kinsellacast - KINSELLACAST 343： Happy New Year with Lilley, Kheiriddin, Mraz, Belanger, Vuong, Bennett

00:00:00.000 It's the KinsellaCast, starring Warren Kinsella.

00:00:20.000 Hey, it's Warren. Welcome to KinsellaCast and Happy New Year.

00:00:24.240 Although it hasn't been a very happy new year, has it?

00:00:27.620 I'm starting off with an Islamist terror attack in New Orleans, my dad's favorite city,

00:00:37.880 by an all-American boy born and raised in the United States in the South.

00:00:44.480 I don't know if I pledged allegiance to ISIS and killed 15 innocent people on New Year's Eve.

00:00:51.640 It was not the way I think any of us want in 2025 to start.

00:00:55.140 But it is where we are at now in the world, so I'll talk about that in a minute.

00:01:00.840 Other things that we will be talking about on this, the first podcast of 2025,

00:01:05.980 the KinsellaCast, is with Brian Lilly, talking about just the absolute circus

00:01:10.940 that has befallen the Trudeau Liberals in Ottawa.

00:01:16.640 All of that stuff. He's been in the States for the past few weeks,

00:01:19.220 so he'll probably have some insights about that.

00:01:21.040 John Mraz and I talking about Ukraine, talking about Israel, talking about Canada.

00:01:26.440 We've got the CFRA panel with Tasha Carradine, Carl Blanger,

00:01:31.380 mainly talking about the circus in Ottawa and the clowns who populate it.

00:01:37.480 We've got Kevin Vong and I talking about the future Liberal Party.

00:01:40.220 Jill Binning and I talking about the same thing.

00:01:42.380 And on the West Coast, and also the candidate, I think, that would have the most prospects,

00:01:46.580 which is Christy Clark, and some amazing music.

00:01:50.060 So what I've done is I've gone through, I did a massive period, I've done 11 of these.

00:01:56.260 Basically, I put together the music that we have on this show,

00:02:01.140 and I periodically release them.

00:02:03.800 I did four hours' worth of stuff.

00:02:06.080 I went through all of 2024 for the most killer riffs.

00:02:10.020 And you can find it on Spotify, you can find it on my website,

00:02:14.680 you can find it all over the place.

00:02:16.380 So I'll put it up again.

00:02:18.140 Martin Dixon kindly put it together, curated it over on Spotify,

00:02:23.080 which I don't know how to do, but he does.

00:02:26.200 So thank you, Martin.

00:02:27.940 And so I've got Bass Drum of Death kicking things off

00:02:31.100 with just this brilliant, brilliant riff,

00:02:34.480 just catchier than a drawer full of fishhooks.

00:02:38.220 Pink Spiders from some years ago,

00:02:41.400 who I played on the show before.

00:02:45.120 Well, yeah, of course I did, because it's big songs in 2024.

00:02:49.220 Primetime Failure, then Will Dorado, Bad Luck.

00:02:53.100 Laura Jane Grace.

00:02:54.020 You know, I adore her, but I adored her more

00:03:00.200 when she was in Against Me.

00:03:02.340 She's gone off in different directions in the past few years,

00:03:07.380 which she's entitled to do.

00:03:10.740 Just not as much of it as Turn My Crank,

00:03:12.940 but this song does.

00:03:14.680 Just amazing riff.

00:03:17.720 And then N.J. Lenderman with She's Leaving You,

00:03:22.060 which I've played at least a couple times on this show,

00:03:24.800 and it's just, like, catchier in hell.

00:03:26.620 So catchy tunes and some smart pundits.

00:03:33.600 Punditizing?

00:03:35.700 Punditizing?

00:03:36.740 I don't know.

00:03:37.760 But, you know, talking about 2025 and what's coming.

00:03:41.460 One of the things I want to talk about,

00:03:42.860 as I mentioned a minute ago,

00:03:44.180 is the state of awfulness in the world,

00:03:48.920 which has been measured for me.

00:03:52.060 In a lot of ways, by the surge,

00:03:56.760 the avalanche, the tide of anti-Semitism

00:03:59.580 that's taking place everywhere.

00:04:02.700 And, you know, I don't come to this position

00:04:05.480 with any enthusiasm,

00:04:06.720 but the left has become anti-Semitic.

00:04:10.120 And it wasn't always that way.

00:04:12.700 The manifestations of Jew hatred,

00:04:14.660 both hardcore Aryan Nations,

00:04:16.780 Ku Klux Klan, Heritage Front,

00:04:18.420 and the fringe,

00:04:20.220 Keek, Stroud, Malcolm Ross, you name it.

00:04:22.200 I talk about them all in my book,

00:04:23.800 Web of Hate.

00:04:24.780 They were always on the right,

00:04:26.500 and not so long ago.

00:04:27.880 And then something changed.

00:04:29.460 For about 60 years or so,

00:04:32.160 the Anti-Defamation League

00:04:33.580 has done polling in North America

00:04:35.420 about anti-Semitism and its variants.

00:04:39.360 And year after year,

00:04:40.880 the polls show that young people

00:04:42.260 considered themselves progressive,

00:04:44.280 and they passionately opposed racism

00:04:46.760 and anti-Semitism as a result.

00:04:49.360 And about five years or so ago,

00:04:51.940 there was a shift,

00:04:53.200 and progressive young people

00:04:54.560 still considered themselves anti-racist,

00:04:56.820 but they started to associate Israel

00:04:58.900 with racism.

00:05:00.220 So Israel,

00:05:02.300 and this young people told the ADL,

00:05:04.720 and other pollsters,

00:05:05.800 they'll find the same thing,

00:05:06.980 was a fascist,

00:05:08.220 colonial, apartheid state.

00:05:10.440 And the reality, of course,

00:05:11.600 is otherwise.

00:05:12.520 A quarter of Israel is Arabic,

00:05:15.040 and about 45% of the Jewish population itself

00:05:19.100 is from Africa or Asia.

00:05:20.900 So it's non-white, in other words,

00:05:22.760 but it didn't matter,

00:05:24.260 because hate is always disinterested

00:05:26.300 in reality and facts.

00:05:27.800 To oppose Israel was to oppose racism,

00:05:31.240 young progressives told themselves.

00:05:33.340 So now,

00:05:34.480 every Israel-hating progressive you see

00:05:36.900 in our streets,

00:05:38.840 the protesters,

00:05:39.900 every bit of anti-Zionist blood libel

00:05:42.020 you see online,

00:05:43.320 it all can be traced back to that lie,

00:05:46.580 that Israel is a white supremacist empire,

00:05:49.940 subjugating and oppressing

00:05:51.100 the impoverished, brown-skinned people

00:05:52.980 who were there first,

00:05:54.760 even though they weren't.

00:05:56.080 Yossi Klein-Halevi,

00:05:57.800 is a friend and an amazing guy

00:05:59.920 who I talk to in my forthcoming book.

00:06:03.060 We'll talk about the forthcoming book soon.

00:06:05.400 And, you know,

00:06:06.280 I asked him about all of this.

00:06:07.640 And he said to me,

00:06:08.520 you know,

00:06:08.740 it begins with colonialism,

00:06:10.580 and then it moved,

00:06:11.940 like there was a progression

00:06:13.120 of accusations against Israel,

00:06:15.200 I guess is what he's saying.

00:06:16.160 So it started with colonialism,

00:06:18.180 then it moved to ethnic cleansing,

00:06:19.660 then it went to apartheid,

00:06:20.980 and now it's culminated in genocide,

00:06:22.740 and there's nowhere else

00:06:23.660 to go after genocide.

00:06:24.740 And he said that's their ultimate goal.

00:06:28.380 This is what he said,

00:06:29.120 quote,

00:06:29.460 because if Israel is a genocidal state,

00:06:31.700 like Nazi Germany was,

00:06:33.740 then Israel becomes incapable

00:06:35.240 of waging a legitimate war of self-defense,

00:06:37.800 because a genocidal state

00:06:39.520 has no right to self-defense,

00:06:41.680 end quote.

00:06:42.680 So it's not just young people

00:06:44.020 who have been seized

00:06:44.760 with this hateful virus,

00:06:45.960 of course.

00:06:46.400 It is everywhere in this country,

00:06:50.120 even with those who have power,

00:06:51.760 those who almost without exception

00:06:53.580 are on the ideological left.

00:06:55.040 So everywhere there's a left-leaning mayor,

00:06:58.180 Toronto's Olivia Chow,

00:07:00.140 Montreal's Valerie Plante,

00:07:03.400 Victoria's Marianne Alto.

00:07:05.220 There's been this spasm of anti-Semitism

00:07:07.280 and anti-Semitic crime

00:07:08.740 accompanied by a total failure of policing.

00:07:12.200 And municipal police forces

00:07:13.300 are in the sway of mayors,

00:07:15.260 theoretically.

00:07:16.820 So nationally,

00:07:17.780 those who for now rule this country

00:07:19.880 have been unwilling to do anything

00:07:22.320 beyond tweets and posts

00:07:24.600 of the thoughts and prayers variety.

00:07:28.060 Trudeau and his deputy,

00:07:29.960 Mr. Singh,

00:07:31.080 have done precisely nothing

00:07:32.540 to stem the tide of Jew hatred

00:07:34.220 that is everywhere.

00:07:36.860 And they've made,

00:07:38.060 it's like to be conservative

00:07:39.280 is to ally yourself with Israel,

00:07:41.400 I guess, to them.

00:07:43.140 Meanwhile,

00:07:43.540 those who ostensibly represent us

00:07:45.600 on the world stage,

00:07:47.100 like our idiotic

00:07:48.240 global affairs minister,

00:07:49.440 Melanie Jolie,

00:07:50.540 has said that terrorists

00:07:52.280 in Hamas deserve a seat

00:07:53.640 at the negotiating table.

00:07:55.360 She's falsely accused Israel

00:07:56.780 of killing hundreds

00:07:57.620 at a Gaza hospital.

00:07:58.860 That post is still up.

00:08:00.580 Anyway,

00:08:01.040 in academia,

00:08:02.320 public service unions,

00:08:03.680 it's the same.

00:08:04.400 Institutions on the left

00:08:05.740 have become willing captives

00:08:07.360 of Jew hatred,

00:08:09.380 spewing ahistorical,

00:08:11.500 fraudulent conspiracy theories

00:08:13.100 because of racism,

00:08:16.220 what they allege is racism.

00:08:18.240 And it's depressing

00:08:19.260 and it's just relentless.

00:08:21.180 Anyway,

00:08:21.560 so in May,

00:08:22.200 I'll conclude this way,

00:08:23.280 I was in Israel,

00:08:24.500 just outside Tel Aviv,

00:08:25.600 and we'd stopped

00:08:26.340 for some shawarma

00:08:27.480 at a roadside stand,

00:08:29.360 it was a gas station,

00:08:30.320 I think,

00:08:30.640 and lined up ahead of us

00:08:32.420 were Israel Defense Force

00:08:33.960 for soldiers in uniform.

00:08:36.660 And there were women,

00:08:38.340 there were ones

00:08:38.940 who were black and brown skinned,

00:08:41.280 they were speaking Arabic,

00:08:42.740 which is Israel's second language.

00:08:44.500 And I looked at the soldiers

00:08:46.000 and shook my head,

00:08:46.840 and I said,

00:08:47.160 if this is an apartheid state,

00:08:49.180 it sure doesn't look like one.

00:08:51.100 That's what I said to Larry Marr,

00:08:52.600 who was our Canadian guide

00:08:54.360 on the mission.

00:08:56.180 And I said to him,

00:08:56.780 you know,

00:08:56.980 I wish progressives

00:08:58.060 back home could see this.

00:08:59.400 And Larry gave a bit of a smile,

00:09:01.700 and he said,

00:09:02.680 they still wouldn't see it.

00:09:04.520 You said to you step down,

00:09:20.320 I fell into the head of the crowd,

00:09:23.700 so you can make the plan.

00:09:25.160 When the time's real hard

00:09:33.360 All the time you got your boys downtown

00:09:36.400 I'll keep playing

00:09:38.320 What you got it

00:09:46.420 What you mean in the world

00:09:50.320 What you got it

00:09:53.200 Can I be a star or a beast

00:09:55.720 And with your vision

00:09:57.820 Let your world run for you

00:10:01.540 No keys in the sea

00:10:19.280 When I get another beauty

00:10:21.900 I move around

00:10:24.360 740 all the time

00:10:32.420 You put a piece of rose down in my heart

00:10:35.700 I can't found

00:10:37.460 What you got it

00:10:49.980 What you got it

00:10:52.420 Can I be a star or a beast

00:10:55.160 There used to be a star or a beast

00:10:58.840 What you got it

00:10:59.560 The best piece of rose down in my heart

00:11:00.680 What you got it

00:11:12.940 We'll be right back.

00:11:42.940 And we're back, and Happy New Year to my buddy and colleague, Brian Lilly, who's still down south.

00:12:09.620 Brian, how are you?

00:12:10.320 It's warmer than you, but, you know, it's a little chilly right now.

00:12:15.320 Yeah, we got walloped last night.

00:12:16.900 I don't know what Toronto's like, but the county was just lots and lots of snow.

00:12:21.180 And I got to go out with Stackwood, Ronald Reagan style.

00:12:23.900 So that's what my day looks like.

00:12:25.660 Well, we're looking forward to you being back.

00:12:27.560 As you and I were just talking offline, I think we really need you back because my view is the big story is not so much Justin Trudeau.

00:12:37.780 The big story is the Liberal Party of Canada is falling apart.

00:12:41.300 It's falling to pieces right out in the open.

00:12:44.860 So what do you anticipate for the week ahead?

00:12:47.500 Is Lawrence Martin right?

00:12:48.640 Is Trudeau going to leave on Monday?

00:12:50.680 Where do you think this is going?

00:12:52.620 I don't know.

00:12:53.620 But as far as the Liberal Party falling apart, you've got Patsy Cline's I Fall to Pieces in My Head Now.

00:13:00.220 Not normally your musical style, but, you know, maybe you could use it.

00:13:05.120 Is Larry right?

00:13:07.080 I, you know, I don't know.

00:13:10.480 But none of us really do.

00:13:13.000 And this is part of the problem.

00:13:15.160 Exactly.

00:13:15.920 All of this, going back to December 16th, is we don't have a prime minister anymore.

00:13:22.800 He's done the Irish exit.

00:13:24.740 He's ghosted, but he hasn't relinquished power.

00:13:27.860 You know, who's in charge?

00:13:29.200 I don't know.

00:13:30.720 I don't know.

00:13:31.360 But has the guy talked to anybody?

00:13:34.180 He had a cabinet meeting on December 20th.

00:13:37.280 And I think he uttered two sentences to the media on the way out, talking about what a great cabinet meeting he just had.

00:13:45.120 With people he had just given new jobs, titles, and pay raises, along with, you know, the car and driver and all of that.

00:13:51.640 Of course, they loved being in their very first cabinet meeting.

00:13:55.580 After that, he hides out for Christmas.

00:13:57.620 He flies to B.C. in a silent, then comes back and holds another meeting virtually of the Canada-U.S. Cabinet Relations Committee on Friday.

00:14:07.460 Meanwhile, the U.S. is moving ahead.

00:14:11.920 Donald Trump may, as well, already be president.

00:14:15.700 That's the way the world is treating him.

00:14:17.140 That's the way the United States and the markets are treating him.

00:14:19.980 And we know that things are coming for us.

00:14:24.040 And is Canada ready?

00:14:26.200 I don't know.

00:14:26.680 We've got a border plan from Daniel Smith and the province of Alberta.

00:14:30.560 We've got plans put forward by Francois Legault in the province of Quebec.

00:14:36.840 Bob Canoe in Manitoba.

00:14:39.400 We've got Doug Ford talking about paying for helicopters in the Niagara region and boats in the Windsor region.

00:14:47.520 That's it.

00:14:49.520 What are we going to do?

00:14:51.180 Who knows?

00:14:51.940 But, you know, the Liberal Party falling apart, the Atlantic caucus, the Quebec caucus, the Ontario caucus, all want them gone.

00:15:02.080 No word from the Saskatchewan Liberal caucus.

00:15:05.480 Oh, wait, there is one.

00:15:06.480 Yeah, we've got premiers conducting foreign policy because they see no other option because it's precisely what you say.

00:15:16.760 And what I said on CFRA this morning, we do not have a functioning government at the national level in Canada.

00:15:24.180 We don't have a government.

00:15:26.200 You know, I don't have a lot of confidence, nor does anybody else, that the Trudeau guys would be representing us well with Trump on the tariffs.

00:15:33.520 But, you know, it would be helpful if they did something, and it doesn't look like they're doing anything.

00:15:40.440 It looks like we're just drifting towards absolute disaster, doesn't it?

00:15:45.140 Look, it's not just the Liberal Party that's heading for disaster.

00:15:49.140 It's the whole country.

00:15:50.760 And you used to be part of this organization.

00:15:54.820 I know there is a view that, you know, kind of the Louis XIV, the I am the state, the state is me, the Liberal Party is Canada, Canada is the Liberal Party.

00:16:05.820 That is not true.

00:16:06.920 One of the things that I love that Pierre Pauliev said in his interview with Jordan Peterson, which maybe we'll chat about in a minute, is 41 million Canadians are not obliged to sit around and wait for the Liberal Party to get their shit together before we have an election.

00:16:28.140 I completely agree with that.

00:16:30.040 We don't need the Liberal Party to gather in private, in secret on Wednesday for six hours to talk about what their future looks like.

00:16:39.960 What we need is an election, because what is required right now is to have a functioning government with an actual mandate to deal not only with Trump, but everything else going on in the country.

00:16:53.860 This guy doesn't have the confidence of his own party.

00:16:59.480 My understanding is that he wants to somehow find a way.

00:17:03.500 You know, the Lawrence Martin argument aside, one of the things I've heard is that he's trying to find a way to stay on until June so that he can chair the G7 meeting in Kananaskis.

00:17:17.180 Is that a reason to hold the country hostage, you want to chair the next G7 meeting?

00:17:25.980 No, we need an enema.

00:17:28.260 I mean, an election, both.

00:17:33.100 We need to be cleaned out.

00:17:35.620 And let's just move on to the next government.

00:17:40.020 You may not like Pierre Polyev.

00:17:44.900 I know you've changed a bit on him.

00:17:46.460 I don't think he would be your first choice to be prime minister.

00:17:49.900 But let me assure everyone, he's not going to wreck the place.

00:17:55.660 No, he's not.

00:17:56.580 Well, I remember, you know, I was one of the ones in our paper years ago saying, oh, watch out if Harper gets a majority.

00:18:03.480 You know, abortion's gone.

00:18:04.680 Gay marriage is gone.

00:18:05.560 And then I ran into Harper after one of his speeches and he came up to me and he's like, hey, Warren, how are you doing on your prediction about abortion and gay marriage?

00:18:14.920 So I had to eat a shit sandwich on that one.

00:18:17.140 No, you're absolutely right.

00:18:18.860 And, you know, the numbers tell a story.

00:18:21.040 You know, what's the Liberal Party doing?

00:18:23.520 Liberal Party puts an ad out this week with Justin Trudeau front and center and just pathetic.

00:18:31.340 Meanwhile, Jordan Peterson has this interview with Polyev.

00:18:34.400 Was it like 40 million views of this thing?

00:18:38.320 Over 40 million.

00:18:39.760 And that's just on X.

00:18:41.900 Now you can say, oh, well, you know, some of them are just, you know, three second views as you scroll by.

00:18:48.740 I'm just pulling up what it is now.

00:18:50.960 42 million just on X.

00:18:53.300 It's about a million and a half on YouTube.

00:18:55.060 And then all the little clips of a minute to five minutes that are being shared by people, they've been seen by millions more.

00:19:04.680 This is massive.

00:19:06.000 But look, I just did an interview a couple of weeks ago with Polyev.

00:19:09.740 In fact, I think it was two days before this one based on something they said in the interview.

00:19:14.360 And they were quite impressed that they got about a million views from all the different formats that I released the interview in.

00:19:24.320 Which, by the way, is far bigger than they would get with CBC or CTV or anywhere else if they went.

00:19:33.300 That's just with me more than a million plus the people that read the columns that came out of it.

00:19:37.920 So on and so forth.

00:19:39.520 Jordan Peterson comes along and knocks it out of the park.

00:19:42.500 42 million.

00:19:43.540 Once you add it all up, it's probably about 45 million different views.

00:19:48.780 You know that a bunch of them are American because Peterson works for the Daily Wire in the United States.

00:19:56.660 Then you've got the listens on podcasts.

00:19:59.200 But there are millions of Canadians that saw this and are going to listen and come to the same conclusion that I came to long ago.

00:20:07.780 Which is, okay, he seems reasonable.

00:20:11.780 He's not going to wreck the place.

00:20:13.540 What I've been telling everyone about Paglia for a long time is, if you just think he's an angry man all the time, then you don't know him.

00:20:21.120 You haven't spent time listening to him.

00:20:22.980 You're just getting the clips that David Cochran wants to show you on CBC.

00:20:28.360 Because that's not who Pierre is.

00:20:30.240 He's a likable, affable guy who laughs an awful lot of the time.

00:20:34.320 It's like people who think, you know, well, Lily's just angry.

00:20:37.840 No, most of the time I'm laughing.

00:20:40.080 Partly to stop from crying.

00:20:41.480 But, you know, I laugh a lot.

00:20:44.300 I make jokes.

00:20:44.820 I make you laugh.

00:20:47.320 And that's most Canadians.

00:20:50.540 And what, you know, the people who are freaking out about Paglia, it's like what I told conservatives about Trudeau.

00:20:59.180 So, the guy, no one is ever as bad as their detractors, right?

00:21:04.980 And you've got to take them for who they are and what they are.

00:21:09.820 That's what every leader and, you know, countries will outlive bad governments.

00:21:18.820 The bad governments will do some damage, but they're going to outlive them.

00:21:21.520 And even if Paglia does make mistakes, the country will survive.

00:21:25.160 But he shows himself in this interview and to anyone that talks to him to be a reasonable, rational person who has points of view that you can agree with or disagree with, but he's not going to wreck the place.

00:21:39.880 Because this interview to me was like passing the audition where mom and dad know they want to go away for the weekend and can they leave you at the house alone or are you going to throw a keg?

00:21:51.840 Well, 42 million, you know, 42 million people can't be wrong.

00:21:57.580 Well, I guess some of them can be, but like it tells a story.

00:22:00.420 Maybe we should end here because, you know, you, people should pay attention to you.

00:22:06.360 I say to them all the time, not just because you know how to laugh, but also you are a media machine.

00:22:13.720 You know, you're not only just producing news and opinion columns.

00:22:19.060 You know, Brian is doing videos, folks, all the time that attract many more views than the at issues panel on CBC gets.

00:22:30.100 And you look what happened with Jordan Peterson and Pierre Polyev and the way in which the Republicans in the presidential campaign conducted their media and focusing on podcasts and alternative media and obviously worked out for them.

00:22:44.860 The media, Adam, has, has split a million times, hasn't it?

00:22:50.660 Like everything's changed and political parties have to change too, don't they?

00:22:55.340 They do.

00:22:56.080 And I know you read a piece by Carville in the New York Times about this.

00:23:01.100 Jeff Ballingall wrote a piece for the Toronto Sun about this, about how the landscape has shifted.

00:23:08.120 And look, once upon a time, the Democrats got that.

00:23:11.840 And once upon a time, the liberals did.

00:23:14.360 The liberals were brilliant in the 2015 campaign where they ended up looking brilliant by having booked well in advance.

00:23:21.780 They were down with male voters and well in advance of the Blue Jays doing a playoff run in the fall of 2015.

00:23:31.580 They had booked a bunch of ads at a very low price because no one expected the Jays to go as long as they did on Sportsnet.

00:23:41.340 And they ended up hitting an awful lot of male voters and closing the gap because they went to where the voters were.

00:23:48.080 But in 2012, I remember everyone was laughing at the fact that Obama was not doing interviews with serious political journalists.

00:23:57.460 You know, Mitt Romney was talking to all the right serious political journalists.

00:24:01.580 And Obama was going on music programs hosted by people like DJ Pimp with the Limp.

00:24:06.400 And I was like, why are you doing interviews with them?

00:24:08.680 Because they have big audiences.

00:24:10.700 Well, the, you know, audiences are still there.

00:24:14.140 They've moved around to different places and different people.

00:24:17.020 And, yeah, I wish I had Jordan Peterson's size of audience.

00:24:22.360 But, you know, on my LinkedIn, it says Canada's most read political columnist.

00:24:28.240 Why? Because I am.

00:24:30.260 And I put it there to annoy people who don't like that that's true.

00:24:34.900 But also all the other things, the videos that you mentioned, the podcast and all, it all adds up.

00:24:40.720 And I don't think the Trudeau liberals have figured that out.

00:24:45.460 They used to know where it was, but government's age, party's age, and you get stuck in ruts.

00:24:52.920 And Polyev is not stuck in a rut.

00:24:55.880 The gatekeepers in the gallery up in Ottawa that want to stop him from getting in, they wouldn't give him the time of day.

00:25:03.860 But you put him in front of an audience and people will eat it up.

00:25:07.560 It's why he's at 45% of the latest Angus Reid poll.

00:25:11.360 And Justin Trudeau's at 16%.

00:25:13.320 And I love that the star did something on the follow-up poll that showed that Freeland is the most viable option to replace it.

00:25:24.620 And that's how they framed it.

00:25:27.680 She would take the party to a whopping 21%.

00:25:31.020 So, look, there's no good option left for the liberals.

00:25:36.400 They've got to spend some time in the wilderness, figure out the media landscape again, but also figure out where Canadians are at.

00:25:44.180 Right now it's not with them.

00:25:45.920 It sure isn't.

00:25:46.760 Well, listen, we need you back here.

00:25:48.760 We need you back here reporting and opinionizing on all of this stuff.

00:25:52.720 I think it is going to be a crazy week and we need your analysis.

00:25:57.380 I'm watching one of my last sunrises here in Palm Springs and I will be back in Canada freezing my tookus off shortly.

00:26:05.840 Excellent.

00:26:06.420 Well, not excellent about freezing your tookus, but we do need you back here.

00:26:09.980 So, have a safe trip, my friend.

00:26:12.140 Happy New Year, by the way.

00:26:13.760 All the best.

00:26:14.880 And I will be talking to you probably tomorrow to see if Lawrence Martin is right.

00:26:19.600 All right.

00:26:22.720 Hey, hey, little razor blade.

00:26:40.420 Girl, you're so, so dangerous.

00:26:43.100 You say you want to try and get away.

00:26:48.740 And that's just so obvious.

00:26:53.160 I got the keys, so let's put it in the drive.

00:26:57.060 Hey, hey, little razor blade.

00:27:16.780 Girl, you're so, so serious.

00:27:21.840 You're only pretty when you walk away.

00:27:25.160 And you act oblivious.

00:27:29.700 I got the keys, so let's put it in the drive.

00:27:33.780 But don't call it a crush.

00:27:38.540 Don't call it a crush.

00:27:41.100 Baby, you know I love you too much.

00:27:44.700 To be crushed like that.

00:27:48.240 To be crushed like that.

00:27:50.980 Give back my heart tonight.

00:28:10.220 I think I'm never smiling because you're so untied.

00:28:14.360 Because we know it's not all right.

00:28:18.540 When neither one of us is pulling up a fight.

00:28:22.380 And you act.

00:28:24.140 That's wrong.

00:28:26.640 It's been a night alone.

00:28:30.740 You stand on the shore as I was dreading water.

00:28:35.100 Wave and dancing like a stone.

00:28:37.860 Hey, hey, little razor blade.

00:28:58.540 You're just so, so obnoxious.

00:29:03.440 This looking dream is now reality.

00:29:06.380 And it makes me so anxious.

00:29:11.900 Hey, hey, little razor blade.

00:29:15.220 You're just so, so dangerous.

00:29:19.600 You say you want to try to get away.

00:29:23.300 And that's just so obvious.

00:29:27.900 I got the keys, so let's put it in the drive.

00:29:31.720 But don't call it a crush.

00:29:37.240 Don't call it a crush.

00:29:40.720 Baby, you know I love you too much.

00:29:44.640 To be crushed like that.

00:29:46.940 Don't call it a crush.

00:29:55.940 Baby, you know I love you too much.

00:30:00.940 To be crushed like that.

00:30:04.460 To be crushed like that.

00:30:06.460 Don't call it a crush.

00:30:09.080 To be crushed like that.

00:30:11.320 Don't call it a crush.

00:30:13.180 To be crushed like that.

00:30:15.420 Don't call it a crush.

00:30:17.180 To be crushed like that.

00:30:19.440 Don't call it a crush.

00:30:21.300 To be crushed like that.

00:30:23.380 And we're back, and Happy New Year, John Mraz

00:30:29.780 Welcome back to the Kinsella cast

00:30:32.660 Happy New Year, looking forward to a better year

00:30:37.500 Skeptical at what is coming

00:30:38.940 Yeah, me too

00:30:39.840 So let's talk about international stuff first

00:30:43.420 And then we can talk about national stuff

00:30:45.060 In the war that Israel's been conducting

00:30:49.620 Against Hamas and Hezbollah and the Houthis

00:30:52.260 All of those wars, while Israel is dominating

00:30:55.400 Have not been won yet

00:30:58.080 And there are troubling indications that Hamas

00:31:01.200 Has not been defeated

00:31:04.340 In fact, there are reports that Hamas has been quite successful

00:31:08.420 In recruiting new people to their war effort against Israel

00:31:13.740 What's your sense, what are your contacts saying to you

00:31:16.460 About the situation in Israel against Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, and so on?

00:31:22.260 Well, the war that Israel is fighting is a war against an idea

00:31:25.960 It's not a war against a people or a nation state or a region

00:31:29.760 Or even an ethos or ideology

00:31:32.000 It's a war against an idea

00:31:33.140 And the idea is that Jews shouldn't live in the Middle East

00:31:36.080 Not even one of them

00:31:37.840 And that they shouldn't have a single centimeter of land

00:31:40.200 And so when you talk about recruitment

00:31:43.440 It's an interesting word

00:31:44.900 You and I both noticed that it seemed to me

00:31:48.340 When Hamas invaded, I guess God, it was so long ago

00:31:52.020 Two Octobers ago when they invaded Israel

00:31:54.920 The citizenry of Gaza and the West Bank

00:31:59.520 Exploded in joy on the streets

00:32:02.060 And they were not Hamas quote-unquote fighters

00:32:04.560 These were just ordinary people

00:32:06.260 Who'd been indoctrinated since Hamas came into that area

00:32:09.940 In Gaza in 2006

00:32:11.860 With the notion that every Jew should die

00:32:15.520 And that Israel should be eliminated

00:32:17.680 So recruitment is an interesting word

00:32:20.440 How about the people of Gaza continue to believe that

00:32:25.280 And they have the support of many populations in the area

00:32:29.220 To that end

00:32:30.260 And there is an endless supply of hatred

00:32:33.620 And an endless supply of energy

00:32:36.100 Invested in the idea that every Jew

00:32:39.700 Probably around the world

00:32:40.820 But certainly in that area

00:32:41.980 Should die and go away

00:32:44.100 I'm not surprised at all

00:32:45.780 It's very hard to win against an idea

00:32:49.520 And a terrible idea that it is

00:32:52.520 Okay, well then let's talk about another battlefront

00:32:55.360 Which is between Russia and Ukraine

00:32:57.480 There have been reports before the holidays

00:33:01.060 And during the holidays

00:33:02.260 That the Russian economy is collapsing

00:33:04.780 And can no longer afford to finance their war

00:33:07.760 Reports that Ukraine is having difficulty

00:33:11.060 Finding Ukrainians to fight the war

00:33:13.440 And that their resources are running out

00:33:16.160 And it looks like, you know

00:33:17.400 Which side is going to get exhausted most first

00:33:20.380 What is the state of play in Ukraine and Russia

00:33:23.500 And the war right now?

00:33:25.300 Well, I think economically both countries are bleeding

00:33:27.880 It's not just Russia

00:33:29.060 Ukrainian economy, of course, is in tatters as well

00:33:31.720 It's an agricultural economy

00:33:33.520 On the west and central side

00:33:35.780 And on the east side, of course

00:33:37.040 Where all those minerals

00:33:39.400 Rare minerals, oil, gas are

00:33:41.560 The Russians are in charge of that side

00:33:43.780 So Ukrainians are wholly dependent

00:33:46.840 To continue, if they want to continue

00:33:49.240 Pursuing this war

00:33:50.080 On a western investment

00:33:51.420 Biden, as you noticed

00:33:52.820 Probably over the last couple weeks

00:33:54.380 Shipped him another

00:33:55.540 A few billion dollars

00:33:56.920 I mean, they would say it's six or four billion dollars

00:33:59.600 It's like a liberal announcement

00:34:00.960 You know, we're going to put money here

00:34:03.000 But they never actually put the money there

00:34:04.600 They announced it

00:34:05.780 And then spent it elsewhere

00:34:06.600 But it certainly seems

00:34:07.780 That Biden

00:34:08.940 Whether just to piss off Trump

00:34:11.220 Or whether he really believes it

00:34:12.520 It's probably a bit of both

00:34:13.540 Has just shipped them a shitload of new weapons

00:34:17.140 And in the last 24 hours

00:34:19.180 A massive incursion further into Russia

00:34:22.220 Up through Kirks

00:34:23.780 And I want everybody who hasn't been to that area

00:34:26.180 Of the world to understand

00:34:26.940 It's very hard to defend that area

00:34:29.300 If you're Russia

00:34:29.940 Because it's just an endless plain

00:34:32.060 There's no mountains or hills

00:34:33.380 It's just flat

00:34:34.680 Ukraine's always had that problem

00:34:36.200 Except for it's southwest

00:34:37.220 That's why everybody just danced across it

00:34:40.460 From the east to the west

00:34:41.480 From the north to the south

00:34:42.560 So there's this massive column

00:34:44.880 Of armored vehicles going into Russia

00:34:47.300 Taking more land from the Russians

00:34:50.040 And they're doing well

00:34:51.120 They killed one of the generals

00:34:52.760 Who'd been arbitrarily sending missiles

00:34:56.420 At civilian buildings in Ukraine

00:34:59.460 He's been announced to be dead

00:35:01.320 In the last 24 hours

00:35:02.220 But I think this is more of a play

00:35:05.980 To come to a bargaining position

00:35:08.200 When Trump comes in

00:35:09.300 Have as much Russian land

00:35:11.920 With which to use a bargaining chip

00:35:14.860 Against the Russians as possible

00:35:16.600 Before Trump might cut you off

00:35:19.400 From weapons

00:35:20.500 Although Trump is now admitting

00:35:23.880 That ending this war quickly might be

00:35:25.700 All right well let's talk about Trump

00:35:27.260 So that

00:35:27.820 Because that's where I wanted to go next

00:35:30.000 He is the individual

00:35:31.700 Who's connected and material

00:35:33.400 To both of those conflicts

00:35:34.720 You just talked about

00:35:35.740 In Israel and in Ukraine

00:35:37.880 Is he going to make good

00:35:39.840 On the promise at least

00:35:41.280 Of his advisor Elon Musk

00:35:43.020 And his son Donald Trump Jr.

00:35:45.180 To pull the plug on Ukraine

00:35:47.060 Or do you think that he will continue

00:35:49.380 To support Ukraine in its effort

00:35:51.300 Or is it as you say

00:35:53.000 Just you know

00:35:53.920 There's going to be a negotiation

00:35:55.620 And here's you get to keep this

00:35:57.660 And you get to keep this

00:35:58.680 And the war is over

00:35:59.540 What do you think is going to happen

00:36:00.600 I don't know

00:36:01.920 Because I think Trump

00:36:02.820 Believed himself to be

00:36:04.420 In a more powerful position

00:36:05.680 When it came to negotiating

00:36:06.960 Especially with the Russians

00:36:08.440 Than Biden was

00:36:11.560 I mean it's easier

00:36:13.720 To figure out what he'll do

00:36:14.960 In the Middle East

00:36:15.580 He is a Zionist

00:36:16.740 He is no matter what

00:36:18.040 Other horrible things he is

00:36:19.580 He's going to support Israel

00:36:21.080 To the ends of the earth

00:36:23.060 And give them whatever they need

00:36:25.180 But when it comes to Ukraine and Russia

00:36:27.240 Let's say he cuts off

00:36:28.520 Ukrainian weapons

00:36:29.660 Etc

00:36:30.640 Russia still has the problem

00:36:32.580 Of a dead economy

00:36:33.560 He would have to lift the sanctions

00:36:35.440 On Russia

00:36:36.400 For them to survive as well

00:36:38.020 I know we've argued about

00:36:39.780 The state of the Russian economy

00:36:41.180 People keep on saying

00:36:42.540 It's collapsing

00:36:43.220 In front of the economists

00:36:44.460 As you know

00:36:44.980 The fine magazine

00:36:46.140 About two or three weeks ago

00:36:47.700 Said

00:36:47.980 Russian economy is dead

00:36:49.540 Well the Russian economy

00:36:50.720 Still seems to be chugging along

00:36:52.360 They're still fighting

00:36:53.640 And they do have one advantage

00:36:55.520 And you already mentioned it

00:36:56.660 Which is they have

00:36:57.960 A population

00:36:58.780 From which to draw

00:36:59.700 Fighters

00:37:00.560 And Ukraine

00:37:01.320 Is running out

00:37:02.240 Of that human

00:37:03.320 That human

00:37:04.140 Capacity to fight

00:37:06.020 So Trump

00:37:06.640 Certainly

00:37:07.540 No matter what side

00:37:08.560 He picks

00:37:09.040 Unless he's prepared

00:37:10.720 To send American troops over

00:37:12.060 I'm not sure

00:37:13.400 That he can end

00:37:14.260 The war

00:37:15.040 In either area

00:37:15.980 By negotiation

00:37:17.000 Or by the threat

00:37:18.000 Of American force

00:37:19.080 So I'm not sure

00:37:20.540 It matters as much

00:37:21.440 As we think it does

00:37:22.380 Capacity to fight

00:37:24.660 Is a phrase

00:37:25.700 You just used

00:37:26.460 And I want to make use of it

00:37:28.020 To talk about

00:37:28.860 National politics

00:37:29.900 To talk about

00:37:30.800 The extraordinary situation

00:37:32.000 We've got

00:37:32.740 In Ottawa

00:37:33.480 Well it could be

00:37:34.240 The extraordinary situation

00:37:35.320 We've got

00:37:35.800 In the country

00:37:36.740 Where it doesn't feel

00:37:37.540 Like we actually

00:37:38.080 Have a functioning government

00:37:39.340 And that's because

00:37:41.200 Of the fate

00:37:41.820 Of Justin Trudeau

00:37:42.800 You've got his

00:37:43.380 Atlantic caucus

00:37:44.280 His Quebec caucus

00:37:45.240 Of which he is a member

00:37:46.240 The Ontario caucus

00:37:47.640 Saying he's got to go

00:37:48.640 You've got public opinion

00:37:50.020 Saying that

00:37:50.680 As little as

00:37:51.480 16% of them

00:37:52.640 Would vote liberal again

00:37:54.220 Does Justin Trudeau

00:37:56.360 Have the capacity

00:37:57.580 To fight anymore

00:37:58.500 Lawrence Martin

00:37:59.280 Tweeted

00:38:00.140 I was blown away

00:38:01.280 By this

00:38:01.740 He said that

00:38:02.720 Trudeau is going

00:38:03.440 To resign tomorrow

00:38:04.380 Monday

00:38:05.040 And everybody's

00:38:07.120 Getting ready for that

00:38:08.000 What are you hearing

00:38:08.860 From your sources

00:38:09.740 I had not heard that

00:38:11.800 It wouldn't surprise me

00:38:12.700 If he did

00:38:13.200 It also wouldn't surprise me

00:38:14.300 If he tried to stick around

00:38:15.380 Until June

00:38:16.020 For that final G7 meeting

00:38:17.560 He seemed to want to go to

00:38:18.840 I think what's interesting

00:38:20.740 Is if you look at

00:38:21.520 Saturation of Canadian news

00:38:23.340 Both here and abroad

00:38:24.660 You would think

00:38:25.980 That our government

00:38:26.600 Was being run

00:38:27.420 By Jordan Peterson

00:38:29.320 Kevin O'Leary

00:38:31.020 Right

00:38:31.660 And here probably

00:38:32.960 At a table

00:38:33.920 At Mar-a-Lago

00:38:34.740 Yep

00:38:35.360 You know

00:38:36.040 Jordan Peterson

00:38:36.800 As you may or may not know

00:38:37.960 Interviewed Pierre Paul

00:38:39.140 The Avila

00:38:39.500 On his podcast

00:38:40.560 Down south

00:38:41.260 Now

00:38:41.500 Because all three

00:38:42.280 Of those guys

00:38:42.960 Who moved down south

00:38:43.820 They seem to be

00:38:45.100 The sitting government

00:38:46.300 In waiting

00:38:47.080 And that's who

00:38:48.140 Canadians are looking at

00:38:49.700 For their future

00:38:50.820 Everybody seems to know

00:38:52.200 Trudeau's going to go

00:38:52.960 And the question

00:38:53.440 When

00:38:54.160 And I think

00:38:56.540 It's encouraging

00:38:57.180 Finally

00:38:57.620 That you know

00:38:58.320 The caucus

00:38:58.760 And the cabinet

00:38:59.340 Finally found the nuts

00:39:00.700 The spine

00:39:01.800 The backbone

00:39:02.440 To write

00:39:03.060 Strongly worded

00:39:04.620 Letters

00:39:05.120 To Justin Trudeau

00:39:06.240 That he should

00:39:06.980 Fuck off

00:39:07.680 But in most

00:39:09.080 Canadians' minds

00:39:10.200 He's already

00:39:11.280 Fucked off

00:39:12.080 Right

00:39:12.820 You know

00:39:13.240 Yeah

00:39:13.460 You know

00:39:14.600 I was

00:39:15.100 I was watching

00:39:15.760 The news

00:39:16.180 You know

00:39:16.420 About this terrible

00:39:17.160 Storm in Newfoundland

00:39:18.100 I was thinking

00:39:18.460 If I was Newfoundlander

00:39:19.500 I would

00:39:19.780 I'd be wondering

00:39:20.480 Whether

00:39:20.740 It would have been

00:39:21.680 Such a great idea

00:39:22.520 To join Confederation

00:39:23.580 Final question

00:39:26.100 Quickie

00:39:26.600 Quickie

00:39:27.160 If and when

00:39:29.260 A liberal leadership

00:39:30.460 Gets underway

00:39:31.360 I know

00:39:32.020 You

00:39:32.860 And I know

00:39:33.540 You cannot

00:39:34.280 Help yourself

00:39:35.580 Back in the circus

00:39:38.160 Yeah

00:39:38.820 Who

00:39:39.240 Which

00:39:39.720 Which clown

00:39:40.620 Would you be

00:39:41.240 Supporting in the circus

00:39:42.500 The one that I

00:39:43.620 Haven't thought of yet

00:39:44.580 I would love

00:39:46.280 To see somebody

00:39:47.160 Come from

00:39:47.800 Outside

00:39:48.580 The circus tent

00:39:51.240 And then that means

00:39:53.040 That they have

00:39:53.520 To win a seat

00:39:54.420 They can't

00:39:55.040 It's been proven

00:39:55.740 Time and time again

00:39:56.560 You can't just

00:39:57.160 Take over the party

00:39:58.180 And come sailing in

00:39:59.380 From up high

00:40:00.740 And win an election

00:40:02.780 We need an entire

00:40:04.020 New crew

00:40:04.840 Of members

00:40:05.940 Of liberal

00:40:06.480 Parliament

00:40:06.940 Who actually

00:40:08.140 Are liberals

00:40:08.760 Who owe no fealty

00:40:10.740 To Justin Trudeau

00:40:12.460 Or any of the

00:40:13.140 Economic cartels

00:40:14.080 That supported him

00:40:14.820 Who have no association

00:40:16.060 With his past

00:40:17.380 Nine years

00:40:18.040 Or whatever it's been

00:40:18.880 This eternity

00:40:19.660 Of idiocy

00:40:20.380 So

00:40:21.420 I don't have a name

00:40:22.900 For you

00:40:23.340 And I'm

00:40:24.980 Depending on people

00:40:25.800 Like you

00:40:26.240 To come up with

00:40:26.860 Certainly none

00:40:28.280 Of the people

00:40:29.280 Who are named

00:40:30.200 As ambitious

00:40:31.620 To run the

00:40:32.320 Liberal party

00:40:33.000 Are anything

00:40:34.320 But completely

00:40:35.280 Poisoned

00:40:35.960 By their association

00:40:36.880 With this dingbat

00:40:38.040 I'm with you

00:40:38.760 I'm with you there

00:40:39.000 I'm with you there

00:40:40.060 Well

00:40:40.400 We shall see

00:40:41.920 We will

00:40:42.760 Reach back

00:40:43.840 To Mr. Mraz

00:40:44.660 On the Kinsella cast

00:40:46.580 In the coming weeks

00:40:47.940 And ask him

00:40:48.560 Who he's thinking

00:40:49.500 He's going to put

00:40:50.540 His ex beside

00:40:51.580 In the meantime

00:40:52.200 John Mraz

00:40:53.040 Thank you

00:40:53.640 Have a wonderful

00:40:54.540 2025

00:40:55.340 Wonderful week

00:40:56.700 And thank you very much

00:40:57.900 Right back at you

00:40:59.220 Ecco ecco

00:40:59.960 Ecco ecco

00:41:00.060 Attracted by the rattle winds of longer raining summer nights

00:41:22.380 How could it felt to be beneath the blind?

00:41:25.220 Like sugar and smoke that's fading, memories keep blurring

00:41:31.180 Makes me sad, but I still feel alright

00:41:33.960 One summer night felt like a black star

00:41:38.020 When we were younger

00:41:42.020 A broken heart fell at the end of the world

00:41:47.460 No one stopped here at the end of the world

00:41:52.260 Lying on a silver platter scale

00:41:55.660 Nothing really matters, all my baggage that way

00:41:59.420 I'm dumping this red race

00:42:01.640 Lying on a silver platter scale

00:42:04.400 Nothing really matters, all my baggage that way

00:42:08.140 I'm dumping this red race

00:42:10.360 Closing dreams are dashing by while I'm free falling from cloud nine

00:42:32.220 Eyes went open, a curse has been rough

00:42:35.120 Time prevents realization

00:42:38.520 Waste from ignition

00:42:40.520 Cutting down what's done can't be undone

00:42:43.820 We'll take it at the counter

00:42:47.580 Hold on as after

00:42:51.520 Say goodbye to everyone, take your time

00:42:57.320 The time is surely free to the end of the life

00:43:01.120 Lying on a silver platter scale

00:43:04.520 Nothing really matters, all my baggage that way

00:43:08.280 Looked up in this red race

00:43:11.680 Lying on a silver platter scale

00:43:13.680 Nothing really matters, all my baggage that way

00:43:17.680 Looked up in this red race

00:43:19.680 Time's were back

00:43:29.080 Time's were up, trying's were buttoned

00:43:40.080 Bill Hidfeous flow, all my Jessica, bringing it lighter

00:43:41.580 Time's were bad, trying's were pressing tide

00:43:42.080 Bill Hidfeous flow, I guess we're throwing itなん

00:43:46.200 Times weren't bad

00:44:06.400 Times weren't bad

00:44:15.900 I'm totally fine

00:44:16.920 Always built in my heart

00:44:18.800 And I've been trying

00:44:20.180 But this is how you tell your mind

00:44:23.460 Always be all Michael

00:44:24.800 I'm totally fine

00:44:25.500 Always built in my heart

00:44:27.560 And I've been trying

00:44:28.800 Lying on a symbol pattern

00:44:32.220 It knows nothing really matters

00:44:34.500 I'm a baggage that we

00:44:36.440 Loved up in this right race

00:44:38.720 Lying on a symbol pattern

00:44:40.980 It knows nothing really matters

00:44:43.220 I'm a baggage that we

00:44:45.100 Look up in this red race

00:44:47.440 Living on the snow of water

00:44:49.680 It feels nothing really matters

00:44:51.920 I'm a baggage that way

00:44:53.880 Look up in this red race

00:44:56.180 Living on the snow of water

00:44:58.460 Nothing really matters

00:45:00.960 Nothing really matters

00:45:05.680 This is CFRA Live

00:45:13.460 Sunday political panel

00:45:15.300 New year, same politics

00:45:21.300 Welcome to it

00:45:22.100 This is the CFRA Live Sunday political panel

00:45:23.860 Joining us this morning is Carl Belanger

00:45:25.620 He is the president at Traction Strategies

00:45:27.480 Good morning Carl, happy new year

00:45:28.820 Warren Kinsella is also here

00:45:31.140 He is a strategist and post-media columnist

00:45:32.800 You can read his latest in the Toronto Sun

00:45:34.660 Happy new year Warren

00:45:35.720 Happy 2025

00:45:37.120 We made it

00:45:38.260 Tasha Carradine, political columnist for the National Post

00:45:40.300 And a writer for GZero Media

00:45:41.420 Also an author herself

00:45:42.640 Tasha is here this morning

00:45:43.740 And happy new year to you Tasha

00:45:45.020 Happy Groundhog Day

00:45:46.880 I mean new year

00:45:47.860 Well it does feel a lot like Groundhog Day

00:45:49.980 Somebody actually just mentioned that on the text board

00:45:51.640 If Justin Trudeau were to come out and see his shadow

00:45:53.520 We'll get this answer at some point here

00:45:55.320 And we'll talk about that right now

00:45:57.080 Because I know

00:45:57.860 Very interesting as we

00:45:59.720 Wait to see the decision

00:46:01.280 This is like LeBron James going to the

00:46:02.980 Miami Heat or something

00:46:04.220 But Tasha you wrote about this this week

00:46:06.400 In terms of how this cannot go on

00:46:08.180 The Trudeau Circus cannot go on

00:46:09.520 Was the title of this piece

00:46:10.860 And obviously social media is in overdrive right now

00:46:13.860 Waiting for this to go

00:46:14.940 But why do you think that this simply needs to end right now?

00:46:19.120 It needs to end because of what you just said

00:46:21.760 Because everyone is obsessed with this issue

00:46:24.160 We are still talking about it in 2025

00:46:26.400 The Liberal Caucus is now having yet another meeting

00:46:30.820 A six hour meeting

00:46:32.500 Apparently they are planning for Wednesday

00:46:33.820 To discuss the party's future

00:46:35.300 And they are hamstrung because the biggest issue

00:46:38.580 Is whether the Prime Minister stays or goes

00:46:40.560 You know we have one in ten Canadians now using food banks

00:46:44.440 We have a homelessness rate that is up

00:46:46.640 We have poverty rates that are up

00:46:49.040 We have unemployment that is

00:46:50.260 We have issues in this country

00:46:51.880 And we have Donald Trump coming into the White House

00:46:54.240 January 20th

00:46:55.280 So someone has got to be with their hand on the steering wheel

00:46:58.260 And not you know MIA

00:47:00.200 We haven't even heard from the Prime Minister

00:47:02.480 I mean this is the other thing

00:47:04.200 He hasn't made any kind of public statement

00:47:07.320 To reassure people

00:47:09.540 To you know say even Merry Christmas

00:47:13.280 Like where was he?

00:47:15.100 Where is he?

00:47:15.700 It is bizarre

00:47:16.360 So it has got to stop

00:47:18.520 Because we are being weakened as a country

00:47:21.160 And we are not dealing with the issues that we have to deal with

00:47:23.220 Because all we can think about is the narcissistic preoccupations

00:47:26.560 Of one man as to whether he stays or goes

00:47:28.340 And this of course

00:47:30.240 It is something that has been sticking around for the last two weeks

00:47:32.600 Right?

00:47:32.800 It is something we were even talking about before we went for the break here

00:47:35.460 And I know Warren you wrote about this last week as well

00:47:37.420 Kind of continuing your prediction that Justin Trudeau will go

00:47:40.360 Even with that prediction Warren

00:47:42.420 When?

00:47:43.340 When is he going to make this decision in your estimation?

00:47:47.380 I don't know

00:47:48.940 And nobody does

00:47:50.180 It is really all of us kind of at a distance

00:47:53.880 Trying to analyze the psychology of one man

00:47:56.520 The difficulty the rebels have got

00:47:59.900 Which now includes their Atlantic caucus

00:48:03.500 Their Quebec caucus

00:48:05.060 Their Ontario caucus

00:48:06.280 Basically almost all of the Liberal caucus

00:48:08.980 Is they don't have a mechanism to get rid of him

00:48:12.800 Because they want to

00:48:14.100 They've all said that they want to

00:48:15.660 And they've said that publicly

00:48:16.920 You know there used to be a review there

00:48:20.820 And previous Liberal leaders faced that

00:48:23.300 Now they've got something they call

00:48:25.280 Liberal endorsement ballot

00:48:26.920 But they don't have a leadership review mechanism anymore

00:48:30.340 And so Trudeau doesn't have to leave

00:48:35.320 If he doesn't want to

00:48:36.600 It's apparent he doesn't want to

00:48:39.360 The question is

00:48:41.200 You know

00:48:41.780 Does he realize what his legacy is going to be?

00:48:45.200 If you look at this polling

00:48:46.760 The polling that took place over the holidays

00:48:48.600 Since we last spoke

00:48:50.500 One poll pegged the Liberal support at 16%

00:48:54.440 That's the worst showing for the Liberal Party of Canada

00:48:57.880 Since its creation

00:48:59.240 More than 100 years ago

00:49:01.160 That's the Liberal Party

00:49:02.360 Basically being just ahead of the Green Party

00:49:04.660 Does he want that to be his legacy?

00:49:07.740 Does he want to be remembered for that?

00:49:10.620 So it is going to be a perilous week

00:49:13.660 You've got people going to weigh it on a limb

00:49:15.440 Like Lawrence Martin from the Globe and Mail

00:49:17.160 Saying Trudeau is going to announce

00:49:18.840 His resignation Monday

00:49:20.120 I.e. tomorrow

00:49:21.240 A lot of people have doubts about that

00:49:24.680 But these meetings of the various Liberal caucuses

00:49:28.840 I think are important

00:49:29.960 Because you can see what they're doing

00:49:31.420 They're just trying to get the spine

00:49:33.160 They're trying to get the guts

00:49:34.900 To push the guy out

00:49:36.420 But it gets back to the problem

00:49:38.360 That you guys were talking about

00:49:42.020 Just a minute ago

00:49:42.920 Which is

00:49:43.600 Like

00:49:44.240 The country doesn't have a leader at the moment

00:49:46.840 We don't really have a government

00:49:48.700 It's an extraordinary situation

00:49:50.820 And we need a government

00:49:52.360 To deal with this Trump threat

00:49:53.960 Four million jobs are hanging in the balance

00:49:57.320 If he goes ahead with his threat

00:49:59.520 To impose tariffs on us

00:50:01.220 That's one quarter of the Canadian economy

00:50:03.700 It's four to five million jobs

00:50:05.720 And we don't have a government

00:50:07.440 To represent us

00:50:08.560 On that existential issue

00:50:10.380 So we're at a very perilous moment

00:50:12.660 And it's no longer peril for Justin Trudeau

00:50:16.000 It's peril for all the rest of us too

00:50:18.220 In terms of his legacy as well Warren

00:50:20.880 But just quickly on the party here

00:50:22.860 Is the longer that he waits

00:50:24.240 To make this decision

00:50:25.000 Is he also hurting the future prospects

00:50:26.520 Of the Liberal Party here

00:50:27.420 That just continues to tank

00:50:29.060 Like you're mentioning

00:50:29.620 Sixteen percent

00:50:30.420 Absolutely

00:50:31.560 However

00:50:32.520 However

00:50:33.160 As I pointed out to some liberals

00:50:34.780 You know

00:50:35.440 I've got liberals now

00:50:36.380 For me

00:50:36.700 Saying

00:50:37.300 Geez you were right

00:50:38.460 We should have listened to you

00:50:39.960 I know it's been tough for you

00:50:41.360 This guy's a disaster

00:50:43.820 You know

00:50:45.500 Just remember

00:50:46.080 When the Ontario PC leadership

00:50:49.700 Came open

00:50:50.600 And then Doug Ford

00:50:51.680 Went on to become

00:50:52.860 A majority premier

00:50:53.920 The amount of time

00:50:55.320 That went by there

00:50:56.400 Was about 120 days

00:50:58.080 So it is possible

00:50:59.800 Right

00:51:00.620 It is possible

00:51:01.600 To have a very rapid

00:51:03.580 Leadership campaign

00:51:05.180 And get a new leader

00:51:06.260 And to do well

00:51:07.740 I don't think they're going to win

00:51:08.860 But this is

00:51:09.940 You know

00:51:10.280 To save the furniture

00:51:11.400 So can they do it

00:51:12.840 They can

00:51:13.500 But it requires Trudeau

00:51:14.980 To make a decision

00:51:15.760 And so far

00:51:16.640 He hasn't done that

00:51:17.480 And Carl

00:51:18.640 Does it seem like

00:51:19.300 The Liberal Party

00:51:19.820 Just kind of

00:51:20.340 You know

00:51:20.640 Hoping right now

00:51:21.580 That I guess

00:51:22.520 The Prime Minister

00:51:23.180 Has made a New Year's resolution

00:51:24.480 To maybe listen more

00:51:25.740 To caucus

00:51:26.340 Coming up on Wednesday

00:51:27.300 Do you see this

00:51:29.140 Having some kind of resolution

00:51:30.580 In the near future

00:51:31.460 Or do you think

00:51:32.100 That the Prime Minister

00:51:32.720 Is going to hold

00:51:33.800 Until his last possible

00:51:35.040 Moment I suppose

00:51:36.120 Well I mean

00:51:37.500 It's all about

00:51:38.920 What he thinks

00:51:39.720 His destiny is

00:51:40.740 And that

00:51:41.460 Can anyone

00:51:42.580 Do better than him

00:51:43.840 You know

00:51:44.920 He keeps saying

00:51:46.160 That he loves Canada

00:51:46.940 And he thinks

00:51:47.840 That Canada loves him

00:51:48.780 Not realizing

00:51:50.100 That perhaps

00:51:50.940 That moment

00:51:51.360 Has come and gone

00:51:52.600 Now of course

00:51:53.520 The problem

00:51:54.000 With the Liberals

00:51:54.940 Approach here

00:51:55.740 Is that

00:51:57.260 You know

00:51:57.540 When your ship

00:51:58.120 Is sinking

00:51:58.640 The obvious solution

00:52:00.340 Is to poke more holes

00:52:01.400 At your own ship

00:52:02.140 That's going to help

00:52:03.020 And that's what

00:52:03.900 We've been seeing

00:52:04.760 For months now

00:52:06.120 Where the Liberals

00:52:07.980 Have been

00:52:08.420 Quite counterproductive

00:52:09.700 In their approach

00:52:10.500 To this

00:52:10.980 And they keep

00:52:12.420 They keep going

00:52:13.500 So you know

00:52:14.420 Even if you

00:52:15.040 Throw the captain

00:52:15.620 Overboard

00:52:16.460 There becomes a point

00:52:18.440 Where the ship

00:52:19.160 Is unsalvageable

00:52:20.460 And I think

00:52:21.300 That's what

00:52:21.680 We're seeing

00:52:22.280 Now the question

00:52:23.580 Is how unsalvageable

00:52:25.340 Is it

00:52:25.880 Is it the point

00:52:27.540 Where they could

00:52:28.160 Fall to

00:52:28.940 Fourth place

00:52:29.880 In the House of Commons

00:52:30.620 Behind

00:52:32.240 Not only the government

00:52:35.020 The conservative government

00:52:35.940 That isn't coming

00:52:36.900 An official opposition

00:52:38.540 That would be formed

00:52:39.180 By the Bloc

00:52:39.640 Quebecois

00:52:40.320 You know

00:52:41.820 An NDP

00:52:42.440 Treading water

00:52:43.620 But enough

00:52:44.240 To stay ahead

00:52:45.140 Of the sinking ship

00:52:46.700 I mean

00:52:47.360 It's possible

00:52:48.080 That's what

00:52:48.620 That Angers Street

00:52:49.360 Poll

00:52:49.720 Showed us

00:52:50.880 If you change

00:52:52.180 If you change leader

00:52:52.600 Perhaps you can

00:52:54.220 Turn things a little

00:52:54.960 Bit around

00:52:55.420 But I don't see

00:52:56.760 A scenario

00:52:58.220 Under which

00:52:58.840 There will be

00:52:59.240 A saviour

00:52:59.940 Coming from

00:53:00.920 Who knows where

00:53:02.460 To bring back

00:53:04.740 The Liberal Party

00:53:05.600 To power

00:53:06.480 After the next election

00:53:07.660 And you know

00:53:08.720 The thought

00:53:09.400 About who

00:53:09.800 That saviour

00:53:10.340 Would be

00:53:10.740 Is kind of

00:53:11.280 The big question

00:53:11.820 Moving forward

00:53:12.340 As well

00:53:12.680 We're seeing

00:53:13.120 CTV News

00:53:14.160 This morning

00:53:14.500 Reporting that

00:53:15.020 Mark Carney

00:53:15.440 Has been in touch

00:53:16.080 With a number

00:53:16.460 Of MPs

00:53:17.180 So that kind of

00:53:18.000 Smacks of a

00:53:18.540 Leadership race

00:53:19.180 We've also heard

00:53:20.080 About Christophe

00:53:20.840 Freeland

00:53:21.020 Possibly throwing

00:53:21.600 Their name in

00:53:22.040 This week

00:53:22.940 Anita Anand

00:53:23.620 Dominic LeBlanc

00:53:24.560 Those seem to be

00:53:26.020 The front runners

00:53:26.460 To me

00:53:26.700 Carl

00:53:27.180 Is there a right

00:53:27.920 Choice here

00:53:28.560 I guess

00:53:29.120 For the Liberals

00:53:29.720 Or is there

00:53:30.140 Just a number

00:53:31.320 Of wrong choices

00:53:32.060 That you can make

00:53:32.780 I don't know

00:53:34.340 If there is

00:53:34.720 A right choice

00:53:35.340 In the names

00:53:35.860 You know

00:53:36.520 You've mentioned

00:53:37.160 I mean

00:53:38.240 Mark Carney

00:53:38.800 Like how many

00:53:39.660 Times has he

00:53:40.380 Been called

00:53:41.620 As the

00:53:42.120 Saviour

00:53:43.180 Of the Liberal

00:53:43.560 Party

00:53:43.920 I think he said

00:53:44.760 No 25 times

00:53:45.780 So far

00:53:46.260 That he was

00:53:46.640 Not coming

00:53:47.100 To politics

00:53:48.000 But suddenly

00:53:48.900 Now that the

00:53:50.040 Position of

00:53:50.460 Prime ministership

00:53:51.180 Could be open

00:53:52.060 He wants in

00:53:53.280 Perhaps

00:53:54.240 I mean

00:53:54.640 There will be

00:53:55.580 An interest

00:53:56.480 Right

00:53:56.740 Like being

00:53:57.300 Prime minister

00:53:57.820 Of the country

00:53:59.340 Like what

00:54:01.840 Is 24

00:54:02.540 I think

00:54:03.060 Trudeau

00:54:03.300 Is 24

00:54:03.840 So you know

00:54:05.340 Your name

00:54:05.740 Will go in

00:54:06.140 The history

00:54:06.420 Book

00:54:06.720 Even though

00:54:07.220 It's possible

00:54:08.120 That he could

00:54:08.560 Be there

00:54:09.320 For a few

00:54:09.900 Days

00:54:10.200 Or a few

00:54:10.540 Weeks

00:54:10.800 Or a few

00:54:11.060 Months

00:54:11.820 There will

00:54:12.760 Be an interest

00:54:13.380 Is there

00:54:13.960 Somebody that

00:54:14.540 Could save

00:54:15.040 This party

00:54:15.560 I mean

00:54:16.700 I don't

00:54:16.960 Think so

00:54:17.380 But the

00:54:17.680 Fact that

00:54:18.080 You know

00:54:18.920 There was

00:54:19.880 Nobody

00:54:20.360 Clearly

00:54:21.340 Established

00:54:22.040 As the

00:54:22.540 Successor

00:54:23.260 To Justin

00:54:24.060 Trudeau

00:54:24.360 Was part

00:54:25.040 Of the

00:54:25.280 Weakness

00:54:25.780 Of the

00:54:26.120 Rebellion

00:54:26.540 Against

00:54:26.860 Trudeau

00:54:27.220 Because there

00:54:27.640 Was no

00:54:28.020 Clear

00:54:28.420 Parent

00:54:29.360 That could

00:54:29.860 Just take

00:54:31.060 The job

00:54:31.560 Right away

00:54:32.260 And pick

00:54:32.840 Up the

00:54:33.100 Ball

00:54:33.360 And hit

00:54:34.760 The ground

00:54:35.080 Running

00:54:35.380 We haven't

00:54:36.260 Seen that

00:54:36.760 And now

00:54:37.620 We're speculating

00:54:38.240 About who

00:54:38.780 That person

00:54:39.280 Could be

00:54:39.760 And that

00:54:40.360 Spells

00:54:40.700 Trouble

00:54:41.040 For the

00:54:41.420 Liberals

00:54:41.760 It already

00:54:42.560 Seems like

00:54:42.920 It's too

00:54:43.440 Late

00:54:43.660 If that's

00:54:44.240 The conversation

00:54:44.760 But Warren

00:54:45.560 Do you

00:54:45.820 Have anybody

00:54:46.220 That you

00:54:46.700 See would

00:54:47.020 Be the

00:54:47.620 Best pick

00:54:48.220 For the

00:54:48.520 Liberal

00:54:48.700 Party

00:54:48.980 Right now

00:54:49.380 Or do

00:54:49.560 They all

00:54:49.820 Kind of

00:54:50.080 Come

00:54:50.300 I guess

00:54:50.620 There's

00:54:51.700 The Mark

00:54:52.020 Carney

00:54:52.200 Saviour

00:54:52.700 Aspect

00:54:53.040 Of this

00:54:53.380 But everybody

00:54:53.940 Else

00:54:54.220 Within the

00:54:55.060 Liberal

00:54:55.460 Party

00:54:55.760 Does have

00:54:56.180 That

00:54:56.340 Trudeau

00:54:56.620 Bent

00:54:56.940 Or brushed

00:54:57.500 Through them

00:54:57.940 It's got

00:54:59.000 To be an

00:54:59.320 Outsider

00:54:59.840 And that's

00:55:00.480 Usually the

00:55:00.980 Case in

00:55:01.420 The leadership

00:55:01.840 Race for

00:55:02.740 The Tories

00:55:03.520 Or the

00:55:03.920 Liberals

00:55:04.240 And the

00:55:04.460 NDP

00:55:04.800 You've got

00:55:05.720 To have

00:55:05.880 Somebody who's

00:55:06.440 Coming from

00:55:06.980 The outside

00:55:07.640 Ideally with

00:55:08.820 Some experience

00:55:09.600 So that

00:55:10.060 Hurts Carney

00:55:10.740 He's never

00:55:11.280 Held elected

00:55:12.080 Office

00:55:12.660 At all

00:55:13.500 As far as

00:55:14.520 I'm aware

00:55:15.020 So that

00:55:15.940 Really narrows

00:55:16.640 It down

00:55:17.040 To people

00:55:17.580 Like

00:55:18.040 Christy

00:55:18.720 Clark

00:55:19.120 You know

00:55:20.460 Westerner

00:55:21.020 Woman

00:55:21.420 Blue

00:55:22.320 Liberal

00:55:22.720 So liberals

00:55:23.500 Are going to

00:55:23.820 Want to move

00:55:24.160 Back to the

00:55:24.840 Center

00:55:25.160 Because they

00:55:25.900 Can see now

00:55:26.620 That they've

00:55:27.040 Been

00:55:27.160 Tremendously

00:55:27.800 Hurt

00:55:28.160 By

00:55:28.620 Basically

00:55:29.340 Aping

00:55:29.800 The NDP

00:55:30.340 On all

00:55:30.980 Of their

00:55:31.320 Economic

00:55:32.040 Policies

00:55:32.880 So Clark

00:55:34.040 I think

00:55:34.440 Is one

00:55:35.100 To watch

00:55:36.380 I'm amazed

00:55:37.840 That she'd

00:55:38.320 Want the

00:55:38.660 Job

00:55:39.080 Because what

00:55:39.900 You're

00:55:40.040 Talking about

00:55:40.640 Here is

00:55:41.340 Eight years

00:55:42.120 Minimum

00:55:42.600 In opposition

00:55:43.300 As things

00:55:43.880 Stand now

00:55:44.560 And that's

00:55:46.020 A hell of

00:55:46.440 A long

00:55:46.720 Time

00:55:47.060 You get

00:55:47.400 Older

00:55:47.720 When you're

00:55:48.100 In opposition

00:55:48.560 That long

00:55:49.380 So I

00:55:51.200 Think that's

00:55:51.920 The key

00:55:52.740 But any

00:55:53.660 Of the

00:55:53.920 People there

00:55:54.460 Any of the

00:55:54.860 People you

00:55:55.280 Named

00:55:55.660 Any of the

00:55:56.100 People the

00:55:56.560 Angus Reid

00:55:57.200 Or CTV

00:55:57.800 Or anybody

00:55:58.520 Have pulled

00:55:59.200 About

00:55:59.540 They've all

00:56:00.460 Got a

00:56:00.740 Problem

00:56:01.100 They were

00:56:01.920 All there

00:56:02.460 They went

00:56:03.280 Along with

00:56:03.720 Blackface

00:56:04.360 They went

00:56:04.700 Along with

00:56:05.200 Aga Khan

00:56:05.880 They went

00:56:06.200 Along with

00:56:06.580 SNC

00:56:07.280 Lavaline

00:56:07.840 And on

00:56:08.560 And on

00:56:08.840 And on

00:56:09.120 They're all

00:56:09.600 Implicated

00:56:10.380 All kinds

00:56:11.520 Of mistakes

00:56:12.120 And scandals

00:56:13.140 And you

00:56:14.400 Need a

00:56:14.720 Fresh face

00:56:15.280 And that's

00:56:15.620 Why you

00:56:15.860 Need an

00:56:16.160 Outsider

00:56:16.600 That's

00:56:18.400 Been the

00:56:18.800 Kind of

00:56:19.240 Conversation

00:56:19.660 We've

00:56:19.860 Been having

00:56:20.160 Tasha

00:56:20.460 Is you

00:56:20.900 Know do

00:56:21.140 They need

00:56:21.480 That outsider

00:56:22.020 Is it

00:56:22.360 Mark

00:56:22.580 Carney

00:56:22.800 Is there

00:56:23.120 Anybody else

00:56:23.620 Outside of

00:56:24.140 That I

00:56:24.440 Suppose that

00:56:25.080 Would fit

00:56:26.120 That bill

00:56:26.640 In this

00:56:27.100 Conversation

00:56:27.760 Is there

00:56:29.600 An outsider

00:56:29.960 Do you

00:56:30.200 See Tasha

00:56:30.620 And who

00:56:31.260 Else do

00:56:31.580 You see

00:56:31.780 As kind

00:56:32.060 Of the

00:56:32.320 Highlight

00:56:32.860 Here that

00:56:33.160 Could be

00:56:33.400 A good

00:56:33.620 Pick for

00:56:33.900 The

00:56:34.000 Liberals

00:56:34.340 Well I

00:56:36.160 I

00:56:36.440 Kind of

00:56:36.680 Echo what

00:56:37.100 Warren said

00:56:37.560 I think

00:56:37.880 That it's

00:56:38.600 Going to

00:56:38.740 Be very

00:56:39.160 Hard to

00:56:39.680 Escape

00:56:40.100 And the

00:56:40.620 The brush

00:56:42.060 That the

00:56:42.460 Conservatives

00:56:42.980 Want to

00:56:43.340 Use

00:56:43.560 And they're

00:56:43.780 Already

00:56:44.000 Using it

00:56:44.580 They made

00:56:44.900 This

00:56:45.060 Wackos

00:56:45.740 Video

00:56:46.340 I

00:56:46.920 Want to

00:56:47.480 Talk about

00:56:47.860 That a

00:56:48.120 Bit

00:56:48.280 But yes

00:56:48.740 Yeah

00:56:49.340 Well I

00:56:49.740 Just

00:56:49.940 I'll

00:56:50.180 Just say

00:56:50.540 Sidebar

00:56:51.040 Here

00:56:51.220 Because

00:56:51.600 It's

00:56:52.000 Exactly

00:56:56.640 The gang

00:56:57.520 The group

00:56:58.080 As opposed

00:56:58.960 To simply

00:56:59.840 Focusing on

00:57:00.540 Trudeau

00:57:00.820 And they

00:57:01.020 Have attacked

00:57:01.500 Freeland

00:57:01.980 Significantly

00:57:02.860 Gilbo as

00:57:04.200 Well over

00:57:04.660 His

00:57:04.960 You know

00:57:05.440 His

00:57:05.740 Environmental

00:57:06.460 Policies

00:57:07.080 They have

00:57:08.020 No love

00:57:08.340 For either

00:57:08.640 Of them

00:57:08.900 But this

00:57:09.480 Is a

00:57:09.740 More now

00:57:10.460 You know

00:57:10.840 They're

00:57:11.080 Broadening

00:57:11.700 The tent

00:57:12.260 Right

00:57:12.680 They're

00:57:12.900 Broadening

00:57:13.240 The line

00:57:14.120 Of attack

00:57:14.660 And it's

00:57:15.460 Deliberate

00:57:15.920 Because they

00:57:16.260 Don't know

00:57:16.500 Who's going

00:57:16.800 To be

00:57:17.000 Running

00:57:17.340 Assuming

00:57:17.920 All of

00:57:18.320 Them

00:57:18.440 Will

00:57:18.660 And they

00:57:18.940 Want to

00:57:19.240 Paint

00:57:19.440 Them

00:57:19.560 With

00:57:19.700 Trudeau's

00:57:20.060 Brush

00:57:20.300 They want

00:57:20.640 To say

00:57:20.840 This gang

00:57:21.620 Is no

00:57:21.960 Good

00:57:22.180 So who

00:57:23.260 Then do

00:57:23.580 You bring

00:57:23.840 In a

00:57:24.640 Fresh

00:57:24.920 Face

00:57:25.160 Look it

00:57:25.460 Was like

00:57:25.760 Trudeau

00:57:26.200 I mean

00:57:26.440 He was

00:57:26.800 Yeah he

00:57:27.080 Was an

00:57:27.260 MP

00:57:27.500 But he

00:57:28.080 Was not

00:57:28.600 Part of

00:57:30.380 A government

00:57:30.860 When he

00:57:31.540 Was in

00:57:31.840 There

00:57:32.000 And he

00:57:32.200 Became

00:57:32.500 Leader

00:57:32.800 And he

00:57:33.140 Was also

00:57:33.540 Seen as

00:57:34.020 Bringing a

00:57:34.420 Legacy

00:57:34.680 From his

00:57:35.160 Father

00:57:35.500 We don't

00:57:36.080 Have a

00:57:36.280 Legacy

00:57:36.540 Candidate

00:57:37.000 Right

00:57:37.220 Now

00:57:37.540 But we

00:57:38.800 Do have

00:57:39.240 I think

00:57:39.560 Christy

00:57:39.860 Clark

00:57:40.100 Yeah I

00:57:40.520 Think her

00:57:40.800 Name has

00:57:41.100 Come up

00:57:41.360 For that

00:57:41.660 Very

00:57:41.940 Reason

00:57:42.300 It's

00:57:42.560 Because

00:57:42.880 She

00:57:43.540 Is

00:57:44.620 An

00:57:45.500 Outsider

00:57:46.140 But a

00:57:46.880 Credible

00:57:47.320 Outsider

00:57:47.820 Right

00:57:48.300 Mark Carney

00:57:49.360 Is an

00:57:49.680 Outsider

00:57:50.180 He

00:57:51.460 Has been

00:57:52.320 Playing

00:57:52.800 Footsie

00:57:53.200 With the

00:57:53.440 Party

00:57:53.760 I don't

00:57:55.280 I don't

00:57:55.940 Understand

00:57:56.420 His

00:57:56.800 It betrays

00:57:58.240 A lack

00:57:58.580 Of political

00:57:59.000 Acumen

00:57:59.440 And so

00:58:00.120 That is

00:58:00.480 Worrisome

00:58:00.980 Because

00:58:01.360 He

00:58:02.720 Has not

00:58:03.980 Shown

00:58:04.480 I think

00:58:04.960 The sort

00:58:05.300 Of political

00:58:05.660 Savvy

00:58:06.060 If he

00:58:06.300 Thought he

00:58:06.560 Was going

00:58:06.780 To just

00:58:07.040 Step into

00:58:07.440 Christopher

00:58:07.940 Freeland's

00:58:08.360 Shoes

00:58:08.680 That that

00:58:09.040 Wasn't

00:58:09.200 Going to

00:58:09.420 Work out

00:58:10.000 You know

00:58:11.380 I can't

00:58:12.220 Imagine

00:58:12.520 Why

00:58:12.960 Someone

00:58:13.280 Would make

00:58:13.600 That calculation

00:58:14.420 He made

00:58:14.920 The same

00:58:15.220 Wrong

00:58:15.500 Calculation

00:58:16.020 That Trudeau

00:58:16.580 Did

00:58:16.820 And Trudeau's

00:58:17.620 Political

00:58:17.860 Instinct

00:58:18.160 Have been

00:58:18.440 Terrible

00:58:18.860 Of late

00:58:19.320 So

00:58:19.600 I think

00:58:20.720 That

00:58:21.000 Yeah

00:58:21.360 It's

00:58:21.740 I don't

00:58:22.560 Know

00:58:22.700 Who else

00:58:23.040 There is

00:58:23.540 Floating

00:58:23.900 Around

00:58:24.180 Out there

00:58:24.560 Who's

00:58:24.800 Interested

00:58:25.200 In this

00:58:25.720 This

00:58:26.080 Job

00:58:26.520 Who is

00:58:27.400 An

00:58:27.500 Outsider

00:58:28.000 But

00:58:28.500 I think

00:58:29.160 That that

00:58:29.620 Is probably

00:58:30.240 Where the

00:58:30.600 Liberals

00:58:30.920 Best chance

00:58:31.400 Lies

00:58:31.680 Yeah

00:58:32.280 I don't

00:58:32.500 Know

00:58:32.600 Who would

00:58:32.800 Be

00:58:32.920 Interested

00:58:33.260 Either

00:58:33.540 At this

00:58:33.860 Point

00:58:34.040 With the

00:58:34.320 Prospects

00:58:34.860 Right

00:58:35.040 Now

00:58:35.240 But

00:58:35.420 You

00:58:35.980 Did

00:58:36.160 Mention

00:58:36.380 Tasha

00:58:36.680 The

00:58:37.000 The

00:58:37.240 Pure

00:58:37.600 Polly

00:58:37.860 Interview

00:58:38.420 Their

00:58:38.740 New

00:58:39.320 Campaign

00:58:39.980 Or Video

00:58:40.320 Campaign

00:58:40.620 That

00:58:40.780 They

00:58:40.880 Put

00:58:41.020 Out

00:58:41.140 This

00:58:41.280 Week

00:58:41.440 And

00:58:41.560 That

00:58:41.640 Was

00:58:41.740 Kind

00:58:42.240 Of

00:58:42.300 Coinciding

00:58:42.660 He did

00:58:42.920 A sit

00:58:43.180 Down

00:58:43.320 With Jordan

00:58:43.640 Peterson

00:58:43.960 As well

00:58:44.460 You know

00:58:44.960 When we

00:58:45.220 Talk about

00:58:45.740 The conservatives

00:58:46.240 It's

00:58:46.700 It's

00:58:46.960 Very

00:58:47.100 Much

00:58:47.300 Been

00:58:47.500 I guess

00:58:48.280 The old

00:58:48.540 Political

00:58:48.800 Adage

00:58:49.120 Right

00:58:49.300 Is

00:58:49.440 If

00:58:49.620 Your

00:58:49.800 Opponent

00:58:50.120 Is beating

00:58:50.460 Themselves

00:58:50.900 Don't

00:58:51.200 Help

00:58:51.400 Them

00:58:51.540 Out

00:58:51.700 In

00:58:51.800 Any

00:58:51.920 Kind

00:58:52.120 Of

00:58:52.180 Shape

00:58:52.480 Or

00:58:52.640 Form

00:58:52.900 And

00:58:53.440 You

00:58:53.720 Know

00:58:53.820 For

00:58:53.960 The

00:58:54.060 Most

00:58:54.220 Part

00:58:54.400 Poliova

00:58:54.740 Has

00:58:54.880 Been

00:58:55.020 Fairly

00:58:55.500 I

00:58:56.040 Guess

00:58:56.220 Not

00:58:56.880 Very

00:58:57.200 Controversial

00:58:57.980 But

00:58:58.200 You

00:58:58.540 Know

00:58:58.620 Some

00:58:58.740 Of

00:58:58.820 The

00:58:58.900 Stuff

00:58:59.080 That

00:58:59.260 Wacko's

00:58:59.900 Video

00:59:00.200 Things

00:59:00.640 Like

00:59:00.880 That

00:59:01.080 It

00:59:01.220 Sounds

00:59:01.480 Very

00:59:01.800 Similar

00:59:02.120 To

00:59:02.320 Someone

00:59:02.580 South

00:59:02.880 Of

00:59:03.000 The

00:59:03.120 Border

00:59:03.360 As

00:59:03.600 Well

00:59:03.800 Kind

00:59:04.000 Of

00:59:04.080 With

00:59:04.200 These

00:59:04.360 Nicknames

00:59:04.840 And

00:59:04.980 Stuff

00:59:05.160 Like

00:59:05.320 That

00:59:05.480 Is

00:59:06.200 That

00:59:06.400 Is

00:59:07.220 This

00:59:07.380 A

00:59:07.620 Chance

00:59:08.040 Here

00:59:08.280 That

00:59:08.480 Could

00:59:09.180 Be

00:59:09.300 The

00:59:09.440 Wrong

00:59:09.660 Road

00:59:09.860 To

00:59:10.000 Go

00:59:10.140 Down

00:59:10.300 We've

00:59:10.500 Seen

00:59:10.680 Him

00:59:10.860 Kind

00:59:11.440 Of

00:59:11.660 Avoid

00:59:12.280 Political

00:59:12.620 Risk

00:59:12.960 But

00:59:13.140 Is

00:59:13.280 This

00:59:13.480 Risky

00:59:13.940 Or

00:59:14.120 Is

00:59:14.260 This

00:59:14.500 You

00:59:14.980 Know

00:59:15.080 I'm

00:59:15.300 Up

00:59:15.460 20

00:59:15.700 Points

00:59:15.940 In

00:59:16.020 The

00:59:16.100 Polls

00:59:16.320 What

00:59:16.420 Does

00:59:16.500 It

00:59:16.580 Matter

00:59:16.800 Well

00:59:18.480 Yeah

00:59:18.720 The

00:59:18.960 Peterson

00:59:19.360 Thing

00:59:19.620 Was

00:59:19.760 Interesting

00:59:20.120 It

00:59:20.500 Was

00:59:20.800 It

00:59:21.380 Got

00:59:21.560 A

00:59:21.680 Lot

00:59:21.840 Of

00:59:21.960 International

00:59:22.560 Play

00:59:23.020 If

00:59:23.160 You'll

00:59:23.260 Call

00:59:23.420 It

00:59:23.540 That

00:59:23.740 Elon

00:59:24.060 Musk

00:59:24.420 Said

00:59:24.740 Great

00:59:25.080 Interview

00:59:25.480 On

00:59:25.820 X

00:59:26.260 And

00:59:26.440 So

00:59:27.080 You

00:59:27.300 Can

00:59:27.440 See

00:59:27.640 That

00:59:27.800 There's

00:59:27.960 A

00:59:28.040 Whole

00:59:28.180 Social

00:59:28.500 Media

00:59:28.780 Machine

00:59:29.280 That

00:59:29.780 Is

00:59:29.960 Supported

00:59:30.420 Of

00:59:30.640 This

00:59:30.920 And

00:59:31.840 He

00:59:40.860 That

00:59:41.400 Will

00:59:41.800 Give

00:59:41.980 Them

00:59:42.120 What

00:59:42.260 They

00:59:42.400 Want

00:59:42.680 Essentially

00:59:43.100 In

00:59:43.280 A

00:59:43.360 Platform

00:59:43.680 For

00:59:43.980 Their

00:59:44.400 Positions

00:59:44.840 And

00:59:45.620 In

00:59:45.800 His

00:59:46.020 Video

00:59:46.720 He

00:59:46.960 Said

00:59:47.180 Some

00:59:47.460 Things

00:59:47.660 That

00:59:47.780 Made

00:59:47.940 Sense

00:59:48.220 He

00:59:48.340 Said

00:59:48.480 Other

00:59:48.640 Things

00:59:48.860 That

00:59:48.980 Were

00:59:49.060 Completely

00:59:49.380 Ridiculous

00:59:49.980 Like

00:59:50.300 We

00:59:50.440 Have

00:59:50.560 A lot

00:59:50.760 Of

00:59:50.880 Land

00:59:51.200 So

00:59:51.380 There's

00:59:51.500 No

00:59:51.620 Excuse

00:59:51.920 We

00:59:52.080 Don't

00:59:52.160 Have

00:59:52.260 Houses

00:59:52.560 On

00:59:52.820 It

00:59:52.960 Well

00:59:53.400 You

00:59:53.780 Can't

00:59:54.080 Build

00:59:54.340 On

00:59:54.520 Most

00:59:54.700 Of

00:59:54.820 The

00:59:54.860 Land

00:59:55.100 In

00:59:55.520 Canada

00:59:55.820 That's

00:59:56.240 North

00:59:56.480 Of

00:59:56.640 A

00:59:56.740 Zone

00:59:58.160 And

00:59:58.600 The

00:59:58.980 Other

00:59:59.120 Thing

00:59:59.320 Is

00:59:59.500 Too

00:59:59.720 It's

01:00:00.200 These

01:00:00.640 Simplistic

01:00:01.160 Solutions

01:00:01.620 That

01:00:02.040 Some

01:00:02.560 People

01:00:02.700 Might

01:00:02.900 Say

01:00:03.040 Yeah

01:00:03.220 That

01:00:03.360 Sounds

01:00:03.520 Great

01:00:03.800 But

01:00:04.080 They

01:00:04.300 Don't

01:00:04.480 Really

01:00:04.780 They

01:00:05.300 Don't

01:00:05.440 Really

01:00:05.600 Offer

01:00:05.900 A

01:00:06.040 Lot

01:00:06.180 Of

01:00:06.340 Hope

01:00:06.620 That

01:00:06.840 That

01:00:07.200 That's

01:00:07.540 Actually

01:00:07.880 A

01:00:08.100 Solution

01:00:08.420 To

01:00:08.640 Tackle

01:00:09.240 The

01:00:09.360 Problem

01:00:09.600 It's

01:00:10.680 Not

01:00:11.380 The

01:00:11.600 Reason

01:00:12.160 That

01:00:12.460 We

01:00:12.560 Don't

01:00:12.740 Have

01:00:13.000 Housing

01:00:13.700 That

01:00:14.800 We're

01:00:14.940 Not

01:00:15.060 Taking

01:00:15.260 Advantage

01:00:15.560 Of

01:00:15.660 Our

01:00:15.780 Land

01:00:16.000 There

01:00:16.800 Are

01:00:16.880 A lot

01:00:17.100 Of

01:00:17.200 Complicated

01:00:17.600 Things

01:00:17.900 In

01:00:18.000 There

01:00:18.100 And

01:00:18.220 So

01:00:18.380 I

01:00:18.840 Think

01:00:19.100 His

01:00:19.420 Video

01:00:19.740 Is

01:00:19.980 Designed

01:00:20.480 To

01:00:20.780 Set

01:00:21.340 Some

01:00:21.540 Markers

01:00:22.040 For

01:00:22.420 His

01:00:22.700 Plan

01:00:23.040 Because

01:00:23.260 The

01:00:23.440 Criticism

01:00:23.760 Of

01:00:23.920 The

01:00:23.960 Conservatives

01:00:24.440 Is

01:00:24.620 Well

01:00:24.840 What's

01:00:25.620 Your

01:00:25.720 Plan

01:00:26.000 You

01:00:26.160 Have

01:00:26.340 None

01:00:26.560 In

01:00:27.420 Fairness

01:00:27.900 Things

01:00:28.480 Are

01:00:28.920 Evolving

01:00:29.720 Consistently

01:00:30.440 So

01:00:30.640 They

01:00:30.740 Don't

01:00:30.880 Have

01:00:31.100 A

01:00:31.200 Plan

01:00:31.420 Because

01:00:31.720 Tomorrow

01:00:32.340 Things

01:00:32.640 Could

01:00:32.820 Be

01:00:32.920 Different

01:00:33.180 But

01:00:33.340 There

01:00:33.440 Are

01:00:33.500 Certain

01:00:33.680 Issues

01:00:34.060 That

01:00:34.700 They

01:00:34.840 Do

01:00:35.020 Need

01:00:35.180 To

01:00:35.280 Set

01:00:35.420 Markers

01:00:35.760 On

01:00:36.020 And

01:00:36.280 That

01:00:36.480 One

01:00:36.600 I

01:00:36.700 Didn't

01:00:36.860 Think

01:00:37.020 He

01:00:37.100 Did

01:00:37.220 Very

01:00:37.420 Well

01:00:37.680 Others

01:00:38.020 Cracking

01:00:39.180 Down

01:00:39.380 Crime

01:00:39.840 People

01:00:40.800 People

01:00:49.980 Resonate

01:00:50.400 From

01:00:50.520 That

01:00:50.600 No

01:00:50.740 One

01:00:50.820 Is

01:00:50.880 Going

01:00:50.980 To

01:00:51.060 Watch

01:00:51.400 The

01:00:51.600 Average

01:00:51.760 Person

01:00:51.920 Is

01:00:51.980 Not

01:00:52.100 Going

01:00:52.180 To

01:00:52.240 Watch

01:00:52.440 The

01:00:52.560 Entire

01:00:52.780 Hour

01:00:53.020 And

01:00:53.120 Half

01:00:53.400 They're

01:00:54.560 Not

01:00:54.780 So

01:00:55.140 They're

01:00:55.400 Just

01:00:55.480 Going

01:00:55.600 To

01:00:55.620 Get

01:00:55.700 The

01:00:55.820 Highlights

01:00:56.140 Of

01:00:56.280 It

01:00:56.400 And

01:00:56.500 That's

01:00:56.700 What

01:00:56.800 He

01:00:56.900 Was

01:00:57.020 Seeking

01:00:57.320 And

01:00:58.320 Warren

01:00:58.540 You

01:00:58.660 Know

01:00:58.740 A lot

01:00:58.960 of

01:00:59.040 The

01:00:59.140 messages

01:00:59.440 That

01:00:59.740 Paul

01:01:00.160 Was

01:01:00.360 Giving

01:01:00.560 I

01:01:00.700 Don't

01:01:00.800 Think

01:01:00.960 outside

01:01:01.240 Of

01:01:01.460 What

01:01:01.640 We've

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01:03:47.820 A

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01:05:57.200 Lost

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01:06:01.340 None

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01:06:03.360 At

01:06:20.680 Happiness seems to happen less

01:06:34.120 When you go where the season's best

01:06:37.160 Winter snows and summer sets

01:06:40.700 Saddle up, boy, don't be shy

01:06:44.920 I had a rolling, a lonely night of alcohol and cigarettes

01:06:51.920 But if it goes well

01:06:55.920 You find another, find a hotel

01:07:00.920 You try another, try a care cell

01:07:05.920 They run in corners of your own head

01:07:11.920 You have a way to get by

01:07:15.920 The Father, Son and the Holy Ghost

01:07:27.920 Who's the one that we need the most?

01:07:30.920 That's easy come, easy go

01:07:33.920 I'll get older and then I'll die

01:07:38.920 I should know when to say goodbye

01:07:41.920 And shake the hand, meet the eye

01:07:45.920 But if it goes well

01:07:49.920 You find another, find a hotel

01:07:55.920 You try another, try a care cell

01:07:59.920 Get a deal with your own

01:08:01.920 In the corners of your own head

01:08:06.920 Every way your head

01:08:17.940 Everything goes well

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01:08:37.960 You'll try another, try a carousel

01:08:44.120 Later on, in the corners of your own head

01:08:50.940 You hide away and get by

01:08:54.940 Everything goes well

01:09:01.940 You hide away and get by

01:09:05.940 Everything goes well

01:09:12.940 You hide away and get by

01:09:15.760 Everything goes well

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01:09:23.760 You hide away and get by

01:09:27.760 Everything goes well

01:09:29.760 You hide away and get by

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01:10:10.040 You're listening to the Alex Pearson Show

01:10:14.860 Welcome back

01:10:15.680 Welcome back

01:10:16.480 I'm Kevin Vong

01:10:17.420 I'm in for Alex Pearson

01:10:19.020 And what you just heard was

01:10:21.040 39 seconds of a Liberal Party of Canada video

01:10:25.560 Of Justin Trudeau

01:10:27.520 Speaking about the things that he believes he's done for the nation

01:10:31.900 And his legacy and the things that he wants to continue to fight for

01:10:35.400 And you know, maybe it's just me

01:10:37.360 But that doesn't sound like somebody who plans on stepping down

01:10:42.260 Here to help unpack that and more

01:10:44.920 Is Warren Kinsella

01:10:46.200 President of Daisy Group and former political strategist for Jean Chrétien

01:10:49.940 Warren, welcome to Alex Pearson Show

01:10:51.940 Thanks my friend

01:10:53.360 So Warren, is it just me?

01:10:56.720 Like that doesn't sound like he's getting ready to resign

01:10:58.900 Well, I guess they used Trudeau for their ad

01:11:02.980 Because Hannibal Lecter wasn't available

01:11:05.100 Like I just, what is the matter with these guys?

01:11:11.400 You know, I'm talking about leading with your chin

01:11:13.220 Your biggest problem, your number one problem

01:11:16.860 Is Justin Trudeau

01:11:18.400 And you put him front and center in an ad

01:11:20.880 It's like they're trolling the country

01:11:23.400 It's just bananas

01:11:24.340 But I still believe, I still believe

01:11:27.160 And you and many others are

01:11:28.900 I'm going to owe you a lunch if I'm wrong

01:11:30.640 That he is going to go

01:11:32.540 Because, you know, he's not a total dummy

01:11:35.520 Evidence to the contrary sometimes

01:11:38.740 And he knows that the numbers are really, really bad

01:11:41.780 And they have been for more than a year and a half

01:11:43.820 But he's going to lose

01:11:45.040 And he's going to lose badly

01:11:46.060 He may actually end up being in fourth place in the House of Commons

01:11:49.520 Something that's never happened to the Liberal Party before

01:11:52.080 So that's not what he wants his legacy to be

01:11:55.380 I think he's going to go

01:11:56.800 And not because he's facing confidence votes

01:11:59.380 Coming up in the House of Commons

01:12:00.820 As you know, in the month of February and March

01:12:04.080 He's facing a few from all of the different parties

01:12:07.260 I think he's going to prorogue

01:12:08.780 And he's going to have a leadership convention

01:12:11.340 And he's going to head off into the sunset

01:12:13.040 And I suspect, you know, one thing that supports your position on that

01:12:18.680 Is the fact that the entire Atlantic Liberal Caucus

01:12:21.700 Which is 23 MPs have come out and said

01:12:24.020 In a public letter

01:12:25.260 We want you to resign and go

01:12:28.040 But what I found interesting, Warren

01:12:29.860 Is the argument that they're making

01:12:32.780 Is that we want to protect your legacy

01:12:35.380 And all of the things that, you know, you've worked so hard for

01:12:39.220 But I would suggest for Canadians

01:12:41.860 It is a lot of those things that I think

01:12:44.700 Has led to them being so unhappy

01:12:47.860 That has made things so unaffordable

01:12:49.880 So, you know, if you're the Liberal Caucus

01:12:52.780 How do you go about kind of unpacking this

01:12:56.140 In a way that actually helps you

01:12:57.640 As opposed to hurts you?

01:13:00.040 Well, the letter I found very interesting too

01:13:03.060 Because the Atlantic Caucus

01:13:05.600 There's not a ton of them, you know

01:13:07.420 But they're the red wall, right?

01:13:10.240 That's the foundation upon which

01:13:12.460 Every Liberal majority victory is built

01:13:15.020 Every Liberal minority victory is built

01:13:17.280 He needs them

01:13:18.740 And, you know, it follows that letter

01:13:21.980 Just a few days ago

01:13:23.680 A similar letter from the Ontario Caucus

01:13:26.180 Which is his biggest caucus

01:13:27.640 And he needs those people to stay alive too

01:13:30.220 So basically, you know, the house is falling apart

01:13:32.980 All around him

01:13:33.880 And he's going to have nowhere to stand

01:13:35.960 You know, pretty soon

01:13:37.440 Right now, he's being kept alive artificially

01:13:41.140 In an oxygen tent by the province of Quebec

01:13:44.780 You know, the only province

01:13:47.260 Where the Liberal Party is competitive

01:13:48.980 Is in the province of Quebec

01:13:51.440 But he's still losing there

01:13:52.980 So I think if, you know, the Quebec Caucus

01:13:55.460 Does something similar

01:13:56.520 Basically, you know, he's

01:13:58.280 The ice flow that he's been standing on

01:14:00.580 Basically disappears and he sinks from view

01:14:03.180 I know there are people around him

01:14:06.600 Katie Telford

01:14:07.560 Mark Miller

01:14:09.600 Who, you know, has been very close to him forever

01:14:12.660 Dominic LeBlanc

01:14:13.840 Who used to be his babysitter

01:14:15.420 And I guess is his babysitter again

01:14:17.260 You know, the Minister of Finance

01:14:20.200 They're saying to him, you've got to stick around

01:14:21.940 I'm not sure what their argument could possibly be

01:14:25.400 But everybody else in the Liberal Party

01:14:27.780 Basically, majority of caucus

01:14:30.040 Half a cabinet

01:14:31.340 And of course, public opinion

01:14:32.920 You've got

01:14:33.620 It's not just Canadians broadly

01:14:35.860 Who want Justin to go

01:14:37.780 It's, you know, Canadian Liberal voters

01:14:40.680 People who have always voted Liberal

01:14:42.700 Saying, you know, I just

01:14:44.280 I've heard from Liberals, Kevin

01:14:46.180 You know, they told me when he comes on the TV

01:14:49.560 They get up and they cross the room

01:14:51.540 And turn the TV off

01:14:52.700 They just don't want to hear his voice

01:14:54.080 So it's all over

01:14:55.360 It's just a question of

01:14:56.640 How much longer it takes for him to realize that

01:14:59.160 So the interesting thing is

01:15:00.780 You know, the party in the House

01:15:02.520 That has stood with him

01:15:03.920 For a long time

01:15:04.900 Was the NDP under Jagmeet Singh

01:15:06.520 And Jagmeet Singh

01:15:07.340 Before Christmas

01:15:08.900 Has finally come around and said

01:15:10.580 I want Justin Trudeau to resign

01:15:13.200 But what I have found fascinating

01:15:15.540 Is in the last day or so

01:15:16.680 Is members of Jagmeet Singh's own caucus

01:15:19.700 Charlie Angus, for example

01:15:21.480 Put out a post on Twitter

01:15:23.720 Or formerly Twitter

01:15:25.040 Now X

01:15:25.580 Said, hey

01:15:26.480 I'm not going to vote

01:15:28.720 In support of Pierre Polyev's

01:15:30.480 Non-confidence motion

01:15:32.360 And so now we have

01:15:33.880 Splintering not only within the Liberal Party

01:15:36.100 And the NDP

01:15:37.000 And in this case

01:15:38.040 Charlie Angus would

01:15:39.340 Indirectly be voting

01:15:40.460 In support of Justin Trudeau

01:15:42.360 Yeah, and this is why I always tell people

01:15:44.920 Never, ever care what Jagmeet Singh says

01:15:48.120 Because he doesn't deliver

01:15:49.980 Or he can't deliver

01:15:50.820 Or he won't deliver

01:15:51.640 He's part of what I call

01:15:52.800 The axis of weasels

01:15:54.160 And, you know, he propped up Trudeau

01:15:56.640 During serial scandals

01:15:59.360 And missteps

01:16:00.240 And misadventures

01:16:01.240 All kinds of things

01:16:02.900 And trouble that Trudeau got into

01:16:05.120 Jagmeet Singh could always be

01:16:06.740 Counted on to support him

01:16:07.800 So I don't think any of that matters

01:16:09.980 Really so much anymore

01:16:11.040 What matters is

01:16:12.420 Because they

01:16:12.820 As I say

01:16:13.540 They're going to prorogue

01:16:14.400 So they don't have to worry

01:16:15.700 About the opposition parties

01:16:17.060 What matters is

01:16:18.720 That small group

01:16:19.760 Around Justin Trudeau

01:16:21.360 And what they're saying to him

01:16:22.700 Because I know members of his family

01:16:24.220 Have said to him

01:16:25.000 Months ago

01:16:25.920 It's all over

01:16:26.860 You've got to go

01:16:27.620 And the question is

01:16:28.980 You know

01:16:29.220 How does he execute

01:16:30.500 His pirouette

01:16:31.860 Away from power

01:16:33.280 In the way that his father did

01:16:34.760 Where he maintained some dignity

01:16:36.560 Maintains some authority

01:16:37.860 And it doesn't look like

01:16:39.040 He's being driven out

01:16:40.060 I think it's likely to happen

01:16:42.540 Now

01:16:43.480 When the House of Commons

01:16:44.500 Is not sitting

01:16:45.200 So we have now

01:16:47.480 Justin Trudeau

01:16:48.440 He is

01:16:48.800 I guess

01:16:49.200 We had heard

01:16:50.060 A skier

01:16:50.980 A fellow skier

01:16:51.560 Told him he's not welcome in BC

01:16:52.880 His Atlantic caucus

01:16:54.420 Has told him

01:16:54.820 He's not welcome there

01:16:55.800 Ontario

01:16:56.520 Doesn't seem to like him

01:16:57.700 When do you think

01:16:59.360 Quebec will pull the trigger

01:17:00.460 If they do

01:17:01.260 And say

01:17:01.820 We too

01:17:02.500 Need you to resign

01:17:03.620 There's pressure

01:17:05.100 Happening right now

01:17:06.540 Within the Quebec caucus

01:17:08.300 To do that

01:17:09.140 Now he's a member

01:17:10.260 Of that caucus

01:17:10.980 But

01:17:12.020 You know

01:17:13.100 As to whether

01:17:13.720 They produce a letter

01:17:14.620 Or not

01:17:15.000 We will see

01:17:15.740 But everybody's

01:17:16.960 Kind of giving him

01:17:17.660 A nudge

01:17:18.000 To see how he reacts

01:17:19.480 And if

01:17:20.300 You know

01:17:20.700 He continues

01:17:21.440 To pretend like

01:17:22.460 Everything's okay

01:17:23.340 Then there will be

01:17:24.380 Something coming

01:17:24.940 Over Quebec

01:17:25.560 On that woman in BC

01:17:27.220 Yeah

01:17:27.940 You know

01:17:29.000 You and I

01:17:30.140 I think have said

01:17:30.920 The same thing

01:17:31.620 We're not fans

01:17:32.460 Of Justin Trudeau

01:17:33.340 We're not fans

01:17:34.320 Of a lot of the decisions

01:17:35.520 He's made

01:17:36.180 But that is

01:17:37.360 Disgraceful

01:17:38.200 Nobody in public life

01:17:39.800 You

01:17:40.320 Trudeau

01:17:41.040 Anybody

01:17:41.780 Nobody deserves

01:17:43.120 To be spoken to

01:17:44.520 Or treated in that way

01:17:45.820 It's completely

01:17:46.740 Unacceptable

01:17:47.400 And that woman

01:17:49.500 You know

01:17:49.880 The more we learn

01:17:50.540 About her

01:17:50.880 She's just a lunatic

01:17:51.920 Who couldn't even

01:17:52.660 Win a spot

01:17:53.360 On a school board

01:17:54.740 You know

01:17:55.280 Kind of an anti-vaxxer

01:17:56.880 Loon

01:17:57.660 So you know

01:17:58.900 Nobody should pay

01:17:59.780 Any attention

01:18:00.340 To what somebody

01:18:00.960 Like that has to say

01:18:02.060 What matters

01:18:03.000 Is the drama

01:18:04.020 That's taking place

01:18:04.960 In Ottawa

01:18:05.420 Which is what

01:18:06.540 Trudeau is being told

01:18:07.580 And who he's listening to

01:18:09.100 Now Warren

01:18:09.860 There is a lot of drama

01:18:10.780 Though that has come out

01:18:11.780 From that whole

01:18:12.960 Kind of interaction

01:18:14.500 In BC

01:18:15.340 Do you think

01:18:16.280 That interaction

01:18:17.020 In light of what

01:18:18.540 You just said

01:18:19.220 Actually helps

01:18:20.820 Justin Trudeau

01:18:21.620 A little bit

01:18:22.980 It does

01:18:23.380 Yeah

01:18:23.600 For sure

01:18:24.140 You know

01:18:24.840 Canadians are decent people

01:18:26.560 And we can disagree

01:18:28.280 Politically

01:18:28.940 And you know

01:18:29.820 We have different

01:18:30.680 Ideological points of view

01:18:32.160 But we don't approve

01:18:33.740 Of the kind of politics

01:18:35.520 That guys like Donald Trump

01:18:37.220 Or that woman practice

01:18:38.460 That's not how we are

01:18:39.900 That's not how we do things

01:18:41.800 You know

01:18:42.340 I think that's why

01:18:42.980 You know

01:18:43.480 Canadians have been

01:18:44.280 So appalled by

01:18:45.300 You know

01:18:46.040 Trump trolling us

01:18:47.080 And calling us

01:18:47.700 The 51st state

01:18:48.720 And so on

01:18:49.400 So

01:18:50.180 Does he benefit from it?

01:18:52.460 A little bit

01:18:53.120 I would say so

01:18:54.120 But you know

01:18:55.260 I think

01:18:55.720 Quite some time

01:18:56.520 Ago as John Edmitson

01:18:57.560 In the Globe and Mail

01:18:58.300 Put it

01:18:58.800 I thought it was

01:19:00.340 The best way

01:19:00.880 Describing it

01:19:01.720 Canadians have got

01:19:02.940 Their arms folded

01:19:03.800 And they're just

01:19:04.620 Waiting for their

01:19:05.280 Opportunity to vote

01:19:06.400 Like it really is

01:19:07.620 All over for the guy

01:19:08.680 And it's time

01:19:10.360 For him to move on

01:19:11.280 Not just for the country

01:19:12.480 Not just for the Liberal Party

01:19:14.480 But for himself

01:19:15.600 You know

01:19:16.200 In politics

01:19:17.560 The most you get

01:19:19.140 The most you get

01:19:20.480 Is 10 years

01:19:21.500 Most

01:19:22.380 Most people

01:19:23.360 In public life

01:19:24.040 Get 8 years

01:19:25.040 That's why

01:19:25.480 US presidents

01:19:26.240 Are limited

01:19:26.800 To two terms

01:19:27.600 So

01:19:28.400 Like he's

01:19:29.260 He's way past

01:19:30.400 His best beyond date

01:19:31.600 And if he's sensible

01:19:33.060 Or be smart

01:19:33.880 He recognizes that

01:19:35.300 And he moves on

01:19:36.060 Warren

01:19:36.820 Thank you for joining us

01:19:37.760 On 640 Toronto

01:19:38.600 Thanks my friend

01:19:40.080 That was Warren

01:19:41.060 Kinsella

01:19:41.420 He's president

01:19:41.920 Of Daisy Group

01:19:42.680 And a former

01:19:43.340 Political strategist

01:19:44.600 For Canada's

01:19:45.240 20th Prime Minister

01:19:46.600 Jean Chrétien

01:19:47.700 Let in the lonely light

01:19:54.520 Two eyes so new inside

01:19:58.700 And warm your baby tie

01:20:02.040 With some words that seem so bright

01:20:05.820 Paint it a bedroom pink

01:20:11.580 To shape the way you think

01:20:15.060 To shape the way you think

01:20:15.620 You're gonna have to do

01:20:18.960 What you think you're supposed to

01:20:22.400 For when the waves

01:20:24.440 Rush in

01:20:25.420 Through your door

01:20:27.280 Can't use those golden legs

01:20:29.440 Anymore

01:20:30.980 For when the waves

01:20:32.640 Rush in

01:20:33.660 Through your door

01:20:35.540 Can't use those golden legs

01:20:37.700 Anymore

01:20:39.420 Can't use those golden legs

01:20:41.860 Anymore

01:20:43.900 You're gonna need a car

01:21:04.340 To signal what you are

01:21:08.660 To show up

01:21:10.920 Are you gone

01:21:11.920 Reflecting under the sun

01:21:15.520 You're gonna need a love

01:21:21.220 A gentle, quiet love

01:21:25.320 You're gonna need enough

01:21:28.600 And just in case

01:21:29.960 A little more up

01:21:32.280 Oh, with the waves

01:21:34.000 Rush in

01:21:35.060 Through your door

01:21:36.960 Can't use those golden legs

01:21:39.080 Anymore

01:21:40.660 Oh, with the waves

01:21:42.360 Rush in

01:21:43.380 Through your door

01:21:45.280 Can't use those golden legs

01:21:47.460 Anymore

01:21:49.260 Can't use those golden legs

01:21:51.560 Anymore

01:21:53.460 Can't use those golden legs

01:21:55.640 Any

01:21:56.460 Any

01:21:57.060 Any

01:21:58.460 Any

01:22:00.460 Any

01:22:02.460 More

01:22:04.060 Concerns about the future

01:22:22.720 Of our federal government

01:22:24.080 Are coming from the Atlantic Liberal Caucus

01:22:26.780 That caucus

01:22:27.680 Saying it wants Prime Minister Justin Trudeau

01:22:30.100 To resign

01:22:30.780 To give the party a chance

01:22:32.460 In the next federal election

01:22:34.580 So what does this mean

01:22:36.260 And what does the future look like

01:22:38.020 For both the federal liberals

01:22:39.400 And Justin Trudeau

01:22:40.980 Joining me now is Warren Kinsella

01:22:42.780 Former special advisor to Jean Chrétien

01:22:45.100 And founder of the Daisy Group

01:22:47.080 But Warren, thank you for coming back on the show

01:22:49.140 My pleasure

01:22:50.720 My pleasure

01:22:51.780 You have written a lot

01:22:53.820 About kind of looking into the future

01:22:56.220 Again

01:22:56.980 Doing it in a way that

01:22:58.900 Predictions can be a little bit dicey

01:23:01.100 But there are so many questions right now

01:23:03.220 About when Prime Minister Justin Trudeau

01:23:06.000 Will address all of these calls

01:23:07.740 For his resignation

01:23:08.680 When he will speak

01:23:10.300 To Canadians

01:23:11.540 What are your thoughts

01:23:13.600 On when we might hear

01:23:14.800 From the Prime Minister?

01:23:15.800 I think we're going to hear

01:23:17.300 We are going to hear from him

01:23:18.580 I just can't believe

01:23:19.660 That he's going to hold on

01:23:21.060 In these circumstances

01:23:22.380 You know

01:23:23.220 In the past few days alone

01:23:25.000 His biggest caucus

01:23:26.820 His biggest regional caucus

01:23:28.680 Which is Ontario

01:23:30.160 Wrote a letter

01:23:31.180 Calling on him to resign

01:23:32.780 He lost

01:23:34.460 Just before that

01:23:35.700 His Deputy Prime Minister

01:23:37.300 Minister of Finance

01:23:38.340 In the form of Christopher Freeland

01:23:40.240 Then came

01:23:41.720 The Atlantic Caucus

01:23:42.960 As you pointed out

01:23:44.020 And that's

01:23:44.780 You know

01:23:45.020 That's the beginning

01:23:45.760 That's the red wall

01:23:46.880 That's where

01:23:47.720 You know

01:23:48.240 Every Liberal victory

01:23:50.000 Begins

01:23:51.080 And then

01:23:51.900 Just

01:23:52.360 You know

01:23:52.900 A couple days ago

01:23:53.780 He's now lost

01:23:54.880 The Quebec Caucus

01:23:55.820 The Quebec Caucus

01:23:56.840 He's a member of that one

01:23:58.360 So

01:23:59.140 Like

01:23:59.600 He's got nothing left

01:24:01.560 It's

01:24:02.000 It's extraordinary

01:24:02.940 And in all my years

01:24:04.620 Involved in the Liberal Party

01:24:05.740 I've never seen anything like this

01:24:07.480 You know

01:24:08.060 Turner

01:24:08.540 And

01:24:09.260 Chrétien

01:24:09.840 And

01:24:10.420 And

01:24:11.040 You know

01:24:11.720 Trudeau's father

01:24:12.460 All of them went through

01:24:13.680 Difficulties

01:24:14.540 With their caucus

01:24:15.460 But nothing like this

01:24:17.220 Is it a

01:24:19.060 Combination of things

01:24:20.700 Or what is it

01:24:21.540 Was there one

01:24:22.140 Particular turning point

01:24:23.660 You think

01:24:24.380 That led to this

01:24:25.640 This kind of revolt

01:24:26.620 Like you said

01:24:27.220 We've never seen

01:24:28.080 This type

01:24:28.940 Of these calls

01:24:29.860 For resignation

01:24:30.440 Coming

01:24:31.080 Coming from inside

01:24:32.280 The house

01:24:32.920 Yeah

01:24:34.540 I think

01:24:35.180 You know

01:24:35.680 In politics

01:24:36.360 It's never one thing

01:24:37.760 That accounts for a loss

01:24:38.880 There's never

01:24:39.460 It's never just one thing

01:24:40.720 That accounts for a win

01:24:41.740 In this case

01:24:42.940 It's been building

01:24:43.740 For some time

01:24:44.480 I know a lot of people

01:24:45.220 Think that it was

01:24:45.860 Christa Freeland

01:24:46.780 That you know

01:24:47.900 Reedy belled the

01:24:48.800 Proverbial cat

01:24:49.920 And that certainly

01:24:51.200 Didn't help

01:24:52.060 But I think

01:24:53.040 Really what it is

01:24:54.000 Is what we've been

01:24:54.860 Seeing

01:24:55.260 And Angus Reed

01:24:56.040 Institute

01:24:56.380 Published

01:24:57.000 An extraordinary

01:24:58.000 Poll

01:24:58.540 Just yesterday

01:25:00.120 Showing the

01:25:01.180 Liberal Party

01:25:01.700 Canada

01:25:02.240 Formerly

01:25:03.180 You know

01:25:03.620 The most successful

01:25:04.480 Political machine

01:25:05.480 In western democracy

01:25:07.080 At 16% support

01:25:09.820 Now that may be

01:25:10.980 An outlier poll

01:25:12.000 I guess we'll find out

01:25:13.080 In the coming days

01:25:14.040 As to whether

01:25:14.820 Angus Reed's people

01:25:16.280 Are right or not

01:25:17.320 But if that is true

01:25:18.720 That is going to be

01:25:20.080 The worst showing

01:25:21.040 In the history

01:25:22.040 Of the Liberal Party

01:25:23.020 You know

01:25:23.580 In more than

01:25:24.180 100 years

01:25:25.020 And you know

01:25:26.660 They potentially

01:25:27.320 If you look at

01:25:28.060 The sea projections

01:25:28.880 Could be wiped out

01:25:30.240 So to me

01:25:30.780 The problem began

01:25:31.980 Not so much

01:25:32.980 With Christopher Freeland

01:25:33.980 Or you know

01:25:35.320 Trudeau's caucus

01:25:36.160 Or his cabinet

01:25:37.480 Or Jagmeet Singh

01:25:39.120 Or any of that stuff

01:25:40.320 It really began

01:25:41.320 With the public

01:25:41.980 You know

01:25:42.320 With Joe and Jane

01:25:43.020 Front porch saying

01:25:44.000 We've had it with this guy

01:25:45.600 And we want him gone

01:25:46.520 And I know

01:25:48.500 You've written

01:25:49.120 About this as well

01:25:50.120 Saying here's

01:25:51.040 Here's a prediction

01:25:51.780 That yes

01:25:52.380 He is going to leave

01:25:54.200 But do

01:25:55.180 Do you get a sense

01:25:56.400 Is he going to

01:25:57.960 Wait for a confidence vote

01:25:59.880 Is he going to leave

01:26:00.900 And spark a leadership race

01:26:02.560 Do you have any idea

01:26:03.460 On how he might exit

01:26:04.940 Well there's two ways

01:26:07.280 You leave office

01:26:08.340 You know

01:26:09.540 Whether you're

01:26:10.140 Prime Minister or not

01:26:11.100 And it's either

01:26:12.000 On your

01:26:12.480 You know

01:26:12.940 Your own two feet

01:26:13.840 Or in the

01:26:14.640 You know

01:26:14.980 The proverbial

01:26:15.760 Pine box

01:26:16.660 And I don't think

01:26:17.880 He wants it

01:26:18.920 To be the latter

01:26:19.720 You know

01:26:20.160 I don't think

01:26:20.640 He wants his legacy

01:26:21.640 To be leading

01:26:23.280 The Liberal Party

01:26:24.040 To its worst defeat

01:26:25.160 In its history

01:26:26.060 He's got some time

01:26:27.920 The House of Commons

01:26:28.720 Doesn't return

01:26:29.760 Until the 27th of January

01:26:31.720 So he's got about

01:26:33.260 A month there

01:26:34.360 To make an announcement

01:26:35.600 About writing

01:26:36.940 To the President

01:26:37.600 Of the Liberal Party

01:26:38.240 And asking for

01:26:39.060 A leadership convention

01:26:40.160 But even beyond that

01:26:42.360 He's got some time

01:26:43.260 I know that

01:26:43.900 You know

01:26:44.500 A lot of journalists

01:26:45.280 Are paying attention

01:26:46.320 To these confidence votes

01:26:47.700 That are coming up

01:26:48.540 In the month of March

01:26:49.500 Or the Tories

01:26:50.620 Or the NDP

01:26:51.440 Or whomever

01:26:52.320 Have an opportunity

01:26:53.560 To pass a motion

01:26:55.300 Indicating whether

01:26:56.680 They have confidence

01:26:57.680 In the government

01:26:58.460 And the government

01:26:59.560 Would fall

01:27:00.520 If one of those votes

01:27:01.680 Were to take place

01:27:02.520 But he's got the same

01:27:04.040 Option that

01:27:05.160 Stephen Harper

01:27:06.000 Used in 2008

01:27:07.320 Which is proroguing

01:27:08.740 And shutting down

01:27:09.700 The House of Commons

01:27:10.580 And that would give him

01:27:12.060 Even more time

01:27:13.340 And it would give

01:27:14.060 The Liberal Party

01:27:14.660 More time to have

01:27:15.760 A leadership race

01:27:16.800 And pick a new leader

01:27:18.040 And you know

01:27:19.020 If they do that

01:27:19.940 You know

01:27:20.340 I really do think

01:27:21.520 That if Trudeau goes

01:27:24.160 Liberal Party's

01:27:25.420 Prospects will improve

01:27:26.460 A little bit

01:27:26.980 They have a leadership race

01:27:28.560 Their prospects

01:27:29.520 Will improve a little bit

01:27:30.840 Because you know

01:27:31.260 People like you

01:27:31.960 And I just love

01:27:32.680 Talking about

01:27:33.780 Leadership races

01:27:34.520 They'll get lots of

01:27:35.400 Attention out of that

01:27:36.980 And they'll get

01:27:37.380 A new leader

01:27:37.940 And every time

01:27:38.680 You get a new leader

01:27:39.460 That person gets

01:27:40.860 A honeymoon

01:27:41.400 And if they time it right

01:27:44.020 It would be right

01:27:44.980 Around the time

01:27:45.640 That they would be

01:27:46.460 Looking to go

01:27:47.140 To the people

01:27:47.760 Sometime next fall

01:27:48.900 So you know

01:27:50.240 I don't think

01:27:50.880 It's over for them yet

01:27:52.140 I still think

01:27:52.780 They're probably

01:27:53.420 Going to lose

01:27:54.160 An election

01:27:55.180 But you know

01:27:56.300 Right now

01:27:57.420 As things stand

01:27:58.240 With Justin Trudeau

01:27:59.500 As the leader

01:28:00.540 They're definitely

01:28:01.380 Going to lose

01:28:02.040 Yes

01:28:03.120 Especially when

01:28:04.040 You mention

01:28:04.600 Those polling numbers

01:28:05.600 Even if it is

01:28:06.320 A bit of an outlier

01:28:07.280 Some other polls

01:28:08.480 Maybe not showing

01:28:09.260 That low of support

01:28:11.180 But certainly

01:28:11.960 That falling support

01:28:13.500 So if it does

01:28:14.920 Go to

01:28:15.760 The root

01:28:16.880 Of proroguing

01:28:18.200 Or this leadership

01:28:18.960 Race

01:28:19.620 I know a lot

01:28:20.300 Of names

01:28:20.800 Have been bounced

01:28:21.860 Around

01:28:22.540 Mark Carney

01:28:23.360 Christopher Freeland

01:28:24.180 You've written

01:28:25.000 About this as well

01:28:26.040 A former premier

01:28:27.340 Of BC

01:28:28.120 Yeah I really

01:28:30.280 Do think

01:28:30.920 That you know

01:28:32.000 Politics is like

01:28:33.260 Its opposites

01:28:34.000 Attract

01:28:34.500 Right

01:28:34.820 You know

01:28:35.320 Polyev really

01:28:36.220 Is the

01:28:37.400 Polar opposite

01:28:38.940 Of Trudeau

01:28:40.180 And I think

01:28:41.060 The liberals

01:28:41.520 Are going to be

01:28:42.060 Looking for somebody

01:28:42.920 Who is the

01:28:43.580 Opposite

01:28:44.200 Of him

01:28:45.360 And it's

01:28:46.920 High time

01:28:47.920 It's much

01:28:48.540 Overdue

01:28:49.060 That we have

01:28:49.740 A woman

01:28:51.220 To lead

01:28:51.940 You know

01:28:52.480 One of the

01:28:53.020 National political

01:28:53.860 Parties

01:28:54.280 The mainstream

01:28:54.760 Parties

01:28:55.400 And a lot

01:28:56.400 Of liberals

01:28:56.880 Want to do that

01:28:57.720 And told me

01:28:58.380 They think

01:28:58.920 It's time

01:28:59.920 That they do

01:29:00.440 That

01:29:00.740 There's a

01:29:02.220 Tradition

01:29:02.620 Within the

01:29:03.060 Liberal party

01:29:03.560 That you alternate

01:29:04.300 Between French

01:29:05.400 Leaders

01:29:06.120 And English

01:29:07.520 Leaders

01:29:08.220 And you know

01:29:09.880 My view is

01:29:10.820 That they have

01:29:11.600 To pick somebody

01:29:12.340 Who is not

01:29:13.160 In the current

01:29:14.520 Cabinet

01:29:15.120 Who's in the

01:29:15.920 Current government

01:29:16.700 They're too close

01:29:17.760 To the blast

01:29:18.380 Radius

01:29:18.840 They're too

01:29:19.280 Implicated

01:29:19.860 In all the

01:29:20.780 Scandals

01:29:21.380 And the mistakes

01:29:21.980 Have been made

01:29:22.500 So if you do

01:29:23.420 That kind of

01:29:24.040 Mathematics

01:29:24.900 It really narrows

01:29:26.280 It down to

01:29:26.880 One person

01:29:27.680 Which is

01:29:28.440 Christy Clark

01:29:29.180 She obviously

01:29:30.500 Is interested

01:29:31.220 In the leadership

01:29:32.000 You know

01:29:32.800 She's been to

01:29:33.520 France

01:29:33.960 And studied

01:29:34.640 French for a

01:29:35.340 Year

01:29:35.580 You know

01:29:37.120 She's working

01:29:38.180 The back rooms

01:29:39.080 She's got a bit

01:29:40.140 Of a team

01:29:40.580 Right now

01:29:41.120 You know

01:29:41.760 And I know

01:29:42.080 There's some

01:29:42.480 People in BC

01:29:43.080 Right now

01:29:43.820 Who might be

01:29:44.620 Driving off the

01:29:45.420 Road

01:29:45.620 And saying

01:29:46.300 No

01:29:46.580 No

01:29:46.900 But I can

01:29:48.480 Tell you

01:29:48.940 She would be

01:29:50.220 Attractive

01:29:51.040 To a national

01:29:52.220 Audience

01:29:52.880 For all of the

01:29:53.820 Reasons I've

01:29:54.440 Cited

01:29:54.760 And for

01:29:55.240 Edilence

01:29:55.600 And you know

01:29:56.000 She's got that

01:29:56.620 Comeback kid

01:29:57.860 Kind of thing

01:29:58.480 Everybody in BC

01:29:59.420 She knows

01:30:00.060 She was counted

01:30:01.980 Out more

01:30:02.720 Than once

01:30:03.420 And she came

01:30:04.400 Back to win

01:30:05.200 So that

01:30:06.100 You know

01:30:06.340 That's what

01:30:06.660 Liberals value

01:30:07.500 More than

01:30:07.960 Anything else

01:30:08.600 Is your ability

01:30:09.300 To win

01:30:09.820 So I think

01:30:10.720 That she really

01:30:11.300 Would be

01:30:11.800 A contender

01:30:12.520 If you know

01:30:13.020 I were then

01:30:13.580 If I were

01:30:13.980 Advising them

01:30:14.660 She would be

01:30:15.440 The one I

01:30:15.820 Would pick

01:30:16.300 Which is

01:30:17.340 Interesting

01:30:17.660 And I hope

01:30:18.140 Nobody has

01:30:18.900 Driven off the

01:30:19.760 Road

01:30:19.940 But I think

01:30:20.400 You're right

01:30:20.760 That certainly

01:30:21.340 Will get

01:30:21.880 A response

01:30:22.700 You can put

01:30:24.080 Your clothes

01:30:24.740 Back on

01:30:25.760 She's leaving

01:30:27.640 You

01:30:29.220 No time

01:30:32.880 To apologize

01:30:34.420 For the

01:30:35.460 Things you

01:30:36.960 Do

01:30:38.220 Go rent

01:30:41.860 A Ferrari

01:30:42.800 And sing

01:30:45.740 The blues

01:30:47.720 Believe that

01:30:51.320 Clapton

01:30:52.240 Was the second

01:30:53.320 Coming

01:30:54.660 It falls apart

01:31:01.280 We all got

01:31:02.880 Work to do

01:31:04.100 It gets dark

01:31:10.440 We all got

01:31:12.020 Work to do

01:31:13.280 She's leaving

01:31:19.100 She's leaving

01:31:28.260 She's leaving

01:31:29.060 She's leaving

01:31:33.060 She's leaving

01:31:35.060 Vegas is beautiful

01:31:38.440 At night

01:31:40.060 It's not about

01:31:46.260 The money

01:31:47.100 You just

01:31:48.800 Like the lights

01:31:50.380 No

01:31:54.180 You know

01:31:55.020 What is

01:31:56.200 Implied

01:31:57.220 When your room

01:31:59.000 Is free

01:32:00.640 You're feeling

01:32:04.720 Lucky

01:32:05.540 Falls apart

01:32:13.500 Falls apart

01:32:14.460 We all got

01:32:15.500 We all got

01:32:16.000 Work to do

01:32:17.500 It gets dark

01:32:23.620 We all got

01:32:25.200 Work to do

01:32:26.500 She's leaving

01:32:27.380 She's leaving

01:32:31.420 She's leaving

01:32:37.200 She's leaving

01:32:38.880 She's leaving

01:32:41.560 She's leaving

01:32:53.920 She's leaving

01:32:54.980 We'll be right back.

01:33:24.980 It falls apart. We all got work to do. It gets dark. We all got work to do. It gets dark.

01:33:54.980 We all got work to do. It falls apart. We all got work to do. It gets dark.

01:34:10.980 We all got work to do. It gets dark. We all got work to do. It gets dark. We all got work to do.

kinsellacast - January 05, 2025

KINSELLACAST 343： Happy New Year with Lilley, Kheiriddin, Mraz, Belanger, Vuong, Bennett - plus the best killer riffs of 2024!

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