kinsellacast - KINSELLACAST 341： Go for your walk in the snow - now! With Lilley, Mraz, Kheiriddin, Johal, Belanger and Mulroney! Hot Nasties new tune debut! Primetime Failure, Porridge Radio, Taxi Girls, Pom Pom Squad and Fear!

00:00:00.000 It's the KinsellaCast, starring Warren Kinsella.

00:00:15.900 Hey, it's Warren Buffett, the KinsellaCast.

00:00:18.300 Oh, oh, oh, dates away from Christmas.

00:00:21.720 Last night, however, at the East Barn, we had a wonderful meal,

00:00:26.240 lots of ball soup, latkes, and brisket.

00:00:28.780 It was great.

00:00:31.080 My sons are arriving today.

00:00:33.560 My daughter a few days after Christmas.

00:00:36.160 That kind of sucks, but welcome to air travel in Canada.

00:00:40.740 And I hope all of you are getting ready for a great Christmas.

00:00:45.120 Those of you who celebrate Hanukkah landing on the same day.

00:00:48.800 So we've got our candles ready for Hanukkah.

00:00:52.320 We've got the tree ready for Christmas.

00:00:54.140 We're ready for everything.

00:00:55.440 And I regret to tell you, like, it's, we don't have much to talk about this week

00:01:01.340 with Brian Lilly or John Mraz or Jazz Joel Hall or Tasha Carradine or Carl Belanger.

00:01:08.040 Ben Mulrutt.

00:01:08.900 Like, we don't, there's nothing to talk about.

00:01:11.580 Kind of exciting.

00:01:15.380 And by the way, liberals, any of you liberals listening?

00:01:18.280 It's like, oh yeah, that Kinsella guy, he's angry.

00:01:20.740 He's on the outside.

00:01:22.040 Who cares about him?

00:01:23.020 He's wrong about Justin.

00:01:24.920 Oh yeah?

00:01:26.180 Looks like you've all kind of come around to my point of view.

00:01:29.960 Sort of get kind of boastful in that way, but it is quite amusing.

00:01:34.240 So with lots of talk about this crazy week in Canadian politics with the aforementioned people.

00:01:40.420 And I've got a world debut.

00:01:43.300 The Hot Nasties.

00:01:44.280 The Hot Nasties.

00:01:46.260 Rockin' Al.

00:01:47.640 Raspierre.

00:01:48.500 We got together a few weeks ago, recorded a new tune.

00:01:52.260 Our producer, our producer, Annalise, put it together.

00:01:56.660 It sounds pretty good, so we're going to leave with that.

00:01:58.560 Then Primetime Failure.

00:02:00.160 A German skate punk band.

00:02:02.020 We're just great.

00:02:02.880 Yeah, they say, we've got three chords and it's enough.

00:02:05.520 And they're right.

00:02:06.080 It is enough.

00:02:07.860 Porridge Radio from Brighton.

00:02:09.560 Been around for a bit of a decade.

00:02:11.800 And Dana McGrawlian is the front person of Porridge Radio.

00:02:17.460 Taxi Girls from Montreal.

00:02:19.620 If you were to take the offspring of Iggy Pop and Nobro, who are, by the way, extremely similar.

00:02:25.880 Nobro, also from Montreal.

00:02:28.120 It would produce Janine and Vera and Lynn.

00:02:33.420 The Taxi Girls from Montreal.

00:02:35.120 Check them out.

00:02:35.680 Pom Pom Squad.

00:02:37.260 Pom Pom Squad is just really one person.

00:02:39.800 Solo Project.

00:02:41.900 Was it Mira Bevan?

00:02:43.780 Mira Baron?

00:02:44.740 Anyway, from Brooklyn.

00:02:45.820 Solo Project.

00:02:46.400 And she's got a cover of Tommy James and Shondell's 1968 hit, Crimson and Clover, which spent 16 weeks on the charts.

00:02:57.740 Number one in the United States and elsewhere.

00:02:59.680 And I think her version is better than Tommy James.

00:03:03.060 Sorry, Tommy James.

00:03:04.660 So, great, great show prior to the holidays kicking off.

00:03:10.000 And then I think I'll have another show for you.

00:03:12.160 Maybe truncated, as it were, just before the New Year.

00:03:17.140 The thing you need to understand about Justin Trudeau is he doesn't live a life like you and I do.

00:03:27.660 He's like David Bowie in Nicholas Roeg's The Man to Failed Earth.

00:03:32.960 Like, he's impossibly good-looking and fabulously rich and effortlessly charismatic.

00:03:39.040 But he's an alien.

00:03:41.460 Now, J.R. Butts and I used to be close.

00:03:43.100 One time he invited me to his birthday dinner.

00:03:46.200 And it was him and his wife and me and mine.

00:03:48.100 And Trudeau swept in late, of course.

00:03:50.360 And it was really the first time I got to examine him close up.

00:03:53.380 And if you'd said he was breathing a different air than the rest of us, I would have believed it.

00:03:57.980 Like, he was the center of the room.

00:03:59.600 And everything was in his orbit.

00:04:01.720 And later on, I asked my wife about his obvious charisma.

00:04:05.060 And she said to me, you know, every woman wants to be with him, even the married ones.

00:04:10.200 But she used different words than be with, if you know what I mean.

00:04:15.700 Anyway, being a political guy, I was always on the lookout for talent.

00:04:18.600 And I thought Trudeau should run.

00:04:19.980 And Butts said to me, not yet.

00:04:21.880 Wait.

00:04:22.520 Okay.

00:04:23.380 So, when Trudeau's dad died, Justin gave the eulogy.

00:04:27.740 And Butts told me he wrote it.

00:04:31.880 But Justin Trudeau delivered the eulogy, like every single word in dramatic pause,

00:04:36.620 had been forged in the crucible of his soul.

00:04:39.660 It seared.

00:04:40.540 It soared.

00:04:41.220 It was the start of his prime ministerial campaign.

00:04:44.760 I was concerned, however.

00:04:46.620 Everybody else in Canada thought the eulogy came from the depths of Justin Trudeau's grief.

00:04:51.500 But I knew it came from Gerald Butts' typewriter.

00:04:55.600 So I started to wonder if Justin Trudeau was a bit of a phony.

00:04:58.820 And yes, like, yes.

00:05:01.200 I know the political species.

00:05:03.260 I've been around it my entire life.

00:05:04.740 They're almost all phonies.

00:05:06.260 Like the liberal MP I ran into a few days ago at the liquor store.

00:05:09.860 And I said to him, you know, wow, you're making this big and selfless decision to leave public life.

00:05:14.960 And he said, oh, well, there may be a cabinet shuffle.

00:05:17.000 I'll stay for that.

00:05:18.220 So he did.

00:05:18.960 And on Friday, he got his wish.

00:05:20.620 Good morning, minister phony, minister of housing.

00:05:24.340 Anyway, they're all actors.

00:05:26.700 You know, they don't say that Ottawa is Hollywood for ugly people for nothing, you know.

00:05:31.280 But Trudeau's acting ability was like nothing I'd ever seen.

00:05:34.760 And like, as the country would eventually discover, he could be hooked up to a battery of lie detectors and say that he's a fiscal conservative or that he'd never, ever worn blackface to parties with other rich white people to get a laugh or that he never, ever has been accused of groping a woman at a beer festival in B.C.

00:05:52.300 Like, it wouldn't register a blip.

00:05:55.920 The needle wouldn't move.

00:05:57.520 He is one of those liars who lies so effortlessly.

00:06:00.800 You can tell he believes his own lies and he achieves that state of gracelessness by never exposing himself to contrary facts.

00:06:09.920 Let me tell you what I mean.

00:06:11.220 And this is the God's truth.

00:06:12.440 He doesn't pay any attention whatsoever to the news media.

00:06:15.580 Like, he regarded the news media as fake news long before Donald Trump and his wing monkeys claimed to copyright the phrase.

00:06:21.900 Like, Trudeau will do an event and then hop back on his Challenger jet and start scrolling through pictures of himself on Instagram.

00:06:28.520 He doesn't give a shit about what people like me have to say.

00:06:33.180 And he's aided and embedded in this by his Lady Macbeth, which is Katie Telford, his chief of staff.

00:06:39.380 And I explained the Telford-Trudeau relationship to a liberal senator this week.

00:06:43.460 And I said it was like coaching a sumo wrestler.

00:06:46.760 Like, she feeds him candies and keeps him in the dark.

00:06:49.680 And this liberal senator was laughing, so I thought he was going to have a stroke.

00:06:52.780 But anyway, that is the main insight I can offer about Justin.

00:06:56.360 He's a space alien.

00:06:58.120 And he doesn't read me or Brian Lilly or anyone.

00:07:01.640 Like, it's never occurred to him to even try.

00:07:04.420 So he lives in a separate reality than you and I.

00:07:07.680 Until the past week or so, when his universe shifted.

00:07:11.900 He, the anti-racist, feminist, middle-class guy, fired Krista Freeland to clear the runway for another rich, white guy.

00:07:21.220 And she hit back with the ferocity that only a spurned cultist possesses.

00:07:26.600 Which is Kinsella in political rule number two, by the way.

00:07:29.640 Never fire someone who knows a lot of stuff about you during a crisis.

00:07:32.660 Anyway, her dear Justin letter, notwithstanding, Freeland's freefall was relevant not because she's become an 11th hour convert to fiscal probity.

00:07:43.340 She hasn't.

00:07:44.540 Or that having been a key member of the government that is itself a costly political gimmick, she now objects to costly political gimmicks.

00:07:53.240 She doesn't.

00:07:53.900 Her letter was relevant because it exposed him, the alien, to the unvarnished reality down here on Earth for the first time.

00:08:03.900 With his own baby blues, Trudeau saw Freeland getting a standing ovation when she walked into the Liberal caucus this week.

00:08:10.040 He saw, with his own eyes, a bigger lineup for her than for him at the Liberal Christmas party.

00:08:15.780 He saw Liberal MP after Liberal MP get up on their hind legs, finally, and bleed out that he should go.

00:08:23.900 Will he?

00:08:25.300 His capacity for self-delusion and bullshit is bottomless, but I still think he will.

00:08:31.840 He's finally seen that the jig is up, and he may be a total jerk, but he's not a total idiot.

00:08:37.660 But here is the problem.

00:08:39.740 David Bowie's character, his alien character, and the man who fell to Earth, he never did leave.

00:08:46.560 Why?

00:08:47.000 He waited too long to return to his home planet, because he thought he was loved by everybody down on Earth.

00:08:55.620 He wasn't.

00:08:56.600 God's record, start-up man, take you back to where it began.

00:09:24.780 Playin' all night till the sun comes up.

00:09:28.480 God, no time to play a grown-up.

00:09:35.300 Time, time, time goes fast.

00:09:38.880 Who goes first, who goes last?

00:09:42.400 Hold on me, hold fast.

00:09:45.660 Time, time, time goes fast.

00:09:48.780 Ramones, jackets, dirty bars, clash mix tapes, PS car.

00:10:09.340 We knew the worst, we knew the worst that we did.

00:10:13.040 You'll never die if you're a kid.

00:10:19.840 Time, time, time goes fast.

00:10:23.340 Who goes first, who goes last?

00:10:26.960 Hold on me, hold fast.

00:10:30.340 Time, time, time goes fast.

00:10:33.440 Fire up the amp, slam on me.

00:11:03.420 All this time, all this time, all this time, wait for nothing.

00:11:08.120 Better go boldly, better be bold.

00:11:11.480 There's no more time to be all alone.

00:11:18.140 Time, time, time goes fast.

00:11:21.660 Who goes first, who goes last?

00:11:25.220 Hold on me, hold fast.

00:11:27.420 Time, time, time, time goes fast.

00:11:32.120 Time, time, time goes fast.

00:11:35.480 Who goes first, who goes last?

00:11:38.960 Hold on me, hold fast.

00:11:41.420 And we're back.

00:11:49.020 We're back with John Morass.

00:11:50.160 John, you and I, you know, we've been liberals.

00:11:53.920 That's how we met.

00:11:55.140 We were both working for Michael Ignatieff,

00:11:59.100 blessedly, for a short period of time.

00:12:00.860 And we became friends.

00:12:04.160 And, you know, you've run liberal campaigns and worked on them.

00:12:10.320 So have I.

00:12:11.820 And, you know, we've been involved in the Liberal Party of Canada for a long time.

00:12:14.680 And it actually kind of, for the first time, feels to me like the Liberal Party maybe won't die if it doesn't resolve its current problems.

00:12:25.320 But it certainly could disappear for many, many, many, many years.

00:12:28.500 Probably I'll be dead by the time it, you know, comes back into power.

00:12:32.560 What do you think?

00:12:33.200 What do you think?

00:12:33.680 Just observing.

00:12:34.520 You and I have been talking about international affairs usually on the podcast.

00:12:39.220 But Canada became international news this week because of what Christopher Freeland did.

00:12:43.140 and Justin Trudeau's predicament and so on.

00:12:47.680 Where do you think this, maybe we should start with this, where do you think this is going to go?

00:12:55.060 Well, you know, I think about this every day.

00:12:58.400 I think about two things.

00:12:59.900 First of all, I think about the history of Canada and its storied two parties, really, first,

00:13:05.780 which were the Liberal Party and the Conservative Party, the Cori's and the Gret's.

00:13:10.980 And those were religious parties, as you know.

00:13:15.040 Liberals were the Catholic Party and the Tories were the Protestant Party.

00:13:19.340 And the Tories remain very much a new incarnation of sort of the Christian nationalism that informs Trump.

00:13:26.780 And the Liberal Party are no longer the Catholic Party.

00:13:30.780 They're very much a secular party, a globalist party, and a social democratic party.

00:13:34.660 And not very much informed by their storied history and success in Confederation.

00:13:42.620 Justin Trudeau seems wholly disassociated from reality.

00:13:46.800 He has an active, it's not a fifth column, it's a first, second, third, fourth, and fifth column working against him now.

00:13:57.460 Because the members of the Liberal Party recognize exactly what you just said so well,

00:14:03.820 which is that we are on the precipice of disappearing, perhaps in the same way that the old Tories did

00:14:10.580 and then had to reincarnate themselves as the, you know, the Reform Party.

00:14:15.440 Now, their new incarnation is the party of Pierre Polyèvre,

00:14:19.700 who speaks a pretty strong Christian nationalist game.

00:14:24.340 So, you're right.

00:14:25.780 The future of the Liberal Party itself is at stake now.

00:14:30.000 But more importantly, I think we're international news because Christian Freeland's departure opens the door for Trump,

00:14:38.800 who people seem to think is just trolling Canada when he speaks of us as the 51st state,

00:14:45.420 when he speaks of Justin Trudeau as the governor of Canada or one of the back legs as the mayor of Canada,

00:14:52.900 and of their ambition to see sort of a George Orwellian continental entity,

00:15:02.120 maybe even including Mexico, of North American interests informed by Christian nationalism,

00:15:09.740 because the Liberal Party has not been strong enough to defend our very national interests of sovereignty.

00:15:18.280 And Pierre Polyèvre, by the way, has not been particularly forceful in his pushback.

00:15:22.760 All right.

00:15:23.180 We'll get to Polyèvre.

00:15:25.200 Okay.

00:15:25.580 Because you and I share, I think, the same views on him as well.

00:15:29.560 But, you know, you, as I said off the top, as somebody who run campaigns,

00:15:34.280 and you know a million liberals.

00:15:36.360 Yeah.

00:15:36.520 And you've been like me, you know, where you've been disaffected and moved away from the Liberal Party,

00:15:41.100 not a member anymore.

00:15:42.120 I don't think you are.

00:15:43.040 I certainly am not.

00:15:44.600 No.

00:15:44.880 But, you know, we've been hearing from people all week.

00:15:49.460 And so I'm curious, without naming names, what you've been hearing from people on the inside,

00:15:55.760 and just about the inside, about where they think this is going to go, and where it should go.

00:16:01.420 What are you hearing?

00:16:03.820 Well, first of all, most of the liberals I know, if they still are members or identify as liberals,

00:16:09.280 aren't telling anybody that.

00:16:12.260 They don't speak at the Liberal Party.

00:16:13.720 They say, oh, I'm really not a member of Trudeau's party.

00:16:16.640 But they might caveat that by saying, but I'm still a small L liberal.

00:16:21.280 Not a capital L liberal, but a small L liberal.

00:16:25.220 And they recognize that we are living on fumes.

00:16:29.660 And I think the smart set also recognize that if you look at the list of leadership candidates,

00:16:35.500 which is, I think, where you're trying to lead me, and rightfully so,

00:16:38.740 if you look at the folks who sort of might want to inherit the estate,

00:16:43.120 Chrystia Freeland seems like she might be one of them, Dominic LeBlanc, there's a few others,

00:16:48.240 Mark Carney, the guy who never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity to start his political career,

00:16:53.220 and who's more likely to become the finance minister at this point, I think of the Tories, than he is of the Liberal Party.

00:17:01.360 I think for us to reinvigorate ourselves, to make ourselves relevant to Canadians again,

00:17:11.620 if we are Liberals, small L Liberals, or we once again, you and I become capital L Liberals,

00:17:16.980 we need an entirely new set of candidates,

00:17:19.280 because I can't think of a single Liberal leadership candidate or aspirant

00:17:24.160 that isn't tied to the sinking ship dragged down by the anchor that is Trudeau of his incarnation of our once storied party.

00:17:36.040 I do not identify myself as capital L Liberals anymore, and haven't for, well, since he became Prime Minister,

00:17:42.020 I don't think he's a Liberal.

00:17:43.840 No, he's a New Democrat.

00:17:46.060 Well, there are some names out there who are on the outside.

00:17:49.040 The one I really like, you know, because I tend to be a Western Canadian,

00:17:54.720 and because I'm a kind of a Blue Liberal, is Christy Clark,

00:18:00.220 because she's a Westerner and kind of a Blue Liberal, and also a woman.

00:18:06.520 And like, that, to me, one thing that was kind of left out of the mix this week

00:18:12.580 was the appalling treatment that Trudeau has meted out to Christopher Ferland,

00:18:18.820 and not just, you know, by firing her by Zoom on Friday and saying,

00:18:23.320 oh, by the way, can you keep delivering the fall economic statement on Monday and then quit?

00:18:29.140 But, you know, leaking against her and humiliating her since the summer,

00:18:32.740 and she sucked it up and took it as she has.

00:18:36.140 You know, she's a member of a cult, so, you know, they do that.

00:18:38.820 But she finally had had enough.

00:18:41.500 Like, I think there's been precious little attention that paid to the fact that

00:18:45.420 if you ever wanted proof that this son of a bitch is not a feminist,

00:18:50.300 you got it in abundance this week.

00:18:53.900 Justin Trudeau, look how he treated this woman.

00:18:56.940 What do you think about that?

00:18:58.880 I'm going to push back on you a bit.

00:19:00.580 I think he's actually quite bisexual in his enmity to all human beings.

00:19:04.960 I think he treats men and women equally poorly.

00:19:08.500 Fair enough.

00:19:10.100 You know, it doesn't, of course, help that he keeps on telling us that he's a feminist.

00:19:17.160 The mother of my childhood, I think one of the most powerful women

00:19:20.180 and inspirational women I know, always told me,

00:19:22.620 the job of a man is not to convince women around him that he's a feminist.

00:19:27.440 The job of a man who is a feminist is to say nothing

00:19:31.140 and speak to men who are chauvinists when women aren't around about their prejudice.

00:19:37.140 Well said.

00:19:38.060 Well said.

00:19:38.600 So that's how I would approach it.

00:19:41.800 Justin Trudeau, I mean, I'd like him to take a long walk in the slush.

00:19:45.940 Not snow.

00:19:47.340 So that's what I'd like him to do.

00:19:49.280 And with respect to Christy Clark, because I worked out west

00:19:51.660 and lived out there a bit as well.

00:19:52.940 Yeah, yeah, you did.

00:19:53.420 Well, I'm aware of her and her former partner,

00:19:57.560 who was sort of a big deal in the Liberal Party as well, Mark.

00:20:01.240 At one point, her battle will be, and she's a very capable politician,

00:20:07.440 and I hope she does join the race.

00:20:09.420 She is somebody not tied to the anchor and sinking ship

00:20:13.620 that is Trudeau's Liberal Party.

00:20:15.840 I think her battle will be, first of all, Quebec.

00:20:19.460 I'm not sure how good her friendship is.

00:20:22.380 Yeah, yeah.

00:20:23.140 I'm told it's not great.

00:20:24.140 But more importantly, I don't think most people west, pardon me,

00:20:27.080 east of Alberta have any idea who Christy Clark is at all.

00:20:30.900 Mm-hmm.

00:20:31.780 You and I do.

00:20:33.060 Yeah.

00:20:33.260 But we're inside.

00:20:34.820 Fair enough.

00:20:35.820 Fair enough.

00:20:37.000 So Trudeau's gotten a respite until we should end up this way,

00:20:43.220 because people are saying, well, what's going to happen now?

00:20:45.200 I thought he was going to quit Monday night.

00:20:46.780 He was never going to quit on Monday night.

00:20:48.580 However, he's got some runway now until January the 27th, when the House comes back.

00:20:54.720 But even then, he's got some runway, because the opposition parties, as you know,

00:21:00.020 under the rules of the House of Commons, don't have an opportunity.

00:21:02.880 They don't have a so-called opposition day until March to vote him down,

00:21:07.680 which Jagmeet Singh has now finally said he's going to do.

00:21:11.320 So Trudeau's got some time.

00:21:13.140 Does the Liberal Party have some time, if he says, you know,

00:21:16.780 I've written a letter to the President of the Liberal Party

00:21:18.900 and go for a leadership convention, and it's been the greatest honor of my life,

00:21:22.720 blah, blah, blah.

00:21:24.220 Does the Liberal Party of Canada have enough time, John Mraz,

00:21:28.020 as a guy who has put these together, to run a proper leadership convention

00:21:33.060 and rehabilitate itself in time for the next election?

00:21:37.400 You know, as you asked that, I don't know why I thought of this.

00:21:40.520 Probably Donald Trump.

00:21:41.260 I thought of Hannibal Lecter.

00:21:43.280 Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.

00:21:47.380 That's my mental illness.

00:21:49.200 No, I don't think we do have enough time.

00:21:51.040 And I keep on hearing rumors that it has nothing to do with pensions,

00:21:56.060 that Justin Trudeau wants to hold until June so he can be the grand,

00:22:01.660 the elder statesman of the next G7 meeting, which is possible.

00:22:06.540 Oh, interesting.

00:22:07.060 But we do now know that the new Socialist Party, it's no longer the Christian,

00:22:15.000 it's no longer the CCF, it's no longer the NDP,

00:22:18.380 it is now the party of not even lipstick limousine people,

00:22:21.500 but lipstick Maserati people,

00:22:23.440 that they say they're going to bring down the government march,

00:22:27.320 which they very much could, the Ides of March coming.

00:22:30.480 I think any leadership contest, even if it were to start today,

00:22:38.420 should and would take longer if it was to produce an effective result of new ideas,

00:22:43.420 new personalities, and a vigorous debate longer than three months.

00:22:46.140 So we're going to end up with, whether they're elected by straw poll,

00:22:50.540 by electronic poll, or by a quickly organized national convention,

00:22:55.860 an interim leader who will be slaughtered, I hope not as badly as Kim Campbell,

00:23:01.620 you know, this upcoming spring.

00:23:04.520 And so, no, I don't think we have enough time.

00:23:06.580 I think that the entire party's architecture needs to be deconstructed

00:23:10.560 and reassembled on new, firm foundations of a solid set of policies

00:23:15.380 that are liberal, centrist, pragmatic,

00:23:19.220 and not driven by personality, but by principles.

00:23:24.620 Well said, well said.

00:23:26.480 John Mraz for leader.

00:23:28.240 He's my guy.

00:23:29.660 Oh, pass.

00:23:30.500 John Mraz, I know you don't celebrate, I know you don't observe,

00:23:33.820 but let me say just the same,

00:23:36.940 Happy Hanukkah, Merry Christmas,

00:23:39.480 and have a great week,

00:23:42.100 and hopefully you have some time for next week's show

00:23:46.260 because that'll be just before the new year,

00:23:49.240 so we'll be able to do our year's winners and losers,

00:23:52.940 and we'll have some fun with that.

00:23:54.620 But in the meantime, thank you.

00:23:57.480 Let's hope for a week of peace.

00:23:59.640 All the same wishes back to you.

00:24:01.700 Aiko Aiko.

00:24:03.820 Aiko Aiko.

00:24:09.480 Aiko Aiko loop.

00:24:19.360 Aiko Aiko.

00:24:19.860 Aiko Aiko.

00:24:22.360 Aiko.

00:24:22.720 All plumber, rainy summer nights

00:24:24.920 I'm pretty proud to be my Ethan Lime

00:24:27.840 It makes me look smoke, it's fading

00:24:31.100 Memories keep burning

00:24:33.420 Makes me sad, but I still feel alright

00:24:36.500 One summer night felt like a life star

00:24:40.420 When we were younger

00:24:44.460 A broken heart fell like the end of the world

00:24:49.940 No one's stuck here at the end of the world

00:24:54.800 Laying on a snow platter scale

00:24:58.200 Nothing really matters, all the baggage that we

00:25:01.880 Lived up in this red race

00:25:04.160 Laying on a snow platter scale

00:25:06.940 Nothing really matters, all the baggage that we

00:25:10.660 Lived up in this red race

00:25:19.940 Thoughts and dreams are dashing by

00:25:32.540 While I'm free-falling from cloud nine

00:25:34.760 Eyes wide open, a curse has been run

00:25:37.600 Time for no screen-light station

00:25:40.980 We spark ignition

00:25:42.860 Counting down once the gift be undone

00:25:46.380 We'll take it at the counter

00:25:50.240 For a disaster

00:25:53.920 For a disaster

00:25:56.080 Say goodbye to everyone, take your time

00:25:59.880 And time is sure we've reached the end of the line

00:26:04.420 Laying on a snow platter scale

00:26:07.640 Nothing really matters, all the baggage that we

00:26:11.700 Lived up in this red race

00:26:14.020 Laying on a snow platter scale

00:26:16.780 Nothing really matters, all the baggage that we

00:26:20.460 Lived up in this red race

00:26:22.720 Times were bad

00:26:42.540 Times were bad

00:26:44.580 But it's no fault, I guess I'm singing it higher

00:26:49.040 Times were bad

00:26:53.800 Yet it's no fault, I guess I'm singing it higher

00:26:58.260 Times were bad

00:27:00.260 Times were bad

00:27:02.560 But it's no fault, I guess I'm singing it mid

00:27:07.140 Times were bad

00:27:09.300 Times were bad

00:27:10.980 Because it's no fault, I guess I'm singing it higher

00:27:15.260 Just because you're 25

00:27:17.100 Obviously, I'm all gone and fine

00:27:19.380 It's been a whole thing about our hands, I've been trying

00:27:22.680 I just want you to tell me

00:27:25.260 Obviously, I'm all gone and fine

00:27:28.040 It's been a whole thing about our hands, I've been trying

00:27:31.300 Laying on us to the water

00:27:34.760 There's nothing really matters

00:27:37.000 All about each driveway

00:27:38.840 I'm dumping this right race

00:27:41.280 Laying on us to the water

00:27:43.480 There's nothing really matters

00:27:45.720 All about each driveway

00:27:47.420 I'm dumping this right race

00:27:49.980 Laying on us to the water

00:27:52.200 There's nothing really matters

00:27:54.440 All about each driveway

00:27:56.140 I'm dumping this right race

00:27:58.740 Laying on us to the water

00:28:00.980 Nothing really matters

00:28:03.500 Nothing really matters

00:28:13.640 And welcome to it.

00:28:14.820 Our last political panel of 2024

00:28:16.840 And a couple of things to talk about this week

00:28:19.380 Joining us to chat this morning is the president at Traction Strategies

00:28:22.080 He is Carl Belanger

00:28:23.300 Carl, good morning

00:28:24.120 Thanks for joining us

00:28:25.080 Good morning

00:28:25.860 Warren Kinsella is here

00:28:27.200 He is a strategist and post-media columnist

00:28:28.820 You can read his latest in the Toronto Sun

00:28:30.640 Good morning, Warren

00:28:31.320 Happy New Year

00:28:32.860 Happy kind of New Year, almost

00:28:34.560 Tasha Carradine is also here

00:28:36.300 Political columnist for the National Post

00:28:37.840 And writer for GZERO Media

00:28:39.280 Tasha, good morning

00:28:40.420 Ho, ho, ho

00:28:42.040 Ho, ho, ho

00:28:43.120 Well, I'm wondering what's on the Prime Minister's Christmas list this year

00:28:45.720 But, you know, I was kind of thinking this week

00:28:47.460 This was supposed to be cruise control, right?

00:28:49.440 We were supposed to get this economic statement on Monday

00:28:51.540 The Trudeau government was going to ride off into the sunset

00:28:53.920 Of this legislative session, I suppose

00:28:56.220 On Tuesday and everything was going to be fine

00:28:58.040 Obviously, it did not turn out that way

00:29:00.380 Christopher Freeland resigning on Monday

00:29:02.580 Just a few hours ahead of that fall economic statement

00:29:04.920 And I think that's where we'll start this week

00:29:07.040 Because that kind of sparked all of this political chaos

00:29:09.260 Carl, I'll start with you

00:29:10.880 I'm not sure much would surprise you guys anymore

00:29:13.460 But were you surprised by this last-minute resignation?

00:29:16.380 Well, of course

00:29:17.100 I've never

00:29:18.540 I don't remember any kind of resignation like that

00:29:22.280 Where a mere hour

00:29:24.760 Before the journalists were to go into the lock-up

00:29:28.820 To get brief about what's in that statement

00:29:30.960 You know, the Minister of Finance resigned

00:29:33.680 So it's been like washing a car accident in slow motion

00:29:38.360 With this liberal government

00:29:40.080 And what you've got now is a government in full crisis mode

00:29:45.080 With the Prime Minister who has lost most of its authority

00:29:48.960 But yet, somehow, seems intent to stay

00:29:52.520 Seems intent to stick around

00:29:54.260 And he's been allowed to

00:29:56.840 Namely because it took so long for the NDP to realize

00:30:01.160 That the time was up

00:30:02.400 And now they've changed their tune

00:30:04.380 But they have no opportunity to bring him down

00:30:07.400 So it'll be interesting to see

00:30:09.200 If, you know, you were talking about a gift

00:30:12.240 For Justin Trudeau

00:30:14.940 Well, we can only hope that he will receive a nice snowfall

00:30:19.160 Over the holidays

00:30:20.000 So he can take that proverbial walk in the snow

00:30:22.620 And make a good decision for his own good

00:30:25.360 And for the good of the country

00:30:26.460 Well, and plenty of snow there to not wait

00:30:28.640 He can go now if he really wanted to

00:30:30.300 But you said like 12 things that we want to pick up on

00:30:33.380 Obviously, Carl here

00:30:34.200 There's a lot of moving parts

00:30:35.380 But Tasha, just from your perspective

00:30:38.560 Just a surprise this week

00:30:40.060 Obviously on Monday

00:30:40.880 Oh, yes

00:30:42.760 No, it caught everyone by surprise

00:30:44.800 Did not see that coming

00:30:46.020 And it set in motion

00:30:49.200 This sort of this week of a cascade of events

00:30:52.560 And that was the, you know, the interesting part

00:30:55.040 It just did not stop

00:30:56.180 So you had Chrystia Freeland quitting

00:30:58.720 And then you had the sort of like chickens without heads

00:31:01.220 Who's going to present the statement?

00:31:02.500 Who's going to present the statement?

00:31:03.640 Nobody knew

00:31:04.280 I mean, it was a statement without a speaker

00:31:06.360 And that, of course, set in motion

00:31:08.600 The thought that, oh, everyone's refusing to step into these shoes

00:31:12.180 Well, what does that mean?

00:31:13.220 Does that mean that they are all hedging their bets on the leader?

00:31:17.660 And then you had the statement

00:31:18.620 And the statement, you know, kind of felt

00:31:20.480 Got ignored in all this chaos

00:31:22.340 Which it should have been the focus of the week

00:31:24.660 The deficit number didn't get ignored

00:31:26.540 It was huge, $62 billion

00:31:28.220 But the rest of it just kind of fell away

00:31:31.900 And it became this continuing psychodrama all week

00:31:35.160 Of what's the prime minister?

00:31:37.020 And where is the prime minister?

00:31:38.360 What's he going to do?

00:31:39.440 We didn't hear from the prime minister

00:31:41.040 He sort of, he also, he went to see caucus

00:31:43.740 And then we saw them through the window

00:31:45.360 And it was like, I mean, it was just

00:31:47.540 It was on and on and on all week long

00:31:50.280 To the point then when Jagmeet Singh said

00:31:52.480 Okay, we have no confidence

00:31:54.840 We're going to vote no confidence

00:31:56.060 But we can't have a vote

00:31:58.020 He didn't say that part, but we all knew it

00:31:59.660 And then Pierre Polyev came in and said

00:32:01.900 I'm writing to the governor general to, you know

00:32:04.380 Ask her to reconvene parliament

00:32:06.080 And so we can have, and tell

00:32:07.260 And basically tell the prime minister

00:32:09.480 We should have a vote

00:32:10.440 Which isn't her role at all

00:32:11.880 But it's good theater

00:32:13.020 It made it look like he was proactive

00:32:14.780 So everyone was trying to get in on this

00:32:16.660 After Christopher Freeland set the dominoes falling

00:32:18.820 Which was the amazing thing

00:32:20.460 And now, yes, Christmas is coming

00:32:22.500 It's the prime minister's birthday

00:32:24.000 Time to give everyone a present

00:32:26.000 And just stop it

00:32:27.360 And go and next

00:32:29.260 Stop it, go next

00:32:31.480 I think that's probably the great motto

00:32:32.840 That the liberals should probably listen to right now

00:32:34.800 But, you know, Warren, in watching all of this

00:32:36.680 I think Tasha kind of summed up the week's events

00:32:39.300 Very succinctly there

00:32:40.100 Also, great impression of Pierre Polyev, Tasha

00:32:42.400 But, Warren, were you surprised by this?

00:32:45.640 I know you've had a lot of, you know

00:32:47.560 Consternation and criticism of the liberal government

00:32:49.700 But were you surprised even by this?

00:32:52.200 I was surprised

00:32:53.400 Was I surprised?

00:32:54.540 I guess I was surprised she did this

00:32:56.720 You know, because, you know

00:32:58.980 In her letter, she suggested she was concerned

00:33:01.460 About the fiscal state of the country

00:33:03.160 She isn't

00:33:04.820 She wasn't before

00:33:06.200 You know, she suggested

00:33:08.160 That she's concerned about the way

00:33:10.140 In which the government conducts itself

00:33:11.700 Political gimmicks, as she put it

00:33:13.320 She was never concerned about that before

00:33:15.540 But it was a culmination, I guess

00:33:17.980 More than a surprise

00:33:19.180 What is the legacy of this man

00:33:22.060 After a decade?

00:33:23.940 Because that's clearly what he's been after

00:33:25.940 Is a decade in power

00:33:27.200 You know, the blackface

00:33:29.180 And groping

00:33:30.160 And Aga Khan

00:33:31.080 And We Scandal

00:33:32.160 And SNC-Lavalin

00:33:33.880 No balanced budgets

00:33:35.360 And the Liberal Party

00:33:37.000 Eliminated

00:33:38.320 As a choice

00:33:39.640 At the provincial level

00:33:40.720 Across the country

00:33:41.740 And now this

00:33:43.580 Like, this is the culmination

00:33:45.960 Of his legacy

00:33:47.800 And it was always headed to this moment

00:33:51.580 If he didn't have the self-awareness

00:33:54.140 To realize

00:33:55.480 That it was over

00:33:56.440 Not now

00:33:57.460 It was over a year ago

00:33:59.540 Because Pierre Polyev

00:34:02.120 And, you know, we should talk about Polyev too

00:34:04.180 That gap

00:34:05.660 That 22 to 23 point gap

00:34:08.180 Which suggests the Liberal Party

00:34:09.580 Is going to go down to

00:34:10.640 As few as 14 seats

00:34:12.660 It's not because people are in love

00:34:14.880 With Pierre Polyev

00:34:15.720 He's actually not a very lovable guy

00:34:18.240 Maybe he'd be one of the first to admit it

00:34:20.080 It's all because people

00:34:22.500 Can't stand Justin Trudeau

00:34:25.080 Liberals included

00:34:26.700 They just want him gone

00:34:28.520 And they've wanted him gone

00:34:30.040 For quite some time

00:34:30.980 For all those reasons I cited

00:34:32.440 And a whole bunch more

00:34:33.960 And he hasn't paid attention to that

00:34:36.700 We can all speculate

00:34:37.720 You know, about his psychology

00:34:39.600 We can speculate

00:34:40.500 Is it Katie Telford

00:34:41.720 Sheltering him from reality?

00:34:44.160 You know, whatever the reason is

00:34:45.660 They've made a terrible, terrible error

00:34:48.420 They've made a huge mistake

00:34:50.220 And he's just got to go

00:34:52.780 Like it's over

00:34:54.360 It's so decidedly over

00:34:56.700 And, you know, he's got days

00:34:59.440 To figure it out

00:35:00.240 January 27th

00:35:02.240 The first confidence motion

00:35:04.040 That he's going to be facing

00:35:05.380 Those opposition day motions

00:35:07.000 They can push them back

00:35:08.600 As much as they want

00:35:09.660 But, you know, we're looking

00:35:11.340 At those votes taking place

00:35:12.760 With the NDP

00:35:13.420 Or the Tories

00:35:14.340 Or whoever

00:35:14.900 Sometime in the month of March

00:35:16.860 Probably around the middle of March

00:35:18.240 And then it's over

00:35:19.500 So he's got to go before then

00:35:21.880 He's got to say I'm leaving

00:35:23.140 And you mentioned

00:35:24.500 Winston Polly over Trudeau

00:35:25.500 I want to talk about both of them

00:35:26.520 But you also mentioned

00:35:27.160 The NDP there

00:35:27.980 And just

00:35:28.240 Carl, from the perspective

00:35:30.320 Of Jagmeet Singh right now

00:35:31.380 You know, there's been

00:35:32.840 A couple of confidence votes

00:35:33.780 Over the last few weeks

00:35:34.620 So the NDP had their opportunity now

00:35:36.460 Now all of a sudden

00:35:37.480 With all of this chaos this week

00:35:38.680 Now that, you know

00:35:39.360 They're in kind of

00:35:39.980 A political safe space

00:35:41.080 For lack of a better word

00:35:41.900 Now they're ready to bring down

00:35:43.360 The government

00:35:43.680 Do you think the NDP

00:35:44.660 Has done anything

00:35:45.420 To bring voters

00:35:46.580 On to their side this week

00:35:47.520 Or I guess

00:35:47.780 How have you seen

00:35:48.920 Their handling of this?

00:35:50.980 Well, I guess they decided

00:35:52.580 That they've reached

00:35:53.200 A tipping point

00:35:53.840 Where if they continue

00:35:54.580 To support this very

00:35:55.840 Unpopular government

00:35:56.600 They will pay a political price

00:35:57.780 So far they have not

00:35:59.080 Paid that price

00:35:59.840 They've been stable

00:36:00.540 In the polls

00:36:01.000 They've not been going down

00:36:02.180 I mean, they've not

00:36:03.100 Been going up

00:36:03.800 But they've not been

00:36:04.540 Going down

00:36:05.180 So from a tactical point of view

00:36:07.680 What this tells me

00:36:08.740 Is that this fall

00:36:10.340 When these confidence votes

00:36:11.480 Came up

00:36:12.400 The NDP was not ready

00:36:13.800 They were not ready

00:36:14.860 To go to the polls

00:36:15.500 They were not ready

00:36:16.280 To go to the voters

00:36:17.080 And now they are

00:36:18.380 Or think they will be

00:36:19.360 By the time the confidence

00:36:20.260 Motion comes

00:36:21.000 For a vote

00:36:22.360 You know, maybe February

00:36:24.380 Or March

00:36:24.980 So that's my impression

00:36:27.140 Will

00:36:29.020 How will voters react?

00:36:30.540 I'm not sure

00:36:31.380 Because those who don't

00:36:33.320 Like Trudeau

00:36:33.960 And the Trudeau government

00:36:34.660 Have already

00:36:35.180 Left and set sail

00:36:36.900 For the Conservative Party

00:36:37.900 So can they recover

00:36:38.940 Some of these

00:36:39.620 Soft liberal voters

00:36:41.400 And bring them

00:36:42.720 Into the fold?

00:36:43.680 That's the challenge

00:36:44.460 But it's been the challenge

00:36:45.280 Ever since they struck

00:36:46.260 The agreement

00:36:46.860 The governance agreement

00:36:48.040 For the liberals

00:36:48.540 And it has not worked

00:36:49.860 And Tasha

00:36:51.200 I guess it's just

00:36:51.740 A similar kind of

00:36:52.400 Notion here

00:36:53.080 The NDP

00:36:53.760 The way that they've

00:36:54.560 Handled this this week

00:36:55.380 And trying to get

00:36:56.280 Into this conversation

00:36:57.060 I suppose

00:36:57.640 But do you think

00:36:58.620 They've done anything

00:36:59.180 To kind of politically

00:36:59.860 Move the needle

00:37:00.460 This week

00:37:00.980 After, you know

00:37:01.740 Like I say

00:37:02.080 Having this power

00:37:02.800 To bring down

00:37:03.160 The government

00:37:03.420 For so long

00:37:03.980 And only choosing

00:37:04.540 To say that

00:37:05.000 They're going to use it

00:37:05.780 You know

00:37:06.000 Once the House

00:37:06.600 Has been dismissed here

00:37:07.460 Well, I think

00:37:09.060 It's also a case

00:37:09.780 Of too little too late

00:37:11.020 And the

00:37:11.800 Shuttlebutt

00:37:13.180 Well, it's actually

00:37:14.360 A fact

00:37:15.080 Is Jagmeet Singh's

00:37:16.360 Pension vests

00:37:17.320 On February 25th

00:37:18.860 It's six years

00:37:19.600 That he's been elected

00:37:20.480 And the Conservatives

00:37:21.780 Have been saying

00:37:22.160 For some time now

00:37:23.080 That that's the reason

00:37:23.960 He's not been voting

00:37:24.800 On the confidence motion

00:37:25.760 I hate to say

00:37:27.460 But I believe it too now

00:37:28.460 Because I look at this

00:37:29.540 And I'm like

00:37:29.900 Okay, so now

00:37:30.900 Before Christmas

00:37:32.180 You say

00:37:32.720 Oh, we will vote

00:37:33.560 Non-confidence

00:37:34.080 When there's no vote

00:37:35.240 To be had

00:37:35.860 And this conveniently

00:37:37.300 Takes you to that moment

00:37:39.120 Even Peter Julian

00:37:40.280 This week

00:37:41.060 Commented earlier

00:37:42.080 Before Singh

00:37:42.640 Made that declaration

00:37:43.460 That, you know

00:37:44.500 We think there'll be

00:37:45.100 A confidence vote

00:37:45.800 Sometime in February

00:37:46.660 Or March

00:37:47.220 Well, you know

00:37:48.240 It really

00:37:48.840 That breeds a lot

00:37:49.960 Of cynicism

00:37:50.540 And Singh is going

00:37:51.380 To have to wear that

00:37:52.240 I think that

00:37:52.900 The Conservatives

00:37:53.540 Are going to remind

00:37:54.160 People of it

00:37:54.800 Every step

00:37:55.780 That he takes

00:37:56.720 In the election

00:37:57.380 That he was in it

00:37:58.120 For himself

00:37:58.620 And not for

00:37:59.360 The party

00:38:00.220 Or for Canada

00:38:00.920 Or for anything else

00:38:01.820 And he can't

00:38:03.560 Dispute the fact

00:38:04.320 Of, you know

00:38:05.200 Those facts are there

00:38:06.280 Interpret the interpretation

00:38:07.380 He can dispute

00:38:07.940 But the facts are there

00:38:08.680 People will see

00:38:09.280 What they see

00:38:09.760 So I think that

00:38:11.320 He made a calculated error

00:38:12.520 Too in waiting this long

00:38:14.260 And the result is

00:38:15.880 That it's going to be

00:38:17.100 Harder for him

00:38:17.880 To get voters back

00:38:18.880 If the Liberals

00:38:19.400 Have a leadership

00:38:20.140 Trudeau goes

00:38:21.580 They have a leadership

00:38:22.680 I think it'll be

00:38:23.960 Even harder

00:38:24.380 For the NDP

00:38:24.980 To chisel at that

00:38:25.960 Because, you know

00:38:27.200 If the leader

00:38:28.120 Is even remotely popular

00:38:29.640 Or more popular

00:38:30.300 Than Mr. Trudeau

00:38:31.020 Which shouldn't be that hard

00:38:32.300 They'll surf

00:38:33.260 A bit of a bump

00:38:34.000 Right?

00:38:34.960 It's a question

00:38:35.520 Of how long it lasts

00:38:36.460 And if it dissipates

00:38:38.220 In an election

00:38:38.740 But I don't see

00:38:39.700 I don't see the NDP

00:38:41.000 Winning in this at all

00:38:42.580 I think the only winners

00:38:44.100 Right now

00:38:44.820 Are the conservatives

00:38:45.380 If they have an election

00:38:46.100 Right now

00:38:46.460 They'd be the big winners

00:38:47.240 But they will be still

00:38:48.000 The winners

00:38:48.420 Whenever an election

00:38:49.540 Is held

00:38:49.940 And Warren

00:38:51.080 You know

00:38:51.540 From Jagmeet Singh's

00:38:52.220 Perspective

00:38:52.580 He's been trying

00:38:53.040 To circle this square

00:38:53.980 Where we don't

00:38:54.880 Support the government

00:38:55.460 We support bringing it down

00:38:56.860 But we're not going

00:38:57.500 To bring it down

00:38:58.160 And he's got nailed

00:38:59.020 On that a couple of times

00:38:59.840 Particularly I noticed

00:39:00.820 Just in an interview

00:39:01.320 This week with CTV

00:39:02.340 As well

00:39:02.980 Is there any winning

00:39:04.560 From the NDP

00:39:05.120 From all of this situation

00:39:06.160 Won the way

00:39:06.740 They've handled it

00:39:07.440 And moving ahead

00:39:08.400 Into 2025

00:39:09.420 Everybody's focused

00:39:11.760 On Trudeau

00:39:12.520 Nobody's paying

00:39:13.240 Any attention

00:39:13.840 To the NDP

00:39:14.420 And if you look

00:39:15.480 At the NDP numbers

00:39:16.680 They're going to do fine

00:39:18.280 Right?

00:39:19.020 They always do fine

00:39:20.040 They always have

00:39:20.760 Their base 15%

00:39:22.060 And they very rarely

00:39:23.820 Dip below that

00:39:24.840 And all these people

00:39:25.540 Running around

00:39:25.980 Saying oh

00:39:26.300 They don't have

00:39:26.680 Any money for an election

00:39:27.560 They'll get

00:39:28.420 You know

00:39:28.700 They'll get a loan

00:39:29.800 From the steel workers

00:39:30.780 And they'll be able

00:39:31.680 To finance their campaign

00:39:32.820 Like they always do

00:39:33.700 Everybody's looking

00:39:35.040 In the wrong direction

00:39:36.020 The focus is not

00:39:37.180 The opposition

00:39:38.000 The focus is one man

00:39:40.060 That's the attention

00:39:41.220 That everybody should be

00:39:42.220 You know

00:39:42.760 Paying attention to

00:39:44.260 And you know

00:39:46.160 So on the weekend

00:39:47.180 We've heard

00:39:47.860 The Ontario Liberal Caucus

00:39:49.560 Which is the

00:39:50.840 You know

00:39:51.340 Biggest regional caucus

00:39:52.600 That Trudeau's got

00:39:53.460 They had a Zoom call

00:39:54.900 And unanimously

00:39:57.000 Just about

00:39:57.900 Decided

00:39:58.620 To tell him

00:39:59.580 He needs to go

00:40:00.520 Now

00:40:01.340 Is part of that

00:40:02.400 Because of this

00:40:03.280 Ridiculous shuffle

00:40:04.400 That he had on Friday

00:40:05.480 Where they finally

00:40:06.560 Realized that

00:40:07.320 They're not going

00:40:07.880 To be among

00:40:08.400 The chosen few

00:40:10.040 For that

00:40:10.460 Final cabinet

00:40:11.660 Probably

00:40:12.420 You know

00:40:12.920 We saw that

00:40:13.420 With Rob Oliphant

00:40:14.720 And a couple others

00:40:15.820 Suddenly coming out

00:40:16.880 And being principled

00:40:18.140 And saying

00:40:18.580 You know

00:40:18.800 We want them to go

00:40:19.780 Only after they realized

00:40:21.380 They're not going

00:40:21.800 To be in cabinet

00:40:22.440 But it

00:40:23.760 Like liberals

00:40:24.700 I'm talking to liberals

00:40:25.520 Across the country

00:40:26.400 Including elected ones

00:40:27.780 Including ones

00:40:28.360 And Trudeau's cabinet

00:40:29.680 Who have not

00:40:31.320 Come out publicly

00:40:32.200 And they want him

00:40:33.840 To go

00:40:34.320 And they're not going

00:40:35.400 To let this go

00:40:36.660 They're going to

00:40:37.420 Keep the pressure up

00:40:38.520 Until he finally

00:40:40.100 Decides

00:40:40.800 Enough is enough

00:40:41.820 And I do believe

00:40:42.940 Still as I've been

00:40:43.740 Predicting on this panel

00:40:44.860 For a couple years now

00:40:46.620 I believe he is

00:40:47.560 Going to go

00:40:48.060 And you know

00:40:49.260 He's got lots of

00:40:50.080 Runway to do that

00:40:50.880 But January 27th

00:40:52.240 The House comes back

00:40:53.260 And then the

00:40:54.460 You know

00:40:54.700 The opposition

00:40:55.340 As I said

00:40:56.020 Doesn't have

00:40:56.700 It's weeks

00:40:57.880 Until they get

00:40:58.580 An opportunity

00:40:59.240 To bring the

00:41:00.360 Government down

00:41:01.140 So and you know

00:41:02.360 And the government's

00:41:03.000 Always got the

00:41:03.580 Safety valve of

00:41:04.320 Prologation

00:41:05.080 So you know

00:41:06.340 I think what's

00:41:06.880 Going to happen

00:41:07.400 Is Tash and Carl

00:41:08.380 Have said

00:41:08.840 You know

00:41:09.700 He's going to go

00:41:10.320 And the Liberal

00:41:10.820 Party will go up a bit

00:41:11.880 And they're going

00:41:12.700 To have a leadership

00:41:13.180 Convention

00:41:13.740 The Liberal Party

00:41:14.540 Will go up a bit

00:41:15.220 And they're going

00:41:15.780 To have a shiny

00:41:16.280 New leader

00:41:16.860 And the Liberal Party

00:41:17.580 Is going to go up a bit

00:41:18.480 And then it's going

00:41:19.340 To be a very

00:41:20.100 Different scenario

00:41:21.280 Right

00:41:22.240 Where the Liberal Party

00:41:23.020 Is going to be

00:41:23.480 Much more competitive

00:41:24.420 Than it is at the moment

00:41:25.520 And for folks like us

00:41:27.360 It's going to be

00:41:27.820 A lot more fun

00:41:28.460 To talk about

00:41:29.120 Yeah

00:41:29.900 And someone like

00:41:31.020 You know

00:41:31.420 Pierre Pauliev

00:41:31.900 Obviously watching

00:41:32.540 Over their shoulder

00:41:33.000 Too in terms of

00:41:33.720 You know

00:41:33.920 Who the next

00:41:34.440 Liberal leader is

00:41:35.500 That could be

00:41:35.900 Giving him a little

00:41:36.760 Bit of a run

00:41:37.360 For his money

00:41:37.900 In that way

00:41:38.420 The cabinet shuffle

00:41:40.280 I guess

00:41:40.560 Just to touch on

00:41:41.220 That quickly as well

00:41:42.060 Tasha

00:41:42.560 Very strange

00:41:43.660 Right

00:41:43.880 It felt like

00:41:44.360 You had a number

00:41:45.000 Of people

00:41:45.320 Kind of smiling

00:41:46.500 To their certain

00:41:47.320 Political death

00:41:48.180 On Friday

00:41:48.720 So it was kind of

00:41:49.460 Very strange

00:41:50.580 But did the

00:41:52.100 Prime Minister

00:41:52.700 Have to do that

00:41:53.600 Was there no choice

00:41:54.380 If he's going to

00:41:54.980 Continue on

00:41:55.480 For the next

00:41:55.820 Little week

00:41:56.200 What did you make

00:41:57.120 Of this kind of

00:41:57.680 Cabinet shuffle

00:41:58.260 Where there is

00:41:59.140 So much uncertainty

00:41:59.920 Well they had to do

00:42:01.540 A cabinet shuffle

00:42:02.160 Because there were

00:42:03.140 Vacancies

00:42:03.660 And there were

00:42:04.220 Ministers with

00:42:05.260 You know

00:42:05.520 Three portfolios

00:42:06.660 In the case of

00:42:07.180 Dominic LeBlanc

00:42:07.800 Maybe even four

00:42:08.460 I think he had

00:42:09.060 I mean it was

00:42:09.940 Ridiculous

00:42:10.420 So you can't

00:42:11.440 Run a country

00:42:12.600 Even if the

00:42:13.340 House isn't

00:42:13.760 Sitting

00:42:14.080 The government

00:42:15.340 Is still running

00:42:16.080 There are still

00:42:16.860 Things that are

00:42:18.320 Happening

00:42:18.780 Departments are

00:42:19.620 Running

00:42:19.860 Regulations are

00:42:20.660 Happening

00:42:21.020 You need to have

00:42:21.460 Someone in charge

00:42:22.160 And you need to

00:42:23.580 Have also at this

00:42:24.360 Time when Donald

00:42:25.200 Trump is coming

00:42:25.840 In on the 20th

00:42:26.760 This is the big

00:42:28.060 Thing too

00:42:28.640 That is the

00:42:30.280 Looming shadow

00:42:31.380 Of Donald Trump

00:42:32.820 Over Canada

00:42:34.260 On the 20th of

00:42:35.640 January

00:42:36.040 He takes office

00:42:36.840 And someone's

00:42:38.500 Got to be in

00:42:39.120 Charge

00:42:39.540 Whether it's

00:42:40.720 An interim

00:42:41.580 Prime Minister

00:42:42.180 The Prime

00:42:43.040 Minister

00:42:43.340 Or whoever

00:42:45.000 You need to

00:42:45.540 Have people in

00:42:46.480 Charge

00:42:46.660 You need to

00:42:46.960 Have people in

00:42:47.320 Charge of those

00:42:47.760 Departments and

00:42:48.340 Those ministries

00:42:48.900 So he had to

00:42:50.160 Do a cabinet

00:42:50.660 Shuffle

00:42:51.080 And yeah it

00:42:52.300 Did look like a

00:42:53.060 Bit of this

00:42:53.580 Weird kind of

00:42:55.520 Fan de regime

00:42:56.600 Atmosphere

00:42:58.160 The PM wasn't

00:42:59.120 Even there

00:42:59.580 I know

00:43:01.060 The main

00:43:01.860 Minister wasn't

00:43:02.500 There

00:43:02.720 They went up

00:43:03.320 In little groups

00:43:04.040 To the microphone

00:43:04.800 And Anita and

00:43:05.840 Anne waxed

00:43:06.660 You know eloquent

00:43:07.220 About how much

00:43:07.740 She loves the

00:43:08.200 Transport ministry

00:43:09.040 Like no one

00:43:09.800 Believes this

00:43:10.520 And then they

00:43:11.560 All went off

00:43:12.240 And you know

00:43:12.960 And thought about

00:43:13.960 The next thing

00:43:15.780 What am I going to

00:43:16.160 Do with my life

00:43:16.660 After this

00:43:17.180 Because the

00:43:17.780 Curtains coming

00:43:18.440 Down folks

00:43:19.140 Yeah I wonder too

00:43:21.080 I just like

00:43:21.640 David McGinty

00:43:22.340 Given that cabinet

00:43:22.920 Post he's been

00:43:23.460 A pretty staunch

00:43:24.120 Liberal for the

00:43:24.740 Last you know

00:43:25.340 Several I wonder

00:43:25.960 If this puts him

00:43:26.600 In peril in many

00:43:27.920 Ways

00:43:28.160 Carl just said

00:43:29.540 That idea of

00:43:30.280 Kind of rearranging

00:43:30.920 The deck chairs

00:43:31.440 Of the Titanic

00:43:31.980 I guess they

00:43:32.540 Kind of had to

00:43:33.480 But obviously a

00:43:34.240 Strange feel about

00:43:35.120 This cabinet shuffle

00:43:35.800 On Friday

00:43:36.320 Well and let's

00:43:38.360 Not forget that

00:43:39.220 The reason you

00:43:40.400 Know this whole

00:43:40.900 Crisis happened

00:43:41.640 Was because

00:43:42.340 Trudeau was

00:43:42.840 Planning this

00:43:43.320 Shuffle

00:43:43.620 Was because

00:43:44.520 He was trying

00:43:45.060 To bring in

00:43:45.580 Mark Carney

00:43:46.180 As the

00:43:46.620 Savior of the

00:43:47.780 Liberal party

00:43:48.360 And you know

00:43:49.620 It all imploded

00:43:50.520 On him

00:43:50.880 So the

00:43:51.500 Shuffle was in

00:43:52.100 The works

00:43:52.420 It had to

00:43:53.020 Happen

00:43:53.260 But it is

00:43:55.320 The trigger

00:43:55.720 That created

00:43:56.780 The latest

00:43:57.200 Crisis

00:43:57.600 Now what's

00:43:59.080 Interesting is

00:43:59.620 People are

00:44:00.280 Well if they

00:44:01.000 Want him to

00:44:01.400 Go why are

00:44:01.880 They saying

00:44:02.480 Yes to a

00:44:03.100 Cabinet position

00:44:03.680 Well because

00:44:04.640 In many cases

00:44:05.300 It could be

00:44:05.760 Their last

00:44:06.200 Chance to

00:44:07.040 Become a

00:44:07.440 Minister

00:44:07.700 Last chance

00:44:08.540 To be in

00:44:09.000 Charge of

00:44:09.300 Anything

00:44:09.560 In Garvin

00:44:10.100 Because it

00:44:10.860 Could well

00:44:11.280 Be done

00:44:11.980 In a couple

00:44:12.380 Of months

00:44:12.760 So of course

00:44:13.640 You're going to

00:44:14.000 Say yes

00:44:14.400 In most cases

00:44:15.100 Because you

00:44:16.380 You know

00:44:16.920 It may never

00:44:17.600 Happen again

00:44:18.120 It may never

00:44:18.620 Happen again

00:44:19.120 So I was not

00:44:21.500 Surprised to see

00:44:22.520 These people

00:44:23.480 Smiling but you

00:44:24.360 Could sense that

00:44:25.220 There's a bit of a

00:44:27.000 Loss of control

00:44:27.900 You know some

00:44:28.800 Of the

00:44:29.240 Minister coming

00:44:30.920 To the microphone

00:44:31.500 And saying

00:44:32.040 Things I mean

00:44:32.640 The official

00:44:33.220 Languages

00:44:33.740 Minister going

00:44:35.520 To the microphone

00:44:36.060 And saying

00:44:36.540 That there's

00:44:37.000 No decline

00:44:37.560 In the

00:44:37.860 In French

00:44:39.060 Speaking

00:44:39.280 Population

00:44:39.760 In the country

00:44:40.300 Like what are

00:44:41.040 You talking

00:44:41.380 About

00:44:41.680 Like you

00:44:42.180 Don't even

00:44:42.600 Know the

00:44:42.880 Basic facts

00:44:43.560 Of your

00:44:43.840 File

00:44:44.220 So it

00:44:46.320 Won't

00:44:46.540 Change

00:44:46.760 Anything

00:44:47.020 You know

00:44:48.100 If Mark

00:44:49.040 Carney had

00:44:49.420 Come on

00:44:49.700 Maybe he

00:44:50.020 Would have

00:44:50.280 Changed

00:44:50.560 Narrative

00:44:50.980 But it

00:44:52.100 Won't

00:44:52.520 Really

00:44:52.700 Change

00:44:53.060 Anything

00:44:53.300 For

00:44:53.560 Justin

00:44:53.860 Trudeau

00:44:54.240 But you

00:44:55.120 Know

00:44:55.360 The key

00:44:57.360 Question

00:44:57.760 As Warren

00:44:58.440 Said

00:44:58.820 Is like

00:44:59.260 What's

00:44:59.480 Going

00:44:59.640 To

00:44:59.800 Happen

00:45:00.020 To the

00:45:00.340 Prime

00:45:02.000 Minister

00:45:02.380 I am

00:45:04.020 Not sure

00:45:04.400 That

00:45:04.660 Will be

00:45:05.220 Well

00:45:05.420 Equipped

00:45:05.740 If he

00:45:06.060 Resigns

00:45:06.440 The next

00:45:06.740 Couple

00:45:06.960 Days

00:45:07.200 And we

00:45:07.440 Have

00:45:07.560 An

00:45:07.940 Interim

00:45:08.340 Prime

00:45:08.580 Minister

00:45:08.880 Facing

00:45:09.320 Trump

00:45:09.720 Come

00:45:10.000 January

00:45:10.500 Same

00:45:11.580 Same

00:45:11.820 Thing

00:45:12.020 If we

00:45:12.260 Have

00:45:12.380 A

00:45:12.500 Leadership

00:45:12.720 I

00:45:13.340 Think

00:45:13.560 Sadly

00:45:14.400 There's

00:45:16.160 No

00:45:16.360 Good

00:45:16.640 Solution

00:45:17.040 For

00:45:17.320 That

00:45:17.580 We

00:45:18.420 Are

00:45:18.660 In

00:45:18.760 A

00:45:18.860 Position

00:45:19.100 Of

00:45:19.280 We

00:45:19.380 Are

00:45:19.580 In

00:45:19.980 This

00:45:20.100 Point

00:45:20.380 And

00:45:21.400 We'll

00:45:21.680 See

00:45:21.820 How

00:45:21.920 That

00:45:22.060 Plays

00:45:22.440 Into

00:45:22.580 that

00:45:22.800 Warren

00:45:23.180 Well I

00:45:23.860 Got a

00:45:24.080 Minute

00:45:24.200 Here

00:45:24.360 Just

00:45:24.560 Last

00:45:24.780 Word

00:45:24.940 To

00:45:25.060 You

00:45:25.220 On

00:45:25.420 In

00:45:26.440 Terms

00:45:26.660 Of

00:45:26.760 The

00:45:27.060 Future

00:45:27.500 Of

00:45:27.660 The

00:45:27.740 Liberal

00:45:27.900 Party

00:45:28.200 We

00:45:28.700 Mentioned

00:45:29.040 Mark

00:45:29.240 Carney

00:45:29.400 A

00:45:29.520 Couple

00:45:29.660 Of

00:45:29.760 Times

00:45:29.940 Is

00:45:30.860 There

00:45:31.000 This

00:45:31.200 Fantasy

00:45:31.640 That

00:45:31.940 There

00:45:32.100 Is

00:45:32.240 Some

00:45:32.400 Savior

00:45:32.760 Out

00:45:33.000 There

00:45:33.120 That

00:45:33.300 Is

00:45:33.420 Going

00:45:33.600 To

00:45:33.760 Come

00:45:34.000 And

00:45:34.300 Save

00:45:34.680 The

00:45:34.860 Liberal

00:45:35.080 Party

00:45:35.460 It

00:45:36.120 Feels

00:45:36.540 Like

00:45:36.780 That

00:45:36.960 Out

00:45:37.180 There

00:45:37.320 But

00:45:37.440 It

00:45:37.540 Doesn't

00:45:38.480 Match

00:45:38.680 Up

00:45:38.800 With

00:45:38.900 Reality

00:45:39.320 What

00:45:39.980 Do

00:45:40.100 You

00:45:40.200 Make

00:45:40.380 Of

00:45:40.500 This

00:45:40.660 Notion

00:45:41.540 That

00:45:41.800 There

00:45:41.980 There

00:45:42.000 There

00:45:42.400 Is

00:45:42.580 A

00:45:42.680 Mark

00:45:42.860 Carney

00:45:43.080 Out

00:45:43.280 There

00:45:43.380 To

00:45:43.480 Come

00:45:43.620 Save

00:45:43.900 You

00:45:44.560 Well

00:45:44.980 The

00:45:45.160 Parliament

00:45:46.280 Hill

00:45:46.640 Is

00:45:46.880 Two

00:45:47.100 Square

00:45:47.400 Miles

00:45:47.820 Surrounded

00:45:48.340 By

00:45:48.600 Reality

00:45:49.180 So

00:45:49.960 It

00:45:51.540 Is

00:45:52.220 Fantasy

00:45:52.780 Land

00:45:53.260 So

00:45:53.740 Yeah

00:45:53.980 They

00:45:54.220 All

00:45:54.440 Live

00:45:54.660 In

00:45:54.780 A

00:45:54.900 State

00:45:55.100 Of

00:45:55.240 Perpetual

00:45:55.760 Illusion

00:45:57.620 I

00:45:58.560 Did

00:45:58.800 Think

00:45:59.080 The

00:45:59.280 One

00:45:59.500 Thing

00:45:59.780 She

00:45:59.980 Did

00:46:00.180 With

00:46:00.340 Her

00:46:00.460 Letter

00:46:00.700 Was

00:46:00.940 Beautiful

00:46:01.320 Not

00:46:01.640 Only

00:46:01.880 Did

00:46:02.080 She

00:46:02.240 Wound

00:46:02.660 Justin

00:46:03.380 Trudeau

00:46:03.920 Which

00:46:04.600 Was

00:46:04.800 Her

00:46:04.980 Objective

00:46:05.540 You

00:46:05.700 She

00:46:06.000 Was

00:46:06.160 A

00:46:06.320 Spurned

00:46:06.780 Member

00:46:07.140 Of

00:46:07.320 The

00:46:07.440 Cult

00:46:07.740 Hell

00:46:08.780 Hath

00:46:09.080 No

00:46:09.280 Freary

00:46:09.740 Etc

00:46:10.180 But

00:46:10.900 She

00:46:11.060 Also

00:46:11.320 Made

00:46:11.580 It

00:46:11.700 Impossible

00:46:12.280 For

00:46:12.660 Carney

00:46:12.980 To

00:46:13.160 Come

00:46:13.360 In

00:46:13.580 Because

00:46:13.920 Carney

00:46:14.340 Would

00:46:14.540 Be

00:46:14.680 Coming

00:46:14.900 In

00:46:15.200 He

00:46:15.660 Would

00:46:15.740 Be

00:46:15.840 Stepping

00:46:16.160 On

00:46:16.360 The

00:46:16.480 Political

00:46:16.820 Corpse

00:46:17.300 Of

00:46:17.460 A

00:46:17.580 Woman

00:46:17.840 Which

00:46:18.360 Would

00:46:18.520 Be

00:46:18.640 The

00:46:18.800 Kiss

00:46:19.000 Of

00:46:19.140 Death

00:46:19.320 For

00:46:19.500 Him

00:46:19.760 So

00:46:20.340 It

00:46:20.520 Was

00:46:20.620 Just

00:46:20.760 Brilliant

00:46:21.140 How

00:46:21.500 She

00:46:21.700 Did

00:46:21.880 That

00:46:22.120 What

00:46:22.420 Is

00:46:22.580 The

00:46:22.700 Future

00:46:22.940 Liberal

00:46:23.280 Party

00:46:23.620 Like

00:46:24.280 You

00:46:24.540 I

00:46:24.680 Have

00:46:24.780 Been

00:46:24.900 Through

00:46:25.120 This

00:46:25.300 Before

00:46:25.720 I

00:46:25.920 Ran

00:46:26.280 Cretchen

00:46:26.660 War

00:46:27.140 Room

00:46:27.300 In

00:46:27.420 93

00:46:27.760 And

00:46:28.060 I

00:46:28.160 Had

00:46:28.240 All

00:46:28.320 These

00:46:28.440 People

00:46:28.700 Running

00:46:28.960 Around

00:46:29.180 Saying

00:46:29.360 Oh

00:46:29.500 You

00:46:29.660 Guys

00:46:29.900 Reduced

00:46:30.300 The

00:46:30.520 Tories

00:46:30.860 To

00:46:31.040 Two

00:46:31.280 Seats

00:46:31.640 They're

00:46:32.160 Gone

00:46:32.440 Forever

00:46:32.940 You

00:46:33.680 Know

00:46:33.780 They're

00:46:33.980 Dead

00:46:34.340 That's

00:46:34.800 It

00:46:34.980 It's

00:46:35.200 Over

00:46:35.440 Realignment

00:46:36.060 Canadian

00:46:36.440 Politics

00:46:36.900 And

00:46:37.640 The

00:46:37.720 One

00:46:37.840 Thing

00:46:38.020 I've

00:46:38.200 Learned

00:46:38.420 At

00:46:38.520 My

00:46:38.640 Advanced

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00:51:21.620 and i'm freezing my ass off where i am but brian lily is stateside somewhere and it's nice and

00:51:29.520 warm and beautiful and i'm jealous brian lily welcome yeah i've been singing ll cool jay's

00:51:36.960 famous going back to cali song for the past couple days and now i'm here so i can't complain

00:51:44.200 yeah it is nicer it's warmer there's a reason canadians come down south in the winter and

00:51:49.920 you just inspired me i'm gonna play some ll cool jay at the end of your segment going back to cali no

00:51:56.340 mama said knock you out gonna do mama say let's let's talk about that let's talk about that because

00:52:02.180 mama freeland tried to knock him out did she knock him out is he done i don't see how the government

00:52:12.900 survives past um say march or april and you and i we ended up on a few conference calls this week

00:52:22.360 trying to figure out everything was going on and the way that we've got it mapped out right now is

00:52:28.180 uh well one he he didn't leave but you and i said he wouldn't leave right away you still think you'll

00:52:33.660 leave longer term i'm not sure so you've at least got me in the not sure camp after what two years of

00:52:40.300 he's not leaving yay lunch at the diner on lily only if he goes but i've moved into not sure he

00:52:48.660 could but you know on friday when jagmeet sing said oh i'll bring in a a uh non-confidence motion at

00:52:57.760 the earliest possible moment but you say that a couple days after the house rises which means the

00:53:02.940 earliest you can bring it in is january 27th and the most likely early earliest date that um

00:53:10.240 the house would be able to vote on that is march 20th that for everyone that was saying lily you're

00:53:16.940 being too over the top with the pension thing he doesn't need the pension um but he's playing as if

00:53:22.680 it is for his pension right he he doesn't say he'll bring the government down until his pension is

00:53:27.900 vested which unless trudeau calls an early election it's now vested yeah he's covered so he's good

00:53:34.320 he's he's acting like it is whether that's the reason or not so it doesn't help him with his critics

00:53:41.200 and you know saying you'll bring down the government was eight days after he just voted confidence in

00:53:46.540 them for the eighth time since saying he was done with trudeau and trudeau has to go and i'm ripping up

00:53:51.780 the agreement just means saying deserves to be demolished in this next next election so the

00:53:58.480 earliest that we could go and by the way the opposition days will likely be allotted there's

00:54:04.880 a good chance that the conservatives won't get one until like february 27th or 28th which means they

00:54:11.700 can't vote on it until march 17th so if that happens uh you and i'll be uh hoisting some pints to

00:54:18.600 celebrate saint patrick's day saint patrick's day uh government defeat and an easter rising uh new

00:54:28.740 government not bad well what do you think um what do you think well you you know there you got

00:54:36.020 liberals are out there who are talking about just let's just do a rush job let's just jam in the next

00:54:41.640 leader who apparently they think is christopher freeland god help them what like what's going on

00:54:47.260 okay nancy pelosi let's uh let's take out the guy that people say they can't support anymore

00:54:54.220 and install a woman who has not faced any political testing in terms of winning on her own

00:55:02.680 i think we just saw this movie didn't end well and and you know i i know some american voters were

00:55:11.280 turned off by the way kamala harris talked in terms of like laughing and cackling that was not the case

00:55:18.060 with me but christia freeland talks to canadians like they're five-year-old idiots yeah and that will

00:55:24.940 turn off an awful lot of voters say christia freeland's your sudden savior instead of mark carney who

00:55:30.200 oh wait nobody's talking about mark carney because trudeau offered the job or took the job away from

00:55:36.280 freeland before carney agreed to take it one of the stupidest political moves i've ever seen

00:55:41.740 but eddie goldenberg who you used to work with the christian's former chief of staff it's being

00:55:47.960 played up as if this is a christian idea i highly doubt it but i don't talk to the guy um this is a

00:55:55.040 very bad idea the last time the liberals did this uh they got bob ray uh and michael ignatief in a room

00:56:03.040 for a rotisserie chicken dinner after stefan dion stepped down it's true it's true it sounds like

00:56:09.420 i'm making it up well it's true folks he speaks the truth over a rotisserie chicken dinner and said

00:56:17.280 one of you has got to go and one of you can be leader and they made it eggy and i i spent the next

00:56:23.620 couple of years wanting to yell out at every scrum didn't you used to be that interesting guy michael

00:56:28.700 ignatiev yeah because he was wooden and and boring still a very interesting guy he was a horrible

00:56:35.620 politician bob ray much better politician you but a new democrat um so i i don't think these are good

00:56:44.440 options but i don't know what a good option is howard anglin who's a very smart guy worked in harper

00:56:49.780 pmo yeah headed up the canadian um uh constitutional foundation he's a lawyer he's an academic he's

00:56:57.740 studying for his phd at oxford at the moment he was involved in one of these threads on x about

00:57:05.640 an idea that i had said here's a possibility where trudeau you know around the time of the house

00:57:14.000 coming back goes to the governor general and says well i'm going to prorog and he prorogues long

00:57:20.060 enough for the liberals to hold their four-month um leadership race because that's what the liberal

00:57:26.300 constitution requires will they follow that who knows um but if the if he goes to the gg and tries

00:57:33.460 that would the gg grant that or would the gg actually say well they're all saying they're going

00:57:38.940 to vote you down we need a functioning government you're required to face the house to show you have

00:57:44.640 confidence first that's a possibility i mean there's so many possibilities um on on the conference

00:57:52.560 call the other day when you and i and adrian batcher and jonathan kingstone and everyone's

00:57:57.240 talking about it i just kept going back to that great canadian uh quebec law saying if my grandmother

00:58:03.300 had he did folks he said it over and over again the reason why brian said that and is there are too

00:58:11.720 many variables here and there's too much speculation about what justin's gonna do and christy clark and

00:58:18.320 and mark carney and so on when you've got the reporting that telford and leblanc and and miller

00:58:25.320 are all trying to convince them to stay and telford's not putting in calls to uh anyone but

00:58:33.300 uh supporters people who want trudeau to stay i i can confirm that after the cabinet meeting

00:58:40.120 happened on uh earlier in the week uh the one where freeland just said she's out 23 minutes before it was

00:58:51.000 supposed to start so there was the cabinet meeting and then several of them went back to trudeau's

00:58:56.820 office and it was leblanc and miller and telford was there so i can confirm that did happen

00:59:04.200 and so they've prevailed upon him to stay but as you've pointed out to everybody who would listen

00:59:12.520 and should listen you know he's got runway till the 27th of january as you've just pointed out because

00:59:18.160 you're one of the few people who actually understands the arcane rules of the house of commons

00:59:22.740 being on the vote at the earliest opportunity is september st patrick's day um so you know he's

00:59:30.640 got some time here um you know i guess the final question maybe we conclude with this one

00:59:37.360 the like does the liberal party have time so let's say they he let's say he goes let's say they have a

00:59:45.340 leadership race you know four months or otherwise let's say they have a new leader whoever it is i don't

00:59:50.880 care pick a name can they win like right now the polls like even ecos has got a seat projection

00:59:58.240 showing liberal party of canada reduced to 12 seats that's gone for a decade and a half that's like

01:00:05.700 it's all over for a long long time what do you think of their chances in the election when it comes

01:00:12.460 because it's coming i i used to be able to look and try and map out different ways that the liberals

01:00:19.080 could come back because i always say never count them out uh i don't see a single name that's there

01:00:26.180 right now like i said i don't think it's freeland i don't think that um she's got the retail charm

01:00:33.440 uh and and she talks down to to canadians um champagne um i don't think he has enough time

01:00:44.940 um jolie you know she's the one that worries me because you and i and i have spoken to several

01:00:53.900 liberals i know you have who worry that she will just try and win the leadership on the issue of

01:00:58.740 gaza and radically shift the the liberal party's position maybe that gives her enough of a boost

01:01:04.680 based on demographics but that's a very worrisome sign if we elect the next prime minister of canada

01:01:09.760 based on gas and politics and support for hamas and hezbollah um carney is is not a retail politician

01:01:18.700 there was nobody who's built up as a natural successor everyone talked about freeland but it was never

01:01:25.740 going to be freeland in my view for for the reasons i just mentioned so i i i can't see

01:01:32.380 a way that that this happens um i do want to point out something that that i noticed that coming down

01:01:40.880 here both canada and the united states are in a position where nobody really knows who's in charge

01:01:45.200 um because the biden biden is apparently still president but everyone's acting like it's trump

01:01:51.120 trudeau is apparently still prime minister but we're not sure if he wants the job he's got a new

01:01:56.440 cabinet and uh and and they've pledged loyalty to him in exchange for a few shekels uh a limo and

01:02:03.360 the title honorable that they keep for the rest of their lives but is he really in charge does he have

01:02:09.560 any mandate it's a messed up world right now it sure is and and on the trump point i totally even forgot

01:02:16.320 about it trump actually lost the debt ceiling vote he had people rebelling against him it's rebellions

01:02:22.020 everywhere and they only did and there's only voices of calm and reason are are brian and warren so

01:02:29.240 people should keep listening to us so listen brother i just want to wish you and yours the merriest of

01:02:35.740 christmas a happy hanukkah just have a wonderful time down there very grateful for your contributions

01:02:42.200 over the past year and hopefully you have time next weekend uh before it's the new year before 2025

01:02:49.260 talk about talk about winners and losers politically of the year that would be kind of fun i think we'll

01:02:55.260 still be trying to figure out who the hell's in charge well listen man have a great time down there

01:03:01.580 this week merry christmas wish i was there with you you probably don't and uh we'll talk to you next

01:03:08.000 weekend all right merry christmas everyone

01:03:11.060 you wish you had a beach house to get away

01:03:27.620 give me a break is what you always say and i don't understand you anymore you're a version of yourself

01:03:42.180 i don't know when i deplore down on your throat and up your back slide yourself all the way

01:03:55.620 save these things that i wanna say i have save these things for a rainy rainy a rainy day

01:04:09.620 this is a song for you to read between the lines where are you going what will you find what do you do

01:04:34.620 and you cannot fill your cup do you take from someone else to give yourself that one last word up

01:04:43.620 down your throat and up your back let it take you all the way away save these things that i i wanna say i have

01:05:01.620 save these things for a rainy rainy a rainy day

01:05:08.620 save these things for a rainy rainy a rainy day

01:05:11.620 yes i'll come to you okay ah

01:05:15.620 okay stay on my journée

01:05:17.620 you aresta i will just wanna say i hope so with a chilly morning you know what do you think that i was going to do

01:05:23.620 like something that i also told you about can during the world

01:05:25.620 and then i always encourage thank you

01:05:36.620 And let's touch on what's transpired in Ottawa today.

01:06:01.500 It has been just an absolutely crazy day.

01:06:04.060 We got an update from Ian Bailey from the Globe and Mail at 3 o'clock.

01:06:08.680 I want to revisit this story because there's so much going on, as we learned.

01:06:11.840 Dominic LeBlanc earlier today was sworn in as the Finance Minister for Canada,

01:06:16.100 replacing Chrystia Freeland, who resigned as Finance Minister and Deputy Prime Minister this morning.

01:06:22.260 Mr. LeBlanc, after he was sworn in, was asked when the Prime Minister came to him,

01:06:27.760 offering him the finance portfolio, and whether he was the first person to be asked to take on the role.

01:06:32.480 Let's take a listen.

01:06:33.160 That wasn't the conversation I had with the Prime Minister.

01:06:36.220 You'd have to talk to the Prime Minister about those issues.

01:06:41.360 I spoke to him this afternoon.

01:06:44.360 He asked me to assume this responsibility and to remain the Intergovernmental Affairs Minister,

01:06:50.880 to assume the Chair's role of the Canada-U.S. Cabinet Committee,

01:06:56.860 and to remain very focused on border security.

01:06:59.640 So that was my conversation with him, and it's an enormous privilege.

01:07:03.660 It's an enormous privilege to serve as the Finance Minister,

01:07:07.080 and it's something that I will pour my heart and soul into for as long as I have the job.

01:07:13.060 That was Dominic LeBlanc speaking earlier today.

01:07:15.540 Of course, all of that occurred after Chrystia Freeland made her surprise declaration,

01:07:21.920 saying that she was making her exit from Cabinet because the Prime Minister had lost faith in her.

01:07:27.440 And that he also said that she fought back against some of his policy decisions,

01:07:32.180 and that he wanted to assign her to a new role.

01:07:35.160 Of course, you can expect the opposition was hammering away at the government today.

01:07:39.720 Conservative leader Pierre Paglia pushed for an election,

01:07:42.020 and the NDP, Jagmeet Singh, demanded Trudeau step down.

01:07:45.260 Let's take a listen.

01:07:45.820 What we are seeing is the government of Canada itself is spiraling out of control,

01:07:52.420 right before our eyes, and at the very worst time.

01:07:56.240 Out of control spending has doubled our national debt,

01:07:59.180 boosted interest rates, and threatened our social programs.

01:08:01.780 Now, Housing Minister Sean Frazier has resigned in the middle of a housing crisis.

01:08:07.420 The Finance Minister is resigning in the middle of an economic crisis,

01:08:11.120 and a fifth of his Liberal caucus has lost confidence in him.

01:08:15.080 Justin Trudeau has lost control, and yet he clings to power.

01:08:19.860 We cannot accept this kind of chaos, division, weakness,

01:08:23.100 while we're staring down the barrel of a 25% tariff from our biggest trading partner and closest ally.

01:08:30.780 All options are on the table.

01:08:32.660 That means everything is possible.

01:08:34.600 But what is clear, Justin Trudeau and a Liberal government that are focused on themselves,

01:08:39.440 they are infighting at a time when people cannot even do their groceries.

01:08:42.780 They can't even find homes that are affordable.

01:08:45.800 And we've got the threat of Donald Trump and 25% tariffs that mean hundreds of thousands of jobs are at risk.

01:08:52.820 Because of that, I'm saying very clearly that Justin Trudeau has to resign.

01:08:57.740 All options are on the table.

01:08:59.240 Well, joining me now to talk a little bit about what transpired today is Warren Kinsella.

01:09:03.060 He's a Toronto-based lawyer, author and consultant,

01:09:05.640 and a former Special Assistant to Prime Minister Jean Chrétien.

01:09:08.240 Warren, as always, thank you so much for your time.

01:09:10.220 Thanks, my friend.

01:09:12.340 How would you describe today?

01:09:17.980 Sorry, I shouldn't laugh.

01:09:19.720 I should be more professional.

01:09:21.700 Like, just a total colossal disaster mess.

01:09:27.100 Like, just whatever word you want to apply to it.

01:09:30.100 This has got to be the worst day in the Liberal Party's recent history.

01:09:35.160 It was just a fiasco.

01:09:38.280 And, you know, it started very early in the day,

01:09:42.760 just minutes before Christopher Phelan was supposed to release her economic update.

01:09:48.380 She fired off this rocket.

01:09:50.400 And, like my friend, it was a rocket aimed right at Justin Trudeau,

01:09:54.800 accusing him of engaging in costly political gimmicks,

01:09:58.800 doing things that Canadians can ill afford,

01:10:02.560 not working in good faith with the premiers.

01:10:06.660 I mean, she even talked in the letter, basically said,

01:10:09.220 we're going to lose the election, and we've got to do better.

01:10:12.580 Like, every button she could hit to indicate lack of faith,

01:10:17.080 lack of confidence in the Prime Minister, she hit.

01:10:19.580 And does Prime Minister Trudeau have any move?

01:10:24.120 Does he have any next steps at this point?

01:10:26.140 Or is it a question of just being stubborn and sticking around?

01:10:29.580 I don't know what it is.

01:10:31.020 I mean, certainly the story I've heard,

01:10:32.440 and I've talked to members of the Liberal Caucus and staff and so on,

01:10:36.520 is he's being insulated, I am told, by Katie Telford,

01:10:40.400 who is his very, very powerful chief of staff.

01:10:43.420 So he doesn't really know, a lot of the time,

01:10:46.580 what the full state of play is, what the polls are saying,

01:10:49.820 what the media are saying, and so on.

01:10:51.920 You know, he's kind of like a sumo wrestler,

01:10:54.040 being fed candies and kept in the dark.

01:10:56.500 But today is a day that would not escape his attention.

01:11:00.060 You know, today is a day when he's losing,

01:11:01.740 not just his Minister of Finance, his Deputy Prime Minister.

01:11:05.600 You know, this is the second most powerful person in his government,

01:11:09.920 saying, I have no confidence in you.

01:11:11.620 And when she walked, I don't know if you saw it,

01:11:15.040 just when she walked into the Liberal Caucus meeting

01:11:18.320 at 5 p.m. Ottawa time tonight,

01:11:21.400 she got a standing ovation.

01:11:24.140 And that was a vote of confidence in her.

01:11:27.180 That clearly is a lack of confidence in Justin Trudeau.

01:11:31.720 What I find just fascinating in all of this,

01:11:34.360 here you have a competent individual,

01:11:36.180 whether you like their politics or not,

01:11:37.840 Christia Freeland, one would argue, is competent.

01:11:39.960 You know, an MP that does perform.

01:11:45.440 And you essentially, in a very public way, say,

01:11:47.300 well, I want to bring in the former Bank of Canada

01:11:48.840 and Bank of England governor to replace you, potentially.

01:11:52.600 I mean, I'm not sure.

01:11:54.380 I don't understand who thought this was a good idea

01:11:57.180 in the first place.

01:11:59.100 And where does Mark Carney fit into this now?

01:12:01.660 Well, it's just, you know, on Friday,

01:12:05.020 the Prime Minister told Freeland,

01:12:07.180 I'm kicking you out.

01:12:08.440 I'm removing you from Canada.

01:12:10.220 But I want you to go ahead on Monday

01:12:11.960 and deliver the fall economic statement.

01:12:14.380 It's like, seriously?

01:12:16.620 And like, the other thing that's been happening

01:12:19.000 that is just appalling,

01:12:20.540 and is not the behaviour of somebody

01:12:22.380 who professes to be a feminist,

01:12:24.320 as he did again on the weekend.

01:12:26.000 He spoke to Equal Voice on the weekend

01:12:28.000 and professed to be a feminist

01:12:29.700 and preoccupied with the importance

01:12:31.840 of having women in public life

01:12:33.380 after he'd just stuck, you know,

01:12:35.080 the proverbial knife

01:12:36.040 into his own deputy prime minister.

01:12:38.700 You know, just saying,

01:12:40.880 well, I want you to move out

01:12:42.100 because I want to move this guy in

01:12:43.640 who's unelected, Mark Carney,

01:12:45.740 to take things over.

01:12:46.940 And he and his staff

01:12:49.140 had been leaking against the Minister of Finance

01:12:52.020 since the summer.

01:12:53.900 And that was appalling to many of us,

01:12:56.420 you know, who worked for Kretzian R. Martin,

01:12:58.000 or so on,

01:12:59.080 because, you know,

01:13:00.240 there can't be any light

01:13:01.440 between the prime minister

01:13:02.480 and the minister of finance

01:13:03.640 or the premier

01:13:04.660 and the minister of finance

01:13:06.140 in a province.

01:13:07.220 Like, they have to walk in lockstep.

01:13:10.380 And, you know,

01:13:10.700 Martin and Kretzian

01:13:11.520 were not in love with each other,

01:13:12.960 but there was never any light

01:13:14.620 between the two.

01:13:15.820 And this prime minister's office

01:13:17.260 had been leaking

01:13:18.180 against Christopher Freeland

01:13:19.920 for months.

01:13:20.820 I don't think she had any choice

01:13:22.120 but to do what she did today.

01:13:24.220 Let's just say he were to resign.

01:13:25.440 I mean, is there anyone

01:13:27.360 or any way

01:13:28.300 that anybody who can save

01:13:29.680 this party right now,

01:13:30.920 whether it's an election

01:13:31.700 in the spring

01:13:32.340 or an election

01:13:32.800 in the fall of 2025?

01:13:35.140 I mean, it looks like

01:13:36.540 this looks like a party

01:13:37.840 that's going to be going down

01:13:39.140 and going down really hard

01:13:40.320 during whenever

01:13:41.720 the next election is.

01:13:43.700 They'll go down really hard

01:13:44.680 if Trudeau sticks around.

01:13:46.040 But, you know,

01:13:46.420 I've been around this business

01:13:47.380 a long time

01:13:48.040 and so have you.

01:13:49.480 You know,

01:13:49.740 when there's a leadership change,

01:13:52.120 you know,

01:13:52.320 the numbers move a bit.

01:13:53.600 The needle moves a bit.

01:13:54.940 And then you get a new leader.

01:13:56.180 Every leader,

01:13:57.000 including Stefan Dion

01:13:58.120 and Michael Ignatieff,

01:13:59.680 you know,

01:13:59.920 they got a boost.

01:14:00.840 They got a honeymoon.

01:14:02.180 In the case of Kresian,

01:14:03.280 we were lucky.

01:14:03.960 His honeymoon lasted

01:14:04.860 about 10 years.

01:14:06.220 But, you know,

01:14:06.940 everybody,

01:14:07.560 when you get a new leader,

01:14:08.480 you get a bit of a boost.

01:14:10.100 You get more media attention

01:14:11.300 and so on.

01:14:12.140 So I agree with you.

01:14:13.600 I don't think

01:14:14.280 that they would win

01:14:15.140 the election

01:14:15.600 against Per Polly.

01:14:16.640 You know,

01:14:17.180 Polly has 22 points ahead

01:14:18.840 and he has been

01:14:20.360 way ahead

01:14:21.540 for more than a year.

01:14:22.980 But it won't be as bad,

01:14:24.700 right?

01:14:24.920 If you have a change in leader,

01:14:26.540 it won't be as bad

01:14:27.800 and maybe you hold them

01:14:28.840 to four years

01:14:29.700 as opposed to what

01:14:30.940 I think we're looking at,

01:14:32.100 which is potentially 12.

01:14:33.600 Yeah.

01:14:34.760 Do you think

01:14:35.460 he will step down?

01:14:37.260 I do.

01:14:37.840 I still do.

01:14:38.900 You know,

01:14:39.240 you don't get to be

01:14:40.000 prime minister

01:14:40.540 by being a dummy

01:14:41.480 and he can read a poll

01:14:43.300 as much as the next guy

01:14:44.620 and see that it's all over.

01:14:47.640 And I know for a fact

01:14:48.760 that people

01:14:49.320 who are close to him,

01:14:50.860 members of his family,

01:14:52.080 people he respects

01:14:53.080 have gone to him

01:14:54.300 and have said,

01:14:55.140 it's all over.

01:14:56.400 You've got to go.

01:14:57.560 I think he was waiting

01:14:58.640 for the U.S. election

01:14:59.720 to happen

01:15:00.480 and thought maybe

01:15:02.200 he would have a shot

01:15:03.160 if Trump got defeated.

01:15:05.660 You know,

01:15:06.360 and obviously

01:15:07.120 Trump wasn't defeated

01:15:08.160 and people don't think

01:15:09.460 he's the right guy

01:15:10.120 to deal with Trump.

01:15:11.420 So I do think

01:15:13.000 he'll go

01:15:13.620 because he knows

01:15:15.100 right now

01:15:15.840 the way the numbers are,

01:15:17.100 outside of the province

01:15:18.800 of Quebec,

01:15:19.880 the Liberal Party

01:15:20.580 of Canada,

01:15:21.380 you know,

01:15:22.200 formerly the most powerful

01:15:23.580 political machine

01:15:24.500 in Western democracy

01:15:25.500 is running

01:15:26.420 in fourth place.

01:15:28.160 Right now,

01:15:29.080 seat projections

01:15:29.820 so the Liberal Party

01:15:30.940 could be in fourth place

01:15:32.200 after the election.

01:15:33.460 I don't think

01:15:34.000 he wants that

01:15:34.600 to be his legacy.

01:15:35.860 I think he will go.

01:15:37.380 Well,

01:15:38.080 Warren,

01:15:38.540 as always,

01:15:39.080 thank you so much

01:15:39.760 for your time.

01:15:41.180 Thanks, my friend.

01:15:41.860 Now I don't want to know her

01:15:49.660 But I think I could love her

01:15:55.840 Crimson Clover

01:16:00.920 When she come walking over

01:16:11.900 I've been waiting to show her

01:16:18.400 Crimson Clover

01:16:23.520 Over-and-over

01:16:27.880 Over-and-over

01:16:28.820 Over-and-over

01:16:29.620 Over-and-over

01:16:31.340 Over-and-over

01:16:34.040 Over-and-over

01:16:34.700 Over-and-over

01:16:35.260 Love-and-over

01:16:35.680 Oh, man, such a sweet thing

01:16:37.260 Over-and-over

01:16:37.800 Over-and-over

01:16:40.920 Yeah

01:16:41.220 Love-and-착

01:16:53.520 Oh

01:17:23.520 The news of the day

01:17:53.400 Today is the Finance Minister and Deputy Prime Minister, Christia Freeland, has stepped down and resigned.

01:18:01.440 She sent her letter to the Prime Minister, and it reads, I mean, it's a devastating read.

01:18:06.940 To talk more about this is Warren Kinsella.

01:18:09.460 Warren, welcome back to the show. Thank you so much.

01:18:12.380 My pleasure, my friend.

01:18:13.720 Okay, so this letter, if you just read it, it's an excellent, it's a riveting read, but you're a master of political communication.

01:18:23.400 Read between the lines for us.

01:18:26.240 She's declared her candidacy for the liberal leadership.

01:18:30.400 Like this letter, Ben, is a rocket directly at Justin Trudeau's credibility and his claim to being a feminist.

01:18:38.720 Like, listen to this. She talks about the Trump tariff.

01:18:42.580 She said we need to take that extremely seriously.

01:18:45.820 That means keeping our fiscal powder dry today.

01:18:49.380 I'm quoting her.

01:18:50.120 So we have the reserves we may need for a coming tariff war.

01:18:53.680 That means it's chewing costly political gimmicks.

01:18:57.700 Yeah.

01:18:58.660 She's accusing the Prime Minister of Canada of engaging in political gimmicks.

01:19:03.460 She's running for the leadership.

01:19:05.180 She's running for the leadership.

01:19:06.060 But you sort of, on Friday, on our political panel, you suggested that there was something coming.

01:19:13.040 What did you know on Friday?

01:19:15.180 Well, I knew that she had a book coming in February.

01:19:17.720 I knew that she was going to leave.

01:19:19.540 But I don't think I or she even thought that she was going to leave this soon.

01:19:24.040 Yeah.

01:19:24.220 I do know that she had been working the phones.

01:19:27.640 She had been talking to people, important people.

01:19:31.340 I think you can guess who, about what she should do.

01:19:35.320 Because the Prime Minister's office, the office of the Prime Minister, was leaking against the Finance Minister.

01:19:42.520 And the one thing, you know, Martin and Kretzky have showed, and I work for Kretzky at full disclosure,

01:19:46.800 you know, you don't have to love each other, but you have to work.

01:19:50.940 There can't be any light between the Minister of Finance and the Prime Minister.

01:19:54.560 And this Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, basically broke with his own finance minister and started leaking against her.

01:20:03.540 And she just obviously said, this can't go on.

01:20:06.020 I'm going to quit.

01:20:07.100 Was the timing of this proof that she did not want to wear the disaster that was the fall economic statement?

01:20:14.660 A hundred percent, you know, because we had seen that leak in the past 24 hours that she didn't want to go ahead with the $250 check to everybody, or just about everybody.

01:20:24.760 And I saw that as a sign that maybe she was going to stick around at that point because she'd won the fight with PMO.

01:20:32.420 But obviously, she fired off this letter in both official languages this morning and said, enough is enough.

01:20:38.220 I can't trust this guy.

01:20:39.240 Basically, she said, I cannot trust the Prime Minister of Canada, but I'm going to stick around and I'm going to be a visual reminder that nobody else should trust him either.

01:20:48.900 Well, it also points out, she says, I'm going to stick around.

01:20:51.240 I'm going to run for my seat, which means if she's not running for that seat in the next election, it's because he put pressure on her to leave, to boot her from the party.

01:21:00.700 Which is what he did to Jody Wilson-Raybould, which is what he did to Jane Philpott.

01:21:06.400 Like the history here of the Liberal Party, which I know a little bit about, you know, when John Turner was finance minister and he broke with Pierre Trudeau, he left to go join the law firm Macmillan Bench, where full disclosure, I worked as well.

01:21:18.680 And, but he was rusty, you know, he was away too long, and your dad beat him and clobbered him.

01:21:25.240 When Paul Martin left, he did what Freeland is doing.

01:21:28.760 He stuck around.

01:21:30.120 He said, okay, I'm quitting as minister of finance, or you fired me as minister of finance, but I'm going to stay put, which he did, and he became prime minister, and he became prime minister for a lot longer than John Turner did.

01:21:40.420 So I think she's learned from that experience, Freeland, and she's sticking around and saying, you're not going to drive me out of the party like you did with Jody or Jane.

01:21:48.680 We've got to talk about the Mark Carney of it all.

01:21:51.220 I was musing with my producer earlier before this news broke.

01:21:58.920 Why would he want to join this government at this point?

01:22:02.660 And now, to me, it seems there's even less of an argument to join them now.

01:22:08.540 Do you see it that way?

01:22:10.000 Yeah, I sure do.

01:22:11.040 As a matter of fact, I was saying to my colleagues at Daisy Group this morning, they told me I need to use this line with you.

01:22:16.040 And I said to them, this isn't just Carney jumping onto the deck of the Titanic.

01:22:20.300 It's him jumping onto the deck of the Titanic when it's on fire and there's an outbreak of bubonic plague.

01:22:27.080 He just should not do it.

01:22:29.600 He's crazy if he does it.

01:22:31.060 But obviously, Trudeau on Friday said to Christopher Freeland, I want you out so I can bring this guy in.

01:22:37.020 And it's just so much going on.

01:22:39.660 I think everybody's forgotten about poor old Mr. Fraser from Nova Scotia, the immigration minister, former immigration minister, who quit this morning and nobody's even paying attention to it.

01:22:48.880 Like this, Ben, this is a government that's fallen apart right in front of ours.

01:22:52.860 You've been following this longer than me.

01:22:55.120 I've never seen a government so bereft of ideas, so listless and drifting around with no aims, no goals.

01:23:04.640 And so much of it is self-inflicted wounds.

01:23:06.420 And just when I think they found the bottom, they find a trap door to go even deeper.

01:23:11.440 Yeah.

01:23:11.700 I mean, look at the GST cut, which started on the weekend.

01:23:15.440 Like, you know, usually when you cut taxes, you get popular because of that.

01:23:19.220 You know, maybe not a lot, but you get popular.

01:23:21.300 They became less popular.

01:23:23.640 They became more unpopular after bringing in a tax cut.

01:23:28.140 There's nothing that they're doing that is working.

01:23:30.960 And this has got today is a day of absolute chaos for the Liberal Party of Canada.

01:23:35.880 And it's got to send a message to cabinet and to caucus that the only solution is for Justin Trudeau to go.

01:23:42.880 Because the problem, if you look at all of these problems, they all come back to one guy.

01:23:47.200 They come back to him.

01:23:48.320 And this is a multifaceted problem.

01:23:51.320 These are intersecting crises.

01:23:52.960 We've got the looming crisis with our southern partners in the United States with the 25% tariffs.

01:24:00.260 This notion of a united team Canada approach, it's being stymied by the people who are supposed to be the leaders on the file, our prime minister and his team.

01:24:09.480 And on top of that, you've got the whole fake feminism of it all.

01:24:12.780 You put this all together in a blender, and I don't see how he's got the confidence of his team or the people to go sit and go toe-to-toe with Donald Trump.

01:24:25.340 No, and your point that you've just made is exactly the point Freeland makes in her letter.

01:24:31.620 She says, we have to work in good faith and humility with the premiers of the provinces and territories of our great and diverse country.

01:24:39.640 Boy, does that ever sound like a leadership candidate speech.

01:24:42.080 And build a true team Canada response.

01:24:45.340 Like, this isn't just a letter of resignation.

01:24:48.120 This is the beginning of a liberal leadership platform.

01:24:52.080 Like, there's no doubt that is what she's going to do in my mind.

01:24:55.100 And, like, she's looking pretty good this morning.

01:24:58.740 She was wearing a lot of stuff that the Trudeau government had been doing.

01:25:03.100 No longer.

01:25:03.840 She's on the outside.

01:25:05.540 And, you know, you and I have been talking about it for months.

01:25:09.300 One of the big problems is there was nobody waiting in the wings.

01:25:13.000 No clear successor.

01:25:14.900 Now there is one.

01:25:15.860 Chris Sirfieland.

01:25:16.580 Yeah, absolutely.

01:25:17.820 Lastly, you know, for him to go, who's going to be putting the pressure on him?

01:25:22.320 Because you had a few backbenchers who really didn't want to put their name on a document a few months ago.

01:25:27.540 Do you think people will be further emboldened?

01:25:30.240 Do you think that people will have the courage to actually go out there publicly from within the liberal ranks and say,

01:25:35.460 it's time for you to go, sir?

01:25:37.360 Well, he, you know, there have been people in caucus in the summertime who try to do that.

01:25:41.240 So, you know, Katie Telford and PMO refused to let them meet.

01:25:45.180 They refused to let them meet with Trudeau.

01:25:47.900 The House of Commons has been shut down over, you know, the release of those documents.

01:25:52.560 We've got to go.

01:25:53.080 We've got to go, my friend.

01:25:53.980 I apologize, but we'll talk soon.

01:25:55.700 No problem.

01:25:56.140 Don't despair

01:26:02.280 Just because it's Christmas

01:26:05.620 Children there

01:26:10.640 Are so gay at Christmas

01:26:13.940 All the children

01:26:19.020 On the street

01:26:20.920 Hope they get something good to eat

01:26:24.660 But for me

01:26:26.980 It's not so great

01:26:28.800 For Christmas

01:26:30.640 Fuck Christmas

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