kinsellacast - April 06, 2025


KINSELLACAST 356: Independent MP Kevin Vuong! Lilley! Pierson! Mulroney! Mraz! More! Plus new Wet Leg, old Clash and more!


Episode Stats

Length

1 hour and 57 minutes

Words per Minute

149.93636

Word Count

17,552

Sentence Count

617

Misogynist Sentences

16

Hate Speech Sentences

51


Summary

This week on The Kinsella Cast, Warren is in the USA, interviewing ambassadors, academics and academics, and playing some music. Also, the Tories are doing well in the polls, and Mark Carney is winning the polls.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 It's the Kinsella Cast, starring Warren Kinsella.
00:00:14.760 Hey, it's Warren. Welcome to the Kinsella Cast.
00:00:18.220 I am going to the United States of America today.
00:00:22.020 That is the plan anyway.
00:00:24.340 Yes, I know, I know.
00:00:27.320 But I am going for work.
00:00:30.000 I'm on a journalist's work visa for our documentary about the propaganda war against Israel and America and Canada and the West.
00:00:39.960 And I'm going to be interviewing ambassadors and academics.
00:00:43.740 So, yes, I know, I will be in touch.
00:00:48.740 Don't worry.
00:00:50.000 In the meantime, I've got a great show for you.
00:00:52.720 Lily and Carradine and Belanger and Moroni and Pearson and Mraz, hopefully, and great music.
00:00:59.740 Great music this week.
00:01:01.600 Tender Defender, who I've played before.
00:01:03.560 Their three-piece outfit, punk outfit, from New York State, from Huntington, I think.
00:01:08.600 The Worriers, who I've played many times and adore with Power Couple, but without any vowels in it.
00:01:16.320 It's just consonants.
00:01:17.200 Restorations, with a song called Street, or ST Dot.
00:01:23.260 Like, anyway, ST Dot.
00:01:25.620 Sleaford Mods, who I love, who I wanted to play last week, who I told you I was going to play last week and didn't, so I'm going to play them this week.
00:01:33.680 Dead Bars.
00:01:34.440 And then I've got two really memorable bits.
00:01:37.720 First thing, I've got a bit of The Clash playing Desmond Deckard's Israelites on a British TV show from 1979, I think, and they're doing it live.
00:01:48.100 You can tell they're just working up the parts as the cameras are rolling.
00:01:52.560 I don't have all of it.
00:01:53.980 I don't think anybody does.
00:01:55.520 But it's so awesome.
00:01:57.580 It's just the power and the genius of that group.
00:02:01.480 And another group from Wales, powerful and genius, Wet Leg.
00:02:06.820 Wet Leg, their new tune from their second album.
00:02:10.680 Not all of it is out, but this song is.
00:02:13.700 And I just want to remind everybody, I introduced Wet Leg to North America.
00:02:18.400 I discovered them, so I should get some credit.
00:02:22.000 So this week, campaign week two is in the rear view.
00:02:26.200 And here are some observations, kind of random and unconnected.
00:02:32.280 Like Pierre Polyev, the Conservative leader, is winning with his rallies.
00:02:36.380 And Mark Carney, the Liberal leader, is winning with the polls.
00:02:40.260 So what's really happening?
00:02:41.960 Well, Greg Lyle is an old friend, and he has a poll out with his Innovative Research Group.
00:02:46.720 And full disclosure, Greg and I helped start a certain consulting firm that shall not be named, Navigator.
00:02:54.000 He left before I did to start his own very successful polling firm.
00:03:00.180 And I left when I found out that some of them there were secretly helping out Big Tobacco.
00:03:04.960 But anyway, Greg has a poll out, and it shows the Tories ahead by a point.
00:03:11.620 One point.
00:03:12.420 And I think Abacus has got the same thing.
00:03:17.240 And, like, this is a cause for great celebration among some Conservatives, but they shouldn't.
00:03:24.580 They were a point ahead on Election Day in 2019 and 2021, right?
00:03:29.480 And they lost those.
00:03:30.740 Like, these well-attended rallies, notwithstanding, Team Blue just are not where they need to be.
00:03:37.660 Why?
00:03:38.760 Like, how can Pierre Polyev be attracting so much support at his rallies, while attracting increasingly less support in the polls?
00:03:48.020 My hunch?
00:03:49.280 The Conservatives have a somewhat smaller core, but they are fanatically devoted to their choice.
00:03:55.540 The Liberals, meanwhile, have a notionally bigger group on their side, but no more, nowhere near as much commitment.
00:04:05.660 So, sadly for the Tories, campaign rallies are not always a reliable predictor of outcomes.
00:04:11.920 The polls are.
00:04:13.580 Another observation.
00:04:14.880 Polyev is now saying all the right things about Trump, but it feels like it's too late.
00:04:18.880 Like, all the crap about Canada being broken, and the WEF, and convoy morons, and vaccine mandates, and globalists, and fake media, and blah, blah, blah.
00:04:29.560 It's all too Trumpy, or it was too Trumpy.
00:04:32.340 And it's all over his CV.
00:04:34.720 And his friends aren't helping either.
00:04:36.840 Like, in the paper, I think it was in the Globe, we saw Preston Manning.
00:04:39.840 You remember Preston Manning, right?
00:04:41.080 The Reform Party leader who said that those who took the, quote, gold-plated MP's pension, end quote, were pigs.
00:04:48.020 And then he took it himself?
00:04:50.260 Anyway, he's in the paper, threatening Western separation if their boy doesn't win the election.
00:04:56.840 Like, leaving aside the fact that conservatives did this to themselves, you know, the Trump recession, and the Trumpy Polyev,
00:05:03.420 it should remind you that these sucks, these sucky babies, are children.
00:05:08.740 Let me win, or I'll flip the game board.
00:05:11.940 Maybe they'll do stop the steal next.
00:05:15.360 Final observation.
00:05:16.900 Liberation Day, Trump Tariff Day, whatever you want to call it, this being an election and all.
00:05:24.480 Politicos, of course, spent that historic night this week crunching the numbers, sculpting the strategy.
00:05:31.300 And the dilemma for the liberals is that the tariffs are not as damaging as they could have been.
00:05:38.000 Not yet.
00:05:39.340 And in comparative terms, you might even say that they were spared, or that we were.
00:05:43.520 The dilemma for the conservatives is that they can't just go back to 2024 and start running their affordability playbook,
00:05:51.600 because there will be real pain for many Canadians.
00:05:54.540 So expect Carney to suggest that the tariffs are apocalyptic when they aren't,
00:06:00.300 and expect Polyev to minimize them when they're not minimal.
00:06:04.180 And the people?
00:06:05.480 The people will then do what they always do,
00:06:08.480 which is vote for the guy who most closely reflects what they are feeling,
00:06:13.380 not the actual reality.
00:06:15.840 Can you catch a medicine ball?
00:06:34.900 Can you catch yourself when you fall?
00:06:37.640 You should be careful.
00:06:39.740 Do you catch my drift?
00:06:41.500 Because what I really want to know is can you catch these fists?
00:06:51.480 Man down.
00:06:58.800 Level up.
00:07:00.040 I know all too well just what you're like.
00:07:07.780 I don't want your love.
00:07:10.780 I just want to fight.
00:07:12.320 I know all too well just what you're like.
00:07:20.060 We're on my way to the club.
00:07:23.060 Stupid is, stupid does.
00:07:27.060 Limousine, rockin' on.
00:07:30.460 Ketamine, giddy up.
00:07:34.060 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:07:39.760 Man down.
00:07:41.800 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:07:47.660 Level up.
00:07:49.480 I know all too well just what you're like.
00:07:56.560 I don't want your love.
00:07:59.460 I just want to fight.
00:08:01.060 He don't get pussy, get the boot I saw him sippin' on dark fruit
00:08:12.320 This always happens late at night Some guy comes up, says I'm his type
00:08:16.120 I just threw up in my mouth When it just tried to ask me out
00:08:19.820 Yeah, don't approach me I just wanna dance with my friends
00:08:22.940 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Mental
00:08:29.980 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Level up
00:08:37.600 I know all too well just what you're like
00:08:42.360 I don't want your love, I just wanna fight
00:08:52.940 I know all too well
00:08:55.640 This is what you're like
00:08:57.360 I don't want your love
00:09:03.160 I just wanna fight
00:09:04.880 Samantha
00:09:22.940 And we're back
00:09:23.960 And we're back
00:09:24.940 With a great guy
00:09:26.400 A great parliamentarian
00:09:28.100 A great citizen
00:09:29.600 And a great friend
00:09:30.900 Kevin Vong
00:09:31.720 Kevin, welcome to the Kinsella cast
00:09:35.100 Thanks for having me
00:09:36.520 Now, I gotta
00:09:37.800 We should probably do full disclosure
00:09:39.960 My understanding is
00:09:41.960 You've got a baby
00:09:42.880 That you're holding
00:09:43.780 Right at this moment
00:09:45.060 That's right
00:09:46.360 I'm letting my wife sleep
00:09:49.000 So I have the baby with me
00:09:51.800 And she was asleep
00:09:53.220 And now she is
00:09:54.840 She's looking at me
00:09:56.240 Smiling with her two
00:09:57.680 Two first teeth that came in
00:09:59.740 Oh, you guys aren't getting much sleep then
00:10:02.300 Okay, I'm sorry
00:10:03.100 Well, if she wants to join in on the podcast
00:10:06.640 She is welcome
00:10:07.640 But I think just about every woman in Canada
00:10:10.880 Loves you now
00:10:11.720 Because you're being a good dad
00:10:13.620 And a lot of dads too
00:10:15.880 So, I wanted to talk to you
00:10:19.460 About a serious subject
00:10:21.060 The past 24 hours
00:10:22.420 Have been pretty extraordinary
00:10:23.640 For our country
00:10:24.860 The country you represent
00:10:27.920 With these very damaging tariffs
00:10:31.700 That Donald Trump has brought to bear
00:10:34.160 Not as bad for us
00:10:36.140 As I guess some expected
00:10:37.580 But if you're in the auto manufacturing trade
00:10:40.840 Or steel or aluminum or potash
00:10:44.300 There's been a lot there
00:10:46.000 That has hammered Canadians
00:10:47.440 Wanted to get your take on it
00:10:48.860 Yeah, you know
00:10:50.780 When I saw the initial list
00:10:52.600 I went through all of the countries
00:10:56.000 On the, you know
00:10:58.040 47 Rapid Response X account
00:11:01.000 That's where I started
00:11:01.880 And I was going through
00:11:04.400 There's about probably 10 or 11 screenshots
00:11:07.020 And let me just say
00:11:08.680 It's pretty wild
00:11:09.820 That this is how
00:11:11.500 People have to find details
00:11:15.240 Of what is coming out
00:11:16.680 Of the White House
00:11:18.620 And so I'm going through the list
00:11:22.880 And I'm like
00:11:23.780 I don't see Canada
00:11:24.660 I don't see Canada
00:11:25.960 And I'm on the second last list
00:11:27.440 I'm like
00:11:27.780 Am I going to see Canada?
00:11:30.020 And I finally go through all of them
00:11:32.140 And I'm like
00:11:32.680 Canada's not on the list
00:11:33.920 And I go back and I check
00:11:35.540 Is Mexico?
00:11:36.720 They're not either
00:11:37.400 And so it took a little bit of digging
00:11:40.400 And then you see
00:11:41.660 In one of their releases
00:11:43.180 That it talks about
00:11:44.040 Okay
00:11:44.440 Those that are compliant
00:11:47.440 With USMCA
00:11:48.820 Or what we call CUSM
00:11:51.500 CUSMA
00:11:52.000 Would be exempt
00:11:54.880 And so that was kind of like
00:11:56.780 My first sigh of relief
00:11:58.340 And then you
00:11:59.500 You take a step back
00:12:01.220 And then you realize
00:12:02.160 Well actually
00:12:02.960 You know
00:12:03.620 It's not like this guy
00:12:04.520 Really cared about
00:12:05.620 The agreement before
00:12:07.080 So who's to say
00:12:09.140 That he can't come up
00:12:10.720 With some other reason
00:12:12.400 Why we should be tariffed
00:12:14.540 On those industries
00:12:15.780 That you mentioned
00:12:16.580 And there are
00:12:17.880 Actual considerations
00:12:18.940 About
00:12:19.380 You know
00:12:20.340 How much
00:12:22.040 Contents
00:12:23.760 Let's say
00:12:25.340 The auto part has
00:12:27.080 That is quote unquote
00:12:28.700 North American
00:12:29.520 And so
00:12:30.460 I'm sure
00:12:31.860 If he wanted to
00:12:33.000 They could use that
00:12:33.960 As a basis
00:12:34.640 To be like
00:12:35.000 Actually
00:12:35.400 It is not compliant
00:12:36.460 And it might well be
00:12:38.020 According to the agreement
00:12:39.060 But they could just
00:12:40.220 Unilaterally decide
00:12:41.320 As they had
00:12:41.980 In this whole endeavor
00:12:43.460 Thus far anyway
00:12:45.780 To say
00:12:46.780 Not compliant
00:12:47.780 Forget it
00:12:48.540 We're going to tear a few
00:12:49.540 And that's the problem
00:12:51.400 And that's the problem
00:12:51.420 With this guy
00:12:52.140 I guess
00:12:52.640 Isn't it
00:12:53.160 You just
00:12:53.800 You never know
00:12:54.760 What's going to happen
00:12:55.860 Like you
00:12:58.100 You think
00:12:58.660 You've dodged
00:12:59.280 A bullet
00:12:59.680 And then there could be
00:13:00.580 Another barrage
00:13:01.740 Of bullets
00:13:02.180 Heading your way
00:13:02.980 What is
00:13:04.280 And this is
00:13:04.780 An unfair question
00:13:05.600 I know
00:13:05.980 But what do you think
00:13:08.040 Is possibly coming
00:13:09.920 And what do we
00:13:11.080 As a country
00:13:11.880 Need to be doing
00:13:13.460 For the weeks
00:13:14.420 And months
00:13:14.920 And years ahead
00:13:15.800 So I
00:13:17.680 I do think
00:13:18.880 That
00:13:19.380 What he's articulated
00:13:20.740 In terms of
00:13:21.880 Potash
00:13:23.180 Of auto parts
00:13:24.700 And some of the industries
00:13:25.700 That he's clearly
00:13:26.620 Set his eye on
00:13:28.080 He will target
00:13:29.760 And I think
00:13:32.220 It's going to take
00:13:33.500 His
00:13:34.940 His base
00:13:35.820 Average Americans
00:13:37.080 Starting to feel
00:13:38.800 The pinch
00:13:39.580 And actually
00:13:40.440 The consequences
00:13:41.480 Of this decision
00:13:42.940 Before he actually
00:13:45.280 Really
00:13:46.020 Reverses course
00:13:48.200 On it
00:13:48.620 And I think
00:13:49.920 That's where
00:13:50.840 We've seen
00:13:51.760 Some targeting
00:13:52.400 Of messaging
00:13:53.500 Towards
00:13:55.260 The
00:13:56.740 The various states
00:13:58.160 Where Canada
00:13:58.900 Is their largest
00:13:59.820 Trading partner
00:14:00.560 I think
00:14:01.200 To be honest
00:14:02.280 I think
00:14:03.020 The province
00:14:03.660 Has probably done
00:14:04.320 The best job
00:14:05.200 Of going
00:14:06.040 Where his base
00:14:06.900 Is
00:14:07.340 You know
00:14:08.000 I saw
00:14:08.820 The Trudeau
00:14:09.760 Liberals
00:14:10.600 And then
00:14:11.120 I guess
00:14:11.980 Now
00:14:12.360 The Carney
00:14:13.100 Liberals
00:14:13.740 Going
00:14:15.200 On
00:14:15.940 MSNBC
00:14:17.280 CNN
00:14:18.620 Like
00:14:19.040 That's
00:14:19.420 That's not
00:14:19.740 Where his base
00:14:20.400 Is
00:14:20.700 Doug Ford
00:14:21.460 Went
00:14:21.760 Where they are
00:14:22.740 With Fox News
00:14:24.140 And I think
00:14:24.680 There needs to be
00:14:25.300 More of that
00:14:25.960 The targeted
00:14:26.600 Ads
00:14:27.760 To get
00:14:28.600 To his people
00:14:29.760 So that
00:14:30.940 When the prices
00:14:32.000 Go up
00:14:32.640 For their
00:14:33.660 For their
00:14:34.320 Gas
00:14:34.860 For their
00:14:35.300 You know
00:14:35.880 For
00:14:36.160 Their cars
00:14:37.880 And so on
00:14:38.540 They understand
00:14:39.580 Exactly
00:14:40.400 Where that's
00:14:41.320 Coming from
00:14:41.820 And who's
00:14:42.540 Responsible
00:14:43.260 So let's
00:14:44.240 Talk about
00:14:44.720 That
00:14:44.940 Then the
00:14:45.340 Political
00:14:45.680 Response
00:14:46.300 So yesterday
00:14:47.800 Pierre Polly
00:14:48.700 Was
00:14:49.600 So on
00:14:50.180 Wednesday
00:14:50.480 He was
00:14:51.040 In Toronto
00:14:51.700 I went
00:14:52.060 To see
00:14:52.360 Him speak
00:14:52.900 And you
00:14:54.340 Know
00:14:54.420 He talked
00:14:54.760 About his
00:14:55.100 Plan
00:14:55.360 He's got
00:14:55.640 A very
00:14:55.880 Detailed
00:14:56.380 Plan
00:14:56.820 Carney
00:14:58.180 Adopted
00:15:00.280 Kind of
00:15:00.560 A
00:15:00.820 Wait and
00:15:02.080 See
00:15:02.340 Approach
00:15:03.160 And is
00:15:03.820 Going to
00:15:04.100 Speaking
00:15:04.380 To the
00:15:04.760 Premiers
00:15:05.220 On
00:15:06.000 Thursday
00:15:06.580 And I
00:15:07.240 Guess
00:15:07.380 We'll
00:15:07.560 Find out
00:15:07.960 More
00:15:08.300 About the
00:15:08.760 Canadian
00:15:09.060 Government
00:15:09.560 Response
00:15:10.320 The
00:15:10.960 Politics
00:15:11.440 Of this
00:15:11.980 Is
00:15:12.140 Interesting
00:15:12.620 I mean
00:15:12.960 You know
00:15:13.200 It seems
00:15:13.500 To be
00:15:13.720 It's in
00:15:14.020 The
00:15:14.120 Interest
00:15:14.460 Of the
00:15:14.720 Liberals
00:15:15.160 To depict
00:15:15.720 It as
00:15:16.040 The
00:15:16.180 Apocalypse
00:15:16.680 That's
00:15:17.680 In the
00:15:18.000 Interest
00:15:18.480 Of the
00:15:18.820 Conservatives
00:15:19.480 To
00:15:19.740 Minimize
00:15:20.240 It a
00:15:20.520 Bit
00:15:20.700 Where do
00:15:21.580 You think
00:15:21.860 Canadians
00:15:22.420 Are at
00:15:22.920 Or your
00:15:23.220 Constituents
00:15:23.960 What are
00:15:24.260 They saying
00:15:24.740 To you
00:15:25.120 About
00:15:25.420 Their
00:15:26.100 Reaction
00:15:26.640 To what
00:15:27.160 They've
00:15:27.440 Been
00:15:27.580 Hearing
00:15:27.860 Over
00:15:28.100 The
00:15:28.260 Past
00:15:28.540 Few
00:15:28.740 weeks
00:15:29.080 So
00:15:30.400 I
00:15:31.400 Kind of
00:15:32.060 Get
00:15:32.220 Two
00:15:32.460 Responses
00:15:33.260 Which
00:15:33.960 Mirror
00:15:34.540 Kind of
00:15:35.240 The
00:15:35.760 Political
00:15:36.760 Parties
00:15:37.520 But
00:15:38.440 Another
00:15:38.840 Layer
00:15:39.160 That I
00:15:39.520 Have
00:15:39.720 Found
00:15:40.060 Interesting
00:15:40.640 Is
00:15:41.160 The
00:15:41.360 Generational
00:15:42.120 Divide
00:15:43.240 In
00:15:43.660 The
00:15:44.060 Response
00:15:44.540 So
00:15:45.040 My
00:15:46.040 Older
00:15:46.520 Constituents
00:15:47.260 Have
00:15:47.840 Essentially
00:15:49.140 Adopted
00:15:49.880 The
00:15:50.020 Liberal
00:15:50.240 Position
00:15:50.720 This
00:15:51.180 Is
00:15:51.380 An
00:15:51.560 Existential
00:15:52.320 Threat
00:15:52.740 And
00:15:54.220 It
00:15:54.480 Is
00:15:54.680 The
00:15:54.880 Only
00:15:55.140 Issue
00:15:55.560 That
00:15:55.800 Matters
00:15:56.640 And
00:15:58.200 If
00:15:58.560 You
00:15:58.720 Go
00:15:58.960 Younger
00:15:59.540 And
00:15:59.840 I
00:16:01.020 Should
00:16:01.260 Add
00:16:01.520 To
00:16:01.860 Warren
00:16:02.280 I've
00:16:02.660 Knocked
00:16:02.940 On
00:16:03.120 Doors
00:16:03.540 For
00:16:04.120 Other
00:16:04.660 Candidates
00:16:06.260 Here
00:16:06.500 In
00:16:06.800 Toronto
00:16:07.220 And
00:16:07.880 I've
00:16:08.540 Seen
00:16:09.140 That
00:16:09.700 Consistently
00:16:10.680 Represented
00:16:11.320 So
00:16:11.560 It's
00:16:11.720 Not
00:16:11.900 Just
00:16:12.060 My
00:16:12.280 Riding
00:16:12.680 But
00:16:13.660 It's
00:16:13.860 Toronto
00:16:14.200 Wide
00:16:14.580 Or
00:16:15.780 At
00:16:16.120 Least
00:16:16.280 I
00:16:16.420 Guess
00:16:16.600 In
00:16:16.840 The
00:16:17.180 Riding
00:16:17.440 That
00:16:17.680 I've
00:16:17.840 Knocked
00:16:18.240 Doors
00:16:18.560 For
00:16:18.780 And
00:16:19.240 If
00:16:20.320 You
00:16:20.460 Are
00:16:20.600 Younger
00:16:21.080 Your
00:16:22.160 Position
00:16:22.620 Is
00:16:23.060 Sure
00:16:24.160 That
00:16:24.680 This
00:16:25.260 Is
00:16:25.440 Serious
00:16:26.000 But
00:16:26.840 There
00:16:27.700 Were
00:16:27.880 Issues
00:16:28.240 Before
00:16:28.700 Donald
00:16:29.140 Trump
00:16:29.540 We
00:16:30.380 Had
00:16:30.820 Issues
00:16:31.320 Of
00:16:31.780 Safety
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00:17:17.840 And
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00:17:19.000 And
00:17:19.220 Raising
00:17:20.820 i used to live in a one-bedroom shoebox in the sky um i can't begin to imagine how how it is to
00:17:27.560 raise uh a child in that because babies as my wife kept telling me uh come with a lot of stuff
00:17:34.640 and so how but if you want to start a family um that's that's something you have to consider
00:17:42.240 and if you don't have the space if you can't afford uh you know if you're already having
00:17:47.460 challenges with cost of living or living paycheck to paycheck um people are putting off having kids
00:17:53.580 and and you know pierre poly have kind of made reference to that um perhaps in a way that some
00:18:00.980 people didn't like by by talking about the quote biological clock um but when i asked my wife
00:18:07.240 about that and she's like well that's actually very true that that is what uh women like herself
00:18:15.500 think about it's it's just a a physical i guess anatomical react biological reality um so i don't
00:18:24.660 know that it's you know misogynist or however the liberals wanted to paint it um to talk about that
00:18:29.900 because that's what people are thinking about so really a way it's breaking down and i've you know
00:18:34.880 post media we did a poll with leger who's considered the most accurate pollster last couple elections as
00:18:41.760 you know um they get their numbers right better than anybody else what they found is exactly what
00:18:47.800 you've described is older canadians folks with gray hair like me are preoccupied with the existential
00:18:54.880 threat you know the future of canada and younger canadians are saying at the doors i've heard this
00:19:03.500 from conservative mps that you know they they want to own a house they want you know to have the kind
00:19:09.840 of economic freedom that their parents and their grandparents did just so you described so how do
00:19:15.720 you think that's going to play out on the campaign like we were all expecting a rocket it wasn't quite a
00:19:21.560 rocket maybe there's still one out there how do you think yesterday works for uh if it does for
00:19:28.820 carney how does it work for polyev if it does so i i think it is hurtful i think it hurts the the
00:19:37.220 liberal campaign um given that they've kind of uh built one a whole platform around canada strong
00:19:47.220 um around and to be honest i i think donald trump is probably the best thing that ever happened to the
00:19:54.620 liberals right they went from potentially fighting for third party uh to in the house to to now
00:20:03.340 potentially depending on the polls that you you believe forming even a majority and and i'll tell
00:20:12.080 you warren i i was always fearful that they there were some in their camp who wanted to poke the bear
00:20:20.520 because it was helping them electorally um and so what we now see is if that is no longer an issue
00:20:30.380 uh at least for the time being that it's the question then has it shifts canadians around to
00:20:36.320 starting to focus on other things and if you look at housing if you look at crime uh if you look at
00:20:44.140 affordability cost of living and so on canadians are like hold on well you you can't be the party
00:20:50.380 of change if this these have been your policies last 10 years um that that helped to create the
00:20:57.280 conditions that we have to endure today and so i think yesterday was bad for the liberals and good
00:21:04.240 for the conservatives because it brings us back to the very issues that they've been focused on
00:21:09.980 one thing that you and i just changing gears a little bit i've talked about quite a bit now we got
00:21:15.620 to know each other is the surge in anti-semitism but not just anti-semitism you know hatred and
00:21:21.320 division and intolerance in the streets of toronto and the streets of montreal and across the country
00:21:26.800 we seem to be living in a time where there's a lot of anger um a lot of people not talking to each
00:21:34.640 other and you know understanding each other or at least agreeing to disagree um you know you're
00:21:40.420 you've been an independent and beat there's somebody giving their her point of view where
00:21:46.400 do you think um that is going do you think there's a possibility of us coming together um like we did in
00:21:53.540 the past or is it is this problem of of blossoming hate going to continue i think it really depends on
00:22:00.740 our leadership um i i mean you have written extensively about this you know we have existing laws on the
00:22:07.780 books that that aren't being enforced and you know i don't think it's entirely law enforcement
00:22:14.580 uh to blame uh law enforcement may not take direction from politicians but they sure look to us
00:22:20.540 um for signals and especially locally here in toronto um where it is first and foremost it is a municipal
00:22:30.460 line item and so i i'm sure they are looking to the mayor's office for signals on on what to do and
00:22:40.380 you know it's it's no secret uh that the ndp are sympathetic um to the pro-hamas uh agenda
00:22:51.100 and we're seeing that i think unfortunately reflected in the city's policies um even you know at one point
00:22:59.240 we had some key city councilors uh within olivia chow's i increasingly calling them a cartel
00:23:07.560 because they're uh they act like adamant in publicly decriminalizing drugs but what they're they even wrote
00:23:15.880 a letter uh to the toronto police talking about how they shouldn't um they shouldn't be enforcing our
00:23:24.120 laws when it came to these hate rallies and and so i think it really is up to leadership and and if
00:23:31.400 that leadership does not step up and act then we're going to see the escalating violence we've we've seen
00:23:38.040 uh hateful words escalate into actual physical assault we've seen unfortunately businesses in my
00:23:45.640 riding were we're the first to be attacked from from vandalism and graffiti escalating into actually
00:23:53.000 harassing of staff of businesses and customers and so i'm worried that if we don't have real leaders
00:24:01.720 stepping up and intervening that we will see things only get worse well you've been a real leader on the
00:24:07.960 subject and um you know i thank you for your hard work and um you know you've done done some exemplary
00:24:17.240 things so we're grateful for that so as somebody is waking up there uh on your chest what's what's next
00:24:24.200 for you what's you know you've decided like a lot of people do move on from politics and do some other
00:24:29.960 things uh can you tell us what's in store for you at this point yeah you know i let me say that
00:24:36.600 i can always uh in my view i think there you don't have to be in public office to make a public
00:24:42.440 difference and uh there are a lot of different ways to serve um and if i want i guess i can always
00:24:48.360 return uh and seek public office again but my daughter's only going to have one childhood
00:24:53.240 uh and for me that's that's the biggest priority my my parents were always she disagreed my parents
00:25:00.200 were were always there for me when i needed them and i want to be the same for my daughter so
00:25:04.760 um the i've had the chance to connect with a lot of people during my time as as an mp and
00:25:11.400 uh people who share my values in nation building uh in in being dedicated to this country and wanting
00:25:19.400 to make better and so there are um some really incredible leaders um who want to invest in our
00:25:27.560 country um but unlike say the irvings don't necessarily want their name on everything
00:25:32.600 uh and so it was a great fit i guess for a former politician um someone who's able to take
00:25:39.880 a vision uh and a concept and execute it uh that's what i did as an entrepreneur and that's what i did
00:25:45.720 uh for in in my capacity as a reserve officer um for our leadership and so that's what i'm looking forward
00:25:53.240 to doing um next well that's great um well we know great things await you in your future and you've done
00:26:05.000 great things in your your political career and your military career so far so we're grateful to you for
00:26:11.480 your service uh at all levels and look forward to hearing what's next for kevin vong and we express
00:26:18.120 our thanks to your daughter for letting dad talk to us on the kinsella cast thank you so much for
00:26:24.040 having me thanks my friend
00:26:34.520 while you stay the life of the party i could take a long walk off a short pier
00:26:42.040 every complaint every complaint is a nail in the coffin i get it you still hate it here
00:26:51.720 sold my space at the warehouse left my things and just let it bleed out
00:26:59.960 i love the person you are i love the person you are to everyone else but this local heartbreak is wearing me out
00:27:09.640 i said we figure it out
00:27:14.520 you said we're a dream team get away from me
00:27:18.760 me
00:27:28.440 you hit the road whatever you want come home and complain about all the things that i'm not
00:27:36.200 i was not my first greeting left me like you found me i said it before so i can't be shy
00:27:44.440 shocked we said we'd figure it out
00:27:50.120 is every dream team get away from me
00:28:04.120 is
00:28:15.800 is
00:28:21.800 is
00:28:25.800 is
00:28:29.800 is
00:28:31.800 is
00:28:43.480 is
00:28:57.480 is
00:28:59.480 is
00:29:03.160 is
00:29:05.160 and we're back we're back my friend brian lillian brian um
00:29:09.960 this week
00:29:11.160 every week i get
00:29:13.000 correspondence from people total strangers how dare you write for a conservative newspaper
00:29:18.840 conservative leaning newspaper or i get people on the other side of the spectrum saying
00:29:23.160 how dare you how could you actually work for the liberal party that's
00:29:27.960 are traitors and libtards and destroyed our country and it you know i just shake my head and i i
00:29:34.840 i suspect you get the same kind of
00:29:36.040 the same kind of correspondence my question to you is like you you had you tend to you have a
00:29:42.920 conservative type philosophy you're on the conservative spectrum you write from that
00:29:48.120 perspective but that doesn't make brian the lily the enemy of somebody who doesn't share that
00:29:54.360 perspective and i think that's a big problem with our politics right now is people feel that if
00:29:58.760 somebody doesn't agree with them they're the enemy yeah they're they're your political opponent
00:30:05.320 they're not your political enemy they're your political rival they're not uh a traitor to the
00:30:11.720 country you know i always like to point out that you know regardless of which party you're with
00:30:18.440 we tend to agree on what the problems are it's a debate about how to solve the problems
00:30:24.520 you know and and sometimes people from different parties will agree sometimes they won't but
00:30:31.480 nobody disagrees that the cost of living is too high how do you fix it uh housing is currently
00:30:39.480 unaffordable how do you fix it crime is a problem again what's the solution that's you know we're
00:30:48.200 debating about the solutions not whether it's a problem that your local park is overrun with
00:30:54.520 people addicted to fentanyl um so i've got i've got friends um across the the political spectrum i've
00:31:05.000 got friends running in this election for a party that i don't support um i might support them but not
00:31:12.600 their party you know we're all canadians at the end of the day and you've got to get alone and if
00:31:18.360 if your political world is just narrowed down to uh those who agree with you on everything it's
00:31:27.720 going to be pretty small world now i say this as a downtown urban elitist latte sipper
00:31:35.640 who resides in downtown toronto if i didn't hang out with liberals sometimes i wouldn't meet anyone
00:31:40.360 although there's lots of conservatives in downtown toronto trust me um but you know i've always been
00:31:48.040 this way uh so uh yeah i i just don't understand it but look i get the people who think i am uh the
00:31:55.400 emails i was just reading them uh on this beautiful sunday morning i was reading them from people who
00:32:00.200 think i am the smartest person ever and uh from those who think i am the dumbest person ever and a
00:32:07.720 stain on our society who should just you know go get flushed down a toilet somewhere just to play
00:32:13.800 amateur sociologist um with you neither of us are sociologists but like it seems to me um particularly
00:32:21.800 particularly in the trump era that this is if not our number one problem it's pretty close to the top
00:32:29.800 of the list this tendency people have you know because of the device in their pocket or in their purse
00:32:37.400 or whatever to absolutely demonize people like i was interviewing a guy this week for this
00:32:44.360 documentary we're doing and he he used to work at apple and he he said you know we recognize this
00:32:50.600 weird thing 25 years ago where we would have people with accounts and we'd watch them and in person you
00:32:59.560 meet them in person they were charming and nice and polite and so on and then they get online and they
00:33:06.120 turn into fucking maniacs and saying all kinds of horrible things to total strangers and he said
00:33:14.040 it's it's uh become a real problem in society wait what's your take on that do you think it's he's right
00:33:21.000 oh absolutely look i'm i'm a little bit more elbows up on a platform like x which is you know what can
00:33:28.120 be rough and tumble in the debate but you know until somebody makes it personal with me i don't tend to do that
00:33:35.800 uh and a lot of people do they personalize it right away and and it's not just you libtards it's those
00:33:42.760 cons as well who are trying to call us all like everyone gets a little insane uh yeah i had this
00:33:50.760 woman write to me uh yesterday and and and was calling me the nastiest of names i've never heard from
00:33:59.960 her in my life and she's just replying to i i think it was the uh the column i did the other
00:34:08.680 day on mark carney and his tax agent in bermuda which ctv has done the story it was broken by cbc
00:34:18.040 this is a legitimate story and the guy does not like answering questions about setting up his 25 billion us
00:34:24.680 dollar uh green funds above a bike shop in bermuda it's a valid thing to write about but you know i i
00:34:34.680 have attacked that woman's savior uh and therefore i can't say you know i i'm despicable during the
00:34:43.640 conservative leadership race um if i wrote anything that wasn't just negative about a candidate other
00:34:49.400 candidate other than peer polyev or if i criticize polyev as i did many times i i would get the same
00:34:56.600 reaction from uh those people look they're politicians they're fallible um they're they are not some divine
00:35:05.880 being sent down from the heavens uh you know i love quoting um that passage from the bible i forget where
00:35:12.120 where it is uh but put not your trust in princes um and these guys are they're they're just humans
00:35:21.320 like the rest of us i i was debating people uh this week about mark carney and you know that their
00:35:27.880 entire view of why he's the best person to lead the canadian economy right now is because he's an
00:35:32.840 economist and i said well you know who else is an economist peter navarro from harvard he's got a
00:35:40.920 degree in economics from harvard he's got a phd from harvard he taught at university of california
00:35:46.200 for decades and he's the biggest proponent of tariffs so like and taking over canada too by the
00:35:53.720 way yeah and and i'm you know i don't raise this to make a a partisan point but this credentialism or this
00:36:00.600 uh deifying of the people that you like and look the trump guys do it as well and we've seen you know
00:36:07.560 some of the truanons switch over to carney i don't think it's quite as bad as when justin was in but
00:36:12.520 you know some of them switched over um you know oh okay great uh carney has a a phd in economics
00:36:19.960 doesn't mean he doesn't have some bad policies uh they all have good policies and they all have bad
00:36:25.240 policies but navarro has a phd from harvard kevin has it who's um has another he's another economic
00:36:31.880 advisor to trump he has a phd in economics from the university of pennsylvania very well regarded
00:36:37.080 business school and taught at columbia business school he's a big proponent of tariffs right now
00:36:42.680 too so i think you and i would agree that tariffs are a bad idea but if we subscribe to this idea of
00:36:49.080 oh if someone has a certain credential they must know everything no no maybe it's because i'm friends
00:36:55.480 with lawyers and doctors and economists and p you know i'm related to people with phds and so
00:37:02.040 when you see your family members and they've got a doctorate you know you're not going oh well they
00:37:07.000 must be really smart no because you see them at christmas and they still have baby they still
00:37:13.400 have baby drool on the shirt that they're wearing yeah yeah so like come on so well the two key
00:37:19.400 words i think well you had many important words there uh but to column so i would just encourage
00:37:25.000 everybody to remember brian said column he wrote a column it's an opinion it's an expression of of an
00:37:31.640 opinion and the world's not going to end because brian expressed an opinion but you also used another
00:37:37.800 word which has become important this week which is candidate so we have seen i mean the landscape is
00:37:43.640 littered with the corpses of candidates have been thrown overboard by the tories and the new democrats and
00:37:49.960 the liberals all those have lost six i know it's crazy so like what is happening like just as a
00:37:56.920 general principle because god knows nobody wants you and i to express an opinion but as a general
00:38:02.200 principle are the parties uh getting worse at candidate green light maybe you should explain what green light
00:38:10.120 is and are they getting bad at it because i've never seen this many being thrown overboard in you know
00:38:16.200 my many years involved in campaigns not at the federal level we had fun a couple of years ago at
00:38:21.240 the provincial level we sure did and mc smack i found i found that one that was fun yeah you did a
00:38:30.040 great job on that every party hires or someone or has a volunteer that goes through and you know in this
00:38:37.720 day and age they have to check their social media i remember talking in the 2022 campaign to someone that
00:38:44.280 did it for the ontario pcs and they said when i started out in this i didn't think i'd be checking
00:38:49.320 only fans
00:38:53.640 and for those that don't know only fans it's a content creator space um that is primarily porn uh
00:39:02.040 and you can subscribe to someone's content uh and and so like yeah they have to look and see
00:39:08.600 has someone been posting or subscribing um you know a few years ago there was the ashley madison
00:39:15.640 leak and i only heard after the fact that all the parties basically came to an agreement that they
00:39:21.800 weren't touching this uh because they all had candidates including sitting mps who would use
00:39:27.240 parliamentary email addresses and credit cards to sign up for that site but so i was talking with um
00:39:34.520 um you know one tory about their candidate in windsor that they dropped he you know was talking about
00:39:41.320 bringing back public hangings now it was described that he had suggested justin true to be hank i listened
00:39:46.680 to it and i don't think he suggested that uh but i still think what he said disqualified him but what they
00:39:54.200 said was this these comments were made on a podcast that had been deleted but someone had a copy there you go
00:40:04.280 so in that instance they said yeah we did our due diligence uh but we lost it there's an attempt
00:40:09.880 to try and get a conservative candidate in vancouver named aaron gundrop that i think is you know going
00:40:17.000 way too far it's because he rejects the use of the term genocide for residential schools he calls what
00:40:23.640 happened at them horrific says i don't like the term genocide and so you know there's this big push of
00:40:29.880 like you reject the term genocide you can't run um you know it's is that where we're at now
00:40:38.680 i hope not um yes it's pretty weak sauce well where are we at so um abacus is just at a few minutes ago
00:40:48.040 showing the parties tied you've got uh nanos uh let's forget about ecos but you know nanos and some
00:40:55.640 others showing stuff that's dramatically different and then so you've got two groups of pollsters you've
00:41:02.280 got nanos and legate and ipsos which are all about a six-point lead for the liberals and then you've
00:41:08.840 got innovative and abacus innovative has the conservatives up by 138 to 37. abacus has them
00:41:15.880 tied at 39 but a two-point lead for the conservatives on people who are definitely going to vote um
00:41:24.280 um well what does brian lilly think where do you think things are at um i'm always trying to look at
00:41:32.040 the regional numbers and the demographic breakdowns and just like we're not getting a clear sense among
00:41:38.120 these top pollsters you know the two groups they're even once they're in the same groups their their
00:41:44.920 regional breakdowns and their demographic breakdowns are quite different all over the map so i you know
00:41:52.520 my sense is the electorate is still fluid but the advantage is to um the liberals right now and if
00:42:00.040 you look at the ontario numbers that abacus has it's a six-point lead uh innovative has them tied in
00:42:07.080 ontario that's at 41 apiece that's still not good enough to win the conservatives probably need 80 cents
00:42:15.000 80 seats in ontario to win they're not getting that right now um you know that the
00:42:22.280 conservatives will sweep alberta the liberals are mostly going to sweep atlantic canada
00:42:28.520 so it's a wash canada 37 in alberta yeah that's a wash um if the conservatives you know get 12 seats
00:42:37.800 in quebec that's good they'd have to get about 17 or so you know in british columbia seven in manitoba
00:42:45.640 that still leaves them needing it in the neighborhood of 80 seats in ontario and um that's
00:42:52.840 a big order to fill yeah right now like if if the numbers came in the way they are 45 for the the
00:42:59.960 liberals 39 uh the conservatives in 10 for the ndp i don't know how those splits go because you know
00:43:07.160 some of that like here in toronto center they're running up the score and that helps inflate that
00:43:12.360 number just thinking so trust yeah true but it's the conservatives are doing it but what's happening
00:43:17.640 in the 905 in the niagara belt in eastern ontario um you know i'm not used to predicting where the ndp
00:43:28.120 is down at 10 percent it could be a very interesting split to me this would say maybe liberal minority
00:43:36.040 uh based on these numbers other polls are saying they're already at a liberal majority but three
00:43:42.520 weeks to go including the debates um but the really interesting trend and coletto and his team have
00:43:48.840 been commenting on this and some others have pointed it out i'll be writing on it soon is the generational
00:43:56.520 divide um let's end let's end on this yeah okay 55 plus are in love with carny under
00:44:05.800 55 mostly sticking with the conservatives and what's the difference over 55 their biggest issue
00:44:13.080 is donald trump under its cost of living housing affordability so we're having two very different
00:44:18.920 elections and that's an inversion isn't it from how things used to be right tory's always had support
00:44:25.240 of people older canadians and it was the liberals who had young people this is a flip like it's it's
00:44:31.320 pretty extraordinary one bigly in 2015 due to young people showing up to vote um but the thing is
00:44:40.920 we're used to the boomers being the biggest demographic cohort and they're not anymore it's
00:44:46.600 millennials and so a lot of people scratching their heads including our friend cory tonight saying
00:44:54.120 why aren't the conservatives uh you know going harder on trump they need those 55 plus i think they
00:45:00.040 might be looking and saying we think we can pull this off if we can get the gen z the uh the millennials
00:45:08.920 and the gen xers to show up um and there's so i did the the stats we got there's 19 million people
00:45:17.320 under 55 and 13 million over it's whether they can get those folks out you know that's big question big
00:45:24.840 question well listen you've answered many of them uh in our chat this week and uh appreciate it and we
00:45:30.840 appreciate the expression of your opinion whether we agree with it or not it's good uh it's good for
00:45:37.560 journalism it's good for democracy so brian lilly thank you sir thank you
00:45:45.720 uh
00:45:58.600 um
00:46:06.600 Rushing into walls
00:46:24.040 We're never breaking through
00:46:28.860 Like latest superpowers
00:46:35.580 But never thought we're true
00:46:42.900 No gender, surrender
00:46:53.900 The Ushiko, it carries me away
00:47:05.580 The Ushiko, it carries me away
00:47:12.900 The Ushiko, it carries me away
00:47:20.220 The Ushiko, it carries me away
00:47:28.220 A mirror, mirror, mirror
00:47:33.540 Nothing's getting clearer
00:47:35.540 But you feel what's wrong
00:47:40.860 When it feels like a night
00:47:42.860 When it feels like a night
00:47:44.860 When it feels like a night
00:47:46.860 The Ushiko, it carries me away
00:47:54.180 The Ushiko, it carries me away
00:48:01.500 Contender
00:48:06.820 Contender
00:48:08.820 Turn it up and then turn it up again
00:48:12.820 Then turn it up again
00:48:16.820 Contender
00:48:19.140 Contender
00:48:20.140 Defender
00:48:21.140 Like nothing
00:48:22.140 Now or again
00:48:24.140 Or again
00:48:26.140 Right into your center
00:48:33.140 The Ushiko, it carries me away
00:48:40.460 The Ushiko, it carries me away
00:48:42.460 The Ushiko, it carries me away
00:48:57.780 The Ushiko, it carries me away
00:49:01.780 We'll be right back.
00:49:31.780 We'll be right back.
00:50:01.780 We'll be right back.
00:50:31.780 We'll be right back.
00:51:01.780 We'll be right back.
00:51:31.760 We'll be right back.
00:52:01.760 We'll be right back.
00:52:31.760 We can't dip into any under-the-radar bands that anybody else might like currently at the moment, maybe in the future.
00:52:36.640 But let's start about, well, you talk about a song that's been dropped.
00:52:39.940 Instead, it's candidates who have been dropped or, in one case, left on their own.
00:52:45.460 The Paul Chiang story early in the week, creating news first with Mark Carney sticking with the candidate.
00:52:52.600 And then, as we learned more of a broader investigation connected to his suggestions a political rival should be turned over to the Chinese consulate in return for a bounty Chiang, he left on his own.
00:53:04.520 Since then, we've seen another liberal candidate ousted for comments made years past about Hamas and Hezbollah, some positive comments about those two terrorist organizations, and five candidates dropped by the conservatives.
00:53:18.940 We saw a bit of a difference from the conservatives, especially early on, for how they handled these situations.
00:53:25.760 But I'm wondering, and Carl, I want to start with you, because we've seen this quick movement and this response level over the course of this week after Chiang was creating problems for Mark Carney and the way that Carney responded to it early on.
00:53:42.960 It seems to me, Carl, like this is all just turned into a bunch of noise that voters potentially might be looking past.
00:53:50.560 Would you agree with that?
00:53:51.420 Yeah, absolutely, and it's funny because when the Paul Chiang story broke last Friday, it seemed invisible that Paul Chiang was going to be, you know, dropped by the liberals eventually.
00:54:07.040 It seemed clear to everyone but the liberal strategist and Mark Carney.
00:54:11.580 And that story lasted like four days, and, you know, even when the prime minister, you know, was not doing media availability, you know, they had multiple opportunities to drop him, and they waited and waited, and you thought maybe on the, you know, the first time he comes out on Monday morning, Mark Carney will announce that guy is gone.
00:54:31.880 But no, he defended him again and again and again.
00:54:35.140 So it was kind of incomprehensible.
00:54:38.300 So in terms of crisis management, conservatives did better when, as soon as they found out there was a problem with one of the candidates, they were dropping them.
00:54:48.220 But the problem is that they dropped so many.
00:54:51.020 I mean, three in a day, I think, is a record in federal politics.
00:54:54.140 And the problem for the conservatives is that even though the Paul Chiang story should be damaging, the fact that the conservatives had so much more, and the kind of comments that they made, and why they were dropped, reinforced the perception in Canadian voters that, you know,
00:55:12.180 the people that are kind of people that are kind of the maple mega, that's the reason why we don't want to have a party of government in the mind of voters, that's reinforced that perception, even though they acted, it doesn't matter, why did they get there in the first place?
00:55:32.160 Why were they candidates?
00:55:33.800 It's not exactly like these posts and these podcasts that they were, you know, found guilty of, were a secret.
00:55:44.720 That's the problem for the conservatives.
00:55:46.540 Tasha, this is something that we've seen in recent years where it's a new reality.
00:55:50.140 If you have any kind of social media past, well, guess what?
00:55:52.760 A bunch of, all your political opponents are going to start looking for these, and if not them, then it's members of the media.
00:55:58.640 It's a new reality, and I don't think many candidates have properly adapted to it.
00:56:03.860 Well, I don't think they've adapted to it, and I think that parties also haven't fully adapted to it, because there is just so much.
00:56:10.700 People start posting when they're, you know, in their teens.
00:56:13.660 Now even kids are circumventing the age limits and posting things all over the place.
00:56:18.320 So you can find things that are years old.
00:56:21.920 People may have even changed their minds, in which case they can't apologize.
00:56:25.640 That other liberal candidate refused to apologize for a hip-hop segment he had filmed, in which Hamas and Hezbollah were praised, I think, 16 or 14 years ago.
00:56:36.440 These kinds of things haunt you, and parties are supposed to find them.
00:56:40.360 But the reality is they may not find every single thing.
00:56:43.440 But to Carl's point, what it does show is who's going to join your team.
00:56:47.880 So if you do have a raft of candidates who are all dismissed for the same type of social media posting, whether it is racist or whether it is misogynist or whatever it was, that speaks to the kind of people that you keep company with.
00:57:04.320 And that's where voters can be uncomfortable and say, you know what, I don't feel comfortable being in that club.
00:57:09.940 That's not me.
00:57:10.880 I wouldn't hang out with people who say X.
00:57:13.180 And if that's the kind of people that are their friends, their candidates, maybe it's not for me.
00:57:17.800 So it does have an effect when you have so many people being dumped in one week.
00:57:23.260 The Chang thing definitely shouldn't have gone on as long as it did.
00:57:26.040 And that was a very bad judgment call.
00:57:29.720 But, you know, the Liberals have lost two.
00:57:32.160 The Conservatives have lost five.
00:57:34.200 And the Conservatives are still asked to drop a candidate in B.C. that probably have a standing by.
00:57:38.880 So the story's not over.
00:57:40.160 And despite number counts, Warren, it's still the biggest issue here still goes back to Chang.
00:57:44.960 And even though we talk about it potentially creating just noise, it's still something that I look at as a chink in the armor for the Liberal leader who is perceived as the frontrunner right now.
00:57:53.720 Well, they both look bad.
00:57:56.040 You know, in the case of the Liberals, they were aware of a problem and they tried to stonewall on it for a couple days at least.
00:58:05.140 And it made Carney look like he was dithering and unable to make a decision.
00:58:11.240 In the case of Polyev, he moved quickly, but he actually had so many candidates to get rid of, we can't keep track of them.
00:58:20.640 And there's more to come, I guarantee you guys.
00:58:22.760 It's like I, you know, I used to run war rooms for the federal Liberals and provincial Liberals.
00:58:29.160 And the very first thing we do when we're dealing with a candidate, when we're checking them out, you know, they always say, oh, let's go get the other guy.
00:58:36.820 And I always would say, no, we're going to check you out first.
00:58:42.200 And like I say to my kids, you know, the Internet is forever.
00:58:45.720 If you do something stupid, if you say something cruel or racist or sexist or homophobic, Warren or somebody like Warren is going to find it.
00:58:57.560 All I need is enough time and a bit of a budget and I will find it.
00:59:02.000 And that so what I don't understand with the Tories is how they greenlit so many lunatics and and let them through.
00:59:10.760 And what I don't understand with the Liberals is how they had this guy in their caucus and they didn't know they had a problem.
00:59:17.840 But, you know, with when Trudeau was there as leader, you know, he'd been wearing blackface for years, as he later admitted.
00:59:25.180 And the party greenlit him as a candidate anyway.
00:59:28.680 So it's it's a big problem for all of them.
00:59:31.320 And it's a bad look for all of them.
00:59:33.540 If I go back in time, for example, a couple of years and I see a candidate that says, you know what, I'm not a big fan of that song, Shays Long by Wet Legs.
00:59:40.200 And I'm not voting for them.
00:59:41.880 Sorry, they're completely out of the line as far as I'm concerned.
00:59:44.580 The campaign, the campaign, once again, was upended in the middle of the week as we had a return, a reminder of the issue that is framing all of this.
00:59:52.020 It's the United States with the escalation of a global trade war by Donald Trump, something that we have seen over the course of the last week in response to this.
01:00:00.380 I believe we are getting more of an indication potentially of a dividing line between the Liberals and the Conservatives in terms of vision and where we go from here.
01:00:09.940 A lot more from the conservative side, all the way down to Premier Doug Ford, in fact, talking about the potential for a zero tariff reality.
01:00:16.520 But what we're hearing from the Liberals, for example, is a talk about, hey, we have to move on instead of having better ties or stronger ties with the U.S.
01:00:24.860 We have to look elsewhere.
01:00:25.780 Even saying things are going so far, maybe it's visionary, maybe it's also highly unrealistic, suggesting that if the United States doesn't want to lead the economic world and that's something that Canada could do, are we starting to see just a bigger dichotomy between these three parties, Tasha, on where we could be headed and what this vote actually means for our relations with our closest neighbour?
01:00:50.600 Yeah, there is a bit of a dividing line in the sense that, you know, Carney's immediate reaction is to pivot overseas and to say, you know, the relationship is over with the United States.
01:01:02.480 It was a very dramatic statement that he made.
01:01:04.720 Our traditional relationship is over.
01:01:06.760 And people focused on that because, you know, what does that mean?
01:01:10.360 Does that mean, like you said, that we're just we're not going to we're not going to try and fix it?
01:01:16.020 We are going to be renegotiating Kuzma.
01:01:18.680 All parties said that.
01:01:19.820 In fact, Pierre Polyev, Carney said he got a commitment from Trump to do that after the election, assuming he's in the chair.
01:01:27.740 Polyev said that's the first thing he would do, actually, he said to French television this week, was to renegotiate Kuzma.
01:01:34.860 So, you know, there's an agreement on that, that we will try and redo our trade deal with the U.S.
01:01:41.900 But with the rest of it, there is a sense, I think, in the liberal camp that we've got to pivot overseas more and find other friends, whereas in the conservative camp.
01:01:53.100 And I think this is just a reality, too, is that there is a more pro-American sentiment in general within the conservative camp.
01:01:59.620 So Pierre Polyev cannot go as far as to say, well, you know, we're going to junk the U.S.
01:02:05.220 Because people, some people are actually favorable still to what Trump is doing.
01:02:08.920 I don't know how they are now with the state of the markets, quite frankly, but, you know, maybe that's just me.
01:02:13.020 And we're likely going to see some additional changes, especially if we're deep in the red again on Monday and it's starting to hit Canadians.
01:02:21.220 Remember, there's a lot of investment in the United States as well.
01:02:23.580 Warren, talking about Mark Carney and the terms of the level of, I guess, optimism, if you suggest that Canada could be the economic leader of planet Earth,
01:02:35.560 is that something that voters would gravitate towards, that kind of aggressively ambitious statement?
01:02:43.020 Well, you have two kinds of statements in an election campaign.
01:02:46.460 You have negative ones, you have positive ones, you know, you have hope and you have fear.
01:02:51.640 So that one fell in the positive and hope category.
01:02:55.040 I was surprised by it.
01:02:56.200 I think a lot of people were.
01:02:58.080 But then, you know, you sat down and you thought about it.
01:03:00.480 It's like a pair of shoes.
01:03:01.580 You try it on.
01:03:02.200 It's like, yeah, why not?
01:03:03.220 You know, why can't we be a leader for democracy and free trade and decency and pluralism in the Western world?
01:03:11.980 Why not?
01:03:12.500 But certainly in North America, we would be a contender for that title.
01:03:17.700 So I thought it was a positive statement.
01:03:21.080 Is it overreaching?
01:03:22.140 Maybe.
01:03:23.120 But, you know, I noted that Polly Ev didn't attack him for saying that.
01:03:27.880 You know, I saw Polly Ev speak to a Bay Street crowd in Toronto this past week, and he was saying similar things.
01:03:35.320 And that's what I've been struck by with the two guys.
01:03:37.660 Is that, you know, really, if you objectively, not as a partisan, but if you objectively look at what they're saying, there's not a meaningful difference between them on a lot of issues.
01:03:49.120 Because they really sound, you know, Polly Ev's increasingly sounding like a progressive conservative.
01:03:53.720 And Carney has always sounded like a blue liberal.
01:03:57.240 So, you know, anyway, a bit of positive.
01:03:59.140 It's good.
01:03:59.520 Carl, something that I've noticed over the course of this past week is that when it comes to where the NDP has stood, the message that seems to be getting pushed the most is still one that's far away from – well, I'm not going to say far away.
01:04:10.820 There have been remarks that have been made by Jagmeet Singh about Donald Trump, that's certain, but a lot of the general conversation is still centering around, well, the New Democrats, they're the party that will fight for workers versus what the other federal parties would do.
01:04:23.820 And also several mentions of Brookfield and Mark Carney's past with that group.
01:04:28.400 Is that the correct way to go for the NDP, given their position in the polls at the moment, to try to set out that different message and try to set themselves apart more versus the Canadian political parties instead of versus the United States government?
01:04:43.140 Well, they have to try to chip away at the carny, shiny armor and part of the NDP is spending too much time still attacking Pierre Poiliev and reminding people of why a Pierre Poiliev government would be scary.
01:04:57.280 So the shift needed to happen, and in terms of policy with regards to the Trump administration, they have put a few things in the window that are interesting.
01:05:10.740 The problem for the Democrats is that they are not part of the main political narrative.
01:05:15.220 In fact, it's a problem for the Bloc Québécois, and the conservatives are part of that narrative, but the problem is it's not helping them.
01:05:21.540 And Poiliev did this pivot, but the truth is when Mark Carney is able to wear his act as Prime Minister of Canada, as opposed to the act of the Liberal leader, it's helping him.
01:05:35.600 And in that sense, when Donald Trump comes out and makes these announcements, it's helping Mark Carney every single time.
01:05:42.640 It's helping Mark Carney and the Liberal Party win, and we saw it this week, even though Canada was not specifically targeted with the reciprocal tariffs.
01:05:53.540 It allowed Mark Carney to look prime ministerial, to look the part, to look serious, to show some confidence in our ability to get through this.
01:06:01.800 And Canadians are looking at that, and they're saying, yeah, that's what we want.
01:06:05.320 We do not want the other guy who looks too much like Trump, who acts too much like Trump, who has candidates that are Maple, MAGA, to reinforce all those perceptions we see on the campaign trail.
01:06:17.680 Much like with Ontario Premier Doug Ford during the provincial election, it gives Carney a bit of an unfair advantage in some regard.
01:06:24.420 I'm actually glad that I can look at my computer screen today, because I've only recently put my eyes back in my head after they rolled out from Preston Manning's piece in the Globe and Mail this week.
01:06:35.320 And by the way, if anybody at the tax board wants to call me out, if I accidentally call him Peyton at some point, then please do so.
01:06:43.020 But when he had a headline that suggested that Mark Carney being elected to be a threat to national sovereignty, when in that very column, it is Preston Manning himself who made a threat about national sovereignty.
01:06:56.060 With his remarks, which, by the way, echoes something that he said back in 2019, so he's just repeating himself.
01:07:02.880 With Danielle Smith, the Alberta Premier, the Alberta Premier suggesting that if Carney wins, there could be a What's Next panel where, hey, maybe a referendum where Alberta leaves could be on the table.
01:07:15.220 Well, Warren, I read these remarks, and I think, are you serious?
01:07:21.040 Is this something that's really happening?
01:07:22.880 And I can't, it's like, are they misreading a level of sentiment in the country?
01:07:27.140 Or is this something that maybe there is some kind of a national unity crisis if we see another liberal government?
01:07:33.360 No, they're trying to manufacture one.
01:07:35.220 They're trying to manufacture a crisis.
01:07:38.200 And basically, you know, any of us who've got kids have seen this before.
01:07:42.940 You know, the kid who goes to the playground and it's not going their way, so they take their ball and go home.
01:07:48.080 So that's what Danielle Smith and Preston Manning are.
01:07:51.480 They're sucky babies.
01:07:53.040 They expected their boy to win.
01:07:55.320 Their boy is losing.
01:07:56.720 According to some polls, he is losing badly.
01:07:59.920 It's up to double digits now.
01:08:01.640 So they're saying, well, you know what, there's going to be a national unity crisis because you didn't vote the way we wanted.
01:08:08.360 And it's like, my answer to the two of them is, you guys had a 30-point lead at the start of the year, and you pooched it.
01:08:15.480 Because people like Danielle Smith went down to Mar-a-Lago cap in hand to suck up to Donald Trump.
01:08:21.880 That's why you lost your 30-point lead.
01:08:24.300 That's why you have lost this election so far.
01:08:27.560 It's because you misread the country.
01:08:30.300 The country is on side with having a forceful but adult response to Donald Trump, not sucking up to him.
01:08:38.740 And, you know, I think Preston Manning and Danielle Smith, they're among the worst of us this week.
01:08:45.380 Carl, would you agree that statements like this, they are actually doing their cause more harm than they are good?
01:08:51.640 Oh, absolutely.
01:08:53.860 Absolutely.
01:08:54.800 It's what Preston Manning and Danielle Smith have done during this campaign has armed the Pierre Polyev campaign.
01:09:02.780 And this latest op-ed certainly didn't help Polyev.
01:09:06.760 What's funny to me as a Quebecer is that these guys and people that supported the Reform Party back in the days,
01:09:15.200 you know, they were the most anti-Quebec separatists that you could find.
01:09:22.420 And they hated the Quebec separatists in a way that even us in Quebec, who are not separatists, could not comprehend.
01:09:29.660 And we were looking at them in the way they were responding to the Quebec separatist movement as unhelpful and counterproductive.
01:09:37.680 And here we go again.
01:09:39.000 But they're doing it against their own guys.
01:09:42.200 It's mind-boggling.
01:09:43.700 I don't understand it.
01:09:45.360 But there we go.
01:09:46.620 Like, this is the kind of behavior that is actually helping the other side, helping Mark Carney.
01:09:53.940 And it's counterproductive, and clearly this week, and you add to that the trip of Daniel Smith going to, you know,
01:10:03.060 to the United States trying to convince the Americans to help Pierre Polyev and to spread the news that we need to elect Donald Trump allies in Canada.
01:10:14.900 Again, unhelpful for Pierre Polyev's campaign.
01:10:17.640 I would still believe it's more harm to Danielle Smith's own standing.
01:10:22.220 There are several conservative premiers in the country of Canada with different views.
01:10:26.960 And Pierre Polyev, Tasha, this week, he did stand up, and he distanced himself from Preston Manning.
01:10:34.500 It's like, provided that things don't continue and more conversations go along, I take a look at this.
01:10:39.580 This is something that the CPC and Polyev can still push aside.
01:10:45.400 Yeah, yes and no.
01:10:47.140 I think it continues to – it's another layer, right?
01:10:50.180 This is what happened to the campaign.
01:10:52.840 It's a layer sort of build of trust or lack of trust.
01:10:56.680 And this goes to, you know, we talked earlier about the five candidates who, for extremist reasons mostly, were let go.
01:11:03.460 Now you have – on the same week you had Preston Manning saying that Mark Carney is dangerous for the country.
01:11:10.620 Like, I mean, you know, that kind of statement, it's like, whoa, where does this – where does this – people are going to pay attention to that?
01:11:16.340 Because there's such an out-there statement.
01:11:17.540 Like, what?
01:11:18.060 Why?
01:11:18.800 And that then builds, like, oh, they're stirring that pot.
01:11:22.160 That, okay, well, you know, we can't trust them either.
01:11:24.900 Look, that's – those people are Pierre Polyev's people too, aren't they?
01:11:27.640 Yeah, they're Western conservatives.
01:11:28.960 Yeah, look at that.
01:11:29.760 Oh, my goodness.
01:11:30.380 They're not in favor of Canada.
01:11:31.640 What's going on?
01:11:32.260 Like, again, it becomes an ick factor and people just go, no, I'm just not – I'm not down with that.
01:11:39.540 And it's also very Trumpian, the type of personal attack that, you know, like lock her up, that sort of thing that Trump was blaring about Hillary Clinton, such dangerous, bad, nasty woman.
01:11:51.500 And the conservative style, Preston Manning's outing, Danielle Smith's statements, they're all in this kind of angry, circle the wagons, you know, pointing fingers, bad other guys.
01:12:03.240 And I think in this context, when people feel that Canada is in legitimate danger but not from separatists, it's from danger from the U.S., that doesn't concord with the public mood.
01:12:13.020 And so, to my colleague's statement, they misread the room on this.
01:12:16.560 Everyone's misreading – unless they have another agenda.
01:12:18.480 And I will say, you know, I will not put that past Daniel Smith's ambitions, other people's ambitions.
01:12:25.400 They may be looking and saying, well, if Pierre Polyev bites the dust, who's next, right?
01:12:29.360 So, who knows what's going on, but none of it is good for the conservatives.
01:12:33.340 Okay, folks, we are desperately out of time.
01:12:35.120 I'm going to head to the news and I'm going to crank a Wet Legs new single.
01:12:38.640 Thank you so much, all three of you.
01:12:40.180 Have a great weekend.
01:12:41.760 Bye, Chris.
01:12:42.520 That's Carl Belanger, Warren Kinsella, and Tasha Carradine.
01:12:48.480 Bye, Chris.
01:13:18.480 We'll see you next time.
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01:13:52.060 You can't do this all in love
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01:16:01.020 Welcome back to the Ben Mulrooney Show
01:16:09.700 And every now and then, something happens in politics
01:16:13.380 That defies all logic, all expectation, all reasonable belief
01:16:19.900 That it's going to end one way and it goes another
01:16:22.560 And so for the past four days
01:16:24.840 We have been occupied with a story
01:16:27.980 That should have been put to rest on day one
01:16:31.860 It was uncovered that a few months ago
01:16:33.700 A candidate vying for a seat in the GTA
01:16:39.200 The Greater Toronto Area
01:16:40.740 Had suggested that his opponent be kidnapped
01:16:45.220 By his opponents in China
01:16:49.180 And sent to China
01:16:50.280 And whoever brings them there
01:16:51.480 Could collect a $1 million bounty
01:16:53.460 This was the most bananas bonkers thing
01:16:58.180 That first of all
01:17:00.020 That it wasn't talked about
01:17:01.400 Since the guy said the things in the first place
01:17:04.700 Eventually did
01:17:05.520 But for four days
01:17:07.180 Everyone's been saying
01:17:08.140 This is a layup for Mark Carney
01:17:09.760 Just do the right thing
01:17:11.120 Maintain the moral high ground
01:17:12.960 Turf the guy
01:17:13.980 And move on
01:17:15.100 And for four days
01:17:16.200 He did nothing
01:17:16.840 Well he gets in front of a podium today
01:17:19.500 And I believe Mackenzie Gray of Global News
01:17:22.260 Asked him
01:17:22.920 What are you going to do with this guy
01:17:24.000 And he said that
01:17:25.980 His candidate Chang apologized
01:17:28.580 First of all he didn't apologize
01:17:29.980 He offered an apology
01:17:31.340 But it doesn't really matter
01:17:33.680 It was a veteran policeman
01:17:35.640 And he is an honorable man
01:17:38.420 And therefore
01:17:39.280 This is a teachable moment
01:17:40.620 To lift right out of Justin Trudeau's playbook
01:17:44.840 And he's going to stay on
01:17:46.540 It is an abdication of moral leadership
01:17:48.820 And so to discuss this
01:17:50.340 As well as the polls
01:17:51.960 And whether or not Mark Carney
01:17:53.060 Has a Quebec problem
01:17:54.920 We're joined by Warren Kinsella
01:17:56.720 The former special advisor to Jean Chrétien
01:17:58.340 And CEO of the Daisy Group
01:18:00.640 Warren
01:18:00.960 This just
01:18:02.540 What do you make of this?
01:18:04.280 It blows me away
01:18:06.440 Yeah
01:18:06.780 Like I
01:18:07.680 Like this is easy
01:18:09.620 Yeah
01:18:10.080 Like it was simple
01:18:10.980 All of us thought
01:18:12.100 Okay all of us were puzzled
01:18:13.820 Why Carney was waiting all weekend
01:18:15.920 To dump this guy
01:18:17.580 Who's done something
01:18:19.100 And I'm putting on my lawyer's hat here
01:18:20.920 That arguably approaches
01:18:23.460 A criminal offense
01:18:25.000 He's urging
01:18:26.260 A regime
01:18:28.700 That is hostile to this country
01:18:30.360 To commit an offense
01:18:32.460 Against a citizen of Canada
01:18:34.700 Yeah
01:18:35.000 Okay
01:18:35.400 So that's problematic enough
01:18:37.260 But Carney said nothing on this all weekend
01:18:39.920 Was hiding from the media
01:18:41.600 For the most part
01:18:42.500 And then we get this extraordinary statement
01:18:45.240 Where he says
01:18:46.160 He's standing by
01:18:47.300 This guy
01:18:48.340 Paul Chang
01:18:49.500 Who has said that
01:18:51.180 Joe Tay
01:18:51.720 The conservative candidate
01:18:52.940 Should be handed over
01:18:54.760 To the Chinese regime
01:18:56.160 Which has put a bounty on his head
01:18:58.180 Yeah
01:18:58.780 This is the party
01:19:00.400 That wraps itself in the charter
01:19:01.740 When it suits them
01:19:02.680 But the second
01:19:03.240 That somebody's rights
01:19:04.220 Are trampled on
01:19:05.800 Feels unsafe
01:19:06.660 That all of a sudden
01:19:07.580 You know
01:19:08.600 It's a teachable moment for us
01:19:10.000 And it's a measure of character
01:19:12.660 Yeah
01:19:13.000 And in this case
01:19:13.720 Mark Carney's character
01:19:15.320 Well
01:19:15.620 But that's
01:19:16.280 Warren
01:19:17.260 I've got to ask
01:19:17.840 Listen
01:19:18.060 They've been very good
01:19:19.600 At protecting their leader
01:19:21.280 From really
01:19:22.720 Any real scrutiny
01:19:23.840 I don't think
01:19:24.380 It's a bad faith argument
01:19:26.300 To say that
01:19:26.940 I've never seen
01:19:28.180 A less accountable candidate
01:19:29.360 In terms of
01:19:29.980 Willingness
01:19:30.660 To talk to the press
01:19:31.960 You know
01:19:32.380 He'll take a question
01:19:33.200 And then the second
01:19:34.540 He answers it
01:19:35.360 Like he did with his word salad
01:19:36.800 On the
01:19:38.280 On the Quebec law
01:19:39.840 He turned on his heels
01:19:41.600 And walked away
01:19:42.140 And press conference over
01:19:43.000 There's no ability
01:19:43.980 For the press
01:19:44.580 To push back
01:19:45.560 Anytime he says
01:19:46.920 Anything of significance
01:19:48.060 And so
01:19:49.440 Because we don't know
01:19:50.720 A lot about him
01:19:51.680 And that's been by design
01:19:52.600 I don't think
01:19:53.640 It's wrong
01:19:54.120 For us to have questions
01:19:55.300 About why this is
01:19:56.640 This is too weird
01:19:57.720 This is too weird
01:19:59.180 For us to just accept
01:20:00.180 The answer that we were given
01:20:01.440 And it doesn't work
01:20:03.940 You know
01:20:04.280 Going back
01:20:04.980 When I ran
01:20:05.760 Corinthians War Room
01:20:06.780 In 93
01:20:07.300 You remember the moment
01:20:08.820 All of us remember
01:20:10.160 When we were around
01:20:11.440 Kim Campbell saying
01:20:12.820 An election is not a time
01:20:14.200 To discuss
01:20:15.040 You know
01:20:15.680 Issues
01:20:16.220 And it's like
01:20:17.620 Well
01:20:17.960 No Kim
01:20:18.880 And no Mark
01:20:20.120 An election is precisely
01:20:21.680 The time when we talk
01:20:22.940 About these things
01:20:23.760 You know
01:20:24.160 And this one in particular
01:20:26.400 Because it's
01:20:27.220 You know
01:20:27.440 It's an existential
01:20:28.680 Historic moment
01:20:30.080 In our
01:20:30.740 In our election history
01:20:32.660 This is when we are
01:20:34.060 Supposed to be talking
01:20:34.800 About these things
01:20:35.360 And this was a test
01:20:36.960 For Mark Carney
01:20:37.840 And he has failed it
01:20:39.460 Because everybody
01:20:41.180 The NDP
01:20:42.180 Not just the conservatives
01:20:43.600 Everybody
01:20:44.320 The Green Party
01:20:45.200 Everybody's saying
01:20:46.180 You've got to dump this guy
01:20:47.620 Human rights groups
01:20:48.520 Human rights groups
01:20:50.060 The left and the right
01:20:50.940 I mean you name it
01:20:52.120 There isn't a single person
01:20:53.160 That says this was
01:20:54.060 The right move
01:20:54.620 And so I think
01:20:55.440 It's incumbent upon us
01:20:56.440 To ask why
01:20:57.400 Like what else
01:20:58.640 Is going on here
01:20:59.760 And I don't think
01:21:00.300 That's
01:21:00.560 I don't think
01:21:01.040 I'm wearing a
01:21:01.500 Tinfoil hat
01:21:02.660 When I say that
01:21:03.400 I just think
01:21:04.140 It befuddles me
01:21:06.840 But let's move on
01:21:07.880 Because I want to ask you
01:21:09.440 The liberals
01:21:11.220 So much of the liberals
01:21:12.200 Electoral success
01:21:13.400 Rest with being successful
01:21:15.140 Within the province
01:21:16.300 Of Quebec
01:21:16.700 And Mark Carney
01:21:19.080 In saying no
01:21:20.300 To the TVA debate
01:21:21.940 Has made
01:21:22.580 Has made an enemy
01:21:23.960 They are not taking
01:21:25.320 This lightly
01:21:26.060 He is getting hammered
01:21:27.600 On the most
01:21:28.680 On the biggest
01:21:29.680 And most influential
01:21:30.420 News organization
01:21:32.140 Daily
01:21:33.180 In the
01:21:34.060 In the country
01:21:35.300 More people tune in
01:21:36.360 To TVA news
01:21:37.520 In Quebec
01:21:38.260 Than tune in to
01:21:39.140 Any other news source
01:21:40.240 Across the country
01:21:41.200 And he's getting it
01:21:42.220 On TV
01:21:42.780 He's getting it
01:21:43.460 In newspapers
01:21:44.180 And so
01:21:46.020 I've got to wonder
01:21:46.700 At some point
01:21:47.660 Is that going to affect
01:21:48.860 The possibility
01:21:50.240 Of coming out of Quebec
01:21:51.280 With what they need
01:21:52.900 It does affect it
01:21:55.380 You know
01:21:55.700 Like
01:21:56.020 You know
01:21:56.700 They're not the first campaign
01:21:58.100 To do low bridging
01:21:59.380 With their candidate
01:22:00.560 And you know
01:22:01.520 You do low bridging
01:22:02.460 When you're ahead
01:22:03.220 As a lot of the polls
01:22:04.520 Say that they are
01:22:05.360 And you do low bridging
01:22:06.780 When you're not
01:22:07.340 Totally confident
01:22:08.200 About your candidate's
01:22:09.440 Ability
01:22:09.920 To respond to the issues
01:22:12.180 Okay
01:22:12.560 So we know
01:22:13.300 Carney
01:22:16.020 Asking about his holdings
01:22:18.040 We've seen him be
01:22:19.160 Somewhat dismissive
01:22:20.400 So clearly
01:22:20.920 The liberal campaigns
01:22:22.660 Decided we've got to
01:22:23.500 Limit his interaction
01:22:24.740 With the media
01:22:25.400 Again
01:22:26.140 That's not
01:22:27.020 Something that
01:22:28.080 Has never been done before
01:22:29.600 The problem is
01:22:30.960 Now
01:22:31.380 Here's Warren and Ben
01:22:32.620 Talking about it
01:22:33.620 Yeah
01:22:33.820 Here's lots of people
01:22:35.020 Talking about it
01:22:35.940 And it looks like
01:22:36.860 He's hiding
01:22:37.480 You know
01:22:38.240 From scrutiny
01:22:39.380 It looks like
01:22:39.860 He's being unaccountable
01:22:40.860 In the case of Quebec
01:22:41.980 He's still going to do
01:22:42.740 A French debate
01:22:43.480 I had a problem
01:22:44.360 With the TVR debate
01:22:45.460 Because
01:22:46.120 You know
01:22:47.080 They were asking
01:22:47.680 For each candidate
01:22:48.560 To pony up
01:22:49.280 75,000 bucks
01:22:50.640 That's not how
01:22:51.580 It's supposed to be
01:22:52.380 But anyway
01:22:52.880 He's still doing
01:22:53.940 A French debate
01:22:54.720 But again
01:22:55.380 You know
01:22:55.680 Here you and I
01:22:56.540 Are talking about it
01:22:57.520 Where it's
01:22:58.620 Like the first issue
01:22:59.560 We were talking about
01:23:00.280 He's hiding
01:23:01.260 From scrutiny
01:23:02.080 He's hiding
01:23:02.820 From you know
01:23:03.840 Critical response
01:23:05.160 To the stuff
01:23:05.780 That he does
01:23:06.400 And it's a bad look
01:23:07.880 But Warren
01:23:08.420 Like I get the idea
01:23:09.900 You called it low bridging
01:23:10.900 I understand that
01:23:11.900 But even in the limited
01:23:13.220 Interaction he has
01:23:14.580 With the press
01:23:15.220 He's presenting
01:23:16.760 As problematic
01:23:17.600 I mean I referenced
01:23:18.720 Being asked
01:23:19.640 A pretty direct question
01:23:20.880 Would a liberal government
01:23:23.080 Challenge the Quebec
01:23:24.600 Religious symbols law
01:23:26.620 In court
01:23:27.160 He didn't say it
01:23:30.300 But every fiber in me knows
01:23:32.400 He has no idea
01:23:33.620 What that law is
01:23:34.500 The word salad
01:23:35.780 That he put together
01:23:36.520 Wasn't him trying
01:23:37.540 To find his point
01:23:38.260 He did not know
01:23:39.680 What that law was
01:23:41.060 And so
01:23:41.960 So like
01:23:42.940 Whatever they're doing
01:23:44.100 To limit his
01:23:45.280 Interaction with the press
01:23:46.420 I mean
01:23:47.760 Should he be doing
01:23:48.480 Even less
01:23:49.120 Well he's heading
01:23:51.200 Towards a
01:23:51.900 Come to mother moment
01:23:52.940 And that is
01:23:54.140 The French debate
01:23:55.100 And the English debate
01:23:56.080 And those are coming up
01:23:57.420 In just a matter of days
01:23:58.620 Like it's going to be
01:23:59.440 A bad week
01:24:00.080 For the conservatives
01:24:00.760 I think
01:24:01.220 Because you know
01:24:02.060 The tariffs are going to hit
01:24:03.540 On the 2nd of April
01:24:05.820 And that's going to
01:24:07.080 Eat up a lot of the news
01:24:08.440 Bandwidth
01:24:09.280 And I think that's
01:24:09.980 What the liberals
01:24:10.480 Are calculating
01:24:11.320 But like
01:24:12.600 The moment
01:24:13.360 You know
01:24:13.800 I've gotten prime ministers
01:24:14.920 Ready for those debates
01:24:16.160 You're up there
01:24:17.280 Without any advisors
01:24:18.520 You're without
01:24:19.320 Anybody speaking in your ear
01:24:21.080 There's no talking points
01:24:22.340 It's just you
01:24:23.460 And millions of people
01:24:25.080 Watching you
01:24:25.860 And this is where
01:24:26.980 This liberal strategy
01:24:28.220 They've had
01:24:28.860 Playing hide and seek
01:24:30.040 With this guy
01:24:30.780 Is going to fall apart
01:24:32.220 Because we're going to see
01:24:33.460 Whether he's ready or not
01:24:34.820 And my prediction
01:24:35.720 Has been since
01:24:36.620 He became leader
01:24:37.540 That the debates
01:24:38.900 Are going to be
01:24:39.400 A very very difficult time
01:24:41.180 For him
01:24:41.660 And for his campaign
01:24:42.720 Because you know
01:24:44.220 As people like to say
01:24:46.240 In campaigns
01:24:46.760 He's just not ready
01:24:48.060 I wonder if he's ready
01:24:49.480 I got 45 seconds left
01:24:51.220 For you
01:24:51.560 But we're seeing
01:24:52.180 The polls are so fluid
01:24:53.700 And I can't make
01:24:55.300 Heads or tails of them
01:24:55.980 I'm trying not to
01:24:57.000 Spend too much time on them
01:24:58.340 But you were in a war room
01:24:59.680 You ran campaigns
01:25:00.580 How much did you pay attention
01:25:02.520 To the polls
01:25:03.000 On a daily basis?
01:25:04.820 Me not so much
01:25:06.460 You know
01:25:06.740 The media polls are free
01:25:08.460 So they're worth
01:25:09.120 What you pay for them
01:25:10.400 You know
01:25:11.560 A lot of them
01:25:12.040 Are showing the liberals
01:25:12.860 A little bit ahead
01:25:13.980 Or there's a tie
01:25:15.380 You've got abacus
01:25:16.540 Saying that the
01:25:17.320 Conservatives
01:25:18.240 They're tied
01:25:18.940 The problem the Tories
01:25:20.780 Have got is
01:25:21.280 They've got a lot of
01:25:21.840 Wasted vote
01:25:22.600 In Alberta and Saskatchewan
01:25:24.100 And you know
01:25:25.440 And in 2019 and 2021
01:25:27.580 O'Toole and Scheer
01:25:28.980 Got more popular vote
01:25:30.740 But they still lost
01:25:31.620 In the end
01:25:32.000 Because the liberal
01:25:32.620 Seat count is more efficient
01:25:34.480 So my advice
01:25:36.320 To everybody is
01:25:37.220 You know
01:25:38.060 Don't get all anxious
01:25:39.500 Don't get all worked up
01:25:40.760 Just let's just wait
01:25:42.060 To see
01:25:42.520 Because these polls
01:25:43.740 Right now
01:25:44.840 They're not telling us
01:25:45.880 I think what is
01:25:46.800 The real picture
01:25:47.860 Which is
01:25:48.560 That it's still
01:25:49.120 A very tight race
01:25:49.920 Warren thank you so much
01:25:50.940 Talk to you soon
01:25:51.480 Thanks my friend
01:25:52.700 We've been told what to do
01:26:05.720 I didn't realise either mate
01:26:07.320 I'm with you
01:26:08.080 I've been following
01:26:08.960 Wide lines all my life
01:26:10.440 Touche turtle
01:26:11.520 Jump the castle
01:26:12.540 Avoid the disco dancers
01:26:14.220 No hassle
01:26:14.980 Doing beat like that
01:26:16.340 With a kid at your mum's
01:26:17.520 Paramedics
01:26:18.400 You should have thought
01:26:19.280 About that one
01:26:20.140 I'll stop her
01:26:21.180 Boom
01:26:21.600 Clear
01:26:22.040 What happened to Richard
01:26:23.500 All I can see is gear
01:26:24.980 Breathless
01:26:25.860 Incinerate
01:26:26.720 Process cheese
01:26:27.940 Become what you ate
01:26:29.060 Become what we are
01:26:30.380 A series one
01:26:31.500 With dreams
01:26:32.120 To reach a series four
01:26:33.700 Drive
01:26:34.400 Drive
01:26:34.860 Six packs
01:26:35.640 Drive
01:26:36.060 Drive
01:26:36.580 Wipe teeth
01:26:37.500 Kit Kat
01:26:38.180 Take the money and run
01:26:39.480 Join the elite
01:26:40.560 You sold yourself
01:26:41.740 To no one
01:26:42.740 Pied Piper
01:26:43.860 Whiskey nose
01:26:44.940 The wonder wall fell down on you
01:26:48.040 A little ditty and it's all gone wrong
01:26:52.400 I don't expect at all to sing along
01:26:55.100 A little ditty and it's all gone wrong
01:26:57.840 A little ditty
01:26:59.320 A little ditty
01:27:02.080 I ain't a threat
01:27:04.360 They leave me alone
01:27:05.200 Flat caught gamble
01:27:06.340 You know when I work there
01:27:07.480 I got a bad feeling from the man
01:27:09.080 I can't work with someone like that again Sam
01:27:11.700 A little ditty and it's all gone wrong
01:27:14.000 I don't expect a kid to sing along
01:27:16.700 That band from the 80s
01:27:18.220 That punk band
01:27:19.000 What are they called?
01:27:19.860 The Queen's Park Rangers
01:27:21.160 Been around ages you tool
01:27:23.120 We're all up in the top room of the pub
01:27:25.460 Getting heavy with a past
01:27:26.980 That didn't exist
01:27:28.200 You reshaped to get
01:27:29.620 Celeb mates
01:27:30.540 Shoreditch yarn
01:27:31.740 In the
01:27:32.040 Have you been for a poo-poo barn
01:27:34.120 Gnarly coat
01:27:35.240 Death faces
01:27:36.080 Death, death, death
01:27:37.480 Nine to a cubicle
01:27:38.920 Head squeezing
01:27:40.280 Screwing up faces
01:27:41.720 Last choke
01:27:42.800 Pushed the wheels
01:27:43.680 Of the next big thing
01:27:44.860 You scratch my back
01:27:46.420 I don't scratch anything
01:27:47.840 Apart from my nads
01:27:49.400 I'm Mick
01:27:50.300 I'm born to be bland
01:27:51.860 Chopped up in black leather
01:27:53.620 Flint's death
01:27:54.800 Corey worse
01:27:55.680 Smashed
01:27:56.640 And in everything
01:27:58.180 A little ditty
01:28:01.500 And it's all gone wrong
01:28:03.020 I don't expect the tools
01:28:04.480 For sitting along
01:28:05.700 A little ditty
01:28:06.880 And it's all gone wrong
01:28:08.500 A little ditty
01:28:09.840 A little ditty
01:28:12.660 A little ditty
01:28:15.340 A little ditty
01:28:18.140 I don't expect the tools
01:28:20.780 I say you're locked up
01:28:22.200 Great to have you, Alex Pearson, with you for the Ben Mulroney Show.
01:28:26.260 Of course, you'll be back with us on Monday.
01:28:28.800 It is time to get into this week in politics.
01:28:30.980 And boy, a day in politics is a lifetime.
01:28:34.160 This week in politics, ooh, lots to talk about.
01:28:37.040 Let's bring in our brains and fine minds.
01:28:40.340 We've got Chris Chapin, political commentator, managing principal of Upstream Strategy.
01:28:44.840 We've got Jessica Rinsandu, co-founder of BAS News and board member of the World Sick Organization of Canada.
01:28:50.940 And Warren Kinsella, former special advisor to Jean Chrétien, CEO of the Daisy Group.
01:28:56.600 Gentlemen, how are you doing on this Friday?
01:28:59.300 Good morning.
01:28:59.680 How are you?
01:29:00.800 Wow, that's pretty flat.
01:29:02.540 Glad you'd be more excited.
01:29:04.080 Good morning.
01:29:04.180 There you go.
01:29:04.840 Here we go.
01:29:05.420 All right.
01:29:05.840 It's Friday, guys.
01:29:06.900 It's Friday and it's sunny.
01:29:07.980 Let's take it.
01:29:08.820 Lots to get into.
01:29:10.120 I want to jump in into the breaking news we got in this morning about Canada job numbers.
01:29:15.800 It's the biggest monthly drop we've seen since 2022, losing 32,600 jobs compared to about 10,000 that we were expecting to get.
01:29:25.280 So our unemployment rate jumps to 6.7%.
01:29:28.360 We have, or I certainly on my show, have been talking to companies, trucking, a lot of companies that we don't talk about a lot,
01:29:34.860 but they've been shedding jobs in anticipation of these tariffs for quite some time.
01:29:38.940 And now it's almost like, okay, here we go.
01:29:42.720 Let me kick this off with you, Warren, because on the liberal side, Mark Carney, you know, he's going to, as the prime minister, where does this take the campaign?
01:29:51.920 Does it change the campaign?
01:29:53.380 Because we talk about, you know, is Trump the focus or affordability and cost of living?
01:29:57.760 And when you've lost your job, you're not necessarily thinking about Trump.
01:30:01.320 You want to know where your next paycheck's coming from.
01:30:03.200 So does this change the election?
01:30:06.620 I don't know if it changes the election, but it's bad news.
01:30:09.360 And bad news is bad when you are the incumbent.
01:30:13.140 So this week we've had a ton of it in the form of Trump's tariff attacks on the country.
01:30:19.220 And what that's meant for autoworkers and aluminum steel and potash and you name it.
01:30:24.080 So we do have sectors of the important sectors of the Canadian economy have been attacked and have been hit.
01:30:30.260 And so this is just like a confirmation, I guess, Alex, of more bad news.
01:30:35.000 And, you know, when you're the incumbent, you need it like a hole in the head.
01:30:38.840 So I think it's fodder for Pierre Polyev.
01:30:41.340 I fully expect he's going to make use of it.
01:30:43.360 He's going to say, hey, look, not only do we have a Donald Trump problem,
01:30:47.120 we've got a problem with the way these guys have been managing the economy.
01:30:50.420 You need to pay attention to that and you need to make a voting choice based upon that.
01:30:55.480 Will it work with people?
01:30:56.960 I don't know.
01:30:57.480 They're overwhelmed with the bad news these days.
01:31:00.380 We shall see.
01:31:01.860 You know, all the polls pretty much suggest that Carney is ahead, mainly on the economic question.
01:31:06.980 He is an economist.
01:31:08.940 He can speak credibly about this stuff.
01:31:11.180 Polyev is very good on it as well.
01:31:13.000 So I guess, you know, the puck has dropped and we'll see how they handle it.
01:31:16.760 Chris, you know, I was out in Oshawa last night for that rally.
01:31:20.140 6,200 people.
01:31:21.440 It's the biggest one yet.
01:31:22.340 They've now got to get hangers.
01:31:24.200 These things are getting so big and I don't know where they're going.
01:31:26.660 But the conversation certainly, I mean, there is a real deep concern about affordability and tariffs, taxes.
01:31:35.140 When you're looking, you know, into the abyss of what's your next step, it doesn't matter.
01:31:40.220 It's all it doesn't matter.
01:31:41.740 You just know you can't, you know, make sure that your food's on the table.
01:31:45.360 And so for Polyev then, what does he do with this?
01:31:48.780 Because you don't want to be exploiting this, but he is the one campaigning on this issue.
01:31:54.260 He is.
01:31:54.860 And I think, you know, Alex, he needs to get back to his, like, this was his bread and butter issue for so long against Justin Trudeau was tackling the Liberals, you know, inability to manage an economy effectively.
01:32:06.420 And it's very tricky, but I think he has to get back to his roots and start talking the same way he did a couple years ago, just being relentless on the Liberal failures that led us to this point.
01:32:17.860 Because right now the challenge is, I don't think Canadians are blaming the Liberal government for the tariffs.
01:32:23.960 They're blaming Donald Trump.
01:32:25.080 I don't think they're blaming the Liberal government or Mark Carney for the inevitable layoffs that came as a result of the tariffs.
01:32:32.520 And that's unfortunately what we're seeing.
01:32:34.640 But I think where Pierre needs to get back to, and I think they will get to that, is just let him run wild on the troubles that got us to this point.
01:32:44.460 We were not a strong economy before Donald Trump took office, and we're an even weaker economy now.
01:32:49.640 And I think he needs to get back to being relentless, attacking the Liberal government for their failed, you know, he talks about the lost Liberal decade.
01:32:56.800 I think he needs to be a little bit more prescriptive of what that exactly means.
01:33:00.080 You know, it's not a buzzword. It needs to talk about, you know, we were weak before this, and it was all their fault.
01:33:06.040 Yeah, and it came out quietly, but, you know, we learned of our GDP numbers over the last 10 years,
01:33:11.880 and it is a long line down showing that we are a very flattened economy, Jaskar.
01:33:19.300 And it's concerning because these tariffs aren't going away, the instability is not going away, and the hit is going to start to accelerate.
01:33:26.060 And we don't really know what the plan is other than, here's what we've got your back.
01:33:30.680 Like, we have workers, Jaskar, who don't know when our EI is going to kick in for them because they've gotten no details on that.
01:33:36.820 But we need to actually know, like, are we looking at this as a pandemic-style bailout?
01:33:40.800 Because we don't have enough money for that. Like, how do you see this?
01:33:43.860 Yeah, it's a very complex question because every industry is being hit differently as well, right?
01:33:50.280 The tariffs are not necessarily just a blanket. We're all in it together if we're going to take from COVID language.
01:33:57.320 The issue is that some industries are going to do this.
01:33:58.240 But we weren't then, by the way, right? We weren't then. There's a lot of hurt.
01:34:02.420 My point being is that, you know, some industries are going to be impacted far greater than others because of these tariffs,
01:34:08.340 because of the policies coming out of America, and the decisions that our government's going to make.
01:34:11.680 You know, if we look at the job numbers, you know, 60,000-odd full-time jobs are lost.
01:34:16.620 Half of those came out of the wholesale retail trade sector, right?
01:34:20.320 And you started this conversation by talking about the trucking industry.
01:34:23.400 That's very near due to my heart as a Brenton man.
01:34:26.300 Trucking's been shedding jobs for a couple months now in anticipation for a slowdown because of tariffs.
01:34:32.740 And so there's different industries that are going to feel this a lot faster than others, but we know how this works.
01:34:37.300 You know, it's the canary in the coal mine.
01:34:39.180 You're going to feel this down the line.
01:34:41.320 You know, all of a sudden, your housing is slowing down, your structures are slowing down, and people lose confidence in the economy.
01:34:49.140 And it's a very tough position to be in, and the how do you address it is going to be, and it continues to be, the election question.
01:34:56.260 Yeah, no question.
01:34:57.400 It's going to be a rollercoaster ride.
01:34:58.760 I want to jump this one off on you guys because I just talked about it.
01:35:02.580 Mark Carney, of course, talking.
01:35:04.960 He said it a few times that our relationship with America is over.
01:35:09.340 I've heard it played on American newscasts.
01:35:11.600 I'm always uncomfortable to hear it.
01:35:13.620 I want to ask both of you.
01:35:14.460 I'll give you all 45 seconds because I've got to get to a break.
01:35:17.040 But Warren, you know, look, that's a pretty declarative statement.
01:35:21.080 Relationships change, for sure.
01:35:22.440 This one has.
01:35:23.480 But is it a mistake to go that far to say that, given we're going to need them for a while to come?
01:35:28.800 I had the same reaction when he said that.
01:35:32.240 You know, some liberals have said to me, well, it's just an acknowledgment of the reality.
01:35:36.040 It's the inevitable.
01:35:37.640 And I said, yeah, yeah, maybe you're right.
01:35:40.980 But it creates a duty on you.
01:35:43.160 It creates a duty on Mark Carney to say what's next.
01:35:45.940 What is he going to do to deal with them?
01:35:50.100 Because, you know, under successive governments, liberal and conservative,
01:35:54.540 the United States of America became our biggest customer, you know, to the tune of nearly 90%.
01:35:59.720 So, obviously, all of us now agree that was a big mistake.
01:36:03.440 We need to diversify and so on.
01:36:06.040 I've heard from – I went to see Paul Yev speak to a Bay Street audience this week,
01:36:09.740 and he kind of detailed what his plan is for that.
01:36:13.200 I haven't heard much detail from Carney about that.
01:36:17.980 And I've heard the poetry, you know, the relationship is over and so on.
01:36:21.220 But I want to hear the nuts and bolts.
01:36:23.040 And so far, you know, that's been a bit lacking.
01:36:25.640 Well, it's been non-existent, Chris.
01:36:26.900 I'll dumb it down to that because, you know, look, he took a lot of policy from Paul Yev off the top.
01:36:31.260 It's easy to say build.
01:36:32.400 But given his background and his ideology on climate change,
01:36:36.920 he's going to have to explain what he's going to say to Quebec to get pipelines built
01:36:40.260 and what pipelines because he doesn't say the word oil and gas.
01:36:43.740 No, I mean, well, frankly, it feels like Mark Carney's been MIA for the last week and a half.
01:36:48.260 You know, they're running a very high-duty campaign right now.
01:36:52.560 I think the problem is when he's been pushed on those questions, Alex,
01:36:57.100 he's been, you know, frankly honest that he won't repeal C6-9.
01:37:00.980 You know, he's not actually going to do it.
01:37:02.740 And so I think, you know, what troubles me with that comment that he made is it's a very fine line that he's walked.
01:37:08.900 I think Premier Ford walked a very fine line when he was running as, you know, running in his election,
01:37:13.420 but also the premier at times.
01:37:14.940 That line for me really made me feel uncomfortable because I think he crossed the line.
01:37:18.340 I think making that comment as prime minister when you haven't been elected
01:37:21.880 and you're in the middle of an election was just, it was way over the line and not appropriate in any way.
01:37:27.040 Let me give you the last 30 seconds, Jaskaran.
01:37:29.220 You got your point on this one?
01:37:30.640 I think he was absolutely right.
01:37:34.820 Our relationship with America is never, ever going to be the same.
01:37:37.900 We can never trust him.
01:37:39.020 It's not the high trust relationship that it was in the past.
01:37:42.580 And that we have to start thinking about how do we decouple, to use Trump's language,
01:37:48.680 you know, our political, military, and economic relationship with America.
01:37:52.960 And I think Carney made the statement loud and clear at the gate where his first, you know, foreign trip.
01:38:00.720 Hold on.
01:38:01.260 Hold that thought.
01:38:02.140 I got to get to a break or I get in trouble.
01:38:04.360 Stay with us more in this week's in politics.
01:38:06.660 After this on the Ben Mulroney Show.
01:38:08.820 Great to have you here.
01:38:09.980 I am Alex Pearson.
01:38:11.020 This is the Ben Mulroney Show.
01:38:12.840 We are in this week's in politics.
01:38:14.640 We got Chris Chapin, Jaskaran Sundu, and Warren Kinsella joining us to talk about the big,
01:38:20.460 certainly, well, the big days in this election campaign.
01:38:24.400 Let me talk about, or let us talk about the NDP campaign, or I think there is one.
01:38:29.840 But the, I guess they had to drop one of their influencers that they brought out,
01:38:35.460 the OnlyFans creator who joined them.
01:38:38.620 Very troubling questions about Holocaust and her position on Israel.
01:38:42.880 I mean, never mind the porn star and stuff.
01:38:44.640 I got to be honest, Warren, there's some odd stuff happening.
01:38:47.480 I mean, that's just one of a number of, like, oddities with this campaign.
01:38:51.540 What is going on with them?
01:38:52.440 How did they get so disorganized?
01:38:54.840 I can't, like, I couldn't believe it.
01:38:56.740 Somebody said to me, hey, Jagmeet just did some audio and video with a porn star.
01:39:02.800 And I'm like, what?
01:39:04.040 I went and checked it out.
01:39:05.300 It was, like, true.
01:39:06.560 And, you know, I give her credit.
01:39:07.620 She's a very flexible young woman.
01:39:10.080 But, you know, her position.
01:39:11.400 Flexible in a voting position or flexible other ways?
01:39:14.040 Because I haven't seen her show.
01:39:14.980 In the specifics, you know, this is a family show.
01:39:17.440 But her position on, more seriously, on Israel and Gaza and Palestine is disgusting.
01:39:23.700 It's disgusting.
01:39:25.160 And it's reflective of the NDP campaign.
01:39:27.980 They have, basically, they don't care about Guelph.
01:39:30.840 They're focused on Gaza.
01:39:32.480 That's what they care about.
01:39:34.460 And, you know, but it's a mess, Alex.
01:39:37.040 Like, they're down to some, I've seen them down as far as seven points.
01:39:41.120 At that point, and as of last night, Jagmeet Singh's losing his own seat in B.C.
01:39:47.120 The only seat that they're going to hold on to at seven points is maybe Winnipeg Center.
01:39:52.740 So, like, it's like, boys and girls, in order to get attention, you're hanging out with kind of Holocaust doubting porn stars.
01:40:00.840 Like, that's your strategy?
01:40:02.540 Like, it's just, it feels like it's lights out for the NDP.
01:40:06.540 I don't know.
01:40:06.880 I don't want to know what they do when they've got the lights out.
01:40:08.920 Like, what's up next?
01:40:09.780 Furries?
01:40:10.220 Chris?
01:40:10.520 Like, I don't know where this goes.
01:40:12.000 It's just, they, they, they, he's going to be appearing on a debate stage.
01:40:15.940 And I'm looking at the polling and I'm thinking, like, maybe he shouldn't be.
01:40:18.760 It should, I mean, just be the top two leaders because I don't know what their campaign is about.
01:40:23.780 I don't either.
01:40:24.820 You know, I made this joke yesterday after seeing this story come out, but, you know, if any one of Jagmeet's candidates was caught doing the same thing as what Jagmeet Singh did with this porn star, he'd be forced to give them the boot.
01:40:39.120 Really?
01:40:39.560 I don't think so.
01:40:40.360 Well, any reasonable party that wants to form government, certainly.
01:40:45.220 And I joked, you know, has any party ever contemplated booting their leader in the middle of a campaign?
01:40:49.780 Because I think the NDP would do substantially better if they replaced Jagmeet Singh with just about anybody at this point.
01:40:55.920 And so it certainly won't happen.
01:40:58.280 But, I mean, this campaign so far has been an abject failure.
01:41:01.900 I mean, we've seen it coming.
01:41:03.320 The writing's been on the wall for Jagmeet Singh for what feels like a year and a half, two years now that the party's just been on a decline.
01:41:09.020 But this is just literally the definition of hitting rock bottom.
01:41:12.660 Yeah, I've got to be honest.
01:41:13.620 It's, I mean, how did they go so wrong, Jaskaran?
01:41:16.640 They are the party, or they were supposed to be, of the worker, right?
01:41:19.900 And all the workers are signing on to Pierre Paliyev, that whole private labor movement's gone over to Pierre Paliyev.
01:41:27.020 Because the NDP, it's like they want to stand for something, but they stand for all the wrong, they stand on all the wrong sides of history these days.
01:41:35.500 Yes, it's a very sad campaign.
01:41:38.340 It just objectively is incredibly sad.
01:41:40.700 And, you know, the shame for the NDP is, you know, the big policy wins that they did help secure and that are very popular on the pharma care and the dental care.
01:41:51.520 You know, there's not even any people are camping on that.
01:41:54.720 Like, how many people actually know that the NDP played the role they did in executing that?
01:41:58.460 I don't know.
01:41:59.680 I don't think people do understand the role that they played.
01:42:02.740 And that's just a shame of just poor communication.
01:42:04.660 This is a party that I believe needs to really sit down and think about how do we place ourselves at the center of, to your point, the worker class.
01:42:17.580 You know, the unions, the factories, the manufacturing, the labor jobs, the blue-collar workers.
01:42:24.400 It appears that they've totally lost that to the right end of the spectrum, to the conservatives.
01:42:29.220 And this is not a uniquely Canadian problem.
01:42:30.900 You've seen this in America, where you see a lot of the blue-collar, rust-belt kind of areas of America start itching towards or swaying towards Republicans.
01:42:39.300 And this is an ongoing issue for folks on the left, especially in the social democratic states.
01:42:45.460 Well, just be normal.
01:42:46.440 That's it.
01:42:48.160 Like, just be normal.
01:42:49.540 That also works.
01:42:50.260 That also works.
01:42:51.120 Again, I don't know what today's campaign picture will be like, but based on the last couple, it could be an interesting Friday.
01:42:58.700 So let's then just kind of ask the basic question.
01:43:01.940 And, you know, you're a war room guy, Warren.
01:43:04.700 Who had the best week this week, right?
01:43:06.620 Like, week number one was getting the cobwebs out and I think tripping and stumbling and Mark Carney making a big appearance and kind of establishing himself.
01:43:14.560 And Pierre Polyev kind of dealing with the inner battles of Corey Tanike speaking on behalf of the whole party when he doesn't necessarily reflect the party.
01:43:23.040 But what's the win this week and who's leading the way on that?
01:43:26.440 Well, you know, in terms of stuff, in terms of things happening, like, it looked like Polyev did better.
01:43:33.780 Even though Polyev had in one 24-hour period, he got rid of poor candidates.
01:43:37.900 At least he, as the leader, did that.
01:43:40.200 Whereas Carney, you know, with MP Bounty Hunter, you know, dithered and dithered.
01:43:46.080 And then, you know, the events were forced on him.
01:43:48.480 So Polyev, ironically, even though he had four more problems, looked better than Carney did.
01:43:55.020 But it's not hurting Carney.
01:43:57.040 And it's like, in terms of the issue matrix, the thing that's sitting on top of everything, you know, whether it's dud candidates or, you know, social programs or healthcare, it's Donald Trump, right?
01:44:10.320 He continues to be the elephant in the room.
01:44:13.460 And for Canadians over about the age of 50, they see Mark Carney is absolutely their guy to deal with it.
01:44:21.380 And what we're seeing at the rallies is Pierre Polyev is getting these amazing visuals, young people coming out because they're feeling the affordability crisis the most.
01:44:30.020 But it's just not translating into the numbers and what we're seeing in the polls.
01:44:35.180 So, I mean, for me, for hacks like me, you know, I just love elections and it's exciting and interesting.
01:44:40.940 And, you know, and I think that Polyev still has a shot at winning this thing because he's hands down a better debater than Carney.
01:44:47.660 So we'll see how those work out.
01:44:49.220 Yeah.
01:44:49.460 Chris, where would you be going with the campaign then to make sure you're punching through?
01:44:52.980 Because, look, that vote at those rallies is a very, very committed vote.
01:44:57.800 And they are getting out and they're getting involved.
01:44:59.320 But where do you take the campaign then to, you know, shore up your positioning against Carney?
01:45:07.780 Hey, Chris.
01:45:09.800 Yeah, I think.
01:45:11.100 Sorry, I think you keep doing what you've been doing for the last week.
01:45:14.040 I think Pierre had a great week.
01:45:16.080 You know, the Trump tariff stuff, notwithstanding, because I think, you know, everybody kind of responded the same.
01:45:21.040 But I think you need to talk about how you're going to deal with the president of the United States.
01:45:25.520 I think you need to continue to talk about how you're going to defend Canada's economy.
01:45:29.920 I really do like, and it's very difficult for policy to break through in a campaign these days, but I really do like some of the bold, visionary ideas that the Conservatives have put out over the last couple days.
01:45:42.480 You know, the reinvesting, the capital gains would be, I think, a game changer for our economy.
01:45:46.800 The TFSA, just for Canadian equities, you know, when the economy bounces back is a great way for Canadians to invest in Canada.
01:45:54.660 But I think the biggest thing that they need to figure out, and it's going to be a challenge, is they need to litigate the Liberal record and remind boomers that have felt comfortable shifting back to Mark Carney that they got us in this predicament in the first place.
01:46:09.320 And that's the biggest challenge they have to overcome, is they need to rattle that cage.
01:46:13.200 I think the debate's going to be an opportunity, because I think disproportionately the audience for that debate is naturally always going to be an older audience.
01:46:20.080 And Pierre Pauly needs to remind those older voters that, you know, the Liberals got us in this mess, and he's the only guy that can get us out of it.
01:46:28.000 I'm sorry, Jessica, I've got like 45 seconds.
01:46:30.560 I'm not mean, I love you, but I've got that.
01:46:32.860 45 seconds to finish it off.
01:46:34.260 Yeah, look, to put it very simply, you either campaign as the status quo guy or the change guy.
01:46:40.980 And the confusion right now for a lot of folks is that, well, both candidates are change guys.
01:46:45.060 And for Carney, it's to continue to press that message that this is a completely different administration under my leadership.
01:46:51.560 And for Pierre Pauly, it's like, no, no, no, if you want real change, it's the language from 2015 from the Liberals.
01:46:57.420 If you want real change, it's me.
01:46:58.680 And that's going to be, at the end of the day, what's going to happen here this week.
01:47:03.360 Who can convince Canadians more?
01:47:04.660 Because as we've always seen, the last two weeks is usually what makes or breaks the campaign.
01:47:08.860 We've set the table now.
01:47:10.220 Yeah, it's going to be a fascinating next couple of weeks.
01:47:14.140 Gentlemen, I'll let you go on that note.
01:47:15.460 Thank you so much, and have a terrific day and weekend.
01:47:19.220 Take care.
01:47:19.960 There you go.
01:47:20.500 We've got Chris Chapin, Jaskaran Sandhu, and Warren Kinsella weighing in on all things this week in politics.
01:47:28.680 We've got Chris Chapin.
01:47:58.800 Thank you.
01:47:59.660 We've got Chris Chapin.
01:48:00.660 We've got Chris Chapin.
01:48:07.040 We've got Chris Chapin.
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01:50:44.400 Good morning, KinsellaCast. Good to be here or anywhere at this rate.
01:50:59.800 Here's a little sum up of things that have caught my attention internationally this week.
01:51:03.960 Trump's crazy train continues to seed paralysis in Ukraine and in Gaza.
01:51:09.080 Ukraine, of course, sees fighting continue apace.
01:51:13.880 Whatever truce or armistice had been established respecting energy and infrastructure targets has been abandoned.
01:51:21.320 Young men and women continue to die on the front lines, not only in eastern Ukraine, but in two areas of Russia and on its border.
01:51:27.640 Whatever negotiations were being facilitated by the U.S. through the Saudis with the inclusion of a variety of other countries have stalled and Trump is apparently pissed off with Russia, but he's done nothing about it.
01:51:41.460 A lot of hubbub was made this week about the fact that Trump did not tariff Russia, but currently the U.S. barely does any trade with Russia, and the tariffs are exceeded by the sanctions that Russia suffers by not only the U.S., but by countries around the world.
01:51:56.620 Meanwhile, down in Gaza, we're starting to see some Gazans protest and take direct actions against Hamas, but Hamas continues to run that roost, and Israel continues to fight that war unabated.
01:52:09.760 Israel, of course, is in trouble this week for some of its tactics, including the death of, apparently, medical personnel and the targeting of civilians in its war in Gaza to secure peace on its border.
01:52:22.420 Netanyahu, of course, is no prize, but Israel has every right to continue its war and protect its borders in the face and threat of adversity from many sides, which leads us to Yemen.
01:52:33.620 Most people didn't know, by the way, that years ago, Yemen was a Jewish, well, a Jewish empire, of course.
01:52:39.580 It has since then been colonized by five people, all of whom have recused to remove themselves.
01:52:45.380 Yemen, of course, continues to get the shit bombed out of it by U.S., and for good reason, because it continues to interfere with the flotillas and the maritime trade that are essential that go by its straits and its seas.
01:52:56.860 Meanwhile, 13 wars continue apace in Africa that nobody could name and nobody seems to give a shit about.
01:53:06.580 On the European front, Europe, especially countries in Northern Europe, are abandoning landmine treaties, the Ottawa Treaty in particular, as they get ready and prepare for what they expect to be a Russian invasion, either during the Trump era or right thereafter.
01:53:22.140 Germany, of course, to that end, continues to arm up, as expressly stated, plans on how they intend to get through Poland if that war continues and is starting to further expand its military capacity with the production of drones, attack drones, this week.
01:53:38.040 On the other side of the world, J.D. Vance went to Greenland and utterly failed at any resolution, certainly failed any diplomatic or sort of protocol test, wasn't welcomed by the people there, couldn't wander around and had to leave immediately.
01:53:56.180 Meanwhile, Canada, Panama, Greenland, amongst others, remain on the Trump I might take it list and haven't been taken off the U.S.'s possible imperial colonialist ambitions and their priorities.
01:54:11.780 Finally, in amusing news, Taiwan, of course, remains under threat and duress from Chinese expansion.
01:54:21.720 But little did we know what would come next.
01:54:24.040 Youths associated with the main party in China and the Beijing regime are now talking openly about the fact that they believe Australia should rightfully be the prized possession of the Chinese empire as well.
01:54:36.500 Maybe they're taking a page out of the handbook of Trump, which is to say, let's just take over any friendly country that's on our borders and see how far we can push this empire thing.
01:54:49.080 So, in any event, finally, Trump and the Iranian empire win the award for most apocalyptic rhetoric of the week, with both sides expressing a desire, intention, and possible use of nuclear weapons in any fight that were to emerge out of the Yemeni-Gazan-Israeli conflagration.
01:55:10.780 So, it's all good news out there.
01:55:13.220 With love and respect, John Mraz, Aika Waika.
01:55:15.980 I get to watch next week, and we've got the blancmonds that swallowed New York, and it's back to...
01:55:23.800 Oh, God!
01:55:24.380 I'm all enslaved by Brett Starr, so that every mouth will be there.
01:55:30.400 Oh, she's alive.
01:55:38.980 I'm all enslaved by Brett Starr, so that every mouth will be there.
01:55:41.980 So, with that hand, I'm like, when you're out of the outside.
01:55:46.140 Don't touch me, don't touch me, what's all.
01:55:48.020 You lose your life.
01:55:50.340 I'm all МиCür, I'm예요.
01:55:52.720 I'm as suburban as dreams are grown.
01:55:54.780 So, with that hand, I'm gone, I'm alive.
01:55:57.680 I'm not only formed by Brett Starr, so that every mouth will be there.
01:56:00.900 You lose your life.
01:56:02.660 Manda!
01:56:03.440 Manda!
01:56:03.800 Thank you.
01:56:33.800 Thank you.