kinsellacast - KINSELLACAST 349 with the Rt. Hon. Jean Chretien! On Trump, tariffs and more - plus Lilley, Kheiriddin, Belanger, Johal and big hits from year 2000!

00:00:00.000 It's the KinsellaCast starring Warren Kinsella.

00:00:15.920 Hey, it's Warren. Welcome to the KinsellaCast.

00:00:18.200 We've got a very, very special KinsellaCast for you this week,

00:00:22.320 starting with somebody who you may recognize.

00:00:25.320 I think you'll recognize the voice.

00:00:26.920 So without further ado, here he is.

00:00:30.000 And we're back, and we're back with my former boss

00:00:33.280 and somebody I've gotten to know very well over the years,

00:00:36.960 the Right Honourable Jean Chrétien, the former Prime Minister of Canada,

00:00:40.860 and in my opinion, the greatest Prime Minister that Canada's ever had.

00:00:44.880 Prime Minister Chrétien, welcome.

00:00:46.900 Thank you very much.

00:00:48.460 So I wanted to ask you, sir, you wrote an op-ed in the Globe and Mail newspaper

00:00:53.880 a few weeks ago, and it was very well received,

00:00:57.740 talking about the confrontation or the disagreement that exists between Canada

00:01:03.060 and the United States, the administration of Donald Trump right now.

00:01:07.300 I wanted to ask you if you could expand on it,

00:01:09.980 because I've heard from a lot of people saying they wish you were Prime Minister again.

00:01:13.180 What would you do right now to deal with the problems that we're facing with the Trump administration?

00:01:20.200 I think that the government and the provincial governments are more together than ever before.

00:01:26.080 So I think we're doing the right thing.

00:01:28.020 We're standing up.

00:01:29.420 There was not a great need for the premiers to go to the United States,

00:01:34.680 because it is a national problem, so we should always be completely united.

00:01:40.160 But anyway, you know, we said that we will retaliate, and we have to stand up.

00:01:46.980 And it was my letter, if you recall.

00:01:50.740 I said, you know, wait a minute, you know, it's the way we do that,

00:01:55.200 because they need us.

00:01:58.440 You know, they're bigger than us, but take aluminium.

00:02:04.200 60% of their aluminium that they use in the United States is coming from Canada,

00:02:09.020 mainly from Quebec.

00:02:11.160 So if they cannot have aluminium from Canada, they will have to go to China to get aluminium.

00:02:17.460 And they cannot build a factory tomorrow.

00:02:22.580 It takes a lot of time, and one of the advantages that we have with aluminium

00:02:27.000 is that our aluminium is made with clean energy, and it is cheaper energy.

00:02:34.640 It's a lot of hydropower.

00:02:37.320 We make our aluminium in Canada with hydropower, so we're in a very strong position.

00:02:42.940 And when he did that six or seven years ago, you know, there was virtually no effect on the industry,

00:02:51.420 because we have, you know, and the more that the attack, the more the Canadian dollar is going down,

00:02:59.300 so, you know, for us, they pay us more with their American dollars.

00:03:07.040 So it's not kidding us, but it will cause a lot of problems to a lot of small factories in the United States.

00:03:15.480 You need aluminium from Canada or our steel.

00:03:19.220 So, you know, we have to stand up, not suck up, but stand up.

00:03:25.300 So the question I've got is, you know, you've cited the example of aluminium.

00:03:29.920 There's so many other examples where economists are saying Americans ultimately are the ones who are going to be bearing the weight of this.

00:03:38.260 They're going to be bearing the pain.

00:03:40.960 Why, you know, you've known presidents and prime ministers.

00:03:44.400 You've known kings and queens in your time in politics.

00:03:48.560 You've known all these different people.

00:03:50.920 People are trying to understand why do you think that Trump is doing this?

00:03:55.080 Is there any logic behind what he is doing?

00:03:57.700 You know, I don't understand it, or I do, depends, you know.

00:04:04.980 He talks about McKinley, who had put tariffs and decided to isolate the United States and to conquest some land,

00:04:17.380 so he took over the Philippines at one time and so on and wanted to expand the territory.

00:04:23.140 So it was, it's what happened after the First World War, you know, the society of nations that Wilson had negotiated was blocked by the Congress

00:04:37.300 because they wanted to completely be isolated and not pay attention to the rest of the world.

00:04:43.780 So, you know, it seems to be that mentality that seems to be prevailing.

00:04:48.880 But, you know, if they do that, it's the end of what they call the American empire.

00:04:55.180 Their entrance will dry down completely around the globe.

00:04:59.640 It is a theory that they want to be on their own.

00:05:03.100 And he wants to annex Canada because, you know, they know they need water and they need a lot of resources and a lot of land.

00:05:12.620 And, you know, because, you know, if they want water from us, they will have to pay for it.

00:05:18.980 You know, it was part of NAFTA at the beginning, but when I finished NAFTA, because it was not passed by the Congress of America,

00:05:28.880 you know, I had to finish it with Clinton and I excluded the water.

00:05:33.020 So the water cannot be, we're not obligated, so, you know, anymore to sell it to the United States.

00:05:40.140 So, you know, we have a lot of assets that we can negotiate with them.

00:05:43.860 And we are very good neighbor for them, very useful.

00:05:48.860 You know, remember one day I said to Bill Clinton, I don't want to be too close to you because if I look like I'm the 51st state,

00:05:57.680 I will not have an influence.

00:06:00.380 But if I look, I'm independent, I can do for you some of the things that the CIA cannot do for you.

00:06:06.820 And I told him the first day I met him in Seattle in 1993.

00:06:11.500 So anyway, I think we have to stand up and we're standing up at this time.

00:06:16.680 And now it looks like that.

00:06:18.620 Well, I've got a column in the, to blow my own horn, I had a column in Post Media yesterday about that,

00:06:24.760 that trying to figure out, you know, because the Conservatives have lost 30,

00:06:28.240 they had a lead of 30 points at the start of the year.

00:06:31.180 It's gone.

00:06:32.180 30 points gone in six weeks.

00:06:33.940 And one of the theories that I advance in it is, well, because people suspect deep down that the Conservative Party under Mr. Polyev is more sympathetic to Trump than the Liberal Party is.

00:06:47.100 What do you think about that theory?

00:06:49.780 Well, of course, you know, for me, I always felt that it was good to stand independent from America.

00:06:58.440 And the Canadians are very comfortable about it.

00:07:02.300 As you mentioned earlier, when I said no to the war in Iraq, you know, I became extremely,

00:07:07.920 this move was extremely popular.

00:07:10.240 At the beginning, it was a vital.

00:07:11.860 But now when there was some polls on that, then, you know, 90% of the Canadians believe that I made the right decision.

00:07:19.040 You know, we are an independent country.

00:07:20.440 We want to work with them who are useful to each other.

00:07:25.500 I mentioned in my letter that I referred to, that I take, for example, the Northwest Passage.

00:07:32.360 You know, this is, we claim it's Canadian water.

00:07:35.600 They are claiming it's American international water.

00:07:38.700 Now they are afraid of the Chinese.

00:07:41.000 So the best way for them is to say that they are Canadian water and they will be controlled by us.

00:07:46.440 And we'll make a deal with them because it is in their interest, too.

00:07:51.080 It's because we're neighbors and we have 5,000 miles of water.

00:07:55.740 So, you know, we can work with them and we have worked with them very well.

00:08:01.320 So, you know, it is the best trade relation in the world.

00:08:06.000 And when he says that he subsidized us for $200 billion, come on.

00:08:11.420 You know, they buy oil, gas, and electricity that they need.

00:08:15.700 At a discount.

00:08:17.260 At a discount.

00:08:19.380 And if we look at just the other trade, the normal trade, we have a deficit.

00:08:26.940 We're buying more from them than they buy from us, the rest.

00:08:30.920 And the electricity, they cannot have it from Europe or from anywhere else.

00:08:35.380 It's not coming by train, neither by ships.

00:08:39.640 You know, and we're selling that to them.

00:08:43.400 They should applaud.

00:08:44.320 They should be happy.

00:08:45.800 That there is a friendly nation that has resources, that is willing to sell it to them.

00:08:50.620 It's not a gift.

00:08:52.160 They need it.

00:08:53.740 Final question.

00:08:54.860 Because I know you're a hardworking guy and you've got to get back to work.

00:08:58.020 And I don't want to impose on your time too much longer.

00:09:00.300 One last question.

00:09:02.140 Do you think, because it looks like Mr. Trump is going to be there at least until the midterms, two years from now.

00:09:07.780 He's got the Senate, he's got the House of Representatives, he's got the Supreme Court too.

00:09:12.880 Do you think we should be casting our eye towards Europe in terms of defense and trade?

00:09:18.700 Should we be looking at Europe and other parts of the world in order to offset what we seem to be losing with the United States?

00:09:26.140 We always do that.

00:09:28.720 And we used to be selling even more than today to the United States.

00:09:34.840 It used to be above close to 90%.

00:09:38.240 Now it's around 80% what all the trade we do with them.

00:09:42.760 You know, they need us and we need them.

00:09:45.220 We can look elsewhere.

00:09:46.520 It will be good if we can.

00:09:47.960 But, you know, the market is there and the resources are here and it's closed and it's cheaper to do it this way.

00:09:53.660 And my view is that, you know, if he keeps doing what he's doing, that, you know, the tariffs are not paid by Canadians, neither by the Chinese or the Mexicans.

00:10:06.880 It's going to be paid by the consumers of the United States.

00:10:12.340 You know, it is the price.

00:10:14.200 If we sell for something $100, it will cost $125 to the American consumers or will be absorbed by the company, the American buyer.

00:10:27.520 You know, for us, and I think that in many instances, we're so integrated that they will have to keep buying.

00:10:35.260 They cannot stop the production of cars and so on that are completely integrated.

00:10:43.080 And, you know, and they need aluminum, they need steel for that.

00:10:47.540 They need energy for that.

00:10:49.520 But, you know, we have to keep standing and reality will hit them too.

00:10:56.980 And there might be a price for us to pay, but our independence, there is a price to pay for that.

00:11:05.000 We'll pay it.

00:11:06.640 And it is exactly what Harper said yesterday.

00:11:09.500 I don't know if you've seen that.

00:11:11.340 I did.

00:11:11.500 There might be a cost to that, and we have to face it.

00:11:14.960 You know, it is a commercial war, and there's a war we fight.

00:11:18.920 And we stand up.

00:11:20.680 Well, we stand up, and we're grateful for you giving us time for this week's show, Prime Minister Chrétien.

00:11:28.400 A lot of people miss you.

00:11:29.520 I think if you decided to run again, we could get you re-elected in a heartbeat.

00:11:33.860 So, I guess you would vote for me.

00:11:36.420 I think I would.

00:11:37.540 Vive la Canada.

00:11:38.960 Okay.

00:11:39.560 Vive la Canada.

00:11:40.360 Bye-bye.

00:11:40.700 One, two, three, four.

00:11:44.140 And everyone was there.

00:12:11.520 I'm going on the radio.

00:12:13.200 Radio

00:12:14.660 This choice for the hollow stars

00:12:17.220 Now the one true looks

00:12:18.700 And I'm clear of my life

00:12:21.020 From only kids who go to shows

00:12:23.660 This is not the way

00:12:26.140 In the street like dawn

00:12:28.360 In the street like dawn

00:12:31.640 This picture's on

00:12:43.200 Last romantic fool

00:12:51.380 Separated by sheets

00:12:53.060 When the curtain calls you

00:12:54.820 Speaking on the things of soul and virtue

00:12:57.820 Missing from the radio

00:12:59.980 Radio

00:13:01.380 Now this romantic duels

00:13:04.060 Into the streets

00:13:05.420 Gone at the TV

00:13:07.380 Realize, you realize

00:13:09.820 This is not the way

00:13:12.620 In the street like dawn

00:13:15.100 In the street like dawn

00:13:18.660 This picture's on

00:13:22.260 Back down

00:13:25.020 Jennifer

00:13:26.340 I really know

00:13:27.940 Remember

00:13:29.200 Good evening

00:13:29.820 Yesterday

00:13:30.460 We'll see

00:13:32.400 We'll see

00:13:34.840 That's romantic food

00:13:50.580 Separated by sheets

00:13:52.260 When the curtain calls you

00:13:54.020 Speaking on the things of soul and virtue

00:13:57.020 Listening from the radio, radio

00:14:00.680 Got this romantic duels into the streets

00:14:04.600 Oh, I bet you you can realize who we are lost

00:14:09.700 This is not the way

00:14:12.000 In the street like dark

00:14:14.300 In the street like dark

00:14:18.040 This picture time

00:14:21.180 This is not the way

00:14:26.280 This is not the way

00:14:30.280 This is not the way

00:14:34.500 This boy's life among the electrical lights

00:14:39.900 This boy's life among the electrical lights

00:14:53.960 This boy's life.

00:15:23.960 This boy's life.

00:15:26.860 Remind me.

00:15:27.620 Electrical lights.

00:15:45.500 Okay.

00:15:46.820 How cool was that?

00:15:48.520 The right Honourable Jean Chrétien on the Kinsella cast.

00:15:52.760 Kind of cool.

00:15:54.620 Maybe I'll do more of that in the future.

00:15:56.600 You know, I know a few other luminaries, so maybe I'll get them on the show as well on a periodic basis.

00:16:02.780 But grateful to him for giving us some time.

00:16:07.800 Grateful also to Brian Lilly.

00:16:10.460 He and I agreed to disagree on a couple things this week.

00:16:13.580 You can hear that.

00:16:14.580 Tasha Keridan, Carl Belanger, and I, Jazz Johal, Ben O'Hara Byrne, talking about all of just the crazy shit that's been going on in the past few days.

00:16:26.920 Feels like seven years as opposed to seven days.

00:16:30.780 And then music from the year 2000.

00:16:32.420 Why the year 2000?

00:16:33.400 Well, that was the year that I ran Chrétien's last war room.

00:16:37.920 And he won one big.

00:16:41.220 Big, big, big.

00:16:42.600 And so new pornographers.

00:16:44.340 Mainly Canadian band with a great tune.

00:16:46.860 It was a hit that year.

00:16:48.080 Blink with all the small things.

00:16:51.500 They're American, but they're good guys.

00:16:53.320 They were good to me on one of my books.

00:16:55.620 Rage Against the Machine, who hate all American politicians and who can blame them.

00:17:00.720 Hives, hate to say I told you so, from Sweden.

00:17:04.000 And I did tell you guys so.

00:17:06.420 I told you what would happen if Trump got re-elected.

00:17:09.420 That it would be way worse.

00:17:11.280 And here we are.

00:17:12.020 And then I end the show with Joey Ramone's What a Wonderful World.

00:17:16.580 Probably one of the most perfect songs ever written.

00:17:21.180 And Joey just does an amazing version of it.

00:17:24.360 So politicos love tough guy jockey stuff.

00:17:30.860 Flooding the zone is a football term.

00:17:33.260 And it's been appropriated by political people.

00:17:36.660 It means, well, you know what it means, right?

00:17:38.420 You send a lot of receivers to one side to kind of fake out the other team.

00:17:42.940 And they overcommit defenders to that side.

00:17:46.160 And then they leave themselves exposed.

00:17:48.140 So political guys love sports metaphors.

00:17:50.800 Because it makes them sound like tough guys.

00:17:53.500 Instead of what they mostly are, which is dweebs.

00:17:56.100 Who never got picked for any team.

00:17:57.600 And got involved with the debate club and science club instead.

00:18:01.820 Donald Trump's Rubenesque former chief of staff, Steve Bannon.

00:18:06.680 Who apparently is now at a jail.

00:18:08.320 Brian Lilly talked to him.

00:18:09.380 So I guess he's at a jail.

00:18:10.820 He loves to use that term.

00:18:12.020 In 2018 he spoke to a guy at Bloomberg.

00:18:14.140 And he said,

00:18:14.680 The Democrats don't matter.

00:18:16.600 The real opposition is the media.

00:18:18.660 And the way to deal with them is to flood the zone with shit.

00:18:21.620 So political guys love that tough guy jockey stuff.

00:18:27.760 Like on the search engine Bing.

00:18:29.900 Which keeps track of this stuff.

00:18:31.960 Flood the zone shows up about 2.3 million times.

00:18:36.600 Most of them in the context of politics.

00:18:38.900 So sorry football.

00:18:40.660 And that's what the aforementioned Donald Trump is now doing.

00:18:45.080 Albeit without the assistance of Bannon.

00:18:47.740 You know, because he was in jail.

00:18:49.080 So he's flooding the zone with shit.

00:18:51.940 To distract from his real purpose.

00:18:53.960 Which is Project 2025.

00:18:56.300 Like there's literally not enough time for me to properly describe what Trump and his winged monkeys have done.

00:19:03.300 In the 27 days since he was re-inaugurated.

00:19:06.860 Suffice to say it's been a lot.

00:19:07.980 He's thrown Ukraine to the Russian wolves.

00:19:09.960 I've now started fundraising again for the Ukrainian Red Cross.

00:19:13.160 Selling off my paintings.

00:19:14.500 He's threatened to use military force against Denmark.

00:19:16.940 A NATO ally to seize Greenland.

00:19:19.380 He's threatened to use force about Panama.

00:19:21.760 He's freed the January 6th felons.

00:19:24.020 But fired FBI agents.

00:19:25.860 He's pulled out of the World Health Organization.

00:19:28.420 But hired an anti-vaxxer and former junkie to run healthcare.

00:19:32.600 He's changed the names of mountains and bodies of water he doesn't like.

00:19:36.160 And banned reporters who refuse to go along with it.

00:19:39.140 And most significantly of course he's threatened to use economic force against Canada.

00:19:44.660 He's said a couple dozen times that he wants to make us the 51st state.

00:19:48.800 And he's mocked our Prime Minister, our leader of the opposition.

00:19:51.960 And he's said that we offer nothing of value.

00:19:55.580 There's another sporty term which is head fake.

00:19:59.220 It means moving your head to fake a change in direction when you've got the puck or the ball or whatever.

00:20:05.140 So some people, like Premier Chemtrails, Danielle Smith, had convinced themselves that Trump's anti-Canada rantings were all a head fake.

00:20:16.120 That is, until he actually announced tariffs on Canadian oil and gas.

00:20:20.500 And it didn't seem very fakey anymore.

00:20:22.700 That woke her up in the oil patch.

00:20:25.140 The two best Prime Ministers of my lifetime, I think, were Jean Chrétien, who you've just heard from, and Stephen Harper.

00:20:33.000 And I worked for Chrétien, obviously, and irritated Mr. Harper.

00:20:38.740 But he's, forgive me.

00:20:40.220 And once retired, you know, former Prime Ministers write their memoirs and tell inoffensive war stories to Rotarians.

00:20:46.560 And they stay out of domestic politics most of the time.

00:20:49.520 But not Chrétien or Harper in recent days.

00:20:52.080 They don't think Trump is faking it.

00:20:55.280 This week, Harper gave an extraordinary speech at an event in Ottawa.

00:20:59.400 And he said if he was still running things, this is what he said,

00:21:03.060 I would be prepared to impoverish the country and not be annexed if that was the option we're facing.

00:21:09.460 And then he went on and said, I would accept any level of damage to preserve the independence of the country.

00:21:15.880 And then Chrétien, who you've just heard from, and he said, let me just quote what he said to me.

00:21:22.940 He said, our independence, there's a price to pay for that.

00:21:26.000 I would pay it.

00:21:27.340 And that's exactly what Harper said.

00:21:29.140 There might be a cost to that, and we have to face it.

00:21:31.580 So that, I think, is the lesson that Pierre Polyev now is learning the hard way.

00:21:38.580 He seems to feel that it's still a head fake.

00:21:42.600 We'll see.

00:21:43.580 You know, his speech on Saturday was pretty good.

00:21:46.860 We talked about that on CFRA this week.

00:21:48.840 Like, when our country's under attack, Pierre, we want, desperately, we want a leader to rally behind,

00:21:57.960 not a guy who likes to sneer that the country is broken.

00:22:02.100 Like, it may be flooding the zone, folks, but it's not a head fake anymore.

00:22:06.340 It feels pretty real, don't it?

00:22:08.120 Our former ally and friend is coming after us hard.

00:22:11.700 And as one of my political friends, proud conservative, said to me on Thursday night

00:22:16.480 when I was giving a talk at the Military Institute, felt like the right place to give that talk,

00:22:22.300 he said to me and some other people,

00:22:24.680 you know, when one of us gets hit from behind, we all go over the boards to defend them.

00:22:30.900 Because if one of us falls, we all fall.

00:22:41.700 God, keep our land glorious and free.

00:22:53.680 Oh, Canada, we stand on the ground for Thee.

00:23:04.840 Oh, Canada, we stand on the ground for Thee.

00:23:18.480 And we're back.

00:23:20.240 And what you just heard was the anthem of Canada, obviously,

00:23:27.440 being sung louder than I think I've ever heard it be sung

00:23:32.000 in Montreal, Quebec, Canada,

00:23:35.340 which is something you don't often hear in Montreal, Quebec, Canada.

00:23:39.580 In fact, in some past years, I recall,

00:23:43.180 and so does my friend Brian Lilly, who's also lived in Quebec,

00:23:46.620 the national anthem being booed.

00:23:49.220 But last night at the Four Nations Championship, that didn't happen.

00:23:55.460 Brian, what happened last night?

00:23:57.000 Well, it appears that a bunch of far-right wackos filled the arena

00:24:03.780 and cheered on the Canadian anthem,

00:24:06.640 which is a symbol of our oppressive white supremacist post-national state.

00:24:13.900 Look, that was an incredibly loud rendition,

00:24:18.200 an incredibly proud rendition.

00:24:19.820 And you're right, that doesn't always happen in Montreal.

00:24:23.920 Well, I've heard it booed.

00:24:29.320 Unfortunately, we booed the American anthem,

00:24:31.480 and then we lost to them 3-1.

00:24:33.180 I would have preferred winning than booing.

00:24:35.880 Yeah.

00:24:37.000 But, you know, the guys played well,

00:24:38.980 but the Americans just beat us last night.

00:24:41.040 They were the better team because it was 3-1.

00:24:45.080 But there's obviously something taking hold in the country.

00:24:48.920 As I've expressed in my columns,

00:24:52.660 I would prefer a patriotism built on love of Canada

00:24:56.140 rather than hatred of Donald Trump,

00:24:58.280 which seems to be the case for some.

00:25:01.900 But that is incredibly remarkable

00:25:05.300 for that to happen in Montreal, of all places.

00:25:07.860 In Toronto, I wouldn't be shocked.

00:25:09.960 In Calgary, I wouldn't be shocked.

00:25:11.400 In Montreal, that shocking.

00:25:12.980 Yeah, no, it was very powerful.

00:25:14.960 Very powerful indeed.

00:25:16.040 So the politicians are all being political, including...

00:25:21.520 Did you see Justin Trudeau and Pierre Polyev were there last night?

00:25:25.040 Yeah.

00:25:25.480 No, and it was good to see...

00:25:26.460 You know, I...

00:25:27.540 Well, maybe I'll ask you to comment on this.

00:25:29.380 We'll get into Polyev's speech then.

00:25:32.340 I thought Polyev's speech went too long.

00:25:34.980 I felt badly for him.

00:25:35.920 He was happening on the same day as the hockey game.

00:25:37.940 However, he and Trudeau and Harper and Kretzian...

00:25:42.100 We're going to talk about Kretzian in a minute.

00:25:44.880 We're all saying the same thing now, and it's really good.

00:25:48.620 You know, they're saying, you know,

00:25:50.120 even if we have to impoverish the country a bit,

00:25:53.000 even if we have to endure a lot of hardship,

00:25:55.400 we need to defend our sovereignty.

00:25:57.260 I think that's kind of, to sound corny,

00:26:00.060 a wonderful moment that everybody's coming together

00:26:03.400 on the same position on at least that.

00:26:05.800 What do you think?

00:26:06.360 You and I have both listened to politician speeches,

00:26:12.880 and I know you worked as a journalist for a while,

00:26:15.600 and sometimes you listen to a politician speech,

00:26:17.520 and you think, oh, my God, what am I going to quote here?

00:26:20.400 Like, it's such a dud.

00:26:21.500 There's nothing.

00:26:22.860 Whereas that, I was like, oh, my God,

00:26:24.440 what am I going to quote here?

00:26:25.740 There's so much.

00:26:26.920 It was whoever wrote the speech, give them a raise.

00:26:30.400 It was an incredible expression of positive patriotism,

00:26:38.460 love of the country,

00:26:41.000 defending our country without, you know,

00:26:46.520 punching the other guy in the nose.

00:26:47.900 But, you know, definitively saying,

00:26:51.220 as he has several times,

00:26:52.420 including in interviews with me,

00:26:54.180 that Canada won't be the 51st state,

00:26:56.240 and here's why.

00:26:58.060 And here are the options.

00:26:59.520 If you want to go down this road,

00:27:01.180 it'll be rougher for you,

00:27:03.300 or we can come to a deal,

00:27:05.040 and we can work together.

00:27:06.000 Like Sean Cretchen said when you were talking to him.

00:27:11.160 Like I said, I really do like a positive patriotism

00:27:16.560 rather than the angry, ugly Canadian

00:27:20.820 that we're seeing quite often.

00:27:23.580 You know, I saw Doug Saunders from the Globe and Mail yesterday

00:27:28.680 saying that Canadians don't wave the flag,

00:27:33.260 and that's not really a patriotic expression in his view.

00:27:37.040 He doesn't like flag waving.

00:27:38.520 He doesn't like the Canadian flag.

00:27:39.800 He prefers just booing the American anthem

00:27:41.740 as a sign of patriotism.

00:27:43.440 I'm like, okay, far left wacko,

00:27:45.440 who's spent most of his life living outside the country,

00:27:47.720 go to hell.

00:27:48.860 I liked what Paulyev said.

00:27:50.600 I liked how they did it.

00:27:53.140 You know, the way I'm describing the ugly Canadian,

00:27:57.240 I mean, Freeland's campaign reacted to Paulyev

00:27:59.440 by saying, oh, look, he's out in front of the flag.

00:28:02.260 Who else does that?

00:28:04.480 And showed a video of Donald Trump.

00:28:06.700 Let's be proud of our country.

00:28:08.320 Let's be proud of our flag.

00:28:10.200 How is cheering on your country

00:28:12.740 in front of a giant Canadian flag on Flag Day

00:28:15.720 an Americanism?

00:28:17.800 I don't get it.

00:28:18.800 Well, I agree with you on that,

00:28:20.080 but is it fair to say to Canadians

00:28:21.860 who are genuinely afraid,

00:28:24.660 they're angry, they're upset,

00:28:26.840 they're anxious, all of the words,

00:28:29.280 all of those words,

00:28:30.220 is it right to call them ugly?

00:28:32.660 I don't think they're being ugly.

00:28:34.340 I think they're being human beings

00:28:35.700 and reacting in the way that human beings sometimes do.

00:28:40.700 Like...

00:28:41.060 Yeah, but we all talk about the ugly American,

00:28:44.280 like the ugly American tourist

00:28:45.380 who's brash and arrogant, right?

00:28:48.020 There is an element of that

00:28:50.280 in certain parts of Canadian society

00:28:52.640 that it doesn't take much.

00:28:54.920 And I know, like, look,

00:28:55.880 this is a big threat coming from the Americans

00:28:57.700 and I understand people being anxious

00:28:59.440 and lashing out.

00:29:00.760 But that part of Canadian society

00:29:03.380 where everything is based on anti-Americanism,

00:29:06.860 hatred of America.

00:29:08.140 I've never defined myself as a Canadian

00:29:10.100 or defined this country

00:29:11.460 in opposition to America.

00:29:13.900 I've never said,

00:29:15.360 well, we're just like Americans

00:29:17.280 but without guns and with healthcare.

00:29:20.120 I've never liked that description.

00:29:21.880 We are a different country.

00:29:23.140 We're a different culture.

00:29:25.860 But there is a big chunk of that.

00:29:28.860 You know, it goes back

00:29:29.440 to the United Empire loyalists

00:29:30.920 and it's never left

00:29:31.860 where anything from America

00:29:37.560 is automatically awful and evil

00:29:39.460 as they watch the Super Bowl

00:29:40.740 and things like that.

00:29:43.440 That's what I'm talking about

00:29:44.660 when I say the ugliness

00:29:47.000 on the Canadian side.

00:29:49.620 All right.

00:29:49.820 Well, politics has continued

00:29:51.340 and fair enough.

00:29:52.560 Politics has continued,

00:29:54.100 as you pointed out a couple minutes ago.

00:29:57.020 I think the Tories have got a dumb ad

00:29:59.640 making an allegation against Carney

00:30:01.960 that they didn't come up

00:30:03.240 with the proof with yet.

00:30:05.580 Liberals have one good ad on Paliyev.

00:30:09.280 We'll talk about that in a second

00:30:10.500 and a dumb one on security clearances.

00:30:13.440 Freeland's got the worst one.

00:30:15.000 So it feels like everybody believes

00:30:17.700 that there's going to be

00:30:18.220 an election this spring.

00:30:19.860 A lot of ads flying around.

00:30:21.760 The reason why I thought

00:30:23.040 the one liberal one worked

00:30:25.380 is this pivot

00:30:27.140 that Pierre Paliyev

00:30:28.860 has attempted to make

00:30:29.900 in his speech

00:30:30.960 and maybe he will pull it off

00:30:32.340 but going from saying

00:30:34.220 Canada is broken

00:30:35.280 to Canada first

00:30:36.600 because that seems like

00:30:38.600 an inconsistency

00:30:39.520 to a lot of people.

00:30:40.960 What do you think?

00:30:41.560 Do you think that

00:30:42.240 that's something

00:30:43.380 he'll be able to do

00:30:44.440 because at this point

00:30:45.440 I think the jury is out.

00:30:47.820 I think he'll be able to do it

00:30:49.600 because look,

00:30:51.080 when he was saying

00:30:51.620 Canada was broken,

00:30:53.240 he was right.

00:30:54.560 How long was it taking people

00:30:56.000 to get their passports?

00:30:57.000 Remember people waiting

00:30:57.900 months and months

00:30:58.780 just to get a passport?

00:31:00.420 Paying people to line up

00:31:01.720 in front of the passport office

00:31:03.060 to hold your spot

00:31:04.680 so that you could get a passport?

00:31:06.920 The immigration system

00:31:08.300 being broken,

00:31:09.340 housing costs doubling.

00:31:11.780 All of those things

00:31:12.960 still remain true

00:31:14.100 and calling for them

00:31:16.380 to be better

00:31:16.980 doesn't mean that you're saying

00:31:18.280 Canada sucks

00:31:19.440 but you are saying

00:31:20.900 the country is broken

00:31:21.720 and we need to fix it.

00:31:22.800 And I just want to comment

00:31:25.700 on this Canada First thing.

00:31:27.680 The Liberal Party's

00:31:29.200 official Twitter account.

00:31:31.140 Again,

00:31:32.120 he's saying

00:31:32.620 Canada First,

00:31:33.920 Canada Last,

00:31:34.960 Canada Always.

00:31:36.380 And the official account

00:31:37.880 of the Liberal Party

00:31:38.760 tried to claim

00:31:39.480 that this Canada First thing

00:31:41.280 is some far right thing.

00:31:43.540 He's like,

00:31:44.080 wait a minute,

00:31:45.240 don't you know

00:31:45.820 who he's quoting?

00:31:46.480 I think you guys

00:31:48.520 have a club name form

00:31:49.760 for your top donors.

00:31:50.900 It's a Laurier.

00:31:52.020 And I pointed this out on X

00:31:53.780 and people were saying,

00:31:54.920 oh, you think

00:31:55.460 Pierre Paglias

00:31:56.120 is quoting Laurier?

00:31:57.360 You think he knows

00:31:58.020 who Laurier is?

00:31:59.380 You've got to listen

00:32:00.000 to Paglias' speeches.

00:32:01.180 He quotes Laurier

00:32:01.920 all the time.

00:32:02.820 He talks about Laurier

00:32:03.520 all the time.

00:32:04.160 It's true.

00:32:05.360 From the Canada First

00:32:06.800 to his

00:32:08.020 Canada is free

00:32:09.720 and freedom

00:32:10.260 is its nationality.

00:32:12.100 He talks about

00:32:12.860 the story

00:32:14.380 that is embodied

00:32:15.740 in a statue

00:32:16.440 in downtown Saskatoon

00:32:17.660 which I've seen

00:32:18.660 many times.

00:32:20.500 And if you haven't

00:32:20.940 been to downtown Saskatoon,

00:32:22.400 what's keeping you

00:32:22.960 from going to the

00:32:23.520 Paris of the Prairies?

00:32:25.640 And the story

00:32:26.840 is that Laurier

00:32:29.020 is visiting Saskatoon

00:32:30.420 and there's a young boy

00:32:31.600 selling newspapers

00:32:32.420 who stops to talk to him

00:32:33.560 and his name

00:32:33.920 is John Diefenbaker.

00:32:35.240 Wow.

00:32:35.780 And he wants to grow up

00:32:38.280 and be Prime Minister

00:32:39.040 and they chat for a minute

00:32:40.040 and eventually Diefenbaker

00:32:41.720 says,

00:32:42.060 sorry, Mr. Laurier,

00:32:42.800 I have to get back

00:32:43.460 to selling my newspapers.

00:32:44.940 There's customers here.

00:32:46.500 Go on.

00:32:46.940 And Laurier

00:32:47.180 had told the story

00:32:49.920 and it turns out

00:32:50.940 to be Dief.

00:32:51.580 So he talks about

00:32:53.120 Laurier a lot

00:32:53.960 and he goes back

00:32:54.560 to Canada's history

00:32:55.520 quite a bit.

00:32:56.400 I think he'll be able

00:32:57.300 to pull it off

00:32:59.120 because people still sense

00:33:00.400 that the country

00:33:00.980 isn't working right.

00:33:02.540 And now you've got

00:33:03.980 the Liberal leadership

00:33:05.600 basically saying

00:33:07.240 they want to reverse

00:33:07.960 everything.

00:33:09.800 As you and I

00:33:10.620 discussed last week,

00:33:11.600 our front page

00:33:12.260 last weekend was

00:33:13.940 we were wrong

00:33:14.780 about everything,

00:33:15.780 but please re-elect us.

00:33:18.380 They're against

00:33:19.060 the carbon tax,

00:33:19.880 they're against

00:33:20.200 the capital gains

00:33:21.460 tax inclusion rates,

00:33:22.600 they're against

00:33:23.000 everything that they've

00:33:23.840 done for the last

00:33:24.520 nine years.

00:33:26.640 So I think you can

00:33:28.820 thread the needle.

00:33:30.040 And that's the pivot

00:33:30.980 that they've got to make,

00:33:33.640 absolutely.

00:33:34.560 And God bless

00:33:35.140 Diefenbaker

00:33:35.720 for selling newspapers.

00:33:37.080 We need more of that.

00:33:37.860 Yeah, so I wanted to

00:33:39.680 conclude, well I did

00:33:40.460 really want to talk

00:33:41.360 about Jean Chrétien

00:33:42.160 because it's kind of

00:33:42.960 important that he's

00:33:43.860 on this week's show.

00:33:46.000 Very good chat.

00:33:47.420 Yeah, what did you

00:33:48.000 think?

00:33:48.380 Just a quick reaction

00:33:49.500 to what Mr. Chrétien

00:33:50.600 does say.

00:33:52.220 I liked how you asked

00:33:54.080 him why Trump's doing

00:33:55.020 it and he says,

00:33:55.540 I don't know.

00:33:56.640 And he gave a bit

00:34:00.720 of history and it was

00:34:01.880 good.

00:34:02.240 Look, on the point

00:34:03.420 of the Americans will

00:34:05.120 pay the cost of the

00:34:07.040 tariffs,

00:34:08.260 you know,

00:34:08.640 one thing that I heard

00:34:09.960 several times from

00:34:11.100 Americans while I was

00:34:12.180 in Washington was the

00:34:14.800 belief that they don't

00:34:15.760 think that the tariffs

00:34:16.800 will drive up

00:34:18.260 inflation.

00:34:18.780 First off,

00:34:19.640 speaking with Senator

00:34:20.900 Kevin Kramer from

00:34:22.080 North Dakota,

00:34:22.820 he doesn't think these

00:34:23.920 25% ones will last,

00:34:25.820 but there is support

00:34:26.760 for a baseline

00:34:28.080 tariff for everything

00:34:29.320 from every country.

00:34:31.320 There's a support

00:34:32.500 growing for what they

00:34:33.360 call a universal

00:34:34.080 tariff of about 10%

00:34:35.460 as a way to raise

00:34:37.460 money,

00:34:38.040 lower taxes for

00:34:38.940 Americans and make

00:34:41.020 other countries pay.

00:34:42.020 Well,

00:34:42.500 won't that lead to more

00:34:43.460 inflation?

00:34:44.260 They believe it will

00:34:44.900 boost their dollar and

00:34:46.800 lower everyone else's

00:34:47.780 currency,

00:34:48.220 at which point,

00:34:48.800 no,

00:34:49.000 we're the ones paying.

00:34:50.240 They have more

00:34:50.940 purchasing power,

00:34:51.880 we have less.

00:34:52.620 in effect,

00:34:54.060 the impact goes on us.

00:34:56.620 And that's the theory

00:34:58.060 behind it.

00:34:58.900 That wouldn't work if

00:34:59.860 the tariff is 25%

00:35:01.080 across the board,

00:35:02.140 but it would work at

00:35:03.180 10.

00:35:04.240 And,

00:35:04.720 you know,

00:35:05.540 speaking to people in

00:35:06.400 our industry,

00:35:07.220 they wouldn't love a 10%

00:35:08.800 tariff,

00:35:09.400 but if everyone else

00:35:11.240 was getting it,

00:35:12.120 they could probably work

00:35:13.380 with it.

00:35:13.960 It's happened before.

00:35:15.540 Yeah.

00:35:16.600 It is just the erratic

00:35:19.060 nature of everything

00:35:20.880 that's driving folks

00:35:21.800 nuts.

00:35:22.340 So on Thursday,

00:35:24.400 I was still in

00:35:25.060 Washington,

00:35:25.460 and I was supposed to

00:35:26.700 be writing about one

00:35:27.580 thing,

00:35:28.620 and Trump was going

00:35:30.980 to be signing an

00:35:32.320 executive order on

00:35:33.440 reciprocal tariffs,

00:35:34.560 which he was,

00:35:38.840 I thought he was

00:35:39.660 just going after

00:35:40.420 the EU and India.

00:35:42.860 And,

00:35:43.620 you know what,

00:35:44.020 that actually makes

00:35:45.280 sense.

00:35:45.600 When you look at it

00:35:46.320 and how we described

00:35:47.300 it and laid it out,

00:35:48.760 it was,

00:35:49.620 you know,

00:35:49.840 okay,

00:35:50.160 we charge a 5%

00:35:51.200 tariff on this

00:35:51.920 good from India.

00:35:52.800 India charges 100%.

00:35:54.080 You're either going

00:35:54.880 to match us

00:35:55.420 or we're going

00:35:55.860 to match you.

00:35:56.860 And they detailed

00:35:57.680 that on various

00:35:58.800 products in the EU

00:36:00.040 and India who are,

00:36:01.300 both have some

00:36:01.980 very high tariffs

00:36:02.940 of like 40%

00:36:03.720 to 100%.

00:36:04.540 on American goods.

00:36:06.260 And then in the

00:36:07.120 middle of that,

00:36:08.660 out comes the

00:36:09.340 left hook and

00:36:10.860 Canada gets hit

00:36:11.660 again over the

00:36:12.280 digital services tax,

00:36:13.540 which we weren't

00:36:14.080 expecting,

00:36:14.800 and I had to shift

00:36:15.440 gears and write

00:36:16.900 about that.

00:36:17.980 You just never know

00:36:19.320 when something is

00:36:19.980 going to come out

00:36:20.460 with this guy.

00:36:21.320 No one was expecting

00:36:22.120 that to be part of

00:36:22.880 that executive order

00:36:23.840 or for us to be hit

00:36:25.300 or for him to say,

00:36:26.640 we're going to be

00:36:28.140 studying whether a

00:36:28.920 value-added tax is,

00:36:30.600 in effect,

00:36:31.020 a tariff.

00:36:32.100 Now,

00:36:32.420 hopefully,

00:36:32.920 again,

00:36:33.180 that's just on the

00:36:33.980 EU,

00:36:34.860 which charges

00:36:35.860 some things

00:36:36.520 that we don't

00:36:37.980 with the GST

00:36:39.020 because the GST

00:36:39.680 is a value-added tax.

00:36:41.600 They charge it

00:36:42.520 in different ways

00:36:43.100 that the Americans

00:36:43.660 say is unfair.

00:36:46.380 Our GST has been

00:36:47.240 through the free

00:36:48.260 trade agreement,

00:36:48.980 NAFTA,

00:36:49.620 you smack out

00:36:50.200 Kuzma,

00:36:50.560 whatever you want

00:36:51.040 to call it,

00:36:51.880 and this has not

00:36:53.340 been an issue.

00:36:54.500 But,

00:36:54.860 again,

00:36:55.520 with him being erratic,

00:36:56.700 you just never know.

00:36:57.680 so this is the problem.

00:37:00.600 If everything calmed

00:37:01.800 down and they said,

00:37:05.640 okay,

00:37:05.940 universal 10% tariff,

00:37:07.500 we would all adjust.

00:37:08.680 but I've got an interview

00:37:11.420 with Steve Bannon,

00:37:12.300 his former chief strategist,

00:37:13.700 that's going to come out

00:37:14.520 on Monday.

00:37:15.240 Was he out of jail?

00:37:16.280 He's out of jail now.

00:37:17.580 Okay,

00:37:17.920 good.

00:37:18.400 That's nice.

00:37:19.060 I was sitting with him

00:37:20.520 on Thursday

00:37:21.020 asking him what's going on

00:37:22.800 because he does understand

00:37:24.060 how Trump thinks.

00:37:25.860 And so I was like,

00:37:26.680 okay,

00:37:27.140 what's the deal?

00:37:28.600 And he was describing it

00:37:30.920 as,

00:37:31.280 you know,

00:37:32.740 erraticism

00:37:33.440 and thunderbolts

00:37:34.520 just coming out

00:37:35.340 of the sky at you

00:37:36.140 at every turn.

00:37:38.900 That's a good way

00:37:39.760 of describing it.

00:37:40.220 Keeping everyone off balance.

00:37:41.280 Well,

00:37:41.640 we've got coming out

00:37:42.520 of the sky right now,

00:37:43.420 at least where you and I are,

00:37:45.140 in our time zone,

00:37:46.280 lots and lots of snow,

00:37:47.620 so I'm going to go out

00:37:48.360 and shovel it.

00:37:49.060 You,

00:37:49.360 fortunately,

00:37:49.840 don't have to do that

00:37:50.760 so much,

00:37:51.440 but you do have to figure out

00:37:52.420 a way to walk Chloe,

00:37:53.540 so hopefully you can do it.

00:37:54.160 I'm a downtown urban elitist,

00:37:56.760 so I don't shovel snow.

00:37:58.600 I live here in my 15-minute city.

00:38:01.320 Well,

00:38:01.720 enjoy that.

00:38:02.860 Enjoy the 15-minute city

00:38:04.160 and not so much the snow.

00:38:05.680 Brian Lilly,

00:38:06.260 have a great day

00:38:06.840 and a great week.

00:38:08.260 You too.

00:38:08.580 You too.

00:38:19.060 All the small things

00:38:29.540 True care

00:38:31.120 Truth brings

00:38:32.820 I'll take

00:38:34.320 One lift

00:38:35.880 One lift

00:38:35.900 Your ride

00:38:37.540 Best trip

00:38:39.060 Always

00:38:40.140 I know

00:38:42.300 You'll be

00:38:43.760 At my show

00:38:45.420 Watching

00:38:46.660 Waiting

00:38:48.540 Commiserating

00:38:51.760 Say it ain't so

00:38:53.820 I will not go

00:38:55.520 Turn the lights off

00:38:57.060 Carry me on

00:38:58.380 Late night

00:39:25.880 Come home

00:39:27.660 Work sucks

00:39:29.180 I know

00:39:30.820 She left me roses

00:39:32.800 By the stairs

00:39:34.680 Surprises

00:39:35.900 Let me know

00:39:36.540 She cares

00:39:37.580 Say it ain't so

00:39:39.360 I will not go

00:39:41.040 Turn the lights off

00:39:42.600 Carry me home

00:39:43.980 And take

00:39:46.540 You can't

00:39:50.560 They'll be

00:39:51.480 Tie

00:39:55.680 interpreted

00:39:57.120 Write me

00:39:58.100 Say it ain't so

00:39:59.560 It ain't so

00:40:00.540 Youvä

00:40:01.240 Can't

00:40:01.860 Wanna

00:40:02.520 Love

00:40:03.080 It ain't so

00:40:04.120 I just

00:40:05.060 Know

00:40:05.300 In

00:40:05.780 You

00:40:06.260 Ji

00:40:07.700 rau

00:40:08.800 Wanna

00:40:09.720 Action

00:40:10.220 samh

00:40:10.940 All後

00:40:11.320 Play

00:40:12.880 Say it ain't so, I will not go

00:40:26.260 Turn the lights off, carry me home

00:40:29.500 Keep your head still, I'll be more through

00:40:32.760 The night will go on, a little bit new

00:40:36.040 Say it ain't so, I will not go

00:40:39.300 Turn the lights off, carry me home

00:40:42.380 Keep your head still, I'll be more through

00:40:45.820 The night will go on, a little bit new

00:40:50.780 And welcome to it. It will not be as exciting as the four nations face off, but we'll do our best here this morning on the CFRN Live City Political Panel. Joining us, the president at Traction Strategies, he is Carl Belanger. Good morning, Carl.

00:41:06.240 Morning, Andrew.

00:41:07.260 Strategist and post-media columnist. You can read his latest in the Toronto Sun. He is Warren Kinsella. Warren, good morning.

00:41:12.380 Morning, everybody.

00:41:13.660 And Tasha Carradine, political columnist for the National Post and author and a writer for GZero Media. Tasha, good morning.

00:41:19.000 Good morning.

00:41:19.660 I think a lot of Canadians getting a lot of aggression out last night and watching that Canada-US game. I wanted to leave the US-Canada side just for a second here because obviously here in Ottawa we did see Pierre Polyev speak yesterday. A big crowd for his Canada First campaign and a little bit of changing of the message a little bit here. Going after the US, going after Donald Trump a little bit. Tasha, I kind of set this up yesterday in a sense of this is a very fraught time for Pierre Polyev right now in terms of where he has to go.

00:41:49.420 It's a tightrope right now. I think the speech was pretty good. Do you think he met the moment that was needed right now for Canada?

00:41:55.780 Well, I think he did in the sense that he has to stand up for Canada. He has to be that Captain Canada if he is going to win the next election because that's what Canadians are looking for.

00:42:08.740 And the National Post actually talked to a number of people who were standing outside the event and they were kind of split. Many of them were saying, you know, we've got to go beyond axe attacks, but others didn't want to completely leave the cost of living issues in the background.

00:42:25.140 And I think he sort of, he straddled that line. He didn't completely abandon all the old positions because if he did, it would be far too abrupt a transition.

00:42:33.560 And I think one of the things is, is that now the existential threat to our standard of living isn't what came before. It's what's coming next. It's Donald Trump.

00:42:42.900 So I think talking about that stuff isn't bad, but I personally don't think axe attacks should be a slogan for this election. So, you know, I think he has to pivot further.

00:42:52.540 I think it was the start of it because he knows and the party knows that they have to move somewhere else if they're going to have a chance to win, which everyone thought it was an automatic get. Now it's not.

00:43:04.140 I do think it was interesting, though. He never mentioned Christopher Freeland. Everyone assumes it's Mark Carney. And turning the attacks to Carney, I, this is where I think the conservatives have to be a bit careful because the attacks they're putting out sound very Trumpian.

00:43:18.340 It's a very much, you know, go for the jugular, attacking a person of integrity with, you know, complete viciousness. And that viciousness, the style, the tone, that I think they have to really watch and he has to watch going forward.

00:43:31.740 Yeah. And you can see the liberal ads to counter that, right? They're very much trying to paint him as Trump. So it's kind of playing into their hands.

00:43:38.960 Just a quick one on that idea of the axe attacks. Are we kind of in the shift here? Is that kind of an old battle in your mind? He's kind of kind of get set for the new battle here?

00:43:48.260 Well, this is the thing. I think personally it is. And that's why the carbon tax Carney stuff doesn't, you know, it's it sounds a bit hackneyed, to be honest.

00:43:57.120 It's like trying to fight that old battle, keep it alive. I think they're going to have to move to a full on, you know, nationalistic, what do we do with Canada move.

00:44:07.520 But like I said, they're making that transition. If they just if they just junked everything immediately, I think it would it would see it would seem more artificial, but, you know, it seemed seem more calculated than it is.

00:44:19.720 There you go.

00:44:20.120 And Carl, just in terms of kind of changing and pivoting in some way, does this represent in your mind a full pivot? Is this a tweak? Did they make the turn successfully? Just what's your read on this situation?

00:44:31.600 Yeah, I don't think it's a full pivot yet. I mean, the ad just ran on the air about carbon tax Carney and running a few times this morning, I might add. But anyway, exactly.

00:44:42.680 So so that's still their core message. They're trying to pivot because there's something that's shifted in the polls on, you know, on top of the intentions before Christmas, before the old days, when you ask Canadians who's best position to face Donald Trump and to handle that relationship with the United States, Pierre Poirier was coming on top.

00:45:03.620 No, no, no, no longer. And I think it's because of Trump's aggressiveness. In the past, people thought, well, Poirier is kind of, you know, coming from the same mold.

00:45:15.900 Conservative will get better, will get along better with Republicans than Justin Trudeau and the liberals.

00:45:21.580 But but but but now Trump is so aggressive that why do we need his buddy in power here?

00:45:28.280 And that shift, they need an answer to. And so far, the answer has been to try to sound like Trump. Right.

00:45:36.220 So we replace make America great again with Canada first and we're fighting fire with fire.

00:45:41.900 Not sure it's going to work. Not sure that's what Canadians are looking for.

00:45:45.640 But at least they're they're realizing that the ballot question might have shifted.

00:45:50.540 But as Tasha said, they're trying to keep it alive because it's worked so well for them, this carbon tax issue.

00:45:56.660 Well, in two things, Carl, because you mentioned the ads as well, which is clear that, you know, they consider Mark Carney a threat.

00:46:02.000 But a specific Leger poll this week talking about, you know, who would work best with the Americans.

00:46:06.840 Paulie did come in at first at 22 percent, but then you've got Carney right at 20 percent.

00:46:11.260 So is Carney the threat that that he looks like he is to the Conservative Party right now?

00:46:17.580 Well, he is the threat, but he's also the flavor of the month.

00:46:20.440 I mean, this is what happens when you have a very unpopular leader that Canadians were starting to despise and certainly didn't want to vote for, resign and being replaced by somebody that people don't actually know.

00:46:33.620 He remains he remains to be framed by by the opposition, by Canadians.

00:46:38.200 People don't know who Mark Carney is.

00:46:40.420 They don't know what he actually stands for.

00:46:42.160 But he is the brand new guy who, you know, can change things.

00:46:49.260 And that narrative for change is the one that the Conservatives owned before Trudeau resigned.

00:46:55.860 So sometimes in politics, you have to be careful what you hope for, because by getting Trudeau to go away, well, they've opened the door for a liberal comeback.

00:47:03.560 And, you know, we'll see if it lasts.

00:47:05.640 But right now, they certainly are afraid of that.

00:47:07.720 And Warren, with the speech yesterday, just on the, I guess, addressing the crowd there, do you think he did hit all the right notes and kind of meet the moment as he was kind of trying to there in a very fraught political time?

00:47:21.180 I think it was a good speech.

00:47:22.180 It was too long.

00:47:23.720 It was very long.

00:47:25.040 You know, he was unlucky in the sense that it happened on the same day as the hockey game.

00:47:29.460 I would argue the hockey game was actually more important than his speech.

00:47:34.320 But at the, you know, the end of it, he's still got two big problems.

00:47:39.360 The first problem is, I think it was abacus, you know, do you approve or disapprove the way the following individuals are handling their jobs?

00:47:47.100 And they asked that Donald Trump.

00:47:49.360 Liberals, 98% disapprove.

00:47:51.500 NDP, 96% disapprove.

00:47:54.060 Green Party, 97%.

00:47:55.540 Bloc Quebecois, 96%.

00:47:59.320 Conservative Party, 44%.

00:48:01.320 41% approve of Donald Trump.

00:48:04.680 So that's, that's Pierre Polyev's problem number one.

00:48:08.280 Half of his party like Donald Trump and may even want to join the United States.

00:48:14.440 And a lot of voters know it.

00:48:16.460 So that's a big, big problem.

00:48:18.200 Second problem he's got, you know, he changed the words on the, his podium, you know, and everybody was carrying the signs in both official languages.

00:48:26.160 Canada first, Canada first.

00:48:28.940 Good.

00:48:29.600 That's good.

00:48:30.340 But Pierre, you're the guy who's been saying for two years, forget about the carbon tax.

00:48:35.760 You've been saying Canada's broken.

00:48:38.220 Yep.

00:48:38.700 Canada's broken.

00:48:39.660 How can you now turn to Canada first when you've been telling us over and over and over that Canada's broken?

00:48:48.720 That's, you got to pick a lane, pal.

00:48:50.420 And you are not believable when you say that Canada is first.

00:48:56.480 Not in your mind.

00:48:57.600 And we know it because we've got the receipts.

00:49:00.160 We've got the footage.

00:49:01.440 So those are the two big problems he's got.

00:49:03.580 And it's not Carney.

00:49:04.960 It's not Freeland.

00:49:05.740 It's not anything else.

00:49:06.600 It's him.

00:49:07.500 It's the stuff he's done.

00:49:09.020 And it's his own caucus.

00:49:10.480 And just a follow on that, Warren, because it's fascinating to kind of watch as well.

00:49:14.740 But is there something to be said for Pierre Polyev?

00:49:17.720 Because now he's running the risk of also alienating, kind of getting attacked from the right, essentially.

00:49:22.000 Is there something to be said about more ground being in the center available to him and voters?

00:49:26.740 Because as you can see, Cardi has come in and he's promised whatever.

00:49:29.340 We don't really know.

00:49:30.140 But he's promised to come back to the center.

00:49:31.980 And he's had this groundswell of support.

00:49:33.860 Is that something that Pierre Polyev should heed in a sense of, you know, there's lots of room in the center if you want to make this happen?

00:49:39.260 I don't think the fight against Trump is an ideological one.

00:49:43.140 I don't think it's a left-right construct anymore.

00:49:45.700 When you have Stephen Harper, who basically still owns the Conservative Party, come out and say,

00:49:51.460 I am prepared to accept extreme hardship for Canada to defend our sovereignty.

00:49:57.220 You know, that's the moment when this is ceased to be a left-right thing.

00:50:01.400 But within Polyev's ranks, within his caucus, within his membership, and perhaps within his own brain,

00:50:08.320 there is a lot of sympathy and a lot of fondness for Donald Trump, the guy who says he wants to take us over,

00:50:14.520 the guy who says he wants to use force against us.

00:50:17.640 And the problem they've got is Canadians know it.

00:50:21.540 And if they don't know it, they suspect it.

00:50:23.880 They suspect that, you know, Polyev, for the reasons that my friends have just outlined,

00:50:28.760 Polyev's whole stylistic, that's what I always look at, is what is the style of a politician?

00:50:33.900 Polyev communicates the same way Donald Trump does, you know, the bumper sticker slogan stuff.

00:50:40.640 And it's anger all the time and never smiling and, you know, making fun of people and calling them names.

00:50:47.460 It's the same approach that Trump has got, Polyev's got.

00:50:51.920 And that is also a huge problem for the guy.

00:50:54.200 And you bring up the guy south of the border.

00:50:57.900 We obviously have to talk about that in terms of the uncertainty that we're facing right now,

00:51:01.720 because it has changed our entire political landscape, whether we like it or not.

00:51:05.380 So we did see some more steel and aluminum tariffs announced this week.

00:51:08.500 But the premiers were there in Washington trying to get somebody to listen to them, it did seem like.

00:51:14.560 Tasha, I guess, is this just putting the best face in a good situation?

00:51:17.280 It felt like they were destined for failure here.

00:51:20.420 It doesn't seem like the Trump administration even wants to listen right now.

00:51:22.840 Well, I don't know what the success they would have had would be.

00:51:26.560 I think it was more to show that, I mean, they don't speak for Canada.

00:51:30.240 They weren't going to get a deal.

00:51:31.520 They were going to, they were, their job is to make friends and influence people, right?

00:51:35.100 So they have to get into meetings with people who may have Trump's ear at some point

00:51:41.500 and influence those people to then pass along the message, kind of like a broken telephone.

00:51:46.780 I mean, they're not getting a face-to-face with Trump and they shouldn't.

00:51:48.800 That's not their role.

00:51:49.760 But, so it's impossible to gauge.

00:51:53.380 Like, they had a meeting, which their, you know, their lobbyists arranged, and then they

00:51:58.820 were told that, you know, the 51st state thing wasn't off the table, basically, that that's

00:52:02.480 still a possibility.

00:52:03.980 And don't worry, I'm repeating it.

00:52:05.900 So, you know, so clearly that it wasn't, if that was to dispel that notion, that didn't

00:52:10.820 work.

00:52:11.140 But I don't think this was like a first attempt, I don't, as long as they're united

00:52:15.420 in what they're doing, if they start freelancing individually, that's where you have a problem.

00:52:19.080 You have a Daniel Smith piece.

00:52:20.360 And to go to what Warren said, which I wanted to just jump in on with about the, you know,

00:52:24.900 the conservative base that there's part of a conservative base that does like Donald Trump.

00:52:28.880 That is a problem.

00:52:30.440 That is a serious problem.

00:52:31.160 But the problem also, because it geographically splits the country, you've got Alberta, which

00:52:39.280 is the outlier in the sense of the premiers, and that makes us weak.

00:52:43.940 That is a weakness point for the country.

00:52:45.500 Never mind for the election, it's for the country.

00:52:48.680 And that is the issue that we have to worry about.

00:52:52.380 Because if Donald Trump senses a weakness, and I've always maintained this, is that that's

00:52:56.740 the piece of the country that he'd acquire first, right?

00:52:59.220 Or he'd attempt to.

00:53:00.020 And that's the worrisome piece for me.

00:53:03.400 As a Quebecer, you know, from a Quebecer, it's still in my heart.

00:53:07.460 I look at this and I laugh because, you know, bitterly, because Quebec's always the one accused

00:53:11.900 of breaking up Confederation.

00:53:13.120 And here we are with problems on the other end of the country.

00:53:16.540 And Carl, I guess, from the perspective of the premiers here, we heard Andrew Fury come

00:53:20.260 out pretty hard here.

00:53:21.140 Kind of, everybody's just rattled by this 51st state comment, and who wouldn't be?

00:53:25.300 The premier's kind of up against the task of just trying to get anybody to listen to

00:53:28.420 them this week is, was this all about just showing the team?

00:53:31.140 Was there any accomplishments in your mind?

00:53:33.080 Or was there kind of a, I don't know, were they kind of setting themselves up for failure

00:53:36.400 if they were hoping for a deal?

00:53:38.280 Well, I think, you know, they were playing for the domestic audience first and foremost.

00:53:42.040 Right.

00:53:42.260 I don't think they imagined that they would get to meet Donald Trump and that they would

00:53:46.380 get to change his mind because ultimately that's what you have to do.

00:53:50.060 But, you know, so they're there, they get the follow-up, they're at the White House and

00:53:54.000 they're going back to their audience and they say, see, we're standing up.

00:53:58.080 And we're standing up because there's a bit of a vacuum at the federal level.

00:54:01.540 You know, and Justin Trudeau was in Europe while these guys were in Washington, right?

00:54:04.940 So people know that.

00:54:06.900 And I think that's why the premiers were, you know, somewhat effective in playing that

00:54:11.540 message domestically.

00:54:12.800 But, you know, getting to the White House and getting a meeting with the assistant to

00:54:18.220 the deputy janitor doesn't achieve anything, right?

00:54:22.160 You don't get to do anything with that.

00:54:24.960 And it looked a little desperate that they were doing that to me.

00:54:29.540 But I think, you know, there's a reason why Doug Ford is doing what he's doing, even though

00:54:35.220 there's an election campaign, is because it's working with his voters.

00:54:39.360 It's working with the people that are looking to select the next premier.

00:54:43.440 We're standing up to Trump.

00:54:44.840 That's the ballot question right now.

00:54:46.760 And he's running against Donald Trump.

00:54:48.440 So going there and with his fellow premiers, they all know that they need to fight, to show

00:54:53.760 up as the guy who's going to fight against Donald Trump.

00:54:57.180 It's true in Quebec.

00:54:58.180 It's true elsewhere in the country.

00:55:00.440 And that's why they were there.

00:55:03.400 They were not open to reverse the trend.

00:55:06.740 You know, and in fact, they're looking for friends in Washington.

00:55:10.540 And Premier Legault was in Washington for the first time in five years.

00:55:13.840 You're not going to change art and mind if you go there at the last minute because you're

00:55:18.560 desperate.

00:55:20.260 And it remains to be seen whether any minds were changed or if that was even on the table

00:55:24.300 at this point.

00:55:25.100 Just while we've got a few minutes left, I want to touch on one of the biggest, of course,

00:55:28.140 national and international stories of this week.

00:55:30.520 It is the ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine.

00:55:33.140 Obviously, after the Russian invasion here, we've seen a lot of movement on this this weekend.

00:55:36.780 It affects us here just in terms of what's happening around the world.

00:55:40.040 Right.

00:55:40.240 Warren, I'll start with you.

00:55:41.340 This idea is something that we need to take note of in terms of who are our allies around

00:55:46.260 the world, because it appears right now that there is this concerted effort south of the

00:55:50.020 border to kind of undercut the Ukrainian position in these negotiations, if we want to call it

00:55:54.820 negotiations.

00:55:56.120 Well, it's more than kind of.

00:55:57.780 That is what's happening.

00:55:59.560 And, you know, even though I knew it was coming, I think all of us knew it was coming, that the

00:56:05.160 Trump America would abandon Ukraine.

00:56:07.900 We all knew that from the moment he won the election.

00:56:11.420 It still made my blood run cold.

00:56:14.260 It felt like, and I draw this comparison on purpose, it was like the carving up of Europe

00:56:23.240 between Hitler and his opposites before the war.

00:56:28.860 That's what it feels like to me.

00:56:31.280 And I think that's what it feels like to a lot of people in Europe.

00:56:33.860 That's why Macron has now called for this emergency summit of the EU leadership to talk

00:56:39.800 about Ukraine, but also to accept what I think most people have, which is NATO is dead.

00:56:46.940 The Western alliance is dead.

00:56:49.200 It only took Donald Trump three weeks to do it.

00:56:52.180 This is why guys like me always say, you know, the veneer of civilization is very thin.

00:56:56.700 Three weeks.

00:56:58.240 That's all it's taken to blow apart NATO, international trade and a Western alliance.

00:57:04.780 That's what he's done.

00:57:06.020 And it's horrible.

00:57:07.920 We all knew it was coming, but it's just, it's just shocking to watch it unfold.

00:57:14.060 And Canada, are we ready?

00:57:16.900 We're obviously not ready, but I am happy to see Polly Ev and Carney and Trudeau, all

00:57:22.620 of them, Harper, Kretzian, they're all saying the same thing.

00:57:26.400 The past is the past.

00:57:28.520 We need to get ready for a very dark and dangerous future.

00:57:32.020 There was even, right, this notion that he should be welcomed back into the G7, which

00:57:36.760 is happening in Canada this year.

00:57:38.780 Carl, that's what I wanted to talk about was kind of the NATO fallout from this as well.

00:57:43.120 And Carl, and Warren kind of mentioned there the weakness of NATO at this moment in time,

00:57:47.200 particularly in history here.

00:57:48.500 Is it time for Canada to start searching for other allies?

00:57:51.900 Probably the time is yesterday, but do we need to start securing some allies in Europe

00:57:55.480 and other places?

00:57:56.200 Well, I think we just lost Carl.

00:58:04.120 We lost Carl.

00:58:04.720 Yeah, Tasha, I'll let you go first while we just get that sorted out.

00:58:07.040 Do you think we need to find some new allies in Europe?

00:58:10.460 Well, short answer is yes.

00:58:12.680 I mean, we have allies.

00:58:13.760 But the point is, as Warren said, the NATO alliance is kaput.

00:58:17.780 But, you know, Donald Trump has basically blown a gigantic hole because you've got Article

00:58:24.740 4, you know, in the NATO charter, which says if one country is turned on by other countries,

00:58:30.640 by anyone else, all of NATO comes to their defense.

00:58:33.400 Well, with what he's doing now, cutting Ukraine loose, essentially, he's telegraphing a message

00:58:39.920 to all the NATO countries because Ukraine was supposed to join NATO.

00:58:42.380 He said, no, they're not going to join NATO.

00:58:43.900 Forget it.

00:58:44.340 He's telegraphing a message to all the other NATO countries that, you know, you're going

00:58:48.460 to be cut loose, too.

00:58:49.900 So what's the point of NATO?

00:58:51.100 There's absolutely no point.

00:58:52.620 And what happens if Canada was attacked by the United States?

00:58:55.700 Would the rest of NATO come to our defense against a NATO member?

00:58:58.820 I mean, maybe it's time to just kick the U.S. out of NATO because, yeah, the problem is

00:59:03.640 logistically, as Europe said, they can't afford to defend themselves without the U.S.

00:59:07.360 The U.S. isn't there to defend them anymore.

00:59:09.460 So it's Hobson's choice.

00:59:11.260 And I think that's why this summit, I think they're going to have to make some really hard

00:59:14.100 choices in Canada.

00:59:15.500 We have to, you know, geographically, the problem is we are isolated on this side of the Atlantic

00:59:20.400 next to the United States.

00:59:22.440 No one from Europe is going to fly over here and defend us, right?

00:59:25.720 That's not going to happen.

00:59:27.040 So we are really stuck.

00:59:28.780 We are the canary here in the coal mine.

00:59:32.000 Forget Greenland.

00:59:32.940 They are at least, you know, approximately a little further away.

00:59:35.540 We are really stuck.

00:59:36.640 And if the Americans ever turned very dark in Warren's dark future, I don't know what

00:59:42.800 we would do.

00:59:43.680 It is very, very scary.

00:59:45.920 So I think it is a very sad moment.

00:59:49.660 You know, Hitler took 53 days to dismantle German democracy.

00:59:52.640 I think Donald Trump is on track to do it faster.

00:59:55.140 And Carl, sorry, we just got disconnected as you were giving what I assume is a very articulate

00:59:59.320 answer to our question here.

01:00:00.580 But just in terms of, is it time for Canada to solidify more NATO allies in Europe and

01:00:05.260 the like and, you know, look away from the U.S. here?

01:00:08.100 Well, absolutely.

01:00:09.100 You need to strengthen the relationship with Europe, especially the U.K. and France.

01:00:15.280 But, you know, Trump is also pushing us in that direction in terms of trade.

01:00:20.740 And this is where China, you know, is going to have to become a player in this relationship

01:00:27.560 because we can't rely on the Americans anymore.

01:00:29.960 We can't rely on the American administration.

01:00:32.200 Now, we have friends.

01:00:33.240 We have lots of friends in the United States.

01:00:36.640 And Donald Trump is one guy, but he is the big guy.

01:00:39.520 So, you know, we have to play carefully.

01:00:42.680 But we absolutely need to look at Europe, to look at the U.K., to look at France, who are

01:00:49.220 also in a pure power.

01:00:51.340 You know, Tasha is describing a very dark future that nobody would come to our aid.

01:00:56.440 I don't know.

01:00:57.340 I'm not sure.

01:00:57.900 You know, maybe we can call on the king to help us out.

01:01:01.720 I don't know.

01:01:02.740 But it's true that if the Americans decide to invade, I mean, it's going to be a very,

01:01:09.120 very difficult time for a lot of people.

01:01:11.800 But it will be also not that easy for the Americans.

01:01:15.060 That is a big country.

01:01:17.500 And, you know, as we saw last night, we have lots of spirit.

01:01:20.280 Apt, perhaps, and not in the substance, but Donald Trump quoting Napoleon yesterday on

01:01:25.420 social media.

01:01:26.020 Maybe that's apt.

01:01:26.860 We'll leave it there for today.

01:01:28.260 Carl Warren, Tasha, thank you so much for your thoughts on this this morning.

01:01:30.920 I really appreciate it.

01:01:32.160 Thank you.

01:01:32.560 Thank you.

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01:03:40.660 But you're sleep that is left without your weakness.

01:03:45.080 And it's right outside the door.

01:03:46.800 Now testify.

01:03:50.580 Now testify.

01:03:53.000 It's right outside the door.

01:03:55.000 Now testify.

01:03:58.620 Now testify.

01:03:59.800 But it's right outside the door.

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01:04:35.500 Who controls the past now?

01:04:38.120 Who controls the future?

01:04:40.040 Who controls the present now?

01:04:42.160 Who controls the past?

01:04:43.980 Who controls the past now?

01:04:46.260 Controls the future?

01:04:48.000 Who controls the present now?

01:04:50.960 Now testify.

01:04:51.960 If you're not turned on to politics, politics will turn on you.

01:05:12.980 Pierre Paulyev once seemed unstoppable, but his commanding lead is slipping.

01:05:19.540 With Donald Trump's return, Canadian voters appear weary of a leader they suspect is too closely aligned with him.

01:05:25.760 Is this just a temporary dip or the start of a serious reckoning for Mr. Paulyev?

01:05:29.900 Joining me now to discuss the issue is Warren Kinsella.

01:05:32.640 He's a Toronto-based lawyer, author and consultant, and a former special assistant to Prime Minister Jean Chrétien.

01:05:37.900 Warren, thank you for your time today.

01:05:39.780 Thanks for having me, my friend.

01:05:40.920 Before we get to Mr. Paulyev, just your thought on Donald Trump and what he has done to Canadian politics in regards to discourse, what is a priority in regards to what we talk about.

01:05:56.740 Talk to me a little bit about Mr. Trump and the impact he's had on our politics.

01:06:01.700 His impact has been greater than any American president in my lifetime.

01:06:08.340 His impact is greater than I think anybody has had on us since perhaps even World War II.

01:06:16.700 And, you know, the bad is easy to see.

01:06:19.920 He talks about us all the time as being the 51st state.

01:06:23.700 He says that we don't offer anything to the United States or the world.

01:06:30.360 He says he's going to use economic force against us.

01:06:33.980 He makes up all kinds of lies about how we are harming the United States when, in fact, we're not.

01:06:40.040 But there's one good thing that has emerged, at the risk of sounding like Pollyanna, is he's really united us.

01:06:49.080 There has been an upsurge in patriotism and, frankly, love of this country like I have also never seen in my lifetime.

01:06:58.200 And the main reason for that is people are just enraged about the things that Trump has said about us and, you know, the threats he's made with tariffs and other things.

01:07:09.760 And it's really brought people together.

01:07:11.720 And it's pretty impressive.

01:07:13.640 It's also had a big political impact, too.

01:07:16.020 Yeah, let's touch on that.

01:07:17.040 The latest Leger poll says that if the federal liberals are led by Mark Carney, one of the leadership hopefuls, the liberals are neck and neck with the federal conservative at 37 percent support.

01:07:31.460 It's hard to believe that under Justin Trudeau they were down to 16 percent support.

01:07:36.640 Do you buy this poll?

01:07:38.020 Do you buy this upsurge in liberal fortunes?

01:07:42.680 Well, my advice to people always with political polling, because they're worth what you pay for them, you know, which is you're not paying anything.

01:07:50.780 And you've got to look at a bunch of them over a period of time.

01:07:54.160 And if you look at the last six weeks, the Conservative Party has been losing support.

01:07:59.720 As you point out, at the start of the year, Justin Trudeau's Liberal Party was at 16 percentage points, according to the Angus Reid Institute.

01:08:08.540 And the Conservative Party was, you know, 30 percentage points ahead of them.

01:08:14.300 It's extraordinary.

01:08:15.260 Just a huge, huge gap.

01:08:17.080 And if an election had been held then, you know, Pierre Polyev would have had the biggest majority in Canadian history.

01:08:22.740 Well, you know, fast forward six weeks later to now, and you look at Leger.

01:08:28.240 Leger is the most accurate federal pollster.

01:08:31.880 And they came out with a poll yesterday saying that if Mark Carney was the leader of the Liberal Party, Canadians would be substantially much more likely to vote Liberal, because they think he's the best guy to deal with Donald Trump.

01:08:46.260 So right now, you know, according to Leger, the two parties are tied.

01:08:50.980 So that 30-point lead that Pierre Polyev had, it's gone.

01:08:55.080 It's a memory.

01:08:55.620 Can Mr. Polyev turn it around in your mind?

01:08:58.720 I mean, his whole attack, his whole persona is axed the tax.

01:09:03.700 It's Trudeau.

01:09:04.500 Canada is broken.

01:09:06.380 And he and his party have spent millions and millions of dollars framing that debate around Mr. Trudeau and Canada.

01:09:15.260 And it's all gone now.

01:09:17.020 Can he actually, you know, change the conversation one?

01:09:21.260 And does he have enough time to do so?

01:09:23.680 He's got a chance this week.

01:09:26.180 Starting this week, starting now, Conservatives are gathering in Ottawa for a big caucus meeting.

01:09:33.780 And then on Saturday at an arena in Ottawa, Conservative MPs, their families, staff people, there's going to be hundreds and hundreds of Conservatives in attendance.

01:09:45.680 And Polyev is going to speak with what he's calling the Canada First Rally.

01:09:50.180 This is his opportunity, I think, to start to turn it around and to stop, you know, the loss that he's experiencing against the leaderless, effectively leaderless Liberal Party.

01:10:03.280 And I think, you know, what he has to do, it's pretty straightforward.

01:10:07.080 He has to kick the stuffing out of Donald Trump.

01:10:10.320 He has to go after mega-Republicans talking about taking over Canada.

01:10:16.680 That's what people want to see from him.

01:10:18.820 And that's why he's been losing.

01:10:20.640 He's been losing ground because many voters suspect that within his caucus, within his membership, he's got a lot of people who secretly or not so secretly support Donald Trump.

01:10:34.140 They want to see him speak for Canada in the way that, you know, my former boss, Jean Chrétien, has or Stephen Harper has again this week.

01:10:42.920 That's what they want to see from Polyev.

01:10:45.180 And so far, they haven't been getting it.

01:10:48.100 But do you think he can do that?

01:10:49.900 And I looked at, there was another poll earlier, I think last week, that said that 47% of Conservative supporters think favorably, somewhat favorably, of Mr. Trump.

01:10:59.460 Can you afford to alienate even 5-10% of them for fear that they may go to the People's Party of Canada with Maxine Bernier?

01:11:07.360 Can he afford to lose those folks in the hopes that maybe there's more voters in the center that may come his way?

01:11:15.020 Well, I think that's why he's been pussyfooting around this problem for a while and hoping that, you know, people won't notice that he hasn't really condemned Donald Trump, but it isn't working.

01:11:24.940 Like, this has never happened.

01:11:26.380 I can't recall this ever happening in Canadian political history, where somebody had a 30-point lead, and they lost it in six weeks.

01:11:35.880 Like, that's never happened before.

01:11:38.220 And, like, that is going to be his legacy.

01:11:41.160 He's going to be the guy who had a 30-point lead, and he blew it because he couldn't bring himself to condemn Donald Trump.

01:11:49.400 And so that's why I think what he's doing this week in Ottawa is so important for him.

01:11:56.660 As to alienating those people in his caucus, I don't think he's got any choice.

01:12:01.740 You know, if somebody is sympathetic with Donald Trump's position after the weeks that we've gone through and the attacks that he's made on us, well, they should move south, in my opinion.

01:12:12.820 You know, they're not really Canadians, and I think that's what Polyev needs to say to them as well.

01:12:17.960 It's like, there's the doorway.

01:12:19.400 Do you think Donald Trump's so great?

01:12:21.140 Head south.

01:12:21.740 We don't need you.

01:12:22.740 Seems like a pretty existential moment this weekend.

01:12:26.080 It truly is.

01:12:27.000 And it's an opportunity for him, as all existential moments are, but, like, if they don't realize the seriousness of the situation they've got, they're being beaten by a Liberal Party that was, as you pointed out, at 16% support at the start of the year.

01:12:44.180 They're being beaten by a Liberal Party that effectively does not have a leader.

01:12:48.580 Mark Carney is not the leader yet.

01:12:50.300 Still Justin Trudeau.

01:12:51.780 And Justin's kind of checked out since he announced his resignation a few weeks ago.

01:12:55.920 It is an extraordinary situation where you're losing to a political opponent that doesn't have a leader.

01:13:03.700 But that's what's happening because people are so dissatisfied with the approach that Polyev has taken towards Trump.

01:13:09.740 He's got to get his boxing gloves on, and he's got to start taking a swipe at Trump, or, you know, this could be the end of the road for him.

01:13:17.720 Warren, as always, thank you so much.

01:13:19.600 Thanks, my friend.

01:13:25.920 We'll see you next time.

01:13:55.920 Do all I want, cause I can't, and if I don't, because I wanna

01:14:00.080 Be ignored by the stiff and the bored, because I'm gonna

01:14:07.300 Spit and retrieve, cause I give and receive, because I wanna

01:14:14.240 Gonna get through your head what the mist in my head, because I'm gonna

01:14:21.420 Hate to say I told you so, alright

01:14:28.080 Come on

01:14:31.800 Do believe I told you so

01:14:38.080 Now it's all I want, cause I wanna

01:14:49.460 Come on

01:14:50.460 Love does the plan in the path, cause I'm gonna

01:14:53.620 No need for me to

01:14:54.580 No need for me too, I'm gonna

01:14:56.580 No need for me too, wait, because I'm gonna

01:14:59.260 Because I wanna

01:15:00.600 No need to

01:15:04.940 Free too late

01:15:06.700 Because I'm gonna

01:15:07.880 Hate to say I told you so

01:15:13.840 Alright

01:15:14.260 Come on

01:15:18.260 To believe I told you so

01:15:29.260 Do what I please

01:15:43.820 Gonna spread the disease

01:15:45.520 Because I wanna

01:15:46.560 Gonna call all the shots

01:15:50.680 For the notes and the notes

01:15:52.400 Because I wanna

01:15:53.440 Dance

01:15:57.440 Everyone's all hands and past

01:16:05.260 Just all I know

01:16:06.100 I'm deaf because I wanna

01:16:07.520 Sounding back to lots of

01:16:12.100 Spend my name out loud

01:16:13.600 Because I wanna

01:16:14.640 Oh yeah

01:16:17.940 It's Ben O'Hara Byrne

01:16:41.540 In for Ben Mulroney

01:16:42.560 On this Thursday

01:16:43.340 You may have seen the polls

01:16:44.800 I don't know how much

01:16:45.400 You trust the polls

01:16:46.280 But you may have seen the polls

01:16:47.540 Of late

01:16:47.980 That show that what had been

01:16:49.380 A gargantuan conservative lead

01:16:52.760 Over the federal liberals

01:16:53.820 Has slipped away

01:16:54.860 Not entirely

01:16:55.900 They're still on their way

01:16:56.880 To a majority

01:16:58.120 But it is a slim one

01:16:59.920 And the trends are going

01:17:01.200 The wrong way

01:17:02.480 It's fell about 30%

01:17:03.940 In six weeks

01:17:05.140 If you look at some of the

01:17:06.180 Shifting going on

01:17:07.320 Part of that is the NDP

01:17:08.520 Support has kind of

01:17:10.460 Collapsed quite a bit

01:17:11.440 The Bloc Québécois

01:17:12.500 Aren't doing as well

01:17:13.220 In Quebec

01:17:13.920 The liberals have been surging

01:17:16.280 And it's odd

01:17:17.040 Because you could say

01:17:18.240 Part of it was

01:17:18.840 Justin Trudeau resigning

01:17:20.820 Or at least announcing

01:17:21.900 His resignation

01:17:22.520 But Mark Carney

01:17:24.160 Is doing really well

01:17:24.980 In these polls

01:17:25.480 Considering the fact

01:17:26.220 That I'm pretty convinced

01:17:27.140 Most Canadians

01:17:27.780 Don't know much

01:17:28.360 About Mark Carney

01:17:29.080 At all

01:17:30.120 There's going to be

01:17:31.520 A big Canada First rally

01:17:32.580 Over the weekend

01:17:33.800 Pierre Polyev's holding one

01:17:34.740 In Ottawa

01:17:35.260 Coincides with Flag Day

01:17:36.820 But they found themselves

01:17:38.460 For the first time

01:17:39.140 In quite some time

01:17:40.040 Kind of on the back foot

01:17:41.460 And my next guest

01:17:43.680 Thinks there's one person

01:17:44.740 And one person

01:17:45.260 Responsible for that

01:17:46.240 And he's not

01:17:47.360 In Ottawa

01:17:48.040 He's in Washington

01:17:48.940 Or in Florida

01:17:50.000 Warren Kinsella

01:17:51.120 Is a former special advisor

01:17:52.120 To Jean Kretze

01:17:52.740 CEO of the Daisy Group

01:17:54.000 And he joins me now

01:17:55.060 Warren thank you

01:17:55.800 Always a pleasure

01:17:56.480 Thanks my friend

01:17:58.020 This has been

01:18:00.760 An interesting shift

01:18:01.680 I can't remember

01:18:02.380 Seeing something

01:18:03.100 Change so fast

01:18:04.880 And we'll see

01:18:05.280 How long it holds

01:18:06.820 But you think

01:18:07.740 This is down to

01:18:09.240 Pierre Polyev

01:18:10.220 Has a Donald Trump

01:18:10.880 Rob right now

01:18:11.840 Yeah he's got a

01:18:13.120 Donald

01:18:13.320 Well so does the country

01:18:14.480 But yeah

01:18:15.720 At the start

01:18:16.420 At the start of the year

01:18:18.440 As you pointed out

01:18:19.580 The Liberal Party

01:18:20.740 Of Canada

01:18:21.160 Was at 16% support

01:18:23.520 And the Tories

01:18:25.060 Were 30 points ahead

01:18:26.900 According to

01:18:27.780 The Angus Reid Institute

01:18:28.840 Six weeks later

01:18:30.920 Basically

01:18:32.640 According to

01:18:33.560 Many polls

01:18:34.220 Including Leger

01:18:35.160 Who's considered

01:18:35.880 The most accurate

01:18:36.940 Federal pollster

01:18:38.320 They're tied

01:18:39.400 And when the question

01:18:41.040 Becomes

01:18:41.820 And that

01:18:42.720 This is the question

01:18:43.920 Now

01:18:44.380 Who do you want

01:18:45.700 To represent Canada

01:18:47.040 In dealing with

01:18:48.620 Donald Trump

01:18:49.360 Pierre Polyev

01:18:50.980 Loses that

01:18:52.160 That debate

01:18:53.600 By a long shot

01:18:54.840 To Mark Carney

01:18:55.960 And it's extraordinary

01:18:57.160 Because Mark Carney

01:18:57.920 Has never even

01:18:58.500 Held political office

01:18:59.640 None of us

01:19:00.620 Really know

01:19:01.120 Anything about him

01:19:02.180 No I think

01:19:03.260 Mark Carney

01:19:03.740 Could walk down

01:19:04.380 Most Canadian streets

01:19:05.300 And people might

01:19:06.020 Recognize him

01:19:06.880 Maybe

01:19:07.200 But most probably

01:19:08.600 That's what I don't

01:19:09.520 Get about

01:19:09.960 What's happened here

01:19:11.600 And why it is

01:19:12.700 That the Trump

01:19:13.780 Administer

01:19:14.300 The Trump

01:19:14.740 Arrival

01:19:15.340 I mean

01:19:15.800 It's obvious

01:19:16.740 We know

01:19:17.060 About the 51st

01:19:17.860 State

01:19:18.040 And so on

01:19:18.400 But why

01:19:18.980 It's been

01:19:20.020 Really benefiting

01:19:21.020 A party

01:19:22.000 That's been in

01:19:22.420 Power for

01:19:22.920 Nearly a decade

01:19:23.660 Now

01:19:24.020 With an outgoing

01:19:24.740 Prime minister

01:19:25.220 Who's about

01:19:25.700 As unpopular

01:19:26.180 As a prime

01:19:27.000 Minister

01:19:27.200 Can get

01:19:27.620 Well I think

01:19:28.980 The reason why

01:19:29.840 Polly

01:19:30.300 Is losing

01:19:31.180 It's three

01:19:31.840 P's

01:19:32.300 So the party

01:19:33.140 There is a

01:19:34.460 Suspicion that

01:19:35.140 Canadians have

01:19:36.060 That about

01:19:37.380 50% of the

01:19:38.980 Conservative party

01:19:39.860 Sympathize with

01:19:41.180 Trump

01:19:41.600 Or like him

01:19:42.380 And that is

01:19:43.140 Accurate

01:19:43.560 There's polling

01:19:44.120 Reflecting that

01:19:44.980 There's policy

01:19:46.120 So for example

01:19:47.160 When in the

01:19:48.460 Same week

01:19:49.080 That Trump

01:19:49.640 Is gutting

01:19:50.260 USA

01:19:50.720 And destroying

01:19:51.740 Foreign aid

01:19:52.720 From the United

01:19:53.580 States around

01:19:54.200 The world

01:19:54.720 Polly

01:19:55.560 Has a speech

01:19:56.560 And announces

01:19:57.260 Essentially to do

01:19:58.140 The same thing

01:19:58.960 Here in Canada

01:20:00.080 But I think

01:20:01.040 The big thing

01:20:01.720 Is him

01:20:02.300 Personally

01:20:02.980 I think

01:20:04.080 Canadians

01:20:04.820 Strongly suspect

01:20:05.820 That at the

01:20:07.480 End of the day

01:20:08.060 He's much more

01:20:08.980 Sympathetic

01:20:09.880 To Donald Trump's

01:20:11.260 World view

01:20:12.180 Than in opposition

01:20:13.580 To it

01:20:14.240 So he really

01:20:15.360 Needs to address

01:20:16.200 That

01:20:16.580 The Conservatives

01:20:17.440 Thousands of them

01:20:18.640 Are gathering

01:20:19.180 In Ottawa

01:20:19.740 This week

01:20:20.580 And Polly

01:20:21.740 Has got a big

01:20:22.380 Speech on

01:20:23.060 Saturday

01:20:23.700 To the

01:20:24.260 Reassembled

01:20:24.740 Conservatives

01:20:25.500 He really

01:20:26.360 Needs to do

01:20:27.080 What Stephen

01:20:27.660 Harper

01:20:28.000 Has done

01:20:28.620 And just

01:20:29.400 Come out

01:20:29.820 Very clearly

01:20:30.580 Against Trump

01:20:31.420 And say

01:20:31.780 I'm going

01:20:32.080 To fight

01:20:32.440 This guy

01:20:32.960 Because I

01:20:33.800 Think that's

01:20:34.200 The big

01:20:34.680 Reason why

01:20:35.240 He's lost

01:20:35.720 So much

01:20:36.040 Ground

01:20:36.420 Yeah

01:20:37.580 I mean

01:20:37.880 I still

01:20:38.180 Think the

01:20:38.480 Conservatives

01:20:38.900 Overall

01:20:39.360 I still

01:20:39.940 Think a

01:20:40.220 New broom

01:20:40.600 Sweeps

01:20:40.960 Clean

01:20:41.520 Is a

01:20:41.840 Pretty convincing

01:20:42.340 Argument

01:20:42.780 In the next

01:20:43.340 Election

01:20:43.660 Whenever

01:20:43.920 It may

01:20:44.320 Be

01:20:44.620 But what

01:20:45.460 Would you

01:20:45.680 Like to

01:20:45.980 See

01:20:46.260 From

01:20:46.700 Pierre

01:20:46.980 Polyev

01:20:47.500 On

01:20:47.900 Saturday

01:20:48.300 You

01:20:48.600 mentioned

01:20:48.840 I mean

01:20:49.100 Stephen

01:20:49.320 Harper

01:20:49.540 Has been

01:20:49.760 Unequivocal

01:20:50.240 He talked

01:20:50.900 About Canada

01:20:51.480 Earlier this

01:20:52.520 Week

01:20:52.680 He would

01:20:54.420 Be willing

01:20:54.740 To allow

01:20:55.400 Canada

01:20:55.740 To suffer

01:20:56.540 Not to

01:20:57.240 Be subjugated

01:20:57.960 And that

01:20:59.160 Was about

01:20:59.500 As unequivocal

01:21:00.060 As I've

01:21:00.400 Heard from

01:21:00.680 Anyone

01:21:00.960 Other than

01:21:02.060 Maybe

01:21:02.240 Jean-Cretien

01:21:03.340 I mean

01:21:03.980 It's the

01:21:04.500 Former

01:21:04.680 Prime

01:21:04.900 Ministers

01:21:05.160 Who are

01:21:05.460 Out shouting

01:21:06.420 The odds

01:21:06.820 At this

01:21:07.080 Point

01:21:07.300 Yeah

01:21:08.440 That is

01:21:08.960 What he

01:21:09.240 Needs

01:21:09.460 To do

01:21:09.820 Harper

01:21:10.160 Is showing

01:21:10.720 Him

01:21:11.020 The way

01:21:11.660 And I

01:21:11.940 Don't

01:21:12.060 Think he

01:21:12.380 Would be

01:21:12.660 Conservative

01:21:13.120 Leader

01:21:13.520 If

01:21:14.280 Harper

01:21:14.960 Hadn't

01:21:15.400 Given

01:21:15.680 Him

01:21:16.040 His

01:21:16.320 Blessing

01:21:16.820 It's

01:21:17.340 Still the

01:21:17.780 Conservative

01:21:18.300 Party of

01:21:18.980 Stephen

01:21:19.320 Harper

01:21:19.700 In many

01:21:20.360 Respects

01:21:21.860 So that's

01:21:22.780 What

01:21:22.940 Polyev

01:21:23.440 Needs

01:21:23.760 To do

01:21:24.140 And he

01:21:24.400 Needs

01:21:24.620 To show

01:21:25.020 Clearly

01:21:25.600 That he

01:21:26.580 Opposes

01:21:27.140 This man

01:21:27.920 And opposes

01:21:28.620 His policy

01:21:29.440 And he's

01:21:30.100 Going to

01:21:30.320 Fight it

01:21:30.880 If you

01:21:31.480 Know

01:21:31.600 Up to

01:21:32.160 And including

01:21:32.800 Impoverishing

01:21:34.040 The country

01:21:34.720 Because right

01:21:35.900 Now he's

01:21:36.720 Left that

01:21:37.240 Ground

01:21:37.660 He's left

01:21:38.180 That argument

01:21:38.800 Entirely

01:21:39.520 To the

01:21:39.860 Liberals

01:21:40.360 Who have

01:21:40.980 Now clawed

01:21:41.660 Back from

01:21:42.160 16 percentage

01:21:43.200 Points

01:21:43.640 To being

01:21:44.540 A realistic

01:21:45.440 Prospect

01:21:46.160 To being

01:21:46.640 Elected

01:21:47.260 For a

01:21:47.860 Fourth time

01:21:48.400 It's

01:21:48.620 Extraordinary

01:21:49.260 I've never

01:21:49.580 Seen

01:21:49.820 Anything

01:21:50.060 Like

01:21:50.340 This

01:21:50.640 In all

01:21:51.300 The years

01:21:51.660 I've been

01:21:51.980 Involved

01:21:52.320 In politics

01:21:52.840 It's

01:21:53.300 Just wild

01:21:54.360 But it's

01:21:55.080 Real

01:21:55.340 And Donald

01:21:56.040 Trump's

01:21:56.380 The reason

01:21:56.840 It's part of

01:21:58.660 The issue

01:21:58.980 Here too

01:21:59.560 And you

01:21:59.880 Alluded

01:22:00.440 To it

01:22:01.080 Earlier

01:22:01.300 I mean

01:22:01.560 Every party

01:22:02.240 In some

01:22:02.640 Way

01:22:02.800 Shape

01:22:02.980 Or form

01:22:03.300 Is a

01:22:03.560 Coalition

01:22:03.920 And when

01:22:04.620 You're

01:22:04.820 United

01:22:05.120 On something

01:22:05.640 You do

01:22:06.000 Well

01:22:06.300 And when

01:22:06.580 You're

01:22:06.740 Divided

01:22:07.080 On something

01:22:07.460 You tend

01:22:07.780 To suffer

01:22:08.200 And for

01:22:08.780 A long

01:22:09.080 Time

01:22:09.280 The conservatives

01:22:09.800 At least

01:22:10.260 Under

01:22:10.460 Pierre

01:22:10.640 Poliev

01:22:10.940 Have been

01:22:11.500 A very

01:22:11.780 United

01:22:12.240 Party

01:22:12.640 On a lot

01:22:13.220 Of issues

01:22:13.540 He's managed

01:22:13.940 To avoid

01:22:14.420 Many of

01:22:15.280 The land

01:22:15.600 Mines

01:22:15.880 That have

01:22:16.120 Brought down

01:22:16.500 Some of

01:22:16.840 His predecessors

01:22:17.480 The Trump

01:22:18.620 One's a

01:22:18.900 Difficult one

01:22:19.400 It's a

01:22:19.840 Difficult one

01:22:20.340 To navigate

01:22:20.880 Yeah and

01:22:22.680 It is

01:22:23.660 Difficult

01:22:24.160 Because you

01:22:24.760 Know I

01:22:25.020 Full disclosure

01:22:25.920 I've worked

01:22:26.660 For Hillary

01:22:27.400 Clinton

01:22:27.760 I've worked

01:22:28.220 For Kamala

01:22:29.000 Harris

01:22:29.460 I was proud

01:22:30.360 To do so

01:22:30.980 Both times

01:22:31.680 A large part

01:22:32.380 Of the reason

01:22:32.740 I did so

01:22:33.400 Is because

01:22:34.200 I opposed

01:22:34.820 This man

01:22:35.460 And but

01:22:36.780 The one thing

01:22:37.220 I've learned

01:22:37.720 About him

01:22:38.360 Is he's

01:22:38.800 Predictably

01:22:39.440 Unpredictable

01:22:40.320 You don't

01:22:40.800 Know what

01:22:41.200 He's going

01:22:41.580 To do

01:22:42.040 And you

01:22:42.960 Know all

01:22:43.220 Of us

01:22:43.500 Are back

01:22:43.880 To where

01:22:44.220 We were

01:22:44.600 Four years

01:22:45.120 Ago

01:22:45.340 Waking up

01:22:45.840 In the

01:22:46.040 Morning

01:22:46.300 And looking

01:22:46.660 At our

01:22:46.920 Devices

01:22:47.360 To see

01:22:47.760 What happened

01:22:48.320 Overnight

01:22:48.940 And so

01:22:49.760 The latest

01:22:50.240 Is you

01:22:50.840 Know tariffs

01:22:51.480 And on

01:22:52.960 Steroids

01:22:53.620 Are coming

01:22:54.100 Our way

01:22:54.660 We need

01:22:55.700 Leadership

01:22:56.220 In this

01:22:56.800 Country

01:22:57.260 Who has

01:22:58.100 A plan

01:22:58.540 To deal

01:22:58.900 With that

01:22:59.240 And I

01:22:59.720 Actually

01:23:00.060 Believe

01:23:00.440 Polly

01:23:00.780 Does

01:23:01.260 To be

01:23:01.620 Fair

01:23:02.260 To him

01:23:02.780 I think

01:23:03.380 He's

01:23:03.560 Actually

01:23:03.820 Got a

01:23:04.120 Pretty

01:23:04.300 Good

01:23:04.500 Plan

01:23:04.880 To deal

01:23:05.500 With

01:23:05.780 Tariffs

01:23:06.360 We want

01:23:07.280 To see

01:23:07.560 What's

01:23:07.840 In his

01:23:08.160 Soul

01:23:08.540 You know

01:23:09.020 We want

01:23:12.040 To work

01:23:12.380 For him

01:23:12.760 You know

01:23:13.320 I wrote

01:23:13.640 Speeches

01:23:14.060 For him

01:23:14.600 I always

01:23:15.240 Knew how

01:23:15.680 To end

01:23:16.040 Every speech

01:23:16.860 Vive

01:23:17.520 La Canada

01:23:18.120 Vive

01:23:18.840 La Canada

01:23:19.320 And he

01:23:20.240 Loved Canada

01:23:21.040 And so

01:23:21.880 Did Stephen

01:23:22.400 Harper

01:23:22.740 That's what

01:23:23.600 We need

01:23:24.080 To see

01:23:24.500 From Pierre

01:23:25.040 Polly

01:23:25.380 Instead of

01:23:26.320 All this

01:23:26.640 Crap

01:23:27.060 Going around

01:23:27.640 Saying the

01:23:28.080 Country's

01:23:28.580 Broken

01:23:28.960 It's not

01:23:29.880 Broken

01:23:30.300 It's a

01:23:30.860 Country that

01:23:31.400 Needs

01:23:31.700 Improving

01:23:32.280 But it's

01:23:32.920 The best

01:23:33.220 Country in

01:23:33.760 The world

01:23:34.080 And we

01:23:34.380 Don't

01:23:34.520 Want to

01:23:34.760 Become

01:23:34.980 The 51st

01:23:35.760 State

01:23:36.080 And we

01:23:36.700 Want Pierre

01:23:37.460 Polly

01:23:37.900 To say

01:23:38.680 That and

01:23:39.660 Show that

01:23:40.100 He means

01:23:40.540 It and he

01:23:42.040 Yeah I mean

01:23:43.200 I think

01:23:43.440 It's been

01:23:43.720 For him

01:23:44.100 He's been

01:23:44.520 So successful

01:23:45.300 With the

01:23:46.080 Strategy that

01:23:46.600 He's been

01:23:46.860 Employing for

01:23:47.400 So long

01:23:47.920 The pivot

01:23:48.580 Is tough

01:23:49.080 The pivot

01:23:49.620 Is tough

01:23:49.940 He's a

01:23:50.380 Fantastic

01:23:50.800 Parliamentarian

01:23:51.460 He's a

01:23:52.080 Very good

01:23:52.600 Opposition

01:23:53.040 Leader

01:23:53.300 Switching

01:23:54.240 Gears

01:23:54.520 And becoming

01:23:55.020 A sort

01:23:55.980 Of uniter

01:23:56.680 In chief

01:23:57.280 Is not

01:23:58.060 An easy

01:23:58.440 Thing to

01:23:58.840 Do

01:23:59.020 We've

01:23:59.220 Seen

01:23:59.360 Many

01:23:59.940 A leader

01:24:00.280 Fail at

01:24:00.780 It

01:24:00.880 Or at

01:24:01.220 Least

01:24:01.320 Struggle

01:24:01.600 To make

01:24:01.940 That shift

01:24:02.420 Yeah

01:24:03.500 And it

01:24:03.860 Reminds

01:24:04.520 Me of

01:24:04.780 Tom

01:24:05.020 Mulcair

01:24:05.440 Everybody

01:24:05.780 Running

01:24:06.120 Around

01:24:06.340 Saying he's

01:24:06.880 Great in

01:24:07.320 Question period

01:24:07.960 Great in

01:24:08.400 The House

01:24:08.580 Of Commons

01:24:09.000 The House

01:24:09.660 Of Commons

01:24:10.080 In question

01:24:10.580 Period is

01:24:11.060 What Canadians

01:24:11.640 Think is wrong

01:24:12.440 With politics

01:24:13.180 Not what's

01:24:13.700 Right

01:24:14.040 You know

01:24:14.940 And the other

01:24:15.420 Thing is

01:24:15.700 I can't

01:24:16.100 Remember the

01:24:16.560 Last time

01:24:17.000 I saw

01:24:17.320 Pierre

01:24:17.600 Polyev's

01:24:18.160 Smile

01:24:18.520 Like it's

01:24:19.740 It's a

01:24:20.080 Great country

01:24:20.880 And it's

01:24:21.180 Full of

01:24:21.500 Great people

01:24:22.300 And you

01:24:23.020 Gotta talk

01:24:23.640 It up

01:24:24.060 And you

01:24:24.320 Gotta promote

01:24:24.780 It particularly

01:24:25.440 At a time

01:24:26.160 Like this

01:24:26.620 When we're

01:24:27.040 Under attack

01:24:27.780 And he's

01:24:28.860 Not doing

01:24:29.380 That

01:24:29.720 And I think

01:24:30.560 That's one

01:24:30.980 Of the reasons

01:24:31.420 Why he's

01:24:31.860 Falling behind

01:24:32.500 Yeah we'll

01:24:33.740 See if he

01:24:34.080 Does that

01:24:34.440 On Saturday

01:24:34.940 Mark Carney

01:24:35.680 I mean

01:24:37.960 Reporting out

01:24:38.860 This week

01:24:39.160 That the

01:24:39.400 NDP

01:24:39.660 Are prepping

01:24:40.140 For an

01:24:40.420 Election

01:24:40.680 Before

01:24:41.440 Carney

01:24:42.400 Essentially

01:24:42.720 If he wins

01:24:43.160 Will pull

01:24:43.480 The plug

01:24:43.860 And go

01:24:44.140 To the

01:24:44.380 Polls

01:24:44.680 They don't

01:24:45.120 Want to

01:24:45.360 See the

01:24:46.060 Government

01:24:46.240 Fall

01:24:46.500 They want

01:24:46.800 To dictate

01:24:47.120 This

01:24:47.360 Themselves

01:24:47.800 Does that

01:24:48.480 Ring true

01:24:48.780 To you

01:24:49.040 Yeah it

01:24:50.220 Does

01:24:50.520 It didn't

01:24:51.200 You know

01:24:51.460 If you'd

01:24:51.860 Asked me

01:24:52.220 That two

01:24:52.600 Weeks

01:24:52.840 Ago

01:24:53.100 I think

01:24:53.520 That the

01:24:54.000 You know

01:24:54.600 The Carney

01:24:54.980 Guys

01:24:55.280 Would be

01:24:55.640 Trying

01:24:55.900 Doing a

01:24:56.320 Dirty

01:24:56.520 Deal

01:24:56.800 With the

01:24:57.120 NDP

01:24:57.480 Try and

01:24:58.340 Kick

01:24:58.580 The can

01:24:59.020 Down

01:24:59.240 The road

01:24:59.620 To

01:24:59.840 September

01:25:00.660 Or

01:25:00.940 October

01:25:01.300 But yeah

01:25:02.320 They'd be

01:25:02.700 Crazy now

01:25:03.340 Not to

01:25:03.700 Consider

01:25:04.080 Taking

01:25:04.520 Advantage

01:25:05.040 Of this

01:25:05.460 Anti-Trump

01:25:06.120 Sentiment

01:25:06.600 And pushing

01:25:07.560 For a

01:25:07.900 Snap election

01:25:08.600 Because right

01:25:09.540 Now

01:25:09.860 Polyev is

01:25:10.640 Back on

01:25:11.100 His heels

01:25:12.220 And the

01:25:13.100 Liberals are

01:25:13.560 Looking like

01:25:14.320 A pretty

01:25:14.620 Good option

01:25:15.180 To oppose

01:25:15.840 Donald Trump

01:25:16.460 So yeah

01:25:17.360 Things are

01:25:18.600 Changing by

01:25:19.260 The day

01:25:19.660 By the hour

01:25:20.380 But right

01:25:21.080 Now the

01:25:21.600 Odds

01:25:22.080 Favour the

01:25:22.500 Liberals

01:25:22.920 Yeah

01:25:23.860 Although we

01:25:24.580 All do

01:25:24.860 Remember

01:25:25.220 Sort of

01:25:25.560 The bumps

01:25:25.920 That Kim

01:25:26.560 Campbell

01:25:26.940 And John

01:25:27.780 Turner

01:25:28.000 Had back

01:25:28.460 In the day

01:25:28.740 Warren

01:25:28.940 It's always

01:25:29.300 A pleasure

01:25:29.600 Thank you

01:25:30.360 Thanks my friend

01:25:31.420 I see trees

01:25:43.320 Are green

01:25:44.060 Red roses too

01:25:46.780 I see them

01:25:49.180 Blue

01:25:49.780 On me

01:25:51.620 And you

01:25:52.560 And I

01:25:53.540 Sing to

01:25:54.520 My

01:25:54.900 Sing

01:25:55.420 Oh

01:25:57.600 Wonderful

01:25:58.840 Wonderful

01:25:59.840 World

01:26:00.840 I see skies

01:26:06.120 Blue

01:26:06.660 And clouds

01:26:08.960 White

01:26:09.680 Bright

01:26:11.180 Sunny

01:26:11.800 Days

01:26:12.900 Dark

01:26:14.040 Sacred

01:26:14.840 Nights

01:26:15.660 And I

01:26:16.340 Think to

01:26:17.300 My

01:26:17.760 Sing

01:26:18.380 What a

01:26:20.720 Wonderful

01:26:21.680 World

01:26:22.800 I

01:26:24.800 Love you

01:26:26.760 The

01:26:27.260 Colors

01:26:28.600 Of the

01:26:29.180 Rainbow

01:26:29.720 Also

01:26:30.400 Pretty

01:26:31.080 In the

01:26:31.960 Skies

01:26:32.800 Are also

01:26:34.120 On the

01:26:34.840 Faces

01:26:35.480 Of people

01:26:36.800 Walking by

01:26:38.260 I see

01:26:39.140 Friends

01:26:39.860 Shaking your

01:26:40.620 Hands

01:26:41.140 Say

01:26:41.760 How do you

01:26:43.380 Do

01:26:43.880 They

01:26:45.280 Really

01:26:46.020 Say

01:26:46.840 I

01:26:48.260 Love you

01:26:49.600 I

01:26:50.100 See

01:26:50.600 Babies

01:26:51.420 Cry

01:26:52.300 I

01:26:54.140 Watch

01:26:54.540 Them

01:26:54.840 Grow

01:26:55.400 They

01:26:56.740 Learned

01:26:57.280 Much

01:26:57.620 More

01:26:58.280 Than

01:26:58.840 I

01:26:59.640 Ever

01:27:00.300 Know

01:27:01.100 And I

01:27:02.040 Been

01:27:02.660 To

01:27:02.940 Myself

01:27:03.940 What a

01:27:06.400 Wonderful

01:27:07.320 World

01:27:08.100 Yes

01:27:13.140 I

01:27:13.480 Been

01:27:14.140 To

01:27:14.340 Myself

01:27:15.380 What a

01:27:17.820 Wonderful

01:27:18.720 World

01:27:20.100 World

01:27:22.100 And I

01:27:30.620 Said

01:27:31.220 To

01:27:31.540 Myself

01:27:32.780 What a

01:27:38.680 Wonderful

01:27:39.820 World

01:27:42.100 World

01:27:44.100 World

01:27:46.100 World

01:27:48.100 World

01:27:50.100 World

kinsellacast - February 16, 2025

KINSELLACAST 349 with the Rt. Hon. Jean Chretien! On Trump, tariffs and more - plus Lilley, Kheiriddin, Belanger, Johal and big hits from year 2000!

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