kinsellacast - KINSELLACAST 347： FUCK YOU, YANKS! With Lilley, Mulroney, Burney, Zivo, Bergen, Mraz

00:00:00.000 It's the KinsellaCast, starring Warren Kinsella.

00:00:17.180 Hey, it's Warren. Welcome to the KinsellaCast, and welcome to an earlier release of Self-Same

00:00:23.600 podcast, because all of us have had our weekend scrambled by the decision of the Trump administration

00:00:32.340 to go after us with tariffs, not just rhetoric. So we're still trying to figure all that out.

00:00:38.860 So I've spoken to people earlier, but still have a good show for you. So Brian Lilley and I talking

00:00:44.140 about that, implications of that, where we're going to start to see evidence of the impact of

00:00:50.500 the tariffs, John Raz, talking about the political impact. And then Ben Moroney, Adam Zivo and

00:00:57.420 I, Candace Bergen, but also Derek Burney. Derek Burney, it was interesting. Ben asked Burney

00:01:03.880 about something I said. I'm going to play you what I said. And Burney agreed with me. So

00:01:10.360 we'll put that at the, towards the back end of the show. And I've got music. I don't know

00:01:16.200 what it is. I'd like, I'm in Australian kind of surf punk these days, but I am. I've got

00:01:22.880 Tired Lion, Australian band from Perth, been around since 2010. With or Without is the name

00:01:29.040 of the tune. Kick things off. Violent Soho from Brisbane. Jesus Stole My Girlfriend. Pretty

00:01:36.240 funny tune. The Moving Stills from New South Wales. They're very surfy with a song called 19.

00:01:42.500 Dear Seattle. Also from New South Wales. The tune called Daytime TV. And then this band

00:01:48.760 called the Hot Nasties. And I was thinking, I need a song that talks about Canada being

00:01:55.720 under attack. When was the last time Canada was under attack? Has anybody written a song

00:02:00.480 about that? And then I remember, yeah. Pierre and I did when we were 15 about the October

00:02:06.480 crisis. So I've got the Hot Nasties, our band playing the October 7-0 at the tail end of

00:02:13.200 the show. And hopefully you get a kick out of that or not. So the tariffs are here. How did

00:02:23.520 we get here? Simple. We, all of us, under successive governments of different political stripes, allowed

00:02:31.360 our trade with the United States to balloon to 80% of what we export. That was a critical

00:02:38.220 mistake. And all of us went along with it. And it's a mistake that has left us too vulnerable

00:02:43.120 to the whims of our biggest customer, which is never a good strategy. Canadians who have been

00:02:49.680 justifying Donald Trump's bogus bullshit pretexts for imposing these crippling tariffs aren't very

00:02:56.960 good strategists either. They've been dutifully dancing to Trump's tune, just like he wanted us

00:03:02.520 to. And so this newly returned US president exaggerated, actually fabricated the fentanyl and

00:03:09.320 illegal migrant threats. So he couldn't be accused of violating the very trade agreement he himself

00:03:15.240 signed with Canada and Mexico in his first term. His fentanyl and illegal border crossing claims were

00:03:22.040 bullshit. And they were pretext to get him out of the USMCA obligations he had. Nothing more,

00:03:28.680 nothing less. But anyway, that doesn't matter anymore. What matters is changing course because

00:03:33.440 the tariffs have arrived. And they're making us less dependent on trade with the US. What matters

00:03:39.300 is getting national leadership to guide us through that and the difficult years ahead. What matters now

00:03:46.160 is linking arms with those who support Canada and building new alliances, economic

00:03:51.880 and otherwise. Because the United States, right, finding those allies, pretty hard to do. Like

00:03:58.180 lots of Canadians, I think, I felt when this stuff started to be talked about, I thought most Americans

00:04:07.140 would rally to our side. You know, when he started talking about using economic force against us to

00:04:13.000 make us the 51st state, like some of us thought the majority of Americans would object. You know, for

00:04:18.220 example, when he published maps, like the anti-Semites and the pro-Hamas people do with Israel,

00:04:25.060 you know, publishing maps in which we don't exist anymore, from sea to sea. Anyway, that hasn't

00:04:31.040 happened for the most part. And few Americans have spoken up for Canada. And social media, for sure,

00:04:37.520 there have been a few voices opposing Trump's plans to annex Canada. There's a Republicans against Trump

00:04:44.500 group on X. And they tweeted that his claims about us were false. Quote, all Canadian leaders from

00:04:54.400 right to left oppose this idea. According to a recent poll, 82% of Canadians are against joining

00:04:59.980 the US, end quote. Lieutenant Governor, I guess they say Lieutenant Governor down there, Danny Heck in

00:05:06.280 Washington State said, quote, Canada is not our 51st state. They are our neighbor. They're one of our

00:05:13.380 largest trading partners, our ally, having fought alongside us in every war, and our friend, a

00:05:19.300 friendship built on shared values and a commitment to democracy, end quote. Brian Krasenstein, who

00:05:25.980 is a social media friend of mine and an influential podcaster, said, quote, Canada has been one of our

00:05:34.760 closest allies, a key trade partner, shares countless common interests with us. This isn't

00:05:40.260 diplomacy. It's a cringeworthy display of ego, masquerading as leadership, end quote, here, here.

00:05:47.180 Bruce Heyman, who was the US ambassador to Canada from 2014 to 2017, he told the Canadian journalist

00:05:54.340 that as an American, I hate this, Gretchen Whitmer, governor of Michigan, she was also impressed by it.

00:06:01.580 I'll say, this isn't how you treat friends. And she said, quote, I'm not opposed to tariffs outright,

00:06:05.600 but we can't treat them like a one size fits all solution. We certainly shouldn't use them

00:06:10.400 to punish our closest trading partners, end quote. An American journalist, Aaron Rupar, who I follow,

00:06:17.100 he's got nearly a million followers on X alone, and he had the best and the pithiest take, I think.

00:06:23.360 I'm sorry, Canada. Elsewhere, though, American allies have been few and far between. Like,

00:06:29.620 even, as Brian Lilly and I talk about on this week's show, Senator Bernie Sanders, when asked

00:06:35.540 about Trump's expansionism, said he was all for it. That's a quote, all for it, because he believed

00:06:41.260 that it would get America universal health care, like Canada has. And he's wrong, of course. We'd get

00:06:47.100 their system, not the other way around. Other Americans, including elected ones, have been

00:06:52.580 openly hostile. Texan Republican Congressman Brandon Gill, quote, listen, I think that the people of

00:07:00.880 Canada, for that matter, should be honored that President Trump wants to bring their territory

00:07:05.220 under the American fold, end quote. Well, fuck you, Mr. Gill. Similarly, Utah Senator Mike Lee

00:07:11.860 said that the U.S. should take over Alberta and leave the rest. Fuck you, Mike. And the game show host

00:07:18.120 and boating enthusiast Kevin O'Leary, who professes to be a Canadian from his perch in a mansion in

00:07:24.080 Boston, has done the media circuit to defend Trump's aggression. And O'Leary, who is unilaterally

00:07:31.080 appointed himself Canada's ambassador to Mar-a-Lago, says, quote, what has caught the imagination

00:07:37.240 of Canadians is an economic union beyond what we have now, end quote, which is bullshit, which

00:07:42.800 is a lie. Multiple polls have been conducted up here in the Great White North since Trump started

00:07:47.720 going on about taking us over. And all have found more than 90% on the right and the left, from

00:07:54.140 Pierre Polyev to Justin Trudeau, strongly oppose this so-called idea. But for those of us casting our

00:08:00.600 eyes down south to see if any of our allies will step up to a microphone and defend us, it ain't

00:08:06.520 happening. We're on our own, folks. Time to get ready.

00:08:12.980 Why are we here? Where do we belong? Everyone is a walking ghost. The people of love. And I have my drink.

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00:09:12.440 Why are we here? Where do we go? Caught by the feeling that we know. Take me. Take me to my home. Take me.

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00:11:17.600 Oh, yeah, oh, you

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00:11:32.880 And we're back on an extraordinary day with my friend Brian Lilly, my colleague Brian Lilly.

00:11:46.720 But Brian, before we get started, I wanted to play a clip that both you and I have seen in the past 48 hours and have sent out to our readers and followers.

00:11:55.800 And it's a clip by Ronald Reagan, former U.S. President, Republican, talking about trading partners of the United States of America.

00:12:05.240 So let's just play that clip right now of President Reagan.

00:12:09.020 Our peaceful trading partners are not our enemies.

00:12:12.320 They are our allies.

00:12:14.020 We should beware of the demagogues who are ready to declare a trade war against our friends, weakening our economy, our national security, and the entire free world, all while cynically waving the American flag.

00:12:26.820 The expansion of the international economy is not a foreign invasion, it is an American triumph, one we worked hard to achieve, and something central to our vision of a peaceful and prosperous world of freedom.

00:12:41.080 After the Second World War, America led the way to dismantle trade barriers and create a world trading system that set the stage for decades of unparalleled economic growth.

00:12:51.460 Yes, back in 1776, our founding fathers believed that free trade was worth fighting for, and we can celebrate their victory, because today, trade is at the core of the alliance that secure the peace and guarantee our freedom.

00:13:08.880 It is the source of our prosperity and the path to an even brighter future for America.

00:13:15.340 Until next week, thanks for listening, and God bless you.

00:13:19.920 All right, so that was Ronald Reagan talking about trading partners and allies.

00:13:27.100 Brian, what do you think about what President Reagan said?

00:13:31.800 Well, I think it was very smart, but it's from a bygone era, unfortunately.

00:13:38.020 You know, at that point, Reagan was fighting protectionists primarily within the Democratic Party, but some within his own party, as he was expanding free trade with Canada and other nations.

00:13:48.520 And eventually, what Reagan put forward there and his free trading viewpoint became the Washington consensus.

00:14:00.340 You know, Bill Clinton's view on trade, despite being a Democrat, was not really any different than Ronald Reagan's.

00:14:08.840 But then things changed, you know, I think partly fundamentally, it's, you know, bringing China into the WTO, which Clinton did in, I think, 97, and everyone thought was a great idea.

00:14:23.940 Bipartisan support on China, well, China's been a bad actor on trade.

00:14:29.700 And just thinking about it now, if we want to go back to the roots of why Canada's in this position that we are now, it would be to blame China.

00:14:37.040 Because of how they have been accepted into the world trading systems built up after World War II, but then have abused them for their own benefit.

00:14:48.040 And they don't play by the rules.

00:14:50.580 And so it's upended everything.

00:14:52.680 Well, explain, but explain, if I can just jump in, explain then to people who don't follow this stuff as closely as you do, how is it that Canada gets hit with 25% tariff, and China only gets hit with 10%?

00:15:07.240 That I couldn't tell you, other than, I don't know, the goods from China are lower value.

00:15:17.840 They're the things that Americans rely on, buying at Walmart, at Target, your everyday items, so much of that.

00:15:26.940 That's the only thing I can think of.

00:15:28.700 I don't know if that is what their suggestion is.

00:15:32.260 And there's no doubt that, you know, whatever is going on with cross-border fentanyl trade between Canada, the U.S., and Mexico, that the origin of it all traces back to China.

00:15:45.860 And they are the worst player in that.

00:15:48.040 Exactly.

00:15:48.820 So, look, I don't get it, and I'm not going to try to explain.

00:15:53.400 But my point on Reagan is that that viewpoint is gone.

00:15:57.800 And it's not just gone in the Republican Party, although there's still people like Rand Paul who were expressing similar sentiments.

00:16:05.680 But, you know, just like there was a consensus against tariffs, that's gone.

00:16:11.820 Like, even Bernie Sanders was saying he was fine with the tariffs that Trump's going to put in.

00:16:15.520 So, we're in a very different era right now, and my worry is that because we did take the relationship for granted, and I remember speaking with Democrats about the Trudeau guys getting blindsided by some of Biden's protectionist moves.

00:16:39.380 They said, well, once Trump was gone and Biden came in, they just kind of took everything for granted.

00:16:45.600 We've taken the U.S. for granted on a lot, and we just assume it's on cruise control.

00:16:51.320 And I don't think that our diplomats or our politicians understand what's this fundamental change in attitude in Washington.

00:17:04.500 I don't think they get it, and that's leaving us in a really bad position.

00:17:07.860 If they understood it, great.

00:17:09.420 Stephen Taylor, conservative activist, pointed out something that I think is very accurate, that the Trudeau guys have zero insight into Trump's Republican Party.

00:17:21.680 And, like, Trump's not a Republican, he's not a Democrat, or he's not a conservative, but he does control the Republican Party now.

00:17:28.660 But let's explore that.

00:17:29.580 And, like, they know fewer people than folks like Stephen and I who go down to CPAC every couple of years, the Conservative Political Action Committee.

00:17:39.080 They just have zero insight into that world.

00:17:41.800 But free trade is a conservative principle.

00:17:44.980 Every conservative I've known, you know, I grew up in Alberta.

00:17:47.900 Free trade is conservative first.

00:17:50.260 And, like, how is it that this man, this president, can turn his back on the principles of free trade, not just with us.

00:17:58.540 He's talking about doing it with the EU and Mexico, like, with allies.

00:18:03.080 How can he do this and call himself a conservative?

00:18:06.440 Well, he's not a conservative.

00:18:09.440 And, by the way, the first Canadian prime minister to run an election on free trade with the Americans was one Sir Wilfrid Laurier.

00:18:15.720 I believe if you look up on the record, I might be wrong, but I think if you look up on the record, he was a liberal.

00:18:22.660 Yeah.

00:18:23.220 Yep.

00:18:24.000 He sure was.

00:18:25.400 Where do you—

00:18:25.800 Look, that's gone back and forth.

00:18:27.400 But the reason that Trump is making so many of these moves, I alluded to it earlier, comes back to China.

00:18:35.700 He's trying to rework the global trading order in favor of the United States.

00:18:44.680 China's making all kinds of moves.

00:18:46.600 You want to know why he's trying to take back the Panama Canal?

00:18:50.420 Because China's trying to control it by stealth or other means.

00:18:54.840 Well, why not go after China then?

00:18:56.400 Like, that doesn't make any sense to me.

00:18:57.960 Like, why not go after China with the 25%?

00:19:00.480 Well, I think the 10% tariffs are on top of the tariffs that he put in last time that Biden left in place.

00:19:07.420 So China's already been hit by tariffs in 2018.

00:19:10.960 We just got the steel and aluminum back then.

00:19:13.580 They got across-the-board tariffs.

00:19:15.380 And you know what they did?

00:19:16.680 They both subsidized their producers and exporters to keep prices as they were.

00:19:21.900 And they devalued their currency.

00:19:26.220 I'm really hoping, with the dollar sitting at 68 cents right now against the U.S. dollar,

00:19:32.560 that we don't go down to the dark days of 61, 60 cents a U.S. dollar.

00:19:38.120 That would make everything else expensive.

00:19:40.580 Speaking of that, a quick aside.

00:19:42.260 We don't have to get too deep into it.

00:19:43.620 So Mark Carney releases his plan for replacing the carbon tax.

00:19:48.820 And part of it is a carbon leakage border adjustment.

00:19:53.940 What does that mean?

00:19:54.900 I don't want to talk about-

00:19:56.440 You want the carbon tax on every import.

00:19:58.440 I don't want to talk about Mark Carney or the carbon tax.

00:20:00.680 I want to talk about where this thing is going.

00:20:03.120 Because you've got lots of contacts in the United States.

00:20:05.340 You've got lots of contacts in Ottawa.

00:20:07.280 Where do the experts, because you speak to people who are elected and not elected,

00:20:12.980 where do the experts think that this decision today of the Trump administration,

00:20:18.480 where are we going to see the impact first?

00:20:21.220 Where is it going to be immediate?

00:20:24.340 I think the biggest one would be the auto sector,

00:20:27.200 just because of its size and how often parts go back and forth across the border.

00:20:31.900 However, this is not-

00:20:34.200 I mean, Howard Lutnick, who was before the Senate Commerce Committee this week,

00:20:38.580 stated clearly that he said the 25% tariffs were just about the border,

00:20:44.680 about fentanyl, about illegal immigration.

00:20:46.780 You can believe that those things exist or not.

00:20:49.780 That's what they're saying.

00:20:51.420 And he said, but even if we take care of that,

00:20:54.140 we're going to face sectoral tariffs on things like auto parts.

00:20:58.680 Why?

00:20:59.720 Lutnick was clear.

00:21:00.600 He wants to move production to the United States.

00:21:04.060 So, you know, even if we get past these 25% tariffs,

00:21:10.300 and, you know, we show that we're dealing with the Mexican drug cartels,

00:21:14.420 which have moved into Canada.

00:21:15.920 They're in the GTA, highly present in Calgary,

00:21:19.160 highly present in British Columbia, Montreal.

00:21:23.340 Let's say we deal with that.

00:21:27.020 And they lift the 25% tariffs.

00:21:29.260 Well, then we're going to get lower tariffs like China and other countries on things like auto parts.

00:21:36.020 Maybe we'll get the 10% tariffs like the oil industry is going to get.

00:21:40.920 Yeah, but I'm confused.

00:21:42.300 Lutnick is saying, you know, we're going to get them no matter what.

00:21:45.740 Trump's saying it has to do with fentanyl, 98% of which is produced, precursors and the product is produced in China and brought in by Americans.

00:21:54.620 Leave that aside.

00:21:56.220 Like, Lutnick, I felt, who's the, just so everybody knows, he's the Commerce Secretary for Trump,

00:22:01.540 was at least honest and said, well, sorry guys.

00:22:05.540 Basically, there's not much you can do that's going to meaningfully change any of this stuff.

00:22:09.820 Well, so instead of 25%, we'll get 10%.

00:22:12.760 Exactly.

00:22:13.240 And he disputes the idea that it's inflationary.

00:22:18.960 And whether it's Howard Lutnick or Stefan Moran or Robert Lighthizer or Peter Navarro,

00:22:26.960 these are the people advising Trump economically.

00:22:29.300 And they believe in tariffs as an economic and a, here's the term Stefan Moran uses in his 41-page paper.

00:22:39.500 He's the head of Hudson Capital.

00:22:42.680 Geoeconomics.

00:22:43.340 They want to use economic might rather than military might to adjust the world to their liking and in favor of the United States.

00:22:52.880 Which is being honest, because I think that's always what it was.

00:22:56.520 Because I never believed it had to do with fentanyl or illegal aliens.

00:22:59.980 So, if it's that, doesn't it have, because you're a student of politics more than anybody I know,

00:23:06.320 if that is your focus, doesn't that kind of persuade the people who you're attacking, Mexico and China and the EU,

00:23:14.440 to form a union of their own to resist that?

00:23:17.600 Like, isn't this pushing us into trade and political relationships more than what we've got with the rest of the world?

00:23:23.360 I mean, maybe with other countries, but, you know, I've seen some Canadian political commentators saying,

00:23:31.100 great, we should just bring in all the Chinese EVs we can get.

00:23:33.820 Yeah, I've seen the same thing.

00:23:35.060 I mean, just, okay, let's just make all our auto workers unemployed, because China will never invest in a plant here.

00:23:41.740 No.

00:23:41.940 So, if we end up with 10% tariffs on auto parts, we can live with that.

00:23:48.640 We absolutely can.

00:23:50.680 So, and still be successful.

00:23:54.260 Prices will still go up, right?

00:23:56.940 I mean, prices will still go up, but not as much as they're going to with what we're facing now.

00:24:02.640 Yeah, and look, part of what we have to do, you know, compare the Canada-U.S. relationship to a marriage.

00:24:11.940 Sometimes, you know, you're in a marriage, you're in a long-term relationship, you've got to do stuff you don't like.

00:24:18.180 You've got to watch a rom-com when you'd rather be watching football.

00:24:22.760 You've got to go to a restaurant that you, oh, I don't really like that one.

00:24:26.860 I know you love it.

00:24:27.760 Okay, we'll go there.

00:24:28.640 You've got to make compromises, and immediately after USMCA was signed, the Americans ended up, under Biden, not Trump, under Biden, ended up filing two trade panels against us, one on dairy and one on auto parts.

00:24:48.520 And on dairy, they said, wait a minute, we had an agreement, and you've changed the rules so that half a billion dollars of Wisconsin milk that was being used in cheese production, not, you know, going in the milk that you and I probably put on the table, half a billion of this per year is now being blocked.

00:25:06.460 And that really pisses us off.

00:25:08.560 And then they say on the auto parts, well, I thought we agreed to a more restrictive idea of what was a North American-made part, and you and Mexico are putting more Chinese and export parts into your parts.

00:25:27.600 And we fought them on these.

00:25:57.600 Absolutely anything, even if it was with an agreement.

00:26:00.680 So we lost on that one at the panel.

00:26:03.600 But why wouldn't, on the auto parts, why wouldn't we want to make sure that there's more Canadian steel or aluminum in it instead of Chinese?

00:26:11.040 So sometimes you've got to make these compromises, and these small compromises would benefit the larger economy.

00:26:20.000 When you hear Trump say Canada's treated as awfully on trade, these are the types of things that he's talking about, things that were irritants to the Biden administration.

00:26:27.900 But now we're not dealing with Joe Biden.

00:26:30.660 No.

00:26:31.080 We're dealing with an angry man.

00:26:33.340 And maybe we should have taken the L on those two and not be facing these tariffs.

00:26:39.900 You know, at some point, we will have to negotiate our way out of this.

00:26:44.200 I know I'm being accused of capitulating to the U.S. and not being on Team Canada by people who, by the way, have been undermining the Canadian oil industry.

00:26:54.460 Hello, Tim Gray.

00:26:55.460 For a decade, trying to shut down production.

00:26:57.780 But, you know, sometimes you've got to give a little to get a lot.

00:27:02.900 And I think we're giving up a lot to keep a little.

00:27:06.140 You know, cutting off your nose to spite your face sort of stuff is what's happening right now.

00:27:10.380 And I think sometimes it's just dumb politics.

00:27:15.180 Well, you know, my view, as you know, is that you are an honest person.

00:27:19.580 And when you say, when somebody says to you, here's my issue, you take it at face value and deal with that.

00:27:25.880 And I've never felt in fentanyl and illegal aliens what this is about.

00:27:29.040 It's about what you pointed out a couple of minutes ago, which is reordering, you know, the political structure of the world.

00:27:36.560 If I can just tell you, I've been searching all afternoon for any evidence on the fentanyl.

00:27:42.960 And I can't find any.

00:27:44.000 Now, like I've searched DEA news releases and reports and State Department stuff, and I can't find it.

00:27:51.160 But on the illegal migrants, which Trump doesn't talk about as much, I've said to you before, and the numbers are there, we're a growing problem.

00:27:59.240 So we've got to fix that.

00:28:00.480 It's mainly, you know, this stupid international student thing that we set up where we brought in like 1.6 million people.

00:28:08.520 And we brought in all these people.

00:28:10.120 The majority of them, or the largest group anyway, came from India.

00:28:14.420 You're allowed a student visa.

00:28:16.380 And then 43,000 of them immediately went to the U.S. last year and declared asylum.

00:28:21.820 Yeah.

00:28:22.720 That's like, you know, Trudeau keeps saying we're less than 1% of the problem.

00:28:27.720 You look at the American numbers, which they publish, we're 7%.

00:28:30.960 And deal with the issues at hand.

00:28:35.300 And that is not capitulation.

00:28:37.180 That is being a good partner.

00:28:39.020 And we can, by the way, go back to them and say, all right, now you've got to help us with the illegal guns coming in.

00:28:44.800 You've got to do something on that.

00:28:46.520 And here's our issues.

00:28:48.020 But if we're not dealing with their issues, they're not going to deal with ours.

00:28:51.480 Yeah.

00:28:52.100 Again, I just think you're a good guy.

00:28:53.860 And you believe if we deal with that 7%, they're actually going to move on that?

00:28:58.980 I've never believed they were going to move on that.

00:29:00.820 I've got Derek Burney on from the rest of the show, where he agrees with me that this was always just a pretext to get out of the USMCA.

00:29:08.500 But final question.

00:29:10.220 Okay.

00:29:10.780 Political impact of all of this stuff.

00:29:13.000 Just very quickly, do the merry-go-round here.

00:29:17.320 We've got an Ontario election going on now.

00:29:19.480 We've got a liberal leadership race going on now.

00:29:21.540 Who wins with this stuff?

00:29:23.760 Who loses?

00:29:24.540 Or does everybody lose?

00:29:26.680 Well, we're all going to lose.

00:29:29.080 You know, this is not catastrophe.

00:29:31.320 Let's just be clear about that.

00:29:33.040 It's going to hurt, but it's not end-of-the-world stuff.

00:29:38.020 Ontario election, Doug Ford wins because he's read the room.

00:29:41.760 Yeah.

00:29:41.940 You look at the polling that Leger did for Post Media.

00:29:45.460 Yeah.

00:29:45.660 More than 80% won a hard-nosed response.

00:29:51.540 Dollar-for-dollar retaliation.

00:29:53.700 Doug Ford is calling for the government to go harder than what Trudeau is going.

00:29:59.060 Trudeau, I think Trudeau is actually doing a smart way.

00:30:02.700 He's ramping up.

00:30:04.060 I think the smartest viewpoint that I've heard is Pierre Polyev, where he talked about no tariffs on some things.

00:30:10.140 If we need them, like, you know, celery in the winter.

00:30:12.960 Why would we do that?

00:30:13.960 But then the, you know, if we can make it here, put higher tariffs on.

00:30:19.220 Make it dollar-for-dollar, but not, you know, 25% across the board, let's say.

00:30:25.520 Liberal leadership.

00:30:26.360 I think people are foolishly looking at Mark Carney and saying, well, he's an economist, so he knows best.

00:30:35.020 You know, I know a lot of economists, and I did a podcast with two of them on Full Comment earlier in the week.

00:30:41.120 So if people want to hear about what's threatening us beyond the tariffs, because the tariffs are a small part of this, the bigger threat is from Trump's restructuring of the American economy.

00:30:52.680 I spoke to Ian Lee and Carlo Dade.

00:30:54.200 Go listen to that.

00:30:55.620 But Mark Carney, I think, you know, he looks like he's walking away with the liberal leadership, and people believe that he's really smart.

00:31:03.900 Well, he, on his carbon tax thing, he said, well, we'll get rid of the consumer one, then jack up the one for industry.

00:31:15.480 And Todd Battis at CTV Atlantic, same guy that interviewed Pierre a week ago, said, well, won't people eventually pay that?

00:31:21.260 And he said, oh, no, no.

00:31:23.520 It's like, you're the economist.

00:31:25.580 You know that's not true.

00:31:27.200 So, you know, and Justin Trudeau, by the way, I think this is the first time we've mentioned him.

00:31:31.580 He's irrelevant.

00:31:32.520 He's totally irrelevant.

00:31:34.000 He's gone.

00:31:35.060 He's out building his shack in Costa Rica or whatever.

00:31:38.140 So, anyway, well, I guess the sad reality, I feel terrible for people who are anxious tonight, wondering, asking their spouse if they're going to lose their job, what it means for their future.

00:31:50.160 So I'm saying a prayer for all those people.

00:31:53.080 And I guess it's a lot for you and I to talk about in the coming weeks, isn't it?

00:31:58.140 Absolutely.

00:31:58.540 And just I've got Fox News on.

00:32:00.640 I subscribe to Fox News now so I can know what the president's saying.

00:32:04.900 And they're just showing Mike Pompeo talking about the tariffs on Canada, Mexico going into effect.

00:32:10.240 And, yeah, only 10% on China.

00:32:12.660 Don't bloody get it.

00:32:14.000 No, makes no sense.

00:32:15.380 Not the way you treat a friend, that's for damn sure.

00:32:18.860 Anyway, my friend, honored you could share some time with us on what is a very busy day for you.

00:32:25.600 So have a great day and a great week.

00:32:27.980 Talk soon.

00:32:29.080 Every day, every afternoon, tried so hard, but lost to God.

00:32:40.220 Chill out.

00:32:40.980 Chill out.

00:32:41.980 Chill out.

00:32:42.980 I thought, yeah, my friend, I'll guess again.

00:32:50.500 I look to the clouds.

00:32:53.560 God gives me a frown.

00:32:56.380 Come on.

00:32:57.560 This time is here.

00:33:05.000 I'll say sorry, but Jesus saw my girlfriend.

00:33:18.000 Jesus saw my girlfriend.

00:33:21.060 A smile and a wink meant more than a kiss, but I don't see the world like you do, girl.

00:33:34.060 We ate and we sung to glory and fun, but Jesus is here.

00:33:42.980 He ate up our fears.

00:33:45.700 Yeah.

00:33:46.060 Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

00:33:56.740 This time is just open.

00:34:01.060 This time is just outside, so hard, but Jesus saw my girlfriend.

00:34:13.060 Jesus saw my girlfriend.

00:34:18.060 Ask a friend what to do.

00:34:22.060 I wrote a prayer and made it out to you.

00:34:27.060 Angels listen, but they knew I was true.

00:34:33.060 Say a prayer.

00:34:36.060 Lift our hands.

00:34:39.060 Lift our hands.

00:34:41.060 Glorious.

00:34:42.060 Glorious.

00:34:43.060 This time is here.

00:34:48.060 This time is here.

00:34:49.060 I'll remember it.

00:34:51.060 This time is here.

00:34:53.060 I'll say sorry, but Jesus saw my girlfriend.

00:34:56.060 But Jesus stole my girlfriend

00:34:59.060 Jesus stole my girlfriend

00:35:05.060 Jesus stole my girlfriend

00:35:10.060 Jesus stole my girlfriend

00:35:16.060 Guest panelist Candice Bergen

00:35:25.460 Former leader of the Conservative Party of Canada

00:35:28.260 Candice welcome to the show

00:35:29.260 Hi Ben

00:35:30.560 Warren Kinsella

00:35:31.880 A great friend of the show

00:35:33.280 Former special advisor to Jean Chrétien

00:35:34.840 And CEO of the Daisy Group

00:35:35.880 Welcome back my friend

00:35:36.620 Good morning sir

00:35:38.060 And another great friend Adam Zivo

00:35:39.940 National Post columnist

00:35:40.940 And executive director

00:35:41.940 For the Centre for Responsible Drug Policy

00:35:44.160 Adam thanks so much for coming back

00:35:45.480 Thanks for having me

00:35:47.200 Alright so yesterday

00:35:48.200 We got confirmation that tomorrow is tea day

00:35:50.640 Trump confirmed that the tariffs are coming

00:35:52.820 On Canadian imports

00:35:54.120 And he said oil may or may not be included

00:35:58.060 Candice how did we get to this point

00:36:00.680 Was it an inevitability

00:36:03.780 Or could this have been averted

00:36:05.300 Well I don't think anybody knows

00:36:07.980 The exact answer to that

00:36:09.860 I mean I was in the House of Commons

00:36:11.860 I was part of the opposition

00:36:13.040 Watching the Liberals

00:36:14.700 Over the last two and a half years

00:36:17.260 Insulting and mocking Donald Trump

00:36:19.800 And anyone who associated with him

00:36:22.160 For you know

00:36:23.600 For political gain

00:36:25.000 I don't know

00:36:26.180 That I would have taken that approach

00:36:27.940 If I think I might have to work

00:36:29.780 With an American administration

00:36:31.400 I might not have spent many years

00:36:33.820 Mocking and insulting them

00:36:35.040 So let's start with that

00:36:36.220 Secondly

00:36:37.740 Currently we are not

00:36:39.820 Really listening to what

00:36:41.500 President Trump

00:36:42.620 And the people around him are saying

00:36:44.540 And why they are threatening

00:36:46.200 And imposing these tariffs

00:36:47.800 So if we want to find a resolution

00:36:49.820 I think we have to truly understand

00:36:51.840 What they're saying

00:36:52.440 It's like a marriage ban

00:36:53.460 If you want the marriage to blow up

00:36:55.280 You disregard what your spouse is saying

00:36:57.660 Say they have no valid reason

00:36:59.100 To be upset

00:36:59.780 And you're going to end up in divorce

00:37:01.800 If you want the marriage to work out

00:37:03.640 You say hey

00:37:04.300 If it's important to you

00:37:05.580 It's important to me

00:37:06.980 So when Trump says

00:37:08.360 You've got fentanyl coming into the US

00:37:10.640 Maybe we say quietly

00:37:13.000 Listen that's not what our officials are saying

00:37:14.920 But if you care about it

00:37:16.720 America

00:37:17.440 We care about it

00:37:18.540 So you know

00:37:19.300 I think that there's some

00:37:20.400 Some things that we're not doing

00:37:22.240 Properly at the moment

00:37:23.840 Yeah Warren

00:37:24.540 I'm scratching my head

00:37:26.280 Because

00:37:26.920 He said the border was an issue

00:37:29.560 And the feds eventually put together

00:37:31.400 A 1.4 billion dollar border plan

00:37:33.800 Some of it is taking effect

00:37:35.560 Some of it's going to roll out

00:37:36.560 Over the course of months and years

00:37:37.920 You've got the provinces

00:37:39.060 Buttressing those

00:37:40.620 In their own ways

00:37:41.900 And so it looks to me like

00:37:44.520 The solve is on its way

00:37:46.300 So the only thing that I can look at

00:37:48.300 Is while Donald Trump projects strength

00:37:50.260 He's thin skinned

00:37:53.720 And when our prime minister

00:37:54.620 Took to a microphone

00:37:55.540 To essentially demean the American people

00:37:58.800 And say you could have elected

00:38:00.140 Your first female president

00:38:02.040 And you didn't

00:38:02.740 To me I think he just decided

00:38:04.480 Okay I'm going to go full petty here

00:38:06.040 And I'm going to inflict some damage

00:38:08.040 But I have nothing in the basis of fact

00:38:11.120 To say that that's true

00:38:12.080 It's just a feeling I have

00:38:12.960 Like we got here

00:38:15.500 To answer your question to Candace

00:38:17.560 Because we made a mistake

00:38:19.480 As a people

00:38:20.480 Under successive governments

00:38:22.680 Of all stripes

00:38:23.560 We allowed 80% of our trade

00:38:26.760 To balloon to one customer

00:38:28.920 The United States of America

00:38:30.680 That's why we're vulnerable

00:38:32.960 We didn't diversify our trade

00:38:35.320 That's why he's got us over a barrel

00:38:37.600 But just like I am so fed up

00:38:40.100 Of hearing about his BS

00:38:42.000 About fentanyl and the border

00:38:44.160 He said those things as an excuse

00:38:48.060 To get himself out of the terms

00:38:50.420 Of the trade agreement

00:38:51.560 He signed himself with us

00:38:54.180 The USMCA

00:38:55.520 He could not get himself

00:38:57.580 Out of the terms of that agreement

00:38:59.420 Without concocting so-called

00:39:01.900 National emergencies

00:39:03.000 Which is fentanyl

00:39:04.560 And illegal aliens

00:39:05.900 And all of us know

00:39:07.200 Anybody with a brain knows

00:39:09.220 That fentanyl and illegal aliens

00:39:11.800 Overwhelmingly come from the south

00:39:14.240 Into the United States

00:39:15.640 Not from the north

00:39:16.920 So it's all bogus

00:39:18.800 But we do have a problem

00:39:20.480 Like I'm fed up

00:39:21.260 Trying to justify our behavior

00:39:23.620 To this man

00:39:24.500 It's a bad strategy

00:39:26.000 You know

00:39:26.400 In full disclosure

00:39:27.060 I work for Hillary

00:39:27.900 I work for Harris

00:39:28.980 The one thing I learned about Trump

00:39:30.500 Is his predictability

00:39:32.460 Is that he's unpredictable

00:39:33.860 Us trying to dance to his tune

00:39:36.180 Is a mistake

00:39:36.800 We need to find leadership

00:39:38.180 Who can guide us

00:39:39.280 Through the years ahead

00:39:40.260 And diversify our trade portfolio

00:39:43.380 That's what we need

00:39:44.560 Talking about the past

00:39:45.880 It's a waste of time

00:39:46.800 I know

00:39:47.340 And Adam

00:39:48.140 I'm of two minds

00:39:49.940 I agree

00:39:50.440 We've got this big problem

00:39:51.980 Ahead of us

00:39:52.500 It doesn't necessarily

00:39:53.300 Bode well

00:39:54.140 Or help us to look back

00:39:55.460 However

00:39:56.160 It's in the immediate past

00:39:58.020 We've

00:39:58.680 The self-inflicted wounds

00:40:00.140 Of

00:40:00.720 You know

00:40:01.120 Piroguing parliament

00:40:02.040 And forcing us

00:40:03.340 Into

00:40:03.560 Wait for the liberals

00:40:05.000 To figure out

00:40:05.680 Their own mess

00:40:06.300 Before we can finally

00:40:07.240 Have a prime minister

00:40:08.080 With a mandate

00:40:08.820 These are choices

00:40:10.420 That were made

00:40:10.960 In the very recent past

00:40:12.400 And it's

00:40:12.680 And Donald Trump

00:40:13.720 Wasn't around the corner

00:40:14.820 At that point

00:40:15.380 He was right in front of us

00:40:16.940 Yeah

00:40:18.560 I mean

00:40:18.740 I think obviously

00:40:19.200 These are self-inflicted wounds

00:40:20.400 And that it was

00:40:21.020 Obviously unwise

00:40:22.440 To prorogue parliament

00:40:23.460 While we were well aware

00:40:24.760 Of the fact

00:40:25.140 That we would deal

00:40:25.740 With this substantial crisis

00:40:27.080 Which I think

00:40:28.000 Some people

00:40:28.540 You know

00:40:28.840 Have arguably

00:40:29.420 Compared to

00:40:30.440 The pandemic

00:40:31.440 Should these tariffs

00:40:33.200 You know

00:40:33.480 Fully go through

00:40:34.420 As we all fear tomorrow

00:40:35.880 That risks shedding

00:40:37.420 500,000 jobs

00:40:38.880 In Ontario

00:40:39.780 Right

00:40:40.460 And we have a labor force

00:40:41.760 Of about 8 million people

00:40:42.880 So this would

00:40:43.380 Immediately increase

00:40:44.740 Our unemployment rate

00:40:47.300 By about 6.25%

00:40:49.160 Basically bring it up

00:40:50.360 To levels that we saw

00:40:51.100 At the height of COVID

00:40:51.740 And it doesn't take a genius

00:40:53.320 To see

00:40:54.160 That if you have

00:40:55.580 The risk of such

00:40:56.480 A catastrophic

00:40:57.340 Development coming through

00:40:59.300 You want to keep

00:41:00.320 Parliaments in session

00:41:01.240 So you can work together

00:41:02.520 On a solution

00:41:03.680 Donald Trump is unpredictable

00:41:05.380 And he's predatory

00:41:06.260 And he smells weakness

00:41:07.540 And Trudeau

00:41:09.220 Unfortunately

00:41:09.780 Has been very weak

00:41:11.120 And has prioritized

00:41:12.440 His political survival

00:41:13.280 Over the country's economy

00:41:15.300 And its future

00:41:16.080 In our previous segment

00:41:17.580 We spoke with

00:41:18.160 Kevin O'Leary

00:41:18.740 Who love him or hate him

00:41:20.180 Has spent a lot of time

00:41:21.240 With Donald Trump

00:41:21.960 And he says

00:41:22.600 That we can get

00:41:23.260 A last minute deal

00:41:24.500 Let's listen to

00:41:26.380 What he has to say

00:41:27.340 We've got to figure that out

00:41:28.520 In the next 20 hours

00:41:30.240 So I expect

00:41:31.560 The other premiers

00:41:32.400 Will do the same thing

00:41:33.540 That Daniel Smith did

00:41:34.800 And get out there

00:41:36.220 And communicate

00:41:36.900 That they don't want

00:41:37.820 Fentanyl in their provinces either

00:41:39.300 They don't want the Chinese

00:41:40.240 Using a forest border

00:41:41.460 In their provinces

00:41:42.480 This is the focus right now

00:41:44.840 And if we get this done

00:41:46.600 The only objective

00:41:47.440 Is to kick

00:41:48.220 This whole issue

00:41:49.540 Down the road

00:41:50.760 Until we have

00:41:51.280 A federal election

00:41:52.020 And we put a mandate

00:41:52.920 In place

00:41:53.380 With whoever the new leader

00:41:54.240 Is going to be

00:41:54.780 To negotiate with Trump

00:41:55.980 On NAFTA 3

00:41:56.740 Because there's a big

00:41:57.420 Economic opportunity here

00:41:58.760 Not a downside

00:42:00.460 That's who we should be

00:42:01.420 Focusing on

00:42:01.980 So let's get that message out

00:42:03.200 Let's get it out on Fox

00:42:04.240 Let's get every premier

00:42:05.400 Saying I'll top up

00:42:06.920 With an extra

00:42:07.400 Whatever it is

00:42:08.420 Like Smith did

00:42:09.520 29 million bucks

00:42:10.800 Canadian

00:42:11.160 Is nothing

00:42:12.080 In the context

00:42:13.020 What it costs

00:42:13.740 To get involved

00:42:14.480 In a trade war

00:42:16.060 I'm going to give

00:42:16.820 Each of you

00:42:17.360 45 seconds

00:42:18.320 To respond

00:42:18.880 To Kevin O'Leary

00:42:19.700 And we're going to

00:42:20.380 Start with you Warren

00:42:20.980 I don't care

00:42:22.660 What Kevin O'Leary

00:42:23.400 Says he dropped

00:42:24.420 The conservative race

00:42:25.520 When he got like

00:42:26.060 Less than 1%

00:42:27.300 Of the delegates

00:42:28.360 Conservatives aren't

00:42:29.320 Even interested

00:42:29.920 In what he has to say

00:42:30.900 This is like

00:42:31.840 The voice of Boston

00:42:32.840 This guy lives in Boston

00:42:34.260 And he's telling us

00:42:35.460 How to run our affairs

00:42:36.600 Like he should

00:42:37.760 But he has been

00:42:38.600 Speaking to Donald Trump

00:42:39.660 He spent a lot of time

00:42:40.320 Spent more time

00:42:40.860 Than Trudeau has

00:42:41.740 And what a tremendous

00:42:43.120 Effect he's had Ben

00:42:44.380 You know

00:42:45.480 What a success

00:42:46.320 He has had

00:42:47.120 On our behalf

00:42:47.860 He's an idiot

00:42:48.900 I don't care

00:42:49.560 What he has to say

00:42:50.440 We need to focus

00:42:51.520 On a Canadian solution

00:42:52.620 Not listening to

00:42:53.800 Some game show host

00:42:54.860 In Boston

00:42:55.540 Hey don't knock

00:42:56.320 The game show host

00:42:57.180 Warren

00:42:57.480 I used to be one

00:42:58.560 Let's talk

00:42:59.480 Adam your take

00:43:00.460 You're good

00:43:00.820 Well I think

00:43:02.260 If he's advocating

00:43:03.160 That we fix

00:43:03.720 The border problem

00:43:04.400 I think that's ridiculous

00:43:05.180 Because there is

00:43:06.040 No real border problem

00:43:07.060 As alluded to before

00:43:08.080 Fentanyl coming in

00:43:09.000 From Canada

00:43:09.500 Is not a big issue

00:43:10.360 For the United States

00:43:11.300 The Canadian fentanyl

00:43:13.080 Accounts for about

00:43:14.160 1% of what is

00:43:15.840 Flowing in from Mexico

00:43:16.880 So sure

00:43:17.900 We can spend

00:43:18.400 All of this money

00:43:19.040 Trying to fix

00:43:19.600 A non-existent problem

00:43:20.580 But ultimately

00:43:21.140 What we have to do

00:43:21.980 Is kowtow

00:43:23.460 To Trump

00:43:24.740 And soothe his ego

00:43:26.000 And maybe there's

00:43:26.640 Some truth in that

00:43:27.560 But I think

00:43:28.420 We have to reflect upon

00:43:29.420 What it means for us

00:43:30.960 To have to

00:43:32.580 Treat our ally

00:43:33.500 This way

00:43:33.980 If we want to be

00:43:34.460 Traded with basic respect

00:43:35.480 And protect our sovereignty

00:43:36.580 Candace

00:43:37.900 You had the first word

00:43:38.760 In this segment

00:43:39.320 I'm going to give you

00:43:39.760 The last word

00:43:40.320 Well

00:43:41.540 Listen

00:43:42.280 I'm coming

00:43:42.920 You know

00:43:44.000 As a mom

00:43:44.620 And sometimes

00:43:45.960 You want to get

00:43:46.700 The problem solved

00:43:47.700 It doesn't matter

00:43:48.320 Who's right

00:43:49.040 Who's wrong

00:43:49.820 You want to get

00:43:50.480 The problem solved

00:43:51.560 In this case

00:43:52.220 We need the problem solved

00:43:53.760 So if Donald Trump

00:43:55.280 Thinks we have a problem

00:43:56.720 Thinks we have a problem

00:43:56.740 With fentanyl

00:43:57.460 I think we should be

00:43:58.940 Publicly and privately

00:44:01.200 Saying please tell us

00:44:02.880 Where and what

00:44:03.780 You believe the problem is

00:44:04.960 Our data is not

00:44:05.860 Showing that

00:44:06.480 But we respect you

00:44:08.040 We want to listen to you

00:44:09.580 We want to hear you

00:44:11.060 We play psychology

00:44:12.460 If we need to

00:44:13.200 So I would say

00:44:14.140 I agree with what Kevin O'Leary

00:44:16.040 Is saying

00:44:16.560 We need to talk to them

00:44:18.040 If it's a problem

00:44:19.040 If it's a problem for you America

00:44:19.880 It's a problem for us

00:44:21.420 Because we want

00:44:22.380 This relationship

00:44:23.400 To work

00:44:24.160 So we shouldn't be

00:44:25.120 Gaslighting

00:44:25.780 I think we need to see

00:44:26.960 What they're talking about

00:44:28.160 And fix it to their satisfaction

00:44:30.480 Well this has been a great

00:44:31.620 First segment of the

00:44:32.520 Political panel

00:44:33.180 Candice Bergen

00:44:33.920 Warren Kinsella

00:44:34.680 Adam Zeevo

00:44:35.360 Are my guests

00:44:36.300 For this week in politics

00:44:37.860 We've got more

00:44:38.760 With the panel next

00:44:39.820 Including are we buying

00:44:41.100 What Jagmeet Singh

00:44:41.980 Is selling

00:44:42.920 That is next

00:44:43.960 On the Ben Mulroney Show

00:44:44.980 This is

00:44:45.960 This week in politics

00:44:47.120 Continuing with

00:44:48.020 Candice Bergen

00:44:48.680 Warren Kinsella

00:44:49.560 And Adam Zeevo

00:44:50.680 We've got

00:44:51.740 We've got Jagmeet Singh

00:44:53.540 Saying he will bring down

00:44:54.840 The government in March

00:44:55.760 But he wants to pass

00:44:57.500 Trump tariff relief first

00:44:58.820 Let's listen to

00:44:59.740 The leader of the NDP

00:45:00.760 Parliament is not set

00:45:02.080 To come back

00:45:02.660 Until March 24th

00:45:04.080 It would be very unlikely

00:45:05.180 That between that day

00:45:06.180 And the end of March

00:45:06.880 The government

00:45:07.600 And your party

00:45:08.500 Or any other parties

00:45:09.240 Would be able to pass

00:45:10.000 Any legislation

00:45:10.700 To help out workers

00:45:11.980 So again

00:45:13.180 If parliament comes back

00:45:15.000 On the 24th

00:45:15.900 And there is no

00:45:17.140 Tariff help

00:45:18.020 For workers

00:45:18.760 You will vote

00:45:19.560 To bring down the government

00:45:20.440 At any available date

00:45:21.840 Past March 31st

00:45:23.200 We'd just like some clarity

00:45:24.120 Because your position

00:45:25.360 Your position has been

00:45:26.460 Moving on this issue

00:45:27.320 Not at all

00:45:28.160 It's not changed at all

00:45:29.560 We said I was going to

00:45:30.660 Vote against the government

00:45:31.360 When they come back

00:45:32.080 End of March

00:45:32.920 I'm saying that again

00:45:34.020 Today

00:45:34.360 We absolutely

00:45:36.140 Can pass legislation

00:45:37.260 We've done it in the past

00:45:38.420 We absolutely

00:45:39.520 Can pass legislation

00:45:40.420 If the parliament

00:45:41.400 Is recalled now

00:45:42.240 We've got

00:45:43.180 Lots of time

00:45:44.040 To get parliament

00:45:44.660 To get this

00:45:45.520 This passed

00:45:46.640 It can be fast tracked

00:45:47.720 It can be done

00:45:48.600 It can be done

00:45:49.040 Very quickly

00:45:49.700 All right

00:45:50.920 Adam Zivo

00:45:51.780 Do you trust

00:45:52.460 That Jagmeet Singh

00:45:53.380 Is going to vote

00:45:53.820 Non-confidence

00:45:54.440 At the first chance

00:45:55.820 He gets

00:45:56.280 Or is he going

00:45:57.220 To use dental care

00:45:58.100 And tariff relief

00:45:59.320 Spending as a reason

00:46:00.680 To prop up this government

00:46:01.680 Just a little bit longer

00:46:03.020 I think the latter

00:46:04.780 Because he's demonstrated

00:46:05.860 Time and time again

00:46:06.640 That he has no spine

00:46:07.860 Right

00:46:08.320 He tore up

00:46:09.140 The confidence

00:46:09.700 Supply agreements

00:46:10.600 And said that

00:46:12.240 He was willing

00:46:12.920 To bring down

00:46:13.800 The liberals

00:46:14.240 And did absolutely

00:46:15.380 Nothing

00:46:15.740 Until he was forced to

00:46:16.800 When there was

00:46:17.120 A national crisis

00:46:17.820 After Christian Freeland's

00:46:18.920 Resignation

00:46:19.560 And I think

00:46:21.680 That

00:46:22.540 It's unlikely

00:46:25.500 That the NDP

00:46:26.520 Will be in as good

00:46:28.060 Of a political position

00:46:28.920 As it is right now

00:46:30.200 For quite some time

00:46:31.140 Because their polling

00:46:31.840 Numbers are stagnant

00:46:32.720 If not declining

00:46:33.480 They have more influence

00:46:35.260 Than they've had

00:46:35.960 In a generation

00:46:37.120 And likely won't

00:46:38.620 Achieve this level

00:46:39.300 Of influence

00:46:39.900 After the conservatives

00:46:40.880 Have formed government

00:46:41.820 So I can see

00:46:43.320 There being very strong

00:46:44.260 Incentives for him

00:46:45.040 To renege

00:46:47.220 And to

00:46:48.580 Continue to support

00:46:49.440 The liberals

00:46:49.840 If only to push

00:46:50.720 The agenda

00:46:51.140 And get some kind

00:46:51.880 Of victory

00:46:52.260 That he can point to

00:46:53.200 Until his party

00:46:54.360 Goes to a period

00:46:55.120 Of hibernation

00:46:56.080 For another decade

00:46:56.820 Or so

00:46:57.220 Candace

00:46:58.540 Do you agree?

00:47:01.060 My experience

00:47:01.620 Working with the NDP

00:47:02.500 Is that they're

00:47:03.240 Actually not

00:47:03.880 That politically astute

00:47:05.520 If Jagmeet

00:47:07.560 Had been smart

00:47:08.280 He would have

00:47:08.940 Toppled the government

00:47:09.720 In December

00:47:10.380 And run against

00:47:11.780 The liberals

00:47:12.280 Under Trudeau

00:47:12.980 When he saw

00:47:14.060 All that blood

00:47:14.600 In the water

00:47:15.060 So when I look

00:47:16.580 At what he's

00:47:17.380 Saying now

00:47:18.060 I don't believe him

00:47:19.420 I don't trust him

00:47:20.360 I think he makes

00:47:21.540 Things up on the fly

00:47:22.680 With not a real

00:47:23.400 Strategic plan

00:47:24.380 Interestingly

00:47:25.900 In this case

00:47:26.920 It could end up

00:47:27.880 If this is delayed

00:47:29.040 A little bit

00:47:29.660 This could end up

00:47:30.420 Helping the conservatives

00:47:31.420 Because it will

00:47:33.100 Maybe take the shine

00:47:34.420 Off what probably

00:47:35.620 Will be a Mark Carney

00:47:36.520 Coronation

00:47:37.620 And expose

00:47:39.080 The hypocrisy

00:47:40.320 And the liberals

00:47:40.920 And so

00:47:41.840 You know

00:47:42.360 That could be

00:47:42.960 Interesting

00:47:43.320 But no

00:47:43.720 I don't trust

00:47:44.380 Jagmeet at all

00:47:45.160 And it's not

00:47:45.940 Because I just

00:47:46.560 Think he's so shrewd

00:47:47.660 I just

00:47:48.260 I don't think

00:47:49.080 He's got a lot

00:47:49.640 Of

00:47:49.760 He and the people

00:47:50.780 Around him

00:47:51.200 Are not that

00:47:51.640 Politically astute

00:47:52.540 Well someone

00:47:53.280 Who is exceptionally

00:47:54.060 Politically astute

00:47:54.780 Is Warren Kinsella

00:47:55.580 And Warren

00:47:55.900 You've given advice

00:47:56.580 To a lot of leaders

00:47:57.400 And they've been

00:47:57.960 Successful

00:47:58.540 In large part

00:47:59.480 Because of that

00:48:00.200 Advice

00:48:00.660 So when you

00:48:01.980 See Jagmeet Singh

00:48:03.380 Over the past

00:48:04.080 Few weeks

00:48:05.040 And months

00:48:05.520 What sort of

00:48:06.220 Advice do you

00:48:06.620 Think he's been

00:48:07.000 Getting

00:48:07.260 Well thank you

00:48:08.640 For that compliment

00:48:09.300 I will accept it

00:48:10.380 I actually think

00:48:13.140 You know

00:48:13.420 He's the voice

00:48:14.420 Of the axis

00:48:14.980 Of weasels

00:48:15.620 As I call it

00:48:16.340 So I don't

00:48:17.060 Believe anything

00:48:17.700 He says

00:48:18.260 However he's

00:48:19.020 Playing it the

00:48:19.640 Right way

00:48:20.340 In my view

00:48:22.040 He needs to

00:48:23.240 Show that

00:48:24.540 He is consistent

00:48:25.760 On toppling

00:48:26.800 The government

00:48:27.380 And the government

00:48:29.180 Under Prime Minister

00:48:30.460 Carney

00:48:30.880 Which is coming

00:48:31.640 They're going to

00:48:32.900 Do whatever it

00:48:33.680 Takes to get him

00:48:34.820 Over to their

00:48:36.280 Side of the equation

00:48:37.340 Like whatever it

00:48:38.560 Takes

00:48:38.900 Every bribe

00:48:39.940 That they can

00:48:40.700 Concoct

00:48:41.360 Because like

00:48:42.460 Put yourself

00:48:43.300 In Carney's

00:48:44.040 Shoes

00:48:44.500 It's crazy

00:48:45.480 To become

00:48:45.920 Leader of the

00:48:46.460 Liberal Party

00:48:47.140 And Prime Minister

00:48:48.820 And then get

00:48:49.740 Defeated two weeks

00:48:50.800 Later

00:48:51.120 Like it's just

00:48:52.120 Not going to

00:48:52.860 Happen

00:48:53.300 So they've

00:48:54.080 Got to do

00:48:54.420 All they can

00:48:55.240 To negotiate

00:48:56.200 With Singh

00:48:56.960 And I'm told

00:48:57.780 That that is

00:48:58.300 Happening now

00:48:59.080 And Singh

00:48:59.940 Needs to

00:49:00.660 Show that

00:49:01.580 He's consistent

00:49:02.460 On his

00:49:03.200 Principles

00:49:03.860 But is he

00:49:04.740 Going to flip

00:49:05.200 For sure

00:49:05.660 He's folded

00:49:06.260 Like a cheap

00:49:06.840 Suit in the

00:49:07.320 Past

00:49:07.640 And he's

00:49:07.980 Going to

00:49:08.400 Again

00:49:08.720 And it's

00:49:09.380 Going to

00:49:09.600 Push the

00:49:09.980 Election

00:49:10.340 To the

00:49:10.780 Fall

00:49:11.040 I don't

00:49:11.720 Believe that

00:49:12.200 We're going

00:49:12.640 To have

00:49:12.900 An election

00:49:13.300 In the

00:49:13.600 Spring

00:49:13.860 And you

00:49:14.460 Know I

00:49:14.700 Just keep

00:49:15.140 Going to

00:49:15.480 That number

00:49:15.940 77%

00:49:17.180 Of Canadians

00:49:17.940 Want an

00:49:18.460 Election

00:49:18.820 Yesterday

00:49:19.540 And so

00:49:20.440 The farther

00:49:20.960 This goes

00:49:21.520 The farther

00:49:21.940 Can is

00:49:22.380 Kicked down

00:49:22.820 The field

00:49:23.460 The more

00:49:24.120 Anger is

00:49:24.820 Going to

00:49:25.080 Build up

00:49:25.540 In the

00:49:25.780 Electorate

00:49:26.240 And they're

00:49:26.500 Going to

00:49:26.780 Direct it

00:49:28.320 At the

00:49:28.640 Two parties

00:49:29.220 That evidently

00:49:30.520 Want to keep

00:49:31.020 People away

00:49:31.640 From the

00:49:31.920 Ballot box

00:49:32.420 That's just

00:49:32.700 My humble

00:49:33.100 Opinion

00:49:33.480 I just

00:49:34.020 Don't

00:49:34.300 Think

00:49:34.480 The longer

00:49:35.200 They wait

00:49:35.680 The worse

00:49:36.080 It is

00:49:36.340 For them

00:49:36.780 But that's

00:49:37.600 Just my

00:49:37.940 Humble

00:49:38.220 Opinion

00:49:38.540 Anyone want

00:49:38.980 To weigh

00:49:39.200 In on

00:49:39.480 That thought

00:49:39.940 I think

00:49:41.640 You're right

00:49:42.080 Ben

00:49:42.340 But let's

00:49:42.800 Not tell

00:49:43.180 Anybody

00:49:43.500 That

00:49:43.880 I have

00:49:46.660 A bit

00:49:46.880 Of a

00:49:47.080 Bias

00:49:47.460 Here

00:49:47.660 But I

00:49:47.900 Think

00:49:48.080 You're

00:49:48.280 Right

00:49:48.500 Absolutely

00:49:49.260 And that

00:49:49.560 Was my

00:49:49.860 Point

00:49:50.180 If again

00:49:51.680 If Singh

00:49:52.040 Is smart

00:49:52.540 He takes

00:49:53.760 Them down

00:49:54.120 As soon

00:49:54.420 As possible

00:49:55.100 Or sorry

00:49:56.540 The other

00:49:56.940 Way around

00:49:57.380 He's going

00:49:57.760 To

00:49:57.880 He'll try

00:49:58.480 To keep

00:49:58.820 It going

00:49:59.120 And I

00:49:59.480 Think that

00:50:00.380 Actually that

00:50:01.460 Could help

00:50:01.800 The conservatives

00:50:02.400 Adam let's

00:50:03.320 Talk

00:50:03.540 Terrifully

00:50:04.160 Spending

00:50:04.700 I get

00:50:06.960 It

00:50:07.080 I get

00:50:07.500 The desire

00:50:08.520 I get

00:50:08.840 The motivation

00:50:10.000 Behind it

00:50:10.420 But do we

00:50:11.260 Really want

00:50:11.960 To take

00:50:12.200 The same

00:50:12.540 Approach

00:50:13.060 We did

00:50:13.740 During covid

00:50:14.440 And just

00:50:14.800 Start pumping

00:50:15.380 Money out

00:50:16.400 I mean

00:50:17.100 It's not

00:50:17.940 The same

00:50:18.360 Situation

00:50:18.980 We spent

00:50:21.460 Like drunken

00:50:22.020 Sailors

00:50:22.500 With no

00:50:23.140 Guardrails

00:50:23.900 And we

00:50:24.420 Are certainly

00:50:24.820 Not in

00:50:25.220 The same

00:50:25.640 Fiscal

00:50:26.120 Position

00:50:26.600 As a

00:50:27.000 Nation

00:50:27.340 Today

00:50:27.780 As we

00:50:28.280 Were prior

00:50:28.740 To covid

00:50:29.220 I think

00:50:31.360 That monumental

00:50:31.900 Spending

00:50:32.400 Would have

00:50:32.640 Been justified

00:50:33.120 Under a

00:50:33.840 Different

00:50:34.120 Government

00:50:34.480 But our

00:50:35.140 Current

00:50:35.400 Government

00:50:35.660 Has illustrated

00:50:36.420 Time and

00:50:36.860 Time again

00:50:37.300 That it

00:50:37.780 Doesn't have

00:50:38.280 A sense

00:50:38.680 Of fiscal

00:50:39.060 Reality

00:50:39.560 And we

00:50:40.440 Saw that

00:50:41.020 With the

00:50:41.560 Aborted

00:50:42.000 Budget

00:50:42.340 From december

00:50:43.080 You know

00:50:43.540 Which showed

00:50:43.960 A 60

00:50:44.380 Billion

00:50:44.780 Deficit

00:50:45.640 And with

00:50:46.540 christia freeland

00:50:47.240 Resigning

00:50:47.840 And you know

00:50:49.220 Writing a public

00:50:49.740 Letter where she

00:50:50.340 Essentially accused

00:50:51.300 Trudeau of

00:50:52.760 Prioritizing cheap

00:50:54.580 Political gimmicks

00:50:55.400 Over the country's

00:50:56.620 Financial health

00:50:57.500 And given

00:50:59.440 Given all of the

00:50:59.880 Wasteful spending

00:51:00.440 That we

00:51:00.820 Saw

00:51:01.280 Under covid

00:51:02.080 Which was

00:51:03.480 Really

00:51:03.920 Astonishing

00:51:04.960 I mean

00:51:05.280 Just

00:51:05.440 Fire

00:51:06.420 Hosing

00:51:06.780 Money

00:51:07.200 With no

00:51:08.240 Thought at

00:51:10.260 All for the

00:51:10.720 Inflationary

00:51:11.240 Effects of

00:51:11.660 That

00:51:11.860 I would

00:51:12.840 Be

00:51:13.300 Skeptical

00:51:14.340 Of any

00:51:14.920 Major

00:51:15.240 Stimulus

00:51:15.640 Packages

00:51:16.080 Coming up

00:51:16.580 This spring

00:51:17.000 Warren

00:51:18.240 I don't

00:51:19.660 Trust

00:51:20.100 A government

00:51:20.980 Addicted

00:51:21.540 To spending

00:51:22.180 To enact

00:51:24.060 Something like

00:51:24.580 This responsibly

00:51:25.420 Like I would

00:51:26.340 Have trusted

00:51:27.420 Your boss

00:51:28.240 Jean Chrétien

00:51:29.180 To do

00:51:29.700 Something like

00:51:30.200 This

00:51:30.440 Because he

00:51:31.080 Showed

00:51:31.460 Discipline

00:51:32.000 In the face

00:51:32.480 Of really

00:51:32.900 Tough

00:51:33.220 Financial times

00:51:34.420 And I

00:51:35.500 Would trust

00:51:35.880 Pierre

00:51:36.340 Polyev

00:51:36.800 Who's

00:51:37.020 Allergic

00:51:37.440 To this

00:51:37.760 Sort of

00:51:38.020 Spending

00:51:38.400 Because he

00:51:39.080 Would do

00:51:39.380 It

00:51:39.560 And hold

00:51:40.400 His nose

00:51:40.780 Doing it

00:51:41.260 I would

00:51:42.300 Be very

00:51:43.000 Worried

00:51:43.400 For this

00:51:43.720 Country

00:51:44.040 If

00:51:44.400 This

00:51:45.360 Current

00:51:45.700 Incarnation

00:51:46.260 Of the

00:51:46.500 Liberals

00:51:46.880 Were given

00:51:47.520 License

00:51:48.020 To just

00:51:48.420 Print

00:51:48.700 Money

00:51:49.040 Yeah

00:51:50.500 But you

00:51:51.460 Know

00:51:51.560 And like

00:51:51.920 Ben

00:51:52.300 You know

00:51:52.760 I don't

00:51:53.900 Spend a lot

00:51:54.480 Of time

00:51:54.840 Defending

00:51:55.360 Justin

00:51:55.920 Trudeau

00:51:56.380 Ever

00:51:56.680 But you

00:51:59.080 Know

00:51:59.180 We've got

00:51:59.540 Doug Ford

00:52:00.080 Standing up

00:52:00.900 Saying something

00:52:01.620 Politicians

00:52:02.320 Don't like

00:52:02.800 To say

00:52:03.340 Two weeks

00:52:04.400 Ago

00:52:04.740 Which is

00:52:05.480 Half a

00:52:06.200 Million

00:52:06.380 People in

00:52:07.080 Ontario

00:52:07.500 Are going

00:52:07.800 To lose

00:52:08.100 Their

00:52:08.320 Livelihood

00:52:08.840 Okay

00:52:09.960 Politicians

00:52:11.000 Don't like

00:52:11.620 Saying stuff

00:52:12.340 Like that

00:52:12.880 Because it

00:52:13.960 Creates an

00:52:14.400 Expectation

00:52:15.060 That the

00:52:15.360 Politician

00:52:15.900 Is going

00:52:16.160 To help

00:52:16.420 Them out

00:52:16.840 And so

00:52:18.080 Like you

00:52:19.480 Know

00:52:19.700 All of us

00:52:20.800 Have

00:52:21.020 Bubs

00:52:21.400 On this

00:52:21.800 Panel

00:52:22.180 Like

00:52:23.020 Somebody

00:52:23.420 Who's

00:52:23.800 Living in

00:52:24.240 Aurora

00:52:24.480 Right now

00:52:25.000 And works

00:52:25.340 In the

00:52:25.580 Auto

00:52:25.800 Parts

00:52:26.180 Industry

00:52:26.620 Whose

00:52:27.620 Spouse

00:52:28.380 Is saying

00:52:28.800 To them

00:52:29.140 Oh my

00:52:29.500 God

00:52:29.740 What's

00:52:30.080 Going to

00:52:30.320 Happen

00:52:30.740 To us

00:52:31.300 Like they're

00:52:32.860 Going to

00:52:33.040 Lose their

00:52:33.460 Jobs

00:52:33.940 Yeah

00:52:34.260 They're

00:52:34.560 Going to

00:52:34.760 Lose

00:52:35.040 Their

00:52:35.280 House

00:52:35.680 They're

00:52:36.420 Going to

00:52:36.620 Lose

00:52:36.920 Everything

00:52:37.440 And you

00:52:38.980 Know

00:52:39.220 You know

00:52:40.160 Stephen

00:52:40.500 Harper

00:52:40.960 He got

00:52:42.040 Accused

00:52:42.500 Of spending

00:52:42.900 Like a

00:52:43.240 Drunken

00:52:43.540 Sailor

00:52:44.000 During the

00:52:44.380 Global

00:52:44.680 Fiscal

00:52:45.160 Crisis

00:52:45.580 In 2008

00:52:46.340 2009

00:52:46.960 And I

00:52:47.900 Defended

00:52:48.400 Him

00:52:48.820 And even

00:52:49.360 Though I'm

00:52:49.660 A liberal

00:52:50.060 Because what

00:52:50.920 He did

00:52:51.300 Was the

00:52:51.620 Right

00:52:51.860 Thing

00:52:52.220 And during

00:52:53.260 The pandemic

00:52:53.820 It was the

00:52:54.380 Same thing

00:52:54.880 We can't

00:52:55.540 Let people

00:52:56.160 Starve to

00:52:57.020 Death

00:52:57.300 On the

00:52:57.940 Street

00:52:58.440 Because we

00:52:59.140 Had millions

00:52:59.560 Of people

00:52:59.960 Lost their

00:53:00.460 Lives

00:53:00.760 During the

00:53:01.640 Pandemic

00:53:02.080 It's the

00:53:02.660 Same thing

00:53:03.180 Here

00:53:03.560 And the

00:53:04.060 People

00:53:04.300 Agree

00:53:04.580 With me

00:53:04.940 Are people

00:53:05.300 Like Stephen

00:53:05.780 Harper

00:53:06.100 And Doug

00:53:06.480 Ford

00:53:06.780 Hey

00:53:07.460 Candice Bergen

00:53:08.040 You represented

00:53:09.040 People who

00:53:10.060 Could lose

00:53:10.520 Their jobs

00:53:11.080 What would

00:53:11.420 You be

00:53:12.320 Doing in

00:53:12.700 This

00:53:12.880 Situation

00:53:13.480 And I'll

00:53:13.900 Give you

00:53:14.120 The last

00:53:14.460 Minute

00:53:14.680 Well I'm

00:53:16.300 Terrified

00:53:16.800 When I

00:53:17.160 Hear

00:53:17.620 Justin

00:53:18.380 Trudeau

00:53:18.820 He said

00:53:19.220 This

00:53:19.420 Morning

00:53:19.700 You know

00:53:20.100 Canadians

00:53:20.520 We have

00:53:20.980 Your back

00:53:21.480 I'm

00:53:21.660 Like oh

00:53:21.980 My gosh

00:53:22.500 Oh that

00:53:23.480 Literally

00:53:23.860 Triggers

00:53:24.320 Me

00:53:24.560 Because

00:53:25.000 We're

00:53:25.760 Still

00:53:25.940 Missing

00:53:26.280 39

00:53:26.880 Billion

00:53:27.540 You know

00:53:28.780 From

00:53:29.080 COVID

00:53:29.480 Spending

00:53:30.760 Canadians

00:53:31.100 Back

00:53:31.560 I'm

00:53:32.800 Very

00:53:33.080 Concerned

00:53:33.600 About

00:53:33.780 Massive

00:53:34.180 Spending

00:53:34.400 But I'll

00:53:34.700 Tell you

00:53:35.000 Another thing

00:53:35.480 I'm

00:53:35.700 Concerned

00:53:36.180 About

00:53:36.440 And I

00:53:37.460 Don't

00:53:37.700 Mean to

00:53:37.980 Be

00:53:38.140 Cynical

00:53:38.620 But it

00:53:39.180 Is in

00:53:39.780 The

00:53:40.120 Interest

00:53:40.740 Of some

00:53:41.420 Of the

00:53:42.000 Current

00:53:42.420 Politicians

00:53:43.180 That are

00:53:44.080 Talking

00:53:45.000 And part

00:53:45.660 Of this

00:53:46.000 For this

00:53:46.680 Crisis

00:53:47.060 To go

00:53:47.500 On

00:53:47.820 That

00:53:48.580 Worry

00:53:48.900 Me

00:53:49.220 Do they

00:53:49.700 Actually

00:53:50.160 Want to

00:53:50.620 Fix

00:53:50.860 The crisis

00:53:51.380 That we're

00:53:51.740 Having

00:53:51.960 With tariff

00:53:52.560 Threats

00:53:53.060 Or do

00:53:53.660 They

00:53:53.820 Want

00:53:54.100 You know

00:53:54.360 Never

00:53:54.600 Let a

00:53:54.940 Good

00:53:55.060 Crisis

00:53:55.420 Go

00:53:55.700 To

00:53:55.900 Away

00:53:56.120 Right

00:53:58.060 So don't

00:53:59.060 Worry

00:53:59.340 We're

00:53:59.620 Here

00:53:59.920 We're

00:54:00.180 Going

00:54:00.260 To save

00:54:00.700 You

00:54:00.920 That has

00:54:01.740 Not

00:54:02.040 Gone

00:54:02.340 Well

00:54:02.620 For Canadians

00:54:03.280 Over the

00:54:03.660 Last 10

00:54:04.140 Years

00:54:04.380 When it

00:54:04.680 Comes to

00:54:05.040 How

00:54:05.280 The

00:54:05.960 Liberals

00:54:06.300 Spend

00:54:06.680 I mean

00:54:07.160 Right now

00:54:07.740 They don't

00:54:08.080 Even know

00:54:08.540 Who are

00:54:09.320 The

00:54:09.500 Liberals

00:54:09.860 We

00:54:10.080 You know

00:54:10.580 They love

00:54:11.040 The carbon

00:54:11.440 Tax

00:54:11.760 For the

00:54:12.000 Last 10

00:54:12.460 Years

00:54:12.660 Now

00:54:12.880 All of a

00:54:13.160 Sudden

00:54:13.340 Nope

00:54:13.560 We're

00:54:13.700 Throwing

00:54:13.900 The

00:54:14.020 Carbon

00:54:14.260 Tax

00:54:14.600 Out

00:54:14.820 We must

00:54:16.500 Have

00:54:16.740 That

00:54:16.980 Agreed

00:54:17.640 Candice

00:54:20.040 Warren

00:54:20.400 Adam

00:54:20.700 Thank you

00:54:21.160 So much

00:54:39.860 Put

00:54:40.180 My

00:54:40.400 Work

00:54:40.760 Shoes

00:54:41.260 On

00:54:42.000 I'm

00:54:42.920 Sick

00:54:43.220 Of

00:54:43.400 Star

00:54:43.760 To

00:54:43.980 Boz

00:54:44.280 The

00:54:44.460 Smoothie

00:54:45.200 Jaws

00:54:45.740 But

00:54:46.060 I'm

00:54:46.280 Saving

00:54:46.880 This

00:54:47.520 Year

00:54:48.040 Trying

00:54:50.080 To

00:54:50.300 Find

00:54:50.860 My

00:54:51.320 Career

00:54:51.960 Oh

00:54:54.120 I'm

00:54:54.560 Not

00:54:54.900 That

00:54:55.400 Young

00:54:55.900 Anymore

00:54:56.860 Oh

00:54:58.120 I'm

00:54:58.600 Not

00:54:58.900 That

00:54:59.420 Young

00:54:59.920 Anymore

00:55:00.800 Oh

00:55:02.180 I'm

00:55:02.620 Not

00:55:03.080 That

00:55:03.500 Young

00:55:04.000 Anymore

00:55:04.900 Oh

00:55:06.180 I'm

00:55:06.660 Not

00:55:07.000 That

00:55:07.540 Young

00:55:08.040 Anymore

00:55:09.040 I

00:55:10.960 Don't

00:55:11.700 Want

00:55:12.080 To

00:55:12.580 Turn

00:55:13.080 The

00:55:13.500 Teeth

00:55:14.000 No

00:55:14.500 I

00:55:15.240 Don't

00:55:15.780 Want

00:55:16.120 To

00:55:16.620 Turn

00:55:17.120 The

00:55:17.520 Teeth

00:55:18.060 No

00:55:18.540 I

00:55:19.240 Don't

00:55:19.800 Want

00:55:20.180 To

00:55:20.520 Turn

00:55:21.160 The

00:55:21.520 Teeth

00:55:22.060 No

00:55:22.540 I

00:55:27.200 Don't

00:55:27.800 Know

00:55:28.260 How

00:55:28.620 To

00:55:28.800 Pay

00:55:29.060 My

00:55:29.380 Own

00:55:29.820 Bill

00:55:30.340 I

00:55:31.380 Don't

00:55:31.820 Know

00:55:32.380 How

00:55:32.680 It

00:55:32.900 Feels

00:55:33.160 To

00:55:33.340 Take

00:55:33.900 Those

00:55:34.160 Cause

00:55:34.440 I'm

00:55:34.620 Staying

00:55:35.660 Clean

00:55:36.660 Trying

00:55:38.460 To

00:55:38.660 Protect

00:55:39.320 My

00:55:39.820 Dream

00:55:41.200 Egyptian

00:55:43.780 Painted

00:55:44.340 On

00:55:44.760 My

00:55:44.940 Carpet

00:55:45.480 Door

00:55:46.300 Oh

00:55:47.500 You

00:55:47.740 The

00:55:47.920 Boy

00:55:48.360 Just

00:55:48.760 Became

00:55:49.280 A

00:55:49.580 War

00:55:49.840 Store

00:55:50.320 And

00:55:50.680 Maybe

00:55:51.400 He

00:55:51.580 Can

00:55:52.060 Help

00:55:53.120 To

00:55:54.580 Turn

00:55:55.500 Back

00:55:55.840 Time

00:55:57.620 Oh

00:55:58.740 I'm

00:55:59.080 Not

00:55:59.460 That

00:55:59.960 Young

00:56:00.440 Anymore

00:56:01.580 Oh

00:56:02.700 I'm

00:56:03.140 Not

00:56:03.640 That

00:56:03.980 Young

00:56:04.480 Anymore

00:56:05.140 Oh

00:56:06.140 I'm

00:56:07.140 Not

00:56:07.480 That

00:56:07.980 Young

00:56:08.480 Anymore

00:56:09.980 Oh

00:56:10.980 I'm

00:56:11.180 Not

00:56:11.640 That

00:56:12.140 Young

00:56:12.560 Anymore

00:56:13.980 I

00:56:15.820 Don't

00:56:16.380 Want

00:56:16.680 Turn

00:56:17.620 The

00:56:18.060 Teeth

00:56:18.520 No

00:56:19.060 I

00:56:20.060 Don't

00:56:20.320 Want

00:56:20.720 To

00:56:21.260 Turn

00:56:21.720 The

00:56:22.060 Teeth

00:56:22.520 No

00:56:23.220 I

00:56:24.060 Don't

00:56:24.400 Want

00:56:24.760 To

00:56:25.260 Turn

00:56:25.760 The

00:56:26.060 Teeth

00:56:26.720 No

00:56:27.260 Oh

00:56:31.260 We

00:56:31.640 Can

00:56:32.060 Down

00:56:32.960 Chicago

00:56:33.860 Drows

00:56:34.960 It's

00:56:35.420 Time

00:56:35.960 To

00:56:36.340 Get

00:56:36.760 Back

00:56:37.960 I

00:56:55.980 Don't

00:56:56.620 Want

00:56:56.980 To

00:56:57.780 Turn

00:56:58.060 19

00:56:58.860 No

00:56:59.560 I

00:57:00.060 Don't

00:57:00.560 Want

00:57:01.060 Turn

00:57:01.960 To

00:57:02.060 The

00:57:02.360 Teeth

00:57:02.900 No

00:57:03.420 I

00:57:04.140 Don't

00:57:04.680 Want

00:57:05.060 To

00:57:05.820 The

00:57:06.380 Teeth

00:57:06.960 No

00:57:07.440 I

00:57:08.180 Don't

00:57:08.720 Want

00:57:09.100 To

00:57:09.880 The

00:57:10.460 Teeth

00:57:11.000 No

00:57:11.460 We

00:57:16.000 are living

00:57:16.620 in a time

00:57:17.380 where

00:57:17.720 Canada

00:57:18.460 US

00:57:18.780 relations

00:57:19.260 are

00:57:19.780 at a

00:57:20.520 low

00:57:20.700 point

00:57:20.960 to say

00:57:21.380 the least

00:57:22.020 wasn't

00:57:22.640 always

00:57:22.960 the case

00:57:23.500 and so

00:57:24.220 we're

00:57:24.380 going to

00:57:24.540 turn

00:57:24.720 back

00:57:24.960 the

00:57:25.140 clock

00:57:25.480 with

00:57:26.160 somebody

00:57:26.560 who

00:57:26.860 remembers

00:57:27.200 a

00:57:27.360 time

00:57:27.620 and

00:57:27.740 who

00:57:27.840 helps

00:57:28.020 shape

00:57:28.400 a

00:57:28.560 time

00:57:28.880 where

00:57:29.620 Canada

00:57:30.060 US

00:57:30.360 relations

00:57:30.920 were

00:57:31.240 in a

00:57:31.720 golden

00:57:32.380 age

00:57:32.780 please

00:57:33.280 welcome

00:57:33.780 to the

00:57:34.000 Ben

00:57:34.140 Mulroney

00:57:34.400 show

00:57:34.600 Derek

00:57:34.920 Burney

00:57:35.260 former

00:57:35.820 Canadian

00:57:36.140 ambassador

00:57:36.560 to the

00:57:36.900 United

00:57:37.080 States

00:57:37.420 from

00:57:37.640 1989

00:57:38.100 to

00:57:38.400 1993

00:57:38.900 he

00:57:39.780 led

00:57:39.940 the

00:57:40.060 Canadian

00:57:40.300 delegation

00:57:40.840 in concluding

00:57:41.480 negotiations

00:57:42.060 for the

00:57:42.480 Canada

00:57:42.800 US

00:57:43.200 free trade

00:57:43.800 agreement

00:57:44.100 and he

00:57:44.740 was a

00:57:45.040 trusted

00:57:45.340 advisor

00:57:45.800 and friend

00:57:46.400 to the

00:57:47.080 late

00:57:47.340 the

00:57:47.640 great

00:57:47.980 the

00:57:48.240 wonderful

00:57:48.600 dad

00:57:49.580 Brian

00:57:50.180 Mulroney

00:57:50.480 Mr.

00:57:51.340 Bernie

00:57:51.580 welcome

00:57:51.800 to the

00:57:52.000 show

00:57:52.180 thank

00:57:53.700 you very

00:57:53.960 much

00:57:54.180 Ben

00:57:54.440 good to

00:57:54.700 be

00:57:54.780 with

00:57:55.020 you

00:57:55.200 I

00:57:55.660 want

00:57:55.880 to

00:57:56.020 turn

00:57:56.660 your

00:57:56.840 ear

00:57:57.040 to

00:57:57.180 a

00:57:57.300 conversation

00:57:57.760 I

00:57:58.120 just

00:57:58.520 had

00:57:58.940 on

00:57:59.560 the

00:57:59.720 show

00:57:59.940 with

00:58:00.120 Warren

00:58:00.420 Kinsella

00:58:00.960 and

00:58:01.600 here

00:58:01.840 was

00:58:02.020 his

00:58:02.300 assessment

00:58:02.780 of

00:58:03.460 what's

00:58:03.700 going

00:58:03.900 on

00:58:04.140 right

00:58:04.320 now

00:58:04.580 with

00:58:04.720 Donald

00:58:04.920 Trump

00:58:05.160 but

00:58:05.680 just

00:58:05.900 like

00:58:06.200 I

00:58:06.480 am

00:58:06.620 so

00:58:06.900 fed

00:58:07.220 up

00:58:07.400 hearing

00:58:07.760 about

00:58:08.220 his

00:58:08.800 BS

00:58:09.480 about

00:58:09.860 fentanyl

00:58:10.520 and

00:58:10.920 the

00:58:11.060 border

00:58:11.480 he

00:58:12.620 said

00:58:13.120 those

00:58:13.480 things

00:58:14.000 as

00:58:14.660 an

00:58:14.840 excuse

00:58:15.360 to

00:58:16.000 get

00:58:16.220 himself

00:58:16.700 out

00:58:17.080 of

00:58:17.180 the

00:58:17.320 terms

00:58:17.740 of

00:58:17.980 the

00:58:18.140 trade

00:58:18.420 agreement

00:58:18.860 he

00:58:19.500 signed

00:58:19.980 himself

00:58:20.600 with

00:58:21.040 us

00:58:21.480 the

00:58:21.980 USMCA

00:58:22.820 he

00:58:23.700 could

00:58:23.920 not

00:58:24.180 get

00:58:24.400 himself

00:58:24.880 out of

00:58:25.300 the

00:58:25.440 terms

00:58:25.860 of

00:58:26.060 that

00:58:26.240 agreement

00:58:26.720 without

00:58:27.620 concocting

00:58:28.540 so-called

00:58:29.200 national

00:58:29.700 emergencies

00:58:30.280 which is

00:58:31.260 fentanyl

00:58:31.840 and illegal

00:58:32.800 aliens

00:58:33.240 and all

00:58:33.820 of us

00:58:34.160 know

00:58:34.480 anybody

00:58:35.060 with a

00:58:35.620 brain

00:58:35.960 knows

00:58:36.520 that

00:58:37.160 fentanyl

00:58:37.820 and

00:58:38.100 illegal

00:58:38.440 aliens

00:58:39.100 overwhelmingly

00:58:40.240 come from

00:58:41.020 the south

00:58:41.540 into the

00:58:42.160 United

00:58:42.420 States

00:58:42.920 not from

00:58:43.720 the north

00:58:44.220 so it's

00:58:45.140 all bogus

00:58:46.120 so what

00:58:47.240 do you

00:58:47.400 what do

00:58:47.880 you think

00:58:48.180 Mr.

00:58:48.460 Ambassador

00:58:48.820 well I

00:58:50.260 agree with

00:58:50.860 Warren

00:58:51.180 entirely

00:58:51.920 I mean

00:58:52.760 it's

00:58:52.980 absurd

00:58:53.460 to

00:58:54.180 compare

00:58:54.500 the

00:58:54.720 problems

00:58:55.160 on the

00:58:55.520 northern

00:58:55.780 border

00:58:56.180 which

00:58:57.320 there

00:58:57.660 are

00:58:57.820 some

00:58:58.180 with

00:58:58.900 those

00:58:59.280 on the

00:59:00.140 southern

00:59:00.380 border

00:59:00.700 I mean

00:59:00.960 given how

00:59:01.620 Trump is

00:59:02.240 reacting to

00:59:02.920 the southern

00:59:03.280 border

00:59:03.620 sending

00:59:04.240 troops in

00:59:04.960 and the

00:59:05.500 whole bunch

00:59:06.020 it's

00:59:06.620 absolutely

00:59:07.240 absurd

00:59:07.900 to make

00:59:08.260 the

00:59:08.400 comparison

00:59:08.960 his

00:59:09.800 threat

00:59:10.160 of

00:59:10.340 tariffs

00:59:10.760 against

00:59:11.160 Canada

00:59:11.620 are

00:59:12.280 unsubstantiated

00:59:13.480 completely

00:59:14.040 unsubstantiated

00:59:16.200 unwarranted

00:59:17.280 and probably

00:59:18.000 illegal

00:59:18.820 as Warren

00:59:19.800 said

00:59:20.200 Trump

00:59:21.020 signed

00:59:21.600 an

00:59:21.800 agreement

00:59:22.160 that was

00:59:23.560 passed

00:59:23.900 by Congress

00:59:24.600 and our

00:59:25.280 Parliament

00:59:25.720 and this

00:59:26.840 action

00:59:27.340 would violate

00:59:28.240 the basic

00:59:28.860 terms of

00:59:29.560 that agreement

00:59:30.080 as well as

00:59:30.580 any other

00:59:31.120 international trade

00:59:32.480 agreement that I

00:59:33.120 can think of

00:59:33.860 it's absolutely

00:59:35.140 absurd

00:59:35.960 shouldn't

00:59:57.920 you like

00:59:58.420 cheap wine

00:59:59.300 to

00:59:59.440 my

00:59:59.740 channel

01:00:00.100 nine

01:00:00.640 your

01:00:00.960 60 minutes

01:00:01.640 never felt

01:00:02.260 so

01:00:02.660 damn right

01:00:03.380 Cause I know the rules, the game, are working against me

01:00:07.260 Days one, two, three, staring at me

01:00:11.420 As I stare at my phone and start pondering

01:00:13.940 How bad it would be to just be me

01:00:17.620 It'd be harder than I should suffer

01:00:21.760 Cause we can always say that to be a good lover

01:00:24.980 I have to understand

01:00:27.080 But love is bell dreams

01:00:30.180 Bell dreams

01:00:33.040 If you knew me, it would be easier to see

01:00:48.680 That I'm a product of anxiety

01:00:52.520 But I count to three and remember to breathe

01:00:57.480 As I stare at my face and start pondering some words

01:01:01.160 To make you love me

01:01:04.200 And that's all that I keep lost on

01:01:08.120 Cause don't consider saying that to be a good lover

01:01:11.080 I have to show you this girl

01:01:13.140 That I have empathy

01:01:15.880 And I know that I should suffer

01:01:29.080 Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da

01:01:36.820 But I'm not far

01:01:39.840 Better than I should suffer

01:01:43.320 Cause Dr. Phil is saying that to be a good lover

01:01:46.600 I have to understand

01:01:48.760 Lovers boundaries

01:02:06.820 Do you like to cry to my travel mind?

01:02:17.280 Cause you see me just never felt so damn right

01:02:19.640 Cause I know the rules of the game are working against me

01:02:23.980 Days one, two, three staring at me

01:02:27.760 As I stare at my front set for me to read

01:02:30.440 How bad it's been pretty to just be me

01:02:36.820 And we're back, and we're back on a difficult day

01:02:40.140 And a difficult weekend

01:02:41.200 As everybody knows

01:02:43.740 Donald Trump has launched a trade war with Canada

01:02:48.200 He's imposed a 25% tariff on all goods

01:02:52.460 Entering the United States

01:02:54.320 With the exception of energy products

01:02:56.640 Which is at 10%

01:02:58.880 And Mexico's been hit with the same level of tariffs

01:03:03.900 Tariffs are basically a tax on products

01:03:06.860 China, tellingly, has been hit by 10%

01:03:11.520 So we're being treated worse than China is

01:03:15.420 By the United States

01:03:17.340 Formerly our ally and trading partner

01:03:21.020 The economists are crunching all of this stuff now

01:03:24.680 The Prime Minister has yet to speak

01:03:26.860 He's going to be doing that on Sunday evening

01:03:30.320 But I wanted to speak to John Mraz

01:03:32.740 About something we didn't need to wait for

01:03:34.740 Which is the political consequences of all of this

01:03:38.080 Because we've got elections underway

01:03:40.020 We've got leadership races underway

01:03:42.060 We've got politics moving quickly

01:03:46.240 As it does at all times

01:03:47.880 So there was really four things

01:03:50.600 I wanted to get at with you, John

01:03:52.360 The first being

01:03:54.260 What is the impact of this

01:03:57.500 Historically stupid decision

01:04:00.580 On the coming federal election

01:04:03.440 I don't know

01:04:06.560 All politics are local right now

01:04:08.560 It doesn't matter which party wins

01:04:12.400 Because Donald Trump cares not

01:04:15.060 Right now I haven't seen the numbers change

01:04:18.300 It still looks like he's winning

01:04:20.540 The next federal election

01:04:21.760 We'll see what he says today

01:04:23.300 I think Donald Trump is looking

01:04:27.300 Not at our federal election

01:04:29.120 He's looking at Canada

01:04:30.060 He's looking for a politician

01:04:31.420 Who is prepared to lick his ass

01:04:34.940 He is looking for a politician

01:04:36.180 Who's prepared to say

01:04:37.060 We want to become part of your union

01:04:38.860 He's looking for a partnering crime

01:04:40.960 And until he finds one

01:04:43.420 He will punish us

01:04:44.620 Second question then

01:04:47.060 The provincial election

01:04:49.440 In Ontario is underway

01:04:50.820 The writ was dropped

01:04:52.780 Earlier this week

01:04:54.600 Doug Ford

01:04:55.940 According to a poll released last night

01:04:59.380 By Ipsos I believe

01:05:01.680 Showed him at 50% support

01:05:04.420 More than double that of the NDP

01:05:06.440 Or the Ontario Liberals

01:05:09.320 So that's the biggest lead

01:05:11.320 In Ontario electoral history

01:05:14.280 Since they've been measuring opinion

01:05:17.040 During an elections

01:05:18.900 And a lot of people

01:05:22.640 Me included

01:05:23.300 Think the reason for that

01:05:24.780 Is Doug Ford

01:05:26.680 Has assumed the mantle

01:05:27.740 Of Captain Canada

01:05:28.880 And has come out

01:05:30.380 Against Donald Trump

01:05:32.120 More strongly

01:05:32.980 Than any other politician

01:05:34.300 Do you agree?

01:05:36.460 Maybe it's that

01:05:37.580 Maybe it's that

01:05:38.500 There's a tradition

01:05:39.260 That in Ontario

01:05:40.340 We generally have

01:05:41.560 An opposite government

01:05:43.060 To the federal government

01:05:44.100 And he knows

01:05:44.700 Pierre Paulyard is coming

01:05:45.920 And so Ontario

01:05:46.840 Historically

01:05:47.640 Have always balanced

01:05:48.380 That shit out

01:05:49.140 Or maybe

01:05:50.220 It's that

01:05:51.860 He wanted to close

01:05:52.680 The legislature

01:05:53.480 And close some

01:05:55.500 Of the turmoil

01:05:56.980 That has attended

01:05:57.800 His governance

01:05:58.640 Or maybe

01:05:59.320 It's all three

01:06:00.120 Well he seems to be

01:06:02.920 Whatever the

01:06:03.820 Motivation

01:06:04.860 He's made the ballot

01:06:06.220 Question

01:06:06.820 Donald Trump

01:06:07.960 Hasn't he?

01:06:08.700 And it seems to be

01:06:09.460 Working for him

01:06:10.240 Yeah there's no question

01:06:12.640 That failing

01:06:13.980 I'm going to quote

01:06:14.620 Carville here

01:06:15.340 Him being caught

01:06:16.180 With a dead black boy

01:06:18.100 Or a live white girl

01:06:19.080 He'll win this election

01:06:20.060 With a majority

01:06:20.740 I just think

01:06:21.480 It's an unnecessary

01:06:22.200 Election

01:06:22.780 Okay liberal leadership

01:06:25.020 Race

01:06:25.580 That is necessary

01:06:27.720 Because it was necessary

01:06:28.820 That Mr. Trudeau

01:06:30.800 Take his walk

01:06:31.600 In the snow

01:06:32.160 So that is underway

01:06:34.980 You had been involved

01:06:36.780 In a leadership campaign

01:06:38.720 I don't think you are now

01:06:40.000 But you can talk about

01:06:40.840 That if you want

01:06:41.680 What is the impact

01:06:43.420 Of Trump

01:06:44.200 And his tariffs

01:06:45.540 On the liberal

01:06:46.520 Leadership race

01:06:47.320 We've got

01:06:47.800 Carney

01:06:48.300 And Freeland

01:06:49.460 Have both come out

01:06:50.540 Against Trump

01:06:51.520 And his decision

01:06:52.780 Freeland

01:06:53.880 Much more aggressively

01:06:55.460 Than Carney

01:06:56.300 From what I can see

01:06:57.460 Does this lift

01:06:59.620 All liberal boats

01:07:00.920 Does the

01:07:01.800 Trump fight

01:07:02.880 Help the liberal party

01:07:04.540 And help

01:07:05.240 Whoever becomes

01:07:06.500 Leader

01:07:06.940 Of the liberal party

01:07:08.120 Not if people

01:07:10.740 Are starving

01:07:11.580 In the streets

01:07:12.400 And I don't know

01:07:14.940 Because I'm not

01:07:15.560 An economist

01:07:16.020 And we spoke

01:07:16.980 Before we did this

01:07:18.020 I'm not an economist

01:07:19.260 I don't know

01:07:20.000 What the direct impact

01:07:21.080 Will be

01:07:21.580 On our pocketbooks

01:07:22.820 As a result

01:07:23.800 Of this trade war

01:07:24.680 But I do know

01:07:26.080 That Canadians

01:07:26.620 Are not probably

01:07:27.860 On the whole

01:07:28.440 Paying attention

01:07:29.200 To the liberal

01:07:30.440 Leadership race

01:07:31.400 Nor do they

01:07:32.140 Seemingly

01:07:32.940 Have any faith

01:07:33.660 In our current

01:07:34.460 Prime minister

01:07:35.060 Who's going to

01:07:35.620 Speak in a few hours

01:07:36.720 What can he say

01:07:37.960 Nor do they

01:07:38.940 Seem to have

01:07:39.380 Any faith

01:07:39.820 In Gary Paul

01:07:40.540 Yeah

01:07:40.700 But right now

01:07:41.340 They're worried

01:07:42.100 In recessive times

01:07:44.240 That it's going

01:07:45.440 To get worse

01:07:46.140 And that groceries

01:07:47.020 Are going to be

01:07:47.480 More expensive

01:07:48.260 Rents will not

01:07:49.540 Be paid

01:07:50.080 I don't think

01:07:51.640 Anybody

01:07:52.360 Has punched through

01:07:53.400 In that

01:07:55.520 Leadership race

01:07:56.340 In any meaningful

01:07:57.360 Way

01:07:57.800 With all their

01:07:58.560 Education

01:07:59.080 And their capacity

01:07:59.900 All of them

01:08:00.580 I don't think

01:08:01.220 Anybody has gotten

01:08:02.320 Donald Trump's

01:08:03.000 Attention

01:08:03.320 And that's what

01:08:03.960 You need

01:08:04.280 Well Freeland

01:08:05.920 Has tried

01:08:06.580 I mean

01:08:06.960 When she

01:08:08.140 Announced she

01:08:08.920 Was quitting

01:08:09.440 Cabinet

01:08:10.000 And she

01:08:10.660 Launched her

01:08:11.200 Attack on

01:08:11.940 Trudeau

01:08:12.700 A well

01:08:13.520 Well deserved

01:08:14.480 Attack

01:08:15.020 Trump

01:08:16.300 Went after her

01:08:17.620 And called her

01:08:18.780 Nasty

01:08:19.280 And all the

01:08:19.840 Things that he

01:08:20.380 Normally does

01:08:21.220 About women

01:08:22.380 Who challenge

01:08:23.380 Him

01:08:23.760 So I think

01:08:24.880 That helped

01:08:25.480 Her

01:08:25.800 She's leaned

01:08:27.380 Into that

01:08:28.220 Since she

01:08:29.680 Left Trudeau's

01:08:30.540 Cabinet

01:08:30.940 But it

01:08:31.860 Hasn't

01:08:32.280 Seemed to

01:08:32.940 Have increased

01:08:33.540 Her popularity

01:08:34.440 With the people

01:08:35.080 Who are going

01:08:35.400 To be voting

01:08:35.800 For the next

01:08:36.380 Liberal leader

01:08:37.000 Why is that

01:08:38.200 So I guess

01:08:40.020 The question

01:08:40.420 Is why

01:08:41.220 Is being

01:08:41.800 Against

01:08:42.160 Trump

01:08:42.500 Working for

01:08:43.220 Doug Ford

01:08:43.840 But not

01:08:44.840 Working for

01:08:45.440 Christopher

01:08:45.820 Freeland

01:08:46.180 I'm not sure

01:08:47.700 That Doug Ford's

01:08:49.120 Popularity is

01:08:50.340 Figurately anchored

01:08:51.660 To his

01:08:52.960 Opposition to

01:08:53.920 Trump

01:08:54.220 He's got

01:08:54.980 Great populist

01:08:55.900 Lines

01:08:56.320 He genuinely

01:08:57.660 Means it

01:08:58.160 When he says

01:08:58.600 We'll fight

01:08:59.100 Back

01:08:59.560 But Doug Ford

01:09:00.960 Has become

01:09:01.520 One of the

01:09:01.940 Only dependable

01:09:02.760 Political brands

01:09:03.800 Who rough

01:09:04.480 Around the

01:09:04.820 Edges

01:09:05.160 I was close

01:09:06.420 To telling

01:09:06.840 The truth

01:09:07.300 To voters

01:09:07.820 At this point

01:09:08.540 I think

01:09:09.260 That's where

01:09:09.640 His popularity

01:09:10.120 Lies

01:09:10.700 As to

01:09:11.340 Christopher

01:09:11.600 Freeland

01:09:12.080 I don't

01:09:12.800 Think anybody

01:09:13.420 Believes

01:09:13.920 Anybody

01:09:14.360 Who

01:09:15.000 Worked as

01:09:16.440 A sycophant

01:09:17.080 For our

01:09:17.480 Prime Minister

01:09:18.060 For years

01:09:18.680 And years

01:09:19.060 And then

01:09:19.420 Had a

01:09:19.760 Moment of

01:09:20.260 Conscience

01:09:20.740 Right before

01:09:21.480 Leadership

01:09:21.960 Race

01:09:22.440 She's

01:09:23.660 Very bright

01:09:24.220 She's an

01:09:24.820 Excellent

01:09:25.220 Journalist

01:09:25.880 At the

01:09:26.200 Economist

01:09:26.720 She still

01:09:27.100 Stayed

01:09:27.480 There

01:09:27.700 I don't

01:09:28.560 Think she's

01:09:28.940 A leader

01:09:29.320 And I

01:09:30.120 Think Trump

01:09:30.680 While he

01:09:31.240 Did take a

01:09:31.780 Shot at her

01:09:32.340 There

01:09:33.000 She got

01:09:33.380 That attention

01:09:33.900 A week

01:09:34.800 After that

01:09:35.400 Said I

01:09:36.160 Don't even

01:09:36.540 Know who

01:09:36.940 Pierre

01:09:37.140 Probably

01:09:37.420 Is

01:09:37.860 So I'm

01:09:40.340 Not sure

01:09:40.960 That he

01:09:42.320 Sees any

01:09:43.060 Politician in

01:09:44.140 Canada

01:09:44.540 That being

01:09:45.120 Trump

01:09:45.480 That he

01:09:46.460 Wants to

01:09:46.980 Do business

01:09:47.380 He's a

01:09:47.720 Transactional

01:09:48.480 Guy

01:09:48.800 And we

01:09:49.960 Don't

01:09:50.120 Want to

01:09:50.380 Do trade

01:09:50.800 With him

01:09:51.080 We don't

01:09:51.460 Want to

01:09:51.680 Be the

01:09:51.980 51st

01:09:52.560 State

01:09:52.860 By

01:09:53.360 Huge

01:09:53.880 Overwhelming

01:09:54.440 Majority

01:09:54.980 And we

01:09:55.660 Don't

01:09:55.820 Like him

01:09:56.340 By huge

01:09:56.940 Overwhelming

01:09:57.400 Majority

01:09:57.840 He's

01:09:58.140 Waiting for

01:09:58.540 Someone

01:09:58.860 To bring

01:09:59.820 Us to

01:10:00.260 him

01:10:00.460 So I

01:10:01.700 Think all

01:10:02.120 Of these

01:10:02.440 People

01:10:02.800 Are

01:10:03.720 Little

01:10:05.340 Little

01:10:05.820 Micro dust

01:10:06.980 In a

01:10:07.860 Much larger

01:10:08.640 Galaxy

01:10:09.220 In a

01:10:10.600 New

01:10:10.780 Global

01:10:11.200 Trade

01:10:11.560 War

01:10:11.860 Run by

01:10:12.600 A guy

01:10:13.080 Who wants

01:10:13.900 An

01:10:14.080 American

01:10:14.560 Empire

01:10:15.100 Manifest

01:10:15.960 Destiny

01:10:16.420 And all

01:10:17.060 He can

01:10:17.360 Take

01:10:17.700 Well speaking

01:10:19.300 Of micro dust

01:10:20.200 And I'm

01:10:20.580 Loathe to

01:10:20.980 Give her

01:10:21.280 Any

01:10:21.460 Publicity

01:10:22.960 Whatsoever

01:10:23.720 Is

01:10:24.500 Ruby

01:10:24.800 Dalla

01:10:25.260 A campaign

01:10:27.320 I believe

01:10:28.060 You were

01:10:28.660 Associated

01:10:29.140 With or

01:10:29.520 Believe you're

01:10:30.000 No longer

01:10:30.440 Associated

01:10:31.000 With

01:10:31.280 Okay so

01:10:33.180 You're not

01:10:33.520 There anymore

01:10:34.380 She is

01:10:35.860 Running a

01:10:37.140 Very glossy

01:10:37.880 Social media

01:10:38.680 Campaign

01:10:39.300 Against

01:10:40.440 Trump

01:10:41.320 And suggesting

01:10:42.400 She's the

01:10:42.920 Best person

01:10:43.540 To deal

01:10:44.360 With trump

01:10:45.020 And

01:10:46.140 You know

01:10:47.980 Kind of

01:10:48.400 Wondering where

01:10:49.160 A lot of

01:10:49.500 The money

01:10:49.800 Is coming

01:10:50.220 From to

01:10:50.680 Do something

01:10:51.180 Like that

01:10:51.780 I don't

01:10:52.300 Know how

01:10:52.580 Terribly

01:10:53.000 Credible

01:10:53.500 It is

01:10:53.860 For the

01:10:54.660 Also

01:10:55.380 Rands

01:10:55.900 Like her

01:10:56.620 Does

01:10:57.520 Taking

01:10:57.940 Swings

01:10:58.400 At trump

01:10:58.920 And the

01:10:59.220 Others

01:10:59.500 Help her

01:11:00.080 Or is it

01:11:00.720 Just

01:11:01.040 Is she

01:11:01.800 Doing this

01:11:02.420 For some

01:11:02.820 Other

01:11:03.020 Purpose

01:11:03.520 I don't

01:11:05.020 Know

01:11:05.260 I don't

01:11:05.780 Know

01:11:06.060 And it's

01:11:06.520 An odd

01:11:06.900 Phenomenon

01:11:07.420 To watch

01:11:08.120 Her effect

01:11:08.900 On social

01:11:09.500 Media

01:11:09.880 Would be

01:11:10.740 To believe

01:11:11.240 That she

01:11:11.660 Was winning

01:11:12.040 This race

01:11:12.680 As you

01:11:13.640 And I

01:11:13.900 Know

01:11:14.120 400,000

01:11:14.940 People signed

01:11:15.560 Up to be

01:11:16.120 Liberal

01:11:16.520 Voters

01:11:17.500 In this

01:11:18.020 Upcoming

01:11:18.540 Race

01:11:19.380 We haven't

01:11:19.980 Seen a list

01:11:20.560 Yet

01:11:20.840 We don't

01:11:21.280 Know who

01:11:21.620 Supports

01:11:22.060 Who

01:11:22.320 But

01:11:23.200 Ruby

01:11:23.440 Dalla

01:11:23.860 And her

01:11:24.420 Team

01:11:24.740 I will

01:11:25.100 Give them

01:11:25.500 This

01:11:25.860 I have

01:11:26.660 Never seen

01:11:27.620 As

01:11:28.060 Sophisticated

01:11:29.220 And expensive

01:11:30.320 A social

01:11:30.900 Media

01:11:31.240 Campaign

01:11:31.820 In

01:11:32.180 Canadian

01:11:32.600 Politics

01:11:33.280 To effect

01:11:34.540 Within two

01:11:35.240 And a half

01:11:35.620 Three weeks

01:11:36.200 With a

01:11:36.780 Marginal

01:11:37.280 Candidate

01:11:37.920 Very interesting

01:11:38.920 To find out

01:11:39.760 Where the

01:11:39.980 Money is

01:11:40.300 Coming from

01:11:40.800 Okay

01:11:41.400 Final thing

01:11:42.220 Which is

01:11:43.420 Perhaps the

01:11:43.860 Most important

01:11:44.480 Thing of

01:11:44.960 All

01:11:45.180 In my

01:11:47.180 Own case

01:11:47.780 Speaking for

01:11:48.380 Myself

01:11:48.840 I've always

01:11:49.380 Loved

01:11:49.640 America

01:11:50.240 Loved

01:11:51.060 Americans

01:11:51.640 I've worked

01:11:52.180 On American

01:11:52.660 Campaigns

01:11:53.460 As you

01:11:53.740 Know

01:11:54.000 I can

01:11:55.960 Still cite

01:11:56.460 The Pledge

01:11:56.920 Of

01:11:57.040 Allegiance

01:11:57.540 From when

01:11:57.860 I lived

01:11:58.160 In Texas

01:11:58.700 You know

01:11:59.200 The whole

01:11:59.540 Bit

01:11:59.860 And I

01:12:00.640 Think most

01:12:01.060 Canadians

01:12:01.700 While we

01:12:02.620 Would

01:12:02.800 Occasionally

01:12:03.280 Have

01:12:03.460 Misgivings

01:12:04.180 About our

01:12:04.580 American

01:12:04.960 Neighbors

01:12:05.540 Had a

01:12:06.600 Feeling of

01:12:08.080 Friendship

01:12:09.660 Or some

01:12:10.420 Kind of

01:12:10.760 Bond

01:12:11.240 With America

01:12:12.500 That feels

01:12:13.640 Like that is

01:12:14.320 Now gone

01:12:15.220 Or going

01:12:16.160 And I

01:12:17.040 Wanted to

01:12:17.380 See what

01:12:17.740 You felt

01:12:18.300 Would be

01:12:18.740 The long

01:12:19.220 Term impact

01:12:20.160 Of all

01:12:20.900 Of this

01:12:21.160 I've got

01:12:21.440 A column

01:12:21.840 Coming out

01:12:22.460 In post

01:12:22.880 Media

01:12:23.160 Later today

01:12:24.120 Saying

01:12:25.100 I went

01:12:25.640 Looking

01:12:25.960 John

01:12:26.320 For hours

01:12:27.120 To find

01:12:28.200 Somebody

01:12:28.800 Who would

01:12:30.360 Defend

01:12:31.280 Canada

01:12:31.860 In the

01:12:32.460 United States

01:12:33.200 And I

01:12:34.140 Couldn't

01:12:34.360 Really find

01:12:34.940 Anybody

01:12:35.400 Elected

01:12:36.100 Or unelected

01:12:37.000 They don't

01:12:37.620 Really seem

01:12:38.160 To care

01:12:38.560 What Trump

01:12:39.100 Is doing

01:12:39.700 To us

01:12:40.300 And saying

01:12:40.780 About us

01:12:41.280 What's your

01:12:42.100 Feeling about

01:12:42.860 How Canadians

01:12:43.920 Are going to

01:12:44.380 Feel about

01:12:44.820 America

01:12:45.220 After all

01:12:45.720 This

01:12:46.000 I think

01:12:47.120 Canadians

01:12:47.740 At the

01:12:48.720 Heart of

01:12:49.080 It all

01:12:49.380 Resent

01:12:50.100 Americans

01:12:50.680 For electing

01:12:51.480 Donald Trump

01:12:52.080 And they

01:12:52.360 Don't

01:12:52.520 Understand

01:12:52.920 How that

01:12:53.360 Is possible

01:12:54.180 Or was

01:12:54.740 Possible

01:12:55.200 And

01:12:56.380 And yet

01:12:57.520 They are

01:12:58.480 Our neighbors

01:12:58.900 And our

01:12:59.280 Friends

01:12:59.620 And everybody

01:13:00.400 Has friends

01:13:01.120 In the

01:13:01.460 United States

01:13:02.040 That I

01:13:02.320 Know in

01:13:02.620 Canada

01:13:02.960 And they're

01:13:03.560 Not going

01:13:03.880 To stop

01:13:04.180 Being my

01:13:04.580 Friends

01:13:05.020 As to

01:13:06.620 Our view

01:13:07.600 Of their

01:13:07.900 Government

01:13:08.320 And their

01:13:08.940 Judgment

01:13:09.320 Politically

01:13:09.920 Yeah I

01:13:10.480 Think Canadians

01:13:11.080 Are looking

01:13:11.560 Very much

01:13:12.060 Down and

01:13:12.880 Very disappointed

01:13:14.040 At the

01:13:14.840 United States

01:13:15.380 Right now

01:13:15.840 And I'm

01:13:16.200 Not sure

01:13:16.680 I'm not

01:13:18.300 Sympathetic

01:13:18.820 To that

01:13:19.180 View

01:13:19.440 I don't

01:13:20.100 Understand

01:13:20.640 I don't

01:13:21.560 Understand

01:13:22.020 How

01:13:22.940 The

01:13:24.300 Largest

01:13:25.540 Most

01:13:26.280 Powerful

01:13:26.980 Economy

01:13:28.040 Largest

01:13:29.680 Military

01:13:30.140 We've seen

01:13:30.900 In 2000

01:13:31.600 Years

01:13:32.120 That

01:13:32.600 I don't

01:13:33.780 No

01:13:34.200 I don't

01:13:34.900 I don't

01:13:35.400 I don't

01:13:35.920 I don't

01:13:37.260 I don't

01:13:38.300 I don't

01:13:39.300 I don't

01:13:39.320 I don't

01:13:39.720 I don't

01:13:40.780 I don't

01:13:40.940 Well you're

01:13:41.180 Not alone

01:13:41.660 In that

01:13:42.000 Regard

01:13:42.500 A few

01:13:43.340 Of us

01:13:43.620 Understand

01:13:44.020 It

01:13:44.380 As we're

01:13:45.080 Just

01:13:45.380 Standing

01:13:46.720 Here

01:13:47.000 Watching

01:13:47.400 All these

01:13:47.860 Terrible

01:13:48.700 Things

01:13:49.100 Happen

01:13:49.900 Down south

01:13:50.940 And now

01:13:51.520 To us

01:13:52.140 Anyway

01:13:52.640 John Mraz

01:13:53.400 Much for us

01:13:54.680 To talk about

01:13:55.280 In the weeks

01:13:55.740 Ahead

01:13:56.060 Thank you

01:13:57.040 For connecting

01:13:57.980 Today

01:13:58.640 This

01:13:59.100 Saturday

01:14:00.100 That

01:14:00.660 Is one

01:14:02.040 I think

01:14:02.520 A lot of

01:14:03.420 Us are

01:14:03.780 Going to

01:14:04.160 Have some

01:14:04.680 Bad feelings

01:14:05.780 About in

01:14:06.260 The years

01:14:06.560 To come

01:14:06.920 Thank you

01:14:07.680 Thanks for

01:14:09.160 Having me

01:14:09.680 Aiko Aiko

01:14:10.260 Thank you

01:14:40.260 On the border, waiting for all else to break loose

01:14:43.860 Every time the yellow board, do you remember the vol?

01:14:49.960 Tied to question the situation, when the gun is on, but we all

01:14:58.660 10 South Americans on the border, 10 South Americans in a jail

01:15:03.860 10 South Americans on the border, 10 South Americans in a jail

01:15:07.860 10 South Americans on the border, 10 South Americans in a jail

01:15:09.860 Do you recall the October of 707, do you remember the LAWMA?

01:15:24.960 Name on the board, out at Covell, say what a plane to Havana.

01:15:30.780 Do you recall the R. Trudeau, do you remember the way it was?

01:15:36.380 We all found that I'll be the last one, we're back in the October of 197.

01:15:44.980 Ten thousand Americans on the border, ten thousand innocents in the jail, ten thousand years ago October of 707, do you remember?

01:16:06.380 The P. Trudeau has been modern.

01:16:11.840 The last fall was the alarm on the border, has run down.

01:16:15.980 Covered we are still early.

01:16:17.980 You're going to get mymal effect.

01:16:19.680 And I'm sure once you've done that, we're been washroom.

01:16:27.680 I zamanami, when you start to

01:16:28.700 uni infamous country people.

01:16:29.540 We'll be right back.

01:16:59.540 We'll be right back.

01:17:29.540 We'll be right back.

01:17:59.540 We'll be right back.

01:18:29.520 We'll be right back.

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01:19:29.480 We'll be right back.

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kinsellacast - February 01, 2025

KINSELLACAST 347： FUCK YOU, YANKS! With Lilley, Mulroney, Burney, Zivo, Bergen, Mraz - plus Hot Nasties and more!

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