kinsellacast - KINSELLACAST 348： Madness reigns (and Grits too？) with E., Lilley, Kheiriddin, Mulroney, Belanger and Koch - plus Cramps, Big Boys, Upchuck, Surfbort, Wetlook

00:00:00.000 It's the KinsellaCast, starring Warren Kinsella.

00:00:18.540 Hey, it's Warren. Welcome to KinsellaCast on a snowy weekend.

00:00:23.280 After another week in which absolutely nothing has happened of political or economic consequence,

00:00:29.460 it's super boring. Well, you know, that's not true. It's crazy. It's nuts.

00:00:38.460 And so we're going to try and make sense of it on this week's podcast with Tasha Carradine

00:00:44.200 and Brian Lilly and Carl Belanger and Ben Moroni and Anthony Koch.

00:00:48.800 And E! E! returns at her request, and also mine, to talk about some important stuff.

00:00:58.220 And it's going to be a good show, and I've got good music.

00:01:01.660 I've got... I was thinking about Lux Interior, who's passed away some years ago,

00:01:10.560 lead singer of the Cramps, who I loved.

00:01:13.860 And one day I'll tell you guys about the story of how my legs, head...

00:01:22.480 Anyway, it's weird. Lux Interior and I. It's a story.

00:01:27.980 And Nick Knox, the drummer, and it's a story. It's embarrassing.

00:01:32.180 Surfboard, who's kind of in that crampsy vein, with a song that's unusually poppy for them,

00:01:39.600 because usually they're total maniacs. Open your eyes.

00:01:42.600 Upchuck. Good band name. That's what they used to say about my band, Social Blemishes.

00:01:48.720 Big Boys, with kind of a bluesy... I don't know, it's just like chugga-chugga. I dug it.

00:01:54.220 And Wet Look, with their song Impostor, it just came out a few days ago.

00:02:00.060 This is super poppy for me. It's super rock and roll.

00:02:03.680 Weird, I know. Yes. But I liked it.

00:02:06.820 So, here it is, on the show.

00:02:09.840 So, it's a good one.

00:02:10.840 And I think we now know why the Tories won an election right away.

00:02:16.660 At the start of 2025, which seems like a million years ago, when Justin Trudeau was still in charge,

00:02:23.440 Angus Reid Institute reported that the Pierre-Paulievre Conservatives were at 45% support nationally,

00:02:31.560 and the Trudeau Liberals were down to 16%.

00:02:35.880 Back then, other pollsters showed nearly the same thing.

00:02:40.660 Nanos put the Tory lead at 23%.

00:02:42.920 Research companies said it was 26%.

00:02:46.040 And then, in the first week of January, Trudeau finally got the message,

00:02:50.500 and he announced he was quitting at the start of March.

00:02:53.040 And the polls didn't meaningfully change at that point.

00:02:55.820 I think some people expected them to.

00:02:58.320 But I did not.

00:02:59.720 Gretchen people did not.

00:03:01.920 As those of us who worked for Canada's best prime minister,

00:03:05.880 it was very familiar.

00:03:07.280 Like, Kim Campbell won her party's leadership in June of 93,

00:03:12.240 succeeding the very unpopular Brian Mulroney.

00:03:15.700 And for months, we had been ahead, sometimes, like Polly Ev, by as much as 30 percentage points.

00:03:22.720 And that continued throughout their leadership.

00:03:25.660 But as soon as the Tories selected Campbell, the bottom started to fall out.

00:03:29.920 Under Campbell, the progressive Conservatives, as they were then known, surged ahead.

00:03:34.940 And by the time the Canada Day weekend rolled around,

00:03:38.140 Campbell had become one of the most popular prime ministers in history.

00:03:41.560 So what happened?

00:03:42.480 A few things.

00:03:44.100 As in politics, you never win or lose because of one thing.

00:03:48.740 Gretchen ran a superior campaign in the fall of 93.

00:03:52.700 And Campbell was inexperienced and undisciplined.

00:03:55.880 And the Tory campaign also ran an ad mocking Gretchen's facial paralysis.

00:04:00.760 Bit of a mistake.

00:04:02.280 Mostly, however, Campbell and her party lost because they'd been in power for almost a decade.

00:04:08.040 People want to change.

00:04:09.700 So I think it's dangerous right now to suggest, as some giddy liberals are now doing,

00:04:15.860 that they could somehow snatch victory from the jaws of defeat.

00:04:19.220 Like under Mark Carney, they're telling themselves perhaps a fourth consecutive liberal win is possible.

00:04:26.080 The reason they're making such wild claims is, again, the polls.

00:04:31.440 Since the race to replace Trudeau officially kicked off at the end of January,

00:04:36.540 the effectively leaderless Liberal Party of Canada has been narrowing the once massive conservative lead.

00:04:43.200 Just about every new poll shows, particularly in Vote Rich Ontario,

00:04:47.860 where the Grits have maintained a bit of a lead for weeks now.

00:04:52.420 So this 30-point lead that Polyev had?

00:04:55.940 It's a memory.

00:04:56.880 How come?

00:04:57.580 Three reasons.

00:04:58.840 Number one.

00:05:00.280 Only a fool or a hardcore Tory partisan would have believed that they dominated in the polls

00:05:06.980 because Canadians all loved Pierre Polyev.

00:05:11.340 They didn't.

00:05:11.880 It was because they'd grown to hate Trudeau.

00:05:15.940 With him going and almost gone, a lot of vote anger has gone too.

00:05:21.240 Number two.

00:05:22.780 The Liberal leadership race has generated some surprisingly respectable interest.

00:05:28.740 Carney, Christopher Freeland, Karina Gold, Frank Bayliss.

00:05:33.020 For a party as unpopular as the Liberals once were,

00:05:37.160 attracting big names is an achievement.

00:05:39.420 Their race has erased media coverage of Polyev and his party too.

00:05:45.540 But the third reason for the shift, the main reason,

00:05:48.420 has nothing to do with Polyev or Carney or Freeland or anybody else in Canada.

00:05:52.980 It's because of an American, Donald Trump.

00:05:56.080 You don't need to analyze the polls, guys, to know it's true.

00:06:00.140 You just need to head down to your local Tim's and listen and take the pulse of the nation.

00:06:05.520 Since the newly returned U.S. President has started attacking Canada,

00:06:10.800 saying he wants to make us a 51st state,

00:06:13.900 saying we offer nothing of value to America,

00:06:16.920 saying that he wants to use force against us,

00:06:19.160 saying he wants to slap crippling tariffs on our goods and still might,

00:06:23.580 Canadians have revealed a deep and visceral loathing of the 47th U.S. President.

00:06:29.980 No American leader is as hated as Trump now is among Canadians.

00:06:36.480 And that, mostly, I think, is why Polyev and his party should stop assuming a huge victory is in the bag.

00:06:43.640 It ain't. Not by a long shot.

00:06:46.480 One poll released Friday morning should make the blue Tory blood run cold.

00:06:51.320 Nanos, which just a few weeks ago, remember, had Polyev pegged at a 23-point lead,

00:06:57.400 now shows a significant majority of Canadians prefer the future liberal leader, Carney,

00:07:03.980 to lead the fight against Trump.

00:07:06.460 Nearly 40% of them believe Carney's better to deal with Trump,

00:07:11.060 ahead of Polyev by 14 points.

00:07:14.060 The Globe speculated that Carney's lead was because he was in charge of the Bank of Canada

00:07:20.500 and the Bank of England and all that stuff, but that's not it.

00:07:23.820 The main reason why Polyev's lead is slipping away is this.

00:07:28.120 Canadians know that not every Canadian conservative is a Trump fan,

00:07:34.380 but they suspect, correctly, that every Canadian Trump fan is a conservative.

00:07:40.720 Donald Trump has become an existential threat to this country.

00:07:48.020 Canadians want to be led by someone who will fight him,

00:07:51.740 not someone who they believe secretly wants to join him.

00:08:10.720 Well, I'm a human fly.

00:08:32.060 I said L-O-I

00:08:34.160 I said B-B-B-B-B-R

00:08:36.180 And it's just because

00:08:38.300 I'm a human fly

00:08:40.140 And I don't know why

00:08:42.120 I got 96 tears

00:08:44.520 96 eyes

00:08:46.060 I got a garbage frame

00:08:48.280 That's driving me insane

00:08:50.180 And I don't like the ride

00:08:52.180 So push that mess to the side

00:08:54.140 And baby, I won't care

00:08:56.080 Cause baby, I don't scare

00:08:58.060 Cause I'm a rebound maggot

00:09:00.320 Using Jim Wall to fail

00:09:02.320 Rock

00:09:26.320 I am a evening fly

00:09:28.320 I still feel why

00:09:30.320 I say buss

00:09:32.320 And it's just me close

00:09:34.320 I'm a unzipped fly

00:09:36.320 And I don't know why

00:09:38.320 And I don't know why

00:09:40.320 But I say

00:09:44.320 Rock tonight

00:09:46.320 And I say

00:09:48.320 Rock it right

00:09:50.320 And I say

00:09:52.320 But I don't know why

00:09:54.320 I just

00:09:56.320 Don't know why

00:09:58.320 And we're back

00:10:06.320 And we're back with Brian Lilly

00:10:08.320 And Brian is about to become

00:10:10.320 really rich

00:10:12.320 by churning out merch

00:10:14.320 with his most famous slogan

00:10:16.320 about politics

00:10:18.320 I am now going to ask Brian

00:10:20.320 to remind people

00:10:21.320 about his slogan

00:10:22.320 What is it Brian?

00:10:24.320 They're going to be

00:10:25.320 fed up hearing it

00:10:26.320 but it's accurate

00:10:28.320 Voters are fickle

00:10:29.320 Fools change

00:10:30.320 Campaigns matter

00:10:32.320 And then I would just add to that

00:10:34.320 the old hackneyed saying

00:10:36.320 always attributed to

00:10:38.320 British Prime Minister McMillan

00:10:40.320 What are you most afraid of?

00:10:42.320 Events dear boy

00:10:43.320 Events

00:10:44.320 Because events

00:10:45.320 change things

00:10:46.320 And that's why

00:10:47.320 Voters are fickle

00:10:48.320 Polls can change in campaigns

00:10:49.320 Tell us why

00:10:50.320 Tell us what has changed

00:10:51.320 and why it has changed

00:10:53.320 Well

00:10:54.320 Liberals shouldn't get

00:10:55.320 too excited

00:10:56.320 because

00:10:57.320 you know

00:10:58.320 the polling firms

00:10:59.320 that I follow

00:11:00.320 have noticed

00:11:01.320 a tightening

00:11:02.320 they've noticed

00:11:03.320 the Liberals

00:11:04.320 moving up

00:11:05.320 but it's still

00:11:06.320 a pretty decent lead

00:11:08.320 for the Conservatives

00:11:09.320 Ipsos has still

00:11:11.320 a 13 point

00:11:13.320 yeah

00:11:14.320 a 13 point lead

00:11:15.320 for the Conservatives

00:11:16.320 Abacus data

00:11:17.320 David Toledo

00:11:18.320 posting on X

00:11:19.320 over the weekend

00:11:20.320 saying that

00:11:21.320 they're starting

00:11:22.320 to see change

00:11:23.320 you know

00:11:24.320 Ipsos had a 26 point lead

00:11:26.320 for the Conservatives

00:11:27.320 back in

00:11:28.320 January 7th

00:11:29.320 that was

00:11:30.320 the day after

00:11:32.320 Trudeau quit

00:11:33.320 they had them 46 to 20

00:11:36.320 now it's 41 to 28

00:11:38.320 look I never believed

00:11:40.320 the really highs

00:11:41.320 and I never believed

00:11:42.320 the really lows

00:11:43.320 until you see a pattern

00:11:45.320 I never thought

00:11:46.320 that it was

00:11:47.320 an actual 26 point lead

00:11:49.320 that would hold

00:11:50.320 so 13 point lead

00:11:52.320 is still significant

00:11:53.320 but are the Liberals

00:11:54.320 coming up?

00:11:55.320 Sure.

00:11:56.320 Now is it a

00:11:57.320 1.9 point gap

00:11:59.320 the way

00:12:00.320 some pollsters

00:12:01.320 are claiming?

00:12:02.320 No.

00:12:03.320 And of course

00:12:05.320 these are from polling firms

00:12:06.320 that if I was

00:12:07.320 staring at the same clock

00:12:08.320 as the guy leading it

00:12:10.320 and we were both

00:12:12.320 looking at the times

00:12:13.320 and he said it out loud

00:12:15.320 I'd double check.

00:12:17.320 Now tell us why

00:12:19.320 so whether

00:12:21.320 you know

00:12:22.320 the Liberals

00:12:23.320 have dramatically

00:12:25.320 moved up

00:12:26.320 or a little bit

00:12:27.320 moved up

00:12:28.320 it seems like

00:12:29.320 across the board

00:12:30.320 as you point out

00:12:32.320 with your

00:12:33.320 now

00:12:34.320 famous slogan

00:12:35.320 that you know

00:12:36.320 voters are fickle

00:12:37.320 and polls change

00:12:38.320 so they're changing

00:12:40.320 why do you think that is?

00:12:42.320 Well Trudeau's gone

00:12:45.320 that was the first event

00:12:46.320 and

00:12:47.320 Donald Trump is

00:12:48.320 is threatening

00:12:50.320 Canada

00:12:51.320 51st

00:12:52.320 state discussion

00:12:53.320 and all that

00:12:54.320 and we all heard

00:12:55.320 that hot mic moment

00:12:56.320 that I think Trudeau wanted

00:12:57.320 to get out the other day

00:12:59.320 I don't think that was

00:13:00.320 an accident at all

00:13:03.320 where he's

00:13:05.320 he was at an event

00:13:06.320 with business leaders

00:13:07.320 and labor leaders

00:13:08.320 and politicians

00:13:10.320 and they're talking about

00:13:11.320 how to respond

00:13:12.320 and he's

00:13:13.320 he said on the hot mic

00:13:14.320 that this is not a joke

00:13:15.320 now the Liberals

00:13:16.320 have been claiming

00:13:17.320 since December

00:13:18.320 when this leaked out

00:13:20.320 that Trump had joked

00:13:21.320 about Canada being

00:13:22.320 the 51st state

00:13:23.320 when Trudeau went

00:13:24.320 to Mar-a-Lago

00:13:25.320 oh it's just a joke

00:13:26.320 he's just joking

00:13:27.320 this isn't for real

00:13:28.320 and

00:13:29.320 now Trudeau

00:13:30.320 says on this

00:13:31.320 quote unquote

00:13:32.320 hot mic moment

00:13:33.320 that it's for real

00:13:35.320 if Trudeau hadn't

00:13:36.320 announced his resignation

00:13:37.320 and the Liberal Party

00:13:38.320 was not

00:13:39.320 you know

00:13:40.320 now millions of dollars

00:13:41.320 into deposits

00:13:42.320 from candidates

00:13:43.320 to

00:13:44.320 run their leadership

00:13:45.320 in their leadership

00:13:46.320 I think he'd be trying

00:13:47.320 to pull a Pierre Trudeau

00:13:48.320 and say

00:13:49.320 oh

00:13:50.320 Chris resign

00:13:51.320 I'm sorry

00:13:53.320 you must have misheard me

00:13:54.320 I'm not going anywhere

00:13:56.320 well they're

00:13:57.320 they're experiencing

00:13:58.320 whiplash across the board

00:14:00.320 aren't they with

00:14:01.320 like as

00:14:02.320 as you pointed out

00:14:03.320 to me this morning

00:14:04.320 our front page

00:14:05.320 in the Toronto Sun

00:14:06.320 talks about

00:14:08.320 how the

00:14:09.320 the main liberal

00:14:10.320 leadership candidates

00:14:11.320 have all reversed

00:14:12.320 reversed themselves

00:14:13.320 on the key issues

00:14:14.320 that they used

00:14:15.320 to campaign on

00:14:16.320 yeah let me just

00:14:18.320 pull it up and read it out

00:14:19.320 we were all wrong

00:14:20.320 but reelected anyway

00:14:21.320 Mr. Freeland

00:14:24.320 just yesterday

00:14:25.320 or the other day

00:14:26.320 saying oh

00:14:27.320 you know we should really

00:14:28.320 build LNG export terminals

00:14:31.320 wait a minute

00:14:32.320 there were 16

00:14:33.320 on the desk of the government

00:14:34.320 when you took over

00:14:35.320 and you either rejected them

00:14:37.320 or ragged the puck so long

00:14:38.320 that people said

00:14:39.320 people said eh

00:14:40.320 I'm leaving

00:14:42.320 you were part of a government

00:14:44.320 that told

00:14:45.320 Japan and

00:14:46.320 and Germany

00:14:47.320 who were both

00:14:48.320 importing

00:14:49.320 LNG from

00:14:50.320 Russia

00:14:51.320 that there was

00:14:52.320 no we're not going to sell

00:14:53.320 you LNG

00:14:54.320 there's no business case

00:14:55.320 and

00:14:56.320 and guess what

00:14:57.320 did you see what happened

00:14:58.320 Friday in

00:14:59.320 in Washington

00:15:00.320 Donald Trump signs a very

00:15:02.320 lucrative deal

00:15:03.320 to sell oil and gas

00:15:05.320 to Japan

00:15:06.320 that could have been

00:15:07.320 our deal

00:15:08.320 and based on how the Germans

00:15:10.320 have done it

00:15:11.320 we could have actually

00:15:12.320 built everything

00:15:13.320 and been exporting

00:15:14.320 by now

00:15:15.320 getting them off of

00:15:16.320 Russian gas

00:15:18.320 taking away

00:15:19.320 Putin's money

00:15:20.320 for his war

00:15:21.320 against Ukraine

00:15:22.320 and also

00:15:23.320 because it would be

00:15:24.320 the West Coast

00:15:25.320 selling that LNG

00:15:26.320 to China

00:15:27.320 and India

00:15:28.320 to get them off coal

00:15:29.320 reducing their emissions

00:15:30.320 from those electricity plants

00:15:31.320 by two thirds

00:15:32.320 and we said no

00:15:34.320 and now

00:15:35.320 the liberals said

00:15:36.320 they want that

00:15:37.320 they also want an

00:15:38.320 east-west pipeline

00:15:39.320 and Dominic LeBlanc said

00:15:40.320 you know

00:15:41.320 we should really

00:15:42.320 rein in spending

00:15:43.320 who are you guys

00:15:46.320 and what did you do

00:15:47.320 with the liberals?

00:15:48.320 So let's talk about

00:15:49.320 Prime Minister Whiplash

00:15:50.320 Mr. Carney

00:15:53.320 so he like the others

00:15:55.320 has reversed himself

00:15:56.320 on basically every policy

00:15:57.320 that he was secretly

00:15:58.320 involved with

00:15:59.320 but he seems to be

00:16:01.320 getting away with it

00:16:02.320 he's got the majority

00:16:03.320 of cabinet behind him

00:16:04.320 majority of caucus

00:16:05.320 and a lot of Canadians too

00:16:08.320 if you believe the polls

00:16:09.320 he's doing very well

00:16:11.320 why do

00:16:12.320 like I don't understand

00:16:13.320 we've got to be the only

00:16:14.320 country in the world

00:16:15.320 as I said on CFRA

00:16:16.320 this morning

00:16:17.320 that thinks it's a good idea

00:16:18.320 to drop a banker

00:16:19.320 into a pit

00:16:20.320 with a rabid crocodile

00:16:22.320 but anyway

00:16:23.320 apparently we do

00:16:24.320 why

00:16:25.320 why is Carney

00:16:26.320 doing so well

00:16:27.320 compared to other people

00:16:28.320 in the political landscape?

00:16:30.320 I

00:16:31.320 well first off

00:16:32.320 the entire PMO team

00:16:33.320 is behind

00:16:34.320 so you

00:16:36.320 you know

00:16:37.320 why did so many

00:16:38.320 cabinet ministers

00:16:40.320 go to him

00:16:41.320 instead of

00:16:42.320 Christian Freeland

00:16:43.320 sorry if you can hear

00:16:44.320 snowy

00:16:45.320 Chloe snoring loudly

00:16:46.320 appropriately

00:16:49.320 yeah yeah

00:16:50.320 we're boring her

00:16:51.320 with this

00:16:53.320 but

00:16:54.320 you know

00:16:55.320 they

00:16:56.320 the

00:16:57.320 the Trudeau team

00:16:58.320 are

00:16:59.320 so angry

00:17:00.320 at Freeland

00:17:01.320 they feel betrayed

00:17:02.320 by her

00:17:03.320 so they pressured

00:17:04.320 everyone

00:17:05.320 that they could

00:17:06.320 to go with her

00:17:07.320 even

00:17:08.320 you remember

00:17:09.320 that the day

00:17:10.320 that Freeland

00:17:11.320 announced her resignation

00:17:12.320 Anita Anand is walking in

00:17:13.320 and she's choking up

00:17:14.320 talking about this

00:17:15.320 and saying what a good friend

00:17:16.320 she is

00:17:17.320 at Christian Freeland

00:17:18.320 it made her pause

00:17:20.320 to consider her future

00:17:21.320 but she's on

00:17:22.320 Mark Carney's team

00:17:23.320 why?

00:17:24.320 you got Katie Telford

00:17:25.320 the chief of staff

00:17:27.320 you've got

00:17:28.320 Jerry Bucks

00:17:29.320 his former principal secretary

00:17:30.320 you got Andrew Bateman

00:17:31.320 who's supposed to be

00:17:32.320 the neutral campaign guy

00:17:33.320 you know

00:17:34.320 believe it or not

00:17:36.320 I talked to liberals

00:17:37.320 I know they've all made calls

00:17:39.320 for Mark Carney

00:17:40.320 but Jerry's on his team

00:17:41.320 but they're team kryptonite

00:17:43.320 I mean they're the ones

00:17:44.320 who reduced Trudeau

00:17:45.320 to 16%

00:17:46.320 at Christmas time

00:17:47.320 why is it working

00:17:49.320 with Carney?

00:17:50.320 well he

00:17:51.320 you know

00:17:52.320 he looks good

00:17:53.320 he comes from

00:17:54.320 central casting

00:17:55.320 maybe there's a fondness

00:17:56.320 for your guys

00:17:57.320 who could be swapped

00:17:58.320 in and out

00:17:59.320 as one of the Darren's

00:18:00.320 on Bewitched

00:18:01.320 that kind of love

00:18:02.320 oh my god

00:18:03.320 that's so true

00:18:04.320 isn't it

00:18:05.320 like he

00:18:06.320 you know

00:18:07.320 if you're of our vintage

00:18:08.320 then you grew up watching

00:18:09.320 Bewitched after school

00:18:10.320 right?

00:18:11.320 and

00:18:12.320 they swapped out

00:18:13.320 the Darren's

00:18:14.320 and

00:18:15.320 nobody noticed

00:18:16.320 and Mark Carney could be one of them

00:18:17.320 but also

00:18:18.320 I think

00:18:19.320 the Canadian media

00:18:20.320 gives

00:18:21.320 Carney

00:18:22.320 a free pass

00:18:25.320 he's

00:18:26.320 friends with some of them

00:18:27.320 but I think a lot of them just go

00:18:28.320 ooh

00:18:29.320 banker

00:18:30.320 oh he saved the

00:18:31.320 Canadian economy

00:18:32.320 I mean he's literally out there

00:18:33.320 with a stolen

00:18:34.320 valor

00:18:35.320 type story

00:18:36.320 that he saved

00:18:37.320 two economies

00:18:38.320 he was

00:18:39.320 he was

00:18:40.320 the central banker

00:18:41.320 for two economies

00:18:42.320 but

00:18:43.320 you know

00:18:44.320 the bank governor

00:18:45.320 only made certain decisions

00:18:46.320 and claiming that

00:18:48.320 it was him

00:18:49.320 as opposed to he was part of the team

00:18:50.320 with Stephen Harper

00:18:51.320 and Jim Flaherty

00:18:52.320 who made the big decisions

00:18:53.320 the political decisions

00:18:55.320 is going a bit far

00:18:56.320 but people don't question that

00:18:58.320 and I think

00:18:59.320 you know

00:19:00.320 there's a certain amount of

00:19:01.320 credentialism in Canada

00:19:03.320 where people just say

00:19:04.320 oh he's an economist

00:19:05.320 he must be smart

00:19:06.320 well

00:19:07.320 look at his policy

00:19:08.320 so he said

00:19:09.320 you know

00:19:10.320 get rid of the consumer carbon tax

00:19:11.320 but then he said

00:19:12.320 he would

00:19:13.320 jack up the industrial carbon tax

00:19:15.320 and Todd Battis

00:19:16.320 at CTV Atlantic

00:19:17.320 says to him

00:19:18.320 well won't that

00:19:19.320 mean prices will go up

00:19:20.320 and he said

00:19:21.320 oh no

00:19:22.320 I mean

00:19:23.320 do you buy much steel these days?

00:19:24.320 you know

00:19:25.320 if you increase the tax on business

00:19:26.320 of course

00:19:27.320 prices will go up

00:19:28.320 it's like tariffs

00:19:29.320 it's like tariffs

00:19:30.320 they just pass it along

00:19:31.320 and then

00:19:32.320 he wants

00:19:33.320 he wants a tariff

00:19:34.320 on imports

00:19:35.320 if your climate plan

00:19:37.320 isn't good enough

00:19:38.320 meaning you don't have a carbon tax

00:19:39.320 who would that be?

00:19:40.320 the United States

00:19:42.320 yeah

00:19:43.320 Mexico

00:19:44.320 China

00:19:45.320 are three

00:19:46.320 so he wants a tariff

00:19:47.320 imagine

00:19:48.320 the outrage in Washington

00:19:50.320 and you could put

00:19:51.320 Kamala Harris

00:19:52.320 in the White House

00:19:53.320 let's back up

00:19:54.320 and pretend that

00:19:55.320 the Democrats won

00:19:56.320 you put a border tariff

00:19:57.320 based on climate

00:19:59.320 on everything that

00:20:00.320 the U.S. sends to us

00:20:01.320 one

00:20:02.320 it will drop off prices

00:20:03.320 two

00:20:04.320 we're talking about

00:20:06.320 retaliatory tariffs

00:20:07.320 now

00:20:08.320 what are we going to do?

00:20:09.320 yeah

00:20:10.320 retaliatory tariffs

00:20:12.320 so

00:20:13.320 this is why I say

00:20:14.320 Kearney gets a free pass

00:20:16.320 he says things

00:20:17.320 and he

00:20:18.320 but he puts them in a

00:20:19.320 yeah

00:20:20.320 well we will have a

00:20:21.320 carbon border adjustment

00:20:23.320 oh okay

00:20:24.320 people just write down

00:20:25.320 carbon border adjustment

00:20:26.320 what the hell is that?

00:20:27.320 it's a tariff

00:20:28.320 oh

00:20:29.320 he

00:20:30.320 he gets a free pass

00:20:31.320 and I think that's why

00:20:32.320 he's moving up

00:20:33.320 and you saw that

00:20:34.320 Nanos poll

00:20:35.320 about 40%

00:20:37.320 believed that

00:20:38.320 he would be the best person

00:20:39.320 to deal with Donald Trump

00:20:40.320 so did you call Trump

00:20:41.320 a rabid crocodile

00:20:42.320 in a pit?

00:20:44.320 uh

00:20:45.320 only 26%

00:20:46.320 picked

00:20:47.320 Kaliyev

00:20:48.320 when Trudeau was in

00:20:49.320 Kaliyev was ahead of

00:20:51.320 Trudeau significantly

00:20:52.320 on who would be best

00:20:53.320 position to deal with Donald Trump

00:20:55.320 quite frankly

00:20:56.320 quite frankly

00:20:57.320 I don't know what

00:20:58.320 you know

00:20:59.320 who would be best

00:21:00.320 to deal with Donald Trump

00:21:01.320 what we need

00:21:02.320 to deal with Donald Trump

00:21:03.320 is start being an adult country

00:21:04.320 and doing things

00:21:05.320 that we've been sloughing off

00:21:06.320 like the teenager

00:21:08.320 who doesn't want to get a real job

00:21:09.320 for the last 10 years

00:21:10.320 like building pipelines

00:21:12.320 and LNG

00:21:13.320 and diversifying trade

00:21:15.320 and spending on our military

00:21:16.320 um

00:21:18.320 I

00:21:19.320 coffee with the

00:21:20.320 American diplomat

00:21:21.320 earlier in the week

00:21:22.320 and

00:21:23.320 and they just said

00:21:24.320 look if

00:21:25.320 if you guys just looked after

00:21:26.320 the military stuff

00:21:27.320 and the national security stuff

00:21:29.320 that's 70% of the irritants

00:21:31.320 like

00:21:32.320 we're just

00:21:33.320 fed up with you guys

00:21:35.320 this is

00:21:36.320 this is someone who worked

00:21:37.320 under the Biden

00:21:38.320 well

00:21:39.320 it's

00:21:40.320 uh

00:21:41.320 Carney's ambiguity

00:21:42.320 reminds me of

00:21:43.320 a quotation

00:21:44.320 from Karl Marx

00:21:45.320 which I put out yesterday

00:21:46.320 which is

00:21:47.320 the massive people

00:21:48.320 have sound common sense

00:21:50.320 they have an instinctive hatred

00:21:52.320 against everything ambiguous

00:21:53.320 which I think is why

00:21:54.320 Trump won

00:21:55.320 and why Carney

00:21:56.320 uh

00:21:57.320 may ultimately

00:21:58.320 be in trouble

00:21:59.320 because he's just

00:22:00.320 it's like pinning down smoke

00:22:01.320 with this guy

00:22:02.320 but

00:22:03.320 it's kind of

00:22:04.320 it reminds me a little bit

00:22:05.320 of Paul Martin

00:22:06.320 yeah

00:22:07.320 yeah

00:22:08.320 if you have 150 priorities

00:22:09.320 you don't have any

00:22:10.320 so

00:22:11.320 we shall see

00:22:12.320 any in coming days

00:22:13.320 I guess we'll see on tariffs

00:22:14.320 and all kinds of other stuff

00:22:16.320 for Brian Lilly

00:22:17.320 and Chloe

00:22:18.320 sleeping away

00:22:19.320 in the background there

00:22:20.320 thank you so much

00:22:21.320 have a great day

00:22:22.320 thank you

00:22:23.320 when you open your eyes

00:22:28.320 take a deep look inside

00:22:33.320 you don't have to feel the same way

00:22:37.320 you did yesterday

00:22:38.320 oh no

00:22:39.320 yesterday

00:22:40.320 oh no

00:22:41.320 yesterday

00:22:43.320 was so low

00:22:46.320 things will be so good one day

00:22:49.320 can't wait for the holiday

00:22:52.320 happiness is on its way

00:22:54.320 alright

00:22:55.320 we can see the world someday

00:22:59.320 everything will be okay

00:23:01.320 happiness is on its way

00:23:02.320 happiness is on its way

00:23:03.320 alright

00:23:04.320 happiness is on its way

00:23:05.320 alright

00:23:06.320 when you open your eyes

00:23:08.320 when you open your eyes

00:23:11.320 take a deep look inside

00:23:14.320 you don't have to feel the same way

00:23:18.320 you don't have to feel the same way

00:23:21.320 you did yesterday

00:23:23.320 oh no

00:23:25.320 things will be so good one day

00:23:29.320 can't wait for the holiday

00:23:31.320 happiness is on its way

00:23:33.320 alright

00:23:35.320 we can see the world someday

00:23:38.320 someday

00:23:40.320 everything will be okay

00:23:42.320 happiness is on its way

00:23:43.320 alright

00:23:45.320 we had to hear but here we are

00:23:50.320 we had to hear but here we are

00:23:55.320 we had to hear but here we are

00:24:02.320 we had to hear but here we are

00:24:05.320 When you open your eyes

00:24:10.620 Take a deep look inside

00:24:14.540 You don't have to feel the same

00:24:19.500 What you did yesterday

00:24:22.260 Oh no

00:24:24.500 Two, three, four

00:24:25.980 Things will be so good one day

00:24:28.300 Can't wait for the holiday

00:24:30.400 Happiness is on its way, alright

00:24:34.280 We can see the world someday

00:24:38.000 Everything will be okay

00:24:40.520 Happiness is on its way, alright

00:24:43.820 And we're back, and we're back with a special guest

00:24:51.400 We're back with E.

00:24:53.180 And this is, I mean, I get prime ministers and presidents

00:24:57.420 and celebrities asking to be on the Kinsella cast all the time

00:25:01.580 All the time

00:25:03.140 But this is an occasion where E. said to me

00:25:07.160 I want to say something

00:25:09.800 I want to express my opinion

00:25:13.680 And what she told me she wanted to express her opinion on

00:25:17.380 was the deal, in quotation marks

00:25:20.820 that Justin Trudeau and Donald Trump concluded a few days ago

00:25:25.320 Or did they?

00:25:26.860 So tell us

00:25:28.900 You were pretty upset, weren't you?

00:25:32.260 Okay, first of all, I think we need to back up a moment here

00:25:34.380 Who's the most recent celebrity who's asked to be on this?

00:25:39.520 Brian Lilly

00:25:40.180 Yeah, exactly

00:25:42.300 No, actually the reason is I believe the last time I was on

00:25:46.360 there was many, many calls for more E to be on this podcast

00:25:51.220 Certain sense of comedic levity

00:25:53.620 The embarrassing of you, I think, was particularly attractive to some of your listeners

00:25:58.780 I don't remember any of that

00:25:59.960 Okay, get to your opinion

00:26:01.120 Yes, I was indeed annoyed

00:26:04.540 I have stayed away from the news a little bit as of late

00:26:10.840 Why?

00:26:12.180 Well, because I live with you

00:26:13.240 So I don't necessarily have to read all the newspapers I once did

00:26:17.020 But I did need a bit of a break

00:26:18.640 I went back to some old hobbies

00:26:20.440 Been particularly keen on keeping my phone out of my hand

00:26:24.500 And pretty much just read the news on Sunday mornings

00:26:27.860 But have to listen to you ad nauseum for most of the day

00:26:32.860 So I'm not limited to my news throughout the day

00:26:37.520 However, I had been keeping up on the phone calls

00:26:42.860 Back and forth, whatever

00:26:44.960 Dithering between the president to the south

00:26:49.220 And our current leader, in quotations

00:26:54.000 Wow, big pause there

00:26:55.720 And at first, their first tete-a-tete was fine

00:27:01.500 I thought Mr. Trudeau was as poised and defiant as he could be

00:27:09.100 However, the second phone call, I was quite upset about

00:27:13.600 I was sitting at the table doing some work

00:27:15.460 And I was eagerly awaiting you to come down from, believe it or not, folks

00:27:20.080 Some quiet meditation time for Mr. Kinsella

00:27:23.340 And as soon as he hit the bottom of the stairs, I was rife with, quite honestly, a lot of swear words

00:27:30.980 You swear a lot, though

00:27:34.780 I do swear a lot, that's not unusual

00:27:36.220 However, I rarely raise my voice

00:27:38.800 But I was quite disappointed in his approach

00:27:42.920 Why?

00:27:46.080 Here, I'll just say

00:27:47.260 I thought he did the best he could

00:27:50.380 And as it turned out in the subsequent coverage

00:27:52.460 Apparently he agreed to do stuff that was already happening

00:27:55.500 Yeah, my problem is, is the best he could do

00:27:58.500 Like, this is a difficult position he's in

00:28:02.200 We really don't have a leader at the moment

00:28:04.360 And we don't necessarily know who's going to be our next leader

00:28:06.600 And from what is, I can see ahead of me

00:28:10.480 I'm not in particular in favor of any of the potential candidates

00:28:13.380 What, Mark Carney doesn't, like, rock your world?

00:28:16.220 Not particularly, he's a little bit vanilla

00:28:17.800 I think he'd be great economically

00:28:20.600 But aside from that, he's not really giving me anything

00:28:23.060 Brian Lilly calls him Darren from Bewitched

00:28:25.680 Which one?

00:28:27.900 See, oh, there you just dated yourself

00:28:30.200 Darren 1 or Darren 2

00:28:30.820 Darren 1 or Darren 2

00:28:31.800 But he, Brian said you could sub him in as a Darren

00:28:34.600 Kind of bland, vanilla, as you say

00:28:36.820 Yeah, I mean, he has a look that's a little

00:28:39.060 For lack of a better term, and I apologize

00:28:42.260 It's a little whitewashed

00:28:43.420 It's just a little banal to me

00:28:46.360 And I know he's been making the rounds

00:28:49.280 But hasn't really done much for me

00:28:51.180 Nor have the other potential candidates

00:28:52.800 But in fairness of Trudeau, what would you have had him do?

00:28:57.500 So here's the situation

00:28:59.700 I spoke to a couple of my friends about this

00:29:02.740 And you, I'm not really sure what your actual thoughts are

00:29:05.820 And what my take was on it

00:29:07.740 That's unusual

00:29:08.520 Usually you hear about all my thoughts

00:29:10.420 That is true

00:29:11.300 I think you kind of agreed with me

00:29:13.040 But as you say to me often

00:29:14.560 Which I get quite bent out of shape about

00:29:16.520 Is when I have an opinion about this

00:29:18.360 You say, that's not how it's done in politics

00:29:20.800 I do not say that

00:29:22.280 Yes, you do

00:29:22.300 That's fucking bullshit

00:29:23.220 You say that all the time to me

00:29:24.600 To which I get very upset

00:29:25.880 And which is why, despite many people

00:29:28.460 Suggesting I go into politics

00:29:29.880 I probably wouldn't be good at it

00:29:31.700 Because apparently

00:29:32.320 I do things that just aren't done in politics

00:29:35.200 What I mean is

00:29:36.060 You just have to be careful

00:29:37.340 You've got to be careful in politics

00:29:38.820 There's always a hand grenade out there

00:29:40.560 Fair enough

00:29:41.040 So this brings me to my problem here

00:29:45.000 Is, well, it's not really my problem

00:29:46.980 It's potentially all of our problems

00:29:48.680 My thought was

00:29:51.700 I wouldn't have even taken the phone call

00:29:53.300 The first thought I had was

00:29:56.500 I just wanted to skirt around him

00:29:58.480 And go have a little gal pal chat

00:30:01.620 With our friend farther south

00:30:03.480 Madam Steinbaum

00:30:04.780 Who has a rather large population of consumers

00:30:07.720 Yes, she does

00:30:09.380 Canada being one of them

00:30:11.340 As someone who works in food

00:30:13.320 And buys a lot of food

00:30:14.620 It's pretty easy to go around

00:30:17.280 Pretty much California

00:30:19.560 And not bring in their produce

00:30:21.640 What about the EU?

00:30:22.620 You know a lot about food in Europe

00:30:24.080 Do you know a lot about the EU?

00:30:25.220 I bring in a lot of specialty products from the EU

00:30:27.440 I would love a better trading relationship with the EU

00:30:29.980 So again, if it had been me

00:30:31.960 I would have, you know

00:30:34.420 Gotten down to Mexico as fast as possible

00:30:37.320 And had an actual tête-à-tête with Madam Steinbaum

00:30:41.700 And then possibly taken a flight

00:30:44.260 Straight to Brussels thereafter

00:30:46.180 To see what our friends in the EU could do

00:30:48.980 And then maybe, just maybe

00:30:50.920 Would have, I don't know

00:30:52.880 Maybe thrown a phone call to our royal leader

00:30:55.880 And potentially some other Commonwealth countries

00:30:58.380 To say, where are we at

00:30:59.780 In terms of our current relationship?

00:31:01.840 How are we feeling as a Commonwealth nation?

00:31:04.180 Are we still good pals?

00:31:05.380 Like, what are we looking at here

00:31:06.780 In terms of, you know, a team relationship?

00:31:10.500 King Chuck has been rather quiet, hasn't he?

00:31:12.520 I have noted that weeks ago

00:31:13.920 Now, I give him a little bit of credit

00:31:16.060 I'm not a royalist

00:31:17.140 But he's ailing to an extent

00:31:20.020 So we'll give him some credit

00:31:21.300 And, you know, quite frankly

00:31:23.180 Maybe he's a little gun-shy of Trump

00:31:26.320 But either way

00:31:27.300 We are still a Commonwealth country

00:31:28.660 So I might have done a little digging around

00:31:30.960 Just to see where some support

00:31:32.600 Might have come from

00:31:33.360 Our fellow Commonwealth allies

00:31:35.380 However, the point of my anger that night

00:31:39.060 Was I don't think he should have

00:31:40.800 Even taken the phone call

00:31:41.920 How do you ignore the President of the United States

00:31:45.220 When he's talking about making you

00:31:46.580 The 51st state?

00:31:47.740 How do you do that?

00:31:48.360 My thoughts on someone like him

00:31:51.660 I don't know this man

00:31:53.040 I've never met this man

00:31:54.480 But my thoughts is

00:31:56.180 He is sort of your classic bully

00:31:59.760 With a group of sort of infantile sycophants around him

00:32:06.120 I think there's syphilis in the mix too, personally

00:32:08.680 Not potentially

00:32:09.640 However, I'm a bit of

00:32:12.920 What I'm about to say is slightly oxymoronic

00:32:15.560 Because I can be quite defiant

00:32:18.940 And a little over the top

00:32:21.360 In how I might choose to handle things

00:32:24.040 But I'm quite pragmatic at the same time

00:32:26.840 So my whole thought was

00:32:29.000 I would never have taken the phone call

00:32:30.480 And much to what I just said

00:32:31.920 I would have just gone around

00:32:33.460 And had these conversations

00:32:35.080 With other current or potential allies

00:32:37.720 To see how we could, you know

00:32:40.000 Ease this situation

00:32:42.060 Or potentially carve out some sort of plan

00:32:44.220 That might be better for us in the long run

00:32:45.840 I don't want to have a trade war

00:32:47.680 With the United States

00:32:48.760 I don't want to have problems with this man

00:32:50.820 But do we really believe

00:32:52.640 That if we kowtow to him

00:32:54.280 Whether large or small

00:32:55.540 That he's just going to stop

00:32:56.740 And everything's going to be friendly and fine?

00:32:58.660 I don't think so

00:32:59.700 That's not what he's interested in

00:33:01.060 This is his second term

00:33:02.840 To, you know

00:33:05.060 He was, you know

00:33:07.840 A limited version of himself

00:33:09.520 To an extent in his first term

00:33:11.160 He doesn't care

00:33:12.360 He does not give a shit

00:33:13.920 About this second term

00:33:14.960 He is going to steamroll

00:33:16.620 And boil over

00:33:18.180 And deep fry

00:33:19.180 And do whatever he wants in this term

00:33:20.760 Because he doesn't care

00:33:22.020 We've seen that

00:33:23.160 In the first 10, 20 days of this

00:33:25.500 He's going to do whatever he wants

00:33:27.380 He doesn't care about the outcomes

00:33:28.880 So yes

00:33:30.180 Is there a potential, you know

00:33:32.040 Threat if we don't do what he wants

00:33:34.140 But how do we look

00:33:35.140 In the grand scheme of things

00:33:36.260 As a country

00:33:37.400 And again

00:33:39.380 It's a little bit of a difficult situation

00:33:41.360 But

00:33:42.140 Where my anger came specifically

00:33:44.500 To Trudeau

00:33:45.940 Is he did have

00:33:47.140 A slight opportunity

00:33:49.140 To go out

00:33:50.440 With a little bit of gumption

00:33:51.980 A little bit of chutzpah

00:33:53.320 A little bit of

00:33:54.480 I know my country

00:33:55.460 Doesn't like me

00:33:56.420 But maybe

00:33:57.200 I have a little bit

00:33:58.640 Of an opportunity here

00:33:59.700 To gain some

00:34:00.940 Respect

00:34:01.820 By

00:34:02.460 Really

00:34:03.400 Showing up in front of this

00:34:06.020 Quote-unquote bully

00:34:06.860 And I don't think he did it

00:34:08.140 And I was embarrassed

00:34:09.420 And quite frankly angry

00:34:11.620 I mean I wasn't slamming my shoe

00:34:13.120 On the dinner table

00:34:13.900 Close

00:34:15.340 Close

00:34:15.900 It was close

00:34:16.580 Well you know

00:34:17.780 You and I

00:34:18.800 You know

00:34:19.620 We'll head to our

00:34:20.920 Beachfront property

00:34:21.820 In Gaza

00:34:22.460 And you know

00:34:23.440 We can debate

00:34:24.200 All of this stuff

00:34:25.120 Absolutely ridiculous

00:34:26.100 Yeah it's fucking madness

00:34:27.600 That's the time we live in

00:34:29.480 And you know

00:34:30.040 The challenge I think

00:34:31.300 That any politician's got

00:34:32.640 I sound like I'm defending

00:34:33.800 Trudeau

00:34:34.340 Talking to you

00:34:35.520 Is

00:34:36.640 It's so hard

00:34:38.260 To deal with somebody

00:34:39.540 Who's clearly

00:34:41.040 Mentally ill

00:34:41.860 Who has power

00:34:43.020 That's

00:34:43.840 That's something

00:34:44.720 You know

00:34:45.720 My experience in politics

00:34:47.400 You know

00:34:48.080 You meet idiosyncratic

00:34:49.720 Weird people

00:34:50.760 But nothing at this level

00:34:52.740 Has happened before

00:34:53.640 Fair enough

00:34:54.120 And I apologize

00:34:54.680 For the interruption

00:34:55.480 But is the alternative

00:34:56.360 To be like

00:34:56.900 Yes sir

00:34:57.920 No problem

00:34:59.060 We'll do this for you

00:35:01.100 Because

00:35:01.420 You know

00:35:02.640 This

00:35:03.700 To your

00:35:04.540 Earlier point

00:35:05.580 This plan

00:35:06.680 The border plan

00:35:07.320 Was already in process

00:35:08.240 With Biden

00:35:08.940 So it's nothing new

00:35:10.460 And ultimately

00:35:12.580 Like

00:35:12.980 Do we really think

00:35:14.600 In however many

00:35:15.380 How many days

00:35:15.860 Did you say it was

00:35:16.340 26 days

00:35:17.220 Or however longer

00:35:17.860 We have

00:35:18.280 Until this 30 days

00:35:19.420 Is up

00:35:19.760 Is he

00:35:21.040 Not going to come back

00:35:22.020 With something else

00:35:22.860 He has no

00:35:24.980 You know

00:35:26.420 He doesn't care

00:35:27.320 So ultimately

00:35:28.300 He can be like

00:35:28.920 Well here's the next thing

00:35:30.280 Little small medium

00:35:31.460 Whatever

00:35:31.880 Are you going to do this

00:35:32.920 Are you going to do this

00:35:33.580 Like at what point

00:35:34.560 The niceties of Canada

00:35:36.420 Did we just be like

00:35:37.200 Fuck you

00:35:38.080 There's other countries

00:35:40.080 In the world

00:35:40.560 There's other people

00:35:41.240 In the world

00:35:41.860 You're a raging idiot

00:35:43.740 We still love

00:35:44.780 Your country

00:35:46.920 And your people

00:35:47.780 But you

00:35:48.340 The blue states

00:35:49.040 We love the blue states

00:35:50.300 There's some lovely people

00:35:51.240 In the red states as well

00:35:52.420 You and I need to think

00:35:53.360 About what we're going

00:35:53.980 To do this summer

00:35:54.660 We go to Maine

00:35:55.820 Every summer

00:35:56.500 We love it

00:35:57.140 Nice blue state

00:35:58.400 Campaign for the Democrats

00:35:59.740 When we're there

00:36:00.360 But do we do

00:36:01.960 What a lot of my readers

00:36:02.920 Have done

00:36:03.360 Which is cancel their trips

00:36:04.680 Something we'll have to

00:36:05.520 Debate in the coming months

00:36:06.660 Yeah

00:36:06.980 There's several things

00:36:08.240 That will have to be

00:36:08.940 Debated in the coming months

00:36:10.640 And someone very close to me

00:36:12.540 Has you know

00:36:13.560 Has been planning for

00:36:14.580 A year to move

00:36:15.740 To the United States

00:36:16.600 To a blue state

00:36:17.780 However

00:36:18.840 She's in flux right now

00:36:20.120 Because she has

00:36:20.760 An ethical dilemma

00:36:21.600 And she has

00:36:22.240 A business dilemma

00:36:23.060 And I feel for her

00:36:25.080 On all counts

00:36:26.500 But you know

00:36:27.680 The problem with

00:36:29.240 Trump is he makes

00:36:30.800 A lot of

00:36:31.380 Well seemingly

00:36:32.180 Rash decisions

00:36:33.080 Sometimes I think

00:36:33.740 He's just off the cuff

00:36:34.640 Seemingly

00:36:35.440 I think the Gaza comment

00:36:36.740 Was maybe premeditated

00:36:38.880 But the way he executed it

00:36:40.160 Based on the looks

00:36:42.520 On everybody in that room

00:36:43.740 Was off the cuff

00:36:44.800 But you know

00:36:46.200 A lot of I think

00:36:47.060 What he's going to do

00:36:47.960 Is going to be

00:36:49.080 Irresponsible

00:36:50.780 And you know

00:36:52.580 Just how he feels

00:36:53.880 Or just what comes

00:36:54.980 To top of mind

00:36:55.640 In the moment

00:36:56.100 So you

00:36:58.060 I live with you

00:37:00.280 Someone who is

00:37:01.220 Perpetually pessimistic

00:37:03.600 And thinking about

00:37:04.280 The worst possible scenario

00:37:05.520 I'm generally the opposite

00:37:07.000 I feel pretty

00:37:08.820 Calm

00:37:10.280 I mean there's

00:37:11.260 Lots to be worried about

00:37:12.160 But

00:37:12.460 There's not a whole lot

00:37:14.580 That we can do

00:37:15.800 To prepare

00:37:16.440 We just have to wait

00:37:17.380 And see how it

00:37:18.340 Rolls out

00:37:19.340 But my point is

00:37:20.680 False

00:37:21.140 We buy Canadian

00:37:22.260 Well of course

00:37:23.260 But buying Canadian

00:37:24.020 Is a lot easier

00:37:24.680 Than I think a lot of people

00:37:25.660 Consider

00:37:26.680 I mean I spend a lot of time

00:37:28.100 In food

00:37:29.980 Certainly

00:37:30.460 And it's not as difficult

00:37:32.000 As you might think

00:37:32.820 However

00:37:34.880 I just think that

00:37:37.000 You know

00:37:38.220 Just as a country

00:37:39.380 And whoever is going

00:37:40.300 To be representing us

00:37:41.120 Just needs to

00:37:42.280 Be a little bit more

00:37:43.620 Gratia

00:37:45.120 Yep

00:37:46.440 On the situation

00:37:47.240 One of the

00:37:48.100 Boldest things

00:37:49.780 You and I

00:37:50.520 Have talked about it

00:37:51.160 And I grew up with it

00:37:52.060 And he was my

00:37:52.700 Prime Minister

00:37:53.300 For my generation

00:37:54.580 But he said no

00:37:56.540 To the American

00:37:57.660 President

00:37:58.360 At a very crucial

00:37:59.760 Point in time

00:38:00.400 They didn't invade us

00:38:02.940 Nope

00:38:03.500 Nope

00:38:04.400 They did not

00:38:04.920 And they had

00:38:05.120 In my opinion

00:38:06.440 And some people

00:38:07.080 Might disagree

00:38:07.660 But in the

00:38:09.220 Many years

00:38:10.140 Since he's been

00:38:10.640 Out of office

00:38:11.220 I sure as hell

00:38:12.200 Will take a George W

00:38:13.100 Back in the United States

00:38:14.540 And he was

00:38:16.020 Slightly

00:38:16.620 Slightly a smarter

00:38:17.860 Individual

00:38:18.360 That Chrétien

00:38:19.940 Was saying no to

00:38:20.660 At that time

00:38:21.340 So is this one

00:38:23.000 Further

00:38:24.340 Off

00:38:25.400 You know

00:38:25.800 Out in the world

00:38:26.620 Of

00:38:27.020 Sort of

00:38:27.960 Psychopathy

00:38:28.620 Absolutely

00:38:29.460 But it's not to say

00:38:30.560 That we have to

00:38:31.080 Tiptoe around him

00:38:31.960 Just because of that

00:38:32.800 Look at all the

00:38:33.440 Dictators in the world

00:38:35.960 That we've tiptoed around

00:38:37.020 How's that worked out

00:38:37.880 Usually doesn't work out

00:38:39.600 Very well

00:38:40.040 Well this has worked out

00:38:41.400 Quite well

00:38:42.120 And you didn't insult me

00:38:43.760 As much as I expected you to

00:38:45.440 Mildly

00:38:45.740 Well there's still

00:38:46.240 How much time do we have left

00:38:47.120 Yeah

00:38:47.480 Okay

00:38:48.040 That segment's over

00:38:49.100 Thanks very much

00:38:49.800 For coming out

00:38:50.420 Anyway

00:38:51.200 E

00:38:51.560 Thank you

00:38:52.260 For your views

00:38:53.380 I suspect

00:38:54.220 Your views reflect that

00:38:55.660 Of many many Canadians

00:38:57.420 Mine maybe not so much

00:38:59.140 Keep your fan mail coming

00:39:00.460 Warren really gets upset

00:39:01.620 When people tell him

00:39:02.520 How much they enjoy

00:39:03.320 Me on the podcast

00:39:03.560 I don't like any

00:39:04.320 I just want them to like me

00:39:05.980 I don't want them to like

00:39:06.920 You know

00:39:07.280 You or Brian or anybody

00:39:08.560 I want them to like me

00:39:09.520 That's your problem

00:39:10.360 You want them to like you

00:39:11.460 Alright

00:39:11.940 Thank you E

00:39:13.420 Anytime

00:39:14.780 Bye bye

00:39:32.160 While I thought the lust

00:39:38.980 Were figured in the end

00:39:40.920 I'm lost, I live

00:39:42.920 The sharpest in the winds

00:39:44.980 You're good, forget

00:39:46.620 Confused eyes

00:39:48.340 Oh, save me

00:39:50.520 Forget me

00:39:52.600 I've been popular

00:39:54.300 Cowboy is on the ice

00:39:59.540 Sippin' I'll tell you

00:40:02.580 Well, it's best to live

00:40:05.420 It's a live, it's a live

00:40:07.540 Here I say

00:40:10.020 In head

00:40:11.060 The sharpest with the lust

00:40:13.000 You're fine, I'm nice

00:40:15.040 Enough to let you live

00:40:17.000 I'm lost, I live

00:40:19.040 The sharpest wind and wind

00:40:20.920 Oh, save me

00:40:22.600 Oh, save me

00:40:24.580 I thought the lust

00:40:27.080 Would feel good in the end

00:40:29.000 I'm lost, I live

00:40:31.060 The sharpest wind and wind

00:40:33.120 You're good, forget

00:40:34.960 Confused eyes

00:40:36.460 Oh, save me

00:40:38.580 Oh, save me

00:40:40.660 I've been popular

00:40:42.460 Cowboy is on the ice

00:40:47.840 Sippin' I'll show you

00:40:51.000 But it's best to live

00:40:53.520 Best to live

00:40:54.520 Best to live

00:40:55.560 Feel good in the fire

00:41:14.360 Kill what they've done for you

00:41:18.800 Drowning in the hard part

00:41:22.720 Cowboy for the mower, don't you

00:41:26.680 Fuckin' above your life

00:41:31.900 Cowboy in your fears

00:41:35.640 Tickin' I'll show you

00:41:38.760 But it's best to live

00:41:41.600 Best to live

00:41:42.640 Best to live

00:41:43.700 This is CFRA Live

00:42:02.240 Sunday Political Panel

00:42:04.040 And welcome to a time

00:42:09.600 For our CFRA Live

00:42:10.300 Sunday Political Panel

00:42:11.260 Joining us this morning

00:42:12.260 Is Tasha Carradine

00:42:13.200 Political columnist

00:42:13.920 For the National Post

00:42:14.720 Writer for GZERO Media

00:42:15.920 And an author

00:42:16.700 Tasha, good morning

00:42:17.680 Good morning

00:42:19.280 Warren Kinsella is here

00:42:20.560 Strategist and Post Media

00:42:21.560 Columnist

00:42:22.020 You can read his latest

00:42:22.880 In the Toronto Sun

00:42:23.880 Good morning, Warren

00:42:24.520 Morning, guys

00:42:25.700 And Carl Belanger

00:42:26.560 Is the president

00:42:27.120 At Traction Strategies

00:42:28.260 Good morning, Carl

00:42:28.900 Morning, everybody

00:42:29.820 So, I don't know

00:42:31.080 We've gone one week

00:42:31.800 Without a panic

00:42:32.480 Late night news conference

00:42:33.940 So that's good news

00:42:34.820 I suppose

00:42:35.360 But we did end up

00:42:36.620 Getting this 11th hour

00:42:37.600 Deal done

00:42:38.180 On, when was that

00:42:39.680 On Monday now

00:42:40.420 Which feels like

00:42:40.920 A year ago at this point

00:42:41.940 But we did get this done

00:42:43.280 There was kind of

00:42:43.740 A combination of

00:42:44.440 Previously announced

00:42:45.260 Things that the

00:42:46.320 Federal government

00:42:46.760 Said it was doing

00:42:47.400 At the border

00:42:48.000 Tasha, did you find

00:42:49.780 The federal government

00:42:50.340 Found the right balance

00:42:51.240 Here in terms of

00:42:51.980 Perhaps not giving away

00:42:53.100 The farm

00:42:53.600 But also trying to

00:42:54.880 Assage the concerns

00:42:56.280 Of the U.S. president

00:42:57.240 Well, I don't know

00:42:59.180 If we can ever

00:42:59.600 Fully assuage them

00:43:01.060 But we had announced

00:43:03.220 In December

00:43:03.960 That we were

00:43:04.540 In the economic statement

00:43:05.940 Going to drop

00:43:06.560 $1.3 billion

00:43:07.520 To secure our border

00:43:09.380 We also did something else

00:43:11.280 That wasn't mentioned

00:43:11.900 That's actually very important

00:43:12.980 Which is allow FinTrack

00:43:14.760 Which is the organization

00:43:16.240 That reports

00:43:17.400 Or surveils

00:43:18.740 Transactions by financial institutions

00:43:21.360 To cooperate, collaborate

00:43:23.200 And share data

00:43:24.020 With its compatriots

00:43:25.120 In the United States

00:43:26.140 So that's already happening

00:43:27.800 All this stuff

00:43:28.300 That was already happening

00:43:29.300 And that's very important

00:43:30.900 To combat money laundering

00:43:31.920 And I don't think Trump

00:43:32.840 Trump apparently

00:43:33.500 Wasn't aware of it

00:43:34.420 Trudeau said that

00:43:35.180 He didn't seem to know

00:43:36.100 No one had briefed him

00:43:37.060 That we were doing these things

00:43:38.200 So Trudeau's negotiation point

00:43:39.760 It's kind of ironic

00:43:41.080 Because we just said

00:43:41.800 We're doing what we said

00:43:42.920 We'd do anyway

00:43:43.600 Plus a fentanyl czar

00:43:45.480 Who we haven't named yet

00:43:47.160 And so I think

00:43:49.700 All things considered

00:43:51.200 The prime minister did well

00:43:53.160 Because we didn't actually

00:43:54.100 Give away anything

00:43:54.920 That we said

00:43:55.740 We weren't going to do

00:43:56.280 In the first place

00:43:56.840 Warren, is this the art

00:43:58.620 Of the deal for Canada

00:43:59.640 In terms of trying to

00:44:00.680 At least delay

00:44:01.620 What seems like

00:44:03.000 The inevitable here

00:44:03.840 Yeah

00:44:05.280 Well both Mexico

00:44:07.200 And Canada

00:44:08.140 Did the pause

00:44:10.120 In the imposition

00:44:11.720 Of the tariffs

00:44:12.560 And then stories

00:44:13.880 Started trickling out

00:44:14.960 As Tasha said

00:44:16.540 Saying that we basically

00:44:18.120 Agreed to do

00:44:19.400 What we were already doing

00:44:20.880 And like

00:44:22.520 We live in an era

00:44:23.740 Where when I started

00:44:24.560 To see those stories

00:44:25.360 I became nervous

00:44:26.220 About them

00:44:26.720 That Trump would see them

00:44:27.940 And then

00:44:28.440 You know

00:44:28.880 Lash out

00:44:29.640 Steve Bannon

00:44:30.900 Can tell you

00:44:31.440 All about what happens

00:44:32.440 When you

00:44:32.960 You look like

00:44:33.980 You're smarter

00:44:35.100 Or better than Trump

00:44:36.140 On the front page

00:44:36.880 Of Time magazine

00:44:37.560 You lose your job

00:44:38.540 So

00:44:39.560 That's not much

00:44:41.140 Of a way

00:44:41.620 To run

00:44:42.300 Relations

00:44:43.240 With our former

00:44:44.560 Best ally

00:44:45.640 And trading partner

00:44:46.840 I'm not

00:44:48.760 You know

00:44:49.720 I give a lot

00:44:50.540 Of credits

00:44:50.920 To the Prime Minister

00:44:51.780 And his team

00:44:53.240 Leading up to that

00:44:54.840 I'm not sure

00:44:56.580 What's going to happen

00:44:57.400 Now however

00:44:58.340 Like you say Andy

00:44:59.600 It feels like

00:45:00.180 A year ago

00:45:01.020 You know

00:45:02.740 Trudeau is going

00:45:03.560 To be leaving

00:45:04.140 Right around the time

00:45:05.880 Within days

00:45:07.160 Of this pause

00:45:08.740 Ending

00:45:09.500 And possibility

00:45:11.140 Of tariffs

00:45:11.680 Coming again

00:45:12.380 We're going to be

00:45:13.800 Heading into a situation

00:45:14.960 Where we have a guy

00:45:16.160 Almost certainly

00:45:17.700 Becoming Prime Minister

00:45:19.060 Who does not have a seat

00:45:20.300 In the House of Commons

00:45:21.240 We don't know

00:45:22.520 If he knows anything

00:45:23.720 About politics

00:45:24.560 Or how to deal

00:45:25.200 With somebody

00:45:25.660 Like Donald Trump

00:45:26.740 Like we're

00:45:27.800 To me

00:45:28.420 We're heading into

00:45:29.380 Actually even more

00:45:30.680 Uncertainty than we've had

00:45:32.400 Because at least

00:45:33.340 We knew

00:45:33.860 What Trudeau was like

00:45:35.520 And we knew

00:45:36.160 He was there

00:45:37.060 With some degree

00:45:37.780 Of legitimacy

00:45:38.480 That's not going to be

00:45:39.960 The case in the next

00:45:41.000 Few days

00:45:41.560 And that makes me nervous

00:45:42.780 Just an objective point

00:45:44.620 To add to that

00:45:45.200 It is insane

00:45:45.920 That Parliament

00:45:46.380 Is not sitting right now

00:45:47.460 During this time

00:45:48.360 You could say

00:45:48.880 You know

00:45:49.360 Whatever side

00:45:49.880 Of the political spectrum

00:45:50.540 We fall on

00:45:51.100 I just note

00:45:51.840 That it is crazy

00:45:52.520 That Parliament

00:45:53.000 Isn't sitting right now

00:45:53.980 Carl

00:45:54.560 Just back on the point

00:45:55.620 Of this deal here

00:45:56.780 Was this kind of

00:45:57.940 The perfect amount

00:45:58.840 Of kind of balance

00:45:59.700 Here that we needed

00:46:00.340 To at least get

00:46:00.960 Our breath

00:46:01.700 Without this tariff

00:46:02.980 Gun to our head

00:46:03.660 Well it worked

00:46:05.280 So I guess it was

00:46:06.220 Yeah fair fair

00:46:07.220 The truth is

00:46:08.940 You know

00:46:09.780 When you're dealing

00:46:10.940 With Donald Trump

00:46:11.740 You never know

00:46:13.040 You know

00:46:14.220 Mexico

00:46:14.660 It needed one call

00:46:15.880 For Canada

00:46:16.600 It needed two calls

00:46:17.520 Why

00:46:17.960 Well you know

00:46:19.180 Perhaps because

00:46:19.740 He didn't know

00:46:20.280 He had no idea

00:46:21.020 He had done these things

00:46:21.820 And he had to do

00:46:22.360 A couple of calls

00:46:24.440 To do his research

00:46:26.020 I mean

00:46:26.740 The guy is not

00:46:27.620 A reasonable guy

00:46:28.480 You know

00:46:29.360 Nobody actually knows

00:46:30.540 How to deal with him

00:46:31.780 The rampage

00:46:33.700 He's on leash

00:46:34.320 In the United States

00:46:35.220 You know

00:46:36.320 Shows that

00:46:37.200 It's not based

00:46:38.200 In reality

00:46:38.800 So how do you

00:46:40.340 Deal with that

00:46:40.980 Well you know

00:46:41.700 You try to make

00:46:42.320 The best of it

00:46:43.060 And you try to

00:46:43.920 Give him enough

00:46:45.460 So that he can go

00:46:46.280 And claim a win

00:46:46.980 Which he did

00:46:47.740 So he's winning

00:46:48.700 That's all that matters

00:46:49.880 To him

00:46:50.320 So as long as

00:46:51.520 He keeps winning

00:46:52.200 I guess we can

00:46:53.040 Delay those tariffs

00:46:54.280 That's the only approach

00:46:56.200 But you know

00:46:56.860 It cannot be based

00:46:57.740 In reasonable policy

00:46:58.700 Because as we know

00:47:00.180 When it comes to fentanyl

00:47:02.180 Which is the main reason

00:47:03.080 This tariffs

00:47:03.580 Were put in place

00:47:04.420 Canada is what

00:47:07.000 Like 40 kilos

00:47:08.000 Worse seized from Canada

00:47:09.080 By the United States

00:47:10.340 Compared to

00:47:11.480 I don't know how many

00:47:12.320 Tenths of thousands

00:47:13.340 From Mexico

00:47:14.080 It's not the same thing

00:47:15.500 At all

00:47:15.800 But he puts everything

00:47:17.080 In the same basket

00:47:17.800 He's blaming everyone

00:47:18.740 Else but himself

00:47:19.540 And it's going to be

00:47:20.660 Four years of this nonsense

00:47:21.820 And just to follow

00:47:23.480 On that Carl

00:47:23.920 Because we did hear

00:47:24.500 The Prime Minister

00:47:25.380 Caught in a hot mic

00:47:26.160 Which it seems

00:47:27.060 US media was very

00:47:28.120 Interested in that as well

00:47:29.020 But obviously Trudeau

00:47:30.220 Saying that the threat

00:47:31.280 From Donald Trump

00:47:32.140 Was real in his

00:47:33.080 Perceived mind as well

00:47:34.280 Is there any doubt

00:47:35.600 That this was real

00:47:36.540 In your mind

00:47:37.120 What do you make

00:47:38.180 Of this whole

00:47:38.560 51st state thing

00:47:39.520 Well I mean

00:47:41.640 It's real

00:47:43.800 But I don't think

00:47:45.480 That it will happen

00:47:47.100 In the way that

00:47:48.260 People fear

00:47:49.280 The thing is that

00:47:51.980 I think it started

00:47:53.060 As a joke

00:47:53.780 I really do

00:47:55.020 And then it became

00:47:56.240 A real thing

00:47:57.460 In his mind

00:47:58.300 I think he really

00:47:59.900 Believes that

00:48:00.500 Canadians would be

00:48:01.480 Better off as

00:48:02.240 Part of the United States

00:48:03.600 And that Canadians

00:48:04.220 Actually want that

00:48:05.480 So of course

00:48:07.280 You have to take it

00:48:07.840 Seriously

00:48:08.120 The guy is the

00:48:08.760 President of the

00:48:09.200 United States

00:48:09.780 And he has

00:48:10.300 He has the button

00:48:11.340 You know

00:48:12.120 He can just

00:48:13.100 Do whatever he wants

00:48:14.820 As far as

00:48:16.100 As is concerned

00:48:17.260 And that's what

00:48:17.880 He's doing

00:48:18.360 And yeah

00:48:19.560 Of course you have

00:48:20.180 To take this seriously

00:48:20.980 And Warren

00:48:22.160 It was actually

00:48:22.600 It was just around

00:48:23.220 This time last Sunday

00:48:23.900 The President put out

00:48:24.600 This message saying

00:48:25.260 Hey basically

00:48:25.840 If Canada

00:48:26.280 If you don't want

00:48:26.840 Tariffs become

00:48:27.500 The 51st state

00:48:28.440 Now J.D. Vance

00:48:29.360 A couple hours later

00:48:30.060 Had to come clean it up

00:48:30.840 On social media

00:48:31.460 And mention that

00:48:32.120 Whole border and

00:48:32.820 Fentanyl thing

00:48:33.400 Once again

00:48:33.940 But is this real

00:48:35.460 In your mind

00:48:36.080 Do you have the

00:48:36.500 Prime Minister's

00:48:37.000 Same sense on this

00:48:37.720 Or what do you

00:48:38.320 Make of it

00:48:38.780 It's all bogus

00:48:40.480 You know

00:48:41.400 The fentanyl thing

00:48:43.000 It's not even

00:48:44.640 40 pounds of it

00:48:45.780 Caught in the last

00:48:46.680 Fiscal

00:48:47.080 It's less than that

00:48:48.160 As we learned

00:48:49.100 This week

00:48:49.520 From the Globe and Mail

00:48:50.400 That a third

00:48:51.140 Of that number

00:48:51.960 Was in Spokane

00:48:53.620 Which is 150 miles

00:48:54.840 From the Canadian border

00:48:56.200 He's claimed

00:48:57.500 It's about illegal immigrants

00:48:58.860 You know

00:48:59.660 We're less than

00:49:00.720 1% of the illegal

00:49:01.980 Immigrants

00:49:03.420 Who come

00:49:03.940 Into the United States

00:49:05.480 The vast majority

00:49:06.740 Come from the south

00:49:07.520 As we all know

00:49:08.260 He claimed

00:49:09.160 It was banks

00:49:09.800 American banks

00:49:10.920 Operate here

00:49:11.740 He claimed

00:49:12.520 It was dairy

00:49:13.400 He said

00:49:14.740 It was military

00:49:15.640 Like he's a liar

00:49:16.960 Like he lies

00:49:18.100 All the time

00:49:18.920 And you know

00:49:20.260 Everybody knows it

00:49:21.260 I think

00:49:21.840 You know

00:49:22.900 The simplest explanation

00:49:24.160 In politics

00:49:24.840 Is usually the best one

00:49:26.320 And the explanation

00:49:27.960 That he's given

00:49:29.020 For his interest

00:49:30.160 In making us

00:49:30.880 The 51st state

00:49:31.880 As you point out

00:49:32.780 Is he just wants it

00:49:34.680 Like he wants

00:49:35.820 Greenland

00:49:36.440 And he wants Panama

00:49:37.600 And he's got designs

00:49:39.340 On other places

00:49:40.200 As well

00:49:41.280 That's

00:49:42.100 He wants to expand

00:49:43.340 The territory

00:49:44.160 Of the United States

00:49:45.380 Of America

00:49:46.020 And he'll cook up

00:49:47.380 Whatever excuse

00:49:48.280 He can think of

00:49:49.260 So this is why

00:49:50.280 I kind of

00:49:50.840 I found it disgusting

00:49:51.900 That there were

00:49:52.680 Canadians

00:49:53.140 Like Danielle Smith

00:49:54.160 Actually attempting

00:49:55.520 To justify his madness

00:49:57.180 He was lying

00:49:58.720 All along

00:49:59.420 He wants Canada

00:50:00.960 He wants to turn us

00:50:02.140 Into a 51st state

00:50:03.760 He said so

00:50:04.800 That's the real reason

00:50:05.940 I wonder if there's

00:50:07.180 Other things

00:50:07.800 On Danielle Smith's plate

00:50:08.740 Now that might

00:50:09.320 Have him away

00:50:10.060 From this issue

00:50:10.740 At this moment

00:50:11.320 But Tasha

00:50:12.520 Just on this

00:50:13.260 51st state point

00:50:14.060 What do you make

00:50:15.340 Of it

00:50:15.520 Like I said

00:50:15.880 We've been going

00:50:16.240 Back and forth

00:50:16.800 But to Warren's point

00:50:17.580 Two

00:50:17.820 There's been so many

00:50:19.080 Different things

00:50:19.900 Said that don't

00:50:20.420 Really make sense

00:50:21.180 Is this threat

00:50:22.100 Real do you think

00:50:22.880 Yes

00:50:24.420 I think it is

00:50:25.380 And I agree

00:50:25.820 100% with Warren

00:50:26.700 The rest of it

00:50:27.360 Is a smokescreen

00:50:29.020 It's

00:50:29.780 You know

00:50:30.820 It's a useful

00:50:31.800 Way to

00:50:32.700 Deal with it

00:50:34.380 Because he's had

00:50:35.000 The same issue

00:50:35.480 With Mexico

00:50:35.960 So he lumped us

00:50:36.720 Into that basket

00:50:37.440 But the reality

00:50:38.020 Is

00:50:38.460 Canada has

00:50:40.500 A lot of what

00:50:41.400 The US would want

00:50:42.280 And the biggest

00:50:43.380 Reason though

00:50:44.060 Is that geopolitically

00:50:45.620 We sit on

00:50:46.640 The border of Russia

00:50:47.820 The you know

00:50:49.180 The Northwest Passage

00:50:50.160 Because of climate change

00:50:51.260 The ice is melting

00:50:52.860 We're seeing

00:50:53.780 A much greater ability

00:50:55.360 To transit that waterway

00:50:56.800 We are going to be

00:50:57.820 The border

00:50:58.280 We are right now

00:50:59.440 And our country

00:51:00.900 Has you know

00:51:02.100 Limited defense capacity

00:51:04.100 Domestically

00:51:04.680 But if we were part

00:51:05.260 Of the United States

00:51:06.060 They could just do

00:51:06.580 Whatever they wanted

00:51:07.280 And they know that

00:51:09.220 And the other issue

00:51:10.380 Is that we have allowed

00:51:11.880 And this is

00:51:12.680 You know

00:51:13.100 Multiple governments

00:51:13.960 Have allowed

00:51:14.440 Our country

00:51:15.780 To be a subject

00:51:17.200 Of foreign infiltration

00:51:18.540 By China

00:51:20.620 By you know

00:51:21.760 Even India

00:51:22.500 Russia

00:51:22.880 But mostly China

00:51:23.960 That makes Donald Trump

00:51:25.420 Very nervous too

00:51:26.600 One way to combat that

00:51:28.660 Is basically

00:51:29.560 Take over Canada

00:51:30.420 And not allow

00:51:31.360 These things to happen

00:51:32.220 Expand the ability

00:51:34.540 Of law enforcement

00:51:35.400 In the US

00:51:35.880 To deal with it

00:51:36.580 They've dealt with a lot

00:51:37.500 Of they've arrested

00:51:38.360 Quite a few people

00:51:39.000 Of the US

00:51:39.560 At high levels

00:51:40.800 Who were actually

00:51:42.040 Agents of the

00:51:42.620 Chinese government

00:51:43.220 So it is

00:51:44.940 There's a lot

00:51:46.060 Of other stuff

00:51:46.980 Going on

00:51:47.560 That make Canada

00:51:48.360 You know

00:51:48.960 As an independent nation

00:51:50.560 Not a good thing

00:51:51.800 For the United States

00:51:52.640 And I think that goes

00:51:53.280 To what Warren

00:51:53.780 Is saying

00:51:54.140 Is that

00:51:54.500 Trump says

00:51:55.120 Okay I want to

00:51:55.760 Expand my territory

00:51:56.620 To places that are

00:51:57.760 Useful to me

00:51:59.220 And my country

00:51:59.960 So Panama

00:52:00.980 Greenland would be great

00:52:02.840 Yeah we got to

00:52:03.540 Take Canada

00:52:04.120 Because they're a problem

00:52:05.060 I mean this is

00:52:06.280 How he thinks

00:52:06.820 So you know

00:52:08.920 It actually is a threat

00:52:10.280 We have to take it

00:52:11.220 Seriously

00:52:11.600 I think Canadians

00:52:12.780 Are taking it seriously

00:52:13.620 And the only silver

00:52:14.400 Lining here

00:52:14.920 Is that we have seen

00:52:15.620 A resurgence of

00:52:16.280 Patriotism in this

00:52:17.040 Country that we

00:52:17.520 Haven't seen

00:52:18.040 In ages

00:52:18.800 Because people

00:52:19.440 Really finally

00:52:19.960 Are waking up

00:52:20.560 And going

00:52:20.900 Gee

00:52:21.300 Maybe they're

00:52:22.540 Not our friend

00:52:23.140 Yeah I think

00:52:24.520 It's unfortunate

00:52:25.120 That it took this

00:52:26.000 To get that push

00:52:26.600 For patriotism

00:52:27.660 But hey I guess

00:52:28.280 You take it

00:52:28.920 What you can get

00:52:29.620 At this point

00:52:30.100 I wanted to

00:52:31.140 Change gears a little

00:52:31.900 Bit here

00:52:32.180 Back on the

00:52:32.800 Kind of federal

00:52:33.720 Horse race

00:52:34.600 In some ways

00:52:35.160 We've seen

00:52:35.520 So a couple of

00:52:36.220 Weeks ago

00:52:36.480 Right we saw

00:52:36.900 This ECOS poll

00:52:37.640 And it was

00:52:38.000 Kind of showing

00:52:38.440 The liberals

00:52:38.760 I've been saying

00:52:39.560 That okay be

00:52:40.160 Careful this

00:52:40.640 Isn't an outlier

00:52:41.280 But we've seen

00:52:42.080 Other kind of

00:52:42.620 Pollsters kind of

00:52:43.240 Follow up here

00:52:43.740 And the race

00:52:44.220 Is tightening

00:52:44.800 Warren I know

00:52:45.860 You wrote a little

00:52:46.420 Bit about this

00:52:46.960 This week

00:52:47.300 Just what do you

00:52:48.020 Get the sense

00:52:48.460 Of why the polls

00:52:49.060 Are tightening up

00:52:49.640 And why Pierre Polyev

00:52:51.060 Is losing his lead

00:52:51.800 In some ways

00:52:52.380 Well somewhere

00:52:53.800 ECOS Frank Graves

00:52:55.420 Is smiling

00:52:56.100 Yeah no kidding

00:52:57.420 Because everybody

00:52:58.860 Else has been

00:52:59.600 Heading to his

00:53:00.400 Position you know

00:53:01.260 If you look

00:53:01.580 At some polls

00:53:02.320 The conservative

00:53:03.300 Party has been

00:53:03.960 Losing about

00:53:04.480 Three points a

00:53:05.340 Week for a

00:53:06.380 Number of weeks

00:53:07.140 Now so it's

00:53:09.060 Turning into

00:53:10.440 A competitive

00:53:11.720 Race and I

00:53:14.720 Think the biggest

00:53:15.540 Reason for that

00:53:16.360 Is and Pierre

00:53:17.100 Polyev or

00:53:18.140 Mark Carney

00:53:19.040 It's Donald

00:53:20.080 Trump and

00:53:20.800 That's the

00:53:21.220 Column I've

00:53:21.860 Got in post

00:53:22.500 Media today

00:53:23.420 Is at the

00:53:25.100 End of the

00:53:25.440 Day you

00:53:26.260 Know I

00:53:27.020 Conclude the

00:53:27.600 Column by

00:53:28.060 Saying not

00:53:28.560 Every conservative

00:53:30.960 In Canada is

00:53:32.300 A trump fan

00:53:33.000 But every

00:53:34.020 Canadian trump

00:53:34.840 Fan is a

00:53:36.120 Conservative

00:53:36.620 And voters

00:53:38.240 Know that

00:53:38.960 And they

00:53:39.800 Sense that

00:53:40.840 A significant

00:53:41.800 Chunk of the

00:53:43.100 Conservative

00:53:43.600 Membership and

00:53:44.580 Maybe even

00:53:45.100 Its caucus

00:53:45.860 Are supporters

00:53:47.460 Either secretly

00:53:48.960 Or overtly of

00:53:50.120 Donald Trump

00:53:50.780 And they

00:53:51.480 Don't like

00:53:51.800 That because

00:53:52.620 They now see

00:53:53.260 Donald Trump

00:53:53.940 As an

00:53:54.440 Existential threat

00:53:55.380 To this

00:53:55.760 Country

00:53:56.160 He's the

00:53:57.060 Enemy

00:53:57.340 So you

00:53:58.480 Have to

00:53:58.900 Choose lanes

00:53:59.820 And so this

00:54:01.180 Traditional position

00:54:02.980 That the

00:54:03.440 Conservative

00:54:03.820 Party had

00:54:04.380 Taken on

00:54:06.120 Trump is

00:54:07.180 Not available

00:54:07.780 To them

00:54:08.200 Anymore

00:54:08.560 Like the

00:54:08.940 Liberal war

00:54:09.480 Room is

00:54:09.800 Sitting there

00:54:10.200 Guys I

00:54:10.660 Guarantee you

00:54:11.340 Getting ready

00:54:12.420 To deploy all

00:54:13.400 Kinds of

00:54:13.900 Kinds of

00:54:13.920 Shots of

00:54:14.920 Members of

00:54:15.380 Members of

00:54:15.400 The Conservative

00:54:15.920 Caucus and

00:54:16.840 Key advisors

00:54:17.880 Of Mr.

00:54:18.580 Polyev wearing

00:54:19.780 Make America

00:54:20.560 Great Again

00:54:21.220 Ball caps

00:54:22.020 Like they

00:54:22.980 Are going to

00:54:23.640 Tattoo the

00:54:24.800 Conservative

00:54:25.280 Side with

00:54:26.040 This suggestion

00:54:27.980 And right

00:54:29.160 Now I

00:54:30.040 Don't get the

00:54:30.780 Sense that

00:54:31.260 Polyev has a

00:54:32.240 Compelling

00:54:32.740 Argument against

00:54:33.720 It you know

00:54:34.760 He's got a

00:54:35.380 Good plan I

00:54:36.080 Think for

00:54:36.680 Dealing with

00:54:37.160 Tariffs but

00:54:38.360 He hasn't

00:54:38.900 Addressed the

00:54:39.540 Key point which

00:54:40.920 Is Pierre

00:54:41.620 Polyev will

00:54:42.460 You accept

00:54:43.220 That Donald

00:54:44.180 Trump is

00:54:45.160 Our adversary

00:54:46.460 Will you

00:54:47.300 Answer that

00:54:48.420 Yes or no

00:54:49.200 And he

00:54:49.620 Hasn't done

00:54:50.080 That

00:54:50.360 It's been

00:54:51.460 Interesting to

00:54:51.860 Watch too

00:54:52.240 Because it's

00:54:52.720 Been very

00:54:53.060 Different for

00:54:53.600 Doug Ford

00:54:54.140 This week

00:54:54.440 But I was

00:54:54.720 Just seeing a

00:54:55.260 Note here from

00:54:55.840 Abacus Data

00:54:56.620 Showing that

00:54:57.260 That hot

00:54:57.680 Mic moment

00:54:58.080 That he had

00:54:58.540 This week

00:54:58.880 In terms of

00:54:59.360 Supporting

00:55:00.140 Trump might

00:55:00.580 Be a little

00:55:00.940 Bit of a

00:55:01.280 Turning point

00:55:01.760 They're not

00:55:02.140 In any

00:55:02.620 Danger I

00:55:03.280 Will say

00:55:03.680 At this

00:55:04.060 Point but

00:55:04.480 It's just

00:55:05.160 Kind of

00:55:05.380 Showing up

00:55:05.740 In the

00:55:05.920 Polls is

00:55:06.340 What they

00:55:06.620 Are kind

00:55:06.900 Of saying

00:55:07.240 Tasha

00:55:08.240 I guess

00:55:08.780 You know

00:55:09.240 Pierre Polyev

00:55:09.700 Has been

00:55:10.080 Kind of

00:55:10.360 Pushed to

00:55:10.740 The side

00:55:11.160 Here effectively

00:55:11.740 Because of

00:55:12.240 The kind

00:55:12.720 Of crisis

00:55:13.100 That we

00:55:13.440 Do find

00:55:13.780 Ourselves in

00:55:14.280 So it

00:55:14.960 Feels like

00:55:15.280 There has

00:55:15.720 Been a

00:55:16.020 Bit of

00:55:16.300 A soft

00:55:16.660 Rebrand

00:55:17.100 Just your

00:55:18.100 Thoughts

00:55:18.460 On where

00:55:18.920 He needs

00:55:19.360 To go

00:55:19.560 From here

00:55:19.860 To get

00:55:20.140 Back to

00:55:20.560 Connecting

00:55:20.980 With

00:55:21.160 Canadians

00:55:21.760 Well they

00:55:23.740 Are rebranding

00:55:24.380 They've been

00:55:24.820 Testing messages

00:55:25.720 They're having

00:55:26.500 A rally

00:55:26.980 In Ottawa

00:55:27.620 Next

00:55:28.160 Saturday

00:55:29.060 Called the

00:55:30.420 Canada

00:55:30.680 First

00:55:31.120 Rally

00:55:31.920 And they've

00:55:32.740 Been promoting

00:55:33.100 It heavily

00:55:33.440 On social

00:55:35.040 Media

00:55:35.380 They've been

00:55:35.760 Promoting it

00:55:36.340 To their

00:55:37.680 Own people

00:55:38.160 And they

00:55:39.520 Are promoting

00:55:40.040 It to

00:55:40.480 Getting people

00:55:41.360 Out to

00:55:41.860 Show exactly

00:55:42.520 That

00:55:42.720 Wrap themselves

00:55:43.240 In the

00:55:43.500 Flag

00:55:43.820 And show

00:55:44.600 That Polyev

00:55:45.480 Can be

00:55:45.760 Captain

00:55:46.140 Canada

00:55:46.620 That Canada

00:55:47.160 Needs

00:55:47.640 They know

00:55:50.140 This is a

00:55:50.600 Problem

00:55:50.900 Because exactly

00:55:51.820 What Warren

00:55:52.200 Said that

00:55:52.660 Polls show

00:55:54.200 Quite clearly

00:55:54.740 That if you

00:55:55.200 Do if you

00:55:55.880 Ask people

00:55:56.300 Before the

00:55:56.680 Election

00:55:57.040 Before the

00:55:58.160 Election

00:55:58.400 Mind you

00:55:58.700 But you

00:55:59.280 Know do

00:55:59.580 You think

00:56:00.720 It's better

00:56:01.220 Do you

00:56:01.600 Like trump

00:56:02.060 There's a

00:56:02.680 Higher

00:56:02.860 Percentage

00:56:03.300 Of

00:56:03.400 Conservatives

00:56:03.980 Much higher

00:56:04.740 Percentage

00:56:05.080 Of conservative

00:56:05.660 Voters

00:56:06.000 And other

00:56:06.340 Parties

00:56:06.700 That said

00:56:07.000 Yeah

00:56:07.180 They did

00:56:07.620 They didn't

00:56:08.240 Want Harris

00:56:08.940 To win

00:56:09.400 So it

00:56:11.180 Is he's

00:56:12.040 Got to

00:56:12.320 Shake that

00:56:12.680 Off

00:56:12.940 Now the

00:56:13.580 Way to

00:56:13.860 Shake it

00:56:14.180 Off is

00:56:14.520 To be

00:56:15.180 Decisive

00:56:15.660 You've

00:56:15.880 Got to

00:56:16.040 Be exactly

00:56:16.600 That

00:56:16.840 You've

00:56:17.020 Got to

00:56:17.200 Say you

00:56:17.940 Know what

00:56:18.280 These

00:56:19.460 These guys

00:56:19.780 Are not

00:56:20.080 A friend

00:56:20.420 And we

00:56:21.120 Have to

00:56:21.360 Stand up

00:56:21.820 And we

00:56:22.120 Have to

00:56:22.420 Be tough

00:56:22.880 And the

00:56:24.180 Problem he'll

00:56:24.860 Face is not

00:56:25.620 Even so much

00:56:26.120 External at

00:56:26.900 This point

00:56:27.220 It's internal

00:56:27.800 Which becomes

00:56:28.560 An external

00:56:28.980 Problem right

00:56:29.800 It is all

00:56:30.320 Those things

00:56:30.660 It's Candace

00:56:31.180 Bergen in a

00:56:31.740 MAGA hat

00:56:32.240 I mean that

00:56:32.760 Photo has been

00:56:33.380 Circulating for

00:56:33.980 Years frankly

00:56:34.740 She's a

00:56:35.460 Former

00:56:35.800 You know

00:56:36.500 Former

00:56:36.960 Interim

00:56:37.820 Leader of

00:56:38.560 The party

00:56:38.940 So you've

00:56:39.960 Got to

00:56:40.160 Dispel that

00:56:40.800 And the

00:56:41.340 Only way to

00:56:41.680 Dispel that

00:56:42.100 Is to

00:56:42.320 Repudiate

00:56:42.800 And the

00:56:43.240 Problem is I

00:56:43.660 Don't know if

00:56:43.940 His base in

00:56:44.980 Some parts of

00:56:45.440 The country

00:56:45.640 Will fully

00:56:46.100 Allow him

00:56:46.440 To do

00:56:46.660 That

00:56:46.900 So he's

00:56:49.200 Got a

00:56:49.640 He's got a

00:56:50.420 Challenge

00:56:50.740 Let's just

00:56:51.080 Put it that

00:56:51.480 Way I

00:56:51.840 Just don't

00:56:52.100 Know if the

00:56:52.360 Runway is

00:56:52.780 Long enough

00:56:53.240 For it to

00:56:54.140 Make a huge

00:56:54.940 Difference because

00:56:55.460 The election

00:56:55.880 Could come

00:56:56.280 Very soon

00:56:56.780 And Carl

00:56:58.420 Just a

00:56:58.860 Pure obviously

00:56:59.500 Or pure

00:56:59.900 Probably

00:57:00.120 Obviously

00:57:00.480 Trying to

00:57:01.220 Get a

00:57:02.120 Different

00:57:02.440 Message out

00:57:03.140 There

00:57:03.380 How difficult

00:57:04.500 Is it going

00:57:05.020 To be for

00:57:05.420 Him to

00:57:05.880 I guess

00:57:06.400 Get more

00:57:07.160 Attention in

00:57:07.780 This moment

00:57:08.240 Of you know

00:57:08.940 Well one

00:57:09.440 National unity

00:57:10.100 But also

00:57:10.620 With the

00:57:10.980 Focus on

00:57:11.400 The federal

00:57:11.880 Government

00:57:12.120 And the

00:57:12.360 Current

00:57:12.520 Prime

00:57:12.720 Minister

00:57:12.960 It's very

00:57:13.980 Difficult

00:57:14.380 Because his

00:57:15.220 Temptation

00:57:15.880 Is always

00:57:16.520 To go

00:57:16.860 After the

00:57:17.240 Trudeau

00:57:17.460 Government

00:57:17.760 And you

00:57:18.100 You've

00:57:18.700 Seen it

00:57:19.100 He's toned

00:57:19.600 It down

00:57:19.920 A little

00:57:20.180 Bit

00:57:20.380 But right

00:57:21.320 Now

00:57:21.660 Every time

00:57:22.200 You attack

00:57:22.500 The government

00:57:22.940 You attack

00:57:23.320 The country

00:57:23.800 That's what

00:57:24.600 That's how

00:57:25.060 People feel

00:57:25.720 And so

00:57:27.440 For Poirier

00:57:28.520 He's kind

00:57:29.620 Of been

00:57:29.880 Caught

00:57:30.220 Between a

00:57:30.920 Rock

00:57:31.140 And a

00:57:31.360 Hard

00:57:31.560 Place

00:57:31.860 Also

00:57:32.600 Because

00:57:33.140 Frankly

00:57:34.040 Before

00:57:35.140 All of

00:57:36.380 This

00:57:36.600 Before

00:57:37.100 Trump

00:57:38.080 Went in

00:57:38.680 Crazy

00:57:39.300 Overdrive

00:57:39.940 Canadians

00:57:41.200 Saw Pierre

00:57:41.700 Poirier

00:57:41.940 As the

00:57:42.420 Best

00:57:42.860 Politician

00:57:43.660 To handle

00:57:44.100 Donald

00:57:44.380 Trump

00:57:44.640 They thought

00:57:45.060 You know

00:57:45.380 They agree

00:57:46.360 On a few

00:57:46.760 Things

00:57:47.240 They can't

00:57:47.700 Assign

00:57:48.040 Kind of

00:57:48.500 Political

00:57:49.080 Ideology

00:57:49.800 Or movement

00:57:50.380 You know

00:57:50.780 They'll be

00:57:51.040 Buddy

00:57:51.260 Buddy

00:57:51.500 And they'll

00:57:51.820 Be fine

00:57:52.440 But that

00:57:53.360 Was before

00:57:54.080 Trump

00:57:54.940 Announced

00:57:55.580 These

00:57:55.860 Tariff

00:57:56.780 Stats

00:57:57.240 It was

00:57:58.240 Before

00:57:58.800 Trump

00:57:59.500 Became

00:57:59.900 The enemy

00:58:00.380 And so

00:58:01.040 So you know

00:58:02.260 Maybe if they

00:58:02.880 Talk about the

00:58:03.340 Carbon tax a few

00:58:04.080 More times

00:58:04.540 It will work

00:58:05.260 I don't know

00:58:06.200 I think they're

00:58:07.220 Being cut by

00:58:07.980 That

00:58:08.280 And it's

00:58:08.860 Problematic

00:58:09.440 They need to

00:58:09.980 Refocus

00:58:10.660 But also

00:58:12.860 Of course

00:58:13.460 Polls are

00:58:14.220 You know

00:58:14.720 A snapshot

00:58:15.220 Of what's

00:58:15.740 Happening now

00:58:16.480 And a lot

00:58:17.400 Of people

00:58:17.800 Were quite

00:58:19.220 Happy to see

00:58:19.840 Justin Trudeau

00:58:20.460 Resign

00:58:20.880 And so

00:58:21.520 You know

00:58:21.820 Just as we've

00:58:22.280 Seen before

00:58:22.820 When a political

00:58:23.820 Party

00:58:24.240 You know

00:58:25.000 Change leader

00:58:25.720 Or is in the

00:58:26.240 Issue process

00:58:26.740 People can

00:58:27.940 Project whatever

00:58:28.980 Aspiration they

00:58:29.760 Have on the

00:58:30.220 Next leader

00:58:30.740 So that

00:58:31.820 Will create

00:58:32.360 A bounce

00:58:33.220 That's what

00:58:33.660 We're seeing

00:58:34.120 Right now

00:58:34.660 Is it

00:58:34.940 Sustainable

00:58:35.400 In the

00:58:35.660 Long run

00:58:36.020 We don't

00:58:36.740 Know

00:58:37.000 Mark Carney

00:58:38.040 Has not

00:58:38.500 Really been

00:58:38.860 Tested

00:58:39.460 And

00:58:40.480 Chrystia Freeland

00:58:41.100 Of course

00:58:41.680 Everything she's

00:58:43.720 Putting

00:58:43.980 You know

00:58:44.760 Forward as a

00:58:46.440 Policy

00:58:46.840 People are

00:58:47.920 Wondering

00:58:49.280 Why did

00:58:50.080 You do

00:58:50.380 That

00:58:50.620 You were

00:58:51.900 In power

00:58:52.320 For all

00:58:52.760 These years

00:58:53.240 So

00:58:54.140 You know

00:58:55.220 The thing

00:58:56.020 The thing

00:58:56.860 The conservatives

00:58:57.260 Cannot do

00:58:57.900 Is panic

00:58:58.680 And right

00:58:59.800 Now I think

00:59:00.340 You can feel

00:59:01.060 That they're

00:59:01.760 Panicking a little

00:59:02.680 Bit

00:59:02.940 And if they

00:59:03.680 Panic

00:59:04.060 They'll just

00:59:04.580 Go in a

00:59:04.920 Tailspin

00:59:05.600 And you

00:59:06.040 Kind of

00:59:06.220 Reference it

00:59:06.660 There a

00:59:06.920 Little bit

00:59:07.140 In terms of

00:59:07.640 The liberal

00:59:08.260 Leadership race

00:59:09.060 Carl

00:59:09.240 So I wanted

00:59:09.520 To get to

00:59:09.820 That

00:59:09.980 I'll start

00:59:10.300 With you

00:59:10.600 On that

00:59:11.000 Just

00:59:11.180 You know

00:59:11.640 Mark Carney

00:59:12.020 Has been

00:59:12.280 Kind of

00:59:12.600 Put forward

00:59:13.920 As the

00:59:14.420 Forerunner

00:59:14.900 At this

00:59:15.180 Point

00:59:15.340 We still

00:59:15.880 Haven't

00:59:16.400 Heard him

00:59:16.920 Done

00:59:17.100 You know

00:59:17.400 Extensive

00:59:17.720 Media

00:59:17.960 Interviews

00:59:18.340 Particularly

00:59:18.740 In Quebec

00:59:19.460 As well

00:59:19.960 Is this

00:59:20.800 A good

00:59:21.200 Strategy

00:59:21.660 For him

00:59:22.080 In this

00:59:22.360 Time

00:59:22.620 Is to

00:59:22.900 Just kind

00:59:23.260 Of stay

00:59:23.560 Quiet

00:59:23.860 And wait

00:59:24.140 Till the

00:59:24.380 Leadership race

00:59:24.920 Is over

00:59:25.220 Or could

00:59:25.620 He do

00:59:25.880 Better to

00:59:26.520 I suppose

00:59:27.460 Get out

00:59:27.820 There

00:59:28.040 Well I mean

00:59:29.860 It's working

00:59:30.600 For him

00:59:31.060 Right now

00:59:31.600 So you

00:59:32.100 Know you

00:59:32.380 Stay the

00:59:32.800 Course

00:59:33.140 But there

00:59:34.080 Are some

00:59:34.620 Some clouds

00:59:35.440 Ahead of

00:59:35.980 Course

00:59:36.300 But the

00:59:37.120 Thing is

00:59:37.420 That he

00:59:37.820 Should use

00:59:38.820 The leadership

00:59:39.860 Race as a

00:59:41.020 Training ground

00:59:41.580 For the

00:59:41.980 Election

00:59:42.260 That he

00:59:42.720 You know

00:59:43.300 Wants to

00:59:44.700 Call before

00:59:45.420 Parliament is

00:59:45.960 Recalled

00:59:46.480 Because that's

00:59:47.160 What he

00:59:47.560 He into

00:59:48.380 That

00:59:48.720 If he's

00:59:50.980 Not using

00:59:51.560 The leadership

00:59:51.940 Race to

00:59:52.500 Do these

00:59:53.180 Interviews

00:59:53.980 To

00:59:54.560 You know

00:59:55.980 Practice his

00:59:56.600 Craft

00:59:57.100 He's going

00:59:57.960 To have a

00:59:58.300 Rough time

00:59:58.820 Come election

00:59:59.320 Time because

01:00:00.040 The attacks

01:00:00.600 Will be

01:00:00.920 Coming

01:00:01.320 Fast and

01:00:02.320 Furious

01:00:02.740 And he

01:00:03.280 Won't be

01:00:03.640 Prepared

01:00:04.040 And he

01:00:04.400 Won't be

01:00:04.720 Ready

01:00:05.000 And you

01:00:05.820 Saw a few

01:00:06.220 Bumps here

01:00:06.760 Already at

01:00:07.880 The beginning

01:00:08.160 Of his race

01:00:09.720 When he

01:00:10.040 Announced his

01:00:10.480 Leadership run

01:00:11.260 That was not

01:00:12.320 Perfect

01:00:12.740 That was far

01:00:13.340 From perfect

01:00:13.980 He can get

01:00:14.780 Away with it

01:00:15.280 Within the

01:00:15.620 Liberal party

01:00:16.160 But can he

01:00:16.640 Get away with it

01:00:17.360 Once we

01:00:18.240 Faced the

01:00:18.840 Entire electorate

01:00:19.600 I'm not sure

01:00:20.180 Yeah and that

01:00:20.980 Was kind of

01:00:21.280 My thought in

01:00:21.660 The media

01:00:21.980 Interviews too

01:00:22.500 You can

01:00:22.820 Kind of

01:00:23.080 Get away

01:00:23.360 With it

01:00:23.600 Right now

01:00:23.980 But it's

01:00:24.260 Not good

01:00:24.620 For the

01:00:25.260 Kind of

01:00:26.140 Full court

01:00:26.580 Press that

01:00:27.020 You're going

01:00:27.260 To get

01:00:27.540 Eventually here

01:00:28.140 Warren just

01:00:29.020 On that point

01:00:29.420 I don't want

01:00:29.740 To leave behind

01:00:30.240 Christopher

01:00:30.560 Freeland in

01:00:30.940 Another sense

01:00:31.460 Too because

01:00:31.880 They are

01:00:32.280 Very much

01:00:32.660 At the top

01:00:33.060 Of the ticket

01:00:33.420 It seems

01:00:33.860 To be a

01:00:34.220 Two horse

01:00:34.860 Race here

01:00:35.240 With Carney

01:00:35.900 In the lead

01:00:36.340 Bege

01:00:37.120 Doesn't appear

01:00:37.800 As a big

01:00:38.380 Fan of

01:00:39.360 Freeland

01:00:39.820 At this

01:00:40.120 Point either

01:00:40.520 Based on

01:00:40.940 What we've

01:00:41.260 Learned this

01:00:41.600 Week too

01:00:41.980 Your thoughts

01:00:43.020 On how the

01:00:43.660 Carney versus

01:00:44.200 Freeland race

01:00:44.800 Has been shaping

01:00:45.340 Up over the

01:00:45.840 Last few weeks

01:00:46.420 So it's got to

01:00:47.360 Be very frustrating

01:00:48.260 To her

01:00:48.740 Because you know

01:00:49.660 We've got to

01:00:50.360 Be the only

01:00:50.760 Country in the

01:00:51.380 World that gets

01:00:51.860 Excited about

01:00:52.620 You know

01:00:53.040 Using a banker

01:00:54.100 To represent us

01:00:55.120 In a pro

01:00:55.800 Wrestling match

01:00:56.740 Like I'm not

01:00:58.020 Quite sure

01:00:58.360 That's going to

01:00:59.180 Work out

01:00:59.680 And she's got

01:01:00.260 To be frustrated

01:01:00.860 By that

01:01:01.420 But at the

01:01:02.160 End of the

01:01:02.420 Day a lot

01:01:02.820 Of the people

01:01:03.200 In the Liberal

01:01:03.640 Party have

01:01:04.500 Mixed feelings

01:01:05.120 About her

01:01:05.520 They're grateful

01:01:06.100 That she took

01:01:06.820 Out Trudeau

01:01:07.480 Because if any

01:01:08.260 One person

01:01:08.860 Did it was

01:01:09.880 Her at the

01:01:10.440 Start of

01:01:10.820 December

01:01:11.260 But at the

01:01:12.260 Same time

01:01:12.680 They're kind

01:01:12.980 Of mad at

01:01:13.400 Her because

01:01:13.820 She took

01:01:14.200 Out Trudeau

01:01:14.840 And you know

01:01:15.980 Many of

01:01:16.420 Them remain

01:01:16.940 Loyal to

01:01:17.580 Him

01:01:17.880 Many of

01:01:18.540 Them owe

01:01:19.200 Their political

01:01:19.940 Careers to

01:01:20.740 Him

01:01:20.980 So you know

01:01:22.020 The vast

01:01:22.540 Majority of

01:01:23.320 Caucus and

01:01:23.960 Cabinet have

01:01:25.020 Lined up

01:01:25.440 Behind Carney

01:01:26.280 And I

01:01:27.120 You know

01:01:27.400 Again I

01:01:27.820 Think they're

01:01:28.160 Making a

01:01:28.560 Big big gamble

01:01:29.380 Because he's

01:01:29.880 The guy has

01:01:30.300 Never had

01:01:30.740 Political office

01:01:31.740 And we don't

01:01:32.680 Know how he's

01:01:33.360 Going to

01:01:33.600 Operate in

01:01:34.260 The big chair

01:01:34.880 But I guess

01:01:35.880 We're about

01:01:36.240 To find out

01:01:36.840 Rolling the

01:01:37.620 Dice I

01:01:37.980 Suppose and

01:01:38.860 Attaching just

01:01:39.840 On your

01:01:40.200 Point just

01:01:40.560 Your thoughts

01:01:40.940 On how the

01:01:41.700 Leadership race

01:01:42.400 Has really

01:01:43.260 Strung together

01:01:43.720 So far

01:01:44.200 Well it's

01:01:46.680 Almost been

01:01:47.120 Subsumed by

01:01:47.960 Events right

01:01:48.720 I think that

01:01:49.860 It is ironic

01:01:50.660 That Krista

01:01:51.320 Freeland was

01:01:51.840 The dragon

01:01:52.260 Slayer and

01:01:53.220 Now she's

01:01:54.900 Being passed

01:01:55.580 Over in

01:01:56.820 Most of the

01:01:57.200 Polling you've

01:01:57.660 Seen for

01:01:58.460 Carney I

01:01:59.600 Think that

01:02:00.080 Though Carney

01:02:00.940 Incarnates what

01:02:02.060 People in

01:02:03.480 The liberal

01:02:03.780 Party anyway

01:02:04.380 And voters

01:02:05.120 I think in

01:02:05.520 General often

01:02:06.200 Look for in

01:02:06.840 Times of

01:02:07.200 Crisis it's

01:02:07.960 Someone who

01:02:08.400 Is stable

01:02:09.120 Right someone

01:02:10.020 Who is not

01:02:11.240 Going to be

01:02:11.720 A surprise

01:02:12.300 Now the

01:02:12.620 Question is

01:02:13.120 His political

01:02:13.620 Instinct and

01:02:14.340 That is

01:02:14.780 Absolutely

01:02:15.180 Colleagues are

01:02:15.700 Right it's

01:02:16.040 Like we don't

01:02:16.460 Know he could

01:02:16.980 Be a surprise

01:02:17.480 In a bad

01:02:17.860 Way we don't

01:02:18.340 Know but we

01:02:19.820 Do know from

01:02:20.280 His past

01:02:20.640 Performance he

01:02:21.300 Incarnates that

01:02:21.980 Sort of

01:02:22.320 Stable you

01:02:24.280 Know I'm

01:02:24.760 Not I'm

01:02:25.240 Not Donald

01:02:25.780 Trump I'm a

01:02:26.880 Rational guy

01:02:27.640 You know I

01:02:29.440 Will be able

01:02:30.320 To represent

01:02:31.740 Canada with a

01:02:32.380 Cool head at a

01:02:33.240 Time that we

01:02:33.800 Need that it's

01:02:34.640 Kind of like the

01:02:35.120 Pandemic right

01:02:36.160 And during the

01:02:37.700 Pandemic too

01:02:38.240 People turn to

01:02:38.880 The government

01:02:39.240 They turn to

01:02:39.800 The government

01:02:40.060 They wanted

01:02:40.480 Stability they

01:02:41.140 Wanted they just

01:02:42.400 They're afraid and

01:02:44.180 When people are

01:02:45.240 Afraid they're less

01:02:46.000 Likely to want to

01:02:46.680 Change right and

01:02:47.980 So that's where the

01:02:48.580 Conservatives I

01:02:49.420 Think where Carney

01:02:50.300 Has an advantage

01:02:50.880 Because he's

01:02:51.440 Inheriting a

01:02:51.960 Government people

01:02:52.460 Didn't love

01:02:53.000 That's true but

01:02:54.020 At the same time

01:02:54.560 It represents an

01:02:55.260 Institutional stability

01:02:56.200 He represents

01:02:57.080 Institutional stability

01:02:58.360 Banker you know

01:02:59.320 And that could be

01:03:01.260 Appealing to people

01:03:01.940 And I think they're

01:03:03.120 Also going to

01:03:03.480 Project on him

01:03:04.160 What they want

01:03:04.740 Because they don't

01:03:05.540 Fully know him but

01:03:06.360 They do know what

01:03:07.980 The Conservatives are

01:03:08.700 And if they are

01:03:09.280 Worried about their

01:03:10.160 The way they

01:03:11.100 Handle things they

01:03:12.160 Will project onto

01:03:13.020 The Liberals what

01:03:14.260 They think they

01:03:14.820 Would do because

01:03:15.580 Carney's a bit of

01:03:16.160 A blank slate to

01:03:16.800 Many of them

01:03:17.240 Hours of things to

01:03:19.040 Think on this

01:03:19.820 Morning

01:03:20.180 Tasha Garrett and

01:03:21.220 Warren Kinsella

01:03:21.700 Carl Belanger

01:03:22.220 Thank you so much

01:03:22.980 Once again for your

01:03:23.620 Time and your

01:03:24.060 Thoughts have a

01:03:24.800 Great Sunday

01:03:25.400 Thank you

01:03:26.360 Super Bowl Sunday

01:03:29.560 Oh boy how things

01:03:31.100 Have changed in the

01:03:31.660 Last few weeks that

01:03:32.300 Is Carl Belanger

01:03:32.880 President of

01:03:33.360 Attraction Strategies

01:03:34.160 Warren Kinsella

01:03:34.780 Strategist and post

01:03:35.680 Media columnist

01:03:36.320 And Tasha

01:03:36.700 Carradine

01:03:37.120 It's a good time

01:03:38.360 To the

01:03:51.900 Bang bang

01:03:53.460 Stick the lead up in the van

01:03:57.380 Coming down is the worst

01:04:00.920 If the drug

01:04:02.560 Go get your phone

01:04:04.200 Red clear

01:04:06.300 Red clear

01:04:07.100 Red clear

01:04:07.140 Red clear

01:04:07.940 Stop and go

01:04:09.360 Red clear

01:04:13.180 Red clear

01:04:14.040 Red clear

01:04:14.900 Stop and go

01:04:16.360 Nobody wants to hear or see

01:04:21.280 Don't cause the scene

01:04:23.520 That's the key

01:04:24.740 It's like a drug that takes control

01:04:28.180 Mechanical clothes without a soul

01:04:31.720 Red clear

01:04:33.720 Red clear

01:04:34.580 Red clear

01:04:35.420 Stop and go

01:04:36.800 Red clear

01:04:40.520 Red clear

01:04:41.420 Red clear

01:04:42.160 Stop and go

01:04:43.580 And the people

01:04:46.960 And the people

01:04:47.000 Every day

01:04:48.660 Are building walls

01:04:50.620 And tripping away

01:04:51.960 Keep the volume

01:04:53.800 And the picture the same

01:04:55.380 Step out of line

01:04:57.180 And they'll get your name

01:04:58.920 Red clear

01:05:00.900 Red clear

01:05:01.740 Red clear

01:05:02.560 Stop and go

01:05:03.960 Red clear

01:05:07.780 Red clear

01:05:08.580 Red clear

01:05:09.380 Stop and go

01:05:10.780 Stop and go

01:05:13.200 Shoot a red

01:05:28.120 Bang

01:05:28.740 Bang

01:05:29.320 Stick a needle

01:05:31.020 In the van

01:05:32.740 Coming down

01:05:34.860 Is the worst

01:05:36.180 If the drug

01:05:37.800 Don't get you first

01:05:39.540 Red clear

01:05:41.540 Red clear

01:05:42.340 Red clear

01:05:43.180 Stop and go

01:05:44.560 Red clear

01:05:48.340 Red clear

01:05:49.160 Red clear

01:05:49.940 Stop and go

01:05:51.400 Red clear

01:05:55.020 Red clear

01:05:55.880 Red clear

01:05:56.660 Stop

01:05:57.200 This is the Ben Mulrooney Show

01:05:59.640 Thank you very much for joining us

01:06:01.280 And let's just jump right in

01:06:02.840 Because I'm so pleased

01:06:04.300 To have these guests back on the show

01:06:05.640 Please say hello to Warren Kinsella

01:06:07.340 Former Special Advisor

01:06:08.240 Dejan Kretzian

01:06:08.920 And CEO of the Daisy Group

01:06:10.060 Welcome back Warren

01:06:10.840 Hey my friend

01:06:12.200 And let's say hi to Anthony Koch

01:06:14.060 Managing Principal at AK Strategies

01:06:15.820 And former National Campaign Spokesperson

01:06:17.860 For Pierre Polyev

01:06:18.620 Welcome back Anthony

01:06:19.720 Thanks for having me on

01:06:21.240 Okay so we're talking tariffs

01:06:22.840 We're talking like

01:06:23.580 What happened yesterday

01:06:24.840 I think that's

01:06:25.520 That's the level set

01:06:26.800 Right

01:06:27.060 Canada and Mexico

01:06:28.480 Got 30 day reprieves

01:06:29.860 But the question I have

01:06:31.040 For both of you

01:06:31.620 And Warren you can go first

01:06:32.740 Who capitulated here

01:06:34.320 Was

01:06:34.620 Was Trump always playing

01:06:36.000 A game of chicken

01:06:36.660 Or

01:06:37.240 Did he

01:06:38.300 Was he surprised

01:06:39.280 By the blowback he got

01:06:40.200 That's a really good question

01:06:42.800 There's a lot of speculation

01:06:43.720 About that this morning

01:06:44.900 And my answer is

01:06:46.560 I actually don't know

01:06:47.820 I mean the markets tanked

01:06:50.060 When they opened

01:06:51.420 And then Mexico announced

01:06:53.340 That they'd been giving

01:06:54.200 A 30 day reprieve

01:06:55.660 And the markets recovered

01:06:57.240 So you know

01:06:58.720 Did Trump look at that

01:06:59.980 Because the one thing

01:07:00.580 We know he does listen to

01:07:02.080 And pay attention to

01:07:03.020 Is the markets

01:07:03.700 Did he look at that

01:07:04.860 And say

01:07:05.220 Geez maybe

01:07:05.920 I've gone too far here

01:07:07.580 I need to recalibrate

01:07:08.960 Because at the end of the day

01:07:10.860 If you look at

01:07:11.660 What Mexico and Canada

01:07:13.200 Agreed to

01:07:14.080 And I've now seen

01:07:15.300 Plenty of evidence of this

01:07:16.640 They basically agreed

01:07:18.740 To do something

01:07:19.360 That they were both

01:07:20.240 Already doing

01:07:21.160 With respect to

01:07:22.780 Either deploying

01:07:23.840 Or having deployed

01:07:25.560 In the case of Mexico

01:07:27.060 Troops to the border

01:07:28.640 To deal with

01:07:29.300 The fentanyl issue

01:07:30.740 So like

01:07:31.820 I don't know

01:07:32.480 What Trump won

01:07:33.880 If his objective

01:07:35.340 Was to

01:07:36.460 Show everybody

01:07:37.820 That we are

01:07:38.500 Under his

01:07:39.340 His heel

01:07:40.280 I think he probably

01:07:41.580 Accomplished that

01:07:42.480 In terms of

01:07:43.260 Getting what he wanted

01:07:44.360 On the fentanyl front

01:07:45.320 I'm not so sure

01:07:46.220 Anthony

01:07:46.980 What do you think?

01:07:48.940 So it is weird

01:07:50.280 Because Trump

01:07:51.200 Is a master showman

01:07:52.380 And he's also

01:07:53.300 I guess

01:07:53.680 Engaging in what we call

01:07:54.720 Mad King diplomacy

01:07:55.900 But he does this

01:07:56.760 He did it in his first term

01:07:58.040 And he's starting

01:07:58.540 Way out of the gate

01:07:59.240 In his second term

01:07:59.900 Where he basically

01:08:00.960 Manufactures a crisis

01:08:02.680 So that he can then

01:08:04.300 Deliver some sort of

01:08:05.620 Solution to it

01:08:06.520 Whether real or imagined

01:08:07.820 And he can maintain

01:08:09.260 This perception

01:08:10.100 Of being the ultimate

01:08:11.320 Deal maker

01:08:12.040 But like Warren said

01:08:13.720 Very little changed

01:08:15.400 Mexico basically

01:08:16.500 Re-upped commitments

01:08:17.540 That they effectively

01:08:18.360 Had already made

01:08:19.320 In Canada

01:08:20.240 There was some

01:08:21.000 New material

01:08:21.680 So you see

01:08:22.400 Canada is now

01:08:23.100 Going to join

01:08:23.640 The United States

01:08:24.340 In declaring

01:08:24.980 Drug cartels

01:08:26.480 As terrorist

01:08:26.940 Organizations

01:08:27.760 But in terms

01:08:28.900 Of border patrolling

01:08:29.920 And stuff like that

01:08:30.700 There's a new

01:08:31.120 Joint task force

01:08:32.240 There's a couple

01:08:32.720 Things there

01:08:33.200 But even in terms

01:08:34.000 Of funding

01:08:34.560 The 1.3 billion

01:08:36.300 Dollars on border

01:08:37.360 Security

01:08:38.220 Which I believe

01:08:38.900 Is over the course

01:08:39.500 Of five or six years

01:08:40.580 That was already

01:08:41.560 Announced by

01:08:42.180 Prime Minister Trudeau

01:08:43.060 A few months ago

01:08:43.900 So that's not new

01:08:44.800 But it's being

01:08:45.440 Made out to be

01:08:46.260 As if this was

01:08:46.780 This big concession

01:08:47.620 That Trump had

01:08:48.260 Extracted

01:08:48.880 But it is important

01:08:50.020 For people to note

01:08:50.900 That we still have

01:08:52.420 Like this is not over

01:08:53.280 No

01:08:53.560 We're going to go

01:08:54.700 Through this all over

01:08:55.520 Again in 30 days

01:08:56.700 So there's still

01:08:58.020 Probably more things

01:08:59.080 That they're going

01:08:59.480 To try to extract

01:09:00.300 From us

01:09:00.780 But in the meantime

01:09:01.920 Yeah not really

01:09:03.580 The great deal

01:09:04.900 That Trump was looking for

01:09:06.080 Well let's look at this

01:09:07.520 From a different angle

01:09:08.260 Now and let's look

01:09:09.100 At it as sort of

01:09:10.020 The end of the symphony

01:09:11.980 That has been the

01:09:13.000 Political career

01:09:13.820 Of Justin Trudeau

01:09:15.040 You know he was

01:09:16.280 He was going out

01:09:17.120 Quietly

01:09:17.960 And then this happened

01:09:20.060 And he came out

01:09:21.500 Listen we didn't get

01:09:22.900 Hit with tariffs

01:09:23.520 So that's a win

01:09:24.360 For Justin Trudeau

01:09:25.360 And I wonder

01:09:26.760 If this is

01:09:27.480 If this is going

01:09:28.840 To change anything

01:09:30.260 In the way that

01:09:30.880 We think about him

01:09:31.740 And I also wonder

01:09:33.060 If it's going to

01:09:33.820 Change anything

01:09:34.560 For how we look

01:09:36.400 At the liberals

01:09:36.980 Going into the next election

01:09:38.420 So Warren back to you

01:09:39.420 It really reminded me

01:09:41.660 Of Rudy Giuliani

01:09:43.040 And bear with me here

01:09:44.480 As I kind of

01:09:45.240 Explain the comparison

01:09:46.400 You know when

01:09:47.380 When 9-11 happened

01:09:49.100 Just before

01:09:50.100 Giuliani was

01:09:51.440 Incredibly unpopular

01:09:52.720 In New York City

01:09:53.460 He's going through

01:09:54.000 A nasty divorce

01:09:54.940 He's had all kinds

01:09:55.800 Of scandals

01:09:56.480 You know people

01:09:57.400 Couldn't wait

01:09:57.980 To see the end of him

01:09:59.080 And then 9-11 hit

01:10:00.760 He became America's mayor

01:10:02.360 And he became

01:10:03.300 One of the most loved

01:10:04.620 Figures in the world

01:10:06.020 Not just in the United States

01:10:07.320 Because he was so courageous

01:10:08.900 And strong

01:10:10.080 Trudeau

01:10:11.280 It kind of is

01:10:12.940 Analogous to that

01:10:13.900 I don't think anybody

01:10:14.520 Loves him per se

01:10:15.660 But you know

01:10:16.820 The polling I've seen

01:10:17.900 And certainly my own gut

01:10:19.120 Have told me

01:10:19.920 That people feel like

01:10:21.640 He did a good job

01:10:22.900 As good a job

01:10:24.020 As he could do

01:10:24.600 In very difficult circumstances

01:10:26.160 What it means

01:10:27.620 For his future

01:10:28.420 While Giuliani

01:10:29.300 Went back to scandal

01:10:30.500 And getting into

01:10:31.580 All kinds of trouble

01:10:32.360 So he's not so loved

01:10:33.360 Anymore

01:10:33.940 I guess

01:10:34.680 You know

01:10:35.060 Does Trudeau

01:10:35.840 Do what prime ministers

01:10:37.040 Usually do

01:10:37.820 Like Harper and Christian

01:10:38.920 Head off to the lecture circuit

01:10:40.900 And write his memoirs

01:10:42.400 And kind of keeps quiet

01:10:43.420 About current affairs

01:10:44.260 That's what I'd advise him to do

01:10:46.000 But I think I'd be

01:10:46.960 The last guy

01:10:47.600 He'd listen to

01:10:48.320 For advice

01:10:49.200 Anthony

01:10:50.120 What do you think

01:10:50.880 Is he so past

01:10:52.660 His expiration date

01:10:53.540 That it doesn't matter

01:10:54.360 Or is this

01:10:55.360 Is this a

01:10:56.600 Relative high point

01:10:58.640 For him

01:10:59.520 I think we gotta

01:11:01.020 See what happens

01:11:01.720 In 30 days

01:11:02.500 But in any case

01:11:03.820 I'd say

01:11:04.360 That beyond this

01:11:05.520 Being a good thing

01:11:06.180 For Justin Trudeau

01:11:06.980 Or a bad thing

01:11:07.460 For Justin Trudeau

01:11:08.080 I think yesterday

01:11:08.740 Was mostly a good thing

01:11:09.980 For Canada

01:11:10.500 I think a lot of people

01:11:11.960 Underestimate

01:11:12.740 Just how many

01:11:13.540 Canadian jobs

01:11:14.540 And how much

01:11:15.160 Canadian prosperity

01:11:16.140 Relies upon

01:11:17.240 Our relatively

01:11:18.740 Free access

01:11:19.620 To the American market

01:11:20.780 And I'm a partisan guy

01:11:23.400 People accuse me

01:11:24.320 Of it all the time

01:11:24.800 It's fair

01:11:25.220 A lot of us

01:11:25.800 In this game

01:11:26.220 Are partisan people

01:11:27.080 But at the end

01:11:28.000 Of the day

01:11:28.460 I'm a Canada first guy

01:11:30.040 Also in terms of

01:11:30.980 How I want to see

01:11:32.080 A relationship

01:11:32.620 With the United States

01:11:33.580 And I want

01:11:34.380 The Liberal government

01:11:35.520 To have as much success

01:11:36.620 As humanly possible

01:11:37.940 In the meantime

01:11:38.780 When dealing

01:11:39.720 With the United States

01:11:40.740 So there's a lot

01:11:41.680 Of investment dollars

01:11:42.480 On the line

01:11:42.960 I know

01:11:43.460 I barely slept

01:11:44.620 The last few days

01:11:45.460 My clients are freaking out

01:11:46.880 This was a big thing

01:11:48.200 And I'm happy

01:11:48.920 That at least

01:11:50.260 We get 30 days

01:11:50.940 Of reprieve

01:11:51.420 But that uncertainty

01:11:52.580 Hasn't gone away

01:11:53.560 And I hope

01:11:55.000 We're not going

01:11:55.800 Through a six month

01:11:56.760 Period of just

01:11:57.600 Repeated 30 day delays

01:11:58.920 Where they continue

01:11:59.780 To try to get

01:12:00.380 New extractions

01:12:01.080 Out of us

01:12:01.520 Anthony I'm going to

01:12:02.320 Stick with you

01:12:02.920 On this next one

01:12:03.980 Because we're talking

01:12:04.640 About Pierre Polyev

01:12:05.680 It seemed like

01:12:06.480 Over the weekend

01:12:07.040 It was a tale

01:12:07.540 Of two speeches

01:12:08.200 You had Justin Trudeau

01:12:09.160 Speaking on Saturday

01:12:10.220 And then you had

01:12:10.660 Pierre sort of

01:12:12.060 Laying out his vision

01:12:13.680 For how to deal

01:12:15.900 With Donald Trump

01:12:16.540 And it seemed to me

01:12:18.520 That he

01:12:19.780 That he had

01:12:21.360 A few things

01:12:22.040 That he needed

01:12:22.380 To accomplish

01:12:22.820 And one of them

01:12:23.500 Was to blunt

01:12:24.660 The future

01:12:25.660 Attacks that were

01:12:26.820 Going to come

01:12:27.120 In a political

01:12:28.180 Campaign

01:12:28.620 That he is

01:12:29.400 The maple

01:12:31.160 MAGA

01:12:31.640 He came out

01:12:32.580 Very forcefully

01:12:33.260 Against Donald Trump

01:12:34.360 Very much in favor

01:12:35.480 Of Canada

01:12:36.480 Of Canada

01:12:36.500 And Canadian

01:12:36.940 Interests

01:12:37.500 And I

01:12:38.740 Wondered

01:12:39.540 When you saw

01:12:40.480 That speech

01:12:41.080 Did you see

01:12:41.560 The same thing

01:12:42.140 Well 100%

01:12:43.920 But I also think

01:12:44.960 Again

01:12:45.740 There's a lot

01:12:46.380 Of weirdos

01:12:47.300 On Twitter

01:12:47.860 That are Canadians

01:12:49.240 Who want to

01:12:49.860 I said this

01:12:50.580 On my Twitter

01:12:51.120 I said

01:12:51.400 There's a certain

01:12:52.420 Kind of Canadian

01:12:53.280 Conservative

01:12:53.960 That worships

01:12:55.480 Donald Trump

01:12:56.200 And I say

01:12:57.080 They are mentally

01:12:57.800 And spiritually

01:12:58.520 Colonized by the

01:12:59.580 United States

01:13:00.240 Much in the same

01:13:01.100 Way that you have

01:13:01.800 A lot of Canadian

01:13:02.680 Liberals who

01:13:03.360 Exclusively consume

01:13:04.460 Their news

01:13:04.860 From CNN

01:13:05.500 And frame

01:13:06.360 Any and all

01:13:07.060 Canadian issues

01:13:07.840 From the lens

01:13:08.460 Of the American

01:13:09.040 Democrat

01:13:09.580 Cultural issue

01:13:10.360 Of the day

01:13:10.780 In the United States

01:13:11.580 That exists

01:13:12.620 On both ends

01:13:13.320 Of the political

01:13:13.820 Spectrum

01:13:14.380 But you know

01:13:15.400 Mr. Poliev

01:13:16.120 Has revived the quote

01:13:17.240 From one of our

01:13:18.440 Greatest Prime Ministers

01:13:19.240 As far as I'm concerned

01:13:20.200 Sir Wilfrid Laurier

01:13:21.120 In saying

01:13:21.500 Canada first

01:13:22.160 Canada last

01:13:22.820 Canada always

01:13:23.700 And at the end

01:13:24.640 Of the day

01:13:25.020 Whether we're

01:13:25.440 Liberals

01:13:25.800 Whether we're

01:13:26.240 Conservatives

01:13:26.840 We love our country

01:13:27.720 And we want to

01:13:28.600 Remain a country

01:13:29.280 And we want to

01:13:29.940 Get the best deal

01:13:30.600 For Canadians

01:13:31.220 Well let's say

01:13:31.720 You know what

01:13:32.020 I'm going to

01:13:32.680 Stick a pin

01:13:34.020 In that

01:13:34.340 Because I want

01:13:34.700 To go

01:13:34.960 To the Liberal

01:13:35.840 That we have

01:13:36.520 With us

01:13:37.060 Today

01:13:37.480 And if you

01:13:39.240 Were advising

01:13:39.880 The Liberals

01:13:40.580 Going into

01:13:40.940 The next election

01:13:41.620 Warren

01:13:41.980 I wonder

01:13:43.320 Whether there's

01:13:43.840 Danger in

01:13:44.640 Campaigning

01:13:45.140 Against Donald

01:13:45.980 Trump

01:13:46.200 Which has

01:13:46.480 Really been

01:13:46.780 Their stock

01:13:47.240 In trade

01:13:47.720 Because we

01:13:48.800 Now know

01:13:49.360 He's listening

01:13:50.100 To what's

01:13:50.460 Going on

01:13:50.840 Up here

01:13:51.200 Yeah

01:13:52.860 And that's

01:13:53.340 Why I

01:13:53.740 Actually was

01:13:54.700 Nervous

01:13:55.100 About all

01:13:55.600 The hallelujahs

01:13:57.460 That were

01:13:57.640 Going around

01:13:58.180 Social media

01:13:59.160 Last night

01:13:59.820 Saying we

01:14:00.220 Won and we

01:14:00.940 Fooled him

01:14:01.700 And he

01:14:02.320 Got played

01:14:03.040 Because we

01:14:03.760 All know

01:14:04.240 That you

01:14:04.840 Know when

01:14:05.300 Trump sees

01:14:06.060 That when

01:14:06.960 He sees

01:14:07.500 Somebody getting

01:14:08.380 Coverage like

01:14:09.160 That he

01:14:10.080 Lashes out

01:14:11.040 So I would

01:14:12.160 Caution all of

01:14:13.000 My Canadian

01:14:13.820 Friends to

01:14:14.600 Temper their

01:14:15.340 Enthusiasm for

01:14:16.540 The result

01:14:17.060 Because you know

01:14:17.720 The sentence

01:14:18.220 Was commuted

01:14:19.060 Somewhat but

01:14:20.140 It wasn't you

01:14:21.040 Know we

01:14:21.260 Didn't get a

01:14:21.740 Pardon right

01:14:22.580 As Anthony

01:14:23.400 Has said

01:14:23.880 We got 30

01:14:25.020 Days from now

01:14:25.960 We're going to

01:14:26.920 Be in it again

01:14:27.480 And the

01:14:27.820 Problem we've

01:14:28.480 Got with

01:14:28.900 This guy

01:14:29.380 And you

01:14:29.680 Know full

01:14:29.960 Disclosure

01:14:30.380 I work

01:14:30.780 For Kamala

01:14:31.560 And I

01:14:31.820 Worked for

01:14:32.300 For Hillary

01:14:33.380 And the

01:14:34.320 Only thing I

01:14:34.900 Learned about

01:14:35.400 Him is he's

01:14:36.240 Predictably

01:14:36.860 Unpredictable

01:14:37.660 So you

01:14:38.900 Know he

01:14:39.580 Said it

01:14:40.040 Was about

01:14:40.740 Banks

01:14:41.540 He said

01:14:42.220 It was

01:14:42.760 About fentanyl

01:14:44.760 He said

01:14:45.260 It was about

01:14:45.840 Illegal aliens

01:14:46.840 And and

01:14:47.960 He threw

01:14:48.220 Dairy in there

01:14:49.320 As well

01:14:49.680 Dairy I

01:14:50.800 Forgot about

01:14:51.200 That one

01:14:51.720 And then of

01:14:52.140 Course he

01:14:52.500 You know

01:14:52.720 Wants to be

01:14:53.060 The 51st

01:14:53.720 State

01:14:54.020 So you

01:14:54.720 Don't we

01:14:55.200 Don't know

01:14:55.580 What we're

01:14:56.000 Going to get

01:14:56.420 In 30

01:14:56.860 Days but

01:14:57.540 We're going

01:14:57.760 To get

01:14:57.940 Something

01:14:58.260 The thing

01:14:58.700 That worries

01:14:59.240 Me to

01:15:00.260 Answer your

01:15:00.700 Question I

01:15:01.340 Apologize for

01:15:02.120 Taking so

01:15:03.180 Long to do

01:15:03.640 It

01:15:03.740 You got

01:15:04.000 You got

01:15:04.300 30 seconds

01:15:05.080 Warren

01:15:05.420 The liberal

01:15:05.940 Party is not

01:15:06.420 Going to be

01:15:06.640 Led by

01:15:06.980 Justin Trudeau

01:15:07.900 At that point

01:15:08.480 It's going to

01:15:08.740 Be led by

01:15:09.160 A guy who

01:15:09.460 Doesn't even

01:15:09.780 Have a seat

01:15:10.280 In the

01:15:10.480 House of

01:15:10.820 Commons

01:15:11.200 Looks like

01:15:11.840 Mark Carney

01:15:12.320 Is going to

01:15:12.660 Win

01:15:12.860 What legitimacy

01:15:13.900 Is he going

01:15:14.800 To have

01:15:15.260 To pick up

01:15:16.020 The phone

01:15:16.460 And speak

01:15:16.900 To Donald

01:15:17.320 Trump

01:15:17.620 That I

01:15:18.200 Think is

01:15:18.500 A real

01:15:18.780 Worry

01:15:19.100 Warren

01:15:19.680 Kinsella

01:15:20.100 Anthony

01:15:20.420 Kosh

01:15:20.700 Really appreciate

01:15:21.600 You coming

01:15:22.220 On and giving

01:15:22.620 Us a state

01:15:23.080 Of play

01:15:23.400 Thanks

01:15:24.900 Thanks guys

01:15:46.460 She got me

01:15:54.260 Playing in

01:15:55.060 A home

01:15:55.560 To

01:15:55.820 She got

01:15:56.740 A little

01:15:57.640 Play

01:15:58.080 But I'm

01:15:58.600 Not

01:15:58.960 Involved

01:15:59.620 She got

01:16:00.180 A nasty

01:16:01.080 Habit

01:16:01.560 Pretty

01:16:01.920 Locked

01:16:02.520 Up

01:16:02.740 On a

01:16:03.560 Phone

01:16:04.160 I can't

01:16:07.840 Get nothing

01:16:08.340 If I

01:16:08.880 Fall

01:16:09.180 Overboard

01:16:09.960 I never

01:16:11.340 Thought

01:16:11.700 That I

01:16:12.120 Would

01:16:12.380 End

01:16:12.580 Up

01:16:12.780 On

01:16:12.960 Sure

01:16:13.340 You're

01:16:14.460 My

01:16:14.700 Addiction

01:16:15.220 And I

01:16:15.820 Only

01:16:16.100 One

01:16:16.380 More

01:16:16.760 Now

01:16:17.060 It's

01:16:17.260 Time

01:16:17.620 To

01:16:17.840 Feel

01:16:18.220 Something

01:16:18.700 Or

01:16:18.940 Time

01:16:19.300 To

01:16:19.540 Feel

01:16:20.000 Nothing

01:16:20.380 At

01:16:20.760 All

01:16:20.920 She

01:16:21.260 Got

01:16:21.520 Me

01:16:21.680 Praying

01:16:22.140 But I'm

01:16:22.840 Not

01:16:23.220 Believing

01:16:24.020 Another

01:16:25.000 Stroke

01:16:25.620 That I'm

01:16:26.260 Not

01:16:26.660 Receiving

01:16:27.540 She

01:16:28.120 Got

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kinsellacast - February 09, 2025

KINSELLACAST 348： Madness reigns (and Grits too？) with E., Lilley, Kheiriddin, Mulroney, Belanger and Koch - plus Cramps, Big Boys, Upchuck, Surfbort, Wetlook

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