kinsellacast - November 30, 2024


KINSELLACAST 338: This kid speaks for all of us - with Mraz, Lilley, Mulroney plus Rivivr, Tender Defender, Royal Otis and Brendan Kelly


Episode Stats

Length

1 hour and 5 minutes

Words per Minute

145.76183

Word Count

9,556

Sentence Count

519

Misogynist Sentences

21

Hate Speech Sentences

22


Summary


Transcript

00:00:00.000 It's the KinsellaCast starring Warren Kinsella.
00:00:20.000 Hey, it's Warren. Welcome to the KinsellaCast.
00:00:23.000 I'm recording stuff in a different way this week.
00:00:27.000 Straight to the iPhone.
00:00:30.000 In the past, I've had to use Zoom and all these different platforms.
00:00:35.000 And they're a pain because they make me work.
00:00:37.000 And I don't want to work.
00:00:39.000 I just want to give you podcast love.
00:00:42.000 So on this loving podcast, I've got Brian Lilly before he heads off to the States.
00:00:50.000 I've got John Mraz again.
00:00:54.000 Then I'm on with Ben Mulroney on his show with someone else.
00:01:02.000 And you can hear how that went.
00:01:04.000 I didn't like a couple of the things that she said, so I responded in typically Warren fashion.
00:01:11.000 So you can listen to that.
00:01:14.000 And then I've got some great music.
00:01:18.000 I've got Reviver from Olympia, Washington State.
00:01:25.000 You know, kind of the old stomping grounds of Rancid with their tune Rain Down.
00:01:30.000 Some of them were formerly in Ladderman.
00:01:33.000 And now they've got more of a feminist orientation.
00:01:36.000 Sounds great.
00:01:37.000 Also formerly of Ladderman is Tender Defender, who are in New York State on the other side of the continent with Ruths and Cheeps.
00:01:46.000 Why aren't I playing Ladderman?
00:01:48.000 Well, okay, I will.
00:01:50.000 But not on this show.
00:01:51.000 Not in this episode.
00:01:53.000 Then we've got Royal Otis, who's a duo from Sydney, Australia, who are great.
00:02:00.000 And they've got this little punky, poppy tune called Oysters In My Pocket, which probably means something really sexual in Australia, but I don't know what it is.
00:02:10.000 And then Brendan Kelly, who plays bass for the Lawrence Arms and hangs out with the guys in Smoke or Fire, was one of my favorite bands, his tune Doing Crimes.
00:02:22.000 So lots of good stuff.
00:02:24.000 Don't know if I'll get in CFRA because I've got to nail this down early.
00:02:30.000 So that may just be the show this week.
00:02:33.000 Every politician, every successful one, anyway, has a turn.
00:02:38.000 For Jean Chrétien and Brian Mulroney, it was coming up short in their 84 and 1976 leadership races, respectively.
00:02:47.000 For Dalton McGinty and Doug Ford, it was losing their campaigns to be the Ontario Premier or the Toronto Mayor in 1999 or 2014.
00:02:57.000 There's lots of other examples.
00:02:59.000 But after those losses, all of those leaders made a turn.
00:03:05.000 They made changes to their staff.
00:03:07.000 They revised their strategy.
00:03:09.000 They modified their approach.
00:03:11.000 And then they went on to win massive and successive wins.
00:03:15.000 Executing a turn in politics is easier said than done.
00:03:19.000 Requires a willingness to take a hard look at yourself and do what the Russians call semakritika, self-criticism.
00:03:26.000 It ain't easy.
00:03:28.000 Pierre Polyev has executed a turn.
00:03:32.000 And it accounts for most of the considerable success he now enjoys, I think.
00:03:37.000 He's gotten rid of the bumper sticker populist bullshit for which he was once known.
00:03:42.000 The anti-vax, pro-convoy, you know, volume turned up to 11 all the time.
00:03:49.000 And this different kind of politician has emerged and there's been a turn.
00:03:53.000 At one point, I thought he was awful, like a pestilence.
00:03:58.000 I wrote a column in The Sun excoriating him years ago, calling him a joke and other stuff.
00:04:07.000 And like other members of Chrétien's circle, I was livid about how Polyev had treated Chrétien's former chief of staff, Jean Pelletier.
00:04:19.000 Pelletier was dying of cancer.
00:04:21.000 And he was a shadow of his former self when he was hauled before a parliamentary committee in 2007, I think.
00:04:29.000 And despite his obvious illness, Polyev mocked Pelletier and accused him of being a liar.
00:04:36.000 Quote, did you lie in front of the committee the last time you appeared?
00:04:41.000 Or are you lying now? End quote.
00:04:44.000 Polyev said to Pelletier, who was really gaunt and thin.
00:04:49.000 Pelletier himself was stoic about how Polyev treated him.
00:04:53.000 Like as he left the committee hearing room, he said to the media,
00:04:56.000 I'm 72 years old, I'm fighting cancer, so it was a good day.
00:05:00.000 And he died just a few months later.
00:05:02.000 But those of us Chrétien's loyalists were not as willing to forgive.
00:05:07.000 Anyway, Polyev continued like that for some time.
00:05:11.000 Voting against gay marriage, voting against abortion, voting with the hardcore conservative fringe.
00:05:16.000 He was always as angry, always against everything.
00:05:20.000 And then something changed.
00:05:23.000 And after he became conservative leader in 2022, the turn started to reveal itself.
00:05:31.000 He reversed his position on abortion and equal marriage.
00:05:35.000 He gravitated away from the extremes of the conservative movement.
00:05:39.000 He looked different.
00:05:40.000 He dispensed with the glasses.
00:05:42.000 He beefed up a little bit, started to smile more.
00:05:45.000 He could still indulge in rhetorical overkill.
00:05:50.000 Like Pierre, Canada isn't broken.
00:05:53.000 Our politics are, but not Canada.
00:05:56.000 But anyway, not as much as before.
00:05:59.000 And he started to sound like a prime minister, I felt.
00:06:02.000 And since October 7th in particular,
00:06:05.000 Canada has become one of the worst places in the world for anti-Semitism.
00:06:10.000 Synagogues and Jewish schools have been firebombed or shot up.
00:06:14.000 Jews have been targeted in the streets and in their homes.
00:06:17.000 And for his part, Justin Trudeau has tried to please both sides and ended up pleasing nobody.
00:06:24.000 And his ministers, too, have sounded completely indifferent to the atrocities of Hamas and its cabal.
00:06:31.000 But not Polyev.
00:06:33.000 Like, the conservative leaders condemned the anti-Semitism and the hate without qualification.
00:06:40.000 His voice alone among the federal leaders has become one of moral clarity.
00:06:46.000 And it was not without risk for him, right?
00:06:48.000 You know, there are many, many more Muslim than Jewish voters in Canada, folks.
00:06:53.000 But Polyev did the right thing.
00:06:55.000 And this week, too, when President-elect Trump made his idiotic promise to slap a 25% tariff on everything Canada exports in the United States,
00:07:07.000 Polyev did not do what some other conservatives have done.
00:07:11.000 He didn't attack his own country and say that Trump was justified.
00:07:17.000 He said the opposite.
00:07:19.000 He said Trump's threat was unjustified.
00:07:21.000 He said if he was prime minister, he'd fight with fire.
00:07:25.000 He'd respond with his own tariffs, if need be.
00:07:28.000 Unlike too many conservative partisans, Polyev did not cravenly seek to justify Trump's threat.
00:07:37.000 He condemned it, clearly.
00:07:40.000 Like, that's what we expect of our prime ministers.
00:07:44.000 To always put the country and its people first.
00:07:47.000 To be a fighter.
00:07:49.000 To make important decisions on our behalf.
00:07:52.000 Without fanfare, without hoopla,
00:07:55.000 Pierre Polyev has evolved into a different sort of politician.
00:07:58.000 He's a bit more mature, more moderate, more measured.
00:08:02.000 And it looks good on him.
00:08:05.000 He's perfect.
00:08:06.500 He's perfect.
00:08:07.000 He's perfect.
00:08:16.000 His done run is unexpected.
00:08:24.000 Thank you.
00:08:54.000 Thank you.
00:09:24.000 Thank you.
00:09:54.000 Thank you.
00:10:24.000 Thank you.
00:10:53.980 Thank you.
00:10:55.980 Thank you.
00:10:57.980 Thank you.
00:10:59.980 I've got to bend the knee this morning.
00:11:02.140 I feel like I'm going to plots.
00:11:03.580 I love that Yiddish word.
00:11:05.180 Plots.
00:11:05.780 What does it mean?
00:11:07.260 I sort of evacuate without any intent.
00:11:10.280 I just, I just, I just, I was so wrong last week about Russia.
00:11:15.040 So I got to do a mea culpa on the air here.
00:11:17.560 I did not believe they'd go bankrupt in three days.
00:11:20.620 They did.
00:11:21.660 So why did that happen?
00:11:23.440 Well, you, but you know more about Russia than most people I know.
00:11:26.780 Why did it happen?
00:11:27.920 Do you think?
00:11:29.120 So what I missed was on Monday, maybe late Sunday, Mr. Biden, the president of the United States,
00:11:35.400 you'd never know it because everybody's at Mar-a-Lago, but the president of the United States, Mr. Biden,
00:11:39.700 actually imposed a sanction that worked.
00:11:42.820 There's a bank in Russia called Gazprom Bank.
00:11:46.200 And it's sort of like Exxon having a bank or BP or one of the big oil companies.
00:11:51.280 And it is the bank that transfers hard non-Russian currency around the world and supports the ruble artificially.
00:11:59.660 And the international community shut that down on Monday.
00:12:04.800 And within two days, the ruble was trading at less than it was worth on the paper it's printed.
00:12:10.880 Wow.
00:12:11.540 Wow.
00:12:12.200 So what does this mean for Putin, who you and I really, really don't like?
00:12:17.540 Well, let's remember the last time that the ruble collapsed was in 98.
00:12:21.960 So you've had, you know, you've had Sroika, you've had Glasnost, Yeltsin, Gorbachev.
00:12:27.980 And Russia wasn't really working.
00:12:29.500 It was being undertook by gangsters.
00:12:33.160 The ruble collapses in 98, and Putin uses that as a runway to take power.
00:12:37.660 It takes over a collapsed economy, goes back to sort of a Soviet Union, like discipline, normal, as they say in Russian, like a normalcy of authoritarian capitalist intent.
00:12:51.420 So let's assume that we're in the same position now.
00:12:55.020 Russia, who could have been supported by BRICS, the theoretically alternate currency group of India and Brazil and South Africa and China, and none of them are backing him.
00:13:08.440 Because they're all worried about Trump, who certainly seems to be behaving like he's actually the president of the United States.
00:13:15.380 We'll get to that in a minute.
00:13:16.480 Yeah, we will.
00:13:17.120 So Putin has no international financial backing, and within the same week, Russian forces protecting Syria.
00:13:25.420 Okay, stop, stop, stop, stop.
00:13:27.140 Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.
00:13:27.480 You're doing monologues.
00:13:29.420 Let me ask a question.
00:13:30.760 Okay.
00:13:31.200 So let's deal with the two fronts.
00:13:35.060 So it looks like he's got an economic collapse underway.
00:13:38.140 Well, no, it doesn't look like.
00:13:39.160 He does.
00:13:40.220 He does.
00:13:40.560 And in fairness to you, this all started to happen after you and I spoke last weekend.
00:13:46.900 So I don't think you got it wrong on the show.
00:13:49.060 It just hadn't started to happen yet.
00:13:51.320 But so in Ukraine, what does this mean?
00:13:56.180 You and I had talked this week, and I pointed out to you some reports that he's losing his ability to finance the war.
00:14:05.540 Is that true?
00:14:06.500 Like, does this mean that his ability to prosecute his invasion of Ukraine is in jeopardy?
00:14:14.520 I don't know is the honest answer, and I'm not sure I've seen anybody say they know.
00:14:18.720 I know this.
00:14:19.840 I know that as a result of that collapse, pressure from the United States, Zelensky, in charge of Ukraine, all of a sudden has come to the table and said,
00:14:30.180 I will come to the table, arm assist, or maybe a ceasefire at the end of the war.
00:14:35.800 I'm prepared to give up all the territory we've lost.
00:14:39.880 As long as NATO comes in here, he is daring us to enter the war because he's lost.
00:14:46.700 And that seems counterintuitive because Russia just collapsed financially.
00:14:50.320 What is he so terrified of?
00:14:52.860 Is it Trump?
00:14:54.600 Yes.
00:14:55.080 And yet, then Trump, and this is important, it's a short point, Trump picks General Kellogg, a guy who has a 10-year record of saying Ukraine will not give up a single centimeter of its territory, its sovereignty, it can do whatever it wants.
00:15:11.840 Trump picks the biggest hawk for Ukraine.
00:15:16.560 It's impossible to read what's going on right now.
00:15:18.720 And I was happy about that, and I told you I was happy.
00:15:21.800 I mean, you know, Trump does head fakes on people all the time.
00:15:25.340 God knows the tariff thing might be that, but it looked like a positive dilemma.
00:15:30.260 Okay, so Putin's in trouble economically.
00:15:33.640 His war may be in difficulty in Ukraine.
00:15:38.240 Tell us what is happening, because typically those of us in the West receive very little good reporting about what takes place in the Arab world.
00:15:47.880 It looks to me like Syria, with its benefactors in Iran and Russia, is in deep trouble.
00:15:57.460 The butcher of Baghdad is hiding in a hotel in Moscow, along with all of his family and his extended family.
00:16:05.640 Usually that means something.
00:16:08.200 And, you know, he's hastened to Moscow when Putin wasn't even there.
00:16:13.180 Putin was on the road, so that says to me they didn't see this coming.
00:16:16.440 Like, is Syria's dictatorship in a state of collapse, and what does that mean for Putin?
00:16:24.580 So, a couple of interesting facts.
00:16:26.860 The Syrian opposition, the rebels who are coming in from the north with the support of Turkey, ostensibly a member of NATO,
00:16:33.080 and it just gets so complicated so quickly, are rolling in like thunder from the north.
00:16:39.080 But who are these people?
00:16:40.160 They're putting up—remember ISIS?
00:16:43.040 They're putting up ISIS posters.
00:16:44.720 This is not a secular revolution to the benefit of the people.
00:16:48.260 These are hardline Sunnis who are already on the record saying,
00:16:51.440 you will all convert to Islam, it will be Sunni Islam, even the Druze, or it will slaughter you.
00:16:58.640 Those are the liberators of Syria right now.
00:17:01.300 Not good.
00:17:02.200 No, no, it's terrible.
00:17:04.600 I mean, it creates—I mean, there's a benefit to Israel insofar as they're fighting amongst themselves.
00:17:09.820 But Turkey is now trying to supplant Saudi Arabia as the center of the Islamic world.
00:17:17.140 And at the same time, be a member of NATO, and at the same time, do business with Putin.
00:17:21.460 And host Hamas, because all of the leadership of Hamas were finally kicked out of Qatar, and now they're in Turkey.
00:17:28.160 Like, it is—it's hard to follow without a program, but it—what you say explains the tweet I saw of one analyst I follow,
00:17:35.660 and he was describing what's happening in Syria, and he said,
00:17:38.460 the best thing that can happen is that they all slaughter each other, all sides.
00:17:42.500 I guess that's—that's—that's what you're saying, right?
00:17:45.820 It's all bad guys converging on the place.
00:17:47.920 There's no—nobody wearing a white hat.
00:17:49.680 It was sort of like back in my day in downtown Toronto.
00:17:53.820 If you see skinheads and rednecks fighting each other, don't stop them.
00:17:57.500 Just sit back and have some popcorn and watch.
00:17:59.540 Absolutely.
00:18:00.400 Well, there was no fighting at Mar-a-Lago last night.
00:18:04.620 Those of us at The Sun, we've got an excellent reporter, Brian Passifium, who I went to Israel with in May.
00:18:12.860 And Brian is one of those guys who can track the prime ministerial plane.
00:18:18.940 He tracks the challenger on his app, and he let us know last night.
00:18:24.660 It's like, well, he's supposed to be heading to A and B, and he's now heading south.
00:18:30.980 And we're all like, looks like he's heading to Florida.
00:18:33.660 So off he went to Florida with Katie Telford, who you know, and Brian Clow, who you know.
00:18:41.820 And there was a picture of all of them smiling around a big table, Trump and his acolytes, and Trudeau and his, at Mar-a-Lago.
00:18:51.500 Is this a good thing, or is it kind of pathetic, kissing the ring of the emperor?
00:18:58.160 So first of all, it looked like the most boring, like they all looked like they wanted to kill themselves for the war.
00:19:03.780 Let's start there.
00:19:05.320 They were at a bad table at a wedding.
00:19:07.780 The only person who looked really happy was Don the Don.
00:19:12.900 Yeah, yeah.
00:19:13.400 Everybody was kissing the ring.
00:19:15.800 The exegesis the Trudeau people offered was, we went down to explain to them that while prices will go up for us, they will also go up for you.
00:19:25.360 Which is true.
00:19:26.900 Which is true.
00:19:27.460 It also gives ample reason for Donald Trump to just take Canada and just take it over, what's stopping him.
00:19:33.720 It's part of their 2025 program.
00:19:36.340 Why wouldn't they just take us geopolitically?
00:19:39.880 What would really stop them from making us a bunch of new states?
00:19:44.940 And that's the threat.
00:19:46.920 The threat is, you don't own your own country.
00:19:49.340 We own your economy.
00:19:50.320 You have less than the population of California.
00:19:53.000 And maybe you're second or third in the world for natural resources.
00:19:57.200 You're a big straw from which we can drink.
00:19:59.380 Why are we paying you anything?
00:20:01.360 Yeah, but John, do they really want Timmins?
00:20:04.120 Do you think they want Timmins?
00:20:06.160 Do what?
00:20:06.580 Or Red Deer?
00:20:07.620 I like Timmins.
00:20:08.560 I used to go to the King Eddie Institute.
00:20:10.160 Or Red Deer.
00:20:15.540 Or Prittis.
00:20:16.780 Or Airdrie.
00:20:17.520 Anyway, any places I know.
00:20:19.140 They're all fine places.
00:20:20.160 Any of you from Timmins or Airdrie or Prittis or Red Deer, they're all fine towns.
00:20:25.960 Don't send threatening notes to John and I about, you know, how we remain to those places.
00:20:32.640 Well, it's quite a week, my friend.
00:20:34.320 You and I have both spoken before when it looked like Putin was on the ropes and there was like a rebel force marching towards Moscow.
00:20:44.260 And then it suddenly stopped.
00:20:45.840 So I'm going to resist the temptation to say he's a goner again because he seems to have nine lives.
00:20:51.780 But let me interject for a second.
00:20:52.900 Let's say he is a goner, hypothetically.
00:20:55.320 Yeah.
00:20:55.480 And you're right.
00:20:56.180 He might be a goner.
00:20:57.440 Who replaces him and gets to control 6,500 nuclear warheads?
00:21:03.040 Well, you tell us.
00:21:04.000 I've got to tell you, the list of candidates makes Vladimir Putin look like a compassionate, secular humanist with a great vision for humanity.
00:21:15.260 Well, on that comforting note, anyway, John, thank you.
00:21:21.840 International affairs is a big, big deal this week.
00:21:25.220 And we're very grateful that we've got you to analyze it for us.
00:21:28.700 So thank you, sir.
00:21:30.260 Have a great day and a great week.
00:21:32.680 And hopefully the world is still here next weekend.
00:21:35.520 Then we can talk again.
00:21:37.460 I very much hope so.
00:21:39.240 It's the week of the plots.
00:21:40.940 Aiko, aiko.
00:21:41.680 Aiko, aiko.
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00:21:42.260 Aiko, aiko.
00:21:58.700 Aiko, aiko.
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00:22:03.220 Aiko.
00:22:04.420 Aiko, aiko.
00:22:07.360 Aiko.
00:22:08.840 Aiko, aiko.
00:22:09.240 Aiko.
00:22:09.640 Aiko, aiko.
00:22:10.940 Aiko, aiko.
00:22:11.640 Aiko, aiko.
00:22:12.540 Aiko, aiko.
00:22:17.180 Aiko, aiko, aiko.
00:22:17.980 Aiko, aiko.
00:22:20.160 Aiko.
00:22:20.800 Aiko, aiki.
00:22:23.400 Aiko.
00:22:26.160 Aiko.
00:22:26.560 Aiko.
00:22:27.520 I wouldn't know where I'd go
00:22:30.040 Except an envelope with a box of letters
00:22:34.780 Taking my time but I'm trying to forget it
00:22:38.520 For some reason I just want to go home
00:22:43.000 And everybody I know
00:22:47.460 Have found themselves in the same mess
00:22:50.240 Just looking out the window
00:22:53.920 So wondering where everybody went
00:22:57.720 And all the things that we've been doing
00:23:01.800 To keep ourselves from getting bored
00:23:04.900 It might seem we're doing alright
00:23:08.820 But it ain't of our own accord
00:23:12.140 My roommate's friends are coming over
00:23:18.440 When I'm sick of getting stung
00:23:21.180 I heard this sound
00:23:23.820 Used to be cool
00:23:25.600 Before I was drunk
00:23:29.060 Now it's just about places
00:23:31.200 I can't afford to meet
00:23:32.880 People I don't want to know
00:23:34.660 Because they're all just groups that change
00:23:36.660 How I wish, how I wish
00:23:39.240 They'd go away
00:23:41.060 And everybody I know
00:23:45.980 Have found themselves in the same mess
00:23:48.740 Just looking out the window
00:23:52.400 Wondering where everybody went
00:23:56.220 And all the things that we've been doing
00:23:59.740 To keep ourselves from getting bored
00:24:03.400 It might seem we're doing alright
00:24:07.300 But it ain't of our own accord
00:24:10.720 Oh, did you really think
00:24:18.040 Your sour face would get you anywhere
00:24:24.280 And all the things that I've been doing
00:24:34.380 Hey!
00:24:35.220 Hey!
00:24:35.700 Hey!
00:24:36.700 Hey!
00:24:36.960 Hey
00:24:37.460 Hey!
00:24:37.700 Hey!
00:24:37.760 Hey!
00:24:38.700 Hey!
00:24:39.700 Hey!
00:24:40.720 Hey!
00:24:41.240 Everybody I know
00:25:00.920 Have found themselves in the same mess
00:25:03.900 Just looking out the window
00:25:07.460 No wonderin' where everybody went
00:25:12.360 In all the things that we've been doin'
00:25:15.840 To keep ourselves from getting bored
00:25:19.380 It might seem we're doin' alright
00:25:22.900 But ain't no more on our court, alright
00:25:27.880 Look around here
00:25:30.320 There ain't no way
00:25:34.180 To do anything but once you're on your team
00:25:41.080 I'll get you in all the clothes he does
00:25:45.000 But nothin' speaks to us
00:25:47.360 Tell me, tell me
00:25:49.160 How come nothin' speaks to us?
00:25:52.800 We outta happen
00:25:56.200 We both state
00:26:01.420 Check in line
00:26:02.580 We both self
00:26:05.720 Tomorrow
00:26:09.220 You earn
00:26:10.180 We outta
00:26:11.480 And
00:26:11.800 But
00:26:12.820 You earn
00:26:13.400 And
00:26:15.860 You earn
00:26:17.960 We'll be right back.
00:26:47.960 All right, welcome back.
00:27:01.100 And we're with Brian Lilly and I'm very excited.
00:27:02.940 We have a new technology here.
00:27:05.040 Apple, in its ongoing quest to take business away from everybody else, has introduced this feature on its iPhone, its iOS, latest iOS.
00:27:17.300 Where you can now record directly on the call.
00:27:20.120 And it just gave a notification to Brian that it's recording.
00:27:24.560 But for guys like us in the business we're in, this is awesome.
00:27:30.080 You don't have to fumble.
00:27:31.240 It's great.
00:27:31.900 I've been waiting for this for years.
00:27:34.660 Look, I still like some of the apps when I'm doing a full 40-minute to an hour-long podcast.
00:27:40.060 I like Riverside.
00:27:41.140 It's still fantastic.
00:27:42.000 And they can do video, too.
00:27:43.880 But this is good.
00:27:45.320 And this is an advancement.
00:27:46.340 I like it.
00:27:47.080 Yeah.
00:27:47.320 And the audio, your audio sounds great.
00:27:49.980 So not so great this week on the federal front.
00:27:53.920 You've got Justin introducing his GST tax holiday.
00:27:59.740 And you've got no less than David Dodge condemning it.
00:28:02.660 You've got the premier saying that Trudeau's got no plan to deal with the Trump tariffs.
00:28:07.360 And he's 22 points behind.
00:28:09.800 Am I missing anything?
00:28:11.700 No, no.
00:28:13.060 That's about it.
00:28:13.980 But don't worry.
00:28:14.720 All the liberal Trudeau folks are going to be talking all weekend about what a bad week Pierre Pauly has had.
00:28:20.100 And just wait for the next poll, which is what they do.
00:28:23.080 And every time, you know, it spreads once in a while among the Truanons, the most believing of all the cults, that Pauly has just had a horrible week.
00:28:33.860 And every time they do that, he goes up or the liberals go down.
00:28:37.400 So I expect that to happen.
00:28:39.880 But the whole GST thing, poorly, poorly thought out, back of a napkin thing.
00:28:49.360 It should have been across the board or it should have been permanent.
00:28:53.340 You know, a select group of things like pudding and chips.
00:28:58.160 It's the pudding lobby.
00:28:59.760 They're very powerful, obviously.
00:29:02.080 For people that haven't gone and looked at the actual background or that goes with the news release, meaning...
00:29:07.400 Anyone that has a life and isn't paid to look at these things, they got the list.
00:29:15.140 And so it's not an across-the-board tax cut.
00:29:17.940 It's pudding and moose and gelatin and...
00:29:23.540 Artificial Christmas trees.
00:29:26.000 Just a constant description.
00:29:28.020 It's utterly bizarre.
00:29:29.120 And so retailers are talking about how nasty this is because they've got to go in and recode their programs that, you know, because everyone is...
00:29:39.660 You know, who's sitting there with an old school ching-ching, ching-ching cash register?
00:29:45.000 So you've got to reprogram it for two months at the busiest time of year.
00:29:48.820 Then you have to reprogram again in two months on February 14th when this ends.
00:29:54.780 And then on April 1st, as we talked about before, the carbon tax goes up.
00:29:58.900 And so does the beer and wine tax by 2%.
00:30:01.980 So the $50 case of beer that would have normally cost you $56 because the HST was on it here in Ontario.
00:30:11.460 Well, it goes down to $50 for a bit.
00:30:14.360 And then on April 1st, it's going up to like $57.50, which is just going to really piss you off.
00:30:20.420 You're like, wait a minute.
00:30:21.400 No, it was just paying this much for it.
00:30:25.140 And the reason I say that's really going to piss people off and why that's bad, you're doing that before you go to a vote.
00:30:32.420 Like, it's not like the tax holiday extends over a period.
00:30:36.620 Yeah, not a good political strategy.
00:30:38.740 Well, what about his strategy of just basically saying nothing on the Trump tariffs and presumably hope that nobody notices what's happening?
00:30:48.480 Like, it looks like the premiers are pretty mad at the prime minister for not having a plan.
00:30:53.960 Yeah.
00:30:54.300 So I talked to people from several provincial governments who were on the call.
00:31:01.720 And they described Trudeau as arrogant in the way he was talking to the premiers.
00:31:06.980 There's every single one of them.
00:31:09.300 Not everyone did, but to use the arrogant term, but one did.
00:31:13.800 Several.
00:31:15.860 Everyone actually just said the same thing.
00:31:18.160 We were expecting some kind of plan.
00:31:20.720 There isn't one.
00:31:22.920 You're getting a plan from Danielle Smith.
00:31:24.880 She's going to use drones on the border with Montana.
00:31:27.560 I'm sure you've crossed that border between Alberta and Montana before.
00:31:32.440 Vast, wide open spaces.
00:31:34.960 You've got the Legault government in Quebec.
00:31:38.680 They've already sent the SQ.
00:31:39.980 Even before the meeting, they announced we're sending the SQ down because he's worried about another Rocksham Road because of Trump's deportation thing.
00:31:47.100 Right.
00:31:47.320 And Doug Ford called a meeting with U.S. law enforcement that are based in Toronto to say, hey, what are you guys looking for?
00:31:55.640 What do you need?
00:31:56.440 What can we do?
00:31:57.780 So they're looking for solutions.
00:31:59.780 And I think Trudeau was hoping to be able to use Trump's threat of 25% tariffs as some kind of political wedge to try and figure out, okay, can I get votes out of this?
00:32:13.000 I'm defending Captain Canada.
00:32:15.120 But I think most Canadians see this for what it is.
00:32:18.720 He's using this threat to try and get a result on immigration, which is an issue that Canadians are really angry about right now, an issue that we never used to talk about is now a domestic issue.
00:32:34.200 And so my view of the Trump tariff threat is that he doesn't want to put tariffs on.
00:32:38.920 He wants us to fix our border.
00:32:41.100 And 82% increase in illegal immigrants going across the border from Canada to the U.S., still smaller than Mexico, but we've gone from 1% to 9% of the problem.
00:32:53.020 We are 87% of the people that get caught going across the border on terror watch lists.
00:32:59.400 Yeah, that is definitely a problem.
00:33:02.340 And Ross McKittrick, who's a professor at the University of Guelph, he posted the other day and replied to me.
00:33:09.620 He said, we've got to figure out what's going on with fentanyl because we all think it's a Mexican problem.
00:33:14.920 He was down at an event at the Wilson Center in Washington, and he said to a former, someone he's known a long time, the State Department, the current State Department,
00:33:28.180 how do you guys view the fentanyl issue?
00:33:31.120 Is it primarily a Mexican problem or a China problem?
00:33:34.780 And they said a Canada problem.
00:33:37.020 So that's the Biden administration saying that.
00:33:40.440 So what's going on in Washington that this is what they think?
00:33:45.100 Are we missing something?
00:33:46.740 Well, I think it's legit.
00:33:47.920 Personally, you know, because I did what you did.
00:33:50.520 I looked at the FDA.
00:33:52.000 I looked at their own stats.
00:33:53.520 43 pounds of fentanyl were seized coming across the border from Canada and the United States last year.
00:33:59.060 So, you know, the majority of the problem is India and China and Mexico.
00:34:03.840 But the guy who I thought deserved a lot of credit this week, and I'm writing about it in the paper this weekend, is Pierre Pagliot.
00:34:11.700 He came out and said, this is unjustified.
00:34:14.480 If I'm prime minister and if I have to, I'm going to retaliate.
00:34:18.800 And this is not acceptable.
00:34:20.300 And it was like, hey, Justin, why can't you do that?
00:34:23.220 Why can't you do what Pierre did?
00:34:24.540 Because Pierre just sounded like a prime minister just right there.
00:34:27.700 Yeah.
00:34:28.040 But, I mean, look, I thought he did well.
00:34:31.140 I thought Ford did well.
00:34:32.320 I was at his news conference.
00:34:33.760 I watched Pauliev's.
00:34:37.060 The thing that we need to be doing is saying, okay, do they have reasonable demands or legitimate concerns?
00:34:42.860 And the answer is yes.
00:34:44.000 They do.
00:34:45.540 That's not trashing Canada.
00:34:47.980 That's not defending Trump.
00:34:49.520 That's just reality.
00:34:50.740 As I said, 82% increase.
00:34:52.820 We're 87% of the terror cases going across.
00:34:55.880 We've got to fix that.
00:34:57.700 And, by the way, fixing that also helps fix our own problem.
00:35:00.900 Like, we've made a mess.
00:35:02.080 We've got 43,000 Indian nationals arriving in Canada on student and temporary work visas and then going across to the U.S. and declaring asylum.
00:35:11.840 I think the U.S. wants us to clean up our visa system and who we're letting into the country so that we're not a backdoor gateway into the U.S.
00:35:22.260 And we clearly have a problem with extremism.
00:35:25.640 You just take a look at what's happening in the streets of Montreal or Toronto on a regular basis.
00:35:30.260 So, look, we should spend time on fixing the problem and then we don't have to even think about retaliatory tariffs.
00:35:40.260 And I heard some of the Trudeau cabinet ministers like Freeland talk about, well, I mean, what we have to do is explain to them how much we trade with them.
00:35:48.880 And I thought, that's like when your wife is angry at you for leaving your socks on the couch.
00:35:55.100 And she said, look, stop leaving your socks on the couch.
00:35:58.140 And you say, honey, haven't you seen how clean the garage is?
00:36:02.880 But your socks are still on the couch.
00:36:05.300 It's a vibe session, man.
00:36:07.120 It's a vibe session.
00:36:08.520 Can we talk about that for a second?
00:36:10.900 Of course.
00:36:11.980 What the hell is a vibe session?
00:36:14.080 I don't know.
00:36:14.580 Real GDP per person, per capita, just came out on Friday.
00:36:22.260 And it's down again for the sixth quarter in a row.
00:36:27.500 It's down eight of the last nine quarters.
00:36:30.520 The gap between us and the U.S. is becoming huge.
00:36:33.920 And for anybody who doesn't know what Brian and I are talking about,
00:36:36.440 Deputy Prime Minister of Canada, the Minister of Finance,
00:36:39.280 said, what we've got right now is, quote, unquote, a vibe session.
00:36:44.860 I don't know what a vibe session is.
00:36:47.780 Well, she's trying to say that the economy is great.
00:36:50.300 Just the vibe doesn't feel good.
00:36:53.700 Okay.
00:36:54.820 Liberal, listen to me.
00:36:58.360 You're sounding like Kamala Harris on the economy.
00:37:01.740 And that didn't work.
00:37:02.520 She tried the same thing, telling people the economy is great.
00:37:05.380 And people don't feel like it is.
00:37:08.040 As I've said before, you know, don't point to an OECD study.
00:37:11.620 I can't eat that.
00:37:13.560 Groceries cost more.
00:37:14.980 Things cost more.
00:37:15.800 People are pissed off.
00:37:17.880 That's a great line.
00:37:19.300 That's a great line.
00:37:20.660 Man, if I was running a campaign, I would steal that line.
00:37:23.980 I can't.
00:37:24.900 That's really good.
00:37:25.900 That's really good.
00:37:26.620 So we've talked about Trudeau.
00:37:30.440 We've talked about Polyev, talked about Trump.
00:37:33.180 He had one appointment this week that I applauded to his cabinet or his circle of advisors.
00:37:40.280 This guy who has been very critical of Russia and very positive about Ukraine.
00:37:47.560 And I was very surprised by that, given what Musk and his son have been tweeting.
00:37:53.520 This guy sounded like somebody would be right at home in a Biden administration on Ukraine.
00:37:59.420 I was just pressed on another podcast by a young guy asking me, like, why are we spending so much, you know, sending money to Ukraine?
00:38:10.220 Because it's cheaper to do that than to send troops to fight a war.
00:38:14.500 And Vladimir Putin is going to, you know, if we don't stop him in Ukraine, just keep expanding.
00:38:20.760 He wants to band back together, right?
00:38:22.760 Back in the USSR.
00:38:24.440 And we don't want to let that happen.
00:38:29.540 I've never been of the view that Trump was going to abandon Ukraine.
00:38:34.320 I just figured he'd go there and push for a deal.
00:38:37.080 Now, the kind of deal I want and the kind of deal he can get may be different.
00:38:40.880 I don't want them to lose any more territory.
00:38:43.520 Can they get back Crimea?
00:38:45.340 I don't know.
00:38:46.060 We let Putin take that in 2014 and nobody did a thing.
00:38:51.200 And look what happened.
00:38:52.700 So, you know, we got to stop him there.
00:38:56.100 I was at the Churchill Society Gala this past week because I'm a mucky muck, you know.
00:39:01.600 And I got invited by a friend who worked for a good company with the table.
00:39:07.020 And Stephen Harper is getting an award and he's doing a fireside chat.
00:39:11.640 And you would have liked what he said here.
00:39:13.640 He said, we need to unconditionally support the survival of Ukraine and Israel.
00:39:22.160 And I do not see a single leader on the world stage who is defending and supporting both of them right now.
00:39:28.500 Yep.
00:39:29.500 Yep.
00:39:30.760 And Taiwan.
00:39:31.280 We got a lot of applause for that.
00:39:32.680 And Taiwan.
00:39:33.720 And Taiwan.
00:39:35.080 So, to me, those are the three outposts of democracy.
00:39:39.200 It's exactly like you said a minute ago.
00:39:41.500 So, as soon as democracy, as soon as the West lets one of those go on the front edge of this war against, you know, dictators and autocrats, Israel, Ukraine, and Taiwan, we're in big, big trouble.
00:39:57.560 But you are heading away.
00:39:59.020 I just wanted to mention.
00:40:00.360 So, can you tell us where you're going and will we be able to speak to you again?
00:40:05.100 I'll be back in two weeks.
00:40:09.260 So, I'll be gone until the 14th.
00:40:11.900 And then I'm sailing away on the love boat.
00:40:15.680 Oh, nice.
00:40:16.160 You know you're of a certain vintage, if that's your reference point.
00:40:20.820 Going on a cruise for my mother's 80th.
00:40:23.140 And we're all taking her out and celebrating the fact that she's still here.
00:40:27.800 And going around the Caribbean, which I've never done.
00:40:31.280 You haven't been to Jamaica?
00:40:32.360 No, I've never been to the Caribbean.
00:40:35.920 Well, yeah, I guess it's Florida.
00:40:37.800 Oh, you're going to love it.
00:40:38.880 It's just great.
00:40:40.420 Well, hopefully you get to spend a couple days in Jamaica, one of my favorite places.
00:40:44.300 Well, listen, man, don't jump overboard.
00:40:46.620 Have a great, great time.
00:40:48.000 If you have time to phone and you just want to do a quickie chat, we can do that.
00:40:53.260 All I have to do is to press a button on my iPhone now.
00:40:55.760 So, there you go.
00:40:57.280 Amazing.
00:40:57.900 Talk soon.
00:40:58.380 Thanks, man.
00:41:02.360 We'll see you next time.
00:41:32.360 We'll see you next time.
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00:42:07.920 Oh, well, that's miles away.
00:42:11.720 Oh, well, that's miles away.
00:42:17.280 Oh, well, that's miles away.
00:42:21.280 Oh, well, that's miles away.
00:42:26.840 Oh, well, that's miles away.
00:42:30.840 Oh, well, that's miles away.
00:42:51.280 Oh, well, that's miles away.
00:43:04.840 Oh, well, that's miles away.
00:43:05.720 Oh, well, that's miles away.
00:43:09.620 Oh, oh, well, that's miles away
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00:43:39.620 this is the ben mulrooney show welcome back to the ben mulrooney show we are broadcasting
00:43:54.100 on the chorus radio network it's a pleasure to spend some time with you on this friday
00:43:59.100 and we're doing something uh new well we're doing a lot of new things because it's a new show but
00:44:03.180 starting today we are launching our this week in politics panel with people who are far more
00:44:09.240 steeped in the world of politics than i let's welcome to the show warren kinsella former special
00:44:14.240 advisor to jean chretien and ceo of the daisy group welcome warren thanks so much for being here
00:44:18.180 thanks my friend and we've got maddie de muccio political commentator and syndicated columnist
00:44:22.980 for troy media maddie a pleasure very much a pleasure as well thank you all right so no surprise
00:44:29.520 to either of you or to any of our listeners that the biggest story today has been the biggest story
00:44:33.840 this week and it will continue to resonate as one of the biggest stories in the country until it
00:44:38.140 comes to its resolution and that is donald trump telling justin trudeau to fix the border or get
00:44:43.620 hit with 25 percent tariffs across the board on every single thing that leaves canada and goes to
00:44:49.640 the united states uh warren we've uh we've heard uh from uh so many of our provincial leaders um but
00:44:57.360 there's a a new there's some new audio from tom mulcair the former leader of the ndp who says
00:45:02.460 that danielle smith and francois legault uh they they look ready to fix this thing while trudeau
00:45:07.480 seems to have disappeared since the first minister's conference that doug ford convened let's listen
00:45:12.920 i heard of danielle smith who was in solution mode i heard of francois legault who was saying
00:45:17.340 we need a plan and we're willing to help so legault was there smith was there they're looking at the
00:45:22.200 situation with the americans they know how much their economies can be earned and they want
00:45:25.900 to play his part so far uh his part in his view has been to have a meeting and then disappear
00:45:32.940 yeah warren it seems like we have a plan to have a plan seems like we should have had a plan before
00:45:37.540 this this election um and it seems like the only people are actually really doing anything that
00:45:42.820 where the rubber is meeting the road is at the provincial level yeah i would agree with that um
00:45:49.060 you know doug ford i think identified this was a problem before it even hit because he was talking
00:45:55.200 about doing a deal directly with with the united states and excluding mexico which has made mexico
00:46:01.160 very unhappy as you might reasonably expect so yeah the premiers uh some premiers have been constructive
00:46:09.160 on this but ones like smith and legault i think are being dishonest or misinformed you know if you look
00:46:16.680 look at the two you look at the two reasons the pretext that trump has given for this threat to slap
00:46:24.220 25 duty on all underline all products coming into the united states from canada and that's going to be
00:46:33.480 that's a quarter of our workforce that's potentially at risk billions and dollars of trade every single day
00:46:40.080 but trump is lying in my opinion about his stated reasons for doing this he says we're sending in
00:46:48.060 fentanyl to the united states from canada like in all of last year 43 pounds of it yeah were seized
00:46:56.220 at the border you know coming in from canada yeah i want to bring i want to bring maddie in because
00:47:01.320 maddie just want to and then in terms of the illegal immigrants thing like 1.5 million come in from
00:47:09.000 mexico and 24 000 from canada so the reasons trump is given is are not accurate well let's assume for
00:47:15.980 a second that that um that warren is completely accurate on this and he's dead like he's hit the
00:47:20.940 bullseye does it even matter maddie like if this is what the guy wants and we know what the implications
00:47:27.020 would be on our economy if that tariff comes into effect why don't we what is why isn't our plan to
00:47:33.900 just do exactly what he wants because the cost of not doing it would be disastrous
00:47:38.240 i i completely agree uh you know let's let's do what what what let's just tell trump will do it but
00:47:45.140 let's be clear canada does have a border issue with the u.s but it isn't what's heading south but
00:47:50.600 it's it isn't what's heading south our problem is what will be crossing into canada from the u.s once
00:47:55.960 trump begins his deportations of undocumented immigrants in the u.s and trump's border star is
00:48:01.580 telling u.s media that 1.5 non-citizen 1.5 million non-citizens have criminal convictions and that's
00:48:08.520 where he's planning to start with his deportations now what percentage of them are going to head to
00:48:13.000 toronto vancouver you know and elsewhere are we are we ready for this wave of alleged gangs and drugs
00:48:18.900 coming north i mean look trudeau has a big set of problems to look forward to with little if no
00:48:24.140 competency to to handle them we need to respond not because of trump's threat threat but because
00:48:29.060 we don't want to be the next chicago intercity crime wave now here's my idea let's tell trump
00:48:34.700 we will do that but just like trump telling mexico to pay for his border wall the u.s should fund our
00:48:40.840 extra security slap on those massive royalties on canadian oil electricity potash others all the
00:48:47.620 things that u.s buys at large volumes and cannot source elsewhere easily and tell trump admin that this
00:48:54.020 money is required to fund border security so the u.s is expecting canada to respond with tariff to
00:48:59.860 their 25 percent um across the board tariff and we don't have to if we just put up the border security
00:49:06.240 royalties on u.s bound electricity oil potash whatever that's i mean that's we need ideas and
00:49:12.980 trudeau is out of them right now he's just pearl clutching well let's uh one person who agrees with
00:49:17.900 you maddie on the fact that uh on the belief that uh justin trudeau is done is kevin o'leary and
00:49:23.560 because he uh has a platform on both sides of the country uh both sides of the border uh he's uh he's
00:49:29.240 called upon to sort of explain canadian politics uh to american audiences often here let's listen to
00:49:35.540 what he thinks about uh the person who could replace justin trudeau trudeau is a really unpopular
00:49:41.320 leader and in the parliamentary system he'll be getting whacked soon it's the end game in the
00:49:46.480 parliamentary system is so brutal look what happened in england just recently it's about to happen to
00:49:50.860 him so that trump will not be negotiating with trudeau he'll be dealing with a guy named pierre
00:49:55.360 paul of a majority mandate i think trump should invite him down to mar-a-lago now i don't know
00:50:01.820 what the protocol and all that is but he'll be dealing with pierre he might as well who's much
00:50:06.600 more ideologically aligned with trump well here's what paul of he has already said i'm going to lift
00:50:12.200 the ban on pipelines i'm going to kill the carbon tax to be competitive with texas
00:50:16.440 and i'm going to open all kinds of investment in canada that's trump's kind of guy so i would
00:50:22.080 you know i know he talked to trudeau last night but trudeau is checking out a dodge so i think rule
00:50:28.220 number one warren if you're going to be uh explaining canadian politics to americans you should get the
00:50:33.220 guy's name right but that's neither here nor there i think the most the most i don't disagree with
00:50:39.160 anything he says but let's listen to pierre uh polivier who uh who was asked about whether or not
00:50:48.420 uh he has he would go down to meet trump at mar-a-lago if invited would you be willing to
00:50:54.240 go to mar-a-lago before the next election to discuss these issues with donald trump i have not
00:50:58.840 been invited to that so thank you very much yeah warren it seems like like um uh pierre has to thread
00:51:06.300 a very tight needle here where he needs to project that he is donald trump's kind of guy to donald trump
00:51:13.700 without being uh associated to donald trump because trump is in fact so polarizing to canadians
00:51:20.980 i you know i think poliev had the proper response this week and people like erin motul and danielle
00:51:29.020 smith and lago had the wrong response poliev went out and he said this is unjustified this is
00:51:38.880 completely unjustified what trump is saying he's going to do the second thing he said was if he was
00:51:45.500 prime minister and this came to pass he would slap retaliatory tariffs on the united states yeah and
00:51:52.800 thirdly he said you know like that's what a prime minister is supposed to say yeah not capitulate at
00:51:59.440 the first instance of a threat the one thing that you know i think everybody knows but periodically
00:52:05.080 forgets is donald trump does not respond to sucking up people who suck up to him always end up
00:52:12.620 being disappointed because he'll screw you over anyway well i'm glad you mentioned that because
00:52:16.900 maddie maddie i i i think that he we all know he responds to strength he responds and and when when
00:52:25.340 he when pierre poliev gotten from the microphone and said uh he's all about america first i'm about
00:52:30.020 canada first that i think was his way of introducing himself to donald trump because you know that that
00:52:36.340 was intended for donald trump to see absolutely and and i 100 agree with with warren i mean he
00:52:42.320 trudeau is not trump's guy poliev is a master communicator uh you know in comparison anyone
00:52:48.740 is better than trudeau but this isn't really a fight about relationships it's it's really i believe
00:52:53.480 a precursor to july 1st 2026 when kuzma kuzma came under the joint review and i think trump is starting
00:53:00.400 negotiations to establish his you know parameters for negotiations um you know we need a leader who who
00:53:07.200 won't be weak and timid and and trudeau responded to trump's still tariffs with with tariffs on
00:53:12.900 american maple syrup and licorice candies we won't be so nice this time uh we we got we we need a real
00:53:18.900 leader and we don't have one so i i think probably ever is doing a good job at that maddie warren stick
00:53:24.260 around because coming up who would have thought joe rogan would have been a huge talking point in
00:53:28.460 politics we're going to discuss that next on the ben mulrooney show this is the ben mulrooney show
00:53:34.920 tgip thank god it's politics it's our week in politics review with warren kinsella and maddie
00:53:42.400 demuccio thank you guys both for joining us here on the ben mulrooney show and for sticking around
00:53:46.380 let's jump in let's jump into a conversation that happened on cnn where the panelists were arguing
00:53:55.140 about whether joe rogan changed his political views for money or or whether it was the democratic
00:54:01.140 party that changed so much that it pushed him away liberals drove him away by calling him a racist
00:54:07.280 unearthing jokes he made calling him a misogynist really with no evidence when you make racist
00:54:12.480 jokes about people of color him a lot of people calling you racist is likely going to happen all
00:54:16.680 the time i think what he ended up seeing was an american political spirit that shifted and he found
00:54:21.040 ways he's a lot smarter than people give him credit for he found ways to walk into where those
00:54:24.880 people were yes he was a proud you know ultra leftist and then he became a proud person on the
00:54:29.920 right largely because he saw shifting towards the right and that's where his money and his audience
00:54:33.400 could come from he shifted because more of his listeners shifted and that's where he drove it to
00:54:38.000 uh warren you've worked on democratic campaigns in the past you know that that party very well
00:54:43.500 what do you make of that um about that exchange and and and how it relates to the democrats need for an
00:54:51.980 honest post-mortem after the defeat in the election we always need an honest post-mortem after a defeat
00:54:59.060 in an election doesn't matter if you're the democrats or anybody else but you know the the democrats could
00:55:04.760 not cozy up to joe rogan you know this is a guy who had to apologize on spotify for using the n-word
00:55:12.120 repeatedly and they lost all kinds of advertising they lost artists like joni mitchell and neil young
00:55:17.860 like he he's a bit of an idiot i know he commands a particular segment you know young men but they're
00:55:24.840 not young men who tend to vote so you know he was all for trump for the taking and trump took full and
00:55:33.000 frequent advantage of that but he's not really the democrats constituency so it's like you know for me
00:55:38.940 it would be don't let the door hit you on your way out but maddie when i hear that i'm reminded of a
00:55:44.260 number of conversations that i've watched on american television uh that telegraphs almost
00:55:51.060 like a feels like an unwillingness to look in the mirror as to why they lost you know looking at joe
00:55:56.380 rogan saying oh well he left for money as opposed to saying no but maybe the democratic party changed
00:56:00.140 too much for him as well i mean two things can be true at once joe rogan can be an idiot and the
00:56:05.000 party can have morphed into something that was unpalatable to too many people no absolutely and you know
00:56:10.660 look the left lost uh joe rogan when they attacked him over covid rogan's audience you know are young
00:56:17.720 men the least likely population to suffer badly from covid and they're also the biggest risk population
00:56:23.960 for side effects related to the vaccine and when cnn and other media edited joe rogan's video image
00:56:29.580 making him look like do you remember he made him look like he silver colored they created their own
00:56:34.620 political demon and you know cnn msnbc new york times washington coast they all had a hand to play
00:56:40.940 in this young men are you know like all human beings are going to vote for their own self-interest
00:56:46.160 and the democrats didn't give them any reason to vote for harris harris made a conscious decision
00:56:51.620 to target women leaving men receptive to trump's message yes one jump in yeah like i'm sorry but you
00:56:58.460 can't broadcast what maddie just said that young men are most at risk for covid as we all know the
00:57:06.060 people who are most at risk for covid are the elderly and people whose no no i didn't say most no no i said
00:57:12.940 they are least at risk for covid and they're more at risk for the vaccine that's what i said more
00:57:18.020 all right they're at risk for the vaccine well you know we had the state well that you know what that
00:57:24.340 we had the state of florida that you know uh did not allow for vaccines to be given to young men
00:57:30.180 they had the highest they had the highest up well anyways no there's no one maddie i'm not going to
00:57:38.000 stay on the show if you're going to propagate false information about health i'm not i'm not we're not
00:57:43.840 talking about the covid yes you are i'm telling you what young men the reason why young men were
00:57:49.740 attracted to joe rogan's show and this is whether whether you whether it's a fact or fiction that's
00:57:55.780 the reason they were attacked attracted to that show and that's what i'm trying to explain right
00:57:59.500 now not my own opinion my own opinions on why young men went to joe rogan all right well warren you want
00:58:05.640 the last word on this one i mean i think it's dangerous to spread misinformation disinformation
00:58:11.800 about vaccines and covid we went through a number of years of that and we you know lots of people died
00:58:17.860 or got very sick because of it so you know what maddie said those things she said are not true
00:58:23.900 they're not true but but warren i'm not stating my own opinion i'm telling you i'm telling the audience
00:58:29.780 why young men were attracted to joe rogan that was that was the dialogue at that time and that was
00:58:37.420 what drove them to joe rogan okay well let's sort of pivot a little bit but stay in the world of
00:58:42.240 podcasts because um you got to meet people where they are i think we can all agree on that
00:58:47.820 and where people are these days uh at least in the united states during the elections was on some of
00:58:53.600 these very big podcasts now um the the the can the the um the gop side did their own tour and the
00:59:01.420 kamala harris side decided that they were going to do their own podcast tour as well team kamala got
00:59:07.380 together on a podcast to discuss why it didn't work out as well for them as they had hoped if you're a
00:59:12.920 candidate with a limited amount of time to get your voice out there and define yourself you kind of have
00:59:17.480 to do everything um but did it um screw with our narrative uh not just in getting for not doing
00:59:25.260 enough earned media but getting questions that we knew voters weren't going to care about um and you
00:59:31.440 know their um myopic mindset on certain issues was not what the race was going to be about
00:59:37.220 so at a certain point we had to decide is this helping us or hurting us yeah so warren i think
00:59:43.020 what what they're referencing there is some of the podcasts that they went on i think there's one called
00:59:47.080 call call her daddy um and i don't know insulting the podcasters after the fact for asking dumb
00:59:55.040 questions as opposed to not having great answers prepared to dumb questions is is a bit rich to me
01:00:02.760 yeah but i mean you know everybody's trying to figure out the podcast segment and political
01:00:08.820 campaigns and it's it's like mainstream media you know some shows work for you and you know it's
01:00:15.860 reinforcing an audience you've got a voter base you've got and some shows are a risk you know you're
01:00:21.140 taking a bit of a risk i felt she should do joe rogan you know and to stick it to him but she didn't
01:00:27.340 but she did tons of media and this notion she was hiding from the media was bogus you know it was
01:00:32.640 trump who refused to have another debate with her and you know i think we all know why because he had
01:00:37.960 a precipitous decline in support after that one debate he had with harris because she cleaned her
01:00:43.320 clog but you know campaigns do this all the time you know which shows should we have done when should
01:00:48.220 we have done them and so on but the media adam has broken you know it's in lots of different pieces
01:00:53.740 and you got to figure out what shows you're going to go on so that's a legitimate thing for every
01:00:57.940 political campaign to think about and maddie but even some of the stuff that uh in both campaigns
01:01:03.380 had massive missteps but i one of the biggest for me that i saw was that that kamala harris on day one
01:01:09.540 didn't have an answer prepared to the question what would you have done differently from joe biden and
01:01:15.560 she was asked that on the friendliest of friendly uh interviews on the view and the fact that she didn't
01:01:20.760 have a good answer locked and loaded was concerning for people yeah i mean we've got two situations
01:01:27.520 going in here we've got a really terrible candidate and then we have a party despite having a billion
01:01:32.860 dollars to spend has a terrible communication plan and just incompetent people running it and even now
01:01:39.120 as you see the democrats licking their wounds it's it's very sad and pathetic to see that they're just not
01:01:44.540 understanding what went wrong here um you know take some accountability please the last thing that
01:01:50.040 that harris should complain about is is a a friendly media i mean she she she was given everything on
01:01:56.040 a silver platter she's given every opportunity uh and she just it just was a complete massive fail
01:02:02.460 yeah to me it's i mean listen if oprah can't move the needle for the democrats but joe rogan can move it
01:02:09.580 for the the the the gop then warren what does that say to you yeah no because eating cats and dogs
01:02:17.580 and cat was cat ladies that was a genius communication strategy is that what you guys are
01:02:22.800 saying no no but i but no but when jd vance when jd when jd vance goes on theo vaughn's show
01:02:27.900 let me finish it wasn't it was a bad it was a bad communication strategy and they got hurt by it
01:02:36.060 and so at the end of the day it wasn't a massive failure donald trump has had one of the narrowest
01:02:41.600 presidential victories in the history of the united states if about 100 000 votes in pennsylvania
01:02:47.280 wisconsin miss con michigan had gone the other way she would have been president so all the
01:02:52.200 conservatives running around right now saying you know like patting themselves on the back and saying
01:02:56.320 we're such geniuses you're not right warren warren we're gonna leave it there uh thank you both
01:03:02.020 maddie and warren for the fireworks and the insights i appreciate it let's do it again soon
01:03:05.780 kick the door down and run to the kid holding all the guns when he crumples to a bloody heap we've won
01:03:13.700 mind the walls are listening the eyes all dot the sky smash the glass and take what you can carry
01:03:21.820 off tonight we need some duct tape i need some chloroform i gotta sedate this thing that just got
01:03:29.480 born i gotta get free i want to dance and spin and pass out on a pile of trash bags
01:03:37.400 and put me to a dirty man yeah i take a step back girl i'm having trouble to be
01:03:47.400 i'm reeling from that double double heat
01:03:51.320 up in black stuff you know the words but shit i never learned but shit i never learned
01:03:59.320 but i've been sleeping with one ear wide awake and watching all the gathering crowds
01:04:14.280 i've been mapping out what i'm gonna take when the dynamite blows the glass out
01:04:24.200 i'd rather want to be sedated i'd rather be awake and cry and scream
01:04:30.200 i'd rather be scared than 80 because it's what i want to be
01:04:40.120 me take a step back girl i'm having trouble trouble to be
01:04:46.120 I'm reeling from that double, double heat
01:04:50.060 Of the black stuff
01:04:52.380 And all the worms
01:04:54.160 They say I never learn
01:04:56.020 I never wanna learn
01:04:58.700 I'm doing crimes, I'm doing crimes
01:05:03.540 I'm doing crimes, I'm doing crimes
01:05:08.100 I'm doing crimes, I'm doing crimes
01:05:11.280 And I get by and it's just fine
01:05:16.120 I'm doing crimes, I'm doing crimes
01:05:20.060 I'm doing crimes, I'm doing crimes
01:05:25.100 I'm doing crimes, I'm doing crimes
01:05:27.700 And I get by and it's just fine
01:05:29.960 I'm doing crimes