KINSELLACAST 331： We need leadership now - with Lilley, Mraz, Kheiriddin, Belanger, Bailo, Furey! Plus： 20_20, the Reds, Penetration, Skids, Eddie and the Hot Rods
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Summary
It's the long weekend, and there's a bunch of stuff to talk about, including the latest to jump on the Liberal Party's Titanic, the Hot Rods, and some music that's kind of weird.
Transcript
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It's the KinsellaCast, starring Warren Kinsella.
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Hey, it's Warren, and welcome to the KinsellaCast, and happy Thanksgiving.
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I've got Brian Henley from Arizona, where he's on the presidential beat.
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John Mraz and I talking about domestic and international affairs.
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It's Tasha Carradine, Carl Belanger, and I talking about the latest to jump on the SS Titanic, i.e. the Liberal Party of Canada.
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Greg Brady and I with Anna Bio, and some other folks, and some music that's kind of weird.
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So, Pierre and Alan, the Hot Nasties, are coming to the county next weekend for a visit.
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I know that's going to come as a tremendous shock to you, but we were weird.
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And we would, you know, we were in the Pistols and the Clash and the Rones and all that stuff.
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I was a writer for this publication called Music Express.
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I was like the kid in Almost Famous, without the groupies.
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And so I'd get all kinds of free records, free vinyl all the time, and lots of one-hit wonder stuff.
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But some kind of one-hit wonder, at least from the North American perspective stuff.
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Penetration, who was big in Britain, less so here, was shed above the noise.
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Skids, same deal, big in Britain, not so much here, into the valley.
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And Eddie and the Hot Rods with Get Out of Denver.
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Just listen to Eddie and the Hot Rods do Get Out of Denver.
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And I was just observing leaders, as I sometimes do.
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Which is, to remain human, you have to choose sides.
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And conservative leader Pierre Polyev, I think, has chosen a side.
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You know, Polyev sometimes gets himself in trouble for lack of nuance.
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But this week, his refusal to equivocate on Israel deserves high praise.
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So, on Parliament Hill, he stood up for the microphones and condemned the avalanche of anti-Semitism.
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The likes of which, he said, you know, we've never seen before in this country.
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General's got one of the worst problems in the world, as we talk about on this show.
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He talked about the firebombing of synagogues, the genocidal protests, chants in front of Jewish businesses and homes and hospitals.
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And then he talked about the burning of the Canadian flag by Semedun, those sons of bitches, the pieces of shit in Vancouver.
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Which is a federally registered non-profit that Polyev rightly describes as a pro-terror organization.
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And here, I'm going to quote to you what he said.
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Compare that to the spinelessness of Toronto Mayor Olivia Chow, who this week was notably absent from a Toronto ceremony to mark the terrible events of October 7th.
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Ontario Premier Doug Ford, two dozen other politicians, all levels were there, not Chow.
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She, who's the mayor in a region where half of Canada's 400,000 Jews live,
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she literally suggested to the media that multiple invitations she was sent somehow ended up in somebody's spam folder.
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And when that didn't work, and because certain Toronto consulers like James Pasternak reminded her that they'd spoken to her in person about it,
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she actually said, well, I didn't go because I was tired.
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Foreign Affairs Minister Melanie Jolie was no better.
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On Monday, Polyev twice asked her to condemn these anti-Semitic genocidal chants heard in our streets all the time, and she wouldn't.
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Polyev then rightly accused her of pandering to Hamas and its ilk.
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This is where former New Democratic Party leader Thomas Mulcair, who, by the way, if he was still leader, this anti-Semitism wouldn't be gripping the NDP like it does now.
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He provided an explanation for Jolie's craven approach towards Israel, which has seen Jolie much more critical of Israel than its homicidal enemies.
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He wrote a column for CTV, and he described meeting Jolie and talking about South Africa's bullshit claims that Israel's committed genocide in the war against Hamas.
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And he quoted her saying this, Thomas, have you seen the demographics of my riding, end quote, which apparently is a reference to the 22,000 people who identify as Muslim in Jolie's Montreal area riding.
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And I just want to point out here, most of the condemnation of Hamas and Hezbollah and these murderous cults that I hear from, I hear from Jews, and right behind them, I hear from decent Canadian Muslims who are also appalled by what's taking place and support the drive to eliminate Hamas and Hezbollah.
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Anyway, not to be outdone, Justin Trudeau was non-committal on the call by Polyev and every major Jewish advocacy group and multiple leaders at all levels to ban Samadun for its links to listed terrorist entities.
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Like Samadun is in Vancouver and was given non-profit status by the Trudeau Liberals.
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It's banned in Germany, considered a terror group in Israel.
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They were banned this, actually designated as a terror group by the Dutch Parliament this week.
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Its leadership have openly admitted their ties to the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, which is a listed terrorist entity.
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And Terry Glavin at Post Media, he has written a lot about Samadun, doing great work.
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He told us this week they've punted the file to the bureaucracy, which means, you know, maybe we'll be lucky if we hear about it again in like half a decade.
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They want political leaders to clear about where they stand, even if they disagree with the politician's stance on the issue.
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That's why conservatives tend to win elections with a smaller electoral base.
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And, you know, what's happening in the states with the presidential is an example of that.
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As I write in my book, Fight the Right, which you could still get if you want,
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progressives get tongue-tied talking about values, and in so doing, they end up sounding like cowards.
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This week, when decency demanded that we remember the 1,200 men, women, children, and babies slaughtered by Hamas and Gazans,
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and the 250 Israelis kidnapped, and the 100 women and girls raped by terrorists,
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They needed to choose sides against terror and anti-Semitism, or for decency and democracy.
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What we got from Olivia Chow, Melanie Jolie, and Justin Trudeau, instead, were profiles in cowardice.
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We've got tons to talk about with our friend and colleague, Brian Lilley, who is stateside at the moment.
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I am currently in Kingman, Arizona, made famous by Route 66, and it's all under the same name.
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In Kingman, Arizona, just off the highway, it's early morning here.
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But just to the left of me, a little bit of Canadiana for you.
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There is a weathering vehicle from the Canadian Pacific Railway that says Toronto Yard on the side of it.
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And then just the other side, there's somebody in an Alberta pickup truck hauling their Di Tommaso Pantera sports car down here for the winter.
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And there's a lot of Ontarians and Albertans and so on in Florida helping people out who have been hammered by Hurricane Milton.
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You told me Trump has just been there or Harris has just been there or Trump's coming.
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It was Republican in every presidential election from 1952 until 2016, except for one.
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1996, Bill Clinton won because of the vote split with Ross Perot.
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And I know, you know, some people will know he didn't.
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So where I am is pretty much Republican territory.
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And that's who Trump appeals to across America.
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The Hill and Emerson College says Trump's ahead by two.
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And then as I put in my column for the sun, AARP, American Association of Retired Persons,
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And you'll realize why this should be scary for the Harris people.
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They found them within two points of each other as well.
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But there was no difference between white and Hispanic.
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The Hispanics were still favoring Trump just slightly.
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And as you and I both know, 18 to 34 is the most unreliable group of voters.
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So right away, you had Tim Walls and J.D. Vance in here.
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The day early voting starts, doing events, trying to get people out.
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Thursday and Friday, Harris was in Arizona for a couple of events.
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And I don't know if you caught it, but I said the Republicans are pushing for early voting.
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Remember, they were saying just show up on voting day.
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No, they were casting doubt on the reliability of advanced voting.
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Well, thank you for giving us some reporting from the front lines of American presidential 2024.
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I think you and I have been the two pundits who have been kind of shrugging and saying, eh, about it.
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Is this so-called caucus revolt against Justin Trudeau.
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Why do you think, like me, it's not a big deal?
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Well, I spoke to a couple of liberal MPs yesterday.
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Yeah, I still have liberals that talk to me, believe it or not.
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But, you know, the people I'm talking to, much like America Walsh at The Globe talked to, I think, 10, got similar results.
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You should probably keep an eye on it, but that's about it.
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And then, according to Globe's reporting, I didn't see who they had.
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Apparently, some media outlet had named two of them.
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Well, I'm driving all over rural Arizona, so I missed those names.
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But The Globe talks to them, and they say, and without naming them, they've both denied they're part of this.
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Okay, so, you know, if this is real, then it's the gang that couldn't shoot straight.
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Remember, there was a letter going to be circulated, and then it was just an email from Wayne Long, who, you know, Wayne's an old blue liberal.
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He'd be comfortable in the old Kretchen liberal government, and he's long been at odds with Trudeau over a bunch of things because he thinks he's not centrist enough.
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I'm not ready to completely discount it, but I am very skeptical.
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Are you skeptical about the fact that it took Zita Estravis 54 days to walk a CSIS warrant request across the office?
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They must have a really big office in Bill Blair's ministry, right?
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I mean, it's got to be enormous to take 54 days to walk a document across the room.
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Do you remember the old animation with, like, the Jetsons or the Flintstones, and they'd be walking for a long time, and they would just recycle the back.
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You know, you just keep saying the same thing over and over again.
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Oh, there's no issues with it, but of course, he's an old cop who knows how to testify in a courtroom, which this effectively is.
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And one of my biggest problems with the Trudeau Liberals for the last while is that they can't manage shit.
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You know, it's one thing if I disagree with your policy, but you're competent in what you're doing.
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And I don't know, Zita Stravis, we've met a few times in passing, you know, as you do, covering politics a long time, being involved in politics a long time.
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Interestingly, though, she does work for a firm owned by one Stephen J. Harper now, Wellington.
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But, you know, she has been at the center of so many scandals involving the Liberals, both provincially and federally.
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It's her name that's out there, and she was questioned about this when several years ago the Global Mail reported that Michael Chan, the Liberal donor, organizer, former Ontario Liberal MPP and Cabinet Minister, when they reported that he was subject of interest by CSIS, she was the spokesperson for Kathleen Wynne, who defended Chan and said, oh, no, he's great.
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And then when the warrant goes to Bill Blair's office, she's the one that sits on it.
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She seems to show up every time there's something going on there, Zita.
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And just to tie it back to the Ontario Liberals again, because I kept saying, if you love what Kathleen Wynne did to Ontario, you'll really love what Justin Trudeau is doing, because they all moved up there.
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They're pulling in someone from Kathleen Wynne days to run the Liberal campaign now.
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Andrew Bevan, who is, I don't know if you know him, I do.
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He's a very nice guy, but he is the wonkiest policy wonk of all wonks.
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But I guess he got the short straw and got pulled out of Freeland's office and is now going to be the campaign director of the SS Liberal Titanic.
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Andrew Bevan was Kathleen Wynne's chief of staff for the last couple of years of that ship going down.
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And I don't know if you know what he went on to do after that, but he went from Kathleen Wynne's office to Mohamed Faye's office, the guy over at Paramount Foods.
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Who has burned an awful lot of bridges with his commentary post-October 7th.
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He's an honorable gentleman when I've dealt with him.
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But is he the elbows-up guy they need to take on Paulyev and the Conservatives?
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Well, fake is beneath contempt in my view, but we're not going to spend a lot of time on him.
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But a contemptible thing happened again in Toronto this week.
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Maybe we can conclude by talking about this because we'd be negligent if we didn't, which is the shooting up of a Jewish day school for girls in North Toronto.
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And the bad guys have not been caught, as was the case the first time.
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This happening on Yom Kippur, this happening the week of October 7th being remembered, what's your take on it?
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Because I thought Paulyev was outstanding on it, and Trudeau and Jolene, the rest, of course, were a disgrace.
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Well, he has moral clarity on this issue, and that's winning him a lot of supporters.
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It's also winning him a lot of detractors, because this is a divisive issue, but he's on the right side of it.
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How do you defend shooting up a Jewish school for girls?
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This is the second time, and I don't know if you remember when, just after the last time it was shot up.
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That's the rail line going past me out here on Route 66.
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There was a gathering of politicians out at the school, and Olivia Chow talked about what they're doing to help,
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and she talked about a fund that would pay for bulletproof glass on the school windows.
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And Premier Ford jumped in and said, can you believe she has to say that?
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There's reason to be critical for elsewhere related to this.
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But he pointed out, like, why do we have to talk about bulletproof glass for a school?
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There were two guys at that first attempt caught on video shooting at it in the middle of the night.
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They have not been caught so far as you and I talk.
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But, you know, if you haven't gone to a Jewish community center or a Jewish event, the security is amazing.
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You go to a synagogue, and I say this as someone who spent most of my life going to mass.
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The only time you see a cop at mass is if they're showing up for mass.
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You know, Officer Flanagan shows up because he's going to get communion,
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not because he's there to stop bad guys from attacking.
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And that's the way it is for the vast majority of places of worship in Canada or cultural institutions.
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And then you go to a Jewish school, a Jewish fitness center, like the Jewish version of the Y up in North York.
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Those are paid-duty officers that are outside constantly.
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I had a paid-duty officer stop me on a walk recently at Spadina in Bloor.
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He told me he's been stationed to go there for weeks because the community just feels they need an extra level of security.
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This is one of the ones that the Hamasnik protesters targeted.
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It is unacceptable, and it costs them a lot of money.
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I'm speaking at the Negev dinner in Ottawa next month, and a big part of it is just raising money for security.
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Well, Brian Lilly, wonderful to hear your voice and hear all the sounds of Arizona in the background.
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Have a ton of fun covering the presidential stuff and everything else you're doing,
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and we can't wait to see you when you get back.
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In a day or so, I'll be standing on a corner in Winslow, Arizona.
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Well, just look both ways for you across the street.
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I still remember it was autumn, man, and we were shining.
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My sister's candlelight was rolling down to break a window.
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You wait for 20 miles, man, I wasn't spinning over.
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It ain't like all the miles, no, and that she was running.
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We were trying to trust her, left her by the side because she was burning, burning.
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Lucky cats and creatures, all the fucking school teachers.
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Had a lot of something, but we knew we couldn't reach her.
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So, but that we needed something, that we can't afford.
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She ain't got no shit out of, put it on the canvas short.
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All I had to do is name, I'm running out of, picking up.
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The people standing in there, we need an industry.
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I'm not the question, I'm in front of the girls, screaming, screaming.
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I can reach each other just to see if we were dreaming.
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Need no loving if they need for just a half an hour.
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Then it's gone through, so I need to turn it to a bunch of towers.
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The Rick and driving, but the cabin just got fun and rubber.
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Took a drive until we ran into some party weather.
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I couldn't see anything for summer, we just kept on going.
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We took a drive in, not like five, but let's pretend I'm on it.
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Only by the sea, the people we were finally stopping.
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We were being part of the highest, they believe the truth, but there you go.
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Get out of Denver, cause you look just like a commie and you might just be a member, baby.
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Get out of Denver, cause you look just like a commie and you might just be a member, baby.
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Get out of Denver, cause you look just like a commie and you might just be a member, baby.
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and we're back we're back with john mraz and john um if you're going to revolt against a leader who
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is revolting don't you like isn't it a condition that you attach your name to it and like belly up
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to a microphone and say hey i'm john mraz and i want justin trudeau to go but they're not doing that
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are they you know i i can't believe i'm saying this i admit i i i yearn for the days of the clone wars
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between pechin and martin because you knew whose side everybody was on and for a decade that fight
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went on but people were quite outspoken i i don't i don't believe there's a caucus revolt going on
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there are rumors of a caucus revolt um and then people you know sort of trudge out and say but
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but there are no names there are documents only there are no copies ottawa's a sieve right now
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i find it difficult to believe that somebody wouldn't be able to produce a single piece of
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tangible evidence so maybe just uh you know reporters here domestically had nothing to report
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about while justin trudeau went to a country that we have little to do with and ignored
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all the international and domestic stuff that he's supposed to be taking care of
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do you think that he's doing that his this tour it's actually important that you mention that um
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because it it feels like you know that end of regime kind of circuit that presidents and prime
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ministers do or do you think that the son of a bitch is going to try and hold on
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i would be actually disappointed in myself if i understood the mind of justin trudeau so to have
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a caucus revolt you have to have a leader of a caucus revolt and that means you have to have a
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contender or a couple of contenders who are prepared to put down their swords ready to fight
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for succession and i can't identify anybody right now with the chutzpah or the interest to walk us in
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the next election um or and and certainly i can't identify anybody with the proven capacity popularity
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ideas organization money or team so we can keep on chatting about this uh until justin trudeau on a
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whim maybe the day after he served longer than harper maybe um you know before then uh decides to take a
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long walk in in um the slime not the snow next question relating to the trudeau government yeah
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no both of us have the same disinterest in this story it's till you prepare to put your name on it
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who cares um foreign interference inquiry you know zita stravis you know bill blair so apparently zita
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takes 54 days to walk ceases warrant requests across the office in order for bill blair to sign them
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um what are we to make of this story if anything well sometimes it's a long walk across the hall
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um and and zita who i worked around etc didn't always agree with is um a very capable human being very
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bright very ambitious uh worked your way up from the bottom of the party and um uh i'm not sure it's
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fair to hang that long walk on her maybe somebody lightly suggested and we've seen this happen both of
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us in government that something just keeps on getting put to a bottom of the pile yep but the bigger
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question is what constitutes foreign interference it is an undisputed fact that for 20 or 30 years
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foreign foreign well other state nations have either directly siphoned or by using third parties
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siphoned money into local campaigns sometimes maybe more often than not but at least half the time
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um they siphon the money to people of the same ethnicity or cultural heritage what would be more
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egregious what what's been happening in the states is if somebody was getting big bags of money
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uh off the side out of campaign season to uh lobby or try to change canadian policy to the benefit of
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you know a foreign actor like eric adams you mean that's a good example or maybe just you know to
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persuade the pmo and the pco to sort of you know go soft or ignore you know like ukraine or israel
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you know little issues like that just put the brakes on a little bit please and there's no evidence
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that i've seen so far that anybody has received such a bowling ball full of money
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so i'm not sure what they mean by foreign interference it is an undisputed fact that they cyber fuck with us
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and the united states and that the united states cyber fucks with other people i'm not sure we have the
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capacity so there's foreign interference there it's an undisputed fact that foreign money
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seeps its way into elections but i don't think enough of it to any great effect so the question
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is are any of our actually elected members bought and sold directly while they're serving and i've yet
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to see a shred of evidence that that's true well they're not going to let you see the evidence
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because they've announced that they're not going to reveal the names of any of the 12 candidates
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who were apparently compromised uh so welcome to canada um but anyway it's a state you know it's
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just ottawa being ottawa in my opinion uh let's just quickly interrupt the analog is both democrats and
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republicans went to epstein island that's the analog yeah it's probably a bipartisan if not a
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multi-partisan affair yeah no one wins and loses go ahead one issue that uh thank you um one issue
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that um you know i think the conservatives are winning because they're being clear and displaying
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some morality and the liberals and the new democrats are not which is um the terrible things that are
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happening to the jewish community in canada and specifically in the city of toronto you know the
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data you've seen it i've seen it the worst place one of the worst places for anti-semitism
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in the world is the city of toronto and this week uh a day school for jewish girls little kids
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were shot up for the second time not the first time and the bad guys are still in the wind as they
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were from some weeks ago what does this say maybe we can end this way john meres what does this say
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about how we are as a people you know people always say well this is not who we are is it time to say
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this is who we have become well you are patently aware that somebody very close to me is under
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vicious attack by uh terrorist supporters and their proxies here in canada and so i personally
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vexed and infuriated and a causist about this and i'm with you we picked our side very very clearly
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having said that yesterday as i was wandering around sort of telling the story about that individual
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and mentioning all the bombings and uh the bomb that was uh the suspected bomb that was found near
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another jewish institution and the harassment that's going on the streets half of the people
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i spoke to said they had not read seen or heard anything about it and also sort of believe that
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it like it's not it's not punching through and i thought why is that and i thought about my frustration
00:38:58.780
when it came to hezbollah this is my analog so hezbollah pumped several thousand rockets in israel
00:39:06.140
over the last six months and nobody said boo not the bbc not pravda not al jazeera not really the u.s
00:39:14.060
press and here's why because no one ever dies because that iron dome and the israeli defense
00:39:20.060
capacity is so good that none of them get through so there are no victims and as such somehow is less
00:39:29.120
of a story now if they had gotten through there'd be tens of thousands of people dead
00:39:33.640
and so you have all these shootings at synagogues and jewish institutions and harassment in toronto
00:39:40.420
but no one's been killed yet there's never yet been a video of somebody really being physically harmed
00:39:46.920
and i sort of feel like as a result nobody thinks it's really a threat i hope we don't have to wait for
00:39:54.000
that to happen for everybody everybody to wake up and and come come to the side that says we do not
00:40:03.280
want to wage a foreign war on our stores and we will not put up with hate speech and the targeting of
00:40:11.240
specific ethnic groups unmolested unfettered by our authorities for another day but i am deeply skeptical
00:40:20.660
that anybody is paying attention um at all sad but true uh well said uh john mraz um
00:40:31.300
happy thanksgiving i guess right and uh i was born on thanksgiving and i was born on thanksgiving
00:40:40.160
and tomorrow and i'm not going to tell you how old i am is once again my birthday on thanksgiving
00:40:44.600
turkey jokes welcome thank you for having me happy birthday from all of us to john mraz
00:44:53.040
and good morning and welcome to it joining us for our political panel this morning tasha
00:44:58.420
keratin political columnist for the national poster writer for g0 media and an author good
00:45:02.920
morning tasha happy thanksgiving happy thanksgiving to you and yours as well uh warren
00:45:08.340
cancella is here he is a strategist and post media columnist you can read his latest in the
00:45:13.920
gobble gobble gobble gobble gobble gobble gobble gobble everybody carl belanger is the president
00:45:17.580
attraction strategies and a radio host as well carl good morning thanks for joining us
00:45:21.400
good morning happy turkey and happy thanksgiving to everybody here listening as well so
00:45:27.240
some very interesting thanksgiving news coming out over the course of the past well 24 to 48
00:45:31.660
hours really and forgive me for my skepticism guys but you know we have heard a lot of this
00:45:37.300
before this recent effort or this current effort to push the prime minister out
00:45:40.960
apparently coming from within the caucus right now so from my latest understanding this is from
00:45:45.320
vashi capellas last night uh 30 mps have kind of said that they would be on board with something
00:45:50.340
like this but none of them are willing to go on the record you know 30 out of the big caucus i don't
00:45:54.540
know tasha what what do you think we should kind of take away from this is this serious this time
00:45:58.680
i don't know if they're chickens or turkeys uh yeah sorry i had to go there um i think look i think
00:46:07.320
that uh i mean i'm not surprised that this sort of thing would be happening but how serious is it
00:46:12.780
and you can't force a prime minister to resign you can't force him to um the pressure that they're
00:46:17.860
they're putting on this this kind of you know apparently like behind the scenes while he's out
00:46:21.920
of the country all this stuff um i you know i i don't know if that if that will change his mind i don't
00:46:28.460
think i don't think it would um i think the real question will be uh whether he feels that he wants
00:46:36.120
to go down to defeat or the more strategic thing the smart thing if he could do like you know like
00:46:41.960
what joe biden did was for the good of the country that to you know step aside and uh help re-elect
00:46:48.040
the liberal party in his mind maybe that would be a more cogent argument because i don't think he
00:46:53.480
responds well to pressure i think he responds well to grandiosity so if you can sell it on him that way
00:46:58.140
i think you'd have a better chance of him leaving and warren kind of to touch his point right there's
00:47:03.300
not much that's changed in terms of something that may change his mind he's still losing 20 points in
00:47:07.540
the polls or trailing 20 points in the polls so do you feel like this is serious this kind this time
00:47:12.300
around and and would it be you know could you see trudeau possibly just making the move and ending it
00:47:17.760
himself so let's see we've got 30 liberal mps maybe kind of sort of signing a letter that nobody's
00:47:26.960
ever seen and nobody's offering their name of that they're unhappy with the prime minister
00:47:31.540
when i work for chretzian that's what we call monday morning right that's like
00:47:36.420
until these turkeys forgive the pun are willing to step up to a microphone and attach their name to this
00:47:46.060
nobody should pay any attention to it whatsoever and and i think it's just symptomatic of the problem
00:47:51.960
with the liberal party just generally which is that there is no leadership and it's not just at
00:47:56.920
the level of trudeau it's at the level of caucus too it's like boys and girls if this is what you
00:48:03.460
believe if this is what you want then you owe us you know your constituents the people who pay the shot
00:48:10.680
to attach your name to it until then you should all just just shut up i think india well i haven't
00:48:17.780
been speaking out publicly in many ways carl as as warren's alluding to here should we take something
00:48:22.240
from that in a sense of how real and and practical this is well it isn't real and it is not practical
00:48:28.940
simply put if you get rid of a leader um you know it's extremely hard and it's not by signing some
00:48:36.300
kind of secret high school letter that you'll be able to do it uh warren is right you need to
00:48:42.020
go out publicly and and you know you have to do it in a very open way because these these you know
00:48:48.840
these tactics will not amount to anything if justin trudeau doesn't want to go it's not because
00:48:55.400
uh you know there's some mp signing a letter that will not be seen by anyone that he's gonna go
00:49:00.740
it's not gonna work like that so uh in effect maybe there is tension within the liberal caucus but
00:49:06.900
they are not ready to do what's necessary to make a change uh and and secret letters secret
00:49:13.280
document a pledge whatever you call it uh is not gonna work and i guess following up on that because
00:49:20.260
i i have noticed and i've been reading this weekend uh was particularly reading susan delacorte
00:49:25.080
and the star just reporting on this new abacus poll data that we are seeing here that's showing that
00:49:28.960
peer polio's popularity has kind of taken a hit since the return to the fall sitting so
00:49:33.300
wondering your thoughts on that carl i was wondering is that something that the prime minister
00:49:37.020
can hold on to for dear life does like a light raf and say hey we're making headway here or is this a
00:49:42.540
good opportunity for him to get out and let somebody else in while there's a little bit of a reprieve
00:49:46.540
from getting hit so hard yeah i mean the funny thing is that the more you see polio the less you like
00:49:52.900
him right which is why his numbers went up in the summer when you the only one you really see uh
00:49:58.420
uh is the prime minister uh so now that the the the antics are back and also comments i don't think
00:50:05.040
people really like what they're saying i mean the conservatives are winning by default
00:50:09.240
but if there's anyone that can take some comfort in those numbers is is perhaps judgment thing in
00:50:15.420
the ndp because they can see that people want change they want to get rid of the liberals but they
00:50:21.020
have doubts about probably even the conservatives so their hope is that somehow that they could uh you
00:50:27.340
know capture that that wind of change and leap over the liberals and maybe challenge the conservatives
00:50:32.880
that's the hope not saying it's going to happen but those kinds of numbers you know they show that
00:50:38.480
the day that there is some issues can use that with with people give in war and to kind of carl's
00:50:44.240
point i think those numbers do show issues perhaps not uh any new issues kind of issues that have
00:50:49.540
stayed with pure polio but but is that enough to to kind of give the liberals to kind of point to
00:50:53.940
to keep trudeau on when when really it sounds like they may be doing better without him no it's just
00:50:59.900
you know and so i've reached a ripe old age by never reading a susan delacorte column like polio could
00:51:06.440
go out and punch a baby and he'd still be prime minister like he's got lots of points to to spare
00:51:13.120
and uh you know it just does not address the gap for sure when the house of commons comes back in
00:51:19.820
session everybody takes a hit because voters look at that and they don't like the way politicians
00:51:25.160
conduct themselves but you know it's not enough for it's not a life raft as you as you put it for
00:51:31.960
for trudeau the gap is like as much as 22 points some are saying so you know has polio ever been
00:51:39.780
warm and cuddly and lovable no that's not his you know that's not his unique selling proposition
00:51:46.520
he's never suggested that he is you know he's the angry guy for the times who cares about your
00:51:53.020
pocketbook and that's you know what that's the horse he's been riding and it's been working for
00:51:58.120
him and i should mention the abacus number is still showing a 21 point lead for the conservatives it just
00:52:02.740
says 39 percent of canadians hold a positive impression of pure polio 40 percent now view him
00:52:07.420
negatively that's a five point increase from last month so kind of uh of just below water there tasha
00:52:12.540
is that something that the conservatives should be taking away is that kind of just kind of part
00:52:16.560
and parcel with the chaos that we are seeing in the house right now what's your kind of read on that
00:52:20.280
well i think that maybe the chaos in the house i don't think canadians pay as much attention to
00:52:25.620
the chaos in the house necessarily as some of the things that are being talked about i think um it
00:52:30.280
could be attributed partly to uh his stance on the war uh between israel hamas as well he's been very
00:52:35.600
vocal and um i'm assuming muslim voters would be turning away from that if they support
00:52:41.420
the other side in this war um i don't want to generalize but we have seen a migration of the
00:52:47.180
muslim vote to the ndp in polling um so that could be part of the account for it it also could just be
00:52:53.260
that people are paying attention to politics in general in the summer they they weren't um but i
00:52:58.200
think that you know to warren's point like the conservatives have points to spare and it's not
00:53:03.780
like trudeau's favorables have gone up if they were going up if if polio's loss was trudeau's gain
00:53:10.540
then this would matter but it's nobody's game the jagmeet singh's not doing better trudeau's not
00:53:15.600
doing better in terms of popularity so i think canadians they want change they they want change
00:53:20.820
and they may not love the guy in the window but he's the guy in the window so there you go yeah
00:53:26.180
and further to your point just to pass along that uh the the negative perceptions in this poll of
00:53:30.480
jagmeet singer actually at an all-time high as well so to your point it doesn't feel like anybody's
00:53:34.320
kind of winning off of that or this return uh to the house of commons and we've had two
00:53:38.760
non-confidence votes already um the issue right now from the bloc quebecois it looks like they've
00:53:44.120
won this issue on supply management but old age security is still kind of the issue here between
00:53:48.560
you know the possibility of another confidence vote the issue of whether or not the liberals could
00:53:53.980
prorogue parliament as well uh warren do you think the government ends up holding it on to
00:53:58.780
holding on until at least november or are we on the kind of final path here for the trudeau liberals
00:54:04.260
i i'm surprised they haven't prorogued already you know they don't have like they don't have a deal
00:54:11.000
with the bloc so you know it's this giant parliamentary game of chicken that's being played
00:54:16.780
um you know i think prorogation has always made the most sense you shut it down everything calms down
00:54:23.760
there's no more confidence votes trudeau then decides to head off to the lecture circuit and you
00:54:28.840
know the liberals can have a leadership campaign um during prorogation i mean that's how you do it
00:54:35.220
and you particularly do it in a situation like this harper did so why they haven't i don't know
00:54:41.740
but i guess in the next few days we'll see it's a good way of perhaps dealing with the caucus thing as
00:54:46.560
well even though it's a break week it's hard for those mps to to get together they're getting some
00:54:53.320
coverage you know by those of us in the media class who are bored but it's it's hard for them
00:54:59.420
to hold meetings and whatnot so i think prorogation makes sense in all kinds of different ways
00:55:04.960
and a break week could be a good time for for the liberals to kind of maybe take a few days and see
00:55:08.960
where they're at before the the house returns here carl but are you surprised that there hasn't
00:55:12.800
been a prorogation yet or uh do you think the the trudeau government is in peril just with the
00:55:17.040
confidence votes that they've been facing particularly uh oas breathing down their neck with the
00:55:21.120
bloc yeah i mean they have 16 days to meet the bloc's demand uh but it doesn't mean that the
00:55:27.500
ndps on board would bring them down i mean so far they have made no and no move they there's been no
00:55:34.160
indication from the ndp that they will vote down the government and and so in that sense uh i think
00:55:41.000
the liberals think they have some breathing room uh i think that uh clearly the danger is not as
00:55:47.360
imminent as it could seem uh and that's all because the nep wants to see a few things done
00:55:53.100
but they have not made any new demands and that's the surprising thing and so are they waiting for
00:55:58.980
uh the liberals to make a clear announcement that they will not move on oas to make to make
00:56:03.760
other demands uh that's the wild card we don't know what they'll do and i guess this this issue of
00:56:09.580
oas as well tasha is it possible that this passes without liberal support or there's not a whipped
00:56:14.380
kind of vote in many senses that it doesn't need the liberal support in many ways to pass it'd be
00:56:19.420
tough for the ndp to vote against something like this for example uh it would which is why i don't
00:56:23.940
think this vote's gonna happen i think they're gonna prorogue i've also thought the first didn't
00:56:28.420
say for a while now it's like if i were trudeau i would prorogue have a leadership and exactly you
00:56:33.700
know go off into the sunset um that would be the best thing for his party i don't think i don't think
00:56:39.880
they'd necessarily win the next election i don't think that would happen but i think they wouldn't do
00:56:43.220
as badly and he wouldn't also take the personal beating that he's going to get in this election
00:56:48.180
um so i think that is the logical thing to do i don't think it would help the government to lose
00:56:53.500
this vote um and i think that the passage of this this bill also it doesn't make any economic sense
00:56:58.620
you know the trudeau liberals already dropped and i don't know why they don't say this they never talk
00:57:03.820
about it they they brought the retirement age benefit the the oas cutoff back down from 67 to 65
00:57:11.120
after harper had raised it so they actually have given you know to this one they they did give
00:57:16.720
seniors more money when they came in back i think it was in 2017 the measure actually took effect so
00:57:22.520
you know that it it's very strange to me that they are not raising that and saying you know we've done
00:57:28.680
we've done what we need to do we don't need more intergenerational stuff going on like this is
00:57:32.760
going to punch a huge hole in the budget they wouldn't be able to balance i mean it's just
00:57:36.200
and not balance but like you know manage even to get to where they want to be um with the budget
00:57:40.920
because this will punch a huge hole ongoing if they if they do this yeah andrew can i yeah go ahead
00:57:46.780
jump in i have breaking news i've always wanted to do this to you perfect actually we've got a
00:57:51.580
sounder hold on a second here actually uh lc can you throw out the breaking news sounder here
00:57:55.680
you've done it is that see obviously obviously we're very well prepared here goes
00:58:01.820
there we go there we go we got it andrew bevin has just been appointed the liberal campaign
00:58:09.200
director so we have a national campaign director now does that give you the country is saved the
00:58:15.480
country is saved well the the liberal party is saved right just just on that note warren uh because
00:58:21.140
there has been you know some fledgling in the wind here since the last national kind of campaign
00:58:24.680
director set down does that give you an indication that perhaps they're they're gearing up for some kind
00:58:28.720
some kind of race nationally okay well andrew i know andrew he is a very nice guy very smart guy
00:58:36.680
he's a policy guy so this is where i mean to him he's not a campaign manager they're still going to
00:58:43.480
lose they had to fill the position and they've announced that they're going to fill the position
00:58:48.180
on a sunday morning that tells you plenty doesn't it um so andrew was the chief of staff to
00:58:55.900
kathleen win right we all kind of know how that one turned out so i i suspect they went around with
00:59:03.960
their tin cup asking a whole bunch of people to fill the job and andrew's the only guy who said
00:59:09.000
yeah okay i'll give it a shot but i mean the outcome's still going to be the same they're still
00:59:13.060
going to lose very interesting stuff and just a quick uh the the press release here from the
00:59:18.500
liberal team kind of focusing on the economy putting money in people's pockets ten dollar day
00:59:22.160
child care so it sounds you know a preview of what the liberals are going to kind of campaign on
00:59:25.840
i guess any reaction from uh from you carl in terms of this uh i guess filling this hole that
00:59:30.420
uh has been left there for a few months now yeah it doesn't matter yeah uh i mean for the general
00:59:38.460
public lipstick on a pig is that is that kind of what i'm hearing uh andrew i mean andrew's a nice
00:59:43.700
guy warren's right but he is he's more of a policy guy but but for the general public it doesn't matter
00:59:49.560
uh you know i don't think it changes things uh and you can read that press release and it looks
00:59:55.980
like i mean it's like all rewarmed stuff like we've all heard this before there's nothing new and
01:00:02.960
that's the problem like that message is not getting true to canadians so they need to change that
01:00:08.460
message but they can't seem to think of anything else says building a strong economy that works for
01:00:14.540
everyone while creating new middle class jobs i wonder how that minister of the middle class how's
01:00:18.320
that minister of the middle class working uh tasha is this uh as it kind of seems like a kind of more
01:00:23.280
um just for window dressing more than anything else yeah salad dressing i don't know i mean really
01:00:28.920
uh he's also been and it's the thing he's also been um she just said he is she just said to
01:00:34.040
christopher freeland interestingly enough dun dun dun uh so i don't know read into this what you want
01:00:39.440
i i don't think there's much there there and we will of course uh quickly here just while we've got
01:00:44.380
a few more minutes uh foreign interference inquiry continuing this week we heard from marco mendicino
01:00:48.740
melanie jolie and bill blair this week along with bill blair's former chief of staff now the kind of
01:00:54.320
latter two there uh mendicino and jolie seemingly not a lot of stuff there to grab onto in my personal
01:00:59.720
opinion but the big stuff was kind of uh blair in his office seemingly slow walking a warrant that was
01:01:04.760
the allegation now he has denied this saying that you know it's the first he had ever heard of it
01:01:09.200
uh 54 days to approve a ceasus warrant when the typical time was was six to ten it kind of
01:01:14.680
significant here carl in a sense of kind of getting bill blair under the gun here but
01:01:18.260
do you think there's enough here that will hurt the liberals politically
01:01:21.300
um interestingly i think that the uh the damage was already done uh you know this inquiry there's
01:01:29.560
there's not much that's coming out and getting through the canadian public but that the fact that
01:01:35.020
they were they were they were brought kicking and screaming into this this this inquiry was when
01:01:42.280
the damage was being done uh you know and this is what was so puzzling is that the fact that they
01:01:47.660
refused to have this this inquiry for so long when you know it's going to be very difficult for the
01:01:54.500
for judge justice all to come up with with anything significant and precise and and but so far
01:02:00.760
that's what we've seen so you know the fact that this request 54 days does it really matter i don't
01:02:07.960
think so and kicking and screaming is good a good kind of way to put it because they were kind of
01:02:11.700
dragged into this kicking and screaming and it feels like you know uh blair had to be dragged
01:02:15.440
quick and kicking and screaming to kind of get this ceasus warrant uh approved here tasha is there is
01:02:20.440
there smoke here for the liberals in the future to to for a possible fire i guess well there's been smoke
01:02:25.740
there's been smoke on this thing for for ages and i think there should be a fire and this is this is
01:02:31.380
the problem is this this is getting buried in all the other kerfuffle over the non-confidence motions
01:02:36.320
and true to future and the you know the the 30 turkeys and i mean all this stuff it it really um
01:02:43.240
the fact that this warrant sat around um after it left zita estriva's desk uh in the in um the pmo at 13
01:02:52.760
days 13 days she saw it and then 54 days he saw it he says what happened in between that time where
01:02:59.920
did this warrant magically go they're trying to throw i see here trying to throw the bureaucrats
01:03:04.340
under the bus again this government's very good at doing that it's like it's not me it's them um and
01:03:09.640
we don't know who those people would be they're kind of faceless so it's like it went into a black
01:03:13.720
hole but this is just one of many things this government has mysteriously done on this file um
01:03:19.440
you know it it smells if there's smoke there's there should be fire we need the fire we need to
01:03:25.180
to to burn some stuff down here to get to the truth because i think the truth is very damaging
01:03:29.500
for this government and they don't want it out yeah and warren i guess to that point i guess you know
01:03:35.060
bill blair saying that there was just a notification on his on his calendar in terms of this thesis
01:03:39.300
briefing but he didn't know what the uh actual meat and potatoes of it was until you know 54 days
01:03:44.800
later i guess is is this in any way going to hurt the liberal government it should like my colleagues
01:03:50.780
say it you know it should i don't know if it will i've never been a fan of bill blair the guy who
01:03:56.700
turned toronto into guantanamo during the g20 uh but zita his chief of staff former chief of the staff i
01:04:04.400
know she worked in some of my war rooms and i can tell you guys she doesn't take 54 days to do
01:04:11.360
anything she takes 54 seconds so the fact that she did not walk that document across the office
01:04:18.660
is either because she had decided that on her own or she was told not to not to do that and i think
01:04:27.160
we all know who would have told her not to do that so yeah i think we should dig into it but with
01:04:33.060
everything else that's going on probably we won't unfortunately or fortunately depending on the
01:04:38.280
political stripe that you are but those hearings continuing next week so we'll continue to follow
01:04:42.580
those uh that's it for this morning thanks so much to carl belanger warren kinsella and tasha
01:04:46.860
keratin i hope you guys have a great long weekend thank you thanksgiving thanksgiving
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The soldiers go marching and those masses align
01:08:37.200
Anna Baila with us, former Toronto City Council and a deputy mayor as well.
01:08:42.480
And Anthony Fury, 640 Toronto contributor and a council candidate for an upcoming by-election in Don Valley West.
01:08:53.280
I'll start with you, Anna, about the city and beyond the whole mess that is the Middle East.
01:09:02.840
One year ago, Hamas killed 1,200, 1,300 people, mostly civilians, took more than 250 people hostage.
01:09:09.680
Israel responded in kind and reduced much of Gaza to rubble.
01:09:16.240
And yes, some of those people were Hamas militants, but some were innocent citizens.
01:09:21.640
And a lot of people have just lost their lives, period.
01:09:23.480
But the conflict has really had a focus in Toronto and in the streets, in our communities, and it's taken up a lot of oxygen in the city as well.
01:09:37.400
I want to ask first how you felt on October 7, 2023.
01:09:41.580
And did you think the city of Toronto would be playing such a role here, even as long as a year later?
01:09:48.860
I'm fascinated to know everybody's thoughts on that.
01:09:51.460
Greg, I remember on that day thinking about the many events that I had joined in with the Jewish community and hearing from all, everybody in the political spectrum, all public figures saying, never again, never again.
01:10:09.840
And having that feeling that day that, well, it just happened again.
01:10:15.000
And so the way that the world and the leaders were going to react to that was going to be really important, and the community.
01:10:22.160
And seeing on our streets, people trying to justify and glorifying those barbaric terrorist attacks that happened.
01:10:34.100
And then turning on the Jewish community here, it's not us, that we kept saying that throughout the whole year, this is not us, this is not us, but it is us, and it is here.