KINSELLACAST 329： Kaboom! with Kheiriddin (twice), Lilley, Belanger, Mraz - plus Bad Nerves, Grandmas House, Snake Eyes and more!
Episode Stats
Length
1 hour and 23 minutes
Summary
I almost lost my cat this week, but she's fine. CBC is biased against Israel, and now we have proof. Plus, a new report from B'nai B'rith on the anti-Israel bias at CBC.
Transcript
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It's the Kinsella Cast, starring Warren Kinsella.
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The Kinsella Cast is in a good mood this morning.
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I'm heading to the train station soon to pick up pee.
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She did not run off with some Italian chef who's many years my junior.
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So I'm going to go pick her up at the train station so the dogs and the cat will be pretty happy.
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I was taking the dogs and the cat up to the cabin so I could get the boat out of the water and do a bunch of other stuff in anticipation of winter.
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And I was like, she's not coming out of the Jeep.
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Anyway, thankfully, I had placed on each of the animals one of those Apple AirTags.
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And there she was, terrified, I think, but under the barbecue.
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So I would have been dead meat if the cat had disappeared.
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We were on with Andrew Pinson, but also with Carl Belanger.
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Got John Mraz talking about international affairs.
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Brian Lilly spitting numbers like a rapper about the U.S. presidential, about the situation in Canada,
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which is very, very grim for the Liberal Party of Canada.
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The Liberal Party of Canada, outside the province of Quebec, is running behind the NDP.
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Bad Nerves, Milk Teeth, Snake Eyes, Grandma's House.
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But anyway, a real kind of diverse musical banquet for you.
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Lots of Tasha Carradine, which is always a good thing.
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I've been writing a lot about them lately for Post Media, mainly because I've been hearing from Post Media employees every time I write.
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Because, you know, CBC is unfair to the Jewish state.
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And like their antipathy towards Israel is not front page news.
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As I've documented, they refuse to call Hamas terrorists when they are.
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They've established a secretive internal group, Middle East 2023, to oversee their coverage of Israel.
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They've had facilitation sessions led by people who call Israel an oppressive, destructed country.
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That's an employee who said you're a vile human being if you still defend or excuse Israel.
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The facilitators say they want to challenge Zionism.
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They see Israel as an immoral and oppressive occupational force.
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Anyway, so B'nai B'rith decided, I guess like I did, enough is enough.
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And they basically analyzed hundreds of CBC stories from CBC official websites starting on October 7th.
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When Hamas terrorists swept into Israel and slaughtered hundreds.
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And I'm going to be doing lots of speaking this week.
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Because we're coming up to a year of a terrible day.
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Anyway, so B'nai B'rith went from the 7th to the 31st.
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And they used this media framing model, which is well known, by a professor named Robert Entman.
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He's an American and is considered one of the gold standards for media bias analysis.
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Anyway, bottom line, CBC is wildly biased against Israel.
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150 stories, about half, were openly pro-Palestinian.
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And only a fraction of that, maybe about 32 stories, were possibly pro-Israel.
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So they did, I'm not going to bore you with the details, they did manual coding.
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They did software-assisted content analysis, so AI basically.
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And they looked at bias vis-a-vis how an issue was framed, what was included, what wasn't in the story,
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And Hamas, you know, being a source, is more of a source than Israel.
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And every effort was made by B'nai B'rith's analysts to maintain objectivity and fairness throughout.
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Well, CBC didn't say anything because they refused to meet with B'nai B'rith.
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B'nai B'rith sent them a very polite, very professional letter saying,
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we've got this research, we're going to share it with you.
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So Chuck Thompson said to me, given the ongoing scrutiny and intense pressure around our coverage
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of the Middle East, requests for a conversation with the CBC News leadership make it difficult
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to ensure they are equally accessible to any person.
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That's Chuck Thompson, head spokesperson for CBC.
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His suggestion, they can go talk to the ombudsman.
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Anyway, that's discourteous, that's dismissive, and it's wrong.
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When any journalist is making mistakes, as CTV did this week,
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when it actually manipulated a quote, a conservative leader, Pierre Polyev,
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which had the effect of deceiving their viewers,
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In that case, CTV fired the two people who did it.
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And like when I taught journalism at Carleton School of Journalism, right,
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two solemn obligations you have as a journalist,
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accuracy and fairness no longer seem to be part of the job description.
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And we're back, and this is one of those mornings where I can just sit back and put my feet up and put a log on the fire
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Because the broadcaster of broadcasters, Brian Lilley, is with us
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And I'm just going to say a subject and let Brian go
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And Brian, the first subject is the abacus that was released this weekend about federal vote intention
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Let me back up to my column so I can promote my column here in the Toronto Sun
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I wrote about the fact that, of course, yesterday
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We've got things happening like Nasrallah, the leader of Hezbollah in Lebanon, being killed
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And how he's going to keep abortion safe for women in Canada
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Even though there's no imminent threat to abortion in Canada
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You've got Leger, they've got a poll for Postmedia conducted
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It has Conservatives holding their 20-point lead
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44% of the popular vote to 24% for the Liberals and 17% for the NDP
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64% say they disapprove of Trudeau's performance
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Which was really proving that those by-elections in Toronto St. Paul's
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And La Salle and Mardford Dunn were not one-offs
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You'll notice each pollster is a little bit different
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Angus Reid Institute has been looking at how the Liberals
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And then you get to Canada's so-called left coast
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And John, I trust you're feeling better than Mr. Nasrallah is feeling.
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No, he's got the responsibility of deflowering 72 virgins.
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Yeah, well, he's going to have lots of time to do it.
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In Syria, in Lebanon, UAE, around Israel, not just in Israel,
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people are celebrating, Muslims are celebrating the departure of this bastard.
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The leader of the most murderous terrorist organization in the past 30 years.
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Was it, here, let's just challenge the status quo.
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Is Justin Trudeau right to be unenthusiastic and Melanie Jolie?
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Should they have let this guy continue to live?
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When you bring their names in that conversation,
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I realized all of a sudden that they're wholly irrelevant.
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Nasrallah, like Yasser Arafat, because I'm old.
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The Israelis knew where Yasser Arafat was for 20 years.
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But you have to negotiate, quoting Golda Meir, with somebody.
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Nasrallah was identifiable, and he could have been located for 20 years.
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You all of a sudden end up with a bunch of cells, unmonitored, ungoverned, and uncommanded by a structure.
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And they're using carrier pigeons to communicate, too.
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And then the question is, who replaces Nasrallah?
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Because there's another misogynist, racist, Jew-hating, savage fascist, indoctrinated from birth.
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So far, at this point, people are feeling pretty good about that.
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Everybody keeps, you know, to me, Netanyahu's speech at the UN was typical Netanyahu, and I didn't put much stock in it.
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It was kind of like that scene in The Godfather where Michael Corleone is at the baptism of his kid.
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And meanwhile, all of his soldiers are taking out his enemies across New York City.
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I think what you're saying, I think they did it.
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So do the Israelis press their advantage and move into Lebanon?
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Do they press their advantage and take out more targets or even do something about Iran?
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And I think what he means by that is take out all the command and control structures, take out as much hardware as possible,
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take out the manufacturing, Basia of Iran, Syria, Lebanon, et cetera, and leave them scattered.
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What you really have to do to solve the problem is open public schools and teach them not to hate Jews.
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So you have to change the culture to win the war.
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But right now, Israel is changing the entire framework of the Middle East.
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But I assume, I'm going to guess, I'm going to guess that they're going to go out to nuclear facilities in Iran and they are going to blow up the Republican Guard.
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You know, Biden issued this triumphant statement on Nasrallah being dispatched.
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So did Harris and then Trudeau and Jolie, who we just made fun of, made statement.
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Well, actually, Jolie, I don't think Jolie said anything.
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She just posted how she was meeting with the head of the Palestinian Authority, the corrupt organization that's almost as bad as Havas.
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Like, what is going on in this country with issues like this?
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To me, it seems like it's pretty one clear moral dimension.
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Like, it shouldn't be hard to come out and celebrate the departure of the worst terrorists the world has seen in the past three decades.
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But apparently it is for Trudeau and Jolie, isn't it?
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Trudeau appears to me to be some sort of guilt-ridden, woke settler case.
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You know, like, I mean, I'm really diminishing it.
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Like, I have yet to see her say anything that is informed by an education about the Middle East, etc.
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She seems to attach herself to the notion of victimhood.
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She doesn't seem to understand that Hezbollah popped 8,000 rockets in Israel and displaced 10% of their population.
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She's our Minister of Foreign Affairs, and I very much hope she has no decision-making authority.
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And I know I'm going to get in a lot of trouble for saying that, but it's an honest, wild thing.
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Well, she's got power, unfortunately, but I don't think she's going to have power much longer.
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The Liberal Party of Canada is running behind the NDP everywhere in this country, outside of the province of Quebec.
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I do believe there is going to be a prorogation.
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And I still believe that Mr. Trudeau is going to depart.
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One, the leader of the free world, in my opinion, is Mr. Zelensky.
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And he was running the circuit this week, talking to people.
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He even met with Donald Trump, I believe, at the Trump Tower or Mar-a-Lago or one of those citadels of evil.
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But then Trump came out subsequently and attacked Zelensky.
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Zelensky has to meet with Trump, so he appears to not be partisan in the election in America right now.
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But he's patently aware that Donald Trump apparently does not recognize Ukraine as a distinct culture.
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He recognizes it as a colony that should be owned by, you know, Russia and its assets.
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I mean, I think Donald Trump masturbates the idea of being a fascist tyrant.
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I mean, he's not going to quite get there, but I think that's what he's after.
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And he could not give a shit about the independence or the identity of Ukrainians on, you know, the hobnailed boots of the Russian Empire.
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I think he, like, I think that he actually sort of, what's the right word?
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He romanticizes the notion of empires undemocratic, imperious, colonial, and easily authoritative.
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And Zelensky to him is a salesman, and he couldn't give a fuck.
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Zelensky is an extraordinary ambassador for Ukraine.
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I'm not at all convinced he's in charge of what's going on over there, but he is a terrific ambassador.
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I can't imagine how bright that conversation was.
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Trump just thinks Zelensky should give a quarter of his country away and do business with Vladimir Putin.
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But, you know, it's in his nature to simplify and attach himself to people of power because he fetishizes that.
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But the thing that, I mean, you know, Trump is Trump, and I've just given up on people who keep predicting that he's going to be presidential and restrained and moderate.
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He's always going to keep doing what he's been his whole life, which is Donald Trump.
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What I find mystifying, and I say this as somebody who's worked for the Democrats, including for Harris, is the 70 million Americans who buy into this stuff about Ukraine.
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And, you know, the crazy stuff he said about Iran this week basically said to the Jewish community, you know, nice little Jewish community you've got here.
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And, by the way, I don't care really what happens with Iran.
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Like, Pete, you get the 70 million voters who stick with him.
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Like, what is the state of the American polity?
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Like, how is it that he gets away with this stuff and it owns the Republican Party?
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I think the only data point that impressed me this year was the Department of Education, which Trump, by the way, wants to eliminate, the Federal Department of Education, came out, and you can find it online, with a great report in March of this year that proved or suggested, depending on how you read it, that 120 million Americans are operating at a grade six level.
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So, Trump is relatable to them because he speaks their language, ignores facts, and empowers them to believe that they should have a say.
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And I feel like I'm going like to Plato's Republic where he says, democracy is great until stupid people get to vote.
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But if you've got 120 million people operating at a grade six level, it's identity politics as it's first.
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America needs to fix that system so that people like Trump are not relatable.
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Well, we'll make that the final word this week.
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Thank you, John Mraz, for your insight into international affairs.
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In all these dusty halls and haunted corridors.
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You're looking on bookshelves, trying to find yourself.
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In words wrote by someone greater than yourself.
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You can just step into something a little more deceiving.
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Now you're achieving the feeling you wish you were receiving.
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To bring home the promise of Canada of a powerful paycheck that earns affordable food, gas, and homes in safe neighborhoods where anyone,
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from anywhere, can do anything, the biggest and most open land of opportunity the world has ever seen.
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We knew the block and the NDP were not going to say yes,
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but that was the opening scene, shall we say, from conservative leader Pierre Polyam.
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We're going to talk about what happened right now with that non-confidence vote
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and the signals it is sending and the challenges of all the parties here
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Joining us, Tasha Kearden, political commentator, columnist for the National Post, author of The Right Path.
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And Warren Kinsella, host of KinsellaCast, a podcast, and columnist for the Toronto Sun, of course,
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You know, you go to a movie, you know what it's about, and you kind of know the ending.
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But what's kind of struck me is what the message Pierre Polyam was trying to get out there.
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He'd love an election, and if the non-confident motion were to pass, he'd get one, but it's not going to.
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So he's going to make his pitch and then blame the other opposition parties for denying Canadians access to that beautiful Canada on the Hill that he's describing.
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It's also, you know, he's played his first card.
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There's only so many times you can introduce a non-confidence motion before people get tired of the tactic.
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So this is salvo number one, and I think that it's sort of a lot of people think that the government may fall on a natural non-confidence motion, such as the budget, which will come up next year, probably around March or April.
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So watch for maybe another one of these coming down the pipe, but I'd be surprised if he exhausted the tactic too many times.
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Warren, what do you say, as Tasha says, you know, this is kind of maybe the beginning of the election.
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This is actually providing content for the election.
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Like you say, like you both say, you know, the outcome is kind of predetermined.
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Jagmeet Singh is folded like a cheap suit, and he's now saying he's not going to defeat the government after leading us all to believe he would.
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And, you know, the Bloc Québécois is getting something out of Trudeau, who is desperate.
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But what the Tories are getting, Polyev's motion is really smart.
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He doesn't link it to the carbon tax or any particular issue.
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This House has no confidence in the Prime Minister or his government.
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And what's going to happen now today is the Tories are going to get really useful footage of Jagmeet Singh standing up and having confidence in the government and the Bloc Québécois standing up and having confidence in the government.
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And they're going to use that against them in the next election campaign to say, if you oppose Trudeau and you oppose the Liberals, and many, many, many, many polls say that many, many Canadians do, well, there's only one party that's going to represent your interests, and it's Pierre Polyev's Conservatives.
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So today is a very good day for the Tories, even though, paradoxically, they're going to lose the vote.
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Yeah, you know, all the plotting and the planning here, one of the things that it's in our mind, and I want to get into the Prime Minister's New York trip.
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Before we do, though, you know, Tasha, as Warren has just said, they're laying out a strategic plan here.
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Have the other parties underestimated these kind of plans from the Conservatives, and why aren't they doing them themselves?
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We've kind of seen Jagmeet Singh say, okay, my time is up.
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But it seems that they are just walking into puddles here.
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Well, I think they're playing a short game, and the Conservatives are sort of playing a long game.
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The NDP did their, you know, their mea culpa, ripping up the motion performance, because they had a by-election they were terrified of losing.
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It was the Winnipeg one, the Elmwood Transcona, and the Conservatives were eating their lunch with the Labour vote.
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They were concerned about this, at least they thought they were.
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And so they did this to look strong and split off from the Liberals so that the voters there could say, oh, yeah, the NDP is, I can vote NDP.
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But they didn't think long-term what this would do, because what it did was immediately the block of a quest.
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And, you know, Blanchet has, again, it's kind of a short-term thing, too.
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He wants to get sort of essentially a money bill.
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It's actually a confidence vote itself to give more money to seniors, to top up OAS for seniors who are 65.
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So he's now saying, oh, I'll prop up the government until I get that.
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So he's also short-term in a way and thinking, okay, then I'm going to look strong in the short term.
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But in the long term, if there are multiple confidence votes, like maybe three, I think max you would see three, it will look like Warren said.
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These guys are just there, hanging on by their fingernails, propping up the guy.
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And I think conservatives are just like they're looking at the polls and saying, you know, even if we lost five points, we'd still be government.
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We're just going to hammer that nail until the election.
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Is there any challenge here for the conservatives, Warren?
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And we were wondering, I mean, what area is kind of haunting them in their brain, do you think, if any?
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Well, they've got one big vulnerability, and everybody knows it.
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You know, have they done any preparations for that very different world?
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And every indication that I've gotten, the people I've talked to, they haven't.
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You know, if Dominic LeBlanc takes over or Mark Carney, you know, or somebody.
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Because the thing that happens when you have a leadership change, and Tasha knows this as well, you get a bump, right?
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In the case of my former boss, Jean Gretz, it lasted 10 years.
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And so that's the problem the Tories have got, I think, is that they've put all their eggs in the Justin Trudeau basket.
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One morning we're all going to wake up, and, Arlene, you're going to phone us and say, hey, you've got to come on the show,
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because we're hearing the Prime Minister taking a walk down Wellington Street to the press theater,
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And I'm not sure that Pierre Palliev and the Tories are ready for that.
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So many interesting things to take away from that late night with Colbert.
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And you could see it was a good strategy, because we sit here and say, I don't know what they're going to do,
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They're not getting any needles to move at all.
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Remind Canadians of his popularity at one time.
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Let him talk about things from outer space a little bit.
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We're going to have a report on that from New York in just a moment.
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Before, when he was on the world stage, he was on the cover of Vogue.
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But, hey, I mean, how many of us have been on the cover of Vogue?
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You know, like, it's still an aspirational thing for some people.
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And it's like, oh, look, our prime minister is cool.
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It was like his father sort of put Canada on the world stage at a time when we were really boring in the late 60s and early 70s.
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This is the problem is that now I think it actually plays the opposite way.
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People are like, oh, you're swanning around, there you are, looking like everything is okay.
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And you say, oh, Canadians are having a tough time.
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Like, you know, the housing crisis is – what did he say about the housing was – we've fallen a bit behind or something.
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It was like a very soft way of saying – I mean, it's insulting.
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So I think anyone who watches this who, you know, I mean, non-conservative voters will be throwing popcorn at the TV.
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And the rest of the people, I think, are just going to tune out.
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I do have to say, Warren, I had a couple of people who surprised me who said, you know, I thought he did an okay job.
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On the panel yesterday, even our liberal panelist said, you know, it was a draw almost.
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He didn't go far enough, according to the liberal strategist.
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Or, you know, just listening to Tasha there, is there a time where when you've lost the love and feeling, it's gone, gone, gone?
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Here, let me say what Stephen Colbert should have said to him.
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You know, hey, Justin, this morning a seat projection came out saying that you're heading to fourth place.
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Shouldn't you be back in Canada trying to save your hive?
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Because that morning, a seat projection did come out based on Angus Reid's numbers showing a 22-point gap that Justin Trudeau is about to lead the Liberal Party of Canada, formerly the most successful political machine in Western democracy, to fourth place.
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And that's being in the wilderness, not for a decade.
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That's being in the wilderness for possibly a generation.
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But he decides, because he is completely absorbed in himself and completely self-unaware, I'm going to go to New York City and go on late-night TV, and that's going to help me out.
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It's like, Justin, it helps you out in your scrapbook and your clippings, but it's not helping you out in the bottom line.
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You're heading to fourth place, according to the pollsters.
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You know, NDP, who's measuring curtains there, and what color will they be?
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Tasha, let me ask you, you know, again, you know, there's a lot of political people out here, and I talked to him.
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One said to me, a diehard liberal, Atlantic liberal, one said, here's what we really think is going to happen.
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True liberals, when they get in that polling booth, are not going to vote for Pierre Paglia.
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I looked at the polling numbers there, and in fact, the NDP vote there did not crater at all.
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The liberal vote cratered, and it went to the conservatives.
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It dropped like 10 percent, and the conservatives bumped by 15.
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They took that, and they took the People's Party vote that completely collapsed.
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It's actually very important, because in some writings, it will make a difference.
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So, no, I think, actually, they will hold their nose.
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They will vote for Pierre Paglia, because there are liberals who are just so fed up with Trudeau, and I think, to Warren's point, unless there's a leadership change, there's nothing in the window for them.
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And to Tasha's point, that was exactly my rebuttal, who said St. Paul's, Montreal, they did it.
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It's not like it's Red Deer or something, where they had no chance.
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And St. Paul's was a liberal fortress for a generation.
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And under any previous liberal leader, the liberal caucus, including my guy, amazingly, they would have been heading down Bank Street with torches and pitchforks by now, saying, I'm for you to go.
00:53:01.140
And I think a big part of it is the Liberal Party of Canada, as every Canadian voter has observed, has devolved into a cult of personality.
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He took, in 2015, he took the Liberal Party of Canada from third place to first.
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And so, a lot of the people in that Liberal caucus are first-time MPs, and, you know, they owe everything, their pension included, to him.
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So, they're unlikely to get up on their hind legs and oppose him, and they're going to rue the day.
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Because when the election comes, because it is coming, they are going to lose their seats, a lot of them, most of them.
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And they're going to go, why didn't I speak up when I had a chance?
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We're hearing continued doom prediction here, but I thank you both for it.
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Warren Kinsella, who is the host of KinsellaCast, a podcast, lawyer, author, consultant, columnist for the Toronto Sun.
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Tasha Kirtan, political commentator, columnist for the National Post.
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You can read her there, and author of The Right Path.
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Run around in a cage, run around me, it could feel like
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Feel as if you're free, take a breath for a second
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You know it's when you've been trapped, this day of me
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And welcome to it. Joining us on our panel this morning, we say good morning to Tasha Carradine, political columnist for the National Post, a writer for GZERO Media and an author. Good morning, Tasha.
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And happy Sunday to everybody. Warren Kinsella, strategist and post-media columnist, is also here. Warren, good morning.
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Carl Belanger, president of Attraction Strategies, also here this morning to chat. Carl, good morning.
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Hey, I wanted to start the House of Commons this week like a gaggle of geese, everybody, this week for a few different days or a couple of days straight this week.
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The non-confidence motion that Pierpaulio put forward, it ultimately failed. Everybody kind of knew it would.
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It's the same thing with this second kind of go-around.
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I want to kind of talk a little bit about what's being demanded by the bloc here, but just first this week, has this helped kind of the conservatives keep up their messaging?
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And in case anybody was wondering, that messaging was taxes up, crimes up, times up, because I heard it a million times in the House of Commons this week.
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But Warren, has this been a win for the conservatives politically?
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I think it's a wash. And yes, Polyev is a master of the pithy bumper sticker statement.
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And it drives a lot of journalists crazy, because they're paid to write, you know, 700 words at a time.
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But it obviously is working. And I don't know if you guys saw it yesterday, but this is one of those fall-off-my-chair moments.
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Abacus came out with federal vote intentions. So this is yesterday.
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These are people certain to vote. Okay? Certain to vote.
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That's lights-out time. That's the Liberal Party of Canada heading to fourth place.
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So if the question is, is anything that Pierre Polyev is doing working?
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I would say the answer is, everything that Pierre Polyev is doing is working,
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because he's about to preside over the biggest defeat of the Liberal Party in its history.
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Yeah, it seems everything that he touches is political gold right now.
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Tasha, to Hannah Warren's point here, is this proof that his message is resonating in some way?
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Well, I think it's a combination. I think his messaging is resonating, and the Liberals are not.
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And until that's recognized, they're not going to go anywhere, because the last two by-elections,
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well, three, actually, that was held, but two of them specifically, where Liberals had safe seats,
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really were both, I think, a referendum on the Prime Minister, and in both cases, he lost.
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And that's not changing, because he's digging in his heels.
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And the more he digs in his heels, the more he says he's going to dig in his heels,
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the more that cements in people, the idea, the people who want change, that he's not leaving.
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So the only change on offer, the realistic change, is Polyev.
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And the conservatives are saying the right things.
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Those are the issues that are on people's minds.
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They're the option on the table, and people are going for it.
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His gambit failed on the, you know, we're going to not support the government,
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You know, I think it's the writing's on the wall.
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I guess, Carl, from your perspective, are you seeing anything that the Liberals can really do
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It seems like the conservatives are continuing to hit through with the Canadians on their messaging.
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Yeah, it's difficult to see how they can get out of this mess.
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But on the short term, they're going to have to deal with the bloc's demand,
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Because clearly, if they do not survive, they're doomed.
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has announced that for the first time in a decade,
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the NDP is leading the Liberal Party in their national numbers.
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And the details will be released on Tuesday, I believe.
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which means that those bloc demands that the timeline the bloc has put forward
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And just on those bloc demands, Carl, do you think,
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I know we're dealing with a lot of political showmanship this week,
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but it appears that the Liberals at least have the blocs.
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Is that deadline that the blocs have set for them?
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Yeah, because the bloc doesn't want to negotiate.
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They say, these are the two bills we want to see through.
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We want to see all the way to where it was set before October 29.
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Now, of course, the NDP can always prop them up,
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and the Liberals can go and try to negotiate with the NDP.
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So that's why you have a clear ultimatum with clear demands.
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And then they can ask for more things and have another deadline.
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If it's not met, then they're done propping them up.
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And I think it was a brilliant move by François Blanchet.
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And it appears the Liberals and NDP both don't want to go to the polls right now.
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And the bloc appears to also know that as well.
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I guess, Warren, is that kind of the real deadline here, this October 29 deadline?
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Is that going to be the first real test of the government here?
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I think Blanchet is being transactional and completely cynical, but brilliant.
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You know, his $16 billion demand, that's what it's going to cost,
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is going to be popular in the province of Quebec.
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And that's what matters to him more than anything else.
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But again, you know, the NDP is being hurt by, you know, talking tough about opposing the government
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So, you know, is the Liberal Party going to fold like a cheap suit and give Blanchet what he wants?
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And I just, all I can do is picture poor old Mark Carney sitting there going,
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I sure picked the wrong time to jump onto the deck of the Titanic.
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Mr. Fiscal Probity joining the Liberal Party, you know, financial wheelhouse.
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But anyway, just on the block demands quickly, Tasha,
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just the idea, do you think that's going to be the first real test of government
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is making sure that, or the block's kind of demands here,
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putting the government on notice by the 29th of October?
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The block is really smart to do this because it's raised Blanchet's stock.
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He said, I'll bring them down and then crickets.
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It's, you know, I won't bring them down right now, but here's my demand.
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What it does see, though, too, interestingly, it paints the government into a corner.
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And, you know, it's the one that people are saying Trudeau should take,
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And that was actually floated this week by Tom Mulcair.
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I floated it also in a column saying I think, you know, he could do that.
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But the deadline, I hadn't thought of it, the deadline actually makes it more likely,
01:04:46.160
if Trudeau does want to save the furniture and save his party, that he would do that.
01:04:52.960
Because, yes, to Carl's point, then, you know, the axe can fall.
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So if you know the axe is going to fall, get out of the way of the axe.
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I guess we'll see how they'll kind of machinate around that.
01:05:06.120
One thing I wanted to ask just about the whole conference motion this week, just kind of quickly here,
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is, you know, Pierre Polyev, as we've talked about, and the conservatives have been rising in the polls,
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but kind of wondering if you guys see this, too, as how quickly things can change in many senses.
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This whole issue surrounding the comments debate this week,
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the prime minister saying, you know, there was some casual homophobia going on.
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Look, I think this was more house silliness than anything.
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I was watching for several hours, so things were already stupid at many points.
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But, you know, Pierre Polyev was making some very good points on the purchase of this luxury apartment
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Some very valid points about the misspending of government funds here.
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And then it gets derailed by this comment that was just kind of more stupid than anything else.
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I guess, Warren, is that kind of a warning here of, you know,
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how quickly the messaging can change if you're not disciplined?
01:05:52.560
Well, I think it's symptomatic of a government, a political party,
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that's desperately looking for something to grab onto to save themselves from drowning.
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I don't think the MP, I forget his name, and so does everybody else who made the comment,
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Like, that would be kind of a dumb thing to do when your leader's dad is gay.
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But, yeah, we've got to get ready for more of this stuff.
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and the only resolution I see for the Liberals is what Tasha just described,
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which is Justin Trudeau leaving for the lecture circuit,
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until that happens, we're going to have more of this stupidity
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and then behaving like children instead of adults.
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because we've seen this happen with the Conservatives in the past in terms of just,
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you know, Liberals or those on the left kind of highlighting some more socially
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Conservative members as well in some of their positions,
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is that, you know, is that also a danger here in terms of a distraction for pure polio moving forward?
01:06:58.540
You know, I heard the comment, it was by Garner Genovese,
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do you do your work there in the bathtub or something like that?
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Okay, I think it's because the bathtub cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.
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I don't think in the heat of the moment he was trying to make a homophobic comment.
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Yeah, the Conservatives, their Achilles heel is generally things like those moments that have happened
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on issues of civil rights, on issues of minority rights, LGBT rights, women's rights.
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Like, their members have slipped up in various elections across the country in the past.
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But I don't see that as this year, and I think that Trudeau was really, like Warren said,
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it's like a giant straw floating by, I'm just going to grab this one.
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A handcrafted copper soaking tub is what he's referred to.
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They were listing off the features of this condo,
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but kind of, Carl, to the point of, you know, the Conservatives are riding high right now,
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but, you know, it is a long time, I guess, before we could see a next election.
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There is, I guess there's a focus on staying on message
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that's going to be very important for the Conservative leader.
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Absolutely. You know, it can go off the rail very quickly.
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But, you know, parliamentary silly season is one thing.
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What will be more dangerous is candidates on a campaign trail saying things.
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MPs going to, you know, anti-abortion churches in the states to spread the message.
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You know, that kind of thing, the Bozo eruption, the Lake of Fire kind of comments,
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because right now they're in a really good place.
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They are the only party that represents change in the House of Commons.
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That's why you're seeing the Conservatives' table with another confidence vote.
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You know, that's why we have another vote, because they want to underline that message.
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Now, of course, there's danger in that too, which is if you keep just doing it and doing it
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and keep losing, you show that you're ineffective.
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But right now, as we stand now, they're in a good place,
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and they cannot afford any kind of candidates or MP doing things that are highlighting
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what sunk Errol Toole, what sunk Andrew Scheer,
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which is the social Conservatives' anti-abortion type of Conservatives
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And we'll see how that kind of issue squares out.
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But that second non-confidence motion, I believe, expected to be voted on on Tuesday.
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We did hear some, I don't know, a little bit of a bombshell here from CeCe on Friday,
01:09:47.660
saying that a member of Parliament, a former parliamentary member,
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may have been working on behalf of a foreign government
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or working to influence our government on behalf of a foreign government.
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This is just kind of one thing that's been trickling out over the course of the past couple of weeks
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during this federal inquiry into election interference here.
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We come back to this issue of, you know, should we be naming names?
01:10:14.000
I guess, is this concerning for you that we just don't know anything right now?
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And it's concerning that people aren't paying enough attention to it
01:10:23.340
when all the silliness, as we just talked about, is going on.
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It's really, you know, the spies among us thing.
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They wanted to bring this to a vote in the House of Commons, a priority motion.
01:10:40.660
Honestly, if national security isn't a priority, what is, right?
01:10:44.140
I think that there would have been, there was an argument, and I made this argument, too,
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initially, that those names didn't have to be made public immediately,
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but they had to be communicated to the leaders of the parties to make sure these individuals didn't run again.
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Those were the 11 names or the people that were suggested in the original Hogue report.
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So, at this point, I think the public is going to demand a right to know,
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and people will want to know, because we cannot have an election,
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which is just around the corner, potentially, with these people running again.
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And there is a, you know, that public need and that public want to know, Warren.
01:11:21.440
But what I keep hearing from, you know, intelligence security experts is that, you know,
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We're risking a lot by releasing some of these people's names here.
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How do we get to the bottom of this if we can have CeCe's know that a parliamentarian is perhaps working for a foreign government,
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and it appears that nobody can really do anything about it?
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You know, call me crazy, and lots of people do,
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but I would like to know whether I'm voting for somebody who is a traitor and a spy.
01:11:53.100
Like, it's a study in contrast, actually, this week.
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We have people in Ottawa dismissively telling the rest of the country,
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and the mayor of one of the biggest cities in the world,
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who's got more power than any premier in Canada,
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and he's entitled to the presumption of innocence,
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and, you know, he's going to get a trial and all the rest of it.
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well, just, you know, keep quiet, you know, Canadian voters,
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in terms of, you know, the legal process here in Canada.
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But, you know, should we be entitled to more information
01:12:49.560
Well, yes, we are absolutely entitled to more information,
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and they've made these allegations in the past,
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because I think this is just the tip of the iceberg, guys.
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you're wondering what the RCMP is also up to in this?
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that they have the same information that we do,
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but we haven't heard a peep from them on this front.
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But if you suspect a parliamentarian to be a spy,
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we are seeing what's going on in Lebanon right now.
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well, as many Canadians as possible out right now.
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I don't think there's any really controversy around that,
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with Hezbollah and this conflict heating up right now.
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because Nasrallah has been dispatched by Israel.