kinsellacast - April 27, 2025


KINSELLACAST 359: From Israel on Election Eve - with E., Lilley, Kheriddin, Belanger, plus great Jewish punk rock!


Episode Stats

Length

1 hour and 14 minutes

Words per Minute

161.3654

Word Count

11,949

Sentence Count

720

Misogynist Sentences

16

Hate Speech Sentences

29


Summary

10 observations about the Canadian election campaign, from a distance in Tel Aviv, Israel. 1. Why did the Conservatives wait until after voting had started to release their platform? 2. Why was it so bad? 3. What was the worst thing about the campaign? 4. How did the Liberals do?


Transcript

00:00:00.000 It's the Kinsella Cast, starring Warren Kinsella.
00:00:08.480 Hey, what's going on? Welcome to the Kinsella Cast, and welcome to the Kinsella Cast from Israel.
00:00:34.240 I am in Tel Aviv right now. I'm looking down at the beach, and there's people down there playing volleyball, okay?
00:00:42.840 Right now, it is 10.20 Tel Aviv time in Israel, and they're playing volleyball. It's pretty cool.
00:00:51.900 E is with me. She just arrived this afternoon. I don't think she's slept in several days. Have you slept?
00:00:57.840 A little bit, but I'm pretty good.
00:00:59.480 She's doing all right.
00:01:00.420 I'm a professional traveler.
00:01:01.180 She is a professional traveler. We just went out to a nice Israeli restaurant and had some really good food and went for a walk.
00:01:08.720 And so I'm glad she's here. She's here for a week to have some fun and discover Israeli cuisine and chefs and all that.
00:01:18.380 And I'm here because of our documentary. We're shooting a documentary called The Campaign.
00:01:23.200 It's an international film crew that's doing it, and it's about my next book.
00:01:30.800 It's about what I've been writing about for the past two years.
00:01:34.320 And I think that, you know, I think that you're going to like it.
00:01:39.340 I think you're going to find it interesting, but I'm biased.
00:01:42.160 So that's why I'm here, but I am aware that there is, I think, an election campaign taking place in Canada.
00:01:53.460 In fact, I was talking to a former prime minister just this afternoon, and we were having a good laugh and talking about all kinds of fun stuff.
00:02:02.020 And he's been, Jean Chrétien, he's been having fun campaigning for the liberals and from Quebec City to out west and people lining up to have selfies with him.
00:02:14.780 And it's been wonderful to see him back and doing that.
00:02:19.660 But anyway, I'm in Israel, and so what I wanted to do is give 10 observations about the campaign.
00:02:24.980 I don't think he has seen these or heard these.
00:02:27.640 So what I'm going to do is I'm going to make my observation about the campaign.
00:02:33.120 Oh, and by the way, we've got Brian Lilley this week.
00:02:35.100 We've got Tasha Carradine, Carl Belanger, and then I've got some good Jewish punk rock.
00:02:40.740 I've got Jonathan Richman from Boston with Roadrunner, his Modern Lovers.
00:02:47.160 I've got The Clash.
00:02:48.640 I'm so bored with the USA for obvious reasons.
00:02:51.560 Mick Jones and Joe Strummer, both of Jewish descent.
00:02:54.300 And then I've got the Ramones and Joey, Tommy, Marky, all of Jewish descent.
00:03:04.460 So punk rock, like punk rock wouldn't exist without the Jewish people.
00:03:09.400 So in Israel, it seemed like it would fit.
00:03:12.360 So a good little show, not too long, but I wanted to get it out to you guys.
00:03:17.820 And so I can like go to bed.
00:03:19.660 I think you want to go to bed too, don't you?
00:03:21.300 I do.
00:03:21.780 She does.
00:03:22.180 Okay, so in Israel, watching things from a great distance.
00:03:26.640 And I filed my final column for post-media during the campaign.
00:03:32.300 And so perhaps you've seen that.
00:03:34.200 But in the meantime, I wanted to give 10 observations about the 2025 election campaign.
00:03:40.160 They're in no particular order.
00:03:41.920 And they may not even be particularly important.
00:03:44.740 They're just things that occurred to me.
00:03:46.300 So I'm going to go through them, and then I'm going to pause.
00:03:48.820 And then E is going to say, well, of course, I agree with you, Warren.
00:03:53.180 That's brilliant.
00:03:54.040 False.
00:03:54.600 Or she's going to say nothing at all.
00:03:56.320 Okay?
00:03:56.520 So, number one, after every campaign concludes, journalists always say something along the lines of, that was the ugliest election campaign ever.
00:04:07.740 Oh, boy.
00:04:08.640 Except, at least this year, I don't think it's true.
00:04:13.880 There were stupid old men flipping the bird at cameras.
00:04:17.560 Yes.
00:04:18.320 And people yelling at each other outside rallies and being ridiculous.
00:04:22.600 And candidates and staff people saying awful things online.
00:04:25.980 But honestly, it didn't seem all that nasty to me.
00:04:29.860 It seemed actually quite average.
00:04:31.560 What do you think?
00:04:32.460 I thought it was boring.
00:04:33.680 There you go.
00:04:34.520 I was right.
00:04:35.800 If it's boring, it wasn't that nasty.
00:04:38.060 I think it was ineffectual, perhaps, is a better word.
00:04:42.000 That's a good scrabble word.
00:04:43.440 It is a great scrabble word.
00:04:44.140 Ineffectual.
00:04:44.540 But ineffectual.
00:04:45.600 Okay.
00:04:45.980 Number two, why did the conservatives wait until after voting had started the advanced polls to release their platform?
00:04:56.680 And after they released it, they amended it.
00:05:00.700 It looked really amateurish to me.
00:05:03.820 It looked rookie.
00:05:05.600 If your platform is an afterthought, boys and girls, then don't bother.
00:05:09.700 Don't waste our time.
00:05:11.400 What do you think?
00:05:11.980 I thought it was conceited.
00:05:13.500 Conceded?
00:05:14.180 Why conceited?
00:05:14.860 Well, I think they thought, much like polling was showing much earlier on, that they were okay.
00:05:20.300 So they didn't really need to do some of the classic campaign strategies.
00:05:23.820 It was cocky.
00:05:27.660 Yeah, it was cocky.
00:05:29.060 And I think they've booged it.
00:05:31.360 I think you're right.
00:05:32.520 I think you're right.
00:05:33.340 Number three, I did a video when I was in Jaffa with Adrian Batra and Brian Lilley.
00:05:40.820 I've never done a video with Adrian and Brian in Jaffa before.
00:05:45.380 Actually, I've never done any.
00:05:46.120 It's Jaffa.
00:05:46.960 Jaffa?
00:05:47.540 Jaffa.
00:05:48.020 Okay, all right.
00:05:49.040 Jaffa.
00:05:50.100 And Brian did something I've never seen him do before.
00:05:52.880 He repeatedly and deliberately called Mark Carney a liar.
00:05:56.260 I asked him about it on this week's show.
00:05:59.040 And editors, as Brian himself pointed out, don't like it when you use that word.
00:06:04.880 Like, you can get sued for that word.
00:06:06.620 But Brian said Carney was a liar over and over.
00:06:10.900 Is he?
00:06:12.860 My take is this.
00:06:14.200 I think the liberal leader hasn't learned one of the Konsellian rules.
00:06:18.680 The truth is like water.
00:06:19.740 It always finds its way out.
00:06:21.240 Like, I just didn't understand when, if Trump has a phone call with you and he says he's still interested in taking over your country,
00:06:29.120 I think he should probably let people know about that.
00:06:32.860 I mean, I don't know if that's a lie or a mistake.
00:06:35.260 What do you think?
00:06:35.740 Um, I mean, I think it's, I mean, I think he beefed it real good on that.
00:06:41.400 Yeah, he beefed it.
00:06:42.180 To use some pretty common terminology.
00:06:44.060 I love that.
00:06:44.600 I mean, I think it.
00:06:45.120 Is that like an Ontario thing?
00:06:46.740 Beefed it?
00:06:47.220 Beefed it?
00:06:47.520 No.
00:06:48.480 I've heard it in many of my travels.
00:06:50.360 It's a, it's an oldie but a goodie.
00:06:52.520 Um, I don't necessarily think it was a mistake because I don't, I think he's too, well, potentially too smart to have made a mistake of simply an omission.
00:07:01.360 So was it a cover up?
00:07:02.860 Was it a cover up?
00:07:03.720 Um, again, I don't, that's not necessarily where my brain went on that either.
00:07:08.380 I think I can concur that it was maybe a bit sloppy.
00:07:12.960 Sloppy, yeah.
00:07:13.640 But it's hard to say.
00:07:16.180 I don't necessarily think it was a lie unless I'm missing something.
00:07:20.280 Was he outright asked?
00:07:21.620 Did he have a telephone number?
00:07:22.900 It came out and it was just, I don't know, on the final weekend, having something, it's like, hey Mark, that's kind of big.
00:07:29.320 That's big.
00:07:30.140 Maybe they were just talking about golf.
00:07:31.660 Yeah, could be.
00:07:32.760 We can't know.
00:07:33.480 Okay, well let's stay on Carney.
00:07:34.860 Number four.
00:07:35.980 I really do feel, and you know what my feeling is on this, that his position on Israel and anti-Semitism is pretty shameful.
00:07:44.880 I like, throughout the campaign, every single day, I kept hoping that this would be the day that he would say something meaningful or adopt the position that every single previous liberal leader, including the one I was speaking to today, with the exception of Justin Trudeau, has had.
00:08:02.620 Namely, number one, Israel is our ally.
00:08:05.400 Number two, anti-Semitism is bad.
00:08:08.120 Number three, I will always use the legislative tools at my disposal to stamp out hate.
00:08:14.660 And like, Carney didn't do that, and I didn't understand why not, and I thought it was shameful and wrong.
00:08:22.060 And it, you know, things like that help to make things worse.
00:08:25.700 What do you think?
00:08:26.160 I agree that it was, it is shameful.
00:08:30.680 I think he's been a bit banal on the topic since he's been fluted with the questions about it.
00:08:37.260 But, um, I think I had mentioned this to you perhaps last week, is that my feeling was that if we were to catch him on a hot mic in discussion, he would have very much the same sentiments about it that...
00:08:50.840 So why not say it, you know?
00:08:52.260 ...that Prime Minister Kretzian has had, and even Polyev has had.
00:08:56.560 Um, and I think in that same conversation, I suggested that it's particularly, it could be particularly strategic, that he is trying to induce some of the, um, suspected NDP votes that might come his way, should he not.
00:09:14.560 But that makes it even more shameful.
00:09:15.560 And he had that vote.
00:09:16.560 I just don't get it.
00:09:17.560 Like, you know, Pierre Polyev, I'm not a big fan, as you know, I never have been.
00:09:21.560 But his position on Israel and anti-Semitism was the right one.
00:09:25.560 You know, anti-Semitism, like Islamophobia, is bad.
00:09:28.560 It's bad.
00:09:29.560 It very much is the right one.
00:09:30.560 And it's one that is important to a lot of people, us included.
00:09:34.560 Um, but, you know, we have discussions about a multitude of things politically related, culturally related, world events.
00:09:44.560 Most Canadians aren't necessarily, this isn't the topic of conversation for them day in and day out.
00:09:49.560 And perhaps he is leaving that as a somewhat side issue, a bit in the peripheral, while he talks about more prevalent things to the kind of bigger scope of Canadians.
00:10:00.560 Okay, let's talk about something that you have strong feelings about as well.
00:10:05.560 Number six.
00:10:06.560 So, Jenny Byrne, you know who Jenny Byrne is.
00:10:08.560 Jenny Byrne ran the conservative campaign and has been the strategic mind for Pierre Polyev for many years.
00:10:17.560 And she can handle herself.
00:10:18.560 Like, she's a tough cookie.
00:10:20.560 But I really think a lot of people who should have known better have been exceptionally shitty to her.
00:10:28.560 Saying so, you know, I won't bore you with the details, but they've really taken a lot of shots at her, but not at the liberal, the man running the liberal campaign.
00:10:36.560 And so, is there a lot of sexism in the mix?
00:10:40.560 Absolutely.
00:10:41.560 Would a guy get that kind of treatment?
00:10:44.560 Well, no, they haven't, right?
00:10:46.560 You know, they get, oh, politics is a tough job.
00:10:49.560 He's just getting his elbows up.
00:10:51.560 Like, but when a female Politico does it, you know, she's shrill.
00:10:55.560 She's a bitch.
00:10:56.560 And it just drives me crazy.
00:10:58.560 It's like my rule about the Beatles.
00:11:01.560 You know, everybody knows, who knows the Beatles, like I do, knows that John and Paul broke up the band, but Yoko always gets blamed.
00:11:09.560 What do you think?
00:11:11.560 Well, just that last statement alone.
00:11:14.560 Yes, 100%.
00:11:16.560 John and Paul broke up.
00:11:19.560 Actually, they all did.
00:11:20.560 I mean, Ringo maybe was like, okay, whatever, fellas, whatever you're thinking.
00:11:23.560 I think Ringo was sad.
00:11:24.560 Not a lot of people give George credit.
00:11:25.560 He's my favorite Beatle.
00:11:26.560 Really?
00:11:27.560 I didn't know that.
00:11:28.560 Yeah.
00:11:29.560 I think he's...
00:11:30.560 I did not know that.
00:11:31.560 Well, you know my least favorite Beatle is John.
00:11:33.560 Yeah.
00:11:34.560 Well, John broke my heart.
00:11:35.560 Anyways, that's a separate conversation.
00:11:38.560 Well, big shocker.
00:11:40.560 Yes, you're 100% right.
00:11:42.560 A man in that same position, but this is almost like, you know, it's cliche at this point.
00:11:46.560 To your point.
00:11:47.560 She's shrill.
00:11:48.560 She's a bitch.
00:11:50.560 Honestly, at the end of the day, it's just because, in my opinion, the majority of the men and some women in that capacity, it's just, I guess for lack of a better attitude, it's just fear.
00:12:02.560 I don't think it's anything particularly poignant.
00:12:07.560 It's just you're afraid of strong female capabilities, even if they're not being aggressive.
00:12:12.560 It's if they're equally smart or slightly smarter or the fact that they just aren't interested in sitting back and being in the background or just taking the notes or letting the other person take credit for their work.
00:12:25.560 It doesn't really matter.
00:12:26.560 It doesn't really matter.
00:12:27.560 I don't.
00:12:28.560 I've seen some change, but certainly not enough to, you know, think that things are on a particularly expedient path towards something totally different.
00:12:37.560 But I agree.
00:12:38.560 She has taken an exceptional amount of crack and crap and, yeah, sexism is certainly at the top of it, but I think it's just more of a power struggle.
00:12:51.560 Number seven.
00:12:52.560 So here's the flip side of it.
00:12:54.560 So speaking of political, Andrew Bevin, you haven't met him, but you will.
00:12:59.560 He is one of the smart people who ran the Carney campaign.
00:13:03.560 I've known Andrew for years and I think he's done an exceptional job, obviously, with a total newbie.
00:13:10.560 Like, you know, Carney has never been in politics before.
00:13:15.560 And we'll talk about that in just a minute.
00:13:17.560 And like, I think that that's pretty good, you know, taking somebody who's never run for high public office before and getting him elected with a majority government.
00:13:28.560 So, Andrew, I don't expect you to comment on this because you don't know him, but like, Andrew's one of those people in politics who's a good guy.
00:13:37.560 And we need more good guys from politics.
00:13:39.560 You agree?
00:13:41.560 Well, define good guy in politics.
00:13:44.560 He'd prefer to sit around and talk to you about his kid's soccer game.
00:13:48.560 You know?
00:13:49.560 Fair enough.
00:13:50.560 Yeah.
00:13:51.560 Okay.
00:13:52.560 You're just being, you're being disputatious.
00:13:54.560 If we go out for lunch with him, is he allowing me to select the menu items?
00:14:00.560 A hundred percent.
00:14:01.560 And a hundred percent just being like, yep.
00:14:02.560 He was chief of staff to Kathleen Wynne.
00:14:04.560 I'll eat whatever you bring from me.
00:14:05.560 You know, you can't be chief of staff to Kathleen Wynne and be a sexist pick.
00:14:09.560 Like, Andrew is, Andrew believes women belong at the highest level in our politics.
00:14:17.560 Well, that's fantastic.
00:14:18.560 But if, will he go into a restaurant and say, I'll take whatever you think I should eat?
00:14:24.560 No.
00:14:25.560 Well, who the fuck does that?
00:14:27.560 It's a sign of a strong character person in my books.
00:14:31.560 She ate things at this restaurant tonight.
00:14:33.560 I've never seen them before.
00:14:34.560 It looked like Star Trek food.
00:14:35.560 What's the question here for me?
00:14:36.560 Number five.
00:14:37.560 Oh, wait.
00:14:38.560 Did I have a, did I have a report?
00:14:41.560 No, no.
00:14:42.560 It's not fair.
00:14:43.560 No, it's unfair to ask you to comment on a guy you've never met.
00:14:46.560 Fair.
00:14:47.560 Okay.
00:14:48.560 But, okay.
00:14:49.560 So, well, you haven't met Carney either, but I want to give him a little bit of a credit.
00:14:53.560 Like, he's never run, like, I don't think he ever run for student council.
00:14:58.560 He's, in this race, he really hasn't fallen flat on his face.
00:15:03.560 And like, I expected him to.
00:15:05.560 Like, you know, running for prime minister, being prime minister, it's not one of those,
00:15:10.560 I'm going to learn on the job kind of things.
00:15:13.560 But he, he did well.
00:15:15.560 Obviously, he's going to win, I think, on Monday.
00:15:18.560 And among other things, it suggests that, you know, who needs a political strategist or advisor like Warren Kinsella?
00:15:24.560 You can just like, you know, run and people like you and you win.
00:15:27.560 Okay, well, I mean, there was a lot of things, I think, potentially on his side.
00:15:31.560 I think, potentially, we could suggest he skirted through a few things without having to do a tremendous amount of effort.
00:15:40.560 He had a few things on his side.
00:15:45.560 You know me, I like people who are a bit punchier.
00:15:48.560 So he's been a bit, forgive me for using the same word again, but I love it.
00:15:52.560 He's been a bit banal, a little bit vanilla for me.
00:15:56.560 And I said that to you from the beginning.
00:15:58.560 I had a few other adjectives.
00:15:59.560 However, I think he's just done an okay job with the circumstances that were laid out in front of him.
00:16:06.560 I don't think he's excelled in any one way.
00:16:08.560 I don't think that he's blown anybody away with like, look at this guy who came out of nowhere and just completely, I think things were already starting to shift.
00:16:16.560 Yeah.
00:16:17.560 And he was the calm, cooling, kind of settling cup of tea that everybody needed.
00:16:24.560 Let me throw something at you that I threw a crutch hand at.
00:16:27.560 Didn't that become a strategy in and of itself?
00:16:29.560 You know, like Robin Williams used to say that Canada is your grandmother's apartment on top of a meth lab.
00:16:36.560 Right.
00:16:37.560 So that's become very true since Trump came back is he's a maniac.
00:16:43.560 He's a fucking monkey with a machine gun.
00:16:46.560 And in those circumstances, Canadians, I think, logically aren't looking for somebody who's like equally manic and crazy and unpredictable.
00:16:57.560 Well, that's what I just said.
00:16:58.560 They're looking for somebody.
00:16:59.560 No, but I thought you were being critical of Carney for being that way.
00:17:03.560 No, I'm not necessarily being critical.
00:17:05.560 I'm saying I don't, I'm not sure that it was a strategy.
00:17:08.560 I think potentially he kind of got, it was sort of fortuitous for him.
00:17:12.560 He's lucky.
00:17:13.560 Oh yeah.
00:17:14.560 100%.
00:17:15.560 You know, things were potentially starting to shift before.
00:17:18.560 I mean, his name has been at play for over a year.
00:17:20.560 We've, we've talked about him for over a year now.
00:17:23.560 You and I have.
00:17:25.560 So I think there was a few things on his side that limited his need to really be as, you know, fine tuned, strategized, charming, on point on everything.
00:17:39.560 I think he was able to scale back a little bit because of the way things were shifting.
00:17:46.560 And also, you know, maybe one of the, one of my Kinsellian rules is, you know, when somebody, when a politician reaches the age of 40 and they're a certain way, that's it, that you're not going to change them.
00:17:56.560 The fundamentals aren't going to change.
00:17:58.560 You know, maybe you can teach them how to speak French, but like who they are is who they are.
00:18:03.560 So, you know, maybe that's why Carney's just being who is.
00:18:06.560 Number eight, we in the media, uh, had a Tory leader, Mr. Polyev who would not let us travel with him.
00:18:15.560 That was the first.
00:18:17.560 And I thought it was really dumb.
00:18:19.560 We had a grit leader who would get condescending when we asked basic questions, particularly about his personal financial holdings, which is not an unacceptable or unreasonable question.
00:18:34.560 But I think notwithstanding all of that, the media did a pretty good job of covering this election.
00:18:40.560 So I give some kudos to the, to the media.
00:18:43.560 What do you think?
00:18:44.560 Uh, I mean, media is tough because you and I are a bit antiquated in the way that we receive our news.
00:18:52.560 She reads the New York Times every single morning, folks.
00:18:56.560 Amongst other, papiers from around the world.
00:18:59.560 You can't be afraid.
00:19:01.560 Um, but the point is, I've had this discussion with, you know, people in my own social sphere, um, to where they don't even consume news the same way that I do.
00:19:12.560 So it's a complex question because I think traditional media, um, you know, has had a tough, a tough road, particularly with campaigns where there's so many other ways that people access quote unquote journalism.
00:19:28.560 Um, and they charge us for those seats, they charge us thousands of dollars.
00:19:32.560 It's not like they're letting us travel for free.
00:19:34.560 Again, I'm a bit stodgy and kind of old foggy-ish, I suppose.
00:19:38.560 And I mean that endearingly.
00:19:40.560 Um.
00:19:41.560 She is an old foggy, folks.
00:19:42.560 Yeah.
00:19:43.560 Much more mature than your host here.
00:19:47.560 Um.
00:19:48.560 Papiers.
00:19:49.560 Papiers.
00:19:50.560 Papiers de le monde.
00:19:51.560 Papiers de le monde.
00:19:52.560 Um.
00:19:53.560 Can't get to the point.
00:19:54.560 We've got three more things to go through.
00:19:55.560 Well, stop interrupting me.
00:19:56.560 Um, yeah, the, whether or not they've done a good job, I think is the way that you and I might assess that.
00:20:03.560 And I agree with you.
00:20:04.560 I think they've done a good job, but I don't know how that can be evaluated in modern times.
00:20:11.560 It's not like we can look to, you know, how did Walter Cronkite handle, you know, um, this debate or, or even the likes of-
00:20:21.560 Bob Woodward or-
00:20:22.560 Of that gorgeous Peter Mansbridge.
00:20:24.560 We don't have the likes of that.
00:20:25.560 You thought he was gorgeous?
00:20:26.560 He's a very handsome man.
00:20:28.560 Yeah.
00:20:29.560 Well, I mean, you know, he's not, you know.
00:20:33.560 Ian Hannah Mansing?
00:20:34.560 Ian Hannah Mansing is a pro.
00:20:37.560 He is a pro.
00:20:38.560 Okay, number eight.
00:20:40.560 No, I did number eight.
00:20:43.560 You're onto number nine.
00:20:44.560 Number nine.
00:20:45.560 I think Jagmeet Singh is a goner.
00:20:48.560 I think Elizabeth May is a goner.
00:20:50.560 I don't think either is going to be missed.
00:20:52.560 You can disagree with that if you like.
00:20:54.560 Yves-Francois Blachet, block leader.
00:20:57.560 He could be forced to walk the plank too, if the block's little surge in the past few days turns out to be an illusion.
00:21:05.560 Polyev, as I've written elsewhere on my must-read substat during this election campaign, if Carney gets a majority, I think Polyev is a goner.
00:21:18.560 If it's a minority, he may live to fight another day.
00:21:22.560 So I'm interested in your thoughts on that.
00:21:24.560 If he'd been the one winning majority, Carney wouldn't have stuck around.
00:21:28.560 Like, the same with the minority.
00:21:30.560 Like, I think Carney would have booked.
00:21:32.560 But as things stand now, Carney's the guy who's going to be staying put.
00:21:35.560 What do you think?
00:21:37.560 Yes, Jagmeet is done.
00:21:40.560 Super disappointing because, I mean, I, full disclosure, have not been a fan of the NDP party since the early aughts.
00:21:47.560 But I did like him when he first came out.
00:21:49.560 And I think I've mentioned to you multiple times, in varying degrees of disdain in my voice, what a disappointment he has been.
00:21:59.560 And I certainly think he is gone.
00:22:03.560 I'm quite assured that he will lose his seat.
00:22:07.560 And I think the NDP needs to do a bit of an overhaul, much like I had suggested the Democratic Party to the south of us needed to take a long, hard look at themselves and the things they were willing, or the hills they were willing to die on.
00:22:20.560 Elizabeth May.
00:22:22.560 I don't know enough about her.
00:22:24.560 You're not missing anything.
00:22:26.560 Trust me.
00:22:27.560 I know a little bit about her.
00:22:28.560 I check in on her every once in a while.
00:22:30.560 I don't, I don't touch base with a lot of green party.
00:22:36.560 That's very prudent and wise of you to do that.
00:22:39.560 Okay, let's cut to the chase.
00:22:40.560 The big question tomorrow night, you know, and this is number 10.
00:22:44.560 I'm jumping ahead to number 10.
00:22:45.560 I didn't say anything about Carney, or?
00:22:47.560 Well, that's what I'm getting to.
00:22:48.560 You know, I think Carney's going to win.
00:22:50.560 So I want you to comment on who you think is going to win.
00:22:52.560 And if Carney wins, if he takes seats away from Mr. Polyev.
00:22:59.560 So not just a, you know, question of him taking seats away from the NDP.
00:23:03.560 You've just said that's a certainty.
00:23:05.560 Right?
00:23:06.560 Yeah, I think.
00:23:07.560 Right.
00:23:08.560 So what if Polyev lose, Brian Lilly and I talk about this on this week's podcast.
00:23:14.560 What if Polyev actually dropped seats?
00:23:18.560 Can he survive?
00:23:19.560 You know lots of Tories who come into your restaurant.
00:23:22.560 You talk to people, you know people.
00:23:25.560 Do you think they're going to let him stick around if he loses, loses ground?
00:23:30.560 Actually, I think this is maybe where you and I might disagree a bit.
00:23:35.560 I agree.
00:23:36.560 I think Carney's going to win.
00:23:39.560 I'm pretty confident he's going to get a majority.
00:23:42.560 I think he's definitely going to take NDP seats.
00:23:44.560 And I think you and I agree that potentially NDP might potentially lose status,
00:23:51.560 which would certainly mean they have to rethink themselves.
00:23:56.560 Teach them a lesson.
00:23:58.560 Well, that's a little childish, but everyone needs a bit of a kick in the face to have an
00:24:03.560 understanding of where did we go wrong and how do we reset.
00:24:07.560 As for Polyev, I think this is actually where we might disagree.
00:24:11.560 I don't think he'll be cast aside, whether it's a full majority or if he's left with a minority.
00:24:18.560 I don't think so.
00:24:19.560 I think the people, I think the Tories that are supportive of him, I don't think they're
00:24:24.560 going to fully blame him for this.
00:24:26.560 I think they can pick some things to blame him on, but I don't think they'll say this
00:24:33.560 is 100% your fault and you shall be tarred.
00:24:35.560 All right.
00:24:36.560 There you go.
00:24:37.560 Pierre Polyev, he says the job is yours to hold on to if you want it.
00:24:42.560 So I'm just not sure you're going to want it.
00:24:44.560 I wanted to bring his glasses back.
00:24:46.560 I wanted to wear the black framed glasses again.
00:24:49.560 The tight t-shirts thing was kind of goofy.
00:24:51.560 I don't need that.
00:24:52.560 But the glasses, the spectacles.
00:24:53.560 Yeah.
00:24:54.560 I appreciate it.
00:24:55.560 Honestly, he, you know, he's going to lose.
00:24:59.560 I've never been a fan, but he's, you know, I got all these liberals writing to me and saying
00:25:05.560 he's a fascist.
00:25:06.560 It's like, boys and girls, you should live under a real fascist state just for a day.
00:25:12.560 You shouldn't be throwing around words like that.
00:25:14.560 At the end of the day, we're pretty lucky to have the country we've got.
00:25:17.560 I really would like to get a focus group of just run of the mill, different demographics,
00:25:22.560 socioeconomics that I would really like to know what the base definition of fascism is
00:25:29.560 in modern times, because I believe, at least in my history lessons, there was one definition.
00:25:36.560 Wasn't necessarily a gray area.
00:25:38.560 I suppose you could maybe blur a few things, but it seems to be like 15 different
00:25:43.560 Well, you and I right now, tonight, maybe we should end this way, are in a country that's
00:25:49.560 full of people who are rather sick of people in the outside world comparing their politics
00:25:55.560 to Nazism or Hitler or fascism.
00:25:59.560 The people here have quite a bit of personal experience with Hitler and Nazism and fascism,
00:26:06.560 and they don't think that we should be making those kinds of comparisons, and I think they're
00:26:09.560 right.
00:26:10.560 Yeah, a hundred percent.
00:26:12.560 And as you've echoed previously, you know, I have a lot of different people that come
00:26:17.560 to my cooking classes and events, and a lot of them are of a certain age that experienced
00:26:23.560 these types of things in real time 40, 50 years ago.
00:26:27.560 And you listen to them, and it's quite eye-opening to some what they have to say about having experienced
00:26:37.560 this type of stuff.
00:26:38.560 And then being in this city, and you know, this has been a dream of mine for a long time,
00:26:43.560 and part of the reason I'm here is to do something that my mom always wanted.
00:26:48.560 But I think what people think about this place where we are now, that's just a lot of speculation,
00:26:55.560 because I am one of those people that agrees that a lot of things have to be observed in
00:27:00.560 the world for you to be able to speak about them, especially and passionately.
00:27:05.560 So come to Israel, everybody, and you'll see what E and I have seen.
00:27:09.560 It is diverse.
00:27:10.560 It is pluralistic.
00:27:12.560 It is democratic.
00:27:14.560 It is secular.
00:27:16.560 It is not what you've been told.
00:27:19.560 So come to Israel.
00:27:20.560 So, E, thank you very much.
00:27:22.560 I guess we'll be getting...
00:27:23.560 I think it should be pointed out we are not being paid to say that.
00:27:27.560 No, we are not.
00:27:28.560 We're definitely not.
00:27:29.560 We're paying to be here.
00:27:30.560 I bought my own ticket to come here.
00:27:32.560 Yeah.
00:27:33.560 But again, I didn't know what to expect.
00:27:36.560 I had thoughts and hopes of what was going to be here, and I've only been here for a short
00:27:39.560 period of time, and...
00:27:40.560 It's pretty cool.
00:27:41.560 I don't think you can have such strong opinions unless you can experience something.
00:27:44.560 No, it's a pretty cool place.
00:27:46.560 But, okay, here's my big complaint.
00:27:49.560 Why don't their hotels have ironing boards and irons?
00:27:53.560 Well, I think that might range from region to region because this is similar in Italy
00:27:58.560 and France is...
00:27:59.560 It kind of depends on the climate.
00:28:00.560 I wasn't asking you that question for like a serious answer.
00:28:03.560 Well, I'm going to give you a serious answer because to me it's a serious question.
00:28:05.560 We're going to wrap this up.
00:28:06.560 As someone who wears a lot of linen clothing, so I brought a lot of linen.
00:28:11.560 This may not be for all of your listeners, but perhaps for the ladies in the listening
00:28:16.560 audience.
00:28:17.560 You need to iron linen.
00:28:19.560 And as I've seen, at least in Tel Aviv, perhaps things will be different as we shift
00:28:24.560 to different parts of the country.
00:28:26.560 These people, first of all, are gorgeous and they are fit.
00:28:30.560 Yeah.
00:28:31.560 So they are...
00:28:32.560 Super hot women, guys.
00:28:33.560 Okay.
00:28:34.560 That's ridiculous.
00:28:35.560 Okay.
00:28:36.560 We'll say it, but you said the guys are super hot too.
00:28:38.560 I didn't say that.
00:28:39.560 Yes, you did.
00:28:40.560 I did not say that.
00:28:41.560 I said everyone here is beautiful and they are fit and they are...
00:28:44.560 I told you about my security guard and you said something.
00:28:47.560 Well, because you said he looks like Daniel Craig and please...
00:28:50.560 He does.
00:28:51.560 He looks like Daniel Craig.
00:28:52.560 Exactly like Daniel Craig.
00:28:53.560 Okay.
00:28:54.560 Now I've lost focus.
00:28:55.560 Let's wrap it up.
00:28:56.560 So just say thank you everybody for listening to this week's KinsellaCast.
00:29:00.560 And keep all of those notes that you send Warren when I make an appearance about how I'm
00:29:05.560 very much appreciated on the podcast and you need more of me.
00:29:08.560 And...
00:29:09.560 And thank you for listening.
00:29:11.560 To the KinsellaCast.
00:29:12.560 Bye.
00:29:13.560 2
00:29:14.560 KinsellaCast.
00:29:15.560 What is the artist to say?
00:29:16.560 Well, let's dance...
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00:29:19.560 Let me have theance...
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00:29:23.560 We see this twist you're Vorpamish's favorite dance.
00:29:29.560 you'll dance...
00:29:30.560 You'll dance the world indeed.
00:29:31.560 We'll let's dance...
00:29:34.060 We'll let's dance...
00:29:36.560 Hey, baby, oh, you thrilled my soul...
00:29:40.560 Hold the tide, don't you let me go.
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00:29:46.140 We'll see the twist and stop the next day instead
00:29:50.540 Any other act that's a warranty
00:29:52.800 Well, let's dance, well, let's dance
00:29:56.720 Okay, with it
00:30:12.560 Hey, baby, if you're all alone
00:30:22.100 Baby, you'll let me walk you home
00:30:24.800 Well, let's dance, I let's dance
00:30:28.400 We'll see the twist and stop the next day instead
00:30:32.720 Any other act that's a warranty
00:30:35.080 Well, let's dance, well, let's dance
00:30:38.780 Hey, baby, if you're swinging right
00:30:43.160 Yes, I know that tonight, tonight
00:30:45.740 Well, let's dance, well, let's dance
00:30:49.340 We'll see the twist and stop the next day instead
00:30:53.640 Any other act that's a warranty
00:30:55.800 Well, let's dance, well, let's dance
00:30:59.760 Well, let's dance, well, let's dance
00:31:04.920 And we're back, and we're back
00:31:06.380 I am in Tel Aviv in Israel
00:31:09.560 I'm sitting here looking at it
00:31:11.140 The beautiful beach, it's sunny and warm
00:31:13.760 And my friend Brian Lilly is back in Canada
00:31:16.860 And Brian, where are you right now?
00:31:19.220 I can hear you moving
00:31:20.200 I'm out at Yon and Bloor
00:31:22.880 Just walking past the scaffolding
00:31:25.400 That that guy set the Israeli flag on fire
00:31:27.880 And was arrested for recently
00:31:29.880 Yeah, you wouldn't see
00:31:31.060 You wouldn't see that here, I don't think
00:31:33.740 No, no, we're just walking Chloe back
00:31:36.760 From a trip to Ramston Dog Park this morning
00:31:39.680 And it's a gorgeous day here, finally
00:31:42.320 Excellent, good
00:31:43.480 Well, we deserve it in Canada
00:31:45.380 And they deserve it in Israel
00:31:46.640 So, anyway, greetings from Israel
00:31:49.260 Haven't had a siren yet
00:31:50.820 But I've gotten the security thing
00:31:52.800 And, you know, I don't think people in Canada
00:31:55.620 Really fully appreciate what it's like
00:31:57.400 To live in Israel under the threat
00:31:59.060 Of missiles and rockets all the time
00:32:01.720 But fortunately, that's not the case in Canada
00:32:03.600 At least not yet
00:32:04.940 How do you think things are going to go tomorrow?
00:32:09.580 What's your, you
00:32:10.180 And I just want to preface it by saying
00:32:12.120 For those, you know
00:32:14.260 If Brian tells us there might be a Liberal victory
00:32:17.140 Brian said there was a possibility
00:32:19.080 Of a Liberal victory at the start of the year
00:32:21.020 Like, you were the first guy to say that
00:32:23.760 So
00:32:24.640 I remember telling that to Liberals
00:32:27.020 Who said, you have more faith in my party than I do
00:32:29.440 And that was just after
00:32:31.400 Trudeau stepped down
00:32:33.420 They said, oh no
00:32:34.080 Maybe we can fold the Conservatives to a minority
00:32:36.320 And I said, no
00:32:36.900 There's a world where Carney can win
00:32:38.920 Well, whoever took over could win
00:32:41.560 We weren't sure it was going to be Carney at that point
00:32:44.540 But my mantra still goes
00:32:48.420 It is that voters are fickle
00:32:52.520 Polls can change
00:32:53.460 Campaigns matter
00:32:54.440 The Conservatives have had a bit of momentum
00:32:58.340 The past week and a half
00:33:00.060 Will it be enough for them to stop the Liberal victory?
00:33:04.360 We'll find out on Monday
00:33:05.720 The, you know, if it was going another week
00:33:10.260 I think there'd be a very good chance
00:33:12.260 If the Conservatives taking it
00:33:13.600 Most likely outcome now is a Liberal victory
00:33:17.080 But if people show up
00:33:18.380 And especially the voters who are looking for change
00:33:21.640 Younger voters
00:33:22.540 If they show up
00:33:23.360 The Conservatives can win
00:33:24.980 The problem is
00:33:26.240 They don't vote at the same rate as those 55 plus
00:33:29.000 Who are firmly in the
00:33:31.960 The Carney camp
00:33:34.520 I keep going to call him Ignatiev
00:33:36.260 We got some polling from
00:33:40.460 Leger the other day
00:33:42.660 And really granular stuff in the charts
00:33:45.100 Who are the Liberals doing best with?
00:33:49.440 People who are not in the labour market
00:33:51.140 They said, are you in the labour market or not?
00:33:53.640 Meaning, are you working or not?
00:33:55.640 He's doing well with retirees
00:33:57.520 Making over $150,000 a year
00:34:02.220 And, yeah
00:34:05.840 So, this is who's deciding the election
00:34:09.480 And they're the most reliable voting group
00:34:12.400 There is a bigger group, younger
00:34:14.240 But they don't show up as much
00:34:17.960 So, we shall see
00:34:19.500 At the end of the day, though
00:34:21.060 And I texted you this lyric
00:34:22.300 From the great Paul Weller
00:34:23.740 In his days with the jam
00:34:25.580 The public gets what the public wants
00:34:28.380 Yep
00:34:28.920 And it seems
00:34:30.700 Seems
00:34:31.540 To be a liberal victory
00:34:33.380 But, you know
00:34:34.240 This afternoon
00:34:35.600 I was with Hillel Neuer
00:34:36.840 Who you've interviewed
00:34:37.900 And I've interviewed
00:34:38.520 He's a Montrealer
00:34:39.680 And he leads an amazing organization
00:34:42.320 Called UN Watch
00:34:43.480 And he was kind of asking me questions
00:34:45.900 Saying, what's going on back there?
00:34:47.460 What's going on back home?
00:34:48.900 And I said, well
00:34:49.600 You wouldn't believe it
00:34:50.740 But Mark Carney
00:34:52.000 Had a conversation with Donald Trump
00:34:53.620 He said, yeah
00:34:54.080 I heard about that
00:34:54.940 He lied about it?
00:34:56.500 And I said, yeah
00:34:58.460 I said, my colleague Brian Lilly
00:35:00.260 Who never calls anybody a liar
00:35:01.920 In his journalism
00:35:03.220 Has repeatedly called Mark Carney a liar
00:35:06.860 And he said, well
00:35:07.920 Is it going to hurt him?
00:35:09.100 Like, why would he do that?
00:35:10.420 I said, you got me
00:35:11.480 Like, it was actually in his interest
00:35:13.580 To disclose it
00:35:14.480 But he didn't
00:35:15.500 And it's just the weirdest damn thing
00:35:17.680 But, I mean
00:35:18.660 What's your take?
00:35:20.120 Here's another weird thing
00:35:21.660 About this election
00:35:22.920 You mentioned Hillel being a Montrealer
00:35:26.140 Montreal Jewish organizations
00:35:29.300 Have endorsed the Conservatives
00:35:31.620 You're originally from Montreal
00:35:34.500 I lived there for a while
00:35:35.780 Spent a lot of time working there
00:35:37.260 Anglo-Montrealers
00:35:40.020 And, you know
00:35:41.000 There are Francoun Jews in Montreal
00:35:43.580 But the biggest contingent are Anglos
00:35:46.640 They are the most
00:35:48.360 Tried and tested liberal voters
00:35:52.280 Jewish Montreal
00:35:53.600 Endorsing the Conservatives
00:35:56.400 The NDP, though
00:35:58.980 Falling in behind the Liberals
00:36:01.580 To support a guy
00:36:02.980 Who's an international globalist banker
00:36:04.980 Worked with Goldman Sachs
00:36:06.640 Ran Brookfield Asset Management
00:36:08.240 A company that, you know
00:36:10.380 Has been reported
00:36:11.180 Owns a chain of private hospitals
00:36:14.160 Private insurance companies
00:36:15.560 That deny workers their health benefits
00:36:18.220 Nothing about this election makes sense
00:36:22.340 And none of these things
00:36:23.380 Appear to be sticking a carny
00:36:25.280 So, you know
00:36:28.260 All of it's bizarre
00:36:29.220 If the Conservatives win
00:36:30.600 It will be the
00:36:32.040 Often talked about
00:36:33.380 Seldom heard from
00:36:34.700 Silent majority showing up
00:36:36.060 But, like, the Conservatives
00:36:38.140 Who run a good
00:36:38.820 You know, really
00:36:39.800 I'd be
00:36:40.780 You know me
00:36:41.660 If I thought they'd run
00:36:42.900 A shitty campaign
00:36:43.680 I'd say so
00:36:44.400 I think they've run
00:36:45.520 A very disciplined
00:36:46.380 Professional campaign
00:36:47.440 I think some of the attacks
00:36:48.660 On Jenny Byrne
00:36:49.980 Have been pretty disgusting
00:36:51.740 If she'd been a guy
00:36:52.840 I don't think they'd be happening
00:36:54.100 You know
00:36:55.640 The only mistake
00:36:56.820 I think they really made
00:36:57.740 Was putting out
00:36:58.540 Their platform late
00:37:00.040 You know
00:37:01.880 See, I don't get that
00:37:02.900 I heard that
00:37:03.480 When I was filling in
00:37:04.320 On 1010 earlier this week
00:37:05.920 They put their platform
00:37:06.760 Out so late
00:37:07.400 Everything that was
00:37:09.300 In that
00:37:10.260 Had been put out
00:37:11.320 Previously
00:37:11.820 So
00:37:12.980 And
00:37:14.100 The Liberals
00:37:15.640 Put theirs out
00:37:16.160 Two days earlier
00:37:17.120 I mean
00:37:18.120 They all put their
00:37:18.660 Platforms out late
00:37:19.660 I don't think
00:37:20.660 This is a platform election
00:37:22.160 No, it's not
00:37:22.880 And polling shows that
00:37:23.940 It's like
00:37:24.420 More than 60%
00:37:26.120 Of people said
00:37:27.300 No, I don't care
00:37:28.040 What the platforms say
00:37:29.140 They're voting either
00:37:30.240 For change
00:37:30.920 Or for safety and security
00:37:32.560 And if you want change
00:37:33.700 You're voting conservative
00:37:34.620 If you're
00:37:36.300 Really scared of the
00:37:37.240 Orange man in Washington
00:37:38.320 You're voting for
00:37:39.560 Safety and security
00:37:40.580 And backing Carney
00:37:41.400 So
00:37:41.780 But
00:37:43.140 I'll say this
00:37:44.080 To bring back
00:37:44.680 A maximum
00:37:45.740 I haven't used
00:37:46.360 With you in a while
00:37:47.140 If the conservatives
00:37:50.140 Don't win
00:37:50.880 Then
00:37:52.220 It goes back
00:37:53.060 To something
00:37:53.480 That I've said
00:37:54.200 To you many times
00:37:55.060 And that is
00:37:56.040 That politics
00:37:56.940 Is about addition
00:37:57.920 Not subtraction
00:37:59.100 And while
00:38:00.060 The conservatives
00:38:00.680 Did a very good job
00:38:01.740 Of adding to their base
00:38:03.100 Looks like
00:38:03.800 They're going to get
00:38:04.260 38 to 40%
00:38:05.420 Of the vote
00:38:05.960 And even
00:38:07.900 Some polls
00:38:08.680 Say in Ontario
00:38:09.380 They'll get
00:38:09.760 40% of the vote
00:38:10.860 That normally
00:38:11.560 Gets you
00:38:12.080 A majority
00:38:13.080 It sure does
00:38:13.900 But in this instance
00:38:15.740 If the liberals
00:38:16.700 Win it's
00:38:17.380 Because they're
00:38:18.420 Even higher
00:38:19.240 With that
00:38:19.720 Collapsed NDP vote
00:38:21.300 Well
00:38:22.340 Where did the conservatives
00:38:24.380 Not do addition then?
00:38:25.720 I mean they've obviously
00:38:26.680 Added to their base
00:38:27.760 They brought in
00:38:28.520 A bunch of
00:38:29.040 Younger people
00:38:29.700 That normally
00:38:30.140 Wouldn't vote for them
00:38:31.080 But they didn't
00:38:32.300 Build bridges
00:38:32.860 With folks like
00:38:34.180 Tim Houston
00:38:34.760 Doug Ford
00:38:36.460 Patrick Brown
00:38:38.120 Jean Charest
00:38:39.480 People that should
00:38:41.100 Be out there
00:38:41.540 Campaigning for them
00:38:42.620 Even if they've had
00:38:43.840 Differences in the past
00:38:45.540 They would normally
00:38:47.560 Be out there
00:38:48.000 Campaigning for them
00:38:48.980 That's not happening
00:38:50.340 Because
00:38:50.720 They were told
00:38:52.840 We don't need you
00:38:54.000 We don't need you
00:38:55.060 We don't want you
00:38:55.820 And on election night
00:38:57.140 It's going to matter too
00:38:58.140 So if
00:38:58.720 As the polls suggest
00:39:00.520 Polyev loses
00:39:01.480 And if
00:39:02.080 If you know
00:39:02.940 Because of the NDP
00:39:03.760 Collapse
00:39:04.380 It's actually a slim
00:39:05.560 Liberal majority
00:39:06.860 You know there is
00:39:08.140 Obviously
00:39:08.800 Obviously going to
00:39:09.840 Be pressure on
00:39:10.720 Polyev to
00:39:11.700 To resign
00:39:12.980 And that's when
00:39:14.040 You need people
00:39:14.680 Like Doug Ford
00:39:15.520 And Tim Houston
00:39:16.500 And others
00:39:16.960 To say no
00:39:17.700 Give him a chance
00:39:18.680 You know he did
00:39:20.500 A good job
00:39:21.040 You know
00:39:21.320 Could they have
00:39:22.360 Added an extra
00:39:22.980 Few points
00:39:23.640 By having all
00:39:24.580 Those different
00:39:25.040 People on their
00:39:25.700 Team campaigning
00:39:26.480 For them
00:39:26.920 For sure
00:39:27.500 For sure
00:39:28.460 So what do
00:39:29.920 You think
00:39:30.360 So let's say
00:39:31.080 Let's game it out
00:39:31.880 So you know
00:39:32.860 I wrote on
00:39:33.720 Substack yesterday
00:39:34.680 If it had been
00:39:35.600 A liberal loss
00:39:37.560 I think Mark Carney
00:39:38.740 Would be gone so fast
00:39:40.520 To make your head spin
00:39:41.660 There's no doubt
00:39:42.760 About that
00:39:43.460 In my mind
00:39:44.380 But Polyev
00:39:45.400 So Polyev
00:39:46.080 If it's a minority
00:39:46.800 I think he's going
00:39:48.000 To stick around
00:39:48.660 What do you think
00:39:49.300 If he loses seats
00:39:51.960 No
00:39:52.300 Yeah
00:39:52.940 If he loses seats
00:39:54.660 I think there'll be
00:39:55.300 Pressure on him to go
00:39:56.400 Even if it's
00:39:58.600 A liberal minority
00:39:59.400 It'll depend
00:40:01.920 On how tight
00:40:02.680 So if it's very tight
00:40:06.340 Maybe not
00:40:07.200 But a lot of the
00:40:08.480 People around
00:40:09.160 Pierre
00:40:09.660 Not Pierre himself
00:40:10.520 But a lot of the
00:40:11.340 People around him
00:40:12.100 Were the ones
00:40:12.660 That forced
00:40:13.320 Aaron O'Toole out
00:40:14.340 For not doing
00:40:15.380 Well enough
00:40:15.840 Last time
00:40:16.380 That's right
00:40:17.140 That's right
00:40:17.960 Will the knives
00:40:19.020 Come back
00:40:19.800 You know
00:40:21.640 Will the factions
00:40:22.400 Hey look
00:40:23.200 I was just
00:40:23.680 Chatting with
00:40:24.720 A friend who's
00:40:26.460 Worked on liberal
00:40:27.100 Campaigns for years
00:40:28.280 And you know
00:40:29.440 She's very excited
00:40:30.400 About
00:40:30.720 The possibility
00:40:33.120 Of a victory
00:40:33.900 And we started
00:40:34.920 Talking about
00:40:35.460 The factionalism
00:40:36.240 And she said
00:40:36.700 Look
00:40:36.940 We do it
00:40:39.220 To ourselves
00:40:39.720 As well
00:40:40.280 And described
00:40:41.220 What it was like
00:40:41.920 Working under
00:40:43.180 Both
00:40:43.560 Stéphane Dion
00:40:44.460 And Michael Ignatieff
00:40:45.980 And the infighting
00:40:47.060 To take down
00:40:47.960 Your own person
00:40:48.640 We could see that
00:40:49.960 Come back
00:40:50.820 If the conservatives
00:40:52.280 Somehow do win
00:40:53.400 Jenny Byrne
00:40:54.460 Will be seen
00:40:54.980 As a genius
00:40:55.480 And Pierre
00:40:56.480 Will be secure
00:40:57.200 Yeah
00:40:57.800 Yeah
00:40:58.540 No
00:40:59.140 For sure
00:40:59.760 You know
00:41:00.420 Because it
00:41:00.880 Really
00:41:01.220 They
00:41:01.620 In my view
00:41:03.160 Is they ran
00:41:04.040 A more disciplined
00:41:05.140 Campaign by the liberals
00:41:06.280 You know
00:41:06.580 Letting your leader
00:41:07.460 Fib
00:41:08.660 Or as you put it
00:41:09.880 Lie
00:41:10.420 Bald face lie
00:41:11.660 About a phone call
00:41:12.960 With the president
00:41:13.500 Of the United States
00:41:14.120 Like you just
00:41:14.900 Don't do that
00:41:15.960 Like it
00:41:16.560 And it
00:41:17.040 It's just
00:41:18.440 The guy lied
00:41:19.120 About
00:41:19.420 Which song
00:41:21.500 He used to
00:41:22.160 Warm up to
00:41:22.840 For minor hockey
00:41:24.280 Right
00:41:25.220 He's got
00:41:27.280 You know
00:41:28.400 Is he a pathological
00:41:30.320 Liar
00:41:31.260 Obviously that's a possibility
00:41:32.360 You know
00:41:32.960 When I was talking
00:41:33.560 To Hillel Neuer
00:41:34.280 About it
00:41:34.640 He said
00:41:34.820 Well why would he do that
00:41:35.940 I said
00:41:36.360 Honest to God
00:41:37.160 I think it's just
00:41:38.240 Political experience
00:41:39.220 Like he just
00:41:40.360 The guy is sloppy
00:41:42.500 You know
00:41:43.360 Oh he should have
00:41:44.900 Been out there
00:41:45.480 After that phone call
00:41:47.260 With Trump
00:41:47.700 Saying
00:41:48.160 You know
00:41:50.200 Donald Trump
00:41:50.720 Raised the 51st state
00:41:51.880 And I told him
00:41:52.480 In no uncertain terms
00:41:53.540 That'll never happen
00:41:54.500 Yeah
00:41:55.040 Why would he leave that out
00:41:57.240 Yeah
00:41:57.520 It would have been helpful
00:41:59.620 You know
00:42:00.820 He had previously lied
00:42:02.340 About
00:42:02.900 The idea of a call
00:42:05.680 Even
00:42:05.940 Because if you remember
00:42:07.200 Right after he got
00:42:08.060 Sworn in
00:42:09.140 He said
00:42:09.500 I'll only talk to him
00:42:10.440 Once he shows Canada respect
00:42:11.800 And we're like
00:42:12.220 Well
00:42:12.440 What does that look like
00:42:14.420 And people are asking him
00:42:15.580 What
00:42:16.420 What did that mean
00:42:17.920 What has to happen
00:42:18.960 Well it turns out
00:42:20.480 They called
00:42:21.340 To try and speak to Trump
00:42:23.220 The day he was sworn in
00:42:25.080 And Trump didn't call him back
00:42:27.500 For two weeks
00:42:28.140 I mean
00:42:30.100 He does have a problem
00:42:31.920 With the truth
00:42:32.660 But it doesn't appear
00:42:34.360 To matter
00:42:34.740 With his
00:42:35.500 His supporters
00:42:37.240 I do tell you
00:42:38.820 I do worry about
00:42:39.920 National unity
00:42:40.640 At the end of all of this
00:42:41.700 Me too
00:42:42.060 And you know
00:42:44.860 Our colleagues
00:42:45.920 In eastern Canada
00:42:47.240 Who just
00:42:47.940 You know
00:42:48.880 Want to pat
00:42:50.240 Western Canada
00:42:50.920 On the head
00:42:51.540 And say
00:42:52.020 Oh that'll never happen
00:42:53.840 And you know
00:42:54.920 Why be traitorous
00:42:56.300 Things they'd never say
00:42:57.700 To come back
00:42:58.180 I really don't think
00:43:01.020 They understand
00:43:01.780 No they don't
00:43:03.600 How things will go
00:43:04.300 And if Carney gets in
00:43:05.880 And sticks to his policies
00:43:07.180 Of doing nothing
00:43:08.780 For the oil and gas sector
00:43:10.020 Except trying to smother them
00:43:12.400 That's the point
00:43:13.240 I wanted to make
00:43:14.240 Is you know
00:43:15.100 It's not a case
00:43:15.980 Of being sucky babies
00:43:17.440 And oh our team
00:43:18.480 Didn't win
00:43:19.140 It's a case of
00:43:20.880 Carney has embraced
00:43:22.240 The wrong position
00:43:23.220 On energy development
00:43:25.060 And energy extraction
00:43:26.260 In a country of
00:43:27.800 Abundant energy resources
00:43:30.160 He's made the wrong
00:43:32.080 Decision
00:43:33.200 And that's what
00:43:34.240 Would enrage people
00:43:35.140 In western Canada
00:43:36.100 Yeah so
00:43:37.800 There's a real
00:43:39.460 Possibility
00:43:40.760 Of us facing
00:43:42.020 The worst
00:43:43.220 National unity crisis
00:43:44.500 Since the mid 90s
00:43:46.240 And in the referendum
00:43:47.700 There
00:43:48.080 You know
00:43:50.660 Look there's a lot
00:43:51.340 Of national pride
00:43:52.020 Last night
00:43:52.520 You know
00:43:53.300 You
00:43:54.120 Well you wouldn't see
00:43:55.280 The Oilers games
00:43:56.960 Being in Tel Aviv
00:43:57.960 But you know
00:43:59.660 There and in Montreal
00:44:01.200 People you know
00:44:02.220 In Toronto last night
00:44:03.300 Or Ottawa sorry
00:44:04.120 People just pounding
00:44:05.340 Out O Canada
00:44:06.080 At the start of
00:44:06.720 All these playoff games
00:44:07.740 Awesome
00:44:08.220 And it's great to see
00:44:09.220 But you know
00:44:10.960 Do you put that
00:44:11.680 In danger
00:44:12.260 If you stick
00:44:13.860 To the policies
00:44:14.600 That have made
00:44:15.560 People so angry
00:44:16.920 And you know
00:44:18.520 I visit Saskatchewan
00:44:19.560 A lot
00:44:19.820 It's worse there
00:44:20.700 Than Alberta
00:44:21.260 Yeah
00:44:22.960 Yeah
00:44:23.620 No people are
00:44:24.400 Pretty pissed
00:44:25.780 Well listen man
00:44:26.860 You guys
00:44:28.300 Chloe deserves a nap
00:44:29.800 So you're gonna
00:44:30.300 Go back and give
00:44:31.120 Let her crash
00:44:32.520 And you guys
00:44:33.560 Have a great evening
00:44:34.260 And I'm glad
00:44:34.720 You're enjoying
00:44:35.280 The outdoors
00:44:36.280 Enid and I
00:44:37.500 I think are gonna
00:44:38.180 Go for a walk
00:44:38.860 And I'm gonna
00:44:39.180 Take her to the
00:44:39.900 Carmel Souk Market
00:44:41.500 Where I think
00:44:42.040 You've been before
00:44:42.880 And it's pretty
00:44:43.740 Amazing to see
00:44:44.720 And maybe we'll
00:44:46.200 Get a bite to eat
00:44:46.820 There
00:44:47.060 Absolutely jealous
00:44:48.600 That you're there
00:44:49.120 It's gorgeous there
00:44:49.920 Okay
00:44:50.400 Thanks for this brother
00:44:51.420 So I will be
00:44:52.500 Talking to you
00:44:53.260 Obviously about
00:44:54.100 Tomorrow's events
00:44:54.940 Probably I'll be up
00:44:56.440 At five o'clock
00:44:57.540 In the morning
00:44:58.060 On Tuesday
00:44:58.620 To try and find out
00:44:59.420 What's going on
00:45:00.060 But feel free
00:45:01.240 To text me
00:45:01.880 If you hear
00:45:02.280 Anything interesting
00:45:03.080 Talk soon
00:45:04.440 Thanks a lot
00:45:05.100 One, two, three, four, five, six
00:45:07.940 Roadrunner, roadrunner
00:45:11.000 Going faster miles an hour
00:45:14.580 Go ride past the stopping shop
00:45:18.340 With the radio on
00:45:21.220 I'm in love with modern mornings
00:45:24.740 I'm in love with modern late at night
00:45:28.260 I drive along when it's late at night
00:45:58.240 I want to hear now
00:46:00.680 The modern sound
00:46:01.960 So I won't feel alone at night
00:46:05.280 I mean I'm in love with the modern world
00:46:08.560 I'm also in love with modern girls
00:46:11.960 Also I drive along with the radio on
00:46:15.060 I don't feel so alone
00:46:17.460 At the radio on
00:46:18.320 I'll be a runner
00:46:19.500 Which goes out
00:46:22.240 That's a modern sound
00:46:25.240 With the sound
00:46:25.920 With the AM
00:46:29.100 And
00:46:35.300 Say hello to the spirit of 1956
00:46:39.040 Patient in the bushes
00:46:41.200 Next to 57
00:46:42.740 The highway is your girlfriend
00:46:44.580 As you go by a cliff
00:46:46.060 Suburban trees
00:46:47.080 Suburban speed
00:46:48.020 And it smells like heaven
00:46:49.420 I say roadrunner once
00:46:51.280 Roadrunner twice
00:46:52.760 I'm in love with AM sound
00:46:55.140 And I'll be out all night
00:46:56.740 Roadrunner
00:46:58.020 That's right
00:46:59.420 Here we go
00:47:11.140 We'll be right back.
00:47:41.140 We'll be right back.
00:48:11.140 We'll be right back.
00:48:41.140 We'll be right back.
00:49:11.140 We'll be right back.
00:49:41.140 Bye-bye.
00:50:11.140 We'll be right back.
00:50:41.140 And do you think this will have any effect on shifting the polls here in the final days?
00:50:44.820 Well, before we talk about platforms, I just want to express condolences to the Filipino community in Vancouver.
00:50:53.840 I don't know if we're going to address that today.
00:50:56.080 I don't think anyone wants to politicize the issue.
00:50:58.260 I'm not doing this as a political statement.
00:50:59.880 Just absolutely horrendous what happened there.
00:51:01.960 Thank you for mentioning that, I should say, too.
00:51:04.720 I got a couple of texts about that in the last few minutes.
00:51:07.160 But also, NDP leader Jagmeet Singh, very shaken last night because he was campaigning there as well.
00:51:12.500 So just a terrible news for the community.
00:51:14.440 It is absolutely terrible.
00:51:15.900 And the police have not released a lot of details.
00:51:17.700 So there's really not much more to say except that it's a tragedy and everyone wants to understand what happened and feels very horrible.
00:51:23.200 But in any event, I think with regards to your question on the platforms, I think that the platforms really, when you look at the polls, I don't think it shifted much of anything.
00:51:36.040 I think that they came too late, really, to really make an impact.
00:51:39.540 And which is unfortunate because there's been speculation that the conservative platform had come out earlier.
00:51:44.120 There's a stashy curl, did a whole rundown on X about how that might have actually helped the conservatives.
00:51:49.540 Apparently, some liberal voters said that they wish they'd seen that platform before they voted in the last, you know, last at the advanced polls.
00:51:57.920 Then with regards to the liberal platform, I got to say, I was fairly disappointed in some of the big numbers there because the deficit and debt are just going to accumulate continuously.
00:52:08.880 And I, you know, worse than the other parties.
00:52:11.480 And with the accounting issues that Mark Carney's putting forward to try and split the two out,
00:52:17.020 I do worry about the impact that's going to have also on the GDP ratio.
00:52:21.560 And a lot of people are saying that.
00:52:23.080 But again, it came out too late to really have an impact on the campaign.
00:52:26.780 I think most people have already made up their mind.
00:52:28.900 And the platforms, you know, this is sort of like the death knell of platforms in election campaigns.
00:52:33.440 They just don't seem to matter anymore.
00:52:35.440 Well, Andy, I kind of got that impression, too, considering, you know,
00:52:38.760 a lot of people had already voted in advanced polling before they'd even seen the liberal or the conservative platform as well.
00:52:43.780 So I think they've made a calculation here that a lot of voters don't really care about that at the end of the day.
00:52:49.120 But, Carl, your takeaways from the conservative platform,
00:52:52.080 and do you think it's enough to kind of close the gap here with Mark Carney in the final days?
00:52:56.160 No, it's not.
00:52:58.120 It's not going to change much, if anything.
00:53:01.080 What's interesting in the platform is that, you know, one of the reasons they're behind in this contest
00:53:10.340 is because a lot of people are linking the conservatives to Trump,
00:53:14.540 and they're afraid that Pollyev is a Trump-lite or a mini-Trump.
00:53:18.660 And they're doubling down on Trump statements like a war on wokeism,
00:53:23.100 and, you know, going after post-cultural education and research and that sort of thing.
00:53:29.220 So, to me, I think the conservatives believe that this was not going to be a helpful document.
00:53:36.760 That's why they released it so late.
00:53:38.680 And, frankly, that goes for the other parties as well.
00:53:42.920 They released it very late.
00:53:45.020 The only party that released it early was the Bloc Québécois, which released it in March.
00:53:50.340 But everybody else released it over the Easter weekend and the Tories after the Easter weekend.
00:53:55.740 So, they don't believe it's a full document.
00:53:59.560 They believe it's a liability, and, therefore, it doesn't have any impact
00:54:04.160 in terms of positive response for the voters.
00:54:07.060 And, Warren, your thoughts on the conservative platform in general,
00:54:09.980 but also Carl mentioned something there, is that the kind of anti-woke stuff,
00:54:14.360 it wasn't in the original platform.
00:54:15.720 They did republish it kind of the day later.
00:54:17.520 Or, do you think that could have any sway in terms of, you know,
00:54:21.240 a lot of people have been having that comparison of Paulyov and Trump to a negative point.
00:54:26.600 Do you think that that could also hurt Pierre Paulyov here?
00:54:30.000 Yeah, they were hurt by the fact that they released their signature document
00:54:35.200 after voting had started.
00:54:37.160 You know, the advanced polling was underway, and millions of people participated.
00:54:41.680 And so, it was a mistake.
00:54:45.340 But it was, you know, to Carl's point, it was an opportunity for them to address
00:54:50.240 the allegation that they are Trumpist.
00:54:54.220 And, you know, they could have done that in the platform.
00:54:58.260 Like, the beauty of a platform document, back when I was working with the Liberals
00:55:02.500 and we were doing it, it's one of the few opportunities you get
00:55:06.180 to say exactly what you want reported, right?
00:55:09.740 That it's going to get reported, what you say.
00:55:12.720 And they could have said, you know, had a paragraph rejecting Trump
00:55:16.320 and being very critical of him and talking about their policies.
00:55:20.560 They didn't do that.
00:55:21.460 As Carl said, they doubled down on what makes them Trumpy.
00:55:25.460 So, it wasn't just a mistake to do it so late.
00:55:30.080 It was a huge opportunity lost.
00:55:32.300 And when you're behind, you know, that's unforgivable.
00:55:35.900 And just sticking with you for a second, Warren,
00:55:37.800 in a sense of they are behind.
00:55:40.640 We've seen the final week of campaigning.
00:55:42.520 I haven't seen any poll numbers to say that, you know,
00:55:44.500 Pierre Poliev could be in trouble in his own riding.
00:55:46.440 But apparently there are some internal poll numbers coming
00:55:48.560 from both the provincial and federal Conservatives
00:55:50.560 that have been leaked to the Globe and Mail and the Toronto Star this week.
00:55:54.140 So, just kind of similar conversation here
00:55:56.400 as they're trying to kind of tighten the lead here in the last moments.
00:55:59.820 Is there anything you've seen this week that shows that the Conservatives are in trouble?
00:56:03.580 And on the flip side, is there anything that shows you that the Conservatives
00:56:06.400 are, you know, leading the charge here heading into the voting day?
00:56:09.300 No, they're losing.
00:56:12.480 Like, every single poll shows them.
00:56:15.160 I mean, it could be as little as 2%.
00:56:16.920 It could be as much as 5%.
00:56:18.680 There's been a little bit of a narrowing.
00:56:20.700 But they're losing.
00:56:21.800 Because as we've talked about many times before,
00:56:24.080 they've got wasted vote on the prairies.
00:56:26.240 And so their national number gets distorted by that.
00:56:29.440 It gets artificially elevated by that.
00:56:31.580 They're losing the election campaign.
00:56:33.480 And I don't believe the stories.
00:56:36.300 And it was, you know, it was the Globe and Mail and the Star that reported it,
00:56:39.960 that Polyev was in trouble in his riding.
00:56:43.960 You know, they put that on the front page,
00:56:45.980 which is something you do if you think it is true,
00:56:49.440 or you hope they do that.
00:56:51.440 I don't believe it.
00:56:52.860 There is precedent for party leaders.
00:56:55.720 You know, their party's doing well,
00:56:57.300 and then they lose their seat.
00:56:58.760 Barassa, Bonnie Crombie recently in Ontario.
00:57:02.340 Like, it does happen.
00:57:04.520 But I think that, you know,
00:57:06.820 I think Polyev should be okay.
00:57:08.320 He's held that riding.
00:57:09.260 He's owned that riding for a generation.
00:57:11.600 So I don't see a surprise there.
00:57:14.160 But nor do I see a prize in the outcome.
00:57:16.520 You know, I think that the Conservative Party
00:57:18.040 has lost a 30-point lead that they had at the start of the year.
00:57:21.800 And I think Monday night may be Mr. Polyev's last night in politics.
00:57:27.120 And I should say, you know,
00:57:28.260 quote-unquote in trouble is he's still leading by about three,
00:57:30.800 I believe the polls were.
00:57:32.340 So that's in trouble, I suppose,
00:57:34.680 but still leading in the polls, I guess.
00:57:37.060 Tasha, when it comes to the Conservatives this week,
00:57:39.480 I guess, what do you take away of their final week of campaigning,
00:57:41.760 where they were heading,
00:57:42.980 this story about Polyev possibly in trouble in his own riding?
00:57:45.860 Do you think they've found some momentum here,
00:57:48.400 or do you think they're still in trouble?
00:57:50.660 No, they're still in trouble.
00:57:51.740 I spoke to people in their riding after I saw that story,
00:57:56.100 and they did confirm that there's been issues stemming, interestingly enough,
00:58:01.080 from holdovers from the convoy and a certain feeling of people in the riding
00:58:06.220 that Polyev didn't stand up for Ottawa in that situation, including his riding.
00:58:11.080 And also public servants,
00:58:13.420 because we do know that he wants to trim the federal public service,
00:58:17.940 though the platform document kind of toned that down a little bit, interestingly enough.
00:58:22.180 But there's a sense that, you know, he's not the public servant's friend.
00:58:25.760 And so those issues are contributing to that in his own riding.
00:58:30.300 Whether he'll lose it or not, I don't know if it's at that stage,
00:58:33.040 but definitely he's not, it's not like in the, you know, great, huge margin of victory.
00:58:39.820 With regards to the rest of it,
00:58:41.380 I've also heard that internal polls show the Conservatives are going to lose,
00:58:44.880 that they're hoping to hold over both to a minority,
00:58:47.320 and that that's sort of like almost a best-case scenario at this point.
00:58:51.340 And, you know, when, I'm not surprised,
00:58:55.880 because they didn't change the channel early enough in this campaign.
00:58:59.140 And this week was another example of that.
00:59:01.080 You know, we talked about the platform and that it didn't, you know,
00:59:04.980 Warren said it didn't attack Trump.
00:59:06.240 I don't even know if attacking Trump is the thing.
00:59:08.820 It's more that the Conservatives double down.
00:59:12.800 They double down their base and all the language in the platform.
00:59:15.380 And this week as well, they went, they, in fact, they went to Quebec City,
00:59:19.140 he was in Quebec City at one point, which is supposed to be a core conservative,
00:59:22.640 you know, stronghold in Quebec.
00:59:24.980 It shows that they're just, they're trying to save the furniture, as they say,
00:59:28.520 and hold the base, which is substantial.
00:59:31.180 The base is substantial, but it's not enough to win an election.
00:59:33.480 It's not enough to win a majority or even a minority government.
00:59:36.060 At this point, Sandy P has collapsed.
00:59:37.580 So, yeah, I don't know if it'll be,
00:59:40.220 Pierre Paulyev's last night in politics,
00:59:41.820 but I do think that they're facing a loss.
00:59:44.800 Yeah, if you were to tell the Conservatives before the election campaign
00:59:47.520 or last year that they were going to pull near 40%,
00:59:49.760 I'm sure they would love that,
00:59:51.560 but it's just interesting to see how the other kind of votes
00:59:53.620 have kind of squared out here.
00:59:55.280 Carl, has Pierre Paulyev been able to kind of tighten, I guess,
00:59:58.120 the race here in the final weeks,
00:59:59.900 or is this kind of, I don't know,
01:00:01.600 is the writing on the wall come Monday?
01:00:04.360 Well, I mean, Andrew Scheer won the popular vote
01:00:07.820 and lost the election.
01:00:09.200 Aaron O'Toole won the popular vote and lost the election.
01:00:11.440 And even if Pierre Paulyev has tightened the race,
01:00:14.000 he's behind, he's trailing.
01:00:15.420 So there's no scenario in which, you know,
01:00:18.500 if he's in that kind of situation,
01:00:20.460 he can pull it off and become prime minister on Monday.
01:00:23.760 So because of that, you know,
01:00:25.940 I wish that he loses his writing.
01:00:28.220 It will make things easier
01:00:29.180 because then he'll have to resign and go.
01:00:32.000 If he keeps his writing,
01:00:33.800 it makes things a little more complicated.
01:00:36.160 And what's interesting, what's happened last week is,
01:00:39.360 you know, and we've seen it over the campaign,
01:00:41.560 and there is a lot of discontent in the Conservative Party.
01:00:45.520 There's been a lot of friendly fire.
01:00:47.200 And this story that was leaked to both the Star and the Globe
01:00:51.480 feeds that narrative that the Conservative is not as united as it should be.
01:00:58.040 We've seen certainly friendly fire from the Doug Ford camp,
01:01:02.180 and Curiton Icke, a former Harper strategist,
01:01:04.880 high-ranked official,
01:01:06.540 and Doug Ford himself and some ministers,
01:01:09.180 you know, writing letters about,
01:01:10.380 oh, we need to save this program,
01:01:11.660 you know, about daycare, for instance.
01:01:14.420 Paul Calendra, a former Harper minister,
01:01:16.060 wrote that this week.
01:01:17.240 And we saw Tim Houston in Nova Scotia also.
01:01:20.180 Those are Conservative guys.
01:01:23.060 You know, they should be supporting Paul Yevon.
01:01:25.260 They should at least be quiet about not supporting them.
01:01:29.220 But that's not what they've done.
01:01:30.540 And that's one of the reasons why
01:01:32.060 Pierre Paul Yevon is going to lose tomorrow.
01:01:33.980 Yeah, definitely not the headlines that they wanted,
01:01:36.980 I guess, in the final week of the campaign.
01:01:39.260 And I suppose, you know,
01:01:40.280 some things that could hurt Mark Carney,
01:01:41.980 you know, we had some criticism of his platform last weekend as well.
01:01:45.500 But Warren, you know,
01:01:46.460 this whole question around Donald Trump,
01:01:49.260 did he bring up the 51st state rhetoric,
01:01:51.320 it's kind of interesting in some ways.
01:01:53.080 I don't know if that really sways the vote for many people,
01:01:55.920 but I thought this was something like this,
01:01:58.360 the platform that could potentially hurt the Liberals.
01:02:00.800 Have you seen, I guess, any potential
01:02:04.180 that this could be hurtful for the Conservatives,
01:02:06.180 or for the Liberals here in the final week of the campaign?
01:02:09.380 The platform issue?
01:02:11.000 Platform or the 51st state comments.
01:02:13.300 He was pushed on that numerous times this week.
01:02:16.020 Sorry, no, yeah, sorry, I misunderstood.
01:02:18.520 Yeah, no, this campaign's about Donald Trump.
01:02:21.420 You know, it's been helpful to the Liberals
01:02:24.420 that Justin Trudeau left.
01:02:26.920 It's been helpful to them, Mark Carney's demeanor.
01:02:30.800 And his experience, you know,
01:02:34.360 there's been helpful things.
01:02:35.600 But the elephant in the room is Donald Trump.
01:02:39.040 That changed everything in a way
01:02:40.580 that's never happened in kidding politics before.
01:02:43.440 Like, you know, platforms, speeches, fundraising.
01:02:46.560 Those are all the normal things.
01:02:48.460 The thing that's not normal
01:02:49.960 is the president of the United States,
01:02:52.240 the most powerful person on earth,
01:02:54.040 saying that he wants to take us over.
01:02:55.680 And that's what's driven the vote.
01:02:58.300 That's what made the advance vote so high, I guarantee.
01:03:02.160 You know, that's what's got people anxious
01:03:04.440 and angry and upset and feeling betrayed.
01:03:07.700 That is what this election is about, is Donald Trump.
01:03:11.140 And all the other issues, quite frankly,
01:03:13.100 pale into insignificance.
01:03:15.460 And Tasha, as we heard this week from Donald Trump,
01:03:18.040 he actually took a couple of weeks off
01:03:19.540 from haranguing Canada a little bit here.
01:03:22.040 And as I mentioned, Mark Carney was kind of asked
01:03:24.060 about this 51st state rhetoric numerous times
01:03:26.220 in his original phone call back in March as well.
01:03:29.600 And, you know, it seems like there's, you know,
01:03:31.580 he said that he didn't bring it up,
01:03:32.960 but he said he respected Canadian sovereignty.
01:03:34.780 I'm not sure what to make of this.
01:03:36.520 There were a lot of people that saying
01:03:37.420 this could hurt Carney, I suppose.
01:03:38.940 What did you make of this entire situation?
01:03:41.480 Well, it's kind of like the platform.
01:03:43.200 It should hurt him a bit
01:03:44.340 because he didn't represent the truth.
01:03:46.300 He basically lied.
01:03:47.140 He said he respected Canadian sovereignty.
01:03:50.200 I'm sorry, if someone says it goes on a tear
01:03:52.420 about being the 51st state, that is not.
01:03:55.060 You cannot characterize that
01:03:56.440 as respecting Canadian sovereignty.
01:03:59.100 So it was a mischaracterization of that call.
01:04:03.460 You know, it goes not just to, you know,
01:04:06.540 the fact that Trump is still looking to gobble this up,
01:04:10.760 but it also goes to his political,
01:04:13.460 Carney's political instincts.
01:04:15.180 And, you know, what he was trying to do
01:04:19.100 by characterizing the call in the first place
01:04:20.760 as positive was to sort of show, I think,
01:04:22.960 that he was the guy to stand up to Trump.
01:04:24.500 To Warren's point, Trump's the issue.
01:04:26.660 But Trump's the issue, not just in the sense of,
01:04:28.980 oh, we're scared of Trump.
01:04:30.220 It's that we're scared of having,
01:04:31.440 some people are scared of having a leader
01:04:33.020 whom they associate with Trump
01:04:34.880 because the Canadians really despise Trump.
01:04:37.620 Polling shows that.
01:04:38.200 The people, you know, 75% of us
01:04:40.380 really don't like Trump.
01:04:42.040 But there are some people who do like him,
01:04:44.660 and those people are,
01:04:46.900 the majority of those people
01:04:48.060 are found in the Conservative Party.
01:04:50.600 And that's the problem for Polly
01:04:51.980 from the beginning,
01:04:52.920 is fighting Trump while keeping his base.
01:04:55.580 And that's why they didn't pivot.
01:04:56.840 That's why they didn't, you know,
01:04:57.960 move to that until much later in the campaign
01:05:00.220 when he started saying, you know,
01:05:01.360 Trump, you know,
01:05:02.460 hands off our country kind of thing.
01:05:03.920 It's that balancing act he had to do
01:05:07.140 that torched the Conservative campaign
01:05:09.040 and that made Liberal voters go,
01:05:11.020 you know, I just don't feel comfortable with that.
01:05:13.660 So Carney's comment, again,
01:05:15.760 it came in the last week.
01:05:17.540 A lot of people have already voted
01:05:18.780 and made up their minds.
01:05:19.720 I don't think it's going to change much.
01:05:21.720 And Carla, same kind of question, I suppose.
01:05:23.820 Just, you know,
01:05:24.340 it's something that could have hurt Carney as well.
01:05:26.140 But every time Trump comes up in the campaign,
01:05:27.660 it seems to also help the Liberals here.
01:05:29.700 Is there a chance that this could have,
01:05:31.360 you know, his characterization of this could hurt him
01:05:34.120 come voting day on Monday?
01:05:37.520 I don't think so.
01:05:38.680 I mean, although it does speak to his character
01:05:40.660 and, you know, he's done a few things like that,
01:05:42.980 you know, about Brookfield, for instance, his company
01:05:45.140 and the headquarters and tax havens
01:05:48.600 and so on and so forth.
01:05:49.600 I don't think it's hurting him
01:05:50.520 because, as Warren said,
01:05:51.820 when Trump comes into the campaign,
01:05:53.520 it helps the Liberals.
01:05:54.640 And to Dasher's point, I mean,
01:05:58.080 if you're not able to pivot on Trump
01:06:00.540 because you're afraid Maxim Bernier
01:06:02.080 is going to eat your lunch,
01:06:03.460 where do you go?
01:06:05.080 And that's been the problem
01:06:06.140 for the Conservatives, right?
01:06:07.700 So the thing, though,
01:06:10.100 I think Mark Carney,
01:06:10.940 when he was doing this,
01:06:13.380 mischaracterizing the call
01:06:15.000 and what Trump had said,
01:06:16.560 I think he was playing the long game.
01:06:18.040 I think he was playing the negotiation
01:06:20.060 at, you know,
01:06:21.540 game with Donald Trump.
01:06:23.380 He was not really thinking about the election.
01:06:25.120 And I'm told he was really angry
01:06:27.580 when the story first leaked out
01:06:28.940 with Radio-Canada
01:06:29.700 that he had, in fact,
01:06:31.340 brought up the 51st state.
01:06:33.340 And so, in that sense,
01:06:35.820 I think Carney is already looking ahead
01:06:38.540 after the election,
01:06:40.320 but it's coming so late
01:06:42.200 and it's helping the Liberals
01:06:43.300 no matter what.
01:06:44.140 And I wanted to quickly
01:06:46.720 just squeeze in some questions
01:06:47.940 about our NDP friends here.
01:06:49.440 And, Carl, obviously apt,
01:06:50.660 I want to start with you here
01:06:51.660 because I did notice
01:06:52.860 a little bit of a shift in tone
01:06:53.900 this week from NDP leader
01:06:54.860 Jagmeet Singh,
01:06:55.560 kind of, in some ways,
01:06:56.720 kind of going for the jugular
01:06:57.720 on Mark Carney,
01:06:58.500 saying, you know,
01:06:59.480 don't trust the Liberal,
01:07:01.640 even though he trusted Liberals
01:07:03.600 to have a supply
01:07:04.600 and confidence agreement.
01:07:05.880 But, no,
01:07:06.800 kind of going after Carney
01:07:07.620 as the frontrunner,
01:07:08.760 the messaging kind of being
01:07:09.940 that you can't trust
01:07:10.760 the Liberal leadership,
01:07:11.600 we would be a powerful opposition,
01:07:13.020 we're not talking about governing.
01:07:14.900 I just thought it was
01:07:15.860 a little bit of a change.
01:07:16.640 I don't know if you saw
01:07:17.340 a change in messaging,
01:07:18.260 but what are you seeing
01:07:19.540 from the NDP campaign right now
01:07:20.800 as it closes out
01:07:21.520 with possibly, you know,
01:07:22.800 Jagmeet Singh losing his seat
01:07:24.060 is a possibility
01:07:24.900 coming up tomorrow.
01:07:26.520 Yeah, there was a shift
01:07:27.640 in messaging
01:07:28.140 and the shift has happened
01:07:29.300 through the course
01:07:29.980 of the campaign,
01:07:30.520 but where was this
01:07:32.800 during the debates?
01:07:33.760 Like, he should have gone
01:07:34.580 after Carney during the debate.
01:07:35.920 He was not.
01:07:37.060 He was going after Paul Yev.
01:07:38.640 Contraproductive,
01:07:39.120 in my opinion.
01:07:41.080 Jagmeet Singh is,
01:07:42.080 and, you know,
01:07:43.340 François Blanchet
01:07:44.040 from the Bloc
01:07:44.480 has the similar message,
01:07:45.960 which is,
01:07:46.840 the Liberals are going to win,
01:07:48.060 we need to keep them
01:07:49.200 to a minority.
01:07:50.340 And it's not bad.
01:07:52.460 Now, some people say
01:07:53.580 you should have started
01:07:54.340 the campaign saying that.
01:07:56.340 There's a problem with that.
01:07:57.300 Like, if you start a campaign
01:07:58.380 doing that,
01:07:59.140 you're admitting defeat.
01:08:00.760 So why are you even running?
01:08:02.720 But, the shift in the middle
01:08:04.780 could have happened
01:08:06.200 a little sooner
01:08:06.800 and certainly in the debate,
01:08:08.620 Singh could have gone
01:08:09.240 after Carney more
01:08:10.600 and less about Paul Yev
01:08:11.820 because when you go
01:08:12.900 after Paul Yev,
01:08:13.820 you make him scary,
01:08:15.260 you know,
01:08:15.840 you drive votes
01:08:17.040 to the Liberals.
01:08:17.880 That's what Singh did.
01:08:19.440 That's what I was wondering,
01:08:20.380 too,
01:08:20.500 is where was this
01:08:21.020 during the debate?
01:08:21.580 Could this have started
01:08:22.220 a little bit earlier?
01:08:23.040 Does it change anything?
01:08:23.960 I'm not sure,
01:08:24.660 but Warren,
01:08:25.780 what do you think,
01:08:26.360 I guess,
01:08:26.860 the goal is for the NDP?
01:08:28.160 Is it just,
01:08:28.760 as we mentioned before,
01:08:29.620 or is it just saving
01:08:30.220 the furniture coming up
01:08:31.060 on Monday?
01:08:31.580 How do you think
01:08:32.060 they're going to perform?
01:08:33.980 They're done.
01:08:35.020 It's over.
01:08:36.060 Like, if they're
01:08:36.700 at six percentage points,
01:08:38.280 they're down to winning,
01:08:40.180 I don't know,
01:08:40.760 one, two, three seats.
01:08:42.820 You know,
01:08:43.140 they're going to lose
01:08:43.680 party status.
01:08:45.220 Their leader is going
01:08:46.040 to lose his seat
01:08:47.120 in British Columbia
01:08:48.120 and they are going
01:08:49.500 to cease to exist
01:08:50.480 as a force
01:08:51.260 in Canadian politics
01:08:52.880 for a while yet.
01:08:55.260 And I think the reason
01:08:56.220 for that is
01:08:57.700 Jagmeet Singh
01:08:58.800 got too close
01:09:00.000 to Justin Trudeau
01:09:01.540 and the controversy
01:09:03.560 and the unpopularity
01:09:05.160 of Justin Trudeau
01:09:05.840 got into him.
01:09:07.500 I think it was
01:09:08.960 a lot of bad strategy,
01:09:10.240 as Carl just pointed out.
01:09:12.020 During the debate,
01:09:12.880 I could not believe
01:09:13.740 my eyes
01:09:14.340 that Jagmeet Singh
01:09:15.240 was going after
01:09:16.280 Pierre Pollyet.
01:09:17.900 It's like,
01:09:18.400 who advised you
01:09:19.900 to do that?
01:09:21.220 What, like,
01:09:22.000 that's the threat.
01:09:23.120 The threat is Mark Carney.
01:09:25.280 Why weren't you
01:09:26.200 going after him?
01:09:26.920 Like, it's just
01:09:27.380 a whole number of things
01:09:28.460 the NDP have done
01:09:29.580 and they're about
01:09:30.460 to pay a very heavy
01:09:31.400 price tomorrow night
01:09:32.440 and, you know,
01:09:34.320 it's going to take them
01:09:35.740 some considerable time
01:09:36.800 to recover.
01:09:37.780 Well, interesting too,
01:09:39.000 Tasha,
01:09:39.240 because the collapse
01:09:39.940 of the NDP
01:09:40.440 has obviously hurt
01:09:41.280 the Conservatives
01:09:41.940 in ways that they
01:09:42.600 probably wouldn't
01:09:43.100 have imagined here,
01:09:44.000 but do you see
01:09:45.140 the NDP getting
01:09:45.940 some kind of jolt
01:09:46.920 or anything
01:09:47.400 from the final week
01:09:48.100 of campaigning here
01:09:48.800 with Jagmeet Singh
01:09:49.800 trying to position himself
01:09:50.940 as the best
01:09:51.860 opposition leader?
01:09:53.380 Where?
01:09:54.100 There's no jolt.
01:09:54.940 I mean,
01:09:55.300 it's just really,
01:09:56.280 the NDP's story here
01:09:58.040 is this arc of sadness.
01:09:59.560 They had an opportunity
01:10:00.420 and Singh even said it
01:10:01.660 this week.
01:10:02.460 They could have,
01:10:03.060 he was asking,
01:10:04.060 you know,
01:10:04.140 why didn't you bring
01:10:04.600 the government down?
01:10:05.400 Do you regret not
01:10:06.160 bringing the government
01:10:06.760 down in the fall?
01:10:07.960 And he basically said
01:10:08.980 that he's prevented
01:10:10.180 a conservative government.
01:10:11.460 It was like, you know,
01:10:11.920 throwing himself
01:10:12.500 on the fire
01:10:13.140 kind of thing
01:10:13.760 and he's part of the issue.
01:10:14.180 It's accomplished.
01:10:15.680 Yeah, well, exactly.
01:10:17.020 And then the debate,
01:10:18.120 I agree.
01:10:18.780 I mean,
01:10:18.880 it was to the point
01:10:19.380 where people were saying,
01:10:20.220 does he have a deal
01:10:20.780 with Carney?
01:10:21.520 Like, people were on X,
01:10:22.860 you know,
01:10:23.020 the trolls were all over this
01:10:24.320 going, look at him,
01:10:25.360 he's attacking Polyev
01:10:26.320 and every time Polyev spoke,
01:10:28.040 he would heckle
01:10:28.700 and interrupt
01:10:29.300 and I was trying
01:10:30.600 to figure this out too
01:10:31.440 and I was thinking,
01:10:31.880 what is that?
01:10:32.860 Is he just trying
01:10:33.640 to look like
01:10:35.120 a strong guy
01:10:36.680 or something
01:10:37.220 or was he trying
01:10:37.960 to get Polyev
01:10:38.660 to blow up on stage?
01:10:40.100 That was maybe his thing,
01:10:41.000 was trying to needle him enough
01:10:42.120 that he lost his cool
01:10:43.020 but that didn't happen.
01:10:44.300 But it was stupid
01:10:45.380 and Polyev though
01:10:46.360 took the bait
01:10:46.940 in the French debate.
01:10:47.780 That I didn't get either.
01:10:49.360 He ignored him
01:10:49.800 in the English
01:10:50.260 but in the French debate
01:10:51.260 he took the bait
01:10:52.040 and instead of debating Carney
01:10:53.940 debated Jagmeet Singh
01:10:55.280 and again,
01:10:56.540 the Conservatives
01:10:57.800 also made that mistake.
01:10:59.320 They've denigrated the NDP
01:11:00.380 for the last three years
01:11:01.620 as propping up the government.
01:11:02.960 They're terrible.
01:11:03.700 Well, now guess what?
01:11:05.040 The NDP's gone
01:11:05.960 and the vote split
01:11:07.280 you need isn't there
01:11:08.120 and that's why
01:11:09.080 the Conservatives,
01:11:09.800 big reason they're going to lose
01:11:10.860 is because
01:11:11.700 the NDP vote
01:11:12.720 has been crushed.
01:11:13.960 Yeah, I get the sense
01:11:15.580 it might be a little personal
01:11:16.440 between Singh and Polyev
01:11:17.500 but we'll leave it there
01:11:18.860 for this weekend.
01:11:20.140 Carl, Warren and Tasha
01:11:20.940 thanks so much
01:11:21.540 for your time.
01:11:22.760 Let's hope for everybody
01:11:23.920 comes out
01:11:24.580 and has a great
01:11:25.560 voting day on Monday.
01:11:27.120 Yeah, go vote.
01:11:28.320 Go vote.
01:11:29.580 Participation trophies
01:11:30.380 for everybody.
01:11:31.360 Thanks guys.
01:11:31.900 That is Carl Belanger
01:11:32.620 president of Traction Strategies.
01:11:34.340 Warren Kinsella
01:11:34.820 is a strategist
01:11:35.540 and Postmedia columnist.
01:11:36.480 You can read his latest
01:11:37.280 in the Toronto Sun.
01:11:38.480 Tasha Caridin
01:11:39.180 is a political columnist
01:11:40.120 for the National Post.
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