kinsellacast - August 02, 2025


KINSELLACAST 373： Hateful words and deeds - with Lilley, Bray, Mulroney and more - plus Spiritual Cramp, Girls At Our Best, Cloud Nothings, Current Joys


Episode Stats

Length

56 minutes

Words per Minute

145.69563

Word Count

8,303

Sentence Count

127

Misogynist Sentences

4

Hate Speech Sentences

22


Summary


Transcript

00:00:00.000 It's the Kinsella Cast, starring Warren Kinsella.
00:00:17.720 Hey, it's Warren.
00:00:18.960 Welcome to the Kinsella Cast, the summertime Kinsella Cast, which means it's so much shorter,
00:00:23.060 but still full of nutrition and interesting points of view.
00:00:26.940 From Brian Lilley, Evan Bray, Ben Maroney, other folks, and some great music.
00:00:33.000 I've got kind of punky stuff, Girls at Our Best from 1980.
00:00:37.520 They were called Post Punk. I'm not sure they were.
00:00:40.100 They were from Leeds, though.
00:00:41.980 And their song, Getting Nowhere Fast.
00:00:45.900 They started off as the Butterflies, in case they sound familiar to you.
00:00:49.980 Then, Spiritual Cramp, who I love, who I've played before many times,
00:00:53.880 from San Francisco, At My Funeral, from their new album, which is called Rude, I believe.
00:01:01.880 Then we've got The Current Joys with their song, Kids, not to be confused with MGMT's Kids.
00:01:08.400 And that's Nick Rattigan.
00:01:09.800 So he's a former journalist.
00:01:11.660 He's a musician.
00:01:13.400 Former lead singer of Surf Curse.
00:01:15.260 And Surf Curse, I kind of turned off for a while,
00:01:19.860 because they'd been accused of some abuse allegations by an anonymous woman online.
00:01:27.280 And perhaps rashly, I believed her.
00:01:32.360 I shouldn't have, because she withdrew her allegations.
00:01:35.200 But it certainly hit Surf Curse for a while.
00:01:38.240 And then I've got Cloud Nothings, another great band.
00:01:41.080 I believe I've played it before.
00:01:43.920 And the song I've got from them is Story That I Live.
00:01:50.780 And a really good band.
00:01:52.880 Three-piece from the States.
00:01:55.820 Someone really needs to reacquaint Benjamin Netanyahu with the 1988 Hamas Charter, quickly.
00:02:02.980 So let me help him out.
00:02:03.980 And someone needs to show him Articles 10 and 30, which I know something about in their governing document.
00:02:11.300 They have two charters.
00:02:12.220 They have the one that's kinder, gentler.
00:02:14.000 But the real one, the one that tells you what they are really like, is the 1988 Charter.
00:02:19.720 And in it, they talk about using word and deed to wage jihad, which has come to mean holy war.
00:02:26.720 But Article 30 is super specific.
00:02:29.440 The jihad is not confined to the carrying of arms and the confrontation of the enemy.
00:02:34.540 The effect of a word, the good article, the useful book, support, and solidarity.
00:02:38.400 All of these elements of the jihad are elements of the jihad for Allah's sake.
00:02:45.020 End quote.
00:02:45.700 In other words, propaganda.
00:02:47.380 Like what terror organizations like Hamas are telling everybody is that they wage war with words and images just as much as bombs and bullets.
00:02:55.940 And implicitly, Hamas has always acknowledged that their desired genocide of Jews and infidels is a daunting military challenge.
00:03:04.960 But propaganda is their real forte.
00:03:08.180 Like at that, they excel.
00:03:10.140 So in the information war, Hamas and its axis, which is Hezbollah and Iran and Qatar and Russia and China, are winning.
00:03:17.560 Like you only have to cast your eye over the offerings on most news or social media or look at what's happening in the streets to see that's true.
00:03:24.560 Netanyahu, Israel is losing the propaganda war and it's getting its ass kicked.
00:03:29.340 Netanyahu is a big part of the reason.
00:03:31.200 I do not like him.
00:03:32.480 I want him gone.
00:03:34.580 He is propped up by a coalition of far-right religious extremists.
00:03:39.520 And he adamantly refused to let anyone else speak for Israel in the West.
00:03:44.840 He's been in power for too long.
00:03:46.640 And the majority, inside and outside of Israel, are weary of him.
00:03:50.020 But Netanyahu, to be fair, can't fairly be blamed for all of the harm that has been done to Israel's reputation over the past few months.
00:04:00.600 Hamas is the main author of that.
00:04:02.840 Like since the start of the war in late October 2023, Hamas' propagandists have completely dominated the news and information agenda.
00:04:11.280 So when an IDF a tank, for example, moves through Gaza streets, Hamas typically sends out four guys.
00:04:18.560 Two to attach explosives, let's say, to the side of the tank.
00:04:22.080 One to guard the getaway.
00:04:23.860 And one to shoot broadcast quality propaganda footage.
00:04:28.100 And like even with its leadership and its ranks decimated, Hamas and its axis still do not give up on propagandizing.
00:04:36.760 Like look at the evidence.
00:04:38.220 Casualties, for example.
00:04:39.300 Most median governments still, still rely upon the death figures of the Gaza Health Authority, which is literally an arm of Hamas.
00:04:48.480 They do that despite the fact that those casualty figures have consistently been shown to be wrong.
00:04:54.520 And despite the fact that the Health Authority does not distinguish between combatants and civilians.
00:04:59.880 So that's a PR victory for Hamas.
00:05:02.480 Children.
00:05:02.920 Hamas did not build a single bomb shelter for Palestinian children in its labyrinth of tunnels, which are as big as the London underground system.
00:05:13.060 Not one.
00:05:14.340 But it's more than willing to use children as propaganda campaign fodder.
00:05:19.240 Like in May, for example, Hamas persuaded a senior United Nations official to state that 14,000 Gazan babies were going to die within 48 hours.
00:05:30.200 Quote unquote.
00:05:31.260 It was complete bullshit.
00:05:33.720 But the UN's acknowledgement of their mistake came too late to offset the worldwide reputational damage that Israel took.
00:05:41.360 Another Hamas PR win.
00:05:43.620 Denial.
00:05:44.880 Like from the earliest hours of the Hamas attack on October 7th, the terror axis was denying everything.
00:05:51.560 The murders, the rapes, the mutilations, the torture, all of it.
00:05:55.800 Bots and fake accounts pushed out denials of atrocities that were swiftly seen by tens of millions of people around the world before the war had even started.
00:06:05.960 It's another Hamas win.
00:06:07.420 But on one front in the propaganda war in recent weeks, Hamas has recently scored its biggest victory.
00:06:15.480 And that is the Gaza famine story.
00:06:17.340 No one, Israel included, disputes that innocent Gazan civilians are desperately needing more food and water and aid.
00:06:26.320 Like there's no debate about that.
00:06:28.960 What is debated is who is to blame.
00:06:30.980 Like right now, there's more than a thousand trucks containing aid that are sitting idle at four different distribution centers in the Gaza Strip.
00:06:39.620 Israel and the United States have paid for that food and aid.
00:06:43.300 But the United Nations actually refuses to help distribute it.
00:06:47.640 They refuse.
00:06:48.800 And Hamas keeps trying to steal it, as everybody knows.
00:06:51.680 But you wouldn't know that by looking at the headlines or Instagram.
00:06:55.660 So Hamas scored its biggest propaganda victory on Monday morning when the U.S. president recklessly blamed Israel for most of the famine crisis.
00:07:05.900 And Hamas won again.
00:07:07.500 Like in total, guys, Israel is losing the propaganda war.
00:07:12.500 It needs to tell its story better.
00:07:14.460 And it needs a better storyteller.
00:07:16.680 Time is running out.
00:07:18.300 And if Israel does not take corrective action soon, the damage will be permanent.
00:07:25.660 You're not looking forward and you are not looking back.
00:07:48.040 You've lost the warranty or never get your money back.
00:07:51.300 My baby's buying me another life getting nowhere fast.
00:07:55.660 I am pretty smart.
00:08:03.280 I don't do what they want me to.
00:08:05.200 I don't an order you.
00:08:06.620 That's what a general copy do.
00:08:08.320 My baby's buying me another life getting nowhere fast.
00:08:12.360 It makes you feel good.
00:08:26.700 You've answered all the questions right.
00:08:28.900 He's won a holiday.
00:08:30.400 That'll help you see tonight.
00:08:31.940 My baby's buying me another life getting nowhere fast.
00:08:35.940 We're not looking forward and we are not looking back.
00:08:56.180 We've lost the warranty or never get our money back.
00:08:59.520 My baby's buying me another life getting nowhere fast.
00:09:03.560 My baby's buying me another life.
00:09:09.140 We'll be right back.
00:09:21.960 We're back.
00:09:22.500 We're back with our friend Brian Lillian.
00:09:23.940 Brian predicted this.
00:09:26.260 Brian said this would happen.
00:09:28.480 Brian's been writing about it pretty much alone amongst the journalistic pact.
00:09:33.060 um no trade deal the mark carney bet big on a trade deal with donald trump
00:09:40.020 and he's come up with bupkis so brian and what happened i i i don't know what happened which is
00:09:47.580 the sad part you know i've got some insight into why things aren't going our way but
00:09:52.440 go back two months and we were at the you know what what was the term that was given to me
00:10:00.560 a deal is imminent yep that that was end of may beginning of june um we were going to have a
00:10:07.680 uh you know a very broad strokes high level deal hammered out with the americans before
00:10:13.600 cananaskis things went sideways even at cananaskis trump was asked um you know is a trade deal
00:10:20.600 possible soon and said yeah both sides can agree you know so the white house was saying it was
00:10:25.500 possible the ambassador the hoaxer was saying it was possible carney's pmo after i started reporting
00:10:32.580 that a deal was close started leaking to every journalist in ottawa that a deal was close
00:10:36.980 so you know it's it's not like this came from my warped fever mind or you know just some republican
00:10:46.680 source i had liberals republicans uh federal provincial folks all saying yeah it feels really
00:10:53.000 close and then it fell apart uh and you and you and i have talked before about how you know carney's
00:10:58.140 got the wrong team in but i'm wondering if i was wrong about something big and the whole country was
00:11:04.440 wrong about something big what's that um fighting back with the counter tariffs you know i said at the
00:11:11.180 time well we have to we can't be weak trump respects strength uh claudia scheinbaum in mexico did not
00:11:17.980 hit back with counter tariffs she has a deal extension she's the only one that's got a deal extension
00:11:25.040 uh i believe and um because they are getting close to a deal she has taken a very different stance than
00:11:34.240 carney um and i know your position is how can you negotiate with a lunatic and all of that but
00:11:41.000 other countries got deals and we didn't and at a certain point uh if you're constantly the one
00:11:49.640 having trouble getting deals maybe you're the problem and i say that in the context of everyone
00:11:54.780 saying let's expand our trade everywhere we go things like supply management are an issue we don't
00:12:00.660 have a deal with the uk because we refuse to allow them to continually exporting the same amount of
00:12:06.800 cheddar cheese that they were exporting when they were part of the eu deal you know so it's okay well
00:12:14.260 then that points to another problem which is a problem at the top you know i i opined on x this week
00:12:22.100 you know carney obviously is pretty good at finance you know he's made himself into a multi-millionaire
00:12:27.900 and he's been on a hundred different boards but at this international affairs stuff certainly as we've
00:12:34.960 seen with trying to hammer out a tariffs deal a trade deal i'm starting to wonder whether this is a
00:12:41.820 a glaring weakness of our new prime minister
00:12:44.220 yeah um he put a person just like him a very wonkish person and mark carney can be very charming um
00:12:54.820 when you're uh in a room with him he he can have a bit of charm you know awkward charm kind of like
00:13:02.240 your old boss dalton mcginty but not quite as much and uh but he's not the salesman guy he's not
00:13:10.140 he's not the back slapper uh you know we've seen what he's been like when he's been with trump both
00:13:16.360 when he went to the white house and in can and ask us oh my goodness slavish in his praise um buttering
00:13:23.600 up like there's no tomorrow yeah he's i've been complimentary on the domestic stuff critical
00:13:30.860 on international whether it's the trade deal or you know his decision to just completely redesign
00:13:37.800 uh more than 50 years of canadian foreign policy on a whim with an announcement by himself on an issue
00:13:45.640 that parliament recently voted on so let's talk about that then uh you raise um this i mean this comes
00:13:53.300 up this problem now has come up this week with this extraordinary in my opinion appalling and
00:13:58.660 disgusting recognition of a state in quotation marks run by a designated terrorist entity um
00:14:06.160 like it is there any upside that you and i are missing is there any possible upside
00:14:12.500 in carney standing there and solemnly recognizing the state run by hamas
00:14:18.640 uh no now he says hamas can have no part of this in the future okay well israel's been saying that
00:14:26.120 with at the end of a pointed gun uh since shortly after october 7th and hamas has not gone anywhere
00:14:35.300 so mark carney's declaration from uh parliament hill in ottawa is not going to change anything neither
00:14:41.720 is the fact that mahmud abbas the democratically elected leader of the palestinian authority which
00:14:48.440 controls the west bank is in his 20th year of a four-year term but don't worry he promised mark
00:14:54.100 carney next year he'll have elections after the um uh after the declaration that we recognize a
00:15:02.680 palestinian state this september he'll hold elections after that sure he's made that he's made the promise
00:15:09.100 of elections before um and and so there's all the moral problems with this there's all the practical
00:15:16.340 problems with this and then i'm not saying this is why we uh didn't get a trade deal with the u.s but
00:15:23.140 whatever you think of trump one of his singular focus in the middle east is stop the war get the
00:15:29.540 hostages released well his envoy steve whitkoff was in doha with the egyptians with the qataris with
00:15:37.400 israelis with israelis with hamas and then july 21st comes along and canada signs on to a declaration
00:15:44.900 with the uh with 25 other countries that just denounces israel and puts no blame on hamas
00:15:53.000 the next day i think it was within 48 hours at least hamas walked away they saw we've got all the
00:16:01.920 support we don't need to negotiate the qataris were saying hamas is not bargaining in good faith
00:16:06.620 uh whitkoff was saying so then we get this um this declaration that we will recognize them in
00:16:16.460 september along with britain and along with france this is all within the week and now hamas
00:16:21.520 has said they're not even going back to the table solve the hunger crisis in gaza and uh then
00:16:30.600 we'll come back to the table well solving the hunger crisis in gaza means making sure that hamas
00:16:35.940 isn't stealing all the food which they are yeah and meanwhile the new york times uh as far as i know
00:16:42.760 hasn't featured any of the emaciated uh hostages uh on their front page in the way that they did
00:16:50.240 that that that one is abhorrent uh you know we can all make mistakes in journalism and we all do
00:16:59.220 but they put a child on the front page claimed that this child was in the condition it was because
00:17:04.500 they're starving in gaza no it's a child with a very severe health problem that has nothing to do with
00:17:11.840 food lack thereof or anything to do with food um they lied and they used a very powerful image to do
00:17:20.080 it no it was shocking and appalling and truly representative of what's been happening in the
00:17:27.640 media and in recent days i was going to talk to you about the trump firing the statistician but i don't
00:17:33.220 think i need to because i think everybody agrees you know you shouldn't do something like that when you
00:17:38.180 get a bad jobs report but the the financial indicators uh for both canada and the united states
00:17:44.980 um there's some warning signs there uh recently what do you think what do you think the next few
00:17:50.860 months hold for us now try you know carney has come up with nothing on a trade deal he's got nothing
00:17:56.860 as you pointed out with respect to the europeans he's going to start showing putting some points on
00:18:02.760 the board doesn't he well as he pointed out during the election campaign our economy was weak
00:18:10.040 before donald trump and it remains weak and this is a problem and so what's he going to do about it
00:18:17.900 well you know i i know that now they're saying oh don't worry these extra terrorists don't need much
00:18:23.680 we've still got the sacral terrorists on steel and it's going to mean higher unemployment around mill
00:18:29.500 towns like hamilton sault st marie uh edmonton regina go down the list that was just down in
00:18:36.500 fredrickton last week they got a steel fabricator york steel all these places are being had the
00:18:42.300 aluminum uh guys in quebec uh you know we're headed towards winter uh anyone buying canned food it's
00:18:50.740 going to cost more you know the other terrorists are still in place lana paine from uniform was out
00:18:57.300 there saying don't downplay this and you know she's the head of my union and i often don't agree with
00:19:03.220 her but she's right on this we we can't downplay this as nothing there are people whose jobs are on
00:19:09.860 the line and if you're part of the laptop class you're not going to feel this for a while if you're
00:19:13.780 retired you're not feeling it in the same way um and so that allows people to say well let's just get
00:19:20.620 them back harder i actually disagree with doug ford completely on this at the moment um a few months
00:19:27.140 ago i would have agreed with them now let's get down to negotiating properly that doesn't mean
00:19:33.420 capitulation that means get a deal that it's good for canada that protects our workers and and if
00:19:40.380 we're going to say that we're going to diversify our way out of this well then we've got to be serious
00:19:45.800 about trade with other countries too if we can't get a trade deal with britain you know how how well
00:19:51.300 are things going to go with other countries sorry a motorcycle just went by me well i just want to
00:19:55.920 conclude with that final point you made which i love which is the laptop class the biking class
00:20:03.140 scored a big victory in the past few days and you've been writing about it um maybe you can tell
00:20:09.260 us a little bit about what happened and why uh an activist lawyer who was appointed by david lemany
00:20:15.420 to be an activist judge invented the charter right to bike lanes and utterly bizarre decision
00:20:23.420 that i think has to be overturned and for me it's not about bike lanes whether you like them or dislike
00:20:28.560 them it's about judges not overstepping their bounds uh this is a decision the provincial government
00:20:34.980 made they ran an election on it and then suddenly there's this right to a bike lane that doesn't
00:20:43.700 actually exist in the charter but you know this is really about justice paul shabbos who um to tell
00:20:51.240 you the type of activist uh he is big donor to new democrats and liberals um mostly new democrats
00:20:57.780 provincially and federally uh champagne socialist lives in a very nice part of town and when he was
00:21:04.500 the head of the law society of upper canada he first off changed the name to law society of ontario
00:21:09.920 uh because he doesn't like history but then he decided that all lawyers had to sign on to this
00:21:16.420 statement of belief which many felt was compelled speech and it was so disliked by lawyers that there
00:21:25.600 was a revolt of what's called the benchers the people who run the law society and they elected a
00:21:31.160 brand new slate and they got rid of shabbos's uh ideas as soon as he was gone um yeah i i've heard from
00:21:38.520 judges crowns uh defense lawyers they're all laughing at this decision and they say this is
00:21:45.600 a horrible decision that needs to be overturned whether it will be i i don't know and again it's
00:21:51.540 not about bike lanes and by the way the ford government's bike lane plan was we're going to
00:21:55.200 take them off of certain roads and we'll put them on others but they don't make sense where they are
00:22:01.000 because they are causing major uh traffic congestion problems and it's not up to a judge
00:22:07.520 to decide that based on the charter you can cause traffic problems and nobody can do anything about
00:22:13.680 it no i don't i don't think pierre trudeau and jean creche and all the premiers sitting around
00:22:18.040 negotiating the charter had this in mind yeah this this is what the notwithstanding clause is there
00:22:24.200 for judges don't want it used don't don't overstep judicial bounds and decide that no parliament's not
00:22:31.080 supreme you are i apologize for more cyclists motorcyclists going by yeah no i a first year law school a long
00:22:38.280 time ago for me but i don't recall a constitutional provision for uh the right to bike lanes i don't
00:22:45.400 i don't think that's in there so i think you're on the right track with this one um i think you're
00:22:52.100 on the right track with all of this stuff brian lily thank you so much sir and uh have a great day
00:22:57.340 and a great week talk to you soon
00:23:08.280 he's always talking too much he's too loud he's always calling my phone and i never know what he's talking about
00:23:22.780 mr rick acting like a big dick mr roe picks up all his bits i'm having none of it
00:23:28.600 at my funeral nobody came everybody knew my shit was lame at my funeral no one even cried no one even showed up
00:23:40.600 cuz i'm a bad guy
00:23:42.600 i went to your funeral and no one even knew
00:23:48.600 at my funeral no one even cried at my funeral no one even cried at my funeral nobody came they had plans
00:24:02.600 couldn't remember my name at my funeral nobody cried something came up so maybe next time at my funeral nobody came everybody knew my shit was lame
00:24:16.600 at my funeral no one even cried no one even showed up cuz i'm a bad guy at my funeral
00:24:25.600 at my funeral
00:24:29.600 at my funeral
00:24:31.600 i didn't cry
00:24:33.600 at my funeral
00:24:35.600 i'm a bad guy
00:24:36.600 I went to your funeral and no one needed me
00:24:49.660 At my funeral, nobody came
00:24:52.720 Everybody knew my shit was lame
00:24:56.000 At my funeral, no one even cried
00:24:59.200 No one even showed up
00:25:01.000 Cause I'm a bad guy
00:25:02.480 At my funeral
00:25:03.560 Welcome back to the Ben Mulrooney Show
00:25:31.180 And this week in politics marches on
00:25:33.480 With Warren Kinsella and Michael Burns
00:25:35.300 And I'm going to take a stab here
00:25:37.360 And I'm going to guess that all three of us
00:25:39.800 Probably agree on the following
00:25:42.380 That we stand up for people's rights
00:25:46.980 Even if we don't agree with how they use those rights
00:25:51.080 You know, the freedom of speech is only as good
00:25:53.340 As the speech that we're willing to tolerate
00:25:56.220 That we don't agree with
00:25:57.300 And we have seen, Warren, for two years
00:26:02.360 Our streets and our universities being taken over
00:26:05.340 By some people spouting some pretty vile things
00:26:07.720 Some pretty hateful things
00:26:08.900 And the police seemingly willing to just let it go
00:26:13.820 And yet one guy comes here from the United States
00:26:16.740 Singing songs about Jesus
00:26:18.040 And he possibly didn't fall on the right side of the pandemic
00:26:23.660 As far as safety protocols were concerned
00:26:26.860 And we're treating this guy
00:26:28.420 Like the living embodiment of Mein Kampf
00:26:31.360 Yeah, it was ridiculous
00:26:33.840 It was just this overreaction
00:26:36.800 And all they did was make him famous
00:26:38.900 Like, I don't know about you guys
00:26:40.680 I mean, I only listen to punk rock and reggae
00:26:42.660 So he was never my cup of tea
00:26:45.600 But like, you know, now we're all talking about him
00:26:49.160 Which I presume is what he wanted
00:26:51.200 And like, you know, just putting on my lawyer's hat
00:26:54.540 Even though he's a foreign national
00:26:56.980 Even though he's an American
00:26:58.440 And apparently a mega-American
00:27:00.200 He is entitled to protections
00:27:02.500 Under our Constitution
00:27:04.080 Under Section 2
00:27:05.300 Of freedom of speech
00:27:06.680 And freedom of assembly
00:27:07.980 And he was denied that
00:27:11.260 By levels of government
00:27:12.860 You know, they basically pulled the plug on his events
00:27:16.280 And then, you know, the one lesson I've learned about rock and roll
00:27:19.280 Because I used to have my own record company
00:27:20.840 And production company
00:27:21.820 Is in rock and roll
00:27:23.260 Any publicity is good publicity
00:27:25.140 And they gave this guy plenty
00:27:27.040 So everything that they'd hoped to achieve
00:27:29.120 Blew up in their face
00:27:30.580 And, you know, again, it was just a bad look
00:27:33.900 It made us look like we're an intolerant little country
00:27:36.900 When I don't think we are
00:27:38.300 And as you point out
00:27:39.520 It looked hypocritical as well
00:27:41.180 You know, in the city of Toronto
00:27:42.420 The cops have had to spend 17 million bucks
00:27:45.620 On extra policing
00:27:47.920 Of these pro-Hamas, anti-Israel types
00:27:52.280 But they come down like a sledgehammer on this guy
00:27:55.140 It just didn't make any sense
00:27:56.460 Yeah, and then, Michael
00:27:57.480 This one church in Montreal
00:27:59.180 Comes to his rescue
00:28:00.440 After his permits were taken away
00:28:02.800 And now they've been fined
00:28:04.280 They've been given a ticket for 2,500 bucks
00:28:06.120 Because they didn't have the proper permits
00:28:08.220 And the mayor of my former hometown
00:28:12.800 Just spoke in a way that was
00:28:16.040 Not only was it beneath the office
00:28:18.820 But it was petty
00:28:20.400 And it also harkened back
00:28:22.160 To some really divisive positions
00:28:26.140 From certain people on the left
00:28:27.760 Referencing anything they disagree with
00:28:30.060 As hateful
00:28:30.960 Saying this is not who we are
00:28:33.400 With all due respect
00:28:34.380 It might not be who you are
00:28:35.460 But it might be who some people are
00:28:37.300 And those people are as Canadian as you are
00:28:39.100 To me, this is a reminder
00:28:41.160 That if the world is moving back
00:28:44.560 To a sensible place
00:28:45.640 Away from the reactionary woke stuff
00:28:47.580 Canada is going to be a laggard on that front
00:28:50.700 No question
00:28:52.980 I think we're all in agreement
00:28:54.100 Look, I think in both cases
00:28:56.540 We're seeing decisions that raise real concerns
00:28:59.640 About selective enforcement
00:29:01.080 You know, if a church or a concert venue
00:29:03.840 Had hosted a progressive artist
00:29:05.540 With these political views
00:29:07.900 Do you really think
00:29:08.860 There would have been the same fines
00:29:11.520 Or permanent denials?
00:29:13.820 To me, that is the test of free speech
00:29:16.780 Whether we protect it
00:29:18.500 For the people that we don't agree with
00:29:20.820 Now, look, I'm not defending his politics
00:29:23.460 No, none of us are
00:29:24.420 I don't think any of us
00:29:25.960 Would ever spend one minute
00:29:27.480 Listening to this guy's music
00:29:28.640 And certainly not agreeing with
00:29:30.320 A lot of the stuff that he espouses
00:29:32.180 But that's not the point
00:29:33.380 Correct
00:29:35.080 And it's really about
00:29:37.000 Whether government officials
00:29:38.040 Are using the bylaws
00:29:39.200 Or permanent systems
00:29:40.220 To shut down unpopular views
00:29:42.040 And I think we'd all agree
00:29:43.960 That that's a slippery slope
00:29:45.560 And we should all be concerned
00:29:47.220 Whether you're left, right, or center
00:29:48.660 Look, I think at the end of the day
00:29:51.640 If we want to be a confident democracy
00:29:54.120 We've got to let the public
00:29:56.060 Debate these ideas
00:29:57.180 And not shut them down
00:29:58.640 All right, let's move on
00:30:01.500 To really a staggering story
00:30:03.880 Out of Peel region in the GTA
00:30:06.680 Where the police essentially
00:30:08.240 Did a sting operation
00:30:09.560 Putting out an ad online
00:30:11.800 Offering up sex with a
00:30:14.100 For anybody who wrote in
00:30:16.840 Or reached out
00:30:17.820 To a non-existent teen
00:30:19.540 It was a police officer
00:30:21.760 Posing as a teenager
00:30:22.660 And 1,100 people
00:30:24.980 Reached out
00:30:26.080 To get their
00:30:28.620 To, I don't know
00:30:30.500 Scratch a really gross
00:30:32.800 And grotesque itch
00:30:34.460 Warren, I want to start with you
00:30:36.560 Because as a lawyer
00:30:38.520 What are the rules around
00:30:42.080 Alerting the public
00:30:44.020 To these 1,100 people
00:30:46.100 I mean, some of them
00:30:47.100 Could all be coming
00:30:48.120 From one neighborhood
00:30:49.300 If I were a parent
00:30:50.120 In that neighborhood
00:30:50.840 I think I would want to know
00:30:53.420 That these people
00:30:54.260 Were in close proximity
00:30:55.960 To my kids
00:30:56.540 Yeah, it's a tough one
00:30:58.880 It's a tough one for police
00:31:00.320 You know, publishing
00:31:01.600 The names of people
00:31:02.960 Captured in sex sweeps
00:31:05.080 Like these guys have been
00:31:07.940 Is something that police forces
00:31:09.620 Have done before
00:31:10.500 The only risk is this
00:31:13.020 What if one of them's innocent
00:31:14.960 Yeah
00:31:15.340 And, you know
00:31:16.460 And then you're looking
00:31:17.340 At a lawsuit
00:31:18.040 For the damage
00:31:18.880 To their reputation
00:31:20.020 Or, you know
00:31:20.660 What if one of them
00:31:21.380 Gets off
00:31:22.080 Or what if one of them
00:31:23.340 Gets killed by a vigilante
00:31:24.980 So there's a risk associated
00:31:26.660 With publishing their names
00:31:27.920 But as you say
00:31:29.260 There is a history
00:31:30.500 Of doing this
00:31:31.240 And, you know
00:31:32.020 Parents in particular
00:31:33.420 Are entitled to know
00:31:34.680 If one of these creeps
00:31:36.260 Lives in their neighborhood
00:31:37.400 What's extraordinary here
00:31:39.500 Is the number
00:31:40.220 Yeah
00:31:40.520 You know, 1,100 names
00:31:42.620 Like that just shows us
00:31:44.160 We've got a terrible problem
00:31:45.600 We've got to deal with
00:31:46.620 In this country
00:31:47.400 And in this province
00:31:48.820 And I don't envy the police
00:31:51.140 For the decision
00:31:51.760 They've got to make
00:31:52.500 This is going to be a tough one
00:31:53.760 Yeah
00:31:54.100 And so, Michael
00:31:55.100 I'm of two minds
00:31:56.500 I mean, like
00:31:57.260 If push comes to shove
00:31:58.700 I'm a parent
00:31:59.300 So, of course
00:31:59.920 I'm going to want to know
00:32:00.840 Who this person
00:32:02.160 Who these people are
00:32:03.120 But, as Warren rightly points out
00:32:07.040 In a sting operation
00:32:08.280 That's a dragnet, right?
00:32:09.520 Like you just
00:32:10.980 You throw it out there
00:32:11.920 And you see
00:32:12.220 Who can we catch?
00:32:13.700 It's not a focused investigation
00:32:15.800 On one person
00:32:17.020 And so, in that way
00:32:18.680 I don't know
00:32:19.820 If all of their ducks
00:32:21.240 Are in a row
00:32:21.840 The way they would be
00:32:22.700 If they were targeting one guy
00:32:23.820 Or another guy
00:32:24.400 And so, I don't know
00:32:26.120 If they would need to
00:32:27.700 Clear a higher bar
00:32:30.440 To be comfortable
00:32:31.520 With ultimately releasing the names
00:32:33.980 Yeah, well, listen
00:32:36.800 I agree
00:32:37.700 I mean, when I read the story
00:32:39.020 It's horrifying to think
00:32:40.340 That, you know
00:32:40.800 Over a thousand men in Ontario
00:32:42.180 Were inquiring about sex
00:32:43.780 With kids
00:32:44.780 And I completely understand
00:32:47.360 Why the public wants their names
00:32:49.240 I mean, they want accountability
00:32:50.580 And yes, in some cases
00:32:52.480 Publishing identities
00:32:53.800 Can protect the public
00:32:55.180 And act perhaps as a deterrent
00:32:57.000 But we've got to be really careful
00:32:58.780 And I still think
00:33:00.840 That we believe in due process
00:33:02.280 And the presumption of innocence
00:33:03.740 And ultimately
00:33:05.740 I land, you know
00:33:07.980 On the side of
00:33:08.840 Not publishing names
00:33:10.080 Until formal charges
00:33:11.600 Are sworn in
00:33:12.460 I still think we can protect kids
00:33:14.500 Without resorting to trials
00:33:15.920 By social media
00:33:16.700 And certainly
00:33:17.320 You know, the recent
00:33:19.120 Hockey Canada case
00:33:21.040 Reminds us that
00:33:22.040 Outrage, you know
00:33:23.100 Isn't proof
00:33:23.800 And we've got to make sure
00:33:25.020 That we don't get it wrong
00:33:26.220 Because it's very difficult
00:33:27.780 To undo that damage
00:33:28.880 Now, we only have about
00:33:29.780 A minute left
00:33:30.680 And so if it's alright
00:33:31.360 I'm going to go to Warren
00:33:32.700 On this one
00:33:33.320 Because I'm sure
00:33:34.280 In your time with
00:33:35.200 Jean Chrétien
00:33:36.080 You spent
00:33:36.440 Some really memorable
00:33:39.100 Evenings and days
00:33:40.400 At 24 Sussex Drive
00:33:41.960 But with the story
00:33:43.200 That $200 million
00:33:44.420 Is going to be put
00:33:46.160 Into a new ballroom
00:33:47.180 At the White House
00:33:47.860 What is it about
00:33:49.700 The Canadian character
00:33:50.860 That makes it impossible
00:33:51.920 For us to build
00:33:52.880 A house worthy
00:33:53.740 Of the Prime Minister
00:33:55.200 Of this country
00:33:55.800 I'm with you
00:33:57.900 On this one
00:33:58.440 I'm a big believer
00:33:59.620 That that house
00:34:00.920 You know
00:34:01.500 24 doesn't belong
00:34:03.060 To the Prime Ministers
00:34:04.140 Whether it's your dad
00:34:05.800 Or my former boss
00:34:07.000 It belongs to the people
00:34:08.280 And you know
00:34:09.640 The people have an expectation
00:34:10.780 That we're going to
00:34:11.920 Maintain that building
00:34:13.920 And all the federal buildings
00:34:16.000 So, you know
00:34:16.960 I think if we sank
00:34:18.600 The money into it
00:34:19.420 I don't think people
00:34:20.180 Would object to it
00:34:21.000 I know when I was
00:34:21.600 Chief of Staff
00:34:22.300 At Public Works
00:34:23.300 We had bricks
00:34:24.160 Falling off the front
00:34:25.080 Of the center block
00:34:25.800 I was worried
00:34:26.900 About putting money
00:34:28.000 Into it
00:34:28.620 That the bureaucrats
00:34:29.420 Were requesting
00:34:30.020 We did it anyway
00:34:31.340 And Ben
00:34:31.920 We didn't get
00:34:32.540 A single peep
00:34:33.380 Not a single objection
00:34:34.640 To spending that money
00:34:36.080 To protect the people's buildings
00:34:37.500 Yeah, I'm hopeful now
00:34:39.220 That we've reached a point
00:34:40.400 Of collective shame
00:34:42.200 And embarrassment
00:34:42.960 As to, you know
00:34:45.040 Comparing how we
00:34:46.620 How we house
00:34:47.660 Our Prime Minister
00:34:48.240 Versus others around the world
00:34:49.560 That we can finally
00:34:51.180 Get to a point
00:34:51.840 Where it's not a political
00:34:52.680 Hot potato anymore
00:34:53.620 But I want to thank you both
00:34:55.300 For joining me
00:34:56.020 Great conversation today
00:34:57.100 I hope you both
00:34:57.860 Have a wonderful weekend
00:34:59.120 And I look forward
00:35:00.000 To our next chat
00:35:00.660 My life is happening
00:35:28.380 At the end of reading
00:35:30.440 You wrote the stories
00:35:34.460 That I've been
00:35:36.480 This ain't the end
00:35:40.560 That I had one of them
00:35:42.680 But I had chosen
00:35:46.800 While I be
00:35:47.880 And I never thought
00:35:51.540 That I would be
00:35:52.740 Anyone that I would want to be
00:35:55.740 And the hearty
00:35:57.540 I never would have said that I came about in my own
00:36:03.240 I cannot believe what I have done
00:36:06.700 I cannot believe what I have done
00:36:12.800 I cannot believe what I have done
00:36:19.060 I cannot believe what I have done
00:36:27.540 But now I feel like a liar
00:36:32.740 Oh, will I ever see you come?
00:36:40.860 This ain't the love that I had wanted
00:36:44.500 But I have chosen who I am
00:36:50.980 And I never thought that I would be
00:36:54.680 Anyone that I would want to be
00:36:57.780 And I hardly ever would have said
00:37:00.760 That I came about in my own way
00:37:03.880 Cause things don't happen for a reason
00:37:06.660 Oh, no, I'm not believing
00:37:09.620 Don't happen for a reason
00:37:12.760 Oh, no, I'm not believing
00:37:15.860 Things don't happen for a reason
00:37:18.960 Oh, no, I'm not believing
00:37:21.960 Don't happen for a reason
00:37:25.180 Oh, no, I'm not believing
00:37:28.140 Things don't happen for a reason
00:37:31.380 Oh, no, I'm not believing
00:37:43.200 Oh, no, I'm not believing
00:37:43.880 Don't happen for a reason
00:37:44.700 Oh, no, I'm not believing
00:37:46.620 Don't happen for a reason
00:37:49.760 Oh, no, I'm not believing
00:37:52.860 Those things don't happen for a reason
00:37:55.900 Oh, no, I'm not believing
00:37:58.280 it is friday and it's not just any friday it's friday of the saskatchewan day long weekend
00:38:19.420 and of course uh we've been talking about the exhibitions are in full swing in both saskatoon
00:38:25.720 and regina the fringe festival also going on in saskatoon hearing lots of great things about
00:38:32.800 allison kraus and union station put on a heck of a show last night in saskatoon the wreck laws in
00:38:38.660 regina so anyone that took that in will be enjoying it living skies come alive in the
00:38:43.760 moosman regional park this weekend i was talking about that a little bit earlier on the morning
00:38:47.720 show that's an exciting one too for people that love fireworks great fireworks competition and
00:38:52.840 a whole lot more going on there so yeah saskatchewan day long weekend almost here
00:38:57.740 and to get us there we've got a great show planned for you today we talk lots about the relationship
00:39:04.220 between canada and the united states as if before trump was in power it was perfect well that's
00:39:10.000 not the case in fact our friend ralph nirenberger former u.s foreign relations expert joins us this
00:39:15.900 morning to remind us of a very rocky point in our history quite a while back that set the course for
00:39:22.700 both countries of where we're at today 35 tariffs officially here in fact trump didn't even wait
00:39:29.160 to flip the page on the calendar you know the deadline was today august 1st well he did it last
00:39:34.400 night um basically that was his move in the chess game i guess now it's our move what do you say
00:39:39.860 open lines are coming up what should canada do in response many people saying absolutely nothing
00:39:46.360 continue to work quietly at getting a trade deal others like doug ford the premier of ontario putting
00:39:52.920 boxing gloves on and saying okay it's on we'll get your thoughts on that of course friday means
00:39:58.700 bugs and hugs at 10 o'clock it's eaten time with belton johnson at 11 and rider game tomorrow in
00:40:05.360 montreal green and white prognostications coming up today at noon all right let's get going friday
00:40:11.560 morning here's the big talker let's get out of business shall we welcome let's begin the evan
00:40:17.420 bray show the big talker well here we are canada once again staring down the barrel of more trade
00:40:25.020 tensions with the united states 35 tariffs uh hit last night now we know anything that is kuzma compliant
00:40:33.620 is exempt from that and i've heard different numbers i've heard some as much as 90 percent of
00:40:40.600 canadian exports to these states are kuzma compliant and i've heard numbers that are down
00:40:44.740 around the 70 percent mark regardless if you've got kuzma compliance so that free trade agreement if you
00:40:51.840 follow all of the mandated must-have regulations in there then you're going to be good and free
00:40:57.840 and exempt but we know there's lots of industries the auto industry is being impacted by this the steel
00:41:03.260 and aluminum tariff softwood lumber there's lots of industries that are impacted by this and then in
00:41:09.500 the middle of all of this wednesday prime minister carney decides to talk about a palestinian state
00:41:16.440 which some people say might have even derailed those trade talks a little bit more here to break
00:41:22.160 this down for us someone that we always enjoy having on the program warren kinsella who is a
00:41:27.840 multi-layered professional he's a lawyer he's an author he's a journalist he's a political columnist
00:41:33.700 commentator strategist and consultant and he joins us on the line this morning just ahead of the long
00:41:39.940 weekend welcome warren what's your favorite way to enjoy the canadian summer uh no i i kind of keep
00:41:45.940 going um i'm not i'm one of those weird people who doesn't like to take big long holidays or you know
00:41:53.520 golfing or whatever so if i'm still plugging away i actually that's how i keep saying my when i used to
00:42:00.920 work for uh mr pretzel we talked about it he's 91 and um i said you know why don't you ever retire
00:42:08.020 and he said uh everybody i know when they retire they drop dead so i'm not going to retire i'm
00:42:12.840 going to keep going grab an ice cream cone on the road fair enough fair enough okay i want to talk
00:42:17.120 about i read your opinion piece from the toronto sun so let's start there the announcement wednesday
00:42:22.240 prime minister mark carney that canada plans to recognize a palestinian state at the un assembly this
00:42:28.240 fall of course there's some conditions that need to be met that you and i both know are never in a
00:42:33.080 million years going to be met just give me your thoughts on the announcement um it was disgraceful
00:42:39.120 i wasn't shocked because you know when france did it and then the united kingdom it seemed like a
00:42:46.020 certainty that canada would as well uh but it was it's a grave mistake and it's a grave mistake in my
00:42:53.760 opinion and a lot of people because gaza is an entity it's a strip of land governed by a designated
00:43:02.180 terrorist group it's it designated as a terrorist group in canada since 2002 we and they're the people
00:43:10.400 who run gaza and we've said we're going to recognize them like it's just extraordinary that
00:43:16.460 this country this government is willing to recognize a state run by terrorists like that's
00:43:23.340 just something that you shouldn't never do and and it had an immediate effect you know after france
00:43:29.300 britain and canada did what they did hamas pulled out of the ceasefire talks that were taking place with
00:43:36.480 the saudis qatar and israel and they've disappeared ever since and you know from their perspective who can
00:43:42.920 blame them it's like hey look guys we get a recognized state by doing nothing and continuing
00:43:48.220 to kill israelis um so it's it's logical that this would happen and it's deplorable that canada made
00:43:56.380 this decision in some of the follow-up interviews that i watched ottawa different people from from
00:44:02.800 ottawa said that they feel that canada has a bigger role to play in the situation in the middle east
00:44:08.300 do we really no i don't think so you know really i mean in the years past we had uh prime minister
00:44:15.980 pearson you know getting the nobel prize for the sewage crisis helping to solve that and brian
00:44:22.020 maloney courageously fighting apartheid in the 80s you know kretzian saying no in iraq i think those
00:44:28.960 were the last big moments we had we we haven't really distinguished ourselves either militarily or
00:44:35.940 diplomatically on the international stage and i think this is why uh in part um you you've got
00:44:42.860 donald trump um saying the terrible things that he's been saying about us and you know aspiring to
00:44:49.140 make us a 51st state um because we just don't have the clout that we once did i i don't know if
00:44:55.160 carney did what he did in order to you know get some gravitas get some clout um but you know this is
00:45:03.380 the wrong way to go about it recognizing a state run by terrorists warren kinsella is our guest
00:45:09.280 political columnist commentator strategist consultant i actually questioned the timing
00:45:14.160 even with regard to our relationship with the states that tariff deadline do you think that
00:45:19.620 made any difference and and was that maybe part of the strategy potentially from the federal government
00:45:24.400 well if it was it was a bad strategy because the immediate response from the president was
00:45:30.320 this is going to create problems for doing a tariff deal with canada and you know that may be bs that
00:45:37.580 may be an excuse who knows with donald trump but it is in fact what's happened we are the only g7
00:45:43.260 country now that doesn't have some kind of a tariff deal with the united states and last night trump up the
00:45:50.760 you know the tariff facing non-us mca goods and services so like we're in an even worse position we were
00:45:59.060 before is it because of our palestine carney's palestine decision who knows but it you know all
00:46:06.180 around it's a bad look and it gives trump another you know gives them another stick to beat us with
00:46:11.060 warren kinsella is my guest you sent out a note on social media yesterday that i want to talk to you
00:46:17.440 about you said mark carney may be good at the money stuff but international affairs is emerging as a clear
00:46:23.880 and undeniable area of weakness what prompted that well it was this palestine decision uh for one uh
00:46:32.240 but also the the tariffs thing you know i remember the prime minister saying at the end of march before
00:46:37.200 the election and you know it was that historic statement that was heard around the world our old
00:46:43.540 relationship with the united states of america militarily and economically is over remember when he said
00:46:49.160 that sure do final week of march and a lot of people leave that and they took them at at face
00:46:54.520 value and then we found out through my colleague brian milley at post media that there were secret
00:47:00.480 secret negotiations going on for a new free trade deal with the united states and it's like okay well
00:47:07.260 you've kind of reversed yourself there but you know when he confirmed that when he said yes we are doing
00:47:13.760 that dominic leblanc and our ambassador to the united states leading the charge you know it raised an
00:47:20.020 expectation that we actually would get a deal well now as of last night as of 12 hours ago uh not only
00:47:27.000 do we not have a deal with the united states we're facing even more tariffs than we were before is there
00:47:32.520 anything warren do you think that canada could have done you talked earlier about the unpredictability of
00:47:37.860 donald trump is there anything canada could have done to prevent what happened last night with the
00:47:42.540 escalation to 35 that's a good question i don't know the answer to it the one thing i do know
00:47:48.740 with trump twofold you know in full disclosure as you know i've can campaign against him you know going
00:47:55.040 back a decade you know volunteering for the democrats is um you got to pay attention to what he does not
00:48:01.860 what he says and and the thing i learned from kretzian is don't raise expectations that you can't satisfy
00:48:08.520 you know undersell and overperform and i think a big mistake that the carny guys made on the
00:48:14.720 terrace front is they raised an expectation that we would have a deal you know the prime minister said
00:48:20.180 that quite a few times he said believe we're going to get a deal and i think a lot of canadians said
00:48:25.560 okay well you know uh this is what we elected this guy to do uh we think that he's going to be able
00:48:30.860 to pull it off well not only have they not pulled it off we're in a worse situation than we were before
00:48:36.080 i feel like the prime minister has been actually trying to uh somehow mitigate what the expectations
00:48:43.280 are saying it's it's unlikely we're going to get a deal that's completely tariff free what do you think
00:48:50.140 the strategy should be going forward today's august 1st 35 uh escalation in tariffs comes on today
00:48:57.080 what's the strategy well my you know what i if they if i've been giving them advice um and i
00:49:04.380 definitely am not i you know i would have said look guys what is the point of devoting ourselves
00:49:10.960 to trying to get a new trade deal this is the same president um who's abrogated the trade deal that's
00:49:18.460 in place right now the usmca was signed by donald trump and he's torn it up so why why spend all this
00:49:26.640 time and energy and resources trying to get a new deal when he can wake up tomorrow morning and fire
00:49:32.180 off a note on truth social and saying he's tearing it up again like he you know he as we've all seen
00:49:38.200 he just makes stuff up the latest being fentanyl again but we've heard it's dairy we've heard it's
00:49:44.340 it's uh potash we've heard it's banking um you know now we're back to fentanyl he just concocts
00:49:51.500 whatever excuse he wants to get out of the deal and uh you know which then just raises the question
00:49:57.180 well what's the point of trying to get a new deal with him when he breaks his word all the time
00:50:01.400 just about out of time uh warren kinsella is my guest is supply management in the sites
00:50:07.140 for change in canada anytime soon yeah the president did issue a statement on his truth
00:50:15.640 social a few weeks ago where he complained about dairy and our agricultural practices and it sounds
00:50:22.560 like he is uh does have um supply management in his sites um obviously as you know better than me
00:50:30.860 there's a lot of division within the country uh about that a lot of conservatives are against it
00:50:36.020 i mean that's a andrew sheer won the conservative leadership by being for it and maxine bernier
00:50:41.300 kicked out for being against it so you know what's going to happen i don't know what decisions we make i
00:50:48.900 don't know but again it's another problem for carney because at the end of june there was a vote in
00:50:55.340 the house of commons all the parties agreed we should not touch supply management and now you know
00:51:01.800 you've got donald trump coming to us coming after us on that issue as well uh who knows how it's going
00:51:07.380 to end up but as i say right now the prime minister is not looking very good in his handling of
00:51:12.760 international affairs last question for you warren before we let you go mark carney's been making his
00:51:18.460 way across canada talking on a variety of things even here in saskatchewan we're hearing our premier
00:51:23.340 scott mo um saying you know what i like what i hear from this leader when is the honeymoon over
00:51:29.420 when does the rubber hit the road and expectations that we start to see movement on some of these
00:51:35.080 promises well to be fair to him to give him some credit you know it's obvious he's a progressive
00:51:41.980 conservative and that's what the country i think wanted um and you know he benefited from some of the
00:51:49.300 weaknesses that poliev had so but again you know he he raised expectations before and during the
00:51:58.220 election that he's not satisfying you know we thought we would be protected by now you know this
00:52:04.080 guy got elected mainly because we believed that he would be able to handle trump and the early signs
00:52:10.260 were he could well now we're in a worse position than any major country in the world so i i think the
00:52:17.100 chickens are coming home to roost uh supply management or not i think that uh donald trump's
00:52:23.020 going to create a lot of problems for mark carney in the coming weeks always appreciate you joining
00:52:26.860 the show warren thanks for your time
00:52:28.300 so
00:52:32.780 oh i'm just a kid
00:52:40.700 oh i'm just a kid
00:53:02.700 i never use my brain
00:53:08.620 i only use my heart
00:53:10.620 and my imagination
00:53:14.620 oh i'm just a kid
00:53:20.620 i always make mistakes
00:53:24.620 i never say i'm sorry
00:53:27.580 i'm sorry
00:53:29.500 cause the mistakes that i made
00:53:33.500 die
00:53:35.420 i never say
00:53:41.420 I'm just a kid
00:54:11.420 I've never seen the world
00:54:15.160 But I haven't quite decided
00:54:19.040 If I'm a boy or a girl
00:54:23.080 Oh, I'm just a kid
00:54:27.880 Afraid of the dark
00:54:31.860 But I'm obsessed with my tears
00:54:36.620 One day I got far
00:54:39.980 Yeah, it does
00:54:43.740 I'm just a kid
00:55:13.740 Oh, I'm no longer a kid
00:55:18.320 And everything has changed
00:55:22.820 There's nothing in my heart
00:55:26.860 And it lighted in my brain
00:55:30.820 So listen up, you kiss
00:55:35.560 And hear what I say
00:55:39.500 Don't listen to your brain
00:55:43.500 Don't follow your dreams
00:55:47.700 What's that?
00:55:51.180 What's that?
00:55:51.240 What's that?
00:55:56.380 What's that?
00:55:59.340 Thank you.
00:56:29.340 Thank you.