kinsellacast - November 24, 2024


KINSELLACAST 337: 2024 SUCKS - with Lilley, Mraz, Keiriddin, Belanger, plus Au Revoir Simone, Father John Misty, Bel, Lambrini Girls


Episode Stats

Length

1 hour and 11 minutes

Words per Minute

143.29811

Word Count

10,306

Sentence Count

644

Misogynist Sentences

18

Hate Speech Sentences

23


Summary


Transcript

00:00:00.000 It's the Kinsella Cast, starring Warren Kinsella.
00:00:17.920 Hey, it's Warren. Welcome to Kinsella Cast.
00:00:21.000 What a glorious week it has been.
00:00:24.420 Man, oh man.
00:00:25.700 And 2024. It just keeps on getting it, doesn't it?
00:00:31.740 I'm going to try and make for a better day for you, at least.
00:00:36.200 A better morning. A better hour and a bit.
00:00:40.100 With this podcast, number 337.
00:00:43.520 I can't believe I've done 337 of these things.
00:00:48.240 Hope you guys like it, because I've done 337 of them.
00:00:51.860 I've got Brian Lilly, John Mraz, Tash Carrot, and Carl Blanger.
00:00:57.680 The Usuals, the Regulars.
00:01:00.720 And then I've got some great music.
00:01:02.720 Au Revoir Simone.
00:01:04.840 A band who took their name from a Pee Wee Herman movie.
00:01:08.760 And I just love, it's just this lo-fi, maybe not 80s vibe, but definitely, you know, kind of lo-fi, old-style synth sounds.
00:01:21.380 Just such a great tune.
00:01:23.600 Father John Mystery.
00:01:25.660 Misty.
00:01:27.420 Not Mystery.
00:01:28.320 Although he is mysterious.
00:01:31.400 But anyway, a great tune by him.
00:01:33.500 Bell.
00:01:34.300 Kind of poppy.
00:01:35.340 We forget everything, but I like it.
00:01:37.880 And then Lambrini Girls.
00:01:42.860 Much more punk rock.
00:01:44.460 Much louder at the end of the show.
00:01:47.020 With a song about big dicks.
00:01:49.720 And it's such a great song.
00:01:52.240 And it's such great lyrics.
00:01:53.440 I encourage you to all check it out.
00:01:54.860 I checked out this week with E this movie called Lee, which is Kate Winslet's new movie.
00:02:03.080 It's about the celebrated World War II photojournalist Lee Miller and the descent into the heart of darkness during World War II.
00:02:14.540 The film starts with Miller and her young friends.
00:02:17.280 They're sitting around watching newsreel footage of Hitler and his Nazis marching through the streets of Berlin.
00:02:23.200 And Miller and her friends are obviously disapproving.
00:02:29.440 But you can tell they're unaware that the Nazis are marching towards them too.
00:02:33.680 And so the war begins.
00:02:34.920 And with her camera, a Roloflex, I think it's called.
00:02:39.160 Miller goes on to document London's Blitz.
00:02:42.020 The Battle over Saint-Malo.
00:02:44.140 The liberation of Paris.
00:02:45.800 And then with her photojournalist colleague, David E. Sherman, she arrives at Buchenwald in Dachau.
00:02:53.640 The concentration camps where tens of thousands of Jews and gays and Jehovah's Witnesses and Poles, Freemasons, Communists, Catholic priests, and Roma people were slaughtered.
00:03:04.580 But mainly Jews.
00:03:05.400 And you've probably seen the photos she took at Buchenwald in April 1945, which was just after it was liberated by Allied troops.
00:03:15.460 And they're famous photos.
00:03:17.160 And they're now displayed in museums.
00:03:19.420 And in them you can see a block for medical experimentation.
00:03:22.520 There's other buildings set aside for executions and torture and a crematorium.
00:03:29.560 And she described seeing hundreds of bodies stacked in the courtyard because they'd run out of coal to burn them.
00:03:37.260 And there was death everywhere.
00:03:39.420 And bodies, they had whipping stalls.
00:03:42.640 And anyway, it was just horrible.
00:03:46.060 A very powerful movie.
00:03:47.160 It had arrived right around the same time that Justin Trudeau held a press conference in the GTA to announce a tax holiday on pudding and fake Christmas trees.
00:03:59.820 His smirking minister of finance hovering at his elbow.
00:04:04.300 He was asked about the International Criminal Court's decision to issue arrest warrants against two Jews.
00:04:11.940 And his government would abide by the warrants, he said.
00:04:14.860 That's just who we are as Canadians, he said.
00:04:18.820 Is it?
00:04:20.260 Is that who we are now?
00:04:22.340 Or is it the sort of moral abasement Lee Miller and her friends glimpsed in flickering newsreel footage about Nazis?
00:04:30.440 Because it sure feels like that.
00:04:32.500 Like the two Jews that Trudeau agreed to arrest in the unlikely event that they ever arrive on Canadian soil are Israel's prime minister and its former minister of defense.
00:04:43.820 And they had committed war crimes, the ICC said in a release.
00:04:49.180 And then the release went on to say that the details of the war crimes are secret.
00:04:53.600 Gotcha.
00:04:54.740 It's relevant that the details are being kept secret because disclosing the facts, I think, would quickly reveal the allegations to be as phony as one of Trudeau's tax-exempt plastic Christmas trees.
00:05:06.960 These are the facts.
00:05:08.640 They're not secret.
00:05:09.600 Palestinians, some in uniform and some not, swept into Israel early in the morning of October 7, 2023, and commenced murdering, maiming, raping, and stealing thousands of Jews.
00:05:21.300 On that day, you might say, it was just who they are as Palestinians.
00:05:25.820 I've seen the Hamas footage.
00:05:28.880 It wasn't accompanied by the stench of rotting corpses, as Lee Miller experienced in Buchenwald in April 1945.
00:05:36.280 But it was no less real for that.
00:05:39.140 Then and now, the objective was the same.
00:05:42.400 Kill off the Jews because they're Jews.
00:05:44.800 The world will let them get away with it, Lee Miller said later on in the film.
00:05:50.000 And that really is what Justin Trudeau has agreed to do, let the killers get away with it.
00:05:54.980 And there's a name for that.
00:05:56.080 It's what academics call Holocaust inversion.
00:05:59.300 That is, falsely transforming the victims of a slaughter into the authors of one.
00:06:06.960 It's the ultimate expression of anti-Semitism because it robs Jews of the agony of October 7,
00:06:12.840 and then it magnifies their agony by saying they had it coming, that they brought it on themselves.
00:06:18.800 And that's what the arrest warrants do and did.
00:06:22.060 They impliedly, actually no, explicitly, they shift the blame.
00:06:26.780 They say to the victims, you may have had scores of your people killed on October 7,
00:06:31.160 but if you do anything about it, like anything at all, we'll come after you.
00:06:36.960 And that's what Canada's Prime Minister did this week.
00:06:41.080 He victimized the victims.
00:06:43.600 He put the victims in the prisoner's dock and called it the Canadian way.
00:06:47.520 And then when an anti-Semitic riot was going on in Montreal,
00:06:51.500 complete with Nazi salutes and calls for a new final solution,
00:06:56.960 he partied it up at a Taylor Swift concert in Toronto.
00:07:02.620 What he did this week was not the Canadian way.
00:07:06.760 It was the reverse of that.
00:07:08.080 It was reckless and cruel and despicable.
00:07:11.080 And I suspect, if Lee Miller was still alive,
00:07:13.920 she'd perhaps snap a photo at Trudeau's press conference,
00:07:17.380 tell him what he is, or take a shot of him at the Taylor Swift concert.
00:07:21.460 And then she'd spit in his face.
00:07:23.180 You tell me
00:07:47.500 That it's getting better, but every time that we say goodnight, goodnight, goodnight,
00:07:59.920 I'm haunted by your eyes
00:08:05.260 And how long they've been crying
00:08:10.740 Don't tell me
00:08:16.600 About a bad reaction
00:08:21.680 Don't tell me
00:08:25.380 That you plan to hide, to hide, to hide
00:08:29.120 Reasoning outside
00:08:33.960 I'm moving on
00:08:40.960 I hope you're coming with me
00:08:45.960 I hope you're coming with me
00:08:56.960 Anyone can answer their own questions
00:09:07.960 All you have to do is look inside, inside, inside, inside
00:09:13.960 You know it will be alright, alright, alright
00:09:20.960 You know it's alright
00:09:25.960 I'm moving on
00:09:26.960 I hope you're coming with me
00:09:28.960 I'm moving on
00:09:32.960 You know it will be alright, alright, alright
00:09:38.720 You know it's alright
00:09:43.740 I'm moving on
00:09:50.820 I hope you're coming with me
00:09:59.100 Cause I'm not strong
00:10:02.100 Without you
00:10:07.780 Don't blame it on
00:10:14.440 Your shadows
00:10:19.160 Cause I know hope
00:10:26.800 About you
00:10:30.960 Don't want to hook nothing
00:10:33.140 To fool me
00:10:34.220 Don't blame it on me
00:10:35.580 Don't blame it on me
00:10:36.420 Don't blame it on me
00:10:38.420 Don't blame it on me
00:10:38.680 Don't blame it on
00:10:39.420 Don't blame it on me
00:10:41.560 Don't blame it on me
00:10:42.660 Don't blame it on me
00:10:43.680 Don't blame it on you
00:10:44.280 Don't blame I'll be okay
00:10:44.400 Don't blame it on me
00:10:44.680 Don't blame it on you
00:10:44.820 Don't blame it on you
00:10:46.760 Don't blame it on you
00:10:47.420 Don't blame it on me
00:10:48.140 Don't blame it on you
00:10:48.800 Don't blame it on me
00:10:49.540 Don't blame it on you
00:10:50.740 Don't blame it on you
00:10:52.140 Don't blame it on you
00:10:52.740 This is CFRA Live, Sunday political panel.
00:11:20.500 And welcome to it. Thanks for joining us.
00:11:25.000 This morning, our panelist, Carl Belanger, is the president at Traction Strategies.
00:11:28.260 He is on the phone this morning. Good morning, Carl.
00:11:30.240 Morning, Andrew.
00:11:31.160 Warren Kinsella is a strategist and post-media columnist.
00:11:33.320 You can read his latest in the Toronto Sun. Good morning, Warren.
00:11:36.380 Morning, guys.
00:11:37.220 And Tasha Carradine is here as well, political columnist for the National Post, writer for GZero Media, and author, Tasha.
00:11:42.580 Good morning.
00:11:43.680 Hello.
00:11:44.560 We're all a little bit richer this week with these GST checks.
00:11:48.460 I wanted to start there first.
00:11:50.500 And then I wanted to move on to a couple of other issues.
00:11:52.480 But it's been on the text board this morning.
00:11:53.980 A lot of people kind of talk about this as well.
00:11:56.500 The federal GST rebate to a holiday here for the GST.
00:11:59.940 And then the rebate checks that are coming in the spring, about $250 per Canadian.
00:12:05.100 Warren, is this, you know, what I've heard from, in terms of kind of criticisms of this,
00:12:08.980 is desperation on the part of the Liberals.
00:12:11.180 Look at the poll numbers right now.
00:12:12.500 Is this anything other than desperation?
00:12:14.300 Oh, it's 100% desperation.
00:12:17.400 There's no doubt.
00:12:18.280 This is desperation upon desperation.
00:12:22.220 But it may work for some people.
00:12:24.320 You know, it is helpful.
00:12:26.180 The number one issue in Western democracy is the cost of living.
00:12:30.660 It's why Kamala Harris lost to Donald Trump.
00:12:33.660 You know, it's why incumbent governments are falling everywhere.
00:12:36.300 Well, maybe with the exception of Nova Scotia.
00:12:40.660 This is the worst year for incumbents in the history of polling.
00:12:45.700 And so, you know, making this kind of move may work with some people.
00:12:49.020 However, I am from Alberta.
00:12:52.120 I remember when Ralph Klein did this, and it blew up in his face,
00:12:55.660 because people rightly saw it as buying their support with their own money.
00:13:00.900 So, you know, that may be the case here.
00:13:03.200 The other problem that they've caught is when you do taxation policy on the fly,
00:13:08.700 you always get in trouble.
00:13:10.440 You know, you're going to have other people say,
00:13:11.900 well, you're taking the tax off of pudding.
00:13:14.700 You know, why not donuts or something else?
00:13:18.300 So, you know, those lobby efforts will start.
00:13:21.820 You're going to have people saying, well, why two months?
00:13:23.720 Why not make it three months?
00:13:25.240 And so on and so on.
00:13:26.860 So the cost of the Treasury is about $2 billion,
00:13:29.740 which is a lot of money in which we can.
00:13:33.200 But I guess the Trudeau guys are so desperate these days that they'll try anything.
00:13:38.380 And this is one of the things they're trying.
00:13:40.780 And, Carl, the NDP trying to, I guess, differentiate themselves here,
00:13:44.340 saying they support this, but they would like to see it permanent as well.
00:13:48.200 I guess if you're the NDP right now,
00:13:50.340 it's kind of hard to support something for the liberals like this,
00:13:54.520 while also kind of standing in the background.
00:13:55.900 They're in a weird spot right now.
00:13:57.080 Well, but, I mean, they're making a little bit of a victory lap here
00:14:02.400 because the NDP has been calling for the abolishment of the GST since 1993.
00:14:07.780 So, of course, they'll keep pushing for it.
00:14:09.800 And, you know, on the other side, you have Pierre Poilier, who wants to ask the tax.
00:14:13.920 Well, those two messages, you know,
00:14:16.140 will be faced with the guys who will try to reestablish the tax in two months.
00:14:20.260 How is that sustainable politically?
00:14:21.900 I don't know.
00:14:22.600 I mean, it's nice to have it for two months, but most people say,
00:14:26.100 hey, I kind of like that tax rebate.
00:14:27.800 Maybe I want it permanently.
00:14:28.940 So it's kind of feeding into the messaging of both opposition parties, in my opinion,
00:14:34.060 because the liberals will be alone in wanting to reestablish that tax,
00:14:37.820 unless they make another move maybe, you know, in the budget
00:14:41.080 or pre-prize the budget to make it a permanent move,
00:14:44.340 in which case, you know, from a public policy point of view,
00:14:49.120 it might not be sustainable either, because we are facing, you know,
00:14:53.100 I mean, it's a big chunk of money that's going to disappear from the federal coffers with that move.
00:14:57.120 Well, it's just kind of interesting, just to follow up as well, Carl,
00:14:59.400 because we're talking about desperation, too,
00:15:01.300 and we just saw a similar kind of ploy, a political ploy, anyway, from the Ford government here,
00:15:05.860 but they're in a very different political situation right now.
00:15:08.360 So, you know, speaking about this as desperate,
00:15:10.900 is this the only move that the Trudeau liberals could really make right now
00:15:14.800 to try to get out of the doldrums that they've been in?
00:15:16.800 I mean, no, they had an olive branch from the block about another move
00:15:21.520 that was more expensive in the longer run.
00:15:25.220 So, I mean, I guess they took a shortcut.
00:15:28.840 I mean, the check thing, I mean, you know, there's some examples where it didn't work,
00:15:32.900 but most times people are happy to get the check.
00:15:35.560 And even though, again, it's not good public policy, politically it has worked in the past.
00:15:41.200 So will it work this time?
00:15:42.420 I have some doubts, but frankly, in the end, it is not good public policy.
00:15:50.060 I think a lot of people would tend to agree with that, Tasha,
00:15:53.280 but that idea here, do you think that, I guess,
00:15:56.740 the bump that the liberals could get from this kind of outweighs the bad?
00:16:01.140 I guess they had nothing to lose here.
00:16:03.200 Do you think that as well?
00:16:04.640 No, I think it was the stupidest policy.
00:16:08.320 I mean, they're rolling it out for workers, right?
00:16:12.360 So it's obviously the target election group is workers vote for us
00:16:16.160 because they know that that's the goal of the conservatives is to get the working class.
00:16:20.360 Well, that left all the seniors out in the cold.
00:16:22.480 What are the seniors now saying, where is my $250 coming?
00:16:26.720 Why am I not going to benefit from that?
00:16:29.020 They didn't think about that at all.
00:16:30.860 You look at the list of things that they're taking the GST or HST off.
00:16:35.840 Christmas trees in December, December 14th.
00:16:39.480 Okay, I just heard an ad for Christmas trees before our show,
00:16:42.540 and I'm thinking to myself,
00:16:43.860 so now everyone's going to wait to buy their Christmas tree until December?
00:16:47.000 Like, I mean, come on, guys.
00:16:49.120 Doug Ford did it differently.
00:16:50.860 His $200, you know, vote for me thing is for every taxpayer plus children.
00:16:56.620 So basically everyone, right?
00:16:58.260 So no one's going to complain.
00:16:59.460 I mean, the liberals can't even get it right when they're trying to bribe us.
00:17:03.060 It's crazy.
00:17:05.120 And the fact that it expires this February 14th tells you maybe they think there'll be an election before that
00:17:10.280 because I absolutely agree with Carl on that one.
00:17:12.960 You know, once it evaporates, like, good luck rolling it back.
00:17:15.300 People are going to go to the restaurant and say all of a sudden,
00:17:17.180 gee, now there's tax.
00:17:18.840 What's this?
00:17:19.440 Thanks, Trudeau.
00:17:20.520 It's crazy.
00:17:21.100 It's a very good point as well,
00:17:22.600 and it kind of lends me to think an election could be coming as well.
00:17:25.560 But Tash, you made a good point in seniors because that's what we've been hearing from
00:17:28.340 is a lot of them that, you know, can't believe that they weren't included on this.
00:17:31.440 But then there's the envelope here from doing the math.
00:17:33.940 You know, you can still qualify for this, make it up to like $220,000 a year.
00:17:37.980 So if the liberals kind of missed the mark in making the envelope perhaps too wide here,
00:17:41.380 or is that kind of the point to get out to, you know, a few more people than perhaps you wanted to?
00:17:45.940 No, I think it just causes people to say they're doing this for the rich
00:17:49.160 because, you know, up to $150,000, depending where you live,
00:17:54.500 you could be living very well on that.
00:17:56.700 Probably not in downtown Toronto.
00:17:59.240 If you, you know, you're paying a high rent or own a home, it's not.
00:18:02.620 But if you're living in other smaller centers, $150,000, people scratch their head and go,
00:18:08.500 why are those people getting a break?
00:18:10.200 You know, with Ford, it's everyone, okay, which also, you know, helps the wealthy.
00:18:14.240 But tax breaks help the wealthy much more because they will spend more money.
00:18:18.780 They will buy more presents.
00:18:20.100 They will, you know, buy more meals and take out.
00:18:22.700 So at the end of the day, I think it actually opens them up to critique that
00:18:26.560 this isn't helping the people they say it's going to help,
00:18:30.740 the people who really need help at this time of the year or any time.
00:18:34.180 And they say it's for affordability, but obviously there's political aspects at play here.
00:18:38.560 And they're also doing this with the position in the polls right now is what it is.
00:18:43.100 They're looking really rough right now.
00:18:44.520 The NDP gaining some ground here.
00:18:46.200 So they're obviously trying to do something here.
00:18:48.360 When you see, I guess, new numbers out from Abacus Data this week, Warren,
00:18:52.300 looking at the no Trump bump for Trudeau here, looking like the NDP is actually still making gains.
00:18:57.820 You know, the thought was, you know, perhaps a Trump presidency would give Justin Trudeau a boost,
00:19:02.440 but it does not look like that is coming to fruition at all, Warren.
00:19:04.940 Well, there is a Trump bump, but I think maybe the NDP is getting it.
00:19:10.040 But as long as you have idiots like Lindsey Graham going on Fox News and threatening to crush,
00:19:17.020 quote unquote, Canada's economy, like that's something that even conservatives can't sit by and let pass.
00:19:25.160 Like that is outrageous behavior and it's an outrageous statement.
00:19:29.920 But, you know, like just this week, I don't know if I could just slip this in, but the, you know,
00:19:37.880 Trudeau, I think it's a big, bigger deal than people realize because, you know,
00:19:43.320 I tweeted about it and I got like 260,000 retweets is Trudeau at the Taylor Swift concert.
00:19:50.040 And, you know, a riot underway in Montreal and Nazi salutes and cars being set on fire.
00:19:58.760 And people have been really appalled by that one.
00:20:02.920 And what amazed me is that, you know, Trudeau, you know, he's a pretty capable politician,
00:20:08.000 but how completely tone deaf he and his staff have become, that they let that image go around the world.
00:20:14.940 It's international news, that Trudeau was dancing at Taylor Swift and, you know, Montreal was on fire.
00:20:22.520 To me, it's symptomatic of, you know, how Trudeau and his guys just, they don't seem to care about anything anymore,
00:20:30.480 whether it's Trump or, you know, it just, they're completely disinterested in reversing the problem that they've got,
00:20:39.500 which is, you know, a gap with the poly of conservatives of the 20 points.
00:20:43.420 Like, I've never seen anything like it.
00:20:45.720 It's like, it's like they've given up.
00:20:48.900 Carl, just on that point, the thought process was perhaps, you know, Trudeau was waiting around it.
00:20:55.320 And if Donald Trump were to win, that perhaps he would give him the bump in the polls.
00:20:58.320 But it doesn't look like it's come to fruition.
00:21:00.620 Are they at the end of the line here in terms of things that they could pull out of the hat to make the polls go in their favor?
00:21:06.640 Well, the thing with the Trump bump is that you need to try to exploit it.
00:21:09.740 And they're not, because, I mean, they're being responsible, to be honest, by not going after Trump,
00:21:15.080 by not going after Paul even making him to Trump, because they could.
00:21:18.880 That's what, I mean, if you look at the polls, Canadians are worried about Trump,
00:21:22.120 and they were what it could mean here in Canada.
00:21:23.940 But they have the responsibility of government, and they know that alienating Trump even further would be bad for the country.
00:21:32.080 So that, I guess, they're keeping, you know, something in reserve here.
00:21:36.980 But the problem with that is that, meanwhile, the NDP has no qualm doing it,
00:21:41.500 because they're not in power, and they are the one who could benefit from a Trump bump, as you outlined.
00:21:47.100 And right now, you know, the NDP's on the right, they're tied with the Liberals.
00:21:52.100 Will it stay like that? Maybe, maybe not.
00:21:54.620 We'll have to see.
00:21:55.760 But, frankly, if you want to make the equation, the Conservatives are acting like Trump,
00:22:00.120 and they're Trump-like.
00:22:02.580 The NDP has a play to make that the Liberals can't afford to make because they're in power.
00:22:07.000 And, Tasha, obviously, you know, we've seen Pierre Paulyev stay pretty hot on his talking points this week
00:22:12.840 in terms of what he wants, you know, acts of tax and all of that stuff.
00:22:15.620 But, you know, somewhat conspicuously quiet on the U.S. front so far, I guess.
00:22:19.820 Does this, if you're Pierre Paulyev right now, is it just best to be quiet
00:22:23.120 and kind of let everything chips fall as they may?
00:22:27.000 Yes, because he doesn't have the responsibility of government, as he just pointed out.
00:22:31.900 The Liberals have the responsibility of government.
00:22:35.060 The NDP is never going to have the responsibility of government,
00:22:37.600 so they can say whatever they want.
00:22:39.220 But the Conservatives are the government waiting.
00:22:41.400 So they're looking at this, and they also have links to the Trump, you know,
00:22:45.220 Jamil Giovanni is J.D. Vance's college buddy.
00:22:49.220 You know, they have people that they are actually friends with in that administration.
00:22:54.300 They're not going to start dumping all over it.
00:22:56.280 And right now, it's not in.
00:22:58.140 It's not in until January 21st or 20th.
00:23:01.200 That's when things will, you know, hit the road in terms of policy that Trump is going to bring in.
00:23:06.740 Until then, he's making appointments to his cabinet.
00:23:09.720 Some work out and some won't or aren't.
00:23:12.980 And he's also talking and making noise about the border, deportations, tariffs.
00:23:19.620 But we don't know.
00:23:21.240 It's still speculation what's going to actually happen.
00:23:23.700 So everyone, the whole world, is treading on eggshells.
00:23:26.760 Everyone is, like, waiting for the axe to fall.
00:23:31.020 And it's going to supersede all domestic agendas, particularly for Canada,
00:23:35.260 like it did with Trudeau the first time when he had to renegotiate NAFTA,
00:23:39.060 because it's going to affect 70% of our exports.
00:23:43.000 It's going to affect our border.
00:23:44.480 It's going to affect our daily lives in ways we can't imagine.
00:23:47.280 So the Trudeau government is playing it cool, which they should.
00:23:51.280 And the Conservatives are playing it cool, which they should.
00:23:54.600 And everyone's playing the waiting game to see what's going to happen.
00:23:57.920 We all wait patiently.
00:23:59.560 And we've been talking about polls, and I have no doubts that it's not going to help them in the polls.
00:24:03.800 There's this whole situation surrounding Randy Boissoneau getting kicked out of cabinet this week.
00:24:08.740 Now, there's the issue of his former medical supply business, which I think is a pretty big concern.
00:24:13.800 But there's also issues with his indigenous ancestry as well, and some questions around that.
00:24:20.120 I guess, Carl, are you surprised it took this long to get him out of cabinet,
00:24:24.220 given some of the allegations that have been flying his way?
00:24:27.500 A little bit, but as Warren alluded to, these guys have kind of lost their touch,
00:24:32.060 and they're certainly not nimble anymore.
00:24:34.800 They are very slow to react, and it's true in many situations, you know.
00:24:40.780 And Randy Boissoneau is a case in point.
00:24:42.660 And how that guy survived in cabinet for that long once these allegations surfaced, I don't know.
00:24:49.100 Maybe the prime minister was too busy in the G20.
00:24:51.580 Perhaps that's the explanation, but it falls a little short.
00:24:55.440 And frankly, the fact that, you know, Randy Boissoneau changed his story over the years,
00:25:00.560 and nobody in the Liberal HQ clued in that there might be a problem here.
00:25:04.120 So this was a vetting issue even before he came into cabinet, which is too bad, you know,
00:25:12.900 because I thought as a minister he was doing a decent job.
00:25:17.060 We had a Franco-Alberta, which is a rarity in government.
00:25:20.160 But frankly, he had to go, and the problem for the Trudeau Liberals is it took so long for them to realize that.
00:25:27.960 Well, it also feels like a kind of a cell phone type situation as well.
00:25:31.540 I guess, Warren, do you think this situation kind of speaks to what you were saying before,
00:25:34.800 just about the Trudeau cabinet being out of touch in some ways?
00:25:37.320 Yeah, you know, and especially when these guys style themselves and so preoccupied with Indigenous issues.
00:25:44.600 And, you know, my personal take is, you know, I'm dead to an Indigenous girl.
00:25:49.060 Like, it was just appalling.
00:25:51.060 You know, the contracting thing is bad enough, and there will be an investigation into that,
00:25:56.120 which I think will probably go on long after Randy Boissoneau, you know,
00:26:00.220 heads off to the private sector and wherever he's going.
00:26:02.800 But the most appalling part of it was the false claim of Indigenous heritage,
00:26:08.640 you know, appropriating the culture of Indigenous people.
00:26:12.720 And that's just not all.
00:26:14.360 And that is something that is rightly a scandal.
00:26:17.880 And it was the reason alone.
00:26:19.780 It was a good enough reason for this guy to be kicked out.
00:26:23.740 But, you know, this is an example of Justin Trudeau saying one thing and doing another, you know,
00:26:30.640 saying that he's concerned about truth and reconciliation and going surfing in Tofino.
00:26:35.840 Or, you know, saying he's concerned about Indigenous identity and letting somebody who seems to be a fraudster remain in his cabinet.
00:26:45.380 Again, I think that, you know, traditionally the Liberal Party benefits the most from support from, you know,
00:26:53.220 the more than million Indigenous voters in this country.
00:26:56.320 I think that's going to change next time.
00:26:58.320 I think they've had it going back to Jody Wilson-Raybould.
00:27:01.840 I think a lot of them are going to be voting NDP and some may be voting Conservative.
00:27:06.440 And, Tasha, Carl kind of mentioning that aspect here of, you know, there's a vetting process.
00:27:12.580 This has, you know, been kicking around for a while.
00:27:14.800 Are you surprised, I guess, it took this long for him to finally get the boot from caucus?
00:27:17.980 Yeah, I am.
00:27:21.500 I am because this situation, the abuse of the Indigenous appropriations policy, which allows, the government encourages 5% of contracts to go to Indigenous-owned firms,
00:27:33.180 really arose during the Arrive Can scandal, when it was found that there were lots of other pretendian companies that were saying,
00:27:41.300 hey, we're Indigenous and getting money from the government, and they weren't.
00:27:44.300 So, this was last year.
00:27:47.580 You know, why has it taken so long for Randy Boissoneau's company that was also, that was, you know, in 2020 when they made their applications?
00:27:54.940 And they didn't get the contracts for that, by the way.
00:27:57.000 But still, he claimed his business at the time was fully aboriginally owned.
00:28:00.800 And he's not even fully Aboriginal in his own claim, which, as it turns out, is fake.
00:28:06.760 You know, what shocks me today is that you could just take a DNA test and find out exactly what you are in less than a week.
00:28:15.300 So, how can anyone claim anymore that they are Indigenous if they really are not?
00:28:21.060 I mean, oral history from your family and the sort of fuzzy way he painted it, that he had an Indigenous grandmother or great-grandmother.
00:28:27.860 Or he would speak Cree at events.
00:28:30.420 Like, he really milked it.
00:28:31.780 And that is so offensive.
00:28:33.180 So offensive to Indigenous people and so offensive in general that you would do that for political gain.
00:28:38.640 So, it's right that it blows up on him.
00:28:40.580 It should have blown up before.
00:28:42.020 But there's no excuse for anyone anymore.
00:28:44.260 And people should be careful because it's become a serious issue for Indigenous Canadians who are just like, if they've had enough of this.
00:28:52.580 Yeah, this segment brought to you by 23andMe, clearly.
00:28:55.100 I wanted to stick in one last topic here.
00:28:59.860 And we kind of alluded to it a little bit more earlier in terms of the Cabinet nomination south of the border.
00:29:04.820 Carl, I'll start with you here.
00:29:06.140 The whole Matt Gaetz being nominated and now he has quit.
00:29:09.340 He didn't get the Republicans' support.
00:29:11.980 I guess, what do you make of this whole situation?
00:29:14.200 Just what the heck just happened?
00:29:15.160 Well, I mean, Donald Trump pushed his luck a little too far and, you know, it backfired.
00:29:21.720 But it won't stop him because this is a guy who said, and perhaps he was right, that he could kill a man in the street of New York and be elected president anyway.
00:29:30.260 So, of course, he assumes that, you know, whatever he does will be accepted.
00:29:34.760 In this case, it didn't work.
00:29:36.160 But that won't stop him.
00:29:37.140 Well, you know, I mean, we put an anti-vaccine in charge of health care and so on and so forth.
00:29:43.460 So, you know, it's a misstep.
00:29:48.140 But, you know, the biggest news of the week was the fact that they pushed the sentencing after the presidency.
00:29:56.680 So, you know, on that front, if that was one of the objectives of his campaign and re-elect the president, it worked.
00:30:03.780 Succeeded.
00:30:04.520 Warren, do you think this is pushing the batteries too far in terms of this nomination?
00:30:08.300 Just what do you make of this whole situation?
00:30:11.160 Well, no, not at all.
00:30:12.860 I mean, I think if you're accused credibly of sexual assault in the United States, you've got a poll position to join Donald Trump's cabinet.
00:30:21.320 Clearly.
00:30:22.220 Because there's three of them, potentially four of them.
00:30:25.320 So, no.
00:30:26.040 But, you know, I've got no sympathy for Americans for what is going to come.
00:30:32.060 You know, they had an alternative and they chose this.
00:30:35.800 And the one thing about Donald Trump, I'll say in his defense, he's always who he is.
00:30:41.020 You know, he never pretends to be anybody else.
00:30:43.640 You know, he's a crook and he's a thug and he favors extremism.
00:30:49.580 So nobody should be surprised that his cabinet will reflect that.
00:30:54.060 So, you know, the Americans are going to get what they get.
00:30:56.880 And I think they actually richly deserve it.
00:30:59.580 And, unfortunately, the rest of the world is going to be getting some of the blowback as well.
00:31:04.320 And, Tasha, just last word to you.
00:31:05.580 Just your whole read of this Matt Gaetz situation, the nomination itself, and then withdrawing.
00:31:09.880 Just your thoughts.
00:31:12.940 It's a harbinger of things to come.
00:31:14.780 I do wonder whether he was asked to withdraw or if he decided on his own.
00:31:18.340 You know, there were rumors that the Senate was not going to confirm him.
00:31:23.160 It was causing division among Republican ranks.
00:31:25.740 And Trump doesn't want any division.
00:31:28.740 So, you know, I would love to be that fly on the wall and say, was there a deal here?
00:31:33.200 It's like, okay, RFK goes in, Gaetz is out.
00:31:37.140 Or if it was just a case of that a second allegation had come up and it was seen as that was the tipping point.
00:31:44.680 And Gaetz himself didn't want to go through the public circus that this would be because he has future ambitions.
00:31:49.900 Who knows?
00:31:50.680 But it's a rogues gallery.
00:31:52.380 I mean, look at the people he's putting in there.
00:31:54.440 And, I mean, half of them have been in reality television.
00:31:56.920 Mehmet Oz is now in charge of disease prevention.
00:32:00.020 I mean, come on.
00:32:01.700 Like, it's, you know, there's a word to describe this that starts with S and ends with show.
00:32:07.500 And I think it's going to be, that's what we're going to see after January 20th.
00:32:11.240 And 2.0 at that.
00:32:12.800 We'll wait to see what the reality show brings.
00:32:15.060 But, Carl Warren, Tasha, thanks so much for your time and thoughts.
00:32:17.440 I really appreciate it.
00:32:18.620 Thank you.
00:32:19.140 Thank you.
00:32:19.740 Thanks, guys.
00:32:20.160 Rob Blanger is the president at Traction Strategies.
00:32:21.920 More can sell it.
00:32:22.500 He's a strategist and post-media columnist.
00:32:23.980 You can read his latest in the Toronto Sun.
00:32:26.100 Tasha Kerridis.
00:32:27.080 Tasha Kerridis, rather.
00:32:27.880 Right.
00:32:28.100 Tasha Kerridis, Tasha Kerridis, Tasha Kerridis.
00:32:58.080 Tasha Kerridis, Tasha Kerridis.
00:33:28.080 Jesus Christ.
00:33:30.080 Jesus Christ.
00:33:35.080 It hasn't been long, so it seems.
00:33:42.080 Since I was picking out an island and a tomb for you.
00:33:48.500 At the Hollywood Cemetery
00:33:52.780 A kiss on me
00:33:58.660 We should let this dead guy sleep
00:34:03.800 We should let this dead guy sleep
00:34:10.460 Jesus Christ, girl
00:34:20.360 I laid up your hours in a day
00:34:25.520 Retracing the expense of your American back
00:34:31.860 With avaral and wheat in my vein
00:34:37.000 You came, I think
00:34:41.800 Cause the marble made my cheeks look pink
00:34:47.260 Though I'm unsure of so many things
00:34:53.900 I'll see you next morning
00:34:58.540 I'll see you next morning
00:35:15.160 We'll be right back.
00:35:45.160 We'll be right back.
00:36:15.160 And we're back.
00:36:16.700 We're back with Brian Lilly.
00:36:18.080 And Brian, before we talk about the relationship, such as it is, between the Trudeau government and the soon-to-arrive Trump government,
00:36:27.180 a lot of people have contacted me about the appalling images that were coming out of Montreal in the past days,
00:36:38.760 Nazi salutes and final solution and cars set on fire and windows of homes and businesses being broken and genocidal chants.
00:36:48.560 And there was our prime minister, Justin Trudeau, at the Taylor Swift concert in Toronto.
00:36:56.340 And, you know, you, I think, have always been very fair.
00:37:00.220 The politicians having a private life and a personal life, and that's okay.
00:37:03.940 But I was fucking blown away that he or his staff did not realize how disastrous an image that would be and did not get him out of that concert because it was going to be contrasted against the images coming out of Montreal.
00:37:20.200 Like, it just, I don't know what your reaction was, but I was just gobsmacked.
00:37:24.080 Well, you know better than I do, because you've run campaigns, that politicians spend a lot of time worried about their image.
00:37:35.080 Justin Trudeau, more than most, everything down to how his tie is just slightly askew and his sleeves are always rolled up when he does news conferences like he did for the GST holiday on Thursday.
00:37:48.520 Um, what type of pants he's wearing, what's the backdrop, how is he photographed, from which angles, all those things are thought about in great detail by him and his staff.
00:38:00.620 And so the images being juxtaposed of him dancing while Montreal burns are going to linger and hurt him.
00:38:10.480 And, you know, I've seen his, his defenders, oh, well, the concert didn't start till 8 and, um, Montreal was over by 7 p.m.
00:38:18.720 The riots were.
00:38:20.340 Okay, well then, the staff can actually just get out a statement.
00:38:25.180 The staff can have him watch the show, but not be in the middle of the floor, uh, exchanging friendship bracelets.
00:38:34.260 The fact is, Trudeau has not done enough to call out the raging anti-Semitism in our streets.
00:38:45.060 And, and so the, that juxtaposition from Friday night, um, weighs heavier because of that.
00:38:53.000 You know, I, I don't think he is as, um, you know, I, I think Melanie Jolie is bright on team Hamas.
00:39:00.800 So I've never put him there, but this doesn't help.
00:39:03.660 And, and neither, you know, his statement about he would allow Netanyahu to be arrested if he came to Canadian soil.
00:39:10.940 Um, liberals keep trying to say Pierre Polyev has had a bad week and then Polyev's polling numbers go up.
00:39:18.020 Trudeau, his polling numbers went down this week and then he had a bad week.
00:39:22.180 Um, it, it just not good at all.
00:39:25.420 And, you know, I'm just fed up and I'm done with the guy because as I wrote in my column, yep, that's enraging seeing Montreal and him dancing.
00:39:36.460 But when you look at what he's actually doing to the country and the unemployment rate and the out of control spending and in the fact that now he's doing exactly what he said he would never do with these rebate checks, smart politics in some sense.
00:39:51.300 But, you know, he's giving us a tax holiday for two months just before he increases a bunch of taxes on April 1st.
00:39:59.000 Somebody in PMO planning didn't think that through.
00:40:02.180 No, I think, I don't think he's governing us anymore.
00:40:05.700 He's trolling us.
00:40:06.560 But that, there were two indictments of Trudeau this week.
00:40:10.100 One was your excellent column in Post Media, which I encourage everybody to read, where Brian kind of goes through the litany of abuse that the Trudeau government has engaged in.
00:40:23.680 But also, Pierre Polyev wrote an open letter of sorts to Trudeau, which was extraordinary and so powerful, such an indictment of the Trudeau regime.
00:40:35.380 I think we published it in full in our newspaper.
00:40:39.060 What motivated them to do that?
00:40:40.940 And, you know, what did you think of what Polyev had to say?
00:40:44.000 I found myself nodding as I went all the way through it.
00:40:46.360 Well, I haven't, I haven't talked to him or anyone on his staff since that came out, but probably just the same thing that prompted me to write a column that effectively said, I'm done.
00:41:01.100 I'm done and Canada has to be done with you.
00:41:03.420 So, the sheer frustration, so we're all seeing the powerful images out of Montreal on Friday night, and we're seeing him dancing, and there's no comment.
00:41:16.860 And then, when he does finally comment, it's the same mealy BS that he's been putting out for the last year.
00:41:25.100 He did not, you know, I'm just going to pull it up and read it to people so that you can see there's nothing to it.
00:41:32.820 And it took him until afternoon to get it out.
00:41:37.960 What we saw on the streets of Montreal last night was appalling.
00:41:40.820 Acts of anti-Semitism, intimidation, and violence must be condemned wherever we see them.
00:41:45.840 The RCMP are in communication with local police.
00:41:48.300 There must be consequences, and rioters held accountable.
00:41:52.420 So, not much substance, and then he's trying to shift it while this is on the Montreal police.
00:42:00.500 He needed to be condemning this for the last year.
00:42:04.780 So, Polyev just said, you know, we are reaping what you sowed and goes through how it has been for the last year.
00:42:15.760 And it must be a powerful letter if you are nodding along and complimenting Polyev, because while I've been a fan of his for a long time, having known him for 20 years, you have not been a fan.
00:42:31.860 You've been the opposite of a fan.
00:42:33.920 And, you know, I'm sure you still have questions about what his policies will be like, how he will govern, if and when he wins.
00:42:45.700 But you're looking at him differently now.
00:42:48.780 It is.
00:42:49.180 It's moral certitude.
00:42:50.780 It's moral clarity.
00:42:52.000 It's, you know, I mean, that's the word leadership gets used a lot, but understood very little, in my opinion.
00:43:00.440 Like, Polyev has changed, and I think he gets it.
00:43:04.240 That letter, you know, like along with Brian's column, I encourage everybody to read the letter.
00:43:09.780 And, you know, to the point where we have this extraordinary scene on Fox News this week with Lindsey Graham, who I'm no fan of either, or, you know, Sean Hannity, who I'm no fan of.
00:43:25.220 And Lindsey Graham saying, we will crush the Canadian economy or any economy that, you know, tries to execute on these absurd arrest warrants against Netanyahu and Gallant.
00:43:36.660 You want to tell us a little bit about that one?
00:43:40.440 You know, Lindsey Graham is no example in life that I would follow, but it was just like, wow, is the relationship between the Trump and Trudeau guys ever getting off on the wrong foot?
00:43:52.860 Well, so I was with Trudeau on Wednesday.
00:43:56.980 I was at his event where he was asked about acting on the arrest warrants.
00:44:00.980 And if he wanted an example of what he could say, he could have looked to a statement from earlier this year by a certain Joseph Biden, who, I think it was in May, issued a statement still up on the White House website,
00:44:20.780 calling these indictments and any warrants that would come from them what they are, garbage, law, bullshit.
00:44:30.200 And so for any listeners thinking, oh, it's just the Trump guys.
00:44:36.920 No, Biden does not believe in the ICC.
00:44:40.460 He does not think that they, that those were fair hearings.
00:44:43.420 And you have to recall, they were pushed by South Africa, a country that hosted Hamas after the attacks.
00:44:52.600 And the litigation was funded by Iran, by the way.
00:44:58.300 Yeah.
00:44:58.560 So this is a completely bogus attempt at international law.
00:45:04.780 And I waited to see what Trudeau would say.
00:45:06.980 And I was shocked that he just, he kept talking about how we have to uphold international law.
00:45:12.200 And we were founding members of this court.
00:45:14.880 So we have to do this.
00:45:16.580 No, we don't.
00:45:17.600 We do not have to abide by them because it's a bogus and flawed process.
00:45:24.420 This has always been my problem with, you know, international law.
00:45:28.880 Who sets it?
00:45:29.820 Who adjusts it?
00:45:31.020 Who passes it?
00:45:32.500 It's often, I mean, there's no legislative body and you and I can't vote for that.
00:45:38.060 It is determined by the countries that make up the United Nations, which if anyone looks at that organization with clear eyes,
00:45:45.820 there are more dictators and despots and authoritarian regimes in the United Nations making these decisions than there are democracies.
00:45:56.280 And that's why you get people like Francesca Albanese, who has the impreter of being, well, the United Nations says, well, no, a raging anti-Semite said.
00:46:06.100 And she's backed by all these raging anti-Semitic countries at the United Nations.
00:46:10.840 So Trudeau could have done that.
00:46:12.220 He didn't.
00:46:12.840 And then as they're talking about the arrest warrants on Hannity, Lindsey Graham started to say, we'll sanction any country, any ally that, you know, tries to enact this.
00:46:30.140 And Hannity says, well, you've seen the view of little Justin up in Canada.
00:46:36.000 What should the penalty be?
00:46:40.620 And that's when Graham said, you do this, we'll crush your economy.
00:46:44.440 And I think we should take him at his word on that.
00:46:47.900 But, I mean, that was just one of a few attempts to bruise the relationship.
00:46:56.500 Mike Turner, who's ranking Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, is up in Halifax at the NATO, or no, sorry, not in Halifax.
00:47:06.480 He's in Montreal for the NATO meetings, the ones the Hamasniks were ostensibly protesting by making Heil Hitler salutes and calling for a final solution.
00:47:17.340 So he's there, and he made statements about Canada's defence spending and not meeting targets, and that he doesn't think we will meet targets, and all very accurate.
00:47:28.700 And Trudeau went on a rant against him and accused an ally and someone he's going to have to work with, with spreading disinformation.
00:47:38.280 We had the CDS taking a run at a ranking Republican in the Senate at the Halifax meeting over things he didn't say.
00:47:53.800 These are not the ways that you enabler yourself to the incoming administration.
00:47:58.760 There's always going to be conflicts between Canada and the U.S. over defence spending.
00:48:03.340 As I love pointing out, Barack Obama stood on the floor of our House of Commons, giving a speech to both houses, and said, you need to increase defence spending.
00:48:14.160 This is a long-standing American thing.
00:48:17.440 And the Trudeau guys appear to be taking a swing at every pitch that comes their way, which is not how you win in baseball, and it's not how you win in politics.
00:48:27.040 It sure isn't, and this week is certainly representative of that.
00:48:31.280 And they were striking out across the board.
00:48:35.700 Can I make one quick point that may seem small, given all the other stuff we're talking about?
00:48:41.240 At two of his announcements this week, Trudeau just outright lied, and it gets reprinted, and this is problematic.
00:48:49.960 So on the GST announcement, he said, we're taking the GST off of 100% of groceries.
00:48:56.040 Anyone that knows how the tax works knows that there's very little at the grocery store that is subject to tax.
00:49:03.260 If you're buying pop or chips, you're paying the GST.
00:49:06.560 If you're buying the rotisserie chicken dinner, you're paying the GST.
00:49:10.020 But if you're buying fresh fruit, vegetables, canned soups, a fresh chicken, there's no GST.
00:49:16.260 But he goes around making these pronouncements, and in his statement, we're taking GST off of 100% of groceries.
00:49:23.420 Strange way of phrasing it, but it makes it sound like you're getting more money.
00:49:28.160 And then his school food program, he's going around saying that this is going to save Ontario families,
00:49:36.200 a family of four with two kids, it will save them $800 a month.
00:49:40.440 Well, I think that's questionable math, even if it did apply to every family.
00:49:47.700 But he makes it sound like it applies to every family.
00:49:50.700 And really, it applies to a very small percentage.
00:49:53.580 160,000 kids, there's more than 2 million students in the Ontario public school systems.
00:49:58.560 The fact that he's making these small lies to justify his policies just shows me that they really are at the end here.
00:50:11.980 They are.
00:50:12.660 They are.
00:50:13.460 And I encourage everybody to read what you wrote and what Paul Yev wrote,
00:50:17.960 because they really do feel like obituaries for a government that is dead and doesn't even know it.
00:50:23.800 So, Brian Lilley, my friend, thank you very much for your insight and wisdom this week.
00:50:28.480 As always, have a terrific day and a terrific week.
00:50:32.720 Talk soon.
00:50:37.460 There we go.
00:50:38.260 All your jokes that made me laugh was somebody else's
00:50:48.640 Didn't think too much of it until I found it
00:50:56.560 I don't wanna be your friend
00:51:00.740 I don't wanna be your friend
00:51:04.820 There's no going back and you're not really helping
00:51:11.800 Now you see my party and it's overwhelming
00:51:19.720 Yeah
00:51:20.720 I wanna be your friend
00:51:24.860 I wanna be your friend
00:51:29.060 Can you forget everything?
00:51:33.980 Can you forget everything?
00:51:37.980 Can you forget everything?
00:51:45.980 Somehow
00:51:47.980 Kissed you on the shoulder in an overcrowded pocket
00:52:01.240 Was it really me you want or did I fit the part?
00:52:09.900 I don't wanna be your friend
00:52:13.320 I don't wanna be your friend
00:52:43.300 You forget everything
00:52:51.300 I saw it written on your face
00:52:59.300 You wanted love I pulled away
00:53:07.300 Can I come over to your place?
00:53:14.300 Don't wanna leave but I can stay
00:53:22.300 Can you forget everything?
00:53:30.300 Can you forget everything?
00:53:37.300 Can you forget everything?
00:53:46.300 Can you forget everything?
00:53:56.300 And we're back with John Mraz and John tells me my audio is not great. Does it sound okay now, John?
00:54:03.300 Well, you jumped off on great. It was sort of almost like a hip hop response.
00:54:10.300 Hip hop. Okay.
00:54:12.300 All right. I'm not sure where to go with that, but I guess where I'll go first is to the ICC.
00:54:21.300 The ICC, a body that Canada, at least the Trudeau government likes to say they helped create, has issued arrest warrants for Benjamin Netanyahu and Yaukulant, the former defense minister in Israel, for war crimes.
00:54:39.300 We don't know what the details are, because they have kept them secret, the ICC has.
00:54:45.300 Notwithstanding that, when asked about all of that at his fake Christmas tree press conference this week in the GTA, Justin Trudeau said, without blinking, yeah, we would arrest Benjamin Netanyahu if he came to Canada.
00:55:04.300 Tell us about international law, and is this a good thing for Justin Trudeau to say?
00:55:15.300 I mean, in my view, it's not a good thing for him.
00:55:20.300 I sort of want to try to be funny here, but there's nothing funny about this on any level.
00:55:25.300 First of all, the ICC should rename themselves the Star Chamber.
00:55:28.300 You're going to indict people, you're going to say, arrest him in any country that participates in that court in the world, but we're not going to show you the evidence or present the accusers thereto and justify those warrants.
00:55:41.300 Second of all, it's a meaningless court at this point, and they've had arrest warrants out for Vladimir Putin for, what, a couple of years now, since the beginning of the Ukraine war.
00:55:49.300 He sort of flies anywhere he used to anyway.
00:55:52.300 I mean, yes, he doesn't visit the United States or Western Europe, but he really wasn't doing that for a decade anyway.
00:55:58.300 Nobody wanted to see him.
00:55:59.300 So I'm not sure it matters in a material way, internationally, whether those warrants exist or not.
00:56:04.300 I don't think Bibi Netanyahu has probably lost a minute's sleep over it.
00:56:08.300 It just proves to him that the international bodies, whether it be the ICC or the UN with their fabulous wing, the UNWRA, who just seem more and more like a proxy militia for Iran, are anti-Semitic.
00:56:24.300 Do not think that Israel has the right to exist and are irrelevant because Israel will continue apace with the full support and non-arrestable indictments of the ICC of the United States.
00:56:38.300 So I'm not sure it matters.
00:56:40.300 For Justin Trudeau to have said that means only one thing.
00:56:43.300 He needs the Muslim vote to hold some furniture for his party, not my party anymore.
00:56:48.300 And he knows when he says that, that pleases much of the Muslim population, like it or not, in this country and probably people outside the Muslim population.
00:56:58.300 But I don't think very many of them.
00:57:00.300 I think it's embarrassment.
00:57:01.300 And I also think it puts another huge chasm between us, the United States and Western Europe when it comes to NATO and to our military and political alliances.
00:57:11.300 So, no, it's outrageous.
00:57:13.300 Hold on.
00:57:14.300 You covered a lot of stuff there.
00:57:15.300 So stop.
00:57:16.300 Yeah.
00:57:17.300 And it's not my party anymore either.
00:57:19.300 But for all the reasons that you outlined about the warrants and just how, you know, it's just terrible foreign policy.
00:57:28.300 It's terrible public policy.
00:57:30.300 Then why would Trudeau do this?
00:57:32.300 Like, is it really just something as crass as the Muslim vote?
00:57:35.300 Because most of the Muslim leadership that I've seen have said to Trudeau, don't even bother campaigning.
00:57:42.300 Don't come to our mosque during the next election campaign because we think you're too pro-Israel.
00:57:47.300 Like, if it's a strategy, it's a bad strategy, isn't it?
00:57:51.300 Okay, let's accept your premise.
00:57:54.300 Let's say your argument's right and it's useless and he can't get those votes back, although I still think that's his principal motive.
00:58:01.300 There is another possibility, even more horrific, which is that Justin Trudeau thinks that the leadership in Israel are war criminals and that Israel shouldn't exist.
00:58:12.300 I am waiting for him on the heels of this to make an announcement this week.
00:58:17.300 And he could go a little or he could go a lot on this where he says something akin to we are no longer going to supply Israel any weapons, any infrastructure, any financial or humanitarian aid.
00:58:27.300 And even further, anybody who's doing so, I think of Scotiabank who have investments and other major banks who have investments in military development and production firms in Israel, we're going to sanction you.
00:58:40.300 We no longer can do business the way we tell the same thing to people when it comes to Russia, because that would be the logical extension of his I'm willing to arrest BB Netanyahu.
00:58:49.300 So he has taken a position and it's anti-Israel and it's shameful.
00:58:54.300 I agree.
00:58:55.300 I agree.
00:58:56.300 But isn't it a fact, John, that we actually purchase more military hardware from Israel than they purchase from us?
00:59:05.300 Isn't the trade more in the opposite direction?
00:59:08.300 Yes, that's true.
00:59:10.300 And it's still an insignificant amount.
00:59:12.300 Israel wouldn't notice us if we disappeared as a customer.
00:59:15.300 Yeah, no, for sure.
00:59:17.300 Anyway, it was just, it really felt to me, and I've got a column about this in post media, you know, it's just a shameful moment.
00:59:24.300 I am no fan of Benjamin Netanyahu.
00:59:26.300 I don't think you are either.
00:59:28.300 No.
00:59:29.300 But this is not sensible and it's not the way you treat an ally, you know, for responding to a terrorist attack.
00:59:36.300 Like, you know, does Trudeau propose to arrest my former boss, Christian, for participating in the war against Al Qaeda, you know, following 9-11?
00:59:48.300 Like, you know, was that, it's just the absurdity of it is really very hard to get your head around.
00:59:54.300 But one thing I did want to ask you about is the Trump administration incoming, and you know, you've gone to pains to be fair to them.
01:00:04.300 However, there was Lindsey Graham prancing around on Fox News this week, saying that the American, the incoming Trump administration would crush, it's the word he used, the Canadian economy, if we dared to enforce those arrest warrants.
01:00:24.200 Like, saying stuff like that, doesn't that actually accrue to Justin Trudeau's benefit?
01:00:30.220 I don't think so.
01:00:31.520 I'd like to think Canadians are smarter than that.
01:00:33.780 I started, I did a little experiment, public polling experiment this week, where I wandered around.
01:00:39.740 Anybody I ran into, whether I knew them or not, I said, what do you think of current Canadian politics to see what they talked about?
01:00:45.380 Conservative, Liberal, NDP, every one of them has a single answer.
01:00:49.240 Not about policy, not about money, only about two things.
01:00:53.460 I can't afford, I suppose about money, I can't afford to live, and Trudeau's got to go.
01:00:58.680 They don't want to get into the detail.
01:01:00.260 So, Lindsey Graham, interestingly, is, I would not describe as a hardcore Trumpian.
01:01:06.140 He has, he's had the chutzpah to take a few shots at Trump, to critique some of his policies and his picks.
01:01:14.360 So, he's the soft side.
01:01:16.140 I can't believe I said that.
01:01:17.200 Lindsey Graham is the soft side of the Republican Party now.
01:01:20.220 At one point, he seemed like, you know, the radical right.
01:01:23.580 Now, he seems like a reasonable guy.
01:01:25.800 Anyway, I sort of think that if Trudeau is still there when Trump takes office, they're going to start to crush the Canadian economy anyway.
01:01:34.040 And I think you can double down on that because Elon Musk, who seems like, you know, the hand, to use the Game of Thrones expression, the hand of the King Trump, has already told the American public, you guys are going to suffer for two years.
01:01:49.500 We're going to do a reset on this economy, and it's going to be miserable.
01:01:52.560 And if the United States economy is suffering, it'll be twice as bad here.
01:01:55.900 I'm not sure they'll even have to try to crush our economy.
01:01:58.680 But one thing's for sure, they don't want to do business with Trudeau.
01:02:02.340 And remember, Trump did say that if Trudeau came down there, he might arrest him.
01:02:06.640 Well, let's talk about the hand, as you accurately described Elon Musk.
01:02:14.820 I think there's a great way of describing him and the other triumvirate, you know, foreign policy experts that Trump relies upon, Joe Rogan and Elon Musk and who else is in there?
01:02:26.960 I guess his coke-addicted son, all of them have taken swipes at Vladimir Zelensky in the past few days, this week.
01:02:38.240 All of them have clearly signaled that the United States support for Ukraine, militarily and otherwise, is coming to an end.
01:02:47.280 What does this mean?
01:02:48.420 You know, I saw a poll this week, and I really wanted to ask you about it.
01:02:51.800 I'm glad I got you on the blower.
01:02:53.700 However, in Ukraine, there is a poll indicating that the Ukrainian people are fed up with the war and are prepared to consider losing parts of their nation to Russia.
01:03:07.580 Is that true?
01:03:09.100 Like, has that actually happened?
01:03:12.500 I don't know.
01:03:13.080 I don't know.
01:03:13.620 And when I worked in Ukraine years ago for the Globe and Mail, I wrote a piece called In the Shadowland of Lies.
01:03:18.600 I think I wrote that in November of 2004.
01:03:20.480 So, what, that's 20 years ago?
01:03:22.280 And one of the big points in the piece in the post was that simply, when you were working there, even if the facts were in front of you, you could never tell what the truth is.
01:03:32.000 They manufacture polls like we manufacture auto parts in Brampton and Peel region.
01:03:39.040 So, I never knew what the truth was.
01:03:42.860 I sat through focus groups that we, you know, as democratizers there in 2004 would create and watch 400 people be interviewed.
01:03:50.900 And I still didn't know what the truth was because a lot of them had been paid by somebody to lie in one direction or the other.
01:03:56.780 I spoke with our friend Stefano Bandera, who's been, I believe, even on this show at one point yesterday and asked him what the truth was.
01:04:05.000 He, as a Western Ukrainian, is still ferocious in his support for Zelensky.
01:04:09.000 And he's very well plugged in, knows people across, you know, the polit bureaus of Ukraine and the economic, I speak, mavericks and supporters in Ukraine.
01:04:18.800 They all want all that territory back.
01:04:21.120 They all want all of Crimea back and they want the Russians out of their country.
01:04:25.320 But that doesn't mean that the Ukrainian population, maybe in the east or in the south, aren't just sick of being blown up, being poor, living in terror and losing their children.
01:04:35.040 Ukraine's having a really tough time recruiting young men and women to keep this fight going.
01:04:40.620 I would have got a conscription crisis.
01:04:42.660 They've got a conscription crisis underway.
01:04:45.200 So does Putin, by the way.
01:04:46.760 I don't know if you saw this this week.
01:04:48.000 Well, then let me stop you there.
01:04:50.460 The one thing I wanted to ask you about, and we can finish in this way.
01:04:56.520 Excellent thread on X this morning, of all places, indicating that the Russian economy is getting ready to collapse in 2025 and that Putin can no longer afford to prosecute this war in the way that he has.
01:05:10.980 Is that true?
01:05:11.780 Do you remember at the beginning of the war when we said we'd crush the Russian economy and they'd be broken a year?
01:05:18.100 And what ended up happening was the price of oil internationally doubled and they started making more money than they had before.
01:05:24.320 And they just seem to keep on chugging along.
01:05:26.400 Their military production capacity has gone up four to eight hundred percent, depending on who you believe.
01:05:31.680 And they still seem to be fielding men and women and all of the components necessary, even going so far as to doing deals with North Korea and Iran for your hardware or human, you know, human intelligence and human beings.
01:05:44.340 Now, with North Korean soldiers.
01:05:46.180 So it's easy to say he'll be broke.
01:05:47.960 We've been saying that now for 20 years, by the way, and more so.
01:05:52.260 So I got no fucking idea whether he's going to be broke.
01:05:55.320 I do know he did something it's clever, but of course, horrific this week where he said, if you join.
01:06:01.740 So he's created this false economy.
01:06:04.040 Everybody's in debt.
01:06:05.620 Inflation is is off the charts.
01:06:08.040 It's impossible to afford anything in Russia.
01:06:11.220 And as I say, I was thinking I just went to Loblaws yesterday.
01:06:14.040 It's impossible to afford anything here.
01:06:16.180 And and so he said anybody who joins up to 100000 rubles of your debt, visa cards, whatever debt you have, we'll wipe it out.
01:06:25.540 That's clever.
01:06:26.300 But it also tells me his people cannot afford to live and they're in debt.
01:06:32.940 And he's run out of people to conscribe or conscript.
01:06:36.500 What is the right word?
01:06:37.160 Conscribe.
01:06:38.580 Conscribe.
01:06:39.200 Well, maybe they can send Justin over there and Justin can take the tax off of artificial Christmas trees as he's now done here, which will will fix everything, I think.
01:06:47.560 Really.
01:06:48.560 John Mraz, thank you as always.
01:06:50.820 There's a lot of moving targets this week, but you've zeroed in on all of them and we're grateful for your insight.
01:06:57.960 And you're you're honey.
01:06:59.840 We're both having problems pronouncing precipacity, you know, the word about being a capacity.
01:07:08.840 Yeah, I think that's it.
01:07:09.940 Anyway, you're really good at predicting the future.
01:07:12.140 So thank you for that.
01:07:13.460 So, Mraz, thank you, sir.
01:07:14.640 Bye.
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