KINSELLACAST 341： Go for your walk in the snow - now! With Lilley, Mraz, Kheiriddin, Johal, Belanger and Mulroney! Hot Nasties new tune debut! Primetime Failure, Porridge Radio, Taxi Girls, Pom Pom Squad and Fear!
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Summary
This week on The KinsellaCast, Warren talks about Justin Trudeau s eulogy at his father Gerald Butts' funeral, and why he thinks the Prime Minister is an alien. Plus, a new song from Porridge Radio and The Taxi Girls from Montreal.
Transcript
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It's the KinsellaCast, starring Warren Kinsella.
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Last night, however, at the East Barn, we had a wonderful meal,
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That kind of sucks, but welcome to air travel in Canada.
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And I hope all of you are getting ready for a great Christmas.
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Those of you who celebrate Hanukkah landing on the same day.
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And I regret to tell you, like, it's, we don't have much to talk about this week
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with Brian Lilly or John Mraz or Jazz Joel Hall or Tasha Carradine or Carl Belanger.
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And by the way, liberals, any of you liberals listening?
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It's like, oh yeah, that Kinsella guy, he's angry.
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Looks like you've all kind of come around to my point of view.
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Sort of get kind of boastful in that way, but it is quite amusing.
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So with lots of talk about this crazy week in Canadian politics with the aforementioned people.
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We got together a few weeks ago, recorded a new tune.
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Our producer, our producer, Annalise, put it together.
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It sounds pretty good, so we're going to leave with that.
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Yeah, they say, we've got three chords and it's enough.
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And Dana McGrawlian is the front person of Porridge Radio.
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If you were to take the offspring of Iggy Pop and Nobro, who are, by the way, extremely similar.
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And she's got a cover of Tommy James and Shondell's 1968 hit, Crimson and Clover, which spent 16 weeks on the charts.
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And I think her version is better than Tommy James.
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So, great, great show prior to the holidays kicking off.
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And then I think I'll have another show for you.
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Maybe truncated, as it were, just before the New Year.
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The thing you need to understand about Justin Trudeau is he doesn't live a life like you and I do.
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He's like David Bowie in Nicholas Roeg's The Man to Failed Earth.
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Like, he's impossibly good-looking and fabulously rich and effortlessly charismatic.
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And it was really the first time I got to examine him close up.
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And if you'd said he was breathing a different air than the rest of us, I would have believed it.
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And later on, I asked my wife about his obvious charisma.
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And she said to me, you know, every woman wants to be with him, even the married ones.
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But she used different words than be with, if you know what I mean.
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Anyway, being a political guy, I was always on the lookout for talent.
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So, when Trudeau's dad died, Justin gave the eulogy.
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But Justin Trudeau delivered the eulogy, like every single word in dramatic pause,
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It was the start of his prime ministerial campaign.
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Everybody else in Canada thought the eulogy came from the depths of Justin Trudeau's grief.
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But I knew it came from Gerald Butts' typewriter.
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So I started to wonder if Justin Trudeau was a bit of a phony.
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Like the liberal MP I ran into a few days ago at the liquor store.
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And I said to him, you know, wow, you're making this big and selfless decision to leave public life.
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And he said, oh, well, there may be a cabinet shuffle.
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Good morning, minister phony, minister of housing.
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You know, they don't say that Ottawa is Hollywood for ugly people for nothing, you know.
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But Trudeau's acting ability was like nothing I'd ever seen.
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And like, as the country would eventually discover, he could be hooked up to a battery of lie detectors and say that he's a fiscal conservative or that he'd never, ever worn blackface to parties with other rich white people to get a laugh or that he never, ever has been accused of groping a woman at a beer festival in B.C.
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He is one of those liars who lies so effortlessly.
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You can tell he believes his own lies and he achieves that state of gracelessness by never exposing himself to contrary facts.
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He doesn't pay any attention whatsoever to the news media.
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Like, he regarded the news media as fake news long before Donald Trump and his wing monkeys claimed to copyright the phrase.
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Like, Trudeau will do an event and then hop back on his Challenger jet and start scrolling through pictures of himself on Instagram.
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He doesn't give a shit about what people like me have to say.
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And he's aided and embedded in this by his Lady Macbeth, which is Katie Telford, his chief of staff.
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And I explained the Telford-Trudeau relationship to a liberal senator this week.
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And I said it was like coaching a sumo wrestler.
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Like, she feeds him candies and keeps him in the dark.
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And this liberal senator was laughing, so I thought he was going to have a stroke.
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But anyway, that is the main insight I can offer about Justin.
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And he doesn't read me or Brian Lilly or anyone.
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So he lives in a separate reality than you and I.
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Until the past week or so, when his universe shifted.
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He, the anti-racist, feminist, middle-class guy, fired Krista Freeland to clear the runway for another rich, white guy.
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And she hit back with the ferocity that only a spurned cultist possesses.
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Which is Kinsella in political rule number two, by the way.
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Never fire someone who knows a lot of stuff about you during a crisis.
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Anyway, her dear Justin letter, notwithstanding, Freeland's freefall was relevant not because she's become an 11th hour convert to fiscal probity.
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Or that having been a key member of the government that is itself a costly political gimmick, she now objects to costly political gimmicks.
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Her letter was relevant because it exposed him, the alien, to the unvarnished reality down here on Earth for the first time.
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With his own baby blues, Trudeau saw Freeland getting a standing ovation when she walked into the Liberal caucus this week.
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He saw, with his own eyes, a bigger lineup for her than for him at the Liberal Christmas party.
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He saw Liberal MP after Liberal MP get up on their hind legs, finally, and bleed out that he should go.
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His capacity for self-delusion and bullshit is bottomless, but I still think he will.
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He's finally seen that the jig is up, and he may be a total jerk, but he's not a total idiot.
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David Bowie's character, his alien character, and the man who fell to Earth, he never did leave.
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He waited too long to return to his home planet, because he thought he was loved by everybody down on Earth.
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God's record, start-up man, take you back to where it began.
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Ramones, jackets, dirty bars, clash mix tapes, PS car.
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We knew the worst, we knew the worst that we did.
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All this time, all this time, all this time, wait for nothing.
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John, you and I, you know, we've been liberals.
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And, you know, you've run liberal campaigns and worked on them.
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And, you know, we've been involved in the Liberal Party of Canada for a long time.
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And it actually kind of, for the first time, feels to me like the Liberal Party maybe won't die if it doesn't resolve its current problems.
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But it certainly could disappear for many, many, many, many years.
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Probably I'll be dead by the time it, you know, comes back into power.
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You and I have been talking about international affairs usually on the podcast.
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But Canada became international news this week because of what Christopher Freeland did.
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Where do you think this, maybe we should start with this, where do you think this is going to go?
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First of all, I think about the history of Canada and its storied two parties, really, first,
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which were the Liberal Party and the Conservative Party, the Cori's and the Gret's.
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Liberals were the Catholic Party and the Tories were the Protestant Party.
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And the Tories remain very much a new incarnation of sort of the Christian nationalism that informs Trump.
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And the Liberal Party are no longer the Catholic Party.
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They're very much a secular party, a globalist party, and a social democratic party.
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And not very much informed by their storied history and success in Confederation.
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Justin Trudeau seems wholly disassociated from reality.
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He has an active, it's not a fifth column, it's a first, second, third, fourth, and fifth column working against him now.
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Because the members of the Liberal Party recognize exactly what you just said so well,
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which is that we are on the precipice of disappearing, perhaps in the same way that the old Tories did
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and then had to reincarnate themselves as the, you know, the Reform Party.
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Now, their new incarnation is the party of Pierre Polyèvre,
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who speaks a pretty strong Christian nationalist game.
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The future of the Liberal Party itself is at stake now.
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But more importantly, I think we're international news because Christian Freeland's departure opens the door for Trump,
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who people seem to think is just trolling Canada when he speaks of us as the 51st state,
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when he speaks of Justin Trudeau as the governor of Canada or one of the back legs as the mayor of Canada,
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and of their ambition to see sort of a George Orwellian continental entity,
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maybe even including Mexico, of North American interests informed by Christian nationalism,
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because the Liberal Party has not been strong enough to defend our very national interests of sovereignty.
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And Pierre Polyèvre, by the way, has not been particularly forceful in his pushback.
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Because you and I share, I think, the same views on him as well.
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But, you know, you, as I said off the top, as somebody who run campaigns,
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And you've been like me, you know, where you've been disaffected and moved away from the Liberal Party,
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But, you know, we've been hearing from people all week.
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And so I'm curious, without naming names, what you've been hearing from people on the inside,
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and just about the inside, about where they think this is going to go, and where it should go.
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Well, first of all, most of the liberals I know, if they still are members or identify as liberals,
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They say, oh, I'm really not a member of Trudeau's party.
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But they might caveat that by saying, but I'm still a small L liberal.
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Not a capital L liberal, but a small L liberal.
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And they recognize that we are living on fumes.
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And I think the smart set also recognize that if you look at the list of leadership candidates,
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which is, I think, where you're trying to lead me, and rightfully so,
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if you look at the folks who sort of might want to inherit the estate,
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Chrystia Freeland seems like she might be one of them, Dominic LeBlanc, there's a few others,
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Mark Carney, the guy who never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity to start his political career,
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and who's more likely to become the finance minister at this point, I think of the Tories, than he is of the Liberal Party.
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I think for us to reinvigorate ourselves, to make ourselves relevant to Canadians again,
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if we are Liberals, small L Liberals, or we once again, you and I become capital L Liberals,
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because I can't think of a single Liberal leadership candidate or aspirant
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that isn't tied to the sinking ship dragged down by the anchor that is Trudeau of his incarnation of our once storied party.
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I do not identify myself as capital L Liberals anymore, and haven't for, well, since he became Prime Minister,
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Well, there are some names out there who are on the outside.
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The one I really like, you know, because I tend to be a Western Canadian,
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and because I'm a kind of a Blue Liberal, is Christy Clark,
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because she's a Westerner and kind of a Blue Liberal, and also a woman.
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And like, that, to me, one thing that was kind of left out of the mix this week
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was the appalling treatment that Trudeau has meted out to Christopher Ferland,
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and not just, you know, by firing her by Zoom on Friday and saying,
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oh, by the way, can you keep delivering the fall economic statement on Monday and then quit?
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But, you know, leaking against her and humiliating her since the summer,
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and she sucked it up and took it as she has.
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You know, she's a member of a cult, so, you know, they do that.
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Like, I think there's been precious little attention that paid to the fact that
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if you ever wanted proof that this son of a bitch is not a feminist,
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Justin Trudeau, look how he treated this woman.
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I think he's actually quite bisexual in his enmity to all human beings.
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I think he treats men and women equally poorly.
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You know, it doesn't, of course, help that he keeps on telling us that he's a feminist.
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The mother of my childhood, I think one of the most powerful women
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and inspirational women I know, always told me,
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the job of a man is not to convince women around him that he's a feminist.
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The job of a man who is a feminist is to say nothing
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and speak to men who are chauvinists when women aren't around about their prejudice.
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Justin Trudeau, I mean, I'd like him to take a long walk in the slush.
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And with respect to Christy Clark, because I worked out west
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who was sort of a big deal in the Liberal Party as well, Mark.
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At one point, her battle will be, and she's a very capable politician,
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She is somebody not tied to the anchor and sinking ship
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I think her battle will be, first of all, Quebec.
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But more importantly, I don't think most people west, pardon me,
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east of Alberta have any idea who Christy Clark is at all.
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So Trudeau's gotten a respite until we should end up this way,
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because people are saying, well, what's going to happen now?
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However, he's got some runway now until January the 27th, when the House comes back.
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But even then, he's got some runway, because the opposition parties, as you know,
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under the rules of the House of Commons, don't have an opportunity.
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They don't have a so-called opposition day until March to vote him down,
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which Jagmeet Singh has now finally said he's going to do.
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Does the Liberal Party have some time, if he says, you know,
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I've written a letter to the President of the Liberal Party
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and go for a leadership convention, and it's been the greatest honor of my life,
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Does the Liberal Party of Canada have enough time, John Mraz,
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as a guy who has put these together, to run a proper leadership convention
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and rehabilitate itself in time for the next election?
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You know, as you asked that, I don't know why I thought of this.
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And I keep on hearing rumors that it has nothing to do with pensions,
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that Justin Trudeau wants to hold until June so he can be the grand,
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the elder statesman of the next G7 meeting, which is possible.
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But we do now know that the new Socialist Party, it's no longer the Christian,
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it's no longer the CCF, it's no longer the NDP,
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it is now the party of not even lipstick limousine people,
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that they say they're going to bring down the government march,
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which they very much could, the Ides of March coming.
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I think any leadership contest, even if it were to start today,
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should and would take longer if it was to produce an effective result of new ideas,
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new personalities, and a vigorous debate longer than three months.
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So we're going to end up with, whether they're elected by straw poll,
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by electronic poll, or by a quickly organized national convention,
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an interim leader who will be slaughtered, I hope not as badly as Kim Campbell,
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I think that the entire party's architecture needs to be deconstructed
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and reassembled on new, firm foundations of a solid set of policies
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and not driven by personality, but by principles.
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John Mraz, I know you don't celebrate, I know you don't observe,
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and hopefully you have some time for next week's show
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so we'll be able to do our year's winners and losers,
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Nothing really matters, all the baggage that we
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Nothing really matters, all the baggage that we
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And time is sure we've reached the end of the line
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Nothing really matters, all the baggage that we
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Nothing really matters, all the baggage that we
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But it's no fault, I guess I'm singing it higher
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Yet it's no fault, I guess I'm singing it higher
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Because it's no fault, I guess I'm singing it higher
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It's been a whole thing about our hands, I've been trying
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It's been a whole thing about our hands, I've been trying
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Joining us to chat this morning is the president at Traction Strategies
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Well, I'm wondering what's on the Prime Minister's Christmas list this year
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But, you know, I was kind of thinking this week
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We were supposed to get this economic statement on Monday
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The Trudeau government was going to ride off into the sunset
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Just a few hours ahead of that fall economic statement
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Because that kind of sparked all of this political chaos
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I'm not sure much would surprise you guys anymore
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But were you surprised by this last-minute resignation?
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I don't remember any kind of resignation like that
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Before the journalists were to go into the lock-up
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So it's been like washing a car accident in slow motion
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And what you've got now is a government in full crisis mode
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With the Prime Minister who has lost most of its authority
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Namely because it took so long for the NDP to realize
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Well, we can only hope that he will receive a nice snowfall
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So he can take that proverbial walk in the snow
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But you said like 12 things that we want to pick up on
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And that was the, you know, the interesting part
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And then you had the sort of like chickens without heads
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The thought that, oh, everyone's refusing to step into these shoes
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Does that mean that they are all hedging their bets on the leader?
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Which it should have been the focus of the week
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And it became this continuing psychodrama all week
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I'm writing to the governor general to, you know
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After Christopher Freeland set the dominoes falling
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That the liberals should probably listen to right now
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I think Tasha kind of summed up the week's events
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Consternation and criticism of the liberal government
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I want, want, want, want, want, want, want, want
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and i'm freezing my ass off where i am but brian lily is stateside somewhere and it's nice and
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warm and beautiful and i'm jealous brian lily welcome yeah i've been singing ll cool jay's
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famous going back to cali song for the past couple days and now i'm here so i can't complain
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yeah it is nicer it's warmer there's a reason canadians come down south in the winter and
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you just inspired me i'm gonna play some ll cool jay at the end of your segment going back to cali no
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mama said knock you out gonna do mama say let's let's talk about that let's talk about that because
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mama freeland tried to knock him out did she knock him out is he done i don't see how the government
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survives past um say march or april and you and i we ended up on a few conference calls this week
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trying to figure out everything was going on and the way that we've got it mapped out right now is
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uh well one he he didn't leave but you and i said he wouldn't leave right away you still think you'll
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leave longer term i'm not sure so you've at least got me in the not sure camp after what two years of
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he's not leaving yay lunch at the diner on lily only if he goes but i've moved into not sure he
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could but you know on friday when jagmeet sing said oh i'll bring in a a uh non-confidence motion at
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the earliest possible moment but you say that a couple days after the house rises which means the
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earliest you can bring it in is january 27th and the most likely early earliest date that um
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the house would be able to vote on that is march 20th that for everyone that was saying lily you're
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being too over the top with the pension thing he doesn't need the pension um but he's playing as if
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it is for his pension right he he doesn't say he'll bring the government down until his pension is
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vested which unless trudeau calls an early election it's now vested yeah he's covered so he's good
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he's he's acting like it is whether that's the reason or not so it doesn't help him with his critics
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and you know saying you'll bring down the government was eight days after he just voted confidence in
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them for the eighth time since saying he was done with trudeau and trudeau has to go and i'm ripping up
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the agreement just means saying deserves to be demolished in this next next election so the
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earliest that we could go and by the way the opposition days will likely be allotted there's
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a good chance that the conservatives won't get one until like february 27th or 28th which means they
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can't vote on it until march 17th so if that happens uh you and i'll be uh hoisting some pints to
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celebrate saint patrick's day saint patrick's day uh government defeat and an easter rising uh new
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government not bad well what do you think um what do you think well you you know there you got
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liberals are out there who are talking about just let's just do a rush job let's just jam in the next
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leader who apparently they think is christopher freeland god help them what like what's going on
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okay nancy pelosi let's uh let's take out the guy that people say they can't support anymore
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and install a woman who has not faced any political testing in terms of winning on her own
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i think we just saw this movie didn't end well and and you know i i know some american voters were
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turned off by the way kamala harris talked in terms of like laughing and cackling that was not the case
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with me but christia freeland talks to canadians like they're five-year-old idiots yeah and that will
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turn off an awful lot of voters say christia freeland's your sudden savior instead of mark carney who
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oh wait nobody's talking about mark carney because trudeau offered the job or took the job away from
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freeland before carney agreed to take it one of the stupidest political moves i've ever seen
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but eddie goldenberg who you used to work with the christian's former chief of staff it's being
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played up as if this is a christian idea i highly doubt it but i don't talk to the guy um this is a
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very bad idea the last time the liberals did this uh they got bob ray uh and michael ignatief in a room
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for a rotisserie chicken dinner after stefan dion stepped down it's true it's true it sounds like
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i'm making it up well it's true folks he speaks the truth over a rotisserie chicken dinner and said
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one of you has got to go and one of you can be leader and they made it eggy and i i spent the next
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couple of years wanting to yell out at every scrum didn't you used to be that interesting guy michael
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ignatiev yeah because he was wooden and and boring still a very interesting guy he was a horrible
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politician bob ray much better politician you but a new democrat um so i i don't think these are good
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options but i don't know what a good option is howard anglin who's a very smart guy worked in harper
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pmo yeah headed up the canadian um uh constitutional foundation he's a lawyer he's an academic he's
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studying for his phd at oxford at the moment he was involved in one of these threads on x about
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an idea that i had said here's a possibility where trudeau you know around the time of the house
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coming back goes to the governor general and says well i'm going to prorog and he prorogues long
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enough for the liberals to hold their four-month um leadership race because that's what the liberal
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constitution requires will they follow that who knows um but if the if he goes to the gg and tries
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that would the gg grant that or would the gg actually say well they're all saying they're going
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to vote you down we need a functioning government you're required to face the house to show you have
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confidence first that's a possibility i mean there's so many possibilities um on on the conference
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call the other day when you and i and adrian batcher and jonathan kingstone and everyone's
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talking about it i just kept going back to that great canadian uh quebec law saying if my grandmother
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had he did folks he said it over and over again the reason why brian said that and is there are too
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many variables here and there's too much speculation about what justin's gonna do and christy clark and
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and mark carney and so on when you've got the reporting that telford and leblanc and and miller
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are all trying to convince them to stay and telford's not putting in calls to uh anyone but
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uh supporters people who want trudeau to stay i i can confirm that after the cabinet meeting
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happened on uh earlier in the week uh the one where freeland just said she's out 23 minutes before it was
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supposed to start so there was the cabinet meeting and then several of them went back to trudeau's
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office and it was leblanc and miller and telford was there so i can confirm that did happen
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and so they've prevailed upon him to stay but as you've pointed out to everybody who would listen
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and should listen you know he's got runway till the 27th of january as you've just pointed out because
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you're one of the few people who actually understands the arcane rules of the house of commons
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being on the vote at the earliest opportunity is september st patrick's day um so you know he's
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got some time here um you know i guess the final question maybe we conclude with this one
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the like does the liberal party have time so let's say they he let's say he goes let's say they have a
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leadership race you know four months or otherwise let's say they have a new leader whoever it is i don't
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care pick a name can they win like right now the polls like even ecos has got a seat projection
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showing liberal party of canada reduced to 12 seats that's gone for a decade and a half that's like
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it's all over for a long long time what do you think of their chances in the election when it comes
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because it's coming i i used to be able to look and try and map out different ways that the liberals
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could come back because i always say never count them out uh i don't see a single name that's there
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right now like i said i don't think it's freeland i don't think that um she's got the retail charm
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uh and and she talks down to to canadians um champagne um i don't think he has enough time
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um jolie you know she's the one that worries me because you and i and i have spoken to several
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liberals i know you have who worry that she will just try and win the leadership on the issue of
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gaza and radically shift the the liberal party's position maybe that gives her enough of a boost
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based on demographics but that's a very worrisome sign if we elect the next prime minister of canada
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based on gas and politics and support for hamas and hezbollah um carney is is not a retail politician
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there was nobody who's built up as a natural successor everyone talked about freeland but it was never
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going to be freeland in my view for for the reasons i just mentioned so i i i can't see
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a way that that this happens um i do want to point out something that that i noticed that coming down
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here both canada and the united states are in a position where nobody really knows who's in charge
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um because the biden biden is apparently still president but everyone's acting like it's trump
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trudeau is apparently still prime minister but we're not sure if he wants the job he's got a new
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cabinet and uh and and they've pledged loyalty to him in exchange for a few shekels uh a limo and
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the title honorable that they keep for the rest of their lives but is he really in charge does he have
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any mandate it's a messed up world right now it sure is and and on the trump point i totally even forgot
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about it trump actually lost the debt ceiling vote he had people rebelling against him it's rebellions
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everywhere and they only did and there's only voices of calm and reason are are brian and warren so
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people should keep listening to us so listen brother i just want to wish you and yours the merriest of
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christmas a happy hanukkah just have a wonderful time down there very grateful for your contributions
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over the past year and hopefully you have time next weekend uh before it's the new year before 2025
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talk about talk about winners and losers politically of the year that would be kind of fun i think we'll
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still be trying to figure out who the hell's in charge well listen man have a great time down there
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this week merry christmas wish i was there with you you probably don't and uh we'll talk to you next
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give me a break is what you always say and i don't understand you anymore you're a version of yourself
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i don't know when i deplore down on your throat and up your back slide yourself all the way
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save these things that i wanna say i have save these things for a rainy rainy a rainy day
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this is a song for you to read between the lines where are you going what will you find what do you do
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and you cannot fill your cup do you take from someone else to give yourself that one last word up
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down your throat and up your back let it take you all the way away save these things that i i wanna say i have
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save these things for a rainy rainy a rainy day
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save these things for a rainy rainy a rainy day
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you aresta i will just wanna say i hope so with a chilly morning you know what do you think that i was going to do
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like something that i also told you about can during the world
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And let's touch on what's transpired in Ottawa today.
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We got an update from Ian Bailey from the Globe and Mail at 3 o'clock.
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I want to revisit this story because there's so much going on, as we learned.
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Dominic LeBlanc earlier today was sworn in as the Finance Minister for Canada,
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replacing Chrystia Freeland, who resigned as Finance Minister and Deputy Prime Minister this morning.
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Mr. LeBlanc, after he was sworn in, was asked when the Prime Minister came to him,
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offering him the finance portfolio, and whether he was the first person to be asked to take on the role.
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That wasn't the conversation I had with the Prime Minister.
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You'd have to talk to the Prime Minister about those issues.
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He asked me to assume this responsibility and to remain the Intergovernmental Affairs Minister,
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to assume the Chair's role of the Canada-U.S. Cabinet Committee,
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So that was my conversation with him, and it's an enormous privilege.
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It's an enormous privilege to serve as the Finance Minister,
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and it's something that I will pour my heart and soul into for as long as I have the job.
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That was Dominic LeBlanc speaking earlier today.
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Of course, all of that occurred after Chrystia Freeland made her surprise declaration,
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saying that she was making her exit from Cabinet because the Prime Minister had lost faith in her.
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And that he also said that she fought back against some of his policy decisions,
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and that he wanted to assign her to a new role.
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Of course, you can expect the opposition was hammering away at the government today.
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Conservative leader Pierre Paglia pushed for an election,
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and the NDP, Jagmeet Singh, demanded Trudeau step down.
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What we are seeing is the government of Canada itself is spiraling out of control,
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right before our eyes, and at the very worst time.
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Out of control spending has doubled our national debt,
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boosted interest rates, and threatened our social programs.
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Now, Housing Minister Sean Frazier has resigned in the middle of a housing crisis.
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The Finance Minister is resigning in the middle of an economic crisis,
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and a fifth of his Liberal caucus has lost confidence in him.
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Justin Trudeau has lost control, and yet he clings to power.
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We cannot accept this kind of chaos, division, weakness,
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while we're staring down the barrel of a 25% tariff from our biggest trading partner and closest ally.
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But what is clear, Justin Trudeau and a Liberal government that are focused on themselves,
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they are infighting at a time when people cannot even do their groceries.
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They can't even find homes that are affordable.
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And we've got the threat of Donald Trump and 25% tariffs that mean hundreds of thousands of jobs are at risk.
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Because of that, I'm saying very clearly that Justin Trudeau has to resign.
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Well, joining me now to talk a little bit about what transpired today is Warren Kinsella.
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He's a Toronto-based lawyer, author and consultant,
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and a former Special Assistant to Prime Minister Jean Chrétien.
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Warren, as always, thank you so much for your time.
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Like, just whatever word you want to apply to it.
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This has got to be the worst day in the Liberal Party's recent history.
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And, you know, it started very early in the day,
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just minutes before Christopher Phelan was supposed to release her economic update.
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And, like my friend, it was a rocket aimed right at Justin Trudeau,
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accusing him of engaging in costly political gimmicks,
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I mean, she even talked in the letter, basically said,
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we're going to lose the election, and we've got to do better.
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Like, every button she could hit to indicate lack of faith,
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lack of confidence in the Prime Minister, she hit.
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Or is it a question of just being stubborn and sticking around?
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and I've talked to members of the Liberal Caucus and staff and so on,
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is he's being insulated, I am told, by Katie Telford,
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what the full state of play is, what the polls are saying,
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But today is a day that would not escape his attention.
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not just his Minister of Finance, his Deputy Prime Minister.
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You know, this is the second most powerful person in his government,
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And when she walked, I don't know if you saw it,
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just when she walked into the Liberal Caucus meeting
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That clearly is a lack of confidence in Justin Trudeau.
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Christia Freeland, one would argue, is competent.
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And you essentially, in a very public way, say,
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well, I want to bring in the former Bank of Canada
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and Bank of England governor to replace you, potentially.
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I don't understand who thought this was a good idea
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And like, the other thing that's been happening
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had been leaking against the Minister of Finance
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Today is the Finance Minister and Deputy Prime Minister, Christia Freeland, has stepped down and resigned.
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She sent her letter to the Prime Minister, and it reads, I mean, it's a devastating read.
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Warren, welcome back to the show. Thank you so much.
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Okay, so this letter, if you just read it, it's an excellent, it's a riveting read, but you're a master of political communication.
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She's declared her candidacy for the liberal leadership.
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Like this letter, Ben, is a rocket directly at Justin Trudeau's credibility and his claim to being a feminist.
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Like, listen to this. She talks about the Trump tariff.
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She said we need to take that extremely seriously.
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That means keeping our fiscal powder dry today.
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So we have the reserves we may need for a coming tariff war.
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That means it's chewing costly political gimmicks.
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She's accusing the Prime Minister of Canada of engaging in political gimmicks.
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But you sort of, on Friday, on our political panel, you suggested that there was something coming.
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Well, I knew that she had a book coming in February.
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But I don't think I or she even thought that she was going to leave this soon.
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I do know that she had been working the phones.
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She had been talking to people, important people.
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I think you can guess who, about what she should do.
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Because the Prime Minister's office, the office of the Prime Minister, was leaking against the Finance Minister.
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And the one thing, you know, Martin and Kretzky have showed, and I work for Kretzky at full disclosure,
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you know, you don't have to love each other, but you have to work.
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There can't be any light between the Minister of Finance and the Prime Minister.
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And this Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, basically broke with his own finance minister and started leaking against her.
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Was the timing of this proof that she did not want to wear the disaster that was the fall economic statement?
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A hundred percent, you know, because we had seen that leak in the past 24 hours that she didn't want to go ahead with the $250 check to everybody, or just about everybody.
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And I saw that as a sign that maybe she was going to stick around at that point because she'd won the fight with PMO.
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But obviously, she fired off this letter in both official languages this morning and said, enough is enough.
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Basically, she said, I cannot trust the Prime Minister of Canada, but I'm going to stick around and I'm going to be a visual reminder that nobody else should trust him either.
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Well, it also points out, she says, I'm going to stick around.
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I'm going to run for my seat, which means if she's not running for that seat in the next election, it's because he put pressure on her to leave, to boot her from the party.
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Which is what he did to Jody Wilson-Raybould, which is what he did to Jane Philpott.
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Like the history here of the Liberal Party, which I know a little bit about, you know, when John Turner was finance minister and he broke with Pierre Trudeau, he left to go join the law firm Macmillan Bench, where full disclosure, I worked as well.
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And, but he was rusty, you know, he was away too long, and your dad beat him and clobbered him.
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When Paul Martin left, he did what Freeland is doing.
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He said, okay, I'm quitting as minister of finance, or you fired me as minister of finance, but I'm going to stay put, which he did, and he became prime minister, and he became prime minister for a lot longer than John Turner did.
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So I think she's learned from that experience, Freeland, and she's sticking around and saying, you're not going to drive me out of the party like you did with Jody or Jane.
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We've got to talk about the Mark Carney of it all.
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I was musing with my producer earlier before this news broke.
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Why would he want to join this government at this point?
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And now, to me, it seems there's even less of an argument to join them now.
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As a matter of fact, I was saying to my colleagues at Daisy Group this morning, they told me I need to use this line with you.
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And I said to them, this isn't just Carney jumping onto the deck of the Titanic.
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It's him jumping onto the deck of the Titanic when it's on fire and there's an outbreak of bubonic plague.
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But obviously, Trudeau on Friday said to Christopher Freeland, I want you out so I can bring this guy in.
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I think everybody's forgotten about poor old Mr. Fraser from Nova Scotia, the immigration minister, former immigration minister, who quit this morning and nobody's even paying attention to it.
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Like this, Ben, this is a government that's fallen apart right in front of ours.
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I've never seen a government so bereft of ideas, so listless and drifting around with no aims, no goals.
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And just when I think they found the bottom, they find a trap door to go even deeper.
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I mean, look at the GST cut, which started on the weekend.
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Like, you know, usually when you cut taxes, you get popular because of that.
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You know, maybe not a lot, but you get popular.
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They became more unpopular after bringing in a tax cut.
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There's nothing that they're doing that is working.
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And this has got today is a day of absolute chaos for the Liberal Party of Canada.
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And it's got to send a message to cabinet and to caucus that the only solution is for Justin Trudeau to go.
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Because the problem, if you look at all of these problems, they all come back to one guy.
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We've got the looming crisis with our southern partners in the United States with the 25% tariffs.
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This notion of a united team Canada approach, it's being stymied by the people who are supposed to be the leaders on the file, our prime minister and his team.
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And on top of that, you've got the whole fake feminism of it all.
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You put this all together in a blender, and I don't see how he's got the confidence of his team or the people to go sit and go toe-to-toe with Donald Trump.
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No, and your point that you've just made is exactly the point Freeland makes in her letter.
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She says, we have to work in good faith and humility with the premiers of the provinces and territories of our great and diverse country.
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Boy, does that ever sound like a leadership candidate speech.
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This is the beginning of a liberal leadership platform.
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Like, there's no doubt that is what she's going to do in my mind.
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And, like, she's looking pretty good this morning.
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She was wearing a lot of stuff that the Trudeau government had been doing.
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And, you know, you and I have been talking about it for months.
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One of the big problems is there was nobody waiting in the wings.
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Lastly, you know, for him to go, who's going to be putting the pressure on him?
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Because you had a few backbenchers who really didn't want to put their name on a document a few months ago.
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Do you think people will be further emboldened?
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Do you think that people will have the courage to actually go out there publicly from within the liberal ranks and say,
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Well, he, you know, there have been people in caucus in the summertime who try to do that.
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So, you know, Katie Telford and PMO refused to let them meet.
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The House of Commons has been shut down over, you know, the release of those documents.