KINSELLACAST 338： This kid speaks for all of us - with Mraz, Lilley, Mulroney plus Rivivr, Tender Defender, Royal Otis and Brendan Kelly
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Every politician, every successful one anyway, has a turn. They make changes to their staff, they revised their strategy, and then they went on to win massive and successive wins. Executing a turn in politics is easier said than done. It requires a willingness to take a hard look at yourself and do what the Russians call semakritika, self-criticism. It ain t easy.
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It's the KinsellaCast starring Warren Kinsella.
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I'm recording stuff in a different way this week.
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In the past, I've had to use Zoom and all these different platforms.
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So on this loving podcast, I've got Brian Lilly before he heads off to the States.
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Then I'm on with Ben Mulroney on his show with someone else.
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I didn't like a couple of the things that she said, so I responded in typically Warren fashion.
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I've got Reviver from Olympia, Washington State.
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You know, kind of the old stomping grounds of Rancid with their tune Rain Down.
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And now they've got more of a feminist orientation.
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Also formerly of Ladderman is Tender Defender, who are in New York State on the other side of the continent with Ruths and Cheeps.
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Then we've got Royal Otis, who's a duo from Sydney, Australia, who are great.
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And they've got this little punky, poppy tune called Oysters In My Pocket, which probably means something really sexual in Australia, but I don't know what it is.
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And then Brendan Kelly, who plays bass for the Lawrence Arms and hangs out with the guys in Smoke or Fire, was one of my favorite bands, his tune Doing Crimes.
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Don't know if I'll get in CFRA because I've got to nail this down early.
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Every politician, every successful one, anyway, has a turn.
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For Jean Chrétien and Brian Mulroney, it was coming up short in their 84 and 1976 leadership races, respectively.
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For Dalton McGinty and Doug Ford, it was losing their campaigns to be the Ontario Premier or the Toronto Mayor in 1999 or 2014.
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But after those losses, all of those leaders made a turn.
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And then they went on to win massive and successive wins.
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Executing a turn in politics is easier said than done.
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Requires a willingness to take a hard look at yourself and do what the Russians call semakritika, self-criticism.
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And it accounts for most of the considerable success he now enjoys, I think.
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He's gotten rid of the bumper sticker populist bullshit for which he was once known.
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The anti-vax, pro-convoy, you know, volume turned up to 11 all the time.
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And this different kind of politician has emerged and there's been a turn.
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At one point, I thought he was awful, like a pestilence.
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I wrote a column in The Sun excoriating him years ago, calling him a joke and other stuff.
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And like other members of Chrétien's circle, I was livid about how Polyev had treated Chrétien's former chief of staff, Jean Pelletier.
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And he was a shadow of his former self when he was hauled before a parliamentary committee in 2007, I think.
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And despite his obvious illness, Polyev mocked Pelletier and accused him of being a liar.
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Quote, did you lie in front of the committee the last time you appeared?
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Polyev said to Pelletier, who was really gaunt and thin.
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Pelletier himself was stoic about how Polyev treated him.
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Like as he left the committee hearing room, he said to the media,
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I'm 72 years old, I'm fighting cancer, so it was a good day.
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But those of us Chrétien's loyalists were not as willing to forgive.
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Anyway, Polyev continued like that for some time.
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Voting against gay marriage, voting against abortion, voting with the hardcore conservative fringe.
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He was always as angry, always against everything.
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And after he became conservative leader in 2022, the turn started to reveal itself.
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He reversed his position on abortion and equal marriage.
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He gravitated away from the extremes of the conservative movement.
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He beefed up a little bit, started to smile more.
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And he started to sound like a prime minister, I felt.
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Canada has become one of the worst places in the world for anti-Semitism.
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Synagogues and Jewish schools have been firebombed or shot up.
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Jews have been targeted in the streets and in their homes.
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And for his part, Justin Trudeau has tried to please both sides and ended up pleasing nobody.
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And his ministers, too, have sounded completely indifferent to the atrocities of Hamas and its cabal.
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Like, the conservative leaders condemned the anti-Semitism and the hate without qualification.
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His voice alone among the federal leaders has become one of moral clarity.
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You know, there are many, many more Muslim than Jewish voters in Canada, folks.
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And this week, too, when President-elect Trump made his idiotic promise to slap a 25% tariff on everything Canada exports in the United States,
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Polyev did not do what some other conservatives have done.
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He didn't attack his own country and say that Trump was justified.
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He said if he was prime minister, he'd fight with fire.
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Unlike too many conservative partisans, Polyev did not cravenly seek to justify Trump's threat.
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Like, that's what we expect of our prime ministers.
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To always put the country and its people first.
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Pierre Polyev has evolved into a different sort of politician.
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He's a bit more mature, more moderate, more measured.
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I just, I just, I just, I was so wrong last week about Russia.
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I did not believe they'd go bankrupt in three days.
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Well, you, but you know more about Russia than most people I know.
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So what I missed was on Monday, maybe late Sunday, Mr. Biden, the president of the United States,
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you'd never know it because everybody's at Mar-a-Lago, but the president of the United States, Mr. Biden,
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And it's sort of like Exxon having a bank or BP or one of the big oil companies.
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And it is the bank that transfers hard non-Russian currency around the world and supports the ruble artificially.
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And the international community shut that down on Monday.
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And within two days, the ruble was trading at less than it was worth on the paper it's printed.
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So what does this mean for Putin, who you and I really, really don't like?
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Well, let's remember the last time that the ruble collapsed was in 98.
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So you've had, you know, you've had Sroika, you've had Glasnost, Yeltsin, Gorbachev.
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The ruble collapses in 98, and Putin uses that as a runway to take power.
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It takes over a collapsed economy, goes back to sort of a Soviet Union, like discipline, normal, as they say in Russian, like a normalcy of authoritarian capitalist intent.
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So let's assume that we're in the same position now.
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Russia, who could have been supported by BRICS, the theoretically alternate currency group of India and Brazil and South Africa and China, and none of them are backing him.
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Because they're all worried about Trump, who certainly seems to be behaving like he's actually the president of the United States.
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So Putin has no international financial backing, and within the same week, Russian forces protecting Syria.
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So it looks like he's got an economic collapse underway.
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And in fairness to you, this all started to happen after you and I spoke last weekend.
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You and I had talked this week, and I pointed out to you some reports that he's losing his ability to finance the war.
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Like, does this mean that his ability to prosecute his invasion of Ukraine is in jeopardy?
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I don't know is the honest answer, and I'm not sure I've seen anybody say they know.
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I know that as a result of that collapse, pressure from the United States, Zelensky, in charge of Ukraine, all of a sudden has come to the table and said,
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I will come to the table, arm assist, or maybe a ceasefire at the end of the war.
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I'm prepared to give up all the territory we've lost.
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As long as NATO comes in here, he is daring us to enter the war because he's lost.
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And that seems counterintuitive because Russia just collapsed financially.
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And yet, then Trump, and this is important, it's a short point, Trump picks General Kellogg, a guy who has a 10-year record of saying Ukraine will not give up a single centimeter of its territory, its sovereignty, it can do whatever it wants.
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It's impossible to read what's going on right now.
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And I was happy about that, and I told you I was happy.
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I mean, you know, Trump does head fakes on people all the time.
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God knows the tariff thing might be that, but it looked like a positive dilemma.
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Tell us what is happening, because typically those of us in the West receive very little good reporting about what takes place in the Arab world.
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It looks to me like Syria, with its benefactors in Iran and Russia, is in deep trouble.
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The butcher of Baghdad is hiding in a hotel in Moscow, along with all of his family and his extended family.
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And, you know, he's hastened to Moscow when Putin wasn't even there.
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Putin was on the road, so that says to me they didn't see this coming.
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Like, is Syria's dictatorship in a state of collapse, and what does that mean for Putin?
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The Syrian opposition, the rebels who are coming in from the north with the support of Turkey, ostensibly a member of NATO,
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and it just gets so complicated so quickly, are rolling in like thunder from the north.
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This is not a secular revolution to the benefit of the people.
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These are hardline Sunnis who are already on the record saying,
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you will all convert to Islam, it will be Sunni Islam, even the Druze, or it will slaughter you.
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Those are the liberators of Syria right now.
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I mean, it creates—I mean, there's a benefit to Israel insofar as they're fighting amongst themselves.
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But Turkey is now trying to supplant Saudi Arabia as the center of the Islamic world.
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And at the same time, be a member of NATO, and at the same time, do business with Putin.
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And host Hamas, because all of the leadership of Hamas were finally kicked out of Qatar, and now they're in Turkey.
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Like, it is—it's hard to follow without a program, but it—what you say explains the tweet I saw of one analyst I follow,
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and he was describing what's happening in Syria, and he said,
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the best thing that can happen is that they all slaughter each other, all sides.
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I guess that's—that's—that's what you're saying, right?
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It was sort of like back in my day in downtown Toronto.
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If you see skinheads and rednecks fighting each other, don't stop them.
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Well, there was no fighting at Mar-a-Lago last night.
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Those of us at The Sun, we've got an excellent reporter, Brian Passifium, who I went to Israel with in May.
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And Brian is one of those guys who can track the prime ministerial plane.
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He tracks the challenger on his app, and he let us know last night.
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It's like, well, he's supposed to be heading to A and B, and he's now heading south.
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And we're all like, looks like he's heading to Florida.
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So off he went to Florida with Katie Telford, who you know, and Brian Clow, who you know.
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And there was a picture of all of them smiling around a big table, Trump and his acolytes, and Trudeau and his, at Mar-a-Lago.
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Is this a good thing, or is it kind of pathetic, kissing the ring of the emperor?
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So first of all, it looked like the most boring, like they all looked like they wanted to kill themselves for the war.
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The only person who looked really happy was Don the Don.
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The exegesis the Trudeau people offered was, we went down to explain to them that while prices will go up for us, they will also go up for you.
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It also gives ample reason for Donald Trump to just take Canada and just take it over, what's stopping him.
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What would really stop them from making us a bunch of new states?
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You have less than the population of California.
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And maybe you're second or third in the world for natural resources.
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Any of you from Timmins or Airdrie or Prittis or Red Deer, they're all fine towns.
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Don't send threatening notes to John and I about, you know, how we remain to those places.
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You and I have both spoken before when it looked like Putin was on the ropes and there was like a rebel force marching towards Moscow.
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So I'm going to resist the temptation to say he's a goner again because he seems to have nine lives.
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Who replaces him and gets to control 6,500 nuclear warheads?
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I've got to tell you, the list of candidates makes Vladimir Putin look like a compassionate, secular humanist with a great vision for humanity.
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Well, on that comforting note, anyway, John, thank you.
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International affairs is a big, big deal this week.
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And we're very grateful that we've got you to analyze it for us.
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And hopefully the world is still here next weekend.
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And we're with Brian Lilly and I'm very excited.
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Apple, in its ongoing quest to take business away from everybody else, has introduced this feature on its iPhone, its iOS, latest iOS.
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And it just gave a notification to Brian that it's recording.
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But for guys like us in the business we're in, this is awesome.
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Look, I still like some of the apps when I'm doing a full 40-minute to an hour-long podcast.
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So not so great this week on the federal front.
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You've got Justin introducing his GST tax holiday.
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And you've got no less than David Dodge condemning it.
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You've got the premier saying that Trudeau's got no plan to deal with the Trump tariffs.
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All the liberal Trudeau folks are going to be talking all weekend about what a bad week Pierre Pauly has had.
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And just wait for the next poll, which is what they do.
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And every time, you know, it spreads once in a while among the Truanons, the most believing of all the cults, that Pauly has just had a horrible week.
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And every time they do that, he goes up or the liberals go down.
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But the whole GST thing, poorly, poorly thought out, back of a napkin thing.
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It should have been across the board or it should have been permanent.
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You know, a select group of things like pudding and chips.
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For people that haven't gone and looked at the actual background or that goes with the news release, meaning...
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Anyone that has a life and isn't paid to look at these things, they got the list.
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And so retailers are talking about how nasty this is because they've got to go in and recode their programs that, you know, because everyone is...
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You know, who's sitting there with an old school ching-ching, ching-ching cash register?
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So you've got to reprogram it for two months at the busiest time of year.
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Then you have to reprogram again in two months on February 14th when this ends.
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And then on April 1st, as we talked about before, the carbon tax goes up.
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So the $50 case of beer that would have normally cost you $56 because the HST was on it here in Ontario.
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And then on April 1st, it's going up to like $57.50, which is just going to really piss you off.
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And the reason I say that's really going to piss people off and why that's bad, you're doing that before you go to a vote.
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Like, it's not like the tax holiday extends over a period.
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Well, what about his strategy of just basically saying nothing on the Trump tariffs and presumably hope that nobody notices what's happening?
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Like, it looks like the premiers are pretty mad at the prime minister for not having a plan.
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So I talked to people from several provincial governments who were on the call.
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And they described Trudeau as arrogant in the way he was talking to the premiers.
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Not everyone did, but to use the arrogant term, but one did.
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She's going to use drones on the border with Montana.
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I'm sure you've crossed that border between Alberta and Montana before.
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Even before the meeting, they announced we're sending the SQ down because he's worried about another Rocksham Road because of Trump's deportation thing.
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And Doug Ford called a meeting with U.S. law enforcement that are based in Toronto to say, hey, what are you guys looking for?
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And I think Trudeau was hoping to be able to use Trump's threat of 25% tariffs as some kind of political wedge to try and figure out, okay, can I get votes out of this?
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But I think most Canadians see this for what it is.
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He's using this threat to try and get a result on immigration, which is an issue that Canadians are really angry about right now, an issue that we never used to talk about is now a domestic issue.
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And so my view of the Trump tariff threat is that he doesn't want to put tariffs on.
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And 82% increase in illegal immigrants going across the border from Canada to the U.S., still smaller than Mexico, but we've gone from 1% to 9% of the problem.
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We are 87% of the people that get caught going across the border on terror watch lists.
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And Ross McKittrick, who's a professor at the University of Guelph, he posted the other day and replied to me.
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He said, we've got to figure out what's going on with fentanyl because we all think it's a Mexican problem.
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He was down at an event at the Wilson Center in Washington, and he said to a former, someone he's known a long time, the State Department, the current State Department,
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Is it primarily a Mexican problem or a China problem?
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So that's the Biden administration saying that.
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So what's going on in Washington that this is what they think?
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Personally, you know, because I did what you did.
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43 pounds of fentanyl were seized coming across the border from Canada and the United States last year.
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So, you know, the majority of the problem is India and China and Mexico.
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But the guy who I thought deserved a lot of credit this week, and I'm writing about it in the paper this weekend, is Pierre Pagliot.
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If I'm prime minister and if I have to, I'm going to retaliate.
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And it was like, hey, Justin, why can't you do that?
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Because Pierre just sounded like a prime minister just right there.
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The thing that we need to be doing is saying, okay, do they have reasonable demands or legitimate concerns?
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And, by the way, fixing that also helps fix our own problem.
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We've got 43,000 Indian nationals arriving in Canada on student and temporary work visas and then going across to the U.S. and declaring asylum.
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I think the U.S. wants us to clean up our visa system and who we're letting into the country so that we're not a backdoor gateway into the U.S.
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You just take a look at what's happening in the streets of Montreal or Toronto on a regular basis.
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So, look, we should spend time on fixing the problem and then we don't have to even think about retaliatory tariffs.
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And I heard some of the Trudeau cabinet ministers like Freeland talk about, well, I mean, what we have to do is explain to them how much we trade with them.
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And I thought, that's like when your wife is angry at you for leaving your socks on the couch.
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And she said, look, stop leaving your socks on the couch.
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And you say, honey, haven't you seen how clean the garage is?
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Real GDP per person, per capita, just came out on Friday.
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And it's down again for the sixth quarter in a row.
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The gap between us and the U.S. is becoming huge.
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And for anybody who doesn't know what Brian and I are talking about,
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Deputy Prime Minister of Canada, the Minister of Finance,
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said, what we've got right now is, quote, unquote, a vibe session.
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Well, she's trying to say that the economy is great.
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You're sounding like Kamala Harris on the economy.
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She tried the same thing, telling people the economy is great.
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As I've said before, you know, don't point to an OECD study.
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Man, if I was running a campaign, I would steal that line.
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He had one appointment this week that I applauded to his cabinet or his circle of advisors.
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This guy who has been very critical of Russia and very positive about Ukraine.
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And I was very surprised by that, given what Musk and his son have been tweeting.
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This guy sounded like somebody would be right at home in a Biden administration on Ukraine.
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I was just pressed on another podcast by a young guy asking me, like, why are we spending so much, you know, sending money to Ukraine?
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Because it's cheaper to do that than to send troops to fight a war.
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And Vladimir Putin is going to, you know, if we don't stop him in Ukraine, just keep expanding.
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I've never been of the view that Trump was going to abandon Ukraine.
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I just figured he'd go there and push for a deal.
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Now, the kind of deal I want and the kind of deal he can get may be different.
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We let Putin take that in 2014 and nobody did a thing.
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I was at the Churchill Society Gala this past week because I'm a mucky muck, you know.
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And I got invited by a friend who worked for a good company with the table.
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And Stephen Harper is getting an award and he's doing a fireside chat.
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He said, we need to unconditionally support the survival of Ukraine and Israel.
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And I do not see a single leader on the world stage who is defending and supporting both of them right now.
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So, to me, those are the three outposts of democracy.
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So, as soon as democracy, as soon as the West lets one of those go on the front edge of this war against, you know, dictators and autocrats, Israel, Ukraine, and Taiwan, we're in big, big trouble.
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So, can you tell us where you're going and will we be able to speak to you again?
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You know you're of a certain vintage, if that's your reference point.
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And we're all taking her out and celebrating the fact that she's still here.
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And going around the Caribbean, which I've never done.
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Well, hopefully you get to spend a couple days in Jamaica, one of my favorite places.
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If you have time to phone and you just want to do a quickie chat, we can do that.
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All I have to do is to press a button on my iPhone now.
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this is the ben mulrooney show welcome back to the ben mulrooney show we are broadcasting
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on the chorus radio network it's a pleasure to spend some time with you on this friday
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and we're doing something uh new well we're doing a lot of new things because it's a new show but
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starting today we are launching our this week in politics panel with people who are far more
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steeped in the world of politics than i let's welcome to the show warren kinsella former special
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advisor to jean chretien and ceo of the daisy group welcome warren thanks so much for being here
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thanks my friend and we've got maddie de muccio political commentator and syndicated columnist
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for troy media maddie a pleasure very much a pleasure as well thank you all right so no surprise
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to either of you or to any of our listeners that the biggest story today has been the biggest story
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this week and it will continue to resonate as one of the biggest stories in the country until it
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comes to its resolution and that is donald trump telling justin trudeau to fix the border or get
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hit with 25 percent tariffs across the board on every single thing that leaves canada and goes to
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the united states uh warren we've uh we've heard uh from uh so many of our provincial leaders um but
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there's a a new there's some new audio from tom mulcair the former leader of the ndp who says
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that danielle smith and francois legault uh they they look ready to fix this thing while trudeau
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seems to have disappeared since the first minister's conference that doug ford convened let's listen
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i heard of danielle smith who was in solution mode i heard of francois legault who was saying
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we need a plan and we're willing to help so legault was there smith was there they're looking at the
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situation with the americans they know how much their economies can be earned and they want
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to play his part so far uh his part in his view has been to have a meeting and then disappear
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yeah warren it seems like we have a plan to have a plan seems like we should have had a plan before
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this this election um and it seems like the only people are actually really doing anything that
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where the rubber is meeting the road is at the provincial level yeah i would agree with that um
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you know doug ford i think identified this was a problem before it even hit because he was talking
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about doing a deal directly with with the united states and excluding mexico which has made mexico
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very unhappy as you might reasonably expect so yeah the premiers uh some premiers have been constructive
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on this but ones like smith and legault i think are being dishonest or misinformed you know if you look
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look at the two you look at the two reasons the pretext that trump has given for this threat to slap
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25 duty on all underline all products coming into the united states from canada and that's going to be
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that's a quarter of our workforce that's potentially at risk billions and dollars of trade every single day
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but trump is lying in my opinion about his stated reasons for doing this he says we're sending in
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fentanyl to the united states from canada like in all of last year 43 pounds of it yeah were seized
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at the border you know coming in from canada yeah i want to bring i want to bring maddie in because
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maddie just want to and then in terms of the illegal immigrants thing like 1.5 million come in from
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mexico and 24 000 from canada so the reasons trump is given is are not accurate well let's assume for
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a second that that um that warren is completely accurate on this and he's dead like he's hit the
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bullseye does it even matter maddie like if this is what the guy wants and we know what the implications
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would be on our economy if that tariff comes into effect why don't we what is why isn't our plan to
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just do exactly what he wants because the cost of not doing it would be disastrous
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i i completely agree uh you know let's let's do what what what let's just tell trump will do it but
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let's be clear canada does have a border issue with the u.s but it isn't what's heading south but
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it's it isn't what's heading south our problem is what will be crossing into canada from the u.s once
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trump begins his deportations of undocumented immigrants in the u.s and trump's border star is
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telling u.s media that 1.5 non-citizen 1.5 million non-citizens have criminal convictions and that's
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where he's planning to start with his deportations now what percentage of them are going to head to
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toronto vancouver you know and elsewhere are we are we ready for this wave of alleged gangs and drugs
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coming north i mean look trudeau has a big set of problems to look forward to with little if no
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competency to to handle them we need to respond not because of trump's threat threat but because
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we don't want to be the next chicago intercity crime wave now here's my idea let's tell trump
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we will do that but just like trump telling mexico to pay for his border wall the u.s should fund our
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extra security slap on those massive royalties on canadian oil electricity potash others all the
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things that u.s buys at large volumes and cannot source elsewhere easily and tell trump admin that this
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money is required to fund border security so the u.s is expecting canada to respond with tariff to
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their 25 percent um across the board tariff and we don't have to if we just put up the border security
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royalties on u.s bound electricity oil potash whatever that's i mean that's we need ideas and
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trudeau is out of them right now he's just pearl clutching well let's uh one person who agrees with
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you maddie on the fact that uh on the belief that uh justin trudeau is done is kevin o'leary and
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because he uh has a platform on both sides of the country uh both sides of the border uh he's uh he's
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called upon to sort of explain canadian politics uh to american audiences often here let's listen to
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what he thinks about uh the person who could replace justin trudeau trudeau is a really unpopular
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leader and in the parliamentary system he'll be getting whacked soon it's the end game in the
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parliamentary system is so brutal look what happened in england just recently it's about to happen to
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him so that trump will not be negotiating with trudeau he'll be dealing with a guy named pierre
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paul of a majority mandate i think trump should invite him down to mar-a-lago now i don't know
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what the protocol and all that is but he'll be dealing with pierre he might as well who's much
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more ideologically aligned with trump well here's what paul of he has already said i'm going to lift
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the ban on pipelines i'm going to kill the carbon tax to be competitive with texas
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and i'm going to open all kinds of investment in canada that's trump's kind of guy so i would
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you know i know he talked to trudeau last night but trudeau is checking out a dodge so i think rule
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number one warren if you're going to be uh explaining canadian politics to americans you should get the
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guy's name right but that's neither here nor there i think the most the most i don't disagree with
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anything he says but let's listen to pierre uh polivier who uh who was asked about whether or not
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uh he has he would go down to meet trump at mar-a-lago if invited would you be willing to
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go to mar-a-lago before the next election to discuss these issues with donald trump i have not
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been invited to that so thank you very much yeah warren it seems like like um uh pierre has to thread
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a very tight needle here where he needs to project that he is donald trump's kind of guy to donald trump
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without being uh associated to donald trump because trump is in fact so polarizing to canadians
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i you know i think poliev had the proper response this week and people like erin motul and danielle
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smith and lago had the wrong response poliev went out and he said this is unjustified this is
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completely unjustified what trump is saying he's going to do the second thing he said was if he was
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prime minister and this came to pass he would slap retaliatory tariffs on the united states yeah and
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thirdly he said you know like that's what a prime minister is supposed to say yeah not capitulate at
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the first instance of a threat the one thing that you know i think everybody knows but periodically
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forgets is donald trump does not respond to sucking up people who suck up to him always end up
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being disappointed because he'll screw you over anyway well i'm glad you mentioned that because
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maddie maddie i i i think that he we all know he responds to strength he responds and and when when
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he when pierre poliev gotten from the microphone and said uh he's all about america first i'm about
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canada first that i think was his way of introducing himself to donald trump because you know that that
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was intended for donald trump to see absolutely and and i 100 agree with with warren i mean he
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trudeau is not trump's guy poliev is a master communicator uh you know in comparison anyone
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is better than trudeau but this isn't really a fight about relationships it's it's really i believe
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a precursor to july 1st 2026 when kuzma kuzma came under the joint review and i think trump is starting
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negotiations to establish his you know parameters for negotiations um you know we need a leader who who
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won't be weak and timid and and trudeau responded to trump's still tariffs with with tariffs on
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american maple syrup and licorice candies we won't be so nice this time uh we we got we we need a real
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leader and we don't have one so i i think probably ever is doing a good job at that maddie warren stick
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around because coming up who would have thought joe rogan would have been a huge talking point in
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politics we're going to discuss that next on the ben mulrooney show this is the ben mulrooney show
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tgip thank god it's politics it's our week in politics review with warren kinsella and maddie
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demuccio thank you guys both for joining us here on the ben mulrooney show and for sticking around
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let's jump in let's jump into a conversation that happened on cnn where the panelists were arguing
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about whether joe rogan changed his political views for money or or whether it was the democratic
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party that changed so much that it pushed him away liberals drove him away by calling him a racist
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unearthing jokes he made calling him a misogynist really with no evidence when you make racist
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jokes about people of color him a lot of people calling you racist is likely going to happen all
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the time i think what he ended up seeing was an american political spirit that shifted and he found
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ways he's a lot smarter than people give him credit for he found ways to walk into where those
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people were yes he was a proud you know ultra leftist and then he became a proud person on the
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right largely because he saw shifting towards the right and that's where his money and his audience
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could come from he shifted because more of his listeners shifted and that's where he drove it to
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uh warren you've worked on democratic campaigns in the past you know that that party very well
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what do you make of that um about that exchange and and and how it relates to the democrats need for an
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honest post-mortem after the defeat in the election we always need an honest post-mortem after a defeat
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in an election doesn't matter if you're the democrats or anybody else but you know the the democrats could
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not cozy up to joe rogan you know this is a guy who had to apologize on spotify for using the n-word
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repeatedly and they lost all kinds of advertising they lost artists like joni mitchell and neil young
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like he he's a bit of an idiot i know he commands a particular segment you know young men but they're
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not young men who tend to vote so you know he was all for trump for the taking and trump took full and
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frequent advantage of that but he's not really the democrats constituency so it's like you know for me
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it would be don't let the door hit you on your way out but maddie when i hear that i'm reminded of a
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number of conversations that i've watched on american television uh that telegraphs almost
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like a feels like an unwillingness to look in the mirror as to why they lost you know looking at joe
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rogan saying oh well he left for money as opposed to saying no but maybe the democratic party changed
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too much for him as well i mean two things can be true at once joe rogan can be an idiot and the
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party can have morphed into something that was unpalatable to too many people no absolutely and you know
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look the left lost uh joe rogan when they attacked him over covid rogan's audience you know are young
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men the least likely population to suffer badly from covid and they're also the biggest risk population
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for side effects related to the vaccine and when cnn and other media edited joe rogan's video image
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making him look like do you remember he made him look like he silver colored they created their own
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political demon and you know cnn msnbc new york times washington coast they all had a hand to play
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in this young men are you know like all human beings are going to vote for their own self-interest
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and the democrats didn't give them any reason to vote for harris harris made a conscious decision
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to target women leaving men receptive to trump's message yes one jump in yeah like i'm sorry but you
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can't broadcast what maddie just said that young men are most at risk for covid as we all know the
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people who are most at risk for covid are the elderly and people whose no no i didn't say most no no i said
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they are least at risk for covid and they're more at risk for the vaccine that's what i said more
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all right they're at risk for the vaccine well you know we had the state well that you know what that
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we had the state of florida that you know uh did not allow for vaccines to be given to young men
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they had the highest they had the highest up well anyways no there's no one maddie i'm not going to
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stay on the show if you're going to propagate false information about health i'm not i'm not we're not
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talking about the covid yes you are i'm telling you what young men the reason why young men were
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attracted to joe rogan's show and this is whether whether you whether it's a fact or fiction that's
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the reason they were attacked attracted to that show and that's what i'm trying to explain right
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now not my own opinion my own opinions on why young men went to joe rogan all right well warren you want
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the last word on this one i mean i think it's dangerous to spread misinformation disinformation
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about vaccines and covid we went through a number of years of that and we you know lots of people died
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or got very sick because of it so you know what maddie said those things she said are not true
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they're not true but but warren i'm not stating my own opinion i'm telling you i'm telling the audience
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why young men were attracted to joe rogan that was that was the dialogue at that time and that was
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what drove them to joe rogan okay well let's sort of pivot a little bit but stay in the world of
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podcasts because um you got to meet people where they are i think we can all agree on that
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and where people are these days uh at least in the united states during the elections was on some of
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these very big podcasts now um the the the can the the um the gop side did their own tour and the
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kamala harris side decided that they were going to do their own podcast tour as well team kamala got
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together on a podcast to discuss why it didn't work out as well for them as they had hoped if you're a
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candidate with a limited amount of time to get your voice out there and define yourself you kind of have
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to do everything um but did it um screw with our narrative uh not just in getting for not doing
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enough earned media but getting questions that we knew voters weren't going to care about um and you
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know their um myopic mindset on certain issues was not what the race was going to be about
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so at a certain point we had to decide is this helping us or hurting us yeah so warren i think
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what what they're referencing there is some of the podcasts that they went on i think there's one called
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call call her daddy um and i don't know insulting the podcasters after the fact for asking dumb
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questions as opposed to not having great answers prepared to dumb questions is is a bit rich to me
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yeah but i mean you know everybody's trying to figure out the podcast segment and political
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campaigns and it's it's like mainstream media you know some shows work for you and you know it's
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reinforcing an audience you've got a voter base you've got and some shows are a risk you know you're
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taking a bit of a risk i felt she should do joe rogan you know and to stick it to him but she didn't
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but she did tons of media and this notion she was hiding from the media was bogus you know it was
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trump who refused to have another debate with her and you know i think we all know why because he had
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a precipitous decline in support after that one debate he had with harris because she cleaned her
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clog but you know campaigns do this all the time you know which shows should we have done when should
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we have done them and so on but the media adam has broken you know it's in lots of different pieces
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and you got to figure out what shows you're going to go on so that's a legitimate thing for every
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political campaign to think about and maddie but even some of the stuff that uh in both campaigns
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had massive missteps but i one of the biggest for me that i saw was that that kamala harris on day one
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didn't have an answer prepared to the question what would you have done differently from joe biden and
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she was asked that on the friendliest of friendly uh interviews on the view and the fact that she didn't
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have a good answer locked and loaded was concerning for people yeah i mean we've got two situations
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going in here we've got a really terrible candidate and then we have a party despite having a billion
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dollars to spend has a terrible communication plan and just incompetent people running it and even now
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as you see the democrats licking their wounds it's it's very sad and pathetic to see that they're just not
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understanding what went wrong here um you know take some accountability please the last thing that
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that harris should complain about is is a a friendly media i mean she she she was given everything on
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a silver platter she's given every opportunity uh and she just it just was a complete massive fail
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yeah to me it's i mean listen if oprah can't move the needle for the democrats but joe rogan can move it
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for the the the the gop then warren what does that say to you yeah no because eating cats and dogs
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and cat was cat ladies that was a genius communication strategy is that what you guys are
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saying no no but i but no but when jd vance when jd when jd vance goes on theo vaughn's show
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let me finish it wasn't it was a bad it was a bad communication strategy and they got hurt by it
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and so at the end of the day it wasn't a massive failure donald trump has had one of the narrowest
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presidential victories in the history of the united states if about 100 000 votes in pennsylvania
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wisconsin miss con michigan had gone the other way she would have been president so all the
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conservatives running around right now saying you know like patting themselves on the back and saying
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we're such geniuses you're not right warren warren we're gonna leave it there uh thank you both
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maddie and warren for the fireworks and the insights i appreciate it let's do it again soon
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kick the door down and run to the kid holding all the guns when he crumples to a bloody heap we've won
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mind the walls are listening the eyes all dot the sky smash the glass and take what you can carry
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off tonight we need some duct tape i need some chloroform i gotta sedate this thing that just got
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born i gotta get free i want to dance and spin and pass out on a pile of trash bags
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and put me to a dirty man yeah i take a step back girl i'm having trouble to be
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up in black stuff you know the words but shit i never learned but shit i never learned
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but i've been sleeping with one ear wide awake and watching all the gathering crowds
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i've been mapping out what i'm gonna take when the dynamite blows the glass out
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i'd rather want to be sedated i'd rather be awake and cry and scream
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i'd rather be scared than 80 because it's what i want to be
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me take a step back girl i'm having trouble trouble to be