00:02:20.440Mark Carney, you know, addressed the cameras, and he looked grave.
00:02:23.600And he said, the old relationship we had with the United States, based on deepening integration of our economies and tight security and military cooperation, is over.
00:02:37.920It's clear the United States is no longer a reliable partner.
00:02:43.500And with that, a unique relationship that has endured for 158 years, a relationship that has survived war and pandemics and terror attacks, came to an end with a whimper, not a bang, at this hurriedly convened press conference in Ottawa, called to answer Trump's destructive tariffs on our auto industry.
00:03:08.700And Carney's words ricocheted around the world, headlines everywhere, BBC, CNN, Fox News, all saying how surprised they were, like we were.
00:03:22.440And partisan liberals gleefully celebrated what he said, and they posted online that he looked and sounded prime ministerial.
00:03:41.420It was deeply, profoundly sad, in my opinion.
00:03:45.740And importantly, his declaration is going to be very difficult, verging on impossible to walk back for him or his successor.
00:03:53.380Cardi's liberals are going to argue, and they have, that his statement just acknowledges the obvious reality that when Trump is calling us the 51st state, when he's mocking us and our people, when he's threatening to use economic force against us, it would be an abdication of leadership to pretend that little has changed.
00:04:13.520And that, in a sense, is what Pierre Polyevre has done, right?
00:04:17.860And it has hurt his electoral prospects.
00:04:20.300He's losing because he seems to think it's business as usual.
00:04:24.680But Carney's statement sends the pendulum whipping in the opposite direction.
00:04:31.280Like, to declare a relationship with the United States over, to state that they are no longer a reliable partner, it's going to be difficult or impossible to retract that.
00:04:40.860Like, the statement was not ambiguous.
00:04:43.520In the middle of an election campaign in which Donald Trump is the ballot question, his words will probably boost his party's popularity.
00:04:53.000Like, Canadian nationalism is surging from coast to coast to coast, young and old, east and west, conservative and liberal.
00:04:59.760If there's anything that unites us, it's our conviction that we want to remain Canadian.
00:05:04.500But now that our Prime Minister, that's what he is, has declared our historical relationship with the United States over, what should be done about it?
00:05:15.100What, in particular, is Mark Carney going to do about it?
00:05:18.540His words impose a duty on him as Prime Minister to map out Canada's post-America future.
00:05:26.820Pipelines, oil and gas, minerals to market, diversifying trade, finding new markets, strengthening our military and our security, building new alliances for intelligence sharing.
00:05:39.220Like, what's Mark Carney's plan to construct new alliances to achieve these things, to replace the position that America used to hold in our lives?
00:05:52.280Now, this is politics, of course, and Carney's words could be a ruse.
00:05:56.640Everyone expected his first telephone conversation with Trump, I certainly did, to be a disaster, with the U.S. president mocking him afterwards on truth social like he used to do with Justin Trudeau.
00:06:07.740But instead, Trump quickly issued a statement calling their conversation extremely productive.
00:06:13.200We agree on many things that they're going to meet soon.
00:06:16.240It's going to end up being great for both Canada and the United States.
00:06:19.700So, perhaps Carney's statement had the desired effect.
00:06:22.980Perhaps auto tariffs may not somehow happen now.
00:06:27.240Perhaps Trump's going to respond later when he goes off his medication, as he often does with friends or foe.
00:06:34.040Like, with him, all of that's possible.
00:06:35.700But in the meantime, we Canadians, now in the midst of a truly existential, historic election campaign, are entitled to hear a clear answer to this from our Prime Minister.
00:06:47.900Now that you've said our 158-year-old relationship with America is over, what do we do next?
00:06:55.660Seventy miles an hour I'm driving away from you
00:07:08.220No telling what exactly I'm planning to do
00:14:12.620He is bent on doing as much destruction as he possibly can, he and the people around him.
00:14:18.660In his case, I think, and I would not say this about any other world leader, but I genuinely think, and I'm not alone, that he is out of his mind.
00:14:27.880He has a number of different personality disorders, and they express themselves as a desire for dominance, a desire to always be countering the conventional wisdom,
00:14:40.360even if the conventional wisdom is just what everybody, in fact, knows to be a fact.
00:14:44.020And so he always has to do the opposite of whatever is the right thing.
00:14:49.500He will always do the worst thing that's possible to imagine, and the craziest thing that's possible to imagine, without fail.
00:14:58.480And part of that is he can only feel large by making other things small, by destroying things.
00:15:04.460And he's got around him a bunch of fanatical ideologues, as well as the usual opportunists,
00:15:09.020opportunists, but particularly these ideologues who want to destroy everything because they're going to build some revolutionary right-wing utopia out of the ashes.
00:15:16.960And that is a remarkably dangerous combination, and we're seeing it in the destruction of American democracy right in front of our eyes,
00:15:26.540and in the same time, the destruction of the American system of alliances that has protected the democracies for 80 years.
00:15:33.780And so it's a really, really perilous time.
00:15:37.800And, oh, by the way, he's also threatening our country.
00:15:40.800Well, just following on the heels of your book, which is just weeks away,
00:15:46.540an important component of the democratic process is not just leaders like Trump, in quotation marks,
00:15:51.880but also the people who put him there.
00:26:29.780And he said openly to Chinese language media, which, you know, I don't read, I don't watch, I don't follow, but it came out this week that he was telling people, you know, that Joe Tay, you should go down and get him and take him to the Chinese consulate.
00:27:22.220He's lived in Canada for years, but speaks out about democracy in China.
00:27:26.880And the liberal MP said, you should go get him and hand him over to the Chinese.
00:27:32.520And we're still dealing with Chinese foreign interference.
00:27:37.220And now you've got Paul Chang, who, according to Aaron O'Toole, former conservative leader, said Markham Unionville was one of the worst ridings in the country for foreign interference in the 2021 election.
00:27:50.140The conservatives are calling for Mark Carney to fire Chang.
00:28:36.200And if people think we're being, you know, too out there saying kidnapping, he said you can get the one million dollar bounty if you bring him to Toronto's Chinese consulate.
00:28:46.820Do you think Joe Tay is just going to be like, oh, you want to take me somewhere?
00:31:55.800But despite the fact that the liberals want to make it seem like they are running away with this and a lot of people in the media want to declare the election over, we still have almost a month left.
00:32:12.300Whether they're true or not, they're damaging as hell.
00:32:14.460Yeah, they're more damaging than the story of Mark Carney using Bermuda as a tax haven to set up his $25 billion funds in Bermuda to avoid Canadian taxes.
00:32:30.200Yeah, now, in fairness, the tax haven story got knocked out of the news cycle by the Trump auto tariffs, which was Trump's attempt to knock out a story about a signal group chat involving high defense people and a journalist.
00:32:46.440But the plagiarism story, I think, is still significant.
00:33:24.080And I can't believe people are poo-pooing it.
00:33:25.940Well, Mr. Irrelevant over at the Globe and Mail was saying, has one academic other than this, Sigmund, who the liberals have dismissed as a conservative donor, is the one who said that this is an issue.
00:33:40.020And it was a UBC law professor who said, yeah, I'm saying it's an issue and pointed out that this would have been written up by Carney before you could easily just do control C, control V and copy and paste.
00:33:51.900That he had to physically type it in on one of those old word processors.
00:33:58.860So, and I don't know Catherine Levesque from the National Post who wrote this.
00:34:03.920We work for the same company, but she's out of Ottawa.
00:34:55.500Looked to me like he was actually even ducking it.
00:34:57.740But it finally happened on Friday morning and I predicted wrongly that, you know, it would result in Trump saying all kinds of horrible things about Carney after the call.
00:35:25.340So, background on the call, and don't believe me, you can believe, Wall Street Journal, Toronto Star, CBC, Globe and Mail all reported this as well.
00:35:36.200Carney tried to get a call on his first day at the p.m. after he was sworn in.
00:35:42.540And Trump didn't return his call until this week.
00:35:45.080So, even though he was going around saying, I'll talk to him when he shows respect to Canada, he was not getting his call returned until this week.
00:35:56.080And that may have to do with the fact that during the leadership campaign, he referred to Trump as Baltimore and Orange Man and things like that.
00:36:04.100If you want to get respect, you've got to give respect.
00:36:06.580You can't be, like, don't be name-calling.
00:36:09.920Doug Ford has taken a very strong stand on Trump and the tariffs, and he's never made it personal, not once.
00:36:15.280He doesn't go out there and call names.
00:36:17.920He said he was getting phone calls this week from Howard Lutnick as well, saying, don't worry, the auto tariffs aren't going to be as hard on you guys.
00:37:12.540And, you know, things are going to go well with Canada.
00:37:14.640And then later in the same Q&A session, just going on about all the things he wants to do on auto from tariffs.
00:37:24.120But also, and this kind of sounds like what Biden wanted to do with the Inflation Reduction Act and a tax break for buying an electric car.
00:37:32.940Trump wants to give a tax break for buying any American-made car.
00:37:37.700And if we're not included in that, that could hurt us big time.
00:37:41.380So, you know, the threats to our economy are still there.
00:37:45.780And so, you know, to get back to the Corey Tanike thing versus David Colletto, Colletto's piece at the Hub said
00:37:55.940that the conservatives would not win against the liberals in a battle for who's best to beat Trump.
00:38:05.320But there's still over 50% of the electorate wants change.
00:38:08.960And if you can convince them you're the right change, then you can win.
00:38:13.020And so if there's a pivot, it's going to be to we're best positioned to fix the economy to counter what Trump is doing.
00:38:26.700And if you see Paglia's latest announcement today, which is an announcement that if you sell any asset and reinvest it in Canada,
00:55:34.640This is a Toronto candidate, GTA Liberal candidate, suggesting there's been an interview that's come to light here over the last few days, suggesting that people attempt to claim a Chinese bounty on a local conservative candidate there.
00:55:47.520Now, from the looks of it, it appears that the Liberals are standing behind this candidate as of right now.
00:55:52.320So, Warren, I'd mentioned this is kind of probably the first bozo eruption of what will probably be many for others.
00:55:57.940But what do you think about the Liberals' handling of this candidate?
00:56:01.820Should he be allowed to stay on in this circumstance?
00:56:04.320Well, I think it's far worse than a bozo eruption.
00:56:08.200You know, I think this is legitimately a case of campaign election democracy interference of the type that Madam Justice Hogue was writing about.
00:56:17.800And even more seriously, putting on my lawyer's hat, I wonder if it is now kind of transgressed into the criminal code.
00:56:24.940It's advocating an indictable offense, placing a bounty on a Canadian's head, in this case, an opponent in an election race.
00:56:48.520And, you know, something like this that happened in the United States would be front page for a week.
00:56:52.900Maybe not so much these days, but it's big, big news.
00:56:57.200And I don't think there should have been any debate within the Carney campaign.
00:57:01.740They needed to get rid of this guy and get rid of him immediately.
00:57:05.140And it is deplorable that they've not done so yet.
00:57:08.840Yeah, and Carl, there's nothing funny about what he's suggesting here in many senses, right, putting out a bounty to be arrested and perhaps worse in some kind of way, shape or form.
00:57:17.940Are you surprised that the liberals, you know, given the, I guess, the campaign momentum that they have right now, that they didn't just simply cut this guy loose?
00:57:27.660And it's funny because, you know, from the, you know, from the outside world, you look at it, there's no reason for him, for them not to cut them loose.
00:57:36.040But, but they are not, you know, sure that they are actually winning this.
00:57:42.500And that's why they're not cutting him loose.
00:57:44.600And, and, you know, in a way, it's actually a problem for them because if they had cut him loose, it would be over.
00:58:54.360All sorts of issues around China and Canada.
00:58:57.320And the fact that it's not just fentanyl.
00:59:00.020That's more of a, you know, it's a, that's in the window.
00:59:02.840But the U.S. has been very annoyed at how Canada has allowed ourselves to be infiltrated by China on multiple levels.
00:59:11.700And while I'm not saying this man is infiltrated, to say that implies that it's okay to suppress free speech in Hong Kong and have someone, you know, be, be forcibly taken back, kidnapped, essentially, on a bounty to go back and face a charge that in Canada wouldn't be a charge because we believe in free speech.
00:59:29.700This is the kind of thing that Carney needs to get ahead of.
00:59:33.880He even said we should not pivot to China on trade.
00:59:37.020We should pivot to other nations that are, you know, more democratic like us.
00:59:51.560A lot of people are calling for him to be turfed.
00:59:53.480Yeah, and it's hard to describe the feeling of why this isn't or the thought that this guy isn't gone as of yet, but that's the decision they're standing by.
01:00:05.940When it comes to the other side of the political spectrum on the conservative side, we're seeing the last few days the stories have been kind of mounting from a number of different news organizations talking about some inner turmoil within the conservative campaign, which is just kind of very interesting.
01:00:18.620I'd love your thoughts on this, Tasha, for a couple of different reasons.
01:00:21.260One, it seems like, I'm not sure, is this a warning signal to try to, you know, put the smoke signal out to the national campaign that, hey, we need some help here.
01:00:47.140For one person, I was shocked to see, you know, the architect of, or one of the architects anyway, of Doug Ford's victory in Ontario, well-respected conservative strategist at both federal and provincial levels, coming out and outing an internal poll.
01:01:04.900Internal polls are internal for a reason.
01:01:07.260Parties use them to gauge the mood so that they have a better idea perhaps in what is in the public space.
01:01:13.180He outed an internal poll showing the conservatives falling in Ontario and how bad it was and saying they've got to change direction in a very public way.
01:01:23.620I'm really, if he's doing that, there's a problem there.
01:01:30.120I've talked personally to several people who thought they would be the candidates in the greater Toronto area who worked their tails off for a year, year and a half, selling membership, keeping the face full in the fold.
01:01:41.240And the party treated them like garbage.
01:01:43.220It didn't even call them to tell them that, oh, guess what?
01:01:46.760Someone else is being appointed in that riding you thought you had that we told you you'd probably have and, you know, just suck it up, basically.
01:01:58.140And I think that's partly at the root of this is that the way they have dealt with the election and people that they're supposed to be that are on their team,
01:02:05.000the grumbling is getting public because people are mad at how the parties handle things.
01:02:11.080And so I think that they have a serious problem.
01:02:14.180There are ways of fixing it, perhaps, but with four weeks to go, it's really, really a high bar, high slog to do.
01:02:21.320And it seems like Corey tonight got the ball rolling.
01:02:23.480And then that was the other stuff we were hearing later in the week, which you're kind of talking about, this, I guess, mismatch or just kind of lack of cohesiveness between the local candidates,
01:02:31.980some very upset or kind of left behind in all of this, and with the national kind of campaign as well.
01:02:37.520So it feels like it's a couple of different things happening at once.
01:02:40.660Warren, what is your read on all of this?
01:02:42.960And again, I'll point out, we still got a month before the election.
01:02:46.400Well, full disclosure, Corey's a friend.
01:02:48.360I didn't talk to him ahead of time, you know, him doing this, but I can tell you he's a very smart cat and he would not be doing this without approval.
01:02:58.180And what that says to me is the Trump, Trump, the Ford guys.
01:03:07.880Trump probably actually likes it because he loves division.
01:03:10.440But the Ford guys have decided that Pierre Polyev can't win.
01:03:17.400And, you know, the polls suggest strongly that that's the case.
01:03:21.080You know, I think Liaison last night has been doing a daily rolling poll, small sample, but, you know, they've got a baseline and it's showing liberals, you know, six points ahead.
01:03:31.740So I think the Ford guys, like the media and a lot of other people, decided that Polyev is losing and the Ford guys are making their move.
01:03:41.860And there may be some very rapid changes after the election if Mr. Polyev doesn't win it.
01:03:47.580Like Polyev's in a, he's in a tough, tough situation, guys.
01:03:50.940Like, so this week, you know, he had some wins like this, you know, candidates saying there's a place of bounty on the opponent and Carney, the plagiarism thing.
01:04:02.880There was some stuff that helped the Tories, but it doesn't seem to be moving the needle.
01:04:07.180Next week's going to be even worse because the tariffs are going to hit.
01:04:11.320That's going to occupy all of the breathing room for any other stories.
01:04:15.920People are going to necessarily turn their attention to the government for a governmental response.
01:04:21.500And the leader of the opposition, you know, he's going to be lucky if he gets two people to pay attention to him.
01:04:26.060So, you know, he's going to be entering week three, probably with more of these process civil war stories.
01:04:32.800And that it's pretty tough to recover from that.
01:04:35.480I think at this point, probably the Tories are putting all of their money on the debate fights and how well they're going to do there if they want to turn this thing around.
01:04:42.620And we saw even this week with that, you know, the phone call and the auto tariffs, how it just took over for two days, right?
01:04:48.040And you can easily get the message kind of lost in there.
01:04:50.540And, you know, Carl, that was kind of my first thought here.
01:04:52.660You know, the idea that, you know, some people aren't happy with the way this is going.
01:04:57.380But I was thinking, you know, it's still very early.
01:04:59.960You know, could we be seeing people kind of carving out corners for an eventual loss?
01:05:03.400But it still seems kind of so early, I guess.
01:05:05.380What's your read on what you're hearing about all of the infighting here within the Conservatives?
01:05:58.500There is nothing that can happen that will make them lose this momentum that they have because people are looking at Trump and they're making the following calculation.
01:06:10.460A, Pierre Poirier is too close and looks too much like Donald Trump.
01:06:25.860And we know once those perceptions are kind of built in or what you kind of feel like you're going to vote for, it is very difficult to kind of change people's minds.
01:06:32.220So we'll see if they're able to kind of square that circle over the course of the next few weeks here or make it a little bit softer.
01:06:38.180I guess, Carl, I'll stick with you just talking about that first week of the campaign because, you know, to the Trump-Cartney phone call taking up a huge part of it here.
01:06:45.020Just one on that phone call, we did see, you know, Donald Trump kind of take a more, we'll say, as gracious as Donald Trump can be tone, talking about Carney, you know, calling him the prime minister and not a governor and things like that.
01:06:56.880Are we taking too much away from that?
01:06:58.980It seems like a little bit of a 180 from Donald Trump, but the bar is also very low at this point.
01:07:03.600Well, it's very low, and that was the calculation, right?
01:07:07.000Like, unless he called him Governor Carney, and unless he doubled down on the 51st state, it looks like Carney is actually making progress.
01:07:16.440So for Canadians, they're looking at this like, well, that was a good thing to get rid of Trudeau.
01:07:22.300We have Carney who's, like, making progress.
01:07:27.100So liberals are just basing their campaign on this.
01:07:30.120And if you look at what Trump said in that email, he said, no, of course, he didn't say the thing about the 51st state.
01:07:39.520He also said, I expect to meet with Mark Carney after the election.
01:07:44.520He already thinks that Carney's going to win.
01:07:48.060And for the conservative, it's a big problem, especially when you have Daniel Smith, the premier of Alberta, campaigning in the United States, trying to convince the Trump administration to help you up well.
01:08:10.760So the Bermuda-Brookfield story I thought was very interesting and might have some legs this week in terms of bringing some, I guess, not mud, but some serious questions into perspective about Mark Carney and his finances.
01:08:23.480Do you still think with that story and, you know, his finances, do you still think that could be an issue that Canadians aren't a big fan of or could reject Carney on?
01:08:31.700Could that be the thing that brings him down, I suppose?
01:08:33.580Well, the conservatives are banking on character assassination because they don't really have a lot else.
01:10:01.580I think they'll keep doing this, the character assassination, because, like I said, it's one of the few things they've got right now.
01:10:07.020Warren, do you see this as the most kind of effective line of attack right here right now?
01:10:10.100I guess the kind of flip side is, right, I don't think anybody would surprise, you know, corporations are trying to pay as little tax as possible.
01:10:16.100Well, shocking, I know, but could this be one of the things in terms of his finances that could be, you know, his undoing, if anything?
01:10:23.740In fact, it may rebound in his favor, you know, and, you know, drive everybody's attention to the mango Mussolini.
01:10:31.540You know, one of the reasons why, if you look at the research going back to 2016, why Trump won is people saw him as a successful business person.
01:10:42.940And, you know, a lot of Americans, a lot of Canadians believe if you're a successful business person, you should run government.
01:10:48.900I actually have the completely opposite view.
01:10:51.240But anyway, that's what most people think.
01:10:53.180And so what the Tories are doing here is actually highlighting Carney's strength, not his weakness.
01:11:01.300The same thing happened in 2008 with Obama.
01:11:04.960You know, the Republicans, I don't know if you guys remember, I'm old.
01:11:08.200And the Republicans went after the fact that Obama had been a community organizer in Chicago, and they made fun of that, and they mocked it.
01:11:15.480They thought, you know, it was a negative.
01:11:17.320Well, a lot of voters, particularly young voters, thought it was a positive, and it's, you know, why young people voted for him more than they'd had for any president for, you know, many elections before.
01:11:30.940I think what the Tories are doing are actually testifying to Carney's strength, which is a smart economic business kind of guy, which is what we need right now when we're fighting an economic war.
01:11:42.080And I wanted to touch on just what we have a couple of minutes, just the NDP as well.
01:11:45.720And, you know, if I wasn't following the campaign as closely as I have been, it would be very difficult to hear from Jagmeet Singh right now.
01:11:52.100There's just been so much kind of going on, and, you know, a lot of it has to do with Donald Trump.
01:11:56.540But, Carl, it appears, and even Jagmeet Singh said this this week, that, you know, they're not going to go after Carney on tariffs or anything kind of like that in terms of U.S. relations because they want to kind of have a united front, and they're going to hit him on a bunch of domestic issues, including, you know, housing and things like that.
01:12:12.860Is that the right strategy if you're trying to kind of maintain party status and pick up some seats here?
01:12:17.680It seems like they are seeding that they're going to get blown out, I guess, here in the next month.
01:12:21.940Yeah, I guess they're taking one from the team, because if you don't go after Carney, you're going to lose.
01:12:28.840And, you know, the fundraising emails that the NDP was sending this week, they were all focused on Pierre Poirier.
01:12:34.880The more they talk about Pierre Poirier winning, the more they talk about being scared of Pierre Poirier forming a government, the more votes they lose.
01:13:14.320If they don't do that, they are in big, big trouble.
01:13:17.780In fact, they are in big trouble right now.
01:13:19.720And the truth is that if they don't pivot, if they're not able to go after Mark Carney, there is very little upside for the NDP's campaign on right now.
01:13:32.680Because people are afraid of Pierre Poirier.
01:13:39.320And Warren, do you think that the NDP should be pivoting here?
01:13:42.960You know, even as, you know, trying to sell yourself as the party that will keep the liberals honest here, if they do get in, do you think that a pivot is needed from the NDP so people know where they are right now?