kinsellacast - KINSELLACAST 353： Brazeau challenges Trump! Plus pugilists Kheiriddin, Belanger, Lilley, Mraz, Mulroney - and lots of Elephant 6 lo-fi goodness!

00:00:00.000 It's the Kinsella Cast, starring Warren Kinsella.

00:00:15.500 Hey, it's Warren. Welcome to Kinsella Cast.

00:00:17.960 And I don't know if you've noticed, but there's a lot of stuff going on in politics these days.

00:00:23.220 So we're going to talk about politics this week. Crazy, I know.

00:00:27.160 And we're going to do that with Brian Lilly, of course, and John Graz, Tash Keridan, Karl Blanger, and Ben Maroney as well.

00:00:36.800 But also a new voice, Senator Patrick Bressel, who famously, over a decade ago, challenged Justin Trudeau.

00:00:46.940 Maybe Trudeau challenged him, I can't remember, but anyway, they had a boxing match for charity.

00:00:51.540 And it was a big deal, and it helped launch Justin Trudeau's political career.

00:00:58.860 And just a few days ago, Bressel challenged Donald Trump Jr. to a boxing match.

00:01:05.980 And, like, we would really support that, all of Canada. 0.99

00:01:09.820 We would like to see Senator Bressel kick the living shit out of Donald Trump Jr. 0.99

00:01:15.060 I don't know if it's going to happen, but we're going to talk about that with him on this week's show. 0.99

00:01:21.400 And so, great stuff.

00:01:23.120 Elephant Six.

00:01:24.100 Elephant Six Collective, it's a record company.

00:01:27.540 They had Apples and Stereo on it, and Neutral Milk Hotel, and Of Montreal, and kind of lo-fi, experimental stuff.

00:01:36.700 And I've got a ton of Elephant Six Collective people on this week.

00:01:41.680 So, Apples and Stereo, who've been around since 1991.

00:01:44.800 God, I can't believe how old I am.

00:01:47.080 They were called the Beatles and the Beach Boys, but kind of lo-fi.

00:01:51.220 They're a hit from 1999, Ruby.

00:01:54.400 And then I've got other members of their circle, the Elephant Six Circle. 0.93

00:01:59.560 So, I've got Dressie Bessie. 0.86

00:02:02.200 She is Tammy Elam.

00:02:04.240 She's from Denver.

00:02:05.560 We've got her song, If You Should Try to Kiss Her.

00:02:10.160 And so, John Hill from Apples and Stereo plays guitar for her.

00:02:15.620 Then I've got Ladybug Transistor from Brooklyn, also with the Elephant Six Collective and Apples and Stereo Circle.

00:02:26.240 And then the Essex Green from their third album, Cannibal Sea, got cardinal points.

00:02:33.700 Also members of the Elephant Six Collective.

00:02:37.180 Anyway, I figured, okay, I better find some bands that sound like them, but aren't part of the collective.

00:02:42.080 So, I've got Pale Sunday from Brazil from their 2005 debut LP.

00:02:49.480 And it's a really good tune.

00:02:52.400 And then I've got Surf Curse, who I love when I've played before.

00:02:55.700 And they're from Reno.

00:02:57.020 And one of their tunes from a few years ago.

00:03:00.320 So, lots of great music.

00:03:02.540 And Justin Trudeau.

00:03:05.040 He's gone.

00:03:05.980 And Mark Carney, the charisma-free zone, who takes showers in three-piece suits, is the selected Prime Minister.

00:03:15.640 And the polls suggest he could soon become the elected Prime Minister.

00:03:20.320 So, is Pierre Polyev toast?

00:03:22.560 Could he still win?

00:03:24.260 No, he's not toast.

00:03:26.360 Yes, he could still win.

00:03:28.600 Here are my top three reasons why I think Polyev could win.

00:03:32.340 And then after that, I'm going to give you my top three reasons why I think Carney could win.

00:03:36.660 So, the first one for Polyev is he's got more money than God.

00:03:39.280 Like, in 2024, his Conservatives raised about $42 million.

00:03:45.500 That's just about double what the Conservatives, the Liberals, and the New Democrats raised, put together.

00:03:51.200 And the year before, in 2022, Polyev had another record-smashing year and raised $35 million, which more than doubled what the Liberals raised.

00:03:59.860 Now, money does not always guarantee wins.

00:04:03.060 We all know that.

00:04:04.840 Recall the fates of billionaires like Ross Pro and Pete DuPont.

00:04:09.060 But the absence of money always guarantees defeats.

00:04:12.380 Money buys ads.

00:04:14.760 Number two reason why I think Polyev could win is he's got organizational strength.

00:04:19.440 And, like, money doesn't win elections, as I've noted.

00:04:24.500 People do.

00:04:25.640 And right now, Polyev has many more candidates nominated than his opponents.

00:04:30.080 And critically, he's got a Tory blue army on the ground from sea to sea to sea.

00:04:36.180 Liberals just don't.

00:04:37.560 Like, they have entire rioting associations that exist in name only.

00:04:42.980 They're effectively political ghost towns.

00:04:44.900 To win, you need people to knock on doors and put up signs and get out the vote.

00:04:49.440 Polyev's got that more than anybody else.

00:04:51.280 Number three, he has a disciplined team.

00:04:53.920 In 2015, if you recall, Stephen Harper lost because of, like, amazingly, lack of discipline.

00:05:00.820 He substituted his focus on the economy at the back end for scaremongering above veils.

00:05:06.240 And his successors lost in 2019 and 2021 because of lack of message discipline as well.

00:05:13.300 Aaron O'Toole embracing a carbon tax.

00:05:15.380 Andrew Scheer getting too cozy with social conservative causes.

00:05:19.360 Anyway, this time around, Polyev and his team, you've got to give them credit, have run a much tighter ship message-wise.

00:05:25.500 And there have been no big verbal missteps about abortion or equal marriage or the other policy Vietnams of the past.

00:05:32.960 And voters have noticed.

00:05:34.540 Okay.

00:05:35.280 So, he's competitive, I think, for those three reasons.

00:05:40.640 Race has tightened up.

00:05:41.780 But that big conservative lead has vanished, nearly 30 points.

00:05:46.480 The liberals are competitive again.

00:05:48.180 So, could Carney win?

00:05:49.440 Of course he could.

00:05:50.540 Three reasons.

00:05:51.380 Number one, Trudeau is gone.

00:05:53.660 Towards the end, Justin Trudeau wasn't just his party's leader.

00:05:57.460 He'd become a political death sentence for them.

00:06:01.620 Liberals had become very, very, very unpopular.

00:06:05.220 And Trudeau wasn't the only reason, but he was the main one.

00:06:08.440 So, when he was forced out by Christopher Freeland, by his caucus, by reality,

00:06:13.540 liberals who had parked their vote with the conservatives or the NDP were always going to come back home.

00:06:19.660 And they have.

00:06:20.420 Number two, conservatives don't have a plan B.

00:06:25.240 Like in politics, guys, you always have to have a plan B.

00:06:29.360 The Tories didn't.

00:06:31.180 Now, Justin Trudeau, they'd say to me, he's a narcissist, Warren, and he's not going to leave. 0.78

00:06:36.380 And yes, he was a narcissist.

00:06:38.060 But they'd convince themselves that his narcissism was going to persuade him to stay.

00:06:42.560 But that's not how narcissism works.

00:06:45.200 Narcissists always leave messes for somebody else to clean up. 1.00

00:06:49.480 The conservatives arrogantly, stupidly, did not plan for Trudeau's departure. 0.99

00:06:56.160 And it shows. 1.00

00:06:58.100 Number three, Trump hurts.

00:07:00.660 That's Poliev.

00:07:02.300 Trump hurts the conservatives.

00:07:04.940 Like, Poliev is everything.

00:07:06.380 If you're being fair to him, he's everything that Trump is not.

00:07:09.440 He's intelligent.

00:07:10.680 He's strategic.

00:07:11.640 He's disciplined.

00:07:12.660 But too much of his style and persona remind voters of Trump.

00:07:17.140 You know, the puerile slogans and the angry social media and the total inability to smile every once in a while and say,

00:07:25.620 You know, this country is great.

00:07:27.780 I love this country.

00:07:28.880 I love the people in it.

00:07:30.400 Like, Trump could never say something like that.

00:07:32.620 And Poliev has not said something like that.

00:07:36.180 But the other part of this is the Conservative Party itself.

00:07:40.140 The Conservative Party is Trumpy.

00:07:42.060 They are.

00:07:42.760 Like, polls show it.

00:07:45.040 But Canadians know it in their guts where it counts. 0.59

00:07:49.120 Voters know that the party that is most likely to favor Donald Trump is overwhelmingly the Conservative Party of Canada.

00:07:56.240 And that is just the reality, folks.

00:07:58.640 Like, I'm sorry.

00:08:00.260 And for that reason, more than any other, the Poliev Conservatives are losing ground fast.

00:08:07.260 Pierre Poliev could still win.

00:08:08.900 Yes.

00:08:09.660 So could Mark Carney.

00:08:11.000 Yes.

00:08:11.580 It's that close.

00:08:12.620 The wild card?

00:08:14.460 Donald Trump.

00:08:15.800 He ultimately is going to tip the balance one way or another.

00:08:21.420 And right now, he's tipping it towards the Liberals.

00:08:26.240 Ruby, oh baby, don't you know?

00:08:30.020 Girl, your silence hurts me, so are you listening?

00:08:34.880 Ruby, oh baby, can't you see?

00:08:38.780 It's the source of misery.

00:08:40.300 Are you listening?

00:08:43.640 Troubles, they seem to follow me.

00:08:47.520 As far as I can see, it must be my destiny.

00:08:52.300 Troubles, they carry you around.

00:08:55.900 From the crib and to the ground.

00:08:58.340 They will never set you down.

00:09:01.100 Ooh, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la.

00:09:05.800 Ooh, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la.

00:09:10.540 Ruby, oh baby, can't you see?

00:09:14.380 I'm so sad it's killing me.

00:09:16.360 Are you listening?

00:09:19.360 Ruby, if you like to think out loud, it might really help me out.

00:09:24.800 Are you listening, girl?

00:09:27.940 Troubles, they seem to follow me.

00:09:31.720 As far as I can see, it must be my destiny.

00:09:36.520 Troubles, they carry you around.

00:09:40.180 From the crib and to the ground, they will never set you down.

00:09:44.480 Ooh, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la.

00:10:00.480 You're listening, girl.

00:10:02.480 Ooh, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la. 0.81

00:10:08.200 I'm a monster in here.

00:10:11.960 Troubles, they seem to follow me.

00:10:15.860 As far as I can see, it must be my destiny.

00:10:20.620 Troubles, they carry you around.

00:10:24.080 From the crib into the ground, they will never set you down.

00:10:38.200 Troubles, they carry you around.

00:11:08.200 Are you listening?

00:11:10.200 Are you listening?

00:11:13.900 Are you listening?

00:11:16.680 Are you listening?

00:11:18.820 Are you listening?

00:11:21.060 And we're back, and we're back.

00:11:23.280 I'm delighted to be back with the guest this week,

00:11:27.520 which is Senator Patrick Brazot.

00:11:30.440 And Patrick, or the senator,

00:11:32.980 I guess we'll have to figure out what I should call him,

00:11:35.420 he was the youngest person, I think, ever appointed to the Senate

00:11:41.380 by former Prime Minister Stephen Harper.

00:11:45.520 He's the former National Chief of the Congress of Aboriginal Peoples.

00:11:51.680 And he knows something about boxing and fighting.

00:11:55.200 And so we're going to talk about all of that.

00:11:58.240 But, Senator, I wanted to welcome you to the Kinsella cast.

00:12:01.280 Thank you.

00:12:02.520 Warren, thank you very much for having me.

00:12:04.940 And just so your listeners are aware,

00:12:08.360 I do owe you a bet.

00:12:10.460 Because I had predicted that Donald Trump would win the 2020 election,

00:12:16.360 and he did not, and so I do owe you a lunch.

00:12:19.220 And so I just want to make that clear.

00:12:21.320 All right.

00:12:21.700 Well, God bless you for that.

00:12:23.220 I actually am owed lots of lunches.

00:12:27.500 Brian Lilly and Adrian Batra at Post Media, my colleagues there,

00:12:32.460 owe me lunches and dinners because they all bet me that Mr. Trudeau would not leave.

00:12:38.180 And I said, of course he's going to leave.

00:12:39.700 And so I won those two.

00:12:40.780 So maybe let's go back to that, you know, the famous boxing match that you had in 2012

00:12:47.440 with the Prime Minister, and who may be the former Prime Minister by the time the podcast is up.

00:12:54.300 So when all of that happened, how did you feel, you know,

00:12:59.140 everybody focuses on what Justin Trudeau thought about it.

00:13:02.720 What did you think about it?

00:13:03.960 What was your motivation for saying yes to this charity boxing match in 2012?

00:13:09.020 Well, back then, obviously, I was part of the Conservative Caucus,

00:13:15.180 and he was an MP, you know, in the Liberal Party.

00:13:19.480 And so when his makeup artist or hairstylist asked me at Sun News Network back in the day

00:13:27.080 if I would contemplate having a charity boxing match with Justin Trudeau,

00:13:33.240 it took me about five seconds, and I said yes.

00:13:36.420 And just because I thought that, you know, in the political arena anyway,

00:13:41.300 not, you know, because we were absolutely amateurs,

00:13:45.320 but in the political arena, it brought a lot of excitement and hype to it.

00:13:50.920 And so that's why I had agreed to it back then.

00:13:54.040 I wasn't a big fan of the Trudeau family at that time.

00:13:58.640 And so I said, you know, why not, why not get into the ring with him?

00:14:03.500 And so I did, but I made the biggest mistake to have underestimated him.

00:14:11.140 And, you know, back then I was smoking cigarettes.

00:14:14.720 So you can't expect to climb into a boxing ring and expect to win if you're a smoker.

00:14:20.640 Well, it was, I got to tell you at the time, at that point,

00:14:24.020 I was much friendlier with the Trudeau gang than I am now. 0.95

00:14:28.780 And I remember saying to Gerald Butz at the time, are you crazy?

00:14:33.500 Like if I said, this Brezzo guy looks like he's buff and in great shape.

00:14:38.300 What if he beats Justin?

00:14:39.580 I mean, that's the end of Justin's political ambitions if Brezzo beats him.

00:14:44.220 But anyway, I guess history went the other way.

00:14:46.020 Well, now there's another potential boxing match on the horizon.

00:14:50.220 I thought you brilliantly, and it was fun and funny and telling,

00:14:55.800 you offered to have a boxing match with another politician

00:15:00.400 or somebody who aspires to be a politician.

00:15:04.140 Tell us about that one.

00:15:06.220 Sure.

00:15:06.740 So, you know, like, you know, with respect to the President Trump's

00:15:11.020 or tariff Trump's tariff war onto Canada,

00:15:16.020 like I, with many Canadians, was wondering, you know, what I can do

00:15:20.180 because, you know, I'm an independent, non-affiliated senator

00:15:23.960 in the Senate of Canada and I don't belong to any political party.

00:15:26.960 So, you know, what could I do to push back against these tariffs?

00:15:30.760 And so then I, you know, I immediately thought, you know, why not?

00:15:35.740 And I initially thought about challenging Vice President Vance,

00:15:42.280 especially after the meeting that took place in the White House with President Zelensky.

00:15:50.280 But he's a little bit out of my weight class.

00:15:53.520 And so I thought, who could be next?

00:15:56.480 And so why not pick another non-elected person and go right after, you know,

00:16:01.640 the Trump family themselves and ask Donald Trump if he would go toe-to-toe

00:16:07.300 for a charity boxing match?

00:16:09.920 Well, I wouldn't give many chances to President Trump if you got into a ring with him.

00:16:16.760 I think you could take him with both hands tied behind your back.

00:16:19.540 So any response to these offers for these charity matches with the Trump folks?

00:16:24.980 Have they responded?

00:16:26.720 Unfortunately, no response thus far.

00:16:29.460 You know, I know it's made a little bit of news internationally,

00:16:34.440 but ironically it hasn't made too much of American news.

00:16:39.380 And so, you know, perhaps they may think that I'm not being serious,

00:16:44.420 but as a matter of fact, I am being serious.

00:16:47.840 The challenge is there.

00:16:49.660 You know, I've been trying to troll him a little bit

00:16:52.740 into trying to get him to answer, but still no answer.

00:16:57.480 But it's not over yet.

00:16:59.720 Well, we'll help you out on that.

00:17:01.080 I'm not sure they all sit around every Sunday morning listening to the Kinsella cast,

00:17:05.760 but we will see if we can pump it up.

00:17:08.900 Maybe I'll do a column about it for post-media,

00:17:11.480 because I've got to tell you, Senator, 0.99

00:17:13.220 I think the whole damn country would be cheering you on. 0.99

00:17:17.020 And everybody would be in your corner cheering you on for such a match. 0.99

00:17:22.720 So what do you think more seriously, you know,

00:17:25.340 as somebody who is a public representative,

00:17:28.260 somebody who is in the Senate and watching all of these things

00:17:32.300 that have been going on since Trump came back,

00:17:36.100 what do you feel about what has been happening?

00:17:39.840 And what do you think we as a country should be doing differently

00:17:44.180 than from what we're doing right now?

00:17:46.900 Well, first of all, I think that what's happening down south

00:17:51.620 and, you know, talking about the 51st state

00:17:54.160 and talking about annexation and tariffs,

00:17:57.480 I think it's very scary and it's very concerning.

00:18:01.420 And I'm saying this, again, as an independent senator,

00:18:04.060 just, you know, looking, you know, having the experience that I've had.

00:18:07.720 And, you know, at the beginning,

00:18:10.540 when President Trump started talking about, you know,

00:18:14.240 Governor Trudeau and the 51st state idea,

00:18:17.280 you know, I thought, like many Canadians,

00:18:19.740 that it was just a joke, just trolling our prime minister at the time.

00:18:24.260 But when Justin Trudeau decided or announced that he was stepping down,

00:18:30.860 well, President Trump from that day on to this day

00:18:34.160 is still talking about the 51st state

00:18:37.820 and trying to impose crazy and bogus tariffs onto Canada.

00:18:43.600 And so I think as Canadians, sure, there's things that we can do.

00:18:47.920 We can buy Canadian.

00:18:48.920 We can look at, you know, what we can buy ourselves as consumers.

00:18:55.620 But we also have to push back against this very dangerous narrative

00:19:00.220 that this was all due to fentanyl.

00:19:03.760 You know, I'm also a spokesperson and advocate for mental health

00:19:08.220 and issues like that.

00:19:09.880 And this is not about fentanyl whatsoever.

00:19:12.760 This is about the fact that Canada has one of the world's largest oil reserves.

00:19:18.520 We have one of the biggest areas of fresh water in the world.

00:19:24.180 We have minerals, we have resources, and we have our Arctic.

00:19:28.020 And I strongly and firmly believe today

00:19:30.980 that this is what President Trump and the MAGA crowd are after.

00:19:37.080 They're after territory.

00:19:38.180 Because if we look at what the Russians have done in Ukraine, 0.99

00:19:41.760 starting in 2014, and, you know, they promised a ceasefire,

00:19:45.700 and, you know, they went back in.

00:19:49.080 And now we're going to wait what's going to happen with that.

00:19:52.340 But Russia has taken territory from Ukraine.

00:19:55.540 If we take another superpower, China, if they had their way, 0.97

00:19:58.880 they would move into Taiwan and they would be gaining territory.

00:20:03.260 And so it's not inconceivable in 2025 that the United States of America

00:20:08.480 and the President and President Trump is looking towards the same

00:20:11.820 because, as the old saying goes in the United States,

00:20:15.220 they have to keep up with the Joneses.

00:20:16.920 And so we have to keep the eye on the big picture and the price here

00:20:21.800 because it's very concerning, it's scary.

00:20:24.700 And let's face it, these tariffs are going to hit every single wallet

00:20:29.400 of Canadian taxpayers.

00:20:32.300 And it's going to affect American taxpayers as well.

00:20:36.740 One thing I represent different First Nations and have for years,

00:20:42.360 and I've talked to different chiefs about all of this nonsense

00:20:46.680 that's been going on for the past few weeks,

00:20:49.280 and they're very, very concerned.

00:20:52.500 And precisely for the issues you identify is that, you know,

00:20:56.100 Trump is clearly lusting after our resources.

00:20:59.420 And we've got lots of resource industries now where we've got

00:21:03.260 Indigenous partners, we've got First Nations who are involved

00:21:07.020 in resource extraction, and they're finally benefiting from that.

00:21:12.380 And then along comes this potential threat, you know,

00:21:15.320 not just to the well-being of Canada, but also to Indigenous Canadians.

00:21:19.260 What's your view about that?

00:21:20.520 Like, what are you hearing within the Indigenous community

00:21:23.300 about the stuff that Trump is saying?

00:21:26.460 Well, I'm hearing much of what you've heard thus far.

00:21:30.440 I think there's a lot of people who are scared and fearful

00:21:33.920 because here we have, you know, potentially a President of the United States

00:21:38.400 again looking towards territory and talking about annexation.

00:21:43.680 Well, when we talk about, you know, I don't want to get in-depth

00:21:45.920 into this conversation, but when we talk about First Nations

00:21:49.860 and land and territory, well, First Nations people don't want 1.00

00:21:53.280 to go through this again in 2025.

00:21:56.260 You know, they don't want to be displaced and dispossessed

00:22:01.280 and come out in last place again.

00:22:05.140 And so I understand the fear there, but I think it's important,

00:22:10.460 whether First Nations or not, that, again, like I said earlier,

00:22:14.000 that we need to do whatever we can, whether using our voice,

00:22:18.080 whether using actions or whatnot, to push back against this very dangerous

00:22:23.040 narrative, because there are more and more people in the United States,

00:22:27.020 more and more citizens who are believing this narrative

00:22:29.140 that this is all about fentanyl.

00:22:31.420 And this is just crazy and dangerous, quite frankly.

00:22:35.040 It is indeed.

00:22:35.960 And hear, hear, well said and well spoken.

00:22:39.080 And so I encourage everybody who's listening,

00:22:42.420 the Trump people love social media, so get in touch with them.

00:22:46.060 Say, look, this is a serious challenge.

00:22:47.920 We got Senator Briseau, who's ready to take on Donald Trump Jr.

00:22:52.600 or, you know, any of the pasty old guys in that circle.

00:22:57.460 And we would love to see that as a country.

00:22:59.800 But anyway, Senator, I'm most grateful for you giving us time

00:23:03.520 to talk about all of these important issues and some fun stuff as well.

00:23:08.080 Really appreciate it.

00:23:09.380 Have a great day and have a great week.

00:23:11.560 Well, thank you very much for that.

00:23:13.400 You take care.

00:23:14.220 Thank you for having me and for taking the time.

00:23:17.860 And like I said, you know, when we look at the big picture,

00:23:20.640 the United States, they're a country of 340 million.

00:23:24.220 We're approximately 40 million.

00:23:26.120 You know, they have a huge economy.

00:23:27.460 They're a superpower.

00:23:28.460 So, you know, when we look, you know, if we look at, you know,

00:23:32.660 a fight with the United States, it's hard to imagine that we can win.

00:23:37.520 But having said that, we as Canadians don't go down without a fight.

00:23:43.000 And that's why we need to stand up, all of us, and, you know,

00:23:47.040 try and be united because that's certainly one thing that President Trump

00:23:52.080 has been able to do.

00:23:52.980 He has united Canadians in a way that I have never seen.

00:23:57.020 And, you know, and I'm just 50 years old.

00:23:59.420 I've never seen Canadians come together so quickly.

00:24:02.800 So at least President Trump has done that.

00:24:04.700 Well, I haven't seen something like this either,

00:24:07.400 and it is wonderful to see however horrible this man has been to our country.

00:24:12.240 But having guys like you on our team makes us all feel good,

00:24:16.920 and we're grateful for it.

00:24:17.860 So thank you, Senator.

00:24:19.260 We're all part of Team Canada.

00:24:20.740 You be well.

00:24:34.700 We're all part of Team Canada.

00:24:57.580 You be well.

00:24:59.820 If you are my rage

00:25:05.420 We'd love to be on our stage

00:25:11.420 Every place designed

00:25:17.420 We call the points away

00:25:23.420 You hold your hand

00:25:26.620 And you hold your hand away

00:25:32.620 Like this band each night

00:25:35.620 Now you find the coming days

00:25:44.620 When you bring your time

00:25:48.620 To live like a better guy

00:25:56.620 Is the world you find

00:26:02.620 With a view you'd hope to find

00:26:08.620 You hold your hand

00:26:11.620 Yeah, you hold your hands away

00:26:17.620 In Spanish, the caliber

00:26:21.620 Calling day

00:26:25.620 In Spanish, the caliber

00:26:37.620 Okay, we pick me up

00:26:39.620 The caliber ball

00:26:43.620 That brain tube

00:26:48.620 Something's gone

00:27:02.860 That's winter in every way

00:27:10.160 With your world

00:27:12.840 Will you stay

00:27:18.600 Will you still come back

00:27:20.860 A day

00:27:21.860 Will you still

00:27:24.600 Come back

00:27:26.900 A day

00:27:28.220 All of the

00:27:30.260 Corn

00:27:31.580 The points

00:27:33.100 A way

00:27:34.400 Will you still

00:27:36.400 Come back

00:27:38.400 A day

00:27:40.400 A day

00:27:42.400 A day

00:27:44.400 A day

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00:28:11.400 We'll be right back.

00:28:41.400 And we're back, and we're back.

00:28:43.780 Like, this is the duking – this is the – like, actually, boxing is a big theme of this week's show because we've got Patrick Brazeau on talking about his challenge to have a boxing match with Donald Trump Jr.

00:28:56.120 Well, last night, there was a bit of an online boxing match starting – I don't know if it actually happened between Brian Lilly and Andrew Coyne.

00:29:04.600 And Brian, my buddy from Hamilton, kind of threw it down with Andrew.

00:29:10.020 And, like, so, Brian, tell us – tell us what happened with this contest between these two media giants. 0.98

00:29:17.820 I just regularly take shots at Andrew Coyne because, you know, you were wondering why I called him a pompous ass. 0.98

00:29:25.800 It's because he is. 0.97

00:29:26.600 But, you know, morning, noon, and night, you know, I know you had questions of, oh, this was a Saturday night thing, road pops.

00:29:34.900 No.

00:29:35.280 So, morning, noon, and night, I will look on X and just see this guy who, from the beginning of this tariff issue, has basically advocated for a trade war with the U.S.

00:29:49.020 So, I know we're kind of in one, but he advocates things that would destroy our economy.

00:29:53.920 And I think it's because living in Rosedale as he does, living a life of privilege as he has for a long time, I don't think he knows a single person that would lose a shift or be laid off due to the policies he advocates for dealing with Trump,

00:30:11.500 which is, you know, shutting down trade with Trump and angering him constantly.

00:30:16.500 I know people who have already lost work due to the tariff issue, and I know more people that if the auto tariffs go back on, will be laid off within the week.

00:30:25.800 I know people who work on manufacturing lines.

00:30:30.360 These are the Canadians that we have to worry about. 1.00

00:30:32.740 It's why you've got to handle this properly and carefully and not emotionally, which some of my media colleagues are so detached from the lives of folks who work in the auto plants, work in the food manufacturing and processing plants,

00:30:51.380 that they just don't understand how devastating the policies they advocate would be.

00:31:00.140 Which is a beautiful segue for what I want to talk to you about, which is the frame, you know, the frame.

00:31:08.960 I guess the liberals are going to try to argue they are the change or whatever.

00:31:13.220 I don't think that's going to work.

00:31:14.840 The Tories are going to argue he's just like Justin.

00:31:17.280 I don't think that's going to work.

00:31:18.720 But in terms of, you know, the hell of a guy, the Hoag thing that I always do in campaigns, who's the guy I'd want to have a beer with?

00:31:26.720 Who's the guy who understands my life?

00:31:28.800 And, you know, so I put this to my buddy from The Hammer, who knows how to throw down the gloves when the circumstances require it, as we saw last night with you and Coyne.

00:31:39.380 Like, it seems to me that some of the optics, some of the fundamentals about Mark Carney are unhelpful to the liberals.

00:31:48.860 He's a multi, multi-million dollar guy who hangs out with billionaires and has clearly never had to worry about a hydro bill or a mortgage payment.

00:31:59.060 But Polyev gives off, I think, you know, despite how prickly he is, gives off kind of a vibe where he understands your life a bit better.

00:32:08.860 Do you think that's where this coming election is going to go?

00:32:11.480 Because it's just days away, isn't it?

00:32:13.060 Well, funny, on polling issues, and I've looked at both Leger and Abacus this past week, not the poll from the guy who says the liberals are leading with 40% in Alberta.

00:32:27.960 So, you know, Polyev is leading on issues like who best understands people like me.

00:32:40.140 Is he a hoag?

00:32:41.520 I'm not sure.

00:32:42.900 Carney's definitely not.

00:32:44.500 I'm not sure if that's how most Canadians would see Polyev, but they do get a sense that he understands their life.

00:32:52.160 And in the Abacus poll, I've got it up in front of me now, they asked the party best able to handle cost of living, conservatives ahead of the liberals by 17 points, health care, 30% for the conservatives, 29% for the liberals, housing, the conservatives lead by six.

00:33:10.940 The economy, and this is a poll where it's all about asking about Mark Carney, on the economy, the conservatives are at 42%, the liberals are at 24%, immigration, it's 58% to 15%, 55% to 20%.

00:33:27.940 The liberals only lead on two issues, climate change, and dealing with Trump, that are 42% say Carney's liberals can handle Trump better, versus 28% who think Pierre Polyev's conservatives can.

00:33:43.660 If the election is held about the issues that Canadians have been worried about for the past two years, that saw them turn on Justin Trudeau, such as the cost of living, the fact that the kids can't afford a home, the fact that crime has gone up dramatically in this country, including violent crime and gun crime, if they vote on any of those things, the conservatives win.

00:34:05.940 If they vote on Donald Trump, if this becomes like the Ontario election we just had, and I think the liberals are furiously copying notes from Doug Ford's playbook, and Donald Trump's, I'll explain that.

00:34:17.600 Yeah, we should talk about that, that's important.

00:34:20.140 Then, if it's on Trump, then the conservatives could pull off what was unthinkable a couple of weeks ago, and that's a majority.

00:34:29.420 But if they think about, oh yeah, life still sucks here without Trump, like we need to fix things, fundamental things, then they're going to vote for the conservatives.

00:34:40.380 It's a very weird space.

00:34:42.080 Let's talk about that important point you made, because it was part of the discussion on the CFRA this morning, which is, you know, Mark Carney doing, there he is doing an executive order, you know, practically getting his Sharpie out.

00:34:54.020 And there he is off to the ancestral homelands of Britain and France and Nunavut, and not, you know, running down to Mar-a-Lago.

00:35:02.740 You've got an important column about that this weekend.

00:35:07.580 Maybe we should talk about that first, which is, you know, where did it go off the rails with the Americans and Trump?

00:35:14.020 And you've got a column that kind of answers that question.

00:35:17.920 Yeah, so Donald Trump issued his threats about terrorists before he was sworn in, it was a Truth Social post on November 25th, saying that, and this was to shock to everyone, we hadn't heard fentanyl and illegal immigration as issues for terrorists yet.

00:35:35.160 He talked about terrorists all during the campaign, but he hadn't talked about them in the context of Canada, Mexico, the border.

00:35:43.520 And so that was new.

00:35:44.420 That's November 25th.

00:35:45.920 And he said, 25% terrorists, unless these issues are dealt with by the time I'm sworn in.

00:35:52.540 Justin Trudeau flew down to Mar-a-Lago on November 29th with a couple of his ministers, including Dominic LeBlanc, his fixer, his babysitter.

00:36:01.900 And I thought it was a bold move.

00:36:04.220 You didn't.

00:36:05.360 I thought, okay, this is bold.

00:36:07.420 This is good.

00:36:09.680 He got attention.

00:36:10.540 I was down there to hop on a cruise, and Trudeau got attention while he was there.

00:36:17.600 Unfortunately, he took the wrong message.

00:36:19.480 If he'd gone with the right message, maybe we wouldn't be in this.

00:36:22.740 But we've heard several times since early December.

00:36:27.180 I've only ever really heard Donald Trump's description of it.

00:36:30.540 And I always, you know, it's Trump.

00:36:32.740 He's boasting.

00:36:33.440 He's exaggerating.

00:36:34.900 So I doubted that it went the way he described it, which is that Trudeau went to him and said, you'll ruin our economy if you put these tariffs on.

00:36:46.000 And he said, well, if you don't have an economy without us, then you should be a 51st state.

00:36:53.500 It turns out that's exactly what happened.

00:36:55.460 And not only that, Trudeau volunteered the information.

00:36:59.560 And Trump wasn't overly engaged in the conversation until Trudeau volunteers that you will ruin our economy.

00:37:07.600 Canada won't survive if you put these tariffs on.

00:37:11.560 And so I've confirmed this five ways from Sunday, including people reaching out to me to say, yes, that is exactly how it happened after my initial column was published.

00:37:22.460 So Trudeau volunteers this information and suddenly Trump's interested and starts talking about the state.

00:37:30.220 Talk about leading with your chin, eh?

00:37:31.860 Yeah, so he may have, it may have started as a joke with them.

00:37:35.740 I don't know.

00:37:36.720 But he's serious about it now.

00:37:39.460 And so if Trudeau hadn't gone to Mar-a-Lago, we wouldn't have the 51st state mess.

00:37:45.900 Trudeau would probably still be prime minister.

00:37:48.120 We'd be hearing about tariffs just like every other country in the world.

00:37:52.160 Canadians have really personalized this and feel like it's all about us.

00:37:55.780 They're doing it to everyone, even their other close allies and friends.

00:38:00.760 And then after the tariffs go on, we'll start negotiating trade deals down the road.

00:38:05.880 Well, I'll argue that we're in a slightly different position than Malaysia.

00:38:10.280 You know, I've obviously felt the Americans on this morning.

00:38:13.460 Britain, France was the United States' original ally in the fight against Britain for their independence.

00:38:20.380 They're doing it to all of them.

00:38:22.000 They're doing it to us.

00:38:23.060 Yes, we're different than Malaysia. 0.84

00:38:26.140 We're different than Mexico, even. 0.95

00:38:28.020 But it's, Mark Carney wouldn't be PM. 0.98

00:38:34.380 Trudeau would still be PM if he hadn't gone to Mar-a-Lago and said dumb things. 0.98

00:38:41.000 Fascinating. 0.94

00:38:41.700 Well, let's talk about that to conclude.

00:38:44.160 We haven't spent a lot of time yet on, because I've been asking you all kinds of questions and other stuff.

00:38:49.960 Mark Carney, prime minister.

00:38:51.760 Mark Carney, slimmed down cabinet.

00:38:55.700 What do you think about everything that happened?

00:38:57.960 I mean, it's like drinking from a fryer hose these days.

00:39:01.060 It's hard to keep up.

00:39:02.360 But we have a new prime minister.

00:39:04.080 We have this slimmed down cabinet.

00:39:06.500 What does Brian Lilly think about everything that took place?

00:39:09.080 Well, it's unfortunate that his first act was to lie to the Canadian people.

00:39:16.140 And I use that term on purpose.

00:39:18.520 Editors hate it when you say a politician lied.

00:39:21.380 But he told us that he ended the carbon tax and he had a little signing ceremony that looked like Donald Trump signing an executive order in the White House.

00:39:29.280 It was shameless.

00:39:30.340 We don't have those in this country.

00:39:32.980 No, we don't.

00:39:33.860 We have orders in council.

00:39:35.160 And the order in council is now released.

00:39:38.920 And I can tell you what it says.

00:39:41.520 It says, Her Excellency, the governor in council on the recommendation of the minister of finance makes the annex regulations amending schedule two of the Greenhouse Gas Pollution Pricing Act, blah, blah, blah.

00:39:52.520 Here's what Carney signed.

00:39:54.780 He signed a document that said, I hereby instruct that the fuel charge be removed as of April 1st, 2025, and that the April 2025 carbon rebate be issued and signed it, Prime Minister Mark J. Carney.

00:40:09.260 It was a fake document with a fake signing ceremony.

00:40:14.180 And then, you know, the liberals and a lot of their pals in the media just keep saying, oh, conservatives should stop talking about the carbon tax.

00:40:21.340 It's all they've talked about since Friday afternoon.

00:40:25.200 It's all the liberals have talked about.

00:40:26.620 They posted, as of last night, six times posters and videos of Carney doing this.

00:40:34.380 Executive order from President Carney.

00:40:36.640 Well, what did you think of the cabinet?

00:40:38.600 Which was really weird because he highlighted the importance of our different history and our different political system.

00:40:44.740 And then he apes it.

00:40:45.700 And, yeah, the cabinet, it's, I always like a slimmed down cabinet.

00:40:52.200 That's good.

00:40:52.800 The people that are in it, they're placeholders because we're going to an election next Sunday.

00:40:58.120 Exactly.

00:40:59.260 He says that they're built for action.

00:41:01.240 They won't have time to do action.

00:41:02.680 They won't have time to find out where the bathroom is in their office. 0.71

00:41:05.220 He's off to his, I don't know what time his flight leaves, but it does leave today.

00:41:11.720 He's headed to Paris to meet with Macron.

00:41:13.860 Then he's going to London to meet with Starmer, trying to build the Rebel Alliance to take on Darth Vader.

00:41:21.440 He needs Han Solo to his Luke Skywalker.

00:41:24.140 Oh, that's good.

00:41:25.140 You've got to put that in a column.

00:41:26.920 Will he get one?

00:41:27.840 So, I've cast doubt on Starmer, and then I heard from friends in the U.K. that said, because Starmer refused to back up Canada when he was at the White House.

00:41:39.180 He sure did.

00:41:40.380 He's refused to back up Canada in Parliament and in interviews.

00:41:44.220 Apparently, he's getting blowback on that, and the Brits are furious about tariffs.

00:41:48.280 So, he may pick up Starmer's support.

00:41:50.940 I don't know about Macron, who, he's been to the White House and tried to play very nice with Trump.

00:41:55.820 So, it's, you know, it's tough to say what he's going to get out of that, but he will get all the headlines.

00:42:01.540 Well, he does have the king.

00:42:02.840 The king is, like, doing a lot of blink twice if you're worried about Canada stuff.

00:42:08.320 But he's sucking up all the media oxygen, and Pierre Poliev's going to have a hard time punching through.

00:42:14.860 Yep.

00:42:16.100 And then he'll come back.

00:42:17.980 He'll have a first minister's meeting later this week.

00:42:21.400 I don't know if it's going to be in person.

00:42:22.880 And if he's smart, he'll try and get them all in person to Ottawa.

00:42:27.640 And then he's going to call an election on Sunday.

00:42:32.280 And then we're off.

00:42:33.560 So, Carney's going to dominate the next week. 0.77

00:42:36.280 At a time when, we do have to remember, a lot of Canadians still have no idea who this guy is.

00:42:42.220 But they're going to get to know him this week.

00:42:44.940 And, you know, visually, he looks like the prime minister.

00:42:48.460 Central casting, send down a prime minister. 0.91

00:42:50.420 So, it's going to be a tough week for the Conservatives to break through.

00:42:59.400 Their ad buy right now is massive.

00:43:01.900 It's the biggest in Canadian political history.

00:43:04.760 But as soon as the election's called, they're subject to the same rules as everyone else.

00:43:10.240 They're trying to get their message about Mark Carney and defining him out this week at a time when he's going to dominate the news cycle.

00:43:18.180 Well, it's going to be so much fun, at least for Brian and I. 0.98

00:43:22.040 Maybe not for the pompous asses out there. 1.00

00:43:24.220 But as Brian Lilly likes to say, Brian, we will now conclude with your trademark phrase about what is coming in the next few days. 0.97

00:43:31.760 Voters are fickle.

00:43:32.760 Polls can change.

00:43:33.740 Campaigns matter.

00:43:34.740 TM, Brian Lilly, 2025.

00:43:36.760 So, thank you.

00:43:38.400 Thank you, sir. 0.99

00:43:39.600 No pompous ass are you. 1.00

00:43:41.160 Thank you for the fun analysis. 0.99

00:43:43.360 We've got so much stuff going on.

00:43:45.180 It's going to be a blast for you and me.

00:43:46.860 And I'm looking forward to it.

00:43:47.980 Thank you, sir.

00:43:48.480 Sounds good.

00:43:49.540 Thank you, sir.

00:43:51.540 And then you're right.

00:43:52.560 Hey, yo, somebody.

00:44:07.040 Who's that girl playing her white tambourine and singing la, la, la, la? 1.00

00:44:15.860 I don't know where she comes from, but the way she plays makes me feel happy.

00:44:29.380 How I'm feeling happy.

00:44:31.820 For a while I close my eyes And I feel that I can fly But I open them again

00:44:49.500 I'm afraid that she goes That she goes away

00:44:55.100 Who's that girl playing her white tambourine And singing la, la, la, la, la? 1.00

00:45:17.880 La, la, la, la, la, la I need to know Where she comes from If she lives in this world 0.64

00:45:27.940 I'm feeling so happy How I'm feeling happy

00:45:33.880 Then I went across the square To her I finally say

00:45:47.680 How wonderful she is That she smiles

00:45:54.400 Fun and the way she came from And Vivian

00:45:56.060 And your love she comes from But it's been so happy

00:45:57.000 You've got her for her I'm feeling so happy

00:45:57.400 But away she is

00:45:58.020 The time she lives When she comes from 0.95

00:45:58.800 We'll be right back.

00:46:29.800 We're back.

00:46:30.880 We're back with John Mraz, and it is just an extraordinary week.

00:46:34.620 There's so much stuff going on.

00:46:36.460 It's hard to keep track.

00:46:38.520 And Ukraine had been a huge issue in the media around the time of Vladimir Zelensky's visit, ill-fated visit to the Oval Office.

00:46:49.820 It's faded a little bit from view, but the war rages on with many, many lives being lost in the interim.

00:46:58.240 John Mraz, what are you hearing about what is taking place in Ukraine at the present time?

00:47:03.720 I think that the population of Ukraine, let's just get out of the details of the war, I want to start by saying that innocent civilians have been hit by both sides regularly, whether deliberately or not, through this horrible war.

00:47:19.640 But Russia has a particular knack for hitting nurseries and seniors' apartment buildings and hospitals.

00:47:26.540 It doesn't seem to be coincidental.

00:47:29.000 Anyway, what's happening on the ground in Ukraine is they're having an existential moment.

00:47:32.880 Do they, in the name of peace, as a population, support Zelensky, giving away 20% of their territory, Crimea in the ports, and the demand for an election never to join NATO or really even become part of the EU?

00:47:51.560 Or do they fight on?

00:47:52.500 And they have to decide, and I don't think anybody, whether it's Trump or Starmer in Britain or Vladimir Putin or the Saudis, who are somehow hosting this for no particularly good reason.

00:48:04.800 Saudis are certainly not a neutral country anyway.

00:48:06.960 It will be the Ukrainian people who decide whether there will be an intifada after any armistice or truce or ceasefire that may or may not be declared.

00:48:20.160 Intifada.

00:48:20.600 Will they fight on?

00:48:21.380 Intifada, that's interesting.

00:48:22.940 Well, what do you think they're going to do?

00:48:24.920 I mean, you've lived there and you've worked there.

00:48:26.640 I don't know.

00:48:27.460 And every time I've spoken to 100 Ukrainian people this week, without exaggeration, because I'm very curious.

00:48:32.620 And, you know, I use the free services like WhatsApp, and I call them and ask them what they're thinking.

00:48:38.160 And on the one hand, they're furious.

00:48:40.280 They feel abandoned, not only by the U.S., but they feel that the European Union, at the best of the U.S., never gave them what they really needed to win.

00:48:50.780 They're running out of soldiers that want to fight.

00:48:54.140 Young people are being conscripted against their will.

00:48:56.960 And that's certainly not in keeping with Ukraine's commitments to democracy.

00:49:01.200 They may not have an opportunity to vote.

00:49:04.700 And even Great Britain had an election in the middle of the Second World War.

00:49:08.400 So it can be done.

00:49:10.180 Well, what you say is reflected in the polling.

00:49:12.540 You know, to the extent that you can poll in a war zone, there does seem to be a split, a weariness about the war among the Ukrainian people.

00:49:20.920 Okay, so then my next question is, what do you think Putin's going to do?

00:49:25.660 You know, though the Americans have at least said for now, the ball is in your court.

00:49:31.500 I think those are the words of Secretary of State Rubio directly.

00:49:35.280 The ball is in the Russian court.

00:49:37.300 And Putin is doing his classic equivocation.

00:49:40.620 And it's a lot of fog and a lot of haze.

00:49:42.820 Where do you think he's going to end up? 1.00

00:49:44.360 Does he anger Donald Trump by saying, fuck you guys? 1.00

00:49:47.780 I'm going to keep fighting the war? 1.00

00:49:49.040 I'm trying to evaluate any response from a guy as mentally ill as Donald Trump is something that I will never do again. 1.00

00:49:57.800 Because I keep on forgetting that he's like bananas. 1.00

00:50:00.380 He's got falafels in his head.

00:50:01.980 Some of the time he's cogent.

00:50:03.120 Some of the time he's not.

00:50:04.300 He gets facts wrong.

00:50:05.500 Sometimes he repeats whoever is giving him his life.

00:50:07.520 I think it's syphilis, actually.

00:50:09.200 But anyway, that's Dr. Kinsella's view.

00:50:11.120 But what about Putin?

00:50:11.940 Putin has been very unclear about his response to what the Ukrainians, the Americans have said to him.

00:50:20.860 What do you think he's going to do?

00:50:22.980 I think Biden's great failure, which set the stage for all of this, was that he did not follow Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, the junior, and Obama's advice,

00:50:34.080 which was to talk frankly and brutally to Putin in the back room and give him grace in the theater of the absurd in the front.

00:50:40.660 And Biden didn't give him that grace.

00:50:44.940 And it would be nice to think that that's what Trump's doing when he sounds like a Russian plant agent, you know, or sympathizer at the very least.

00:50:52.940 It'd be nice to think that he is talking tough to Putin in the back room and Putin knows that there is a limit to how far he can push this.

00:50:59.940 But I have no idea what they talk about in person and privately.

00:51:03.140 Because as you write on your, you know, in your scripts on all sorts of mediums, he sure does look like a Russian agent.

00:51:12.260 Does he not?

00:51:13.240 He sure does.

00:51:14.200 But he also taxed them this week.

00:51:16.700 He imposed new sanctions on them.

00:51:19.020 Whether those are effective or not is, right?

00:51:22.100 The Europeans you touched on have been making noises since the ill-fated meeting in the Oval Office with Zelensky about filling in the void and stepping in.

00:51:33.380 And, you know, it's a new Western alliance and yada, yada, yada.

00:51:37.300 Has any of that come to bear?

00:51:39.720 Has any of that actually happened?

00:51:41.560 Or is it just rhetoric coming from the Europeans at this point?

00:51:44.420 If the Russians continue to pose an existential threat to Europe's freedoms, because they believe that parts of Estonia should be theirs because of the Russian populations, Georgia certainly, because Stalin and Putin's mother came from there, should be part of the Russian Union, et cetera. 0.70

00:51:59.240 Rather than Europe, whether Trump exists or not, with America as an undependable ally who may or may not intervene or supply, has to arm itself as a group, probably led by Britain and Germany, the two biggest economies over there, and the two best purveyors, creators, and distributors of weapons.

00:52:20.080 The French might come a close third.

00:52:21.720 And what you're doing, what Trump and Putin are doing, is forcing Europe, a European Union, to be no longer a political material fact, but a military material fact.

00:52:31.360 So you're talking about an entire continent.

00:52:34.360 And if you put all those economies together, they can certainly compete with the U.S. and they can provide for themselves, but they are coming up to speed very late to the game.

00:52:42.220 And it will take even, you know, as effective as the British and the Germans and the French can be, they're building factories as we speak.

00:52:50.140 Because they cannot depend on the U.S. as an ally anymore.

00:52:54.880 So, I mean, the one guy who seems to have a semi-decent relationship with Trump is Starmer in the U.K.

00:53:00.920 The one guy who walks away from the table with the least number and percentages of sanctions of any country in the G20.

00:53:09.000 I don't know how they had that shot.

00:53:11.420 And Trump seems to have some fetish with Britain.

00:53:13.880 He's getting a second state visit with the king, which makes me think poorly of the king, by the way.

00:53:20.140 So the rest of Europe, like our man Carney here, who is suspected of being soft on a variety of countries, he shouldn't be already, being very tough on Trump.

00:53:31.340 The rest of the world are aligning themselves, but it's convenient for the Europeans. 0.96

00:53:35.820 We are floating over here with that safe ocean, as Trump called it, in between them.

00:53:40.960 Final point, then, on Mr. Carney.

00:53:46.720 You know, very little is known about the guy.

00:53:50.140 Very little is known about his policy preferences.

00:53:53.960 But he's prime minister.

00:53:55.840 It was in all the papers this week.

00:53:57.760 He's now the prime minister of Canada, without a seat in the House of Commons.

00:54:01.520 I think we're just days away from an election campaign, and I think you agree with that, too.

00:54:06.960 What do we know about Mark Carney's position on foreign affairs?

00:54:12.740 Because foreign affairs, I think, now in the year 2025 is a bigger issue than it has been in any election, Canadian federal election in my lifetime.

00:54:21.540 Where do you think he stands on all these different issues, on joining the EU, supporting Ukraine, dealing with Americans on a long-term basis?

00:54:31.480 What can you tell us what you know about the guy?

00:54:34.200 It's funny you should ask him that, because I did the reading on him this week when it comes to his history as a banker and a politician, and as a businessman before being a banker, with all of these countries, a bunch of them.

00:54:46.120 So let's start with the U.S. 0.58

00:54:47.180 I think he realistically understands that he and Mr. Trump will never get along, and he's firing very hard because it's helping his polling.

00:54:53.820 Oh, yeah, but it's losing points to Trump, not to Carney.

00:54:56.960 On Israel, he is accused of being part of the cartel that many Canadians feel were far too soft on the Moss and the protesters and the anti-Semitism that's rife.

00:55:06.740 We're the number one anti-Semitic country, according to data now, in the G7.

00:55:11.220 Yep.

00:55:12.080 Digest that.

00:55:12.760 Number three, Taiwan is begging for his attention, because Carney historically has done a lot of business, whether working in Canada or as a governor of the bank in Britain with China, and has generally been soft and nuanced and a conciliatory kind of guy with them.

00:55:27.960 And I think everybody understands, if China wants to take Taiwan, that the Trump era might be the best time to do it.

00:55:36.360 Yes.

00:55:36.720 So you've got that.

00:55:37.940 Russia and Putin, he has not said or done a lot.

00:55:43.380 He supports, you know, pro forma, you know, the Ukrainians, and will keep on doing whatever we can for them.

00:55:49.260 But that's very little, because we have very little military capacity, and we have very little money to offer them.

00:55:54.580 Mm-hmm.

00:55:55.840 So I think that covers anything else?

00:55:58.340 No, that's well said.

00:55:59.740 Well, I think that's more of an understanding of Mark Carney's globalist, to use the conservative's word, perspective, than anybody's been able to give in the Canadian media to date.

00:56:09.720 So well done.

00:56:10.780 So, John Mraz, thank you so much for your analysis.

00:56:13.800 I think you and I will be talking about a Canadian federal election campaign kicking off next weekend.

00:56:19.220 That's certainly what Lily and I believe.

00:56:21.340 We'll see if we're right.

00:56:22.320 But in the meantime, have a great day and a great week.

00:56:24.940 Thank you so much.

00:56:26.160 I go, I go.

00:56:26.720 I locked up all the open doors, shoved the window on the sky, the pouring rain, and I took the south wind out.

00:56:50.640 Driving through the night with a passenger beside any lass.

00:57:02.360 And the charm of the city life, when the poetry is in rhyme, people guard it so tight.

00:57:13.760 Easy, easy, easy, easy, easy, easy, rest your head.

00:57:19.760 And up the hill of you is uncertainty and better left unsaid.

00:57:26.640 Do whatever this may be, it's not as simple as a frost decree.

00:57:31.640 It's not as simple as a frost decree.

00:57:32.640 Do you like to know all the people and the places and the color of things?

00:57:33.640 Hey, what is this weather, babe?

00:57:34.640 It's looking all right.

00:57:35.640 It's looking all right.

00:57:36.640 It's looking all right.

00:57:37.640 It's looking all right.

00:57:38.640 It's looking all right.

00:57:39.640 It's looking all right.

00:57:40.640 It's looking all right.

00:57:41.640 I'm a wind.

00:57:42.640 It's not as simple as a frost decree.

00:57:43.640 It's not as simple as a frost decree.

00:57:44.640 It's not as simple as a frost decree.

00:57:46.640 It's not as simple as a frost decree.

00:57:48.640 Do you like to know all the people and the places and the color of things?

00:57:55.640 Hey, what is this weather, baby?

00:58:00.640 Oh, this is weather, baby

00:58:02.740 It's looking all right

00:58:04.880 It's looking all right

00:58:08.860 Would you like to know all the people you meet

00:58:14.940 All the places you've got home

00:58:17.560 Would you call me a kiss?

00:58:21.420 Would you call it peace?

00:58:30.640 Would you call me a kiss?

00:59:00.640 Would you like to know all the people and the places and the color of things?

00:59:23.960 Hey, what is this weather, baby?

00:59:26.480 It's looking all right

00:59:28.680 It's gonna be all right

00:59:32.640 Would you like to know all the people you meet

00:59:38.740 All the places you've got home

00:59:41.320 Would you call this peace?

00:59:45.160 Would you call me a kiss?

00:59:47.680 Would you like to know all the people you meet

01:00:05.640 Would you like to know all the people you meet

01:00:09.600 All the places you've got home

01:00:11.240 Would you call this peace?

01:00:15.560 Would you follow me?

01:00:17.460 This is CFRA Live

01:00:28.640 Sunday Political Panel

01:00:30.420 And welcome to it

01:00:34.120 Joining us for our Sunday Political Panel this morning

01:00:36.140 Carl Belanger is the president at Traction Strategies

01:00:38.620 Carl, good morning

01:00:39.380 Morning, Andrew

01:00:40.440 Warren Kinsella is a strategist and post-media columnist

01:00:43.020 You can read his latest in the Toronto Sun

01:00:44.940 Good morning, Warren

01:00:45.640 Morning, guys

01:00:46.900 And Tasha Carradine is a political columnist for the National Post

01:00:49.580 And a writer for GZERO Media

01:00:51.020 Tasha, good morning

01:00:51.980 Good morning

01:00:53.180 Spring has sprung here in Ottawa

01:00:54.960 It's a little bit warmer

01:00:55.940 But obviously there's been a lot of change

01:00:57.820 Over the course of the past, well, 72 hours

01:01:00.300 So let's just start

01:01:01.280 We've got Mark Carney sworn in on Friday

01:01:03.120 Carbon tax erased

01:01:04.940 New cabinet

01:01:05.840 And our first overseas trip that's planned so far

01:01:09.520 I guess, Warren, I'll start with you

01:01:11.140 In terms of these first moves

01:01:12.860 Is he heading in the right direction?

01:01:14.340 The new Prime Minister, Mr. Carney

01:01:15.700 Or what have you seen so far?

01:01:18.600 We've seen a lot of very interesting symbolism

01:01:21.260 So the, you know, so-called killing of the carbon tax

01:01:25.240 He did it the way Donald Trump does his executive orders, you know

01:01:29.680 I mean, all that was missing was a Sharpie

01:01:32.080 This very performative signing of some very simple statement

01:01:36.820 And then sending that out

01:01:37.860 Very Trumpian

01:01:38.820 The second big symbol is where he's going

01:01:42.780 He's not going to meet with Trump

01:01:44.200 It's going to Britain 0.94

01:01:45.920 Going to France

01:01:47.060 Going to Nunavut, I think

01:01:48.260 So basically going to the, you know

01:01:50.840 The three ancestral homelands

01:01:53.080 Of the Canadian people first 1.00

01:01:55.360 You know, that's what he's doing first

01:01:57.620 So a lot of symbolism there

01:01:59.520 That quite frankly I didn't expect

01:02:01.320 Of a former banker

01:02:02.840 Bankers aren't noted for that kind of

01:02:05.460 Political sophistication

01:02:07.260 Maybe some of the people around him

01:02:09.080 But they're smart moves, I think

01:02:12.000 Because, you know, just

01:02:13.040 Hurrying down cap and hand

01:02:15.300 To Mar-a-Lago

01:02:16.300 Like Mr. Trudeau did

01:02:18.620 Some months ago

01:02:20.300 Was, I think, we all now realize

01:02:22.500 A big mistake

01:02:23.200 It showed weakness, not strength

01:02:24.800 So I think that's what he's doing

01:02:26.760 I think he's trying to show some symbolism

01:02:28.980 And so far, so good

01:02:31.060 It feels like it's more driving the conversation

01:02:33.460 Instead of waiting for events to happen

01:02:35.320 In some ways

01:02:35.960 So kind of taking, trying it

01:02:37.260 At least anyway

01:02:37.960 I don't know if it's successful

01:02:38.880 But trying to take control of the narrative

01:02:40.880 In some way

01:02:41.460 Carl, you know, it's been a

01:02:43.220 Kind of a flurry of the first few days here

01:02:44.960 But does anything stick out to you

01:02:46.220 In terms of, you know, cabinet

01:02:47.640 That decision to kind of forego

01:02:49.300 A U.S. visit

01:02:50.040 What's kind of stuck out to you so far?

01:02:52.540 Well, I mean

01:02:53.760 He has answered

01:02:55.500 He has to make decisions

01:02:56.540 And, you know, some of the decisions

01:02:58.720 That he's making

01:02:59.440 Including who's in cabinet

01:03:01.160 Who's not

01:03:01.800 Picking winners and losers

01:03:02.980 You know, it's making some people upset

01:03:05.340 So we'll see if that will

01:03:07.000 Create any kind of damage

01:03:09.080 If it's going to be a threat

01:03:11.700 Or if the Liberals are so happy

01:03:14.200 To be rid of Trudeau

01:03:15.640 That they will accept anything

01:03:17.400 From Carney right now

01:03:18.840 Because he clearly is their best hope

01:03:21.880 To defeat

01:03:22.840 The Conservatives

01:03:24.260 To stay in power

01:03:25.420 But clearly

01:03:27.060 When you start making decisions

01:03:28.580 Some people are upset

01:03:30.940 Warren referenced

01:03:32.620 The executive order

01:03:35.420 Like

01:03:36.260 Signature of this document

01:03:38.740 Which has no legal value

01:03:40.080 It's not the way it works in Canada

01:03:41.700 But

01:03:42.040 For propaganda

01:03:43.280 For, you know

01:03:44.360 For political showmanship

01:03:45.520 It's certainly feeling a buzz

01:03:47.840 A lot of people are upset about that

01:03:49.440 Is that going to backfire?

01:03:51.260 I don't know

01:03:51.740 But

01:03:52.840 It's interesting

01:03:53.780 Because he's really

01:03:55.040 Clearly

01:03:56.280 Trying to establish a contrast

01:03:57.880 With

01:03:58.340 Justin Trudeau

01:03:59.580 And to keep that contrast going

01:04:00.960 To

01:04:01.900 Inuculate himself

01:04:03.120 Against the

01:04:03.780 Just like Justin

01:04:04.980 Messaging

01:04:05.660 Emanating from the Conservatives

01:04:07.320 Yeah

01:04:07.900 Another one you could argue too

01:04:09.060 That has some people

01:04:09.800 In the party upset

01:04:10.460 Some I should say

01:04:11.340 But

01:04:11.540 Karina Gould

01:04:12.160 Left out of the cabinet

01:04:13.060 In this time around

01:04:14.160 So

01:04:14.380 That's kind of

01:04:15.160 An interesting point too

01:04:16.060 That could 0.68

01:04:16.480 I don't know

01:04:17.340 If it hurts or helps

01:04:18.120 But it's something

01:04:18.840 Tasha

01:04:19.900 What have you

01:04:20.500 Kind of taken

01:04:20.940 Out of the

01:04:21.360 The first few days

01:04:22.180 Of the 24th

01:04:23.400 Prime Minister

01:04:23.840 I suppose

01:04:24.380 I was going to mention

01:04:26.120 Karina Gould

01:04:26.680 Being left out

01:04:27.360 I mean

01:04:27.640 Karina Gould

01:04:28.240 Really underperformed

01:04:29.840 In the leadership race

01:04:30.740 So

01:04:31.160 To say she has

01:04:32.220 A massive following

01:04:33.500 In the Liberal Party

01:04:34.180 Would probably be

01:04:34.660 An overstatement

01:04:35.280 I think though

01:04:36.560 She's seen as

01:04:38.700 The very highly

01:04:39.320 Progressive wing

01:04:40.660 And that's the role

01:04:41.300 She played in leadership

01:04:42.140 And he wants to

01:04:43.220 Distance himself

01:04:43.840 From that

01:04:44.600 He does not want

01:04:45.240 To look like

01:04:45.800 He is the

01:04:46.920 You know

01:04:47.460 The tree hugger

01:04:48.480 And that is

01:04:50.160 The Trudeau line

01:04:51.600 Of attack

01:04:52.000 Just like Justin

01:04:52.780 Doesn't stick

01:04:53.460 If he's not

01:04:54.240 At the same time

01:04:55.300 He puts Stephen Gilbo

01:04:56.260 In charge of Quebec 0.89

01:04:57.060 And back in Heritage

01:04:58.760 I don't know why

01:05:00.460 He did that

01:05:01.160 Stephen Gilbo

01:05:02.140 Is arch progressive too

01:05:03.800 Especially on the environment

01:05:05.420 And I don't see him

01:05:07.160 As an organizer in Quebec

01:05:08.100 That choice is mystifying to me

01:05:10.300 I don't see how he's

01:05:11.660 A very inspiring figure

01:05:12.880 Either for the Quebec team

01:05:14.140 But maybe I'm wrong

01:05:15.100 But I

01:05:15.560 You know

01:05:16.100 Again

01:05:16.740 That was

01:05:17.420 That was an odd choice

01:05:18.620 To me

01:05:19.080 To keep him around

01:05:19.960 And put him in that

01:05:21.500 In that position

01:05:22.200 I think with the other stuff

01:05:23.960 Going to Europe

01:05:24.980 Is obviously the smart move

01:05:26.400 And the executive order

01:05:28.540 Like signing

01:05:29.380 As all of the conservatives

01:05:31.340 In a tizzy

01:05:31.980 Just trying to explain

01:05:32.980 What an ordering council is

01:05:34.220 Which the average person

01:05:35.300 Doesn't care

01:05:36.040 Right

01:05:36.600 Like again

01:05:37.600 He's got them

01:05:38.560 Running in circles

01:05:39.320 On an arcane point

01:05:41.440 Of nothing

01:05:41.940 And all people know

01:05:44.200 Is that

01:05:44.560 Gee he got rid of

01:05:45.460 The carbon tax

01:05:46.180 Even though it's not true

01:05:47.060 He just put it to zero

01:05:48.380 It's not gone

01:05:49.080 But again

01:05:50.140 It's a symbolism

01:05:51.060 It's what people will see

01:05:52.260 And it also sends a message

01:05:53.240 To Donald Trump

01:05:53.940 That hey

01:05:54.380 You know what

01:05:54.880 I can write executive orders too

01:05:57.060 Right

01:05:57.420 It's kind of

01:05:58.380 Mano a mano

01:05:59.480 Faying positioning

01:06:01.020 But at the same time

01:06:02.120 The fact he's not going to go

01:06:03.400 He said

01:06:04.100 Until you respect us

01:06:05.420 Give us respect

01:06:06.060 I'm not meeting with you

01:06:07.200 I think that's the

01:06:08.300 Absolutely right answer

01:06:09.140 Like drop the 51st state rhetoric

01:06:10.940 Or why should I meet with you

01:06:12.680 I mean really

01:06:13.460 Excuse me

01:06:13.960 It's

01:06:14.260 You don't go to someone

01:06:15.820 Who insults you that way

01:06:16.780 And Melanie Jolie

01:06:18.000 Making it clear on Friday

01:06:19.260 I think it was as well

01:06:20.200 Saying this isn't even

01:06:20.980 On the table at this point

01:06:22.140 But you know

01:06:23.100 I guess a photo op

01:06:23.980 Is the best way

01:06:24.520 To get through to Donald Trump

01:06:25.600 In terms of messaging

01:06:26.600 I guess

01:06:27.760 Tash I'll start with you

01:06:28.620 On this one

01:06:29.240 Because as we kind of

01:06:30.420 Talked about

01:06:30.900 What we've been talking about

01:06:32.060 In terms of the cabinet

01:06:32.860 And what have you

01:06:33.740 There has been

01:06:34.780 Stephen Guibo

01:06:35.280 Is a good example

01:06:36.440 Of somebody that's in cabinet

01:06:37.580 That was in the past

01:06:38.500 Trudeau cabinet as well

01:06:39.600 I saw Pierre Paulyov

01:06:41.160 Kind of hitting on this

01:06:42.080 It was like 80%

01:06:43.160 Of something

01:06:43.680 Of the Trudeau cabinet

01:06:44.640 Ministers are within

01:06:45.440 This new cabinet

01:06:46.160 I know there's only

01:06:47.020 So many options

01:06:47.760 But is this going to be

01:06:49.800 Enough of a change

01:06:50.960 For Carney to take

01:06:51.880 To the Canadian people

01:06:52.760 At a general election

01:06:53.680 And say hey

01:06:54.280 We're not these guys

01:06:55.760 I think he has to put

01:06:57.720 Some other people

01:06:58.260 In the window too

01:06:58.940 That aren't these guys

01:07:00.020 As candidates

01:07:00.600 And I'm pretty sure

01:07:01.540 They're working on that

01:07:02.340 So I think that that's

01:07:03.580 Going to be where

01:07:03.960 The change comes from

01:07:04.800 He has to work

01:07:05.600 With what he's got

01:07:06.260 I mean he can't

01:07:07.140 Invent people

01:07:07.760 They don't exist right now

01:07:08.820 And there were rumors

01:07:10.020 He had talked to

01:07:10.520 Jean Charest

01:07:10.900 And Christy Clark

01:07:11.720 Was going to come in

01:07:12.400 I think that would have

01:07:13.320 Been a bridge too far

01:07:14.240 I think right now

01:07:15.900 He's

01:07:16.560 His cabinet's leaner

01:07:18.160 It's not necessarily

01:07:19.860 Meaner

01:07:20.460 But he can say

01:07:21.760 Look

01:07:22.040 I am my own guy

01:07:24.300 And I'm going to

01:07:25.240 Chart my own path

01:07:25.940 And here's the team

01:07:27.500 That we presented

01:07:27.960 For the election

01:07:28.520 Whatever that is

01:07:29.340 I'm sure will

01:07:30.560 Like I said

01:07:31.120 Include some new blood

01:07:32.420 And yeah

01:07:33.760 I think overall

01:07:34.940 He's performed very well

01:07:36.460 And the conservatives

01:07:37.060 I don't think this is

01:07:37.800 Going to be a change

01:07:38.620 Election anymore

01:07:39.280 That's the thing

01:07:40.040 Predicating it on change

01:07:41.700 Stop hitting on Trudeau

01:07:43.000 They're still fighting Trudeau

01:07:44.440 Trudeau's on a beach

01:07:45.520 At this point probably

01:07:46.740 Like he's gone

01:07:47.460 Right

01:07:47.900 And they can't seem

01:07:49.860 To wrap their heads

01:07:50.440 Around that

01:07:50.880 They think the ghost

01:07:51.860 Of Trudeau

01:07:52.320 Is still haunting them

01:07:53.200 Turn the page

01:07:54.880 It's gone

01:07:55.500 Yeah I can't remember

01:07:56.980 The columnist at this point

01:07:58.100 But I read a Globe and Mail

01:07:58.820 Column kind of referring

01:07:59.960 To you know

01:08:00.520 Pierre Pauli

01:08:00.980 And Justin Trudeau

01:08:01.680 As Bart Simpson

01:08:02.720 And Sideshow Bob

01:08:03.680 Right

01:08:03.960 You can't really have one

01:08:05.200 Without the other

01:08:05.840 And now that's kind of

01:08:06.640 You're kind of stuck

01:08:07.320 Without the two

01:08:08.040 Or you're kind of stuck

01:08:08.920 In this weird spot

01:08:10.500 Right now

01:08:10.980 Warren I guess

01:08:12.320 Is this enough of a change

01:08:14.220 As I was asking Tasha here

01:08:15.440 To take to the Canadian people 0.99

01:08:17.140 And say hey

01:08:17.640 We're not the Trudeau government

01:08:18.680 Or as Tasha kind of mentioned

01:08:20.540 Are we past that point

01:08:21.740 Where this is a change election

01:08:23.020 Where do you see this

01:08:24.080 Well obviously

01:08:25.940 Carney thinks

01:08:26.880 He was presenting change

01:08:28.520 At the cabinet shuffle

01:08:29.700 If I'd been advising them

01:08:31.260 I would have told them

01:08:32.140 To put it over

01:08:33.040 Put a big blanket over it

01:08:34.860 So nobody could see it at all

01:08:36.140 Because if we're being honest

01:08:37.680 With ourselves

01:08:38.380 When Gerald Butts

01:08:40.060 And the rest of them

01:08:40.840 Show up

01:08:41.420 It's not exactly

01:08:42.420 A change proposition

01:08:43.700 It's the same people

01:08:45.560 It's just a new leader

01:08:47.340 The thing that benefits them

01:08:49.620 Is that's the way

01:08:50.280 Most people vote

01:08:51.200 Is according to the leader

01:08:52.640 And the party affiliation

01:08:54.080 And most of the time

01:08:55.400 They don't have

01:08:56.180 A notion about

01:08:58.520 Who's in cabinet

01:08:59.560 Let alone

01:09:00.380 Who's a cabinet minister

01:09:02.060 So

01:09:03.020 It's not a change government

01:09:05.820 It's not a change proposition

01:09:07.600 As Tasha says

01:09:09.380 It's a focus on Carney

01:09:11.860 And Polyev

01:09:12.960 If you look at the polling

01:09:14.540 Right now

01:09:15.260 I don't want to get

01:09:16.300 Into the weeds

01:09:17.040 But you know

01:09:17.720 The IVR type polls

01:09:19.320 Favor

01:09:20.520 The liberal side

01:09:22.880 The traditional pollsters

01:09:24.620 Favor the conservative side

01:09:26.340 My gut tells me

01:09:28.220 The conservatives

01:09:29.040 Are still moderately ahead

01:09:31.520 Maybe within the margin of error

01:09:33.380 They've got more money

01:09:35.000 They've got more army

01:09:36.420 On the ground

01:09:37.060 I've got a column

01:09:37.860 About this today

01:09:38.640 In post media

01:09:39.400 I think they've got

01:09:40.780 More strength

01:09:41.660 For E-Day 0.59

01:09:42.580 But the liberals

01:09:43.760 Have the best message

01:09:44.900 Which is

01:09:45.620 If you're concerned

01:09:46.500 About Donald Trump

01:09:47.520 Do you want us

01:09:48.860 Or do you want

01:09:49.600 The guy over there

01:09:50.520 Who wears a red hat

01:09:51.640 When he goes home at night

01:09:52.820 And you know

01:09:54.620 If the ballot question

01:09:55.560 Continues to be Trump

01:09:57.080 I give the edge

01:09:58.560 To the liberals

01:09:59.160 And I have no doubt

01:10:01.320 That they would like

01:10:02.000 The ballot box question

01:10:02.960 To continue to be Trump

01:10:04.100 Carl

01:10:04.900 I guess

01:10:05.640 Has the

01:10:06.560 We've talked about

01:10:07.660 How the political situation

01:10:08.700 And the shift here

01:10:09.900 Has happened over

01:10:10.480 The past few weeks

01:10:11.280 Is this a change election

01:10:12.900 In your mind

01:10:14.220 Has Carney done enough

01:10:15.060 To distance himself

01:10:15.860 From Trudeau

01:10:16.460 I guess

01:10:16.760 How do you see him

01:10:17.980 Coming into this

01:10:18.680 Upcoming election campaign

01:10:20.960 Whenever that happens

01:10:21.880 I don't think

01:10:22.860 It's a change election

01:10:23.760 The way it was before

01:10:25.240 It became a Trump election

01:10:27.500 Because that's what

01:10:28.220 It's going to be about

01:10:29.020 It's going to be about

01:10:29.980 Donald Trump

01:10:30.640 And on that front

01:10:32.780 The messaging coming out

01:10:34.180 Of the conservatives

01:10:34.920 Is not good enough

01:10:37.100 And I think they know it

01:10:39.380 But they just don't know

01:10:40.140 How to pivot

01:10:40.700 They missed a huge opportunity

01:10:43.900 When there was this

01:10:45.440 You know

01:10:46.000 Freeing moment

01:10:46.840 While Justin Trudeau

01:10:48.260 Resigned

01:10:49.540 And there was

01:10:50.200 A village appraised

01:10:51.060 And there was a vacuum

01:10:51.880 At the federal level

01:10:52.880 And Pierre Poirier

01:10:54.080 Could have stepped up

01:10:55.120 He could have done

01:10:55.980 The circuit

01:10:56.480 In the States

01:10:57.560 Done on Fox News

01:10:58.700 And CNN

01:10:59.280 And become

01:10:59.800 Captain Canada

01:11:00.660 Instead

01:11:02.400 It was kind of

01:11:03.160 The same business

01:11:03.800 As usual

01:11:04.340 And just like

01:11:05.080 Justin's stuff

01:11:06.080 And I don't think

01:11:07.260 It worked

01:11:07.680 He could not

01:11:08.520 Seize the moment

01:11:09.200 Doug Ford did

01:11:10.040 He was everywhere

01:11:11.980 He certainly got

01:11:13.440 The White House attention

01:11:14.520 But Pierre Poirier didn't

01:11:16.980 And missed opportunity

01:11:18.400 For them

01:11:18.960 I think

01:11:20.440 Like Warren

01:11:21.060 That they are still

01:11:22.020 Slightly ahead

01:11:23.060 That they still

01:11:23.840 Have an advantage

01:11:24.620 But the gap

01:11:27.180 Is closing fast

01:11:28.220 And Mark Carney

01:11:30.520 Now knows

01:11:31.800 That he cannot

01:11:32.480 Stay in there

01:11:33.380 And just govern

01:11:34.200 For months

01:11:34.960 You know

01:11:35.640 He has to

01:11:36.660 Tease the momentum

01:11:37.800 And call an election

01:11:39.180 Soon

01:11:39.560 So it will happen

01:11:40.560 Within the next 10 days

01:11:42.080 And just a good

01:11:43.320 Contrast

01:11:43.780 Of strategies

01:11:44.320 There

01:11:44.540 With Ford

01:11:45.160 Ford and

01:11:45.720 Poliev

01:11:46.080 In this

01:11:46.500 Kind of

01:11:46.900 Moment

01:11:47.240 Right now

01:11:47.760 We've heard

01:11:49.200 The Conservatives

01:11:49.700 And Carl

01:11:50.280 You know

01:11:50.560 Tasha mentioned

01:11:51.240 That order

01:11:51.680 And council

01:11:52.240 And how

01:11:52.740 That's become

01:11:53.680 A big thing

01:11:54.260 The Conservatives

01:11:54.780 Are kind of

01:11:55.100 Latching on to

01:11:55.680 Do they need

01:11:57.680 To take some time

01:11:58.240 To kind of

01:11:58.620 Figure out

01:11:59.000 Where to shoot

01:11:59.800 Here

01:12:00.060 Or take some time

01:12:00.880 To figure out

01:12:01.500 Where to go here

01:12:02.740 With their messaging

01:12:03.420 Because it does

01:12:04.480 Seem like they

01:12:04.940 Need to pivot

01:12:05.500 But I just don't

01:12:06.100 Know how they

01:12:06.700 Get the message

01:12:07.380 To Canadians

01:12:07.900 That they're going

01:12:08.480 To be the best

01:12:09.240 Government

01:12:10.040 To handle

01:12:11.020 Trump at this

01:12:11.660 Moment

01:12:11.920 That's right

01:12:13.560 Because their

01:12:14.080 Main messaging

01:12:14.640 Was that they

01:12:15.400 You know

01:12:15.880 That they

01:12:16.480 Were going to

01:12:17.240 Be other

01:12:17.880 Than Justin

01:12:18.740 Trudeau

01:12:19.200 But we already

01:12:20.320 Have solved

01:12:20.860 That part of

01:12:21.440 The equation

01:12:21.980 And

01:12:23.020 Carbon tax

01:12:24.360 Too

01:12:24.660 Yeah exactly

01:12:26.020 So they need

01:12:27.720 To figure it out

01:12:28.320 But they don't

01:12:28.680 Have a lot of

01:12:29.120 Time

01:12:29.480 So the

01:12:31.340 Knee jerk 0.52

01:12:32.240 Reflex

01:12:32.840 That they have

01:12:33.820 To kind of

01:12:35.660 Keep going

01:12:36.340 And fighting

01:12:36.740 The previous

01:12:37.480 War

01:12:37.940 No I don't

01:12:39.140 Think it's

01:12:39.520 Going to work

01:12:40.000 For our campaign

01:12:40.900 Now there's

01:12:42.200 A lot of

01:12:42.520 Smart people

01:12:43.160 Around Pierre

01:12:44.200 Poitiers

01:12:44.580 And there's

01:12:45.520 People that

01:12:46.080 Have proven

01:12:46.500 In the past

01:12:46.920 That they

01:12:47.140 Can win

01:12:47.580 But they

01:12:49.840 Will need

01:12:50.380 To do

01:12:50.840 This quickly

01:12:51.500 Because they

01:12:52.200 Won't have

01:12:52.560 The luxury

01:12:53.020 Like Donald

01:12:54.060 Trump had

01:12:54.720 To have

01:12:55.080 You know

01:12:55.500 Weeks and

01:12:56.280 Months of

01:12:56.680 Campaign to

01:12:57.300 Refocus the

01:12:58.120 Message and

01:12:59.080 To find the

01:12:59.640 Weakness in

01:13:00.460 Their opponent

01:13:02.120 Because you

01:13:02.680 Know it's not

01:13:03.760 Unsimilar to

01:13:04.320 What happened

01:13:04.660 In the states

01:13:05.220 Like they

01:13:05.660 Did a switch

01:13:06.240 Or two on

01:13:06.920 Their main

01:13:07.280 Candidate

01:13:07.800 On the

01:13:08.700 Democrat

01:13:10.600 Did with

01:13:11.240 Carolina Harris

01:13:11.920 Coming in

01:13:12.580 So that's

01:13:13.440 Kind of what

01:13:13.780 They're doing

01:13:14.240 Here the

01:13:14.860 Liberals

01:13:15.240 With Mark

01:13:15.740 Carney

01:13:16.060 But the

01:13:17.460 Campaign here

01:13:18.200 Will last

01:13:18.800 36 days

01:13:20.260 You add

01:13:20.680 10 more

01:13:21.120 Days

01:13:21.440 To that

01:13:22.640 From now

01:13:23.460 And between

01:13:23.960 The call

01:13:24.920 And that's it

01:13:26.160 So they

01:13:27.820 Have to

01:13:28.160 Pounce

01:13:28.520 And they

01:13:28.880 Have to

01:13:29.140 Figure it

01:13:29.600 Out quickly

01:13:30.220 Or else

01:13:30.920 And Warren

01:13:32.660 Is there

01:13:33.040 Something they

01:13:33.900 Should be

01:13:34.240 Pointing to

01:13:35.220 In terms of

01:13:35.760 Just a

01:13:36.120 Strategy here

01:13:36.780 Because you

01:13:37.540 Know there's

01:13:37.820 The outrage

01:13:38.480 Over the

01:13:38.800 Order and

01:13:39.160 Council and

01:13:39.680 Things like

01:13:40.020 That but it

01:13:40.420 Also feels

01:13:40.840 Like if

01:13:41.160 Everything is

01:13:41.840 A scandal

01:13:42.260 It's hard

01:13:42.680 To kind of

01:13:43.020 Break through

01:13:43.480 Some of the

01:13:43.900 Noise here

01:13:44.320 And get

01:13:44.620 Your message

01:13:45.020 To Canadians

01:13:45.600 So what

01:13:47.160 Would you

01:13:47.480 Tell the

01:13:47.800 Conservatives

01:13:48.900 To do here

01:13:50.460 In terms of

01:13:50.900 Trying to

01:13:51.260 Get that

01:13:51.540 Message out

01:13:52.060 Or maybe

01:13:52.520 Things to

01:13:53.080 Stop doing

01:13:54.020 Yeah no

01:13:55.200 When you

01:13:55.520 Treat everything

01:13:56.140 Like a

01:13:56.520 Scandal

01:13:56.860 Then nothing

01:13:57.340 Is a

01:13:57.720 Scandal

01:13:58.100 And people

01:13:58.900 Have heard

01:13:59.300 Those allegations

01:14:00.240 Too many

01:14:01.220 Times as I

01:14:02.020 Like to say

01:14:02.680 They only

01:14:03.520 Pay attention

01:14:04.140 When they

01:14:04.520 Seen you

01:14:04.880 In handcuffs

01:14:05.720 Being led

01:14:06.320 Away in an

01:14:06.780 Orange

01:14:07.020 Pantsuit

01:14:07.640 It's the

01:14:08.020 Only time

01:14:08.340 They pay

01:14:08.640 Attention to

01:14:09.200 Scandal

01:14:09.660 The Conservative

01:14:11.340 Party

01:14:11.860 It's too

01:14:13.380 Late for

01:14:14.340 Them to

01:14:14.760 Pivot

01:14:15.080 It's too

01:14:16.040 Late

01:14:16.260 Like Carl

01:14:16.740 Says we

01:14:17.240 Are days

01:14:17.820 Away from

01:14:18.320 The writ

01:14:18.680 Dropping

01:14:19.220 Days

01:14:20.360 And the

01:14:20.980 Conservative

01:14:21.420 Party

01:14:21.880 Needed to

01:14:22.440 Execute

01:14:23.060 A pirouette 0.95

01:14:23.760 By now

01:14:24.280 And this

01:14:25.100 Juvenile

01:14:26.160 Just like

01:14:26.940 Justin

01:14:27.380 Stuff

01:14:27.740 Like you

01:14:28.360 Know

01:14:28.700 Well I'll

01:14:29.500 Confess to

01:14:30.060 Have made

01:14:31.220 You know

01:14:31.780 Some negative

01:14:32.480 Ads over

01:14:32.980 The years

01:14:33.340 I'll leave it

01:14:34.020 To my

01:14:34.260 Colleagues

01:14:34.580 To decide

01:14:35.060 Whether they

01:14:35.420 Want to

01:14:35.720 Confess that

01:14:36.400 But the

01:14:38.100 One thing

01:14:38.440 I've learned

01:14:38.800 About doing

01:14:39.340 It negative

01:14:39.860 Ads

01:14:40.400 Negative

01:14:40.700 Spots

01:14:41.420 Is they

01:14:42.180 Have to

01:14:42.500 Have an

01:14:42.740 Essential

01:14:43.160 Truth at

01:14:43.820 The center

01:14:44.280 Of them

01:14:44.780 Right

01:14:45.640 They for

01:14:46.440 Sure they

01:14:46.880 Can be

01:14:47.180 Critical

01:14:47.640 But this

01:14:48.600 Critical

01:14:49.100 Message

01:14:49.560 Just like

01:14:50.220 Justin

01:14:50.680 It's

01:14:51.560 Not

01:14:51.800 True

01:14:52.200 There's

01:14:52.640 Nobody

01:14:52.960 In the

01:14:53.320 Country

01:14:53.740 That believes

01:14:54.480 This bland

01:14:55.200 Boring

01:14:55.780 Banker

01:14:56.480 Is anything

01:14:57.600 Like Justin

01:14:58.660 Trudeau

01:14:59.260 He could

01:14:59.880 Not be

01:15:00.260 More

01:15:00.500 Different

01:15:00.880 All they

01:15:01.360 Share

01:15:01.640 Is a

01:15:01.980 Gender

01:15:02.360 So the

01:15:03.360 Essential

01:15:03.900 Allegation

01:15:04.860 That the

01:15:05.200 Conservatives

01:15:05.840 Have been

01:15:06.100 Making

01:15:06.420 Before

01:15:06.820 Carney

01:15:07.260 Even

01:15:07.540 Became

01:15:07.920 Leader

01:15:08.320 Is just

01:15:09.380 Not so

01:15:10.120 And now

01:15:11.040 They're

01:15:11.260 Panicked

01:15:11.660 You can

01:15:11.980 Tell

01:15:12.320 They're

01:15:12.560 Panicked

01:15:13.120 They are

01:15:13.700 Freaking

01:15:14.120 Out

01:15:14.520 Trying to

01:15:15.280 Figure

01:15:15.460 You know

01:15:15.720 They're in

01:15:16.000 That

01:15:16.160 Traditional

01:15:16.560 Position

01:15:17.080 Of

01:15:17.320 Oh

01:15:17.940 You know

01:15:18.320 You've

01:15:18.620 Got

01:15:18.760 Trump

01:15:19.060 Derangement 0.84

01:15:19.640 Syndrome

01:15:20.000 And the

01:15:20.360 Polls

01:15:20.680 Are all

01:15:20.960 Wrong

01:15:21.320 You know

01:15:21.600 Me

01:15:21.800 A guy

01:15:22.200 With 30

01:15:22.680 Followers

01:15:23.240 On twitter

01:15:23.860 Living in

01:15:24.660 My mother's

01:15:25.140 Basement

01:15:25.520 I have

01:15:25.800 A better

01:15:26.100 Sense

01:15:26.460 Of what

01:15:26.740 Canadians

01:15:27.180 Think

01:15:27.700 You know

01:15:28.420 We're

01:15:28.620 Just a

01:15:29.780 Few

01:15:29.960 Days

01:15:30.240 Away

01:15:30.440 From the

01:15:30.760 Final

01:15:31.060 Stage

01:15:31.440 Where

01:15:31.620 People

01:15:31.900 In

01:15:32.060 Alberta

01:15:32.400 And

01:15:32.600 Saskatchewan

01:15:33.160 Start

01:15:33.760 Talking

01:15:34.120 About

01:15:34.420 Separating

01:15:35.260 From the

01:15:35.640 Rest of

01:15:36.260 Canada

01:15:36.560 If they

01:15:36.880 Don't

01:15:37.000 Get

01:15:37.180 What

01:15:37.340 They

01:15:37.480 Want

01:15:37.840 Like

01:15:38.480 You can

01:15:38.960 Set

01:15:39.260 Your

01:15:39.440 Watch

01:15:39.780 By

01:15:40.040 This

01:15:40.260 Stuff

01:15:40.640 And

01:15:41.100 What's

01:15:41.340 Amazing

01:15:41.820 To me

01:15:42.420 Is that

01:15:42.820 The

01:15:42.960 Conservative

01:15:43.420 Party

01:15:43.940 Completely

01:15:44.760 Flubbed

01:15:45.360 It

01:15:45.560 In

01:15:45.940 Terms

01:15:46.300 Of

01:15:46.440 Dealing

01:15:46.840 With

01:15:47.260 What

01:15:47.840 Is 0.88

01:15:48.220 Big

01:15:48.620 Change

01:15:49.120 In

01:15:49.420 Our

01:15:49.580 Politics

01:15:50.180 Which

01:15:50.760 Is 0.88

01:15:50.900 The

01:15:51.040 Arrival

01:15:51.440 Of

01:15:51.600 Mark

01:15:51.820 Carney

01:15:52.120 It

01:15:53.160 Does

01:15:53.340 Feel

01:15:53.520 Like

01:15:53.660 The

01:15:54.180 Nice

01:15:54.540 Hair

01:15:54.800 Though

01:15:55.100 Ads

01:15:55.480 From

01:15:55.680 Back

01:15:55.920 In

01:15:56.060 2014

01:15:56.640 2015

01:15:57.180 To

01:15:57.700 It

01:15:58.220 Doesn't

01:15:58.500 Seem

01:15:58.740 To

01:15:59.180 Resonate

01:15:59.880 With

01:16:00.020 Some

01:16:00.220 Attach

01:16:01.000 Where

01:16:01.740 Do

01:16:01.860 The

01:16:01.960 Conservative

01:16:02.280 Messages

01:16:02.700 Need

01:16:02.920 To

01:16:02.980 Be

01:16:03.120 Attacking

01:16:03.880 Here

01:16:04.060 Because

01:16:04.260 It

01:16:04.680 Feels

01:16:04.900 Like

01:16:05.060 There

01:16:10.260 Well

01:16:11.140 I

01:16:11.300 Think

01:16:11.480 It

01:16:11.600 Less

01:16:11.900 Attacking

01:16:12.860 As

01:16:13.140 Proposing

01:16:13.960 And

01:16:14.160 This

01:16:14.340 Is 0.88

01:16:14.480 The

01:16:14.620 Problem

01:16:15.040 The

01:16:15.300 Conservatives

01:16:15.620 Have

01:16:15.700 Been

01:16:15.780 In

01:16:15.880 Attack

01:16:16.200 Mode

01:16:16.380 For

01:16:16.520 Two

01:16:16.760 Years

01:16:17.160 And

01:16:17.680 It

01:16:17.780 Had

01:16:17.900 A

01:16:18.020 Lot

01:16:18.220 To

01:16:18.400 A

01:16:18.580 Lot

01:16:18.780 Of

01:16:18.860 Material

01:16:19.200 To

01:16:19.580 Work

01:16:19.800 With

01:16:20.060 And

01:16:20.520 Now

01:16:20.720 They're

01:16:20.900 Working

01:16:21.240 They're

01:16:21.460 Doing

01:16:21.600 The

01:16:21.720 Same

01:16:21.880 Thing

01:16:22.080 We're

01:16:22.240 Going

01:16:22.320 To

01:16:22.380 Negative

01:16:22.800 And

01:16:23.040 We're

01:16:23.160 Going

01:16:23.240 To

01:16:23.320 Work

01:16:23.520 With

01:16:23.660 What

01:16:23.820 There

01:16:24.020 Is 0.88

01:16:24.320 They're

01:16:26.060 Attacking

01:16:26.460 Him

01:16:26.800 For

01:16:27.120 Being

01:16:27.520 A

01:16:28.020 Globalist

01:16:28.760 Right

01:16:29.220 So

01:16:30.060 Okay

01:16:30.780 A

01:16:31.120 Globalist

01:16:31.700 In

01:16:32.400 Pre

01:16:32.880 In

01:16:33.040 The

01:16:33.140 Trudeau

01:16:33.500 Days

01:16:33.820 The

01:16:34.000 Associated

01:16:34.440 With

01:16:34.600 Trudeau

01:16:35.120 Top

01:16:36.240 Down

01:16:36.680 Controlling

01:16:37.260 Whatever

01:16:37.640 But

01:16:38.320 Now

01:16:38.700 A

01:16:38.880 Globalist

01:16:39.280 Is 0.88

01:16:39.400 Someone

01:16:39.580 Who's

01:16:39.840 Going

01:16:39.960 To

01:16:40.020 Get

01:16:40.180 Us

01:16:40.380 Contract

01:16:40.900 Trade

01:16:41.540 Deals

01:16:41.880 With

01:16:42.080 Other

01:16:42.340 Parts

01:16:42.620 Of

01:16:42.700 The

01:16:42.780 World

01:16:43.000 Because

01:16:43.240 Our

01:16:43.380 Main

01:16:43.520 Trading

01:16:43.820 Partner

01:16:44.060 Hates

01:16:44.360 Us

01:16:44.620 Is 0.88

01:16:45.280 That

01:16:45.420 A

01:16:45.520 Bad

01:16:45.700 Thing

01:16:45.940 So

01:16:46.520 Attacking

01:16:47.060 Him

01:16:47.260 For

01:16:47.380 Some

01:16:47.540 Of

01:16:47.640 The

01:16:47.740 Things

01:16:47.960 That

01:16:48.100 Are

01:16:48.140 Actually

01:16:48.420 Strength

01:16:48.980 That

01:16:49.460 They

01:16:49.580 Think

01:16:49.960 See

01:16:50.160 In

01:16:50.300 Their

01:16:50.460 Mind

01:16:50.800 They

01:16:51.000 Think

01:16:51.180 These

01:16:51.340 Things

01:16:51.580 Are

01:17:01.700 EF

01:17:02.240 Right

01:17:02.660 Which

01:17:03.180 Is 0.88

01:17:03.360 What

01:17:03.580 Poliev

01:17:04.920 Has

01:17:05.140 Said

01:17:05.380 Well

01:17:06.480 That

01:17:06.640 Is 0.88

01:17:06.700 A

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01:25:59.500 In first place, the next Prime Minister of Canada, Mark Carney, with 131,674 votes, resulting in 29,457 allocated points,

01:26:25.680 representing 85.9% of the votes.

01:26:31.280 Well, that was it. With that announcement, Mark Carney replaced Justin Trudeau as the leader of the Liberal Party of Canada and our Prime Minister-designate.

01:26:41.140 Here with far more incisive opinion than I is Warren Kinsella, former special advisor to one of the speakers yesterday at the Liberal event, Jean Chrétien and CEO of the Daisy Group.

01:26:52.520 Welcome to the show, my friend.

01:26:54.300 Good morning, sir.

01:26:55.020 Okay, so what number should we be paying attention to?

01:26:57.860 The 85.9% of the vote on the first ballot, which is a crushing victory, or the 131,674 votes, which, you know, given how many registered voters there are in Canada,

01:27:11.960 that's a small pond relative to the larger fight that is before him in a general election.

01:27:18.500 I'm going to be a contrarian, as usual, and say neither number matters.

01:27:21.940 They're both in the rearview mirror at this point.

01:27:24.100 The number that matters is the one we haven't seen yet, which is what kind of honeymoon bump is Mark Carney going to get out of that huge victory that he got last night?

01:27:37.240 Like, everybody gets a honeymoon bump.

01:27:40.500 Yeah.

01:27:40.620 Even people like Mark, you know, Michael Ignatieff and Stefan Dio, everybody gets one.

01:27:45.880 Yeah.

01:27:46.000 The question I've got is how much, and it really matters because all the polling showing that Polyev and Carney are largely tied or Polyev's slightly ahead.

01:27:56.660 Yeah.

01:27:56.780 That change is a consequence of last night.

01:27:59.200 That's what I'm looking for.

01:28:00.120 Now, I think we could all agree that Chrystia Freeland's campaign was not strong, but I didn't think it was 8%.

01:28:08.020 Like, I didn't think that by the end of this, that was what she was going to come home with.

01:28:13.060 That's, what does that speak to?

01:28:15.620 Me neither.

01:28:16.140 I was shocked, I think, with a lot of other folks.

01:28:20.300 You know, I think the early indicator was that she wasn't traveling the country.

01:28:25.560 She was doing meetings by Zoom, and that would maybe make sense if you were still a cabinet minister, but she wasn't even a cabinet minister anymore.

01:28:34.360 So, I think that was an indication that they knew that they were in some trouble.

01:28:38.860 But, like you point out, like, to get, that is just a pounding.

01:28:43.380 Yeah.

01:28:43.640 I felt badly for her.

01:28:45.040 But it, you know, it fits with my traditional rule, is that, you know, Brutus may have taken out Caesar, but Brutus was never rewarded for it.

01:28:52.620 You know, if you're the one who takes out the leader, you rarely become the leader yourself.

01:28:59.060 And that's certainly the case with Chrystia Freeland. 0.89

01:29:01.680 I think a lot of liberals were grateful that she belled the cat, and she was the one who mainly took out Justin Trudeau, but they didn't want to reward her for doing that interesting dynamic.

01:29:12.600 You know, I think for a lot of people, the bloom was off the rose with Justin Trudeau.

01:29:18.760 Last night was his farewell.

01:29:21.920 And sort of the style of Justin Trudeau has now left the building to make way for the Mark Carney of it all.

01:29:29.400 And he is, as I've said many times, if Justin Trudeau was all about the sizzle, then Mark Carney is all about the steak.

01:29:36.520 He's about the substance.

01:29:37.520 He's not a rousing speaker.

01:29:40.100 But what did you make of his speech?

01:29:41.920 It was boring.

01:29:43.600 Yeah.

01:29:43.940 Oh, my God.

01:29:45.000 It was boring.

01:29:46.020 You know, I joked.

01:29:47.100 But for some people, that might be a good thing.

01:29:49.140 Yeah.

01:29:49.380 Well, no, that's the point.

01:29:50.460 You know, I said to my colleague at Post Media, Tasha Karen, and I was like, oh, my God, it's like watching a bowl of tapioca with this guy.

01:29:58.420 And she said, and she's right, you know, maybe that's what the country wants.

01:30:02.940 Maybe that's what people are after.

01:30:04.960 You know, Donald Trump is like this, you know, Tasmanian devil on Benzedrine, and it just never stops. 0.90

01:30:11.440 So maybe people are looking for somebody who's a little dull and plodding and a lot like a banker.

01:30:17.360 So, you know, that works to Carney's advantage.

01:30:20.880 But I still think, and as you and I have talked about this before, I think Polly Eve and Blanchett are going to absolutely razor him in the leaders debates, which will be happening in, I suspect, the next few weeks.

01:30:33.600 Well, that was going to be my next question, because you've got Jagmeet Singh and his NDP support cratering around the country.

01:30:40.400 A lot of those votes up for grabs, most probably from the liberals.

01:30:45.240 How soon do you think he needs to call an election or wants to call an election?

01:30:49.540 He's got to go right now.

01:30:50.860 He'd be they'd be crazy to wait.

01:30:52.800 You know, getting back to what I was saying a minute ago, he's got momentum from Trudeau leaving.

01:30:56.800 He's got momentum from a leadership race that took place and they got lots of uncritical coverage.

01:31:03.320 You know, Polly Eve disappeared and now he's going to get some momentum from his leadership bump.

01:31:08.080 They would be nuts not to go right away because, you know, Donald Trump may go off and chase some new chew toy and start focusing on Panama or Greenland or something like that.

01:31:18.280 And then the panic, you know, the anxiety in the country diminishes and that hurts the Liberal Party.

01:31:23.620 So I think they've got to go right away.

01:31:25.380 I suspect we're going to be looking at him walking over to see the governor general, Ben, sometime in the next few days.

01:31:31.000 Really?

01:31:31.520 But Warren Kinsella, what kind of campaign is he going to run?

01:31:35.740 He says he wants to dump the carbon tax right away.

01:31:38.880 He wants to stop the increase in the capital gains tax.

01:31:41.260 But he also mentions building off of dental care and pharma care.

01:31:45.340 Is he going to run a centrist campaign or is he going to run a progressive campaign?

01:31:50.100 I can't tell what he's going to do.

01:31:51.480 If you look at some of the columnists this morning, they're saying, oh, boy,

01:31:54.440 he sounds like a conservative.

01:31:55.800 And you look at other columnists, they're saying, oh, boy, you know, he sounds like, you know,

01:31:59.180 a Justin Trudeau style Liberal.

01:32:01.400 I guess they're trying to figure that out.

01:32:04.060 But at the end of the day, the ballot question, the main polling, the campaign that I think they're going to run,

01:32:10.140 which is I don't like Donald Trump.

01:32:13.280 I don't like his style.

01:32:14.340 I'm going to fight Donald Trump.

01:32:15.460 And Pierre Poliev secretly loves, you know, has a picture inside his locker of Donald Trump.

01:32:20.740 I think that's going to be the campaign that we're looking at.

01:32:24.500 And Poliev, that means that he has got to do everything he possibly can to make sure that none of his staff or his caucus or his candidates get photographed in a MAGA hat or say anything that is remotely MAGA.

01:32:39.160 They cannot provide evidence of the criticism that Carney is going to be bringing to bear against them.

01:32:45.040 And look, it is a criticism that that can I mean, they can find traction with that.

01:32:51.080 There are certain people who I guess they're more disposed to predisposed to believing something like that.

01:32:56.420 But, you know, as as much as I, you know better than I how important campaigns are.

01:33:01.220 And given the fact that this this liberal leadership campaign was, I believe, a campaign in name only is is Carney ready for the buzzsaw that he is going to encounter,

01:33:13.060 not just from the conservative party, but the fact that he is going to have a cortege of media following him wherever he goes, demanding answers to every and all questions.

01:33:23.900 This there's going to be a level of scrutiny of demanded of him that he he has not lived up to yet.

01:33:31.800 I don't think he is ready.

01:33:33.460 You know, Karina Gould, who got three percent of the vote last night, absolutely clobbered him. 0.99

01:33:39.120 You know, this unknown MP absolutely clobbered Carney in the French and the English debates.

01:33:46.400 I think Frank Bayless was better than him.

01:33:48.820 So, you know, having experience in politics, as you and I both know, matters a lot.

01:33:54.620 And I know Carney's trying to turn it into a pause and say I'm not a professional politician.

01:33:59.460 And it's like, yeah, no kidding, pal.

01:34:01.400 Like, you really don't sound like a politician.

01:34:04.220 And sometimes we need that.

01:34:06.360 You know, we want somebody to just show passion and and vigor.

01:34:10.000 And like, this is why last night after my former boss, Kretchen, spoke, I got hundreds of notes from people across the country, including from conservatives saying, man, we need some of that.

01:34:20.820 Yeah, he's 91 years old.

01:34:22.340 He's still got it.

01:34:23.380 And the same thing with your dad is, you know, there's there comes a time in politics where you've got to bring the fire.

01:34:30.120 Yeah. Right.

01:34:30.620 You've got to bring it.

01:34:32.000 And Mark Carney, I haven't seen him do that once.

01:34:36.080 And I think, you know, it's it's going to be a challenge for him against a couple very accomplished performers like Polly Ed and Blachette.

01:34:43.000 He also hasn't been as full throated in sort of the building of pipelines as a lot of people would want him to be.

01:34:49.520 I mean, he said some things, but he's also hedged a lot.

01:34:52.580 Your former boss made quite a compelling case for exactly that yesterday.

01:34:57.520 I don't think that was by accident.

01:34:58.960 No. And I it was it was wonderful that he did that.

01:35:02.820 You know, in full disclosure, I'm a Calgarian and I worked in the oil patch and I believe we are an energy country and we should not be leaving energy in the ground.

01:35:11.740 Right. And particularly now that we're facing this existential threat, we need to bring our energy, our resources to other markets other than the United States.

01:35:22.700 So, you know, Polly is on the right track and Carney, I just can't figure out where he stands.

01:35:28.480 And so I thought Crencian, what he did, it's really important what you just brought up, what Crencian, without disclosing any of the conversations I've had with him, what he does, he always does it very deliberately.

01:35:40.880 Warren, we're going to have to leave it there. Thank you so much, my friend. We'll talk to you soon.

01:35:43.980 We'll talk to you soon.

01:36:13.980 We'll talk to you soon.

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01:37:13.960 We'll talk to you soon.

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kinsellacast - March 16, 2025

KINSELLACAST 353： Brazeau challenges Trump! Plus pugilists Kheiriddin, Belanger, Lilley, Mraz, Mulroney - and lots of Elephant 6 lo-fi goodness!

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