the united states like it just it really feels they are they do have the different approach
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than we do to these types of issues and this is i think reminded me of that last night
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i yeah i don't think we need more gun laws in canada in fact i think ours are a bit too onerous and
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always on the guys who have been checked out and vetted and uh and done the background checks
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and not enough on the the criminals but the united states it's vastly different i remember years ago
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walking into a a store at a port in alaska and there was an ar behind the wall or hanging on the
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wall and i said to the guy what would i need to do to give you to walk out of here with that he said
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well the price tag says 1485 give me that it's yours but that's it he said i think i've been to
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that store in alaska actually right i'm coming off a cruise ship i'm i'm not a local you just hand it
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to me yep yeah so i you know i i find that a bit odd we we have a more balanced approach i i saw that
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you posted jimmy breslin's last line from the assassination of john lennon yeah and yeah i think
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my apologies those are the noises of toronto going off in the background the sirens uh they're
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uh time timely and perfect actually the the uh what one of the bizarre things this morning just
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like last night people were either cheering or minimizing it saying it didn't happen is
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well he wasn't shot it was part of a teleprompter that hit him does that make it any better and and how
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why would like the piece of teleprompter didn't magically fly off on its own and hit him
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oh it's a bullet there's there's an ap photograph where they slowed down and you see the bullet
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whizzing past his head it was an assassination attempt that's why the fbi has said it was an
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assassination attempt and we shouldn't have assassination attempts on our leaders or you know
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and then and some poor citizen i don't know who they are it sounds like it was a man was killed he
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was struck in the head by a bullet and and murdered man was shot in the head and then uh at least one
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woman uh injured through her arm and i believe there were other injuries as well so uh still can't
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believe the morning after that uh that that's something that uh that happened um you know thankfully
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you know we had political leaders on all sides rightly condemning it president biden um he was
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in saturday night mass when it happened apparently and yeah so and then came out and and reacted right
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away but it's uh all right well let's talk about the crass thing because we have to because you went
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back to work right away uh yes you you had to as you say and you know i'm getting ready for this podcast
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and what am i going to say but guys like us are expected i guess to be a little bit crass in moments
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like this it's 113 days to voting day and obviously we're all thankful that you know more people weren't
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killed and hurt and that trump wasn't killed what does this do to the u.s presidential race in the year
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2024 why had people immediately texting me well i guess this gets trump re-elected and i'm i'm not sure
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um will he get some sympathy immediately absolutely uh frank luntz who's a well-known pollster long time
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he was associated with the republican party i don't think he is anymore uh and he does a lot of focus
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groups he does a lot of polling and what he says is that there will be some movement towards trump
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out of sympathy but most of that will move back the difference will be is how motivated and determined
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will trump's voters be to go out and cast a ballot versus biden's and he thinks that will the shooting
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will make trump people much more determined to go out and he says that's worth one to two percentage
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points of the vote and in a place like pennsylvania which is very tight which is a battleground state
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that matters a lot i think that's a pretty good analysis i agree and they've got their convention
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starting next week he's going to be entering that thing looking like the messiah like it's just his
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vote is going to go bananas even more in support of the guy so i i was watching the setup for trump's
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speech um before i took chloe out and then chloe just kept bugging me and bugging me so you know as
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trump is coming on stage i'm leaving with chloe because you get that dog thing of dog owners no it's
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like i need to go out so i take her out or i would have been watching it live but you know as they were
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getting to to him coming on stage all the talk was will he announce the vice presidential pick because
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he's got to do it before the convention starts on monday and uh so in addition to sympathy from this
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he's going to be you know he's laid low since the debate with biden uh following the advice of when
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your opponents taking a hole or harming themselves in some way don't interrupt but now all the attention
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is going to be on him and in a very positive way convention is stage managed he gets his vice
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presidential pick he gets the keynote address um and he's doing the convention in a battleground state
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in wisconsin so the democrats have pulled their ads last night biden changed his schedule after he got
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out of mass um they have issued an order to all democratic operatives and surrogates to
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uh be very very careful what they say so they know that this is a big event this is a big event
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and they they just it's also the right thing to do it yeah it feels odd talking or posting about
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anything else so and yeah and then you know that's my reluctance even i dare to ask you the question but
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we have to look at it what is he was at a political rally he's a politician and he was talking about
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politics when he was shot and so what is the consequence of this we've talked about it helps
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the republican ticket i think up and down the ticket does it hurt democrats per se i think the
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president president biden said all the right things he he phoned trump to express uh support or sympathy or
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whatever he did so that was all good and in america this morning if you go online like it's actually
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they're fairly restrained to compare to how they usually are it was jd vance said something
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completely ignorant but um you know he he decided who was to blame for it already but the democrats like
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i don't it's going to be very difficult for them to figure out the right path in the next next few
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days isn't it i think they just lay low and let the republicans hold their convention uh and then that
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takes the discussion away from uh can uh is biden able to finish a sentence never mind the second
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term uh which has been the discussion for the past couple of weeks biden's cognitive abilities is he in
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decline uh and and by the way uh because we had talked about it last week i'm pulling up the same
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polling aggregator as last week when i think the difference was up to around three points nationally
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it's one point right now in the average of the last 10 polls trump's only ahead by one nationally
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uh but then uh you know arizona ahead michigan tied nevada a five-point lead pennsylvania
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right now average of the last five polls up to july 6th it's a 3.4 percent lead in pennsylvania
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so uh for trump yes for trump it's um it's still a battleground despite biden's very bad two weeks
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and uh so how this will play out we really can't tell but i think once is right uh republicans would
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be more determined to vote to show whoever shot him and he according to some reports is a registered
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republican from southern pennsylvania um yeah it'll make them more determined to go out
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and vote but uh just biden should just lay low let trump have his uh his convention and then start
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campaigning no i think that's good advice uh as usual they should listen to brian lily well thank you sir
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um enjoy the day as much as you can and hopefully you don't get get called in into work in front of
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your computer again uh but i suspect you will be so thank you for this have a great day and a great week
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And we're back. We're back with my friend Charles Adler. Charles, as I said to a couple people last night, this morning, it was one of those, where were you when, you know, it happened moments. Where were you when you got word that somebody tried to take Donald Trump's life?
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I was with some people, I was with some people, I was with some people, I was with some people, I was with some guys that I tend to see every Saturday afternoon.
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We're with some people, I was with somebody's disable, I was with some alcohol, I'm with some alcoholics.
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my phone, uh, checking out what's going on world outside of this soccer game.
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And there it is within the seconds of what happened in Pennsylvania, I've got
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And I say to guys, uh, we're going to have to switch the channel immediately
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because there's something much more important going on.
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And that's, that's what, that's where I was yesterday at, I guess, five 15
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So, um, six 15 Eastern that's, that's where I was.
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It was, um, and what happened is what always happens.
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A debate immediately commenced about, well, conspiracy theories about guns, about all
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I mean, you and I are not fans of Mr. Trump, but we don't want to see Mr.
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We want to see him defeated at the ballot box, but it's 113 days to the vote.
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Um, I don't think this guarantees a Trump win, but it, it probably helps his chances,
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Well, Reagan, uh, after his assassination attempt, his favorables went up between 15
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and 20 points, depending on which pollster you talked to.
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So here's, here's, uh, here's what matters most.
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There is no doubt in both Canada and especially in the United States where it really matters.
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There is no doubt that Donald Trump is being treated as the president.
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Everything about the coverage, especially the respectful tone toward Trump shown by every
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member of media, every Republican, every Democrat, every pundit, Donald Trump right now is the
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And unless Donald Trump is defeated in November, he will become the next president.
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But at the moment, the talk about whether Biden stays on the ticket or not, uh, is, is so 48
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hours old is, is so ancient and frankly, politically irrelevant.
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Unless Donald Trump shoots himself, he's the president.
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And then you raise an important point, you know, that's right now.
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And there's a reason why old guys like us say a week is a lifetime in politics.
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Things can change, but it seems to me at least in the next few days, because his convention,
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the Republican convention is opening up, uh, in the coming week.
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Uh, I think he's going to be entering that thing like the Messiah.
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It's, uh, they, they, they treated him like a deity before.
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Warren, I don't have to tell you that, uh, in the United States, uh, the slogan and God
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we trust, uh, God bless America still being sung, you know, seventh inning stretch baseball
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And for many people in the United States yesterday, God decided that Trump would live.
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Um, you and I, well, I think you're, you're like me.
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I just gave up talking about mass shooting events.
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You know, I went this morning, I Googled how many mass shooting events that happened in
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the month of July, 2024, not just the past year, just this month, which we're halfway through.
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And there were so many, I couldn't even fit them onto my screen.
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So here you've got this 20 year old who hasn't even voted yet.
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And he's got an assault rifle and, uh, is shooting at a presidential candidate and he killed
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Um, and, and, and seriously hurts some other people at that rally.
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Like the, the United States, again, to me, if I'm angry about anything, it's like, here
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How is it that you let disturb people, you know, uh, people who've got problems get their
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And PS, why do you have assault rifles available for sale in the state of Pennsylvania?
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And why do you have a presidential candidate who was just, who just dodged a bullet, grazed
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Um, why do you have him not saying anything about any of this?
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Because in recent months, when Donald Trump was asked about mass shootings, his position
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was that the people who survived the shootings and the families should just suck it up.
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Those are my words, but that's been his position.
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Do you think Warren, that Donald Trump will change his position because he's now been at
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It's very interesting you mentioned that because, you know, when Reagan was shot in 1981 by John
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Hinckley, um, one of Reagan's aides was shot in the head and survived, thank God, and went
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on to be a passionate advocate for gun control in the United States.
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And, um, like it, it, it truly is in every definition of the word, an existential event.
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Like it, people change after they have near death experiences, it would be something to
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And I think guys, we need to take a look at guns in this country and how easy it is to
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I'm not disagreeing with you, but you're being, uh, Warren Kinsella and you're being, you're
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And so, so much of the Trump campaign is not about being rational, uh, before he was put
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into that Chevy, a suburban to be taken to a medical facility and, you know, nearby spot
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somewhere in Pennsylvania, uh, he raised his fist and said to the people, fight, fight,
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It was no different than what Steve Bannon does and all that January 6th stuff.
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So can you imagine the person who's telling the public to fight, fight, fight, presumably
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Can you imagine that same person wanting to put a new Brady bill into law?
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James Brady was the one who was shot that you're talking about the aid and the, he and his
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wife campaigned successfully for an assault weapons ban bill, which has since been trashed.
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He was known as the Brady bill, but the guy who raised his fist and said, fight, fight,
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fight, in my opinion, will not be fighting for a new Brady bill, uh, uh, uh, a law to,
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to ban the sale of the kind of weapon this 20 year old was, was using on that rooftop.
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In my opinion, he will be even more NRA because his position will likely be that not enough
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It's not, you know, maybe they'll change their perspective.
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It's, um, because, you know, they're reacting according to type, you know, last night, I mean,
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that JD Vance, that son of a bitch who used to be one thing and is now something else, you
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know, immediately before the FBI even said, what's what said, Oh, it's the left.
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It's like, well, JD, actually this young man, apparently, apparently was a registered Republican.
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So like, you know, maybe, maybe you should accept the possibility that you're wrong.
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Warren, uh, it's not difficult to begin a conspiracy in the United States and it's never
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difficult beginning one after, uh, an assassination attempt, an assassination plot.
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Uh, and so right now we're on the verge of millions of Americans believing the secret
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They're not going to be calling it Donald Trump secret service.
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We're going to be calling it the deep state secret service of the Joe Biden, the secret
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service, the liberal secret service, the Democrat party.
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Anyway, the point is they will blame Joe Biden's Democrats for what happened in Butler, Pennsylvania
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And it will go on and on and on the entire right-wing ecosystem, right-wing solar system.
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We'll be blasting out this business about taking back America from the deep state and from Joe
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Biden's secret service, and they will label this as a plot by Joe Biden to assassinate
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And to your point, that iconic photograph, Trump with his fist raised and American flag
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in the background, and he's surrounded by secret service agents.
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Um, they're already fundraising on it, uh, you know, for a good cause, I guess so far for
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the families of those who were killed or injured at that rally, but I think they know the power
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Like it is, you and I have been in the news business for a long time and we know how hard
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You know, they shoot like 50 to get one decent shot, maybe underexposed, overexposed, blurry
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or whatever that, that photograph is just extraordinary.
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The first thing I saw on Twitter was people, the second most trending word was staged.
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People thought this could not possibly be real because it's so perfect.
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It's like something out of the movies, isn't it?
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There is video footage of secret service on a rooftop themselves getting the shooter into
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their crosshairs about half a minute before shots are fired.
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And so everyone is asking the question, well, if the secret service saw him and had him in
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their crosshairs, why the hell didn't they kill him before he had a chance to kill anyone?
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The question, it's the question that's killer in politics.
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Why did the government hesitate to kill someone who was about to kill the president or a former
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I mean, you know, I've worked for a prime minister.
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I learned like the way it works within an office of a prime minister or a president is the guys
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and gals in charge of security are in charge of security.
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And you can have a debate with them about the safety of a location or an event or in a way in
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But ultimately, they decide if they decide that it is an unsafe event, then you do not
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So I'm always hesitant to second guess the security people because they they've got the
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guns and the expertise and they know what they're doing.
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But man or man, you're asking the key question.
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It's like, guys, you had people telling you he was crawling up on the roof with a with
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I think that's a pretty fair question because that has implications not just for Trump, but
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And Kennedy doesn't even have a security detail.
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No, they didn't have to chase him up to the roof.
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And so the question that will be asked is, why didn't they kill this son of a bitch?
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In Ottawa, you know, if you go to like Canada Day, it's a nice event.
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Families are out and, you know, hot dogs and poutine.
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And, you know, you look up on East Block or West Block.
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And this has been the case since time immemorial.
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There are snipers up there watching the crowd, even when it's a family friendly crowd, because
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you have the prime minister there and the governor general.
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Like, it just I do not understand some of the decisions that were made at that event
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Well, if this is your implication, that the MAGA Republicans are going to make full and
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And remember, this was easy for a sniper to do.
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The moment the shooter started firing on the rally, he was taken out like within a nanosecond
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Well, if it was no challenge in that particular second, does anyone believe it would have been
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Switching gears or switching or focused up here, because I think two things.
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Number one, a lot of people are pretty happy to be Canadians this morning, because we feel
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like we just live in a slightly more sane environment.
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But I think Trudeau would be nuts to leave before the first week in November.
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I think he should wait to see if Trump, as I now increasingly believe, wins the election,
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because I think it will have an impact on the vote.
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I think a lot of Canadians will say, well, Donald Trump in the White House?
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You know, I don't want Pierre Paulyev running things up here.
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I think a Trump victory helps out Justin Trudeau.
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Look, anyone who tries to say that Pierre Paulyev and the people around him aren't fans of Donald Trump,
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aren't groupies of Donald Trump, anyone who believes that Pierre Paulyev and the people around him
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are going to challenge Donald Trump, I mean, forget about it.
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You know, Canada has been called a branch of the United States for the longest time.
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There is no doubt that politically, politically, a Paulyev government would be a branch plant of the Trump administration.
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They would do whatever they could to be his closest ally.
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And, of course, they would justify it in terms of it's better for trade, it's better for business, it's better for Canada.
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Most Canadians aren't necessarily nationalists.
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They do not want a Canadian government to be a puppet regime.
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They do not want the government of Canada to be for the United States what the government of Hungary and being someone who was born there.
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I'm ashamed of this, but whether I'm ashamed or not is irrelevant.
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I cannot imagine my country, because it says Canada on my passport, this is my country, I cannot imagine my country becoming for the United States what my birth country, Hungary, is for Vladimir Putin.
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I'm not interested in living in a puppet regime.
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And it's not going to be very difficult for Justin Trudeau to speak those kinds of words from his Canadian heart.
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But for the time being, the Biden people, I think, have wisely suspended their campaign.
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And hopefully, you know, some common sense and cooler heads prevail.
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Let me ask you a question about all of that, Warren, because this is critical.
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Putting aside Biden's age and the conflict about whether or not he stays on ticket, I just want to put that aside for the moment.
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The campaign, whether it's Joe Biden at the top of the ticket or Governor Newsom of California or Governor Whitmer of Michigan or whoever, Kamala Harris, whoever is running the Democratic campaign for the November election.
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It is going to be about Donald Trump, and it is going to be about whether or not you're prepared to take a risk on America going down the tubes as a Democratic country.
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It's going to be about democracy and Trump being a threat to democracy.
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So my question to you, Warren Kinsella, as of now, is the Democratic Party going to be afraid of making that case?
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Because they will be told every day by Republicans, friends of Republicans, and friends of Donald Trump and the MAGA crowd, that that kind of rhetoric endangers Donald Trump's life.
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You know, one of Biden's best arguments against Trump hasn't just been abortion.
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I've seen it at the doors when I was knocking on the doors for him.
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Last night is going to limit the ability of the Democrats to say certain things.
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And, you know, because progressives get tongue-tied talking about certain subjects.
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And conservatives like Trump are really good at talking about certain subjects.
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And they're going to jam last night in deep state and conspiracies.
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And, oh, you know, you're the ones who are really destroying democracy, not us.
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That's what it's going to be like for the next 113 days.
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So, I was on social media within, you know, an hour of the assassination attempt.
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And I said, Donald Trump won the election tonight.
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Not just because a lot of undecideds are going to move toward Donald Trump.
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Not just because this happened in Pennsylvania.
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And Pennsylvania, for sure, after last night, is not going to be in the Democratic column.
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If they lose Pennsylvania, they cannot win the election.
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I don't have to be a Warren Kinsella or a Charles Adler to know that.
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Pennsylvania is critical to their chances.
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But the other reason that Donald Trump has won the election is because if the Democrats hesitate to say about Donald Trump what needs to be said about Donald Trump, that means Donald Trump, that means that bullet has stolen the Democratic platform.
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And the Democrats cannot possibly win without prosecuting Donald Trump.
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My friend, thank you for your wisdom and your judgment on what is a very difficult morning.
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It's hard to talk about this stuff without, you know, stepping on a mistake.
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Want to know what motivates me to be here with you?
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But beyond that, Warren Kinsella, you make me proud to be a Canadian.
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Joining us on the phone this morning, on this Sunday morning,
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Warren Kinsella is a strategist and post-media columnist.
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Tasha Carradine, political columnist for the National Post,
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Doing something a little bit differently this morning.
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but I don't think we can ignore what's happening south of the border
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and the continuing coverage we've seen over the course of the past,
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Obviously, a very dark day in American history.
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Yeah, well, I think we have to start first by condemning the violence.
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a lot of details are now coming out about what happened.
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I think there's going to be a lot of fallout for various parties,
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that already are circulating around what happened,
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Sympathies, say it, to Donald Trump and his family.
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Joe Biden, Prime Minister Justice Trudeau among them.
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Warren, I guess this seems to be happening at a time.
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We haven't seen something like this in so long.
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But as Canadians looking, you know, down south,
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And some days, like July 12th, there were three.
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an attack on a politician's life is a terrible thing,
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Like, this stuff is going to keep happening to them,
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and that is a very big part of this conversation.
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But, obviously, there's been a lot at play here.
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but something we haven't seen in literally decades.