kinsellacast - KINSELLACAST 372： Hunger, aid and politics with Lilley, Vuong, Sims, Mulroney and Chapin - plus Split System, Bad Dreems, Children Collide, Gyroscope

00:00:00.000 It's the Kinsella cast starring Warren Kinsella.

00:00:18.080 Hey, it's Warren. Welcome to Kinsella cast. And I'm grateful. I'm grateful this morning

00:00:23.960 for you tuning in to this summertime edition of the Kinsella cast. But also we got rain last

00:00:30.940 night. We got some rain this morning. And when you live in rural Canada, as I now do,

00:00:35.180 there's always a city slicker. But you start worrying about stuff that farmers worry about,

00:00:39.860 like lack of rain, lack of moisture, drought. We've had drought here for weeks. And you can see the

00:00:48.200 impact on the corn, like it's all stunted. So those of you expecting like a bounty of corn,

00:00:53.060 you know, sometime in the next few weeks, it's not going to happen. The wheat's okay.

00:00:59.560 Soybean seems to be okay. Grapes are okay. All of you drinkers out there, because the,

00:01:05.120 you know, the grapes don't need a lot of moisture. But anyway, getting a little hairy. So grateful

00:01:11.340 for rain. Gratefully, you have tuned in to hear Brian Lilly and I, Kevin Vong, Ben Mulroney,

00:01:19.860 Chris Chapin, Chris Sims, some great voices and some great music. But I'm back on an Australia

00:01:28.540 kick. So I've got from Melbourne, I've got Split System with their song The End. Some of these guys

00:01:34.320 are in Stiff Richards, one of the greatest band names of all time. They kind of formed in the

00:01:38.220 pandemic in 2021. You've got Theory of Everything, which is a song. Okay, it's not, there's actually

00:01:46.000 multiple bands called Theory of Everything. There's one Dutch band named that, one in the UK,

00:01:52.180 one in Ireland. But this band is actually called Children Collide, and the song is called Theory

00:01:58.660 of Everything. And it's not, as far as I know, the film about Stephen Hawking.

00:02:04.820 Gyroscope, also from Australia, from Perth, formed in 1997. Great catchy tune, Dr. Doctor.

00:02:12.880 And then Bad Dreams from Adelaide in Australia formed, though this song came out, no, wait a second,

00:02:19.820 I played Bad Dreams for You before, back in January. And what is this song called? Something about having

00:02:30.300 for, hoping for, hoping for, hoping for, that's what it is. And they've been around for a long time,

00:02:35.160 since 2011. Anyway, when a country doesn't matter militarily, diplomatically, when no one is sharing

00:02:41.980 intelligence with it anymore, all that is left is empty words. Piety, preaching, but that's it. So now,

00:02:52.320 when the world kind of looks at us, and when it comes to world affairs, Canada is a season's ticket

00:02:58.980 holder, I think, up in the nosebleed seats. We're holding up homemade signs and hollering and hoping

00:03:05.480 to get on TV, where the real action is being played out far from where we are. And ever since

00:03:12.060 2004, when Paul Martin and his brain trust thought it'd be a good idea to meet the homicidal Libyan 1.00

00:03:18.920 dictator Muammar Gaddafi in a tent in the desert, Canada has mattered less and less internationally.

00:03:25.880 It all happened gradually. We became a bit of an afterthought and then a punchline.

00:03:32.520 And Donald Trump, I think, in particular knows this. He's noticed that the rest of the world

00:03:37.040 hasn't rallied to our side as he's coveted us as his 51st state. It wasn't always like this,

00:03:44.480 of course. At one time, say, when Mike Pearson won a Nobel Peace Prize in 1964 for resolving the Suez

00:03:53.280 crisis, or when Brian Mulroney fought to end apartheid in the 80s, or when Jean Chrétien

00:04:00.300 refused to participate in George W. Bush's war against Saddam Hussein in 2003. Like, Canada

00:04:06.340 truly mattered on the international stage, but not so much anymore. In recent years, I think

00:04:12.080 we've been reduced to thumbing out sanctimonious tweets from the sidelines, far removed from the

00:04:17.320 action, but in both official languages. Anyway, so Carney issued a tweet on Thursday. And here is

00:04:26.460 what he said, just part of it. Quote, Canada condemns the Israeli government's failure to prevent

00:04:32.860 the rapidly deteriorating humanitarian disaster in Gaza. Israel's control of aid distribution must be

00:04:39.860 replaced by comprehensive provision of humanitarian assistance led by international organizations.

00:04:45.440 Many of these are holding significant Canadian-funded aid, which has been blocked from delivery to

00:04:51.500 starving civilians. This denial of humanitarian aid is a violation of international law. End quote.

00:04:59.960 Carney's tweet wasn't a serious statement by a head of a country, I think. It was a selfie, basically,

00:05:08.040 designed to get someone to notice us on a metaphorical global jumbotron. And we won't

00:05:15.280 duck if they do. But all you have left is words, guys. Words matter. So let's look at those five

00:05:23.420 concluding words in Carney's statement. A violation of international law. Is it? Well, the first problem

00:05:33.220 is international law itself. International law is a vague set of principles and rules, sort of,

00:05:39.380 rarely if ever enforced. International law wasn't written down anywhere. So you can make it into

00:05:46.860 whatever you want, as Carney has done. He seems to be referring to the right to food, which is mentioned

00:05:53.540 in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and in the International Covenant on Economic, Social, and

00:05:59.120 Cultural Rights. So that's good. You know, agreed. But in the case of Gaza, the fact is this. The Gaza 0.85

00:06:06.800 Humanitarian Foundation, GHF, which is an organization created by the Americans, supported by Israel. It

00:06:15.200 was set up to prevent Hamas from stealing food, water, medicine, and tents, which they had been doing 0.55

00:06:21.080 for a long time. On good days, the GHF has distributed as much as 3 million meals daily. And American

00:06:29.440 contractors and Israeli troops oversee all that at four different distribution centers in Gaza.

00:06:35.420 But as of this week, more than a thousand trucks containing GHF aid are sitting idle in Gaza

00:06:43.160 because the United Nations refuses to administer the desperately needed food to Palestinians. And

00:06:50.280 the UN doesn't dispute that either. Like it says it can't distribute the GHF aid because,

00:06:56.660 this is for the first time in its history, it's concerned about bureaucracy. Quote,

00:07:00.780 I don't think we need to add another layer of for-profit organizations, end quote, said the UN

00:07:06.960 spokesman. Anyway, so to recap the facts, food is going into Gaza. Israel and the United States are

00:07:14.400 sending it. The food is, and Canada isn't, by the way, the food is not being properly distributed.

00:07:21.580 And the UN, which is actually paid to do these things by people like us, is adamantly refusing to

00:07:27.860 help out. And here's another pesky fact. Gaza is a war zone. Neither Hamas nor Israel permit

00:07:36.240 non-combatants into that war zone. So where exactly did Prime Minister Carney get the evidence to back

00:07:42.920 up his claim that Israel is quote-unquote violating international law? Well, not from Canadian diplomats

00:07:49.720 or military observers, because we don't have any in Gaza. And we designated Hamas, Gaza's government,

00:07:56.540 as a terrorist entity way back in 2002. So like, how is PMO and Global Affairs getting their

00:08:02.660 information about Gaza? Anyway, so I decided to ask them. I got in touch with PMO. I got in touch

00:08:08.480 with Global Affairs. I wrote to them. Here's what I said. This is a quote. On what basis did the Prime

00:08:13.480 Minister determine Israel has broken international law in the distribution of aid in Gaza? Does Canada

00:08:19.760 presently have any official representatives on the ground in Gaza? Or have we instead relied upon

00:08:26.180 hearsay accounts and or the government there, which is a terrorist entity? End quote. I never got a

00:08:33.980 response from either PMO or Global Affairs. Like we say, like I say, we're up in the nosebleeds,

00:08:42.900 folks. We're trying to get noticed. And it ain't working.

00:08:56.180 Down on the street. Down on the street. Shuffle in your feet. Shuffle in your feet. Down on the street.

00:09:26.160 Down on the street.

00:09:28.160 Down on the street. Shuffle in your feet. Shuffle in your feet. Down on the street. Down on the street.

00:09:38.160 Down on the street.

00:09:40.160 Down on the street. Shuffle in your feet. Down on the street. Down on the street. Down on the street.

00:09:54.160 Down on the street.

00:09:56.160 Down on the street.

00:09:58.160 Down on the street.

00:10:00.160 Down on the street.

00:10:02.160 Down on the street.

00:10:04.160 Down on the street.

00:10:06.160 Down on the street.

00:10:10.160 Down on the street.

00:10:12.160 Down on the street.

00:10:14.160 Down on the street.

00:10:16.160 Down on the street.

00:10:18.160 Down on the street.

00:10:18.660 Down on the street.

00:10:19.160 Down on the street.

00:10:20.160 And he's down on the street

00:10:22.320 When it all starts

00:10:24.600 Born and over

00:10:25.860 And you know that it's the end

00:10:31.000 Come by me, I'll be waiting

00:10:36.920 So we can start it all again

00:10:41.620 At the end

00:10:50.160 The end

00:11:02.420 Down on the street

00:11:03.600 Shuffle in your feet 0.89

00:11:04.940 Down on the street

00:11:06.320 Down on the street

00:11:09.040 Shuffle in your feet 0.89

00:11:10.380 Shuffle in your feet 0.89

00:11:11.760 Down in the heat

00:11:13.940 Down in the heat

00:11:15.860 Down in the heat, down in the heat

00:11:18.520 Shuffling your feet down on the street

00:11:21.180 Down in the heat, down in the heat

00:11:23.960 When it all starts boiling over

00:11:27.760 And you know that it's the end

00:11:32.620 You're finding I'll be waiting

00:11:38.260 And we can start it all again

00:11:45.860 At the end

00:11:48.740 The end

00:11:53.580 The end

00:11:59.060 The end

00:12:04.420 And we're back, we're back with Brian Lilley

00:12:10.600 Who is in beautiful New Brunswick this weekend

00:12:14.300 Brian, how's New Brunswick?

00:12:16.760 The sunsets along the St. John River in Fredericton

00:12:20.420 Absolutely stunning

00:12:21.740 And the people are great

00:12:24.220 And you know, small town politics

00:12:27.260 Took in the Highland Games

00:12:29.520 With my son and his wife

00:12:31.600 And who's there but the Premier

00:12:33.420 Who happens to be the local MLA

00:12:35.760 And since I've got to meet Susan Holt a couple of times

00:12:39.720 I was able to take my son and his wife over and say

00:12:43.440 Hi, Premier, here's a couple of your constituents

00:12:46.320 That's great, that's great

00:12:49.120 So I wanted to talk about politics

00:12:52.100 Surprise, surprise

00:12:52.940 And it looks increasingly obvious

00:12:56.100 That Mark Carney

00:12:58.420 Our Prime Minister

00:12:59.800 Is not going to realize his dream

00:13:01.780 His promise, really

00:13:03.560 Of achieving a new trade deal

00:13:06.300 With the Trump administration

00:13:08.080 What are you hearing from your sources

00:13:10.300 About the latest?

00:13:13.820 We've got the wrong team in

00:13:15.240 And this is the same thing

00:13:16.180 I've been telling you for a while

00:13:17.560 So the Americans still want 0.71

00:13:21.080 A high-level trade deal

00:13:22.120 The thing that we were moving towards

00:13:25.480 At the beginning of June

00:13:26.560 That, you know, PMO

00:13:28.280 And provincial sources

00:13:29.760 Were all saying is clear

00:13:31.360 And, you know

00:13:32.420 I may have broken the story

00:13:34.260 But they ended up telling the Globe

00:13:35.720 And everyone else

00:13:36.500 All the same things

00:13:37.500 That, yep, deal's very close

00:13:39.000 And then it fell apart

00:13:39.840 We don't know why

00:13:40.680 But the thing I keep hearing

00:13:43.340 Is that Ambassador Hellman

00:13:45.180 Is part of the problem

00:13:46.100 She's a very accomplished woman

00:13:47.620 Very smart

00:13:48.280 Not taking that away from her

00:13:50.700 But it's like sending in

00:13:52.740 The accounting team

00:13:53.900 When you're trying to sell

00:13:55.420 A car to the guy

00:13:56.520 That just walked on your lot

00:13:57.700 It's not going to work

00:13:59.740 Dominic LeBlanc should be in there

00:14:01.800 If not him, Doug Ford

00:14:03.240 Somebody who is going to go in

00:14:05.740 And do some back slapping 0.88

00:14:07.740 And get a deal

00:14:08.740 And I know, you know

00:14:09.820 A lot of the critics

00:14:10.540 Say, well, you can't get a deal

00:14:12.580 Or these deals aren't real

00:14:14.080 They exist with other countries

00:14:15.700 And if we don't have one

00:14:16.800 That's why I care about this

00:14:18.600 If we don't have one

00:14:19.800 We're facing potentially

00:14:22.000 Increased tariffs on August 1st

00:14:23.960 That will hurt people's jobs 0.94

00:14:26.820 Maybe not mine

00:14:27.960 Or at least not immediately mine

00:14:31.640 But people are going to get laid off

00:14:34.180 Jobs are going to be lost

00:14:35.980 So I don't care what people think

00:14:38.900 About Donald Trump

00:14:39.740 Hate him all you want

00:14:40.800 But this is why this is important

00:14:43.800 We need to try and ensure

00:14:45.380 That these jobs stay in place

00:14:46.760 So if other countries

00:14:48.020 Can get trade deals

00:14:49.080 And we can't

00:14:50.460 And you've got Trump saying

00:14:51.500 Maybe Canada just pays the tariff

00:14:53.120 Because they're, you know

00:14:53.780 They're not negotiating properly

00:14:55.600 Maybe we're part of the problem

00:14:58.240 When everyone else is getting a deal

00:15:00.420 And we're not

00:15:00.960 It's like when, you know

00:15:03.020 Everybody else can get a loan

00:15:04.440 And you can't

00:15:05.180 Maybe you're the problem, right?

00:15:07.100 Sticking with Mark Carney

00:15:08.420 Another problem

00:15:10.520 This week he issued a tweet

00:15:13.780 In both official languages

00:15:15.540 That I consider defensive

00:15:16.920 Accusing Israel of breaking international law

00:15:19.920 Essentially his implication was

00:15:22.760 That Israel was deliberately starving people 0.97

00:15:25.040 To death in Gaza 1.00

00:15:26.180 I've got a column about that

00:15:27.820 In post media today

00:15:29.260 About in fact the United Nations

00:15:31.640 Admitting that the food is there

00:15:33.720 That Israel and the United States 0.99

00:15:35.220 Are sending it in to Gaza 1.00

00:15:36.540 And they're refusing to distribute it

00:15:38.920 Am I on the wrong track?

00:15:41.280 Do you think that Israel

00:15:42.620 Has some share of the blame?

00:15:44.580 Who's to blame here

00:15:45.780 For what is obviously a growing crisis?

00:15:49.820 Look at the videos

00:15:50.980 Of all the deliveries of food

00:15:53.440 That have been put

00:15:55.000 On the Gaza side of the border

00:15:56.640 For people to distribute

00:15:58.700 And they're just sitting there

00:15:59.900 Israel is not controlling all the food

00:16:03.340 Are they controlling the food

00:16:06.560 In some areas

00:16:07.160 And trying to distribute it?

00:16:08.200 Yes, because Hamas was stealing it 0.79

00:16:09.840 And there's videos

00:16:11.220 That Hamas put out 0.74

00:16:12.180 On their own Telegram channels

00:16:14.080 And elsewhere

00:16:14.620 Bragging about how they get

00:16:16.640 Five plates of rice a day

00:16:18.100 And look at the mangoes we have

00:16:20.200 Look at the bananas we have

00:16:22.560 You know, the Hamas fighters

00:16:24.320 Are well fed

00:16:25.120 Why?

00:16:26.520 Because they keep stealing the food

00:16:27.860 It's unreal to me

00:16:29.940 That another statement came out

00:16:32.100 From the Canadian government

00:16:33.800 That doesn't blame Hamas 0.97

00:16:35.560 Anita Anand did that 0.81

00:16:37.800 With her statement

00:16:39.220 That blamed Israel for everything 0.99

00:16:41.940 Did not even mention the name Hamas

00:16:44.960 In calling for the fighting to stop

00:16:47.020 At that point

00:16:48.660 It's incredibly one-sided

00:16:50.340 This has been a concern of mine

00:16:54.460 With the Kearney government

00:16:55.400 From word go

00:16:56.400 You know, I've been very complimentary

00:16:58.160 Of them on a lot of domestic issues

00:17:00.760 Not on that

00:17:01.840 The one thing

00:17:04.660 I wrote to PMO

00:17:07.240 I wrote to Global Affairs

00:17:08.760 To say, okay

00:17:09.520 Where are you guys

00:17:11.020 Getting your information from?

00:17:12.320 We haven't had diplomatic relations

00:17:13.980 With Hamas, obviously 0.99

00:17:15.880 Which is the government of Gaza

00:17:17.580 Because they're a terrorist entity

00:17:19.540 We don't have anybody on the ground

00:17:21.500 Diplomatically or militarily

00:17:23.440 Like, where are they getting

00:17:25.060 Their information from?

00:17:26.280 Are they just reading

00:17:27.040 Other people's tweets on X

00:17:29.160 Or, like

00:17:30.040 Are they just

00:17:31.080 Is it hearsay?

00:17:32.220 Like, where is it coming from?

00:17:34.080 Yeah, Eve Engler

00:17:34.860 Yeah, we should talk about

00:17:36.300 The NDP in a minute

00:17:37.300 So, like

00:17:38.120 You know, I really think

00:17:40.260 Did they get back to you?

00:17:41.380 No, they did not

00:17:42.340 Neither did

00:17:43.320 It's not the first time either

00:17:45.700 Yeah, you know

00:17:48.820 And I gave them the opportunity

00:17:50.720 To say, well, no

00:17:51.480 We have direct information

00:17:52.440 We have information

00:17:54.720 From, you know

00:17:55.940 That part of Israel 0.92

00:17:59.400 And Gaza 0.55

00:18:00.840 And no response whatsoever

00:18:02.800 So, like

00:18:03.740 I don't know where

00:18:04.500 They're getting their information

00:18:05.620 From that Israel 1.00

00:18:06.480 Is breaking international law

00:18:08.060 It's quite the charge to make

00:18:12.560 Without providing any evidence

00:18:14.920 And, you know

00:18:18.160 At least we haven't gone so far

00:18:19.880 As I know yet

00:18:21.200 As recognizing

00:18:22.700 A Palestinian state

00:18:24.360 Governed by Hamas 0.94

00:18:25.600 France did that this week

00:18:27.100 British Prime Minister

00:18:28.340 Keir Starmer said

00:18:29.360 No, he wouldn't do that

00:18:30.520 Until Hamas is disarmed

00:18:33.220 Now, speaking of the NDP

00:18:35.840 You mentioned

00:18:36.480 Eve Engler

00:18:37.080 For those who

00:18:38.440 Have blessedly lived their lives

00:18:40.520 Without hearing that name

00:18:41.900 Eve Engler

00:18:42.900 Is not just an anti-Semite 0.99

00:18:44.420 He's a Jew hater 0.96

00:18:45.560 Has been for years 0.99

00:18:48.200 Like, just a terrible

00:18:50.700 Terrible person

00:18:52.780 Saying terrible things 1.00

00:18:54.520 About Jews 0.99

00:18:55.280 On a regular basis

00:18:56.240 Now seeking the NDP leadership

00:18:57.780 So is Heather McPherson

00:18:59.400 Another one who hates Israel

00:19:01.740 What's your view

00:19:02.660 About the NDP

00:19:04.020 Is it like the whole NDP

00:19:05.200 Going whole hog on this?

00:19:06.840 One, it looks like

00:19:09.580 Two, it looks like

00:19:10.680 Their leadership race

00:19:11.720 Is going to be

00:19:12.420 Quite the joke

00:19:13.780 You have to have

00:19:15.900 A certain number of signatures

00:19:17.060 To run

00:19:17.980 But they have to be

00:19:19.160 From the right people

00:19:20.140 So they've laid it out

00:19:23.040 You can find this online

00:19:24.280 It's being shared

00:19:26.040 I forget how many

00:19:28.020 Number of signatures

00:19:29.340 You need

00:19:29.840 But more than 50%

00:19:30.940 Of them have to come

00:19:31.760 From people who are not

00:19:32.880 Cis-gendered males 1.00

00:19:34.600 Meaning you can't be

00:19:37.260 A straight dude

00:19:38.400 And they prefer them

00:19:40.520 Not to be straight 0.95

00:19:41.280 White dudes 0.85

00:19:41.940 And then a certain

00:19:43.980 Percentage I believe

00:19:45.240 Have to come from 0.99

00:19:46.220 Visible minority groups

00:19:47.760 So, you know

00:19:48.440 You've got to be

00:19:49.240 Asking questions

00:19:50.080 When you're collecting

00:19:51.040 Your signatures

00:19:51.720 That you would be

00:19:53.320 Penalized for

00:19:55.240 If you were employing

00:19:56.260 Someone

00:19:56.520 You can't ask

00:19:57.280 Someone's

00:19:58.200 Race, religion, sexuality

00:19:59.680 In a job interview

00:20:00.800 But you have to ask

00:20:01.900 Them that

00:20:02.520 When you're asking

00:20:03.420 Them to sign up

00:20:04.460 To your leadership

00:20:06.640 Nomination forms

00:20:07.640 The NDP is

00:20:09.300 A caricature of itself

00:20:10.880 It is not

00:20:12.120 A serious political party

00:20:13.800 They are in deep

00:20:14.700 Financial trouble

00:20:15.520 You know

00:20:17.400 I got to see

00:20:18.340 Bob Canu

00:20:18.940 At the Council

00:20:19.440 Of the Federation

00:20:20.140 This week

00:20:20.660 The guy's a rock star

00:20:21.700 He's a new Democrat

00:20:23.100 From Manitoba

00:20:24.000 But a very sensible guy

00:20:25.340 Who's impressing everyone

00:20:26.480 And I've heard people say

00:20:27.960 Oh, this guy should run

00:20:28.920 For federal leader

00:20:30.000 Of the NDP 1.00

00:20:30.660 He'd be a fool 1.00

00:20:32.460 To do it 1.00

00:20:32.960 One

00:20:33.740 He's

00:20:34.380 You know

00:20:34.920 At the height of his power

00:20:35.880 In his own province

00:20:36.840 He's

00:20:37.960 You know

00:20:38.340 Getting things done

00:20:39.440 He's well regarded

00:20:41.680 You don't take over

00:20:43.180 A party 0.76

00:20:43.580 That doesn't have

00:20:44.480 Official party status

00:20:45.580 Is millions of dollars

00:20:46.940 In the hole

00:20:47.500 And is going down

00:20:49.020 Ideological rabbit holes

00:20:50.560 That

00:20:50.940 Prairie

00:20:51.660 NDP

00:20:52.200 Leaders

00:20:53.380 Simply avoid

00:20:54.880 Because they want

00:20:56.280 To be able to govern

00:20:57.220 And not be regarded

00:20:58.120 As a joke

00:20:58.740 They are indeed a joke

00:21:00.300 Well, let's talk about

00:21:01.320 Another joke

00:21:01.900 Where I think it's a joke

00:21:03.080 There's dozens

00:21:05.980 And dozens 0.82

00:21:06.760 Of names

00:21:07.580 On the ballot

00:21:08.360 That Pierre Polyev

00:21:09.480 Is facing

00:21:10.180 In the by-election

00:21:11.580 For a seat

00:21:12.380 In Alberta

00:21:13.240 And

00:21:14.660 I would imagine

00:21:17.160 This is a bit

00:21:17.880 Of a problem

00:21:18.460 If you're just

00:21:19.100 An average voter

00:21:20.440 In that riding

00:21:21.840 Looking to vote

00:21:22.920 For your

00:21:23.580 Candidate of your choice

00:21:25.020 Yeah

00:21:27.160 This longest ballot

00:21:28.160 Committee thing

00:21:28.840 Has to stop

00:21:29.860 They claim that

00:21:31.160 It's a political protest

00:21:32.480 That they want

00:21:34.020 Electoral reform

00:21:35.120 Well, they're making

00:21:36.700 A joke

00:21:37.040 Of the electoral system

00:21:38.100 And there's easy

00:21:38.920 Ways to do this

00:21:39.820 One, you can increase

00:21:41.040 The number of signatures

00:21:41.940 That you need

00:21:42.560 To be able to run

00:21:44.120 Secondly

00:21:45.700 Elections Canada

00:21:47.000 Could say

00:21:47.440 You can't have

00:21:48.060 The same official agent

00:21:49.120 As someone else

00:21:49.980 More than

00:21:51.200 I believe

00:21:52.000 More than a hundred

00:21:52.760 Of the names

00:21:53.680 On this

00:21:54.260 Of so-called 0.60

00:21:55.300 Independents

00:21:56.040 All share the same

00:21:57.600 Official agent

00:21:58.880 And

00:22:00.220 So

00:22:01.500 Who is the guy

00:22:02.820 Behind this

00:22:03.400 Longest ballot committee

00:22:04.540 You know

00:22:06.180 You can't do

00:22:07.860 A lot of other things

00:22:08.680 Like force them

00:22:09.620 To live there

00:22:10.160 But

00:22:10.440 To show you 0.98

00:22:11.500 How ridiculous it is 0.99

00:22:12.560 In the general election 0.93

00:22:14.360 When they ran

00:22:15.580 The longest ballot

00:22:16.420 Been against

00:22:16.940 Polyeth

00:22:17.420 In the riding

00:22:17.900 Of Carleton

00:22:18.500 One of the people

00:22:20.400 Running against him

00:22:21.300 Was a part-time

00:22:22.220 Substitute teacher

00:22:23.300 From Toronto

00:22:24.040 Who the Toronto Star

00:22:25.540 Interviewed

00:22:26.620 And they asked him

00:22:27.940 You know

00:22:28.280 Have you ever

00:22:28.720 Do you live there?

00:22:31.060 No

00:22:31.260 Have you been there?

00:22:32.100 I don't think

00:22:32.580 I've ever been there

00:22:33.300 The guy said

00:22:33.920 And I have no plans

00:22:34.940 On ever going

00:22:35.740 Wow

00:22:36.660 You can't force people

00:22:37.900 To live in a riding

00:22:38.700 To run there

00:22:39.580 But you could say

00:22:41.100 You can't

00:22:41.680 You can't have

00:22:42.580 112 people

00:22:43.560 With the same

00:22:44.420 Official agent

00:22:45.160 Well why can't

00:22:47.300 Why can't we say

00:22:48.340 They should live there?

00:22:49.460 Why can't we say

00:22:50.200 That?

00:22:50.460 Should we say that?

00:22:51.980 Yeah

00:22:52.180 All kinds of people

00:22:52.980 Represent areas

00:22:53.920 That they don't live in 0.51

00:22:54.820 And it's always

00:22:57.760 Been that way

00:22:58.400 In our politics

00:22:58.960 I don't think

00:22:59.540 We need to go

00:23:00.080 That far

00:23:00.600 But we could do

00:23:01.620 These small

00:23:02.360 Administrative changes

00:23:03.600 That would make

00:23:04.940 It much more difficult

00:23:05.920 To run this 0.99

00:23:06.580 Ridiculous 0.98

00:23:07.140 Longest ballot 0.93

00:23:08.180 And it has

00:23:09.440 Nothing to do

00:23:10.040 With sticking up

00:23:10.680 For Polyeth 0.99

00:23:11.520 Or a partisan

00:23:12.360 I just

00:23:12.920 I don't like it

00:23:14.060 I think it makes

00:23:14.800 A mockery of our system

00:23:15.980 And you know

00:23:17.500 I think it's

00:23:19.780 Over 150 people

00:23:21.720 On the ballot now

00:23:22.700 It's terrible

00:23:23.200 There's logistical

00:23:23.840 Issues with this

00:23:24.840 And you know

00:23:26.100 These are not

00:23:26.620 Serious candidates

00:23:27.600 And the serious

00:23:28.800 Candidates end up

00:23:29.700 Getting hurt

00:23:30.520 So let's talk about

00:23:31.680 The one serious

00:23:32.420 Candidate quickly

00:23:33.300 So you've said

00:23:34.500 Previously he needs

00:23:35.680 To reach a certain

00:23:36.740 Threshold of votes

00:23:38.120 What did you

00:23:38.920 I think you said

00:23:39.520 75%

00:23:40.760 Do you think

00:23:41.760 Do you think

00:23:42.780 He's going to

00:23:43.360 Achieve that

00:23:43.920 So I looked

00:23:46.080 At the

00:23:46.780 Historically

00:23:47.680 What this

00:23:48.580 Riding

00:23:49.020 What conservative

00:23:49.880 Candidates have gotten

00:23:51.620 Going back

00:23:52.780 Over a bunch of years

00:23:53.640 So Jamie and Kurt

00:23:55.000 Got 82.8%

00:23:56.780 In the most

00:23:57.860 Recent election

00:23:58.540 But in the one

00:23:59.720 Before in 2021

00:24:00.760 He only got 70%

00:24:02.140 And that's kind of

00:24:02.880 The range that

00:24:03.580 The party's gotten

00:24:04.420 It ebbs and flows

00:24:05.780 If he's in that

00:24:07.000 Ballpark

00:24:07.520 I think he's fine

00:24:08.660 If he is

00:24:10.820 You know

00:24:11.440 Shows up at

00:24:12.400 55%

00:24:14.300 Or 60%

00:24:15.260 I think people

00:24:16.160 Will start

00:24:16.620 Questioning

00:24:17.180 But you know

00:24:18.520 He's got to have

00:24:18.960 A good showing

00:24:19.460 In the by-election

00:24:20.200 And then he's got

00:24:21.340 To focus on his

00:24:22.440 Leadership review

00:24:24.100 So he's essentially

00:24:25.080 He'll finish

00:24:26.000 One electoral battle

00:24:29.540 In about three weeks

00:24:32.180 And then start him

00:24:33.180 On another one

00:24:34.180 Because he's got

00:24:37.140 To have a similar

00:24:38.000 Showing in the

00:24:39.100 Leadership review

00:24:39.740 At the end of January

00:24:40.640 Final thing I wanted

00:24:42.820 To ask you about

00:24:43.780 That has got

00:24:44.880 People talking

00:24:46.700 And people upset

00:24:47.620 In different places

00:24:48.460 I don't know

00:24:49.640 Anything about him

00:24:50.240 As you know

00:24:50.680 I only listen to

00:24:51.500 Punk rock or reggae

00:24:52.500 So like

00:24:53.540 There's this

00:24:54.580 Mega singer

00:24:55.780 Maybe it's not fair

00:24:57.320 To even call him that

00:24:58.400 He's a singer

00:24:59.600 Who has political views

00:25:01.600 From the United States

00:25:02.460 He's doing a cross-Canada tour

00:25:04.400 And CBC is vexed about it

00:25:08.160 And the city of Montreal

00:25:09.740 Has fined someone

00:25:11.180 A church I think 0.97

00:25:12.260 That hosted him

00:25:13.840 Because they didn't

00:25:14.920 Have a permit

00:25:15.660 Like what is going on

00:25:17.620 With this guy

00:25:18.060 I can't even pronounce

00:25:18.840 His last name

00:25:19.740 Sean Fecht

00:25:20.980 Is that the

00:25:22.000 Yeah well

00:25:23.640 And you know

00:25:24.840 So he supports

00:25:27.240 Donald Trump

00:25:27.860 So what

00:25:28.540 He's a Christian singer

00:25:29.700 Are we going to start

00:25:30.500 Saying you can't

00:25:31.560 Come to the country 0.58

00:25:32.200 If you support

00:25:33.560 A leader

00:25:34.620 That we don't like

00:25:35.620 It's very

00:25:36.680 I'll point this out

00:25:38.180 In my column

00:25:39.420 I said CBC

00:25:40.240 Started a holy war

00:25:41.660 Against this guy

00:25:42.460 And the

00:25:45.180 The idea

00:25:46.700 That was

00:25:47.760 That they just

00:25:48.640 Started saying

00:25:49.120 This guy's MAGA

00:25:49.840 This guy's MAGA

00:25:50.680 It's controversial

00:25:52.040 His concert

00:25:52.980 Should be shut down

00:25:53.900 That's what they

00:25:54.660 Opened with

00:25:55.280 Before he showed up

00:25:56.940 They did articles

00:25:57.740 On kneecap

00:25:58.540 And stories on kneecap

00:25:59.660 The Irish rap duo

00:26:00.520 That actually supports

00:26:01.640 Banned terror groups

00:26:03.660 And they opened with

00:26:06.300 It would be dangerous

00:26:07.340 To start shutting down

00:26:08.940 Concerts

00:26:09.800 They found an organization

00:26:11.480 That felt that way

00:26:13.080 They didn't talk to

00:26:14.580 The same organization

00:26:15.540 Eventually they did

00:26:16.540 After all of his venues

00:26:18.120 Were shut down

00:26:18.800 They talked to the organization

00:26:20.140 But with kneecap

00:26:21.460 CBC opened with

00:26:22.800 It would be dangerous

00:26:24.420 To limit freedom

00:26:25.540 Of expression like this

00:26:26.800 With John Fector

00:26:29.140 I don't know

00:26:30.240 How you say his name

00:26:31.040 You know

00:26:33.040 They opened with

00:26:34.680 This guy holds

00:26:35.820 Controversial views

00:26:37.120 And people want him done

00:26:39.040 And like

00:26:40.080 You know 0.90

00:26:40.460 It's just ridiculous

00:26:41.780 I don't know him

00:26:43.160 But they've made him famous

00:26:44.360 Well and it's the same 0.80

00:26:45.600 CBC

00:26:46.220 That decries

00:26:47.600 People

00:26:48.520 Canadians

00:26:49.240 Coming into the

00:26:50.100 United States

00:26:50.860 You know

00:26:51.560 Who have espoused

00:26:52.880 Anti-Trump views

00:26:54.400 And they're getting

00:26:55.040 Hassled at the border

00:26:55.920 And you know

00:26:56.960 It's right for people

00:26:57.860 To be upset about that

00:26:59.060 Like it

00:26:59.460 It's like

00:27:00.120 Well it cuts both ways

00:27:01.240 Boys and girls

00:27:02.000 Like you know

00:27:02.600 You're now

00:27:03.260 Kind of harassing

00:27:04.600 This guy for his views

00:27:05.760 None of which I agree with

00:27:07.100 But like

00:27:07.800 If you don't like him

00:27:08.540 Don't go see him play

00:27:10.220 Don't pay attention to him

00:27:11.620 Like what's the big deal

00:27:12.740 Well and apparently

00:27:14.480 The White House

00:27:15.040 Has taken notice of this

00:27:16.140 Because he does know

00:27:16.960 People in the White House

00:27:18.000 And we're trying

00:27:19.500 To do our trade deal

00:27:20.440 And now we're trying

00:27:21.340 To you know

00:27:22.080 Our government officials

00:27:23.280 Are trying to shut down

00:27:24.420 People who are close

00:27:26.180 To Trump

00:27:26.640 Well that's going to

00:27:27.700 Leave us 0.98

00:27:28.480 Fucked 0.99

00:27:29.080 Like Sean 1.00

00:27:30.500 It's ridiculous 0.79

00:27:33.400 All around 0.87

00:27:34.680 You know

00:27:35.480 It is very

00:27:37.840 Very different

00:27:38.600 Than the whole

00:27:39.380 Kneecap thing

00:27:40.120 Where

00:27:41.180 I mean

00:27:42.140 Kneecap has gone

00:27:43.240 On stage

00:27:43.720 Telling people

00:27:44.360 The only Tory

00:27:45.380 Is a good Tory 1.00

00:27:46.120 Kill your local MPP 0.99

00:27:47.520 They chanted that 1.00

00:27:48.980 On stage once

00:27:49.880 And waved around

00:27:50.740 The Hezbollah flag

00:27:51.720 They support Hezbollah 0.95

00:27:53.660 They support Hamas 0.99

00:27:54.620 Ban terror groups

00:27:55.540 You know

00:27:57.400 I don't see people

00:27:58.740 You know

00:27:59.340 Showing up to protest

00:28:00.700 When folks that support

00:28:02.240 President Xi of China

00:28:05.080 An actual dictator

00:28:06.580 Show up

00:28:07.340 We've

00:28:09.400 You know

00:28:09.980 Gotta grip people

00:28:11.300 I

00:28:11.800 Couldn't have told you

00:28:13.860 Who this guy was

00:28:14.860 Before CBC started

00:28:16.780 Their holy war

00:28:17.440 Against them

00:28:17.940 And I do want to

00:28:19.360 Point out to everybody

00:28:20.220 In closing

00:28:20.860 That Brian

00:28:22.040 Has excellent

00:28:23.240 Taste in music

00:28:24.140 He's even been

00:28:25.240 I think he's been

00:28:26.020 To see 1.00

00:28:26.520 Shit from Hell 1.00

00:28:27.480 Play 0.99

00:28:27.840 Which shows

00:28:29.040 You know

00:28:29.360 Your excellent

00:28:30.040 Taste in music

00:28:30.760 So

00:28:31.080 Like he's from

00:28:32.020 The Hammer

00:28:32.460 He knows teenage

00:28:33.260 Heads

00:28:33.800 Like he

00:28:34.200 Listen to good music

00:28:35.580 So

00:28:35.940 Don't assume

00:28:36.640 That he's just

00:28:37.200 A mega music guy

00:28:38.340 I had no idea

00:28:40.540 Who he was

00:28:41.320 But

00:28:41.900 Now everybody

00:28:43.200 Knows who he is

00:28:44.140 His Spotify

00:28:45.180 Plays have gone up

00:28:46.260 And guess what

00:28:47.100 He's booked

00:28:47.700 Six more gigs

00:28:48.860 In Canada

00:28:49.620 Since this started

00:28:50.900 He posted that yesterday

00:28:53.300 In rock and roll

00:28:54.420 Any publicity

00:28:55.360 Is good publicity

00:28:56.300 So

00:28:57.020 Well listen man

00:28:58.100 Enjoy

00:28:58.580 Enjoy

00:28:58.680 New Brunswick

00:29:02.140 And

00:29:02.880 Maybe some good music there

00:29:04.820 And

00:29:05.800 Have a safe trip

00:29:07.080 Back to Central Canada

00:29:08.620 We look forward to seeing you

00:29:09.680 And talking to you then

00:29:10.580 Alright

00:29:11.580 Talk later

00:29:17.100 Doctor

00:29:26.300 Doctor

00:29:26.340 Doctor

00:29:26.780 Help me

00:29:28.280 Doctor

00:29:29.460 Doctor

00:29:30.220 Help me

00:29:31.440 Try to

00:29:32.740 Try to

00:29:33.340 Help me

00:29:34.520 Doctor

00:29:35.760 Doctor

00:29:36.360 Help me

00:29:37.860 We'll get back to the

00:29:39.980 Sunday

00:29:40.280 Before you

00:29:41.200 Cut me 0.69

00:29:42.140 Take it back to the mind that you tried to bite me

00:29:49.140 Look it back, remember you left the judge had me

00:29:55.140 Push apart to the head of your eyes across me

00:30:12.140 Look it out, take your cover in cakes, you saw me 0.82

00:30:19.140 From the top, take ignited the knives you write me

00:30:26.140 Look it back, remember you left the judge had me 0.72

00:30:32.140 Hit me down, double-crossed, just cross me 1.00

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00:31:08.140 Hope you die for the misery that you gave me 1.00

00:31:31.140 Hope you die for the misery that you gave me 1.00

00:31:37.140 Hope you die, hope you die, love from me 1.00

00:31:43.140 Doctor, doctor, help me 1.00

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00:31:49.140 Try to, try to help me

00:31:53.140 Doctor, doctor, help me

00:31:56.140 I am Kevin Vong, I'm in for Alex Pearson

00:31:59.140 And we're here to talk about a Liberal MP's latest attempt

00:32:03.140 To sponsor petition to lower the voting age here in Canada

00:32:08.140 To 16, as the UK has recently done

00:32:12.140 And, you know, I was curious, I was like

00:32:14.140 Alright, let me take a look at the things that someone can or cannot do at 16

00:32:18.140 You know, at 16, you can't drink

00:32:20.140 You can't drive on your own

00:32:22.140 You can't, you can't buy a lottery ticket

00:32:24.140 You cannot legally enter into contracts

00:32:27.140 You can't get a tattoo without parental consent

00:32:30.140 You're not even clinically considered an adult

00:32:33.140 Nor can you be tried as one

00:32:35.140 Except in special circumstances

00:32:37.140 So, why, why is an MP advocating for this?

00:32:42.140 And we have with us Warren Kinsella

00:32:45.140 He's a former special advisor to a prime minister

00:32:48.140 And he's CEO of the Daisy Group

00:32:50.140 Warren, welcome to the Alex Pearson Show

00:32:52.140 Thanks for having me

00:32:53.140 So, Warren, the news of today is this 14 year old

00:32:56.140 Who we cannot name now

00:32:58.140 Whose audio, where he brags about murdering a grandmother

00:33:02.140 We can't even play because they are considered a youth

00:33:04.140 And they're not yet a fully formed adult

00:33:07.140 At least from the perspective of the law

00:33:10.140 Not at 14, 15, 16 or 17

00:33:12.140 Not till he's 18

00:33:14.140 So, this person can't be tried like an adult

00:33:16.140 But at 16, he would be able to vote like one 0.99

00:33:19.140 So, if this petition is successful

00:33:21.140 So, help us to make this make any sense

00:33:24.140 I think the only way to make it make sense

00:33:28.140 Is to consider who it's coming from

00:33:31.140 And that is mainly Nate Erskine-Smith

00:33:34.140 Who has been the Liberal Member of Parliament

00:33:37.140 For Beaches East York for a number of years

00:33:40.140 And he was kicked out of the Liberal Cabinet

00:33:46.140 By Mark Carney

00:33:47.140 He was briefly the Minister of Housing under Justin Trudeau

00:33:52.140 And he's unhappy

00:33:54.140 This is a...

00:33:55.140 You may famously recall him saying he was disrespected by the Prime Minister

00:34:00.140 By the Prime Minister taking him out of his Cabinet

00:34:03.140 Everybody knows that Prime Ministers are allowed to decide who's in their Cabinet

00:34:07.140 That's right

00:34:08.140 So, I think Nate wants to challenge Bonnie Crombie

00:34:11.140 Actually, I know Nate wants to challenge Bonnie Crombie

00:34:14.140 And he's trying to get publicity any way he can

00:34:17.140 And this week he's doing the petition about lowering the voting age

00:34:22.140 Last week he was attacking his own government for pushing through C5

00:34:27.140 I think he's trying to get attention so he can go after Bonnie Crombie

00:34:31.140 So, this isn't about caring about young people

00:34:35.140 And trying to address voter apathy or anything

00:34:38.140 This is just about an individual look

00:34:41.140 Trying to, I guess, exploit an issue for themselves

00:34:45.140 I think it's a cynical, calculated move to get attention

00:34:50.140 And, you know, because this has been attempted before in the House of Commons, as you know

00:34:55.140 And it failed dramatically

00:34:58.140 You know, the majority had the same view that you have expressed

00:35:02.140 Which is no way, that's crazy

00:35:05.140 You know, other jurisdictions around the world that have tried this

00:35:08.140 Have realized they've made a mistake

00:35:10.140 And, you know, I think Nate knows that too

00:35:13.140 You know, I think he's being cynical 0.96

00:35:15.140 But he's not stupid 0.99

00:35:16.140 He's trying to attract attention 0.98

00:35:18.140 And so, you know, I guess we're giving him some attention now

00:35:22.140 But I think his ultimate goal is to take out Bonnie Crombie

00:35:26.140 She beat him for the leadership of the Ontario Liberal Party last time

00:35:30.140 And he was unhappy about that

00:35:32.140 He's unhappy about being out of Cabinet

00:35:34.140 And now he's coming after her and trying to get his name in the paper

00:35:37.140 In any way that he can

00:35:39.140 And you're right

00:35:40.140 I guess suppose it is working because we're discussing it

00:35:43.140 I think the thing that bothers me perhaps the most on this issue

00:35:48.140 You know, as I hear your analysis on it

00:35:50.140 Is one of the things we talk a lot about is the need to engage young people

00:35:54.140 They feel disenfranchised

00:35:56.140 And so, to hear, potentially hear that this is just a cynical exploitation of young people

00:36:03.140 Not to help them or to address voter apathy

00:36:08.140 But to drive someone else's personal ambition

00:36:13.140 Probably, for me, makes this a lot worse than it otherwise would be

00:36:18.140 It is

00:36:19.140 It's taking advantage of those kids

00:36:21.140 You know, like, I don't know how you were

00:36:24.140 I suspect you were much more mature than me at the age of 16 or 15

00:36:29.140 But, you know, most parents know that, you know, kids lack life experience and maturity at that age

00:36:38.140 They are much more susceptible to influence

00:36:41.140 And that's become a huge issue

00:36:43.140 As you and I have talked about many times before

00:36:46.140 With respect to bots and hashtags and algorithms

00:36:50.140 You know, coming out of places like Iran and Russia and China 0.95

00:36:54.140 And, you know, as you pointed out

00:36:57.140 Voting should align with adult responsibilities, right?

00:37:01.140 It's a right

00:37:02.140 And it should align with, you know, the other things that you get from being an adult

00:37:07.140 You know, jury duty and military service and full-time work

00:37:11.140 Like, is Nate actually proposing that, you know, these kids are going to be voting

00:37:15.140 Should also be, you know, constricted into the military someday

00:37:19.140 So, to me, it's just a cynical grab for publicity

00:37:24.140 In order to pump up his drive for Bonnie Crombie's job 0.97

00:37:29.140 And I think it's very disappointing

00:37:32.140 Yeah, and I think you bring up an important point in terms of the risk, too

00:37:37.140 We're speaking with Warren Kinsella

00:37:38.140 He's CEO of the Daisy Group

00:37:40.140 And a former special advisor to the Prime Minister of Canada

00:37:44.140 About this petition from a Liberal MP to lower the voting age to 16

00:37:50.140 And I think once you make anyone eligible to be a voter

00:37:55.140 That also means then political parties can start to target them

00:37:59.140 And I think when you're young and impressionable and you're vulnerable

00:38:04.140 I'm not sure that I would necessarily want my now nine-month-old daughter

00:38:08.140 But I imagine if she was 16, I'm not sure that I'd want her to be targeted by political campaigns 1.00

00:38:14.140 And she would be

00:38:15.140 And, you know, we've seen this with respect to the Israel-Hamas conflict

00:38:20.140 The demographic that had become most susceptible to pro-Hamas, pro-Iran messaging are young people

00:38:30.140 Generation Z from the ages of 18 to 24 0.99

00:38:33.140 And millennials from the age of 25 to the age of 39

00:38:36.140 Those are the constituencies that have been successfully manipulated, in my opinion

00:38:42.140 By these bad guys

00:38:44.140 And to promote themes that are anti-Semitic and anti-democracy and anti-Western

00:38:50.140 So, like, do we really want to make that problem worse?

00:38:54.140 And say to young people who are being targeted by these manipulations and these propaganda efforts

00:39:02.140 Do we want to make it worse by giving them the ability to vote at this point?

00:39:06.140 I don't see a lot of young people clamoring for this

00:39:10.140 This seems to be just Nate Erskine-Smith and a few, a very small number of liberal MPs

00:39:14.140 Who are advocating for it with their petition

00:39:16.140 But again, in Nate's case, I think it's about something else entirely

00:39:20.140 Now Warren, I think we can put this particular topic to bed

00:39:24.140 Because I think, at least for me, you've articulated a very persuasive argument for your position

00:39:30.140 And I'm inclined to agree

00:39:32.140 So, then let's bring this to

00:39:34.140 Alright, we do have a real issue with youth disinformation and apathy

00:39:40.140 How do we change that?

00:39:42.140 A couple things

00:39:44.140 Firstly, you know, the billionaires who own these platforms

00:39:48.140 And are making billions out of us

00:39:50.140 They need to enforce their end-user agreements

00:39:54.140 And, you know, take some concrete and positive steps

00:39:58.140 To ensure that the manipulations that are taking place now

00:40:02.140 The propaganda that's taking place now

00:40:04.140 Stops, that's number one

00:40:06.140 Number two, we need to deal with anonymity

00:40:08.140 You know, most of the harm

00:40:10.140 Whether it's directed at Jews

00:40:12.140 Or women 0.99

00:40:14.140 Or people of colour 0.99

00:40:16.140 Is coming from anonymous accounts

00:40:18.140 We need to ensure that, you know, people are going online

00:40:20.140 And they've got something critical to say

00:40:22.140 They should put their name behind it

00:40:24.140 And then, you know, thirdly

00:40:26.140 I would say that governments, you know

00:40:28.140 Need to get themselves more fully involved in this

00:40:30.140 Not to tell us what we can say

00:40:32.140 Not to control what we can say

00:40:34.140 But to say to the owners of these platforms

00:40:36.140 Look, you've got an obligation to facilitate the truth

00:40:40.140 Not to allow lies to circulate

00:40:42.140 Because our young people are being targeted

00:40:46.140 At an unprecedented level

00:40:48.140 And with AI now

00:40:50.140 A few weeks ago

00:40:52.140 And talking to some experts about bots

00:40:54.140 And they, you know, they said to me

00:40:56.140 By Christmas time of this year

00:40:58.140 We're going to have bots 0.82

00:41:00.140 That you are not going to be able to tell the difference

00:41:02.140 Between them and a real human

00:41:04.140 And you can just imagine

00:41:06.140 The effect that that would have on young people

00:41:08.140 Who lack the experience and the knowledge

00:41:10.140 To make important political decisions

00:41:12.140 So I think, you know

00:41:14.140 Those are three things that we can do

00:41:16.140 We can do right now

00:41:17.140 And they don't cost any money

00:41:18.140 But we need to get more fully engaged

00:41:20.140 In what is becoming a very big problem

00:41:22.140 Is our government doing any of these three things?

00:41:24.140 They are not

00:41:27.140 The Trudeau government, as you know

00:41:29.140 When you were there as a member of parliament

00:41:31.140 Did take some steps to deal with some online harms

00:41:35.140 But it kind of went nowhere

00:41:37.140 Got lost in lots of controversy

00:41:40.140 And then, you know

00:41:41.140 The Trudeau government came to an end

00:41:43.140 So the Carney guys have signaled no willingness

00:41:47.140 Or enthusiasm for dealing with this right now

00:41:50.140 But they need to

00:41:51.140 Because the problem is getting worse

00:41:53.140 You just need to go online

00:41:54.140 Whether it's a Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theory

00:41:58.140 Or something about COVID

00:42:00.140 Or 5G

00:42:01.140 You name it

00:42:02.140 There's a lot out there

00:42:04.140 And the people who are online more than any other

00:42:06.140 The demographic is online more than any other

00:42:08.140 Is young people 1.00

00:42:10.140 And we're seeing in the data

00:42:11.140 We're seeing in the polling

00:42:13.140 Their opinions are being changed by what they see

00:42:16.140 So we need to deal with that

00:42:18.140 We need to protect them

00:42:20.140 And we do that, you know

00:42:22.140 By giving them proper information

00:42:24.140 Not just saying, here, go and vote

00:42:26.140 And go and vote

00:42:27.140 Based upon some propaganda or lie

00:42:29.140 That was passed along to you

00:42:30.140 Warren, thanks for joining us on 640 Toronto

00:42:33.140 Thanks, my friend

00:42:34.140 That was Warren Kinsella

00:42:36.140 CEO of The Daisy Group

00:42:41.140 Just like a comet through the sky

00:42:54.140 Just like an avalanche down the mountainside

00:43:00.140 It's our getaway car

00:43:03.140 Our rocket ship to Mars

00:43:06.140 You hit me at the speed of sound

00:43:09.140 You hit me at the speed of sound

00:43:11.140 For now

00:43:16.760 I'd never miss you

00:43:18.140 We're old clothes like a blurry grey sea

00:43:25.140 But we can be there

00:43:30.140 Just like a neon

00:43:31.140 The road flows like a blurry gray sea

00:43:37.120 Just like a meteor into the atmosphere

00:43:43.640 My white and silver chair

00:43:47.140 You are my safest bet

00:43:49.980 You hit me at the speed of sound

00:44:01.140 You hit me at the speed of sound

00:44:06.140 You hit me at the speed of sound

00:44:10.140 I put in support of sound

00:44:14.140 The rhythm andidade results

00:44:18.140 I accept sound

00:44:20.140 See 뉴� brass

00:44:22.140 A little bit less

00:44:23.140 Don't poke

00:44:27.140 My adversaries are an exceleless friend

00:44:43.400 Please just accelerate

00:44:47.580 Drive me to the end

00:44:50.120 You take me to the edge

00:44:53.540 Feels like we're gonna crash

00:44:56.320 You hit me at the speed of sound

00:45:26.320 Welcome back to the Ben Mulroney Show

00:45:32.840 And it is Friday

00:45:34.020 Which means we take stock of the big political stories of the week

00:45:38.200 And couldn't ask for two better partners to do this with

00:45:40.980 We've got Chris Chapin, political commentator

00:45:42.520 As well as managing principal at Upstream Strategy

00:45:45.280 And Warren Kinsella, former special advisor to Jean Chrétien

00:45:48.540 And the CEO of the Daisy Group

00:45:50.140 Happy Friday, guys

00:45:51.180 Happy Friday, Ben

00:45:52.640 Happy Friday

00:45:53.600 All right, so let's start with the big court case

00:45:56.160 We've been waiting on pins and needles for the decision by the judge

00:46:01.540 In the sexual assault trial for the Hockey Canada players

00:46:05.880 And quickly, as the judge was rendering her decision

00:46:10.820 It was pretty clear that she was gonna come out in favor of not guilty

00:46:14.420 And I'm of the opinion that

00:46:18.460 Nobody was gonna be happy with this result

00:46:22.380 But it was a predictable result

00:46:23.780 It was an expected result

00:46:25.260 And also, if you harken back to Gian Gomeschi so many years ago

00:46:28.520 Doesn't feel like a whole lot has changed

00:46:30.660 Warren, what are your thoughts?

00:46:33.320 I agree with you

00:46:34.560 And like, you know, I wasn't in the courtroom

00:46:38.080 My rule of thumb is always be careful about commenting

00:46:41.340 If you haven't been there to hear and see all the evidence

00:46:45.320 But, you know, there is fallout that we can comment on

00:46:49.020 You know, for the players

00:46:50.980 I don't think it's gonna be

00:46:52.100 Any of these guys are gonna be heading into the NHL anytime soon

00:46:56.140 They've all taken a reputational hit

00:46:58.220 Whether they've been exonerated or not

00:47:00.240 You know, and they're seen as kind of creepy

00:47:03.460 Because there was five guys in a room with one woman 0.99

00:47:06.220 With, for women 1.00

00:47:08.240 And I've talked to a few this morning

00:47:10.240 What I've gotten is

00:47:12.600 I'm not surprised

00:47:13.660 This is what always happens

00:47:14.880 This is why we have no confidence in the justice system

00:47:18.100 And, you know, fewer women are gonna come forward 1.00

00:47:21.860 Whether those things are true or not

00:47:23.720 That is the reality we've got this morning

00:47:26.340 And, you know, professional sports taking yet another hit

00:47:29.840 So, I don't think a lot of people

00:47:32.280 I don't think anybody's happy all around

00:47:34.520 Players included

00:47:35.520 Who got that not guilty verdict

00:47:37.360 Chris, this is yet another black eye for Hockey Canada

00:47:42.540 And there are calls to take that thing down to the studs 0.99

00:47:46.200 Change the name, change the logo

00:47:47.560 And start fresh

00:47:49.880 Because there is

00:47:50.920 I mean, what we're hearing is

00:47:53.940 There was a slush fund to pay off

00:47:56.020 You know, those who would make allegations

00:47:58.780 It's almost like the stories that we heard about the Catholic Church

00:48:02.080 And I gotta wonder what you think

00:48:05.480 Yeah, I think that's, you know

00:48:07.560 I think if there is one black spot in this whole case

00:48:10.720 Then it is Hockey Canada

00:48:12.140 Because, you know, at the end of the day

00:48:14.440 Yesterday

00:48:15.060 Our justice system acquitted these five men

00:48:18.820 And said that, you know, what they were accused of

00:48:21.540 Wasn't, didn't in fact happen

00:48:24.480 You know, the sexual assault didn't happen

00:48:25.940 And I think the fact that Hockey Canada

00:48:27.940 Tried to throw it under

00:48:29.740 Throw it under the rug

00:48:31.220 And pay this woman off 1.00

00:48:32.820 With, you know

00:48:33.580 And tried to make sure that this never saw the light of day

00:48:35.720 Is a black spot on Hockey Canada

00:48:38.140 And something we should reflect on

00:48:39.400 Because our justice system said

00:48:41.300 These guys weren't guilty

00:48:42.780 And I mean, I thought Warren made a great point

00:48:45.160 About, you know, if you weren't in the courtroom

00:48:46.800 You'd be very careful commenting

00:48:48.100 Because, you know, I tried to follow this case

00:48:50.380 Fairly intently

00:48:51.420 Because I thought it was, you know, a fascinating one

00:48:53.400 But it was very interesting

00:48:55.980 I think probably the most reporting we saw

00:48:58.220 Of the entire case yesterday

00:48:59.300 Was of the justice's verdict

00:49:01.600 Almost word for word

00:49:03.520 And there were things that came out in her verdict

00:49:05.460 And her review of her findings

00:49:07.940 That I hadn't seen reported

00:49:10.160 Through the news

00:49:11.840 Because, you know, whoever was covering the court case

00:49:13.940 That day just didn't think that was relevant

00:49:15.600 For public consumption

00:49:17.300 And so I thought that was something also

00:49:19.460 That was fascinating

00:49:20.140 Is, you know, there were clearly things that were said

00:49:22.640 That were obviously not reported publicly

00:49:24.320 And I think people jumped to conclusions

00:49:25.900 About, you know, the guilt of these five guys

00:49:28.400 Far too quickly

00:49:30.240 All right, let's move on to the state of play

00:49:33.000 With our steel industry

00:49:34.520 It's being battered by Donald Trump

00:49:38.700 And his false allegations

00:49:40.060 That for some reason

00:49:41.680 It is a national security risk

00:49:43.800 To let Canadians steal into the United States 1.00

00:49:47.080 Without tariffing it

00:49:48.420 Whatever

00:49:49.100 That being said

00:49:50.160 Algoma Steel

00:49:51.180 Is looking for up to

00:49:53.060 $600 million in loans

00:49:54.900 Effectively a bailout

00:49:56.020 And the biggest shareholder

00:49:57.840 Is saying that

00:49:59.660 The Canadian government

00:50:00.760 Is acting like a loan shark

00:50:02.140 In terms of how it's

00:50:03.980 Talking about these negotiations

00:50:05.000 Warren, is this an indication

00:50:08.900 That Mark Carney

00:50:11.100 Is actually

00:50:12.320 A different kind of liberal

00:50:14.500 And he's actually

00:50:15.200 He's paying attention

00:50:17.040 To the money that's going out

00:50:18.400 As opposed to

00:50:19.940 Just spending it

00:50:21.280 Like a drunken sailor

00:50:22.360 Well, I guess

00:50:24.120 We're going to find out

00:50:25.200 I mean, you know

00:50:26.320 We do have a history

00:50:27.540 In this country

00:50:28.500 You know, during the global

00:50:29.940 Economic crisis

00:50:31.180 GM and Chrysler

00:50:32.760 And the banks

00:50:33.620 Got bailed out

00:50:34.640 You know, in the 90s

00:50:36.360 Air Canada got bailed out

00:50:38.040 Like the Irvings 1.00

00:50:39.940 I mean, Bombardier

00:50:41.140 Was practically

00:50:41.800 A government department

00:50:42.980 It got bailed out so often

00:50:44.520 So, you know

00:50:46.660 It's not unreasonable

00:50:48.660 For, you know

00:50:51.340 The head of this company

00:50:52.280 To do what he's doing

00:50:53.340 Which is say

00:50:54.020 Stick his hand out

00:50:55.180 And say

00:50:55.540 Hey, you know

00:50:56.660 We need some help here

00:50:57.980 There's no question

00:50:58.920 He's been hammered

00:51:00.560 Because of Trump

00:51:01.600 As you point out

00:51:02.540 There's no question

00:51:03.860 That he is hurting

00:51:05.080 Along with other sectors

00:51:06.360 Like auto

00:51:07.140 Because of tariffs

00:51:09.300 The question we have to ask

00:51:11.500 Is, you know

00:51:12.040 Do we bail out

00:51:13.820 These big organizations

00:51:15.000 When they get in trouble

00:51:16.040 You know, in the past

00:51:17.300 We had even the Ottawa Senators

00:51:19.240 Seeking a bailout

00:51:20.580 From Ottawa

00:51:21.700 When my guy

00:51:23.160 Chrétien was Prime Minister

00:51:24.640 And he said no

00:51:26.200 But there have been

00:51:27.280 Other instances

00:51:28.320 Where we've said yes

00:51:29.420 And I think those

00:51:30.100 This guy and his lobbyists

00:51:31.760 Are going to rely

00:51:32.420 On that argument

00:51:33.320 And say

00:51:33.700 Well, look

00:51:34.080 You bailed out them

00:51:35.080 Right

00:51:35.500 Why don't you bail out me

00:51:36.580 I didn't do this

00:51:37.540 Yeah

00:51:37.960 Donald Trump did it to me

00:51:39.220 Help me out

00:51:39.820 Yeah, Chris

00:51:40.620 If we're not careful

00:51:41.900 If our government

00:51:42.820 In Ottawa is not careful

00:51:43.940 Yeah, we could be on the hook

00:51:45.340 For the entire automotive industry

00:51:46.700 Again

00:51:47.280 Yeah

00:51:48.580 And I'm always hesitant

00:51:51.300 To give the feds credit

00:51:52.760 On things

00:51:53.260 But I think

00:51:53.980 You know

00:51:54.480 This is probably

00:51:55.300 The right position to be in

00:51:56.400 If you're Mark Carney

00:51:57.080 And the liberals

00:51:57.560 Is 0.88

00:51:57.840 I think it's too soon

00:51:59.220 To start

00:51:59.780 You know

00:52:00.100 Handing out cash

00:52:01.280 To industries

00:52:03.240 That are in trouble

00:52:03.900 Because I mean

00:52:04.580 Ideally

00:52:05.000 You find yourself

00:52:05.640 In a position

00:52:06.140 Where we reach a deal

00:52:07.400 Sooner rather than later

00:52:08.500 Because

00:52:09.280 As you guys both know

00:52:10.800 You know

00:52:11.320 You give one

00:52:12.100 One company

00:52:13.180 You give one industry

00:52:14.140 A bailout

00:52:14.820 Or you know

00:52:15.520 A favorable loan

00:52:16.580 Every other industry

00:52:18.400 Heck

00:52:18.760 I'm a lobbyist

00:52:19.540 Every other industry

00:52:20.300 Is going to come calling

00:52:21.120 And say

00:52:21.600 You know

00:52:22.260 We'd like money too

00:52:23.400 And at this point

00:52:24.360 The uncertainty is so high

00:52:25.800 That who wouldn't say

00:52:27.560 That they need help right now

00:52:28.660 I think every industry

00:52:29.680 Across this country

00:52:30.560 Is you know

00:52:31.060 Sitting there

00:52:31.460 Scratching their heads

00:52:32.120 So I mean

00:52:33.100 I suppose

00:52:33.760 Kudos to Carney

00:52:35.500 And the federal government

00:52:36.600 For holding tight right now

00:52:38.460 And that if there were

00:52:39.500 Loan terms on the table

00:52:41.220 For Algoma

00:52:42.340 That they were rather rigid

00:52:43.920 Because I mean

00:52:44.560 You know

00:52:44.980 At the end of the day

00:52:45.500 They should be

00:52:46.000 I mean

00:52:46.260 I remember being in Ottawa

00:52:47.220 During the auto bailout

00:52:49.460 And I mean

00:52:50.000 I was of the opinion then

00:52:51.460 That we you know

00:52:52.300 It was

00:52:52.880 We had to do it

00:52:54.080 But I thought the terms

00:52:55.000 Were far too favorable

00:52:55.940 To GM and Ford

00:52:57.080 I only have a little bit

00:52:59.060 Of time left

00:52:59.360 So I'm going to give each

00:52:59.940 Each one of you

00:53:00.780 About 40 seconds

00:53:01.660 To comment on

00:53:02.680 What feels like

00:53:03.460 An about face

00:53:04.180 By the federal liberals

00:53:05.560 Who campaigned

00:53:07.300 Against Pierre Polyev

00:53:08.440 Who was going to cut

00:53:09.100 The civil service

00:53:10.200 And now it looks like

00:53:11.520 At least 55 to 60,000

00:53:13.360 People are going to be

00:53:14.260 On the outside

00:53:16.460 Looking in

00:53:17.160 Of the civil service

00:53:18.520 Warren

00:53:19.760 Give me your sense

00:53:20.660 Well I mean

00:53:22.880 You know

00:53:23.180 I went through this

00:53:23.840 With Prime Minister Kretzian

00:53:25.020 Like his

00:53:25.700 You know

00:53:26.060 That first budget

00:53:27.220 In the 94-95 period

00:53:30.220 Did have massive cuts

00:53:33.300 To the public service

00:53:34.520 Now Kretzian 1.00

00:53:35.440 Was re-elected

00:53:36.420 With a majority

00:53:37.580 But it was narrow

00:53:39.040 And you know 1.00

00:53:39.800 There was this jerk 1.00

00:53:40.760 Running in North Vancouver 1.00

00:53:42.020 For him

00:53:42.440 Warren Kinsella

00:53:43.240 Who probably

00:53:44.460 Lost his shot

00:53:45.640 His shot

00:53:46.260 In his seat

00:53:47.660 Because of it

00:53:48.440 So like

00:53:49.300 There's a risk

00:53:49.900 What's interesting here

00:53:50.860 There's a real

00:53:51.400 Nixon goes to China

00:53:52.560 Thing

00:53:52.920 Yeah

00:53:53.160 You know

00:53:53.640 Polyev said

00:53:54.540 The same thing

00:53:55.460 During the election

00:53:56.080 He said

00:53:56.400 We're going to have

00:53:56.840 To trim back

00:53:57.500 The public service

00:53:58.500 And he has

00:54:00.660 An Ottawa

00:54:01.180 Or had

00:54:02.020 An Ottawa area

00:54:02.960 Riding

00:54:03.420 And it looked like

00:54:04.620 That's one of the things

00:54:05.500 He got punished for

00:54:06.420 The guy in the

00:54:07.440 Neighboring riding

00:54:08.380 Is a guy named

00:54:09.040 Mark Carney

00:54:09.700 And he hasn't

00:54:11.040 Been punished for it

00:54:12.060 So maybe liberals

00:54:13.160 Can get away with this

00:54:14.500 And Tories can

00:54:15.700 You know

00:54:15.980 Tories are seen

00:54:16.660 As meaner about it

00:54:17.720 But generally

00:54:18.620 You know

00:54:18.940 When Harper was there 0.88

00:54:19.900 When your dad was there

00:54:20.980 There weren't huge cuts

00:54:22.600 In the public service

00:54:23.580 But they still get tagged

00:54:25.020 With this impression

00:54:26.080 That they might

00:54:27.040 Chris last 30 seconds

00:54:28.560 To you

00:54:28.920 Yeah I think

00:54:30.480 You know

00:54:30.920 Warren makes a good point

00:54:32.100 There's a difference

00:54:33.100 Of you know

00:54:33.740 You shouldn't be surprised

00:54:34.580 If you say it publicly

00:54:35.540 You know

00:54:35.920 If you say

00:54:36.400 You're going to fire people

00:54:37.460 They might respond that way

00:54:39.900 It happened here

00:54:40.640 Back in 2014

00:54:42.760 With Tim Hudak

00:54:43.580 In Ontario

00:54:44.060 You know

00:54:44.440 You go out and say

00:54:45.080 You're going to cut

00:54:45.600 100,000 jobs

00:54:46.600 You shouldn't be surprised

00:54:47.800 When the people

00:54:48.280 Whose jobs you're cutting

00:54:49.840 Respond accordingly

00:54:51.380 All right

00:54:52.420 We're going to take a break

00:54:53.360 When we come back

00:54:54.260 France is set 0.95

00:54:55.580 To recognize

00:54:56.920 Palestine

00:54:57.640 As a state

00:54:58.940 There are a lot of people

00:55:00.220 Lining up to suggest

00:55:01.400 That Canada

00:55:01.940 Should follow suit 1.00

00:55:02.820 So we're going to

00:55:03.160 Dig into that next

00:55:03.820 Don't go anywhere

00:55:04.300 This is the Ben Mulroney Show

00:55:05.460 Welcome back to the Ben Mulroney Show

00:55:12.540 Welcome back to this week in politics

00:55:14.400 The Friday edition

00:55:15.620 And welcome back to Chris Chapin

00:55:16.960 And Warren Kinsella

00:55:17.980 Warren let's start with you

00:55:19.540 What do you make

00:55:21.100 Of Emmanuel Macron

00:55:22.840 The president of France

00:55:24.160 Doing something

00:55:26.460 Kind of out there

00:55:28.620 And declaring

00:55:29.800 Recognizing

00:55:31.000 A Palestinian state

00:55:32.980 Right now

00:55:34.640 With everything we know

00:55:36.640 About the leadership

00:55:37.460 Of the Palestinian people

00:55:39.440 And of Gaza 0.81

00:55:40.180 Explain this to me

00:55:42.320 In a way that makes sense

00:55:43.020 To the listeners

00:55:43.460 I can't

00:55:45.820 You know

00:55:46.320 I think it's terrible

00:55:47.080 I think it's horrible 1.00

00:55:47.900 I think it's stupid 1.00

00:55:48.900 You know 0.99

00:55:50.700 For this

00:55:51.160 For one simple reason

00:55:52.920 The government

00:55:54.280 Of Gaza 0.86

00:55:55.420 Is Hamas 0.84

00:55:56.740 Yeah

00:55:57.060 A designated terrorist entity

00:55:59.560 In this country

00:56:00.540 In Canada

00:56:01.360 Hamas has been 0.98

00:56:02.580 A designated terrorist entity

00:56:04.600 Since 2002

00:56:06.280 How can you declare

00:56:08.940 A state

00:56:10.840 A government

00:56:11.900 Run by a terror group

00:56:13.940 To be

00:56:14.860 Someone you recognize

00:56:16.320 With whom you have

00:56:17.260 Diplomatic relations

00:56:18.840 With which you do trade

00:56:20.260 Like it's

00:56:21.120 It's bananas

00:56:21.960 Yeah

00:56:22.220 And I think that

00:56:23.640 You know

00:56:24.040 France has backed itself

00:56:25.240 Into a big problem

00:56:26.100 Is it

00:56:26.900 Chris

00:56:27.420 Look I don't want to be

00:56:28.660 Cynical here 0.93

00:56:29.440 I'd like to believe

00:56:31.160 The best

00:56:31.640 I'd like to believe

00:56:32.320 People's motivations

00:56:33.100 Are pure

00:56:33.600 Is this a numbers game

00:56:35.200 I mean

00:56:35.720 Is it as simple as

00:56:37.020 There are more people

00:56:38.380 In France

00:56:39.300 Who would be supportive

00:56:41.200 Of this idea

00:56:41.980 Than there are

00:56:43.140 Jews

00:56:44.080 Yes

00:56:45.620 Yeah

00:56:46.600 Point blank

00:56:47.240 Ben

00:56:47.480 It's

00:56:48.160 That's all it is

00:56:48.860 I think at this point

00:56:49.660 And unfortunately

00:56:51.080 We've seen that creep

00:56:52.500 Into

00:56:53.000 Our politics

00:56:54.700 Here in Canada

00:56:55.240 It's

00:56:56.040 It's

00:56:57.960 I think

00:56:58.360 Most people

00:56:59.460 Believe the right thing

00:57:00.420 To do

00:57:00.840 Is to

00:57:01.460 To stand with

00:57:02.340 Israel

00:57:02.980 On

00:57:03.660 On the attack

00:57:04.700 They faced

00:57:05.260 And

00:57:05.480 And trying to

00:57:06.440 Free themselves

00:57:07.080 From

00:57:07.420 From

00:57:07.940 As Warren

00:57:08.380 Pointed out

00:57:08.820 This

00:57:09.120 Terrorist

00:57:09.880 Organization

00:57:10.400 That continues

00:57:10.920 To attack

00:57:11.380 Them

00:57:11.620 But it comes

00:57:13.400 Down to a

00:57:13.780 Numbers game

00:57:14.280 And there's

00:57:15.120 There's more

00:57:16.880 People that are

00:57:17.760 Vocally supportive

00:57:18.680 It seems here

00:57:19.440 In Canada

00:57:20.240 Than there are

00:57:22.660 That are vocally

00:57:23.340 Supportive of

00:57:23.980 The Jewish state

00:57:24.660 Of Israel 0.92

00:57:25.040 And I think

00:57:25.900 That's clearly

00:57:26.420 What's happened

00:57:26.880 In France

00:57:27.360 And so

00:57:28.340 It comes down

00:57:29.220 To politics

00:57:29.940 And it's

00:57:31.080 Macron has

00:57:32.100 Made a decision

00:57:32.760 That he thinks

00:57:33.400 It's more

00:57:34.140 Beneficial for him

00:57:35.200 To take a stand

00:57:36.300 And call

00:57:36.620 Palestine a state 1.00

00:57:37.500 Than I think

00:57:38.420 Do the right thing

00:57:39.200 And unfortunately

00:57:40.100 Politics will be

00:57:42.380 Politics

00:57:42.740 But Warren

00:57:43.860 Like let's

00:57:44.820 Let's live in

00:57:45.560 In a world

00:57:46.800 Where words

00:57:48.020 Have meaning

00:57:48.600 And if France

00:57:50.300 Recognizes

00:57:51.560 The Palestinian

00:57:53.000 State

00:57:53.680 What are some

00:57:55.020 Immediate changes

00:57:56.100 To the relations

00:57:57.080 Between Gaza

00:57:57.900 And France

00:57:58.620 And what would

00:57:59.680 Those changes

00:58:00.140 Be if

00:58:00.800 You know

00:58:01.440 I just saw

00:58:02.240 Nate Erskine

00:58:02.780 Smith's tweet

00:58:04.040 Where he said

00:58:04.560 We should follow

00:58:05.200 Suit

00:58:05.560 What would

00:58:05.940 Change in

00:58:06.500 Canada

00:58:06.860 If the

00:58:07.680 Government

00:58:07.960 Said

00:58:08.340 Yes we

00:58:09.040 Recognize

00:58:09.520 The Palestinian

00:58:10.020 State

00:58:10.400 Well I mean

00:58:12.540 Okay then

00:58:13.200 You know

00:58:13.860 Mr. Macron

00:58:14.680 Where are you

00:58:15.200 Going to set

00:58:15.560 Up your

00:58:15.880 Embassy

00:58:16.260 In Gaza

00:58:16.880 And who's

00:58:17.740 Going to

00:58:17.960 Protect it

00:58:18.480 It's a war 0.84

00:58:19.120 Zone

00:58:19.540 And like

00:58:20.360 The same

00:58:20.740 Thing applies

00:58:21.260 To Canada

00:58:21.600 Like the

00:58:21.940 Prime Minister

00:58:22.460 Yesterday

00:58:23.140 Issued a tweet

00:58:24.300 I'll read

00:58:24.680 Part of it

00:58:25.220 Canada condemns

00:58:26.340 The Israeli

00:58:26.720 Government's

00:58:27.200 Failure to

00:58:27.660 Prevent the

00:58:28.040 Rapidly

00:58:28.480 Deteriorating

00:58:29.160 Humanitarian

00:58:30.000 Disaster

00:58:30.480 In Gaza

00:58:30.900 This denial

00:58:31.900 Of humanitarian

00:58:32.700 Aid is a

00:58:33.460 Violation of

00:58:34.360 International

00:58:35.060 Law

00:58:35.520 The international

00:58:37.160 Law

00:58:37.560 Those are

00:58:37.960 Strong words

00:58:39.000 So basically

00:58:39.960 What he's

00:58:40.520 Doing

00:58:40.980 Carney

00:58:41.420 Is yesterday

00:58:42.120 Accused

00:58:42.840 Israel

00:58:43.620 Of a crime

00:58:44.440 In international

00:58:45.900 Law

00:58:46.500 And so I

00:58:47.460 Actually

00:58:47.860 I'm writing a

00:58:48.620 Column about this

00:58:49.240 For this weekend

00:58:49.900 For Postmedia

00:58:50.680 And I've

00:58:51.480 Written the PMO

00:58:52.400 And I've

00:58:52.700 Written the

00:58:53.000 Global Affairs

00:58:53.580 And I said

00:58:53.960 Okay so

00:58:54.540 We don't have

00:58:55.540 Any diplomatic

00:58:56.140 Presence on the

00:58:57.080 Ground

00:58:57.460 In Gaza

00:58:58.080 We haven't

00:58:59.240 Ever

00:58:59.580 We don't have

00:59:00.900 Any military

00:59:01.440 There

00:59:01.800 We don't have

00:59:02.340 Any first

00:59:02.860 Hand accounts

00:59:03.500 Where are you

00:59:04.220 Guys getting

00:59:04.620 Your information

00:59:05.260 From

00:59:05.700 Yeah

00:59:06.080 Like how do

00:59:07.140 You know

00:59:07.560 That they're

00:59:08.260 Violating international

00:59:09.360 Law

00:59:09.760 As far as I

00:59:10.920 Know

00:59:11.220 This you know

00:59:12.400 This you know

00:59:12.420 GHF

00:59:13.180 Organizations

00:59:13.980 Got a

00:59:14.460 Thousand

00:59:14.960 Trucks

00:59:15.460 Idling

00:59:16.160 In Gaza

00:59:17.260 With food

00:59:18.060 And aid

00:59:18.660 And supplies

00:59:19.240 On it

00:59:19.580 That the

00:59:20.500 United Nations

00:59:21.920 Confused to

00:59:22.660 Distribute

00:59:23.160 Yeah

00:59:23.340 Didn't

00:59:23.720 Didn't the

00:59:24.140 IDF

00:59:24.500 Confused

00:59:25.260 Didn't the

00:59:25.680 IDF

00:59:26.100 Take a bunch

00:59:26.640 Of journalists

00:59:27.120 On a tour

00:59:27.720 Showing them

00:59:28.280 The thousands

00:59:29.040 Of pallets

00:59:29.680 Of food

00:59:30.060 That were

00:59:30.320 Just sitting

00:59:30.760 There

00:59:30.900 That they

00:59:31.160 That it

00:59:32.100 Is not

00:59:33.180 I don't know

00:59:34.820 What they

00:59:35.300 Showed them

00:59:35.820 But they

00:59:36.080 Essentially

00:59:36.340 Showed them

00:59:36.660 There is

00:59:37.260 Food

00:59:37.540 It's not

00:59:37.940 If it's not

00:59:38.540 Getting to

00:59:38.900 People

00:59:39.100 It's because

00:59:39.660 It's not

00:59:40.600 Because of

00:59:40.900 The IDF

00:59:41.380 No

00:59:43.160 And there's

00:59:43.720 A thousand

00:59:44.280 Trucks

00:59:44.800 Over a thousand

00:59:45.440 Trucks

00:59:45.800 Right now

00:59:46.960 As we speak

00:59:47.760 Sitting at

00:59:48.740 Four distribution

00:59:49.580 Centers

00:59:50.060 In Gaza

00:59:50.920 With food

00:59:51.920 And aid

00:59:52.320 On them

00:59:52.800 And the

00:59:53.260 United Nations

00:59:53.820 Refuses 0.99

00:59:54.460 To distribute

00:59:55.600 It

00:59:55.900 Chris

00:59:56.240 Yeah

00:59:56.860 Chris

00:59:57.240 It's

00:59:57.760 It's

00:59:58.840 It's weird

00:59:59.340 Like

00:59:59.640 We've got

01:00:00.620 People chanting

01:00:01.320 For ceasefire

01:00:02.840 Now

01:00:03.260 Living

01:00:04.640 Devoid

01:00:05.560 Of

01:00:05.900 Of the fact

01:00:06.960 That the

01:00:07.300 Last two

01:00:07.800 Ceasefires

01:00:08.360 Were turned

01:00:08.740 Down by

01:00:09.120 Hamas 0.96

01:00:09.520 In a

01:00:10.060 World

01:00:10.380 Where we

01:00:11.500 Can't

01:00:11.920 Agree on

01:00:12.560 The reality

01:00:14.080 In front

01:00:14.500 Of us

01:00:14.860 I don't

01:00:15.860 Know that

01:00:16.120 We should

01:00:16.380 Be making

01:00:16.700 Decisions

01:00:17.180 On

01:00:18.080 Recognizing

01:00:20.280 Statehood

01:00:20.920 No

01:00:21.980 We

01:00:22.320 We

01:00:22.560 Shouldn't

01:00:23.420 But

01:00:23.680 You know

01:00:24.380 That's how

01:00:25.200 We started

01:00:25.560 This conversation

01:00:26.280 Ben

01:00:26.600 It's

01:00:26.900 It's

01:00:27.240 This is

01:00:27.920 All about

01:00:28.340 Politics

01:00:28.780 This isn't

01:00:29.260 About right

01:00:29.680 Or wrong

01:00:30.100 This isn't

01:00:30.540 About you

01:00:30.960 Know

01:00:31.120 Future

01:00:31.880 Planning

01:00:32.400 On what

01:00:33.020 You know

01:00:33.420 What the

01:00:34.260 That region

01:00:35.220 Looks like

01:00:35.700 In the

01:00:35.900 Middle East

01:00:36.300 Moving

01:00:36.580 Forward

01:00:36.940 It's

01:00:37.680 Temporary

01:00:38.440 Politics

01:00:38.900 It's

01:00:39.320 It's

01:00:39.620 People

01:00:39.920 Shouting

01:00:40.360 Ceasefire

01:00:41.860 Now

01:00:42.220 But they

01:00:42.540 Don't

01:00:42.680 Have a

01:00:42.900 Clue

01:00:43.080 What that

01:00:43.440 Means

01:00:43.900 But

01:00:44.220 You know

01:00:45.780 It

01:00:46.040 Nobody

01:00:47.100 Nobody

01:00:47.540 That's

01:00:48.280 Protesting

01:00:48.780 This

01:00:48.980 Understands

01:00:49.700 What

01:00:49.900 Statehood

01:00:50.480 Means

01:00:50.720 For

01:00:50.880 Palestine

01:00:51.460 Right

01:00:51.760 They

01:00:52.160 They

01:00:52.180 They

01:00:52.200 They

01:00:52.220 They

01:00:52.240 Believe

01:00:52.760 They

01:00:52.960 Need

01:00:53.160 It

01:00:53.300 You know

01:00:53.860 They

01:00:54.340 Don't

01:00:54.520 Understand

01:00:54.940 That Hamas 1.00

01:00:55.660 Is 0.88

01:00:55.940 Withholding

01:00:56.740 Food

01:00:57.080 From

01:00:57.460 Those

01:00:58.380 In

01:00:58.620 You know

01:00:59.000 Those

01:00:59.160 Palestinians

01:00:59.680 Innocent

01:01:00.440 Palestinians

01:01:00.880 In Gaza

01:01:01.380 Who are

01:01:02.200 Suffering

01:01:02.700 Because

01:01:03.120 They don't

01:01:03.540 Care

01:01:03.880 It's

01:01:04.420 It's

01:01:04.440 Become

01:01:04.820 You know

01:01:05.240 That is

01:01:06.260 It is

01:01:06.640 Literally

01:01:06.980 A world

01:01:07.480 Away

01:01:07.780 From

01:01:08.040 Us

01:01:08.280 And yet

01:01:08.500 We

01:01:08.620 Pretend

01:01:08.960 We

01:01:09.100 Understand

01:01:09.480 What's

01:01:09.700 Going

01:01:09.840 On

01:01:10.040 There

01:01:10.220 Warren

01:01:11.420 I want

01:01:11.680 To spend

01:01:11.940 Some time

01:01:12.420 At the end

01:01:13.300 Here

01:01:13.440 Talking

01:01:13.800 About

01:01:14.120 I mean

01:01:14.700 This

01:01:15.520 Christian

01:01:16.060 Musician

01:01:16.720 Who I

01:01:17.200 Had

01:01:17.340 Never

01:01:17.660 Heard

01:01:17.960 Of

01:01:18.200 And

01:01:18.400 Whose

01:01:18.540 Music

01:01:18.840 I

01:01:19.000 Will

01:01:19.140 Never

01:01:19.520 Hear

01:01:19.940 Who

01:01:21.380 Is 0.88

01:01:21.740 Coming

01:01:22.320 On

01:01:22.500 A

01:01:22.720 I guess

01:01:23.200 A

01:01:23.340 Little

01:01:23.540 Tour

01:01:23.780 Of

01:01:23.940 Canada

01:01:24.300 And

01:01:25.160 It

01:01:25.460 Was

01:01:25.560 Going

01:01:25.700 On

01:01:25.880 A

01:01:26.260 Six

01:01:26.540 City

01:01:26.840 Tour

01:01:27.180 And

01:01:27.620 He

01:01:27.760 Had

01:01:27.900 To

01:01:28.020 All

01:01:28.880 Of

01:01:29.020 His

01:01:29.260 Venues

01:01:30.060 Were

01:01:30.240 Canceled

01:01:30.660 I guess

01:01:31.080 Because

01:01:31.340 People

01:01:31.640 Took

01:01:31.980 Issue

01:01:32.460 With

01:01:32.760 His

01:01:33.040 Religious

01:01:33.780 Perspective

01:01:34.960 His

01:01:35.160 Politics

01:01:35.740 His

01:01:36.340 Association

01:01:36.880 With

01:01:37.340 The

01:01:37.500 MAGA

01:01:37.820 Movement

01:01:38.240 I

01:01:39.620 Would

01:01:39.780 Like

01:01:40.040 This

01:01:40.300 Same

01:01:40.660 Sort

01:01:41.020 Of

01:01:41.200 Passion

01:01:41.700 Associated

01:01:43.600 With

01:01:43.880 You

01:01:44.460 Know

01:01:44.560 Those

01:01:44.820 Jew 0.97

01:01:46.860 Haters 0.88

01:01:47.280 That

01:01:47.500 We

01:01:47.620 Saw

01:01:47.960 In

01:01:48.160 Glastonbury

01:01:49.120 But

01:01:50.000 I

01:01:50.180 Guess

01:01:50.440 We're

01:01:50.620 Reserving

01:01:51.000 That

01:01:51.200 Exclusively

01:01:51.940 For

01:01:52.400 The

01:01:52.820 Religious

01:01:53.300 Right

01:01:53.660 In

01:01:53.860 The

01:01:53.940 United

01:01:54.120 States

01:01:54.520 Yeah

01:01:56.640 Well

01:01:56.920 As

01:01:57.240 You

01:01:57.380 Can

01:01:57.800 See

01:01:57.940 Anybody

01:01:58.160 Who's

01:01:58.360 Watching

01:01:58.760 Us

01:01:59.160 Online

01:01:59.680 Watching

01:02:00.400 Us

01:02:00.760 Visually

01:02:01.300 Can

01:02:01.900 See

01:02:02.240 What

01:02:02.480 My

01:02:02.740 Taste

01:02:03.100 In

01:02:03.260 Music

01:02:03.520 Is 0.88

01:02:03.760 Behind

01:02:04.060 Me

01:02:04.260 It's

01:02:04.420 Punk

01:02:04.680 Rock

01:02:04.940 And

01:02:05.100 Reggae

01:02:05.460 So

01:02:05.920 That's

01:02:06.200 The

01:02:06.400 Only

01:02:06.620 People

01:02:06.920 I

01:02:07.140 Believe

01:02:07.360 Should

01:02:10.040 But

01:02:10.860 I

01:02:11.040 Was

01:02:11.140 Like

01:02:11.280 You

01:02:11.400 I

01:02:11.500 Never

01:02:11.700 Heard

01:02:11.880 Of

01:02:11.980 This

01:02:12.140 Guy

01:02:12.300 Before

01:02:12.660 And

01:02:12.880 It's

01:02:13.000 Like

01:02:13.180 Well

01:02:13.340 What's

01:02:13.600 Good

01:02:13.780 For

01:02:13.920 The

01:02:14.020 Goose

01:02:14.280 Is 0.88

01:02:14.400 Good

01:02:14.520 For

01:02:14.660 The

01:02:14.760 Gander

01:02:15.020 If

01:02:15.220 You're

01:02:15.320 Not

01:02:15.460 Letting

01:02:15.700 This

01:02:15.900 Guy

01:02:16.060 Play

01:02:16.360 You

01:02:16.780 Can't

01:02:17.060 Let

01:02:17.240 Kneecap

01:02:17.760 And

01:02:17.940 Bob

01:02:18.160 Villain

01:02:18.480 Play

01:02:18.800 Either

01:02:19.160 We'll

01:02:19.640 See

01:02:19.800 How

01:02:19.940 That

01:02:20.120 Plays

01:02:20.420 Out

01:02:20.660 Yeah

01:02:20.860 And

01:02:21.080 That's

01:02:21.540 But

01:02:22.020 To

01:02:22.420 Be

01:02:22.540 Fair

01:02:22.680 I

01:02:40.040 When

01:02:40.300 It's

01:02:40.540 You

01:02:41.240 Know

01:02:41.360 A

01:02:41.720 Target

01:02:42.080 We

01:02:42.300 View

01:02:42.460 As

01:02:42.640 Easy

01:02:42.920 Then

01:02:43.120 It's

01:02:43.280 A

01:02:43.380 Knee

01:02:43.560 Jerk

01:02:43.760 Reaction

01:02:44.240 And

01:02:44.460 We

01:02:44.620 Pull

01:02:45.060 Out

01:02:45.180 A

01:02:45.260 Bazooka

01:02:45.700 To

01:02:45.820 Deal

01:02:45.940 With

01:02:46.080 The

01:02:46.180 Guy

01:02:46.400 Yeah

01:02:47.580 It's

01:02:48.220 Exactly

01:02:48.600 That

01:02:48.920 I

01:02:49.180 Unfortunately

01:02:50.620 Like

01:02:50.980 I

01:02:51.240 Do

01:02:51.720 Believe

01:02:52.080 That

01:02:52.420 It

01:02:52.580 Typically

01:02:53.200 Leans

01:02:53.800 You

01:02:54.220 Know

01:02:54.480 Right

01:02:55.520 Wing

01:02:55.960 When

01:02:56.220 We

01:02:56.360 Seem

01:02:56.580 To

01:02:56.740 Cancel

01:02:57.160 These

01:02:57.420 Folks

01:02:57.840 I

01:02:59.200 Never

01:02:59.680 See

01:03:00.120 Conservatives

01:03:00.780 Up

01:03:01.060 In

01:03:01.180 Arms

01:03:01.540 About

01:03:01.860 You 0.86

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kinsellacast - July 27, 2025

KINSELLACAST 372： Hunger, aid and politics with Lilley, Vuong, Sims, Mulroney and Chapin - plus Split System, Bad Dreems, Children Collide, Gyroscope

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