kinsellacast - May 18, 2025


KINSELLACAST 362: Hamas' banker cashes in - with Lilley, Kheiriddin, Belanger, Pierson, Batra plus Illuminati Hotties, Milk & Diesel and more


Episode Stats

Length

54 minutes

Words per Minute

150.00917

Word Count

8,175

Sentence Count

561

Misogynist Sentences

5

Hate Speech Sentences

11


Summary


Transcript

00:00:00.000 It's The Kinsella Cast, starring Warren Kinsella.
00:00:22.240 Hey, it's Warren Kinsella Cast.
00:00:25.200 We've got a good show for you this week.
00:00:28.820 I'm not going to say it's a great show or an excellent show.
00:00:32.240 I'm just going to say it's a good show.
00:00:34.060 It's a good show.
00:00:35.440 And you are here and I am here.
00:00:37.920 And we are together for this podcast.
00:00:41.640 So I've got Brian Lilly walking on the beach, being thoughtful,
00:00:48.440 talking about Donald Trump, who's an asshole,
00:00:52.140 and talking about Canadian politicians who may not be assholes,
00:00:56.280 but they may become assholes.
00:00:58.080 Who knows?
00:00:59.560 I've got the panel with Tasha Carradine, Carl Belanger.
00:01:04.200 I've got Adrian Batcher and I on with CFRA this week
00:01:11.340 with their panel with Alex Pearson.
00:01:14.940 And I always watch my P's and Q's when I'm on with Batcher
00:01:19.040 because she is, in fact, my editor.
00:01:20.480 But we do occasionally disagree.
00:01:24.280 And we've got John Mraz's back.
00:01:26.560 John is in a bad mood.
00:01:29.360 He's in a bleak and black space.
00:01:32.160 You'll hear it yourself at the tail end of the podcast.
00:01:36.640 And I said to him when we were done, are you okay?
00:01:39.360 Do you want me to put the discussion up?
00:01:43.400 He said, yeah.
00:01:44.820 It's what I'm thinking.
00:01:45.820 It's what I'm feeling.
00:01:46.540 I said, okay.
00:01:47.560 So I offer it up to all of you.
00:01:51.320 I also offer up to you some great music.
00:01:53.980 I've got Illuminati Hotties, a great band from L.A.
00:01:58.280 who I've played before.
00:01:59.240 They've been around since 2018.
00:02:01.480 I've got Ditz from Brighton.
00:02:04.260 Not Brighton, Ontario.
00:02:05.420 Brighton, England with their song Three.
00:02:07.780 They've been around since 2016.
00:02:09.480 Thummerset.
00:02:10.060 I've got kind of rock and roll happening this week.
00:02:13.640 Somerset Thrower from Long Island.
00:02:16.020 Never going to therapy.
00:02:17.520 Well, that's what we all say, isn't it?
00:02:19.440 Um, great tune.
00:02:22.440 And then Home Is Where is not the name of the song.
00:02:25.920 It's the name of the band.
00:02:27.460 Their song is called Migration Patterns.
00:02:30.160 It's kind of swampy country rock.
00:02:33.060 And, like, I was a big fan of R.E.M. in the early 80s
00:02:38.200 when I was in Ottawa finishing my journalism degree.
00:02:42.380 And, um, just like that swampy country rock sound
00:02:46.580 that R.E.M. had for those first four albums.
00:02:49.440 They kind of lost their way after that, in my opinion.
00:02:52.380 Okay, maybe the first five albums.
00:02:54.400 But after that, they weren't,
00:02:56.080 they didn't do it for me quite so much.
00:02:58.260 But anyway, Home Is Where, kind of interesting.
00:03:01.400 And, um, I think I may play Wednesday again
00:03:04.840 with Bath County.
00:03:07.000 But I, I, maybe I played this before.
00:03:10.620 I, I'm losing my mind.
00:03:12.240 I think, you know, I've, I've played stuff
00:03:15.600 and I forget that I've played it for you.
00:03:17.720 And, anyway, Martin, who's out there
00:03:21.220 and always checks very carefully the musical offerings,
00:03:24.680 he will let me know if I've done anything wrong.
00:03:28.580 Did Mark Carney do anything wrong this week?
00:03:31.340 Um, I think so.
00:03:33.560 You know, he had 24 newcomers for his cabinet
00:03:36.500 that he released upon, um, an expectant, expectant,
00:03:43.460 expectorating country this week.
00:03:46.240 And they sure weren't experienced.
00:03:47.920 Like, none of them had helped to manage a big organization
00:03:50.380 like the government of Canada before.
00:03:52.700 Not one of them.
00:03:53.400 Um, and so, to me, it felt like a change in political party,
00:03:58.780 not just a change at a cabinet level.
00:04:02.320 Lots of uncertainty for him, I predicted.
00:04:05.480 And we don't know a lot about these newcomers.
00:04:08.720 Thirteen of them had never even been a member of parliament.
00:04:11.900 So we don't even have their record as an MP
00:04:14.320 to predict how they'll do.
00:04:15.900 But the early indications are not good.
00:04:19.820 Shafak, Shafak Ali, I apologize if I've pronounced his name wrong,
00:04:25.180 is now the president of the Treasury Board.
00:04:26.720 He's essentially the manager for the financial affairs of the government.
00:04:30.300 And all we know about him is he voted
00:04:32.740 when he was going in the bathroom at the House of Commons.
00:04:37.100 Um, virtually, he did that.
00:04:39.820 And he was endorsed by this wildly anti-Israel lobby group.
00:04:44.380 So, not good.
00:04:45.140 Julie DeBruzan, Toronto.
00:04:48.420 She's the new minister of the environment.
00:04:51.420 And, you know, environmental policies in the West, where I'm from,
00:04:54.700 have made the government pretty unpopular out there.
00:04:58.280 And DeBruzan, like my view, has always been,
00:05:01.700 she may be a very nice person, but she's a new Democrat.
00:05:04.180 She's actually not a liberal.
00:05:06.060 That could spell trouble.
00:05:08.100 Um, there's some good stuff, though.
00:05:10.580 Mandy Gull Musty is from northern Quebec.
00:05:13.720 She's the new minister of indigenous services.
00:05:16.000 Big role.
00:05:17.200 And she was previously the grand chief of the Grand Council of the Crees.
00:05:21.180 So, she knows what she's doing.
00:05:22.660 Tim Hodgson, minister of energy.
00:05:24.480 He was a Goldman Sachs.
00:05:25.680 Uh, former armed forces guy.
00:05:28.960 Um, you know, he's pro-energy.
00:05:32.740 Uh, need that.
00:05:34.560 Uh, we've got Heath McDonald from PEI, new minister of agriculture.
00:05:37.960 He's got experience as a minister at the provincial level,
00:05:41.680 but we don't know how he's going to do at an important file like agriculture federally.
00:05:47.560 Um, uh, anyway, there's a bunch of people like that, um,
00:05:52.440 who I've never heard of, and perhaps you haven't either,
00:05:55.120 at the Secretary of State level.
00:05:57.200 So, basically, these are junior ministers who will only occasionally attend cabinet meetings.
00:06:02.380 There are many more new faces.
00:06:04.220 You've got Hannah Ganey, John Zerichelli, uh, who's a friend from, uh, Provincial Liberal days,
00:06:10.260 Natalie Provo, Wayne Long.
00:06:12.640 I thought Wayne Long was quite interesting.
00:06:14.220 He's from New Brunswick.
00:06:15.120 He was the number one critic of Justin Trudeau.
00:06:17.780 He looked like he was on his way out, and Carney's put him in cabinet.
00:06:23.580 So, anyway, all of this stuff taken together, I think it represents big, big change,
00:06:27.920 and that was one of his messages during the election campaign, of course.
00:06:31.820 You know, he said, uh, over and over,
00:06:34.060 I am not Justin Trudeau, and he sure isn't.
00:06:38.180 For all the criticism that Trudeau received about too much change, too fast,
00:06:43.560 he was far more cautious with cabinet shuffles.
00:06:46.380 I mean, comparative terms, I think Mark Carney has unleashed, like, a revolution,
00:06:51.880 because this wasn't just a cabinet shuffle, I think.
00:06:54.240 I think it was a cabinet earthquake.
00:07:02.780 The zipper's broken on my favorite hoodie.
00:07:06.520 At 24, I'm somehow making rookie mistakes.
00:07:09.960 Just the other day, I'll ask who we kick it.
00:07:12.820 You looked away and kept your answer encrypted.
00:07:16.380 I made a habit out of shuffling savings.
00:07:19.640 And standing toe-to-toe, I think we're faking it.
00:07:22.800 Fine, I guess my invite was a spiritual error.
00:07:25.940 A restitution via PayPal and pressure.
00:07:29.180 I could probably use a fourth job.
00:07:32.440 I'm stuck with paying it all off.
00:07:36.180 I'm stuck with paying it all off.
00:07:41.180 Oh, I'm faking it all off.
00:07:50.440 Oh, I'm faking it all off.
00:07:56.180 You said you hate it when I try and be funny.
00:07:59.700 Cause every joke I make is coming out runny.
00:08:02.860 Wrong.
00:08:03.240 Tried to apologize and put it on my tab.
00:08:06.220 Cheated the friends we brought to Stella and Cognac
00:08:09.660 All this emotional debt's gotten so lost
00:08:15.040 I'm stuck with playing it off
00:08:19.960 I'm playing it off
00:08:26.600 I'm playing it off
00:08:36.220 I'm playing it off
00:08:53.280 I'm playing it off
00:08:59.920 I'm playing it off
00:09:06.640 I'm playing it off
00:09:13.920 I'm playing it off
00:09:17.920 And we're back
00:09:22.100 And in the background you can hear the sound of a gentle breeze, maybe some water lapping the shores, but apparently where Brian Lilly is right now, this weekend, you cannot hear black flies or mosquitoes.
00:09:36.200 And I don't know how he's pulled that off, but he has.
00:09:39.480 And look, all I'm happy about is that I'm not hearing construction noise at 7 a.m., which is what I get at home.
00:09:46.420 I'm not hearing nonstop sirens or crazy people out on the crazy and or drunk stone people out on the street in the middle of the night screaming, fuck you!
00:09:56.920 Yeah, we should talk about that.
00:09:58.240 Over and over again.
00:09:59.920 But that's my life in Toronto.
00:10:01.380 You live in a downtown city, that's what you got.
00:10:04.340 Well, you're very lucky.
00:10:05.380 I was up at my cabin where you have been and stayed and getting the boats in the water.
00:10:12.500 And the black flies and mosquitoes were wearing biker jackets and driving Harleys.
00:10:16.860 Here on Georgian Bay, I'm a bit up from Wasaga Beach, up in tiny.
00:10:26.520 I've seen no one pooping on the beach.
00:10:29.460 But Ontario Premier Doug Ford, for people that are from Ontario that know Wasaga Beach, Doug Ford made a great – this isn't on our agenda, but let me just make the pitch because I grew up loving Wasaga Beach.
00:10:40.460 He made an announcement on Friday.
00:10:43.240 He's going to make Wasaga great again.
00:10:45.100 I think he'd hate me using those words.
00:10:48.120 But a place was devastated by a fire a bunch of years ago.
00:10:51.620 It's the longest freshwater beach in the world, and they're investing money to bring tourism back to the area and make – like, part of the reason people were pooping on the beach, no public toilets.
00:11:02.220 That and weird other stuff.
00:11:04.560 Yeah, don't poop on the beach, folks, wherever you are.
00:11:06.980 Be pooping on the beach.
00:11:08.220 Yeah, not good.
00:11:09.480 So, pooping on the beach, I think, is a good segue, but also a good metaphor for what the Carney Liberals did this week, their first week.
00:11:19.260 And, you know, let's do a summary.
00:11:20.980 You had Stephen Giegbo not staying in his lane.
00:11:23.980 You had the Minister of Housing saying prices shouldn't come down for housing.
00:11:28.080 You had the Minister of Finance saying no budget for a year.
00:11:31.200 You had – oh, yeah, and then you had the Minister of Global Affairs basically regurgitating Hamas talking points.
00:11:39.080 Did I miss anything?
00:11:41.800 No, no.
00:11:42.620 And that – you know, so Wednesday they had a good launch.
00:11:45.500 They had their cabinet announcement.
00:11:47.740 And, you know, there were a lot of people like myself, like yourself, looking at and saying, okay, here's the good, the bad, and the ugly, as with every cabinet.
00:11:54.780 I said at the time there's some good appointments, like Kim Hodgson, who's going to be the Minister of Energy and Natural Resources, a guy who actually wants to get things built at a time when we need to get things built.
00:12:07.520 He made some good noises, and the next day Stephen Giegbo comes out and poops on the beach with his – no, we don't need more pipelines.
00:12:15.920 And, by the way, we're going to be at peak oil in two years, and so we don't need to, you know, have any more oil projects.
00:12:22.900 Because peak oil is something that environmental zealots, like Giebo – and look, we all want clean water, we all want clean air, beautiful, pristine land, but –
00:12:36.900 I lost you.
00:12:43.040 I lost you.
00:12:44.520 Just say again.
00:12:45.380 Well, no, no, this time it's coming.
00:12:47.260 Well, you're going to have to start again from but – we lost you completely.
00:12:51.800 Wherever you are on the poop-free beach.
00:12:54.420 So you said but – you talked about energy projects, then but –
00:12:59.800 So you missed my whole rant about Stephen Giebo?
00:13:04.480 Yeah, pretty much.
00:13:05.960 Uneven, Stephen.
00:13:06.880 So give it to us.
00:13:07.580 All right.
00:13:08.540 So Hodgson comes out, makes some good noises.
00:13:11.640 Then Stephen Giebo comes out and starts saying that, you know, we don't need any more pipelines.
00:13:17.340 And we don't need more oil because we're about to hit peak oil in two years, which means demand for oil will plummet.
00:13:24.100 This is a claim that people like Giebo have been making for years, generations, that we're suddenly going to stop needing oil.
00:13:32.720 So it has never come to fruition.
00:13:35.340 And every time we pass their deadline, they just move it.
00:13:39.980 And so it's just his excuse for keeping everything in the ground.
00:13:43.880 But I just want to get your sense of the cabinet.
00:13:46.180 Like, my take was this is – you've got a lot of rookies here.
00:13:50.460 They're going to make mistakes.
00:13:51.420 And they started making mistakes right away.
00:13:53.680 Was that your take?
00:13:54.320 But it wasn't the rookies.
00:13:54.920 It wasn't the rookies making mistakes.
00:13:56.500 See, I don't think Anand's making a mistake.
00:14:01.460 I think that Mark Carney is in line with Melanie Jolie, is in line with Anita Anand and moving Canada closer to the Hamas position.
00:14:14.220 So those were not the rookie mistakes.
00:14:16.820 Gregor Robertson, rookie federal minister, but he was mayor of Vancouver.
00:14:21.620 He was also mayor of Vancouver when he drove housing prices more than doubled.
00:14:25.880 And, of course, municipal governments have the greatest responsibility for the housing sector.
00:14:31.180 So, look, it started out good.
00:14:33.300 And this is the worst week I've seen for any cabinet ever.
00:14:39.360 But I've done more than 25 years.
00:14:41.460 Yeah.
00:14:41.740 No, it was really, really bad.
00:14:43.740 The Tories, meanwhile, have made themselves a very, very, very small – like Elmer Fudd used to say, very small target.
00:14:52.440 And Pierre Poliev has kind of disappeared.
00:14:55.220 And I'm hearing that he's making appropriately humble-sounding noises and kind of learning his lesson.
00:15:03.260 What was your take of how he has been handling the past few days?
00:15:06.560 When he came out Wednesday after the cabinet for a short reaction to it, and he wasn't all hammer and tall.
00:15:15.000 He said that he would work with them when they proposed good ideas.
00:15:19.060 He encouraged them to steal his ideas.
00:15:21.200 And all the reporters noted a different tone.
00:15:24.740 Didn't last very long, not the tone, the time.
00:15:27.720 He was maybe out 12 minutes.
00:15:31.160 And then he had a – I think some people ran into him after the disastrous comments.
00:15:36.860 And he had a brief comment on that.
00:15:38.860 Other than that, it's been a very different Poliev.
00:15:42.620 I'm told that he, as well, that he has been reaching out, that he – there is an attempt to set up a meeting with Doug Ford.
00:15:50.480 Ford, I suggested they go to Ford's favorite Etobicoke Italian restaurant, Postaccino.
00:15:56.020 And a friend of mine said, no, they've got to go fishing.
00:15:59.700 And that way you're stuck in a boat for four hours and you have to actually talk and no one can say, oh, you know what, it's been 45 minutes.
00:16:08.140 I've got to run.
00:16:09.160 Sit in the boat for four hours and actually talk and sort things out.
00:16:12.600 Well, always keep in mind, though, there is the possibility of somebody being thrown overboard.
00:16:18.660 That's been known to happen, too.
00:16:20.400 What about the NDP?
00:16:22.780 You know, Don Davies of this non-party party is supposed to be the leader.
00:16:27.320 Then all of a sudden we started to hear people, including from, you know, Jenny Kwan, who's like a big, big name in the NDP circles, saying, not so fast.
00:16:36.600 We don't like how this was – how it happened.
00:16:38.740 And we weren't consulted.
00:16:39.940 What's going on with the NDP?
00:16:42.600 I'm going to take you back to your student council days.
00:16:46.040 What do you Democrats like better than anything?
00:16:48.560 Fighting over process, right?
00:16:52.900 And you can see it at City Hall.
00:16:54.920 You can see it at student council.
00:16:57.140 You see it here.
00:16:58.340 I don't know what their process is other than they love to debate it and argue about it.
00:17:04.200 They're a party of, what, seven?
00:17:06.120 They can fit in a single vehicle.
00:17:08.040 They are the minivan party federally.
00:17:10.080 It's – there's going to be a bun fight over the future of the party in a little while.
00:17:18.560 Avi Lewis looking at it.
00:17:20.040 By all accounts, everyone tells me he's a really nice guy, but he's super left.
00:17:25.400 Leap manifesto type.
00:17:26.760 So smart guy, affable guy, extreme left, is that the direction the party's going to go in?
00:17:34.140 I don't know.
00:17:35.140 Don Davies, I don't think, will be the future face of the party.
00:17:39.460 He would fit in with Anita Anand and Melody Jolie and Mark Carney on the Hamas front, though.
00:17:43.880 Yeah, I know.
00:17:46.180 These guys, they've got to get their act together or they will be irrelevant.
00:17:49.920 Avi is a friend, full disclosure, and I was on his show for many years.
00:17:54.780 Very smart guy.
00:17:55.960 Funny guy.
00:17:57.280 But he seems to have lost his sense of humor since he joined the body politics.
00:18:01.520 So, anyway, God bless him if he takes up that job.
00:18:04.840 That happened to another guy you worked with, Michael Ignatius.
00:18:07.500 Oh, yeah, that one.
00:18:08.380 I forgot about him.
00:18:09.720 That's what I try to put out of my memory.
00:18:11.240 Final thing, I just got back from Israel.
00:18:15.300 You've been writing some very stirring stuff about what's been going on on the issue of Israel and anti-Israelism and anti-Semitism.
00:18:26.460 We had another terrible, terrible event in Toronto, marching down major streets in Toronto,
00:18:32.260 and people sitting on restaurant patios being attacked and subjected to abuse and the police doing nothing.
00:18:42.240 And, you know, we've got then the President of the United States accepting a multimillion-dollar gift from the banker of Hamas.
00:18:50.840 And Israel's looking, to me, pretty alone these days.
00:18:54.860 Wanted to get your take on it as well.
00:18:56.420 Well, on the incident that happened in Toronto, Mayor Chow views the people that do those sorts of things as her crazies.
00:19:04.640 Thankfully, Toronto police did make an arrest after the fact, and they did intervene after a bit of time where people were harassing, you know,
00:19:12.680 people just trying to have a meal on a patio in nice weather.
00:19:16.160 They didn't intervene after a bit of time.
00:19:18.320 But Mayor Chow views them as her crazies, and she knows they vote for her.
00:19:24.100 Mayor Demkew knows that those people vote for her, and he takes his marching orders from Mayor Chow.
00:19:29.820 I don't care what people say.
00:19:31.600 Yes, politicians do direct police.
00:19:33.660 And it's clear in this instance, Police Chief Demkew is a horribly weak leader, and I've been calling for him to go for well over a year.
00:19:42.960 It's always fun when I bump into him in hallways or at events.
00:19:47.680 Nice, awkward situations.
00:19:49.200 As far as Donald Trump and the Qatari jet, I'll say two things.
00:19:55.460 If you weren't screaming about Qatar funding the American university system and turning places like Colombia into little Hamas outposts over the past few years,
00:20:09.200 then you should sit this one out.
00:20:11.040 If you thought it was just fine that they did that, sit this one out.
00:20:13.660 So I was screaming about that, and I will join Ben Shapiro in saying, this is greasy, and it's unacceptable, and it's got to stop.
00:20:25.360 The President of the United States should be able to go to the front of the line with Boeing and say, we need a jet.
00:20:30.820 Yeah.
00:20:31.880 Like, that should be it.
00:20:33.520 He shouldn't be taking this.
00:20:36.300 It's so weird and bizarre.
00:20:39.300 Qatar, but, you know, Qatar, 40, what is it, 40 million for this jet, but it's been billions into the U.S. educational system.
00:20:50.720 They are the bankrollers of not only Hamas, but they are, I've had some terrorism experts tell me they are more coercive than Iran.
00:21:02.620 If some of what Trump is doing can bring them into our side and not be doing that, okay, that's good, and sometimes diplomacy is greasy and weird.
00:21:15.740 But the jet thing?
00:21:17.040 No.
00:21:17.580 Hell no.
00:21:18.560 Yeah.
00:21:18.900 No, it looks plenty bad, and, you know, I just don't think we should be doing trucker trade or the Americans with Hamas's banker,
00:21:27.920 because that is, as you point out, in fact, what Qatar is.
00:21:32.860 One of the guys that I met when I was in Israel a year and a half ago is the guy who took the first payment that came from the Qataris.
00:21:41.480 He was a high-level officer in the Israeli army.
00:21:45.200 His job was to take the first payments and hand it over to Hamas, and then he continued to do that.
00:21:51.980 Like, there was, and they thought it was the right thing at the time, and obviously it turned into be a horrible thing.
00:22:03.020 But, yeah, he's also the guy that looked at us when he found out we were taking thousands of unvetted people from Gaza,
00:22:09.760 and his eyes bugged out and said, are you crazy?
00:22:12.840 What's the matter with you guys?
00:22:14.400 Well, it's never dull.
00:22:15.820 We thought maybe with the election over, things would maybe get a little bit quiet, but they're not.
00:22:20.300 But in tiny township, walking on the beach, Brian Lilly is at least enjoying some calm and quiet before we get back at it.
00:22:27.540 So enjoy yourself.
00:22:28.580 Enjoy the long weekend.
00:22:29.960 Have a great week.
00:22:31.320 Talk soon.
00:22:31.800 Planet and orgasm.
00:22:47.980 Give me your thoughts out of claws.
00:22:54.360 Your lids half closed.
00:22:56.760 Your mouth ajar.
00:22:58.080 Singing praises in only vowels.
00:23:05.080 Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah.
00:23:07.940 Ah, oh, oh, oh, oh.
00:23:12.360 Give me your thoughts and applause.
00:23:16.320 The ecstasy of your sunshine.
00:23:21.260 More grimaced than smile.
00:23:24.080 Only gods will cry.
00:23:26.160 Planet and orgasm.
00:23:31.160 Give me your thoughts and applause.
00:23:37.160 Your lids half closed.
00:23:39.860 And your mouth ajar.
00:23:43.020 Singing praises in only vowels.
00:23:48.160 Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah.
00:23:51.160 Ah, ah, ah, ah.
00:23:53.160 Give me your thoughts and applause.
00:23:54.160 Give me your thoughts and applause.
00:23:58.160 The ecstasy of your sunshine.
00:24:00.160 The ecstasy of your sunshine.
00:24:02.160 While grimaced than smile.
00:24:06.160 Only gods will cry.
00:24:08.160 The ecstasy ofSubstasy of the earth.
00:24:09.160 The ecstasy of the earth.
00:24:09.620 We'll be right back.
00:24:39.620 We'll be right back.
00:25:09.620 We'll be right back.
00:25:39.620 We'll be right back.
00:26:09.620 We'll be right back.
00:26:39.640 You had a minister of global affairs basically echoing Hamas talking points.
00:26:46.880 You had a new minister of housing saying that housing prices wouldn't go down and shouldn't go down.
00:26:54.140 You had a minister of finance saying he wasn't going to deign to give us a budget for many months until after the summit.
00:27:01.900 It was messy.
00:27:31.920 We had a new conversation this week.
00:27:33.880 Maybe these guys need some micromanaging because it was not a good start.
00:27:38.740 It's very interesting.
00:27:39.780 I want to return back to that budget.
00:27:41.020 But the two-tiered cabinet system is kind of interesting, I suppose.
00:27:45.680 But, Carl, I guess your takeaways from either the cabinet makeup or, I guess, their ability to communicate this week.
00:27:52.380 Well, Mark Carney saw the mirage when he pretended he was different than Justin Trudeau.
00:27:58.260 You know, his cabinet at first, his first iteration before the election was shrunk, signaling that he was going in a different direction.
00:28:08.060 But here we are today with basically 39, you know, which is the same as Justin Trudeau had before, if you include the parliamentary secretaries, which are basically ministers without the title.
00:28:20.440 So they have the same number.
00:28:50.420 And then you add to that the fact, the decision that weren't mentioned about the budget, which to me means that this government is following true with the Justin Trudeau budgetary policies.
00:29:04.480 That's what's been adopted.
00:29:05.920 That's what's in place right now.
00:29:07.460 So, you know, you make a change here and there and you try to get the ways in means motion.
00:29:11.220 But the budgetary policies in place right now are the ones that were in place under Justin Trudeau.
00:29:17.840 A little bit like some new paint on an old house in many ways.
00:29:21.300 Tasha, just in terms of the cabinet makeup, I know there's been talk.
00:29:24.920 Warren mentioned a couple of points there.
00:29:26.800 Just, you know, Gregor Robertson has faced some criticism.
00:29:29.440 Stephen Guilbeau, for some reason, couldn't.
00:29:31.680 He took the bait, I suppose, in terms of pipeline questions as well.
00:29:36.120 But any takeaways for you from cabinet this week?
00:29:39.400 Yeah, I echo my colleague's statement.
00:29:42.620 It was disappointing.
00:29:44.160 It had been a disappointing first week, especially on the not releasing a budget, which I really believe was a purely political exercise.
00:29:52.740 Carney did not want to have to deal with the fact that he does have a minority, even if it's only two seats.
00:29:57.940 He would have had to talk to the opposition parties.
00:30:00.540 He would have had to strike some kind of deal.
00:30:03.060 He didn't want to do that.
00:30:05.300 You know, not wanting to do that, it's basically, well, it's getting what you want without having to deal with parliament.
00:30:13.200 Sounds kind of familiar, doesn't it?
00:30:14.740 Kind of not like wanting to deal with the legislature.
00:30:16.960 Gee, who does that?
00:30:17.840 And then, you know, he did the signing of an official order, like Trump does.
00:30:22.880 Again, you know, sitting there signing off on tax cuts symbolically, even though he has no authority to do that.
00:30:29.300 That was a clip they used in social media.
00:30:31.560 A lot of people seized on that, too.
00:30:33.840 You know, for someone who ran against being like Donald Trump or against what Donald Trump stood for,
00:30:39.080 a very curious way to exercise your authority.
00:30:41.240 With regard to Gilbo, yeah, Gilbo also stepped out and contradicted Carney on the pipelines issue,
00:30:49.140 saying, you know, we're going to hit peak oil in 2028.
00:30:51.980 I love when people say they know when we're hitting peak oil.
00:30:54.460 But there he was, mousing off on that.
00:30:57.020 And, of course, Alberta got all crazy.
00:31:00.020 The new environment minister, Julie DeBruson, also is very hard left on the environment, anti-fossil fuels.
00:31:06.820 So those choices, as well as Hodgson, who's the energy minister, has a great pedigree in electrification in Ontario,
00:31:14.060 but has no background in fossil fuels either.
00:31:17.120 So that trio, now the West is obviously upset.
00:31:20.480 Daniel Smith, Alberta, the separatists are feeling their oats.
00:31:24.240 It's setting up more of a confrontation.
00:31:26.720 So, yeah, it was a disappointing first week.
00:31:29.200 Were you surprised?
00:31:30.020 Go on.
00:31:31.880 Fighting about pipelines is now becoming part of Canadian identity.
00:31:36.820 It really was.
00:31:38.300 It almost felt personal in some ways.
00:31:39.900 I don't know.
00:31:40.160 The ego was just going there.
00:31:41.860 Oh, and there was one we forgot.
00:31:44.100 There was one more.
00:31:45.120 Yeah, go on.
00:31:45.520 There's quite a lister.
00:31:47.160 It was the lifting of the retaliatory tariffs in the dead of night during the election
00:31:52.540 when the rest of us thought that they were still being imposed.
00:31:55.560 There are reports that they lifted, Carney lifted the retaliatory tariffs and didn't tell anybody.
00:32:03.380 And, like, that's kind of a big one as well.
00:32:05.480 You see, and I thought I had remembered him mentioning that during the debate as well,
00:32:08.880 so I was a little bit confused by all the kind of talking points on that this week.
00:32:12.020 But I want to go back to Guibo on this.
00:32:15.640 Warren, I'll ask you just on that point.
00:32:17.400 Was this just kind of a political rookie mistake here, right?
00:32:20.100 This isn't his file.
00:32:21.420 He's part of a new government that's trying to change the message,
00:32:23.400 dealing with kind of separatist rhetoric at the same time.
00:32:25.680 I can't reiterate how silly it was to kind of respond to something like this.
00:32:32.800 Well, he's not a new minister.
00:32:34.480 He's not a newbie.
00:32:35.400 He's uneven, Steven, as I like to call him.
00:32:38.000 And he can't stay in his own lane.
00:32:40.760 So if you're the new minister of energy, you know, you're going to be pretty ticked off
00:32:46.200 that this guy steps up to a microphone and starts talking about your files on the first day.
00:32:51.540 So it's not his job anymore, thankfully, and he needs to back off
00:32:57.560 because, you know, Carney himself was giving interviews, CTV,
00:33:02.860 I think within the same news cycle, saying the exact opposite, saying the exact opposite.
00:33:09.320 So again, like all of this stuff that he stitched together with Tasha and Carl and I are saying,
00:33:14.460 like it was a bad first week.
00:33:16.340 Like it was really messy.
00:33:17.820 If they had done something like this during the election campaign,
00:33:20.760 I'm not sure they would have won it.
00:33:22.520 Like it was really poorly done in communications terms.
00:33:26.260 And Polioff took no time at all in kind of incorporating what Guibo had said into an attack
00:33:32.100 and fairly easily one that just kind of dropped into his lap there.
00:33:35.880 I want to go back to the budget for a second.
00:33:37.580 And Carl here, I heard this week from former parliamentary budget officer Kevin Page.
00:33:43.420 So he was saying, you know, it would be difficult to get a budget down right now, but it can be done.
00:33:47.420 And he actually pointed to the Bank of Canada, which would be, you know, a former employer of Mark Carney,
00:33:53.280 to say that they've been doing this since the start of this tariff war, right?
00:33:56.000 They've been putting out these policy documents with all of these things and possibilities.
00:34:00.040 Is this just kind of a political excuse right now to not get something on the paper?
00:34:03.660 I think it is, because the fact is that the budget consultation process was undertaken before the election
00:34:12.340 and completed during the election.
00:34:14.940 So that part was done.
00:34:17.580 The policies that were in place were being adopted, like adapted for a budgetary document throughout the election.
00:34:24.620 And from, you know, both the conservative and the liberal point of view, the Privy Council Office,
00:34:30.040 as a responsibility and a mandate to make sure that when the new government comes in,
00:34:34.480 they can implement their vision and they can do it quickly.
00:34:38.640 You could have tabled the budget this spring, no problem.
00:34:42.060 The machine of the government is ready for that eventuality.
00:34:46.040 Of course it's ready.
00:34:46.860 It's like they don't know that there's a budget every year.
00:34:49.260 Of course there's a budget every year, and during the election, every time a policy dropped
00:34:53.280 from one of the parties that could aspire to form government,
00:34:56.640 they were drafting papers and options to see how we could move this forward
00:35:02.020 if that party was coming into government.
00:35:04.840 So I agree with Tasha that it is a political decision.
00:35:08.760 They do not want to give any leverage to the parties that have the balance of power,
00:35:14.200 and they have three parties that could play along.
00:35:17.720 They don't want to go back and forth.
00:35:18.880 They don't want to negotiate.
00:35:19.940 They don't want to deal with anything.
00:35:21.600 But at the same time, they don't want to be seen as if they are governing with a majority,
00:35:26.040 so therefore it's much easier not to have a budget from a political standpoint.
00:35:30.980 And Warren, I guess further to that point as well,
00:35:32.940 it becomes, I guess, less of facing a first confidence motion here,
00:35:36.020 but you would also think that, you know, fresh out of an election,
00:35:38.480 that's where you have kind of your most power.
00:35:40.120 People don't want to go back to the polls.
00:35:41.480 Do you think this is to avoid some kind of confidence votes?
00:35:44.260 What do you kind of see as the strategy in not releasing a budget here?
00:35:48.880 I think it's a bit of arrogance, and it surprises me that we're seeing this from Champagne,
00:35:55.200 from Frankie Bubbles, because he usually has a pretty good ear for these things.
00:36:01.300 So, you know, we don't know if PMO said to him,
00:36:04.560 well, you know, having a budget a year ago is good enough.
00:36:08.140 You know, we don't know what the rationale is here, and that's a big part of the problem.
00:36:14.680 If you haven't had a budget for a year in an instance where the country is facing an economic existential threat
00:36:22.400 and we're being hammered by tariffs and this hostile force to the South,
00:36:27.080 we need to have a budget.
00:36:28.340 We need to know what the financial picture is of the country.
00:36:31.100 We need to know the fundamentals so decision-making can be made.
00:36:35.600 You know, the federal government isn't just the beneficiary of having a budget.
00:36:39.220 The province is needed as well in order that they can do their planning
00:36:42.960 and they can do their budgetary forecasts, and we're not getting that.
00:36:47.220 And it is a really unusual situation.
00:36:50.060 I can't remember when we've gone this long without a federal budget.
00:36:55.100 You know, even during the pandemic, when everything shut down, we were still having budgetary statements,
00:37:01.060 and we're still getting a sense of what the financial status is of the government of Canada.
00:37:06.120 This year, this government, we're not getting that.
00:37:09.500 Yeah, I referenced Kevin Page earlier.
00:37:10.980 He had said he hopes at minimum that they'll put out some kind of, you know, debt and deficit position.
00:37:15.140 At least we know where we're kind of standing right now.
00:37:17.000 But to your point, government departments also need to be funded for the rest of this year as well.
00:37:21.180 So Parliament is needed for that.
00:37:23.040 We'll see how that kind of shakes out in the next little while ahead of a throne speech to return Parliament here.
00:37:28.160 Just changing gears a little bit here.
00:37:30.080 We did hear from the leader of the Conservative Party this week, the opposition, Pierre Polyev.
00:37:34.060 He had been pretty quiet since he lost his election or lost his seat.
00:37:36.900 He's waiting for a by-election, of course, in Alberta.
00:37:40.120 We did hear a couple of, as you mentioned, press conferences this week, kind of weighing in on liberal decisions, of course.
00:37:45.480 Tasha, I'll start with you on this one.
00:37:46.720 Did you notice any kind of substantive change in Polyev?
00:37:50.680 Or was it kind of much the same we saw during the election campaign?
00:37:53.660 I noticed a few more smiles and things like that.
00:37:55.800 But a lot of the messaging seemed very similar.
00:37:59.140 I noticed quite a change, actually.
00:38:01.640 A change both in tone.
00:38:03.340 He definitely did it with more smiling.
00:38:04.900 But it was more measured.
00:38:07.260 It's the word I would use.
00:38:08.440 He was not as aggressive, vitriolic, you know, snappy.
00:38:12.540 He was more measured in the way he spoke.
00:38:16.440 It was almost a bit odd, I will say.
00:38:18.920 I just, you know, because we're not used to that.
00:38:21.060 So the question is, is that who he was all along?
00:38:24.960 There's occasions during the campaign where he was more like that.
00:38:27.900 At Tout Le Monde en Pal in Montreal, he was on Radio Canada.
00:38:30.920 He gave a performance, you want to call it that, on that show.
00:38:34.460 So a bit like that, more affable, if the word is, but also more measured in his tone.
00:38:42.280 But he also, with his words, he did not use, he used some of his stock phrases, but not as much.
00:38:48.140 He peppered them in, but it wasn't, you know, lost liberal decade five times in a row, which is what we heard before.
00:38:54.560 So I think he's shifting, and I think it's in response, naturally, not only to the loss of the election, but to the loss of his seat,
00:39:03.640 and the fact that, you know, there is so much grumbling and misery among conservative ranks,
00:39:09.420 saying, you know, how did we get 41% still loose?
00:39:12.280 How did we get to this place where the liberals are in again, essentially, with almost a majority?
00:39:19.340 This is not the result that we bargained for, and they're looking to him,
00:39:22.820 because he was the only thing in the window during this election.
00:39:25.540 So he wears it, and he looked like he was wearing it in those press conferences.
00:39:30.520 Yeah, I did notice, he seemed like he was trying to be more affable with the media as well,
00:39:33.940 in terms of answering some questions as well.
00:39:35.780 That is something that did stand out to me.
00:39:37.580 Carl, did anything kind of stand out to you, hearing from the leader of the opposition this week?
00:39:42.640 Yeah, I mean, there's definitely a shift of tone and a shift in demeanor,
00:39:46.440 and I think that's a good thing.
00:39:48.600 But also, you can sense that he has not recovered from the loss.
00:39:56.120 You know, I think it's partly it.
00:39:57.420 It's really hard to be arrogant and smug when you don't have a seat,
00:40:01.680 and you are stuck banning the rules to keep the housing provided by taxpayers at Stornoway.
00:40:07.900 So I think, you know, the defeat stung him a little, and I think that's a good thing.
00:40:14.800 Eating a slice of humble pie is not a bad thing in this case,
00:40:19.200 and could set him up for a better result next time around.
00:40:23.400 And I think if he's learned his lesson, if he's not playing a character right now,
00:40:28.500 if he understands that going and, you know, chomping on apples in an orchard
00:40:34.800 while answering questions from journalists is not a good look,
00:40:38.380 you know, he may bounce back.
00:40:40.220 He may bounce back and eventually do become Prime Minister of Canada.
00:40:45.320 We'll see.
00:40:46.160 But he will need to be a little more present than he's been since the election
00:40:50.140 if he wants that to happen.
00:40:52.320 Yeah, yeah.
00:40:52.780 Humbling, I think humbling is definitely a good word to use in that circumstance.
00:40:56.040 But, Warren, did anything stick out for you from Pierre Polyev this week
00:40:59.660 in delivering a couple of press conferences here?
00:41:01.860 Well, there's the game called Where's Waldo, and now it's Where's Pierre's Position?
00:41:06.460 Like, he kind of disappeared, and I thought that that was the right thing for him to do.
00:41:13.320 You know, the Conservative Party, if it's being sensible, knows
00:41:16.600 one of their principal problems during the election campaign had become Pierre Polyev himself.
00:41:21.780 He was unpopular with women.
00:41:25.440 An increasing number of men were starting to look sideways at him.
00:41:30.020 He was not the right guy for the moment.
00:41:32.360 So it makes some sense to me that they would have him kind of disappear from the national stage.
00:41:38.080 But the poor guy can't seem to get a break.
00:41:40.480 He decides to write off to Alberta to get himself elected in the House of Commons,
00:41:45.080 and Alberta is now in the middle of this warfare about separation and Daniel Smith's government,
00:41:52.460 which is a very unpopular government within Canada, maybe not so much within Alberta.
00:41:57.980 So he can't seem to escape trouble wherever he goes,
00:42:02.320 but lowering his profile, being a little less visible, that was the right thing to do.
00:42:07.480 I'm sure he gets nervous every time Daniel Smith or Stockwell Day just starts to talk recently as well,
00:42:13.440 but causing some problems for him or headaches as well.
00:42:16.740 I wanted to ask about the NDP as well before I let you guys go this week.
00:42:20.220 So we found out over the past couple of weeks that some NDP members actually didn't even find out
00:42:24.380 that Don Davies was the interim leader, except through media reports.
00:42:27.880 They weren't properly consulted on this as well.
00:42:31.240 I know it's always difficult, Carl, after an election loss, to kind of regroup with the party here,
00:42:35.260 but obviously there's a special circumstance here.
00:42:37.520 They're fighting back for official party status here.
00:42:41.220 Are they in a little bit of a midst of an identity crisis?
00:42:44.140 Like, I would think that, you know, with seven people in your caucus,
00:42:46.900 it would be pretty easy to keep unanimity,
00:42:48.900 but it seems like there have been some issues that are cropping up here post-election.
00:42:53.460 Well, clearly, there's lots of sire grapes,
00:42:56.320 because they have been put on the sideline politically,
00:42:59.840 even though they do have the balance of power.
00:43:01.520 But, you know, using your word, the regroup, how hard is it to regroup when there's only seven of you?
00:43:06.740 I guess it's harder than it may seem, because these guys are not doing a very good job.
00:43:12.200 Now, you know, the three MPs have a point about the fact that they found out in the media
00:43:18.180 that it was poorly done, poorly managed by the party.
00:43:21.380 They should have been told immediately when the decision was made,
00:43:24.780 and clearly some journalists found out before.
00:43:27.240 That's wrong.
00:43:27.920 In terms of consultation, what is proper consultation?
00:43:31.980 The party president spoke to each MP individually.
00:43:35.500 Is that enough?
00:43:36.440 Maybe, maybe not.
00:43:37.820 But to the point of the three MPs wanting to have an opportunity to, you know,
00:43:42.420 express their interest for the interim leadership,
00:43:45.420 why haven't you done this so publicly?
00:43:47.740 Like, if you want to run for a position in politics, you campaign for it.
00:43:51.600 You go out publicly.
00:43:52.840 You say you want the job.
00:43:54.460 They didn't.
00:43:55.040 And the only one who did was an excellent Bullriss,
00:43:58.300 and Bullriss eventually pulled back and said he was not interested.
00:44:02.220 So, in the end, if you truly believe that your party has a future,
00:44:07.300 and if you truly believe that you are part of the solution,
00:44:10.180 then you need to start campaigning for it.
00:44:12.200 The interim leadership is not where you're going to get it done.
00:44:15.420 If you're serious about this, run for leader.
00:44:18.740 Build a team.
00:44:19.860 Work together.
00:44:20.480 But complaining about this right now shows that they don't have the eye on the ball.
00:44:25.860 Well, and Warren, especially since we've been talking about the week and the rough week
00:44:29.040 that the Liberal government has had here, you know, progressive voters will be watching closely,
00:44:32.400 people that gave their vote to Mark Carney as well.
00:44:35.340 Is it important for the NDP to kind of maintain their status quo,
00:44:39.480 at least for a little while here, so that there is a place for votes to go?
00:44:43.800 Should Mark Carney lose those votes heading into the next election?
00:44:46.020 Absolutely, they should.
00:44:48.340 You know, political parties disappear.
00:44:50.240 You know, the Canadian Alliance or the Progressive Conservative Party or the CCF.
00:44:55.420 Like, we have a history in this country of political parties disappearing.
00:44:59.240 And that could happen to the NDP.
00:45:02.100 At long last, it slips under the waves.
00:45:04.940 So, I was very surprised this happened.
00:45:06.960 It's not like any of the political parties at the federal level look good this week.
00:45:10.880 They all look bad for different reasons that we've detailed.
00:45:14.520 But, you know, like Carl says, and he knows this better than anybody,
00:45:18.820 that the NDP has to hold together, you know, hang together or you're going to hang separately.
00:45:24.720 And it was really messy this week.
00:45:26.980 And it was quite surprising to see this spill out into the open.
00:45:31.040 And it doesn't bode well for the future of what's left of the NDP.
00:45:35.080 And we'll be able to see what the focus, I suppose, will be, what issues they'll kind of hammer on.
00:45:40.600 There's some traditional NDP issues that they'll likely hit on, but there's some new ones hitting up.
00:45:46.220 Tasha, I guess your thoughts on just kind of watching an identity crisis unfold within the NDP over the course of the past little while.
00:45:52.340 I guess post-election.
00:45:53.140 Yeah, Warren forgot social credit.
00:45:55.720 They disappeared, too.
00:45:57.580 The NDP is having a crisis.
00:46:01.040 If they're having a crisis already with their seven members and not knowing who the interim, I mean, it is, you know,
00:46:08.140 that headline alone speaks volumes about the state of the party.
00:46:12.360 Maybe they were all too busy talking to the liberals about crossing the floor.
00:46:15.340 I don't know, but it does beg the question.
00:46:20.920 And, you see, this is also why there was no budget, because doing a budget would have meant talking to the NDP, potentially, or the bloc,
00:46:27.780 and giving them a reason to galvanize, a reason to get together and hang together.
00:46:32.760 Right now, they're just floating around, and there's, you know, there's no party.
00:46:38.300 There's no party.
00:46:39.560 I mean, it's a huge slap in the face.
00:46:41.520 And so I don't know where the NDP goes from here.
00:46:46.080 I do suspect, though, I do suspect the liberals are still trying to get that majority.
00:46:50.000 I really do, and I would not be surprised if, over the course of the next year, they do find a way,
00:46:54.860 and then they won't have to go to confidence, both on budgets or pretty much anything, if they get that magic 172.
00:47:01.440 Yeah, we've heard those reports, if that's happening.
00:47:03.460 But maybe we get NDP a subscription to Signal or something so they can get all seven people in a group chat or something like that.
00:47:09.480 I'm not sure.
00:47:10.120 This makes things a little bit easier.
00:47:11.840 We'll leave it there for this week.
00:47:12.980 But, guys, thank you very much for your time.
00:47:14.980 Tasha Keridan, Warren Kinsella, and Carl Belanger, have a great Sunday.
00:47:18.260 Thank you.
00:47:18.760 Thank you.
00:47:19.220 Thanks, guys.
00:47:20.140 Carl Belanger is the president at Traction Strategies.
00:47:22.520 Warren Kinsella is a strategist and post-media columnist.
00:47:25.340 Tasha Keridan is a political columnist for the National Post.
00:47:27.740 Thank you.
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00:47:47.460 Thank you.
00:47:49.920 All Saturday morning
00:47:52.860 And I carried it around
00:47:59.780 I'm still trying to place it
00:48:05.900 Down with the lights on
00:48:10.040 When the show is over
00:48:13.780 And we're laid off
00:48:16.220 I didn't want to believe
00:48:19.700 This was the time
00:48:22.700 I was making offers
00:48:25.700 I could stand by
00:48:28.600 The brighter they get
00:48:32.480 The less I wanna give
00:48:36.480 Down it was sundown
00:48:48.820 The same one as before the one
00:48:55.000 I was dressed with you
00:48:57.820 But something's different
00:49:00.400 Like we're older
00:49:02.600 So stay up for the next one
00:49:06.780 Down with the lights on
00:49:11.880 When they're rolling over
00:49:15.340 And we're paid off
00:49:17.600 I didn't want to believe
00:49:19.600 I didn't want to believe
00:49:20.600 This was the time
00:49:23.600 I was making offers
00:49:26.600 I could stand by
00:49:29.600 The brighter they get
00:49:32.600 Miles from now
00:49:39.600 Suddenly
00:49:41.600 We'll give back a simple thing
00:49:46.920 Miles from now, suddenly
00:49:54.780 We'll give back our simple pain
00:49:59.600 Time from therapy
00:50:07.120 All signs are saved
00:50:10.340 On the crest of a new wave
00:50:13.800 Do you want to start over again?
00:50:19.980 Or do you want to get up?
00:50:24.500 Turn around the snow down
00:50:35.880 Down with the lights on
00:50:39.160 When the show is over
00:50:42.840 And we're paid up
00:50:45.340 I never wanted to live
00:50:48.800 This was our time
00:50:51.800 I was making offers
00:50:54.800 I can stand by
00:50:57.520 Great to have you here
00:51:02.000 It is Alex Pearson in for Mr. Ben Mulroney
00:51:04.440 This week in politics
00:51:05.400 Boy, oh boy, we got lots in politics
00:51:07.260 29 ministers, 10 junior ministers
00:51:09.660 Mark Carney has announced his cabinet
00:51:12.300 This is change, kiddos
00:51:14.920 This is change
00:51:15.780 Decisive action, he promises
00:51:17.240 So what does it all mean?
00:51:19.360 Let's get some great minds
00:51:20.800 And certainly a lot of experience together
00:51:22.840 And bounce some of this around
00:51:24.280 We got Adrian Batra
00:51:25.260 Editor-in-chief over at the Toronto Sun
00:51:27.080 Sharon Carr
00:51:27.880 Political strategist
00:51:28.740 Partner over at Sovereign Advisory
00:51:30.460 And Warren Kinsella
00:51:31.740 Former special advisor
00:51:34.040 Jean Chrétien
00:51:34.660 CEO over at the Daisy Group
00:51:36.340 It's like the whole family together again
00:51:38.440 I saw the names
00:51:40.900 And I was like
00:51:41.220 This is good times
00:51:42.340 Very good times
00:51:43.260 All right
00:51:43.580 Let me give you guys a kick at this
00:51:45.200 Adrian, I'll give you a first kick
00:51:46.200 I'll just
00:51:46.480 It's plain and simple
00:51:47.500 I mean
00:51:47.800 There are new people
00:51:48.960 He's announced this shake-up
00:51:50.520 A lot of
00:51:51.680 Veterans gone
00:51:53.000 A lot of new faces
00:51:53.840 Your first thought
00:51:54.880 What does it signal to you?
00:51:57.280 A lot of old faces
00:51:58.660 A lot of the very people
00:52:00.880 Who got Canada
00:52:02.300 Into so much economic trouble
00:52:04.240 In the first place
00:52:05.140 Back at the table
00:52:06.360 Some new faces
00:52:08.600 I thought the choice
00:52:10.880 Of David McGinty
00:52:12.240 In the defense position
00:52:14.260 Was good
00:52:15.500 McGinty only made it
00:52:17.640 Into cabinet
00:52:18.140 Sort of in the last iteration
00:52:19.420 Of the Trudeau government
00:52:20.800 Alex
00:52:21.200 And putting him
00:52:22.320 In this very important role
00:52:24.160 Of defense
00:52:24.740 I think is a good sign
00:52:27.200 But again
00:52:29.560 You've got a few other
00:52:31.400 New names in there
00:52:32.480 So unknown
00:52:33.120 Just yet
00:52:34.920 The other challenge
00:52:36.680 I think we're going to have
00:52:37.700 Is
00:52:37.980 I mean
00:52:39.580 At minimum
00:52:40.280 We got
00:52:40.700 Jolie's out of the
00:52:42.320 Foreign affairs position
00:52:43.500 Because as Warren
00:52:44.240 Has repeatedly told me
00:52:46.200 Probably the worst
00:52:47.680 Foreign affairs minister
00:52:48.440 Canada's ever had
00:52:49.520 So at least she's
00:52:50.240 Out of that portfolio
00:52:51.340 But
00:52:52.160 And just the other one
00:52:53.340 That is
00:52:53.860 A significant concern
00:52:56.060 Is the former
00:52:56.520 Housing minister
00:52:57.200 Who got us into
00:52:57.800 Such a mess
00:52:58.300 Sean Fraser
00:52:58.760 Now in justice
00:53:00.020 And so all of the
00:53:01.900 Clamoring for
00:53:02.840 Criminal justice reform
00:53:04.840 Bail reform
00:53:05.500 That the premiers
00:53:06.220 All across the country
00:53:07.100 Have been
00:53:07.380 Clamoring for
00:53:08.400 May not happen now
00:53:10.020 So those are my
00:53:11.320 Initial
00:53:12.320 Reactions
00:53:13.760 To this
00:53:14.380 To this cabinet
00:53:15.200 Yeah Sharon
00:53:16.160 Certainly
00:53:16.580 Nate Erskine
00:53:18.080 Smith is out
00:53:18.840 Bill Blair
00:53:19.600 Is out
00:53:20.300 Jean-Yves Duclos
00:53:22.000 Out
00:53:22.360 John Wilkinson
00:53:23.560 Is out
00:53:24.240 Right
00:53:24.540 So we've got
00:53:25.400 Like 24 new names
00:53:26.300 Including someone
00:53:26.860 You know
00:53:27.180 Evan Solomon
00:53:27.920 Wayne Long
00:53:29.400 Natalie Prevost
00:53:30.600 Your thoughts
00:53:32.200 On what we're seeing
00:53:33.220 Well I
00:53:34.980 Naturally
00:53:36.160 I always love
00:53:37.160 Sparring with Adrian
00:53:38.060 I actually think
00:53:38.740 This is
00:53:39.140 A really good cabinet
00:53:40.640 It has a lot
00:53:41.540 Of really new
00:53:42.060 Faces to it
00:53:42.600 And like you said
00:53:43.280 Evan Solomon
00:53:44.180 Who is coming in
00:53:45.020 As the minister of
00:53:45.860 AI and digital
00:53:46.640 Transformation
00:53:47.280 Someone whose
00:53:47.960 Campaign that I ran
00:53:48.840 We're seeing
00:53:49.820 Tim Hodgson
00:53:50.460 Who is a very
00:53:51.500 Well respected
00:53:52.320 Individual amongst
00:53:53.960 The business
00:53:54.540 Community
00:53:55.040 Former Goldman Sachs
00:53:56.160 Canada
00:53:56.540 Executive
00:53:57.460 So there's a lot
00:53:58.660 Of new faces
00:53:59.140 With people
00:53:59.580 Who are actually
00:54:00.240 Going to be able
00:54:00.940 To do things
00:54:01.460 Now of course
00:54:02.060 There's some
00:54:02.380 Older faces
00:54:02.940 And some shifting
00:54:04.420 Of ministerial
00:54:05.060 Portfolios
00:54:05.620 But I actually
00:54:06.200 Think this is
00:54:06.860 A changed cabinet
00:54:07.800 And I'm really
00:54:08.380 Excited to see
00:54:09.080 What some folks
00:54:09.740 At Kim will be
00:54:10.360 Able to do
00:54:10.720 On the energy
00:54:11.300 Front
00:54:11.680 What Evan
00:54:13.040 Will be able
00:54:13.380 To do on
00:54:13.900 The AI
00:54:15.380 Front
00:54:15.800 And on top
00:54:16.400 Of that
00:54:16.640 One of the
00:54:17.580 Big ones
00:54:17.900 For me
00:54:18.180 As a bit
00:54:18.960 Of a finance
00:54:19.480 Nerd
00:54:19.780 Is they combine
00:54:21.160 Finance and
00:54:21.940 Natural
00:54:22.340 Sorry
00:54:22.880 Revenue
00:54:24.040 Which to me
00:54:24.960 Has been a
00:54:25.540 Big B in my
00:54:26.060 Bonnet
00:54:26.320 I've always
00:54:26.740 Thought those
00:54:27.140 Two should
00:54:27.640 Be together
00:54:28.020 So it's
00:54:28.440 Maximum chaos
00:54:29.200 But I'm
00:54:29.520 Here for