kinsellacast - August 17, 2025


KINSELLACAST 374: Extra long with no SFH whatsoever - but with Lilley, Pierson, Znaimer! Plus Toots, Slits, Dirty Nil and Swell Maps!


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1 hour and 25 minutes

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100

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90

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The KinsellaCast is back after a week's absence. Warren talks about his big birthday and the people in his life who have made him who he is today. He also talks about what he wants to do with his life after he dies.

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00:00:00.000 It's the KinsellaCast, starring Warren Kinsella.
00:00:19.380 Hey, it's Warren. Welcome to the KinsellaCast.
00:00:23.020 And I apologize off the top.
00:00:27.420 We didn't have a KinsellaCast last week.
00:00:30.000 Why? Well, because I had a big birthday.
00:00:34.360 And I had lots of stuff going on.
00:00:36.660 Every August, my cousins Laura and Shannon and Diana and Leanne and Lynn, now Eileen, show up.
00:00:48.060 Sometimes Jonathan. This year, Alan.
00:00:51.220 We were up at my cabin. We were here in the county.
00:00:55.920 I got more tattoos. I got an old ballot box.
00:01:00.800 I got a pair of pants.
00:01:03.160 I got a jam live record.
00:01:06.140 Alan gave me an Israeli flag, a vintage Israeli flag.
00:01:11.800 Diane and Eileen gave me an Inuit sculpture.
00:01:14.860 I got great stuff from all of them.
00:01:18.620 But most importantly, I just had a great time with them.
00:01:22.400 So I just did not have time to get around to the podcast.
00:01:25.560 And I can't believe I am this old.
00:01:29.300 Like, I never thought I'd reach 20.
00:01:32.240 You know, I was a typical teenage punk rocker.
00:01:35.740 There I was with Alan and Pierre wrestling on the cloud trail on my 20th birthday in front of the Mr. Sub, stopping traffic.
00:01:45.480 And, like, I thought, that's it.
00:01:47.840 Okay, I'm not going to get any further.
00:01:49.500 But here I am.
00:01:50.640 I'm kind of like a dad and been a lawyer.
00:01:56.720 Well, I guess I still am.
00:01:58.420 And I've got books and have a business and different stuff.
00:02:04.600 Things, it just, I never thought that I would do.
00:02:08.060 I never thought this stuff would happen. 0.98
00:02:09.660 And I'm grateful people, you included, seem to give a bit of a shit what I have to say. 0.98
00:02:17.020 I'm not sure why you do. 0.98
00:02:18.960 But I'm grateful.
00:02:20.880 And so it's all weird.
00:02:22.200 And I just feel like I've been blessed.
00:02:25.300 And the best parents ever.
00:02:27.580 Miss them every day.
00:02:29.440 And amazing brothers.
00:02:32.640 Got three kids who love me.
00:02:35.180 Got incredible friends like Alan and Pierre.
00:02:38.080 And Alan.
00:02:40.740 Well, I said Alan already.
00:02:42.160 Sorry, Alan.
00:02:42.760 You get it twice.
00:02:44.200 And Jonathan and Harvey.
00:02:48.080 And been with some amazing people in my life.
00:02:53.120 Amazing women. 0.53
00:02:55.180 Well, except two.
00:02:56.520 But the rest of them have been amazing.
00:02:58.580 And I'm grateful to all of them.
00:03:01.820 And so, like, if I drop dead tomorrow,
00:03:04.960 and I've never thought that I was going to die in a bed somewhere. 0.95
00:03:09.880 A hundred percent, I'm getting shot or stabbed.
00:03:12.460 Like, that's what's happening. 0.79
00:03:14.120 And I'm good with that.
00:03:16.680 I just prefer a much more dramatic exit, you know?
00:03:21.120 A bang instead of a whimper.
00:03:22.920 So it's been okay.
00:03:24.000 Like, the books, I got one coming out this year.
00:03:28.100 Music, just put out a record.
00:03:29.620 I got back just this afternoon.
00:03:32.600 The guys and I were getting ready for a gig at the Bovine in September.
00:03:37.600 Doing painting.
00:03:39.300 Even sell some.
00:03:40.840 Incredibly.
00:03:42.380 Politics.
00:03:43.000 Feel good about the six majorities.
00:03:44.920 I played a small role in.
00:03:46.560 So, like, if I check out tomorrow,
00:03:50.200 my friend Nick,
00:03:51.800 I'll just let all you guys know,
00:03:53.060 my friend Nick is going to put something up on my website,
00:03:56.080 and then it's going to disappear.
00:03:57.960 And it's all going to disappear.
00:03:59.480 Everything.
00:04:00.320 That's what I want.
00:04:01.440 I want it all wiped out,
00:04:02.520 because I don't think anything,
00:04:03.760 it's not profound, as I like to say.
00:04:07.640 So, um,
00:04:09.360 I grow old.
00:04:10.720 I grow old.
00:04:12.300 I shall wear my trousers rolled.
00:04:15.860 Never.
00:04:17.360 Never will I wear my trousers rolled.
00:04:20.220 Welcome to the Kinsella cast,
00:04:22.320 and welcome to Warren's Twilight Days.
00:04:25.120 I will never go,
00:04:33.760 no,
00:04:34.060 I'll never,
00:04:35.060 I'll never,
00:04:36.080 I'll never,
00:04:36.540 I'll never,
00:04:37.420 I'll never,
00:04:38.500 I'll never,
00:04:39.340 I'll never,
00:04:40.080 cause I walk,
00:04:43.020 and I walk,
00:04:45.380 and I talk,
00:04:47.120 and I talk,
00:04:48.860 I swear,
00:04:50.820 Until I found my love
00:05:20.820 And I walked, and I walked
00:05:40.820 And I thought, and I thought
00:05:44.820 I thought, I swear
00:05:50.820 Until I found my love
00:05:54.820 I will never, I will never
00:05:56.820 ...
00:05:58.820 ...
00:06:02.820 ...
00:06:12.820 and we're back we're back after a week's absence i apologize to brian and to our millions of fans 0.96
00:06:28.700 um but it was my birthday and i decided fuck it fuck it i'm not gonna have a podcast so 0.96
00:06:34.520 i hung out all my female cousins come every year and hung out with them and that was a lot of fun 0.97
00:06:39.620 but i missed i missed the dulcet tones of the lily voice and um he's now back so welcome back
00:06:46.340 lily voice well thanks for having me and glad you survived yet another celebration of the birth of
00:06:52.720 the war and child the birth the festival of joy so um why why are people mean brian like brian
00:07:00.480 like brian maloney he's passed away everybody um you know he was a pretty good prime minister on
00:07:08.740 balance notwithstanding how miserable i made his life when i worked for kretzian but it was
00:07:13.440 nothing personal um like people don't want to recognize brian maloney like a federal body like
00:07:20.680 what the hell yeah this is the uh national historic monuments uh board and they've been around since
00:07:29.520 i think 1919 or something like that and you know normally your prime minister you died they recognize
00:07:38.440 you as a person a national historic person that's the official title and you know when the most recent
00:07:46.360 prime minister who passed away before uh maloney died that was john turner who was prime minister from
00:07:52.860 june until september 1984 but but you know did a lot else for the country in terms of cabinet positions
00:07:59.920 you know life and business and all of that he was recognized he died in september he was recognized
00:08:05.820 the the next april at the next board meeting uh when pierre trudeau died he died in september he was
00:08:13.760 recognized at the next meeting in april but rooney dies and they come up with a rule and say
00:08:19.060 we got to wait 25 years that's that's disgusting like that's really me that is me you you can dislike 0.70
00:08:27.360 the guy i don't care if you love or hate brian maloney you can't deny he is a person of historic
00:08:34.520 significance in this country no you cannot so so just it leaves me scratching my head well as you wrote in
00:08:42.660 the paper you know south africa free trade improved relationship of the world he had many many
00:08:49.780 achievements and you know two huge majority governments believe me i know i was there and
00:08:57.140 he he deserves recognition well somebody else who got recognition this week um there's a very smooth
00:09:03.960 segue is uh vladimir putin i didn't actually mind some people are going to lose their mind about this
00:09:10.160 i didn't mind that trump was meeting with putin because as yitzhak rabin says who else do you make
00:09:15.560 peace with but your enemy i really felt like as i said to you vomiting when i saw marines laying out
00:09:22.560 the red carpet or being told to lay out the red carpet for a murderous dictator that i had a problem
00:09:28.080 with what was your take on the summit uh i i loved the b2 bomber and the f-22s going overhead yeah
00:09:35.900 that was good to be that was good podium they're gonna stand on that that was a boss move it's like
00:09:41.300 yep we got we've got bomber planes over your head vladimir um look it's pageantry uh i've heard a few
00:09:50.560 people say they didn't like the the red carpet and i get it but it's pageantry you're trying to
00:09:56.760 butter the guy up to get a deal and um i know a lot of people think that trump has been in poops
00:10:03.680 for years i think that what he is doing right now is exactly what needs to be done and and i i can't
00:10:10.800 recall someone negotiating for p
00:10:14.360 i want you to come to a deal yeah let's get and if you do i'm going to give you economic benefits and
00:10:25.440 right now russia's economy is in the shitter it's not doing well right so he's saying
00:10:32.400 you come to peace you stop the war the economic benefits if you do not we're going to ratchet up
00:10:39.700 even further and you know after three years distinctions folks might be saying well what
00:10:44.680 else can you do just in the last week or so uh trump put tariffs on india for buying russian oil
00:10:52.220 so now he's going around and he's telling people uh not only don't do business with them you do
00:10:58.360 business with them i'll screw with your economy yeah that's fair enough that fair enough um i i i hope 0.60
00:11:05.820 it comes to to a deal uh there's gonna have to be some negotiation i know zelinski's saying
00:11:12.020 no we won't give up any land it you know show me a war where there's been a treaty at the end
00:11:18.040 and land hasn't been exchanged one way or the other the devil's in the details we we need kind
00:11:23.760 of land swaps obviously they're not getting kremia back but that disappeared in 2014 and the world did
00:11:29.180 nothing for them i wish we had so you know hopefully it's not russia gets to keep all the 0.73
00:11:37.240 land that they currently have hopefully there's a bit of a swapping back and forth both countries
00:11:42.100 made somewhat whole i hate giving putin anything but 69 of the population in ukraine now wants a
00:11:50.140 settlement they want a negotiated peace because this war has been grinding on them yeah it's the
00:11:55.680 kensellian rule wars are easy to start they're a lot harder to to finish um some interesting facts
00:12:03.420 statistics um have come out from david coletto uh and abacus in the past few days um you know and i
00:12:13.120 know there's been all of these these chorus of of tribute to mark carney all summer bad news polling
00:12:20.400 for pierre polyev and the ndp great numbers for carney and for his liberals but coletto came up with
00:12:29.340 some stuff in the past few days saying well better be careful there liberals um the the questions he's
00:12:37.420 asking maybe you you could talk about them a little bit is carney kind of understanding my life carney
00:12:44.040 knowing what i'm going through carney being in touch with the everyday reality of canadians
00:12:49.780 the numbers there are not so good and coletto saying that creates real opportunity for the conservative
00:12:56.340 party yeah uh david's been asking these kinds of interesting questions uh for years i think i first
00:13:05.060 started working with them in 2010 we he's not the son's pollster now but he was for several years
00:13:11.040 and always asking fascinating questions like that it tells you where people's heads are at
00:13:17.500 carney is getting the benefit of the doubt um because what other option do folks have and
00:13:26.080 you know is he doing a bad job yet i don't know is he doing a good job yet i don't know like we can't
00:13:33.940 really assess it yet and everyone's kind of in a wait and see i've been saying for a while he's got
00:13:40.860 to start delivering now he hasn't delivered in the ways that that i want by the way you know unlike
00:13:46.400 some of my email correspondence uh readers i do want him to succeed he won the election if he doesn't
00:13:53.100 succeed the country doesn't and but i thought he would have delivered a few more things by now than
00:14:00.720 he has and so yeah there there is opportunity there now i'll tell you that i've spoken with
00:14:10.760 various provincial governments who are saying great things about him and how good he is to work with and
00:14:17.480 that you know if he delivers on a few things for them that they'll be very happy but they're also
00:14:24.340 in that but we're waiting to see if he actually delivers so you know he's talked about these
00:14:29.540 projects of national importance i thought he would have had his list out at the end of may beginning
00:14:33.600 of june we're now into mid-august it's not there he's talked about things like two years to approval for
00:14:40.940 a pipeline well again we're into mid-august if he doesn't announce anything until september then
00:14:47.920 you've got to find a proponent then you've got to go through consultation we're into a year before
00:14:54.800 anything of significance was a year of him being in office before anything of significance happens
00:15:00.140 that's not going at the lightning speed that he was talking about so he has to start delivering
00:15:05.500 to keep the honeymoon alive but you know coletto's been alone in in finding in his polling as well
00:15:12.660 that support for the conservatives did not drop off at the end and i think it was tristan hopper at
00:15:18.360 national post said if you take people 55 and over out of the equation uh carney support drops a lot
00:15:25.480 and and he really does have a hold on that demographic bad news for the conservatives not that there will be
00:15:31.940 an election anytime soon they're the most likely voters and they used to be conservative voters
00:15:36.660 so you know if if carney delivers he can have a cretchen like moment where he holds the center and the
00:15:45.960 left and the center right and can govern for a long time if he doesn't deliver this could be a short
00:15:52.220 honeymoon he could be a mr dither's paul martin type guy one last question i am verily informed by my
00:16:00.400 sources that one brian moroni attended the king's plate yesterday wearing an ascot and wearing a top
00:16:07.480 hat brian lily but brian moroni has passed oh yeah oh sorry well freudgen slipped so uh yeah no sleep
00:16:15.020 last night it was band weekend so did you attend said event i i did i was not in a top hat um i you know
00:16:24.240 i was dressed appropriately you you you can't go like a schlub to the king's plate uh this is
00:16:31.120 second or third year going in a row and it's a lot of fun i i love horses i love horse racing and this is
00:16:40.100 the oldest continuously run horse race in north america and uh yeah so um manciepi i think was the horse that won
00:16:50.120 yesterday million dollar prize biggest prize in canadian horse racing um it may not be the
00:16:56.160 kentucky derby but it's our version of it and it's a lot of fun excellent well i just want to remind you
00:17:01.940 that loving horses in this province is illegal okay so just love your horse don't love your horse
00:17:10.460 the animal that i love the most is sitting in my lap right now story as we talk she's a honey bunch 0.99
00:17:18.100 chloe the wonder dog does so many radio hits with me just laying in my lap it's great she is a great 0.97
00:17:26.540 great dog all right brother uh great to hear your voice sorry about the gap last week but you probably
00:17:31.780 appreciated getting some of your sunday morning back have a great day great week and i'll see you
00:17:37.140 back in toronto i think this week thank you see you soon
00:17:39.780 i bet i bet i bet i bet i bet i bet on what i knew what your plans to make you do 0.98
00:18:08.100 With some other girl you knew before
00:18:11.840 But you have a kind, you know I love you more
00:18:15.480 Took me my surprise, I must say
00:18:19.660 When I fall in love yesterday
00:18:22.860 I've heard it through the great vine
00:18:26.580 And not much longer will you be mine
00:18:30.360 I've heard it through the great vine
00:18:33.940 And I'm just about to lose my mind
00:18:37.840 Honey, honey, I heard it through the great vine
00:18:40.780 And not much longer will you be mine
00:18:42.760 I know a man is supposed to cry 1.00
00:18:48.620 But these tears I can't hold inside
00:18:52.240 Losing you would mean my life, you see
00:18:55.840 Cause you mean that much to me
00:18:59.600 You could have taught me yourself
00:19:03.460 That you love, love, love
00:19:07.240 And not much longer will you be mine
00:19:14.440 I heard it through the great vine
00:19:17.840 And I'm just about to lose my mind
00:19:21.900 Honey, honey, I heard it through the great vine
00:19:24.820 And not much longer will you be my baby
00:19:27.600 People see the hand from what you see
00:19:32.540 Run and hide from what you hear
00:19:36.360 But I can't hide being confused
00:19:39.760 If it's true, please tell me dear
00:19:43.720 Do you plan to let me go
00:19:47.700 Do you plan to let me go
00:19:47.720 For this other guy you knew
00:19:50.700 Never
00:19:51.440 I heard it through the great vine
00:19:54.800 And not much longer will you be mine
00:19:58.780 Oh, I heard it through the great vine
00:20:02.100 I'm just about to lose my mind
00:20:06.280 Honey, honey
00:20:07.280 Ooh
00:20:14.140 One
00:20:15.100 I heard it through the great vine
00:20:16.420 And not much longer will you be mine
00:20:18.600 Baby
00:20:19.080 Two
00:20:20.780 I heard it through the great vine
00:20:23.680 And not much longer will you be mine
00:20:25.680 Baby
00:20:26.200 Oh, no
00:20:27.780 You heard it through the great vine
00:20:30.780 And not much longer will you be mine
00:20:32.680 Baby
00:20:33.440 Da, da, da
00:20:35.780 Da-da da, I heard it through the grapevine
00:20:38.180 Now much longer will you be my baby
00:20:40.900 Da-da da da
00:20:45.620 Now much longer will you be my baby
00:20:48.280 Da-da da da
00:20:51.080 Now much longer will you be my baby
00:21:00.100 So wonderin' how I knew
00:21:00.640 But your plans to make me blue
00:21:04.340 You're some other guy you knew before
00:21:08.100 You're two of a kind, you know I love you more
00:21:11.860 Do you plan to let me go
00:21:16.080 For this other guy you knew before
00:21:19.560 I'm just about to lose my mind
00:21:23.320 And I'm just about to lose my mind
00:21:27.180 And I'm just about to lose my mind
00:21:30.940 And I'm just about to lose my mind
00:21:34.280 Warren Kinsella, thank you so much for coming in.
00:21:38.400 I'm so glad that we're going to have a chance for a long conversation.
00:21:42.580 We've had many short conversations, but there's so much I would like to know.
00:21:48.000 Now, you are basically a hero in the Jewish community
00:21:54.380 because you have emerged as an ally, as an advocate in the face of this.
00:22:00.940 Huge explosion of anti-Semitism, you've kept at it day after day after day
00:22:07.740 And so, my first question is, so how did you come to that?
00:22:11.780 You're an Irish Catholic guy.
00:22:15.520 I'm a Zionist.
00:22:16.840 I mean, it was how my parents raised my brothers and I
00:22:20.440 I grew up in Montreal in a Jewish neighborhood
00:22:24.060 So my friends were Jewish, it was just normal, it was our life.
00:22:28.380 Which neighborhood?
00:22:29.600 Near Snowden.
00:22:30.780 Oh, me too.
00:22:31.720 Near Snowden, Delhi, yes.
00:22:32.960 So that's where my parents had their first date, is Snowden, Delhi.
00:22:36.580 And so it was just part of our life, it's how my parents raised us.
00:22:41.500 And of course, you know, I've been taught about the Holocaust
00:22:45.740 and anti-Semitism and all the terrible parts of human history 0.71
00:22:51.060 and, but I, I may not look like it now, but I was in the punk scene
00:22:56.220 in Calgary in high school.
00:22:58.180 I had my own record label and a band and I put on shows
00:23:02.420 and there was one show we did at the University of Calgary
00:23:06.400 we were opening for this well-known British punk band called 999
00:23:11.000 so it was like a big deal for us, we were pretty excited
00:23:13.760 so we played our set and then we climbed down off the stage
00:23:18.060 and got into the crowd with our buddies
00:23:20.720 and one of my friends tapped me on the shoulder
00:23:24.380 and he said, there's some guys over there making Nazi salutes
00:23:28.660 and I said to him, that's not possible
00:23:31.600 like, that's crazy
00:23:34.320 so I worked my way through the crowd over to the side
00:23:38.400 and there were in fact three guys, big guys
00:23:42.220 shaved heads, suspenders, jeans, t-shirts
00:23:45.940 Doc Martin booths, colored laces
00:23:48.500 one of them was wearing a t-shirt that said
00:23:51.740 drown the boat people 1.00
00:23:52.820 and at that point in our history
00:23:57.300 we were accepting refugees from Cambodia
00:24:00.340 Late 70s?
00:24:01.400 Yeah, late 70s, early 80s
00:24:03.440 and so I went up to the guy in the t-shirt
00:24:08.260 and so I won't use his language
00:24:11.760 but I said, you should stop 0.99
00:24:14.500 and he said, F you, Jew 0.94
00:24:18.100 and I said, you should stop 1.00
00:24:21.760 and he said, F you, Jew
00:24:24.820 and I said, I'm not a Jew 0.96
00:24:26.420 I'm Irish and I'm Catholic and you should stop
00:24:29.940 so he took a swing at me
00:24:31.940 so a fight started
00:24:33.060 and my buddies were with me
00:24:37.720 so we beat them
00:24:38.860 so they retreated 0.93
00:24:41.500 licking their wounds
00:24:43.220 and so we went back to enjoying the show
00:24:46.680 and after the show
00:24:48.840 we came out through the doors
00:24:50.340 and these guys, these skinheads
00:24:53.660 were sitting on the stairs
00:24:55.140 and the guy in the t-shirt pointed at me
00:25:01.520 he said, we'll be back
00:25:03.440 and so what I discovered
00:25:05.880 in the intervening years
00:25:07.220 as a citizen, as a lawyer
00:25:09.140 as a political advisor
00:25:12.120 is they never really went away
00:25:14.400 they diminished somewhat
00:25:18.580 at different times
00:25:20.220 but then they usually come back
00:25:22.780 and what was extraordinary
00:25:24.560 was October 7th, 2023
00:25:26.700 when they came roaring back
00:25:29.940 on that day
00:25:31.800 on the day when the world
00:25:34.180 should have been sympathetic
00:25:35.440 towards the obvious victims
00:25:37.960 of that day
00:25:38.800 which is the people of Israel
00:25:41.580 citizens
00:25:42.240 just citizens, civilians
00:25:44.240 and it was an explosion
00:25:47.700 of anti-Semitism
00:25:48.560 that hasn't subsided since
00:25:50.300 When you say they
00:25:52.560 who do you mean
00:25:53.280 obviously it's more than skinheads
00:25:56.180 They become organized
00:25:58.960 they become well-funded
00:26:00.360 they become bolder
00:26:03.160 and they become much more effective
00:26:05.680 than what I experienced
00:26:07.060 so many years ago
00:26:08.160 with a group of skinheads
00:26:10.520 they, in this case
00:26:12.900 I liken them to a political campaign
00:26:14.820 because my background
00:26:15.800 I run political campaigns
00:26:17.740 I worked for Prime Minister Kretzian
00:26:19.400 ran his war rooms
00:26:21.320 and I know a campaign
00:26:24.160 when I see it
00:26:25.120 when it has money
00:26:27.000 and when it has organization
00:26:28.460 it has people
00:26:29.460 it has leadership
00:26:30.360 it has messages
00:26:31.340 it has strategy
00:26:32.540 and this campaign
00:26:34.660 against Israel 0.70
00:26:35.700 and the West
00:26:36.500 has that in abundance
00:26:38.400 so the they
00:26:39.960 if you use that
00:26:41.280 metaphor of a political campaign
00:26:43.540 the campaign manager
00:26:45.520 is Iran
00:26:46.220 the banker is Qatar
00:26:48.860 and various NGOs
00:26:50.420 and non-profits
00:26:51.740 and charities
00:26:52.760 here in the West
00:26:53.900 the rank and file
00:26:56.660 are young people
00:26:58.560 principally
00:26:59.200 Gen Z 0.62
00:26:59.800 so from about the ages
00:27:01.520 of 18 to 24
00:27:02.980 or millennials
00:27:04.360 from about the age
00:27:05.320 of 25 to 39
00:27:06.780 those are the two demographics
00:27:09.060 with which this campaign
00:27:11.000 has been
00:27:11.980 been most successful
00:27:13.760 who have bought into
00:27:15.360 this false notion
00:27:17.000 that Israel is an apartheid 0.90
00:27:19.660 fascist 1.00
00:27:21.180 white supremacist state 0.99
00:27:22.840 and
00:27:24.420 that's when I became
00:27:26.920 even more active
00:27:27.980 with the book
00:27:28.620 that I've written
00:27:29.620 with the documentary
00:27:30.640 that we're finishing
00:27:31.960 and then with this group
00:27:33.820 I've got called
00:27:34.660 Facts Matter
00:27:35.280 to Fight Antisemitism
00:27:36.440 to push back
00:27:38.240 because I know
00:27:38.780 how to do that
00:27:39.420 I know how to run a campaign
00:27:40.720 so I decided
00:27:42.060 I'm not going to wait
00:27:43.020 for somebody else to do it
00:27:44.260 I'm going to do this
00:27:45.180 what made you
00:27:46.740 do it to such an extent
00:27:49.080 let's say
00:27:49.820 I've had Holocaust survivors
00:27:52.840 come up to me
00:27:53.740 you know
00:27:53.960 I'll speak at a synagogue
00:27:54.900 or something
00:27:55.480 and they'll ask me that
00:27:56.740 and the question
00:27:58.440 kind of bugs me sometimes
00:27:59.600 because
00:28:00.140 it's like
00:28:01.420 well
00:28:01.700 why isn't everybody else
00:28:03.500 doing it
00:28:04.240 to me
00:28:04.720 is really the question
00:28:05.980 where did everybody go
00:28:07.300 and
00:28:08.660 you know
00:28:09.260 for me as I said
00:28:10.100 it's how I was brought up
00:28:11.580 it's what I experienced
00:28:12.780 I saw it
00:28:13.420 it moved from
00:28:14.420 the theoretical
00:28:15.600 it moved from the academic
00:28:17.020 you know
00:28:18.320 in my history books
00:28:20.020 in high school
00:28:20.820 to flesh and blood
00:28:22.920 that night
00:28:23.940 in Calgary
00:28:25.040 but also
00:28:27.860 you know
00:28:29.160 my faith is part of it
00:28:30.520 you know
00:28:31.140 in my faith
00:28:33.100 I'm taught
00:28:33.680 that anti-Semitism
00:28:35.100 is a sin against God
00:28:36.860 it's the most serious sin
00:28:39.060 that there is
00:28:39.980 and you know
00:28:42.820 for me
00:28:43.300 I think the morality
00:28:44.360 of it is
00:28:45.260 the Jewish people
00:28:46.840 are a minority
00:28:48.260 that have been
00:28:48.960 the victim of history
00:28:50.040 and
00:28:51.240 I just got fed up
00:28:53.420 I just had it
00:28:54.940 and so
00:28:56.240 I know how to run campaigns
00:28:57.940 I know how to fight back
00:28:59.480 I'm not afraid to fight back
00:29:01.600 and so that's why
00:29:02.600 I wrote the book
00:29:03.820 and did the documentary
00:29:04.840 and I'm doing the group
00:29:05.920 Facts Matter
00:29:06.680 because I've just had it
00:29:08.940 and I'm going to push back
00:29:10.440 this has all come
00:29:12.100 with a personal cost to you
00:29:15.400 what have you faced
00:29:17.400 as a result of this
00:29:18.880 there's been death threats
00:29:21.080 and bomb threats
00:29:22.860 and
00:29:23.540 attacks on my children
00:29:26.740 all kinds of stuff
00:29:29.340 but it's nothing compared
00:29:30.380 to what
00:29:30.980 my friends
00:29:32.840 in the Jewish community
00:29:34.860 are experiencing
00:29:35.640 they're experiencing it
00:29:37.480 in a much more
00:29:38.340 personal way
00:29:39.600 much more profound way
00:29:41.220 so I don't ever
00:29:42.740 complain about it
00:29:43.980 I'm careful
00:29:45.880 you know
00:29:46.540 I take steps
00:29:47.520 you know
00:29:48.520 I own guns
00:29:49.440 I know how to
00:29:50.480 protect myself
00:29:51.400 and it's sad
00:29:52.740 that it has come
00:29:53.740 to that
00:29:54.640 but
00:29:55.800 this is the world
00:29:57.800 that we live in
00:29:58.600 you know
00:29:58.880 when you look at
00:29:59.420 what happened
00:30:00.040 to that young couple
00:30:01.840 in Washington
00:30:02.740 to those elderly citizens
00:30:05.580 going to just
00:30:07.400 call for the release
00:30:08.920 of the hostages
00:30:09.840 in Boulder
00:30:10.620 one of them being killed
00:30:11.880 we live in a dangerous 0.92
00:30:13.840 and dark time
00:30:14.640 and so people have to be careful
00:30:17.400 but what I experience
00:30:18.420 is nothing compared
00:30:19.380 to what my Jewish friends experience
00:30:21.440 what is your reaction
00:30:23.240 to the way
00:30:24.080 police are handling this
00:30:26.860 the way governments
00:30:27.960 are responding to it
00:30:29.660 depends where you are
00:30:31.160 depends on the circumstances
00:30:33.120 that's a lawyer's answer
00:30:35.060 forgive me
00:30:35.820 but for example
00:30:37.640 there's a group here in Toronto
00:30:40.500 called Art House Teal
00:30:42.340 and they style themselves
00:30:44.820 as a community center
00:30:46.280 so they put up
00:30:47.340 on their Instagram page
00:30:48.740 a graphic
00:30:52.200 of an IDF soldier's helmet
00:30:54.360 with a skull within it
00:30:57.100 and a bullet hole
00:30:58.460 with blood coming out of it
00:30:59.680 and the caption they put on it
00:31:01.680 was death to the IDF
00:31:03.340 which is what Bob Villan
00:31:04.820 a rap group in Britain
00:31:06.780 had said at Glastonbury
00:31:08.280 just a few days before
00:31:09.780 so I decided
00:31:12.800 it's not enough
00:31:13.920 just to put up a tweet
00:31:15.040 objecting to it
00:31:16.080 so I wrote to the police
00:31:17.620 I wrote to the Toronto Police Service
00:31:19.160 and I'll give them credit
00:31:21.260 I've been critical of them
00:31:23.220 but they were meeting
00:31:24.640 with a member of my staff
00:31:26.160 within an hour
00:31:27.880 and they've now opened
00:31:29.540 a criminal investigation
00:31:30.580 so that's a good example
00:31:33.700 of them acting
00:31:35.560 same police force
00:31:37.240 at the start of all of this
00:31:39.420 protests in the Eaton Center
00:31:43.120 terrorizing families there
00:31:45.860 to see Santa Claus
00:31:47.420 and one of these guys
00:31:50.380 wearing a mask
00:31:51.320 a thug
00:31:52.140 and saying 0.99
00:31:53.160 I'm going to put you
00:31:53.860 six feet under 0.62
00:31:54.520 right in front of the police
00:31:56.140 right in front of a group
00:31:58.640 of police officers
00:31:59.520 and they did nothing
00:32:00.840 so that
00:32:02.280 like there's this range
00:32:03.820 where some days
00:32:05.160 they wake up
00:32:06.360 and other days
00:32:07.620 it's like
00:32:08.060 where did they go
00:32:08.880 where are the prosecutors
00:32:10.440 where are the police
00:32:11.440 where are the politicians
00:32:12.660 they're gone
00:32:13.760 and what
00:32:15.260 they should know
00:32:16.700 by now
00:32:17.400 is
00:32:18.480 what I've experienced
00:32:19.720 what I've learned
00:32:20.380 is that these people
00:32:21.260 are very organized
00:32:22.400 they've got money
00:32:24.080 they've got an army
00:32:25.760 to do their bidding
00:32:27.080 to promote anti-Semitism
00:32:28.580 and hatred
00:32:29.300 they're not going away
00:32:30.780 if anything
00:32:32.060 the inability
00:32:33.840 or the reluctance
00:32:35.000 of the police
00:32:35.680 to arrest them
00:32:36.680 and deal with
00:32:38.380 what is
00:32:39.340 violations of the law
00:32:41.100 is emboldening them
00:32:43.120 they're getting more
00:32:44.440 and more
00:32:44.820 well of course
00:32:45.660 the excuse
00:32:47.440 or the explanation
00:32:48.880 from the police
00:32:49.680 is always
00:32:50.400 well
00:32:51.280 sometimes we have
00:32:52.540 to de-escalate
00:32:53.620 sometimes we are
00:32:55.200 way outnumbered
00:32:56.380 by these people
00:32:57.860 protesting
00:32:58.580 there are protests
00:33:00.560 every weekend
00:33:01.900 shutting down highways
00:33:04.780 shutting down roads
00:33:06.520 intimidating people
00:33:08.220 in the Jewish community
00:33:09.420 the principle of the law
00:33:11.420 of the criminal law
00:33:12.500 is deterrence
00:33:13.360 judges say that
00:33:15.120 when they're about
00:33:15.620 to pass sentence
00:33:16.400 about whatever the
00:33:17.360 conviction has been
00:33:18.900 to deter others
00:33:20.740 from doing the same thing
00:33:22.200 and that's not happening
00:33:23.720 here
00:33:24.040 and it's not just
00:33:24.660 the police
00:33:25.300 it's the prosecutors
00:33:26.420 who make the decision
00:33:27.440 to lay the charges
00:33:29.720 and initiate the prosecution
00:33:31.320 it's the politicians
00:33:32.760 who give the policy
00:33:33.920 to the police
00:33:34.820 all of them
00:33:35.940 are culpable
00:33:36.660 all of them
00:33:37.800 are negligent
00:33:38.680 in some way
00:33:39.700 now there's some places
00:33:41.160 where they do better
00:33:42.920 than others
00:33:43.320 the mayor of Ottawa
00:33:44.160 for example
00:33:44.840 there have been
00:33:46.080 two attempts
00:33:46.880 two mass casualty
00:33:48.460 conspiracies
00:33:49.960 against Jews 1.00
00:33:50.960 in the city of Ottawa
00:33:52.360 they've been stopped
00:33:53.100 by the RCMP
00:33:53.840 and the mayor there
00:33:55.340 has been terrific
00:33:56.320 you know
00:33:57.280 unlike in Toronto
00:33:58.440 where Olivia Chow
00:33:59.400 refuses to attend
00:34:00.640 the simple lifting
00:34:02.600 of the Israeli flag
00:34:03.840 which is the tradition here
00:34:05.120 on one day
00:34:06.120 he
00:34:07.100 the bureaucrats
00:34:08.560 in Ottawa
00:34:09.020 said oh we don't
00:34:09.800 want to show it
00:34:10.500 he said no
00:34:11.280 we're going to have
00:34:12.320 that event
00:34:12.820 I'm going to show up
00:34:13.840 so there is
00:34:14.960 some leadership
00:34:15.780 she is not a friend
00:34:17.280 of the Jewish community
00:34:18.420 I mean at the beginning
00:34:20.340 we kind of assumed
00:34:21.940 well her supporters
00:34:23.980 her fellow travelers
00:34:25.780 are very anti-Israelis
00:34:27.400 the unions
00:34:28.040 Fred Hahn
00:34:29.220 it's certain communities
00:34:33.760 but now people
00:34:36.440 are wondering
00:34:37.020 is she herself
00:34:38.880 an anti-Semite
00:34:40.220 and she
00:34:41.120 you know
00:34:41.740 the flank
00:34:43.020 something like the flank
00:34:44.100 that's symbolic
00:34:44.960 okay
00:34:46.140 but
00:34:47.380 there was one occasion
00:34:49.340 where
00:34:49.820 I think
00:34:50.440 the veil dropped
00:34:52.080 and we got to see
00:34:53.820 who she really is
00:34:55.040 and that was when
00:34:56.580 finally
00:34:57.300 like many other jurisdictions
00:34:59.440 finally
00:35:00.380 Toronto decided
00:35:01.460 it needed a bubble law 0.91
00:35:03.040 we have had
00:35:04.000 synagogues fire bombed 0.98
00:35:05.360 we have
00:35:06.220 schools
00:35:07.700 for little kids
00:35:09.480 that have been shot up
00:35:11.700 once
00:35:12.520 twice
00:35:13.100 three times
00:35:13.900 we have had
00:35:14.900 death threats
00:35:15.740 we have had
00:35:16.860 arsons
00:35:17.680 we need to protect
00:35:19.960 those places
00:35:21.540 we need to protect
00:35:22.520 those places of worship
00:35:23.740 she voted against it
00:35:26.320 the mayor of Toronto
00:35:28.700 voted against it
00:35:29.960 that to me
00:35:31.520 was when she was
00:35:32.820 beyond redemption
00:35:33.900 that was when
00:35:35.540 she showed us
00:35:36.740 who she really is
00:35:37.980 and
00:35:39.360 the federal government
00:35:41.020 now says
00:35:41.620 it is going to do that
00:35:42.620 we have got other places
00:35:43.680 like in Vaughan
00:35:44.620 Stephen Del Duca
00:35:46.680 Brampton
00:35:48.060 it is happening
00:35:49.320 Patrick Brown
00:35:50.260 those are
00:35:51.700 that is all good
00:35:52.660 but
00:35:53.640 you know
00:35:54.400 as a society
00:35:55.460 as a people
00:35:56.240 as a country
00:35:56.920 we need to address
00:35:58.120 what is clearly
00:35:59.020 a big problem
00:36:00.200 that has just been
00:36:00.880 getting worse
00:36:01.460 well
00:36:02.280 again
00:36:03.340 with the bubble laws
00:36:04.840 so
00:36:05.220 it was passed
00:36:06.620 but it is being
00:36:07.600 basically
00:36:08.140 slow walked
00:36:09.700 apparently
00:36:10.740 apparently the places
00:36:11.400 of worship
00:36:11.980 have to apply
00:36:13.160 to be covered
00:36:14.400 and
00:36:15.280 there is no one
00:36:16.860 assigned to enforcement
00:36:18.020 so
00:36:18.520 what is the point
00:36:19.560 yeah
00:36:19.920 and the civil libertarians
00:36:21.020 of course are against it
00:36:22.160 but they are against
00:36:23.580 everything that is
00:36:24.380 commonsensical
00:36:25.280 but
00:36:26.280 you know
00:36:28.260 the notion
00:36:29.080 as you point out
00:36:30.040 that they should have
00:36:31.100 to apply for protection
00:36:32.560 it's like
00:36:33.600 it's a synagogue
00:36:34.340 we don't need
00:36:35.440 to have them
00:36:36.620 apply
00:36:37.120 to prove
00:36:38.000 that they are a synagogue
00:36:38.780 they are a synagogue 0.54
00:36:39.520 and like 1.00
00:36:40.440 to attack people
00:36:41.720 like in Vancouver
00:36:42.580 there was an attack
00:36:43.520 on the synagogue
00:36:44.140 there
00:36:44.620 it was fire bombed
00:36:46.220 they threw
00:36:47.260 Molotov cocktails
00:36:48.480 at the door
00:36:49.220 of the synagogue
00:36:49.820 while people
00:36:51.480 were inside
00:36:52.320 at prayer
00:36:52.900 at their most
00:36:54.680 vulnerable
00:36:55.300 and
00:36:57.280 that's not
00:36:58.480 Canada
00:36:59.000 that's not
00:37:00.240 who we are
00:37:01.100 that's what
00:37:01.520 we get told
00:37:02.120 we keep saying
00:37:03.740 that's not
00:37:04.360 this is not
00:37:05.240 Canada
00:37:05.640 sorry
00:37:06.400 it is
00:37:07.080 and
00:37:07.700 in
00:37:08.340 you know
00:37:09.400 Vancouver
00:37:10.000 synagogue
00:37:10.660 firebomb
00:37:11.840 in Edmonton
00:37:13.220 somebody walking
00:37:14.160 into city council
00:37:15.520 with a gun
00:37:16.280 Winnipeg 1.00
00:37:17.460 the homes of Jews 0.66
00:37:18.680 being shot up
00:37:19.920 Montreal 0.78
00:37:20.820 an imam
00:37:21.960 standing up
00:37:22.560 in front of
00:37:22.960 20,000 people
00:37:23.820 saying
00:37:24.260 God Allah 0.99
00:37:25.480 killed the Jews 1.00
00:37:26.560 and in Toronto 0.99
00:37:27.820 we've had
00:37:28.420 incident after incident
00:37:29.680 we have a big problem
00:37:31.600 and that's why
00:37:33.020 what I do
00:37:33.980 and what I encourage
00:37:34.700 everybody to do
00:37:35.700 is don't relent
00:37:37.280 I understand
00:37:38.220 it's depressing
00:37:38.980 but don't give up
00:37:40.560 we have to keep pushing
00:37:41.900 the police
00:37:42.560 and the prosecutors
00:37:43.400 and the politicians
00:37:44.500 we have to keep pushing
00:37:46.160 for a lot of us
00:37:47.940 it seems
00:37:48.840 the government
00:37:50.000 is on side with this
00:37:51.340 I mean
00:37:52.700 in terms of
00:37:54.160 the liberals
00:37:54.760 and I know
00:37:55.880 you used to be a liberal
00:37:57.160 I'm not sure
00:37:57.940 where you're at
00:37:58.680 exactly right now
00:37:59.680 you have no home
00:38:00.180 you have no home
00:38:01.580 right now
00:38:02.260 but
00:38:03.700 they are
00:38:04.960 just pandering
00:38:06.360 to some
00:38:07.780 immigrant communities
00:38:09.000 that come from places
00:38:10.180 where anti-Semitism
00:38:11.520 is endemic
00:38:13.000 so
00:38:14.560 it's a political
00:38:16.580 calculus
00:38:17.720 I don't know
00:38:19.540 the new foreign minister
00:38:20.580 Anita Anand
00:38:21.260 she's very anti-Israel
00:38:22.800 as far as I can see
00:38:24.060 I think it's
00:38:25.640 I think some of them
00:38:27.060 I don't know
00:38:27.660 if it's all of them
00:38:28.420 made a crass
00:38:30.140 cynical calculation
00:38:32.560 and they said
00:38:33.880 okay
00:38:34.140 we've got 400,000 Jews
00:38:36.040 in this country
00:38:36.780 and we've got four times
00:38:38.720 as many Muslims 0.96
00:38:39.600 and we're going
00:38:42.280 to do it this way
00:38:43.960 so whenever there was
00:38:45.760 an example
00:38:47.180 of anti-Semitic crime
00:38:48.320 they'd deplore that
00:38:49.780 but then they'd deplore
00:38:51.040 Islamophobia
00:38:51.980 as well
00:38:52.660 in the same breath
00:38:53.580 like you couldn't
00:38:54.440 say anything
00:38:55.600 against an incident
00:38:57.460 of anti-Semitism
00:38:58.420 without saying
00:38:59.340 something
00:38:59.900 against Islamophobia
00:39:03.420 and believe me
00:39:04.460 I'm not in favor
00:39:06.060 of Islamophobia
00:39:07.100 but the scales
00:39:08.600 are very imbalanced 1.00
00:39:09.820 and because I'm out there
00:39:11.360 you know
00:39:11.780 with my book
00:39:12.460 with the documentary
00:39:13.280 and with this group
00:39:14.300 that I lead
00:39:14.860 I hear from Muslims
00:39:16.740 I hear from Muslims
00:39:18.460 all the time
00:39:19.160 and what they say
00:39:20.760 to me is
00:39:21.780 Warren
00:39:22.380 we object
00:39:23.300 to what is happening
00:39:24.680 to the Jewish people
00:39:25.860 but we object to it
00:39:27.340 because it's destroying
00:39:28.400 the reputation
00:39:28.960 of our faith
00:39:29.960 and then I say
00:39:31.360 to them
00:39:31.540 well why don't you speak up
00:39:32.780 and they say
00:39:33.460 you don't understand
00:39:34.480 what will happen
00:39:36.360 to us
00:39:36.920 if we speak up 0.98
00:39:37.880 they'll kill us 0.99
00:39:39.720 they will kill us 1.00
00:39:41.300 or our families 1.00
00:39:42.160 so
00:39:43.100 there is real fear
00:39:44.700 who's they?
00:39:46.020 there is a constituency
00:39:47.400 now
00:39:48.040 that's active here
00:39:48.920 as it is throughout
00:39:50.120 western democracy
00:39:51.200 and you know
00:39:53.100 they're funded
00:39:53.640 by this alphabet soup
00:39:55.860 of charities
00:39:56.880 and NGOs
00:39:57.840 and non-profits
00:39:58.700 like Samadoun
00:39:59.720 Samadoun
00:40:00.700 for example
00:40:01.360 Samadoun
00:40:01.860 is based
00:40:02.540 in Vancouver
00:40:04.360 Samadoun
00:40:05.460 yeah
00:40:05.640 and they
00:40:06.780 are now designated
00:40:09.000 as a terrorist entity
00:40:10.360 but they openly
00:40:11.980 promoted Hamas 0.91
00:40:13.400 in particular
00:40:14.300 and Hezbollah
00:40:15.080 as well
00:40:15.600 for years
00:40:16.640 for years
00:40:17.680 their leader
00:40:18.380 Charlotte Kate
00:40:19.460 stood on the stairs
00:40:20.940 of the Vancouver
00:40:22.300 Art Gallery
00:40:23.280 the day after
00:40:25.400 October 7th
00:40:26.960 you know
00:40:27.200 where 1200
00:40:27.860 innocent men
00:40:29.640 women 1.00
00:40:29.900 children
00:40:30.300 and babies
00:40:31.320 were slaughtered 0.75
00:40:33.040 and Israeli women
00:40:34.380 and girls 0.86
00:40:35.080 sexually violated 0.83
00:40:36.540 thousands wounded
00:40:38.780 just a terrible day
00:40:41.900 and she
00:40:42.480 paid tribute to it
00:40:44.320 for months
00:40:45.660 afterwards
00:40:46.540 the Canadian government
00:40:47.560 the federal government
00:40:48.240 the Trudeau government
00:40:49.040 which had given her
00:40:50.620 non-profit status
00:40:52.880 you get all kinds
00:40:55.720 of tax benefits
00:40:56.600 from that
00:40:57.240 and so on
00:40:57.900 they let her
00:40:59.040 continue to operate
00:41:00.180 she traveled to
00:41:01.140 Iran
00:41:01.840 to receive an award
00:41:03.440 a human rights award
00:41:04.720 from the number one
00:41:06.740 violator of human rights
00:41:08.440 in the world
00:41:08.860 it's absurd
00:41:09.640 Canada is now
00:41:11.520 considered to have
00:41:12.660 one of the worst
00:41:13.760 anti-Semitism
00:41:14.500 problems
00:41:15.280 in the world
00:41:16.020 the worst
00:41:16.880 the United States
00:41:17.780 followed by Europe
00:41:19.240 and third
00:41:20.620 is Canada
00:41:21.580 Canada
00:41:22.920 statistically
00:41:24.040 numerically
00:41:25.020 if you look at crime
00:41:26.400 you look at
00:41:27.480 anti-Semitic incidents
00:41:29.620 from vandalism
00:41:30.840 to threats
00:41:31.520 and so on
00:41:32.060 we're
00:41:33.000 in the top
00:41:34.560 three
00:41:35.020 for being the worst
00:41:36.120 but where else
00:41:36.780 is there
00:41:37.200 I mean
00:41:37.500 you're talking about
00:41:38.220 most of the world
00:41:39.040 that's not
00:41:40.340 part of the Muslim world
00:41:41.520 no in the west
00:41:42.460 but even in the Muslim world
00:41:44.500 you know
00:41:45.140 some of these things
00:41:48.420 are not permitted
00:41:49.280 you know
00:41:49.740 in Germany
00:41:50.380 and France
00:41:51.000 you're not allowed
00:41:51.660 to stand up
00:41:52.580 and promote Hamas 0.86
00:41:53.840 in Britain now
00:41:54.820 if you promote
00:41:55.860 Palestine action
00:41:56.960 as Roger Waters did
00:41:58.360 you know
00:41:58.880 a member of Pink Floyd
00:42:00.060 he's now facing
00:42:01.320 prosecution for that
00:42:02.560 like we have laws
00:42:03.940 like we don't
00:42:04.900 you know
00:42:05.160 people say to me
00:42:05.760 all the time
00:42:06.060 we need a new law
00:42:06.960 I say no we don't
00:42:08.480 we don't
00:42:09.100 we have section 319
00:42:10.740 of the criminal code
00:42:11.740 promoting
00:42:12.720 willfully promoting
00:42:13.740 hatred against
00:42:14.420 an identifiable group
00:42:15.440 in this case Jews 0.55
00:42:16.440 we have section 320
00:42:18.080 willfully promoting
00:42:19.520 genocide
00:42:20.140 against an identifiable group
00:42:22.240 we have laws in place
00:42:24.520 to deal with the problem
00:42:26.140 we've got
00:42:26.760 what we lack
00:42:28.180 is the will
00:42:29.380 among police
00:42:30.900 and prosecutors
00:42:32.360 and politicians
00:42:33.240 to deal with
00:42:34.720 what is an obvious
00:42:35.800 and growing problem
00:42:36.960 how can we be sure
00:42:38.860 that it is
00:42:39.620 seen as a problem
00:42:42.720 or this is
00:42:44.000 the new direction
00:42:45.020 this is the new Canada
00:42:46.520 we have to
00:42:47.800 we as depressing
00:42:49.240 it is
00:42:49.740 as exhausting
00:42:50.640 as it is
00:42:51.380 we can't give up
00:42:52.420 we have to keep
00:42:53.440 pushing
00:42:54.080 you know
00:42:54.540 for example
00:42:55.140 if I were
00:42:56.460 Pierre Polyev
00:42:57.360 getting back
00:42:58.100 into the House of Commons
00:42:59.220 one of my first questions
00:43:01.040 would be
00:43:01.660 to the Prime Minister
00:43:02.700 Justin Trudeau
00:43:04.660 was the only
00:43:05.640 world leader
00:43:06.640 to never travel
00:43:07.900 to Israel
00:43:08.600 after October 7th
00:43:10.620 to stand in solidarity
00:43:12.000 with the people of Israel
00:43:13.240 not the government of Israel
00:43:14.380 just the Israelis 0.56
00:43:15.820 who were slaughtered
00:43:16.780 on that day
00:43:17.420 Trudeau didn't go
00:43:18.680 he was the only one
00:43:19.660 Mark Carney
00:43:20.720 is still not gone
00:43:21.760 he needs to do that
00:43:23.800 that would be the question
00:43:25.060 I would ask of him
00:43:26.240 he has come out
00:43:28.380 condemning
00:43:30.320 Israel
00:43:31.500 I mean
00:43:32.100 the whole question
00:43:34.080 maybe we'll get into it later
00:43:35.940 of Benjamin Netanyahu
00:43:37.960 and his role
00:43:39.560 in all of this
00:43:40.480 and there's a lot
00:43:41.500 of opposition to him
00:43:42.740 and not that I
00:43:45.040 have anything
00:43:45.700 to say
00:43:46.600 about what happens
00:43:47.420 in Israel
00:43:48.000 but
00:43:48.680 like many other people
00:43:50.720 I'm
00:43:51.160 very opposed
00:43:52.360 to what he's doing
00:43:53.820 but
00:43:55.320 the response
00:43:57.740 from the Carney
00:43:58.400 government
00:43:58.860 seems to be
00:44:00.800 beyond
00:44:01.720 and look what happened
00:44:03.340 when they did that
00:44:04.140 when Carney issued
00:44:05.620 that statement
00:44:06.420 in both official languages
00:44:08.460 accusing
00:44:09.360 Israel
00:44:10.580 of violating
00:44:11.460 international law
00:44:12.620 and I presumed
00:44:14.540 when I saw it
00:44:15.440 I wrote a column
00:44:16.180 about it
00:44:16.520 for Post Media
00:44:17.280 about the right to food
00:44:19.040 and it is true
00:44:20.240 people have a right
00:44:21.740 to be fed
00:44:22.360 and not starved to death
00:44:23.400 that is true
00:44:24.360 of all peoples
00:44:25.100 Palestinian, Israelis, Canadians
00:44:26.980 that's what he was referring to
00:44:29.380 but what was the consequence
00:44:30.720 of him doing that
00:44:31.920 along with other countries
00:44:33.220 at that time
00:44:33.880 Hamas pulled out
00:44:35.520 of the ceasefire talks
00:44:36.960 that were being presided
00:44:38.780 over by Qatar
00:44:40.100 and the United States
00:44:41.580 and Israel
00:44:42.140 they pulled out
00:44:43.220 because it emboldened them
00:44:44.780 they said look
00:44:45.660 you know
00:44:46.520 we got all these countries
00:44:47.580 in the world
00:44:48.140 condemning Israel 0.86
00:44:49.020 we don't have to take
00:44:50.280 this process seriously
00:44:51.500 and meanwhile
00:44:52.620 the hostages
00:44:53.740 50 of them
00:44:55.180 many of them still alive
00:44:57.220 continue to be
00:44:58.720 in these horrible conditions
00:45:00.420 unreleased
00:45:01.460 you know
00:45:01.760 their families
00:45:02.380 waiting for them
00:45:03.020 to come home
00:45:03.580 so even a country
00:45:05.920 like Canada
00:45:06.660 that diplomatically
00:45:07.760 and militarily
00:45:08.660 is of little consequence
00:45:10.480 these days
00:45:11.400 we can have an impact
00:45:13.440 that would be quite damaging
00:45:14.740 and that was an instance
00:45:16.260 the example you give
00:45:17.800 that's an example
00:45:18.820 of how we damaged
00:45:20.500 the situation
00:45:21.900 in the Middle East
00:45:22.720 okay
00:45:24.020 but on the other hand
00:45:25.360 all of this
00:45:27.420 chorus of condemnation
00:45:29.100 did make way
00:45:31.280 for a bit of an increase
00:45:33.000 in food aid
00:45:34.740 but you know
00:45:35.860 the point I made
00:45:36.780 and I got
00:45:37.220 lots of attacks
00:45:38.700 from anti-Semites
00:45:39.600 for it
00:45:40.000 there were more than
00:45:41.200 a thousand trucks
00:45:42.420 idling in Israel
00:45:43.640 been idling there
00:45:44.520 for days
00:45:45.060 and the aid
00:45:47.920 was paid for
00:45:49.200 and brought there
00:45:49.900 by Israel
00:45:50.500 and the United States
00:45:51.320 not Canada
00:45:53.160 Israel and the United States
00:45:55.160 sitting there
00:45:56.400 rotting in the sun
00:45:57.840 the flour
00:45:58.740 and the rice
00:45:59.520 and the
00:46:00.120 all of the food
00:46:02.100 that was brought there
00:46:03.180 the United Nations
00:46:04.920 on the record
00:46:06.020 right out in the open
00:46:07.000 and I quoted them
00:46:08.340 in a column I did
00:46:09.300 refused to distribute it
00:46:11.500 their excuse was
00:46:13.340 well we don't need more layers
00:46:14.800 of bureaucracy
00:46:15.500 we have
00:46:16.680 it's now
00:46:17.500 everybody accepts
00:46:18.840 including the government
00:46:19.960 of Israel
00:46:20.640 that there are people
00:46:22.420 facing terrible
00:46:23.920 a terrible crisis
00:46:25.120 a hunger crisis
00:46:26.180 famine
00:46:26.960 and malnutrition
00:46:27.980 in parts of Gaza
00:46:29.960 not all of Gaza
00:46:31.040 and that food
00:46:33.100 needs to be delivered
00:46:34.240 why is Canada
00:46:36.140 not saying
00:46:36.880 to the United Nations
00:46:37.900 to UNRWA
00:46:38.720 we pay for you
00:46:40.800 we pay your salaries
00:46:41.980 distribute that
00:46:43.280 food
00:46:43.740 but they're not doing it
00:46:45.440 okay let's leave aside
00:46:47.160 the role of the Israeli government
00:46:49.640 in all of this
00:46:51.140 let's get back to Canada
00:46:52.400 so
00:46:52.840 I want to talk about
00:46:54.900 the union movement
00:46:56.660 the union
00:46:57.520 CUPE
00:46:58.280 represents
00:47:00.020 government workers
00:47:01.580 and
00:47:02.380 the president of CUPE Ontario
00:47:04.520 Fred Hahn
00:47:05.420 celebrating
00:47:06.700 October the 7th
00:47:08.320 not
00:47:09.300 really
00:47:10.040 walking back
00:47:11.100 from anything
00:47:11.980 and he
00:47:12.940 is confirmed
00:47:14.040 in his position
00:47:15.120 how does that happen
00:47:16.900 I've talked to members
00:47:18.200 of CUPE
00:47:18.740 who I promised
00:47:19.760 anonymity
00:47:20.540 and I should say
00:47:21.660 full disclosure
00:47:22.240 I present
00:47:22.900 a public service union
00:47:24.700 Leuna
00:47:25.220 and Leuna
00:47:26.060 has been at the forefront
00:47:27.380 the Mancinelli family
00:47:29.820 fighting anti-Semitism
00:47:31.260 they've been doing that
00:47:32.060 for years
00:47:32.580 so it's not all unions
00:47:34.160 but it's certainly CUPE
00:47:35.400 and
00:47:36.680 you know
00:47:38.360 I said to the members
00:47:39.300 who have spoken to me
00:47:40.280 who are very upset
00:47:41.040 about what is going on
00:47:42.300 like how is this happening
00:47:43.940 and they said
00:47:45.000 you know
00:47:45.220 1% or 2%
00:47:47.040 of the membership
00:47:47.700 show up for their
00:47:48.620 policy conventions
00:47:49.640 and then they come up
00:47:50.980 with these insane policies
00:47:52.260 including
00:47:53.020 even worse
00:47:54.540 than Fred Hahn
00:47:55.800 kind of shrugging
00:47:57.660 about the atrocities
00:47:59.060 of October 7th
00:48:00.680 after the Americans 0.98
00:48:02.940 brought their overdue
00:48:06.120 and necessary military action
00:48:07.840 against Iran 0.78
00:48:08.900 to prevent their development
00:48:10.620 of nuclear weapons
00:48:11.900 Hahn and CUPE
00:48:14.980 participated in a protest
00:48:16.740 in support of Iran
00:48:18.580 at the American consulate
00:48:20.220 here in Toronto
00:48:20.980 and like it was extraordinary
00:48:24.280 hands off Iran 1.00
00:48:26.100 it was a poster
00:48:27.120 they generated
00:48:27.920 with CUPE's logo
00:48:29.200 down at the bottom
00:48:30.200 at that point
00:48:31.700 CUPE's beyond redemption
00:48:33.520 and my view is
00:48:35.160 the provincial government
00:48:37.120 should decertify them
00:48:38.680 and start over
00:48:40.000 I mean exactly
00:48:41.020 because you wonder
00:48:42.600 they represent government workers
00:48:45.560 and it's not just them
00:48:46.820 Cup W
00:48:47.500 the postal union
00:48:49.300 is just as anti-Semitic 0.72
00:48:51.080 and has a history of it
00:48:52.340 and in Iran
00:48:53.360 like one of the first things
00:48:55.100 the Ayatollahs did 0.93
00:48:56.340 when they took over in 1979
00:48:57.860 is eliminate a dissidence
00:49:00.140 and killed off the union leaders
00:49:02.240 so this is Fred Hahn
00:49:03.960 supporting a regime
00:49:05.340 that killed his fellow brothers
00:49:07.520 and sisters
00:49:08.160 in the union movement
00:49:09.300 like it
00:49:10.160 there's some places
00:49:11.460 in this country
00:49:12.740 in this world
00:49:13.480 where people have lost their minds
00:49:15.600 they've gone
00:49:16.620 they've lost their minds
00:49:17.760 and I think that's an instance
00:49:19.660 of it where CUPE
00:49:20.760 has lost its way
00:49:22.700 and they need to start over
00:49:24.280 but we're seeing the same thing
00:49:25.920 in academia
00:49:26.560 we're seeing the same thing
00:49:28.340 in certain government institutions
00:49:30.220 and governmental agencies
00:49:31.920 like it's happening
00:49:33.240 in different places
00:49:34.440 because this campaign
00:49:36.360 against Israel in the West
00:49:37.560 has been very successful
00:49:38.740 in getting these people
00:49:41.060 to agitate against Israel
00:49:42.820 okay let's talk about academia
00:49:45.320 and the education system
00:49:47.560 so there was a report
00:49:49.840 a federal report
00:49:51.080 on anti-semitic incidents
00:49:54.300 in our public schools
00:49:56.380 and it found that
00:49:57.960 almost half of them
00:49:59.200 were never even investigated
00:50:00.620 perpetrators were not punished
00:50:02.960 because they come from
00:50:04.920 disadvantaged groups
00:50:06.600 and have intergenerational trauma
00:50:10.280 so you can assault 0.99
00:50:11.960 a Jewish student 0.99
00:50:12.860 and there's no problem
00:50:14.020 a lot of this came from teachers
00:50:16.080 and we have heard
00:50:18.960 from Ontario's education minister
00:50:21.480 but not a peeps from the premier
00:50:23.180 not a peeps from the prime minister
00:50:25.640 and certainly nothing from Olivia Chow
00:50:29.400 the children being spat on
00:50:32.200 Jewish kids being spat on 0.82
00:50:34.080 being beaten up 0.97
00:50:36.100 being threatened
00:50:37.400 being told Hitler
00:50:39.260 should have finished the job
00:50:40.700 Hitler was right 1.00
00:50:42.780 being forced to stand there
00:50:45.680 while their schoolmates
00:50:47.240 make Nazi salutes 0.71
00:50:48.540 these are some of the things
00:50:49.700 that have been happening
00:50:50.500 that report
00:50:51.740 was commissioned by
00:50:54.180 the special envoy
00:50:55.900 who now has retired
00:50:59.280 for the federal government
00:51:01.300 been pushed out
00:51:01.660 she was
00:51:02.960 she confessed that
00:51:04.860 she was just exhausted
00:51:06.280 by getting no support
00:51:08.260 and so
00:51:09.560 she came in
00:51:10.740 and reviewed
00:51:11.500 this provincial
00:51:12.600 problem
00:51:14.640 and the biggest problem
00:51:15.860 was in TDSB
00:51:16.920 followed by the Ottawa
00:51:18.040 public school system
00:51:20.560 the Catholic school boards
00:51:22.980 it was interesting
00:51:23.680 were way down the list
00:51:24.800 they had a problem
00:51:25.600 but nowhere as bad
00:51:27.100 as the Toronto District
00:51:28.260 School Board
00:51:29.020 so giving credit
00:51:31.780 as I try to do
00:51:33.300 where credit is due
00:51:34.820 I spoke to
00:51:36.180 Paul Calandra
00:51:37.100 as the minister responsible
00:51:38.580 I said
00:51:39.720 this is completely unacceptable
00:51:41.500 he agreed
00:51:42.360 and he said
00:51:43.760 at that point
00:51:44.640 the TDSB was under receivership
00:51:46.460 for all kinds of
00:51:47.280 financial wrongdoing
00:51:49.300 and hanky-panky
00:51:50.400 he said
00:51:51.160 we're going to deal with this
00:51:52.100 so he's issued a statement
00:51:53.140 that's pretty clear
00:51:54.120 saying that the provincial government
00:51:55.880 is going to go after this
00:51:57.400 they've said that kind of thing before
00:51:59.320 I hope they mean it this time
00:52:00.760 moving right along
00:52:02.740 to academe
00:52:03.840 to universities
00:52:04.840 I mean
00:52:05.520 the
00:52:06.220 mindset in universities
00:52:08.800 that's been a long time
00:52:10.120 coming this
00:52:10.920 I don't know
00:52:12.180 I'm not sure
00:52:13.300 I like the words
00:52:14.080 woke ideology
00:52:15.080 but the woke ideology
00:52:16.580 the lack of a diversity
00:52:19.340 of opinion
00:52:20.440 the way that
00:52:22.720 DEI
00:52:24.160 is implemented
00:52:25.900 leads to anti-Semitism
00:52:28.860 and what we saw
00:52:29.900 happening on campuses
00:52:31.120 during
00:52:32.960 the
00:52:34.060 last summer
00:52:35.600 I mean
00:52:36.020 it was incredible
00:52:37.160 where
00:52:37.640 you could not
00:52:39.400 enter
00:52:40.180 the university campus
00:52:41.800 unless you
00:52:43.180 pledged your support
00:52:44.920 to
00:52:45.400 the students
00:52:46.800 the anti-Israel students
00:52:48.140 who were in camp there
00:52:49.160 and they've been sucked in
00:52:50.580 like at the University
00:52:51.480 of Toronto encampment
00:52:52.620 I walked around it
00:52:54.500 with a camera crew
00:52:55.580 for our documentary
00:52:56.580 and what was interesting
00:52:57.920 is these kids
00:52:59.080 followed
00:53:00.040 they were wearing
00:53:01.100 their keffiye masks
00:53:02.400 they didn't say anything
00:53:03.900 they listened to me
00:53:04.940 so I took advantage of it
00:53:06.500 and I said
00:53:06.880 you see
00:53:07.260 you see this red triangle
00:53:09.140 the red triangle
00:53:11.000 means
00:53:11.640 I am going 1.00
00:53:12.800 to kill you 1.00
00:53:13.840 it was devised 1.00
00:53:15.800 by Hamas
00:53:16.560 Hamas for its videos
00:53:17.920 they would superimpose it
00:53:19.820 on the image
00:53:20.420 of an IDF soldier
00:53:21.960 they'd superimpose it
00:53:23.600 on the image
00:53:24.180 of an Israeli
00:53:24.920 it means 1.00
00:53:26.040 I'm going to kill you 1.00
00:53:27.120 or the red hand 1.00
00:53:29.000 the red hand
00:53:30.240 is a symbol
00:53:31.420 referring to
00:53:32.040 the second intifada
00:53:33.100 where two young reservists
00:53:34.920 made the wrong turn
00:53:35.920 went into the west bank
00:53:38.200 and were stabbed
00:53:39.440 and hanged
00:53:40.460 and disemboweled 0.67
00:53:41.600 and tortured
00:53:42.420 and the blood
00:53:43.920 was so
00:53:45.180 it was so awful
00:53:46.540 one of their killers
00:53:48.220 leaned out the window
00:53:49.440 it was a famous photo
00:53:51.380 with his red hands
00:53:52.960 and
00:53:54.580 so I was
00:53:56.060 you know
00:53:56.360 watching these kids
00:53:57.360 listened to me
00:53:58.300 and I could tell
00:54:00.040 many of them
00:54:01.720 did not know
00:54:02.760 of course not
00:54:04.340 they just bought into this
00:54:06.240 this lie
00:54:07.280 and
00:54:08.640 you know
00:54:09.360 I've seen it before
00:54:10.240 with those skinheads
00:54:11.140 that I talked about
00:54:11.980 at the start
00:54:12.800 it always starts slowly
00:54:14.460 and they become radical
00:54:16.500 lies
00:54:16.840 that's what that word means
00:54:18.160 it's to take somebody
00:54:19.180 and to move them
00:54:20.380 to a radical position
00:54:21.780 and what's
00:54:23.400 it's happening now
00:54:24.580 in the streets
00:54:25.240 it's happening now
00:54:26.260 in the media
00:54:26.740 but principally
00:54:27.620 it's happening with this
00:54:29.360 this is the way in which
00:54:31.360 you know
00:54:31.760 Gen Z 0.62
00:54:32.360 and millennials
00:54:33.020 receive information
00:54:34.860 about the world
00:54:35.680 and history
00:54:36.500 and they're being taught lies
00:54:38.900 and it's been a very
00:54:40.360 effective campaign
00:54:41.480 to the point where now
00:54:43.740 they believe
00:54:44.660 these kids believe
00:54:45.880 if you talk to them
00:54:46.760 and I have
00:54:47.360 they don't believe
00:54:49.060 that they're being
00:54:49.640 anti-semitic
00:54:50.500 they believe
00:54:51.380 that they are opposing
00:54:52.480 a racist
00:54:54.420 apartheid state
00:54:55.860 like South Africa
00:54:56.800 they believe
00:54:57.500 they're opposing racism
00:54:58.620 and I'd say to them
00:54:59.960 have you been to Israel
00:55:01.780 do you know
00:55:03.520 how racially diverse
00:55:05.300 Israel is
00:55:06.160 it's like the United Nations
00:55:08.060 there's vibrant
00:55:09.680 gay communities
00:55:10.680 and there's blacks
00:55:12.040 serving in the IDF
00:55:14.000 and there are young women
00:55:16.360 who are in positions
00:55:17.400 of authority
00:55:18.160 much more significant
00:55:19.680 than Canadian society
00:55:20.800 did you know that
00:55:21.640 oh it's not true
00:55:22.580 they've been taught a lie
00:55:25.000 and they've been
00:55:25.640 they've bought into a lie
00:55:27.540 and that's why I say
00:55:29.200 we can't give up
00:55:30.100 we have to tell the truth
00:55:31.160 about Israel
00:55:31.680 but also about democracy
00:55:32.980 because the other thing
00:55:34.220 that's happening
00:55:34.840 is they are not just
00:55:36.920 agitating against Israel
00:55:38.200 they're agitating
00:55:39.580 against our way of life
00:55:41.040 and then
00:55:42.720 and our system
00:55:44.020 of democracy
00:55:44.860 and they're attacking
00:55:46.540 not just the symbols
00:55:47.720 of Judaism
00:55:48.520 and the Jewish people
00:55:49.960 but also our system
00:55:52.720 of government
00:55:53.320 our way of life
00:55:54.780 one of the things
00:55:55.800 I wanted to get to
00:55:57.020 the gay community
00:55:58.320 I mean
00:55:58.800 one of the things
00:55:59.860 that is completely
00:56:00.900 incomprehensible
00:56:02.460 Israel 1.00
00:56:03.520 has a very gay 0.99
00:56:05.600 positive culture
00:56:07.360 very large gay community
00:56:10.340 and Hamas 0.62
00:56:12.460 throws people off the roof 0.92
00:56:14.020 if they're openly gay 0.98
00:56:15.640 so the gay community 0.86
00:56:18.340 being so anti-Israel 0.99
00:56:20.180 seems nutty to me
00:56:22.260 and it
00:56:22.920 but it's testament
00:56:24.280 to how effective
00:56:25.280 their propaganda campaign
00:56:26.760 has been
00:56:27.300 isn't it
00:56:28.300 where they're able
00:56:29.620 to get people
00:56:30.720 in politics
00:56:31.460 and campaigns
00:56:32.200 we have a name for it
00:56:33.340 it's getting somebody
00:56:35.240 to vote against
00:56:36.000 their own self-interest
00:56:37.100 that does happen
00:56:38.600 in campaigns
00:56:39.380 but it requires
00:56:40.920 the message
00:56:41.640 to be very persuasive
00:56:43.260 and diabolical
00:56:44.420 to get people
00:56:45.560 to vote against
00:56:46.580 their own interest
00:56:47.640 and that's what's
00:56:48.980 happened here
00:56:49.880 it's like
00:56:50.960 kids
00:56:51.720 like I've been there
00:56:53.080 I've been in Gaza
00:56:54.520 I've been in the West Bank
00:56:55.960 now
00:56:56.460 if you were to show up
00:56:58.900 you wouldn't last the night
00:57:01.300 they don't tolerate that
00:57:03.320 read the Hamas charter
00:57:04.660 the real Hamas charter
00:57:05.880 the 1988 Hamas charter
00:57:08.180 it talks about
00:57:09.800 you're an infidel 1.00
00:57:11.460 you were unclean 1.00
00:57:13.380 you are filth 1.00
00:57:14.340 and they will destroy you 1.00
00:57:16.200 because they believe
00:57:17.360 they're acting
00:57:17.960 the word of Allah
00:57:18.960 so inform yourselves
00:57:22.720 but unfortunately
00:57:23.580 they're not doing that
00:57:24.640 they're too often
00:57:25.780 depending upon this
00:57:27.240 and they've been
00:57:28.500 manipulated
00:57:29.080 whether the platform
00:57:30.080 is Instagram
00:57:31.020 TikTok is the worst
00:57:32.780 but Twitter
00:57:34.240 all of them
00:57:35.260 going back to Al-Qaeda 0.97
00:57:36.680 Al-Qaeda
00:57:37.240 recognized the value
00:57:38.980 of YouTube
00:57:39.900 before governments did
00:57:41.860 they had more effective
00:57:43.660 material there
00:57:44.680 than anybody else did
00:57:46.300 then ISIS
00:57:47.320 decided that they would
00:57:49.380 make use of it
00:57:50.040 ISIS
00:57:50.320 practically was an
00:57:52.020 internet platform
00:57:53.500 more than they were
00:57:54.520 a terror group
00:57:55.280 and then Hamas
00:57:56.520 has learned from both
00:57:57.460 of those experiences
00:57:58.460 and they very effectively
00:58:00.600 push out one message
00:58:02.100 like in Israel
00:58:03.480 you know
00:58:04.040 people say to me
00:58:05.420 my Jewish friends
00:58:06.240 in particular
00:58:06.740 why can't we get
00:58:08.180 our act together
00:58:08.780 and I said well
00:58:09.440 you know
00:58:10.720 Israel's a democracy
00:58:11.980 like people
00:58:14.140 you know
00:58:14.860 the joke
00:58:15.300 what is the joke here
00:58:16.140 the joke
00:58:16.460 five Jews
00:58:17.480 and six opinions
00:58:18.540 exactly
00:58:19.060 but that's beautiful
00:58:20.640 that's democracy
00:58:22.580 that's how it's
00:58:23.300 supposed to work
00:58:24.220 and
00:58:25.180 but you know
00:58:26.080 I was in
00:58:26.540 Hostages Square
00:58:27.400 and I marched
00:58:28.060 with them afterwards
00:58:28.920 to talk with them
00:58:30.060 it's right across
00:58:31.000 from the IDF headquarters
00:58:32.220 they are there
00:58:33.840 every single weekend
00:58:35.420 to demand the release
00:58:37.280 of the hostages
00:58:37.960 and many of them
00:58:38.900 to oppose
00:58:39.480 the Netanyahu government
00:58:40.640 and they say to me
00:58:41.980 Warren
00:58:42.300 why does
00:58:42.760 why does
00:58:43.560 why does the world
00:58:44.500 abandon us
00:58:45.560 where did everybody go
00:58:47.700 why do they all think
00:58:49.520 that we love Netanyahu
00:58:50.800 and we love the war
00:58:52.100 and why do they think
00:58:53.800 that
00:58:54.120 despite week after week
00:58:55.500 of seeing
00:58:56.080 hundreds of thousands
00:58:57.260 of Israelis
00:58:58.260 in the streets
00:59:00.020 every week
00:59:01.140 protesting that government
00:59:02.820 I mean
00:59:03.160 it's just beyond
00:59:04.380 the pale
00:59:06.000 there's one thing
00:59:07.680 I just want to show you
00:59:09.000 before we
00:59:09.780 so this is
00:59:12.400 a conference
00:59:14.420 coming soon
00:59:15.420 at OISE
00:59:15.960 which is the
00:59:16.960 University of Toronto's
00:59:18.560 education
00:59:20.040 here
00:59:20.780 the decolonizing conference
00:59:22.660 which is going to
00:59:23.960 have a PD day
00:59:25.900 on counterinsurgency
00:59:28.360 yeah
00:59:28.940 like what is that
00:59:30.600 and they've got
00:59:31.480 I'm not even sure
00:59:32.500 what liberatory is
00:59:33.820 I'm not sure
00:59:34.260 that's a word
00:59:34.980 but that's never
00:59:36.100 stopped them
00:59:36.840 but this
00:59:37.660 this is an example
00:59:39.060 of what I was
00:59:39.640 talking about earlier
00:59:40.860 where how have they
00:59:43.080 infected the minds
00:59:44.120 of so many young people
00:59:45.240 you know
00:59:45.860 old guys like me
00:59:46.880 it's not been
00:59:48.180 an effective campaign
00:59:49.260 the majority of people
00:59:50.960 who are older
00:59:52.060 boomers and so on
00:59:53.580 still support Israel 0.79
00:59:54.700 support Israel's right
00:59:56.060 to defend itself
00:59:56.880 in safe and secure borders
00:59:58.180 with young people
00:59:59.860 this works
01:00:00.620 because what they're doing
01:00:02.220 you know there's
01:00:03.040 you know
01:00:04.400 they'll never be so direct
01:00:06.280 like David Duke
01:00:07.400 they learned from David Duke
01:00:08.560 the Grand Wizards
01:00:09.440 of the Knights of Ku Klux Klan
01:00:10.660 they don't come out
01:00:12.040 and say 0.99
01:00:12.560 kill the Jews 1.00
01:00:13.440 or destroy the Jews 1.00
01:00:14.880 they talk about Zionists 1.00
01:00:16.500 right
01:00:17.620 they don't talk about
01:00:18.820 a global anti-Semitic
01:00:20.800 revolution
01:00:22.120 they talk about
01:00:22.820 an intifada
01:00:23.540 they don't say
01:00:25.300 we're going to wipe
01:00:26.020 Israel from the map
01:00:27.080 they say
01:00:27.700 oh Iran says that 0.57
01:00:28.880 from the river to the sea
01:00:30.420 Palestine will be free 0.99
01:00:32.100 they use euphemisms
01:00:33.460 and coded language
01:00:34.560 and dog whistles
01:00:35.700 like that
01:00:36.740 to pull in
01:00:38.180 naive young people
01:00:39.500 and it works 0.87
01:00:41.280 Iran does say 0.86
01:00:42.780 we're going to
01:00:43.420 wipe Israel off the map 1.00
01:00:44.640 and Iran is very pleased
01:00:46.360 the Grand Leader
01:00:47.900 you know
01:00:48.580 in one of his
01:00:49.140 coherent moments
01:00:50.240 said last summer
01:00:51.660 I just want to pay tribute
01:00:53.980 to the young people
01:00:55.700 in the West
01:00:56.280 with all of their
01:00:57.400 encampments
01:00:58.440 at universities
01:00:59.280 they are doing
01:01:00.720 wonderful work
01:01:01.820 and then
01:01:03.060 Avril Haynes
01:01:04.580 who was then
01:01:05.120 the Director
01:01:05.660 of National Intelligence
01:01:07.040 for the United States
01:01:08.260 so the most informed
01:01:10.160 intelligence officer
01:01:11.880 on the planet
01:01:13.000 came out and said
01:01:14.700 she kind of scooped me 0.96
01:01:16.400 but I was glad
01:01:18.160 she finally confirmed
01:01:19.640 what I'd been suspecting
01:01:21.380 she said Iran
01:01:22.500 is paying for protesters
01:01:23.800 Iran is paying 1.00
01:01:25.120 for organizers
01:01:26.000 Iran is behind 1.00
01:01:27.740 a lot of the stuff
01:01:28.860 that we're seeing
01:01:29.940 like this
01:01:30.860 and people need
01:01:32.480 to wake up
01:01:33.180 in a democracy
01:01:34.440 protests are good
01:01:36.880 and disagreeing
01:01:38.400 is good
01:01:38.940 and debate is good
01:01:40.360 this is not good
01:01:41.860 and she came out
01:01:42.820 and said
01:01:43.240 and unfortunately
01:01:43.800 not many people
01:01:44.580 paid attention to it
01:01:45.640 she said
01:01:46.480 our democracies
01:01:47.780 are at risk
01:01:48.740 we are being targeted
01:01:50.500 by an evil axis
01:01:52.480 they had
01:01:52.940 my friend David Frum
01:01:54.280 called them that
01:01:55.240 and he was right
01:01:56.540 more than I think
01:01:57.460 than he realizes
01:01:58.320 it is an axis of evil
01:02:00.420 Iran and Qatar
01:02:02.520 and Russia
01:02:03.480 and China
01:02:04.440 and aided and abetted
01:02:05.880 by Hamas
01:02:06.680 and Hezbollah
01:02:07.380 and the Houthis
01:02:08.160 and all of these 1.00
01:02:09.340 useful idiots 1.00
01:02:10.260 as they're called 1.00
01:02:11.340 here in the West
01:02:12.640 it is
01:02:13.680 they're coming for us
01:02:15.540 and we need to wake up
01:02:16.920 before it's too late
01:02:17.860 you talk about
01:02:20.140 young people
01:02:21.460 and how many young people
01:02:23.740 believe this stuff
01:02:25.340 I mean
01:02:25.760 sometimes
01:02:27.360 I wonder
01:02:28.540 is there a future
01:02:30.560 for Jews here
01:02:31.400 is it time to leave 0.96
01:02:32.680 you know
01:02:32.960 my parents were
01:02:33.720 Holocaust survivors
01:02:34.700 and when I was
01:02:37.600 growing up
01:02:38.380 one of the questions
01:02:40.060 among my peers
01:02:41.280 who were Jewish kids
01:02:42.980 you know
01:02:44.500 children of Holocaust
01:02:46.200 survivors
01:02:46.920 about what happened
01:02:48.160 in Europe
01:02:48.760 was how could
01:02:50.440 they not know
01:02:51.220 how could they not know
01:02:52.800 that it was time to leave
01:02:54.480 and they had to get out
01:02:55.660 to save themselves
01:02:56.700 and now I kind of think
01:02:58.900 well I think I understand
01:03:00.660 how they didn't know
01:03:02.320 because a lot of us
01:03:04.180 look around here
01:03:05.080 and they say
01:03:05.680 well I still have
01:03:07.100 a pretty nice life here
01:03:08.360 I struggle with this one
01:03:12.980 and I'm sure you do too
01:03:15.160 because I've got friends
01:03:16.940 like when I was in Israel
01:03:18.460 so we were shooting
01:03:19.560 our documentary
01:03:20.340 we're still fundraising
01:03:22.000 to finish it
01:03:22.920 and I'm on the streets
01:03:25.120 in Tel Aviv
01:03:25.820 and a woman comes up
01:03:26.780 to Warren Kinsella
01:03:27.640 and it's like
01:03:29.120 somebody here knows who I am
01:03:30.600 she was Canadian
01:03:31.340 she was in Toronto
01:03:32.160 she went to Humber
01:03:33.500 she encountered
01:03:34.840 anti-Semitism there
01:03:36.260 couldn't take it anymore
01:03:37.660 and made Alia
01:03:38.520 went to Israel
01:03:40.800 another young woman
01:03:42.420 from Vermont
01:03:43.380 same thing
01:03:44.420 so you know
01:03:46.580 I understand
01:03:48.080 emotionally doing that
01:03:49.760 I understand
01:03:51.160 the need
01:03:52.340 some people feel
01:03:53.340 to do that
01:03:54.300 but it's vacating
01:03:56.440 the battlefield
01:03:57.080 to the bad guys
01:03:58.200 it's what they want
01:03:59.860 one of the things
01:04:01.340 they say
01:04:01.760 at all their protests
01:04:02.740 along with
01:04:03.240 free Palestine
01:04:04.040 and from the river
01:04:05.640 to the sea
01:04:06.360 and Intifada
01:04:07.200 is go back to Poland 1.00
01:04:08.740 go back to Europe 0.98
01:04:11.260 they want 0.50
01:04:12.540 to get rid of us
01:04:13.940 you know
01:04:14.460 Zionists 1.00
01:04:15.420 people like me
01:04:16.340 people like you 0.72
01:04:17.240 they want to get rid of us 0.67
01:04:18.540 and we can't
01:04:19.900 we have to
01:04:20.720 as your name says
01:04:22.960 we have to fight back
01:04:24.240 and it's depressing
01:04:25.680 and hard
01:04:26.260 and frustrating
01:04:27.000 but we have to fight back
01:04:28.260 the final thing
01:04:30.480 is the impact
01:04:31.300 on the rest of society
01:04:33.060 I mean
01:04:33.580 there seems to be
01:04:35.800 a general lawlessness
01:04:37.580 here
01:04:38.480 we have people
01:04:39.880 repeat offenders
01:04:41.080 being released
01:04:42.720 on bail
01:04:43.340 multiple times
01:04:44.760 gun offenses
01:04:46.840 going out
01:04:47.900 and committing
01:04:48.780 very serious offenses
01:04:50.600 again
01:04:51.040 and just getting
01:04:51.820 released on bail
01:04:52.880 again
01:04:53.320 we have organized crime
01:04:55.860 using young people
01:04:57.100 who have basically
01:04:58.340 no consequences
01:04:59.360 so
01:04:59.760 what's your view
01:05:01.140 of the relationship
01:05:02.080 of those two things
01:05:03.140 it is a problem
01:05:03.840 we learned about
01:05:04.820 a young man
01:05:06.240 who was convicted
01:05:07.020 of saying
01:05:07.580 he wanted to go out 1.00
01:05:08.300 and kill as many Jews 1.00
01:05:09.260 as possible 1.00
01:05:09.880 yeah
01:05:10.220 and he was given
01:05:11.700 60 days
01:05:12.980 home arrest
01:05:14.400 as his sentence
01:05:16.860 that is not acceptable
01:05:18.180 that is not right
01:05:19.680 that's not proper
01:05:20.900 so we as citizens
01:05:23.240 as voters
01:05:24.000 like the one thing
01:05:25.000 I've learned about campaigns
01:05:26.240 one thing I know
01:05:27.000 about politics
01:05:27.740 as Brian Mulroney
01:05:29.080 used to say
01:05:29.780 nothing focuses the mind
01:05:31.780 better than a good
01:05:32.540 hanging in the morning 0.93
01:05:33.500 like politicians
01:05:35.040 like we've just gone
01:05:35.960 through an election year
01:05:36.820 provincially and federally
01:05:38.000 in this province
01:05:38.840 other provinces
01:05:40.100 are getting ready
01:05:40.840 to have elections
01:05:41.680 go to those
01:05:43.300 all candidates meetings
01:05:44.560 fill out those
01:05:45.580 questionnaires
01:05:46.400 demand
01:05:47.320 what is your answer
01:05:48.460 I am a Jew
01:05:49.380 what are you going to do
01:05:51.560 to protect my people
01:05:52.680 my synagogue was firebombed
01:05:54.340 my kids school
01:05:55.460 was shut up
01:05:56.180 what are you going to do 0.99
01:05:57.700 we're not going
01:05:58.780 to let it go
01:05:59.500 we're not going
01:06:00.700 to let it go
01:06:01.340 we're going to keep
01:06:02.080 hounding you
01:06:02.900 and that's something
01:06:04.140 that politicians
01:06:04.860 pay attention to
01:06:06.020 and you know
01:06:08.120 I fear with people
01:06:09.040 like Olivia Chow
01:06:10.040 and so on
01:06:10.740 we kind of let them
01:06:12.420 get away with it
01:06:13.280 we can't let them
01:06:14.340 get away with it
01:06:15.160 we have to organize
01:06:16.080 we have to fight back
01:06:17.200 what do you think
01:06:18.520 the relationship
01:06:19.320 of these attacks
01:06:21.100 on Jews are 0.98
01:06:22.020 to this general
01:06:23.400 lawlessness
01:06:24.440 it's a complex problem
01:06:26.540 it's a complex answer
01:06:28.000 it involves judges
01:06:29.600 it involves prosecutors
01:06:31.040 it involves police
01:06:32.200 it involves the fact
01:06:33.640 that you know
01:06:34.520 our judicial system
01:06:35.680 is not properly funded
01:06:37.080 you know
01:06:38.660 I'm sympathetic
01:06:39.120 I'm sympathetic
01:06:40.020 with judges sometimes
01:06:41.200 because I know
01:06:42.340 what happens
01:06:43.020 you know
01:06:43.260 I've been a cop reporter
01:06:44.260 I've appeared in court
01:06:45.980 and you'll have somebody
01:06:47.700 that everybody
01:06:48.400 the crown and the defense
01:06:49.540 agrees needs
01:06:50.420 a psychiatric hold
01:06:52.140 and they'll
01:06:53.340 the judge will pick up
01:06:54.600 the phone back
01:06:55.340 in his or her office
01:06:56.420 and phone Cam H
01:06:58.220 and they'll say
01:06:58.820 we've got nowhere
01:06:59.280 to put them
01:06:59.820 we can't take them
01:07:02.040 and so they're let go
01:07:04.200 so you know
01:07:05.740 we as citizens
01:07:06.740 have a role to play too
01:07:08.180 to say we need
01:07:09.100 to you guys
01:07:10.160 to reorder your resources
01:07:11.580 maybe spend a little
01:07:12.960 less money on
01:07:14.360 you know batteries
01:07:15.600 for electric vehicles
01:07:17.120 that nobody's driving
01:07:18.160 anymore
01:07:18.760 and spend it on
01:07:20.340 a properly funded
01:07:21.580 judicial system
01:07:22.620 it is a complex
01:07:25.140 and frustrating problem
01:07:26.580 but that's one that
01:07:28.220 you know needs to be
01:07:29.460 addressed
01:07:29.880 and needs to be addressed
01:07:30.880 soon
01:07:31.160 what do you do next
01:07:32.760 I mean
01:07:33.300 to try to win this battle
01:07:35.040 because right now
01:07:36.080 we're not winning
01:07:37.400 what I want to show
01:07:39.160 as I sit here
01:07:40.880 with my star David
01:07:42.400 one of my friends
01:07:43.680 gave it to me
01:07:44.460 is tell the truth
01:07:47.020 you know
01:07:48.020 the group I lead
01:07:48.820 is called Facts Matter
01:07:49.840 to tell the truth
01:07:51.180 about Israel
01:07:51.840 tell the truth
01:07:52.540 about what is going on
01:07:53.740 there's nothing
01:07:54.880 that can defeat
01:07:55.780 these bad people
01:07:57.060 because they are bad
01:07:58.180 more effectively
01:07:59.860 than telling the truth
01:08:01.000 about Israel
01:08:01.780 and about democracy
01:08:03.340 and what is really
01:08:04.220 going on
01:08:04.900 so whether it's
01:08:06.080 the famine now
01:08:07.100 or the casualty count
01:08:08.900 or whatever it is
01:08:10.020 present people
01:08:11.700 with facts
01:08:12.280 so they can make
01:08:12.860 their minds up
01:08:13.520 there is a minority
01:08:14.660 we're never going to reach
01:08:15.880 they are hateful
01:08:16.960 marginal people 0.97
01:08:18.220 they are the fringe
01:08:19.560 but the majority
01:08:20.840 are looking for information
01:08:22.160 and you know
01:08:22.720 I'll say this candidly
01:08:23.940 Israel
01:08:25.020 and I love Israel
01:08:26.280 and I love Israelis
01:08:27.240 Israel is really bad 1.00
01:08:29.840 at telling its own story
01:08:31.080 so Israel needs 0.73
01:08:34.180 to step up its game
01:08:35.380 and then its allies
01:08:37.500 and Canada used to be one
01:08:39.200 need to say
01:08:40.560 we ally ourselves
01:08:42.420 with the Jewish state
01:08:44.980 these are our friends
01:08:46.960 these are people
01:08:47.640 we believe in
01:08:48.640 we are with them
01:08:50.020 and we need governments
01:08:50.920 to do that
01:08:51.700 and we need to do them
01:08:53.860 before it's too late
01:08:54.880 okay
01:08:55.760 Warren Kinsella
01:08:57.380 thanks so much
01:08:58.300 thank you
01:09:05.380 in a far off place
01:09:15.320 in a far off town
01:09:18.720 I had a vision
01:09:21.420 of you and I
01:09:25.920 but the last time I saw you
01:09:30.920 must have been the night
01:09:33.720 I fell down the stairs
01:09:38.520 and you laughed
01:09:39.200 till you cried
01:09:40.400 then my sky
01:09:42.780 generated thunder
01:09:45.660 I bathed in love
01:09:50.960 went out with a smile
01:09:52.860 I tell you what
01:09:56.820 let's make a deal
01:09:58.640 if I take the gas
01:10:00.420 then you'll take the wheel
01:10:02.160 and I put on the second side
01:10:05.780 a honking door
01:10:08.840 and the last time I saw you
01:10:13.660 must have been the night
01:10:16.000 I fell asleep
01:10:19.960 at the wheel and died
01:10:23.400 then my sky
01:10:25.740 generated thunder
01:10:28.400 I bathed in love
01:10:33.780 went out with a smile
01:10:35.780 hello jesus
01:10:39.860 hello aldous
01:10:41.640 it's good to see us
01:10:44.160 hello grandma
01:10:46.600 you're looking good
01:10:49.140 I knew you were
01:10:50.760 my sky
01:10:53.760 generated thunder
01:10:56.760 I bathed in love
01:11:01.520 went out in style
01:11:04.600 went out in style
01:11:08.520 went out in style
01:11:11.760 oh no
01:11:27.220 you're listening to the Ben Mulrooney Show
01:11:30.060 you sure are on this Friday
01:11:32.300 and I am Alex Pearson
01:11:33.440 in for Mr. Benedict Mulrooney
01:11:35.700 and this is
01:11:36.980 This Week in Politics
01:11:38.320 where we get a chance
01:11:39.320 to chatter out
01:11:40.160 the big headlines
01:11:41.220 the good, the bad
01:11:41.960 and the ugly
01:11:42.640 and boy oh boy
01:11:43.240 there are a lot this week
01:11:44.200 so let's welcome in
01:11:45.360 Mr. Warren Kinsella
01:11:46.860 special advisor
01:11:47.700 to Jean Chrétien
01:11:49.000 CEO of the Daisy Group
01:11:50.700 and of course
01:11:51.240 Chris Chapin
01:11:52.120 political commentator
01:11:53.040 managing principal
01:11:54.000 over at Upstream Strategy
01:11:55.580 haven't talked to
01:11:56.220 either of you
01:11:57.200 in some time
01:11:57.800 so lovely
01:11:58.840 to be able to talk to you today
01:12:00.260 hi guys
01:12:00.720 hey Alex
01:12:01.800 lovely indeed
01:12:03.320 let us talk about Air Canada
01:12:05.460 I assume neither of you
01:12:06.620 are flying
01:12:07.300 or booked to fly
01:12:08.440 or you know
01:12:09.780 have to deal with
01:12:10.600 any of this
01:12:11.220 having said that
01:12:12.080 you know
01:12:12.720 there's going to be
01:12:13.100 up to 500 flights
01:12:14.320 regardless of if a deal
01:12:15.640 is struck by deadline
01:12:17.120 500 flights
01:12:18.120 are already being cancelled
01:12:19.340 and so this is going to
01:12:20.540 impact about 130,000 people
01:12:22.280 today
01:12:22.680 it's already impacting
01:12:23.880 people tomorrow
01:12:24.680 because there's a ripple effect
01:12:26.160 on this
01:12:26.880 let me play you
01:12:28.520 the union
01:12:29.500 represents
01:12:30.860 because you know
01:12:31.980 they're still arguing
01:12:32.800 that no matter
01:12:33.440 what they've been offered
01:12:34.200 the offer is
01:12:35.040 too low
01:12:35.940 saying 32, 38
01:12:38.900 packages
01:12:39.800 of this and that
01:12:41.060 the first year's
01:12:42.200 compensation
01:12:42.880 salary
01:12:43.860 sorry
01:12:44.320 let's use the right words
01:12:45.760 salary increase
01:12:47.060 is 8%
01:12:48.080 inflation
01:12:49.700 is 9%
01:12:51.100 so we're still
01:12:52.200 under
01:12:52.760 inflation
01:12:53.800 let me
01:12:54.940 let me kick this one off
01:12:55.860 with you Warren
01:12:56.580 because you know
01:12:57.500 bottom line is
01:12:58.400 no matter what
01:12:59.080 the flight attendants
01:13:00.180 earn and get
01:13:01.040 and I suspect
01:13:02.180 you know
01:13:02.540 the pilots
01:13:03.380 at the very last minute
01:13:04.320 last September
01:13:05.080 got a 42% increase
01:13:06.580 I suspect
01:13:07.680 ultimately
01:13:08.540 they'll get close
01:13:09.460 to what they're asking
01:13:10.200 for the 39%
01:13:11.320 but it might not be
01:13:12.640 tonight
01:13:12.940 it may be next week
01:13:14.240 the problem is
01:13:15.480 it's you know
01:13:16.280 the Canadian people
01:13:17.000 the travelers
01:13:17.500 that continually
01:13:18.160 pay the price
01:13:19.220 for this labor strife
01:13:21.300 and so who's the winner
01:13:22.400 here and who's the loser
01:13:23.320 well the loser 0.77
01:13:24.760 for sure 0.91
01:13:25.240 is the public
01:13:26.020 I've got a friend
01:13:27.060 who is coming
01:13:27.760 from Victoria
01:13:28.500 to Toronto
01:13:29.580 next week
01:13:30.280 and you know
01:13:30.920 I said to her 0.96
01:13:31.580 I think he may not
01:13:32.480 be coming to Toronto
01:13:33.400 if this thing
01:13:34.100 keeps going
01:13:34.780 the one
01:13:36.020 you know
01:13:36.320 I've reached
01:13:36.740 a ripe old age
01:13:38.240 by not getting
01:13:38.920 in the middle
01:13:39.460 of the numbers
01:13:40.220 on a collective
01:13:41.000 bargaining discussion
01:13:42.180 however
01:13:43.020 there's one part
01:13:44.420 of the flight
01:13:44.880 attendants argument
01:13:45.720 that I think
01:13:46.880 is I agree with
01:13:48.380 which I didn't
01:13:49.280 even realize
01:13:50.000 this Alex
01:13:50.600 apparently
01:13:51.500 they don't even
01:13:52.140 get paid
01:13:53.060 until the plane
01:13:54.360 lifts off
01:13:55.240 so you know
01:13:56.220 the preparation
01:13:57.020 and helping people
01:13:57.980 with their bags
01:13:58.840 and yada yada
01:14:00.120 so it doesn't
01:14:01.980 kick in
01:14:02.540 until the plane
01:14:03.460 is underway
01:14:03.960 the flight
01:14:04.480 is underway
01:14:04.980 if that's true
01:14:06.300 and I've seen
01:14:07.400 that reported
01:14:08.560 widely
01:14:09.120 that doesn't
01:14:10.140 seem very fair
01:14:10.880 to me
01:14:11.400 you know
01:14:12.740 because their job
01:14:13.400 obviously starts
01:14:14.300 before that
01:14:15.040 but you know
01:14:16.100 will the government
01:14:16.720 get involved
01:14:17.300 this government
01:14:17.920 I doubt it
01:14:18.760 you know
01:14:19.880 we'll get the usual
01:14:20.740 stuff about
01:14:21.440 it's collective
01:14:22.000 bargaining
01:14:22.400 we've got to
01:14:22.980 let it play out
01:14:23.800 and it's up
01:14:25.200 to the parties
01:14:25.840 and so on
01:14:26.700 at the two week
01:14:28.720 period
01:14:29.220 you know
01:14:29.800 when people
01:14:30.460 are getting ready
01:14:31.520 to go back
01:14:32.040 to school
01:14:32.560 and so on
01:14:33.160 they've got to
01:14:33.520 travel across
01:14:34.120 the country
01:14:34.560 that may change
01:14:35.700 but for the time
01:14:36.440 being
01:14:36.720 regrettably
01:14:37.360 I think
01:14:37.780 it looks like
01:14:38.600 we're going to
01:14:38.900 have Air Canada
01:14:40.000 shut down
01:14:40.620 yeah
01:14:41.180 and again
01:14:41.980 it's not the
01:14:42.560 first time
01:14:42.960 Chris
01:14:43.200 not the last
01:14:43.940 time
01:14:44.100 but we are
01:14:44.560 living in a
01:14:45.100 country
01:14:45.480 whether it's
01:14:46.160 private or
01:14:46.740 public sector
01:14:47.440 we've had
01:14:48.040 non-stop
01:14:49.240 and yeah
01:14:49.580 it's the right
01:14:50.160 to strike
01:14:50.740 but we are
01:14:51.800 now a country
01:14:52.400 where you know
01:14:53.140 it's
01:14:53.660 we're not
01:14:53.940 very accountable
01:14:54.560 we're not
01:14:55.100 very reliable
01:14:55.940 and we've got
01:14:57.420 a bad reputation
01:14:58.180 for it
01:14:58.780 but every time
01:14:59.760 you buy a ticket
01:15:00.460 for something
01:15:00.980 let's say
01:15:01.320 Air Canada
01:15:01.680 you're buying
01:15:02.760 a ticket
01:15:03.100 and you never
01:15:03.520 know
01:15:03.820 is this
01:15:04.340 going to
01:15:04.560 happen
01:15:04.960 yeah
01:15:06.660 I mean
01:15:07.200 it's tough
01:15:07.940 I'm one of
01:15:09.080 those 130,000
01:15:10.120 I have a flight
01:15:10.720 booked out
01:15:11.460 to the prairies
01:15:12.160 tomorrow
01:15:12.620 for work
01:15:13.220 that I'm
01:15:14.520 wishing and
01:15:15.560 praying that
01:15:16.020 they reach
01:15:16.380 a deal
01:15:16.680 tonight
01:15:17.080 I'm banking
01:15:18.580 on you know
01:15:19.720 historical precedent
01:15:20.720 that I don't
01:15:21.140 think the
01:15:21.700 airlines have
01:15:22.600 gone on strike
01:15:23.260 for decades
01:15:24.480 that they reach
01:15:26.400 some sort of deal
01:15:27.040 whether that means
01:15:27.600 my flight's intact
01:15:28.320 tomorrow
01:15:28.640 I don't know
01:15:29.140 I think
01:15:29.800 you know
01:15:30.380 the greatest
01:15:30.780 indictment of this
01:15:31.560 is just
01:15:31.960 you know
01:15:32.320 what else is new
01:15:33.060 in this country
01:15:33.660 you've got
01:15:34.140 you know
01:15:34.720 one choice
01:15:35.680 maybe two choices
01:15:36.680 if you want
01:15:37.200 any kind of
01:15:37.680 competition
01:15:38.180 when it comes
01:15:38.740 to our airlines
01:15:39.560 you know
01:15:40.760 Porter
01:15:41.180 unfortunately
01:15:41.700 doesn't even
01:15:42.160 fly where I'm
01:15:42.860 going
01:15:43.100 WestJet
01:15:43.580 has a couple
01:15:44.060 flights
01:15:44.440 but that's
01:15:44.860 just the
01:15:45.160 reality of
01:15:45.640 living in this
01:15:46.120 country
01:15:46.400 we stifle
01:15:47.660 competition
01:15:48.260 and so
01:15:48.680 when things
01:15:49.020 like this
01:15:49.420 happen
01:15:49.820 you know
01:15:50.960 we're all
01:15:51.860 just left
01:15:52.560 waiting
01:15:52.960 and hoping
01:15:53.600 and praying
01:15:53.980 yeah
01:15:54.440 it is so
01:15:55.160 so true
01:15:55.760 whether it's
01:15:56.280 telecom
01:15:56.760 air travel
01:15:57.280 or anything
01:15:57.640 else
01:15:57.900 we get
01:15:58.300 in our
01:15:58.840 own way
01:15:59.280 all the
01:16:00.120 time
01:16:00.340 speaking about
01:16:01.040 getting in
01:16:01.560 their own
01:16:01.900 way
01:16:02.320 Toronto Film
01:16:03.460 Fest
01:16:03.780 got in
01:16:04.260 its own
01:16:04.580 way
01:16:04.860 and tripped
01:16:05.280 over itself
01:16:05.760 and I still
01:16:06.120 think they're
01:16:06.460 tripping over
01:16:06.860 themselves
01:16:07.220 they have
01:16:07.660 now done
01:16:08.020 a reverse
01:16:08.440 course
01:16:08.920 either that
01:16:10.120 or they
01:16:10.340 got signed
01:16:10.820 off from
01:16:11.160 Hamas 0.96
01:16:11.560 to use
01:16:12.080 their
01:16:12.380 you know
01:16:13.040 their maniacal
01:16:13.700 footage 0.99
01:16:14.140 killing people
01:16:15.340 don't know 0.96
01:16:16.000 but they
01:16:16.560 did hire
01:16:17.000 Navigator
01:16:17.660 which then
01:16:19.040 you know
01:16:19.560 a slick
01:16:19.980 letter was
01:16:20.420 sent out
01:16:20.840 I think
01:16:21.060 right before
01:16:21.700 midnight
01:16:22.800 with all
01:16:23.820 the right
01:16:24.200 notes
01:16:24.660 you know
01:16:25.080 CEO
01:16:25.460 Cameron
01:16:25.900 Bailey
01:16:26.220 and
01:16:26.640 Barry
01:16:26.920 Average
01:16:27.280 although
01:16:27.600 Barry
01:16:28.200 has not
01:16:28.580 said
01:16:28.800 anything
01:16:29.080 he's the
01:16:29.440 filmmaker
01:16:29.720 behind
01:16:30.120 The Road
01:16:30.440 Between
01:16:30.760 Us
01:16:31.080 The Ultimate
01:16:31.680 Rescue
01:16:32.120 so the
01:16:32.880 film's now
01:16:33.340 going to
01:16:33.560 play
01:16:33.980 Warren
01:16:34.840 and because
01:16:35.580 of this
01:16:36.040 because
01:16:36.400 you know
01:16:36.960 Tiff
01:16:37.420 couldn't
01:16:38.060 you know
01:16:38.360 be just
01:16:39.040 sensible
01:16:39.420 about it
01:16:39.880 or just
01:16:40.480 simply
01:16:40.820 not to
01:16:41.580 listen to
01:16:41.960 the ones
01:16:42.460 of people
01:16:42.880 who were
01:16:43.360 demanding
01:16:43.780 this
01:16:44.040 this film
01:16:44.960 is going
01:16:45.180 to be
01:16:45.320 bigger
01:16:45.800 going
01:16:46.280 to get
01:16:46.440 more
01:16:46.680 attention
01:16:47.120 and it's
01:16:47.780 going to
01:16:47.920 give
01:16:48.080 massive
01:16:48.600 I think
01:16:48.960 protests
01:16:49.480 because
01:16:50.200 their
01:16:50.640 inability
01:16:51.340 to lead
01:16:52.100 so damage
01:16:52.940 done
01:16:53.300 like can
01:16:53.780 they course
01:16:54.200 correct on
01:16:54.700 this
01:16:54.940 damage
01:16:56.140 done
01:16:56.560 it was
01:16:56.940 disgusting 0.55
01:16:57.540 it was 0.94
01:16:57.920 despicable
01:16:58.560 and if it
01:16:59.460 wasn't
01:16:59.780 anti-Semitic
01:17:00.620 it sure
01:17:01.020 looked like
01:17:01.560 it
01:17:01.780 and
01:17:02.760 Tiff
01:17:04.000 you know
01:17:04.460 which is
01:17:04.820 one of
01:17:05.120 our
01:17:05.360 country's
01:17:06.200 premier
01:17:06.620 cultural
01:17:07.240 events
01:17:07.800 has muddied
01:17:08.840 its reputation
01:17:09.660 for a long
01:17:10.280 time to
01:17:10.680 come
01:17:10.920 and them
01:17:11.240 hiring
01:17:11.560 Navigator
01:17:12.160 I think
01:17:12.520 is a
01:17:12.880 is proof
01:17:14.800 of that
01:17:15.360 you know
01:17:16.720 why did
01:17:17.240 this happen
01:17:17.900 you know
01:17:18.580 is we
01:17:19.180 we've heard
01:17:19.820 rumors about
01:17:20.540 a rebellion
01:17:21.100 within staff
01:17:22.060 below Cameron
01:17:23.340 Bailey saying
01:17:23.980 they don't want
01:17:24.420 to be part of
01:17:24.980 this and this
01:17:25.640 film just so
01:17:26.220 everybody's clear
01:17:27.160 it's about an
01:17:28.160 elderly man
01:17:29.040 in Israel
01:17:30.080 finding out
01:17:30.960 his family
01:17:31.620 were under
01:17:32.120 attack
01:17:32.600 and heading
01:17:34.260 towards the
01:17:35.020 south to try
01:17:35.640 and rescue
01:17:36.120 them
01:17:36.400 that's it
01:17:37.260 that's what
01:17:37.980 this was about
01:17:38.780 it wasn't
01:17:39.380 promoting Netanyahu
01:17:40.460 it wasn't
01:17:41.340 promoting Israel 0.91
01:17:42.320 it was just
01:17:42.900 a man's
01:17:43.580 quest to
01:17:44.580 save his
01:17:45.100 family's
01:17:45.680 lives
01:17:45.980 that's
01:17:46.840 it
01:17:47.220 so apparently
01:17:48.780 staff at
01:17:49.660 TIFF said
01:17:50.160 they don't
01:17:50.480 want anything
01:17:50.940 to do
01:17:51.300 with this
01:17:51.800 I've got a
01:17:53.000 report in
01:17:53.980 post media
01:17:54.620 this morning
01:17:55.300 I traced
01:17:56.060 the amount
01:17:56.580 of involvement
01:17:57.260 that TIFF 0.98
01:17:57.780 has got
01:17:58.280 with Qatar
01:17:59.280 which is
01:18:00.240 involved in
01:18:00.840 boycotts of
01:18:01.680 Israel and
01:18:02.420 Israel cultural
01:18:03.360 products around
01:18:04.180 the world
01:18:04.680 and TIFF 0.98
01:18:05.880 is very
01:18:06.720 very involved
01:18:07.840 with Qatar
01:18:08.780 which of course
01:18:09.700 plays host
01:18:10.460 to Hamas
01:18:11.300 and funds
01:18:12.440 Hamas 0.96
01:18:12.960 so you know 0.54
01:18:14.340 that I find
01:18:15.100 extremely suspicious
01:18:16.220 but at the end
01:18:17.120 of the day
01:18:17.620 the board
01:18:18.340 at TIFF
01:18:19.100 includes people
01:18:20.580 like John
01:18:21.100 Torrey
01:18:21.560 and others
01:18:23.500 need to wake
01:18:24.840 up because
01:18:25.640 they had a
01:18:26.720 leadership role
01:18:27.540 to exercise
01:18:28.240 and they did
01:18:29.080 not exercise
01:18:29.980 it and now
01:18:31.380 TIFF's reputation
01:18:32.520 is moneyed
01:18:33.160 and Barry
01:18:33.720 who full disclosure
01:18:34.780 is a friend
01:18:35.520 you know
01:18:36.800 I agree with you
01:18:37.700 I think
01:18:38.220 there's going to be
01:18:38.920 more people
01:18:39.360 wanting to see
01:18:40.040 this film
01:18:40.560 than ever before
01:18:41.360 which is a good
01:18:42.320 thing maybe
01:18:42.740 because finally
01:18:43.300 maybe we can
01:18:44.340 start to correct
01:18:45.140 all the propaganda
01:18:45.940 and actually get
01:18:47.500 some truths out there
01:18:48.280 but I'm curious
01:18:48.860 I know you're both
01:18:49.300 in communications
01:18:50.040 but Chris
01:18:50.500 at what point
01:18:51.620 in a communications
01:18:52.920 meeting are you
01:18:53.800 saying I know
01:18:55.080 let's just say
01:18:56.660 that we have to
01:18:57.580 get sign off
01:18:58.140 from a terrorist
01:18:58.740 group
01:18:59.600 like at what
01:19:00.680 point didn't
01:19:01.120 someone say
01:19:01.480 that's the 1.00
01:19:01.860 dumbest idea 1.00
01:19:02.600 like at what 1.00
01:19:03.320 point did they
01:19:03.840 think that was
01:19:04.280 going to fly
01:19:05.000 having said that
01:19:06.120 they ought to
01:19:07.220 have known
01:19:07.580 that this was
01:19:07.940 a problem
01:19:08.380 I don't know
01:19:08.860 where Olivia Chow
01:19:09.880 is I mean
01:19:10.560 she only shows
01:19:11.120 up for the fun
01:19:12.280 stuff but again
01:19:13.220 can they turn
01:19:14.840 this around
01:19:15.300 or does Cameron
01:19:16.720 Bailey who I
01:19:17.280 called two days
01:19:17.780 ago and haven't
01:19:18.220 heard back
01:19:18.600 does he have
01:19:19.420 to go
01:19:19.760 well I mean
01:19:20.800 he absolutely
01:19:21.740 should go
01:19:22.400 will he
01:19:22.880 absolutely not
01:19:23.860 I mean you
01:19:24.520 mentioned the
01:19:25.200 mayor
01:19:25.500 is it any
01:19:27.100 surprise to
01:19:27.700 either of you
01:19:28.220 in this city
01:19:28.800 right now
01:19:29.260 that something
01:19:29.720 like this
01:19:30.120 would happen
01:19:30.620 on a you
01:19:31.640 know on a
01:19:32.000 government
01:19:32.260 related board
01:19:33.140 there's just
01:19:33.960 you know
01:19:34.320 it's time
01:19:36.200 and time
01:19:36.540 again we see
01:19:37.260 this same
01:19:37.680 kind of thing
01:19:38.100 so your
01:19:38.400 question about
01:19:38.980 you know
01:19:39.280 have I ever
01:19:39.920 sat in a
01:19:40.360 comms meeting
01:19:40.860 said should
01:19:41.380 we get an
01:19:41.760 approval from
01:19:42.440 you know a
01:19:43.440 terrorist organization
01:19:44.180 of course not
01:19:45.080 but I think
01:19:46.100 it's I think
01:19:46.900 it just goes
01:19:47.360 to show
01:19:47.780 just how
01:19:48.540 you know
01:19:49.840 rotten and 0.93
01:19:50.540 anti-semitic 0.97
01:19:51.300 you know many
01:19:51.820 of these
01:19:52.080 organizations are
01:19:53.160 that nobody
01:19:54.380 batted an eyelash
01:19:55.380 when that was
01:19:55.960 the you know
01:19:56.760 the talking
01:19:57.380 point when they
01:19:58.400 said how are
01:19:59.220 we going to
01:19:59.460 respond and
01:19:59.920 justify this
01:20:00.540 oh let's
01:20:01.040 just say we
01:20:01.500 haven't reached
01:20:01.960 out and gotten
01:20:02.380 approval from the
01:20:03.080 terrorist organization
01:20:04.080 you know like
01:20:04.640 we you know
01:20:05.540 imagine a 9-11
01:20:06.400 documentary
01:20:07.260 we haven't
01:20:07.640 heard back
01:20:07.980 from the
01:20:08.240 Taliban 0.97
01:20:08.500 we haven't
01:20:08.840 heard back
01:20:09.160 from Osama 0.99
01:20:09.700 if we show
01:20:10.160 the Taliban
01:20:10.520 we paged
01:20:11.680 Osama Bin
01:20:12.280 Laden but he
01:20:12.760 hasn't gotten
01:20:13.100 back to us
01:20:13.760 so you know
01:20:14.320 let's let's
01:20:14.880 let's put this
01:20:15.480 documentary on
01:20:16.120 the shelf
01:20:16.440 for a couple
01:20:16.860 years
01:20:17.200 yeah
01:20:17.620 and I think
01:20:18.680 it's important
01:20:19.160 people know
01:20:19.760 Chris is not
01:20:20.520 joking everybody
01:20:21.420 that's literally
01:20:22.680 what Cameron
01:20:23.420 Bailey said
01:20:24.100 to Barry
01:20:24.560 Average
01:20:24.880 you need to
01:20:26.100 get permission
01:20:26.840 from Haas
01:20:27.880 you know
01:20:28.280 but the footage
01:20:28.940 you use in
01:20:29.540 your film
01:20:29.900 they literally
01:20:30.780 said that
01:20:31.480 like it's
01:20:31.880 madness
01:20:32.440 on a massive
01:20:33.440 scale
01:20:34.020 and what
01:20:35.160 Chris is
01:20:35.780 saying
01:20:36.020 it's not
01:20:36.460 a joke
01:20:36.840 that's
01:20:37.200 actually
01:20:37.600 what
01:20:38.000 Tiff
01:20:38.320 did
01:20:38.700 yeah
01:20:39.140 let me
01:20:39.520 pause it
01:20:39.860 there
01:20:40.060 only to
01:20:40.680 point out
01:20:41.060 the irony
01:20:41.660 that the
01:20:42.440 land
01:20:42.860 that Tiff 0.98
01:20:43.760 is built
01:20:44.240 on
01:20:44.560 was donated
01:20:45.580 by the
01:20:46.480 Holocaust 0.95
01:20:46.740 survivors
01:20:47.220 and the
01:20:47.440 family
01:20:47.740 of philanthropic
01:20:48.580 the Reitman
01:20:49.340 family
01:20:49.740 so they
01:20:50.700 should put
01:20:51.040 that in
01:20:51.760 their pipe
01:20:52.380 and maybe
01:20:52.780 smoke it
01:20:53.200 when we
01:20:53.740 come back
01:20:54.380 with Warren
01:20:54.960 and Chris
01:20:55.640 we're going
01:20:55.880 to talk
01:20:56.160 about comments
01:20:56.760 that Premier
01:20:57.240 Ford said
01:20:57.840 about hunting
01:20:58.600 down scientists
01:20:59.600 who test
01:21:00.680 on animals
01:21:01.260 too far
01:21:02.280 don't make that
01:21:03.280 into
01:21:18.800 near
01:21:19.500 Houston
01:21:20.440 inscription
01:21:20.980 in
01:21:22.080 the
01:21:22.560 Blessed
01:21:23.120 and
01:21:23.360 articulated
01:21:24.040 BP
01:21:24.880 hepat
01:21:25.880 and
01:21:26.840 melted
01:21:27.000 into
01:21:27.920 ground
01:21:28.920 by
01:21:29.700 founder
01:21:30.260 on
01:21:30.700 vérit
01:21:31.540 Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
01:22:01.540 Oh, oh, oh, oh
01:22:31.540 Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
01:22:35.800 Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
01:22:37.860 Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
01:22:39.080 Oh, oh you're always part of your breakthrough
01:22:41.680 Oh, oh
01:22:42.360 Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh 0.99
01:22:55.020 I'm gonna take a damn 0.99
01:23:13.740 I'm gonna find you alive 0.99
01:23:15.500 I'm gonna stay alive
01:23:17.320 I'm gonna stay alive 1.00
01:23:18.120 I'm gonna take a damn 0.99
01:23:20.720 I'm gonna feel that way 0.99
01:23:22.500 I'm gonna stay alive
01:23:24.960 Can I stay alive
01:23:28.240 They make me cry
01:23:30.380 Can I stay alive
01:23:31.620 They make me cry
01:23:33.360 Can I stay alive
01:23:35.560 They make me cry
01:23:37.360 Can I stay alive
01:23:46.660 And they make me cry
01:23:48.820 We'll be right back.
01:24:18.820 We'll be right back.
01:24:48.820 We'll be right back.