kinsellacast - KINSELLACAST 351： Teneycke on the political week plus Lilley, Kheiriddin, Belanger, Mraz, Mulroney, Zivo and the New York Dolls

00:00:00.000 it's the kinsella cast starring warren kinsella

00:00:08.400 hey it's warren welcome to the kinsella cast i am sad because one of my heroes from my adolescence

00:00:25.080 my punk rock solid years david johansson by this weekend and he was just like huge for us calgary

00:00:34.900 punk rockers um influenced so much of what we did so i've got him and his new york dolls uh i've

00:00:43.540 also got a bit of johnny thunders similarly an influence on us similarly now gone playing some

00:00:49.940 of his solo stuff on this week's show i've got cory tonight uh cory um has been the manager of all

00:00:58.040 three of doug ford's majority victories in the province of ontario so he's got a lot to teach

00:01:02.880 us about politics and canadian politics and ontario politics and international politics so i'll be

00:01:09.040 speaking to him he's got a man called too and that is one of the reasons why i'm sad i've got a man

00:01:14.620 call that i'm dying hear that that's me about to shuffle off this mortal coil um but selflessly

00:01:24.500 i am here to provide you with canada's best love political punk rock podcast the kinsella cast so

00:01:32.920 you're welcome also got brian lily uh talking about all things political uh john mraz is back

00:01:40.760 talking about recreate ukraine subject he knows quite a bit about my plan is to have tasha kerat

00:01:46.640 and carl blanger as well i certainly got uh ben moroni and i and adam zivo but hopefully we'll have

00:01:54.700 tasha and carl as well okay you remember from high school back when i listened to david joe hanson

00:02:03.160 chemistry class right chemistry class a litmus test was the way you check the acidity of a substance

00:02:09.960 like you dip a bit of pinkish litmus paper into some liquid and watch for the reaction

00:02:15.580 acidic is a good way to describe the insane way donald trump is treating canada these days

00:02:23.400 and in so doing trump and his administration have become a bit of a political litmus test of their

00:02:29.220 own everybody in public life is being measured by the way they deal with trump's 51st state fantasy now

00:02:37.420 so there's keir starmer the socialist british prime minister who was in washington this week to pay

00:02:44.020 uh show he's servile to the newly returned u.s president and while there he was twice asked 0.90

00:02:51.320 about trump's attack on canada and both times he revealed himself to be a chamberlain style coward 0.94

00:02:57.980 a shiftless feckless gutless wimp you you mentioned canada starmer sniffed to the reporters i think 0.93

00:03:07.080 you're trying to find a divide between us that doesn't exist oh thanks a lot like so much for 0.88

00:03:13.420 commonwealth unity go straight to hell cure the week before it was wayne gretzky those of us who grew up

00:03:21.420 in calgary and were flames fans always intensely disliked oiler wayne known locally as wine grapesky

00:03:29.920 because when grain gretzky was insufficiently pro canada which gave him everything and a bit too

00:03:37.520 pro trumpy who didn't give him everything he swiftly became the target of canada-wide hatred bobby or

00:03:46.600 even waited in to defend gretzky and now lots of canadians hate bobby or as well anyway elon musk

00:03:54.240 with actual saskatchewan antecedents and a canadian citizenship nearly 350 000 of us at press time

00:04:03.620 had signed a petition to strip him of his citizenship king charles who has said precisely nothing about the

00:04:10.000 territorial integrity of us a member of the commonwealth who still have his image on our

00:04:15.900 currency total silence and on and on many many former allies are being measured in this trumpian

00:04:22.920 political litmus test and many are being found wanting and it works in reverse too consider consider

00:04:29.600 doug ford and pier poliev both are plain talking politicians both aren't afraid of a scrap both lead

00:04:38.820 conservative parties but only one of them has won a massive and historic third legislative majority

00:04:45.800 this week and the other one has presided over a 30 point lead in the poll blowing to smithereens in a

00:04:53.080 matter of weeks why again it's this trump litmus test ford has shown us he is prepared to take the

00:05:00.320 anti-tariff fight to trump as i talked to cory about this week over and over and poliev just hasn't

00:05:06.780 he's tried to avoid sounding too critical of trump and canadians have noticed and they're growing

00:05:12.340 unhappy with the conservative leader just like they're unhappy with gretzky and or and starmer and

00:05:18.260 the rest of the vichy bunch are canadians delighted with justin trudeau well no are they delighted he's

00:05:26.420 going absolutely but they're not in love with prime minister to be mark carney either like he was

00:05:32.980 terrible in the debates and and if anybody likes him it's because he's the polar opposite of trump

00:05:38.120 he's bland and he's boring and he's a banker but the principal reason why several polls this week have

00:05:44.960 revealed the carney-led liberal party to be tied or in first place is this canadians suspect that

00:05:51.520 poliev is in the same category as starmer gretzky and the rest when the chips are down they figure

00:05:57.300 poliev will side with trump as you guys know i've been an advisor to a former liberal prime minister

00:06:03.640 and i don't believe not for a new york minute that pierre poliev admires donald trump

00:06:09.120 poliev is is actually everything trump isn't he's a policy wonk he's a traditionalist he's a disciplined

00:06:15.780 politician but poliev's persona and policies have combined to hurt him uh and this is the trump

00:06:25.320 litmus test as it applied to pierre like his style of communications are too angry and too simplistic

00:06:32.440 too often just like trump his policies like lashing out to the media favoring slash and burn governance

00:06:40.260 they sound trumpy too and it's all hurting him big time poliev needs to take a long hard look at what

00:06:47.420 has happened to gretzky and or and musk and all the rest canadians used to be really proud of those

00:06:54.480 people now we're really really mad at them why because they failed the trump litmus test

00:07:01.800 and pierre poliev's being measured too right now he needs to make some big changes right now if he

00:07:09.080 doesn't he'll fail the only test that matters in an election that is just weeks away

00:07:14.740 because i was live in a hospital bed a rock and bone nurse going to my head 0.82

00:07:35.640 says hold out your arm boys i'll speak out your tongues i got some pills i'm gonna give you some 0.57

00:07:42.140 so you go to my head to my head

00:07:45.800 a rock and roll nurse going to my head to my head to my head to my head 0.83

00:07:52.620 as i was lying in a hospital bed a little pill for my legs but that didn't ache

00:07:59.240 tried some pills for my heart but a little too late got some pills for my love to try to get me at ease

00:08:05.980 when a rock and roll nurse took me down on my knees and you went to my head 1.00

00:08:10.640 she'll get to my head a rock and roll nurse going to my head to my head to my head to my head 1.00

00:08:19.700 as i was lying in a hospital bed i got the rock and roll nurse

00:08:25.360 nursing nurse said well i don't see and i can't understand what you're doing to me since you're giving a

00:08:44.020 pills then you're giving a shot you got me wondering what it's worse i got 0.88

00:08:49.800 since you go to my head shoot that to my head a rock and roll nurse going to my head 1.00

00:08:56.720 to my head to my head i was lying in a hospital bed i got the rock and roll nurse she's making it worse 1.00

00:09:06.600 kids are shooting that to my head 0.87

00:09:13.640 to my head

00:09:16.700 doctor doctor got to run here and say i don't think the doctor's giving me

00:09:23.120 give me the shots give me the pill give me taking this jump against my will

00:09:29.700 till you go to my head 0.97

00:09:31.700 Shout back to my hand

00:09:33.360 A rock and roll that is going to my hand

00:09:36.680 To my hand, to my hand

00:09:40.040 Cause I was lying in a hospital bed

00:09:43.240 I got the

00:10:01.700 And we're back

00:10:02.540 And I want to welcome to the Kinsella cast

00:10:04.880 For the first time

00:10:05.680 My buddy and my brother, Corey, tonight

00:10:08.280 Who I've known for a million years

00:10:09.720 And I just want the whole world to know

00:10:12.220 Corey and I both have a man called

00:10:15.080 And we're deserving of everybody's sympathy

00:10:17.960 At this sad and dangerous time

00:10:20.620 Corey, welcome

00:10:21.800 Yeah, well, it's an incredible achievement

00:10:25.360 That we're actually able to even speak

00:10:27.160 Given the state of our health

00:10:30.100 We deserve awards for it

00:10:32.580 Well, listen, I wanted to congratulate you

00:10:34.220 For your historic achievement

00:10:35.560 It was truly historic

00:10:37.500 Nobody has won

00:10:38.880 Three back-to-back majorities

00:10:41.900 In Ontario political history

00:10:44.320 Since, I think, Mitch Hepburn

00:10:45.760 And so that's pretty good

00:10:48.080 And so I wanted to ask you 0.98

00:10:50.240 The dumb but obvious question 0.97

00:10:51.680 To what do you attribute the victory? 0.99

00:10:55.740 Oh, obviously the premier himself

00:10:58.820 First and foremost

00:11:00.180 It's, you know, he is the guy

00:11:02.780 He is the leader of the team

00:11:04.380 I'm leading the campaign

00:11:05.920 But nobody's voting for the campaign manager

00:11:08.820 As you know, Warren

00:11:10.960 It's really about the person

00:11:13.760 At the top of the table

00:11:14.780 And he really performed very well

00:11:17.520 In terms of the issue matrix

00:11:20.380 I mean, it really seemed to be

00:11:22.780 As you guys planned

00:11:23.980 Which is Trump and tariffs

00:11:25.800 And a mandate to deal with that

00:11:28.120 People seem to get that

00:11:30.340 And people in Ontario politics

00:11:32.460 Don't normally vote on international affairs

00:11:34.560 Do they?

00:11:36.400 Yeah, in Ontario

00:11:37.880 And Canada generally

00:11:39.140 But we're really in unprecedented times

00:11:41.780 Like we've never had a

00:11:43.360 A US president

00:11:45.940 That spends a lot of time

00:11:47.040 Talking about Canada, period

00:11:48.520 But let alone

00:11:49.980 Talking about

00:11:51.640 Some sort of

00:11:53.300 Absorption of our country

00:11:55.320 And referring to us

00:11:57.140 As the 51st state

00:11:58.520 And, you know

00:12:00.080 Essentially disregarding

00:12:02.760 Trade agreement

00:12:03.820 That he himself signed

00:12:05.800 In his first term office

00:12:07.780 So to say that

00:12:09.240 This is not normal times

00:12:11.020 Is an understatement

00:12:12.080 And, you know

00:12:13.600 Trump has become

00:12:15.000 The elephant in the room

00:12:15.840 Not just in Canadian politics

00:12:17.320 But I would dare say

00:12:19.260 In politics

00:12:20.380 In almost every country

00:12:21.580 Across the world

00:12:22.580 No, certainly

00:12:23.500 And, you know

00:12:24.160 The elephant in the room

00:12:25.200 Is affecting

00:12:26.980 Who else is there with him

00:12:28.800 You know

00:12:29.100 And I've got a column

00:12:30.260 In post media this morning

00:12:31.640 Pointing out

00:12:32.220 The extraordinary

00:12:33.520 Like Wayne Gretzky

00:12:36.020 Gretzky's become unpopular

00:12:38.140 Because he reacted

00:12:39.180 The wrong way

00:12:39.860 To all of this

00:12:40.580 And Bobby Orr

00:12:42.140 And Kevin O'Leary

00:12:43.140 And so on

00:12:44.080 And then you've got

00:12:46.400 You know

00:12:48.120 People who have done

00:12:49.100 Quite well

00:12:49.880 Showing strength

00:12:51.560 Against Trump

00:12:52.940 And his threat

00:12:53.840 In the form of Doug Ford

00:12:55.380 And even to some extent

00:12:57.300 Justin Trudeau

00:12:58.240 What lessons

00:13:00.020 Would you

00:13:01.060 Take from

00:13:02.220 The provincial campaign

00:13:03.480 That the

00:13:04.480 Federal conservatives

00:13:05.960 And federal politicians

00:13:07.160 Seem to be

00:13:07.820 Need to pay attention to

00:13:09.280 Well I would say

00:13:11.220 That it would appear

00:13:13.000 That nobody in Canada 0.57

00:13:14.020 Is that interested

00:13:15.040 In anyone running

00:13:16.420 To be the leader

00:13:17.260 Of Vichy Canada

00:13:18.140 Yep

00:13:18.900 You know

00:13:19.780 I think that

00:13:23.320 For all of the

00:13:24.580 Understated patriotism

00:13:26.580 That Canada

00:13:27.140 Is known for

00:13:28.420 There still exists

00:13:30.360 A very deep

00:13:31.160 Love of this country

00:13:32.260 Of no surprise

00:13:33.860 To you or I

00:13:34.760 Probably to anyone

00:13:35.920 Listening to this

00:13:36.800 Or any Canadian

00:13:38.600 And

00:13:40.420 And that

00:13:43.140 Fits itself

00:13:44.180 When threatened

00:13:45.680 And

00:13:46.460 People are not 0.99

00:13:48.620 Interested

00:13:49.180 In being

00:13:50.540 Humiliated

00:13:52.180 Or having their

00:13:53.060 Sovereignty

00:13:53.680 Threatened

00:13:56.000 And I think

00:13:57.700 That's

00:13:58.060 You know

00:13:58.360 The world

00:13:58.740 Over

00:13:59.080 But

00:13:59.400 But you know

00:14:00.280 Including Canada

00:14:01.120 And

00:14:01.820 You know

00:14:03.640 And if you're

00:14:04.420 If you're deciding

00:14:05.460 Who you want to have

00:14:06.580 In high office

00:14:08.040 Who's you know

00:14:09.000 Going to help

00:14:09.800 This fight

00:14:10.440 Let's be clear

00:14:11.360 The premier of Ontario

00:14:12.460 Is not

00:14:13.000 The leader of that fight

00:14:14.560 But I would say

00:14:15.640 The subnational level

00:14:17.240 The most important person

00:14:18.620 In that fight

00:14:19.260 But at the national level

00:14:23.060 I think it's

00:14:23.700 You know

00:14:23.960 It's

00:14:24.160 An even more important issue

00:14:25.900 In the sense

00:14:26.440 That that is the person

00:14:27.680 Who has to

00:14:28.300 Sign international agreements

00:14:30.000 Is in charge

00:14:30.740 Of foreign policy

00:14:32.800 For the country

00:14:33.460 So

00:14:34.560 Yeah

00:14:35.780 Like I

00:14:36.160 Look

00:14:36.440 I think it's

00:14:37.020 I think it's

00:14:37.940 The

00:14:39.860 Maybe not

00:14:40.820 The number one issue

00:14:41.640 For all Canadians

00:14:42.480 But it's the number one issue

00:14:43.560 For a lot of Canadians

00:14:44.600 And it's

00:14:45.200 And it's a very important

00:14:46.480 Issue for almost all Canadians 0.98

00:14:48.840 And it's an issue

00:14:50.780 That really wasn't there

00:14:51.620 A few months ago

00:14:52.600 So

00:14:53.380 It's what's changed

00:14:55.420 So when you're looking

00:14:56.040 At what's changing

00:14:56.940 In public opinion

00:14:57.900 What's

00:14:59.380 Changing

00:15:00.740 Things in the polls

00:15:02.820 It's one of the big guys

00:15:07.060 You know

00:15:07.720 Obviously there are other changes

00:15:08.960 Going on currently

00:15:09.820 At the federal level

00:15:10.660 In terms of the leadership

00:15:11.700 Of the Liberal Party

00:15:12.680 And

00:15:12.980 And I would say

00:15:14.580 That's less about

00:15:16.200 You know

00:15:16.940 Some nascent love affair

00:15:18.680 With Mark Carney

00:15:19.740 Than it is about

00:15:20.480 The absence

00:15:21.220 Of

00:15:21.740 Of Trudeau

00:15:23.000 Who had

00:15:23.580 Become

00:15:24.580 A highly polarizing

00:15:26.740 Very unpopular

00:15:27.880 Political leader

00:15:28.740 Through his target office

00:15:31.240 And

00:15:31.580 And I think

00:15:33.220 Was

00:15:33.520 Was causing

00:15:35.000 The electorate

00:15:35.880 To

00:15:36.280 To bend

00:15:37.180 In

00:15:37.520 In abnormal ways

00:15:39.080 I'm

00:15:40.060 Sure

00:15:40.660 If he were to interview

00:15:41.420 Pierre Paglia

00:15:42.280 If he wouldn't

00:15:42.960 Believe that

00:15:43.720 You know

00:15:44.000 Forty-eight percent

00:15:44.800 Is a natural number

00:15:46.860 For the Conservatives

00:15:48.820 To sit out federally

00:15:49.800 And

00:15:50.400 In a reflection

00:15:51.320 Of

00:15:51.620 Of a love

00:15:52.860 For his candidacy

00:15:53.960 As much as it is

00:15:55.500 Typical

00:15:56.940 Liberal voters

00:15:58.780 Moving off

00:16:00.500 That

00:16:00.760 Their

00:16:01.400 Their usual

00:16:02.420 Voting pattern

00:16:03.160 To

00:16:03.580 To something else

00:16:04.860 In reaction

00:16:06.600 To

00:16:07.280 To

00:16:07.960 Trudeau's

00:16:08.420 Continued presence

00:16:09.320 So

00:16:10.020 You know

00:16:10.460 Remove

00:16:11.020 That

00:16:11.360 Antagonist

00:16:12.120 And

00:16:13.060 You're seeing

00:16:13.700 Things

00:16:14.020 Kind of

00:16:14.300 Float back

00:16:14.800 To what

00:16:15.100 I would

00:16:15.360 Call

00:16:15.760 Politics

00:16:17.840 As usual

00:16:18.540 One of the

00:16:20.380 One of the

00:16:21.140 Roles of a

00:16:21.760 Campaign manager

00:16:22.600 And somebody

00:16:23.100 Works in

00:16:23.540 Central

00:16:23.860 Campaign

00:16:24.260 And I've

00:16:24.640 Done that

00:16:25.020 You've just

00:16:25.500 Completed

00:16:26.020 Doing that

00:16:26.680 Is to

00:16:27.740 Assess

00:16:28.320 Critically

00:16:29.040 Your candidate

00:16:30.100 Your campaign

00:16:31.120 And your

00:16:31.480 Team

00:16:31.840 And provide

00:16:33.080 You know

00:16:33.900 Advice that

00:16:34.780 Sometimes people

00:16:35.540 Don't want to

00:16:36.260 Hear at all

00:16:37.340 But that is

00:16:38.780 The job

00:16:39.340 And you've

00:16:39.780 Done that

00:16:40.120 Very well

00:16:40.640 Three times

00:16:41.500 You and I

00:16:43.660 Had got together

00:16:44.360 For a bite

00:16:44.840 A little while

00:16:45.300 Ago and

00:16:45.640 We're talking

00:16:46.180 About this

00:16:47.080 For those

00:16:48.220 Out there

00:16:48.820 Mainly

00:16:49.220 Conservatives

00:16:50.100 I would say

00:16:50.800 Who persuaded

00:16:51.720 Themselves that

00:16:52.660 Trump couldn't

00:16:53.920 Possibly be

00:16:54.960 Serious or

00:16:56.160 You know

00:16:56.800 He's going to

00:16:57.360 Blink again 0.85

00:16:58.000 And give us

00:16:58.540 Another extension

00:16:59.360 Or ultimately

00:17:00.300 Not do

00:17:01.340 Tariffs

00:17:01.760 What would be

00:17:02.660 Your assessment

00:17:03.500 Of him

00:17:04.720 And them

00:17:06.340 You know

00:17:06.820 In terms of

00:17:08.180 The advice

00:17:08.620 You would give

00:17:09.240 Them about

00:17:09.980 How serious

00:17:11.420 He is

00:17:12.000 Well I think

00:17:13.580 There's always

00:17:14.100 A desire

00:17:17.520 To try to

00:17:19.740 See in

00:17:20.120 Situations

00:17:20.840 That which

00:17:21.340 You would

00:17:21.720 Prefer

00:17:22.120 As opposed

00:17:22.780 To that

00:17:23.140 Which is

00:17:24.520 And

00:17:25.720 You know

00:17:27.280 People have

00:17:27.740 Said you

00:17:28.080 Should take

00:17:28.640 Trump

00:17:29.040 Literally

00:17:30.180 Or seriously

00:17:31.180 But not

00:17:31.580 Literally

00:17:31.940 Well you

00:17:33.080 Know

00:17:33.300 Maybe to

00:17:34.680 Some extent

00:17:35.840 That's true

00:17:36.500 But that's

00:17:37.420 Not an

00:17:37.760 Absolute rule

00:17:38.520 On everything

00:17:39.000 Like you

00:17:39.520 Still actually

00:17:40.160 Have to

00:17:40.500 Listen to

00:17:40.880 The words

00:17:41.340 Someone is

00:17:42.540 Saying

00:17:42.940 And absorb

00:17:44.920 Them and

00:17:45.440 Think that there

00:17:46.420 Could be

00:17:46.720 Something there

00:17:47.400 Especially if

00:17:48.940 They're repeated

00:17:49.420 Again and

00:17:50.020 Again

00:17:50.300 And when

00:17:51.240 Trump says

00:17:52.320 He'd prefer

00:17:52.960 The annexation

00:17:54.040 Of Canada

00:17:54.580 To

00:17:55.500 A combination

00:17:56.580 You know

00:17:58.820 In another

00:17:59.300 Trade deal

00:17:59.900 I think

00:18:00.820 That's a

00:18:01.500 Reflection

00:18:02.960 Of his

00:18:03.340 Genuine

00:18:04.220 Belief

00:18:04.820 That said

00:18:07.100 Do I

00:18:07.340 Think

00:18:07.580 You know

00:18:08.020 Tanks

00:18:08.360 Are going

00:18:08.600 To be

00:18:08.760 Mustering

00:18:09.200 On the

00:18:09.400 Border

00:18:09.680 No I

00:18:10.260 Don't

00:18:10.660 But I

00:18:13.620 Do think

00:18:14.080 That the

00:18:14.620 Notion

00:18:14.940 That things

00:18:15.700 Are going

00:18:15.920 To continue

00:18:16.300 As they

00:18:16.740 Were

00:18:17.040 Is 0.99

00:18:18.640 A fool's 0.99

00:18:21.240 Hope 1.00

00:18:21.540 You know

00:18:23.240 I think

00:18:23.980 He is

00:18:24.240 Going to

00:18:24.580 Continue

00:18:25.020 To use

00:18:25.620 Tariffs

00:18:26.440 And other

00:18:26.860 Levers

00:18:27.660 At his

00:18:28.020 Disposal

00:18:28.620 To try

00:18:29.020 To

00:18:29.280 Economically

00:18:30.020 Submit

00:18:30.540 The country

00:18:31.140 To his

00:18:32.400 Will

00:18:32.700 On a

00:18:33.400 Variety

00:18:33.880 Of things

00:18:34.460 I don't

00:18:36.200 Take

00:18:36.620 The framing

00:18:37.700 Of this

00:18:38.160 Around

00:18:38.900 Fentanyl

00:18:41.600 And border

00:18:42.060 Security

00:18:42.700 As anything

00:18:44.260 More than

00:18:45.060 A justification

00:18:47.780 For tariffs

00:18:49.860 Which he is

00:18:50.740 Allowed to 1.00

00:18:51.280 Do on

00:18:51.760 A security

00:18:52.800 Basis

00:18:53.500 Not on

00:18:54.400 An economic

00:18:54.960 Basis

00:18:55.540 But I

00:18:56.700 Think the

00:18:57.000 Goal here

00:18:57.540 Is economic

00:18:58.100 Not security

00:18:58.980 This is

00:18:59.840 You know

00:19:00.800 Well

00:19:01.400 Things can

00:19:02.800 Always be

00:19:03.200 Better on

00:19:03.620 The border

00:19:04.060 That is

00:19:06.740 Not

00:19:07.100 In my

00:19:08.620 View

00:19:08.800 The principal

00:19:09.360 Driver

00:19:09.780 Here

00:19:10.060 I think

00:19:10.500 There are

00:19:10.740 A number

00:19:10.960 Of other

00:19:11.320 Things

00:19:11.640 At play

00:19:12.200 First

00:19:13.840 And foremost

00:19:14.500 Sort

00:19:15.700 Of a

00:19:16.140 Pre

00:19:17.740 Income

00:19:18.300 Tax

00:19:18.860 View

00:19:19.840 Of revenue

00:19:20.660 Collection

00:19:21.220 In the

00:19:22.040 United

00:19:22.280 States

00:19:22.800 Where it's

00:19:24.100 Done more

00:19:24.620 Through the

00:19:25.220 Through import

00:19:26.560 Taxes

00:19:27.240 Through

00:19:27.640 Tariffs

00:19:28.700 Than through

00:19:30.340 Income

00:19:31.140 Taxes

00:19:31.700 And you're

00:19:32.040 Seeing him

00:19:32.780 Trying to

00:19:34.180 Extend

00:19:34.920 Trillions

00:19:35.460 Of dollars

00:19:35.940 Of income

00:19:36.440 Taxes

00:19:36.980 From his

00:19:37.500 First term

00:19:38.600 Of office

00:19:39.220 And using

00:19:41.720 Both

00:19:42.480 You know

00:19:43.280 A downsizing

00:19:44.100 Of the

00:19:44.340 U.S.

00:19:44.680 Government

00:19:45.020 And

00:19:46.200 And the

00:19:49.120 Raising

00:19:50.040 Of revenue

00:19:50.740 Through tariffs

00:19:51.440 Is the

00:19:51.800 Means to

00:19:52.180 Do so

00:19:52.640 Now

00:19:53.540 Whether or

00:19:54.720 Not

00:19:55.000 That's

00:19:56.080 Actually

00:19:56.440 Something

00:19:56.860 That's

00:19:57.280 That's

00:19:58.020 Achievable

00:19:58.560 For him

00:19:59.000 Remains to

00:20:00.080 Be seen

00:20:00.560 I don't

00:20:02.620 Think he

00:20:02.980 Appreciates

00:20:03.580 The amount

00:20:03.980 Of economic

00:20:04.680 Dislocation

00:20:05.580 Involved

00:20:06.720 In making

00:20:07.560 That kind

00:20:08.120 Of change

00:20:08.660 And I

00:20:10.300 Think he

00:20:10.600 Under appreciates

00:20:11.460 The amount

00:20:11.880 Of integration

00:20:12.600 Particularly

00:20:14.420 In

00:20:14.960 In the

00:20:16.700 Manufacturing

00:20:17.360 Sector

00:20:17.800 Of our

00:20:18.340 Two

00:20:18.520 Countries

00:20:19.200 You know

00:20:19.640 We build

00:20:20.400 Things together

00:20:21.080 More than

00:20:21.600 We build

00:20:22.400 Things and

00:20:22.940 Sell them

00:20:23.280 To each

00:20:23.640 Other

00:20:23.860 So

00:20:25.420 You know

00:20:27.000 Canada

00:20:27.480 Has a lot

00:20:28.140 Of levers

00:20:28.760 And a lot

00:20:30.480 Of tools

00:20:30.920 To strike

00:20:31.460 Back

00:20:31.860 In this

00:20:32.680 Economic

00:20:33.100 War

00:20:33.480 But

00:20:34.680 You know

00:20:35.680 And this

00:20:36.000 Is really

00:20:36.420 The reason

00:20:36.880 I think

00:20:37.280 That we

00:20:37.540 Needed to

00:20:37.900 Have an

00:20:38.180 Election

00:20:38.460 In

00:20:38.720 Ontario

00:20:39.140 And why

00:20:39.640 I think

00:20:39.940 We need

00:20:40.300 To have

00:20:40.560 An election

00:20:40.940 As soon as

00:20:41.540 Possible

00:20:41.920 Federally

00:20:42.480 Is 0.88

00:20:43.600 The choices

00:20:44.660 That we

00:20:44.980 Make

00:20:45.240 Around

00:20:45.500 That

00:20:45.780 Come

00:20:46.040 With

00:20:46.200 Very

00:20:46.540 Heavy

00:20:47.140 Consequences

00:20:47.980 You know

00:20:49.720 You don't

00:20:50.340 Do retaliatory

00:20:51.300 Tariffs

00:20:51.740 Without

00:20:52.100 Harming

00:20:53.120 Yourself

00:20:53.580 To

00:20:53.800 It really

00:20:54.260 Is the

00:20:54.680 Chemotherapy

00:20:55.500 Of

00:20:56.660 You know

00:20:58.680 Economic

00:20:59.460 Medicine

00:21:01.660 It's

00:21:03.620 Killing

00:21:04.820 The patient 1.00

00:21:05.380 While

00:21:05.920 Trying

00:21:06.160 To save

00:21:06.560 The patient

00:21:07.060 And

00:21:08.020 You're

00:21:08.580 Trying

00:21:08.860 To

00:21:09.220 You know 1.00

00:21:09.660 Kill 0.98

00:21:10.260 The cancer 0.57

00:21:10.740 Before

00:21:11.040 You kill 0.63

00:21:11.480 The patient 0.99

00:21:12.700 But

00:21:14.100 Make no

00:21:15.100 Mistake

00:21:15.540 You're

00:21:15.940 Getting

00:21:16.400 Very

00:21:17.040 Sick

00:21:17.760 Through

00:21:19.160 This

00:21:19.420 Treatment

00:21:19.900 So

00:21:20.200 You know

00:21:21.000 The amount

00:21:21.780 Of

00:21:22.100 Decisions

00:21:24.580 Associated

00:21:25.240 With that

00:21:25.660 Both

00:21:25.980 In terms

00:21:26.380 Of

00:21:26.520 Money

00:21:26.720 You're

00:21:26.920 Going

00:21:27.000 To

00:21:27.120 Spend

00:21:27.560 But

00:21:27.720 Also

00:21:27.960 Hardship

00:21:28.500 You're

00:21:28.680 Going

00:21:28.800 To

00:21:28.840 Impose

00:21:29.240 On

00:21:29.440 The

00:21:30.200 Electurate

00:21:30.800 As a

00:21:31.740 Part

00:21:31.880 Of

00:21:31.960 This

00:21:32.120 Fight

00:21:32.400 I

00:21:32.640 Think

00:21:32.840 Really

00:21:33.040 Requires

00:21:33.540 A

00:21:33.700 Mandate

00:21:34.080 And

00:21:34.300 It

00:21:34.420 Requires

00:21:34.880 A

00:21:35.040 Term

00:21:35.200 Of

00:21:35.380 Office

00:21:35.740 That

00:21:36.520 Extends

00:21:37.340 Past

00:21:37.940 The

00:21:38.120 U.S.

00:21:38.420 Presidency

00:21:38.900 Because

00:21:39.500 Governments

00:21:41.300 Are not

00:21:41.580 Really

00:21:41.860 Good

00:21:42.200 At

00:21:42.580 Making

00:21:42.900 Those

00:21:43.160 Kinds

00:21:43.500 Of

00:21:43.580 Decisions

00:21:44.100 In

00:21:44.360 The

00:21:45.020 Last

00:21:45.360 Six

00:21:45.760 Or

00:21:45.940 Eight

00:21:46.060 Months

00:21:46.360 Of

00:21:46.520 Their

00:21:46.780 Administration

00:21:48.000 And

00:21:48.760 Respond

00:21:50.020 Now

00:21:50.380 We

00:21:50.580 Must

00:21:50.920 And

00:21:51.680 To

00:21:52.100 Have

00:21:52.320 Enough

00:21:52.540 Runway

00:21:53.040 To

00:21:53.380 See

00:21:55.000 This

00:21:55.260 Through

00:21:55.560 Is 0.88

00:21:55.820 I

00:21:55.980 Think

00:21:56.200 Is 0.88

00:21:56.400 Essential

00:21:57.160 I

00:21:59.000 Think

00:21:59.160 It's

00:21:59.300 Also

00:21:59.500 Essential

00:21:59.940 To

00:22:00.220 Demonstrate

00:22:00.820 To

00:22:01.020 The

00:22:01.240 U.S.

00:22:02.400 President

00:22:02.720 That

00:22:03.300 The

00:22:03.440 Things

00:22:03.700 That

00:22:03.880 You

00:22:04.000 Are

00:22:04.120 Doing

00:22:04.500 On

00:22:04.820 The

00:22:05.340 Electorate

00:22:05.800 You

00:22:05.960 Have

00:22:06.240 A

00:22:06.380 Mandate

00:22:06.800 For

00:22:07.080 That

00:22:07.280 Is 0.88

00:22:07.440 Quite

00:22:07.660 Explicit

00:22:08.560 And

00:22:09.320 So

00:22:10.260 I

00:22:10.440 Think

00:22:10.620 We're

00:22:10.780 Going

00:22:11.080 Into

00:22:11.300 This

00:22:11.520 Fight

00:22:11.840 In

00:22:12.560 A

00:22:12.700 Much

00:22:12.980 Better

00:22:13.340 Position

00:22:13.860 Than

00:22:14.820 We

00:22:14.980 Were

00:22:15.140 Before

00:22:15.560 I

00:22:16.120 Agree

00:22:16.420 I

00:22:16.820 Agree

00:22:17.040 Well

00:22:20.380 Sickness

00:22:20.920 And

00:22:21.480 I

00:22:21.620 Can

00:22:21.760 Hear

00:22:22.080 My

00:22:22.700 Listeners

00:22:23.220 Saying

00:22:23.480 Give

00:22:23.720 Corey

00:22:24.020 A

00:22:24.200 Break

00:22:24.480 So

00:22:24.880 I'm

00:22:25.000 Just

00:22:25.120 Going

00:22:25.240 To

00:22:25.300 Ask

00:22:25.480 You

00:22:25.580 One

00:22:25.800 Final

00:22:26.260 Question

00:22:26.820 Which

00:22:28.760 Is 0.88

00:22:29.280 Because

00:22:29.520 You've

00:22:29.740 Been

00:22:29.840 An

00:22:29.980 Advisor

00:22:30.340 To

00:22:30.920 Someone

00:22:32.240 Who

00:22:32.600 I

00:22:33.160 Think

00:22:33.300 Is 0.88

00:22:33.500 One

00:22:33.940 Of

00:22:34.020 The

00:22:34.060 Most

00:22:34.180 Successful

00:22:34.640 Prime

00:22:34.900 Ministers

00:22:35.260 Of

00:22:35.460 My

00:22:35.600 Lifetime

00:22:36.040 Stephen

00:22:37.060 Harper

00:22:37.500 So

00:22:38.260 We've

00:22:38.460 Got

00:22:38.580 Extraordinary

00:22:39.260 Things

00:22:39.660 Happening

00:22:40.220 In

00:22:40.680 The

00:22:40.800 Wake

00:22:41.080 Of

00:22:41.240 That

00:22:41.440 Terrible

00:22:41.840 Meeting

00:22:42.200 Between

00:22:42.560 Trump

00:22:42.960 And

00:22:43.120 Zelensky

00:22:43.680 The

00:22:44.060 Oval

00:22:44.440 People

00:22:45.680 Talking

00:22:46.020 About

00:22:50.380 People

00:22:51.400 Talking

00:22:51.720 About

00:22:51.900 A

00:22:52.000 Realignment

00:22:52.620 That

00:22:53.180 Offsets

00:22:54.620 Russia's 0.70

00:22:56.440 Obvious

00:22:56.800 Plan

00:22:57.280 What

00:22:57.620 What

00:22:58.200 Do

00:22:58.300 You

00:22:58.420 Think

00:22:58.740 About

00:22:59.040 Where

00:22:59.360 We're

00:22:59.620 Going

00:23:00.160 In

00:23:00.580 That

00:23:00.800 Regard

00:23:01.220 Separate

00:23:02.280 And

00:23:02.400 Apart

00:23:02.640 From

00:23:02.880 Canada

00:23:03.360 And

00:23:03.580 Ontario

00:23:04.020 Where

00:23:04.780 Do

00:23:04.880 You

00:23:04.960 Think

00:23:05.260 The

00:23:05.720 World

00:23:05.980 Is 0.88

00:23:06.220 Head

00:23:06.380 Corey

00:23:06.800 Tonight

00:23:07.180 Well

00:23:08.460 I

00:23:08.600 Think

00:23:08.740 We're

00:23:09.000 You

00:23:09.680 Know

00:23:09.880 It's

00:23:10.220 Where

00:23:10.400 We've

00:23:10.660 Already

00:23:10.920 Headed

00:23:11.300 I

00:23:11.460 Think

00:23:11.620 We're

00:23:11.760 Just

00:23:11.940 Starting

00:23:12.220 To

00:23:12.440 Acknowledge

00:23:13.040 The

00:23:13.920 Consequences

00:23:14.520 Of

00:23:14.740 It

00:23:14.920 But

00:23:15.240 You

00:23:15.600 Know

00:23:15.760 For

00:23:17.600 All

00:23:17.780 Of

00:23:17.900 Bluster

00:23:18.360 I

00:23:18.600 Do

00:23:18.760 Think

00:23:19.020 The

00:23:19.200 President

00:23:19.540 Is 0.88

00:23:19.920 Acutely

00:23:20.380 Aware

00:23:20.780 Of

00:23:21.600 The

00:23:21.740 Unprecedented

00:23:22.400 Weakness

00:23:22.960 Of

00:23:23.080 The

00:23:23.180 United

00:23:23.420 States

00:23:23.820 Relative

00:23:24.240 To

00:23:24.780 China

00:23:26.120 In

00:23:26.360 Particular

00:23:26.840 And

00:23:28.200 And

00:23:30.580 The

00:23:30.800 Strength

00:23:31.980 Of

00:23:32.140 The

00:23:32.260 U.S.

00:23:32.840 Military

00:23:33.340 And

00:23:33.640 It's

00:23:33.920 Hegemonic

00:23:34.900 Globally

00:23:35.440 It's

00:23:35.720 Being

00:23:36.280 Built

00:23:36.560 On

00:23:36.720 The

00:23:36.820 Foundation

00:23:37.260 Of

00:23:37.480 Having

00:23:37.780 The

00:23:38.740 World's

00:23:39.080 Largest

00:23:39.440 Economy

00:23:39.940 And

00:23:40.340 Largest

00:23:40.800 By

00:23:41.480 A

00:23:41.640 Lot

00:23:41.880 Not

00:23:42.120 By

00:23:42.340 A

00:23:42.480 Little

00:23:42.660 For

00:23:42.920 A

00:23:43.060 Very

00:23:43.280 Long

00:23:43.540 Time

00:23:43.880 Well

00:23:44.680 Arguably

00:23:45.880 And

00:23:46.160 In

00:23:46.660 Relative

00:23:47.040 Terms

00:23:47.460 The

00:23:48.360 Economy

00:23:48.880 Has

00:23:49.060 Been

00:23:49.200 Stronger

00:23:49.660 Than

00:23:49.780 The

00:23:49.920 U.S.

00:23:50.300 Economy

00:23:50.580 For

00:23:50.800 About

00:23:51.020 Eight

00:23:51.240 Years

00:23:51.580 And

00:23:52.720 But

00:23:54.280 I

00:23:56.700 Think

00:23:58.100 It

00:23:58.220 Is 0.88

00:23:58.340 Overextended

00:23:59.140 I

00:23:59.360 Don't

00:23:59.540 Think

00:23:59.800 It's

00:24:00.040 In

00:24:00.140 A

00:24:00.240 Position

00:24:00.620 To

00:24:01.220 Live

00:24:03.260 Up

00:24:03.440 To

00:24:03.580 The

00:24:03.720 Doctrine

00:24:04.140 That

00:24:04.280 It

00:24:04.380 Had

00:24:04.580 Of

00:24:04.680 Being

00:24:04.820 Able

00:24:05.040 To

00:24:05.180 Fight

00:24:05.420 A

00:24:05.560 War

00:24:05.780 In

00:24:05.900 The

00:24:05.980 Pacific

00:24:06.360 And

00:24:06.640 The

00:24:07.460 European

00:24:07.840 The

00:24:08.140 Simultaneously

00:24:09.140 I

00:24:10.260 Don't

00:24:10.720 Think

00:24:10.880 It's

00:24:11.020 Been

00:24:11.180 In

00:24:11.280 That

00:24:11.460 Position

00:24:11.820 For

00:24:12.060 A

00:24:12.200 Fairly

00:24:13.860 Long

00:24:14.100 Time

00:24:14.380 Now

00:24:14.680 Like

00:24:15.520 More

00:24:16.880 Than

00:24:18.360 For

00:24:18.960 The

00:24:19.300 First

00:24:19.520 Term

00:24:19.780 Of

00:24:19.900 Trump's

00:24:20.220 Office

00:24:20.480 That

00:24:20.740 Was

00:24:20.920 The

00:24:21.080 Case

00:24:21.420 China

00:24:22.140 Has

00:24:22.360 Been

00:24:22.520 Gaining

00:24:22.800 Strength

00:24:23.300 America

00:24:24.320 Has

00:24:24.580 Been

00:24:24.760 Declining

00:24:25.240 In

00:24:25.440 Relative

00:24:25.860 Strength

00:24:27.220 Over

00:24:27.480 That

00:24:27.700 Period

00:24:28.080 Both

00:24:28.440 Technologically

00:24:29.280 And

00:24:30.080 Militarily

00:24:30.740 And

00:24:31.220 Economically

00:24:31.960 So

00:24:33.380 So

00:24:33.400 What

00:24:33.780 I

00:24:33.880 Think

00:24:34.040 You're

00:24:34.180 Seeing

00:24:34.420 Is 0.88

00:24:34.620 A

00:24:34.720 Retreat

00:24:35.140 To

00:24:35.600 Regional

00:24:36.880 Hegemony

00:24:37.800 And

00:24:38.420 You

00:24:39.120 Know

00:24:39.340 Where

00:24:40.380 You're

00:24:41.300 Seeing

00:24:41.600 Sort

00:24:43.660 Of

00:24:43.780 A

00:24:43.920 Reinvention

00:24:44.560 Of

00:24:44.780 The

00:24:44.900 Monroe

00:24:45.200 Doctrine

00:24:45.680 If

00:24:45.860 You

00:24:45.960 Want

00:24:46.100 To

00:24:46.160 That

00:24:46.920 Where

00:24:47.880 You're

00:24:48.160 Talking

00:24:48.500 About

00:24:48.820 Panama

00:24:49.300 And

00:24:49.720 Now

00:24:50.000 Thanks

00:24:50.700 To

00:24:51.180 Climate

00:24:51.660 Change

00:24:52.220 The

00:24:52.760 Northwest

00:24:53.100 Passage

00:24:53.820 And

00:24:53.980 You're

00:24:54.120 Seeing

00:24:54.480 The

00:24:54.760 U.S.

00:24:55.800 You

00:24:55.960 Know

00:24:56.080 Trying

00:24:56.620 To

00:24:57.820 Carve

00:24:59.660 Out

00:25:00.000 An

00:25:01.080 American

00:25:01.520 Zone

00:25:01.900 Of

00:25:02.060 Influence

00:25:02.500 And

00:25:02.680 Control

00:25:03.060 That

00:25:03.260 Is 0.88

00:25:03.400 Much

00:25:03.620 More

00:25:03.820 Explicit

00:25:04.460 And

00:25:05.420 Much

00:25:06.960 More

00:25:07.180 Like

00:25:07.380 Some

00:25:07.780 Sort

00:25:08.020 Of

00:25:08.140 18th

00:25:08.800 Century

00:25:09.240 Version

00:25:09.720 Of

00:25:09.960 That

00:25:10.260 So

00:25:12.360 You

00:25:12.980 Know

00:25:13.120 I

00:25:13.300 Don't

00:25:13.420 Know

00:25:13.580 Whether

00:25:13.760 That

00:25:14.000 Extends

00:25:14.500 Quite

00:25:15.200 So

00:25:15.420 Far

00:25:15.680 As

00:25:15.880 Saying

00:25:16.180 That

00:25:16.440 NATO

00:25:17.320 Is 0.88

00:25:17.580 Done

00:25:17.900 But

00:25:18.680 You

00:25:18.940 Know

00:25:19.160 NATO

00:25:19.640 Is 0.88

00:25:19.980 Done

00:25:20.560 In

00:25:20.740 Its

00:25:20.900 Current

00:25:21.280 Form

00:25:21.640 For

00:25:21.880 Sure

00:25:22.240 Like

00:25:23.000 It's

00:25:24.060 Done

00:25:27.820 European

00:25:28.280 Powers

00:25:28.800 Despite

00:25:29.360 Germany

00:25:30.320 Having

00:25:30.660 An

00:25:30.840 Incredibly

00:25:31.300 Strong

00:25:31.700 Economy

00:25:32.240 You

00:25:32.460 Know

00:25:32.620 The

00:25:33.140 Combination

00:25:33.740 Of

00:25:33.980 France

00:25:34.640 And

00:25:34.780 The

00:25:34.860 Rest

00:25:35.000 Of

00:25:35.120 Europe

00:25:35.280 Having

00:25:35.580 Very

00:25:36.100 Strong

00:25:36.480 Economies

00:25:37.020 Collectively

00:25:37.700 Not

00:25:39.440 Paying

00:25:39.820 Their

00:25:39.980 Freight

00:25:40.400 And

00:25:40.940 I

00:25:41.100 Think

00:25:41.300 They're

00:25:41.520 Going

00:25:41.760 To

00:25:41.900 Have

00:25:42.140 To

00:25:42.440 Actually

00:25:43.480 Pay

00:25:44.900 For

00:25:45.120 Their

00:25:45.300 Own

00:25:45.500 Defense

00:25:46.020 In

00:25:46.260 A

00:25:46.360 Way

00:25:46.500 That

00:25:46.640 They

00:25:46.820 Haven't

00:25:47.680 In

00:25:48.600 You

00:25:49.320 Know

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00:25:49.620 80

00:25:49.780 Years

00:25:50.160 So

00:25:50.720 And

00:25:52.280 And

00:25:52.700 I

00:25:53.620 Think

00:25:53.800 There's

00:25:54.060 A

00:25:54.200 Similar

00:25:54.480 Expectation

00:25:55.160 Around

00:25:55.440 Canada

00:25:55.840 And

00:25:56.080 I

00:25:56.200 Know

00:25:56.400 A

00:25:56.540 Lot

00:25:56.680 Of

00:25:56.760 Canadians

00:25:57.300 Myself

00:25:59.220 Included

00:25:59.700 Pretty

00:26:00.500 Offended

00:26:00.880 By

00:26:01.160 The

00:26:01.460 51st

00:26:02.320 State

00:26:02.680 Comment

00:26:03.380 But

00:26:04.560 I

00:26:04.800 Gotta

00:26:04.980 Say

00:26:05.420 If

00:26:05.820 You

00:26:05.920 Don't

00:26:06.120 Like

00:26:06.320 Being

00:26:06.520 Called

00:26:06.760 The

00:26:06.920 51st

00:26:07.500 State

00:26:07.860 Maybe

00:26:08.260 You

00:26:08.400 Gotta

00:26:08.560 Do

00:26:08.800 Some

00:26:09.000 Things

00:26:09.320 That

00:26:09.480 Countries

00:26:09.900 Do

00:26:10.180 Like

00:26:10.760 Actually

00:26:11.120 Pay

00:26:11.380 For

00:26:11.560 Your

00:26:11.680 Defense

00:26:12.160 And

00:26:13.240 You

00:26:14.120 Know

00:26:14.280 We

00:26:14.560 Are

00:26:14.700 Going

00:26:14.820 To

00:26:14.880 Have

00:26:15.040 To

00:26:15.160 Take

00:26:15.380 Those

00:26:15.620 Things

00:26:15.920 Far

00:26:16.460 Far

00:26:16.480 More

00:26:16.960 Seriously

00:26:17.540 And

00:26:17.840 I

00:26:18.040 Don't

00:26:18.340 Think

00:26:18.520 The

00:26:18.640 U.S.

00:26:18.920 Is 0.88

00:26:19.100 You

00:26:19.420 Know

00:26:19.580 We

00:26:19.920 Are

00:26:20.040 Not

00:26:20.840 In

00:26:20.980 A

00:26:21.060 Position

00:26:21.380 To

00:26:21.580 Defend

00:26:21.900 Ourselves

00:26:22.320 From

00:26:22.560 American

00:26:23.000 Invaders

00:26:23.520 And

00:26:23.700 I

00:26:23.800 Don't

00:26:23.900 Think

00:26:24.060 They're

00:26:24.220 Coming

00:26:24.560 But

00:26:25.360 I

00:26:25.820 Think

00:26:26.060 If

00:26:26.220 We

00:26:26.340 Want

00:26:26.580 To

00:26:26.840 You

00:26:27.220 Know

00:26:27.500 Be

00:26:28.580 Viewed

00:26:29.400 As

00:26:29.500 A

00:26:29.620 Sovereign

00:26:29.920 Country

00:26:30.260 We

00:26:30.800 Have

00:26:30.980 To

00:26:31.100 Take

00:26:31.340 Arctic

00:26:31.640 Defense

00:26:32.040 Seriously

00:26:32.540 We

00:26:33.180 Have

00:26:33.420 To

00:26:33.600 Looking

00:26:34.320 At

00:26:34.560 Nuclear

00:26:35.200 Submarines

00:26:36.000 To

00:26:36.220 Patrol

00:26:36.660 Under

00:26:37.740 The

00:26:37.920 Ice

00:26:38.160 We

00:26:38.340 Have

00:26:38.460 To

00:26:38.540 Looking

00:26:38.880 At

00:26:39.240 Reinvestments

00:26:40.320 In

00:26:40.500 Our

00:26:41.800 Fighter

00:26:42.100 Aircraft

00:26:42.780 And

00:26:43.040 Expansion

00:26:44.140 Of

00:26:44.340 Our

00:26:44.660 Icebreaker

00:26:46.560 Fleet

00:26:47.000 Significantly

00:26:47.980 All

00:26:48.360 Of

00:26:48.520 Those

00:26:48.700 Things

00:26:51.060 Continue

00:26:51.900 To

00:26:52.120 Be

00:26:52.420 Viewed

00:26:53.420 As

00:26:53.580 A

00:26:53.960 Sovereign

00:26:54.460 Nation

00:26:54.860 By

00:26:55.220 This

00:26:56.440 Administration

00:26:57.120 But

00:26:57.460 But

00:26:58.160 Look

00:26:58.400 You

00:26:58.720 Know

00:26:58.820 These

00:26:59.040 Gripes

00:26:59.420 About

00:26:59.660 Canadian

00:27:00.500 Abdication

00:27:05.320 Of

00:27:05.580 Its

00:27:05.760 Defense

00:27:06.140 Responsibilities

00:27:07.000 Are

00:27:07.260 Not

00:27:07.500 Unique

00:27:07.820 To

00:27:07.960 This

00:27:08.160 Government

00:27:08.500 Like

00:27:08.800 Let's

00:27:09.300 Just

00:27:09.480 Be

00:27:09.700 Clear

00:27:10.060 With

00:27:10.260 That

00:27:10.420 This

00:27:10.640 Is 0.88

00:27:10.820 A

00:27:11.540 Gripe

00:27:12.000 Of

00:27:12.140 Every

00:27:12.380 U.S.

00:27:13.200 Administration

00:27:13.560 Going

00:27:15.020 Back

00:27:15.340 To

00:27:15.580 You

00:27:15.780 Know

00:27:15.940 Pre

00:27:16.240 Nixon

00:27:16.600 Days

00:27:17.100 So

00:27:17.600 We

00:27:19.160 Need

00:27:19.360 To

00:27:19.640 We

00:27:20.180 Need

00:27:20.360 To

00:27:20.560 Get

00:27:20.680 Our 1.00

00:27:20.820 Shit 1.00

00:27:20.980 Together 1.00

00:27:21.320 For

00:27:21.540 Lack

00:27:21.840 Of

00:27:21.980 A

00:27:22.120 Better

00:27:22.440 Phrase

00:27:23.040 Here

00:27:24.860 Here

00:27:25.160 Agreed

00:27:25.980 And

00:27:26.780 Listen

00:27:27.920 Very

00:27:28.660 Grateful

00:27:29.100 For

00:27:29.380 Your

00:27:29.540 Wisdom

00:27:29.900 And

00:27:30.040 Your

00:27:30.180 Insights

00:27:30.700 And

00:27:31.760 Our

00:27:32.780 Chat

00:27:33.220 I

00:27:33.460 Hope

00:27:33.660 You

00:27:33.820 Get

00:27:33.980 Better

00:27:34.240 Soon

00:27:34.620 I

00:27:35.180 Particularly

00:27:35.600 Hope

00:27:36.060 I

00:27:36.220 Also

00:27:36.560 Get

00:27:36.820 Better

00:27:37.060 Soon

00:27:37.460 And

00:27:38.320 And

00:27:39.260 Congratulations

00:27:40.080 Again

00:27:40.940 On

00:27:41.200 Your

00:27:41.500 Enormous

00:27:42.320 Victory

00:27:42.760 Have

00:27:43.280 A

00:27:43.420 Great

00:27:43.620 Day

00:27:43.900 And

00:27:44.100 A

00:27:44.200 Great

00:27:44.400 Week

00:27:44.660 Yep

00:27:45.620 You

00:27:45.820 Too

00:27:45.980 Take

00:27:46.500 Care

00:27:46.700 Best

00:27:47.840 For

00:27:51.500 To

00:27:52.040 A

00:27:53.100 Show

00:27:57.880 Yeah

00:27:58.340 Yeah

00:27:59.060 Yeah

00:27:59.120 Yeah

00:28:00.100 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no!

00:28:11.920 Well, we can't take her this way

00:28:14.740 And her friends are one another strange

00:28:18.440 Hoping for a better day

00:28:20.740 Now hear what she's got to say

00:28:23.180 All about that personality crisis

00:28:27.060 You got it while it was hot

00:28:29.340 But now frustration, heartache

00:28:33.380 Is what you've got

00:28:34.840 Well, now you're trying to be something

00:28:51.080 Now you've got to do something

00:28:52.640 You want to be someone

00:28:54.040 You can't wow-wows

00:28:55.540 But you're thinking about the times you did

00:28:57.680 They took every ounce

00:28:59.560 Well, it sure got to be a shame

00:29:04.040 When you start to scream and shout

00:29:06.440 You got to contradict all those times

00:29:10.440 You butterflyed about

00:29:12.380 You was butterfly

00:29:13.720 Not a personality crisis

00:29:16.340 You got it while it was hot

00:29:18.760 It's always hot, you know it's frustration

00:29:21.640 Honey, what you've got

00:29:24.040 I'm trying to talk about personality

00:29:27.600 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

00:29:30.480 And you're up in a ballerina

00:29:48.060 On a spring afternoon

00:29:50.360 But I'm trying to walk

00:30:13.500 Now with all the thoughts and faith that mother nature sends

00:30:26.560 Your mirror's getting jammed up with all your friends

00:30:29.540 That personality, everything ain't starting to blend

00:30:33.640 Not like one personality

00:30:36.980 When your mind starts to blend

00:30:40.300 Got so much personality

00:30:43.580 That you want a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend

00:30:48.020 Personality

00:30:49.340 Wondering how celebrities ever met

00:30:52.620 Looking fine on television

00:30:54.480 Personality crisis

00:30:56.460 You got it while it was hot

00:30:58.920 It's always hot, you know, but frustration

00:31:01.860 Honey, it's all you've got

00:31:04.520 Oh, don't you worry

00:31:06.500 Personality crisis

00:31:08.820 Please don't cry

00:31:10.820 It's just a personality crisis

00:31:15.000 Please don't stop

00:31:17.240 Because you want a personality

00:31:20.520 Don't you want a personality

00:31:22.100 We're back

00:31:26.460 We're back with Brian Lilly

00:31:27.560 And Brian, I have a man cold

00:31:29.160 And you should be feeling sorry for me right now 0.98

00:31:33.040 Because you're such a big wimp when you get man colds 0.99

00:31:35.980 I am a baby 0.99

00:31:37.040 I'm a total baby

00:31:38.320 I'm dying

00:31:39.020 Although apparently a lot of the Doug Ford campaign

00:31:42.300 I am told by sources

00:31:43.900 A lot of them were working to the final moment

00:31:46.920 A lot of them got colds and viruses and stuff like that

00:31:50.360 I guess they did okay, huh?

00:31:51.980 Yeah

00:31:53.700 Well, I've had a cold for going on three weeks

00:31:58.060 Ouch

00:31:58.660 Yeah

00:31:59.860 Somehow was able to do Jerry Agar's show on 1010

00:32:03.820 Despite having remnants of a cough

00:32:06.360 But at that point, I don't think it was contagious for anyone

00:32:10.540 Once you're that far along

00:32:11.980 So hopefully everyone's good

00:32:13.800 We have filled in for Jerry Agar last week

00:32:15.840 And he'll be in again next Friday

00:32:17.980 But, you know, campaign's over

00:32:20.940 Eating better

00:32:21.880 Sleeping

00:32:22.620 Trying to be healthy

00:32:23.940 Then we'll go into another campaign

00:32:27.900 That's right

00:32:28.520 So did Doug Ford get what he wanted?

00:32:31.780 Not really

00:32:32.620 Yes and no

00:32:33.740 I described it Friday morning as

00:32:36.720 A bit of a campaign of tears for everyone

00:32:39.700 Everyone got a bit of what they wanted

00:32:41.660 But not all the things they had on Santa's list for Christmas

00:32:44.420 So Ford wanted more than the 83 seats he got last time

00:32:48.980 By the time the legislature broke

00:32:51.240 He only had 79 seats

00:32:52.640 He got 80

00:32:53.700 That's still a strong mandate

00:32:55.640 It's 65.5% of the seats in the legislature

00:33:00.240 So pretty darn close to a super majority

00:33:03.100 Yep

00:33:03.660 But, you know, I was in the room at the Congress Center

00:33:08.700 And it is a bit of a deflated feeling a little bit

00:33:12.020 Not totally

00:33:13.540 But a bit

00:33:15.020 The Liberals got official party status

00:33:17.840 Which makes them happy

00:33:18.840 But Bonnie didn't win her seat 1.00

00:33:20.300 They're keeping her on as leader 0.99

00:33:22.660 But perhaps only until March 20th

00:33:24.640 Which is the day after their next big fundraiser

00:33:26.860 At the Metro Toronto Convention Center

00:33:29.380 Even though they did just vote

00:33:32.060 You know, in support of her yesterday

00:33:33.540 She may step down after the big fundraiser

00:33:35.480 That's supposed to bring in more than a million

00:33:37.060 And then the NDP

00:33:39.220 Well, they lost seats

00:33:41.260 But with just 18% of the vote

00:33:43.440 Compared to 30% for the Liberals

00:33:45.340 They've maintained official opposition status

00:33:48.480 Talk about vote efficiency

00:33:50.700 Winner-winner, chicken dinner

00:33:52.560 Yeah, everybody seemed to win and lose something

00:33:55.500 Vladimir Zelensky was in the Oval Office this week

00:33:59.540 It was in all the papers

00:34:00.740 He obviously didn't win what he wanted

00:34:04.320 But there does seem to be

00:34:06.500 An effort around the world

00:34:09.260 To rally to support Ukraine

00:34:11.900 Do you think in the long run

00:34:13.620 He's going to benefit from that terrible meeting

00:34:16.060 That took place at the White House?

00:34:18.540 No, there's no winners

00:34:19.640 Coming out of that meeting 1.00

00:34:21.160 And both sides were stupid 1.00

00:34:23.340 You know, Trump and Vance overreacted 1.00

00:34:27.760 But Zelensky

00:34:29.540 Walked into a trap

00:34:31.660 Well, you watch the whole thing

00:34:33.560 And he's actually

00:34:34.460 Meeting's going

00:34:35.480 Seems to be going fine

00:34:37.120 And

00:34:39.220 You know, I heard the Americans on the right 0.77

00:34:42.280 Saying, oh, he's shrugging his shoulders

00:34:43.600 He's rolling his eyes

00:34:44.560 And I thought, yeah, come on

00:34:45.660 And then you go and you watch the whole thing

00:34:47.720 From the pool camera

00:34:48.880 And he is

00:34:50.240 And you're like, okay, that's not good

00:34:52.020 And then he starts lecturing

00:34:53.220 And then Trump goes over the top

00:34:54.660 And then they both fall apart

00:34:55.900 That deal, that mineral deal

00:34:58.460 Is critical to any path

00:35:00.620 For peace going forward

00:35:02.280 Because

00:35:02.900 You know

00:35:04.100 Some of those

00:35:05.020 A lot of that area

00:35:05.980 Where the minerals are

00:35:06.900 Russia currently holds

00:35:08.140 So you know that

00:35:09.060 If Trump signs that deal

00:35:10.500 He's going to force Putin

00:35:11.720 To give that land back

00:35:12.960 Both sides got to calm down

00:35:14.920 Get back in the room

00:35:16.140 And

00:35:17.220 And sign the deal

00:35:18.640 And

00:35:19.260 And, you know

00:35:20.080 Stop yelling at each other

00:35:22.100 It felt like

00:35:22.820 People talking past each other

00:35:25.020 Instead of to each other

00:35:26.140 I agree

00:35:28.480 There was probably

00:35:29.200 A bit of

00:35:29.740 A language issue

00:35:32.220 When

00:35:32.780 Zelensky said

00:35:34.020 They're doing this alone

00:35:35.660 And that seemed to set Trump off

00:35:37.400 But things were already heated

00:35:38.520 At that point

00:35:39.200 I think he meant

00:35:40.640 You know

00:35:40.880 We're the only ones

00:35:41.600 Dying and fighting

00:35:42.640 And

00:35:44.340 Trump probably

00:35:45.220 Took that to mean

00:35:46.380 You know

00:35:48.060 No one's giving us assistance

00:35:50.000 And

00:35:50.540 You know

00:35:50.960 We're giving you billions

00:35:52.100 Everyone calmed down

00:35:54.260 The deal was just about signed

00:35:56.060 Go back

00:35:57.160 Eat the rubber chicken

00:35:58.220 Sign the deal

00:35:59.560 Zelensky's in another meeting

00:36:02.040 He's in a meeting

00:36:02.760 With King Charles

00:36:04.060 I believe today

00:36:05.160 And

00:36:06.280 The Prime Minister

00:36:07.180 In the dying days

00:36:08.960 Of his tenure

00:36:09.780 Is over in London

00:36:10.760 As well

00:36:11.440 Jason Kenney

00:36:12.840 Former Federal Minister

00:36:14.420 Former Alberta Premier

00:36:15.700 Is saying that

00:36:16.860 The Prime Minister

00:36:17.460 Should go in there

00:36:18.160 And say to the King

00:36:19.020 We need you to comment

00:36:20.360 On this situation

00:36:21.620 With Mr. Trump

00:36:22.600 What do you think about that?

00:36:24.260 Well I agree with Kenny

00:36:26.500 That

00:36:27.060 Getting an audience

00:36:28.920 With the King

00:36:29.600 Is a

00:36:30.240 A test of competence

00:36:32.340 For the PMO

00:36:33.400 I imagine

00:36:34.500 That

00:36:35.180 They will

00:36:36.280 Because I can't imagine 0.97

00:36:38.060 Them being so incompetent 0.97

00:36:39.280 Not to 0.80

00:36:39.780 Get the audience

00:36:41.120 Now if they ask

00:36:42.360 And King Charles refuses

00:36:43.880 That will be another slide

00:36:46.360 I mean

00:36:46.680 Keir Starmer

00:36:47.680 Was in the White House

00:36:49.340 In the Oval Office

00:36:51.040 Days before Zelensky

00:36:52.320 Yeah

00:36:52.820 And he was asked

00:36:54.300 About

00:36:54.740 Trump's comments

00:36:56.780 On Canada

00:36:57.400 And he had nothing

00:36:58.620 To say

00:36:59.060 He said

00:37:00.380 Oh I think you're

00:37:01.220 Trying to drive

00:37:01.740 A wedge between us

00:37:02.660 And that was my

00:37:03.780 First act

00:37:04.480 Friends are not

00:37:05.720 Coming to our defense

00:37:06.660 The palace

00:37:09.040 The palace was asked

00:37:09.520 To comment on it

00:37:10.340 And they said

00:37:11.160 That's not something

00:37:12.000 We would normally

00:37:12.600 Comment on

00:37:13.340 Okay so

00:37:15.740 If Trudeau asks

00:37:17.260 And King Charles

00:37:18.700 Refuses 0.99

00:37:19.320 Expect a big boost

00:37:20.880 In support for

00:37:22.220 Canada

00:37:23.440 Becoming a republic

00:37:24.660 And you know

00:37:25.340 That I am a

00:37:26.260 Reluctant monarchist

00:37:27.240 Because I don't trust

00:37:28.160 The people that would

00:37:29.560 Be drawn together

00:37:30.280 In a blue ribbon panel

00:37:31.320 To come up with

00:37:32.400 A better constitution

00:37:34.100 Than we have

00:37:34.820 It would be

00:37:35.680 Constitution by committee

00:37:37.800 It would be horrible

00:37:38.820 And everything

00:37:42.100 Under the sun

00:37:44.140 Would be a right

00:37:44.940 And everything else

00:37:47.800 Would be a mess

00:37:48.480 So I'm a reluctant

00:37:50.820 Monarchist

00:37:51.400 But if they're not

00:37:52.460 Going to help

00:37:53.140 If they're not

00:37:54.140 Going to offer

00:37:54.660 Even hey

00:37:55.780 No Canada is Canada 0.94

00:37:57.160 Then what's the point

00:37:59.000 Fair point

00:38:00.800 We're days away

00:38:02.120 From the tariffs

00:38:03.320 Apparently

00:38:04.040 I mean God knows

00:38:05.340 It's up and down

00:38:05.940 Like a toilet seat

00:38:06.880 You can't tell

00:38:08.080 If it's going to

00:38:08.640 Happen or not

00:38:09.300 But apparently

00:38:10.200 Apparently

00:38:10.960 They're insisting

00:38:12.180 That the tariffs

00:38:12.860 Are going to go ahead

00:38:13.700 On March the 4th

00:38:15.220 What do you think

00:38:16.400 What are your sources

00:38:17.120 Telling you

00:38:17.760 And what do you think

00:38:18.680 We should do

00:38:19.380 If in fact

00:38:20.660 They get imposed

00:38:21.680 Well I know

00:38:23.400 This really smart guy

00:38:24.380 Has been telling

00:38:24.940 All of his clients

00:38:25.760 Don't react to

00:38:26.460 What Trump says

00:38:27.260 React to what Trump does

00:38:28.640 Oh that guy

00:38:29.360 Yeah

00:38:30.400 It can sell us something

00:38:32.140 So hold your fire

00:38:35.480 Until they actually come in

00:38:37.060 Stop talking about

00:38:39.420 You know

00:38:40.920 Bringing about conscription 0.62

00:38:42.400 For the Canadian army

00:38:43.800 To defend against

00:38:46.620 An American invasion 0.95

00:38:47.680 Everyone put on

00:38:49.000 Their big boy pants

00:38:50.000 Wait and see what happens

00:38:51.800 Respond if he does

00:38:53.180 You know

00:38:53.460 You mentioned Doug Ford

00:38:54.480 Off the top

00:38:55.140 He has already instructed

00:38:57.120 The Ontario liquor store

00:38:59.880 Which is also

00:39:01.180 The wholesaler

00:39:01.940 So it's the biggest

00:39:02.640 Purchaser of beverage

00:39:03.640 Alcohol in the world

00:39:04.540 Stop purchasing

00:39:06.200 Any American alcohol

00:39:07.640 And take what's there

00:39:09.020 Off the shelves

00:39:09.980 The moment the tariffs

00:39:11.260 Come into effect

00:39:12.180 Effect

00:39:13.580 That's the main thing

00:39:15.000 When they happen

00:39:15.700 Yeah

00:39:16.820 So

00:39:17.320 That's one reaction

00:39:19.780 That's ready to go

00:39:20.600 I know the feds

00:39:21.360 Have their list

00:39:21.940 Of counter terrorists

00:39:22.920 Ready to go

00:39:24.200 There's no winners

00:39:27.540 In a trade war

00:39:28.280 But we are at a

00:39:29.460 Distinct disadvantage

00:39:31.320 We still got to react

00:39:32.900 We still have to do something

00:39:34.040 You know

00:39:34.340 Sitting in the fetal position

00:39:35.680 Saying 0.99

00:39:36.040 Please hit me harder 0.91

00:39:37.900 Daddy 0.84

00:39:38.240 Is not an option

00:39:39.560 Yeah

00:39:40.100 But we also have to

00:39:42.400 Continue to play

00:39:43.340 The long game

00:39:44.020 And that's

00:39:44.760 Being in Washington

00:39:45.920 The way

00:39:46.560 David McGinty

00:39:48.060 Was this week

00:39:48.900 Speaking to officials

00:39:50.000 Saying here's what

00:39:50.700 We're doing on the border

00:39:51.640 You know

00:39:53.860 And for folks

00:39:54.960 That say

00:39:55.340 Oh there's no problem

00:39:56.420 On the border

00:39:56.820 Operation deterrence

00:39:58.020 Is the Ontario government's response

00:40:00.160 And it found 46 pounds

00:40:01.900 Of fentanyl

00:40:02.620 Headed to the border

00:40:03.960 In the last two months

00:40:05.860 Since they launched this

00:40:06.780 With the OPP

00:40:07.420 And municipal partners

00:40:08.920 That's more than was found

00:40:10.160 All of last year

00:40:10.980 That's the type of stuff

00:40:12.940 You got to show them

00:40:13.700 Try and avoid the tariffs

00:40:15.660 Is always the best move

00:40:16.860 But what I'm worried about

00:40:18.160 Is they come in

00:40:19.300 And so March 4th

00:40:21.600 Is general tariffs

00:40:22.700 Allegedly due to the border

00:40:24.000 March 12th

00:40:25.200 Steel and aluminum

00:40:26.040 Right

00:40:26.580 And then

00:40:27.560 April 2nd

00:40:29.560 Again

00:40:30.240 Sector by sector tariffs

00:40:31.480 Is he going to stack them

00:40:33.080 Does one negate the other

00:40:35.000 If he stacks them 0.97

00:40:36.260 We are completely screwed 0.84

00:40:38.340 But

00:40:38.780 Section 232 tariffs

00:40:40.680 That's the president's ability

00:40:42.120 To use them

00:40:42.720 As a national security measure

00:40:44.180 Is not a long term action

00:40:46.020 It's a short term one

00:40:47.660 And to continue

00:40:49.080 It needs to go to Congress

00:40:50.400 And

00:40:51.720 That's why we need to continue

00:40:53.780 Speaking to

00:40:54.660 Members of the House of Representatives

00:40:56.120 In the Senate

00:40:56.900 Scott Moe

00:40:57.980 Was also down there

00:40:58.960 At the same time this week

00:41:00.020 As

00:41:00.700 McGinty was

00:41:02.260 Holding meetings

00:41:03.720 One of Canada's big allies

00:41:05.640 Down there

00:41:06.100 Senator Kramer

00:41:06.860 Fell on ice

00:41:08.640 And

00:41:08.880 Cracked his head

00:41:10.200 And is suffering

00:41:11.240 A major concussion

00:41:12.140 So

00:41:12.560 Thoughts and prayers

00:41:13.960 With him

00:41:14.440 For a speedy recovery

00:41:15.500 But we've got to find

00:41:16.660 Those allies

00:41:17.300 And build the alliances

00:41:18.320 And

00:41:18.660 Someone like Ben Shapiro

00:41:20.200 Coming out

00:41:20.800 We get flacked

00:41:22.340 In the Toronto Sun

00:41:23.000 For running Ben's columns

00:41:24.160 And I get flacked

00:41:25.100 For talking to

00:41:25.800 Guys like him

00:41:27.120 Or

00:41:27.780 Alex Marlow

00:41:29.060 Of Breitbart

00:41:29.820 Who I did a podcast

00:41:30.600 With this week

00:41:31.480 On his channel

00:41:32.520 When

00:41:34.060 Guys like Ben Shapiro

00:41:35.380 Come out

00:41:35.940 Major figure

00:41:36.660 In the conservative

00:41:37.600 Movement

00:41:38.020 In the states

00:41:38.540 And say

00:41:38.920 I don't get

00:41:39.980 Why we're going

00:41:40.540 After Canada

00:41:41.220 I get the other guys 0.84

00:41:42.340 And hit China harder 0.97

00:41:43.940 But why Canada

00:41:45.380 Those sorts of things

00:41:46.740 Help

00:41:46.980 And those sorts of things

00:41:47.940 Happen

00:41:48.400 Because of

00:41:49.040 Personal relationships

00:41:50.360 Because of

00:41:51.120 The meetings

00:41:52.440 Because of

00:41:53.100 The lobbying

00:41:54.080 That we do

00:41:54.760 Don't

00:41:56.260 Pull up

00:41:56.900 The drawbridge

00:41:58.600 And try and build

00:41:59.540 A moat around Canada

00:42:00.300 It's an important

00:42:01.300 It's an important

00:42:02.800 Point to conclude on

00:42:03.980 And have you

00:42:04.800 Comment on this

00:42:05.720 You know

00:42:06.140 Not to be

00:42:07.740 Sister Mary Sunshine

00:42:08.740 With my man Cole

00:42:10.320 But I do feel like

00:42:11.480 There's some good things

00:42:12.440 That have been happening

00:42:13.220 You know

00:42:14.020 National pride

00:42:15.100 Our leaders

00:42:16.280 Notwithstanding

00:42:17.240 Their partisan

00:42:17.940 Bickering

00:42:18.660 Are all basically

00:42:19.820 Saying the same thing 0.59

00:42:20.980 You know

00:42:21.800 There's a commitment

00:42:22.500 Now

00:42:23.160 To more defense

00:42:24.160 Spending

00:42:24.720 People are

00:42:25.500 Understanding

00:42:26.100 Why we need

00:42:26.720 Pipelines

00:42:27.400 And energy

00:42:27.940 Capacity

00:42:28.580 Like there's some

00:42:29.680 Good things

00:42:30.200 Happening

00:42:30.720 Coming out

00:42:31.340 Of all of this

00:42:32.120 And I think

00:42:33.080 It puts us

00:42:34.660 In good stead

00:42:35.200 For the future

00:42:35.740 What do you think?

00:42:37.840 Well I kind of

00:42:39.280 Agree with you

00:42:39.960 But the

00:42:40.920 Governing party

00:42:41.740 Of this country

00:42:42.500 Which will continue

00:42:44.420 To be the

00:42:45.120 Governing party

00:42:45.760 After Justin Trudeau

00:42:46.960 Resigns

00:42:47.420 When Mark Carney

00:42:48.240 Is given

00:42:50.380 His coronation

00:42:51.180 They continue

00:42:54.060 To put out

00:42:55.120 Ads

00:42:56.520 In social media

00:42:57.320 Attacking

00:42:58.000 Pierre Poliev

00:42:59.380 As being

00:42:59.760 Too close

00:43:00.220 To Donald

00:43:00.600 Trump

00:43:00.860 That's just 1.00

00:43:01.280 Really stupid 1.00

00:43:02.040 Politics 1.00

00:43:02.680 At this moment

00:43:03.580 And while

00:43:05.740 There's a

00:43:06.200 Unity in

00:43:07.180 Saying

00:43:07.500 We need

00:43:08.640 To do

00:43:08.880 Many of

00:43:09.440 The same

00:43:09.800 Things

00:43:10.320 They're also

00:43:11.660 Putting out

00:43:13.060 A statement

00:43:13.980 Saying that

00:43:14.840 Poliev

00:43:15.500 Will sell out

00:43:16.600 Canada

00:43:17.180 To his

00:43:17.740 American

00:43:18.980 Buddies 0.61

00:43:20.460 As soon as

00:43:21.020 They can

00:43:21.340 Stop saying

00:43:23.020 You want

00:43:23.360 To in

00:43:23.640 Canada

00:43:24.000 And then

00:43:24.560 Acting

00:43:25.040 This way

00:43:25.580 It's

00:43:29.000 Really

00:43:29.820 Frustrating

00:43:30.500 But

00:43:32.240 You know

00:43:32.780 200

00:43:34.160 You know

00:43:35.960 The pipeline

00:43:37.060 Thing

00:43:37.360 Just watching

00:43:38.300 A clip

00:43:38.640 On BNN

00:43:39.280 And I

00:43:39.520 Posted it

00:43:39.980 On X

00:43:40.560 200 million

00:43:41.980 Dollars worth

00:43:42.680 Of Russian 0.73

00:43:43.120 Oil was

00:43:43.700 Imported 0.99

00:43:44.140 Into Canada

00:43:44.860 Last year

00:43:45.480 That wasn't

00:43:46.300 Crude

00:43:46.720 It was

00:43:47.140 Refined 0.97

00:43:47.760 And that's

00:43:48.480 The loophole

00:43:49.020 On how

00:43:49.340 They get

00:43:49.700 It in

00:43:50.080 But we're

00:43:50.820 Blocking

00:43:51.320 And still

00:43:51.940 Blocking

00:43:52.360 Pipelines

00:43:52.920 And Blanchette 0.78

00:43:53.620 Is still

00:43:53.940 Saying no

00:43:54.520 To pipelines

00:43:55.140 That run

00:43:56.000 West to

00:43:56.460 East

00:43:56.780 And you

00:43:57.820 Know

00:43:57.960 The majority 0.87

00:43:59.940 In Quebec

00:44:00.700 Still oppose

00:44:01.480 The pipeline

00:44:02.060 Quebec is

00:44:03.040 Running off

00:44:03.560 Of Russian 0.73

00:44:04.120 Saudi

00:44:04.600 And American

00:44:05.200 Oil

00:44:05.520 It could be

00:44:06.740 Running on

00:44:07.180 Canadian

00:44:07.580 Oil

00:44:07.940 We need

00:44:09.600 To continue

00:44:10.120 To grow up

00:44:10.680 I'm glad

00:44:11.220 Many people

00:44:12.020 Are realizing

00:44:13.000 That

00:44:13.380 But you

00:44:14.520 Know

00:44:14.640 There's still

00:44:15.120 A ways

00:44:15.420 To go

00:44:15.760 Yeah

00:44:16.180 There is

00:44:16.720 Indeed

00:44:17.040 Well I'm

00:44:18.200 Delated

00:44:18.580 For your

00:44:19.760 Insight

00:44:20.100 This week

00:44:20.540 I'm

00:44:20.700 Delated

00:44:20.980 You do

00:44:21.380 Not have

00:44:21.900 The deadly

00:44:22.300 Virus

00:44:22.820 That I

00:44:23.120 Have

00:44:23.260 Got

00:44:23.500 But have

00:44:25.540 A great

00:44:25.980 Day

00:44:26.360 And a

00:44:26.720 Great

00:44:26.900 Week

00:44:27.120 Thank you

00:44:27.660 Sir

00:44:27.860 Thank you

00:44:47.640 And a

00:44:57.980 Lie

00:44:59.000 Of

00:45:00.300 Jebbo's so my baby

00:45:03.000 Smiling around the old Syracire 0.90

00:45:05.800 Like he was my big baby

00:45:16.800 This is the kind of place where no one cares

00:45:19.500 What's your living for?

00:45:22.100 And Jebbo's so preoccupied

00:45:24.800 You don't care about your phone

00:45:26.800 And that's why Jebbo's fly

00:45:29.100 Jebbo's down, Jebbo's so my baby

00:45:33.100 Smiling around the old Syracire 0.90

00:45:36.100 Like he was my big baby

00:45:42.100 My big baby

00:45:59.100 Like your baby

00:46:11.100 woman 0.99

00:46:18.100 Thank you.

00:46:48.100 Thank you.

00:47:18.100 Thank you.

00:47:48.100 Thank you.

00:48:18.100 Thank you.

00:48:48.100 And we're back.

00:49:09.000 And we're back with John Mraz.

00:49:10.340 And John, I apologize for my voice.

00:49:12.180 I've got a man called and I am dying.

00:49:15.080 So it's been nice knowing you.

00:49:17.860 It's probably appropriate that I'm dying this week because it feels like the world order is as well.

00:49:22.920 And possibly the world wanted to get your reaction quickly to what took place in the Oval Office this week and then turn to reactions around the world.

00:49:35.300 Well, I suppose my feeling this morning is that I'm unimpressed with the patriarchy from every corner, including Ukrainian. 1.00

00:49:43.520 I think what happened in the Oval Office, if anybody wants to revisit it, turn the sound off.

00:49:51.220 And what you have is a schoolyard fight, three would-be silverback gorillas. 1.00

00:49:57.140 Zelensky, of course, fighting for his people's life, but not completely innocent of some transgressions.

00:50:05.240 And of, I suppose, not working towards a more transactional Europe.

00:50:15.640 Trump, whom I can't stand, I don't know where his geopolitics or how they're created or what they're informed by, seems to be pushing us into a European war with an isolationist North America.

00:50:31.040 And that is a very dangerous situation.

00:50:33.260 What has the reaction been in Ukraine to what their leader did or how he did it?

00:50:41.220 Well, I will say about Zelensky, who is tough, who has shown real metal.

00:50:47.220 If you watch his body language, he is strong, he is purposeful.

00:50:51.700 He's trying to make cogent arguments, but it's absurd.

00:50:54.640 It's theater of hate.

00:50:55.540 It's theater of observe.

00:50:57.140 And so he's sitting there.

00:50:58.520 I think Ukrainians are frustrated that the war hasn't ended, that there's been no victory, that the incursions and the curse and the attacks by drone into Russia have effected nothing, that Putin is perfectly happy to plot along, that maybe up to half a million young Ukrainian men and women are dead.

00:51:17.580 And then it looks like they will lose not only the territory Russia owns, but now a lot of their own natural resources to pay back the American empire.

00:51:28.640 So I think that Zelensky is rapidly losing support.

00:51:33.340 I don't think there's data out there.

00:51:35.540 And I think Ukrainians will move towards a strong man because Zelensky has an empathy about him and a softness about him that are unusual for that theater, that political theater in Eastern Europe and in Russia.

00:51:51.380 And I think that they will be looking for someone more forceful.

00:51:57.940 But he's being celebrated as the leader of the free world.

00:52:00.660 How can that be?

00:52:01.820 Like people around the world regard him as the leader of democracy and civilization at the present moment.

00:52:10.340 I'm impressed that Europeans are coalescing.

00:52:13.940 They're investing.

00:52:14.780 Although, as my father before he died said, nothing ever goes wrong when the Germans arm up. 0.96

00:52:19.680 Germany and Poland, in particular, perhaps Britain, are evolving in terms of their arms manufacturing capacity, in terms of their intelligence, and in terms of a future that probably does not include NATO or America as a dependable ally.

00:52:39.200 Everybody's saying the right things.

00:52:41.840 But Zelensky has not solved the problem, nor won the war.

00:52:46.000 In fact, he's been losing ground.

00:52:49.000 And he can't lay that all entirely at the feet of the United States and his European partners.

00:52:56.000 His organizational capacity, as I understand from people in the military, is hampered by inviting.

00:53:05.040 And a lot of people don't even believe he's actually in charge, that Zelensky is essentially a salesman for the investment of equity into Ukraine, so that it can be a future dependable resource provider to the European Union.

00:53:20.840 I cannot believe that Russia will ever give up that chunk of land, Crimea, Sevastopol, probably all the way to Odessa, because they don't have a warm water port.

00:53:32.140 And that's a 1,100-kilometer border that they have to defend.

00:53:36.380 And the analog is this.

00:53:38.860 If we decided to join Russia tomorrow, Canada, because of the threats and the tariffs being directed at us by Mr. Trump, the United States would invade and take Canada in one hot second.

00:53:51.880 They'd say, I'm sorry, we just can't defend this border, and you've always really been part of our model.

00:53:57.380 So this is a difficult problem.

00:53:59.300 You sound a little bit more critical of Zelensky than I was expecting you to.

00:54:08.780 So when Trump said, for example, that Ukraine is losing the war, do you believe that that is true?

00:54:17.000 Do you agree with that?

00:54:19.040 Zelensky is losing the war.

00:54:22.060 So what happens next?

00:54:23.580 Should he have taken any deal that was offered to him?

00:54:27.980 You know, no security guarantees, just, you know, agree to give them their, what they were lusting after in terms of mineral deposits, and then have some sandwiches in the Roosevelt Room?

00:54:39.640 Should they have agreed to that?

00:54:42.300 I think that Zelensky, I mean, it's easy to say this in hindsight.

00:54:46.040 Zelensky has been, and I've been arguing this idea on your podcast for, I think, two years now.

00:54:53.540 This looks like a managed war to me that has helped the American economy and helped the Russian economy and helped Putin's stability as a leader for Nueva Russia, which is the new Soviet Union, and helped the American body politic in terms of providing employment jobs, and up until Trump, anyway, being the world's policeman.

00:55:16.440 And there's been a lot of value, but if you're really going to win this war, Vladimir Putin really wanted to take Ukraine, just as if Israel wanted to commit a genocide.

00:55:27.480 Russia has the resources, human and soft and hard resources, to take Ukraine.

00:55:32.620 So this is a managed war.

00:55:36.020 Zelensky knows it's a managed war, and he cannot win it.

00:55:39.640 He would have to throw everything at those front lines, no reserves, and put three to four million people at arms.

00:55:47.660 Final question.

00:55:49.140 What next?

00:55:49.900 Like, is NATO dead?

00:55:51.620 Do we declare NATO dead and move into some kind of European firmament?

00:55:56.280 Do we get nukes for Canada and Latvia and countries like that? 0.92

00:56:00.520 What do you think should be the next steps?

00:56:03.320 I am no expert in the nuclear question, although I notice many countries are now developing nuclear programs and starting to think about having their own sense of security, perhaps on the Israeli model.

00:56:16.600 I think when it comes to NATO, Trump may or may not leave NATO, but he certainly will keep on servicing 50% of its financing.

00:56:27.960 And so as an isolationist, and he was the one who first mentioned that big ocean that protects him from Europe, and then Zelensky echoed it.

00:56:36.320 We saw that awful scene in the Oval Office.

00:56:38.460 I think NATO is not dead as an idea.

00:56:42.920 It may evolve into something called something else that includes all of the Western European and Eastern European partners, but without America as a necessary partner.

00:56:52.020 And then hopefully Donald Trump and his populist fascism that is threatening the very lives of our children will dissipate as people start to realize that these are empty promises and a risky, risky environment.

00:57:06.300 And we'll have somebody who puts the office of the U.S. presidency, and they can join whatever the European Union have put together.

00:57:13.620 Well, hopefully we get to that moment where Mr. Trump and Mr. Vance are no longer part of the picture, but unfortunately for the foreseeable future, they are.

00:57:27.000 John Mraz, thank you for your insight and your wisdom as always, and I wish that you do not get this man called.

00:57:34.840 I haven't.

00:57:35.560 Can't you hear it?

00:57:36.540 No, you sound like Rod Stewart in 68.

00:57:38.760 Yeah, that's a good period to sound like Rod Stewart.

00:57:42.380 All right.

00:57:42.860 Okay, go sing some Small Faces tunes.

00:57:44.880 Thank you, sir.

00:57:46.040 I go, I go.

00:57:46.600 I go.

00:57:46.620 I go.

00:57:46.660 I go.

00:57:46.700 I go.

00:57:48.660 I go.

00:57:50.660 I go.

00:57:52.660 I go.

00:57:54.660 I go.

00:57:56.660 I go.

00:57:58.660 I go.

00:58:00.660 I go.

00:58:01.660 I go.

00:58:02.660 I go.

00:58:03.660 I go.

00:58:04.660 I go.

00:58:06.660 I go.

00:58:07.660 I go.

00:58:08.660 You want to go.

00:58:09.920 You want to go.

00:58:10.800 You want to go get some Chinese rocks.

00:58:14.500 I'm living on a Chinese rock. 0.95

00:58:17.920 All my best things are in heart.

00:58:21.420 I'm living on a Chinese rock. 0.95

00:58:24.320 Everything is in the pool.

00:58:26.760 Don't jump it in

00:58:27.820 The mess is falling off the wall

00:58:44.060 My girlfriend's crying in the shower stall 1.00

00:58:48.080 It's hard, it's a bitch 1.00

00:58:49.600 I should've been rich 0.99

00:58:51.420 But I'm just thinking I'll check it in

00:58:54.480 I'm living on a Chinese rock 0.99

00:58:58.480 All my best things are very hard

00:59:01.960 I'm living on a Chinese rock 0.99

00:59:05.380 Everything is in the punch

00:59:08.300 I'm living in

00:59:24.480 The best is falling off the wall

00:59:37.700 My girlfriend's crying in the shower stall 1.00

00:59:41.800 It's hard, it's a bitch 1.00

00:59:43.420 I should've been rich 1.00

00:59:45.260 But I'm just digging a Chinese ditch 1.00

00:59:48.760 I'm living on a Chinese rock 0.99

00:59:52.760 All my best things are very hard

00:59:55.760 I'm living on a Chinese rock 0.99

00:59:59.760 Everything is in the punch of me

01:00:02.760 I'm living on a Chinese rock 0.99

01:00:23.760 This is CFRA Live Sunday Political Panel

01:00:41.080 A sunny start to your Sunday

01:00:45.100 This year for a Live Sunday Political Panel

01:00:46.740 Starts now

01:00:48.660 Carl Belanger is the president at Traction Strategies

01:00:50.980 He is here to discuss federal politics this week

01:00:53.760 Carl, thanks so much for joining us

01:00:54.980 Morning, Andrew

01:00:56.060 Warren Kinsella is a strategist and post-media columnist

01:00:58.260 You can read his latest in the Toronto Sun

01:01:00.000 Good morning, Warren

01:01:00.620 Morning, I have a mad cold

01:01:02.580 Oh, boy

01:01:03.760 I'm sorry you're dealing with that

01:01:05.680 It's also minus 30 here in Ottawa this morning

01:01:07.620 So I feel like probably a lot of people catching that

01:01:10.040 Tasha Carradine is also here

01:01:11.660 Political columnist for the National Post

01:01:13.040 A writer for GZERO Media and an author

01:01:14.740 Tasha, good morning

01:01:15.900 Good morning, I am healthy

01:01:17.800 You're bragging, you're bragging at this point

01:01:20.840 This weekend, anyway

01:01:22.180 Where do we even start this week?

01:01:23.720 I wanted to start with the latest

01:01:24.780 Perhaps coming out of the White House on Friday

01:01:26.460 So today we've got Prime Minister Justin Trudeau

01:01:29.080 He's in London for a major summit today

01:01:30.820 On European defense

01:01:31.960 And of course, it's kind of taken on some new meaning here

01:01:35.020 So we've been getting reaction about this kind of all weekend

01:01:37.380 In terms of that breakdown of communication

01:01:39.140 To say like the most diplomatically

01:01:41.160 Breakdown of communication between

01:01:42.860 Vladimir Zelensky and U.S. President Donald Trump

01:01:45.640 Carl, I'll start with you

01:01:47.080 First, can you think of anything comparable

01:01:49.580 And is this really kind of pushing everybody

01:01:52.500 Including European allies

01:01:53.700 Into a wake-up mode?

01:01:56.180 No, I can't think of anything comparable

01:01:58.420 There's been lots of bilateral meetings

01:02:01.520 In the history of the world

01:02:02.820 And this was probably the worst example

01:02:06.820 Of how diplomacy should be conducted

01:02:08.400 It was like a bad reality TV show

01:02:11.940 And it feels like they were, you know, showboating

01:02:14.260 They were not trying to do anything constructive

01:02:17.620 That's for sure

01:02:18.580 And, you know, Zelensky, you know, as much as he

01:02:21.180 Felt probably pretty good for him and his supporters

01:02:24.480 To stand up to Trump and Vance

01:02:26.620 It probably fell in the trap

01:02:28.220 You know, that they were setting for him

01:02:29.680 And, you know, it's all very sad

01:02:32.700 Because there's lots of lives at stake

01:02:34.300 And nothing was sorted out during that meeting

01:02:38.200 And I'm not sure what the future entails

01:02:41.500 When it comes to the relationship

01:02:42.640 Between the United States and Ukraine 0.79

01:02:44.220 But clearly, Trump is being the mouthpiece of Putin

01:02:48.380 Repeating the argument of Putin

01:02:49.800 And it's a very strange world we live in

01:02:53.800 Oh boy, to say the least as well

01:02:55.680 And I guess, Warren, to the point of Carl

01:02:57.800 Just mentioning the word trapped

01:02:58.680 Trapped, it did feel like Zelensky 0.89

01:03:00.620 Kind of damned if you do 0.98

01:03:01.460 Damned if you don't, no matter what 0.98

01:03:02.640 I don't know if you've seen anything like this 0.99

01:03:05.140 But obviously, shocking to watch

01:03:07.520 It was, but it had an impact on the world

01:03:12.720 And world opinion

01:03:13.560 You know, every nation has clearly reaffirmed

01:03:16.600 Its support for Ukraine

01:03:17.860 In the wake of that meeting

01:03:19.900 Europe is openly acknowledging that NATO is dead

01:03:23.960 And is focusing on a new alliance

01:03:26.200 Leaders are putting together trade deals

01:03:28.820 Go around the Americans, Canada included 0.99

01:03:30.660 And anybody who's gotten close to Trump

01:03:33.780 Or his style

01:03:35.300 Whether it's Wayne Gretzky

01:03:36.720 Or Kevin O'Leary

01:03:37.600 Or Bobby Orr

01:03:38.760 He's basically despised by Canadians now

01:03:41.400 And anybody who hasn't clearly opposed Trump

01:03:44.640 And what he's doing

01:03:45.780 Whether it's Pierre Pollyevre

01:03:46.660 Or King Charles

01:03:48.180 Are losing support by the truckload

01:03:50.940 Like things are moving really fast

01:03:53.480 And the world is changing under our feet

01:03:56.180 I think

01:03:56.760 And anybody who doesn't acknowledge that

01:03:59.980 And get behind that

01:04:01.040 Is going to be left behind

01:04:02.180 And I'm hopeful that Canada

01:04:04.480 Doesn't get left behind

01:04:05.700 Because things are moving quickly

01:04:08.500 Very quickly

01:04:09.720 And as I mentioned

01:04:10.200 The Prime Minister in London today

01:04:11.920 One of the last few foreign trips

01:04:13.900 I suppose he will take at this point

01:04:15.880 But Tasha, I guess your initial reaction

01:04:18.000 To what was happening on Friday

01:04:19.140 And what this means moving forward

01:04:20.680 As much as you can think of it

01:04:22.200 That it says here

01:04:23.580 Because I think we're all just kind of watching

01:04:24.920 What happens next

01:04:25.820 It was appalling

01:04:28.320 But it also

01:04:30.520 You know, when people show you who they are

01:04:32.280 Believe them

01:04:32.820 So

01:04:33.540 What it showed

01:04:34.940 I mean, it was

01:04:35.600 I believe it was a trap

01:04:36.940 And Zelensky fell into it

01:04:38.440 And he also

01:04:39.580 I think

01:04:40.800 You know, in the heat of the moment

01:04:42.340 Defended his position with people that

01:04:45.820 He knows

01:04:46.640 He has said this essentially

01:04:48.160 Are living in an alternate reality

01:04:50.000 You can't do that

01:04:51.220 You can't litigate your case

01:04:52.460 With people who come from 1.00

01:04:53.420 A totally different worldview

01:04:54.480 The worldview of Putin

01:04:55.660 For example

01:04:56.360 Which Trump was clearly articulating

01:04:58.640 Even talking points

01:05:00.500 In his arguments with Zelensky

01:05:02.220 So

01:05:03.060 Zelensky put on

01:05:04.920 The show that Trump wanted

01:05:06.640 And gave Putin propaganda

01:05:08.420 That's all over social media

01:05:10.100 It was immediately deployed

01:05:11.120 So

01:05:12.120 It was

01:05:13.260 In that sense

01:05:14.400 What

01:05:15.580 To the advantage of Russia 1.00

01:05:17.080 But

01:05:17.480 The flip has been

01:05:18.500 The reaction has been

01:05:19.980 That Europe is now getting its act together

01:05:21.960 And saying

01:05:22.500 Okay

01:05:23.120 The gloves are off

01:05:24.880 We know

01:05:25.480 There's no point

01:05:26.440 They'd like to get

01:05:27.380 Trump and

01:05:28.260 Zelensky back

01:05:29.160 To hit the table

01:05:29.760 I actually did read that this morning

01:05:31.260 I don't know how that would work

01:05:32.440 But

01:05:33.080 In the meantime

01:05:33.900 The British

01:05:36.000 You know

01:05:36.680 Gave

01:05:36.960 Give him a warm

01:05:37.920 Starmer gave his onscale warm hug

01:05:39.680 You know

01:05:40.640 Even Maloney

01:05:41.400 Who's

01:05:42.080 You know

01:05:42.660 In Trump's good graces

01:05:43.960 Is there

01:05:45.080 And

01:05:45.900 Is trying to figure out

01:05:47.500 How she's going to do that dance 1.00

01:05:48.860 Between

01:05:49.260 You know

01:05:50.340 Not antagonizing Trump

01:05:51.580 But standing with her allies

01:05:52.720 She's standing with Ukraine

01:05:53.720 So

01:05:54.060 I think the reaction

01:05:56.020 Is going to be

01:05:56.680 This new world

01:05:57.500 Is going to take shape

01:05:58.340 Faster

01:05:58.820 Than we thought

01:05:59.740 Yeah

01:06:00.680 And

01:06:01.000 Volodymyr Zelensky

01:06:02.240 Over the course of the past 24 hours

01:06:03.840 Yes

01:06:04.080 Tweeting a couple of times

01:06:05.080 Talking about the importance

01:06:06.040 Of the U.S. relationship

01:06:06.940 And

01:06:07.280 You know

01:06:07.800 Thanking Donald Trump

01:06:08.760 And the American people

01:06:09.580 And Congress as well

01:06:10.620 So

01:06:10.800 It looks like

01:06:11.840 He's also trying to salvage

01:06:13.060 Anything that they can

01:06:13.960 In terms of trying to move forward

01:06:15.100 With the U.S. as a partner

01:06:16.100 The security guarantees

01:06:17.220 Was obviously part of this

01:06:18.260 But

01:06:18.660 It kind of frames to my next question

01:06:20.180 As well

01:06:20.520 Because we're all watching this

01:06:21.600 European leaders are watching this

01:06:22.820 I mentioned Trudeau's over in London

01:06:24.340 So

01:06:24.540 Tash

01:06:25.000 I'll start with you

01:06:25.500 Do we need to talk about

01:06:26.820 Defense spending

01:06:27.500 It doesn't feel like

01:06:28.740 We need to be talking about

01:06:30.080 You know

01:06:30.740 NATO spending commitments

01:06:31.800 We just need to start

01:06:32.960 Spending on our own defense

01:06:34.700 It seems

01:06:35.140 Oh

01:06:36.020 A hundred percent

01:06:36.640 And we need to spend

01:06:37.700 On things that are smart

01:06:38.700 And we need to spend

01:06:39.620 In a smarter way

01:06:40.980 And one of the

01:06:42.240 The problems with Canada

01:06:43.440 Our procurement process

01:06:44.520 Is torturous

01:06:45.460 We have got to speed that up

01:06:47.360 We've got to also speed up

01:06:49.120 The recruitment process

01:06:50.600 For recruits

01:06:51.360 The processing time

01:06:52.220 I was at an event last night

01:06:54.020 A military event

01:06:55.040 And talking to soldiers

01:06:56.780 And one who just joined

01:06:57.980 The reserves

01:06:58.380 He said

01:06:58.700 Took a year

01:06:59.420 From the time he applied

01:07:00.740 To the time that he was in

01:07:02.360 A year

01:07:02.800 It should not take a year

01:07:04.160 To process people

01:07:05.320 Into the Canadian army 0.97

01:07:06.800 It's ridiculous 0.93

01:07:07.620 Also

01:07:09.020 We have to spend

01:07:10.040 On smart things

01:07:10.780 You know

01:07:11.720 Drone warfare

01:07:12.560 Cyber warfare

01:07:13.580 This is where things are at

01:07:14.800 We're not in the big theaters

01:07:16.180 Where you've got

01:07:17.520 You know

01:07:17.840 We don't need

01:07:18.320 Aircraft carriers

01:07:19.360 And we don't need

01:07:19.900 A million tanks

01:07:20.660 We need that stuff

01:07:21.940 Because that stuff

01:07:23.060 Is cheap

01:07:23.560 It is effective

01:07:24.900 It is what Ukraine

01:07:26.220 Is actually using

01:07:26.920 A lot of too

01:07:27.660 Because the way war

01:07:29.300 Is practiced

01:07:30.100 Is now very different

01:07:31.520 So we have to adapt

01:07:32.380 Our military

01:07:32.840 To that reality

01:07:33.740 Spend smart

01:07:34.580 And spend more

01:07:35.180 I was going to mention

01:07:36.500 That yeah

01:07:36.880 Ukraine has been 0.98

01:07:37.740 Seamless at that

01:07:39.540 In terms of using

01:07:40.200 Some of that technology

01:07:41.080 As well

01:07:41.500 Warren we've talked

01:07:42.660 About this for decades

01:07:43.340 In terms of

01:07:44.020 You know

01:07:44.220 Procurement

01:07:44.780 And proper military

01:07:45.580 Spending

01:07:45.980 But is this

01:07:47.020 Kind of the kick 0.98

01:07:47.640 In the butt 0.99

01:07:48.080 That possibly 0.99

01:07:48.740 We need to

01:07:49.300 Kind of really

01:07:49.720 Pay attention

01:07:50.580 To this issue

01:07:51.140 Yeah for sure

01:07:52.640 And you've got

01:07:53.380 Liberals now

01:07:54.240 Saying that

01:07:54.940 And new democrats

01:07:56.300 Not objecting

01:07:57.260 It's clearly

01:07:58.580 What we need to do

01:07:59.960 But you know

01:08:01.240 As Tasha's point

01:08:02.220 Where do we focus

01:08:03.520 We're in an increasingly

01:08:04.860 Dangerous world

01:08:05.780 So we've got to be

01:08:06.420 Thinking about terrorism

01:08:07.560 We've got to be

01:08:08.600 Thinking about the arctic

01:08:09.600 We've got to be

01:08:10.660 Thinking about the

01:08:11.520 Hybrid war 0.98

01:08:12.300 That is being conducted

01:08:13.720 Around the world

01:08:14.620 Online and off

01:08:16.660 And you know

01:08:18.760 Canada

01:08:19.400 I don't have a lot

01:08:20.900 Of confidence

01:08:21.380 That we're

01:08:21.920 Thinking in that way

01:08:23.540 It's not just a question

01:08:24.900 Of spending more

01:08:25.720 It's being smarter

01:08:26.880 About what you spend on

01:08:28.320 In defence spending

01:08:29.740 And the jury's still out

01:08:31.540 Yeah

01:08:32.220 I think the

01:08:33.260 History has shown

01:08:34.400 We've seen what happens

01:08:35.460 Even when we do put

01:08:36.200 A ton of money

01:08:36.660 Into the military

01:08:37.280 That there are some

01:08:37.960 Issues there

01:08:39.000 With acquiring

01:08:39.520 What we need

01:08:40.160 Or producing

01:08:40.600 What we need

01:08:41.240 Carl

01:08:42.120 Is this the wake up call

01:08:43.880 Do we need to start

01:08:44.480 Thinking about our defence

01:08:45.440 In a much more radical way

01:08:46.880 Than perhaps we were

01:08:47.740 Even you know

01:08:48.380 Three four months ago

01:08:49.320 Well if it's not that

01:08:50.940 I'm not sure what will be

01:08:52.180 Yes fair

01:08:52.860 A wake up call

01:08:53.580 So yeah

01:08:54.920 But you know

01:08:55.920 As Tasha and Warren

01:08:56.940 Outline

01:08:57.500 We need to do better

01:08:59.680 In terms of how

01:09:00.420 We spend the money

01:09:01.100 Because throwing money

01:09:02.280 At a problem

01:09:02.840 Is easy

01:09:03.420 It doesn't mean

01:09:04.200 That it will be effective

01:09:05.200 And we've seen it

01:09:06.480 Time and time again

01:09:07.200 I mean

01:09:07.540 Just the

01:09:08.340 The frigate

01:09:10.320 Replacement program

01:09:11.200 Is a disaster

01:09:11.960 And it goes on

01:09:14.000 And on

01:09:14.260 And on

01:09:14.680 And meanwhile

01:09:15.500 We have our military

01:09:17.040 When deployed abroad

01:09:18.020 Who have to go

01:09:18.760 On the black market

01:09:19.520 To buy equipment

01:09:20.760 That they need

01:09:21.500 Because they are

01:09:22.180 Years behind

01:09:23.780 The other soldiers

01:09:25.380 They are encountering

01:09:26.680 And so

01:09:27.400 It's a bad situation

01:09:30.320 We're not ready

01:09:31.120 If there was something

01:09:32.560 That we really needed

01:09:33.760 To get involved in

01:09:34.620 We're not ready

01:09:35.400 So we need to get ready

01:09:36.640 And we need to

01:09:37.380 You know

01:09:38.120 Certainly get faster

01:09:40.240 At enrolling people

01:09:41.200 If they want to join

01:09:42.120 I mean

01:09:42.420 There's so few now

01:09:43.400 That want to join

01:09:44.280 And when you hear

01:09:45.740 That it takes a year

01:09:46.640 To join the reserve

01:09:47.480 Like a year

01:09:48.320 It's not serious

01:09:50.380 Yeah just to think

01:09:52.340 You know

01:09:52.540 Somebody takes that time

01:09:53.640 And says

01:09:53.920 Hey I'm willing to sign up

01:09:54.880 To fight for my country

01:09:55.760 Yeah just wait 13 months

01:09:56.980 We'll get back to you

01:09:57.880 Or something like that

01:09:58.580 Yeah it's hard

01:09:59.300 To kind of fathom here

01:10:00.160 Defense spending

01:10:01.780 A little bit a part

01:10:03.160 Of the liberal leadership debate

01:10:04.380 We saw this week

01:10:05.060 Changing gears a little bit here

01:10:06.380 Because we are

01:10:07.540 Getting set to name

01:10:09.040 A new prime minister

01:10:09.880 Before an election happens

01:10:11.000 Here very soon too

01:10:12.080 I guess

01:10:13.420 I'll start with you Carl

01:10:14.420 In a sense of

01:10:15.000 Was there a winner

01:10:16.180 I thought it was

01:10:16.820 A very friendly debate

01:10:17.980 You know what I mean

01:10:18.640 Everybody was very happy

01:10:19.640 With each other

01:10:20.180 But was there a winner

01:10:21.640 In that debate

01:10:22.140 Or did everybody

01:10:22.660 Just kind of hold on

01:10:23.540 To their spot

01:10:24.180 I mean if everybody

01:10:26.020 Holds on to their spot

01:10:26.960 That means the winner

01:10:27.700 Is Mark Carney

01:10:28.480 Because he's at

01:10:29.140 The number one spot

01:10:30.080 Yeah

01:10:30.460 And I think you're right

01:10:32.280 Like there was no

01:10:33.180 I mean there was not

01:10:33.940 A lot of attacks

01:10:34.520 There was a few more sparks

01:10:35.560 In English than in French

01:10:36.460 I think that has to do

01:10:37.180 With level of confidence

01:10:39.120 With the language

01:10:40.100 But frankly

01:10:41.660 Mark Carney

01:10:42.980 Is cruising to victory

01:10:44.660 And that these debates

01:10:45.740 Didn't change anything

01:10:46.640 Which you know

01:10:48.680 Is why the conservatives

01:10:50.100 Are turning their

01:10:50.960 Their guns

01:10:52.160 Towards Carney

01:10:53.180 Are throwing attacks

01:10:54.180 At him

01:10:54.600 Because it seems

01:10:56.520 Inelectable

01:10:57.060 That Mark Carney

01:10:57.840 Will become

01:10:58.580 The next Prime Minister

01:10:59.340 Of Canada

01:10:59.840 Well some of these

01:11:01.360 Yeah some of those ads

01:11:02.260 Do have the ring

01:11:02.820 Of he didn't come back

01:11:03.580 For you

01:11:03.880 Like they're kind of

01:11:04.460 The same thing

01:11:05.000 Bad for Canada

01:11:05.780 But it's all part

01:11:07.220 Of the process

01:11:08.220 I suppose

01:11:08.880 Tasha

01:11:09.660 Did you notice

01:11:11.200 A winner

01:11:11.660 To Carl's point

01:11:12.400 I suppose

01:11:12.820 If nobody was

01:11:13.620 A huge winner

01:11:14.200 It seems like

01:11:14.700 The front runner

01:11:15.140 Mark Carney

01:11:15.620 Really kind of

01:11:16.180 Comes out on top

01:11:16.920 In terms of

01:11:17.660 A default mode

01:11:18.540 Yeah I think

01:11:20.160 Actually

01:11:20.520 Mark Carney was a winner

01:11:21.300 I think also

01:11:21.780 The Liberal Party

01:11:22.480 Because what it was

01:11:23.740 Was not

01:11:24.380 You know

01:11:25.060 The attacks

01:11:25.580 The attempts

01:11:26.620 At attacks

01:11:27.080 By Karina Gould

01:11:27.840 Was as far

01:11:28.360 As it went

01:11:28.860 And it was more

01:11:29.820 To you know

01:11:30.620 Flesh out

01:11:31.300 Some points

01:11:31.940 Of division

01:11:32.980 If you would

01:11:33.560 Call them that

01:11:34.180 To have some

01:11:34.700 Bit of a debate

01:11:35.780 But essentially

01:11:37.100 The Liberals

01:11:37.740 Are smelling

01:11:38.320 The possibility

01:11:39.080 Of victory

01:11:39.960 They are

01:11:40.620 Looking at the polls

01:11:41.700 And saying

01:11:42.120 Huh

01:11:42.500 This is

01:11:43.380 This is a chance

01:11:44.520 And we're not

01:11:45.220 Going to blow it

01:11:45.820 By tearing ourselves

01:11:46.720 Apart

01:11:47.140 Like the Conservatives

01:11:48.060 Did in the 2022

01:11:48.760 Leadership race

01:11:49.760 They

01:11:50.740 It was

01:11:51.140 I mean

01:11:51.380 That was a vicious race 0.99

01:11:52.400 That was not

01:11:53.320 Happening here

01:11:53.800 Because everyone

01:11:54.480 Is rowing

01:11:55.460 From us

01:11:55.780 In the same

01:11:56.220 Direction

01:11:56.620 And going

01:11:56.920 Okay

01:11:57.420 Let's get on board

01:11:58.800 And let's

01:11:59.340 Let's win

01:11:59.900 Let's look like

01:12:00.840 We are a team

01:12:01.660 Of people

01:12:02.220 Who competently

01:12:03.120 Run the country

01:12:03.780 And I think

01:12:04.240 That is

01:12:04.660 One of the things

01:12:05.880 The Liberals

01:12:06.240 Have to

01:12:06.860 To do

01:12:07.780 Because it's

01:12:08.260 Not just

01:12:08.800 Carney

01:12:09.220 You know

01:12:10.240 Carney

01:12:10.680 Is not a

01:12:11.200 Politician

01:12:11.680 Carney

01:12:12.040 Has not

01:12:12.460 Been there

01:12:12.860 Which is

01:12:13.140 An advantage

01:12:13.660 For him

01:12:14.060 That he's

01:12:14.400 Not been

01:12:14.760 Part of

01:12:15.040 This group

01:12:15.400 But they

01:12:16.020 Need to

01:12:16.300 Have heavy

01:12:16.700 Hitters

01:12:17.000 They need

01:12:17.340 To have

01:12:17.560 A team

01:12:18.100 To say

01:12:18.540 This is

01:12:19.300 Who we've

01:12:19.840 Got

01:12:20.120 Hey

01:12:20.460 Conservatives

01:12:21.100 Who've

01:12:21.780 You got

01:12:22.240 You know

01:12:23.340 I think

01:12:24.160 That's what

01:12:24.840 Came through

01:12:25.180 To me

01:12:25.480 In the debate

01:12:26.000 And you

01:12:27.860 Know

01:12:27.980 We'll see

01:12:28.540 What happens

01:12:28.980 In the week

01:12:29.440 After

01:12:29.880 I expect

01:12:30.400 An election

01:12:30.860 To be called

01:12:31.280 In the week

01:12:31.600 After

01:12:31.920 At some point

01:12:32.580 That he's

01:12:33.860 Named Prime

01:12:34.260 Minister

01:12:34.520 And Warren

01:12:35.740 Did you have

01:12:36.440 Any big

01:12:36.780 Takeaways

01:12:37.240 From the

01:12:37.760 Debates

01:12:38.780 At all

01:12:39.080 In terms

01:12:39.420 Of anything

01:12:40.060 That stuck

01:12:40.480 Out to

01:12:40.760 You

01:12:40.900 It seemed

01:12:41.680 Like I

01:12:41.940 Said

01:12:42.060 There wasn't

01:12:42.340 A lot

01:12:42.620 Of attacks

01:12:43.100 It was

01:12:43.520 Kind of

01:12:43.800 A friendly

01:12:44.400 Debate

01:12:44.840 But did

01:12:45.260 You have

01:12:45.460 Any big

01:12:45.720 Takeaways

01:12:46.080 Yeah

01:12:47.180 Mark Carney

01:12:47.920 Lost both

01:12:48.540 Debates

01:12:49.040 He was

01:12:49.960 Not good

01:12:51.320 He was

01:12:52.180 I encourage

01:12:53.020 Everybody

01:12:53.460 To read

01:12:53.760 Tasha's

01:12:54.380 Column

01:12:55.240 His French

01:12:56.480 Was not

01:12:57.020 Up to

01:12:57.400 Snuff

01:12:57.840 And in

01:12:58.680 English

01:12:59.020 He told

01:12:59.640 Fibs

01:13:00.260 And was

01:13:01.620 Not very

01:13:02.060 Effective

01:13:02.800 Like

01:13:03.340 You know

01:13:03.780 So when

01:13:04.100 I was

01:13:04.400 Watching

01:13:04.820 Him

01:13:05.160 I was

01:13:05.480 Like

01:13:05.760 Holy cow

01:13:07.300 Pierre

01:13:08.100 Palliev

01:13:08.520 Is going

01:13:08.920 To make

01:13:09.420 Mincemeat

01:13:10.340 Of you

01:13:10.860 In a

01:13:11.320 Debate

01:13:11.740 And so

01:13:12.160 Is Blanchet

01:13:12.900 Like he

01:13:14.220 Just

01:13:14.580 You know

01:13:15.320 We all

01:13:15.660 Knew he

01:13:15.960 Wasn't a

01:13:16.420 Politician

01:13:17.100 Maybe that

01:13:17.780 Was an

01:13:18.100 Asset

01:13:18.520 But it

01:13:19.200 Sure

01:13:19.420 Isn't an

01:13:19.880 Asset

01:13:20.280 In debate

01:13:20.840 And you

01:13:21.660 Could just

01:13:22.060 See that

01:13:22.780 He

01:13:23.240 It was

01:13:23.960 Not

01:13:24.320 His

01:13:24.840 Milieu

01:13:25.360 It was

01:13:25.800 Not

01:13:26.160 Something

01:13:26.900 He was

01:13:27.340 Comfortable

01:13:27.740 With

01:13:28.160 And you

01:13:29.180 Know

01:13:29.300 The

01:13:29.620 Thing that

01:13:30.640 I think

01:13:30.920 Would be

01:13:31.200 Worrisome

01:13:31.740 To liberals

01:13:32.260 Long term

01:13:32.960 Is the

01:13:33.740 Person

01:13:34.000 Who was

01:13:34.240 Most

01:13:34.460 Effective

01:13:34.900 In the

01:13:35.100 Debates

01:13:35.660 Was

01:13:36.120 Katrina

01:13:36.520 Gould

01:13:37.020 Like she

01:13:37.920 Was best

01:13:38.560 In both

01:13:39.360 Debates

01:13:39.900 Bayless

01:13:40.360 Was excellent

01:13:40.920 In French

01:13:41.520 But nobody

01:13:42.420 Knows who

01:13:42.920 He is

01:13:43.480 Freeland

01:13:44.320 Was probably

01:13:44.900 A little bit

01:13:45.320 Better in

01:13:45.720 French than

01:13:46.140 She was

01:13:46.480 In English

01:13:47.020 But Carney

01:13:47.980 But Carney

01:13:48.000 Came forth

01:13:48.740 Both

01:13:49.080 Nights

01:13:49.500 And when

01:13:50.580 That guy

01:13:50.940 Is your

01:13:51.160 Frontrunner

01:13:51.700 That's a

01:13:52.200 Problem

01:13:52.480 Well I

01:13:53.220 Wanted to

01:13:53.500 Mention that

01:13:53.860 To just

01:13:54.260 Follow up

01:13:55.160 Warren

01:13:56.180 Just on

01:13:56.680 That

01:13:56.900 Carney

01:13:57.740 Had a bit

01:13:58.140 Of a

01:13:58.360 Myoculpa

01:13:58.780 Later on

01:13:59.240 He

01:13:59.400 Apologized

01:14:00.080 Because you

01:14:00.320 Mentioned some

01:14:00.660 Of those

01:14:00.880 Fibs

01:14:02.180 There

01:14:03.060 But just

01:14:03.920 Talking about

01:14:04.320 Brookfield

01:14:04.740 And his

01:14:05.320 Role in

01:14:05.860 Moving

01:14:06.220 Jobs to

01:14:06.740 Canada

01:14:07.040 Kind of

01:14:07.720 Sidestepped

01:14:08.140 The question

01:14:08.600 You could

01:14:09.800 Argue that

01:14:10.360 He lied

01:14:10.740 About it

01:14:11.120 But is

01:14:12.580 That going

01:14:12.840 To hurt

01:14:13.160 Him in

01:14:13.560 The long

01:14:13.860 Run

01:14:14.060 Or is

01:14:14.760 This kind

01:14:15.100 Of just

01:14:15.360 Liberal

01:14:15.760 Voters

01:14:16.080 That are

01:14:16.260 Paying

01:14:16.420 Attention

01:14:16.660 Right now

01:14:17.060 Well I

01:14:18.000 Checked

01:14:18.280 Into it

01:14:18.600 I was

01:14:18.780 Skeptical

01:14:19.220 At first

01:14:19.780 Some of

01:14:20.520 My colleagues

01:14:21.000 At Post

01:14:21.440 Media

01:14:21.720 Were more

01:14:22.160 Excited

01:14:22.580 About it

01:14:23.040 And I

01:14:23.260 Looked at

01:14:23.580 Him

01:14:23.760 And it's

01:14:23.900 Like yeah

01:14:24.400 You know

01:14:25.000 He

01:14:25.480 He did

01:14:26.780 Lie

01:14:27.120 He did

01:14:27.760 He clearly

01:14:28.580 Was involved

01:14:29.240 In the

01:14:29.580 Decision to

01:14:30.240 Move

01:14:30.480 Brookfield's

01:14:31.140 Headquarters

01:14:31.660 From Toronto

01:14:32.820 To New York

01:14:33.580 And he

01:14:34.280 Didn't tell

01:14:34.640 The truth

01:14:34.960 About that

01:14:35.400 And

01:14:36.240 Is that a

01:14:37.820 Problem

01:14:38.100 With your

01:14:38.480 Average

01:14:38.780 Voter

01:14:39.120 It would

01:14:40.560 Be in

01:14:40.860 Normal

01:14:41.140 Circumstances

01:14:42.120 But we're

01:14:42.680 In the

01:14:42.960 Donald Trump

01:14:43.640 Era where

01:14:44.680 Extraordinary

01:14:45.260 Things are

01:14:45.740 Happening

01:14:46.200 And everything

01:14:46.700 Else pales

01:14:47.540 Into

01:14:48.000 Insignificance

01:14:49.460 Everything

01:14:50.180 Else just

01:14:50.780 Isn't as

01:14:51.260 Important

01:14:51.780 Anymore

01:14:52.280 You know

01:14:52.540 Where'd

01:14:52.820 The carbon

01:14:53.220 Tax go

01:14:53.920 Like that's

01:14:54.740 That's gone

01:14:55.380 Like a whole

01:14:56.280 Bunch of other

01:14:56.800 Issues are gone

01:14:57.480 As well

01:14:58.000 So he's

01:14:58.900 Probably going

01:14:59.680 To get away

01:15:00.200 With it

01:15:00.640 And you

01:15:01.420 Know

01:15:01.540 Nano

01:15:01.880 CTV's

01:15:02.840 Pollster

01:15:03.740 Reported

01:15:04.460 Yesterday

01:15:05.020 The parties

01:15:06.220 Are tied

01:15:06.780 Effectively

01:15:07.640 So

01:15:08.120 Whatever

01:15:09.280 The liberals

01:15:09.720 Are doing

01:15:10.200 Whether

01:15:10.500 Carney's

01:15:11.040 Ready for

01:15:11.420 The big

01:15:11.720 Show

01:15:11.940 Or not

01:15:12.360 They're

01:15:13.180 Doing quite

01:15:14.040 Well

01:15:14.340 And Tasha

01:15:15.460 Just to put

01:15:15.860 A fine

01:15:16.120 Point on

01:15:16.440 This

01:15:16.560 Do you

01:15:16.980 Think that

01:15:17.320 Specific

01:15:17.700 Issue

01:15:17.960 Is going

01:15:18.260 To hurt

01:15:18.540 Carney

01:15:18.820 Down the

01:15:19.160 Line

01:15:19.420 Or like

01:15:20.120 Warren

01:15:20.440 Says 0.93

01:15:20.680 Are we

01:15:20.840 Kind of

01:15:21.040 Caught in

01:15:21.360 This chaos

01:15:21.780 Right now

01:15:22.180 That maybe

01:15:22.580 It won't

01:15:22.900 Hit as

01:15:23.200 Hard as

01:15:23.540 Perhaps

01:15:23.880 It could

01:15:24.180 Have

01:15:24.400 I'm

01:15:26.140 I'm

01:15:26.400 I'm

01:15:26.560 I'm

01:15:26.580 Not sure

01:15:27.020 It was

01:15:27.900 A mistake

01:15:28.420 It was

01:15:28.760 Definitely

01:15:29.060 He

01:15:29.300 Screwed

01:15:29.860 Up

01:15:30.060 And

01:15:30.620 It was

01:15:31.540 It showed

01:15:32.240 His

01:15:32.520 Political

01:15:33.320 Naivete

01:15:34.080 The way

01:15:34.580 He handled

01:15:34.900 That question

01:15:35.400 There were

01:15:36.280 Lots of

01:15:36.540 Ways to

01:15:36.800 Handle

01:15:36.960 That question

01:15:37.420 Including

01:15:37.860 You know

01:15:38.900 Yeah

01:15:39.260 I

01:15:39.600 I

01:15:39.980 Okayed

01:15:40.460 It

01:15:40.620 Times

01:15:40.980 Are

01:15:41.120 Different

01:15:41.320 Now

01:15:41.660 Because

01:15:42.120 Now

01:15:42.820 We're

01:15:43.000 Facing

01:15:43.360 The U.S.

01:15:43.880 As a

01:15:44.100 Threat

01:15:44.400 And so

01:15:44.940 On

01:15:45.140 Because

01:15:45.480 That was

01:15:45.840 The subtext

01:15:46.320 Of the

01:15:46.500 Question

01:15:46.840 In

01:15:47.320 Normal

01:15:47.620 Times

01:15:47.960 It

01:15:48.140 Wouldn't

01:15:48.320 Actually

01:15:48.580 Have

01:15:48.700 Been

01:15:48.800 That

01:15:48.940 Much

01:15:49.140 Of

01:15:49.220 An

01:15:49.300 Issue

01:15:49.560 Because

01:15:49.860 In

01:15:50.020 Normal

01:15:50.240 Times

01:15:50.580 The U.S.

01:15:51.680 You know

01:15:51.860 We weren't

01:15:52.080 Booing the U.S.

01:15:52.820 National Anthem

01:15:53.420 At every

01:15:53.780 Other event

01:15:54.300 Like

01:15:54.840 Right now

01:15:56.080 Anything

01:15:56.580 That

01:15:56.940 Appears

01:15:57.940 To show

01:15:58.300 You

01:15:58.440 Is 0.88

01:15:58.560 Not

01:15:58.780 A

01:15:58.880 Canadian

01:15:59.260 Patriot

01:16:00.140 Is 0.88

01:16:00.980 Bad

01:16:01.220 For

01:16:01.380 You

01:16:01.560 So

01:16:02.000 This

01:16:02.200 Shows

01:16:02.800 That

01:16:03.060 It's

01:16:03.220 Like

01:16:03.320 Oh

01:16:03.460 You

01:16:03.580 Preferred

01:16:04.060 The U.S.

01:16:04.540 To

01:16:04.640 Us

01:16:04.900 But

01:16:05.920 The

01:16:06.120 Decision

01:16:06.580 Was

01:16:06.720 Made

01:16:06.860 In

01:16:06.920 A

01:16:06.980 Different

01:16:07.180 Times

01:16:07.520 So

01:16:07.680 He

01:16:07.800 Should

01:16:07.960 Have

01:16:08.080 Had

01:16:08.240 The

01:16:08.380 Savvy

01:16:08.740 And

01:16:08.900 His

01:16:09.060 People

01:16:09.340 Should

01:16:09.560 Have

01:16:09.680 Prepared

01:16:10.360 Him

01:16:10.600 For

01:16:10.760 This

01:16:11.040 Because

01:16:11.360 They

01:16:11.840 Know

01:16:12.080 His

01:16:12.320 Weaknesses

01:16:12.960 I

01:16:13.060 Mean

01:16:13.160 That's

01:16:13.400 What

01:16:13.520 You're

01:16:14.040 A

01:16:14.100 Candidate

01:16:14.580 They

01:16:15.640 Go

01:16:15.800 Through

01:16:16.000 All

01:16:16.160 Your

01:16:16.300 Background

01:16:16.720 What

01:16:17.240 What

01:16:17.260 Could

01:16:17.580 Hurt

01:16:17.800 You

01:16:17.920 What

01:16:18.100 Do

01:16:18.200 We

01:16:18.280 Have

01:16:18.400 To

01:16:30.980 Much

01:16:31.220 Because

01:16:31.440 Times

01:16:31.740 Are

01:16:31.860 Different

01:16:32.100 Because

01:16:32.360 Now

01:16:32.780 The

01:16:33.220 Ballot

01:16:33.460 Question

01:16:33.720 For

01:16:33.880 Quebecers 0.66

01:16:34.340 Isn't

01:16:34.580 How

01:16:34.780 Good

01:16:34.960 Your

01:16:35.100 French

01:16:35.460 It's

01:16:36.200 Who's

01:16:36.660 Going

01:16:36.760 To

01:16:36.860 Keep

01:16:37.240 The

01:16:37.540 Federation

01:16:37.980 Together

01:16:38.860 And

01:16:39.260 Away

01:16:39.520 From

01:16:39.780 The

01:16:41.480 U.S.

01:16:41.940 So

01:16:42.060 That

01:16:42.240 We

01:16:42.480 Don't

01:16:42.940 You

01:16:43.100 Know

01:16:43.280 Disappear

01:16:43.980 The

01:16:44.120 People

01:16:44.380 It's

01:16:45.120 Very

01:16:45.280 Existential

01:16:45.820 For

01:16:46.000 Quebec

01:16:46.220 51st

01:16:47.880 State

01:16:48.100 Does

01:16:48.240 Not

01:16:48.400 Work

01:16:48.580 For

01:16:48.740 Us

01:16:48.980 So

01:16:49.660 That's

01:16:50.300 The

01:16:50.380 Question

01:16:50.820 So

01:16:51.260 On

01:16:51.780 That

01:16:52.000 Score

01:16:52.360 He

01:16:52.800 Can

01:16:53.120 Skate

01:16:53.400 A bit

01:16:53.720 Even

01:16:54.020 Though

01:16:54.180 It's

01:16:54.320 French

01:16:54.640 Is 0.88

01:16:54.940 Definitely

01:16:55.560 Not

01:16:56.300 Great

01:16:56.540 And

01:16:57.440 Carl

01:16:57.700 Do

01:16:57.900 You

01:16:58.200 Think

01:16:58.380 This

01:16:58.540 Could

01:16:58.700 Hurt

01:16:58.860 Cardi

01:16:59.120 Down

01:16:59.280 The

01:16:59.380 Line

01:16:59.600 Or

01:16:59.780 Is 0.88

01:17:00.000 The

01:17:00.440 Chaos

01:17:01.180 The

01:17:01.400 Poll

01:17:01.640 Changing

01:17:02.140 It

01:17:02.860 Seems

01:17:03.080 Like

01:17:03.240 The

01:17:03.360 Political

01:17:03.580 Ground

01:17:03.840 Is 0.88

01:17:03.980 Shifting

01:17:04.200 Every

01:17:04.440 Day

01:17:04.620 Is 0.88

01:17:05.280 This

01:17:05.460 Going

01:17:05.600 To

01:17:05.660 Get

01:17:05.980 Lost

01:17:06.280 In

01:17:06.400 The

01:17:06.480 Mix

01:17:06.640 Do

01:17:06.780 You

01:17:06.800 Think

01:17:07.020 Well

01:17:07.920 It's

01:17:08.180 Being

01:17:08.340 Lost

01:17:08.600 Right

01:17:08.860 Now

01:17:09.160 Which

01:17:09.440 Which

01:17:09.780 I

01:17:10.300 Think

01:17:10.660 Is 0.88

01:17:11.020 Perhaps

01:17:11.740 A

01:17:11.920 Tactical

01:17:12.300 Mistake

01:17:12.740 From

01:17:12.900 The

01:17:13.020 Conservatives

01:17:13.580 To

01:17:13.860 Use

01:17:14.380 This

01:17:14.640 Right

01:17:14.920 Now

01:17:15.280 Maybe

01:17:15.980 A

01:17:16.140 Sense

01:17:16.320 Panic

01:17:16.760 Is 0.88

01:17:16.880 Setting

01:17:17.120 In

01:17:17.320 Because

01:17:17.520 Of

01:17:17.660 The

01:17:17.760 Shift

01:17:18.660 In

01:17:18.800 The

01:17:18.920 Polls

01:17:19.320 The

01:17:19.460 Way

01:17:19.640 That

01:17:20.300 The

01:17:20.520 Trends

01:17:21.020 Have

01:17:21.140 Reversed

01:17:21.760 So

01:17:22.340 They

01:17:22.520 Are

01:17:22.700 Trying

01:17:22.960 To

01:17:23.100 Bring

01:17:23.280 Him 0.92

01:17:23.400 Down

01:17:23.740 But

01:17:24.200 There's

01:17:25.380 So

01:17:25.580 Much

01:17:25.780 Going

01:17:26.100 On

01:17:26.440 There's

01:17:26.700 A lot

01:17:26.940 Of

01:17:27.080 Noise

01:17:27.460 And

01:17:27.740 So

01:17:27.960 This

01:17:28.500 Is 0.88

01:17:29.380 A bit

01:17:29.600 Of

01:17:29.700 A drop

01:17:29.980 In

01:17:30.320 A bucket

01:17:30.700 I

01:17:31.500 Think

01:17:31.800 It's

01:17:31.960 A bit

01:17:32.320 Of

01:17:32.440 A liability

01:17:32.880 For

01:17:33.140 Mark

01:17:33.380 Kearney

01:17:33.720 But

01:17:33.900 The

01:17:34.080 Timing

01:17:34.580 Makes

01:17:35.520 It

01:17:35.680 All

01:17:35.920 News

01:17:36.240 By

01:17:36.440 The

01:17:36.560 Time

01:17:36.740 It

01:17:36.860 Will

01:17:37.000 Matter

01:17:37.240 To

01:17:37.440 Voters

01:17:37.840 Because

01:17:38.760 There

01:17:38.980 Is 0.88

01:17:39.080 A

01:17:39.200 Case

01:17:39.400 To

01:17:39.520 Be

01:17:39.640 Built

01:17:39.940 About

01:17:40.220 This

01:17:40.440 Decision

01:17:40.840 I

01:17:41.000 Mean

01:17:41.080 The

01:17:41.220 Threats

01:17:41.480 Of

01:17:41.580 Tariffs

01:17:42.000 And

01:17:42.120 Everything

01:17:42.320 That

01:17:42.480 Was

01:17:42.600 Happening

01:17:42.960 It

01:17:43.320 Was

01:17:43.500 All

01:17:43.740 Ong 0.90

01:17:44.360 While

01:17:45.140 Mark

01:17:45.420 Kearney

01:17:45.680 Was

01:17:45.880 Not

01:17:46.900 Only

01:17:47.100 Involved

01:17:47.480 In

01:17:47.580 The

01:17:47.660 Decision

01:17:47.980 He

01:17:48.220 Was

01:17:48.380 Supportive

01:17:48.900 He

01:17:49.040 Was

01:17:49.180 Actively

01:17:49.640 Convincing

01:17:50.360 Shareholders

01:17:50.940 To

01:17:51.160 Vote

01:17:51.380 For

01:17:51.600 It

01:17:51.760 There's

01:17:52.820 A case

01:17:53.080 To

01:17:53.180 Be

01:17:53.300 Made

01:17:53.600 But

01:17:54.100 I

01:17:54.300 Think

01:17:54.560 The

01:17:54.720 Considers

01:17:55.120 Went

01:17:56.660 With

01:17:57.020 It

01:17:57.240 A little

01:17:57.520 Prematurely

01:17:58.240 Because

01:17:58.480 It

01:17:58.640 Won't

01:17:58.920 Change

01:17:59.240 The

01:17:59.460 Outcome

01:17:59.800 Of

01:17:59.960 The

01:18:00.080 Liberal

01:18:00.280 Leadership

01:18:00.580 Race

01:18:00.980 And

01:18:01.680 People

01:18:01.920 Are

01:18:02.100 Not

01:18:02.220 Really

01:18:02.440 Focused

01:18:02.900 On

01:18:03.180 These

01:18:04.200 Kind

01:18:04.400 Of

01:18:04.500 Issues

01:18:04.720 Right

01:18:04.960 Now

01:18:05.140 They're

01:18:05.360 Focused

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01:25:11.440 Welcome back to the Ben Mulroney Show.

01:25:21.400 Thank you so much for joining us.

01:25:23.140 It's that time of the week where we convene our This Week in Politics panel.

01:25:30.040 Our guests are slowly coming into the arena.

01:25:33.720 And so let's welcome to the show Adam Zivo, National Post columnist and executive director for the Center for Responsible Drug Policy.

01:25:40.960 Welcome, Adam.

01:25:42.540 Hey, thanks for having me on the show. It's great to be here.

01:25:44.400 We got Warren Kinsella, former special advisor to Jean Chrétien, CEO of the Daisy Group and most recent award winner at the B'nai B'rith Media Awards for his staunch work in support of Canadian values and in his fight against anti-Semitism.

01:25:58.720 Congratulations on the award and welcome back to the show.

01:26:01.580 Thanks, man. Thank you.

01:26:02.900 And let's say hi to Tom Parkin, principal at Impact Strategies and Canadian columnist and commentator.

01:26:07.640 Tom, great to have you back.

01:26:09.260 I'm glad to be here. Thanks.

01:26:10.360 All right. So let's start with the biggest story that we all, I'm sure, were watching last night.

01:26:15.620 Doug Ford's Progressive Conservative Party wins snap election in Ontario, securing his third majority win.

01:26:23.220 So let's start with the Doug Ford of it all.

01:26:25.100 Three straight majorities.

01:26:26.440 It's been 60 years since we've had a PC government, a PC party do that in Ontario.

01:26:33.000 Three straight majority mandates.

01:26:34.580 Let's start with you, Warren.

01:26:37.500 Why has Doug Ford been such a force?

01:26:42.460 Because he is fighting Donald Trump.

01:26:45.680 Well, you mean for this election, it would be the Trump thing.

01:26:48.260 Obviously, the ballot question was who is the best person to deal with Trump?

01:26:52.760 And Doug Ford is staked at that territory.

01:26:56.020 And nobody in Canada, let alone Ontario, comes close to him on that.

01:27:01.760 You know, even Merit Stiles this morning or last night saying she's going to work with the guy.

01:27:06.180 So, but why has he long-term been successful?

01:27:11.700 I think because he knows a third, as much as a third of his vote voted also for Justin Trudeau.

01:27:20.180 And he has not been a Mike Harris Conservative.

01:27:23.780 He has been a progressive Conservative, you know, in the true meaning, traditional meaning in that word.

01:27:28.980 And it's worked for him.

01:27:30.500 He's pulled it off.

01:27:31.880 And he's a different kind of guy than he was when he was a city councillor.

01:27:36.280 And people have been surprised by it during COVID and, you know, during crises like the current one.

01:27:41.940 And they like it.

01:27:43.000 Yeah.

01:27:43.200 They like the look.

01:27:44.000 And that's why they're supporting him.

01:27:45.360 Adam, last night during our global news coverage, I sort of was musing that it was quite a, quite a masterstroke to, he was looking for a reason for this election.

01:27:55.740 And then the Trump tariffs came in.

01:27:57.900 And so that was the reason that he gave for calling a snap election.

01:28:01.940 But it was quite masterful in picking it because if anybody wants to accomplish anything moving forward over the next few years, they've got to get through the Donald Trump issue.

01:28:13.340 All roads lead to Rome and all growth in Ontario.

01:28:17.320 All issues have to get resolved after the Trump tariffs get resolved.

01:28:21.900 And in that way, if he positioned himself as the guy to deal with Trump, then by default, he's also the guy who can deal with everything else.

01:28:31.300 So I would agree with that assessment.

01:28:33.240 And I think that his leadership in dealing with Trump over the past few months has been quite noticeable.

01:28:39.120 But I also want to build upon something that Warren said earlier.

01:28:42.940 So obviously Ford has governed as progressive conservative, but at the same time, he's been able to effectively blame the Trudeau liberals for certain problems which mostly fall under provincial jurisdiction.

01:28:54.580 And so interestingly enough, he's been able to court centrist voters in some ways while at the same time play towards the conservative base when needed to.

01:29:03.280 And, you know, my jam right now, of course, is crime and drugs.

01:29:06.620 And this is where this is seen quite powerfully, where we have, of course, an addiction problem, a crime problem.

01:29:13.640 And many of the solutions here are under provincial jurisdiction.

01:29:17.780 For example, supervised injection sites.

01:29:20.480 That's something which the province generally controls or safer supply.

01:29:23.540 And Ford has been able to effectively blame the federal liberals for these issues while basically doing nothing to solve this and has therefore been able to avoid a lot of flack here.

01:29:36.100 He's also been able to talk.

01:29:38.660 He's also been able to call attention away from his own mismanagement of the housing file.

01:29:46.040 And I think on the whole, that has been a key part of his success.

01:29:50.460 Tom, traditionally, when an election result is called, it's like tabula rasa, the fresh, fresh start for whoever's in power.

01:29:59.940 And I don't become cynical until the missteps and the lies accumulate on day one.

01:30:06.300 Very optimistic.

01:30:07.060 And what I saw last night in Doug Ford's acceptance speech and Marit Stiles' speech gave me hope that these two parties, representing the lion's share of all, representing the official opposition and the government, can work together.

01:30:23.760 They said all the right things yesterday, both of them.

01:30:26.480 They, in fact, they were echoes and mirrors of each other.

01:30:29.900 What did you think when you heard both of those speeches?

01:30:32.260 Yeah, I thought that Marit's speech was perfect.

01:30:37.720 It really was.

01:30:38.560 It accentuated the points where we need to stand together about Trump as Ontarians, as Canadians, but also said, you know, I'm disappointed with the result because I wanted to defeat him.

01:30:50.000 I'm going to hold him to account and I'm going to defeat him next time.

01:30:53.360 And that was exactly the message.

01:30:55.640 And she delivered it in her typically energetic and personable way.

01:31:01.480 So, you know, I think her best days are in front of her.

01:31:04.660 And this was her first this was her first time running as the leader in an election.

01:31:11.240 Yes.

01:31:11.780 And, you know, and I think I think we just I would I'd like to take a little bit of exception to the idea that this was all, you know, the Trump.

01:31:18.460 That is definitely the framing that the PCs wanted to get out there.

01:31:22.280 But if you look at federal polling, you'll see clearly that Trump's tariffs are very close to the top, if not the top.

01:31:30.580 But if you look at provincial polling, that's not true.

01:31:33.420 People understand it's primarily going to be the federal government that deals with Trump.

01:31:37.740 And if provincial governments deal with health care and education, they can do something about affordability and housing, those sort of things.

01:31:43.880 Those were the issues that were over and over.

01:31:47.960 And I used a fair bit of polling through my company on this in this campaign.

01:31:51.640 Those were the issues that people said when we when people were offered Trump's tariffs as an option to name as top priority.

01:31:59.300 It was well down the list. So the record of Doug Ford did not get effectively prosecuted by either Mart or Bonnie Crombie.

01:32:10.780 And that was because of the deflection onto Trump, partly, but also because, you know, they had their own challenges that they were trying to overcome.

01:32:22.780 Crombie not having a seat, having, you know, this terrible vote inefficiency problem, et cetera, et cetera.

01:32:27.920 And frankly, you know, Doug selected her to be the opponent and then, you know, turned her very negative with his advertising campaign, knowing that really she wasn't the primary threat, as we saw last night.

01:32:42.300 Adam, I want to look at the NDP and the liberals as two sides of the same coin or polar opposites, if you will.

01:32:49.120 On one side, you've got Marit Stiles gets 18 percent of the vote, becomes the leader of the opposition and Bonnie Crombie's liberals get 30 percent of the vote and just barely eke into official party status.

01:33:03.340 This to that that to me is such a telling tale of these two parties.

01:33:08.560 Well, I mean, so what this would suggest is that the Ontario NDP, their support is very concentrated in northern Ontario and in a few cities, and that works for them right now.

01:33:20.340 But that means it'll be very difficult for them to grow their seat count going forward because they're not competitive in many ridings across Ontario, whereas Bonnie Crombie.

01:33:29.380 Obviously, obviously, her inefficient vote has turned out very poorly for her right now.

01:33:34.380 But what that means is that she only needs to increase her overall vote share by a few percentage points to start seeing a large number of seats flip over. 1.00

01:33:43.140 Essentially, Doug Ford's control of the government right now is is fairly fragile in the same way that the federal level, you know, the Trudeau liberals had a fairly fragile mandate because they were operating on voter efficiency rather than having a commanding lead in the polls.

01:33:59.380 Obviously, obviously, in Ontario, with the forward government having a 10 percent lead, it's a slightly different situation.

01:34:05.700 But I think that right now the future looks quite good for Crombie so long she can continue banning the vote.

01:34:11.980 We have to remember that she grew the liberals vote share by 25 percent.

01:34:16.940 She went up from 24 percent to 30 percent.

01:34:19.440 And that's that's not that's something that shouldn't be discounted.

01:34:22.060 I think on the whole, they did quite well this election.

01:34:24.900 Yeah, they did.

01:34:26.960 And we're going to talk about whether or not they can look at the election result as a net positive or there are just too many negatives to say we did as well as we wanted to do.

01:34:37.020 So we're going to Warren, when we come back, I'm going to get your take on Bonnie Crombie on the state of the Liberal Party and where they go from here.

01:34:45.600 So much, much more with our political panel when we return, including including where in the world is Mark Carney.

01:34:54.920 That's next on The Ben Mulroney Show across the Chorus Radio Network.

01:34:58.180 Welcome back to The Ben Mulroney Show and welcome back our political panel, Adam Zivo, Tom Parkin and Warren Kinsella.

01:35:05.360 Warren, I want to give you 40 seconds to tie a bow on the fate of the Liberal Party.

01:35:10.720 Some good stuff came out of yesterday, some gains, but some some pretty embarrassing things or some some structural issues, you could call them three elections in a row where they finish in third place.

01:35:22.820 Where do they go from here?

01:35:23.960 Where does Bonnie go from here? 0.96

01:35:25.020 And then after that, I want you to talk about Mark Carney and the lie that didn't need to be told.

01:35:31.100 Well, I'm going to sound like a new Democrat here.

01:35:33.240 I say we need proportional representation.

01:35:36.320 But I mean, you know, the Ontario Liberals did get robbed.

01:35:40.800 You know, they got 30 percent of the vote and 13 seats.

01:35:44.360 The Ontario NDP got 18 percent of the vote and twice as many seats.

01:35:50.000 But Warren, the Liberals used to thrive in this system.

01:35:52.400 I know.

01:35:52.820 Well, because, you know, I ran all three in McGinty's war rooms.

01:35:56.600 We had to get above a certain threshold, as Adam was pointing out before the break.

01:36:01.000 And we didn't, you know, this time.

01:36:03.720 And so, you know, they need to they need to deal with that and figure out how to build.

01:36:10.080 But the problem they've got, the biggest problem is their leader did not win her seat in a part of the GTA where she had been easily reelected as mayor for a decade.

01:36:21.960 That's a problem.

01:36:23.320 Yeah.

01:36:24.000 And, you know, is it impossible to lead your party from outside the legislature?

01:36:28.560 No.

01:36:28.940 As you and I know, Barassa did it for a while.

01:36:32.200 John Tory did it for a while.

01:36:34.260 But it's just a bad look and it's not effective as a party.

01:36:38.320 And there's people within the party this morning saying, you know, should we let Bonnie Crumbie stick around?

01:36:43.940 So there'll probably be some leaks and ruminations about that in coming days.

01:36:47.660 In terms of Mark Carney.

01:36:49.880 I don't get it.

01:36:51.400 Don't fib.

01:36:52.420 Don't fib.

01:36:53.080 Don't make up your CV.

01:36:54.120 It's like, sorry, Mark, you were not, you know, the guy at Paul Martin's side when Paul Martin did what he did.

01:37:02.140 And by the way, it wasn't just Paul Martin.

01:37:03.840 It was Paul Martin and Jean Chrétien and the rest of the government.

01:37:07.440 So, you know, Carney alienated every single Chrétien person when he made that statement in the English debate.

01:37:12.840 But it was surprising.

01:37:14.620 You know, I thought a banker would be all these fastidious about the truth.

01:37:18.600 And that's his brand.

01:37:19.720 His brand is deliberate.

01:37:21.460 He says what he means and he means what he says.

01:37:23.940 So to turn around.

01:37:24.820 So I will not accept any justification that says I misspoke or I forgot.

01:37:30.080 Those don't fly with a guy like Mark Carney.

01:37:33.420 No.

01:37:33.840 And the memes are pretty funny.

01:37:35.440 When they're laughing at you, you know, you're in some trouble.

01:37:38.860 Adam, I want to come to you.

01:37:40.160 I want to come to you because, look, we've said before he's not being tested either by his competitors in this race

01:37:47.320 or by the national media.

01:37:50.300 As a matter of fact, there are people in the national media that are playing the role of his PR spin doctors right now.

01:37:57.420 And so now he's found himself in a real crisis.

01:38:00.180 Is he going to hide every time he has a bad moment?

01:38:02.440 Because he has gone to ground.

01:38:03.860 Obviously demonstrated poor judgment here and that this story could have turned out very differently.

01:38:12.480 So one thing I really want to emphasize is that, you know, Carney was not acting as a politician or a lobbyist for Canadian interests

01:38:19.000 when he agreed to move Brookfield Asset Management's headquarters to Manhattan.

01:38:24.620 You know, he was acting as the chair of the board.

01:38:26.500 And in that role, he had a fiduciary responsibility to the company, which, to clarify,

01:38:31.180 means that he was legally obligated to prioritize the company's interests over other considerations.

01:38:36.220 So I don't fault him for approving the relocation of the head office.

01:38:39.660 He was just faithfully following his obligations.

01:38:41.860 And he could have been honest about that.

01:38:43.780 But Tom, to that point, Adam, thank you so much for saying that.

01:38:47.120 But Tom, to that point, he gave himself his own out in the debate when he said that there were problems in the national economy

01:38:56.640 long before Donald Trump reared his tariff head.

01:38:59.920 And so he could have said, look, in my fiduciary duty, I had to go find greener pastures.

01:39:06.040 The pastures were not green in here in Canada.

01:39:08.080 However, when I become prime minister, I'm going to make sure that no company ever has to make that choice

01:39:12.880 because Canada is going to be where people are going to want to invest.

01:39:15.720 He didn't do that.

01:39:16.540 Instead of doing that, he lied.

01:39:18.760 He didn't do that.

01:39:19.740 Yeah, that's, I mean, Ben, that's the story.

01:39:23.220 But that is the story right there, Ben.

01:39:24.940 Yeah.

01:39:25.300 I can't say it any more clearly.

01:39:27.520 You know, if he wants to take advantage of the fact that, you know,

01:39:34.480 he's being a high-flying member of Canada's corporate elite and kind of, you know,

01:39:39.500 global central banker and all that kind of stuff, he's going to have to sort out how that plays.

01:39:46.240 And it sometimes doesn't play very well.

01:39:49.560 We see companies now, major companies in Canada, now retracting on diversity efforts

01:39:55.900 because they're under pressure from Trump.

01:39:57.720 So, you know, these are the realities of running a large business, law firm, et cetera, et cetera.

01:40:05.760 And so, yeah, he's going to get a handle on it.

01:40:07.920 He also needs to get a handle on, I think, you know, both the New Democrats and the Conservatives

01:40:12.040 should pound him on the fact that he's not going to disclose his assets until he becomes an MP.

01:40:18.460 He's going to become the prime minister.

01:40:19.920 That's a hell of a lot more important.

01:40:21.700 And he's going to use, I guess, a loophole.

01:40:24.180 We always assume that the prime minister would be an MP.

01:40:27.940 And so, therefore, the rules weren't built in a way to consider this possibility.

01:40:31.780 But it's crazy to think that somebody who was earning a million dollars a year or more,

01:40:36.140 and that's obviously a wealthy guy and knows a lot of corporate insider,

01:40:40.740 that he's going to be excluded from the rules about telling Canadians what he's invested in

01:40:46.140 and whether, you know, his advancement for his policy ideas as prime minister are advantaging him

01:40:53.760 or advantaging his friends.

01:40:55.520 That's, this isn't, you know, what does he think is going to happen here?

01:41:00.540 Yeah, no, I, and, but the fact that he thinks he's comfortable enough in his position

01:41:04.440 that he doesn't have to answer for this, I think, speaks volumes about the system he's running in right now.

01:41:10.880 I wanted, I only have a couple of minutes left.

01:41:12.780 I really want to focus on a UK prime minister, Keir Starmer.

01:41:16.440 He didn't defend Canada when he had an opportunity when he was in front of, with Donald Trump.

01:41:22.060 And he was in an interview with Brett Baer and was asked,

01:41:25.540 he was asked for an opportunity to do it again there.

01:41:27.860 He didn't. Let's listen to Keir Starmer and how he views Canada.

01:41:31.760 We had a really good discussion, a productive discussion, a good discussion,

01:41:35.860 as a result of which our teams are now going to be working together on an economic deal.

01:41:40.380 Our team is going to be working together on security in Ukraine.

01:41:44.440 You mentioned Canada.

01:41:45.760 I think you're trying to find a divide between us that doesn't exist.

01:41:50.080 We're the closest of nations.

01:41:51.760 And we had very good discussions today, but we didn't discuss Canada.

01:41:55.720 Thank you.

01:41:56.720 Yeah, I don't know whether, I don't know what to make of this.

01:41:59.920 I'm going to give each of you about 40 seconds.

01:42:01.960 Adam, does this speak to Keir Starmer being a weakling,

01:42:05.740 or does this speak to Canada's reduced, weak position in the world?

01:42:10.300 I think it's the latter.

01:42:11.460 So Canada and Russia have similarly sized economy,

01:42:13.960 yet at the same time, Russia has been able to exert massive influence throughout the globe

01:42:17.840 by fostering a dependency on its resources.

01:42:21.100 Canada could have done the same, but we chose not to.

01:42:23.260 We chose not to develop our LNG.

01:42:24.660 And as a result, the UK does not import any LNG from us,

01:42:27.920 but it gets 20% of its gas from the United States via LNG.

01:42:31.640 We could have had an advantage here.

01:42:33.120 We could have had negotiating power.

01:42:34.300 We could have had leverage.

01:42:35.120 We didn't. 0.97

01:42:35.580 Tom, I understand when Donald Trump says dumb stuff about Canada, 0.96

01:42:39.600 Americans don't think about Canada. 0.91

01:42:41.360 There is a historical, there's institutional,

01:42:43.420 there's monarchical relations and parallels between Canada and the United States.

01:42:48.060 There is an element of me that is disappointed that a Brit doesn't get it.

01:42:52.380 Yeah, I felt that that was a total stab in the back by Keir Starmer,

01:42:57.020 a Labour prime minister who should understand the value of democracy

01:43:00.860 and would be standing first and foremost on that principle

01:43:04.460 and not trying to, you know, trying to sort of, you know,

01:43:08.540 it's almost as if Mr. Starmer wants to be the favoured child of Donald Trump

01:43:13.760 in order to try and avoid his wrath.

01:43:16.660 And I think we, as the neighbours who have dealt with him a little bit now,

01:43:20.760 know that that strategy doesn't work because he's going to,

01:43:24.400 Starmer wants to sign a free trade deal with Trump.

01:43:27.260 Well, we did that too.

01:43:29.040 And what's going to happen? 0.99

01:43:31.160 So Mr. Starmer, I think, is being a fool and I think he betrayed us 0.98

01:43:35.040 and I'm extremely disappointed in the guy. 0.98

01:43:36.960 Yeah, and Warren, I'm going to give you about 40 seconds,

01:43:38.900 but I don't think Keir Starmer owes Canada anything,

01:43:41.780 but I think as the leader of the United Kingdom,

01:43:46.440 member of the Commonwealth, member of the G7, member of NATO,

01:43:50.300 you know, a recipient of Canadian military might in two wars

01:43:54.460 to the benefit of that island nation,

01:43:56.740 I think we probably did deserve a little more.

01:43:59.220 I disagree. He does owe us something.

01:44:02.040 And Tom is right. 0.98

01:44:03.500 Like, Keir Starmer can go to hell.

01:44:05.180 And for the same reason that the country is saying

01:44:07.820 Wayne Gretzky and Bobby Orr can go to hell

01:44:10.060 and 350,000 people want Elon Musk to lose his Canadian citizenship.

01:44:15.160 Like, Donald Trump is the litmus test.

01:44:18.200 Everybody is being measured these days.

01:44:20.420 And if you do not stand for Canada,

01:44:22.800 if you're not an ally, if you're not a friend,

01:44:24.740 like I'm hearing from Canadians guys right and left who are pissed off

01:44:29.980 and they're fed up with people not standing up and defending us

01:44:34.180 and allying themselves with us. 0.99

01:44:36.800 So Keir Starmer, he can go to hell. 0.98

01:44:38.560 All right, Adam Zito, Tom Park and Warren Kinsella, 0.94

01:44:41.640 thank you for a really great panel.

01:44:43.560 When I say I'm in love, you best believe I'm in love, L-U-V. 1.00

01:44:46.520 I always saw you just before the dawn

01:45:04.180 When all the other kids had just dragged it along

01:45:07.600 I couldn't believe the way it seemed to be

01:45:10.960 Remembering the things that you just said to me

01:45:14.260 I'm bad, you know I can't be wasting time

01:45:16.440 Cause I got to have my fun

01:45:18.880 I gotta get some fun

01:45:21.280 I gotta keep on moving

01:45:23.100 Can't stop them, it's all done

01:45:25.740 Ain't never done

01:45:28.100 We're missing when I tell you you got no time for fits

01:45:31.380 Cause I just got to make and get forward to this

01:45:34.840 And there's one reason

01:45:36.640 I'm telling you this

01:45:38.140 I feels bad

01:45:39.640 And I'm looking for a kiss

01:45:42.960 Well, won't you tell me why those kids are moving so slow

01:45:48.720 Is it that they just don't have a place to go

01:45:51.880 When the day starts breaking

01:45:53.760 The sun is gonna shine

01:45:55.700 It's hard to sleep

01:45:57.200 If I've been trying

01:45:58.880 And all the old ladies 1.00

01:46:00.580 They were on their way to church

01:46:03.300 You go to church

01:46:05.160 I'm begging will I be alone

01:46:07.200 And while I look and got to go to

01:46:09.000 I search

01:46:10.120 I keep on searching 0.99

01:46:12.080 When the shit went until you got no time for fits 0.99

01:46:15.600 Cause I just got to make and get forward to this 0.99

01:46:19.020 If there's one reason

01:46:20.920 I'm telling you this

01:46:22.320 I feel bad

01:46:23.580 Bad

01:46:24.300 Bad

01:46:25.120 And I'm looking for a kiss

01:46:27.080 Well, I'm looking for a real hot kiss

01:46:32.160 Come on, kiss me

01:46:34.040 You think it's bad

01:46:48.220 But you know it's true

01:46:49.740 So why won't you just look at you here, baby

01:46:53.300 When I'm looking for a kiss

01:46:56.040 When everyone's going to your house

01:47:00.400 They'll shoot up in your room

01:47:01.800 Most of them are beautiful

01:47:03.580 But so obsessed with glue

01:47:05.280 I ain't gonna be here

01:47:07.120 When they all get home

01:47:08.520 They're always looking at me

01:47:10.300 They won't leave me alone

01:47:11.980 I didn't come here

01:47:13.880 Looking for no six

01:47:16.560 I-I-I know

01:47:18.360 I've been having a streak

01:47:20.160 On that long way, baby

01:47:22.160 Just looking for a kiss

01:47:24.960 I need a fixing of chips

01:47:28.420 I need a fixing of chips

01:47:31.940 I need a fixing of chips

01:47:35.340 I've been looking for a kiss

01:47:38.540 I didn't come here

01:47:42.540 Looking for no six

01:47:45.440 I-I know

01:47:47.140 I've been holding food

01:47:49.060 On that long, baby

01:47:51.120 Just looking for a kiss

01:47:53.460 I-I know

01:47:54.300 I'ming you

01:47:55.920 I-I know

01:47:56.360 I'm not going here

01:47:56.920 What a kiss 0.83

01:47:57.620 I-I know

01:47:58.200 I'm not looking for a kiss

01:47:58.640 I put a kiss

01:47:58.920 I'm not going here

01:47:59.940 I'm going here

01:48:01.780 I quannd umore

kinsellacast - March 02, 2025

KINSELLACAST 351： Teneycke on the political week plus Lilley, Kheiriddin, Belanger, Mraz, Mulroney, Zivo and the New York Dolls

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