kinsellacast - KINSELLACAST 359： From Israel on Election Eve - with E., Lilley, Kheriddin, Belanger, plus great Jewish punk rock!

00:00:00.000 It's the Kinsella Cast, starring Warren Kinsella.

00:00:08.480 Hey, what's going on? Welcome to the Kinsella Cast, and welcome to the Kinsella Cast from Israel. 0.97

00:00:34.240 I am in Tel Aviv right now. I'm looking down at the beach, and there's people down there playing volleyball, okay?

00:00:42.840 Right now, it is 10.20 Tel Aviv time in Israel, and they're playing volleyball. It's pretty cool.

00:00:51.900 E is with me. She just arrived this afternoon. I don't think she's slept in several days. Have you slept?

00:00:57.840 A little bit, but I'm pretty good.

00:00:59.480 She's doing all right.

00:01:00.420 I'm a professional traveler.

00:01:01.180 She is a professional traveler. We just went out to a nice Israeli restaurant and had some really good food and went for a walk.

00:01:08.720 And so I'm glad she's here. She's here for a week to have some fun and discover Israeli cuisine and chefs and all that.

00:01:18.380 And I'm here because of our documentary. We're shooting a documentary called The Campaign.

00:01:23.200 It's an international film crew that's doing it, and it's about my next book.

00:01:30.800 It's about what I've been writing about for the past two years.

00:01:34.320 And I think that, you know, I think that you're going to like it.

00:01:39.340 I think you're going to find it interesting, but I'm biased.

00:01:42.160 So that's why I'm here, but I am aware that there is, I think, an election campaign taking place in Canada.

00:01:53.460 In fact, I was talking to a former prime minister just this afternoon, and we were having a good laugh and talking about all kinds of fun stuff.

00:02:02.020 And he's been, Jean Chrétien, he's been having fun campaigning for the liberals and from Quebec City to out west and people lining up to have selfies with him.

00:02:14.780 And it's been wonderful to see him back and doing that.

00:02:19.660 But anyway, I'm in Israel, and so what I wanted to do is give 10 observations about the campaign.

00:02:24.980 I don't think he has seen these or heard these.

00:02:27.640 So what I'm going to do is I'm going to make my observation about the campaign.

00:02:33.120 Oh, and by the way, we've got Brian Lilley this week.

00:02:35.100 We've got Tasha Carradine, Carl Belanger, and then I've got some good Jewish punk rock.

00:02:40.740 I've got Jonathan Richman from Boston with Roadrunner, his Modern Lovers.

00:02:47.160 I've got The Clash.

00:02:48.640 I'm so bored with the USA for obvious reasons.

00:02:51.560 Mick Jones and Joe Strummer, both of Jewish descent.

00:02:54.300 And then I've got the Ramones and Joey, Tommy, Marky, all of Jewish descent. 1.00

00:03:04.460 So punk rock, like punk rock wouldn't exist without the Jewish people. 1.00

00:03:09.400 So in Israel, it seemed like it would fit. 0.77

00:03:12.360 So a good little show, not too long, but I wanted to get it out to you guys.

00:03:17.820 And so I can like go to bed.

00:03:19.660 I think you want to go to bed too, don't you?

00:03:21.300 I do.

00:03:21.780 She does.

00:03:22.180 Okay, so in Israel, watching things from a great distance.

00:03:26.640 And I filed my final column for post-media during the campaign.

00:03:32.300 And so perhaps you've seen that.

00:03:34.200 But in the meantime, I wanted to give 10 observations about the 2025 election campaign.

00:03:40.160 They're in no particular order.

00:03:41.920 And they may not even be particularly important.

00:03:44.740 They're just things that occurred to me.

00:03:46.300 So I'm going to go through them, and then I'm going to pause.

00:03:48.820 And then E is going to say, well, of course, I agree with you, Warren.

00:03:53.180 That's brilliant.

00:03:54.040 False.

00:03:54.600 Or she's going to say nothing at all.

00:03:56.320 Okay?

00:03:56.520 So, number one, after every campaign concludes, journalists always say something along the lines of, that was the ugliest election campaign ever.

00:04:07.740 Oh, boy.

00:04:08.640 Except, at least this year, I don't think it's true. 1.00

00:04:13.880 There were stupid old men flipping the bird at cameras. 1.00

00:04:17.560 Yes. 1.00

00:04:18.320 And people yelling at each other outside rallies and being ridiculous. 0.81

00:04:22.600 And candidates and staff people saying awful things online. 0.71

00:04:25.980 But honestly, it didn't seem all that nasty to me.

00:04:29.860 It seemed actually quite average.

00:04:31.560 What do you think?

00:04:32.460 I thought it was boring.

00:04:33.680 There you go.

00:04:34.520 I was right.

00:04:35.800 If it's boring, it wasn't that nasty.

00:04:38.060 I think it was ineffectual, perhaps, is a better word.

00:04:42.000 That's a good scrabble word.

00:04:43.440 It is a great scrabble word.

00:04:44.140 Ineffectual.

00:04:44.540 But ineffectual.

00:04:45.600 Okay.

00:04:45.980 Number two, why did the conservatives wait until after voting had started the advanced polls to release their platform?

00:04:56.680 And after they released it, they amended it.

00:05:00.700 It looked really amateurish to me.

00:05:03.820 It looked rookie.

00:05:05.600 If your platform is an afterthought, boys and girls, then don't bother.

00:05:09.700 Don't waste our time.

00:05:11.400 What do you think?

00:05:11.980 I thought it was conceited.

00:05:13.500 Conceded?

00:05:14.180 Why conceited?

00:05:14.860 Well, I think they thought, much like polling was showing much earlier on, that they were okay.

00:05:20.300 So they didn't really need to do some of the classic campaign strategies.

00:05:23.820 It was cocky.

00:05:27.660 Yeah, it was cocky.

00:05:29.060 And I think they've booged it.

00:05:31.360 I think you're right.

00:05:32.520 I think you're right.

00:05:33.340 Number three, I did a video when I was in Jaffa with Adrian Batra and Brian Lilley.

00:05:40.820 I've never done a video with Adrian and Brian in Jaffa before.

00:05:45.380 Actually, I've never done any.

00:05:46.120 It's Jaffa.

00:05:46.960 Jaffa?

00:05:47.540 Jaffa.

00:05:48.020 Okay, all right.

00:05:49.040 Jaffa.

00:05:50.100 And Brian did something I've never seen him do before.

00:05:52.880 He repeatedly and deliberately called Mark Carney a liar.

00:05:56.260 I asked him about it on this week's show.

00:05:59.040 And editors, as Brian himself pointed out, don't like it when you use that word.

00:06:04.880 Like, you can get sued for that word.

00:06:06.620 But Brian said Carney was a liar over and over.

00:06:10.900 Is he?

00:06:12.860 My take is this.

00:06:14.200 I think the liberal leader hasn't learned one of the Konsellian rules.

00:06:18.680 The truth is like water.

00:06:19.740 It always finds its way out.

00:06:21.240 Like, I just didn't understand when, if Trump has a phone call with you and he says he's still interested in taking over your country,

00:06:29.120 I think he should probably let people know about that.

00:06:32.860 I mean, I don't know if that's a lie or a mistake.

00:06:35.260 What do you think?

00:06:35.740 Um, I mean, I think it's, I mean, I think he beefed it real good on that.

00:06:41.400 Yeah, he beefed it.

00:06:42.180 To use some pretty common terminology.

00:06:44.060 I love that.

00:06:44.600 I mean, I think it.

00:06:45.120 Is that like an Ontario thing?

00:06:46.740 Beefed it?

00:06:47.220 Beefed it?

00:06:47.520 No.

00:06:48.480 I've heard it in many of my travels.

00:06:50.360 It's a, it's an oldie but a goodie.

00:06:52.520 Um, I don't necessarily think it was a mistake because I don't, I think he's too, well, potentially too smart to have made a mistake of simply an omission.

00:07:01.360 So was it a cover up?

00:07:02.860 Was it a cover up?

00:07:03.720 Um, again, I don't, that's not necessarily where my brain went on that either.

00:07:08.380 I think I can concur that it was maybe a bit sloppy.

00:07:12.960 Sloppy, yeah.

00:07:13.640 But it's hard to say.

00:07:16.180 I don't necessarily think it was a lie unless I'm missing something.

00:07:20.280 Was he outright asked?

00:07:21.620 Did he have a telephone number?

00:07:22.900 It came out and it was just, I don't know, on the final weekend, having something, it's like, hey Mark, that's kind of big.

00:07:29.320 That's big.

00:07:30.140 Maybe they were just talking about golf.

00:07:31.660 Yeah, could be.

00:07:32.760 We can't know.

00:07:33.480 Okay, well let's stay on Carney.

00:07:34.860 Number four.

00:07:35.980 I really do feel, and you know what my feeling is on this, that his position on Israel and anti-Semitism is pretty shameful.

00:07:44.880 I like, throughout the campaign, every single day, I kept hoping that this would be the day that he would say something meaningful or adopt the position that every single previous liberal leader, including the one I was speaking to today, with the exception of Justin Trudeau, has had.

00:08:02.620 Namely, number one, Israel is our ally.

00:08:05.400 Number two, anti-Semitism is bad.

00:08:08.120 Number three, I will always use the legislative tools at my disposal to stamp out hate.

00:08:14.660 And like, Carney didn't do that, and I didn't understand why not, and I thought it was shameful and wrong.

00:08:22.060 And it, you know, things like that help to make things worse.

00:08:25.700 What do you think?

00:08:26.160 I agree that it was, it is shameful.

00:08:30.680 I think he's been a bit banal on the topic since he's been fluted with the questions about it.

00:08:37.260 But, um, I think I had mentioned this to you perhaps last week, is that my feeling was that if we were to catch him on a hot mic in discussion, he would have very much the same sentiments about it that...

00:08:50.840 So why not say it, you know?

00:08:52.260 ...that Prime Minister Kretzian has had, and even Polyev has had.

00:08:56.560 Um, and I think in that same conversation, I suggested that it's particularly, it could be particularly strategic, that he is trying to induce some of the, um, suspected NDP votes that might come his way, should he not.

00:09:14.560 But that makes it even more shameful.

00:09:15.560 And he had that vote.

00:09:16.560 I just don't get it.

00:09:17.560 Like, you know, Pierre Polyev, I'm not a big fan, as you know, I never have been.

00:09:21.560 But his position on Israel and anti-Semitism was the right one. 0.99

00:09:25.560 You know, anti-Semitism, like Islamophobia, is bad.

00:09:28.560 It's bad.

00:09:29.560 It very much is the right one.

00:09:30.560 And it's one that is important to a lot of people, us included.

00:09:34.560 Um, but, you know, we have discussions about a multitude of things politically related, culturally related, world events.

00:09:44.560 Most Canadians aren't necessarily, this isn't the topic of conversation for them day in and day out.

00:09:49.560 And perhaps he is leaving that as a somewhat side issue, a bit in the peripheral, while he talks about more prevalent things to the kind of bigger scope of Canadians.

00:10:00.560 Okay, let's talk about something that you have strong feelings about as well.

00:10:05.560 Number six.

00:10:06.560 So, Jenny Byrne, you know who Jenny Byrne is.

00:10:08.560 Jenny Byrne ran the conservative campaign and has been the strategic mind for Pierre Polyev for many years.

00:10:17.560 And she can handle herself.

00:10:18.560 Like, she's a tough cookie. 0.95

00:10:20.560 But I really think a lot of people who should have known better have been exceptionally shitty to her. 0.58

00:10:28.560 Saying so, you know, I won't bore you with the details, but they've really taken a lot of shots at her, but not at the liberal, the man running the liberal campaign.

00:10:36.560 And so, is there a lot of sexism in the mix?

00:10:40.560 Absolutely.

00:10:41.560 Would a guy get that kind of treatment?

00:10:44.560 Well, no, they haven't, right?

00:10:46.560 You know, they get, oh, politics is a tough job.

00:10:49.560 He's just getting his elbows up.

00:10:51.560 Like, but when a female Politico does it, you know, she's shrill. 1.00

00:10:55.560 She's a bitch. 1.00

00:10:56.560 And it just drives me crazy. 1.00

00:10:58.560 It's like my rule about the Beatles.

00:11:01.560 You know, everybody knows, who knows the Beatles, like I do, knows that John and Paul broke up the band, but Yoko always gets blamed.

00:11:09.560 What do you think?

00:11:11.560 Well, just that last statement alone.

00:11:14.560 Yes, 100%.

00:11:16.560 John and Paul broke up.

00:11:19.560 Actually, they all did.

00:11:20.560 I mean, Ringo maybe was like, okay, whatever, fellas, whatever you're thinking.

00:11:23.560 I think Ringo was sad.

00:11:24.560 Not a lot of people give George credit.

00:11:25.560 He's my favorite Beatle.

00:11:26.560 Really?

00:11:27.560 I didn't know that.

00:11:28.560 Yeah.

00:11:29.560 I think he's...

00:11:30.560 I did not know that.

00:11:31.560 Well, you know my least favorite Beatle is John.

00:11:33.560 Yeah.

00:11:34.560 Well, John broke my heart.

00:11:35.560 Anyways, that's a separate conversation.

00:11:38.560 Well, big shocker.

00:11:40.560 Yes, you're 100% right.

00:11:42.560 A man in that same position, but this is almost like, you know, it's cliche at this point.

00:11:46.560 To your point.

00:11:47.560 She's shrill. 1.00

00:11:48.560 She's a bitch. 1.00

00:11:50.560 Honestly, at the end of the day, it's just because, in my opinion, the majority of the men and some women in that capacity, it's just, I guess for lack of a better attitude, it's just fear. 1.00

00:12:02.560 I don't think it's anything particularly poignant.

00:12:07.560 It's just you're afraid of strong female capabilities, even if they're not being aggressive. 1.00

00:12:12.560 It's if they're equally smart or slightly smarter or the fact that they just aren't interested in sitting back and being in the background or just taking the notes or letting the other person take credit for their work.

00:12:25.560 It doesn't really matter.

00:12:26.560 It doesn't really matter.

00:12:27.560 I don't.

00:12:28.560 I've seen some change, but certainly not enough to, you know, think that things are on a particularly expedient path towards something totally different.

00:12:37.560 But I agree. 0.96

00:12:38.560 She has taken an exceptional amount of crack and crap and, yeah, sexism is certainly at the top of it, but I think it's just more of a power struggle. 1.00

00:12:51.560 Number seven. 0.99

00:12:52.560 So here's the flip side of it.

00:12:54.560 So speaking of political, Andrew Bevin, you haven't met him, but you will.

00:12:59.560 He is one of the smart people who ran the Carney campaign.

00:13:03.560 I've known Andrew for years and I think he's done an exceptional job, obviously, with a total newbie.

00:13:10.560 Like, you know, Carney has never been in politics before.

00:13:15.560 And we'll talk about that in just a minute.

00:13:17.560 And like, I think that that's pretty good, you know, taking somebody who's never run for high public office before and getting him elected with a majority government.

00:13:28.560 So, Andrew, I don't expect you to comment on this because you don't know him, but like, Andrew's one of those people in politics who's a good guy.

00:13:37.560 And we need more good guys from politics.

00:13:39.560 You agree?

00:13:41.560 Well, define good guy in politics.

00:13:44.560 He'd prefer to sit around and talk to you about his kid's soccer game.

00:13:48.560 You know?

00:13:49.560 Fair enough.

00:13:50.560 Yeah.

00:13:51.560 Okay.

00:13:52.560 You're just being, you're being disputatious.

00:13:54.560 If we go out for lunch with him, is he allowing me to select the menu items?

00:14:00.560 A hundred percent.

00:14:01.560 And a hundred percent just being like, yep.

00:14:02.560 He was chief of staff to Kathleen Wynne.

00:14:04.560 I'll eat whatever you bring from me. 0.85

00:14:05.560 You know, you can't be chief of staff to Kathleen Wynne and be a sexist pick.

00:14:09.560 Like, Andrew is, Andrew believes women belong at the highest level in our politics. 0.83

00:14:17.560 Well, that's fantastic.

00:14:18.560 But if, will he go into a restaurant and say, I'll take whatever you think I should eat?

00:14:24.560 No. 0.99

00:14:25.560 Well, who the fuck does that? 0.99

00:14:27.560 It's a sign of a strong character person in my books. 1.00

00:14:31.560 She ate things at this restaurant tonight.

00:14:33.560 I've never seen them before.

00:14:34.560 It looked like Star Trek food.

00:14:35.560 What's the question here for me?

00:14:36.560 Number five.

00:14:37.560 Oh, wait.

00:14:38.560 Did I have a, did I have a report?

00:14:41.560 No, no.

00:14:42.560 It's not fair.

00:14:43.560 No, it's unfair to ask you to comment on a guy you've never met.

00:14:46.560 Fair.

00:14:47.560 Okay.

00:14:48.560 But, okay.

00:14:49.560 So, well, you haven't met Carney either, but I want to give him a little bit of a credit.

00:14:53.560 Like, he's never run, like, I don't think he ever run for student council.

00:14:58.560 He's, in this race, he really hasn't fallen flat on his face.

00:15:03.560 And like, I expected him to.

00:15:05.560 Like, you know, running for prime minister, being prime minister, it's not one of those,

00:15:10.560 I'm going to learn on the job kind of things.

00:15:13.560 But he, he did well.

00:15:15.560 Obviously, he's going to win, I think, on Monday.

00:15:18.560 And among other things, it suggests that, you know, who needs a political strategist or advisor like Warren Kinsella?

00:15:24.560 You can just like, you know, run and people like you and you win.

00:15:27.560 Okay, well, I mean, there was a lot of things, I think, potentially on his side.

00:15:31.560 I think, potentially, we could suggest he skirted through a few things without having to do a tremendous amount of effort.

00:15:40.560 He had a few things on his side.

00:15:45.560 You know me, I like people who are a bit punchier.

00:15:48.560 So he's been a bit, forgive me for using the same word again, but I love it.

00:15:52.560 He's been a bit banal, a little bit vanilla for me.

00:15:56.560 And I said that to you from the beginning.

00:15:58.560 I had a few other adjectives.

00:15:59.560 However, I think he's just done an okay job with the circumstances that were laid out in front of him.

00:16:06.560 I don't think he's excelled in any one way.

00:16:08.560 I don't think that he's blown anybody away with like, look at this guy who came out of nowhere and just completely, I think things were already starting to shift.

00:16:16.560 Yeah.

00:16:17.560 And he was the calm, cooling, kind of settling cup of tea that everybody needed.

00:16:24.560 Let me throw something at you that I threw a crutch hand at.

00:16:27.560 Didn't that become a strategy in and of itself?

00:16:29.560 You know, like Robin Williams used to say that Canada is your grandmother's apartment on top of a meth lab.

00:16:36.560 Right. 1.00

00:16:37.560 So that's become very true since Trump came back is he's a maniac. 1.00

00:16:43.560 He's a fucking monkey with a machine gun. 1.00

00:16:46.560 And in those circumstances, Canadians, I think, logically aren't looking for somebody who's like equally manic and crazy and unpredictable. 1.00

00:16:57.560 Well, that's what I just said.

00:16:58.560 They're looking for somebody.

00:16:59.560 No, but I thought you were being critical of Carney for being that way.

00:17:03.560 No, I'm not necessarily being critical.

00:17:05.560 I'm saying I don't, I'm not sure that it was a strategy.

00:17:08.560 I think potentially he kind of got, it was sort of fortuitous for him.

00:17:12.560 He's lucky.

00:17:13.560 Oh yeah.

00:17:14.560 100%.

00:17:15.560 You know, things were potentially starting to shift before.

00:17:18.560 I mean, his name has been at play for over a year.

00:17:20.560 We've, we've talked about him for over a year now.

00:17:23.560 You and I have.

00:17:25.560 So I think there was a few things on his side that limited his need to really be as, you know, fine tuned, strategized, charming, on point on everything.

00:17:39.560 I think he was able to scale back a little bit because of the way things were shifting.

00:17:46.560 And also, you know, maybe one of the, one of my Kinsellian rules is, you know, when somebody, when a politician reaches the age of 40 and they're a certain way, that's it, that you're not going to change them.

00:17:56.560 The fundamentals aren't going to change.

00:17:58.560 You know, maybe you can teach them how to speak French, but like who they are is who they are.

00:18:03.560 So, you know, maybe that's why Carney's just being who is.

00:18:06.560 Number eight, we in the media, uh, had a Tory leader, Mr. Polyev who would not let us travel with him.

00:18:15.560 That was the first. 0.94

00:18:17.560 And I thought it was really dumb. 0.92

00:18:19.560 We had a grit leader who would get condescending when we asked basic questions, particularly about his personal financial holdings, which is not an unacceptable or unreasonable question. 0.93

00:18:34.560 But I think notwithstanding all of that, the media did a pretty good job of covering this election.

00:18:40.560 So I give some kudos to the, to the media.

00:18:43.560 What do you think?

00:18:44.560 Uh, I mean, media is tough because you and I are a bit antiquated in the way that we receive our news.

00:18:52.560 She reads the New York Times every single morning, folks.

00:18:56.560 Amongst other, papiers from around the world.

00:18:59.560 You can't be afraid.

00:19:01.560 Um, but the point is, I've had this discussion with, you know, people in my own social sphere, um, to where they don't even consume news the same way that I do.

00:19:12.560 So it's a complex question because I think traditional media, um, you know, has had a tough, a tough road, particularly with campaigns where there's so many other ways that people access quote unquote journalism.

00:19:28.560 Um, and they charge us for those seats, they charge us thousands of dollars.

00:19:32.560 It's not like they're letting us travel for free.

00:19:34.560 Again, I'm a bit stodgy and kind of old foggy-ish, I suppose.

00:19:38.560 And I mean that endearingly.

00:19:40.560 Um.

00:19:41.560 She is an old foggy, folks.

00:19:42.560 Yeah.

00:19:43.560 Much more mature than your host here.

00:19:47.560 Um.

00:19:48.560 Papiers.

00:19:49.560 Papiers.

00:19:50.560 Papiers de le monde.

00:19:51.560 Papiers de le monde.

00:19:52.560 Um.

00:19:53.560 Can't get to the point.

00:19:54.560 We've got three more things to go through.

00:19:55.560 Well, stop interrupting me.

00:19:56.560 Um, yeah, the, whether or not they've done a good job, I think is the way that you and I might assess that.

00:20:03.560 And I agree with you.

00:20:04.560 I think they've done a good job, but I don't know how that can be evaluated in modern times.

00:20:11.560 It's not like we can look to, you know, how did Walter Cronkite handle, you know, um, this debate or, or even the likes of-

00:20:21.560 Bob Woodward or-

00:20:22.560 Of that gorgeous Peter Mansbridge.

00:20:24.560 We don't have the likes of that.

00:20:25.560 You thought he was gorgeous?

00:20:26.560 He's a very handsome man.

00:20:28.560 Yeah.

00:20:29.560 Well, I mean, you know, he's not, you know.

00:20:33.560 Ian Hannah Mansing?

00:20:34.560 Ian Hannah Mansing is a pro.

00:20:37.560 He is a pro.

00:20:38.560 Okay, number eight.

00:20:40.560 No, I did number eight.

00:20:43.560 You're onto number nine.

00:20:44.560 Number nine.

00:20:45.560 I think Jagmeet Singh is a goner.

00:20:48.560 I think Elizabeth May is a goner. 1.00

00:20:50.560 I don't think either is going to be missed.

00:20:52.560 You can disagree with that if you like.

00:20:54.560 Yves-Francois Blachet, block leader.

00:20:57.560 He could be forced to walk the plank too, if the block's little surge in the past few days turns out to be an illusion.

00:21:05.560 Polyev, as I've written elsewhere on my must-read substat during this election campaign, if Carney gets a majority, I think Polyev is a goner.

00:21:18.560 If it's a minority, he may live to fight another day.

00:21:22.560 So I'm interested in your thoughts on that.

00:21:24.560 If he'd been the one winning majority, Carney wouldn't have stuck around.

00:21:28.560 Like, the same with the minority.

00:21:30.560 Like, I think Carney would have booked.

00:21:32.560 But as things stand now, Carney's the guy who's going to be staying put.

00:21:35.560 What do you think?

00:21:37.560 Yes, Jagmeet is done.

00:21:40.560 Super disappointing because, I mean, I, full disclosure, have not been a fan of the NDP party since the early aughts.

00:21:47.560 But I did like him when he first came out.

00:21:49.560 And I think I've mentioned to you multiple times, in varying degrees of disdain in my voice, what a disappointment he has been.

00:21:59.560 And I certainly think he is gone.

00:22:03.560 I'm quite assured that he will lose his seat.

00:22:07.560 And I think the NDP needs to do a bit of an overhaul, much like I had suggested the Democratic Party to the south of us needed to take a long, hard look at themselves and the things they were willing, or the hills they were willing to die on.

00:22:20.560 Elizabeth May.

00:22:22.560 I don't know enough about her.

00:22:24.560 You're not missing anything.

00:22:26.560 Trust me.

00:22:27.560 I know a little bit about her.

00:22:28.560 I check in on her every once in a while.

00:22:30.560 I don't, I don't touch base with a lot of green party.

00:22:36.560 That's very prudent and wise of you to do that.

00:22:39.560 Okay, let's cut to the chase.

00:22:40.560 The big question tomorrow night, you know, and this is number 10.

00:22:44.560 I'm jumping ahead to number 10.

00:22:45.560 I didn't say anything about Carney, or?

00:22:47.560 Well, that's what I'm getting to.

00:22:48.560 You know, I think Carney's going to win.

00:22:50.560 So I want you to comment on who you think is going to win.

00:22:52.560 And if Carney wins, if he takes seats away from Mr. Polyev.

00:22:59.560 So not just a, you know, question of him taking seats away from the NDP.

00:23:03.560 You've just said that's a certainty.

00:23:05.560 Right?

00:23:06.560 Yeah, I think.

00:23:07.560 Right.

00:23:08.560 So what if Polyev lose, Brian Lilly and I talk about this on this week's podcast.

00:23:14.560 What if Polyev actually dropped seats?

00:23:18.560 Can he survive?

00:23:19.560 You know lots of Tories who come into your restaurant.

00:23:22.560 You talk to people, you know people.

00:23:25.560 Do you think they're going to let him stick around if he loses, loses ground?

00:23:30.560 Actually, I think this is maybe where you and I might disagree a bit.

00:23:35.560 I agree.

00:23:36.560 I think Carney's going to win.

00:23:39.560 I'm pretty confident he's going to get a majority.

00:23:42.560 I think he's definitely going to take NDP seats.

00:23:44.560 And I think you and I agree that potentially NDP might potentially lose status,

00:23:51.560 which would certainly mean they have to rethink themselves.

00:23:56.560 Teach them a lesson. 0.80

00:23:58.560 Well, that's a little childish, but everyone needs a bit of a kick in the face to have an

00:24:03.560 understanding of where did we go wrong and how do we reset.

00:24:07.560 As for Polyev, I think this is actually where we might disagree.

00:24:11.560 I don't think he'll be cast aside, whether it's a full majority or if he's left with a minority.

00:24:18.560 I don't think so.

00:24:19.560 I think the people, I think the Tories that are supportive of him, I don't think they're

00:24:24.560 going to fully blame him for this.

00:24:26.560 I think they can pick some things to blame him on, but I don't think they'll say this

00:24:33.560 is 100% your fault and you shall be tarred. 0.96

00:24:35.560 All right.

00:24:36.560 There you go.

00:24:37.560 Pierre Polyev, he says the job is yours to hold on to if you want it.

00:24:42.560 So I'm just not sure you're going to want it.

00:24:44.560 I wanted to bring his glasses back.

00:24:46.560 I wanted to wear the black framed glasses again.

00:24:49.560 The tight t-shirts thing was kind of goofy.

00:24:51.560 I don't need that.

00:24:52.560 But the glasses, the spectacles.

00:24:53.560 Yeah.

00:24:54.560 I appreciate it.

00:24:55.560 Honestly, he, you know, he's going to lose.

00:24:59.560 I've never been a fan, but he's, you know, I got all these liberals writing to me and saying 0.77

00:25:05.560 he's a fascist. 0.65

00:25:06.560 It's like, boys and girls, you should live under a real fascist state just for a day. 0.68

00:25:12.560 You shouldn't be throwing around words like that.

00:25:14.560 At the end of the day, we're pretty lucky to have the country we've got.

00:25:17.560 I really would like to get a focus group of just run of the mill, different demographics,

00:25:22.560 socioeconomics that I would really like to know what the base definition of fascism is

00:25:29.560 in modern times, because I believe, at least in my history lessons, there was one definition.

00:25:36.560 Wasn't necessarily a gray area.

00:25:38.560 I suppose you could maybe blur a few things, but it seems to be like 15 different

00:25:43.560 Well, you and I right now, tonight, maybe we should end this way, are in a country that's

00:25:49.560 full of people who are rather sick of people in the outside world comparing their politics

00:25:55.560 to Nazism or Hitler or fascism.

00:25:59.560 The people here have quite a bit of personal experience with Hitler and Nazism and fascism,

00:26:06.560 and they don't think that we should be making those kinds of comparisons, and I think they're

00:26:09.560 right.

00:26:10.560 Yeah, a hundred percent.

00:26:12.560 And as you've echoed previously, you know, I have a lot of different people that come

00:26:17.560 to my cooking classes and events, and a lot of them are of a certain age that experienced

00:26:23.560 these types of things in real time 40, 50 years ago.

00:26:27.560 And you listen to them, and it's quite eye-opening to some what they have to say about having experienced

00:26:37.560 this type of stuff.

00:26:38.560 And then being in this city, and you know, this has been a dream of mine for a long time,

00:26:43.560 and part of the reason I'm here is to do something that my mom always wanted.

00:26:48.560 But I think what people think about this place where we are now, that's just a lot of speculation,

00:26:55.560 because I am one of those people that agrees that a lot of things have to be observed in

00:27:00.560 the world for you to be able to speak about them, especially and passionately.

00:27:05.560 So come to Israel, everybody, and you'll see what E and I have seen.

00:27:09.560 It is diverse.

00:27:10.560 It is pluralistic.

00:27:12.560 It is democratic.

00:27:14.560 It is secular.

00:27:16.560 It is not what you've been told.

00:27:19.560 So come to Israel. 0.99

00:27:20.560 So, E, thank you very much.

00:27:22.560 I guess we'll be getting...

00:27:23.560 I think it should be pointed out we are not being paid to say that.

00:27:27.560 No, we are not.

00:27:28.560 We're definitely not.

00:27:29.560 We're paying to be here.

00:27:30.560 I bought my own ticket to come here.

00:27:32.560 Yeah.

00:27:33.560 But again, I didn't know what to expect.

00:27:36.560 I had thoughts and hopes of what was going to be here, and I've only been here for a short

00:27:39.560 period of time, and...

00:27:40.560 It's pretty cool.

00:27:41.560 I don't think you can have such strong opinions unless you can experience something.

00:27:44.560 No, it's a pretty cool place.

00:27:46.560 But, okay, here's my big complaint.

00:27:49.560 Why don't their hotels have ironing boards and irons? 0.99

00:27:53.560 Well, I think that might range from region to region because this is similar in Italy

00:27:58.560 and France is...

00:27:59.560 It kind of depends on the climate.

00:28:00.560 I wasn't asking you that question for like a serious answer.

00:28:03.560 Well, I'm going to give you a serious answer because to me it's a serious question.

00:28:05.560 We're going to wrap this up.

00:28:06.560 As someone who wears a lot of linen clothing, so I brought a lot of linen.

00:28:11.560 This may not be for all of your listeners, but perhaps for the ladies in the listening

00:28:16.560 audience.

00:28:17.560 You need to iron linen.

00:28:19.560 And as I've seen, at least in Tel Aviv, perhaps things will be different as we shift

00:28:24.560 to different parts of the country.

00:28:26.560 These people, first of all, are gorgeous and they are fit.

00:28:30.560 Yeah.

00:28:31.560 So they are...

00:28:32.560 Super hot women, guys. 1.00

00:28:33.560 Okay. 0.99

00:28:34.560 That's ridiculous. 0.96

00:28:35.560 Okay. 0.96

00:28:36.560 We'll say it, but you said the guys are super hot too.

00:28:38.560 I didn't say that.

00:28:39.560 Yes, you did.

00:28:40.560 I did not say that.

00:28:41.560 I said everyone here is beautiful and they are fit and they are...

00:28:44.560 I told you about my security guard and you said something.

00:28:47.560 Well, because you said he looks like Daniel Craig and please...

00:28:50.560 He does.

00:28:51.560 He looks like Daniel Craig.

00:28:52.560 Exactly like Daniel Craig.

00:28:53.560 Okay.

00:28:54.560 Now I've lost focus.

00:28:55.560 Let's wrap it up.

00:28:56.560 So just say thank you everybody for listening to this week's KinsellaCast.

00:29:00.560 And keep all of those notes that you send Warren when I make an appearance about how I'm

00:29:05.560 very much appreciated on the podcast and you need more of me.

00:29:08.560 And...

00:29:09.560 And thank you for listening.

00:29:11.560 To the KinsellaCast.

00:29:12.560 Bye.

00:29:13.560 2

00:29:14.560 KinsellaCast.

00:29:15.560 What is the artist to say?

00:29:16.560 Well, let's dance...

00:29:17.560 Hey, baby, would you take a chance?

00:29:18.560 I gotta do.

00:29:19.560 Let me have theance...

00:29:20.560 Well, let's dance...

00:29:22.560 I let's dance...

00:29:23.560 We see this twist you're Vorpamish's favorite dance.

00:29:29.560 you'll dance...

00:29:30.560 You'll dance the world indeed.

00:29:31.560 We'll let's dance...

00:29:34.060 We'll let's dance...

00:29:36.560 Hey, baby, oh, you thrilled my soul...

00:29:40.560 Hold the tide, don't you let me go.

00:29:42.560 Well, let's dance, I let's dance

00:29:46.140 We'll see the twist and stop the next day instead

00:29:50.540 Any other act that's a warranty

00:29:52.800 Well, let's dance, well, let's dance

00:29:56.720 Okay, with it

00:30:12.560 Hey, baby, if you're all alone

00:30:22.100 Baby, you'll let me walk you home

00:30:24.800 Well, let's dance, I let's dance

00:30:28.400 We'll see the twist and stop the next day instead

00:30:32.720 Any other act that's a warranty

00:30:35.080 Well, let's dance, well, let's dance

00:30:38.780 Hey, baby, if you're swinging right

00:30:43.160 Yes, I know that tonight, tonight

00:30:45.740 Well, let's dance, well, let's dance

00:30:49.340 We'll see the twist and stop the next day instead

00:30:53.640 Any other act that's a warranty

00:30:55.800 Well, let's dance, well, let's dance

00:30:59.760 Well, let's dance, well, let's dance

00:31:04.920 And we're back, and we're back

00:31:06.380 I am in Tel Aviv in Israel

00:31:09.560 I'm sitting here looking at it

00:31:11.140 The beautiful beach, it's sunny and warm

00:31:13.760 And my friend Brian Lilly is back in Canada

00:31:16.860 And Brian, where are you right now?

00:31:19.220 I can hear you moving

00:31:20.200 I'm out at Yon and Bloor

00:31:22.880 Just walking past the scaffolding

00:31:25.400 That that guy set the Israeli flag on fire

00:31:27.880 And was arrested for recently

00:31:29.880 Yeah, you wouldn't see

00:31:31.060 You wouldn't see that here, I don't think

00:31:33.740 No, no, we're just walking Chloe back 0.92

00:31:36.760 From a trip to Ramston Dog Park this morning

00:31:39.680 And it's a gorgeous day here, finally

00:31:42.320 Excellent, good

00:31:43.480 Well, we deserve it in Canada

00:31:45.380 And they deserve it in Israel 1.00

00:31:46.640 So, anyway, greetings from Israel

00:31:49.260 Haven't had a siren yet

00:31:50.820 But I've gotten the security thing

00:31:52.800 And, you know, I don't think people in Canada

00:31:55.620 Really fully appreciate what it's like

00:31:57.400 To live in Israel under the threat 0.84

00:31:59.060 Of missiles and rockets all the time

00:32:01.720 But fortunately, that's not the case in Canada

00:32:03.600 At least not yet

00:32:04.940 How do you think things are going to go tomorrow?

00:32:09.580 What's your, you

00:32:10.180 And I just want to preface it by saying

00:32:12.120 For those, you know

00:32:14.260 If Brian tells us there might be a Liberal victory

00:32:17.140 Brian said there was a possibility

00:32:19.080 Of a Liberal victory at the start of the year

00:32:21.020 Like, you were the first guy to say that

00:32:23.760 So

00:32:24.640 I remember telling that to Liberals

00:32:27.020 Who said, you have more faith in my party than I do

00:32:29.440 And that was just after

00:32:31.400 Trudeau stepped down

00:32:33.420 They said, oh no

00:32:34.080 Maybe we can fold the Conservatives to a minority

00:32:36.320 And I said, no

00:32:36.900 There's a world where Carney can win

00:32:38.920 Well, whoever took over could win

00:32:41.560 We weren't sure it was going to be Carney at that point

00:32:44.540 But my mantra still goes

00:32:48.420 It is that voters are fickle

00:32:52.520 Polls can change

00:32:53.460 Campaigns matter

00:32:54.440 The Conservatives have had a bit of momentum

00:32:58.340 The past week and a half

00:33:00.060 Will it be enough for them to stop the Liberal victory?

00:33:04.360 We'll find out on Monday

00:33:05.720 The, you know, if it was going another week

00:33:10.260 I think there'd be a very good chance

00:33:12.260 If the Conservatives taking it

00:33:13.600 Most likely outcome now is a Liberal victory

00:33:17.080 But if people show up

00:33:18.380 And especially the voters who are looking for change

00:33:21.640 Younger voters

00:33:22.540 If they show up

00:33:23.360 The Conservatives can win

00:33:24.980 The problem is

00:33:26.240 They don't vote at the same rate as those 55 plus 0.99

00:33:29.000 Who are firmly in the

00:33:31.960 The Carney camp

00:33:34.520 I keep going to call him Ignatiev

00:33:36.260 We got some polling from

00:33:40.460 Leger the other day

00:33:42.660 And really granular stuff in the charts

00:33:45.100 Who are the Liberals doing best with?

00:33:49.440 People who are not in the labour market

00:33:51.140 They said, are you in the labour market or not?

00:33:53.640 Meaning, are you working or not?

00:33:55.640 He's doing well with retirees 0.98

00:33:57.520 Making over $150,000 a year

00:34:02.220 And, yeah

00:34:05.840 So, this is who's deciding the election

00:34:09.480 And they're the most reliable voting group

00:34:12.400 There is a bigger group, younger

00:34:14.240 But they don't show up as much

00:34:17.960 So, we shall see

00:34:19.500 At the end of the day, though

00:34:21.060 And I texted you this lyric

00:34:22.300 From the great Paul Weller

00:34:23.740 In his days with the jam

00:34:25.580 The public gets what the public wants

00:34:28.380 Yep

00:34:28.920 And it seems

00:34:30.700 Seems

00:34:31.540 To be a liberal victory

00:34:33.380 But, you know

00:34:34.240 This afternoon

00:34:35.600 I was with Hillel Neuer

00:34:36.840 Who you've interviewed

00:34:37.900 And I've interviewed

00:34:38.520 He's a Montrealer

00:34:39.680 And he leads an amazing organization

00:34:42.320 Called UN Watch

00:34:43.480 And he was kind of asking me questions

00:34:45.900 Saying, what's going on back there?

00:34:47.460 What's going on back home?

00:34:48.900 And I said, well

00:34:49.600 You wouldn't believe it

00:34:50.740 But Mark Carney

00:34:52.000 Had a conversation with Donald Trump

00:34:53.620 He said, yeah

00:34:54.080 I heard about that

00:34:54.940 He lied about it?

00:34:56.500 And I said, yeah

00:34:58.460 I said, my colleague Brian Lilly

00:35:00.260 Who never calls anybody a liar

00:35:01.920 In his journalism

00:35:03.220 Has repeatedly called Mark Carney a liar

00:35:06.860 And he said, well

00:35:07.920 Is it going to hurt him?

00:35:09.100 Like, why would he do that?

00:35:10.420 I said, you got me

00:35:11.480 Like, it was actually in his interest

00:35:13.580 To disclose it

00:35:14.480 But he didn't 0.88

00:35:15.500 And it's just the weirdest damn thing 0.63

00:35:17.680 But, I mean

00:35:18.660 What's your take?

00:35:20.120 Here's another weird thing

00:35:21.660 About this election

00:35:22.920 You mentioned Hillel being a Montrealer

00:35:26.140 Montreal Jewish organizations

00:35:29.300 Have endorsed the Conservatives

00:35:31.620 You're originally from Montreal

00:35:34.500 I lived there for a while

00:35:35.780 Spent a lot of time working there

00:35:37.260 Anglo-Montrealers 0.86

00:35:40.020 And, you know

00:35:41.000 There are Francoun Jews in Montreal

00:35:43.580 But the biggest contingent are Anglos

00:35:46.640 They are the most

00:35:48.360 Tried and tested liberal voters

00:35:52.280 Jewish Montreal

00:35:53.600 Endorsing the Conservatives

00:35:56.400 The NDP, though

00:35:58.980 Falling in behind the Liberals

00:36:01.580 To support a guy

00:36:02.980 Who's an international globalist banker

00:36:04.980 Worked with Goldman Sachs

00:36:06.640 Ran Brookfield Asset Management

00:36:08.240 A company that, you know

00:36:10.380 Has been reported

00:36:11.180 Owns a chain of private hospitals

00:36:14.160 Private insurance companies

00:36:15.560 That deny workers their health benefits

00:36:18.220 Nothing about this election makes sense

00:36:22.340 And none of these things

00:36:23.380 Appear to be sticking a carny

00:36:25.280 So, you know

00:36:28.260 All of it's bizarre

00:36:29.220 If the Conservatives win

00:36:30.600 It will be the

00:36:32.040 Often talked about

00:36:33.380 Seldom heard from

00:36:34.700 Silent majority showing up

00:36:36.060 But, like, the Conservatives

00:36:38.140 Who run a good

00:36:38.820 You know, really

00:36:39.800 I'd be

00:36:40.780 You know me

00:36:41.660 If I thought they'd run 0.99

00:36:42.900 A shitty campaign 0.99

00:36:43.680 I'd say so 0.98

00:36:44.400 I think they've run

00:36:45.520 A very disciplined

00:36:46.380 Professional campaign

00:36:47.440 I think some of the attacks

00:36:48.660 On Jenny Byrne

00:36:49.980 Have been pretty disgusting 0.96

00:36:51.740 If she'd been a guy 1.00

00:36:52.840 I don't think they'd be happening

00:36:54.100 You know

00:36:55.640 The only mistake

00:36:56.820 I think they really made

00:36:57.740 Was putting out

00:36:58.540 Their platform late

00:37:00.040 You know

00:37:01.880 See, I don't get that

00:37:02.900 I heard that

00:37:03.480 When I was filling in

00:37:04.320 On 1010 earlier this week

00:37:05.920 They put their platform

00:37:06.760 Out so late

00:37:07.400 Everything that was

00:37:09.300 In that

00:37:10.260 Had been put out

00:37:11.320 Previously

00:37:11.820 So

00:37:12.980 And

00:37:14.100 The Liberals

00:37:15.640 Put theirs out

00:37:16.160 Two days earlier

00:37:17.120 I mean

00:37:18.120 They all put their

00:37:18.660 Platforms out late

00:37:19.660 I don't think

00:37:20.660 This is a platform election

00:37:22.160 No, it's not

00:37:22.880 And polling shows that

00:37:23.940 It's like

00:37:24.420 More than 60%

00:37:26.120 Of people said

00:37:27.300 No, I don't care

00:37:28.040 What the platforms say

00:37:29.140 They're voting either

00:37:30.240 For change

00:37:30.920 Or for safety and security

00:37:32.560 And if you want change

00:37:33.700 You're voting conservative

00:37:34.620 If you're

00:37:36.300 Really scared of the

00:37:37.240 Orange man in Washington 0.72

00:37:38.320 You're voting for

00:37:39.560 Safety and security

00:37:40.580 And backing Carney

00:37:41.400 So

00:37:41.780 But

00:37:43.140 I'll say this

00:37:44.080 To bring back

00:37:44.680 A maximum

00:37:45.740 I haven't used

00:37:46.360 With you in a while

00:37:47.140 If the conservatives

00:37:50.140 Don't win

00:37:50.880 Then

00:37:52.220 It goes back

00:37:53.060 To something

00:37:53.480 That I've said

00:37:54.200 To you many times

00:37:55.060 And that is

00:37:56.040 That politics

00:37:56.940 Is about addition

00:37:57.920 Not subtraction

00:37:59.100 And while

00:38:00.060 The conservatives

00:38:00.680 Did a very good job

00:38:01.740 Of adding to their base

00:38:03.100 Looks like

00:38:03.800 They're going to get

00:38:04.260 38 to 40%

00:38:05.420 Of the vote

00:38:05.960 And even

00:38:07.900 Some polls

00:38:08.680 Say in Ontario

00:38:09.380 They'll get

00:38:09.760 40% of the vote

00:38:10.860 That normally

00:38:11.560 Gets you

00:38:12.080 A majority 0.60

00:38:13.080 It sure does

00:38:13.900 But in this instance

00:38:15.740 If the liberals

00:38:16.700 Win it's

00:38:17.380 Because they're

00:38:18.420 Even higher

00:38:19.240 With that

00:38:19.720 Collapsed NDP vote

00:38:21.300 Well

00:38:22.340 Where did the conservatives

00:38:24.380 Not do addition then?

00:38:25.720 I mean they've obviously

00:38:26.680 Added to their base

00:38:27.760 They brought in 1.00

00:38:28.520 A bunch of

00:38:29.040 Younger people

00:38:29.700 That normally

00:38:30.140 Wouldn't vote for them

00:38:31.080 But they didn't

00:38:32.300 Build bridges

00:38:32.860 With folks like

00:38:34.180 Tim Houston

00:38:34.760 Doug Ford

00:38:36.460 Patrick Brown

00:38:38.120 Jean Charest

00:38:39.480 People that should

00:38:41.100 Be out there

00:38:41.540 Campaigning for them

00:38:42.620 Even if they've had

00:38:43.840 Differences in the past

00:38:45.540 They would normally

00:38:47.560 Be out there

00:38:48.000 Campaigning for them

00:38:48.980 That's not happening

00:38:50.340 Because

00:38:50.720 They were told

00:38:52.840 We don't need you

00:38:54.000 We don't need you

00:38:55.060 We don't want you

00:38:55.820 And on election night

00:38:57.140 It's going to matter too

00:38:58.140 So if

00:38:58.720 As the polls suggest

00:39:00.520 Polyev loses

00:39:01.480 And if

00:39:02.080 If you know

00:39:02.940 Because of the NDP

00:39:03.760 Collapse

00:39:04.380 It's actually a slim

00:39:05.560 Liberal majority

00:39:06.860 You know there is

00:39:08.140 Obviously

00:39:08.800 Obviously going to

00:39:09.840 Be pressure on

00:39:10.720 Polyev to

00:39:11.700 To resign

00:39:12.980 And that's when

00:39:14.040 You need people

00:39:14.680 Like Doug Ford

00:39:15.520 And Tim Houston

00:39:16.500 And others

00:39:16.960 To say no

00:39:17.700 Give him a chance

00:39:18.680 You know he did

00:39:20.500 A good job

00:39:21.040 You know

00:39:21.320 Could they have

00:39:22.360 Added an extra

00:39:22.980 Few points

00:39:23.640 By having all

00:39:24.580 Those different

00:39:25.040 People on their

00:39:25.700 Team campaigning

00:39:26.480 For them

00:39:26.920 For sure

00:39:27.500 For sure

00:39:28.460 So what do

00:39:29.920 You think

00:39:30.360 So let's say

00:39:31.080 Let's game it out

00:39:31.880 So you know

00:39:32.860 I wrote on

00:39:33.720 Substack yesterday

00:39:34.680 If it had been

00:39:35.600 A liberal loss

00:39:37.560 I think Mark Carney

00:39:38.740 Would be gone so fast

00:39:40.520 To make your head spin

00:39:41.660 There's no doubt

00:39:42.760 About that

00:39:43.460 In my mind

00:39:44.380 But Polyev

00:39:45.400 So Polyev 0.97

00:39:46.080 If it's a minority 0.94

00:39:46.800 I think he's going

00:39:48.000 To stick around

00:39:48.660 What do you think

00:39:49.300 If he loses seats

00:39:51.960 No

00:39:52.300 Yeah

00:39:52.940 If he loses seats

00:39:54.660 I think there'll be

00:39:55.300 Pressure on him to go

00:39:56.400 Even if it's

00:39:58.600 A liberal minority

00:39:59.400 It'll depend

00:40:01.920 On how tight

00:40:02.680 So if it's very tight

00:40:06.340 Maybe not

00:40:07.200 But a lot of the

00:40:08.480 People around

00:40:09.160 Pierre

00:40:09.660 Not Pierre himself

00:40:10.520 But a lot of the

00:40:11.340 People around him

00:40:12.100 Were the ones

00:40:12.660 That forced

00:40:13.320 Aaron O'Toole out

00:40:14.340 For not doing

00:40:15.380 Well enough

00:40:15.840 Last time

00:40:16.380 That's right

00:40:17.140 That's right

00:40:17.960 Will the knives

00:40:19.020 Come back

00:40:19.800 You know

00:40:21.640 Will the factions

00:40:22.400 Hey look

00:40:23.200 I was just

00:40:23.680 Chatting with

00:40:24.720 A friend who's

00:40:26.460 Worked on liberal

00:40:27.100 Campaigns for years

00:40:28.280 And you know

00:40:29.440 She's very excited

00:40:30.400 About

00:40:30.720 The possibility

00:40:33.120 Of a victory

00:40:33.900 And we started

00:40:34.920 Talking about

00:40:35.460 The factionalism

00:40:36.240 And she said

00:40:36.700 Look

00:40:36.940 We do it

00:40:39.220 To ourselves

00:40:39.720 As well

00:40:40.280 And described

00:40:41.220 What it was like

00:40:41.920 Working under

00:40:43.180 Both

00:40:43.560 Stéphane Dion

00:40:44.460 And Michael Ignatieff

00:40:45.980 And the infighting

00:40:47.060 To take down

00:40:47.960 Your own person

00:40:48.640 We could see that

00:40:49.960 Come back

00:40:50.820 If the conservatives

00:40:52.280 Somehow do win

00:40:53.400 Jenny Byrne

00:40:54.460 Will be seen

00:40:54.980 As a genius

00:40:55.480 And Pierre

00:40:56.480 Will be secure

00:40:57.200 Yeah

00:40:57.800 Yeah

00:40:58.540 No

00:40:59.140 For sure

00:40:59.760 You know

00:41:00.420 Because it

00:41:00.880 Really

00:41:01.220 They

00:41:01.620 In my view

00:41:03.160 Is they ran

00:41:04.040 A more disciplined

00:41:05.140 Campaign by the liberals

00:41:06.280 You know

00:41:06.580 Letting your leader

00:41:07.460 Fib

00:41:08.660 Or as you put it

00:41:09.880 Lie

00:41:10.420 Bald face lie 0.99

00:41:11.660 About a phone call

00:41:12.960 With the president

00:41:13.500 Of the United States

00:41:14.120 Like you just

00:41:14.900 Don't do that

00:41:15.960 Like it

00:41:16.560 And it

00:41:17.040 It's just

00:41:18.440 The guy lied

00:41:19.120 About

00:41:19.420 Which song

00:41:21.500 He used to

00:41:22.160 Warm up to

00:41:22.840 For minor hockey

00:41:24.280 Right

00:41:25.220 He's got

00:41:27.280 You know

00:41:28.400 Is he a pathological 0.99

00:41:30.320 Liar 0.98

00:41:31.260 Obviously that's a possibility 0.96

00:41:32.360 You know

00:41:32.960 When I was talking

00:41:33.560 To Hillel Neuer

00:41:34.280 About it

00:41:34.640 He said

00:41:34.820 Well why would he do that

00:41:35.940 I said

00:41:36.360 Honest to God

00:41:37.160 I think it's just

00:41:38.240 Political experience

00:41:39.220 Like he just

00:41:40.360 The guy is sloppy

00:41:42.500 You know

00:41:43.360 Oh he should have

00:41:44.900 Been out there

00:41:45.480 After that phone call

00:41:47.260 With Trump

00:41:47.700 Saying

00:41:48.160 You know

00:41:50.200 Donald Trump

00:41:50.720 Raised the 51st state

00:41:51.880 And I told him

00:41:52.480 In no uncertain terms

00:41:53.540 That'll never happen

00:41:54.500 Yeah

00:41:55.040 Why would he leave that out

00:41:57.240 Yeah

00:41:57.520 It would have been helpful

00:41:59.620 You know

00:42:00.820 He had previously lied

00:42:02.340 About

00:42:02.900 The idea of a call

00:42:05.680 Even

00:42:05.940 Because if you remember

00:42:07.200 Right after he got

00:42:08.060 Sworn in

00:42:09.140 He said

00:42:09.500 I'll only talk to him

00:42:10.440 Once he shows Canada respect

00:42:11.800 And we're like

00:42:12.220 Well

00:42:12.440 What does that look like

00:42:14.420 And people are asking him

00:42:15.580 What

00:42:16.420 What did that mean

00:42:17.920 What has to happen

00:42:18.960 Well it turns out

00:42:20.480 They called

00:42:21.340 To try and speak to Trump

00:42:23.220 The day he was sworn in

00:42:25.080 And Trump didn't call him back

00:42:27.500 For two weeks

00:42:28.140 I mean

00:42:30.100 He does have a problem

00:42:31.920 With the truth

00:42:32.660 But it doesn't appear

00:42:34.360 To matter

00:42:34.740 With his

00:42:35.500 His supporters

00:42:37.240 I do tell you

00:42:38.820 I do worry about

00:42:39.920 National unity

00:42:40.640 At the end of all of this

00:42:41.700 Me too

00:42:42.060 And you know

00:42:44.860 Our colleagues

00:42:45.920 In eastern Canada

00:42:47.240 Who just

00:42:47.940 You know

00:42:48.880 Want to pat

00:42:50.240 Western Canada

00:42:50.920 On the head

00:42:51.540 And say

00:42:52.020 Oh that'll never happen

00:42:53.840 And you know

00:42:54.920 Why be traitorous

00:42:56.300 Things they'd never say

00:42:57.700 To come back

00:42:58.180 I really don't think

00:43:01.020 They understand

00:43:01.780 No they don't

00:43:03.600 How things will go

00:43:04.300 And if Carney gets in

00:43:05.880 And sticks to his policies

00:43:07.180 Of doing nothing

00:43:08.780 For the oil and gas sector

00:43:10.020 Except trying to smother them

00:43:12.400 That's the point

00:43:13.240 I wanted to make

00:43:14.240 Is you know

00:43:15.100 It's not a case 0.97

00:43:15.980 Of being sucky babies 0.90

00:43:17.440 And oh our team 0.98

00:43:18.480 Didn't win

00:43:19.140 It's a case of

00:43:20.880 Carney has embraced

00:43:22.240 The wrong position

00:43:23.220 On energy development

00:43:25.060 And energy extraction

00:43:26.260 In a country of 0.92

00:43:27.800 Abundant energy resources

00:43:30.160 He's made the wrong

00:43:32.080 Decision

00:43:33.200 And that's what

00:43:34.240 Would enrage people

00:43:35.140 In western Canada

00:43:36.100 Yeah so

00:43:37.800 There's a real

00:43:39.460 Possibility

00:43:40.760 Of us facing

00:43:42.020 The worst

00:43:43.220 National unity crisis

00:43:44.500 Since the mid 90s

00:43:46.240 And in the referendum

00:43:47.700 There

00:43:48.080 You know

00:43:50.660 Look there's a lot

00:43:51.340 Of national pride

00:43:52.020 Last night

00:43:52.520 You know

00:43:53.300 You

00:43:54.120 Well you wouldn't see

00:43:55.280 The Oilers games

00:43:56.960 Being in Tel Aviv

00:43:57.960 But you know

00:43:59.660 There and in Montreal

00:44:01.200 People you know

00:44:02.220 In Toronto last night

00:44:03.300 Or Ottawa sorry

00:44:04.120 People just pounding

00:44:05.340 Out O Canada

00:44:06.080 At the start of

00:44:06.720 All these playoff games

00:44:07.740 Awesome

00:44:08.220 And it's great to see

00:44:09.220 But you know

00:44:10.960 Do you put that

00:44:11.680 In danger

00:44:12.260 If you stick

00:44:13.860 To the policies

00:44:14.600 That have made

00:44:15.560 People so angry

00:44:16.920 And you know

00:44:18.520 I visit Saskatchewan

00:44:19.560 A lot

00:44:19.820 It's worse there

00:44:20.700 Than Alberta

00:44:21.260 Yeah

00:44:22.960 Yeah

00:44:23.620 No people are

00:44:24.400 Pretty pissed

00:44:25.780 Well listen man

00:44:26.860 You guys

00:44:28.300 Chloe deserves a nap 1.00

00:44:29.800 So you're gonna

00:44:30.300 Go back and give

00:44:31.120 Let her crash 1.00

00:44:32.520 And you guys

00:44:33.560 Have a great evening

00:44:34.260 And I'm glad

00:44:34.720 You're enjoying

00:44:35.280 The outdoors

00:44:36.280 Enid and I

00:44:37.500 I think are gonna

00:44:38.180 Go for a walk

00:44:38.860 And I'm gonna

00:44:39.180 Take her to the 1.00

00:44:39.900 Carmel Souk Market

00:44:41.500 Where I think

00:44:42.040 You've been before

00:44:42.880 And it's pretty

00:44:43.740 Amazing to see

00:44:44.720 And maybe we'll

00:44:46.200 Get a bite to eat

00:44:46.820 There

00:44:47.060 Absolutely jealous

00:44:48.600 That you're there

00:44:49.120 It's gorgeous there

00:44:49.920 Okay

00:44:50.400 Thanks for this brother

00:44:51.420 So I will be

00:44:52.500 Talking to you

00:44:53.260 Obviously about

00:44:54.100 Tomorrow's events

00:44:54.940 Probably I'll be up

00:44:56.440 At five o'clock

00:44:57.540 In the morning

00:44:58.060 On Tuesday

00:44:58.620 To try and find out

00:44:59.420 What's going on

00:45:00.060 But feel free

00:45:01.240 To text me

00:45:01.880 If you hear

00:45:02.280 Anything interesting

00:45:03.080 Talk soon

00:45:04.440 Thanks a lot

00:45:05.100 One, two, three, four, five, six

00:45:07.940 Roadrunner, roadrunner

00:45:11.000 Going faster miles an hour

00:45:14.580 Go ride past the stopping shop

00:45:18.340 With the radio on

00:45:21.220 I'm in love with modern mornings

00:45:24.740 I'm in love with modern late at night

00:45:28.260 I drive along when it's late at night

00:45:58.240 I want to hear now

00:46:00.680 The modern sound

00:46:01.960 So I won't feel alone at night

00:46:05.280 I mean I'm in love with the modern world

00:46:08.560 I'm also in love with modern girls 1.00

00:46:11.960 Also I drive along with the radio on

00:46:15.060 I don't feel so alone

00:46:17.460 At the radio on

00:46:18.320 I'll be a runner

00:46:19.500 Which goes out

00:46:22.240 That's a modern sound

00:46:25.240 With the sound

00:46:25.920 With the AM

00:46:29.100 And

00:46:35.300 Say hello to the spirit of 1956

00:46:39.040 Patient in the bushes

00:46:41.200 Next to 57

00:46:42.740 The highway is your girlfriend 0.65

00:46:44.580 As you go by a cliff

00:46:46.060 Suburban trees

00:46:47.080 Suburban speed

00:46:48.020 And it smells like heaven

00:46:49.420 I say roadrunner once

00:46:51.280 Roadrunner twice

00:46:52.760 I'm in love with AM sound

00:46:55.140 And I'll be out all night

00:46:56.740 Roadrunner

00:46:58.020 That's right

00:46:59.420 Here we go

00:47:11.140 We'll be right back.

00:47:41.140 We'll be right back.

00:48:11.140 We'll be right back.

00:48:41.140 We'll be right back.

00:49:11.140 We'll be right back.

00:49:41.140 Bye-bye.

00:50:11.140 We'll be right back.

00:50:41.140 And do you think this will have any effect on shifting the polls here in the final days?

00:50:44.820 Well, before we talk about platforms, I just want to express condolences to the Filipino community in Vancouver.

00:50:53.840 I don't know if we're going to address that today.

00:50:56.080 I don't think anyone wants to politicize the issue.

00:50:58.260 I'm not doing this as a political statement.

00:50:59.880 Just absolutely horrendous what happened there.

00:51:01.960 Thank you for mentioning that, I should say, too.

00:51:04.720 I got a couple of texts about that in the last few minutes.

00:51:07.160 But also, NDP leader Jagmeet Singh, very shaken last night because he was campaigning there as well.

00:51:12.500 So just a terrible news for the community.

00:51:14.440 It is absolutely terrible.

00:51:15.900 And the police have not released a lot of details.

00:51:17.700 So there's really not much more to say except that it's a tragedy and everyone wants to understand what happened and feels very horrible.

00:51:23.200 But in any event, I think with regards to your question on the platforms, I think that the platforms really, when you look at the polls, I don't think it shifted much of anything.

00:51:36.040 I think that they came too late, really, to really make an impact.

00:51:39.540 And which is unfortunate because there's been speculation that the conservative platform had come out earlier.

00:51:44.120 There's a stashy curl, did a whole rundown on X about how that might have actually helped the conservatives.

00:51:49.540 Apparently, some liberal voters said that they wish they'd seen that platform before they voted in the last, you know, last at the advanced polls.

00:51:57.920 Then with regards to the liberal platform, I got to say, I was fairly disappointed in some of the big numbers there because the deficit and debt are just going to accumulate continuously.

00:52:08.880 And I, you know, worse than the other parties.

00:52:11.480 And with the accounting issues that Mark Carney's putting forward to try and split the two out,

00:52:17.020 I do worry about the impact that's going to have also on the GDP ratio.

00:52:21.560 And a lot of people are saying that.

00:52:23.080 But again, it came out too late to really have an impact on the campaign.

00:52:26.780 I think most people have already made up their mind.

00:52:28.900 And the platforms, you know, this is sort of like the death knell of platforms in election campaigns.

00:52:33.440 They just don't seem to matter anymore.

00:52:35.440 Well, Andy, I kind of got that impression, too, considering, you know,

00:52:38.760 a lot of people had already voted in advanced polling before they'd even seen the liberal or the conservative platform as well.

00:52:43.780 So I think they've made a calculation here that a lot of voters don't really care about that at the end of the day.

00:52:49.120 But, Carl, your takeaways from the conservative platform,

00:52:52.080 and do you think it's enough to kind of close the gap here with Mark Carney in the final days?

00:52:56.160 No, it's not.

00:52:58.120 It's not going to change much, if anything.

00:53:01.080 What's interesting in the platform is that, you know, one of the reasons they're behind in this contest

00:53:10.340 is because a lot of people are linking the conservatives to Trump,

00:53:14.540 and they're afraid that Pollyev is a Trump-lite or a mini-Trump.

00:53:18.660 And they're doubling down on Trump statements like a war on wokeism,

00:53:23.100 and, you know, going after post-cultural education and research and that sort of thing.

00:53:29.220 So, to me, I think the conservatives believe that this was not going to be a helpful document.

00:53:36.760 That's why they released it so late.

00:53:38.680 And, frankly, that goes for the other parties as well.

00:53:42.920 They released it very late.

00:53:45.020 The only party that released it early was the Bloc Québécois, which released it in March.

00:53:50.340 But everybody else released it over the Easter weekend and the Tories after the Easter weekend.

00:53:55.740 So, they don't believe it's a full document.

00:53:59.560 They believe it's a liability, and, therefore, it doesn't have any impact

00:54:04.160 in terms of positive response for the voters.

00:54:07.060 And, Warren, your thoughts on the conservative platform in general,

00:54:09.980 but also Carl mentioned something there, is that the kind of anti-woke stuff,

00:54:14.360 it wasn't in the original platform.

00:54:15.720 They did republish it kind of the day later.

00:54:17.520 Or, do you think that could have any sway in terms of, you know,

00:54:21.240 a lot of people have been having that comparison of Paulyov and Trump to a negative point.

00:54:26.600 Do you think that that could also hurt Pierre Paulyov here?

00:54:30.000 Yeah, they were hurt by the fact that they released their signature document

00:54:35.200 after voting had started.

00:54:37.160 You know, the advanced polling was underway, and millions of people participated.

00:54:41.680 And so, it was a mistake.

00:54:45.340 But it was, you know, to Carl's point, it was an opportunity for them to address

00:54:50.240 the allegation that they are Trumpist.

00:54:54.220 And, you know, they could have done that in the platform.

00:54:58.260 Like, the beauty of a platform document, back when I was working with the Liberals

00:55:02.500 and we were doing it, it's one of the few opportunities you get

00:55:06.180 to say exactly what you want reported, right?

00:55:09.740 That it's going to get reported, what you say.

00:55:12.720 And they could have said, you know, had a paragraph rejecting Trump

00:55:16.320 and being very critical of him and talking about their policies.

00:55:20.560 They didn't do that.

00:55:21.460 As Carl said, they doubled down on what makes them Trumpy.

00:55:25.460 So, it wasn't just a mistake to do it so late.

00:55:30.080 It was a huge opportunity lost.

00:55:32.300 And when you're behind, you know, that's unforgivable.

00:55:35.900 And just sticking with you for a second, Warren,

00:55:37.800 in a sense of they are behind.

00:55:40.640 We've seen the final week of campaigning.

00:55:42.520 I haven't seen any poll numbers to say that, you know,

00:55:44.500 Pierre Poliev could be in trouble in his own riding.

00:55:46.440 But apparently there are some internal poll numbers coming

00:55:48.560 from both the provincial and federal Conservatives

00:55:50.560 that have been leaked to the Globe and Mail and the Toronto Star this week.

00:55:54.140 So, just kind of similar conversation here

00:55:56.400 as they're trying to kind of tighten the lead here in the last moments.

00:55:59.820 Is there anything you've seen this week that shows that the Conservatives are in trouble?

00:56:03.580 And on the flip side, is there anything that shows you that the Conservatives

00:56:06.400 are, you know, leading the charge here heading into the voting day?

00:56:09.300 No, they're losing.

00:56:12.480 Like, every single poll shows them.

00:56:15.160 I mean, it could be as little as 2%.

00:56:16.920 It could be as much as 5%.

00:56:18.680 There's been a little bit of a narrowing.

00:56:20.700 But they're losing.

00:56:21.800 Because as we've talked about many times before,

00:56:24.080 they've got wasted vote on the prairies.

00:56:26.240 And so their national number gets distorted by that.

00:56:29.440 It gets artificially elevated by that.

00:56:31.580 They're losing the election campaign.

00:56:33.480 And I don't believe the stories.

00:56:36.300 And it was, you know, it was the Globe and Mail and the Star that reported it,

00:56:39.960 that Polyev was in trouble in his riding.

00:56:43.960 You know, they put that on the front page,

00:56:45.980 which is something you do if you think it is true,

00:56:49.440 or you hope they do that.

00:56:51.440 I don't believe it.

00:56:52.860 There is precedent for party leaders.

00:56:55.720 You know, their party's doing well,

00:56:57.300 and then they lose their seat.

00:56:58.760 Barassa, Bonnie Crombie recently in Ontario.

00:57:02.340 Like, it does happen.

00:57:04.520 But I think that, you know,

00:57:06.820 I think Polyev should be okay.

00:57:08.320 He's held that riding.

00:57:09.260 He's owned that riding for a generation.

00:57:11.600 So I don't see a surprise there.

00:57:14.160 But nor do I see a prize in the outcome.

00:57:16.520 You know, I think that the Conservative Party

00:57:18.040 has lost a 30-point lead that they had at the start of the year.

00:57:21.800 And I think Monday night may be Mr. Polyev's last night in politics.

00:57:27.120 And I should say, you know,

00:57:28.260 quote-unquote in trouble is he's still leading by about three,

00:57:30.800 I believe the polls were.

00:57:32.340 So that's in trouble, I suppose,

00:57:34.680 but still leading in the polls, I guess.

00:57:37.060 Tasha, when it comes to the Conservatives this week,

00:57:39.480 I guess, what do you take away of their final week of campaigning,

00:57:41.760 where they were heading,

00:57:42.980 this story about Polyev possibly in trouble in his own riding?

00:57:45.860 Do you think they've found some momentum here,

00:57:48.400 or do you think they're still in trouble?

00:57:50.660 No, they're still in trouble.

00:57:51.740 I spoke to people in their riding after I saw that story,

00:57:56.100 and they did confirm that there's been issues stemming, interestingly enough,

00:58:01.080 from holdovers from the convoy and a certain feeling of people in the riding

00:58:06.220 that Polyev didn't stand up for Ottawa in that situation, including his riding.

00:58:11.080 And also public servants,

00:58:13.420 because we do know that he wants to trim the federal public service,

00:58:17.940 though the platform document kind of toned that down a little bit, interestingly enough.

00:58:22.180 But there's a sense that, you know, he's not the public servant's friend.

00:58:25.760 And so those issues are contributing to that in his own riding.

00:58:30.300 Whether he'll lose it or not, I don't know if it's at that stage,

00:58:33.040 but definitely he's not, it's not like in the, you know, great, huge margin of victory.

00:58:39.820 With regards to the rest of it,

00:58:41.380 I've also heard that internal polls show the Conservatives are going to lose,

00:58:44.880 that they're hoping to hold over both to a minority,

00:58:47.320 and that that's sort of like almost a best-case scenario at this point.

00:58:51.340 And, you know, when, I'm not surprised,

00:58:55.880 because they didn't change the channel early enough in this campaign.

00:58:59.140 And this week was another example of that.

00:59:01.080 You know, we talked about the platform and that it didn't, you know,

00:59:04.980 Warren said it didn't attack Trump.

00:59:06.240 I don't even know if attacking Trump is the thing.

00:59:08.820 It's more that the Conservatives double down.

00:59:12.800 They double down their base and all the language in the platform.

00:59:15.380 And this week as well, they went, they, in fact, they went to Quebec City,

00:59:19.140 he was in Quebec City at one point, which is supposed to be a core conservative,

00:59:22.640 you know, stronghold in Quebec.

00:59:24.980 It shows that they're just, they're trying to save the furniture, as they say,

00:59:28.520 and hold the base, which is substantial.

00:59:31.180 The base is substantial, but it's not enough to win an election.

00:59:33.480 It's not enough to win a majority or even a minority government.

00:59:36.060 At this point, Sandy P has collapsed.

00:59:37.580 So, yeah, I don't know if it'll be,

00:59:40.220 Pierre Paulyev's last night in politics,

00:59:41.820 but I do think that they're facing a loss.

00:59:44.800 Yeah, if you were to tell the Conservatives before the election campaign

00:59:47.520 or last year that they were going to pull near 40%,

00:59:49.760 I'm sure they would love that,

00:59:51.560 but it's just interesting to see how the other kind of votes

00:59:53.620 have kind of squared out here.

00:59:55.280 Carl, has Pierre Paulyev been able to kind of tighten, I guess,

00:59:58.120 the race here in the final weeks,

00:59:59.900 or is this kind of, I don't know,

01:00:01.600 is the writing on the wall come Monday?

01:00:04.360 Well, I mean, Andrew Scheer won the popular vote

01:00:07.820 and lost the election.

01:00:09.200 Aaron O'Toole won the popular vote and lost the election.

01:00:11.440 And even if Pierre Paulyev has tightened the race,

01:00:14.000 he's behind, he's trailing.

01:00:15.420 So there's no scenario in which, you know,

01:00:18.500 if he's in that kind of situation,

01:00:20.460 he can pull it off and become prime minister on Monday.

01:00:23.760 So because of that, you know,

01:00:25.940 I wish that he loses his writing.

01:00:28.220 It will make things easier

01:00:29.180 because then he'll have to resign and go.

01:00:32.000 If he keeps his writing,

01:00:33.800 it makes things a little more complicated.

01:00:36.160 And what's interesting, what's happened last week is,

01:00:39.360 you know, and we've seen it over the campaign,

01:00:41.560 and there is a lot of discontent in the Conservative Party.

01:00:45.520 There's been a lot of friendly fire.

01:00:47.200 And this story that was leaked to both the Star and the Globe

01:00:51.480 feeds that narrative that the Conservative is not as united as it should be.

01:00:58.040 We've seen certainly friendly fire from the Doug Ford camp,

01:01:02.180 and Curiton Icke, a former Harper strategist,

01:01:04.880 high-ranked official,

01:01:06.540 and Doug Ford himself and some ministers,

01:01:09.180 you know, writing letters about,

01:01:10.380 oh, we need to save this program,

01:01:11.660 you know, about daycare, for instance.

01:01:14.420 Paul Calendra, a former Harper minister,

01:01:16.060 wrote that this week.

01:01:17.240 And we saw Tim Houston in Nova Scotia also.

01:01:20.180 Those are Conservative guys.

01:01:23.060 You know, they should be supporting Paul Yevon.

01:01:25.260 They should at least be quiet about not supporting them.

01:01:29.220 But that's not what they've done.

01:01:30.540 And that's one of the reasons why

01:01:32.060 Pierre Paul Yevon is going to lose tomorrow.

01:01:33.980 Yeah, definitely not the headlines that they wanted,

01:01:36.980 I guess, in the final week of the campaign.

01:01:39.260 And I suppose, you know,

01:01:40.280 some things that could hurt Mark Carney,

01:01:41.980 you know, we had some criticism of his platform last weekend as well.

01:01:45.500 But Warren, you know,

01:01:46.460 this whole question around Donald Trump,

01:01:49.260 did he bring up the 51st state rhetoric,

01:01:51.320 it's kind of interesting in some ways.

01:01:53.080 I don't know if that really sways the vote for many people,

01:01:55.920 but I thought this was something like this,

01:01:58.360 the platform that could potentially hurt the Liberals.

01:02:00.800 Have you seen, I guess, any potential

01:02:04.180 that this could be hurtful for the Conservatives,

01:02:06.180 or for the Liberals here in the final week of the campaign?

01:02:09.380 The platform issue?

01:02:11.000 Platform or the 51st state comments.

01:02:13.300 He was pushed on that numerous times this week.

01:02:16.020 Sorry, no, yeah, sorry, I misunderstood.

01:02:18.520 Yeah, no, this campaign's about Donald Trump.

01:02:21.420 You know, it's been helpful to the Liberals

01:02:24.420 that Justin Trudeau left.

01:02:26.920 It's been helpful to them, Mark Carney's demeanor.

01:02:30.800 And his experience, you know,

01:02:34.360 there's been helpful things.

01:02:35.600 But the elephant in the room is Donald Trump.

01:02:39.040 That changed everything in a way

01:02:40.580 that's never happened in kidding politics before.

01:02:43.440 Like, you know, platforms, speeches, fundraising.

01:02:46.560 Those are all the normal things.

01:02:48.460 The thing that's not normal

01:02:49.960 is the president of the United States,

01:02:52.240 the most powerful person on earth,

01:02:54.040 saying that he wants to take us over.

01:02:55.680 And that's what's driven the vote.

01:02:58.300 That's what made the advance vote so high, I guarantee.

01:03:02.160 You know, that's what's got people anxious

01:03:04.440 and angry and upset and feeling betrayed.

01:03:07.700 That is what this election is about, is Donald Trump.

01:03:11.140 And all the other issues, quite frankly,

01:03:13.100 pale into insignificance.

01:03:15.460 And Tasha, as we heard this week from Donald Trump,

01:03:18.040 he actually took a couple of weeks off

01:03:19.540 from haranguing Canada a little bit here.

01:03:22.040 And as I mentioned, Mark Carney was kind of asked

01:03:24.060 about this 51st state rhetoric numerous times

01:03:26.220 in his original phone call back in March as well.

01:03:29.600 And, you know, it seems like there's, you know,

01:03:31.580 he said that he didn't bring it up,

01:03:32.960 but he said he respected Canadian sovereignty.

01:03:34.780 I'm not sure what to make of this.

01:03:36.520 There were a lot of people that saying

01:03:37.420 this could hurt Carney, I suppose.

01:03:38.940 What did you make of this entire situation?

01:03:41.480 Well, it's kind of like the platform.

01:03:43.200 It should hurt him a bit

01:03:44.340 because he didn't represent the truth.

01:03:46.300 He basically lied.

01:03:47.140 He said he respected Canadian sovereignty.

01:03:50.200 I'm sorry, if someone says it goes on a tear

01:03:52.420 about being the 51st state, that is not.

01:03:55.060 You cannot characterize that

01:03:56.440 as respecting Canadian sovereignty.

01:03:59.100 So it was a mischaracterization of that call.

01:04:03.460 You know, it goes not just to, you know,

01:04:06.540 the fact that Trump is still looking to gobble this up,

01:04:10.760 but it also goes to his political,

01:04:13.460 Carney's political instincts.

01:04:15.180 And, you know, what he was trying to do

01:04:19.100 by characterizing the call in the first place

01:04:20.760 as positive was to sort of show, I think,

01:04:22.960 that he was the guy to stand up to Trump.

01:04:24.500 To Warren's point, Trump's the issue.

01:04:26.660 But Trump's the issue, not just in the sense of,

01:04:28.980 oh, we're scared of Trump.

01:04:30.220 It's that we're scared of having,

01:04:31.440 some people are scared of having a leader

01:04:33.020 whom they associate with Trump

01:04:34.880 because the Canadians really despise Trump.

01:04:37.620 Polling shows that.

01:04:38.200 The people, you know, 75% of us

01:04:40.380 really don't like Trump.

01:04:42.040 But there are some people who do like him,

01:04:44.660 and those people are,

01:04:46.900 the majority of those people

01:04:48.060 are found in the Conservative Party.

01:04:50.600 And that's the problem for Polly

01:04:51.980 from the beginning,

01:04:52.920 is fighting Trump while keeping his base.

01:04:55.580 And that's why they didn't pivot.

01:04:56.840 That's why they didn't, you know,

01:04:57.960 move to that until much later in the campaign

01:05:00.220 when he started saying, you know,

01:05:01.360 Trump, you know,

01:05:02.460 hands off our country kind of thing.

01:05:03.920 It's that balancing act he had to do

01:05:07.140 that torched the Conservative campaign

01:05:09.040 and that made Liberal voters go,

01:05:11.020 you know, I just don't feel comfortable with that.

01:05:13.660 So Carney's comment, again,

01:05:15.760 it came in the last week.

01:05:17.540 A lot of people have already voted

01:05:18.780 and made up their minds.

01:05:19.720 I don't think it's going to change much.

01:05:21.720 And Carla, same kind of question, I suppose.

01:05:23.820 Just, you know,

01:05:24.340 it's something that could have hurt Carney as well.

01:05:26.140 But every time Trump comes up in the campaign,

01:05:27.660 it seems to also help the Liberals here.

01:05:29.700 Is there a chance that this could have,

01:05:31.360 you know, his characterization of this could hurt him

01:05:34.120 come voting day on Monday?

01:05:37.520 I don't think so.

01:05:38.680 I mean, although it does speak to his character

01:05:40.660 and, you know, he's done a few things like that,

01:05:42.980 you know, about Brookfield, for instance, his company

01:05:45.140 and the headquarters and tax havens

01:05:48.600 and so on and so forth.

01:05:49.600 I don't think it's hurting him

01:05:50.520 because, as Warren said,

01:05:51.820 when Trump comes into the campaign,

01:05:53.520 it helps the Liberals.

01:05:54.640 And to Dasher's point, I mean,

01:05:58.080 if you're not able to pivot on Trump

01:06:00.540 because you're afraid Maxim Bernier

01:06:02.080 is going to eat your lunch,

01:06:03.460 where do you go?

01:06:05.080 And that's been the problem

01:06:06.140 for the Conservatives, right?

01:06:07.700 So the thing, though,

01:06:10.100 I think Mark Carney,

01:06:10.940 when he was doing this,

01:06:13.380 mischaracterizing the call

01:06:15.000 and what Trump had said,

01:06:16.560 I think he was playing the long game.

01:06:18.040 I think he was playing the negotiation

01:06:20.060 at, you know,

01:06:21.540 game with Donald Trump.

01:06:23.380 He was not really thinking about the election.

01:06:25.120 And I'm told he was really angry

01:06:27.580 when the story first leaked out

01:06:28.940 with Radio-Canada

01:06:29.700 that he had, in fact,

01:06:31.340 brought up the 51st state.

01:06:33.340 And so, in that sense,

01:06:35.820 I think Carney is already looking ahead

01:06:38.540 after the election,

01:06:40.320 but it's coming so late

01:06:42.200 and it's helping the Liberals

01:06:43.300 no matter what.

01:06:44.140 And I wanted to quickly

01:06:46.720 just squeeze in some questions

01:06:47.940 about our NDP friends here.

01:06:49.440 And, Carl, obviously apt,

01:06:50.660 I want to start with you here

01:06:51.660 because I did notice

01:06:52.860 a little bit of a shift in tone

01:06:53.900 this week from NDP leader

01:06:54.860 Jagmeet Singh,

01:06:55.560 kind of, in some ways,

01:06:56.720 kind of going for the jugular

01:06:57.720 on Mark Carney,

01:06:58.500 saying, you know,

01:06:59.480 don't trust the Liberal,

01:07:01.640 even though he trusted Liberals

01:07:03.600 to have a supply

01:07:04.600 and confidence agreement.

01:07:05.880 But, no,

01:07:06.800 kind of going after Carney

01:07:07.620 as the frontrunner,

01:07:08.760 the messaging kind of being

01:07:09.940 that you can't trust

01:07:10.760 the Liberal leadership,

01:07:11.600 we would be a powerful opposition,

01:07:13.020 we're not talking about governing.

01:07:14.900 I just thought it was

01:07:15.860 a little bit of a change.

01:07:16.640 I don't know if you saw

01:07:17.340 a change in messaging,

01:07:18.260 but what are you seeing

01:07:19.540 from the NDP campaign right now

01:07:20.800 as it closes out

01:07:21.520 with possibly, you know,

01:07:22.800 Jagmeet Singh losing his seat

01:07:24.060 is a possibility

01:07:24.900 coming up tomorrow.

01:07:26.520 Yeah, there was a shift

01:07:27.640 in messaging

01:07:28.140 and the shift has happened

01:07:29.300 through the course

01:07:29.980 of the campaign,

01:07:30.520 but where was this

01:07:32.800 during the debates?

01:07:33.760 Like, he should have gone

01:07:34.580 after Carney during the debate.

01:07:35.920 He was not.

01:07:37.060 He was going after Paul Yev.

01:07:38.640 Contraproductive,

01:07:39.120 in my opinion.

01:07:41.080 Jagmeet Singh is,

01:07:42.080 and, you know,

01:07:43.340 François Blanchet

01:07:44.040 from the Bloc 0.83

01:07:44.480 has the similar message,

01:07:45.960 which is,

01:07:46.840 the Liberals are going to win,

01:07:48.060 we need to keep them

01:07:49.200 to a minority.

01:07:50.340 And it's not bad.

01:07:52.460 Now, some people say

01:07:53.580 you should have started

01:07:54.340 the campaign saying that.

01:07:56.340 There's a problem with that.

01:07:57.300 Like, if you start a campaign

01:07:58.380 doing that,

01:07:59.140 you're admitting defeat.

01:08:00.760 So why are you even running?

01:08:02.720 But, the shift in the middle

01:08:04.780 could have happened

01:08:06.200 a little sooner

01:08:06.800 and certainly in the debate,

01:08:08.620 Singh could have gone

01:08:09.240 after Carney more

01:08:10.600 and less about Paul Yev

01:08:11.820 because when you go

01:08:12.900 after Paul Yev,

01:08:13.820 you make him scary,

01:08:15.260 you know,

01:08:15.840 you drive votes

01:08:17.040 to the Liberals.

01:08:17.880 That's what Singh did.

01:08:19.440 That's what I was wondering,

01:08:20.380 too,

01:08:20.500 is where was this

01:08:21.020 during the debate?

01:08:21.580 Could this have started

01:08:22.220 a little bit earlier?

01:08:23.040 Does it change anything?

01:08:23.960 I'm not sure,

01:08:24.660 but Warren,

01:08:25.780 what do you think,

01:08:26.360 I guess,

01:08:26.860 the goal is for the NDP?

01:08:28.160 Is it just,

01:08:28.760 as we mentioned before,

01:08:29.620 or is it just saving

01:08:30.220 the furniture coming up

01:08:31.060 on Monday?

01:08:31.580 How do you think

01:08:32.060 they're going to perform?

01:08:33.980 They're done.

01:08:35.020 It's over.

01:08:36.060 Like, if they're

01:08:36.700 at six percentage points,

01:08:38.280 they're down to winning,

01:08:40.180 I don't know,

01:08:40.760 one, two, three seats.

01:08:42.820 You know,

01:08:43.140 they're going to lose

01:08:43.680 party status.

01:08:45.220 Their leader is going

01:08:46.040 to lose his seat

01:08:47.120 in British Columbia

01:08:48.120 and they are going

01:08:49.500 to cease to exist

01:08:50.480 as a force

01:08:51.260 in Canadian politics

01:08:52.880 for a while yet.

01:08:55.260 And I think the reason

01:08:56.220 for that is

01:08:57.700 Jagmeet Singh

01:08:58.800 got too close

01:09:00.000 to Justin Trudeau

01:09:01.540 and the controversy

01:09:03.560 and the unpopularity

01:09:05.160 of Justin Trudeau

01:09:05.840 got into him.

01:09:07.500 I think it was

01:09:08.960 a lot of bad strategy,

01:09:10.240 as Carl just pointed out.

01:09:12.020 During the debate,

01:09:12.880 I could not believe

01:09:13.740 my eyes

01:09:14.340 that Jagmeet Singh

01:09:15.240 was going after

01:09:16.280 Pierre Pollyet.

01:09:17.900 It's like,

01:09:18.400 who advised you

01:09:19.900 to do that?

01:09:21.220 What, like,

01:09:22.000 that's the threat.

01:09:23.120 The threat is Mark Carney.

01:09:25.280 Why weren't you

01:09:26.200 going after him?

01:09:26.920 Like, it's just

01:09:27.380 a whole number of things

01:09:28.460 the NDP have done

01:09:29.580 and they're about

01:09:30.460 to pay a very heavy

01:09:31.400 price tomorrow night

01:09:32.440 and, you know,

01:09:34.320 it's going to take them

01:09:35.740 some considerable time

01:09:36.800 to recover.

01:09:37.780 Well, interesting too,

01:09:39.000 Tasha,

01:09:39.240 because the collapse

01:09:39.940 of the NDP

01:09:40.440 has obviously hurt

01:09:41.280 the Conservatives

01:09:41.940 in ways that they

01:09:42.600 probably wouldn't

01:09:43.100 have imagined here,

01:09:44.000 but do you see

01:09:45.140 the NDP getting

01:09:45.940 some kind of jolt

01:09:46.920 or anything

01:09:47.400 from the final week

01:09:48.100 of campaigning here

01:09:48.800 with Jagmeet Singh

01:09:49.800 trying to position himself

01:09:50.940 as the best

01:09:51.860 opposition leader?

01:09:53.380 Where?

01:09:54.100 There's no jolt.

01:09:54.940 I mean,

01:09:55.300 it's just really,

01:09:56.280 the NDP's story here

01:09:58.040 is this arc of sadness.

01:09:59.560 They had an opportunity

01:10:00.420 and Singh even said it

01:10:01.660 this week.

01:10:02.460 They could have,

01:10:03.060 he was asking,

01:10:04.060 you know,

01:10:04.140 why didn't you bring

01:10:04.600 the government down?

01:10:05.400 Do you regret not

01:10:06.160 bringing the government

01:10:06.760 down in the fall?

01:10:07.960 And he basically said

01:10:08.980 that he's prevented

01:10:10.180 a conservative government.

01:10:11.460 It was like, you know,

01:10:11.920 throwing himself

01:10:12.500 on the fire

01:10:13.140 kind of thing

01:10:13.760 and he's part of the issue.

01:10:14.180 It's accomplished.

01:10:15.680 Yeah, well, exactly.

01:10:17.020 And then the debate,

01:10:18.120 I agree.

01:10:18.780 I mean,

01:10:18.880 it was to the point

01:10:19.380 where people were saying,

01:10:20.220 does he have a deal

01:10:20.780 with Carney?

01:10:21.520 Like, people were on X,

01:10:22.860 you know,

01:10:23.020 the trolls were all over this

01:10:24.320 going, look at him,

01:10:25.360 he's attacking Polyev

01:10:26.320 and every time Polyev spoke,

01:10:28.040 he would heckle

01:10:28.700 and interrupt

01:10:29.300 and I was trying

01:10:30.600 to figure this out too

01:10:31.440 and I was thinking,

01:10:31.880 what is that?

01:10:32.860 Is he just trying

01:10:33.640 to look like

01:10:35.120 a strong guy

01:10:36.680 or something

01:10:37.220 or was he trying

01:10:37.960 to get Polyev

01:10:38.660 to blow up on stage?

01:10:40.100 That was maybe his thing,

01:10:41.000 was trying to needle him enough

01:10:42.120 that he lost his cool

01:10:43.020 but that didn't happen. 1.00

01:10:44.300 But it was stupid 1.00

01:10:45.380 and Polyev though 1.00

01:10:46.360 took the bait

01:10:46.940 in the French debate.

01:10:47.780 That I didn't get either.

01:10:49.360 He ignored him

01:10:49.800 in the English

01:10:50.260 but in the French debate

01:10:51.260 he took the bait

01:10:52.040 and instead of debating Carney

01:10:53.940 debated Jagmeet Singh

01:10:55.280 and again,

01:10:56.540 the Conservatives

01:10:57.800 also made that mistake.

01:10:59.320 They've denigrated the NDP

01:11:00.380 for the last three years

01:11:01.620 as propping up the government. 0.97

01:11:02.960 They're terrible.

01:11:03.700 Well, now guess what? 0.54

01:11:05.040 The NDP's gone

01:11:05.960 and the vote split

01:11:07.280 you need isn't there

01:11:08.120 and that's why

01:11:09.080 the Conservatives,

01:11:09.800 big reason they're going to lose

01:11:10.860 is because

01:11:11.700 the NDP vote

01:11:12.720 has been crushed.

01:11:13.960 Yeah, I get the sense

01:11:15.580 it might be a little personal

01:11:16.440 between Singh and Polyev

01:11:17.500 but we'll leave it there

01:11:18.860 for this weekend.

01:11:20.140 Carl, Warren and Tasha

01:11:20.940 thanks so much

01:11:21.540 for your time.

01:11:22.760 Let's hope for everybody

01:11:23.920 comes out

01:11:24.580 and has a great

01:11:25.560 voting day on Monday.

01:11:27.120 Yeah, go vote.

01:11:28.320 Go vote.

01:11:29.580 Participation trophies

01:11:30.380 for everybody.

01:11:31.360 Thanks guys.

01:11:31.900 That is Carl Belanger

01:11:32.620 president of Traction Strategies.

01:11:34.340 Warren Kinsella

01:11:34.820 is a strategist

01:11:35.540 and Postmedia columnist.

01:11:36.480 You can read his latest

01:11:37.280 in the Toronto Sun.

01:11:38.480 Tasha Caridin

01:11:39.180 is a political columnist

01:11:40.120 for the National Post.

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kinsellacast - April 27, 2025

KINSELLACAST 359： From Israel on Election Eve - with E., Lilley, Kheriddin, Belanger, plus great Jewish punk rock!

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