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00:00:00.000 It's the KinsellaCast, starring Warren Kinsella.

00:00:12.160 Hey, it's Warren. Welcome to the KinsellaCast.

00:00:15.140 So much stuff going on.

00:00:18.560 And it's summertime.

00:00:20.540 For starters, we're going to be stateside next week,

00:00:24.420 and I plan to do a bit of campaigning for Ms. Harris and the Democrats.

00:00:28.080 And I'm really looking forward to doing that,

00:00:30.340 because I always learn things when I knock on doors.

00:00:33.120 American election law doesn't allow me to donate a nickel

00:00:36.580 nor occupy a senior position in anybody's campaign,

00:00:40.320 but that doesn't ever stop me.

00:00:41.960 I've worked for the Democrats for years, and I'm looking forward to doing that.

00:00:45.400 Also this week, I've got a story in post-media about Samadun,

00:00:49.880 which you may have heard of.

00:00:51.080 They're a non-profit in Vancouver that advocates for Hamas. 0.60

00:00:55.240 Its leadership sings the praises of Hamas and their atrocities on October 7th. 0.78

00:01:02.240 And, like, that's problematic enough,

00:01:04.080 but they're an accepted non-profit by the federal government, 0.95

00:01:07.620 and that is completely fucking outrageous and unacceptable. 0.92

00:01:11.180 So you can read about that on my substack or in the sun. 0.99

00:01:14.360 And finally, you could have knocked me over with a proverbial feather

00:01:18.300 when word came through that my longtime friend, Charles Adler,

00:01:21.960 had been appointed to the Senate.

00:01:23.560 I did not see that one coming.

00:01:25.840 Because, you know, I've been on Charles' show and he on mine for, like, 25 years.

00:01:31.980 Like, I know this guy.

00:01:34.240 Like, he's going to be sitting as an independent senator, as they're called.

00:01:38.760 And listen to me, folks in Ottawa.

00:01:41.140 If you want a senator who's going to be independent, I guarantee you, Charles Adler will deliver.

00:01:45.960 He's advocated for conservatives.

00:01:47.360 He's advocated for liberals.

00:01:48.780 He said nice things about New Democrats.

00:01:50.700 He's got friends in every party and enemies in every party, which is what you want.

00:01:54.820 And he is unafraid to speak the truth as he knows it.

00:01:58.140 So I talked to him on this week's show and throw some tough questions at him.

00:02:02.700 And you can judge for yourself how he did.

00:02:04.860 And then I've also got the regulars.

00:02:06.580 None of them are senators yet.

00:02:09.100 Brian Nilley, Tasha Carradine, John Mraz, Carl Belanger.

00:02:12.980 And some great music.

00:02:13.920 This crazy swami guy's got a song about hot dogs and ketchup and mustard. 1.00

00:02:18.000 Song of the Summer.

00:02:19.800 OBGMs from Toronto. 0.99

00:02:21.380 Great punk band.

00:02:23.380 What else?

00:02:24.260 Cryogeezer.

00:02:25.440 Terrific band.

00:02:26.180 Last Gang.

00:02:27.180 Last Gang.

00:02:27.700 This weird jazz, reggae, kind of punk fusion.

00:02:31.420 And then Grumpster is back.

00:02:33.400 So great show.

00:02:34.600 Thanks for tuning in.

00:02:35.780 I'm not a senator yet, but the day is still young.

00:02:38.760 I want it all, won't be denied.

00:02:50.160 Everything chips on the side.

00:02:52.580 The road to access to the promised land.

00:02:57.480 I won't be judged, won't be shamed.

00:03:00.380 My appetite can't be tamed.

00:03:03.180 I demand a bean feast every day.

00:03:06.780 I want ketchup and mustard and relish.

00:03:11.680 I want ketchup and mustard and relish.

00:03:15.640 I want ketchup and mustard and relish

00:03:19.580 I want ketchup and mustard and relish

00:03:25.600 In a barn and two hands

00:03:35.280 The world is in my grasp

00:03:37.760 I need mustard, take me to your leader

00:03:41.420 Won't back down, won't give in

00:03:45.960 On the sleeve or on the chin

00:03:48.440 I want everything that you can give me

00:03:52.680 I want ketchup and mustard and relish

00:03:57.260 I want ketchup and mustard and relish

00:04:01.180 I want ketchup and mustard and relish

00:04:05.140 I want ketchup and mustard and relish

00:04:11.080 Ketchup and mustard and relish

00:04:29.460 I want ketchup and mustard and relish

00:04:33.380 I want ketchup and mustard and relish

00:04:37.360 I want ketchup and mustard and

00:04:40.680 And we're back.

00:04:44.480 And let me say, I've been jokingly referring to this guy as a senator for years,

00:04:49.680 But now I can say it for real

00:04:52.360 Charles Adler, Senator Adler, welcome to the Kinsella cast

00:04:57.440 Thanks very much

00:04:58.660 And you don't have to call me that again

00:05:01.960 We're friends, okay?

00:05:04.820 And friends don't call friends by honorifics

00:05:08.040 And so you can just call me Charles or Chuck

00:05:11.080 But I appreciate the thought

00:05:12.780 And I know, knowing you, that you're all warmed up to throw some high heat

00:05:19.420 But I've done that to you, you can do that to me

00:05:22.140 That's what friends are for

00:05:23.780 All right, well here comes one

00:05:25.800 So, it's not you, it's the body

00:05:29.180 You know, both of us have lived in the United States

00:05:32.580 And worked in the United States

00:05:34.060 And down there, you know, senators are elected

00:05:36.880 And have legitimacy because of that

00:05:39.960 And up here, we've got an appointed body

00:05:42.580 That's got power

00:05:44.020 Real power to change legislation

00:05:47.180 How do you square that with, you know, the belief

00:05:52.100 That you and I have talked about over the years

00:05:54.120 Which is that the Senate is not a legitimate body

00:05:57.380 One of the only things that was given to me

00:06:03.840 Almost as a directive

00:06:05.180 Even though it wasn't technically a directive

00:06:07.060 From the Prime Minister

00:06:08.340 When I spoke with him 10 days ago

00:06:11.380 And he called to ask me to do this

00:06:15.000 He said, I want you to be as independent

00:06:19.600 Today, tomorrow, and the next day

00:06:21.500 As you have ever been

00:06:22.800 I don't want you to think

00:06:24.920 That any of this means

00:06:27.700 That I'm expecting you to support legislation

00:06:31.800 Vote for legislation

00:06:33.520 That my government puts forward

00:06:36.340 It's very important for me

00:06:39.680 To have Charles Adler expressing his thoughts

00:06:43.260 His feelings

00:06:44.360 His values

00:06:46.000 This is not a partisan appointment

00:06:48.840 You are not a partisan

00:06:50.560 And I don't want you to be a partisan

00:06:52.660 So, the best answer I can give you

00:06:56.520 Is that he's highly aware

00:06:58.420 Of what you're talking about

00:07:00.360 And if I had my druthers

00:07:03.420 Would I want to be elected to the Senate

00:07:09.960 As opposed to advised by the Prime Minister

00:07:14.060 And appointed by the Governor General

00:07:16.400 Yeah

00:07:16.980 But I have always said

00:07:19.360 On the air, off the air

00:07:21.400 That what makes Canada great

00:07:24.040 Is not just the people of Canada

00:07:27.320 Who are hardworking

00:07:28.460 And for the most part honest

00:07:30.360 And for the most part non-partisan

00:07:31.920 What makes Canada great

00:07:33.360 Is we've got really solid institutions

00:07:35.380 That keep our democracy going

00:07:37.600 And that would include the courts

00:07:39.080 And that would include the Parliament

00:07:40.780 And a piece of the Parliament

00:07:43.940 It may be archaic

00:07:45.760 And it may need even more reform

00:07:47.400 Than it's gotten in recent years

00:07:49.160 Is the Senate

00:07:50.120 And I hope that's

00:07:51.660 As full-throated an answer

00:07:53.260 As you're expecting from your friend

00:07:54.560 It is

00:07:56.200 And, you know

00:07:57.280 Congratulations for the Prime Minister

00:07:58.960 For saying that to you

00:08:00.340 Because I think if they don't know it

00:08:02.620 They're about to discover

00:08:03.740 What I've known for 25 years

00:08:05.360 Which is Charles Adler

00:08:06.460 Really is an independent voice

00:08:08.740 And is prepared to give credit

00:08:11.120 Where credit is due

00:08:12.460 And the criticism

00:08:13.340 Where criticism is due

00:08:14.360 However

00:08:14.960 This is my second curveball

00:08:18.460 I'm throwing at you

00:08:19.340 You know

00:08:20.100 You have been in your career

00:08:22.680 For most of your career

00:08:24.380 Seen as a Conservative

00:08:25.560 I always saw you

00:08:26.540 As a progressive Conservative

00:08:27.720 But a lot of people

00:08:28.860 Thought you were a Conservative

00:08:29.960 And then

00:08:30.900 You've become much more critical

00:08:32.780 Of the Conservative Party

00:08:33.940 Led by Pierre Polyev

00:08:35.200 In recent years

00:08:36.340 What do you say to people

00:08:37.920 That, well

00:08:38.860 If you hadn't

00:08:40.440 Banked towards the centre

00:08:42.120 You would not be getting

00:08:43.620 That call

00:08:44.480 To go to the Senate

00:08:46.040 What's your answer to them?

00:08:47.780 I can't give you

00:08:48.880 An answer

00:08:50.540 That is reliable

00:08:52.680 Because I can't give you

00:08:55.020 An answer that's fact-based

00:08:56.300 And all I can give you

00:08:58.160 Is a thought

00:08:59.080 An opinion

00:09:00.360 I can't be inside

00:09:01.900 The head

00:09:02.320 Of the Prime Minister

00:09:03.760 I can't be inside

00:09:05.080 The heads

00:09:05.500 Of the advisory board

00:09:06.620 In Manitoba

00:09:07.300 Real

00:09:08.140 Regular Manitobans

00:09:10.220 Recommending me

00:09:11.900 All I can offer

00:09:13.740 Is gratitude

00:09:14.400 I mean

00:09:15.000 If it weren't

00:09:15.420 For Manitobans

00:09:16.140 Over the many years

00:09:17.200 I mean

00:09:17.520 We're talking over

00:09:18.660 The course of half a century

00:09:19.960 Yeah

00:09:20.240 I've left Manitoba

00:09:22.020 Like a lot of Manitobans 0.68

00:09:23.120 Do

00:09:23.320 Like a lot of Ontarians

00:09:24.540 Leave Ontario

00:09:25.220 You know

00:09:25.600 It's a free country

00:09:26.540 And I've left

00:09:27.440 From time to time

00:09:28.140 I've always come back

00:09:28.960 Because

00:09:29.320 This is home

00:09:30.680 You know

00:09:31.100 I'm speaking to you

00:09:31.700 From Manitoba

00:09:32.360 And if it weren't

00:09:32.980 For Manitobans

00:09:33.760 The recommendation

00:09:34.940 Wouldn't have been made

00:09:36.420 But can I get

00:09:37.200 Into the heads

00:09:37.900 Of every single person

00:09:39.540 Who made that recommendation

00:09:40.680 Including the Prime Minister

00:09:41.780 Himself

00:09:42.200 And say

00:09:43.080 Well

00:09:43.360 Maybe a piece

00:09:44.700 Of the puzzle

00:09:45.360 Is that I haven't

00:09:46.720 Exactly

00:09:47.560 I've been a supporter

00:09:49.000 Of the Conservative Party

00:09:50.240 Of Canada

00:09:50.700 In recent years

00:09:51.920 And I'm certainly

00:09:52.740 Not a supporter

00:09:53.920 Of Pierre Polyev

00:09:55.000 Is that part

00:09:56.340 Of the decision

00:09:57.680 That they were making

00:09:58.440 I don't know

00:10:00.540 And I don't

00:10:01.720 Want to pretend to know

00:10:03.060 Okay

00:10:05.860 So

00:10:06.320 Well

00:10:07.320 I guess

00:10:07.820 You know

00:10:08.160 I think a lot of people

00:10:09.120 Think it probably

00:10:10.000 Didn't hurt

00:10:10.700 But I think

00:10:11.380 As everybody

00:10:12.620 Is about to discover

00:10:13.600 They're going to learn

00:10:14.260 Some things

00:10:14.800 About my friend

00:10:15.940 Adler

00:10:16.620 Who

00:10:18.260 Will surprise people

00:10:20.120 And not be nearly

00:10:21.620 As partisan

00:10:22.260 I know that

00:10:23.180 Trudeau's got 1.00

00:10:24.140 This bullshit 1.00

00:10:25.240 About an independent 0.99

00:10:26.460 Senator thing

00:10:28.120 But you know

00:10:29.260 At the end of the day

00:10:30.400 The person you were

00:10:31.380 Appointed with

00:10:32.080 Was a former

00:10:32.940 Liberal candidate

00:10:33.740 That doesn't sound

00:10:34.520 Very independent

00:10:35.200 But in your case

00:10:36.400 In your case

00:10:37.400 I think that's

00:10:38.020 Going to be different

00:10:38.660 So I

00:10:39.640 Romeo LeBlanc

00:10:41.500 Jimmy Munson

00:10:43.300 Marjorie LeBret

00:10:45.780 There have been

00:10:46.420 Some great ones

00:10:47.260 Over the years

00:10:47.860 All of them

00:10:48.560 Went to the Senate

00:10:49.560 With a focus

00:10:51.180 In the case of Romeo

00:10:52.740 And he became

00:10:53.500 The goddaughter

00:10:54.200 Godfather to my

00:10:55.600 Daughter

00:10:56.320 As a result

00:10:57.360 His focus was

00:10:58.740 Indigenous Canadians

00:10:59.860 What as a senator

00:11:01.560 Is going to be

00:11:02.280 Your legislative focus

00:11:03.640 What is the thing

00:11:04.660 That is going to

00:11:05.160 Move you the most

00:11:06.060 I know this will

00:11:07.520 Piss you off my friend

00:11:08.320 But once again 0.99

00:11:08.840 I have to tell you

00:11:09.360 I don't know

00:11:09.940 Because I'm

00:11:10.740 No different than

00:11:11.740 Someone going to

00:11:13.020 A university

00:11:13.580 Not exactly sure

00:11:14.920 Of which

00:11:15.600 Courses

00:11:16.420 They want to take

00:11:17.920 And so they

00:11:18.440 Audit different

00:11:19.040 Classes to find

00:11:19.960 Out whether

00:11:21.040 They've got

00:11:21.440 Chemistry with

00:11:22.100 The professor

00:11:22.640 With the lecturers

00:11:23.560 With the students

00:11:24.280 With the curriculum

00:11:25.020 And they make

00:11:25.980 A decision

00:11:26.400 So at the moment

00:11:27.180 I'm a rookie

00:11:27.740 I'm in training

00:11:28.960 I've got the

00:11:29.400 Training wheels on

00:11:30.260 And I'm positive

00:11:31.840 I'll be able to

00:11:32.480 Answer your question

00:11:33.180 In a few months

00:11:33.800 But there's no way

00:11:34.680 Once again

00:11:35.280 I can give you

00:11:36.260 An evidence based

00:11:36.980 Answer

00:11:37.360 Because I've not

00:11:38.160 Been there

00:11:38.560 Well no

00:11:40.000 That doesn't

00:11:40.760 Piss me off at all

00:11:41.440 I think that's

00:11:42.040 Actually an honest

00:11:43.180 Answer

00:11:43.420 My son is going

00:11:44.460 Off to law

00:11:45.160 School in the fall

00:11:45.900 And I told him

00:11:46.620 Don't plan to be

00:11:47.800 A corporate lawyer

00:11:48.620 Don't plan to be

00:11:49.500 A criminal defense

00:11:50.380 Lawyer

00:11:50.740 See where it goes

00:11:51.960 See what you feel

00:11:52.860 See what you know

00:11:53.680 Passion moves you

00:11:55.020 And so that

00:11:56.040 Is a good thing 0.54

00:11:57.520 So you know

00:11:59.740 Going forward

00:12:00.740 You know

00:12:02.120 We're going to

00:12:02.600 Want to have you

00:12:03.360 On this show

00:12:03.820 What if you get

00:12:04.320 A call one day

00:12:05.200 From Katie Telford

00:12:07.040 Or you know

00:12:07.680 One of her minions

00:12:08.440 That says

00:12:08.940 We don't want you

00:12:09.520 On that

00:12:09.920 Can sell a show

00:12:10.800 Anymore

00:12:11.420 Or we don't

00:12:12.660 Want you doing

00:12:13.180 This or can

00:12:13.920 You go do that

00:12:14.700 What's your

00:12:15.440 Reaction going to

00:12:16.380 Be to you know

00:12:17.800 Phone calls or

00:12:18.660 Urgings like that

00:12:19.700 How independent

00:12:20.620 Do you want to be

00:12:21.760 How independent

00:12:22.420 Do you think

00:12:23.080 They want you to be

00:12:24.300 Well if someone

00:12:26.160 Like Katie Telford

00:12:26.980 Who's the

00:12:27.620 Chief of staff

00:12:28.920 For the prime minister

00:12:29.660 If she tries to

00:12:30.820 Tell me that

00:12:31.360 She doesn't want 1.00

00:12:32.440 Me on this show

00:12:33.620 I'll just refer

00:12:34.660 Her to her boss 0.99

00:12:36.320 Because her

00:12:39.160 You know

00:12:40.340 Her boss

00:12:41.220 Feels very strongly

00:12:42.700 That I should

00:12:43.880 Do what I want to

00:12:44.700 Do and say

00:12:45.340 What I want to say

00:12:46.120 And continue to be

00:12:47.320 A free and

00:12:47.740 Independent person

00:12:48.500 So I would

00:12:49.340 Humbly suggest

00:12:51.360 To her that

00:12:51.940 I don't think

00:12:52.760 That she wants

00:12:53.220 To piss off

00:12:53.780 The boss

00:12:54.240 And you know

00:12:56.940 Beyond that

00:12:57.600 I mean if

00:12:58.140 She continued

00:12:59.220 The conversation

00:12:59.900 I'd have to say

00:13:00.500 Katie you know

00:13:01.660 I respect the

00:13:02.920 Hell out of you

00:13:03.320 But you're out of line 0.99

00:13:04.000 Good on you

00:13:05.680 Well thank you

00:13:06.580 For that

00:13:06.980 And we're

00:13:08.000 Going to hold

00:13:08.720 You to that

00:13:09.360 You know

00:13:11.140 One of the

00:13:11.900 Well I hear

00:13:12.440 Actually here's

00:13:13.000 A housekeeping question

00:13:14.020 So what next

00:13:15.220 So you've got to

00:13:16.000 Be sworn in

00:13:16.800 Right

00:13:17.040 You've got to

00:13:17.840 Set up an office

00:13:19.180 In Ottawa

00:13:19.740 When does all

00:13:20.720 That stuff happen

00:13:21.680 So I was told

00:13:23.020 That once the

00:13:23.960 Governor general

00:13:24.880 Gave this a seal

00:13:26.140 Of her approval

00:13:27.540 I'm a senator

00:13:29.500 So the people

00:13:31.440 Not my friends

00:13:32.660 Not you

00:13:33.180 But if others

00:13:34.100 You know

00:13:35.000 Want to call me

00:13:35.540 That

00:13:35.780 That's fine

00:13:36.420 I'm honored

00:13:36.800 To have that

00:13:38.860 That title

00:13:39.640 So officially

00:13:40.700 I'm a senator

00:13:41.540 But yes

00:13:42.120 I have to be

00:13:42.660 Sworn in

00:13:43.180 And I will be

00:13:44.500 Sworn in

00:13:44.960 The first week

00:13:45.840 That the Senate

00:13:46.760 Reconvenes

00:13:47.500 Which will be

00:13:49.040 The week of

00:13:50.260 September 17th

00:13:51.500 Well I may

00:13:53.340 May have to

00:13:54.020 Make my way

00:13:54.600 Up to Ottawa

00:13:55.180 To stand on

00:13:55.920 The sidewalk

00:13:56.520 And throw

00:13:57.800 Rose petals

00:13:58.540 Or something

00:13:59.100 To celebrate

00:13:59.880 That event

00:14:00.540 So

00:14:00.920 Well you can

00:14:01.380 Actually

00:14:01.680 You can

00:14:02.120 Actually

00:14:02.480 You can

00:14:03.240 Actually

00:14:03.600 You know

00:14:04.440 Get a

00:14:05.000 Pass to the

00:14:06.240 Gallery

00:14:07.040 There's an

00:14:07.740 Absolute

00:14:08.220 Despite all

00:14:09.040 The rocks

00:14:09.460 That you've

00:14:09.900 Thrown

00:14:10.900 At different

00:14:11.380 People over

00:14:12.020 The years

00:14:12.460 I have

00:14:13.540 Been told

00:14:14.440 By reliable

00:14:15.500 Sources that

00:14:16.260 Warren Kinsella

00:14:16.980 Is still welcome

00:14:17.600 On the hill

00:14:18.020 Excellent

00:14:20.320 Well I'm glad

00:14:21.320 To hear it

00:14:21.800 I have to

00:14:22.260 Go up and

00:14:22.680 See my

00:14:23.120 Former boss

00:14:23.780 Mr.

00:14:24.080 Kretzja

00:14:24.540 So I think

00:14:25.320 I have to

00:14:25.780 Go see my

00:14:26.400 Friend Mr.

00:14:28.080 Adler

00:14:28.400 Too

00:14:28.700 Final question

00:14:29.860 Just you

00:14:31.220 Know real

00:14:31.580 Life

00:14:32.060 Like

00:14:32.960 You know

00:14:34.580 When you

00:14:34.860 Get that

00:14:35.340 Phone call

00:14:36.220 That extraordinary

00:14:37.620 Phone call

00:14:38.620 From a

00:14:39.060 Prime minister

00:14:39.660 And saying

00:14:41.580 Something like

00:14:42.380 That

00:14:42.820 What did

00:14:43.900 You feel

00:14:44.460 What did

00:14:44.800 Your family

00:14:45.400 Feel

00:14:45.780 Your friends

00:14:46.480 You know

00:14:47.000 I would

00:14:47.420 Imagine it

00:14:47.940 Was a pretty

00:14:48.260 Smart

00:14:48.620 Small circle

00:14:49.580 Of people

00:14:50.000 Who knew

00:14:50.520 What was

00:14:51.420 The emotional

00:14:52.040 Reaction

00:14:52.540 What was

00:14:53.000 The

00:14:53.260 How did

00:14:53.900 It feel

00:14:54.420 Tell us

00:14:54.960 How it

00:14:55.240 Felt

00:14:55.520 When you

00:14:55.780 Got that

00:14:56.200 Call

00:14:56.480 Well

00:14:57.240 I couldn't

00:14:58.380 Get my

00:14:58.760 Thought away

00:14:59.560 From and

00:15:00.120 That's

00:15:00.600 It's been

00:15:01.000 The case

00:15:01.360 For the

00:15:01.600 Last 10

00:15:02.000 Days

00:15:02.300 From my

00:15:03.460 Father

00:15:03.780 I mean

00:15:05.220 Mike Adler

00:15:06.000 Is looking

00:15:06.380 Over my

00:15:06.820 Shoulder

00:15:07.280 Always

00:15:07.960 Just as

00:15:09.260 Your late

00:15:09.880 Father is

00:15:10.500 And I

00:15:12.020 Just

00:15:12.320 Thought about

00:15:14.320 What it would

00:15:15.140 Be like to

00:15:15.580 Have a

00:15:15.860 Conversation

00:15:16.420 With my

00:15:16.700 Father

00:15:16.960 About this

00:15:17.540 And I

00:15:18.180 Wish my

00:15:18.500 Father was

00:15:19.080 In the

00:15:19.680 Room

00:15:19.920 Because I

00:15:21.720 Know

00:15:22.060 That while

00:15:23.200 My father

00:15:23.680 Had some

00:15:24.100 Issues

00:15:24.460 With many

00:15:25.440 Of my

00:15:25.740 Choices

00:15:26.220 Over the

00:15:27.240 Years

00:15:27.580 Because I

00:15:28.320 Think I've

00:15:28.880 Shared with 0.86

00:15:29.320 You that my

00:15:29.800 Father wanted

00:15:30.320 Me to be

00:15:30.740 A lawyer

00:15:31.120 Wanted me

00:15:33.400 To be

00:15:33.820 A member

00:15:36.260 Of the

00:15:36.480 Profession

00:15:36.960 That you've

00:15:38.200 Been so

00:15:38.520 Marvelous

00:15:38.960 At

00:15:39.200 And he

00:15:40.540 Wanted me

00:15:41.040 To

00:15:41.400 Dream of

00:15:43.580 One day

00:15:45.180 Being

00:15:45.560 Even though

00:15:46.680 My father

00:15:47.120 Loved Canada

00:15:47.700 And thought

00:15:48.040 Of this

00:15:48.300 As the

00:15:48.540 Promised

00:15:48.840 Land

00:15:49.100 My father

00:15:49.520 Dreamed of

00:15:50.080 His son

00:15:51.020 Being a

00:15:51.340 Lawyer

00:15:51.660 In the

00:15:52.200 Hague

00:15:52.440 In the

00:15:53.600 Netherlands

00:15:53.920 At the

00:15:54.520 International

00:15:54.900 Criminal Court

00:15:55.700 Prosecuting

00:15:57.040 War criminals 0.85

00:15:57.700 No matter

00:15:58.940 What country

00:15:59.500 They were

00:15:59.820 From

00:16:00.140 No matter

00:16:01.280 Who they

00:16:01.700 Committed

00:16:02.000 Crimes

00:16:02.400 Against

00:16:02.860 My father

00:16:04.420 Wanted that

00:16:05.900 To be

00:16:06.340 The Adler

00:16:07.420 Legacy

00:16:07.820 Because of

00:16:08.780 What was

00:16:10.160 Done

00:16:10.420 To his

00:16:11.460 Father

00:16:11.820 And many

00:16:13.120 Other members

00:16:13.640 Of his

00:16:13.920 Family

00:16:14.280 And so

00:16:15.160 My choice

00:16:17.340 Of broadcasting

00:16:18.040 As far as

00:16:18.780 My father

00:16:19.160 Was concerned

00:16:19.700 Was a

00:16:20.940 Disappointment

00:16:21.680 And it

00:16:23.060 Was only

00:16:23.440 When he

00:16:23.780 Was in

00:16:24.040 The throes

00:16:24.440 Of Alzheimer's

00:16:25.300 One of

00:16:26.660 The caregivers

00:16:27.180 Saw him

00:16:28.220 Pointing to

00:16:28.740 The radio

00:16:29.180 Because my

00:16:30.320 Show was

00:16:30.760 On the

00:16:31.240 Radio

00:16:31.560 At two

00:16:33.160 O'clock

00:16:33.460 In the

00:16:33.700 Afternoon

00:16:34.100 In Montreal

00:16:34.620 And my

00:16:36.480 Father was

00:16:36.920 Pointing to

00:16:37.280 The radio

00:16:37.680 And spoke

00:16:39.260 Almost no

00:16:39.840 Words

00:16:40.180 He was

00:16:40.760 Almost

00:16:41.160 Nonverbal

00:16:42.060 At that

00:16:42.360 Point

00:16:42.620 But he

00:16:43.700 Said

00:16:43.980 My son

00:16:44.780 My son

00:16:45.840 That told

00:16:47.440 Me

00:16:47.620 That he

00:16:47.940 Had forgiven

00:16:48.340 Me

00:16:48.720 Well that's

00:16:51.120 Beautiful

00:16:51.540 Well he

00:16:52.760 Is up in

00:16:53.360 Heaven

00:16:53.600 Looking down

00:16:54.400 And saying

00:16:55.260 He's pretty

00:16:55.780 Proud of

00:16:56.240 His son

00:16:56.740 This week

00:16:57.960 So

00:16:58.320 My dad

00:17:00.440 Too

00:17:00.740 My dad's

00:17:01.200 Looking down

00:17:01.660 Pretty proud

00:17:02.220 Of you

00:17:02.500 So it's

00:17:03.300 Pretty awesome

00:17:04.460 And

00:17:05.080 Congratulations

00:17:06.480 Again to

00:17:07.620 My friend

00:17:08.180 Of many

00:17:08.540 Many years

00:17:09.300 Senator

00:17:10.840 Charles

00:17:11.880 Adler

00:17:12.520 Thank you

00:17:13.440 Thank you

00:17:14.320 To my

00:17:15.100 Friend

00:17:15.420 The son

00:17:15.920 Of the

00:17:17.000 Late great

00:17:17.440 Dr.

00:17:17.880 Douglas

00:17:18.260 Kinsella

00:17:18.840 Warren

00:17:19.800 Kinsella

00:17:20.380 You're a

00:17:21.940 Mensch

00:17:22.160 Thank you

00:17:22.920 Thanks

00:17:24.020 Brother

00:17:42.520 One

00:17:43.040 Two

00:17:43.380 υ

00:18:12.520 Lying

00:18:16.060 Damage

00:18:19.520 Chiding

00:18:22.520 Two ashes

00:18:26.520 I'm finding

00:18:28.820 Silence

00:18:32.520 I'm finding

00:18:35.520 Didn't want to keep on finding

00:18:41.860 Truth in

00:18:45.900 Rejection

00:18:49.120 I just kept on

00:18:53.440 Collecting

00:18:55.620 And all through

00:18:58.860 Rejection

00:19:02.200 Wish I could have been

00:19:06.520 Perfection

00:19:11.860 It's not that bad

00:19:19.120 You want it bad

00:19:26.700 It's not that bad

00:19:31.960 It's not that bad

00:19:33.960 It's not that bad

00:19:35.960 You want it bad

00:19:38.280 If you wanted

00:19:40.540 You want it bad

00:19:45.800 And I knew

00:19:47.800 You deserve time

00:19:51.800 Sorry

00:19:53.800 I would

00:19:57.800 Do it again

00:20:01.800 But I'd be

00:20:04.060 Flying

00:20:07.060 And we're back

00:20:13.320 And we're back

00:20:14.000 With Senator Lilly

00:20:15.360 Well, he's not really a senator

00:20:17.260 Like Charles Adler is

00:20:18.660 But I love calling you Senator

00:20:20.900 I think I've been doing that for a long time

00:20:22.900 Yeah, that's for people that don't know

00:20:25.640 You call up Warren Kinsella

00:20:26.920 And he will often answer the phone

00:20:28.380 With your senator

00:20:29.180 And you've called me that

00:20:31.560 As long as I've known you

00:20:32.360 It's more than 15 years now

00:20:33.740 And, but, you know

00:20:36.320 Uncle Chuck gets that

00:20:37.500 Official title now

00:20:39.460 Whereas I do not

00:20:41.360 I'm not sure if I'd want to be a senator

00:20:43.620 Maybe

00:20:44.040 I mean

00:20:44.540 It, you know

00:20:45.920 Charles is getting it

00:20:47.020 At almost age 70

00:20:48.040 It's a nice little retirement package for him

00:20:50.540 Should he have done it?

00:20:53.220 Is it

00:20:53.720 I mean, you know

00:20:55.460 We've both known him for a long time

00:20:56.940 We knew him when he was conservative

00:20:58.220 Now he sounds an awful

00:20:59.800 Like a liberal

00:21:00.520 He's been appointed

00:21:02.860 As a so-called independent senator

00:21:04.760 Was it the right thing to do

00:21:08.040 For him

00:21:08.720 For Trudeau

00:21:09.500 For the country

00:21:10.280 Like, my personal view

00:21:11.600 Is that the Senate

00:21:12.720 Should be abolished

00:21:13.660 I don't think we should have

00:21:14.460 A legislative body

00:21:15.460 That is appointed

00:21:16.280 But we do

00:21:17.520 What do you think

00:21:18.760 Should have happened here?

00:21:21.220 Well, it's hard to get rid of the Senate

00:21:23.200 Stephen Harper

00:21:23.900 Tried to reform it

00:21:26.140 And he couldn't even do that

00:21:27.640 He wanted term limits

00:21:29.340 He wanted

00:21:30.320 Other changes

00:21:32.240 And he couldn't get that through

00:21:33.880 So we're stuck with it

00:21:37.340 He decided he wasn't going to appoint anyone

00:21:39.960 And look at how that turned out

00:21:41.700 Justin Trudeau comes in

00:21:43.380 Says I'll make it independent

00:21:44.540 And then appoints a bunch of liberals

00:21:46.140 To the Senate

00:21:46.800 And he's appointed 82 people

00:21:49.220 Since he came in

00:21:51.120 82, wow

00:21:53.260 Yep

00:21:54.480 Because Stephen Harper

00:21:56.120 Had left a few dozen appointments vacant

00:21:58.400 Because he got so frustrated

00:21:59.840 Not only with his inability

00:22:02.580 To reform the place

00:22:03.940 Because of the Constitution

00:22:05.040 The lack of cooperation

00:22:06.340 But also because of

00:22:08.180 Things like what

00:22:09.160 What happened with

00:22:10.480 With Mike Duffy

00:22:11.640 And he just said

00:22:12.240 To hell with it

00:22:13.000 I don't want anything to do

00:22:14.060 With the place anymore

00:22:14.940 Left them vacant

00:22:16.260 So here's our

00:22:17.840 Toronto Sun headline

00:22:19.080 Announcing Adler's appointment

00:22:21.620 It says

00:22:22.400 Grit candidate

00:22:23.420 Comma

00:22:24.000 Cheerleader

00:22:24.880 In quotes

00:22:25.680 Join Senate

00:22:26.800 Now

00:22:27.180 There were two people

00:22:28.700 Appointed yesterday

00:22:29.940 The other is a woman 0.88

00:22:30.800 Named Tracy Mugley

00:22:31.760 She's a former liberal candidate

00:22:33.660 From Saskatchewan

00:22:34.760 For

00:22:35.200 The Trudeau Liberals

00:22:36.760 And the cheerleader 0.98

00:22:38.280 Is Adler

00:22:39.200 Because while he used to be

00:22:40.440 A critic of the Trudeau government

00:22:42.140 Over the last while

00:22:43.040 He has been

00:22:43.780 A

00:22:44.280 Cheerleader

00:22:46.480 For sure

00:22:47.080 And of course

00:22:47.840 People are going through

00:22:48.720 His

00:22:49.100 His old

00:22:49.720 Comments

00:22:51.340 And I'm sure

00:22:52.380 It won't amount

00:22:54.840 To a big story

00:22:55.680 But people are going to

00:22:56.700 To poke him

00:22:58.120 At it

00:22:58.540 With comments like

00:22:59.700 Living with the

00:23:01.500 Canadian Senate

00:23:02.340 Is living a lie

00:23:03.600 It's not a chamber

00:23:04.560 Of sober second thoughts

00:23:05.860 It's a chamber

00:23:07.300 Of drunken second chances

00:23:09.180 That was Charles Adler

00:23:11.020 In 2013

00:23:11.760 Back when we were

00:23:13.860 On Sun News together

00:23:15.000 Adler was one of the people

00:23:16.840 That

00:23:17.180 You know

00:23:18.440 Fans of the network

00:23:19.340 Would say

00:23:19.740 Why can't you be more

00:23:20.600 Conservative like Charles Adler

00:23:22.000 Because there were things

00:23:24.000 That he was

00:23:24.500 Hardcore on

00:23:25.460 That I wasn't

00:23:26.180 He used to have me on

00:23:27.380 To debate

00:23:27.840 Things like capital punishment

00:23:29.620 And say

00:23:30.640 You know

00:23:31.540 He fully believed

00:23:32.480 In capital punishment

00:23:33.420 And my

00:23:34.000 I have many reasons

00:23:35.440 Not to

00:23:36.680 Not to

00:23:37.580 Support capital punishment

00:23:38.940 From

00:23:39.380 Moral ones

00:23:41.000 To

00:23:41.360 You know

00:23:42.860 As I remember

00:23:43.640 Saying to him

00:23:44.160 On air

00:23:44.440 Charles

00:23:44.800 I don't trust

00:23:45.460 The government

00:23:45.900 To deliver the mail right

00:23:47.140 Why would I trust

00:23:48.000 To decide

00:23:48.580 Who lives and dies

00:23:49.440 And

00:23:51.000 But he was

00:23:51.880 A firm believer

00:23:52.680 In capital punishment

00:23:53.580 You know

00:23:54.380 For as much as

00:23:55.280 People care about

00:23:55.980 The Senate

00:23:56.380 Conservatives

00:23:57.100 And opponents

00:23:57.920 Of the Senate

00:23:58.380 Will go through

00:23:58.920 His old comments

00:23:59.800 And

00:24:00.100 Taunt him

00:24:01.220 For a while

00:24:01.800 But

00:24:02.100 You know

00:24:03.020 He got the call

00:24:04.480 At some point

00:24:05.300 And

00:24:05.960 Would I turn it down

00:24:07.700 If I was

00:24:08.300 69, 70

00:24:09.400 Okay

00:24:09.920 You get five years

00:24:10.760 To go to Ottawa

00:24:11.400 And try and do

00:24:12.760 Some good work

00:24:13.440 You know

00:24:14.220 Maybe

00:24:14.940 Maybe I'd

00:24:16.020 Say yes as well

00:24:17.240 Yeah

00:24:19.100 I don't think

00:24:19.620 I'm going to get

00:24:20.080 The call

00:24:20.500 Because there's

00:24:20.920 Too many clippings

00:24:21.820 With Kinsella

00:24:22.520 Calling the Senate

00:24:23.320 An abomination

00:24:24.040 But

00:24:25.240 You know

00:24:25.980 I mean

00:24:26.300 To your point

00:24:27.080 There are a lot

00:24:28.240 Of good people there

00:24:29.300 Munson and others

00:24:31.420 As you point out

00:24:32.500 And Marjorie

00:24:34.100 Jimmy and Marjorie

00:24:35.740 Two of my favorite

00:24:36.720 Senators

00:24:37.160 Are now retired

00:24:38.020 But

00:24:38.820 You know

00:24:39.340 They've done good work

00:24:40.180 And you know

00:24:41.080 There's too many

00:24:41.760 Canadians

00:24:42.220 Can't get past

00:24:42.980 The image

00:24:43.440 Of Andy Thompson

00:24:44.240 In the 90s

00:24:45.920 90s people

00:24:47.040 He was a senator

00:24:49.000 Who decided

00:24:49.800 He was going to

00:24:50.320 Live in Mexico 0.97

00:24:50.940 And I think

00:24:52.280 It was CTV

00:24:52.940 Got the

00:24:53.600 The images

00:24:55.100 Of him

00:24:55.640 Just checking

00:24:56.340 His Mexican mailbox

00:24:57.460 For his

00:24:58.060 Senate of Canada

00:24:58.800 Paycheck

00:24:59.580 And

00:25:00.780 Too many people

00:25:01.840 Still angry about that

00:25:03.100 That was a long time ago

00:25:04.300 And since then

00:25:05.580 There have been

00:25:05.900 A lot of people

00:25:06.780 Do good work

00:25:07.480 In the Senate

00:25:07.920 Yeah

00:25:09.180 No for sure

00:25:09.880 Senator Grafstein

00:25:10.920 Others that I know

00:25:11.800 Are good people

00:25:12.740 But anyway

00:25:13.240 Anyway

00:25:13.980 Congratulations Charles

00:25:15.280 Congratulations

00:25:15.900 Senator Adler

00:25:17.520 And I guess

00:25:18.720 We're going to find out

00:25:19.540 How independent

00:25:21.020 Charles is going to

00:25:22.160 Be allowed to be

00:25:22.960 So

00:25:23.640 These appointments

00:25:25.200 Wasn't a raft of them

00:25:26.640 Wasn't like

00:25:27.520 The

00:25:28.020 Orgy of patronage

00:25:29.920 As Mr. Mulroney

00:25:31.180 Put it

00:25:31.560 The Turner did 0.87

00:25:32.440 In the summer

00:25:33.600 Of 84

00:25:34.380 At the behest

00:25:36.600 Of Mr.

00:25:37.380 The departing

00:25:37.980 Mr. Trudeau

00:25:38.720 Is this an indication

00:25:40.240 When this kind of stuff

00:25:41.180 Happens

00:25:41.760 As you and I

00:25:42.360 Both know

00:25:43.000 It is kind of

00:25:44.520 A canary

00:25:45.080 In the coal mine

00:25:46.040 On

00:25:46.340 On where

00:25:47.520 Government's heading

00:25:48.380 They're saying

00:25:48.780 Well we're going to

00:25:49.280 Pack it in

00:25:49.960 Let's make

00:25:50.740 Katie Telford

00:25:51.520 A senator

00:25:51.980 We don't really 0.99

00:25:52.600 Give a shit 0.94

00:25:53.120 What people think 0.99

00:25:53.840 Anymore

00:25:54.240 Is 0.88

00:25:54.980 Is that a

00:25:55.840 Possibility

00:25:56.420 I wouldn't

00:25:59.880 Think so

00:26:01.160 I'd be looking

00:26:01.740 For something

00:26:02.660 A bit more

00:26:03.200 Orgyistic 0.80

00:26:04.020 For that

00:26:05.480 But do

00:26:07.540 You know

00:26:07.900 Do

00:26:09.340 Do start

00:26:10.120 Looking for

00:26:10.960 The

00:26:11.480 You know

00:26:13.800 The odd

00:26:14.420 Appointments

00:26:15.080 These are

00:26:15.960 Not out of the

00:26:16.820 Ordinary for

00:26:17.440 Trudeau

00:26:17.840 But yeah

00:26:19.140 When he starts

00:26:19.780 Stacking

00:26:20.820 Positions

00:26:22.440 Everywhere

00:26:23.140 That's probably

00:26:25.380 A sign that

00:26:26.140 Okay we know

00:26:26.940 We're done

00:26:27.440 We know

00:26:27.980 We're on the

00:26:28.460 Way out

00:26:28.880 Let's put

00:26:30.960 Our people

00:26:31.520 In places

00:26:32.260 Where they

00:26:32.660 Will get

00:26:33.020 Paid

00:26:34.020 What was

00:26:34.420 Kyle

00:26:34.680 Lowry

00:26:35.140 Kawhi

00:26:36.660 Leonard

00:26:36.880 Statement

00:26:37.980 Boardman

00:26:38.480 Got to

00:26:38.780 Get paid

00:26:39.260 And so

00:26:40.160 People will

00:26:40.660 Be looking

00:26:41.020 To get

00:26:41.280 Paid

00:26:41.680 On the

00:26:41.940 Way out

00:26:42.380 And so

00:26:43.500 You take

00:26:44.100 Someone who's

00:26:44.560 Been a

00:26:44.860 Good staffer

00:26:45.680 And you

00:26:45.900 Stuff them

00:26:46.360 Into an

00:26:47.300 Appointment

00:26:47.880 In an

00:26:48.780 Agency

00:26:49.380 Somewhere

00:26:49.880 And so

00:26:50.380 And so

00:26:50.540 You put

00:26:51.380 Some people

00:26:52.120 In the

00:26:52.480 Senate

00:26:52.720 I think

00:26:53.480 These two

00:26:54.080 Were just

00:26:54.440 Filling

00:26:55.160 Open

00:26:55.920 Vacancies

00:26:56.880 What about

00:26:58.680 The rumor

00:26:59.200 That both

00:26:59.760 Of us

00:27:00.080 Have heard

00:27:00.520 And both

00:27:01.020 Of us

00:27:01.320 Have pretty

00:27:01.740 Good sources

00:27:02.540 Including

00:27:03.860 Within the

00:27:04.440 Liberal Party

00:27:05.000 That 40% 1.00

00:27:06.660 Of sitting

00:27:08.120 Liberal MPs

00:27:09.800 Do not

00:27:10.560 Intend to

00:27:11.140 Run again

00:27:11.680 Like you

00:27:12.400 Always get

00:27:12.800 People who

00:27:13.280 Aren't going

00:27:13.700 To run

00:27:14.080 Again like

00:27:14.520 Todd Smith

00:27:15.060 Announced

00:27:15.560 With Doug

00:27:16.840 Ford's

00:27:17.340 Government

00:27:17.700 On Friday

00:27:18.980 Afternoon

00:27:20.280 But 40%

00:27:21.700 Is an

00:27:22.100 Awful lot

00:27:22.620 Isn't it

00:27:23.160 It really

00:27:25.320 Is and

00:27:26.180 It becomes

00:27:26.880 Bigger

00:27:27.660 When you

00:27:27.900 So Todd

00:27:28.740 Smith was

00:27:29.280 In the

00:27:29.560 Ontario

00:27:30.000 Legislature

00:27:30.880 For 13

00:27:31.520 Years

00:27:31.880 And he

00:27:33.440 Was elected

00:27:34.200 At the age

00:27:34.660 Of 40

00:27:35.340 He's 53

00:27:36.360 Now

00:27:36.860 Decides

00:27:37.540 You know

00:27:38.660 What I

00:27:38.900 Want to do

00:27:39.280 Something else

00:27:39.760 With my

00:27:40.120 Career

00:27:40.440 Towards the

00:27:41.400 End

00:27:41.620 Monty

00:27:42.060 McNaughton

00:27:42.620 He

00:27:43.900 Started

00:27:44.580 Younger

00:27:45.000 But was

00:27:45.320 In about

00:27:45.600 The same

00:27:45.960 Amount

00:27:46.200 Of time

00:27:46.620 You start

00:27:47.320 Getting

00:27:47.540 People who

00:27:48.000 Are one

00:27:48.400 Term

00:27:48.680 Saying

00:27:49.000 I'd like

00:27:49.700 To spend

00:27:50.000 More time

00:27:50.480 With my

00:27:50.820 Family

00:27:51.200 That's

00:27:52.900 When

00:27:53.280 Things are

00:27:54.220 Bad

00:27:54.480 But you

00:27:55.580 Know

00:27:55.760 If I

00:27:57.160 Was a

00:27:57.560 Sitting

00:27:57.920 Liberal

00:27:58.260 MP

00:27:58.560 In Ontario

00:27:59.100 Right now

00:27:59.700 Unless my

00:28:01.100 Writing

00:28:01.460 Was called

00:28:02.680 Ottawa

00:28:03.780 Vanier

00:28:04.420 Which I

00:28:05.520 Don't

00:28:05.760 Believe

00:28:05.980 Has voted

00:28:06.320 For another

00:28:06.900 Party

00:28:07.360 Since

00:28:07.680 Confederation

00:28:08.460 I'd be

00:28:09.840 Saying

00:28:10.580 What are

00:28:11.160 The other

00:28:11.500 Opportunities

00:28:12.240 Out there

00:28:12.640 What

00:28:13.440 Job

00:28:14.100 Can I

00:28:14.520 Get

00:28:14.840 And

00:28:15.620 I think

00:28:17.080 That's

00:28:17.320 What a

00:28:17.620 Lot of

00:28:17.940 Them

00:28:18.060 Are doing

00:28:18.460 Final

00:28:20.840 Question I

00:28:21.500 Have for

00:28:22.020 You

00:28:22.220 And just

00:28:23.040 So everybody

00:28:23.620 Knows

00:28:24.240 Brian

00:28:24.720 Lilly is

00:28:25.520 One of the

00:28:26.500 Top Canadian

00:28:27.280 Political

00:28:27.780 Commentators

00:28:28.620 And writers

00:28:29.180 But he

00:28:30.000 Sits

00:28:30.300 And clicks

00:28:31.300 Refresh

00:28:31.940 Refresh

00:28:31.960 Refresh

00:28:32.520 Refresh

00:28:33.040 To see

00:28:33.900 Where the

00:28:34.260 Numbers

00:28:34.640 Are going

00:28:35.140 In US

00:28:35.740 Swing

00:28:36.080 States

00:28:36.520 About the

00:28:37.060 Coming

00:28:37.480 Contest

00:28:38.420 Between

00:28:38.840 Kamala

00:28:39.260 Harris

00:28:39.640 And

00:28:39.900 Donald

00:28:40.160 Trump

00:28:40.500 So

00:28:41.180 Brian

00:28:41.720 For those

00:28:42.480 Of us

00:28:42.860 Who don't

00:28:43.200 Follow it

00:28:43.640 As closely

00:28:44.000 As you

00:28:44.220 And I

00:28:44.680 Help

00:28:44.880 About the

00:28:45.140 Democrats

00:28:45.500 I should

00:28:46.020 Follow it

00:28:46.420 More

00:28:46.600 Closely

00:28:47.340 Where are

00:28:48.560 Things at

00:28:49.160 Right now

00:28:49.700 Where do you

00:28:50.420 Think it's

00:28:50.820 Heading

00:28:51.020 Is she

00:28:51.380 Going to

00:28:51.600 Win

00:28:51.840 Is he

00:28:52.260 Going to

00:28:52.460 Win

00:28:52.680 What's

00:28:53.320 The latest

00:28:53.760 Well I

00:28:54.720 Still think

00:28:55.440 It's too

00:28:55.880 Early to

00:28:56.300 Tell

00:28:56.620 It

00:28:58.620 Is definitely

00:29:00.000 Swung back

00:29:00.720 In her

00:29:01.680 Favor and

00:29:02.160 We talked

00:29:02.480 About that

00:29:02.860 Last week

00:29:03.460 Like the

00:29:04.300 Ipsos

00:29:04.960 Poll

00:29:05.300 From June

00:29:06.360 That showed

00:29:06.800 Only 60%

00:29:07.660 Of Democrats

00:29:08.300 Were going

00:29:08.720 To definitely

00:29:09.760 Vote

00:29:10.100 Because there

00:29:11.000 Was no

00:29:11.860 Enthusiasm

00:29:12.520 For Biden

00:29:13.120 And now

00:29:13.900 That Harris

00:29:14.360 Has been

00:29:14.680 In a

00:29:14.900 Bit

00:29:15.060 It's up

00:29:15.440 To 71%

00:29:16.500 It's still

00:29:17.420 Too early

00:29:17.740 To tell

00:29:18.200 If she's

00:29:19.520 Going to

00:29:19.740 Win

00:29:20.000 They are

00:29:22.200 Effectively

00:29:22.980 Statistically

00:29:23.800 Tied

00:29:24.220 She's

00:29:24.620 Closed

00:29:25.240 The

00:29:25.360 Enthusiasm

00:29:26.040 Gap

00:29:26.420 Last week

00:29:28.040 We talked

00:29:28.400 About that

00:29:28.760 Ipsos

00:29:29.120 Poll

00:29:29.380 That showed

00:29:29.820 That in

00:29:30.340 June

00:29:30.600 Only 60%

00:29:31.480 Of Democrats

00:29:32.220 Said they

00:29:33.320 Were definitely

00:29:33.900 Going to

00:29:34.360 Vote

00:29:34.620 And that's

00:29:35.100 Because there

00:29:35.380 Was no

00:29:35.620 Enthusiasm

00:29:36.260 For Joe

00:29:36.660 Biden

00:29:37.000 And then

00:29:37.820 When they

00:29:38.260 Released an

00:29:39.000 Update on

00:29:39.460 That poll

00:29:39.900 Last week

00:29:40.560 It was

00:29:41.180 71%

00:29:42.000 Of Democrats

00:29:42.660 Were

00:29:42.940 Definitely

00:29:43.700 Going to

00:29:44.180 Vote

00:29:44.400 Which was

00:29:45.600 Effectively

00:29:46.400 And statistically

00:29:47.040 Tied with

00:29:47.740 Republicans

00:29:48.300 At 73

00:29:48.960 So

00:29:49.320 National

00:29:50.060 Polling

00:29:50.540 She's

00:29:51.380 Ahead by

00:29:51.860 One

00:29:52.240 Point

00:29:52.560 On

00:29:52.840 Average

00:29:53.200 That's

00:29:54.980 Statistically

00:29:55.800 A tie

00:29:56.200 And of

00:29:56.480 Course

00:29:56.640 In 2016

00:29:57.660 Trump

00:29:58.820 Lost the

00:29:59.420 National

00:30:00.300 Popular

00:30:00.740 Vote

00:30:01.000 By two

00:30:01.440 Points

00:30:01.840 And still

00:30:02.580 Won

00:30:03.220 The

00:30:04.260 Election

00:30:05.440 Because he

00:30:05.860 Won the

00:30:06.120 Electoral

00:30:06.420 College

00:30:06.800 I sent

00:30:07.460 I sent

00:30:07.480 You a

00:30:07.740 Map

00:30:08.000 Yesterday

00:30:08.400 And I

00:30:10.060 Believe it

00:30:10.360 Was from

00:30:10.900 Five

00:30:12.040 Thirty

00:30:12.360 Eight

00:30:12.620 That's

00:30:12.960 Nate

00:30:13.120 Silver's

00:30:13.740 Thing that

00:30:14.320 He does

00:30:14.620 With ABC

00:30:15.220 News

00:30:15.680 They

00:30:17.540 Take the

00:30:18.680 Electoral

00:30:18.960 College

00:30:19.440 And

00:30:19.720 Every

00:30:21.760 Website

00:30:22.980 That

00:30:23.400 Plays in

00:30:24.700 The polls

00:30:25.060 Has this

00:30:25.980 Thing where

00:30:26.360 You can

00:30:27.140 Design your

00:30:28.240 Own map

00:30:28.680 But

00:30:29.500 Five

00:30:30.720 Five

00:30:30.740 Thirty

00:30:30.980 Eight

00:30:31.240 Let's

00:30:31.700 You start

00:30:32.040 With what's

00:30:32.480 Called the

00:30:32.820 Consensus

00:30:33.340 Map

00:30:33.660 And that

00:30:34.780 Is the

00:30:35.120 One where

00:30:35.720 They

00:30:36.900 They highlight

00:30:37.820 States in

00:30:38.540 Red or

00:30:39.100 Blue

00:30:39.400 If they're

00:30:40.580 Definitely

00:30:41.100 Going to

00:30:42.540 One party

00:30:43.200 Or the

00:30:43.480 Other

00:30:43.680 And then

00:30:44.280 They leave

00:30:44.720 The swing

00:30:45.180 States

00:30:45.600 So

00:30:46.440 Right now

00:30:47.680 The

00:30:47.840 Republicans

00:30:48.280 Are still

00:30:48.760 Ahead by

00:30:49.220 A bit

00:30:50.020 On that

00:30:50.540 I think

00:30:50.820 It's like

00:30:51.080 Two

00:30:51.360 Thirty

00:30:51.660 Five

00:30:52.480 Or

00:30:52.660 Two

00:30:52.860 Forty

00:30:53.580 Something

00:30:53.880 To

00:30:54.340 Two

00:30:55.060 Twenty

00:30:55.320 Five

00:30:55.640 For the

00:30:55.900 Democrats

00:30:56.400 And you

00:30:56.980 Need

00:30:57.160 Two

00:30:57.540 Seventy

00:30:57.960 To win

00:30:58.320 The

00:30:59.000 Seventy

00:30:59.600 Some

00:30:59.960 Odd

00:31:00.160 Toss

00:31:00.480 Ups

00:31:00.800 Electoral

00:31:02.020 College

00:31:02.440 Votes

00:31:02.780 Well

00:31:03.540 There was

00:31:05.060 One

00:31:05.320 Scenario

00:31:05.680 That I

00:31:06.080 Did

00:31:06.300 Where

00:31:06.820 If

00:31:09.160 Trump

00:31:09.680 Takes

00:31:10.020 Georgia

00:31:10.700 Arizona

00:31:11.900 Nevada

00:31:13.620 He

00:31:15.900 You know

00:31:16.340 He can

00:31:16.700 Get to

00:31:17.020 268

00:31:17.920 She could

00:31:19.060 Get to

00:31:19.360 270

00:31:19.900 But if

00:31:20.820 He takes

00:31:21.200 Any of

00:31:21.640 The northern

00:31:22.000 Ones

00:31:22.400 Plus those

00:31:22.880 Southern

00:31:23.200 Ones

00:31:23.520 Which it

00:31:23.860 Looks like

00:31:24.220 He will

00:31:24.500 Right now

00:31:24.960 He takes

00:31:25.940 A single

00:31:26.380 Northern

00:31:26.740 State

00:31:27.120 He becomes

00:31:28.100 President

00:31:28.560 That's how

00:31:30.440 Tight this

00:31:30.900 Is 0.88

00:31:31.220 It's

00:31:32.020 Tight

00:31:32.280 Well it's

00:31:32.620 Exciting

00:31:33.160 And it's

00:31:33.660 Exciting

00:31:34.060 For guys

00:31:34.640 Like you

00:31:35.060 And me

00:31:35.400 Who are

00:31:36.020 Not

00:31:36.260 Senators

00:31:36.780 Yet

00:31:37.140 So

00:31:37.760 I guess

00:31:39.320 We'll have

00:31:39.740 To wait

00:31:40.020 For the

00:31:40.280 Phone

00:31:40.480 Call

00:31:40.800 Can I

00:31:42.000 Tell you

00:31:42.300 A line

00:31:42.620 That John

00:31:43.000 Torrey

00:31:43.300 Told me

00:31:43.680 Once

00:31:44.040 About being

00:31:44.900 Appointed

00:31:45.240 Senator

00:31:45.620 There was

00:31:46.460 All these

00:31:46.800 Rumors

00:31:47.120 That John

00:31:47.620 Torrey

00:31:47.960 The now

00:31:48.300 Former

00:31:48.740 Mayor

00:31:49.160 Of Toronto

00:31:49.640 Was going

00:31:50.260 To be

00:31:50.480 Appointed

00:31:50.800 To the

00:31:51.120 Senator

00:31:51.360 And I

00:31:51.620 Called up

00:31:52.060 John

00:31:52.400 And he

00:31:53.300 Said

00:31:53.580 Oh

00:31:53.920 Being a

00:31:54.900 Senator

00:31:55.300 A Canadian 0.53

00:31:57.100 Senator 1.00

00:31:57.540 Is useless 1.00

00:31:58.240 The only

00:31:58.640 Thing it

00:31:59.000 Might get

00:31:59.380 Me is a

00:31:59.780 Better

00:32:00.020 Reservation

00:32:01.580 At a

00:32:01.960 Table

00:32:02.320 In Florida

00:32:03.060 When I'm

00:32:03.540 Down there

00:32:04.040 Because they

00:32:04.520 Wouldn't

00:32:04.760 Know

00:32:04.940 The difference

00:32:05.920 Between

00:32:06.280 An American

00:32:06.780 And a

00:32:07.120 Canadian

00:32:07.540 True

00:32:10.320 Enough

00:32:10.600 Well listen

00:32:11.540 Man

00:32:11.800 Thank you

00:32:12.420 So much

00:32:12.940 For this

00:32:13.560 Have a

00:32:14.080 Great

00:32:14.400 Day

00:32:14.720 And a

00:32:15.020 Great

00:32:15.260 Week

00:32:15.540 And I

00:32:15.780 Look forward

00:32:16.160 To your

00:32:16.560 Elevation

00:32:17.000 To the

00:32:17.400 Senate

00:32:17.600 Oh

00:32:34.740 Oh

00:32:35.280 Oh

00:32:37.820 Oh

00:32:42.720 We'll be right back.

00:33:12.720 We'll be right back.

00:33:42.720 We'll be right back.

00:34:12.720 We'll be right back.

00:34:42.700 We'll be right back.

00:35:12.680 We'll be right back.

00:35:42.660 We'll be right back.

00:36:12.640 We'll be right back.

00:36:42.640 In general, you know, we've talked about the usefulness of the Senate, particularly since appointments were independent, quote unquote.

00:36:50.240 Does this kind of lead credence to the fact that it's independent or is this still kind of, you know, a lot of pomp and circumstance?

00:36:56.420 My best story about the Senate, I ran for Cretien in 97 in North Vancouver, and Royce Fritt, now departed, sadly, was a liberal senator at the time.

00:37:06.900 And the morning after he called me, you know, and he said, Warren, the three best words in the English language the morning after an election are, good morning, Senator.

00:37:18.180 And I guess that's what Charles is, and I guess that's what Charles is feeling this morning, he's a friend of all of us.

00:37:26.820 He and I have been friends for years, and I did not know it was coming.

00:37:31.800 Like, you could have knocked me over with a feather yesterday.

00:37:34.580 So, you know, I wished him congratulations, but I have not wavered from my view that the Senate is an abomination.

00:37:43.160 And, you know, I'm glad for my friend and all that stuff, but in a modern democracy, we should not have a body that is unelected making decisions on legislation in the way that the Senate does.

00:38:00.260 And, you know, when you go to the United States, as I'm going to be next week, when you tell them we have senators, they say, yes, so what?

00:38:06.780 So do we.

00:38:07.920 And then you tell them, oh, by the way, they have power and they're unelected, and they can't believe it.

00:38:12.860 Nobody can believe it, and I think we should abolish it.

00:38:16.660 And I know you're not alone on that.

00:38:18.360 A lot of people feel that way, particularly since it did go to kind of a more, quote-unquote, kind of independent process here.

00:38:24.640 Tasha, and as we mentioned here, yes, congratulations once again to Charles Adler here.

00:38:28.620 But, yes, Tasha, I think there still is that pressure of do we really need this at the end of the day?

00:38:34.800 Well, yeah, I mean, there's a debate on the Senate and getting rid of the Senate.

00:38:37.980 I've debated in favor of getting rid of the Senate myself.

00:38:41.060 I share Warren's issues with it.

00:38:42.700 I think that it is not in a modern democracy.

00:38:45.580 It's not a body that you can really defend.

00:38:48.620 It's a holdover, essentially, of the Westminster system.

00:38:51.900 It's the House of Lords in the U.K.

00:38:53.280 It's a similar idea.

00:38:54.740 And it was always used to put in, traditionally, to put in patronage appointments, right, for the party in power.

00:39:00.580 Trudeau tried to change that, allegedly change that.

00:39:03.280 It's not really changed, though I find it funny because, you know, I defended, not defended, I congratulated Charles Adler on Twitter.

00:39:09.960 And the vitriol, the vitriol of the conservative side on this thing, he's a liberal.

00:39:16.580 I mean, it's like pouring out of the computer.

00:39:18.400 I'm like laughing.

00:39:19.340 I'm like, what is, people have nothing better to do than dump on someone who's been, you know, a strong public figure for 30 years and has a lot of gravitas.

00:39:27.860 And so, you know, people will say these are just patronage appointments as well, even though they're not patronage, but they're partisan.

00:39:35.780 The independent senator idea is not a real idea.

00:39:39.600 I don't think, I don't consider Charles Adler a liberal, but many of the senators appointed have had liberal roots.

00:39:46.000 And there's been a study done to show that it's, you know, far more than conservative.

00:39:50.360 So is it really independent?

00:39:52.940 No, not really.

00:39:54.700 I don't know what the Senate is anymore, but it's going to have a lot more power.

00:39:57.640 And this is part of the problem, right?

00:39:59.220 Because it's not bound by party rules.

00:40:00.980 In fact, it's now, you know, it's its own animal and it's not elected.

00:40:06.020 So it is a problem.

00:40:07.040 Yeah.

00:40:07.400 And some of the vitriol that you are seeing online, too.

00:40:10.040 Go ahead.

00:40:10.480 I just want to echo what Tasha said, because, you know, we all know Charles.

00:40:15.820 He is truly independent.

00:40:18.900 You know, he's been a conservative.

00:40:20.740 He sounds like a liberal lately, but I have him on my podcast every week.

00:40:25.980 And he's prepared to give everybody credit or criticism, the case may be.

00:40:31.860 So he is independent.

00:40:33.640 He is, you know, somebody who hopefully will be an independent senator.

00:40:37.200 But again, you know, the body itself, not the individual, because there's lots of great senators.

00:40:42.820 It's just the body itself.

00:40:44.080 It rankles.

00:40:45.260 It feels at a place in a modern democracy.

00:40:47.380 And a lot of times it is kind of a cap on an amazing career for a lot of Canadians as well.

00:40:53.100 So it is, you know, it is a place where we do see a lot of people that have done a lot of important work in this country as well.

00:40:59.020 But just in terms of just last one here on Adler as well, because you mentioned here, you know, he sounds a little bit more like a liberal nowadays.

00:41:05.380 But that's kind of been his contention right with the party over the course of the past 10 years is that it has moved further to the right and he hasn't been afraid to kind of stand up to that.

00:41:13.780 Is there something to kind of say about that?

00:41:15.420 I don't know that that idea of independence and the idea that you can criticize your party without, you know, being a cancer to your party as well.

00:41:25.200 I don't know who wants to take this, Warren or Tasha.

00:41:27.520 Tasha, I guess you find yourself in the same place as well sometimes.

00:41:30.040 Let me sing Tasha's praise.

00:41:32.380 She's one of those people and she's got she's endured some slings and arrows for it. 1.00

00:41:39.120 She's been prepared to criticize her own party.

00:41:41.360 I'm not a member of any political party.

00:41:43.020 I don't think it's proper, you know, but, you know, Tasha has been unafraid to criticize the conservatives.

00:41:51.600 And, you know, that's what people want to see.

00:41:54.480 Like these panels, you know, that like this has got to be the CFRA Sunday morning political panel.

00:42:01.120 It's got to be just sort of deconstructed on air here, Andy, is got to be the only panel in the country that has political people on it who don't just regurgitate talking points.

00:42:14.400 Like you're the only guy who does that as far as no, you turn on your TV and they're all the same.

00:42:19.660 They just sit there and say what their party want them to say.

00:42:23.100 And, you know, we need more people like Tasha in public life. 1.00

00:42:25.960 And that's what the public saying, too.

00:42:27.840 No, exactly.

00:42:28.580 And I do appreciate that.

00:42:29.720 It's a huge compliment because that's the whole idea from my perspective.

00:42:32.020 Right.

00:42:32.340 I know you guys aren't just going to toe the party line, particularly you, Warren and Tasha.

00:42:36.600 But I know you guys aren't going to toe the party line.

00:42:38.440 So that's what I appreciate about a good debate, because, yeah, a lot of this stuff just turns into chaos nowadays.

00:42:44.160 Tasha, did you want to weigh in?

00:42:45.260 I thought you had something to say there.

00:42:46.260 Well, I, you know, first of all, thank you, Warren, for that.

00:42:50.520 I do think that, yes, it's to a point where you criticize the party.

00:42:55.400 I'm not a member anymore of, but I was during the leadership process, which people keep reminding me of the guys that was years ago.

00:43:02.120 Like it's done, right, over, moving on here.

00:43:04.780 But the point is that it's become very difficult to do without being smashed.

00:43:12.720 And I think partly because of social media.

00:43:14.040 People probably said these things in their living room before, but now they have a place to say it.

00:43:18.200 And they feel so smart saying it.

00:43:19.780 And, you know, it's like, OK, if you have nothing better to do, fine.

00:43:23.280 But, you know, I think that caring about the country is more important.

00:43:26.680 And that's what when I look at someone like Charles Adler, he cares about Canada and has always been there for it.

00:43:32.960 And he'll sling his arrows where they deserve to go and he'll give praise where it deserves to go.

00:43:37.960 And that doesn't it doesn't have a partisan hat.

00:43:40.340 And I think that is actually a great public service because parties need to hear when they mess up from people who might ideologically be on their side.

00:43:49.760 They need to hear that.

00:43:50.600 And if they can't hear that and take that, well, then they have a problem, frankly.

00:43:54.100 So, you know, anyway, I think that the Senate will benefit from him, regardless of how, you know, how the Senate is itself.

00:44:02.760 And just leaving it on a philosophical note, right?

00:44:04.800 Like you can be liberal, you can be conservative.

00:44:06.520 You don't have to be members of those parties or subscribe to the dogma of the leader, right?

00:44:10.640 Like you can have your own ideals in many senses.

00:44:12.980 So I think it's important to kind of remember.

00:44:15.080 Kicking off a couple of other stories here.

00:44:17.080 One, I've been following this for a couple of weeks now.

00:44:19.000 Now, Paul Wells, former McLean's but obviously respected journalist here, reporting on a phenomenon a couple of weeks ago here.

00:44:24.740 And I've been watching it kind of play out over the past couple of weeks as well.

00:44:27.340 So the PM schedule is often saying that it has no events that are happening.

00:44:31.440 But really there are.

00:44:33.160 The PM is showing up in surprise visits everywhere.

00:44:36.060 I highlighted one of them to you in Sudbury this week.

00:44:38.580 Warren, is this the PM trying to just avoid the media or just kind of sneak in some campaigning?

00:44:43.480 What do you kind of make of this kind of secrecy?

00:44:45.640 It kind of harkens back to the final days of the Harper government, right?

00:44:49.000 Yeah, every prime minister eventually ends up doing this.

00:44:53.120 If you do a correlation, it exactly tracks their unpopularity level, you know, because they don't want to be booed in public.

00:45:01.420 They don't want to be castigated.

00:45:02.840 And so as they get more unpopular, they have more misgivings about, you know, sharing every detail about their schedule.

00:45:10.980 But when Trudeau mania was in full bloom back in 2015 and 2016, like the guy was everywhere and we all knew where he was.

00:45:19.300 Not so much anymore.

00:45:20.420 So to me, it's symptomatic of his lack of popularity.

00:45:24.300 Maybe the RCMP are in the mix, too, saying we don't want you to advertise this event because we can't guarantee your safety because protesters have become crazy in recent days, particularly since October 7th.

00:45:35.420 So, I mean, that may be part of it.

00:45:38.640 But, you know, if that's the case, then PMO should say, OK, well, we're just, you know, we're keeping that part of his schedule under wraps, you know, because we've got a security issue.

00:45:50.000 But they're not doing that.

00:45:51.280 So, you know, that's the discussion we're having.

00:45:53.620 Yeah. And on that vein, I guess, Tasha, as well, there could be something kind of, you know, security related on that aspect.

00:46:00.820 But it also seems like it is the prime minister very much in need to control the message right now.

00:46:06.220 When you're down 20 points in the polls, you don't really need any extra, I guess, scrutiny at this point.

00:46:12.260 Yeah, you don't need protesters either coming and causing trouble.

00:46:15.920 You don't need, you know, the negative elements that your presence could attract if people know it's there.

00:46:23.060 So I think it's this sort of stealth campaign.

00:46:26.040 Off he goes and just pops up at events and pops up in people's social feeds.

00:46:30.560 And it seems, you know, almost organic.

00:46:33.320 Here he is. Surprise.

00:46:34.780 It's not organic.

00:46:35.800 As Warren said, this is calculated.

00:46:38.020 And there might be, well, a security element to it, too.

00:46:41.580 But I think it's an optics element.

00:46:43.220 They don't want to have optics of people booing, throwing things or being like, you know, we've seen some in some cases he's had really rough receptions.

00:46:50.280 And protesters and that would make for good visuals.

00:46:54.640 So why subject yourself to that?

00:46:56.140 So they're just doing it this way.

00:46:58.000 Yeah.

00:46:58.240 And it makes I guess it makes political sense.

00:47:00.340 But I guess it's also kind of difficult, I guess, in the same vein, Warren, if you're trying to get a message out and you're trying to, I guess, rebound in the polls here, if you're also kind of hiding at the same time, does it not make this, I don't know, cycle where it's kind of difficult to break out to actually try to.

00:47:13.180 I don't know if there is hope that he can break out, but it kind of makes it more difficult, it would seem.

00:47:17.840 Well, yeah, no, what you're saying is true.

00:47:19.740 If you've got a leader who is popular, but the liberals just don't.

00:47:24.320 You know, we saw this in in Toronto in the by-election in St. Paul's where you needed, you know, a microscope to find Trudeau's name on Leslie Church's signs.

00:47:35.720 You know, I think they're just recognizing the reality.

00:47:40.500 The thing I don't understand is why Justin Trudeau doesn't.

00:47:43.740 Like everybody in his party knows they are nearly 20 points behind for more than a year behind Paulieff because of the leader is the main reason.

00:47:53.300 There's policies in the mix and scandal and, you know, the usual stuff, but it's mainly him.

00:48:00.000 And, you know, they're hiding him in all other ways.

00:48:03.900 So, you know, why doesn't somebody have kind of the come to mother chat with Justin and say, hey, look, big guy, it's time to go because the rest of us would like to keep doing this political stuff.

00:48:13.640 We kind of like it.

00:48:14.780 And he's not doing that.

00:48:16.680 The Senate appointments, though, yesterday, you know, because Tasha mentioned, you know, she got a lot of vitriol and so did I when we mentioned our friend Charles was being elevated to the Senate.

00:48:27.880 And, you know, that may be part of it as well, that we're going to see, you know, Senator, basically people within his office, you know, Katie Telford or whomever elevated to the Senate.

00:48:43.720 It's the same thing that you see happen at the end of a lot of prime ministerial tenures.

00:48:48.920 Yeah, and we'll see, I guess, how they kind of shake that out of the fence ends up being a little bit more very clearly partisan during the next round of appointments.

00:48:58.120 But for right now, I wanted to ask a little bit about Pierre Polyev.

00:49:01.900 He's made a, he's made a, a, let me see here, a pledge here, trying to find the right words, to rave tariffs on Chinese electric vehicles by 100%.

00:49:14.720 Now, what I found interesting about this is this something that the U.S. has looked at, if not initiated in many senses.

00:49:20.200 He's done it.

00:49:20.940 Yeah, that's what I thought.

00:49:22.020 Yeah, they've done it.

00:49:22.680 Yeah, so we've got Justin Trudeau not just kind of putting this off, but kind of dismissing it in many senses, which I thought was fascinating.

00:49:29.220 Tasha, I know you've written about this extensively this week.

00:49:31.320 What did you make of kind of that reaction over something that we've seen, you know, our biggest, you know, partner in the U.S. kind of already do?

00:49:37.740 Well, here, you know, I said Polyev is right.

00:49:40.000 Hey, conservatives, I said Polyev was right because I think that it, he's actually, this is the right thing to do, and not just as the U.S. is doing it.

00:49:48.980 The dumping of EVs into Canada is not being done for any other reason than basically like the sort of economic warfare that China is waging on all other countries. 0.79

00:50:01.000 They're would like to see go down, mostly the United States and other Western democracies.

00:50:05.460 But in this case, it's to crush the auto industry, which Canada depends on.

00:50:09.980 This is not fair competition.

00:50:11.860 These cars are subsidized by the government.

00:50:14.520 And there's also a security issue, and the U.S. is investigating this.

00:50:18.480 They are concerned because our cars now come with so many, you know, microprocessors and chips and they're connected to the Internet that this could be used to steal data.

00:50:30.520 And this could be a form of spyware.

00:50:32.720 And it sounds, you know, science fiction-y, but it's not actually, when you think about it, every single car now has that potential.

00:50:40.140 And if you're the Chinese government, why wouldn't you?

00:50:42.140 You already got TikTok.

00:50:43.260 Now you can follow the adults in their cars.

00:50:45.080 Why not, right?

00:50:46.060 So I think for so many reasons, we shouldn't have the cars here.

00:50:50.520 And he's right.

00:50:51.460 And I think Trudeau, it's shameful that Trudeau, instead of standing up and saying, yeah, you know, we've got a point, dumps and makes us a partisan thing.

00:50:58.540 And dumps over on Polyev for doing that.

00:51:00.300 That is not in Canada's interest.

00:51:02.560 He should have stood up and said, yeah, we're going to do what the U.S. is doing.

00:51:06.060 And, you know, Polyev is right, but he doesn't even say that.

00:51:08.960 Just we're going to do what the U.S. is doing and moving, you know, end of story.

00:51:12.240 Yeah, and Warren, to kind of attach this point here, Trudeau not really taking a stance on the tariffs themselves.

00:51:17.120 He's just kind of taking an attack on Polyev and the conservatives against the auto industry saying, oh, you never cared until right now, right?

00:51:23.800 Like, now you're worried about EVs, whatever.

00:51:25.600 Are you surprised to just dismiss something out of hand like that?

00:51:29.100 That's clearly an important issue to both us and our allies.

00:51:31.900 I was very surprised.

00:51:34.320 And, you know, like, believe me, he's going to end up emulating what President Biden did in May anyway.

00:51:41.140 Like, it's just ridiculous because that's what he typically does when it comes to trade matters or diplomacy.

00:51:51.100 You know, we end up more, most of the time, maybe Israel's the exception, being in lockstep with the Americans. 0.72

00:51:57.200 And so I found it mystifying that he would say this because Biden and Polyev are right, you know.

00:52:04.880 And by the way, it was smart politics by Polyev to get there first because it, you know, addresses the criticism that on economic and trade policy, he's super right wing.

00:52:15.500 It's like, oh, yeah?

00:52:16.500 Well, he agrees with President Biden.

00:52:19.080 Where's Justin Trudeau?

00:52:20.180 So I thought it was smart politics on the conservatives' part.

00:52:23.340 Yeah, politically, it didn't seem like there was much you could really grab onto this on this particular issue and kind of hit back on Polyev.

00:52:29.020 Maybe that's why Justin Trudeau reacted the way he did in many senses.

00:52:32.420 But I wanted to try to sneak at least another story in here.

00:52:35.360 Warren, you were writing about this this week, and we've mentioned this a couple of times because you've been kind of looking into some of the nonprofit statuses and charitable statuses of some pro-Palestinian groups that perhaps may be raising some questions to you.

00:52:46.420 I noticed your latest story this week.

00:52:48.100 What have you found?

00:52:49.640 Well, yeah.

00:52:50.440 So a nonprofit is registered federally, and they don't have to pay taxes.

00:52:55.180 They don't have to pay HST.

00:52:56.460 So there's definitely a benefit with that.

00:52:58.560 And Samidun is a nonprofit in Vancouver led by an American woman who just a few weeks ago stood on the steps of the Vancouver Art Gallery and said the following.

00:53:10.520 Long live October 7th.

00:53:12.120 Long live October 7th.

00:53:13.520 We stand with the brave Palestinian resistance and their heroic and brave action on October 7th, right?

00:53:20.100 And so the heroic and brave action that she's referring to, Charlotte Cates, was murder and rape and torture and kidnapping on a massive scale.

00:53:31.140 Why is Samidun, this pro-Palestinian nonprofit, given that status in Canada?

00:53:39.440 And, you know, particularly as I asked in the column, why is she here?

00:53:44.760 She is not a Canadian citizen as far as we know.

00:53:47.540 So, you know, I think, again, it is in a sharp contrast this week.

00:53:53.540 We've got the Trudeau government decertifying, taking away the charity status of two respected Jewish charities, one of which has been in existence for 100 years, and looking the other way on pro-Palestinian charities or nonprofits who were involved in some stuff that I think anybody would regard as inappropriate.

00:54:16.160 So that's a question the Trudeau guys have to answer, and I'll be interested to see if the opposition take that up.

00:54:22.260 And I know there's, I guess, quick follow, Warren, there's also just a general murkiness surrounding finances to nonprofits as well.

00:54:28.660 It's very hard to track down in terms of where money is coming from, too.

00:54:33.040 Yeah, and in the United States, they're much more diligent about this with both respect to charities and nonprofits, and Canada, we're not.

00:54:41.020 We just don't know where the money's coming from.

00:54:43.380 We don't know where the money's going.

00:54:44.660 The story I had in Post Media a few days ago was about four different pro-Palestinian charities that were either directly or indirectly sending money overseas, and it was ending up in the bank accounts of terrorist organizations.

00:54:59.860 And that's just not right.

00:55:01.040 That's contrary to Canadian law, and we need to stop it.

00:55:04.020 And if you are interested in reading more about that, you can read Warren's latest in the Toronto Sun.

00:55:08.300 We'll just have to stop there because it's time this morning, but Warren Kinsella, Tasha Carradine, thanks so much once again for taking some time this morning.

00:55:14.140 I really appreciate it.

00:55:15.680 Thanks, guys.

00:55:16.240 Have a good day.

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00:58:31.680 We're back, and we're back in Toronto, where we're, John Braz and I, at a wonderful restaurant

00:58:55.100 on the Danforth called Sherry Punja, and I recommend, and I think John does now too, recommend

00:59:03.720 this restaurant to all of you.

00:59:06.620 These guys have some of the best Indian food you could possibly have, and John and I just

00:59:12.980 completely pigged out chicken tandoori, and pakora, and lamb, and mango salad, and it was

00:59:21.580 just so good, so John's got lots of things to take home tomorrow.

00:59:25.100 So, John, welcome.

00:59:27.120 There's two things I wanted to talk to you about.

00:59:30.100 One is Ukraine, and one is Israel. 0.57

00:59:32.500 So, we'll talk about Ukraine first, because it doesn't get nearly enough attention, but

00:59:37.740 in the past 48 hours, it has.

00:59:41.480 Ukraine invaded Russia, and maybe you can explain to people where they did that, and why they

00:59:48.800 did that, and was it a good idea or a bad one?

00:59:51.820 Well, first of all, just a wonderful dinner.

00:59:55.440 Thanks for the food, Warren.

00:59:56.680 The ribs here, I want to add, are off the hook.

00:59:59.580 When it comes to Ukraine, most people don't recognize or realize how long the Ukrainian-Russian

01:00:06.040 border is.

01:00:06.640 It's 2,200 kilometers, and to put that into perspective, the Mexican-American border, completely

01:00:12.480 unmanageable, completely uncontrollable, is only 1,000 kilometers longer than that.

01:00:17.480 So, the fighting on the east side, where the Russians have invaded, is only one part of

01:00:24.120 the border.

01:00:24.640 The Ukrainians, who are sort of, as I said a couple weeks ago on this show, in a stalemate

01:00:29.340 in most of those areas on land, have got to get around those troops.

01:00:35.540 And, so what they've done is they've gone straight north from Kyiv, through a province

01:00:42.880 called Sumy, into an area called Kirks, and Kirks is famous around the world for having

01:00:47.220 some of the best black earth in the world.

01:00:49.840 A lot of Ukrainians actually live, and that's one of the reasons they went up there. 0.99

01:00:53.760 A lot of Ukrainians are on the wrong side of the border up there, and they're living up 1.00

01:00:56.620 there, farming.

01:00:57.620 And, what they've proven is that the internal defenses of Russia are non-existent.

01:01:04.840 Why?

01:01:05.840 They've concentrated all of their military...

01:01:08.840 Well, why didn't they do this before?

01:01:10.380 They're going to be devil's advocate.

01:01:12.260 Why now, and why not before?

01:01:13.760 Well, I think that the reason they did it before was that they made assurances, promise, and

01:01:18.380 contracts with the West, and the West said, we'll give you weapons, but you're not allowed 0.97

01:01:21.780 to go, you're not allowed to go into Russia, you're not allowed to even bomb Russia.

01:01:26.460 And Ukraine, worried that support around the world is diminishing for them, decided they

01:01:34.660 needed to do something to show that they were up to the fight still.

01:01:38.180 And they put two battalions, and I want to explain to you guys, that's thousands and thousands

01:01:42.480 of men in there.

01:01:44.120 And in the last 24 hours, I saw some footage today, they were shooting down Sukhoi 35s.

01:01:48.740 I mean, some of the best jets coming out of Russia are being shot down by the Ukrainian 1.00

01:01:54.160 Air Force over Russian land.

01:01:56.440 Meanwhile, Putin, furious, has fired his general, Shoigu, and put the head of the FSB in charge,

01:02:02.480 which means that there's an internal war going on in the Kremlin.

01:02:04.920 And then finally, what's the reaction that, I mean, Russia has social media, such as it

01:02:12.340 is, subject to censorship and state control, but, you know, people in Russia are now aware

01:02:18.980 that this took place.

01:02:20.920 Here, I should swing this over.

01:02:22.400 People in Russia are now aware that this took place.

01:02:25.620 What is the reaction?

01:02:27.200 Does this weaken Putin's position?

01:02:32.260 I've always wondered how real and how deep the support for Putin was once you get outside

01:02:37.880 of the big cities.

01:02:38.880 A lot of us stuck on the East Coast, St. Petersburg, and Moscow on the West Coast, right?

01:02:44.500 No one's really sure.

01:02:46.480 But if you watch the homemade Ukrainian videos, what you see is the peasants in the area, the 0.99

01:02:51.480 working class, and even the elites, either turning themselves in, leaving, certainly not

01:02:57.400 fighting back, and in a few instances, cheering the arrival of Ukrainians. 0.66

01:03:01.160 I'll presume those are Ukrainians.

01:03:02.440 Oh, cheering?

01:03:02.980 Yes.

01:03:03.480 Yeah, there are small things.

01:03:05.100 We're just talking about a dozen people, but there are probably Ukrainian Russians who

01:03:07.820 got stuck on the wrong side of the border.

01:03:10.100 They're happy to see them.

01:03:11.780 This is a disaster for Putin's leadership.

01:03:14.620 Putin's leadership can only exist if the heads of the three security forces in Russia support

01:03:19.100 him.

01:03:19.260 But you've always said to us that, you know, in a war of attrition, Putin always wins, because

01:03:27.240 he has more troops, more armaments, more resources.

01:03:30.640 As reviled as he is, he's got more stuff than the Ukrainians do. 1.00

01:03:35.860 Doesn't he now make them pay dearly for what they have done?

01:03:40.900 I assume so, although a Russian tactic that has led to victory over the Nazis and a variety

01:03:47.800 of other invading forces is, you let them sit there through the summer and the fall, and

01:03:52.200 you wait for winter to come, and then you get rid of them.

01:03:54.400 That's how they beat the Nazis.

01:03:55.860 The Russian winter is their greatest ally, as you know, historically. 0.97

01:03:59.620 I should also add, Putin will be in a particularly foul mood today because a helicopter attack

01:04:05.240 would wipe out his largest oil rig off the coast of Crimea.

01:04:09.220 It's no longer there.

01:04:10.620 I watched it in real time.

01:04:11.940 It was an amazing sight to see.

01:04:13.400 And inside Russia, the argument began 20 years ago, Crimea is ours, Crimea will always be 0.87

01:04:21.340 ours, the port there will always be ours, Sevastopol will always be ours.

01:04:25.200 If Russia loses Crimea in this, what you now can understand is a pincer attack from the 0.81

01:04:30.260 sea and from the northwest, coming around and encircling the Russian troops, then he is

01:04:36.420 in real trouble as a leader.

01:04:37.500 Well, that would be a wonderful development.

01:04:41.780 So let's talk about what I consider to be another wonderful development.

01:04:45.540 You know, and I've got lots of Jewish friends, and so do you, and you and I are close to the

01:04:49.860 Jewish community, but we've been hearing a lot of them being very critical of President 0.98

01:04:54.540 Biden and Vice President Harris, and even suggesting stupid things like that they are anti-Semitic. 0.98

01:05:01.040 Well, the two anti-Semites who run the biggest democracy in the world, most powerful democracy 0.98

01:05:05.640 in the world, yesterday approved the delivery of $20 billion, with a B, in very significant

01:05:15.480 military hardware to Israel.

01:05:20.200 It seems to me that the Americans, whether they be Republican or Democrats, are saying

01:05:25.940 they're on the side of Israel.

01:05:28.640 There's two ways to look at this.

01:05:30.200 One is to say, I never doubted that they were on the side of Israel.

01:05:35.400 Trump is just much more bombastic about his support, and maybe he would even throw more

01:05:40.360 at it.

01:05:40.780 I don't know.

01:05:41.600 I would be speculating.

01:05:42.960 I don't think the Democrats have ever backed away from their alliance and their support of

01:05:47.220 Israel, even when they're critical of Israel's practices in war and certainly their leadership,

01:05:51.780 and they've been critical of both.

01:05:53.080 But let's also remember, providing them that $20 billion also backstops them in the war against

01:05:59.220 Iran, which is a cold war between Israel and Iran, but also a cold war and an active one

01:06:07.260 between the U.S. and Iran. 0.98

01:06:08.540 People forget, Iran fires shit at bases that the U.S. has in Syria and in Iraq regularly, 0.99

01:06:17.200 and we fire back. 0.99

01:06:18.320 Look, it's not just Hezbollah firing rockets overboard, and the U.S. is actively involved

01:06:23.900 and engaged, so they need Israel to be on that side, as we still wait, and it's been a very

01:06:29.040 long wait now, for the response of Iran to that assassination and to the outrage that 0.91

01:06:34.700 they've been, I suppose, announcing at the U.N. and elsewhere, and they're, of course, supported

01:06:41.160 by Russia.

01:06:42.140 Russia's under duress now, too.

01:06:44.280 They seem cornered.

01:06:45.260 The $20 billion, I suspect, is for weapons waiting for that attack from Hezbollah in 1.00

01:06:51.060 Lebanon to the north and the RGC in Iran from the east.

01:06:54.560 So, final question.

01:06:55.920 Do you think, I mean, it's been a lot of days now, Iran was rattling its saber.

01:07:02.100 I believe that Hezbollah will attack, because they've certainly got the hardware to do so. 1.00

01:07:08.280 It doesn't look like Iran will. 0.98

01:07:10.580 What do you think?

01:07:11.900 Which of them is going to attack?

01:07:13.100 Are they going to attack together, or is there going to be no attack at all?

01:07:16.860 I don't know.

01:07:17.480 I predicted, and incorrectly, on the last podcast and in Chats with Warren since then,

01:07:23.160 that I thought the Iranians would go. 1.00

01:07:24.580 They started their ad campaigns at home to justify what could be a full-fledged regional

01:07:29.020 war.

01:07:30.400 Hezbollah are challenged because Nazarela is now reported, probably accurately, to be quite

01:07:35.420 sick.

01:07:35.840 That's their leader. 0.94

01:07:36.500 And so they're in a bit of disarray.

01:07:37.820 The new guy?

01:07:38.480 No, no.

01:07:38.900 The old guy, Nazarela.

01:07:40.000 Oh.

01:07:40.120 But he was really the guy who mattered, and he's the hero that inspires the 100,000,

01:07:45.040 200,000 strong army of Hezbollah in Lebanon.

01:07:48.980 And Iran made an announcement, and trust me, most of us, I caught somehow, that said that

01:07:54.340 Hezbollah would act on their own independently from Iran, which is very strange for them to

01:08:00.040 put space and light between those two organizations.

01:08:02.000 So, there's only one thing that could be stopping Iran from attacking right now, and that means 0.99

01:08:07.760 that there's back-channel conversations going on, and my guess is that the Turks, who recently

01:08:12.360 did that great brokerage deal of prisoners, a prisoner swap between the Russians and the

01:08:15.780 Americans, the rumor is, amongst people in the know, that Turkey right now is negotiating

01:08:21.260 to keep the temperature in the area down.

01:08:24.160 Which would be something.

01:08:26.340 My personal view is that the temperatures are being kept down.

01:08:28.720 It's being kept down by a U.S. battle group that arrived there a few days ago.

01:08:32.560 Well, there's that.

01:08:33.340 Yeah.

01:08:33.900 Anyway, John Mraz, thank you, and glad you enjoyed the food here at Sherry Punjab.

01:08:40.680 And so you get the sounds of the Danforth here.

01:08:43.760 I've never quite figured out why they don't call it Danforth Avenue.

01:08:48.020 They call it The Danforth.

01:08:50.000 It's kind of that typically Toronto pomposity, isn't it?

01:08:55.560 Yes.

01:08:56.740 Yes.

01:08:57.720 Yes.

01:08:58.000 All right.

01:08:58.780 John Mraz, thank you.

01:08:59.800 Have a great day and a great week.

01:09:01.280 Thank you.

01:09:01.640 I've been trying to write this down

01:09:30.820 I've been trying to write this down for you

01:09:34.720 I've been trying to write this down

01:09:43.960 I've been trying to write this down for you

01:10:00.820 I've been trying to write this down for you

01:10:14.140 I've been trying to write this down for you

01:10:28.040 Choking on the words I need to say

01:10:39.860 Choking on the words I need to say

01:10:46.200 Like a broken record on your wall

01:10:50.360 Choking on the words I need to say

01:11:20.360 Choking on the words I need to say

KINSELLACAST 324： Senator Adler! Plus： non-Senators Lilley, Kheiriddin, Mraz - and Cryogeyser, Grumpster, the Last Gang, OBGMs

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