KINSELLACAST 373： Hateful words and deeds - with Lilley, Bray, Mulroney and more - plus Spiritual Cramp, Girls At Our Best, Cloud Nothings, Current Joys
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Summary
It's the summer solocast, and that means it's short, but still full of nutrition and interesting points of view from Brian Lilley, Evan Bray, Ben Maroney, and other folks. This week's guest is Nick Rattigan, former journalist, musician, and former lead singer of Surf Curse.
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It's the Kinsella Cast, starring Warren Kinsella.
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Welcome to the Kinsella Cast, the summertime Kinsella Cast, which means it's so much shorter,
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but still full of nutrition and interesting points of view.
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From Brian Lilley, Evan Bray, Ben Maroney, other folks, and some great music.
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I've got kind of punky stuff, Girls at Our Best from 1980.
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They were called Post Punk. I'm not sure they were.
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They started off as the Butterflies, in case they sound familiar to you.
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Then, Spiritual Cramp, who I love, who I've played before many times,
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from San Francisco, At My Funeral, from their new album, which is called Rude, I believe.
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Then we've got The Current Joys with their song, Kids, not to be confused with MGMT's Kids.
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And Surf Curse, I kind of turned off for a while,
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because they'd been accused of some abuse allegations by an anonymous woman online.
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I shouldn't have, because she withdrew her allegations.
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And then I've got Cloud Nothings, another great band.
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And the song I've got from them is Story That I Live.
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Someone really needs to reacquaint Benjamin Netanyahu with the 1988 Hamas Charter, quickly.
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And someone needs to show him Articles 10 and 30, which I know something about in their governing document.
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But the real one, the one that tells you what they are really like, is the 1988 Charter.
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And in it, they talk about using word and deed to wage jihad, which has come to mean holy war.
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The jihad is not confined to the carrying of arms and the confrontation of the enemy.
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The effect of a word, the good article, the useful book, support, and solidarity.
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All of these elements of the jihad are elements of the jihad for Allah's sake.
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Like what terror organizations like Hamas are telling everybody is that they wage war with words and images just as much as bombs and bullets.
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And implicitly, Hamas has always acknowledged that their desired genocide of Jews and infidels is a daunting military challenge.
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So in the information war, Hamas and its axis, which is Hezbollah and Iran and Qatar and Russia and China, are winning.
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Like you only have to cast your eye over the offerings on most news or social media or look at what's happening in the streets to see that's true.
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Netanyahu, Israel is losing the propaganda war and it's getting its ass kicked.
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He is propped up by a coalition of far-right religious extremists.
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And he adamantly refused to let anyone else speak for Israel in the West.
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And the majority, inside and outside of Israel, are weary of him.
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But Netanyahu, to be fair, can't fairly be blamed for all of the harm that has been done to Israel's reputation over the past few months.
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Like since the start of the war in late October 2023, Hamas' propagandists have completely dominated the news and information agenda.
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So when an IDF a tank, for example, moves through Gaza streets, Hamas typically sends out four guys.
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Two to attach explosives, let's say, to the side of the tank.
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And one to shoot broadcast quality propaganda footage.
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And like even with its leadership and its ranks decimated, Hamas and its axis still do not give up on propagandizing.
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Most median governments still, still rely upon the death figures of the Gaza Health Authority, which is literally an arm of Hamas.
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They do that despite the fact that those casualty figures have consistently been shown to be wrong.
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And despite the fact that the Health Authority does not distinguish between combatants and civilians.
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Hamas did not build a single bomb shelter for Palestinian children in its labyrinth of tunnels, which are as big as the London underground system.
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But it's more than willing to use children as propaganda campaign fodder.
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Like in May, for example, Hamas persuaded a senior United Nations official to state that 14,000 Gazan babies were going to die within 48 hours.
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But the UN's acknowledgement of their mistake came too late to offset the worldwide reputational damage that Israel took.
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Like from the earliest hours of the Hamas attack on October 7th, the terror axis was denying everything.
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The murders, the rapes, the mutilations, the torture, all of it.
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Bots and fake accounts pushed out denials of atrocities that were swiftly seen by tens of millions of people around the world before the war had even started.
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But on one front in the propaganda war in recent weeks, Hamas has recently scored its biggest victory.
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No one, Israel included, disputes that innocent Gazan civilians are desperately needing more food and water and aid.
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Like right now, there's more than a thousand trucks containing aid that are sitting idle at four different distribution centers in the Gaza Strip.
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Israel and the United States have paid for that food and aid.
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But the United Nations actually refuses to help distribute it.
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And Hamas keeps trying to steal it, as everybody knows.
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But you wouldn't know that by looking at the headlines or Instagram.
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So Hamas scored its biggest propaganda victory on Monday morning when the U.S. president recklessly blamed Israel for most of the famine crisis.
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Like in total, guys, Israel is losing the propaganda war.
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And if Israel does not take corrective action soon, the damage will be permanent.
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You're not looking forward and you are not looking back.
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You've lost the warranty or never get your money back.
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My baby's buying me another life getting nowhere fast.
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My baby's buying me another life getting nowhere fast.
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My baby's buying me another life getting nowhere fast.
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We're not looking forward and we are not looking back.
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We've lost the warranty or never get our money back.
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My baby's buying me another life getting nowhere fast.
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Brian's been writing about it pretty much alone amongst the journalistic pact.
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um no trade deal the mark carney bet big on a trade deal with donald trump
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and he's come up with bupkis so brian and what happened i i i don't know what happened which is
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the sad part you know i've got some insight into why things aren't going our way but
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go back two months and we were at the you know what what was the term that was given to me
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a deal is imminent yep that that was end of may beginning of june um we were going to have a
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uh you know a very broad strokes high level deal hammered out with the americans before
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cananaskis things went sideways even at cananaskis trump was asked um you know is a trade deal
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possible soon and said yeah both sides can agree you know so the white house was saying it was
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possible the ambassador the hoaxer was saying it was possible carney's pmo after i started reporting
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that a deal was close started leaking to every journalist in ottawa that a deal was close
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so you know it's it's not like this came from my warped fever mind or you know just some republican
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source i had liberals republicans uh federal provincial folks all saying yeah it feels really
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close and then it fell apart uh and you and you and i have talked before about how you know carney's
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got the wrong team in but i'm wondering if i was wrong about something big and the whole country was
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wrong about something big what's that um fighting back with the counter tariffs you know i said at the
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time well we have to we can't be weak trump respects strength uh claudia scheinbaum in mexico did not
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hit back with counter tariffs she has a deal extension she's the only one that's got a deal extension
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uh i believe and um because they are getting close to a deal she has taken a very different stance than
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carney um and i know your position is how can you negotiate with a lunatic and all of that but
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other countries got deals and we didn't and at a certain point uh if you're constantly the one
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having trouble getting deals maybe you're the problem and i say that in the context of everyone
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saying let's expand our trade everywhere we go things like supply management are an issue we don't
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have a deal with the uk because we refuse to allow them to continually exporting the same amount of
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cheddar cheese that they were exporting when they were part of the eu deal you know so it's okay well
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then that points to another problem which is a problem at the top you know i i opined on x this week
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you know carney obviously is pretty good at finance you know he's made himself into a multi-millionaire
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and he's been on a hundred different boards but at this international affairs stuff certainly as we've
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seen with trying to hammer out a tariffs deal a trade deal i'm starting to wonder whether this is a
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yeah um he put a person just like him a very wonkish person and mark carney can be very charming um
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when you're uh in a room with him he he can have a bit of charm you know awkward charm kind of like
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your old boss dalton mcginty but not quite as much and uh but he's not the salesman guy he's not
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he's not the back slapper uh you know we've seen what he's been like when he's been with trump both
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when he went to the white house and in can and ask us oh my goodness slavish in his praise um buttering
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up like there's no tomorrow yeah he's i've been complimentary on the domestic stuff critical
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on international whether it's the trade deal or you know his decision to just completely redesign
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uh more than 50 years of canadian foreign policy on a whim with an announcement by himself on an issue
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that parliament recently voted on so let's talk about that then uh you raise um this i mean this comes
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up this problem now has come up this week with this extraordinary in my opinion appalling and
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disgusting recognition of a state in quotation marks run by a designated terrorist entity um
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like it is there any upside that you and i are missing is there any possible upside
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in carney standing there and solemnly recognizing the state run by hamas
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uh no now he says hamas can have no part of this in the future okay well israel's been saying that
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with at the end of a pointed gun uh since shortly after october 7th and hamas has not gone anywhere
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so mark carney's declaration from uh parliament hill in ottawa is not going to change anything neither
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is the fact that mahmud abbas the democratically elected leader of the palestinian authority which
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controls the west bank is in his 20th year of a four-year term but don't worry he promised mark
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carney next year he'll have elections after the um uh after the declaration that we recognize a
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palestinian state this september he'll hold elections after that sure he's made that he's made the promise
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of elections before um and and so there's all the moral problems with this there's all the practical
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problems with this and then i'm not saying this is why we uh didn't get a trade deal with the u.s but
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whatever you think of trump one of his singular focus in the middle east is stop the war get the
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hostages released well his envoy steve whitkoff was in doha with the egyptians with the qataris with
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israelis with israelis with hamas and then july 21st comes along and canada signs on to a declaration
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with the uh with 25 other countries that just denounces israel and puts no blame on hamas
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the next day i think it was within 48 hours at least hamas walked away they saw we've got all the
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support we don't need to negotiate the qataris were saying hamas is not bargaining in good faith
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uh whitkoff was saying so then we get this um this declaration that we will recognize them in
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september along with britain and along with france this is all within the week and now hamas
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has said they're not even going back to the table solve the hunger crisis in gaza and uh then
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we'll come back to the table well solving the hunger crisis in gaza means making sure that hamas
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isn't stealing all the food which they are yeah and meanwhile the new york times uh as far as i know
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hasn't featured any of the emaciated uh hostages uh on their front page in the way that they did
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that that that one is abhorrent uh you know we can all make mistakes in journalism and we all do
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but they put a child on the front page claimed that this child was in the condition it was because
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they're starving in gaza no it's a child with a very severe health problem that has nothing to do with
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food lack thereof or anything to do with food um they lied and they used a very powerful image to do
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it no it was shocking and appalling and truly representative of what's been happening in the
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media and in recent days i was going to talk to you about the trump firing the statistician but i don't
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think i need to because i think everybody agrees you know you shouldn't do something like that when you
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get a bad jobs report but the the financial indicators uh for both canada and the united states
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um there's some warning signs there uh recently what do you think what do you think the next few
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months hold for us now try you know carney has come up with nothing on a trade deal he's got nothing
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as you pointed out with respect to the europeans he's going to start showing putting some points on
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the board doesn't he well as he pointed out during the election campaign our economy was weak
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before donald trump and it remains weak and this is a problem and so what's he going to do about it
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well you know i i know that now they're saying oh don't worry these extra terrorists don't need much
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we've still got the sacral terrorists on steel and it's going to mean higher unemployment around mill
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towns like hamilton sault st marie uh edmonton regina go down the list that was just down in
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fredrickton last week they got a steel fabricator york steel all these places are being had the
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aluminum uh guys in quebec uh you know we're headed towards winter uh anyone buying canned food it's
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going to cost more you know the other terrorists are still in place lana paine from uniform was out
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there saying don't downplay this and you know she's the head of my union and i often don't agree with
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her but she's right on this we we can't downplay this as nothing there are people whose jobs are on
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the line and if you're part of the laptop class you're not going to feel this for a while if you're
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retired you're not feeling it in the same way um and so that allows people to say well let's just get
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them back harder i actually disagree with doug ford completely on this at the moment um a few months
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ago i would have agreed with them now let's get down to negotiating properly that doesn't mean
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capitulation that means get a deal that it's good for canada that protects our workers and and if
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we're going to say that we're going to diversify our way out of this well then we've got to be serious
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about trade with other countries too if we can't get a trade deal with britain you know how how well
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are things going to go with other countries sorry a motorcycle just went by me well i just want to
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conclude with that final point you made which i love which is the laptop class the biking class
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scored a big victory in the past few days and you've been writing about it um maybe you can tell
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us a little bit about what happened and why uh an activist lawyer who was appointed by david lemany
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to be an activist judge invented the charter right to bike lanes and utterly bizarre decision
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that i think has to be overturned and for me it's not about bike lanes whether you like them or dislike
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them it's about judges not overstepping their bounds uh this is a decision the provincial government
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made they ran an election on it and then suddenly there's this right to a bike lane that doesn't
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actually exist in the charter but you know this is really about justice paul shabbos who um to tell
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you the type of activist uh he is big donor to new democrats and liberals um mostly new democrats
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provincially and federally uh champagne socialist lives in a very nice part of town and when he was
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the head of the law society of upper canada he first off changed the name to law society of ontario
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uh because he doesn't like history but then he decided that all lawyers had to sign on to this
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statement of belief which many felt was compelled speech and it was so disliked by lawyers that there
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was a revolt of what's called the benchers the people who run the law society and they elected a
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brand new slate and they got rid of shabbos's uh ideas as soon as he was gone um yeah i i've heard from
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judges crowns uh defense lawyers they're all laughing at this decision and they say this is
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a horrible decision that needs to be overturned whether it will be i i don't know and again it's
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not about bike lanes and by the way the ford government's bike lane plan was we're going to
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take them off of certain roads and we'll put them on others but they don't make sense where they are
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because they are causing major uh traffic congestion problems and it's not up to a judge
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to decide that based on the charter you can cause traffic problems and nobody can do anything about
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it no i don't i don't think pierre trudeau and jean creche and all the premiers sitting around
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negotiating the charter had this in mind yeah this this is what the notwithstanding clause is there
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for judges don't want it used don't don't overstep judicial bounds and decide that no parliament's not
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supreme you are i apologize for more cyclists motorcyclists going by yeah no i a first year law school a long
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time ago for me but i don't recall a constitutional provision for uh the right to bike lanes i don't
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i don't think that's in there so i think you're on the right track with this one um i think you're
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on the right track with all of this stuff brian lily thank you so much sir and uh have a great day
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he's always talking too much he's too loud he's always calling my phone and i never know what he's talking about
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mr rick acting like a big dick mr roe picks up all his bits i'm having none of it
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at my funeral nobody came everybody knew my shit was lame at my funeral no one even cried no one even showed up
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at my funeral no one even cried at my funeral no one even cried at my funeral nobody came they had plans
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couldn't remember my name at my funeral nobody cried something came up so maybe next time at my funeral nobody came everybody knew my shit was lame
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at my funeral no one even cried no one even showed up cuz i'm a bad guy at my funeral
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Even if we don't agree with how they use those rights
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You know, the freedom of speech is only as good
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Our streets and our universities being taken over
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By some people spouting some pretty vile things
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And the police seemingly willing to just let it go
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And yet one guy comes here from the United States
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And he possibly didn't fall on the right side of the pandemic
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But like, you know, now we're all talking about him
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And like, you know, just putting on my lawyer's hat
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You know, they basically pulled the plug on his events
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And then, you know, the one lesson I've learned about rock and roll
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It made us look like we're an intolerant little country
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But they come down like a sledgehammer on this guy
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And those people are as Canadian as you are
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We're seeing decisions that raise real concerns
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I never would have said that I came about in my own
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it is friday and it's not just any friday it's friday of the saskatchewan day long weekend
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and of course uh we've been talking about the exhibitions are in full swing in both saskatoon
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and regina the fringe festival also going on in saskatoon hearing lots of great things about
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allison kraus and union station put on a heck of a show last night in saskatoon the wreck laws in
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regina so anyone that took that in will be enjoying it living skies come alive in the
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moosman regional park this weekend i was talking about that a little bit earlier on the morning
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show that's an exciting one too for people that love fireworks great fireworks competition and
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a whole lot more going on there so yeah saskatchewan day long weekend almost here
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and to get us there we've got a great show planned for you today we talk lots about the relationship
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between canada and the united states as if before trump was in power it was perfect well that's
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not the case in fact our friend ralph nirenberger former u.s foreign relations expert joins us this
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morning to remind us of a very rocky point in our history quite a while back that set the course for
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both countries of where we're at today 35 tariffs officially here in fact trump didn't even wait
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to flip the page on the calendar you know the deadline was today august 1st well he did it last
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night um basically that was his move in the chess game i guess now it's our move what do you say
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open lines are coming up what should canada do in response many people saying absolutely nothing
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continue to work quietly at getting a trade deal others like doug ford the premier of ontario putting
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boxing gloves on and saying okay it's on we'll get your thoughts on that of course friday means
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bugs and hugs at 10 o'clock it's eaten time with belton johnson at 11 and rider game tomorrow in
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montreal green and white prognostications coming up today at noon all right let's get going friday
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morning here's the big talker let's get out of business shall we welcome let's begin the evan
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bray show the big talker well here we are canada once again staring down the barrel of more trade
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tensions with the united states 35 tariffs uh hit last night now we know anything that is kuzma compliant
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is exempt from that and i've heard different numbers i've heard some as much as 90 percent of
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canadian exports to these states are kuzma compliant and i've heard numbers that are down
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around the 70 percent mark regardless if you've got kuzma compliance so that free trade agreement if you
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follow all of the mandated must-have regulations in there then you're going to be good and free
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and exempt but we know there's lots of industries the auto industry is being impacted by this the steel
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and aluminum tariff softwood lumber there's lots of industries that are impacted by this and then in
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the middle of all of this wednesday prime minister carney decides to talk about a palestinian state
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which some people say might have even derailed those trade talks a little bit more here to break
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this down for us someone that we always enjoy having on the program warren kinsella who is a
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multi-layered professional he's a lawyer he's an author he's a journalist he's a political columnist
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commentator strategist and consultant and he joins us on the line this morning just ahead of the long
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weekend welcome warren what's your favorite way to enjoy the canadian summer uh no i i kind of keep
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going um i'm not i'm one of those weird people who doesn't like to take big long holidays or you know
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golfing or whatever so if i'm still plugging away i actually that's how i keep saying my when i used to
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work for uh mr pretzel we talked about it he's 91 and um i said you know why don't you ever retire
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and he said uh everybody i know when they retire they drop dead so i'm not going to retire i'm
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going to keep going grab an ice cream cone on the road fair enough fair enough okay i want to talk
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about i read your opinion piece from the toronto sun so let's start there the announcement wednesday
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prime minister mark carney that canada plans to recognize a palestinian state at the un assembly this
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fall of course there's some conditions that need to be met that you and i both know are never in a
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million years going to be met just give me your thoughts on the announcement um it was disgraceful
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i wasn't shocked because you know when france did it and then the united kingdom it seemed like a
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certainty that canada would as well uh but it was it's a grave mistake and it's a grave mistake in my
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opinion and a lot of people because gaza is an entity it's a strip of land governed by a designated
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terrorist group it's it designated as a terrorist group in canada since 2002 we and they're the people
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who run gaza and we've said we're going to recognize them like it's just extraordinary that
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this country this government is willing to recognize a state run by terrorists like that's
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just something that you shouldn't never do and and it had an immediate effect you know after france
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britain and canada did what they did hamas pulled out of the ceasefire talks that were taking place with
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the saudis qatar and israel and they've disappeared ever since and you know from their perspective who can
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blame them it's like hey look guys we get a recognized state by doing nothing and continuing
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to kill israelis um so it's it's logical that this would happen and it's deplorable that canada made
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this decision in some of the follow-up interviews that i watched ottawa different people from from
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ottawa said that they feel that canada has a bigger role to play in the situation in the middle east
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do we really no i don't think so you know really i mean in the years past we had uh prime minister
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pearson you know getting the nobel prize for the sewage crisis helping to solve that and brian
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maloney courageously fighting apartheid in the 80s you know kretzian saying no in iraq i think those
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were the last big moments we had we we haven't really distinguished ourselves either militarily or
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diplomatically on the international stage and i think this is why uh in part um you you've got
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donald trump um saying the terrible things that he's been saying about us and you know aspiring to
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make us a 51st state um because we just don't have the clout that we once did i i don't know if
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carney did what he did in order to you know get some gravitas get some clout um but you know this is
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the wrong way to go about it recognizing a state run by terrorists warren kinsella is our guest
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political columnist commentator strategist consultant i actually questioned the timing
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even with regard to our relationship with the states that tariff deadline do you think that
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made any difference and and was that maybe part of the strategy potentially from the federal government
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well if it was it was a bad strategy because the immediate response from the president was
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this is going to create problems for doing a tariff deal with canada and you know that may be bs that
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may be an excuse who knows with donald trump but it is in fact what's happened we are the only g7
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country now that doesn't have some kind of a tariff deal with the united states and last night trump up the
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you know the tariff facing non-us mca goods and services so like we're in an even worse position we were
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before is it because of our palestine carney's palestine decision who knows but it you know all
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around it's a bad look and it gives trump another you know gives them another stick to beat us with
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warren kinsella is my guest you sent out a note on social media yesterday that i want to talk to you
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about you said mark carney may be good at the money stuff but international affairs is emerging as a clear
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and undeniable area of weakness what prompted that well it was this palestine decision uh for one uh
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but also the the tariffs thing you know i remember the prime minister saying at the end of march before
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the election and you know it was that historic statement that was heard around the world our old
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relationship with the united states of america militarily and economically is over remember when he said
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that sure do final week of march and a lot of people leave that and they took them at at face
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value and then we found out through my colleague brian milley at post media that there were secret
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secret negotiations going on for a new free trade deal with the united states and it's like okay well
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you've kind of reversed yourself there but you know when he confirmed that when he said yes we are doing
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that dominic leblanc and our ambassador to the united states leading the charge you know it raised an
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expectation that we actually would get a deal well now as of last night as of 12 hours ago uh not only
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do we not have a deal with the united states we're facing even more tariffs than we were before is there
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anything warren do you think that canada could have done you talked earlier about the unpredictability of
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donald trump is there anything canada could have done to prevent what happened last night with the
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escalation to 35 that's a good question i don't know the answer to it the one thing i do know
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with trump twofold you know in full disclosure as you know i've can campaign against him you know going
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back a decade you know volunteering for the democrats is um you got to pay attention to what he does not
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what he says and and the thing i learned from kretzian is don't raise expectations that you can't satisfy
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you know undersell and overperform and i think a big mistake that the carny guys made on the
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terrace front is they raised an expectation that we would have a deal you know the prime minister said
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that quite a few times he said believe we're going to get a deal and i think a lot of canadians said
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okay well you know uh this is what we elected this guy to do uh we think that he's going to be able
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to pull it off well not only have they not pulled it off we're in a worse situation than we were before
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i feel like the prime minister has been actually trying to uh somehow mitigate what the expectations
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are saying it's it's unlikely we're going to get a deal that's completely tariff free what do you think
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the strategy should be going forward today's august 1st 35 uh escalation in tariffs comes on today
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what's the strategy well my you know what i if they if i've been giving them advice um and i
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definitely am not i you know i would have said look guys what is the point of devoting ourselves
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to trying to get a new trade deal this is the same president um who's abrogated the trade deal that's
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in place right now the usmca was signed by donald trump and he's torn it up so why why spend all this
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time and energy and resources trying to get a new deal when he can wake up tomorrow morning and fire
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off a note on truth social and saying he's tearing it up again like he you know he as we've all seen
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he just makes stuff up the latest being fentanyl again but we've heard it's dairy we've heard it's
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it's uh potash we've heard it's banking um you know now we're back to fentanyl he just concocts
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whatever excuse he wants to get out of the deal and uh you know which then just raises the question
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well what's the point of trying to get a new deal with him when he breaks his word all the time
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just about out of time uh warren kinsella is my guest is supply management in the sites
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for change in canada anytime soon yeah the president did issue a statement on his truth
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social a few weeks ago where he complained about dairy and our agricultural practices and it sounds
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like he is uh does have um supply management in his sites um obviously as you know better than me
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there's a lot of division within the country uh about that a lot of conservatives are against it
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i mean that's a andrew sheer won the conservative leadership by being for it and maxine bernier
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kicked out for being against it so you know what's going to happen i don't know what decisions we make i
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don't know but again it's another problem for carney because at the end of june there was a vote in
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the house of commons all the parties agreed we should not touch supply management and now you know
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you've got donald trump coming to us coming after us on that issue as well uh who knows how it's going
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to end up but as i say right now the prime minister is not looking very good in his handling of
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international affairs last question for you warren before we let you go mark carney's been making his
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way across canada talking on a variety of things even here in saskatchewan we're hearing our premier
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scott mo um saying you know what i like what i hear from this leader when is the honeymoon over
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when does the rubber hit the road and expectations that we start to see movement on some of these
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promises well to be fair to him to give him some credit you know it's obvious he's a progressive
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conservative and that's what the country i think wanted um and you know he benefited from some of the
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weaknesses that poliev had so but again you know he he raised expectations before and during the
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election that he's not satisfying you know we thought we would be protected by now you know this
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guy got elected mainly because we believed that he would be able to handle trump and the early signs
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were he could well now we're in a worse position than any major country in the world so i i think the
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chickens are coming home to roost uh supply management or not i think that uh donald trump's
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going to create a lot of problems for mark carney in the coming weeks always appreciate you joining