kinsellacast - KINSELLACAST 370： Dump Pierre now! Plus E., Mulroney, Mraz and Crack Cloud, Worry Club, Winona Fighter, NRVS

00:00:00.000 It's the KinsellaCast starring Warren Kinsella.

00:00:22.080 Hey, it's Warren. Welcome to the KinsellaCast. I apologize that it is a late KinsellaCast.

00:00:30.200 There are multiple reasons for that. The first one is that Steve DeSieve, who is the rhythm

00:00:37.960 guitarist for my band SFH, came to visit us in the county and it was a brief visit. We

00:00:44.420 had a great time and we played a few tunes together. We got a gig coming up, so it was

00:00:48.640 great to see him. Second reason, less happy, is I had to travel to Toronto for a funeral.

00:00:58.280 The funeral of Carol Grafstein, the wife of Jerry Grafstein, and an extraordinary mother

00:01:06.960 and human being and member of the Order of Canada. It was sad to say goodbye to her.

00:01:16.820 And then the third reason was thereafter. And again, a happier one. My daughter was in town

00:01:25.040 with her boyfriend. They had come in for a wedding. So we got together for cheese bread at the keg.

00:01:32.800 And like, who can be against cheese bread at the keg? Invented by my friend, departed friend,

00:01:42.020 John Eisenstadt and his family. John is much missed. And we had a great time and toasted John

00:01:49.580 while we were at the keg. And now I'm back here. I've got John Mraz is on this week.

00:01:54.560 Um, and he's on his way to Thailand. You can hear he's exhausted, packing, getting ready. But we talk

00:02:01.880 about Israel and Hamas and Ukraine and Russia and Trump and Carney. Uh, we also have E, E returns,

00:02:11.980 uh, popular by popular demand. Um, she thinks she's quite smart. I think she's all right.

00:02:18.800 And we talk about, uh, the NDP and the Tories and, and, uh, the liberals and the liberal prime

00:02:26.600 minister and Brian Lee. Um, I think because it's late, I can't reach him. Uh, so I apologize this

00:02:33.320 week. He had signaled his willingness to, um, to show up, but I could not find him. So we'll have

00:02:39.720 to do that next week. But this week I did speak with him on his full comment podcast, which is out

00:02:47.000 tomorrow. And he had Ginny Roth, very smart consultant and myself. I'm not as smart on

00:02:54.380 talking about all kinds of stuff. And, and one of the subjects was what to do about Pierre Polyev.

00:02:58.400 And my view, as you guys know, was to dump Pierre Polyev and to get ready for the interview. I decided

00:03:04.780 to put together 10 reasons why he should be dumped. So here they are. Okay. You ready? Number one,

00:03:10.880 he lost his own seat decisively to a political newbie. He was clobbered. In fact, how can he win

00:03:19.240 the country if he can't even win his own seat? Number two, he blew a 30 point lead in the polls

00:03:27.840 in a matter of weeks. And then he lost an election that had been in the bag. And again, he lost that

00:03:36.120 to another political newbie, one Mark Carney, who he underestimated big time. Number three,

00:03:44.640 he alienated proven conservative political winners like Doug Ford, like Tim Houston, like others.

00:03:52.600 Those people were shut out by Polyev and his inner circle. He and his fart catchers criticized those men.

00:04:00.180 And then when Polyev desperately needed help, Ford and the rest of them said, no, thanks. Politics,

00:04:07.740 Pierre, it's about addition, not subtraction. Number four, he hasn't acknowledged his errors.

00:04:17.260 Polyev has not admitted he had the wrong strategy and tone. Most critically, he has not made any changes.

00:04:23.320 He's still doing what he did before. Number five, he has mostly disappeared. Apart from the obligatory

00:04:32.720 appearance at the Calgary Stampede, and apart from the decision run in an Alberta by-election where a fence

00:04:38.800 post painted blue could win, Polyev has vanished. Instead of going out on a listening tour, instead of doing

00:04:46.600 some critical self-analysis, he is invisible. Number six, his numbers have gotten worse since the

00:04:55.300 election. Dramatically worse. Not the party top line numbers, mind you. The Tories as a party are still

00:05:02.300 competitive. Polyev's personal numbers suck. Big time. Number seven, female voters don't like him. 0.99

00:05:10.920 They just don't. It was a problem before, and it's even worse now. There's something about his manner and his

00:05:18.580 style, the Trumpiness, probably, that turns women off in droves. Number eight, Trump still hurts him. As long as

00:05:28.200 the Mango Massolini is in power, and the U.S. president will be for years to come, Polyev will be playing 0.93

00:05:34.380 defense. He's got this bumper sticker approach to policy. He's got this hard-right etymology. He's got

00:05:41.760 this angry guy shtick. All of it comes together to hurt him with Canadians who really, really, really 1.00

00:05:49.720 dislike Donald Trump, which is the majority. Number nine, Daniel Smith and her ilk hurt him.

00:05:58.520 Smith is the most unpopular premier in Canada, and Polyev has been unable to say a single critical

00:06:05.400 word about her or her policies, or, you know, the book banning, trans-hating, crypto-separatist

00:06:12.060 premier chemtrails. Smith, meanwhile, can't say enough about how great Pierre Polyev is. Not good.

00:06:21.560 Number 10, he is who he is. Pierre Polyev is a grown man. He's not a teenager anymore. He is not going to

00:06:31.780 meaningfully change. He is what he is now. And what he is now is a loser. And a loser, he will remain.

00:06:51.560 Be good. 0.99

00:07:03.520 Bye.

00:07:03.700 Bye.

00:07:13.780 Bye.

00:07:14.800 I think that I was born so I could make this song

00:07:26.020 And I think you were born so you could prove me wrong

00:07:30.060 I think that you were born at how these notes are trite

00:07:34.020 And I can see because the critic's always right

00:07:37.940 I'm about to write it but I feel a little static

00:07:41.900 I've got it all there but I don't feel as emphatic 0.98

00:07:45.920 You know my story, I'm just a fucking headache 0.98

00:07:49.860 The monkey's running across the left, you do the LQ 0.99

00:08:11.900 On the cusp of my hazy

00:08:29.920 From feverish mind, oh

00:08:33.940 There's not one line vacant

00:08:37.940 In the synopsis of my soul, yeah, yeah

00:08:41.920 On the cusp of my hazy

00:08:45.920 From feverish mind, oh

00:08:49.920 There's not one line vacant

00:08:53.940 In the synopsis of my soul, yeah, yeah

00:08:57.880 On the cusp of we have pictures on the wall 0.95

00:09:01.880 Doing a fucking understanding of it all 0.94

00:09:05.940 What direction led us both into the fringe 0.99

00:09:09.940 Self-deprecating as our minds became unhinged

00:09:13.940 Psychic balance over, use it for shed for

00:09:17.940 Absorbed your blood bugs and the dirty vegetable

00:09:21.940 Wrote to recovery and early talking point

00:09:25.940 Necessant stress, passion, broken at the joy, yeah

00:09:29.940 There's no reason why

00:09:31.940 Ruth Bikmin

00:09:32.680 There's no reason why

00:09:33.860 Where the moansuck is

00:09:37.600 Of the I-I-I-I-G 1.00

00:09:38.920 As far as I can tell

00:09:40.160 This is a front of your Partnership

00:09:41.540 Leave us out

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00:09:57.980 We'll be right back.

00:10:27.980 We'll be right back.

00:10:57.980 We'll be right back.

00:11:28.480 Messages are shouted in a caustic mix of virtue and infinity begging to fix.

00:11:36.640 No agenda that brings meaning to this life.

00:11:39.960 Meaning is just a medium for calculated strife.

00:11:43.940 Lawless like soy yada loves the state of which I'm bound.

00:11:47.580 Until the lack of life pursues to put me to the ground.

00:11:51.960 I'm the stray dog, learing through the fog.

00:11:55.880 Left out of the ark, dancing in the dark.

00:11:59.780 Caught up by a tree.

00:12:01.760 Ransies like a leash in the winter line.

00:12:05.320 I'm the blue sky.

00:12:07.300 I'm the blue sky.

00:12:07.360 And we're back.

00:12:30.660 We're back with a special guest.

00:12:32.720 One that so many of you have requested.

00:12:36.460 Which is E.

00:12:37.240 With her wisdom of the average person.

00:12:42.860 But she's by no means average.

00:12:45.400 She's a person of note.

00:12:47.580 She's a person of note in my life.

00:12:50.260 And perhaps she's a person of note in your life.

00:12:53.220 And here she is back on the podcast.

00:12:56.500 And I'm talking a lot.

00:12:58.060 I should probably just stop talking and say hello. 1.00

00:13:01.460 Yeah, let's cut the shit. 0.99

00:13:02.960 First of all, I'm a fill-in guest. 1.00

00:13:05.120 So don't talk me up too much.

00:13:08.260 But more importantly, I...

00:13:12.040 Maybe all those things that you said.

00:13:13.660 But I am wiser.

00:13:16.520 More eloquent.

00:13:18.060 And more elegant.

00:13:18.940 And, well, brass tacks, I'm just smarter and more likable than you.

00:13:25.420 I see.

00:13:26.380 And quite modest, we can see.

00:13:28.420 So modest.

00:13:29.220 Yeah.

00:13:29.860 So this week...

00:13:31.200 Humble, humble, humble, I would say.

00:13:32.040 This week, you're busy.

00:13:35.040 I'm busy.

00:13:35.740 But in between busyness, you and I were talking about politics.

00:13:39.740 And you were quite critical of our friends in the NDP.

00:13:44.780 I mean, you've never been...

00:13:46.820 I think you've voted NDP in the past.

00:13:50.080 But them orbiting ever further into extremism made you irritated.

00:13:57.680 Tell us why.

00:13:59.040 What are the NDP doing or not doing at the present time that's pissed you off?

00:14:05.700 Well, you are correct.

00:14:06.920 Many, many moons ago in the days of Jack Layton.

00:14:11.640 I believe the second time I voted as an adult, I voted NDP.

00:14:17.200 I did like him.

00:14:18.900 And the NDP person in my writing, I knew him for many years.

00:14:25.500 And he was a solid individual.

00:14:28.400 And I've never voted for them since.

00:14:33.100 I have voted more, I guess, as a moderate voter in this country.

00:14:42.660 I am on no particular end of the spectrum politically.

00:14:47.880 But we were having breakfast the other morning, as we do together over the weekend.

00:14:53.780 And we share the newspaper.

00:14:55.620 And I was quite taken with Andrew Coyne's latest article about the current status and potential fate of the NDP.

00:15:03.720 And I knew some of what he was talking about and agreed with it and engaged in you in it.

00:15:12.620 And there was a few things that came up in the article that were quite startling.

00:15:15.540 But all it's to say is that I don't even recognize what the NDP party is anymore.

00:15:21.700 I don't actually understand what they are trying to do as a party, what they represent, what their end, or I shouldn't say what their end game is, but what their downstream thinking is.

00:15:36.360 I guess if I just want to be quite terse about it, I just find them rather annoying and disappointing.

00:15:43.120 Maybe disappointing is a better term. 0.97

00:15:45.540 And certainly that reflects the view of lots of other people, because their numbers continue to be just uniformly shitty. 0.68

00:15:53.320 But what about the conservatives? 0.76

00:15:54.880 How about that?

00:15:55.640 I mean, you've got friends who are conservatives, and you've got some views that I would consider to be conservative.

00:16:02.540 But you are just as critical, if not more so, of Pierre Polyev, who is, you know, basically he's done a kind of a where's Waldo thing.

00:16:12.980 We don't know where Pierre is anymore.

00:16:14.820 He's just disappeared.

00:16:16.760 Maybe that's a good thing.

00:16:18.060 Maybe it's not.

00:16:19.200 But what are your – do you think – I have a column in post media today, as you know, or maybe you saw it, maybe you didn't.

00:16:27.960 I don't read your work.

00:16:28.960 You know that.

00:16:29.540 Yeah.

00:16:29.880 Thank you.

00:16:30.380 I'm deeply grateful for that.

00:16:34.060 Anyway, I took –

00:16:34.680 That is false.

00:16:35.400 I read it all.

00:16:36.660 I took the position then, if you read it, that I think that the Tories should dump Polyev. 0.99

00:16:42.400 What do you think?

00:16:43.620 They should keep him around – I mean, Stephen Harper lost and was given a second chance and ended up getting majority.

00:16:51.040 My friend Dalton McGinty lost.

00:16:53.900 Given a second chance, he got a majority.

00:16:56.560 Could the Tories do the same thing with Pierre Polyev?

00:16:59.800 No, not with him.

00:17:02.980 Yeah.

00:17:03.400 I mean, between the two of us, some people might be surprised.

00:17:06.920 I am probably the more conservative between us, but certainly, even with that, I hesitate to say conservative because, again, I very much identify as a moderate.

00:17:20.440 I just think everyone has some potentially good stuff on both sides.

00:17:25.680 In the case of Polyev, though, he's just – I think he got a little too close to the sun, and it bitch slapped him, and I don't think there's any return for him. 1.00

00:17:44.060 I imagine he's potentially buttering up that third-degree burn from said sun, but he's probably doing it somewhere very nice.

00:17:54.880 And maybe could care less about his future in the conservative party, but I don't think they have a great chance, as I potentially know what your follow-up question is going to be, but I don't think they have a great chance at building back with him as their leader.

00:18:16.740 I think he's particularly unlikable, and if we're just looking at politics on face value,

00:18:23.800 some people just base their voting style on, is he likable?

00:18:29.040 And he's not, particularly with women.

00:18:32.300 I mean, I found him somewhat entertaining from time to time.

00:18:35.700 He was a bit gruff, but even that I thought was perhaps a bit performative.

00:18:41.480 But, I mean, you believe in redemption.

00:18:43.680 I know you do.

00:18:44.580 I know you believe in people reforming themselves.

00:18:48.940 You believe in second chances.

00:18:51.000 I know you do.

00:18:52.540 I believe in people smartening up.

00:18:54.660 Well, why don't you think he could smarten up?

00:18:58.100 I don't know.

00:18:59.980 Honestly, I have my thought with this is that his ego may disable his ability to potentially reform bits of his personality.

00:19:13.780 But I think much like I have some noted disdain to where the NDP party has brought itself or drug itself so far to the left.

00:19:28.320 Unfortunately, I think he represents a good portion of the antithesis of that, which is the far right.

00:19:37.740 And he's just not closer to the he's not as close to the center to me.

00:19:42.800 And my hope is that the majority of Canadian voters will be a little bit exhausted, exhausted by the far, far left nonsense and the far, far right nonsense.

00:19:54.280 And realize that those two groups are meeting at the top of the crazy rainbow.

00:19:59.440 And they're both acting the same way, which is not pleasant and counterproductive and not good for the country.

00:20:06.240 And most people still start looking more to the center.

00:20:09.620 And we need people more like Carney, who is, in fact, very much a liberal, but he pulls a little bit more center left.

00:20:21.120 Well, let me interject with a question then.

00:20:25.600 You've been making very positive noises about Carney.

00:20:29.260 I don't know if you voted for him or not.

00:20:30.860 That's your business.

00:20:31.720 But you sure sound like you think he's the bee's knees these days and that he's doing a buffo job. 1.00

00:20:44.720 Is that so?

00:20:45.940 And why do you think?

00:20:47.760 Because obviously lots of Canadians feel the same way.

00:20:50.320 He's even more popular now than he was at the end of April.

00:20:54.040 Why is that?

00:20:55.280 You sound like Frankie talking to Annette at Beach Blanket Bingo.

00:20:58.900 The bee's knees.

00:21:00.340 What's wrong with that?

00:21:02.640 Oh, my God.

00:21:04.220 Wow.

00:21:04.740 Okay.

00:21:05.500 First of all, I never said bee's knees.

00:21:09.200 And, I mean, I certainly haven't been sitting around mooning over the guy. 0.94

00:21:14.740 But there's been some shit that he's done where I was like, for God's sake, like, can we just have somebody run the 100 meter for a solid week without pissing me off somehow? 0.83

00:21:26.700 But all in all, I think he is doing okay. 0.97

00:21:30.000 I would like him to voice a few people out.

00:21:35.580 You know me.

00:21:36.600 I'm a perjure.

00:21:38.740 You know, I like a fresh start.

00:21:40.480 Get, you know, if you're bringing something new in, even if that's a fresh idea, maybe get rid of some of the old chaff and some of the old bad idea people that might have been there. 1.00

00:21:51.180 So, and I know he's done some of that.

00:21:53.660 But I think the thing I'm paying most attention to him with is trade at the moment.

00:22:01.060 And from even before he was elected, my hope is that we would be pushing farther to trade negotiations with the EU.

00:22:11.120 I know that is still a part of it.

00:22:12.700 But I enjoyed his interview with Christiane Amanpour.

00:22:16.940 I thought there was some great points there.

00:22:20.180 I don't know.

00:22:20.540 He just, for me, again, I will reflect back on that he pulls a little center left for me.

00:22:27.140 In this diatribe, I forgot what your pinpointed question was.

00:22:30.180 So, feel free to ask me again.

00:22:32.600 But are you, I think the question was, why are Canadians liking him?

00:22:35.480 Is that what it was?

00:22:36.240 Yeah.

00:22:37.380 Yeah.

00:22:37.600 Because I think, to my previous point, is that I think people are a bit exhausted.

00:22:42.180 And can we just have somebody that isn't necessarily hyperpolarizing, although I know there are plenty of people that hate him.

00:22:51.240 But I think they more hate the idea of his party as opposed to potentially what he could do.

00:22:58.000 I mean, I like that he's a bit vanilla, you know, that he ultimately is sort of a money's and number guy.

00:23:08.880 Not a lot of swagger, not a lot of, you know, I don't know, bravado.

00:23:13.720 I don't think we really necessarily need any of that.

00:23:15.960 I just, I don't know.

00:23:17.120 I just think people are a little bit calmed by him when everything else seems, you know, ridiculous. 0.91

00:23:24.340 You just throw out another 60s word at you, a bit cattywampus. 0.77

00:23:28.880 People are just, you know, can we have a minute of mellow?

00:23:31.860 And I think he represents a minute of mellow while still doing some potentially good work.

00:23:38.000 Cattywampus?

00:23:39.020 Cattywampus, yeah. 1.00

00:23:40.200 Like, what the fuck is that? 0.99

00:23:42.180 It's cattywampus. 1.00

00:23:43.480 People in your listening audience will know cattywampus.

00:23:46.000 So, I can say, I can't say boffo, but you say cattywampus.

00:23:50.300 Okay, that doesn't seem right.

00:23:51.660 But, mine has more syllables in it, so it's smarter.

00:23:55.640 I see.

00:23:56.600 Well, E, thank you for providing more syllables and a smarter analysis of the three main political choices on offer in Canadian politics these days.

00:24:09.680 I think the majority of people would agree with you.

00:24:11.940 Although, you know, most of the time they agree with me.

00:24:14.260 So, you know, it's your moment in the sun, as it were.

00:24:18.820 So, thank you.

00:24:19.360 And I'm the one with the ego.

00:24:23.000 Mm-hmm.

00:24:24.240 Thank you.

00:24:25.420 Thanks.

00:24:25.740 It's on camera, my whole life.

00:24:46.780 Sorry.

00:24:47.280 Girl, I gotta be dramatic or they'll just pass me by.

00:24:54.920 Cause I don't allow the phone that I'm the worst.

00:25:02.540 I think I better take a break or I might die first.

00:25:07.920 Hey! 0.99

00:25:27.560 It's serious, I can't hold on your phone

00:25:31.720 I'm higher, yeah, just like that 1.00

00:25:34.360 This little fucker won't be famous 1.00

00:25:37.460 I really hope I'm on this playlist 1.00

00:25:41.220 If this keeps on happening

00:25:52.040 We'll have to know

00:25:57.560 That car you're bragging

00:26:01.440 Don't taste like food

00:26:03.680 Chop me off 0.99

00:26:07.440 Summer nights

00:26:11.600 Where I can read all my notifications

00:26:15.200 Late at night

00:26:22.080 You shot it bright, oh

00:26:26.080 You can't forget your phone

00:26:28.200 You got your new cell phone

00:26:32.240 So you wanna be in the studio

00:26:37.540 So you can't hold on your phone

00:26:40.240 I'm higher, yeah, just like that 1.00

00:26:42.960 This little fucker won't be famous 1.00

00:26:46.040 I really hope I'm on this playlist 0.99

00:26:49.920 The choice is cruel but wrong

00:27:09.800 I don't know how to end the song

00:27:13.960 Nothing to do but wrong

00:27:17.840 I'm on your own

00:27:20.120 So you wanna be in the studio

00:27:23.120 So I can't hold on your phone

00:27:25.420 So I can't hold on your phone

00:27:27.540 So I can't hold on your phone 1.00

00:27:28.800 If this motherfucker won't be famous 1.00

00:27:31.740 I really hope I'm on this playlist 0.99

00:27:34.980 Welcome to the Ben Mulrooney Show

00:27:52.220 Thanks so much for joining us on this Friday

00:27:54.360 And because it's Friday

00:27:55.240 It's time for the This Week in Politics panel

00:27:57.840 Our Friday edition

00:27:58.740 Where we look back at some of the really big stories

00:28:01.640 Affecting each and every one of us

00:28:03.720 And no two better people to help guide us

00:28:06.460 Through what's important, what's not

00:28:08.740 What we should pay attention to

00:28:09.680 What's just noise

00:28:10.460 Is Chris Chapin, political commentator

00:28:12.400 Managing principal at Upstream Strategy

00:28:14.060 And Warren Kinsella

00:28:14.860 Former special advisor to Jean Chrétien

00:28:16.660 And CEO of the Daisy Group

00:28:18.940 To the both of you, I say happy Friday

00:28:20.320 Happy Friday

00:28:22.700 So we gotta talk about this letter

00:28:24.960 That Donald Trump wrote

00:28:26.160 And I'm sure you guys are on top of the news

00:28:28.000 But for those of, who are just joining us now

00:28:31.320 We, our Global National Bureau in Washington

00:28:34.900 Touched base with a White House spokesperson

00:28:37.500 For clarification on this whole thing

00:28:39.200 And they confirmed that this 35% tariff

00:28:42.540 Would not be put on anything

00:28:44.600 That was USMCA compliant

00:28:46.340 Energy and potash would stay at 10% tariff

00:28:48.820 Won't be bumped to 35%

00:28:50.460 Not only that, and I think this is probably

00:28:51.780 The most important part

00:28:52.580 And I'll come to you first, Warren

00:28:54.020 Is that the official said

00:28:55.520 That no paper had been drafted

00:28:57.440 No final decisions had been made by the president

00:28:59.780 So this is just

00:29:01.440 His stream of consciousness

00:29:03.240 That he lobbed like a grenade

00:29:05.280 Into the Canadian economy

00:29:06.580 Well, it would be nice to believe that

00:29:11.960 But I don't believe that

00:29:13.180 Because I checked it out

00:29:14.480 And it's an official letter

00:29:15.980 From the President of the United States

00:29:17.780 With his letterhead up at the top of it

00:29:20.260 And his signature down at the bottom

00:29:22.100 So it's real

00:29:23.060 And in fairness to Trump

00:29:26.020 It's what he has said

00:29:28.060 He was going to do

00:29:30.300 It's what he campaigned on

00:29:32.220 It's what he believes

00:29:33.700 He's not a free trader

00:29:34.980 No, and Warren

00:29:35.760 Warren, I get that

00:29:36.700 He wants to get a free trader

00:29:37.060 I don't want to interrupt you

00:29:38.180 But I do want to inform

00:29:38.960 Where you're going to go next

00:29:39.940 Square that with the digital sales tax

00:29:44.100 That he said was the sticking point

00:29:46.760 To allowing us to continue our negotiations

00:29:49.820 On this new defense and trade agreement

00:29:52.940 With the United States 0.78

00:29:54.200 We did what he wanted

00:29:55.800 And then he comes back with this

00:29:57.980 This new accusation of fentanyl

00:30:00.560 And God knows what else

00:30:01.740 So explain

00:30:02.720 Just make it make sense to me

00:30:04.560 Well, I can't

00:30:07.020 Because

00:30:07.360 But he

00:30:07.940 What I'm saying

00:30:08.880 I'm actually defending Donald Trump

00:30:11.280 This is Donald Trump

00:30:12.840 Being Donald Trump

00:30:14.060 This is consistent with what he's done

00:30:16.800 Every single time

00:30:18.180 Since his speech at the inauguration

00:30:21.020 Ten days later

00:30:22.340 He concocts this fentanyl cockamamie story

00:30:25.800 This is him doing what he has done

00:30:28.420 On our banking system

00:30:30.260 On supply management

00:30:31.520 On dairy

00:30:32.660 You name it

00:30:33.440 This is what he does

00:30:34.620 What I don't get, Ben

00:30:35.960 Is what Mark Carney is doing

00:30:38.880 Yeah

00:30:39.160 Why has Mark Carney persuaded himself

00:30:42.220 That Donald Trump's going to stop

00:30:44.180 Being Donald Trump

00:30:45.020 And suddenly observe the rules

00:30:46.680 Of the international order

00:30:48.280 And observe free trade

00:30:50.060 Well, I don't know

00:30:50.600 He's not going to

00:30:51.600 And Warren, I don't know

00:30:52.820 If that was ever the end game

00:30:54.440 For Mark Carney

00:30:55.420 The end game was

00:30:56.300 For the liberals

00:30:56.880 Well, what is it?

00:30:57.640 Well, let's ask Chris

00:30:59.560 Because look, Chris

00:31:00.600 You know, we all remember

00:31:01.740 When Mark Carney was in the pub

00:31:03.280 And someone referred to him

00:31:04.500 As Churchill

00:31:06.040 And he agreed

00:31:07.340 He didn't say

00:31:08.060 Let's let history be the judge

00:31:09.720 He said, no, no

00:31:10.280 You're right

00:31:10.840 And the choice is between

00:31:12.320 Churchill and Neville Chamberlain

00:31:13.720 The choice is between

00:31:14.720 Fighting them on the beaches

00:31:15.780 Or capitulating to Adolf Hitler 0.74

00:31:19.040 Like that was the choice

00:31:20.220 That he asked Canadians to make

00:31:22.360 And so to turn around

00:31:23.800 I don't know what he's going to do now

00:31:25.620 But is he going to turn around

00:31:28.300 And say, oh, well

00:31:28.960 Donald Trump is Donald Trump

00:31:30.260 And no one can work with him

00:31:31.300 In which case

00:31:31.700 Well, that's not what

00:31:32.560 That wasn't good enough

00:31:34.300 For Churchill

00:31:35.280 So what did you actually sell us

00:31:37.080 And how are you actually governing?

00:31:39.000 Well, I mean, he sold us

00:31:41.540 You know, a pretty clear message, Ben

00:31:43.140 Which was elbows up, right?

00:31:44.840 That's what he told Canadians

00:31:45.980 Is he'd go in and fight for them

00:31:47.580 And I think part of what we're starting to see

00:31:49.680 Is, at least from my opinion

00:31:50.860 Is we thought there was a deal to be made

00:31:53.680 You know, we thought of

00:31:54.780 You know, Canadians clearly thought

00:31:56.200 If they picked the right

00:31:57.280 The right fighter

00:31:58.560 The right prime minister

00:31:59.540 They'd get a deal with the president

00:32:01.920 And I'm starting to believe

00:32:03.160 That's just not what the president wants

00:32:05.100 It seems like anytime we get closer to a deal

00:32:07.720 Trump moves the yardsticks

00:32:10.080 Further and further down the field

00:32:11.560 And that's because I think

00:32:12.800 He has fun with doing this

00:32:13.980 I think he's obsessed with winning

00:32:15.500 I think he's obsessed with being

00:32:17.600 You know, Superman for America

00:32:19.720 And that means that, you know

00:32:21.700 Every time Canada maybe gets a little closer

00:32:23.940 To signing an agreement

00:32:25.240 He changes, you know

00:32:26.560 He changes the goal

00:32:27.420 And so whether that was the digital sales tax

00:32:29.560 Or now we're back to square one with fentanyl

00:32:31.620 I think he likes this

00:32:33.900 And that's the challenge for Mark Carney

00:32:35.440 Because I don't think there is a deal to be had

00:32:37.680 I'm becoming less and less certain

00:32:39.140 That we're going to sign a new Kuzma 1.00

00:32:41.060 In a year's time

00:32:42.320 Because I don't think the United States

00:32:44.140 And the president

00:32:44.780 Ever want to sign that deal again

00:32:46.400 I don't want to

00:32:48.680 Totally agree

00:32:49.180 Yeah, I don't want to beat a dead horse here

00:32:51.480 And I'm not trying to be contrarian

00:32:54.520 Or pick at the liberals

00:32:56.780 For the sake of picking at the liberals

00:32:58.340 I want them to get a deal

00:32:59.680 I want this to all happen

00:33:01.040 And yet

00:33:02.700 We weren't promised

00:33:04.660 A fighter

00:33:05.980 Who was going to fight for Canada

00:33:07.240 We were promised

00:33:08.040 That this was the guy

00:33:08.720 Who was going to lead us through the crisis

00:33:09.960 That's what we were promised

00:33:11.160 And those are two different things

00:33:12.500 We were promised results

00:33:13.760 Not process

00:33:14.880 And right now

00:33:16.240 It feels like those who are defending

00:33:17.780 Mark Carney

00:33:19.160 Are going to

00:33:20.120 Default to process

00:33:21.380 And say, well, no

00:33:22.060 But he's the steady hand

00:33:23.520 But he's

00:33:24.240 He's the big brain

00:33:25.540 No, no

00:33:25.960 That's fine

00:33:26.760 But we were promised results

00:33:28.400 And I don't

00:33:29.180 And if he's not going to deliver results

00:33:31.000 I feel like I was sold

00:33:32.240 A bill of goods warrant

00:33:33.340 Well, it may be a Machiavellian

00:33:36.700 The strategy

00:33:37.460 At play here

00:33:38.480 You know, I'm trying

00:33:39.140 Like I've got a column

00:33:40.340 Coming out of post media

00:33:41.640 On Sunday about this

00:33:42.580 And I'm trying to figure out

00:33:43.500 What the hell

00:33:44.120 Mark Carney's doing

00:33:45.500 Yeah

00:33:45.960 Because, you know, here's Trump

00:33:47.240 Again, being Trump

00:33:48.320 And saying, I'm going to violate

00:33:49.420 Any deal that you've come up with

00:33:51.020 Anyway

00:33:51.380 Yeah

00:33:51.700 Maybe what he's trying to do

00:33:53.180 Is run out the clock

00:33:54.140 And give himself enough time

00:33:55.620 And cover

00:33:56.160 To come up with deals

00:33:58.180 With Europe 0.80

00:33:58.880 And Asia

00:33:59.640 And so on

00:34:00.520 Yeah

00:34:00.740 And have alternative markets

00:34:02.260 For Canadian exports

00:34:03.600 So we are not as vulnerable

00:34:05.420 To the United States

00:34:06.160 That's a reasonable strategy

00:34:08.260 If that's what he's in fact doing

00:34:10.860 But he's also hurting

00:34:12.440 His own credibility

00:34:13.500 Because, you know

00:34:14.500 As both of you

00:34:15.260 Just pointed out

00:34:16.200 It looks kind of naive

00:34:18.380 For Mark Carney

00:34:19.460 To believe

00:34:20.120 That Donald Trump

00:34:21.800 Is going to change his spots

00:34:23.240 And it's going to be anything

00:34:24.160 Other than what he is

00:34:25.300 Which is somebody

00:34:26.020 Who is against free trade

00:34:27.840 So there may be a strategy there

00:34:30.320 I just don't know what it is

00:34:32.100 Chris, let's talk about

00:34:34.120 The imminent cuts

00:34:35.660 That are coming

00:34:36.360 To the public service

00:34:37.220 In Canada

00:34:37.780 What Mark Carney

00:34:39.060 Is saying things

00:34:40.140 We haven't heard

00:34:40.720 From a liberal government

00:34:41.800 Since Warren's old boss

00:34:43.340 That there are

00:34:44.320 Some tough choices

00:34:45.220 That are going to have to be made

00:34:46.220 And one of those sectors

00:34:48.460 In which he's going to find

00:34:49.540 Those savings

00:34:51.160 Is going to be

00:34:52.080 Right-sizing

00:34:53.040 The public sector

00:34:54.200 Now put that

00:34:55.120 Into context

00:34:55.880 Of the previous election

00:34:56.780 Pierre Poliev

00:34:57.320 Lost his seat

00:34:58.280 To Bruce Fangio

00:34:59.240 That he'd held

00:34:59.940 For 20 years

00:35:00.780 And one of the drums

00:35:02.080 That Fangio

00:35:03.020 Was beating

00:35:04.060 Was

00:35:04.860 Pierre Poliev

00:35:05.840 Is coming for

00:35:06.640 Your public sector jobs

00:35:07.620 He is going to cut

00:35:08.280 100,000 jobs

00:35:09.200 For the public sector

00:35:10.140 And I'm the guy

00:35:11.600 Who's not going to

00:35:12.100 Let that happen 0.91

00:35:12.760 So again

00:35:13.400 Make that make sense

00:35:14.760 I'm not sure I can

00:35:18.580 I mean

00:35:19.000 Listen

00:35:19.620 I think Warren

00:35:20.240 Just spoke about it

00:35:21.600 It's the

00:35:22.320 I do get the sense

00:35:24.220 The prime minister

00:35:24.860 And the liberals

00:35:25.420 Are trying to

00:35:26.160 Rag the puck

00:35:26.800 And maybe

00:35:27.700 Try to figure out

00:35:28.820 What they can do

00:35:29.560 And part of that

00:35:30.180 Is 0.88

00:35:30.500 If we

00:35:31.900 Continue on this

00:35:32.960 Trade war

00:35:33.420 With the United States 0.78

00:35:34.080 It's going to cost

00:35:34.780 The country a fortune

00:35:36.040 And we don't have

00:35:36.880 That money

00:35:37.320 So it's either

00:35:38.160 We go into deficit

00:35:38.960 Or we find some savings

00:35:39.920 And so

00:35:40.320 I'm fully in favor

00:35:42.740 Of Mark Carney

00:35:44.360 And the liberals

00:35:44.820 Trying to find

00:35:45.460 Efficiencies

00:35:46.000 In the public sector

00:35:46.880 I was told

00:35:47.720 As a conservative

00:35:48.440 For years

00:35:49.020 That was impossible

00:35:50.000 You know

00:35:51.260 There was no such thing

00:35:52.180 As these mythical

00:35:53.200 Efficiencies

00:35:54.080 That we spoke about

00:35:55.220 That could find you

00:35:56.920 You know

00:35:57.120 25 billion dollars

00:35:58.320 In savings

00:35:58.820 But I'm pretty sure

00:35:59.480 There's a good chance

00:36:00.120 Mark Carney

00:36:00.560 Might just find those

00:36:01.620 So I think

00:36:02.920 That is the strategy

00:36:04.060 I think it's

00:36:04.700 We're not going to

00:36:06.020 Increase revenues

00:36:06.780 Overnight

00:36:07.260 We can't afford

00:36:08.920 To tax Canadians 1.00

00:36:09.800 Because you know

00:36:10.840 Everybody's living

00:36:11.660 Paycheck to paycheck

00:36:12.500 Certainly you know

00:36:13.120 The majority of Canadians

00:36:14.040 Are so

00:36:14.520 So what can you do

00:36:15.540 And it's find savings

00:36:16.600 Where they're easily found

00:36:17.520 And I think you know

00:36:18.160 Unfortunately that's odd

00:36:19.180 While it is quite

00:36:20.060 You know 0.90

00:36:20.800 Hypocritical 0.95

00:36:23.420 That like you said 0.93

00:36:24.360 Bruce Fangio

00:36:24.940 Was elected

00:36:25.520 By going door to door

00:36:26.680 You know

00:36:27.160 Fear mongering

00:36:28.120 To everybody

00:36:28.720 In the riding of Carlton

00:36:29.760 That Pierre Polyev

00:36:30.440 Was going to cut their job

00:36:31.400 But I mean

00:36:31.760 I suppose Pierre Polyev

00:36:32.740 Is going to get the last laugh

00:36:33.720 When half his former constituents

00:36:35.640 Do in fact lose their job

00:36:36.780 Well we'll have to wait

00:36:37.980 And see on that

00:36:38.700 I certainly don't hope

00:36:39.440 Anyone loses their job

00:36:40.420 But sometimes it's the reality

00:36:41.820 Right sizing is what you need to do

00:36:43.100 Warren real quick

00:36:44.280 In about 30 seconds

00:36:45.460 When we hear the news

00:36:47.560 That we've just been talking

00:36:48.360 About the uncertainty

00:36:48.860 That comes from a bad actor

00:36:49.920 Like Donald Trump

00:36:50.940 Does it make it more likely

00:36:52.880 That our Prime Minister's

00:36:56.120 Rhetoric on pipelines

00:36:57.780 Becomes more definitive

00:36:59.120 Well that's one thing

00:37:02.840 He's been quite clear on

00:37:04.000 And if you look at

00:37:04.780 That Angus Reid Institute poll

00:37:06.240 That came out about

00:37:07.020 Two weeks ago

00:37:07.820 Three weeks ago

00:37:08.760 It was very clear

00:37:10.160 That Canadians 1.00

00:37:10.840 From coast to coast

00:37:11.960 Right, left, old, young

00:37:13.660 Are decidedly on the side

00:37:16.600 Of the argument

00:37:17.240 That we need to get

00:37:18.620 Our products to market

00:37:20.740 We need to get

00:37:21.400 Our resources to market

00:37:22.640 So there's a lot

00:37:23.620 Of support for that

00:37:24.540 So you see everybody

00:37:25.620 From, you know

00:37:26.840 Doug Ford in Ontario

00:37:27.980 To Wob Canoe

00:37:28.840 In Manitoba

00:37:29.680 Echoing that

00:37:30.580 There's two carve-outs

00:37:31.980 Though

00:37:32.360 We're going to hold on

00:37:34.500 I'm going to ask you

00:37:35.200 About those carve-outs

00:37:35.800 When we come back

00:37:36.380 From the break

00:37:36.680 Don't go anywhere

00:37:37.260 This is the Ben Mulroney Show

00:37:38.220 Welcome back

00:37:41.060 To the Ben Mulroney Show

00:37:42.000 I'm very pleased to have

00:37:43.160 On this political road trip

00:37:44.560 As my co-pilots

00:37:45.780 Chris Chapin

00:37:46.380 And Warren Kinsella

00:37:47.240 Let's talk about

00:37:48.700 The crossroads

00:37:49.760 That the NDP

00:37:50.400 Federally

00:37:51.460 Find themselves at

00:37:52.560 In the form

00:37:53.860 Of a leadership contest

00:37:55.180 Following the worst

00:37:56.580 Showing that they've had

00:37:57.380 In 60 years

00:37:58.180 At the polls

00:37:58.700 In their existence

00:37:59.760 And losing official party status

00:38:01.540 And their leader

00:38:02.580 Losing his seat

00:38:03.560 Jagmeet Singh

00:38:04.720 Went the way of the dodo bird

00:38:05.860 And now the NDP

00:38:06.880 Are going to be picking

00:38:07.460 A new leader

00:38:08.440 By the end of March

00:38:09.660 Of next year

00:38:11.160 They have settled

00:38:12.340 On a six-month race

00:38:14.080 Starting in September

00:38:15.020 With a $100,000

00:38:16.320 Entry fee

00:38:17.580 Now I don't know

00:38:18.200 That the NDP

00:38:18.840 As a party

00:38:19.980 Can find $100,000

00:38:21.400 Let alone candidates

00:38:22.320 That want to run it

00:38:23.260 But that's their problem

00:38:24.400 To figure out

00:38:25.100 The question is

00:38:26.400 Like most parties do

00:38:27.580 What do we do

00:38:28.440 Was our message

00:38:29.320 Was our tone

00:38:30.200 Was our vision wrong

00:38:31.540 Or was it not pure enough

00:38:34.120 That happens a lot

00:38:34.940 In the conservative party

00:38:36.480 That happens a lot

00:38:37.420 When Republicans lose

00:38:38.520 In the states

00:38:38.980 The Democrats

00:38:39.600 Are going through that

00:38:40.280 As well

00:38:40.740 Do we go the way

00:38:42.420 Of the extreme voices

00:38:43.620 In our party

00:38:44.200 Or do we tack more

00:38:45.520 To the traditionals

00:38:46.440 In the party

00:38:47.580 Chris let's start with you

00:38:49.560 What do you

00:38:50.000 What kind of candidates

00:38:51.720 Should be presenting

00:38:52.980 And for them to achieve

00:38:55.700 True resurrection

00:38:57.480 What's the best version

00:39:00.060 Of this party

00:39:00.560 For 2025

00:39:01.440 Oh I think you're on

00:39:07.100 I think you're on mute

00:39:07.760 My friend

00:39:08.160 So we'll go to Warren

00:39:09.200 Warren

00:39:09.860 Same question

00:39:10.800 Different person

00:39:11.380 Well I think it is possible

00:39:14.520 For the NDP

00:39:15.200 To be sensible

00:39:16.740 Social Democrats

00:39:17.920 And Wob Canoe

00:39:18.860 Has shown that

00:39:20.640 EB in British Columbia

00:39:22.860 Has shown us that

00:39:24.180 It is possible

00:39:25.620 But the federal NDP

00:39:27.580 Became a rump

00:39:29.960 They became an extension

00:39:32.220 Of Justin Trudeau's government

00:39:34.920 And they were obviously

00:39:36.120 Hurt by that

00:39:36.980 And they also started

00:39:38.220 Getting more concerned

00:39:39.140 About Gaza

00:39:39.860 Than Guelph

00:39:40.660 And kind of losing

00:39:41.980 The narrative

00:39:42.700 Losing their purpose

00:39:44.920 And I see no indication

00:39:47.420 That they've learned

00:39:48.100 The lesson of the election campaign

00:39:49.740 One of the leading candidates

00:39:51.560 Supposedly

00:39:52.480 For their leadership

00:39:53.580 Is Avi Lewis

00:39:54.720 And Avi is a friend of mine

00:39:55.820 I used to be on his show

00:39:56.900 Full disclosure

00:39:57.980 He's a great guy

00:39:59.000 But he's the author

00:40:00.700 But he's the author

00:40:00.720 Of the Leap Manifesto

00:40:02.560 With his wife

00:40:04.120 Naomi Klein

00:40:05.000 And it's crazy

00:40:06.940 It reads like something

00:40:08.340 Out of the Soviet Union

00:40:09.520 So I really don't get

00:40:12.320 Any indication or sense

00:40:13.720 That they've learned

00:40:14.620 Their lessons

00:40:15.360 And that they're going

00:40:16.600 To correct their course

00:40:18.160 But we will see

00:40:19.600 Chris, let's take this

00:40:21.680 In a

00:40:21.980 Let's have a thought

00:40:23.060 Experiment here

00:40:23.860 If you believe

00:40:25.500 That the country

00:40:26.820 Needs an NDP

00:40:27.640 If you believe

00:40:28.280 That they have

00:40:28.900 At their best

00:40:30.340 Been the conscience

00:40:31.320 Of parliament

00:40:31.960 Right

00:40:32.300 And if they stand up

00:40:33.320 For the things

00:40:33.760 That they believe

00:40:34.260 They can get other people

00:40:35.080 To champion

00:40:36.340 Other parties

00:40:36.880 That will form

00:40:37.700 Government champion

00:40:38.360 Then you believe

00:40:39.720 That at their strongest

00:40:41.360 They have been

00:40:42.900 A reasonable

00:40:45.040 Relatively reasonable

00:40:46.320 Voice for workers' rights

00:40:47.800 For environmental rights

00:40:49.360 And the like

00:40:50.200 Is there a play here

00:40:52.700 For those people

00:40:54.020 Who are getting crowded out

00:40:55.180 By the eve anglers

00:40:56.320 Of the world

00:40:57.020 By the loud 0.98

00:40:58.180 Obnoxious trolls 0.97

00:40:59.980 That are single-minded 1.00

00:41:02.000 In their self-righteous

00:41:03.980 Attacks on anyone

00:41:06.640 Who disagrees with them

00:41:07.580 Maybe they go off

00:41:09.280 And lift a page

00:41:11.160 From the conservative

00:41:11.820 Coalition

00:41:12.380 And go start

00:41:13.060 Their own party

00:41:13.660 Yeah

00:41:15.940 It's a tough question

00:41:18.020 Ben

00:41:18.240 Because I think

00:41:18.980 You have to ignore

00:41:20.140 The realities

00:41:20.720 Of what other

00:41:21.660 Political parties

00:41:22.340 Are able to do

00:41:23.060 Right

00:41:23.320 I think you look

00:41:23.980 At what the conservatives

00:41:24.760 Have done

00:41:25.240 At the federal level

00:41:26.780 But at many

00:41:27.260 Provincial levels

00:41:27.940 And they've eaten

00:41:28.720 The NDP's lunch

00:41:29.600 On blue-collar workers

00:41:31.480 And union workers

00:41:32.280 Because they put forward

00:41:34.080 A message that resonated

00:41:34.980 For them

00:41:35.380 And we've seen

00:41:35.820 That shift

00:41:36.280 Just about across

00:41:37.400 The entire country

00:41:38.080 Where blue-collar workers

00:41:39.460 Are with conservatives

00:41:40.100 And the liberals

00:41:41.280 Have done a great job

00:41:42.300 Being the voice

00:41:43.020 For environmentalists

00:41:44.240 And so

00:41:44.640 If you believe

00:41:46.300 In environmental

00:41:47.300 And climate change

00:41:48.920 And that sort of stuff

00:41:50.680 You're probably

00:41:51.500 Camped pretty hard

00:41:52.300 In the liberal tent

00:41:53.740 Right now

00:41:54.200 So is there a need

00:41:55.860 For a voice of reason

00:41:56.840 Maybe that conscience

00:41:58.400 On the left

00:41:59.040 In parliament

00:41:59.560 I suppose so

00:42:00.640 I agree with Warren

00:42:02.140 I think the NDP

00:42:03.000 Has gotten so lost

00:42:05.600 In the weeds

00:42:06.380 In most jurisdictions

00:42:08.380 But not all

00:42:09.100 I think Rob Canoe

00:42:10.200 Is a perfect example

00:42:11.040 Somebody maybe

00:42:12.520 A little leftist center

00:42:13.560 That understands

00:42:15.240 What the majority

00:42:16.720 Of people

00:42:17.220 What resonates

00:42:18.420 With the majority

00:42:18.960 Of people

00:42:19.260 Even if they might

00:42:19.760 Not vote for him

00:42:20.420 He knows how

00:42:21.180 To not offend them

00:42:21.980 And that's what

00:42:22.800 A lot of the folks

00:42:23.580 On the left

00:42:23.960 Have lost sight of

00:42:25.280 And so from a

00:42:26.080 Political party standpoint

00:42:27.480 You need to do

00:42:28.340 Some soul searching

00:42:29.140 And I'm perplexed

00:42:31.040 Why they thought

00:42:31.960 A six month race

00:42:32.820 Was a good idea

00:42:33.480 I understand

00:42:34.140 We're in a minority

00:42:34.860 Parliament

00:42:35.280 But I don't have

00:42:36.660 A clue who they

00:42:37.580 Think's gonna

00:42:38.100 Rise from the ashes

00:42:39.520 In the next six months

00:42:40.480 That's gonna put them 0.65

00:42:41.180 In a better position

00:42:41.920 Than maybe waiting

00:42:43.020 Out 12 months

00:42:43.840 Maybe waiting out

00:42:44.600 18 months

00:42:45.280 To see if somebody

00:42:46.040 Like Rob Canoe

00:42:46.780 Might take a

00:42:48.080 Take a thought

00:42:48.820 At running for

00:42:49.380 The federal leadership

00:42:50.120 Because there are

00:42:50.780 Some strong new

00:42:51.400 Democrats out there

00:42:52.160 That I think

00:42:52.600 Could lead this party

00:42:53.320 Well sure

00:42:53.700 I just don't think

00:42:54.240 You're gonna find it

00:42:54.900 I don't think

00:42:55.520 You're gonna find anything

00:42:56.180 In the next six months

00:42:57.160 Chris that's

00:42:58.300 That's gotta be

00:42:58.940 The most frustrating

00:42:59.760 Thing for those

00:43:00.580 Who in good faith

00:43:01.240 Really do want

00:43:01.940 To rebuild this party

00:43:02.800 And they look

00:43:03.260 To the Wab Canoes 0.74

00:43:04.000 And say if only

00:43:04.620 We could get a guy

00:43:05.240 Like that

00:43:05.760 To resign

00:43:07.400 From his leadership

00:43:08.460 Position as the

00:43:09.540 Premier of Manitoba

00:43:10.320 And come help us

00:43:11.300 Rebuild

00:43:11.660 We would have a shot

00:43:12.600 And we would have

00:43:13.000 A shout of

00:43:13.440 Crowding out

00:43:14.540 Those louder

00:43:15.320 More activist voices

00:43:17.940 In favor of building

00:43:19.100 A true left of center

00:43:20.700 Coalition

00:43:21.220 But the problem is

00:43:22.400 He is building

00:43:23.920 A province

00:43:25.300 He is in control

00:43:26.680 Of the finances

00:43:27.760 He controls

00:43:28.560 The levers of power

00:43:29.400 People listen to him

00:43:30.560 For him

00:43:31.480 Or anyone like him

00:43:32.800 Who has achieved success

00:43:34.480 Under an NDP banner

00:43:36.420 Most of them

00:43:37.800 Provincially

00:43:39.380 There's no way

00:43:40.780 They're gonna give up

00:43:41.700 Those

00:43:42.740 You know

00:43:43.640 Either being in power

00:43:45.200 Or having a shot

00:43:45.940 At power

00:43:46.480 To go

00:43:47.280 Sort of put out

00:43:48.220 The dumpster fire

00:43:49.180 That is this

00:43:50.080 That is this

00:43:51.000 Rump of a former

00:43:52.000 Glorious

00:43:52.880 Socially

00:43:54.140 Socially progressive party

00:43:55.820 No of course not

00:43:58.240 I mean you're talking

00:43:58.800 About a party

00:43:59.340 That has seven seats

00:44:00.460 Right now

00:44:00.880 We used to joke

00:44:01.580 Here in Ontario

00:44:02.240 When the Liberals

00:44:03.260 Got knocked down

00:44:03.980 To seven seats

00:44:04.580 They were the

00:44:04.960 Minivan party

00:44:05.700 In Ontario

00:44:06.640 You've got the NDP

00:44:07.500 The minivan party

00:44:08.620 Across the country

00:44:09.400 Right now

00:44:09.760 So no

00:44:10.100 Nobody's gonna

00:44:10.600 Unfortunately

00:44:11.620 For their sake

00:44:12.200 And that's why

00:44:12.600 I do think

00:44:13.080 They need to go rebuild

00:44:14.060 I think

00:44:14.480 You look at

00:44:15.280 What the NDP

00:44:15.820 Did provincially

00:44:16.480 Here in Ontario

00:44:17.280 They called

00:44:18.300 A pretty quick

00:44:18.900 Leadership race

00:44:20.140 After the

00:44:21.060 The 2018

00:44:21.900 Defeat

00:44:23.000 No sorry

00:44:24.300 The 2022 defeat

00:44:25.160 And you find

00:44:26.300 Yourselves in a position

00:44:27.140 Where

00:44:27.460 It's very challenging

00:44:29.820 And you know

00:44:30.700 In Marit Stout's case

00:44:31.920 You know

00:44:32.280 Nobody ran against her

00:44:33.240 Yeah

00:44:33.400 And that's

00:44:34.580 I think that's a position

00:44:35.560 They might find themselves

00:44:36.420 In federally

00:44:37.140 Warren like

00:44:38.240 What do you make of it

00:44:39.340 Because on one hand

00:44:40.760 The frustrated

00:44:42.860 People at the federal level

00:44:44.320 Look to these

00:44:45.860 Golden boys and girls

00:44:47.260 Provincially

00:44:48.400 And say

00:44:48.720 Look how successful

00:44:49.800 They've been

00:44:50.360 We can bring them

00:44:51.300 Back into the federal fold

00:44:52.440 And they can then

00:44:53.080 Take us to where

00:44:53.760 They took

00:44:54.460 But it's because

00:44:55.860 Because they've reached

00:44:57.520 The top of the mountain

00:44:58.160 Provincially

00:44:58.640 There's no chance

00:44:59.880 They're gonna join

00:45:00.580 This sinking ship

00:45:02.260 Federally

00:45:02.720 No

00:45:04.560 It's like the

00:45:05.260 Doug Ford thing

00:45:06.220 It's like okay

00:45:07.100 Doug Ford's a successful

00:45:08.840 Three term

00:45:09.640 Majority premier

00:45:10.740 He's gonna actually

00:45:12.300 Give up power

00:45:13.200 To be the leader

00:45:14.000 Of the opposition

00:45:14.720 In Ottawa

00:45:15.180 For four

00:45:15.880 Or maybe even

00:45:16.920 Eight years

00:45:17.660 Like are you on drugs

00:45:18.780 Like it's just

00:45:19.400 Not gonna happen

00:45:20.080 Same thing with

00:45:21.120 Wob Canu 0.95

00:45:21.780 Like you're going

00:45:23.040 To stop being

00:45:24.060 Premier of Manitoba

00:45:25.660 To lead a party

00:45:27.520 That isn't even

00:45:28.400 A recognized party

00:45:29.700 In the House of Commons

00:45:30.420 Yeah

00:45:30.660 Give your head a shake

00:45:31.740 I know

00:45:32.140 It's not gonna happen

00:45:32.720 They need to

00:45:33.820 They need to look

00:45:34.680 At what they've got

00:45:35.580 And what they've got

00:45:36.260 Ain't so good

00:45:37.060 And what they got

00:45:37.860 Ain't so good

00:45:38.460 And Wob Canu 0.90

00:45:39.220 He's got so many

00:45:40.660 Good things going for him

00:45:41.640 Never mind the fact

00:45:42.100 He's young

00:45:42.640 And he's positive

00:45:43.340 And he's confident

00:45:44.100 And people listen to him

00:45:45.000 And he's raising

00:45:45.980 The profile of that province

00:45:47.080 But he's speaking

00:45:48.020 So ambitiously

00:45:48.920 About that province

00:45:49.840 About building

00:45:50.720 These national

00:45:51.400 Infrastructure programs

00:45:52.380 That could turn

00:45:52.900 That he believes

00:45:54.040 Could turn Manitoba

00:45:55.220 Into a half province

00:45:56.660 For the first time

00:45:57.340 In its history

00:45:58.520 He wants that accomplishment

00:46:00.260 He wants that accolade

00:46:01.640 Now that positivity

00:46:03.680 If he's able to do that

00:46:05.540 There may be a halo effect

00:46:07.960 That eventually helps

00:46:09.240 The NDP federally

00:46:10.220 But he needs to build that

00:46:11.860 In Manitoba for now

00:46:13.320 This is

00:46:13.740 Like Chris

00:46:14.680 I honestly don't see

00:46:16.580 I don't see this being

00:46:18.620 Successful for them

00:46:19.860 In any way

00:46:20.240 I mean Chris

00:46:20.760 I don't even see

00:46:21.460 A whole lot of people

00:46:22.040 Showing up to want

00:46:22.640 To run this thing

00:46:23.360 Don't try and say

00:46:34.300 I didn't warn ya

00:46:35.560 Should've left those games

00:46:39.820 In California

00:46:40.760 You've got a knife

00:46:45.420 Well I've got a gun

00:46:46.680 If you're gonna walk

00:46:48.100 Then I'm gonna run 0.98

00:46:49.420 Right over you 0.68

00:46:51.060 Cause I've got nothing to lose

00:46:55.020 Whoa, whoa 1.00

00:46:57.180 He's a dirty thief 1.00

00:47:00.440 Whoa, whoa 1.00

00:47:02.680 Stay the hell away from me 1.00

00:47:05.940 All you want 1.00

00:47:09.060 Is to take the money and run 1.00

00:47:11.200 You son of a bitch 1.00

00:47:12.640 I've had it 1.00

00:47:14.040 Stay away from me

00:47:17.440 Go ahead

00:47:22.920 I'll let you 0.81

00:47:23.500 Take the first punch

00:47:24.760 Cause honey

00:47:28.340 I know

00:47:28.820 You ain't got much

00:47:30.200 You're going down

00:47:34.500 In front of your friends

00:47:35.860 You try to get up 1.00

00:47:37.080 I'll knock your ass out again 1.00

00:47:38.420 I mean 1.00

00:47:39.180 All disrespect

00:47:40.640 Yes

00:47:41.200 Yes

00:47:41.260 Whoa, whoa 1.00

00:47:46.760 He's a dirty thief 1.00

00:47:49.540 Whoa, whoa 1.00

00:47:51.760 Stay the hell away from me 1.00

00:47:55.040 All you want 1.00

00:47:58.120 Is to take the money and run 1.00

00:48:00.280 You son of a bitch 1.00

00:48:01.740 I've had it 1.00

00:48:03.180 Stay away from me

00:48:06.840 Stay away from me 1.00

00:48:17.420 You're a snake 1.00

00:48:22.180 You're a liar 1.00

00:48:22.880 I'm sick and I'm tired 1.00

00:48:24.260 Of you running your mouth 1.00

00:48:26.460 You're a snake 1.00

00:48:27.580 You're a liar 1.00

00:48:28.340 I'm sick and I'm tired 1.00

00:48:29.700 I'm ending this shit now 1.00

00:48:32.000 Whoa, whoa 1.00

00:48:36.120 He's a dirty thief 1.00

00:48:38.580 Whoa, whoa 1.00

00:48:40.980 Stay the hell away from me 1.00

00:48:44.220 All you want 1.00

00:48:47.200 Is to take the money and run 1.00

00:48:49.440 You son of a bitch 1.00

00:48:50.820 I've had it 1.00

00:48:52.260 Stay away from me

00:48:55.960 Stay away from me 0.77

00:49:01.080 You better stay away 0.98

00:49:05.600 Stay the hell away 0.95

00:49:10.960 Stay away from me 0.98

00:49:17.200 And we're back

00:49:18.140 We're back with this later Kinsella cast

00:49:20.920 with John Mraz

00:49:21.840 who's kindly agreed to chat later in the day

00:49:25.660 And I wish the news was good

00:49:28.520 But what we've heard

00:49:30.800 What we've learned in recent days

00:49:32.680 Is that Russia launched more aerial attacks on Ukraine

00:49:37.960 In the month of June

00:49:39.360 Than any other month in the war so far

00:49:42.720 Which has gone on for I think 1,200 days

00:49:46.040 Causing the highest number of civilians killed

00:49:50.340 Or wounded since the war started

00:49:53.400 Three years ago

00:49:55.100 More than three years ago

00:49:56.220 And so drones

00:49:58.360 Cruise missiles

00:49:59.780 Ballistic missiles

00:50:01.300 Just an extraordinary number of attacks

00:50:05.920 On civilians

00:50:07.940 On people who are not soldiers

00:50:10.460 Just people

00:50:11.740 John

00:50:13.500 I'm sure you share the concern

00:50:16.580 That I and everybody's got

00:50:18.100 About how bad this is getting

00:50:20.380 Can you give us any sense

00:50:22.140 Of what you are hearing

00:50:23.280 From people you know in Ukraine

00:50:24.620 About what has been taking place

00:50:26.800 Over the past few weeks

00:50:28.020 So very laterally

00:50:30.740 Putin just invited

00:50:32.200 A million new immigrants from India

00:50:34.020 To come in

00:50:34.700 And perform the jobs

00:50:36.980 Of the million young men

00:50:38.840 That he killed

00:50:39.600 In this manufactured war

00:50:41.160 That keeps I think

00:50:42.500 Seven strong economies going

00:50:44.200 And nothing ever goes wrong

00:50:45.440 As I said earlier on

00:50:46.500 When the government came up

00:50:47.580 And you have Russia's entire economy

00:50:52.700 Now driven by old men 1.00

00:50:54.400 Like this is all about money

00:50:56.300 And it is

00:50:57.220 So the missiles are being fired

00:50:58.900 Because there aren't enough people

00:51:00.760 On the front lines

00:51:01.500 Not moving

00:51:02.180 World War I

00:51:03.820 Stalemates

00:51:05.540 So they're firing technology

00:51:07.880 To create jobs

00:51:09.740 And it's horrific

00:51:12.160 And it solves nothing

00:51:13.440 And it brings the war 0.50

00:51:14.340 No closer to an end

00:51:15.600 And no one cares

00:51:16.640 What Donald Trump

00:51:17.600 And his filet-o-fish

00:51:19.020 Riddle brain

00:51:19.920 Think

00:51:20.900 Okay

00:51:21.560 Well let's

00:51:22.220 Let's get into that

00:51:23.720 So

00:51:24.640 The

00:51:26.200 Trump

00:51:27.200 Has

00:51:28.340 Really for the first time

00:51:30.520 Indicated

00:51:31.180 I mean

00:51:32.100 The degree of the carnage

00:51:33.740 Has even penetrated

00:51:34.900 His tiny cranium

00:51:36.100 And he's indicated

00:51:38.440 How unhappy he is

00:51:40.120 With Vladimir Putin

00:51:41.200 Something he's never

00:51:42.300 Really said before

00:51:43.500 And you know

00:51:44.800 He doesn't listen to me

00:51:46.000 And so on

00:51:46.520 It's kind of weird

00:51:47.380 Hearing that

00:51:47.960 From a U.S. president

00:51:49.180 Has

00:51:50.020 Has Putin just

00:51:51.080 Decided to openly

00:51:52.480 Defy

00:51:53.200 What Trump is saying

00:51:54.640 Because he knows

00:51:55.500 Nothing's going to happen

00:51:56.560 To him

00:51:57.000 Putin has given 0.99

00:51:58.400 Less than zero fucks 1.00

00:51:59.640 About what Mr. 0.93

00:52:00.520 Compromise

00:52:01.020 And Biden

00:52:01.500 Bought the entire time

00:52:02.940 Clearly the United States

00:52:05.260 Are not prepared

00:52:05.800 To put boots

00:52:06.540 On the ground

00:52:07.180 And so

00:52:08.420 They're making money

00:52:09.380 By selling

00:52:09.980 Or giving arms

00:52:10.700 Being a complicated way

00:52:11.740 To either Europe 0.73

00:52:12.380 Then to Ukraine

00:52:13.080 Or Ukraine 0.61

00:52:13.940 Mr. Trump

00:52:15.520 If he genuinely

00:52:16.400 The Vladimir 0.81

00:52:17.320 Vladimir

00:52:18.100 Putin 1.00

00:52:18.660 Gave any shits 1.00

00:52:19.900 About him 0.99

00:52:20.380 Is not

00:52:22.300 As savvy

00:52:23.160 And smart 0.77

00:52:23.640 As I actually

00:52:24.440 Genuinely

00:52:24.940 Think he is

00:52:25.600 And I also

00:52:26.200 Don't think

00:52:26.800 He's the one

00:52:27.520 Speaking

00:52:27.920 I think

00:52:28.320 He's got

00:52:28.640 A cabal

00:52:29.280 Of people

00:52:30.640 Like Miller

00:52:31.220 And Bannon

00:52:31.940 Behind him

00:52:32.740 Who are

00:52:33.140 Quite clever

00:52:33.900 Fascist 0.97

00:52:34.660 Horribly 0.98

00:52:35.760 Dangerous

00:52:36.560 And Mr. Trump 0.99

00:52:38.040 Is a witting

00:52:39.420 And willing 0.92

00:52:39.960 Clown

00:52:40.580 And again 0.59

00:52:41.400 I mean

00:52:41.680 I hate to

00:52:42.400 All the way

00:52:42.800 To yourself

00:52:43.200 There's no end

00:52:43.860 To this war

00:52:44.300 In sight

00:52:44.780 There's no resolution

00:52:46.680 Trump has no

00:52:48.840 Effect or impact

00:52:50.200 Putin depends

00:52:51.620 On the war

00:52:52.260 To keep

00:52:53.000 The Russian

00:52:53.580 Proletariat

00:52:54.380 From killing 0.99

00:52:55.280 Him

00:52:55.500 North Korea

00:52:57.080 Has a nice

00:52:57.980 New distraction

00:52:58.820 China is making 1.00

00:52:59.980 Money

00:53:00.420 Xi

00:53:01.140 Unders fire

00:53:01.920 Disappearing

00:53:03.020 He needs

00:53:03.780 The war

00:53:04.240 To keep

00:53:04.680 Himself

00:53:05.480 In the

00:53:05.840 Cosmopol

00:53:06.360 So pretty much

00:53:07.780 I can't even 0.56

00:53:09.200 Have an orgasm

00:53:10.100 Lately

00:53:10.360 There's no hope

00:53:11.260 Anywhere around

00:53:12.060 The world

00:53:12.440 Those are my thoughts

00:53:13.760 Okay

00:53:14.880 So in

00:53:16.320 The Israeli

00:53:17.500 Hamas conflict

00:53:18.760 While there is

00:53:20.240 Still a loss

00:53:20.880 Of life

00:53:21.420 It's not on

00:53:22.860 The scale

00:53:23.260 Of what we're

00:53:23.780 Seeing in

00:53:24.820 Russia

00:53:25.240 And Ukraine

00:53:26.920 Or in Ukraine

00:53:27.800 And like

00:53:30.160 Is that a case

00:53:30.900 Of people

00:53:31.500 Heeding

00:53:32.100 What Trump

00:53:33.680 Has to say

00:53:34.660 Is it because

00:53:35.880 Hamas has run

00:53:36.920 Out of

00:53:37.460 You know

00:53:38.000 Cannon fodder

00:53:38.980 It's run out

00:53:40.020 Of leadership

00:53:40.600 Like what

00:53:41.200 What is the

00:53:42.680 Reason why

00:53:43.480 We're seeing

00:53:44.060 A relative

00:53:44.780 A comparative

00:53:46.180 Degree of calm

00:53:47.340 In the Hamas 0.97

00:53:48.720 Israel conflict

00:53:49.940 Okay so

00:53:51.500 Logistically

00:53:52.120 Qatar and

00:53:53.220 Iran

00:53:53.800 Are having

00:53:54.400 Trouble supplying

00:53:55.420 The West Bank

00:53:57.100 And of course

00:53:57.700 More importantly

00:53:58.280 Gaza

00:53:58.760 Because they're

00:53:59.680 Both tuckered out 0.87

00:54:00.600 Israelis

00:54:01.140 Turned the entire

00:54:02.320 Place into a

00:54:03.000 Parking lot

00:54:03.480 They clearly need

00:54:04.360 New leadership

00:54:05.040 I don't think

00:54:06.220 They fought a

00:54:06.800 Fair ethical

00:54:07.500 War

00:54:07.940 I think

00:54:08.500 Israel has 1.00

00:54:09.060 The right

00:54:09.320 To exist

00:54:09.840 And I

00:54:10.140 Think that

00:54:10.600 For every

00:54:11.200 Day of our

00:54:11.740 Lives

00:54:12.080 These people

00:54:14.300 Have been

00:54:14.640 Fighting in

00:54:15.360 The name

00:54:15.720 Of gods

00:54:16.380 And young

00:54:17.620 Men and

00:54:17.940 Women have 0.95

00:54:18.360 Been getting 0.99

00:54:18.780 Slaughtered

00:54:19.440 And leaders

00:54:20.600 Are elected

00:54:21.220 And direct

00:54:23.640 A permanent

00:54:24.800 Conflict

00:54:25.520 Because they

00:54:26.540 Believe they

00:54:27.320 Have a divine

00:54:28.220 Right to the

00:54:29.100 Possession of

00:54:29.980 That territory

00:54:30.840 And to me

00:54:31.640 It's absurd

00:54:32.620 That's what

00:54:33.380 I think

00:54:33.700 Yeah but

00:54:34.540 That's all

00:54:35.800 Well and good

00:54:36.360 And I think

00:54:36.760 Most people

00:54:37.320 Would agree

00:54:37.840 With that

00:54:38.360 But I mean

00:54:39.440 Is this

00:54:41.000 Conflict

00:54:41.880 Going to

00:54:42.960 Come to an

00:54:44.080 End

00:54:44.240 You've got

00:54:44.640 Serious people 0.96

00:54:45.460 Now writing

00:54:46.220 That they

00:54:47.440 Think that

00:54:48.000 That is

00:54:48.400 Possible

00:54:48.960 Why do you

00:54:49.620 Think that

00:54:50.040 It is not

00:54:50.640 Right back

00:54:52.520 To the fact

00:54:52.920 That all

00:54:53.300 These people

00:54:53.760 Genuinely

00:54:54.360 Believe

00:54:54.800 I didn't

00:54:56.100 I didn't

00:54:56.560 Actually believe

00:54:57.240 They believe

00:54:57.760 That leadership

00:54:58.420 Of Hamas 0.89

00:54:59.380 Who I met

00:55:00.000 And the leadership

00:55:00.540 Of Fatah 0.59

00:55:01.240 I thought

00:55:02.520 That it was

00:55:03.160 A con

00:55:03.680 These people

00:55:04.540 Genuinely believe

00:55:05.640 They have a

00:55:06.060 Divine right 0.93

00:55:06.640 To that land

00:55:07.400 That in one

00:55:08.380 Case the Jews 1.00

00:55:09.040 Should all die 1.00

00:55:09.700 And in the 1.00

00:55:10.100 Other case

00:55:10.620 I suppose

00:55:12.620 You would call

00:55:13.340 Them Jordanians 1.00

00:55:15.040 Or Egyptians 1.00

00:55:15.580 Shouldn't be

00:55:16.500 There

00:55:16.800 They're having

00:55:17.980 An argument

00:55:18.480 That will never

00:55:19.540 End until

00:55:20.600 People decide

00:55:22.140 That that

00:55:23.760 Religious

00:55:24.600 Orthodoxy

00:55:25.400 That that

00:55:25.880 Fight

00:55:26.380 Is meaningless

00:55:28.940 Inventions

00:55:29.960 That just

00:55:32.240 You know

00:55:33.580 Where I'm

00:55:33.840 Going

00:55:33.980 It's horribly

00:55:35.680 Depressing

00:55:36.140 To say

00:55:36.580 They're going

00:55:37.300 To rearm

00:55:37.920 Reorganize

00:55:38.940 It will start

00:55:39.560 Over

00:55:39.900 And throughout

00:55:40.700 My life

00:55:41.420 And our

00:55:41.780 Sons and

00:55:42.520 Daughters

00:55:42.840 Lives

00:55:43.280 It will go

00:55:43.880 On and on

00:55:44.620 Until people

00:55:45.200 Say

00:55:45.460 God has

00:55:46.320 Nothing to do

00:55:46.940 In real

00:55:47.260 Real estate

00:55:47.600 Okay

00:55:49.280 Final question

00:55:50.220 Which is

00:55:52.040 About

00:55:52.520 What Mr.

00:55:53.960 Carney

00:55:54.240 Is trying

00:55:54.760 To do

00:55:55.220 With Trump

00:55:55.920 With achieving

00:55:58.940 A trade deal

00:55:59.800 Even though

00:56:00.380 We actually

00:56:01.000 Theoretically

00:56:01.720 Still have

00:56:02.360 One in place

00:56:03.020 The USMCA

00:56:04.080 And not

00:56:06.140 Withstanding

00:56:06.580 The fact

00:56:07.040 That real

00:56:08.300 Serious

00:56:08.980 Discussions

00:56:09.540 Are taking

00:56:10.140 Place

00:56:10.620 Trump continues

00:56:11.460 To make

00:56:11.940 Threats

00:56:12.400 Against

00:56:12.800 Canada

00:56:13.340 And the

00:56:13.800 European

00:56:14.100 Union

00:56:14.620 And the

00:56:15.380 Mexicans

00:56:15.960 And pretty

00:56:16.460 Much the

00:56:16.820 Entire

00:56:17.180 World

00:56:17.540 I've written

00:56:19.120 About this

00:56:19.660 In post

00:56:20.240 Media

00:56:20.660 Today

00:56:21.260 I think

00:56:22.460 It's a

00:56:22.820 Waste

00:56:23.100 Of time

00:56:23.820 For us

00:56:26.140 To craft

00:56:26.620 A new

00:56:26.940 Deal

00:56:27.200 Because he's

00:56:28.160 You know

00:56:28.580 Violating the

00:56:29.580 Last one

00:56:30.180 Like who's

00:56:31.100 To say he's

00:56:31.620 Not going to

00:56:32.020 Do it again

00:56:32.580 Do you

00:56:33.520 Have a

00:56:34.080 Sunnier

00:56:34.780 Outlook

00:56:35.320 Than me

00:56:35.700 Do you

00:56:36.000 Think that

00:56:36.380 It's worthwhile

00:56:37.100 For Carney

00:56:37.680 To be doing

00:56:38.460 What he is

00:56:39.380 Doing

00:56:39.740 I think

00:56:40.680 Carney

00:56:41.120 Unfortunately

00:56:41.600 Has to be

00:56:42.080 Responsive

00:56:42.760 And reactive

00:56:43.340 To an

00:56:44.020 Administration

00:56:44.600 That spends

00:56:45.420 More money

00:56:46.220 Of 55.5

00:56:48.080 Billion

00:56:48.400 On an

00:56:49.040 Agency

00:56:49.420 That's supposed

00:56:49.960 To be

00:56:50.200 Cleaning

00:56:50.520 Out immigrants 1.00

00:56:51.100 But sure

00:56:51.600 Looks like

00:56:52.080 A new

00:56:52.380 Model army

00:56:52.940 For a

00:56:53.360 Fascist

00:56:53.820 Permanent

00:56:54.260 Residency

00:56:54.920 Of the

00:56:55.920 Trump

00:56:56.240 Administration

00:56:57.140 I think

00:56:58.360 That we

00:56:59.300 Are the

00:57:00.800 Mount

00:57:01.060 Slitting

00:57:01.360 Next to

00:57:01.760 The Elephants

00:57:02.260 I think

00:57:02.860 That the

00:57:03.280 United States

00:57:03.820 Needs

00:57:04.120 Our resources

00:57:04.800 I think

00:57:05.240 Trump has

00:57:05.780 Not pulled

00:57:06.440 The trigger

00:57:06.940 On any

00:57:07.960 Of these

00:57:08.300 Terrors

00:57:08.620 Because all

00:57:09.460 Of the

00:57:09.620 Redneck 0.90

00:57:10.600 Inbred

00:57:11.260 Piglet

00:57:11.860 Hooves

00:57:12.400 That got

00:57:13.240 Him elected

00:57:13.760 Are going

00:57:14.660 To have

00:57:14.840 To pay

00:57:15.160 Ten bucks

00:57:15.840 For eggs

00:57:16.300 And the

00:57:16.900 Civil War

00:57:17.340 And when

00:57:18.640 I say

00:57:18.940 I sound

00:57:19.560 Like a

00:57:19.960 Spiratory

00:57:20.500 I'm generally

00:57:22.000 A rational

00:57:22.400 Person

00:57:22.760 I think

00:57:23.560 The United

00:57:23.940 States

00:57:24.400 Is falling

00:57:24.920 Apart

00:57:25.160 Very

00:57:25.600 Quickly

00:57:26.000 And I

00:57:26.680 Think it

00:57:26.920 Might be

00:57:27.220 A deliberate

00:57:27.740 Act

00:57:28.140 And I

00:57:28.360 Think

00:57:28.520 Canada

00:57:28.860 Is just

00:57:29.420 A foil

00:57:29.940 In that

00:57:30.740 Strategy

00:57:31.760 All right

00:57:32.380 John

00:57:33.200 Mraz

00:57:33.560 Thank you

00:57:34.540 For depressing

00:57:35.220 The hell

00:57:35.680 Out of

00:57:35.960 Everybody

00:57:36.320 This week

00:57:37.080 We do

00:57:38.740 Appreciate it

00:57:39.320 You're

00:57:39.600 Heading out

00:57:40.580 On a long

00:57:41.240 Journey

00:57:41.560 We wish you

00:57:42.200 A safe

00:57:42.600 Journey

00:57:42.980 And a

00:57:44.260 Wonderful

00:57:45.220 One

00:57:45.620 And hope

00:57:46.820 To reach

00:57:47.240 You

00:57:47.500 When you

00:57:48.060 Are

00:57:48.400 Reaching

00:57:49.300 Your

00:57:49.560 Destination

00:57:50.700 Tre

00:58:08.960 You

00:58:09.620 Just

00:58:10.180 I

00:58:10.420 Set

00:58:10.740 You

00:58:11.140 Free

00:58:11.800 Get

00:58:13.920 Back

00:58:14.420 On

00:58:14.940 Your

00:58:15.240 Feet

00:58:16.140 Put your clothes back on

00:58:20.300 Be all you can be

00:58:24.400 Now you've set me free

00:58:28.380 Please don't bother me

00:58:32.600 I'll brush myself off

00:58:36.700 Get back on the street

00:58:40.580 Now we're feeling free

00:58:44.900 Something you should know

00:58:49.080 Now you've set me free

00:58:53.240 Got nowhere to go

00:58:57.340 Now that you are gone

00:59:01.200 Time keeps moving on

00:59:05.420 Days are getting strange

00:59:09.800 Nights are getting long

00:59:13.560 Ever since you're gone

00:59:17.740 Time keeps moving on

00:59:21.780 I should do the same

00:59:25.960 But I'm not that strong

00:59:29.840 Now I'm feeling free

00:59:34.180 Thought you'd like to know

00:59:38.360 Now I am free

00:59:42.400 Got nowhere to go

00:59:46.560 So it goes

00:59:50.740 So it goes

00:59:54.780 So it goes

00:59:58.780 Woke up free today

01:00:14.960 Calling out your name

01:00:19.140 But that's no big deal

01:00:23.320 Happens every day

01:00:27.500 Happens every day

01:00:27.540 When I'm free today

01:00:31.540 Walking in the rain

01:00:35.700 Tried to find your street

01:00:37.880 Tried to find your street

01:00:39.660 But I lost my way

01:00:43.920 Not that I am free

01:00:48.100 Not that I am free

01:00:50.140 Nothing left to say

01:00:52.140 I am free

01:00:56.320 Love you anyway

01:00:58.360 Love you anyway

01:01:00.360 So it goes

01:01:06.580 So it goes

01:01:08.580 So it goes

01:01:12.540 So it goes

01:01:16.760 So it goes

01:01:20.880 So it goes

01:01:25.360 So it goes

01:01:42.540 So it goes

kinsellacast - July 14, 2025

KINSELLACAST 370： Dump Pierre now! Plus E., Mulroney, Mraz and Crack Cloud, Worry Club, Winona Fighter, NRVS

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