kinsellacast - July 14, 2025


KINSELLACAST 370： Dump Pierre now! Plus E., Mulroney, Mraz and Crack Cloud, Worry Club, Winona Fighter, NRVS


Episode Stats

Length

1 hour and 2 minutes

Words per Minute

136.47617

Word Count

8,490

Sentence Count

274

Misogynist Sentences

15

Hate Speech Sentences

37


Summary


Transcript

00:00:00.000 It's the KinsellaCast starring Warren Kinsella.
00:00:22.080 Hey, it's Warren. Welcome to the KinsellaCast. I apologize that it is a late KinsellaCast.
00:00:30.200 There are multiple reasons for that. The first one is that Steve DeSieve, who is the rhythm
00:00:37.960 guitarist for my band SFH, came to visit us in the county and it was a brief visit. We
00:00:44.420 had a great time and we played a few tunes together. We got a gig coming up, so it was
00:00:48.640 great to see him. Second reason, less happy, is I had to travel to Toronto for a funeral.
00:00:58.280 The funeral of Carol Grafstein, the wife of Jerry Grafstein, and an extraordinary mother
00:01:06.960 and human being and member of the Order of Canada. It was sad to say goodbye to her.
00:01:16.820 And then the third reason was thereafter. And again, a happier one. My daughter was in town
00:01:25.040 with her boyfriend. They had come in for a wedding. So we got together for cheese bread at the keg.
00:01:32.800 And like, who can be against cheese bread at the keg? Invented by my friend, departed friend,
00:01:42.020 John Eisenstadt and his family. John is much missed. And we had a great time and toasted John
00:01:49.580 while we were at the keg. And now I'm back here. I've got John Mraz is on this week.
00:01:54.560 Um, and he's on his way to Thailand. You can hear he's exhausted, packing, getting ready. But we talk
00:02:01.880 about Israel and Hamas and Ukraine and Russia and Trump and Carney. Uh, we also have E, E returns,
00:02:11.980 uh, popular by popular demand. Um, she thinks she's quite smart. I think she's all right.
00:02:18.800 And we talk about, uh, the NDP and the Tories and, and, uh, the liberals and the liberal prime
00:02:26.600 minister and Brian Lee. Um, I think because it's late, I can't reach him. Uh, so I apologize this
00:02:33.320 week. He had signaled his willingness to, um, to show up, but I could not find him. So we'll have
00:02:39.720 to do that next week. But this week I did speak with him on his full comment podcast, which is out
00:02:47.000 tomorrow. And he had Ginny Roth, very smart consultant and myself. I'm not as smart on
00:02:54.380 talking about all kinds of stuff. And, and one of the subjects was what to do about Pierre Polyev.
00:02:58.400 And my view, as you guys know, was to dump Pierre Polyev and to get ready for the interview. I decided
00:03:04.780 to put together 10 reasons why he should be dumped. So here they are. Okay. You ready? Number one,
00:03:10.880 he lost his own seat decisively to a political newbie. He was clobbered. In fact, how can he win
00:03:19.240 the country if he can't even win his own seat? Number two, he blew a 30 point lead in the polls
00:03:27.840 in a matter of weeks. And then he lost an election that had been in the bag. And again, he lost that
00:03:36.120 to another political newbie, one Mark Carney, who he underestimated big time. Number three,
00:03:44.640 he alienated proven conservative political winners like Doug Ford, like Tim Houston, like others.
00:03:52.600 Those people were shut out by Polyev and his inner circle. He and his fart catchers criticized those men.
00:04:00.180 And then when Polyev desperately needed help, Ford and the rest of them said, no, thanks. Politics,
00:04:07.740 Pierre, it's about addition, not subtraction. Number four, he hasn't acknowledged his errors.
00:04:17.260 Polyev has not admitted he had the wrong strategy and tone. Most critically, he has not made any changes.
00:04:23.320 He's still doing what he did before. Number five, he has mostly disappeared. Apart from the obligatory
00:04:32.720 appearance at the Calgary Stampede, and apart from the decision run in an Alberta by-election where a fence
00:04:38.800 post painted blue could win, Polyev has vanished. Instead of going out on a listening tour, instead of doing
00:04:46.600 some critical self-analysis, he is invisible. Number six, his numbers have gotten worse since the
00:04:55.300 election. Dramatically worse. Not the party top line numbers, mind you. The Tories as a party are still
00:05:02.300 competitive. Polyev's personal numbers suck. Big time. Number seven, female voters don't like him.
00:05:10.920 They just don't. It was a problem before, and it's even worse now. There's something about his manner and his
00:05:18.580 style, the Trumpiness, probably, that turns women off in droves. Number eight, Trump still hurts him. As long as
00:05:28.200 the Mango Massolini is in power, and the U.S. president will be for years to come, Polyev will be playing
00:05:34.380 defense. He's got this bumper sticker approach to policy. He's got this hard-right etymology. He's got
00:05:41.760 this angry guy shtick. All of it comes together to hurt him with Canadians who really, really, really
00:05:49.720 dislike Donald Trump, which is the majority. Number nine, Daniel Smith and her ilk hurt him.
00:05:58.520 Smith is the most unpopular premier in Canada, and Polyev has been unable to say a single critical
00:06:05.400 word about her or her policies, or, you know, the book banning, trans-hating, crypto-separatist
00:06:12.060 premier chemtrails. Smith, meanwhile, can't say enough about how great Pierre Polyev is. Not good.
00:06:21.560 Number 10, he is who he is. Pierre Polyev is a grown man. He's not a teenager anymore. He is not going to
00:06:31.780 meaningfully change. He is what he is now. And what he is now is a loser. And a loser, he will remain.
00:06:51.560 Be good.
00:07:03.520 Bye.
00:07:03.700 Bye.
00:07:13.780 Bye.
00:07:14.800 I think that I was born so I could make this song
00:07:26.020 And I think you were born so you could prove me wrong
00:07:30.060 I think that you were born at how these notes are trite
00:07:34.020 And I can see because the critic's always right
00:07:37.940 I'm about to write it but I feel a little static
00:07:41.900 I've got it all there but I don't feel as emphatic
00:07:45.920 You know my story, I'm just a fucking headache
00:07:49.860 The monkey's running across the left, you do the LQ
00:08:11.900 On the cusp of my hazy
00:08:29.920 From feverish mind, oh
00:08:33.940 There's not one line vacant
00:08:37.940 In the synopsis of my soul, yeah, yeah
00:08:41.920 On the cusp of my hazy
00:08:45.920 From feverish mind, oh
00:08:49.920 There's not one line vacant
00:08:53.940 In the synopsis of my soul, yeah, yeah
00:08:57.880 On the cusp of we have pictures on the wall
00:09:01.880 Doing a fucking understanding of it all
00:09:05.940 What direction led us both into the fringe
00:09:09.940 Self-deprecating as our minds became unhinged
00:09:13.940 Psychic balance over, use it for shed for
00:09:17.940 Absorbed your blood bugs and the dirty vegetable
00:09:21.940 Wrote to recovery and early talking point
00:09:25.940 Necessant stress, passion, broken at the joy, yeah
00:09:29.940 There's no reason why
00:09:31.940 Ruth Bikmin
00:09:32.680 There's no reason why
00:09:33.860 Where the moansuck is
00:09:37.600 Of the I-I-I-I-G
00:09:38.920 As far as I can tell
00:09:40.160 This is a front of your Partnership
00:09:41.540 Leave us out
00:09:42.600 Or there is no sign in herman
00:09:45.940 وفern
00:09:47.940 Black arousel
00:09:49.940 The room
00:09:52.940 Cl prender
00:09:53.940 The y- 很
00:09:57.980 We'll be right back.
00:10:27.980 We'll be right back.
00:10:57.980 We'll be right back.
00:11:28.480 Messages are shouted in a caustic mix of virtue and infinity begging to fix.
00:11:36.640 No agenda that brings meaning to this life.
00:11:39.960 Meaning is just a medium for calculated strife.
00:11:43.940 Lawless like soy yada loves the state of which I'm bound.
00:11:47.580 Until the lack of life pursues to put me to the ground.
00:11:51.960 I'm the stray dog, learing through the fog.
00:11:55.880 Left out of the ark, dancing in the dark.
00:11:59.780 Caught up by a tree.
00:12:01.760 Ransies like a leash in the winter line.
00:12:05.320 I'm the blue sky.
00:12:07.300 I'm the blue sky.
00:12:07.360 And we're back.
00:12:30.660 We're back with a special guest.
00:12:32.720 One that so many of you have requested.
00:12:36.460 Which is E.
00:12:37.240 With her wisdom of the average person.
00:12:42.860 But she's by no means average.
00:12:45.400 She's a person of note.
00:12:47.580 She's a person of note in my life.
00:12:50.260 And perhaps she's a person of note in your life.
00:12:53.220 And here she is back on the podcast.
00:12:56.500 And I'm talking a lot.
00:12:58.060 I should probably just stop talking and say hello.
00:13:01.460 Yeah, let's cut the shit.
00:13:02.960 First of all, I'm a fill-in guest.
00:13:05.120 So don't talk me up too much.
00:13:08.260 But more importantly, I...
00:13:12.040 Maybe all those things that you said.
00:13:13.660 But I am wiser.
00:13:16.520 More eloquent.
00:13:18.060 And more elegant.
00:13:18.940 And, well, brass tacks, I'm just smarter and more likable than you.
00:13:25.420 I see.
00:13:26.380 And quite modest, we can see.
00:13:28.420 So modest.
00:13:29.220 Yeah.
00:13:29.860 So this week...
00:13:31.200 Humble, humble, humble, I would say.
00:13:32.040 This week, you're busy.
00:13:35.040 I'm busy.
00:13:35.740 But in between busyness, you and I were talking about politics.
00:13:39.740 And you were quite critical of our friends in the NDP.
00:13:44.780 I mean, you've never been...
00:13:46.820 I think you've voted NDP in the past.
00:13:50.080 But them orbiting ever further into extremism made you irritated.
00:13:57.680 Tell us why.
00:13:59.040 What are the NDP doing or not doing at the present time that's pissed you off?
00:14:05.700 Well, you are correct.
00:14:06.920 Many, many moons ago in the days of Jack Layton.
00:14:11.640 I believe the second time I voted as an adult, I voted NDP.
00:14:17.200 I did like him.
00:14:18.900 And the NDP person in my writing, I knew him for many years.
00:14:25.500 And he was a solid individual.
00:14:28.400 And I've never voted for them since.
00:14:33.100 I have voted more, I guess, as a moderate voter in this country.
00:14:42.660 I am on no particular end of the spectrum politically.
00:14:47.880 But we were having breakfast the other morning, as we do together over the weekend.
00:14:53.780 And we share the newspaper.
00:14:55.620 And I was quite taken with Andrew Coyne's latest article about the current status and potential fate of the NDP.
00:15:03.720 And I knew some of what he was talking about and agreed with it and engaged in you in it.
00:15:12.620 And there was a few things that came up in the article that were quite startling.
00:15:15.540 But all it's to say is that I don't even recognize what the NDP party is anymore.
00:15:21.700 I don't actually understand what they are trying to do as a party, what they represent, what their end, or I shouldn't say what their end game is, but what their downstream thinking is.
00:15:36.360 I guess if I just want to be quite terse about it, I just find them rather annoying and disappointing.
00:15:43.120 Maybe disappointing is a better term.
00:15:45.540 And certainly that reflects the view of lots of other people, because their numbers continue to be just uniformly shitty.
00:15:53.320 But what about the conservatives?
00:15:54.880 How about that?
00:15:55.640 I mean, you've got friends who are conservatives, and you've got some views that I would consider to be conservative.
00:16:02.540 But you are just as critical, if not more so, of Pierre Polyev, who is, you know, basically he's done a kind of a where's Waldo thing.
00:16:12.980 We don't know where Pierre is anymore.
00:16:14.820 He's just disappeared.
00:16:16.760 Maybe that's a good thing.
00:16:18.060 Maybe it's not.
00:16:19.200 But what are your – do you think – I have a column in post media today, as you know, or maybe you saw it, maybe you didn't.
00:16:27.960 I don't read your work.
00:16:28.960 You know that.
00:16:29.540 Yeah.
00:16:29.880 Thank you.
00:16:30.380 I'm deeply grateful for that.
00:16:34.060 Anyway, I took –
00:16:34.680 That is false.
00:16:35.400 I read it all.
00:16:36.660 I took the position then, if you read it, that I think that the Tories should dump Polyev.
00:16:42.400 What do you think?
00:16:43.620 They should keep him around – I mean, Stephen Harper lost and was given a second chance and ended up getting majority.
00:16:51.040 My friend Dalton McGinty lost.
00:16:53.900 Given a second chance, he got a majority.
00:16:56.560 Could the Tories do the same thing with Pierre Polyev?
00:16:59.800 No, not with him.
00:17:02.980 Yeah.
00:17:03.400 I mean, between the two of us, some people might be surprised.
00:17:06.920 I am probably the more conservative between us, but certainly, even with that, I hesitate to say conservative because, again, I very much identify as a moderate.
00:17:20.440 I just think everyone has some potentially good stuff on both sides.
00:17:25.680 In the case of Polyev, though, he's just – I think he got a little too close to the sun, and it bitch slapped him, and I don't think there's any return for him.
00:17:44.060 I imagine he's potentially buttering up that third-degree burn from said sun, but he's probably doing it somewhere very nice.
00:17:54.880 And maybe could care less about his future in the conservative party, but I don't think they have a great chance, as I potentially know what your follow-up question is going to be, but I don't think they have a great chance at building back with him as their leader.
00:18:16.740 I think he's particularly unlikable, and if we're just looking at politics on face value,
00:18:23.800 some people just base their voting style on, is he likable?
00:18:29.040 And he's not, particularly with women.
00:18:32.300 I mean, I found him somewhat entertaining from time to time.
00:18:35.700 He was a bit gruff, but even that I thought was perhaps a bit performative.
00:18:41.480 But, I mean, you believe in redemption.
00:18:43.680 I know you do.
00:18:44.580 I know you believe in people reforming themselves.
00:18:48.940 You believe in second chances.
00:18:51.000 I know you do.
00:18:52.540 I believe in people smartening up.
00:18:54.660 Well, why don't you think he could smarten up?
00:18:58.100 I don't know.
00:18:59.980 Honestly, I have my thought with this is that his ego may disable his ability to potentially reform bits of his personality.
00:19:13.780 But I think much like I have some noted disdain to where the NDP party has brought itself or drug itself so far to the left.
00:19:28.320 Unfortunately, I think he represents a good portion of the antithesis of that, which is the far right.
00:19:37.740 And he's just not closer to the he's not as close to the center to me.
00:19:42.800 And my hope is that the majority of Canadian voters will be a little bit exhausted, exhausted by the far, far left nonsense and the far, far right nonsense.
00:19:54.280 And realize that those two groups are meeting at the top of the crazy rainbow.
00:19:59.440 And they're both acting the same way, which is not pleasant and counterproductive and not good for the country.
00:20:06.240 And most people still start looking more to the center.
00:20:09.620 And we need people more like Carney, who is, in fact, very much a liberal, but he pulls a little bit more center left.
00:20:21.120 Well, let me interject with a question then.
00:20:25.600 You've been making very positive noises about Carney.
00:20:29.260 I don't know if you voted for him or not.
00:20:30.860 That's your business.
00:20:31.720 But you sure sound like you think he's the bee's knees these days and that he's doing a buffo job.
00:20:44.720 Is that so?
00:20:45.940 And why do you think?
00:20:47.760 Because obviously lots of Canadians feel the same way.
00:20:50.320 He's even more popular now than he was at the end of April.
00:20:54.040 Why is that?
00:20:55.280 You sound like Frankie talking to Annette at Beach Blanket Bingo.
00:20:58.900 The bee's knees.
00:21:00.340 What's wrong with that?
00:21:02.640 Oh, my God.
00:21:04.220 Wow.
00:21:04.740 Okay.
00:21:05.500 First of all, I never said bee's knees.
00:21:09.200 And, I mean, I certainly haven't been sitting around mooning over the guy.
00:21:14.740 But there's been some shit that he's done where I was like, for God's sake, like, can we just have somebody run the 100 meter for a solid week without pissing me off somehow?
00:21:26.700 But all in all, I think he is doing okay.
00:21:30.000 I would like him to voice a few people out.
00:21:35.580 You know me.
00:21:36.600 I'm a perjure.
00:21:38.740 You know, I like a fresh start.
00:21:40.480 Get, you know, if you're bringing something new in, even if that's a fresh idea, maybe get rid of some of the old chaff and some of the old bad idea people that might have been there.
00:21:51.180 So, and I know he's done some of that.
00:21:53.660 But I think the thing I'm paying most attention to him with is trade at the moment.
00:22:01.060 And from even before he was elected, my hope is that we would be pushing farther to trade negotiations with the EU.
00:22:11.120 I know that is still a part of it.
00:22:12.700 But I enjoyed his interview with Christiane Amanpour.
00:22:16.940 I thought there was some great points there.
00:22:20.180 I don't know.
00:22:20.540 He just, for me, again, I will reflect back on that he pulls a little center left for me.
00:22:27.140 In this diatribe, I forgot what your pinpointed question was.
00:22:30.180 So, feel free to ask me again.
00:22:32.600 But are you, I think the question was, why are Canadians liking him?
00:22:35.480 Is that what it was?
00:22:36.240 Yeah.
00:22:37.380 Yeah.
00:22:37.600 Because I think, to my previous point, is that I think people are a bit exhausted.
00:22:42.180 And can we just have somebody that isn't necessarily hyperpolarizing, although I know there are plenty of people that hate him.
00:22:51.240 But I think they more hate the idea of his party as opposed to potentially what he could do.
00:22:58.000 I mean, I like that he's a bit vanilla, you know, that he ultimately is sort of a money's and number guy.
00:23:08.880 Not a lot of swagger, not a lot of, you know, I don't know, bravado.
00:23:13.720 I don't think we really necessarily need any of that.
00:23:15.960 I just, I don't know.
00:23:17.120 I just think people are a little bit calmed by him when everything else seems, you know, ridiculous.
00:23:24.340 You just throw out another 60s word at you, a bit cattywampus.
00:23:28.880 People are just, you know, can we have a minute of mellow?
00:23:31.860 And I think he represents a minute of mellow while still doing some potentially good work.
00:23:38.000 Cattywampus?
00:23:39.020 Cattywampus, yeah.
00:23:40.200 Like, what the fuck is that?
00:23:42.180 It's cattywampus.
00:23:43.480 People in your listening audience will know cattywampus.
00:23:46.000 So, I can say, I can't say boffo, but you say cattywampus.
00:23:50.300 Okay, that doesn't seem right.
00:23:51.660 But, mine has more syllables in it, so it's smarter.
00:23:55.640 I see.
00:23:56.600 Well, E, thank you for providing more syllables and a smarter analysis of the three main political choices on offer in Canadian politics these days.
00:24:09.680 I think the majority of people would agree with you.
00:24:11.940 Although, you know, most of the time they agree with me.
00:24:14.260 So, you know, it's your moment in the sun, as it were.
00:24:18.820 So, thank you.
00:24:19.360 And I'm the one with the ego.
00:24:23.000 Mm-hmm.
00:24:24.240 Thank you.
00:24:25.420 Thanks.
00:24:25.740 It's on camera, my whole life.
00:24:46.780 Sorry.
00:24:47.280 Girl, I gotta be dramatic or they'll just pass me by.
00:24:54.920 Cause I don't allow the phone that I'm the worst.
00:25:02.540 I think I better take a break or I might die first.
00:25:07.920 Hey!
00:25:27.560 It's serious, I can't hold on your phone
00:25:31.720 I'm higher, yeah, just like that
00:25:34.360 This little fucker won't be famous
00:25:37.460 I really hope I'm on this playlist
00:25:41.220 If this keeps on happening
00:25:52.040 We'll have to know
00:25:57.560 That car you're bragging
00:26:01.440 Don't taste like food
00:26:03.680 Chop me off
00:26:07.440 Summer nights
00:26:11.600 Where I can read all my notifications
00:26:15.200 Late at night
00:26:22.080 You shot it bright, oh
00:26:26.080 You can't forget your phone
00:26:28.200 You got your new cell phone
00:26:32.240 So you wanna be in the studio
00:26:37.540 So you can't hold on your phone
00:26:40.240 I'm higher, yeah, just like that
00:26:42.960 This little fucker won't be famous
00:26:46.040 I really hope I'm on this playlist
00:26:49.920 The choice is cruel but wrong
00:27:09.800 I don't know how to end the song
00:27:13.960 Nothing to do but wrong
00:27:17.840 I'm on your own
00:27:20.120 So you wanna be in the studio
00:27:23.120 So I can't hold on your phone
00:27:25.420 So I can't hold on your phone
00:27:27.540 So I can't hold on your phone
00:27:28.800 If this motherfucker won't be famous
00:27:31.740 I really hope I'm on this playlist
00:27:34.980 Welcome to the Ben Mulrooney Show
00:27:52.220 Thanks so much for joining us on this Friday
00:27:54.360 And because it's Friday
00:27:55.240 It's time for the This Week in Politics panel
00:27:57.840 Our Friday edition
00:27:58.740 Where we look back at some of the really big stories
00:28:01.640 Affecting each and every one of us
00:28:03.720 And no two better people to help guide us
00:28:06.460 Through what's important, what's not
00:28:08.740 What we should pay attention to
00:28:09.680 What's just noise
00:28:10.460 Is Chris Chapin, political commentator
00:28:12.400 Managing principal at Upstream Strategy
00:28:14.060 And Warren Kinsella
00:28:14.860 Former special advisor to Jean Chrétien
00:28:16.660 And CEO of the Daisy Group
00:28:18.940 To the both of you, I say happy Friday
00:28:20.320 Happy Friday
00:28:22.700 So we gotta talk about this letter
00:28:24.960 That Donald Trump wrote
00:28:26.160 And I'm sure you guys are on top of the news
00:28:28.000 But for those of, who are just joining us now
00:28:31.320 We, our Global National Bureau in Washington
00:28:34.900 Touched base with a White House spokesperson
00:28:37.500 For clarification on this whole thing
00:28:39.200 And they confirmed that this 35% tariff
00:28:42.540 Would not be put on anything
00:28:44.600 That was USMCA compliant
00:28:46.340 Energy and potash would stay at 10% tariff
00:28:48.820 Won't be bumped to 35%
00:28:50.460 Not only that, and I think this is probably
00:28:51.780 The most important part
00:28:52.580 And I'll come to you first, Warren
00:28:54.020 Is that the official said
00:28:55.520 That no paper had been drafted
00:28:57.440 No final decisions had been made by the president
00:28:59.780 So this is just
00:29:01.440 His stream of consciousness
00:29:03.240 That he lobbed like a grenade
00:29:05.280 Into the Canadian economy
00:29:06.580 Well, it would be nice to believe that
00:29:11.960 But I don't believe that
00:29:13.180 Because I checked it out
00:29:14.480 And it's an official letter
00:29:15.980 From the President of the United States
00:29:17.780 With his letterhead up at the top of it
00:29:20.260 And his signature down at the bottom
00:29:22.100 So it's real
00:29:23.060 And in fairness to Trump
00:29:26.020 It's what he has said
00:29:28.060 He was going to do
00:29:30.300 It's what he campaigned on
00:29:32.220 It's what he believes
00:29:33.700 He's not a free trader
00:29:34.980 No, and Warren
00:29:35.760 Warren, I get that
00:29:36.700 He wants to get a free trader
00:29:37.060 I don't want to interrupt you
00:29:38.180 But I do want to inform
00:29:38.960 Where you're going to go next
00:29:39.940 Square that with the digital sales tax
00:29:44.100 That he said was the sticking point
00:29:46.760 To allowing us to continue our negotiations
00:29:49.820 On this new defense and trade agreement
00:29:52.940 With the United States
00:29:54.200 We did what he wanted
00:29:55.800 And then he comes back with this
00:29:57.980 This new accusation of fentanyl
00:30:00.560 And God knows what else
00:30:01.740 So explain
00:30:02.720 Just make it make sense to me
00:30:04.560 Well, I can't
00:30:07.020 Because
00:30:07.360 But he
00:30:07.940 What I'm saying
00:30:08.880 I'm actually defending Donald Trump
00:30:11.280 This is Donald Trump
00:30:12.840 Being Donald Trump
00:30:14.060 This is consistent with what he's done
00:30:16.800 Every single time
00:30:18.180 Since his speech at the inauguration
00:30:21.020 Ten days later
00:30:22.340 He concocts this fentanyl cockamamie story
00:30:25.800 This is him doing what he has done
00:30:28.420 On our banking system
00:30:30.260 On supply management
00:30:31.520 On dairy
00:30:32.660 You name it
00:30:33.440 This is what he does
00:30:34.620 What I don't get, Ben
00:30:35.960 Is what Mark Carney is doing
00:30:38.880 Yeah
00:30:39.160 Why has Mark Carney persuaded himself
00:30:42.220 That Donald Trump's going to stop
00:30:44.180 Being Donald Trump
00:30:45.020 And suddenly observe the rules
00:30:46.680 Of the international order
00:30:48.280 And observe free trade
00:30:50.060 Well, I don't know
00:30:50.600 He's not going to
00:30:51.600 And Warren, I don't know
00:30:52.820 If that was ever the end game
00:30:54.440 For Mark Carney
00:30:55.420 The end game was
00:30:56.300 For the liberals
00:30:56.880 Well, what is it?
00:30:57.640 Well, let's ask Chris
00:30:59.560 Because look, Chris
00:31:00.600 You know, we all remember
00:31:01.740 When Mark Carney was in the pub
00:31:03.280 And someone referred to him
00:31:04.500 As Churchill
00:31:06.040 And he agreed
00:31:07.340 He didn't say
00:31:08.060 Let's let history be the judge
00:31:09.720 He said, no, no
00:31:10.280 You're right
00:31:10.840 And the choice is between
00:31:12.320 Churchill and Neville Chamberlain
00:31:13.720 The choice is between
00:31:14.720 Fighting them on the beaches
00:31:15.780 Or capitulating to Adolf Hitler
00:31:19.040 Like that was the choice
00:31:20.220 That he asked Canadians to make
00:31:22.360 And so to turn around
00:31:23.800 I don't know what he's going to do now
00:31:25.620 But is he going to turn around
00:31:28.300 And say, oh, well
00:31:28.960 Donald Trump is Donald Trump
00:31:30.260 And no one can work with him
00:31:31.300 In which case
00:31:31.700 Well, that's not what
00:31:32.560 That wasn't good enough
00:31:34.300 For Churchill
00:31:35.280 So what did you actually sell us
00:31:37.080 And how are you actually governing?
00:31:39.000 Well, I mean, he sold us
00:31:41.540 You know, a pretty clear message, Ben
00:31:43.140 Which was elbows up, right?
00:31:44.840 That's what he told Canadians
00:31:45.980 Is he'd go in and fight for them
00:31:47.580 And I think part of what we're starting to see
00:31:49.680 Is, at least from my opinion
00:31:50.860 Is we thought there was a deal to be made
00:31:53.680 You know, we thought of
00:31:54.780 You know, Canadians clearly thought
00:31:56.200 If they picked the right
00:31:57.280 The right fighter
00:31:58.560 The right prime minister
00:31:59.540 They'd get a deal with the president
00:32:01.920 And I'm starting to believe
00:32:03.160 That's just not what the president wants
00:32:05.100 It seems like anytime we get closer to a deal
00:32:07.720 Trump moves the yardsticks
00:32:10.080 Further and further down the field
00:32:11.560 And that's because I think
00:32:12.800 He has fun with doing this
00:32:13.980 I think he's obsessed with winning
00:32:15.500 I think he's obsessed with being
00:32:17.600 You know, Superman for America
00:32:19.720 And that means that, you know
00:32:21.700 Every time Canada maybe gets a little closer
00:32:23.940 To signing an agreement
00:32:25.240 He changes, you know
00:32:26.560 He changes the goal
00:32:27.420 And so whether that was the digital sales tax
00:32:29.560 Or now we're back to square one with fentanyl
00:32:31.620 I think he likes this
00:32:33.900 And that's the challenge for Mark Carney
00:32:35.440 Because I don't think there is a deal to be had
00:32:37.680 I'm becoming less and less certain
00:32:39.140 That we're going to sign a new Kuzma
00:32:41.060 In a year's time
00:32:42.320 Because I don't think the United States
00:32:44.140 And the president
00:32:44.780 Ever want to sign that deal again
00:32:46.400 I don't want to
00:32:48.680 Totally agree
00:32:49.180 Yeah, I don't want to beat a dead horse here
00:32:51.480 And I'm not trying to be contrarian
00:32:54.520 Or pick at the liberals
00:32:56.780 For the sake of picking at the liberals
00:32:58.340 I want them to get a deal
00:32:59.680 I want this to all happen
00:33:01.040 And yet
00:33:02.700 We weren't promised
00:33:04.660 A fighter
00:33:05.980 Who was going to fight for Canada
00:33:07.240 We were promised
00:33:08.040 That this was the guy
00:33:08.720 Who was going to lead us through the crisis
00:33:09.960 That's what we were promised
00:33:11.160 And those are two different things
00:33:12.500 We were promised results
00:33:13.760 Not process
00:33:14.880 And right now
00:33:16.240 It feels like those who are defending
00:33:17.780 Mark Carney
00:33:19.160 Are going to
00:33:20.120 Default to process
00:33:21.380 And say, well, no
00:33:22.060 But he's the steady hand
00:33:23.520 But he's
00:33:24.240 He's the big brain
00:33:25.540 No, no
00:33:25.960 That's fine
00:33:26.760 But we were promised results
00:33:28.400 And I don't
00:33:29.180 And if he's not going to deliver results
00:33:31.000 I feel like I was sold
00:33:32.240 A bill of goods warrant
00:33:33.340 Well, it may be a Machiavellian
00:33:36.700 The strategy
00:33:37.460 At play here
00:33:38.480 You know, I'm trying
00:33:39.140 Like I've got a column
00:33:40.340 Coming out of post media
00:33:41.640 On Sunday about this
00:33:42.580 And I'm trying to figure out
00:33:43.500 What the hell
00:33:44.120 Mark Carney's doing
00:33:45.500 Yeah
00:33:45.960 Because, you know, here's Trump
00:33:47.240 Again, being Trump
00:33:48.320 And saying, I'm going to violate
00:33:49.420 Any deal that you've come up with
00:33:51.020 Anyway
00:33:51.380 Yeah
00:33:51.700 Maybe what he's trying to do
00:33:53.180 Is run out the clock
00:33:54.140 And give himself enough time
00:33:55.620 And cover
00:33:56.160 To come up with deals
00:33:58.180 With Europe
00:33:58.880 And Asia
00:33:59.640 And so on
00:34:00.520 Yeah
00:34:00.740 And have alternative markets
00:34:02.260 For Canadian exports
00:34:03.600 So we are not as vulnerable
00:34:05.420 To the United States
00:34:06.160 That's a reasonable strategy
00:34:08.260 If that's what he's in fact doing
00:34:10.860 But he's also hurting
00:34:12.440 His own credibility
00:34:13.500 Because, you know
00:34:14.500 As both of you
00:34:15.260 Just pointed out
00:34:16.200 It looks kind of naive
00:34:18.380 For Mark Carney
00:34:19.460 To believe
00:34:20.120 That Donald Trump
00:34:21.800 Is going to change his spots
00:34:23.240 And it's going to be anything
00:34:24.160 Other than what he is
00:34:25.300 Which is somebody
00:34:26.020 Who is against free trade
00:34:27.840 So there may be a strategy there
00:34:30.320 I just don't know what it is
00:34:32.100 Chris, let's talk about
00:34:34.120 The imminent cuts
00:34:35.660 That are coming
00:34:36.360 To the public service
00:34:37.220 In Canada
00:34:37.780 What Mark Carney
00:34:39.060 Is saying things
00:34:40.140 We haven't heard
00:34:40.720 From a liberal government
00:34:41.800 Since Warren's old boss
00:34:43.340 That there are
00:34:44.320 Some tough choices
00:34:45.220 That are going to have to be made
00:34:46.220 And one of those sectors
00:34:48.460 In which he's going to find
00:34:49.540 Those savings
00:34:51.160 Is going to be
00:34:52.080 Right-sizing
00:34:53.040 The public sector
00:34:54.200 Now put that
00:34:55.120 Into context
00:34:55.880 Of the previous election
00:34:56.780 Pierre Poliev
00:34:57.320 Lost his seat
00:34:58.280 To Bruce Fangio
00:34:59.240 That he'd held
00:34:59.940 For 20 years
00:35:00.780 And one of the drums
00:35:02.080 That Fangio
00:35:03.020 Was beating
00:35:04.060 Was
00:35:04.860 Pierre Poliev
00:35:05.840 Is coming for
00:35:06.640 Your public sector jobs
00:35:07.620 He is going to cut
00:35:08.280 100,000 jobs
00:35:09.200 For the public sector
00:35:10.140 And I'm the guy
00:35:11.600 Who's not going to
00:35:12.100 Let that happen
00:35:12.760 So again
00:35:13.400 Make that make sense
00:35:14.760 I'm not sure I can
00:35:18.580 I mean
00:35:19.000 Listen
00:35:19.620 I think Warren
00:35:20.240 Just spoke about it
00:35:21.600 It's the
00:35:22.320 I do get the sense
00:35:24.220 The prime minister
00:35:24.860 And the liberals
00:35:25.420 Are trying to
00:35:26.160 Rag the puck
00:35:26.800 And maybe
00:35:27.700 Try to figure out
00:35:28.820 What they can do
00:35:29.560 And part of that
00:35:30.180 Is
00:35:30.500 If we
00:35:31.900 Continue on this
00:35:32.960 Trade war
00:35:33.420 With the United States
00:35:34.080 It's going to cost
00:35:34.780 The country a fortune
00:35:36.040 And we don't have
00:35:36.880 That money
00:35:37.320 So it's either
00:35:38.160 We go into deficit
00:35:38.960 Or we find some savings
00:35:39.920 And so
00:35:40.320 I'm fully in favor
00:35:42.740 Of Mark Carney
00:35:44.360 And the liberals
00:35:44.820 Trying to find
00:35:45.460 Efficiencies
00:35:46.000 In the public sector
00:35:46.880 I was told
00:35:47.720 As a conservative
00:35:48.440 For years
00:35:49.020 That was impossible
00:35:50.000 You know
00:35:51.260 There was no such thing
00:35:52.180 As these mythical
00:35:53.200 Efficiencies
00:35:54.080 That we spoke about
00:35:55.220 That could find you
00:35:56.920 You know
00:35:57.120 25 billion dollars
00:35:58.320 In savings
00:35:58.820 But I'm pretty sure
00:35:59.480 There's a good chance
00:36:00.120 Mark Carney
00:36:00.560 Might just find those
00:36:01.620 So I think
00:36:02.920 That is the strategy
00:36:04.060 I think it's
00:36:04.700 We're not going to
00:36:06.020 Increase revenues
00:36:06.780 Overnight
00:36:07.260 We can't afford
00:36:08.920 To tax Canadians
00:36:09.800 Because you know
00:36:10.840 Everybody's living
00:36:11.660 Paycheck to paycheck
00:36:12.500 Certainly you know
00:36:13.120 The majority of Canadians
00:36:14.040 Are so
00:36:14.520 So what can you do
00:36:15.540 And it's find savings
00:36:16.600 Where they're easily found
00:36:17.520 And I think you know
00:36:18.160 Unfortunately that's odd
00:36:19.180 While it is quite
00:36:20.060 You know
00:36:20.800 Hypocritical
00:36:23.420 That like you said
00:36:24.360 Bruce Fangio
00:36:24.940 Was elected
00:36:25.520 By going door to door
00:36:26.680 You know
00:36:27.160 Fear mongering
00:36:28.120 To everybody
00:36:28.720 In the riding of Carlton
00:36:29.760 That Pierre Polyev
00:36:30.440 Was going to cut their job
00:36:31.400 But I mean
00:36:31.760 I suppose Pierre Polyev
00:36:32.740 Is going to get the last laugh
00:36:33.720 When half his former constituents
00:36:35.640 Do in fact lose their job
00:36:36.780 Well we'll have to wait
00:36:37.980 And see on that
00:36:38.700 I certainly don't hope
00:36:39.440 Anyone loses their job
00:36:40.420 But sometimes it's the reality
00:36:41.820 Right sizing is what you need to do
00:36:43.100 Warren real quick
00:36:44.280 In about 30 seconds
00:36:45.460 When we hear the news
00:36:47.560 That we've just been talking
00:36:48.360 About the uncertainty
00:36:48.860 That comes from a bad actor
00:36:49.920 Like Donald Trump
00:36:50.940 Does it make it more likely
00:36:52.880 That our Prime Minister's
00:36:56.120 Rhetoric on pipelines
00:36:57.780 Becomes more definitive
00:36:59.120 Well that's one thing
00:37:02.840 He's been quite clear on
00:37:04.000 And if you look at
00:37:04.780 That Angus Reid Institute poll
00:37:06.240 That came out about
00:37:07.020 Two weeks ago
00:37:07.820 Three weeks ago
00:37:08.760 It was very clear
00:37:10.160 That Canadians
00:37:10.840 From coast to coast
00:37:11.960 Right, left, old, young
00:37:13.660 Are decidedly on the side
00:37:16.600 Of the argument
00:37:17.240 That we need to get
00:37:18.620 Our products to market
00:37:20.740 We need to get
00:37:21.400 Our resources to market
00:37:22.640 So there's a lot
00:37:23.620 Of support for that
00:37:24.540 So you see everybody
00:37:25.620 From, you know
00:37:26.840 Doug Ford in Ontario
00:37:27.980 To Wob Canoe
00:37:28.840 In Manitoba
00:37:29.680 Echoing that
00:37:30.580 There's two carve-outs
00:37:31.980 Though
00:37:32.360 We're going to hold on
00:37:34.500 I'm going to ask you
00:37:35.200 About those carve-outs
00:37:35.800 When we come back
00:37:36.380 From the break
00:37:36.680 Don't go anywhere
00:37:37.260 This is the Ben Mulroney Show
00:37:38.220 Welcome back
00:37:41.060 To the Ben Mulroney Show
00:37:42.000 I'm very pleased to have
00:37:43.160 On this political road trip
00:37:44.560 As my co-pilots
00:37:45.780 Chris Chapin
00:37:46.380 And Warren Kinsella
00:37:47.240 Let's talk about
00:37:48.700 The crossroads
00:37:49.760 That the NDP
00:37:50.400 Federally
00:37:51.460 Find themselves at
00:37:52.560 In the form
00:37:53.860 Of a leadership contest
00:37:55.180 Following the worst
00:37:56.580 Showing that they've had
00:37:57.380 In 60 years
00:37:58.180 At the polls
00:37:58.700 In their existence
00:37:59.760 And losing official party status
00:38:01.540 And their leader
00:38:02.580 Losing his seat
00:38:03.560 Jagmeet Singh
00:38:04.720 Went the way of the dodo bird
00:38:05.860 And now the NDP
00:38:06.880 Are going to be picking
00:38:07.460 A new leader
00:38:08.440 By the end of March
00:38:09.660 Of next year
00:38:11.160 They have settled
00:38:12.340 On a six-month race
00:38:14.080 Starting in September
00:38:15.020 With a $100,000
00:38:16.320 Entry fee
00:38:17.580 Now I don't know
00:38:18.200 That the NDP
00:38:18.840 As a party
00:38:19.980 Can find $100,000
00:38:21.400 Let alone candidates
00:38:22.320 That want to run it
00:38:23.260 But that's their problem
00:38:24.400 To figure out
00:38:25.100 The question is
00:38:26.400 Like most parties do
00:38:27.580 What do we do
00:38:28.440 Was our message
00:38:29.320 Was our tone
00:38:30.200 Was our vision wrong
00:38:31.540 Or was it not pure enough
00:38:34.120 That happens a lot
00:38:34.940 In the conservative party
00:38:36.480 That happens a lot
00:38:37.420 When Republicans lose
00:38:38.520 In the states
00:38:38.980 The Democrats
00:38:39.600 Are going through that
00:38:40.280 As well
00:38:40.740 Do we go the way
00:38:42.420 Of the extreme voices
00:38:43.620 In our party
00:38:44.200 Or do we tack more
00:38:45.520 To the traditionals
00:38:46.440 In the party
00:38:47.580 Chris let's start with you
00:38:49.560 What do you
00:38:50.000 What kind of candidates
00:38:51.720 Should be presenting
00:38:52.980 And for them to achieve
00:38:55.700 True resurrection
00:38:57.480 What's the best version
00:39:00.060 Of this party
00:39:00.560 For 2025
00:39:01.440 Oh I think you're on
00:39:07.100 I think you're on mute
00:39:07.760 My friend
00:39:08.160 So we'll go to Warren
00:39:09.200 Warren
00:39:09.860 Same question
00:39:10.800 Different person
00:39:11.380 Well I think it is possible
00:39:14.520 For the NDP
00:39:15.200 To be sensible
00:39:16.740 Social Democrats
00:39:17.920 And Wob Canoe
00:39:18.860 Has shown that
00:39:20.640 EB in British Columbia
00:39:22.860 Has shown us that
00:39:24.180 It is possible
00:39:25.620 But the federal NDP
00:39:27.580 Became a rump
00:39:29.960 They became an extension
00:39:32.220 Of Justin Trudeau's government
00:39:34.920 And they were obviously
00:39:36.120 Hurt by that
00:39:36.980 And they also started
00:39:38.220 Getting more concerned
00:39:39.140 About Gaza
00:39:39.860 Than Guelph
00:39:40.660 And kind of losing
00:39:41.980 The narrative
00:39:42.700 Losing their purpose
00:39:44.920 And I see no indication
00:39:47.420 That they've learned
00:39:48.100 The lesson of the election campaign
00:39:49.740 One of the leading candidates
00:39:51.560 Supposedly
00:39:52.480 For their leadership
00:39:53.580 Is Avi Lewis
00:39:54.720 And Avi is a friend of mine
00:39:55.820 I used to be on his show
00:39:56.900 Full disclosure
00:39:57.980 He's a great guy
00:39:59.000 But he's the author
00:40:00.700 But he's the author
00:40:00.720 Of the Leap Manifesto
00:40:02.560 With his wife
00:40:04.120 Naomi Klein
00:40:05.000 And it's crazy
00:40:06.940 It reads like something
00:40:08.340 Out of the Soviet Union
00:40:09.520 So I really don't get
00:40:12.320 Any indication or sense
00:40:13.720 That they've learned
00:40:14.620 Their lessons
00:40:15.360 And that they're going
00:40:16.600 To correct their course
00:40:18.160 But we will see
00:40:19.600 Chris, let's take this
00:40:21.680 In a
00:40:21.980 Let's have a thought
00:40:23.060 Experiment here
00:40:23.860 If you believe
00:40:25.500 That the country
00:40:26.820 Needs an NDP
00:40:27.640 If you believe
00:40:28.280 That they have
00:40:28.900 At their best
00:40:30.340 Been the conscience
00:40:31.320 Of parliament
00:40:31.960 Right
00:40:32.300 And if they stand up
00:40:33.320 For the things
00:40:33.760 That they believe
00:40:34.260 They can get other people
00:40:35.080 To champion
00:40:36.340 Other parties
00:40:36.880 That will form
00:40:37.700 Government champion
00:40:38.360 Then you believe
00:40:39.720 That at their strongest
00:40:41.360 They have been
00:40:42.900 A reasonable
00:40:45.040 Relatively reasonable
00:40:46.320 Voice for workers' rights
00:40:47.800 For environmental rights
00:40:49.360 And the like
00:40:50.200 Is there a play here
00:40:52.700 For those people
00:40:54.020 Who are getting crowded out
00:40:55.180 By the eve anglers
00:40:56.320 Of the world
00:40:57.020 By the loud
00:40:58.180 Obnoxious trolls
00:40:59.980 That are single-minded
00:41:02.000 In their self-righteous
00:41:03.980 Attacks on anyone
00:41:06.640 Who disagrees with them
00:41:07.580 Maybe they go off
00:41:09.280 And lift a page
00:41:11.160 From the conservative
00:41:11.820 Coalition
00:41:12.380 And go start
00:41:13.060 Their own party
00:41:13.660 Yeah
00:41:15.940 It's a tough question
00:41:18.020 Ben
00:41:18.240 Because I think
00:41:18.980 You have to ignore
00:41:20.140 The realities
00:41:20.720 Of what other
00:41:21.660 Political parties
00:41:22.340 Are able to do
00:41:23.060 Right
00:41:23.320 I think you look
00:41:23.980 At what the conservatives
00:41:24.760 Have done
00:41:25.240 At the federal level
00:41:26.780 But at many
00:41:27.260 Provincial levels
00:41:27.940 And they've eaten
00:41:28.720 The NDP's lunch
00:41:29.600 On blue-collar workers
00:41:31.480 And union workers
00:41:32.280 Because they put forward
00:41:34.080 A message that resonated
00:41:34.980 For them
00:41:35.380 And we've seen
00:41:35.820 That shift
00:41:36.280 Just about across
00:41:37.400 The entire country
00:41:38.080 Where blue-collar workers
00:41:39.460 Are with conservatives
00:41:40.100 And the liberals
00:41:41.280 Have done a great job
00:41:42.300 Being the voice
00:41:43.020 For environmentalists
00:41:44.240 And so
00:41:44.640 If you believe
00:41:46.300 In environmental
00:41:47.300 And climate change
00:41:48.920 And that sort of stuff
00:41:50.680 You're probably
00:41:51.500 Camped pretty hard
00:41:52.300 In the liberal tent
00:41:53.740 Right now
00:41:54.200 So is there a need
00:41:55.860 For a voice of reason
00:41:56.840 Maybe that conscience
00:41:58.400 On the left
00:41:59.040 In parliament
00:41:59.560 I suppose so
00:42:00.640 I agree with Warren
00:42:02.140 I think the NDP
00:42:03.000 Has gotten so lost
00:42:05.600 In the weeds
00:42:06.380 In most jurisdictions
00:42:08.380 But not all
00:42:09.100 I think Rob Canoe
00:42:10.200 Is a perfect example
00:42:11.040 Somebody maybe
00:42:12.520 A little leftist center
00:42:13.560 That understands
00:42:15.240 What the majority
00:42:16.720 Of people
00:42:17.220 What resonates
00:42:18.420 With the majority
00:42:18.960 Of people
00:42:19.260 Even if they might
00:42:19.760 Not vote for him
00:42:20.420 He knows how
00:42:21.180 To not offend them
00:42:21.980 And that's what
00:42:22.800 A lot of the folks
00:42:23.580 On the left
00:42:23.960 Have lost sight of
00:42:25.280 And so from a
00:42:26.080 Political party standpoint
00:42:27.480 You need to do
00:42:28.340 Some soul searching
00:42:29.140 And I'm perplexed
00:42:31.040 Why they thought
00:42:31.960 A six month race
00:42:32.820 Was a good idea
00:42:33.480 I understand
00:42:34.140 We're in a minority
00:42:34.860 Parliament
00:42:35.280 But I don't have
00:42:36.660 A clue who they
00:42:37.580 Think's gonna
00:42:38.100 Rise from the ashes
00:42:39.520 In the next six months
00:42:40.480 That's gonna put them
00:42:41.180 In a better position
00:42:41.920 Than maybe waiting
00:42:43.020 Out 12 months
00:42:43.840 Maybe waiting out
00:42:44.600 18 months
00:42:45.280 To see if somebody
00:42:46.040 Like Rob Canoe
00:42:46.780 Might take a
00:42:48.080 Take a thought
00:42:48.820 At running for
00:42:49.380 The federal leadership
00:42:50.120 Because there are
00:42:50.780 Some strong new
00:42:51.400 Democrats out there
00:42:52.160 That I think
00:42:52.600 Could lead this party
00:42:53.320 Well sure
00:42:53.700 I just don't think
00:42:54.240 You're gonna find it
00:42:54.900 I don't think
00:42:55.520 You're gonna find anything
00:42:56.180 In the next six months
00:42:57.160 Chris that's
00:42:58.300 That's gotta be
00:42:58.940 The most frustrating
00:42:59.760 Thing for those
00:43:00.580 Who in good faith
00:43:01.240 Really do want
00:43:01.940 To rebuild this party
00:43:02.800 And they look
00:43:03.260 To the Wab Canoes
00:43:04.000 And say if only
00:43:04.620 We could get a guy
00:43:05.240 Like that
00:43:05.760 To resign
00:43:07.400 From his leadership
00:43:08.460 Position as the
00:43:09.540 Premier of Manitoba
00:43:10.320 And come help us
00:43:11.300 Rebuild
00:43:11.660 We would have a shot
00:43:12.600 And we would have
00:43:13.000 A shout of
00:43:13.440 Crowding out
00:43:14.540 Those louder
00:43:15.320 More activist voices
00:43:17.940 In favor of building
00:43:19.100 A true left of center
00:43:20.700 Coalition
00:43:21.220 But the problem is
00:43:22.400 He is building
00:43:23.920 A province
00:43:25.300 He is in control
00:43:26.680 Of the finances
00:43:27.760 He controls
00:43:28.560 The levers of power
00:43:29.400 People listen to him
00:43:30.560 For him
00:43:31.480 Or anyone like him
00:43:32.800 Who has achieved success
00:43:34.480 Under an NDP banner
00:43:36.420 Most of them
00:43:37.800 Provincially
00:43:39.380 There's no way
00:43:40.780 They're gonna give up
00:43:41.700 Those
00:43:42.740 You know
00:43:43.640 Either being in power
00:43:45.200 Or having a shot
00:43:45.940 At power
00:43:46.480 To go
00:43:47.280 Sort of put out
00:43:48.220 The dumpster fire
00:43:49.180 That is this
00:43:50.080 That is this
00:43:51.000 Rump of a former
00:43:52.000 Glorious
00:43:52.880 Socially
00:43:54.140 Socially progressive party
00:43:55.820 No of course not
00:43:58.240 I mean you're talking
00:43:58.800 About a party
00:43:59.340 That has seven seats
00:44:00.460 Right now
00:44:00.880 We used to joke
00:44:01.580 Here in Ontario
00:44:02.240 When the Liberals
00:44:03.260 Got knocked down
00:44:03.980 To seven seats
00:44:04.580 They were the
00:44:04.960 Minivan party
00:44:05.700 In Ontario
00:44:06.640 You've got the NDP
00:44:07.500 The minivan party
00:44:08.620 Across the country
00:44:09.400 Right now
00:44:09.760 So no
00:44:10.100 Nobody's gonna
00:44:10.600 Unfortunately
00:44:11.620 For their sake
00:44:12.200 And that's why
00:44:12.600 I do think
00:44:13.080 They need to go rebuild
00:44:14.060 I think
00:44:14.480 You look at
00:44:15.280 What the NDP
00:44:15.820 Did provincially
00:44:16.480 Here in Ontario
00:44:17.280 They called
00:44:18.300 A pretty quick
00:44:18.900 Leadership race
00:44:20.140 After the
00:44:21.060 The 2018
00:44:21.900 Defeat
00:44:23.000 No sorry
00:44:24.300 The 2022 defeat
00:44:25.160 And you find
00:44:26.300 Yourselves in a position
00:44:27.140 Where
00:44:27.460 It's very challenging
00:44:29.820 And you know
00:44:30.700 In Marit Stout's case
00:44:31.920 You know
00:44:32.280 Nobody ran against her
00:44:33.240 Yeah
00:44:33.400 And that's
00:44:34.580 I think that's a position
00:44:35.560 They might find themselves
00:44:36.420 In federally
00:44:37.140 Warren like
00:44:38.240 What do you make of it
00:44:39.340 Because on one hand
00:44:40.760 The frustrated
00:44:42.860 People at the federal level
00:44:44.320 Look to these
00:44:45.860 Golden boys and girls
00:44:47.260 Provincially
00:44:48.400 And say
00:44:48.720 Look how successful
00:44:49.800 They've been
00:44:50.360 We can bring them
00:44:51.300 Back into the federal fold
00:44:52.440 And they can then
00:44:53.080 Take us to where
00:44:53.760 They took
00:44:54.460 But it's because
00:44:55.860 Because they've reached
00:44:57.520 The top of the mountain
00:44:58.160 Provincially
00:44:58.640 There's no chance
00:44:59.880 They're gonna join
00:45:00.580 This sinking ship
00:45:02.260 Federally
00:45:02.720 No
00:45:04.560 It's like the
00:45:05.260 Doug Ford thing
00:45:06.220 It's like okay
00:45:07.100 Doug Ford's a successful
00:45:08.840 Three term
00:45:09.640 Majority premier
00:45:10.740 He's gonna actually
00:45:12.300 Give up power
00:45:13.200 To be the leader
00:45:14.000 Of the opposition
00:45:14.720 In Ottawa
00:45:15.180 For four
00:45:15.880 Or maybe even
00:45:16.920 Eight years
00:45:17.660 Like are you on drugs
00:45:18.780 Like it's just
00:45:19.400 Not gonna happen
00:45:20.080 Same thing with
00:45:21.120 Wob Canu
00:45:21.780 Like you're going
00:45:23.040 To stop being
00:45:24.060 Premier of Manitoba
00:45:25.660 To lead a party
00:45:27.520 That isn't even
00:45:28.400 A recognized party
00:45:29.700 In the House of Commons
00:45:30.420 Yeah
00:45:30.660 Give your head a shake
00:45:31.740 I know
00:45:32.140 It's not gonna happen
00:45:32.720 They need to
00:45:33.820 They need to look
00:45:34.680 At what they've got
00:45:35.580 And what they've got
00:45:36.260 Ain't so good
00:45:37.060 And what they got
00:45:37.860 Ain't so good
00:45:38.460 And Wob Canu
00:45:39.220 He's got so many
00:45:40.660 Good things going for him
00:45:41.640 Never mind the fact
00:45:42.100 He's young
00:45:42.640 And he's positive
00:45:43.340 And he's confident
00:45:44.100 And people listen to him
00:45:45.000 And he's raising
00:45:45.980 The profile of that province
00:45:47.080 But he's speaking
00:45:48.020 So ambitiously
00:45:48.920 About that province
00:45:49.840 About building
00:45:50.720 These national
00:45:51.400 Infrastructure programs
00:45:52.380 That could turn
00:45:52.900 That he believes
00:45:54.040 Could turn Manitoba
00:45:55.220 Into a half province
00:45:56.660 For the first time
00:45:57.340 In its history
00:45:58.520 He wants that accomplishment
00:46:00.260 He wants that accolade
00:46:01.640 Now that positivity
00:46:03.680 If he's able to do that
00:46:05.540 There may be a halo effect
00:46:07.960 That eventually helps
00:46:09.240 The NDP federally
00:46:10.220 But he needs to build that
00:46:11.860 In Manitoba for now
00:46:13.320 This is
00:46:13.740 Like Chris
00:46:14.680 I honestly don't see
00:46:16.580 I don't see this being
00:46:18.620 Successful for them
00:46:19.860 In any way
00:46:20.240 I mean Chris
00:46:20.760 I don't even see
00:46:21.460 A whole lot of people
00:46:22.040 Showing up to want
00:46:22.640 To run this thing
00:46:23.360 Don't try and say
00:46:34.300 I didn't warn ya
00:46:35.560 Should've left those games
00:46:39.820 In California
00:46:40.760 You've got a knife
00:46:45.420 Well I've got a gun
00:46:46.680 If you're gonna walk
00:46:48.100 Then I'm gonna run
00:46:49.420 Right over you
00:46:51.060 Cause I've got nothing to lose
00:46:55.020 Whoa, whoa
00:46:57.180 He's a dirty thief
00:47:00.440 Whoa, whoa
00:47:02.680 Stay the hell away from me
00:47:05.940 All you want
00:47:09.060 Is to take the money and run
00:47:11.200 You son of a bitch
00:47:12.640 I've had it
00:47:14.040 Stay away from me
00:47:17.440 Go ahead
00:47:22.920 I'll let you
00:47:23.500 Take the first punch
00:47:24.760 Cause honey
00:47:28.340 I know
00:47:28.820 You ain't got much
00:47:30.200 You're going down
00:47:34.500 In front of your friends
00:47:35.860 You try to get up
00:47:37.080 I'll knock your ass out again
00:47:38.420 I mean
00:47:39.180 All disrespect
00:47:40.640 Yes
00:47:41.200 Yes
00:47:41.260 Whoa, whoa
00:47:46.760 He's a dirty thief
00:47:49.540 Whoa, whoa
00:47:51.760 Stay the hell away from me
00:47:55.040 All you want
00:47:58.120 Is to take the money and run
00:48:00.280 You son of a bitch
00:48:01.740 I've had it
00:48:03.180 Stay away from me
00:48:06.840 Stay away from me
00:48:17.420 You're a snake
00:48:22.180 You're a liar
00:48:22.880 I'm sick and I'm tired
00:48:24.260 Of you running your mouth
00:48:26.460 You're a snake
00:48:27.580 You're a liar
00:48:28.340 I'm sick and I'm tired
00:48:29.700 I'm ending this shit now
00:48:32.000 Whoa, whoa
00:48:36.120 He's a dirty thief
00:48:38.580 Whoa, whoa
00:48:40.980 Stay the hell away from me
00:48:44.220 All you want
00:48:47.200 Is to take the money and run
00:48:49.440 You son of a bitch
00:48:50.820 I've had it
00:48:52.260 Stay away from me
00:48:55.960 Stay away from me
00:49:01.080 You better stay away
00:49:05.600 Stay the hell away
00:49:10.960 Stay away from me
00:49:17.200 And we're back
00:49:18.140 We're back with this later Kinsella cast
00:49:20.920 with John Mraz
00:49:21.840 who's kindly agreed to chat later in the day
00:49:25.660 And I wish the news was good
00:49:28.520 But what we've heard
00:49:30.800 What we've learned in recent days
00:49:32.680 Is that Russia launched more aerial attacks on Ukraine
00:49:37.960 In the month of June
00:49:39.360 Than any other month in the war so far
00:49:42.720 Which has gone on for I think 1,200 days
00:49:46.040 Causing the highest number of civilians killed
00:49:50.340 Or wounded since the war started
00:49:53.400 Three years ago
00:49:55.100 More than three years ago
00:49:56.220 And so drones
00:49:58.360 Cruise missiles
00:49:59.780 Ballistic missiles
00:50:01.300 Just an extraordinary number of attacks
00:50:05.920 On civilians
00:50:07.940 On people who are not soldiers
00:50:10.460 Just people
00:50:11.740 John
00:50:13.500 I'm sure you share the concern
00:50:16.580 That I and everybody's got
00:50:18.100 About how bad this is getting
00:50:20.380 Can you give us any sense
00:50:22.140 Of what you are hearing
00:50:23.280 From people you know in Ukraine
00:50:24.620 About what has been taking place
00:50:26.800 Over the past few weeks
00:50:28.020 So very laterally
00:50:30.740 Putin just invited
00:50:32.200 A million new immigrants from India
00:50:34.020 To come in
00:50:34.700 And perform the jobs
00:50:36.980 Of the million young men
00:50:38.840 That he killed
00:50:39.600 In this manufactured war
00:50:41.160 That keeps I think
00:50:42.500 Seven strong economies going
00:50:44.200 And nothing ever goes wrong
00:50:45.440 As I said earlier on
00:50:46.500 When the government came up
00:50:47.580 And you have Russia's entire economy
00:50:52.700 Now driven by old men
00:50:54.400 Like this is all about money
00:50:56.300 And it is
00:50:57.220 So the missiles are being fired
00:50:58.900 Because there aren't enough people
00:51:00.760 On the front lines
00:51:01.500 Not moving
00:51:02.180 World War I
00:51:03.820 Stalemates
00:51:05.540 So they're firing technology
00:51:07.880 To create jobs
00:51:09.740 And it's horrific
00:51:12.160 And it solves nothing
00:51:13.440 And it brings the war
00:51:14.340 No closer to an end
00:51:15.600 And no one cares
00:51:16.640 What Donald Trump
00:51:17.600 And his filet-o-fish
00:51:19.020 Riddle brain
00:51:19.920 Think
00:51:20.900 Okay
00:51:21.560 Well let's
00:51:22.220 Let's get into that
00:51:23.720 So
00:51:24.640 The
00:51:26.200 Trump
00:51:27.200 Has
00:51:28.340 Really for the first time
00:51:30.520 Indicated
00:51:31.180 I mean
00:51:32.100 The degree of the carnage
00:51:33.740 Has even penetrated
00:51:34.900 His tiny cranium
00:51:36.100 And he's indicated
00:51:38.440 How unhappy he is
00:51:40.120 With Vladimir Putin
00:51:41.200 Something he's never
00:51:42.300 Really said before
00:51:43.500 And you know
00:51:44.800 He doesn't listen to me
00:51:46.000 And so on
00:51:46.520 It's kind of weird
00:51:47.380 Hearing that
00:51:47.960 From a U.S. president
00:51:49.180 Has
00:51:50.020 Has Putin just
00:51:51.080 Decided to openly
00:51:52.480 Defy
00:51:53.200 What Trump is saying
00:51:54.640 Because he knows
00:51:55.500 Nothing's going to happen
00:51:56.560 To him
00:51:57.000 Putin has given
00:51:58.400 Less than zero fucks
00:51:59.640 About what Mr.
00:52:00.520 Compromise
00:52:01.020 And Biden
00:52:01.500 Bought the entire time
00:52:02.940 Clearly the United States
00:52:05.260 Are not prepared
00:52:05.800 To put boots
00:52:06.540 On the ground
00:52:07.180 And so
00:52:08.420 They're making money
00:52:09.380 By selling
00:52:09.980 Or giving arms
00:52:10.700 Being a complicated way
00:52:11.740 To either Europe
00:52:12.380 Then to Ukraine
00:52:13.080 Or Ukraine
00:52:13.940 Mr. Trump
00:52:15.520 If he genuinely
00:52:16.400 The Vladimir
00:52:17.320 Vladimir
00:52:18.100 Putin
00:52:18.660 Gave any shits
00:52:19.900 About him
00:52:20.380 Is not
00:52:22.300 As savvy
00:52:23.160 And smart
00:52:23.640 As I actually
00:52:24.440 Genuinely
00:52:24.940 Think he is
00:52:25.600 And I also
00:52:26.200 Don't think
00:52:26.800 He's the one
00:52:27.520 Speaking
00:52:27.920 I think
00:52:28.320 He's got
00:52:28.640 A cabal
00:52:29.280 Of people
00:52:30.640 Like Miller
00:52:31.220 And Bannon
00:52:31.940 Behind him
00:52:32.740 Who are
00:52:33.140 Quite clever
00:52:33.900 Fascist
00:52:34.660 Horribly
00:52:35.760 Dangerous
00:52:36.560 And Mr. Trump
00:52:38.040 Is a witting
00:52:39.420 And willing
00:52:39.960 Clown
00:52:40.580 And again
00:52:41.400 I mean
00:52:41.680 I hate to
00:52:42.400 All the way
00:52:42.800 To yourself
00:52:43.200 There's no end
00:52:43.860 To this war
00:52:44.300 In sight
00:52:44.780 There's no resolution
00:52:46.680 Trump has no
00:52:48.840 Effect or impact
00:52:50.200 Putin depends
00:52:51.620 On the war
00:52:52.260 To keep
00:52:53.000 The Russian
00:52:53.580 Proletariat
00:52:54.380 From killing
00:52:55.280 Him
00:52:55.500 North Korea
00:52:57.080 Has a nice
00:52:57.980 New distraction
00:52:58.820 China is making
00:52:59.980 Money
00:53:00.420 Xi
00:53:01.140 Unders fire
00:53:01.920 Disappearing
00:53:03.020 He needs
00:53:03.780 The war
00:53:04.240 To keep
00:53:04.680 Himself
00:53:05.480 In the
00:53:05.840 Cosmopol
00:53:06.360 So pretty much
00:53:07.780 I can't even
00:53:09.200 Have an orgasm
00:53:10.100 Lately
00:53:10.360 There's no hope
00:53:11.260 Anywhere around
00:53:12.060 The world
00:53:12.440 Those are my thoughts
00:53:13.760 Okay
00:53:14.880 So in
00:53:16.320 The Israeli
00:53:17.500 Hamas conflict
00:53:18.760 While there is
00:53:20.240 Still a loss
00:53:20.880 Of life
00:53:21.420 It's not on
00:53:22.860 The scale
00:53:23.260 Of what we're
00:53:23.780 Seeing in
00:53:24.820 Russia
00:53:25.240 And Ukraine
00:53:26.920 Or in Ukraine
00:53:27.800 And like
00:53:30.160 Is that a case
00:53:30.900 Of people
00:53:31.500 Heeding
00:53:32.100 What Trump
00:53:33.680 Has to say
00:53:34.660 Is it because
00:53:35.880 Hamas has run
00:53:36.920 Out of
00:53:37.460 You know
00:53:38.000 Cannon fodder
00:53:38.980 It's run out
00:53:40.020 Of leadership
00:53:40.600 Like what
00:53:41.200 What is the
00:53:42.680 Reason why
00:53:43.480 We're seeing
00:53:44.060 A relative
00:53:44.780 A comparative
00:53:46.180 Degree of calm
00:53:47.340 In the Hamas
00:53:48.720 Israel conflict
00:53:49.940 Okay so
00:53:51.500 Logistically
00:53:52.120 Qatar and
00:53:53.220 Iran
00:53:53.800 Are having
00:53:54.400 Trouble supplying
00:53:55.420 The West Bank
00:53:57.100 And of course
00:53:57.700 More importantly
00:53:58.280 Gaza
00:53:58.760 Because they're
00:53:59.680 Both tuckered out
00:54:00.600 Israelis
00:54:01.140 Turned the entire
00:54:02.320 Place into a
00:54:03.000 Parking lot
00:54:03.480 They clearly need
00:54:04.360 New leadership
00:54:05.040 I don't think
00:54:06.220 They fought a
00:54:06.800 Fair ethical
00:54:07.500 War
00:54:07.940 I think
00:54:08.500 Israel has
00:54:09.060 The right
00:54:09.320 To exist
00:54:09.840 And I
00:54:10.140 Think that
00:54:10.600 For every
00:54:11.200 Day of our
00:54:11.740 Lives
00:54:12.080 These people
00:54:14.300 Have been
00:54:14.640 Fighting in
00:54:15.360 The name
00:54:15.720 Of gods
00:54:16.380 And young
00:54:17.620 Men and
00:54:17.940 Women have
00:54:18.360 Been getting
00:54:18.780 Slaughtered
00:54:19.440 And leaders
00:54:20.600 Are elected
00:54:21.220 And direct
00:54:23.640 A permanent
00:54:24.800 Conflict
00:54:25.520 Because they
00:54:26.540 Believe they
00:54:27.320 Have a divine
00:54:28.220 Right to the
00:54:29.100 Possession of
00:54:29.980 That territory
00:54:30.840 And to me
00:54:31.640 It's absurd
00:54:32.620 That's what
00:54:33.380 I think
00:54:33.700 Yeah but
00:54:34.540 That's all
00:54:35.800 Well and good
00:54:36.360 And I think
00:54:36.760 Most people
00:54:37.320 Would agree
00:54:37.840 With that
00:54:38.360 But I mean
00:54:39.440 Is this
00:54:41.000 Conflict
00:54:41.880 Going to
00:54:42.960 Come to an
00:54:44.080 End
00:54:44.240 You've got
00:54:44.640 Serious people
00:54:45.460 Now writing
00:54:46.220 That they
00:54:47.440 Think that
00:54:48.000 That is
00:54:48.400 Possible
00:54:48.960 Why do you
00:54:49.620 Think that
00:54:50.040 It is not
00:54:50.640 Right back
00:54:52.520 To the fact
00:54:52.920 That all
00:54:53.300 These people
00:54:53.760 Genuinely
00:54:54.360 Believe
00:54:54.800 I didn't
00:54:56.100 I didn't
00:54:56.560 Actually believe
00:54:57.240 They believe
00:54:57.760 That leadership
00:54:58.420 Of Hamas
00:54:59.380 Who I met
00:55:00.000 And the leadership
00:55:00.540 Of Fatah
00:55:01.240 I thought
00:55:02.520 That it was
00:55:03.160 A con
00:55:03.680 These people
00:55:04.540 Genuinely believe
00:55:05.640 They have a
00:55:06.060 Divine right
00:55:06.640 To that land
00:55:07.400 That in one
00:55:08.380 Case the Jews
00:55:09.040 Should all die
00:55:09.700 And in the
00:55:10.100 Other case
00:55:10.620 I suppose
00:55:12.620 You would call
00:55:13.340 Them Jordanians
00:55:15.040 Or Egyptians
00:55:15.580 Shouldn't be
00:55:16.500 There
00:55:16.800 They're having
00:55:17.980 An argument
00:55:18.480 That will never
00:55:19.540 End until
00:55:20.600 People decide
00:55:22.140 That that
00:55:23.760 Religious
00:55:24.600 Orthodoxy
00:55:25.400 That that
00:55:25.880 Fight
00:55:26.380 Is meaningless
00:55:28.940 Inventions
00:55:29.960 That just
00:55:32.240 You know
00:55:33.580 Where I'm
00:55:33.840 Going
00:55:33.980 It's horribly
00:55:35.680 Depressing
00:55:36.140 To say
00:55:36.580 They're going
00:55:37.300 To rearm
00:55:37.920 Reorganize
00:55:38.940 It will start
00:55:39.560 Over
00:55:39.900 And throughout
00:55:40.700 My life
00:55:41.420 And our
00:55:41.780 Sons and
00:55:42.520 Daughters
00:55:42.840 Lives
00:55:43.280 It will go
00:55:43.880 On and on
00:55:44.620 Until people
00:55:45.200 Say
00:55:45.460 God has
00:55:46.320 Nothing to do
00:55:46.940 In real
00:55:47.260 Real estate
00:55:47.600 Okay
00:55:49.280 Final question
00:55:50.220 Which is
00:55:52.040 About
00:55:52.520 What Mr.
00:55:53.960 Carney
00:55:54.240 Is trying
00:55:54.760 To do
00:55:55.220 With Trump
00:55:55.920 With achieving
00:55:58.940 A trade deal
00:55:59.800 Even though
00:56:00.380 We actually
00:56:01.000 Theoretically
00:56:01.720 Still have
00:56:02.360 One in place
00:56:03.020 The USMCA
00:56:04.080 And not
00:56:06.140 Withstanding
00:56:06.580 The fact
00:56:07.040 That real
00:56:08.300 Serious
00:56:08.980 Discussions
00:56:09.540 Are taking
00:56:10.140 Place
00:56:10.620 Trump continues
00:56:11.460 To make
00:56:11.940 Threats
00:56:12.400 Against
00:56:12.800 Canada
00:56:13.340 And the
00:56:13.800 European
00:56:14.100 Union
00:56:14.620 And the
00:56:15.380 Mexicans
00:56:15.960 And pretty
00:56:16.460 Much the
00:56:16.820 Entire
00:56:17.180 World
00:56:17.540 I've written
00:56:19.120 About this
00:56:19.660 In post
00:56:20.240 Media
00:56:20.660 Today
00:56:21.260 I think
00:56:22.460 It's a
00:56:22.820 Waste
00:56:23.100 Of time
00:56:23.820 For us
00:56:26.140 To craft
00:56:26.620 A new
00:56:26.940 Deal
00:56:27.200 Because he's
00:56:28.160 You know
00:56:28.580 Violating the
00:56:29.580 Last one
00:56:30.180 Like who's
00:56:31.100 To say he's
00:56:31.620 Not going to
00:56:32.020 Do it again
00:56:32.580 Do you
00:56:33.520 Have a
00:56:34.080 Sunnier
00:56:34.780 Outlook
00:56:35.320 Than me
00:56:35.700 Do you
00:56:36.000 Think that
00:56:36.380 It's worthwhile
00:56:37.100 For Carney
00:56:37.680 To be doing
00:56:38.460 What he is
00:56:39.380 Doing
00:56:39.740 I think
00:56:40.680 Carney
00:56:41.120 Unfortunately
00:56:41.600 Has to be
00:56:42.080 Responsive
00:56:42.760 And reactive
00:56:43.340 To an
00:56:44.020 Administration
00:56:44.600 That spends
00:56:45.420 More money
00:56:46.220 Of 55.5
00:56:48.080 Billion
00:56:48.400 On an
00:56:49.040 Agency
00:56:49.420 That's supposed
00:56:49.960 To be
00:56:50.200 Cleaning
00:56:50.520 Out immigrants
00:56:51.100 But sure
00:56:51.600 Looks like
00:56:52.080 A new
00:56:52.380 Model army
00:56:52.940 For a
00:56:53.360 Fascist
00:56:53.820 Permanent
00:56:54.260 Residency
00:56:54.920 Of the
00:56:55.920 Trump
00:56:56.240 Administration
00:56:57.140 I think
00:56:58.360 That we
00:56:59.300 Are the
00:57:00.800 Mount
00:57:01.060 Slitting
00:57:01.360 Next to
00:57:01.760 The Elephants
00:57:02.260 I think
00:57:02.860 That the
00:57:03.280 United States
00:57:03.820 Needs
00:57:04.120 Our resources
00:57:04.800 I think
00:57:05.240 Trump has
00:57:05.780 Not pulled
00:57:06.440 The trigger
00:57:06.940 On any
00:57:07.960 Of these
00:57:08.300 Terrors
00:57:08.620 Because all
00:57:09.460 Of the
00:57:09.620 Redneck
00:57:10.600 Inbred
00:57:11.260 Piglet
00:57:11.860 Hooves
00:57:12.400 That got
00:57:13.240 Him elected
00:57:13.760 Are going
00:57:14.660 To have
00:57:14.840 To pay
00:57:15.160 Ten bucks
00:57:15.840 For eggs
00:57:16.300 And the
00:57:16.900 Civil War
00:57:17.340 And when
00:57:18.640 I say
00:57:18.940 I sound
00:57:19.560 Like a
00:57:19.960 Spiratory
00:57:20.500 I'm generally
00:57:22.000 A rational
00:57:22.400 Person
00:57:22.760 I think
00:57:23.560 The United
00:57:23.940 States
00:57:24.400 Is falling
00:57:24.920 Apart
00:57:25.160 Very
00:57:25.600 Quickly
00:57:26.000 And I
00:57:26.680 Think it
00:57:26.920 Might be
00:57:27.220 A deliberate
00:57:27.740 Act
00:57:28.140 And I
00:57:28.360 Think
00:57:28.520 Canada
00:57:28.860 Is just
00:57:29.420 A foil
00:57:29.940 In that
00:57:30.740 Strategy
00:57:31.760 All right
00:57:32.380 John
00:57:33.200 Mraz
00:57:33.560 Thank you
00:57:34.540 For depressing
00:57:35.220 The hell
00:57:35.680 Out of
00:57:35.960 Everybody
00:57:36.320 This week
00:57:37.080 We do
00:57:38.740 Appreciate it
00:57:39.320 You're
00:57:39.600 Heading out
00:57:40.580 On a long
00:57:41.240 Journey
00:57:41.560 We wish you
00:57:42.200 A safe
00:57:42.600 Journey
00:57:42.980 And a
00:57:44.260 Wonderful
00:57:45.220 One
00:57:45.620 And hope
00:57:46.820 To reach
00:57:47.240 You
00:57:47.500 When you
00:57:48.060 Are
00:57:48.400 Reaching
00:57:49.300 Your
00:57:49.560 Destination
00:57:50.700 Tre
00:58:08.960 You
00:58:09.620 Just
00:58:10.180 I
00:58:10.420 Set
00:58:10.740 You
00:58:11.140 Free
00:58:11.800 Get
00:58:13.920 Back
00:58:14.420 On
00:58:14.940 Your
00:58:15.240 Feet
00:58:16.140 Put your clothes back on
00:58:20.300 Be all you can be
00:58:24.400 Now you've set me free
00:58:28.380 Please don't bother me
00:58:32.600 I'll brush myself off
00:58:36.700 Get back on the street
00:58:40.580 Now we're feeling free
00:58:44.900 Something you should know
00:58:49.080 Now you've set me free
00:58:53.240 Got nowhere to go
00:58:57.340 Now that you are gone
00:59:01.200 Time keeps moving on
00:59:05.420 Days are getting strange
00:59:09.800 Nights are getting long
00:59:13.560 Ever since you're gone
00:59:17.740 Time keeps moving on
00:59:21.780 I should do the same
00:59:25.960 But I'm not that strong
00:59:29.840 Now I'm feeling free
00:59:34.180 Thought you'd like to know
00:59:38.360 Now I am free
00:59:42.400 Got nowhere to go
00:59:46.560 So it goes
00:59:50.740 So it goes
00:59:54.780 So it goes
00:59:58.780 Woke up free today
01:00:14.960 Calling out your name
01:00:19.140 But that's no big deal
01:00:23.320 Happens every day
01:00:27.500 Happens every day
01:00:27.540 When I'm free today
01:00:31.540 Walking in the rain
01:00:35.700 Tried to find your street
01:00:37.880 Tried to find your street
01:00:39.660 But I lost my way
01:00:43.920 Not that I am free
01:00:48.100 Not that I am free
01:00:50.140 Nothing left to say
01:00:52.140 I am free
01:00:56.320 Love you anyway
01:00:58.360 Love you anyway
01:01:00.360 So it goes
01:01:06.580 So it goes
01:01:08.580 So it goes
01:01:12.540 So it goes
01:01:16.760 So it goes
01:01:20.880 So it goes
01:01:25.360 So it goes
01:01:42.540 So it goes