kinsellacast - KINSELLACAST 374： Extra long with no SFH whatsoever - but with Lilley, Pierson, Znaimer! Plus Toots, Slits, Dirty Nil and Swell Maps!

00:00:00.000 It's the KinsellaCast, starring Warren Kinsella.

00:00:19.380 Hey, it's Warren. Welcome to the KinsellaCast.

00:00:23.020 And I apologize off the top.

00:00:27.420 We didn't have a KinsellaCast last week.

00:00:30.000 Why? Well, because I had a big birthday.

00:00:34.360 And I had lots of stuff going on.

00:00:36.660 Every August, my cousins Laura and Shannon and Diana and Leanne and Lynn, now Eileen, show up.

00:00:48.060 Sometimes Jonathan. This year, Alan.

00:00:51.220 We were up at my cabin. We were here in the county.

00:00:55.920 I got more tattoos. I got an old ballot box.

00:01:00.800 I got a pair of pants.

00:01:03.160 I got a jam live record.

00:01:06.140 Alan gave me an Israeli flag, a vintage Israeli flag.

00:01:11.800 Diane and Eileen gave me an Inuit sculpture.

00:01:14.860 I got great stuff from all of them.

00:01:18.620 But most importantly, I just had a great time with them.

00:01:22.400 So I just did not have time to get around to the podcast.

00:01:25.560 And I can't believe I am this old.

00:01:29.300 Like, I never thought I'd reach 20.

00:01:32.240 You know, I was a typical teenage punk rocker.

00:01:35.740 There I was with Alan and Pierre wrestling on the cloud trail on my 20th birthday in front of the Mr. Sub, stopping traffic.

00:01:45.480 And, like, I thought, that's it.

00:01:47.840 Okay, I'm not going to get any further.

00:01:49.500 But here I am.

00:01:50.640 I'm kind of like a dad and been a lawyer.

00:01:56.720 Well, I guess I still am.

00:01:58.420 And I've got books and have a business and different stuff.

00:02:04.600 Things, it just, I never thought that I would do.

00:02:08.060 I never thought this stuff would happen.

00:02:09.660 And I'm grateful people, you included, seem to give a bit of a shit what I have to say.

00:02:17.020 I'm not sure why you do.

00:02:18.960 But I'm grateful.

00:02:20.880 And so it's all weird.

00:02:22.200 And I just feel like I've been blessed.

00:02:25.300 And the best parents ever.

00:02:27.580 Miss them every day.

00:02:29.440 And amazing brothers.

00:02:32.640 Got three kids who love me.

00:02:35.180 Got incredible friends like Alan and Pierre.

00:02:38.080 And Alan.

00:02:40.740 Well, I said Alan already.

00:02:42.160 Sorry, Alan.

00:02:42.760 You get it twice.

00:02:44.200 And Jonathan and Harvey.

00:02:48.080 And been with some amazing people in my life.

00:02:53.120 Amazing women.

00:02:55.180 Well, except two.

00:02:56.520 But the rest of them have been amazing.

00:02:58.580 And I'm grateful to all of them.

00:03:01.820 And so, like, if I drop dead tomorrow,

00:03:04.960 and I've never thought that I was going to die in a bed somewhere.

00:03:09.880 A hundred percent, I'm getting shot or stabbed.

00:03:12.460 Like, that's what's happening.

00:03:14.120 And I'm good with that.

00:03:16.680 I just prefer a much more dramatic exit, you know?

00:03:21.120 A bang instead of a whimper.

00:03:22.920 So it's been okay.

00:03:24.000 Like, the books, I got one coming out this year.

00:03:28.100 Music, just put out a record.

00:03:29.620 I got back just this afternoon.

00:03:32.600 The guys and I were getting ready for a gig at the Bovine in September.

00:03:37.600 Doing painting.

00:03:39.300 Even sell some.

00:03:40.840 Incredibly.

00:03:42.380 Politics.

00:03:43.000 Feel good about the six majorities.

00:03:44.920 I played a small role in.

00:03:46.560 So, like, if I check out tomorrow,

00:03:50.200 my friend Nick,

00:03:51.800 I'll just let all you guys know,

00:03:53.060 my friend Nick is going to put something up on my website,

00:03:56.080 and then it's going to disappear.

00:03:57.960 And it's all going to disappear.

00:03:59.480 Everything.

00:04:00.320 That's what I want.

00:04:01.440 I want it all wiped out,

00:04:02.520 because I don't think anything,

00:04:03.760 it's not profound, as I like to say.

00:04:07.640 So, um,

00:04:09.360 I grow old.

00:04:10.720 I grow old.

00:04:12.300 I shall wear my trousers rolled.

00:04:15.860 Never.

00:04:17.360 Never will I wear my trousers rolled.

00:04:20.220 Welcome to the Kinsella cast,

00:04:22.320 and welcome to Warren's Twilight Days.

00:04:25.120 I will never go,

00:04:33.760 no,

00:04:34.060 I'll never,

00:04:35.060 I'll never,

00:04:36.080 I'll never,

00:04:36.540 I'll never,

00:04:37.420 I'll never,

00:04:38.500 I'll never,

00:04:39.340 I'll never,

00:04:40.080 cause I walk,

00:04:43.020 and I walk,

00:04:45.380 and I talk,

00:04:47.120 and I talk,

00:04:48.860 I swear,

00:04:50.820 Until I found my love

00:05:20.820 And I walked, and I walked

00:05:40.820 And I thought, and I thought

00:05:44.820 I thought, I swear

00:05:50.820 Until I found my love

00:05:54.820 I will never, I will never

00:05:56.820 ...

00:05:58.820 ...

00:06:02.820 ...

00:06:12.820 and we're back we're back after a week's absence i apologize to brian and to our millions of fans

00:06:28.700 um but it was my birthday and i decided fuck it fuck it i'm not gonna have a podcast so

00:06:34.520 i hung out all my female cousins come every year and hung out with them and that was a lot of fun

00:06:39.620 but i missed i missed the dulcet tones of the lily voice and um he's now back so welcome back

00:06:46.340 lily voice well thanks for having me and glad you survived yet another celebration of the birth of

00:06:52.720 the war and child the birth the festival of joy so um why why are people mean brian like brian

00:07:00.480 like brian maloney he's passed away everybody um you know he was a pretty good prime minister on

00:07:08.740 balance notwithstanding how miserable i made his life when i worked for kretzian but it was

00:07:13.440 nothing personal um like people don't want to recognize brian maloney like a federal body like

00:07:20.680 what the hell yeah this is the uh national historic monuments uh board and they've been around since

00:07:29.520 i think 1919 or something like that and you know normally your prime minister you died they recognize

00:07:38.440 you as a person a national historic person that's the official title and you know when the most recent

00:07:46.360 prime minister who passed away before uh maloney died that was john turner who was prime minister from

00:07:52.860 june until september 1984 but but you know did a lot else for the country in terms of cabinet positions

00:07:59.920 you know life and business and all of that he was recognized he died in september he was recognized

00:08:05.820 the the next april at the next board meeting uh when pierre trudeau died he died in september he was

00:08:13.760 recognized at the next meeting in april but rooney dies and they come up with a rule and say

00:08:19.060 we got to wait 25 years that's that's disgusting like that's really me that is me you you can dislike

00:08:27.360 the guy i don't care if you love or hate brian maloney you can't deny he is a person of historic

00:08:34.520 significance in this country no you cannot so so just it leaves me scratching my head well as you wrote in

00:08:42.660 the paper you know south africa free trade improved relationship of the world he had many many

00:08:49.780 achievements and you know two huge majority governments believe me i know i was there and

00:08:57.140 he he deserves recognition well somebody else who got recognition this week um there's a very smooth

00:09:03.960 segue is uh vladimir putin i didn't actually mind some people are going to lose their mind about this

00:09:10.160 i didn't mind that trump was meeting with putin because as yitzhak rabin says who else do you make

00:09:15.560 peace with but your enemy i really felt like as i said to you vomiting when i saw marines laying out

00:09:22.560 the red carpet or being told to lay out the red carpet for a murderous dictator that i had a problem

00:09:28.080 with what was your take on the summit uh i i loved the b2 bomber and the f-22s going overhead yeah

00:09:35.900 that was good to be that was good podium they're gonna stand on that that was a boss move it's like

00:09:41.300 yep we got we've got bomber planes over your head vladimir um look it's pageantry uh i've heard a few

00:09:50.560 people say they didn't like the the red carpet and i get it but it's pageantry you're trying to

00:09:56.760 butter the guy up to get a deal and um i know a lot of people think that trump has been in poops

00:10:03.680 for years i think that what he is doing right now is exactly what needs to be done and and i i can't

00:10:10.800 recall someone negotiating for p

00:10:14.360 i want you to come to a deal yeah let's get and if you do i'm going to give you economic benefits and

00:10:25.440 right now russia's economy is in the shitter it's not doing well right so he's saying

00:10:32.400 you come to peace you stop the war the economic benefits if you do not we're going to ratchet up

00:10:39.700 even further and you know after three years distinctions folks might be saying well what

00:10:44.680 else can you do just in the last week or so uh trump put tariffs on india for buying russian oil

00:10:52.220 so now he's going around and he's telling people uh not only don't do business with them you do

00:10:58.360 business with them i'll screw with your economy yeah that's fair enough that fair enough um i i i hope

00:11:05.820 it comes to to a deal uh there's gonna have to be some negotiation i know zelinski's saying

00:11:12.020 no we won't give up any land it you know show me a war where there's been a treaty at the end

00:11:18.040 and land hasn't been exchanged one way or the other the devil's in the details we we need kind

00:11:23.760 of land swaps obviously they're not getting kremia back but that disappeared in 2014 and the world did

00:11:29.180 nothing for them i wish we had so you know hopefully it's not russia gets to keep all the

00:11:37.240 land that they currently have hopefully there's a bit of a swapping back and forth both countries

00:11:42.100 made somewhat whole i hate giving putin anything but 69 of the population in ukraine now wants a

00:11:50.140 settlement they want a negotiated peace because this war has been grinding on them yeah it's the

00:11:55.680 kensellian rule wars are easy to start they're a lot harder to to finish um some interesting facts

00:12:03.420 statistics um have come out from david coletto uh and abacus in the past few days um you know and i

00:12:13.120 know there's been all of these these chorus of of tribute to mark carney all summer bad news polling

00:12:20.400 for pierre polyev and the ndp great numbers for carney and for his liberals but coletto came up with

00:12:29.340 some stuff in the past few days saying well better be careful there liberals um the the questions he's

00:12:37.420 asking maybe you you could talk about them a little bit is carney kind of understanding my life carney

00:12:44.040 knowing what i'm going through carney being in touch with the everyday reality of canadians

00:12:49.780 the numbers there are not so good and coletto saying that creates real opportunity for the conservative

00:12:56.340 party yeah uh david's been asking these kinds of interesting questions uh for years i think i first

00:13:05.060 started working with them in 2010 we he's not the son's pollster now but he was for several years

00:13:11.040 and always asking fascinating questions like that it tells you where people's heads are at

00:13:17.500 carney is getting the benefit of the doubt um because what other option do folks have and

00:13:26.080 you know is he doing a bad job yet i don't know is he doing a good job yet i don't know like we can't

00:13:33.940 really assess it yet and everyone's kind of in a wait and see i've been saying for a while he's got

00:13:40.860 to start delivering now he hasn't delivered in the ways that that i want by the way you know unlike

00:13:46.400 some of my email correspondence uh readers i do want him to succeed he won the election if he doesn't

00:13:53.100 succeed the country doesn't and but i thought he would have delivered a few more things by now than

00:14:00.720 he has and so yeah there there is opportunity there now i'll tell you that i've spoken with

00:14:10.760 various provincial governments who are saying great things about him and how good he is to work with and

00:14:17.480 that you know if he delivers on a few things for them that they'll be very happy but they're also

00:14:24.340 in that but we're waiting to see if he actually delivers so you know he's talked about these

00:14:29.540 projects of national importance i thought he would have had his list out at the end of may beginning

00:14:33.600 of june we're now into mid-august it's not there he's talked about things like two years to approval for

00:14:40.940 a pipeline well again we're into mid-august if he doesn't announce anything until september then

00:14:47.920 you've got to find a proponent then you've got to go through consultation we're into a year before

00:14:54.800 anything of significance was a year of him being in office before anything of significance happens

00:15:00.140 that's not going at the lightning speed that he was talking about so he has to start delivering

00:15:05.500 to keep the honeymoon alive but you know coletto's been alone in in finding in his polling as well

00:15:12.660 that support for the conservatives did not drop off at the end and i think it was tristan hopper at

00:15:18.360 national post said if you take people 55 and over out of the equation uh carney support drops a lot

00:15:25.480 and and he really does have a hold on that demographic bad news for the conservatives not that there will be

00:15:31.940 an election anytime soon they're the most likely voters and they used to be conservative voters

00:15:36.660 so you know if if carney delivers he can have a cretchen like moment where he holds the center and the

00:15:45.960 left and the center right and can govern for a long time if he doesn't deliver this could be a short

00:15:52.220 honeymoon he could be a mr dither's paul martin type guy one last question i am verily informed by my

00:16:00.400 sources that one brian moroni attended the king's plate yesterday wearing an ascot and wearing a top

00:16:07.480 hat brian lily but brian moroni has passed oh yeah oh sorry well freudgen slipped so uh yeah no sleep

00:16:15.020 last night it was band weekend so did you attend said event i i did i was not in a top hat um i you know

00:16:24.240 i was dressed appropriately you you you can't go like a schlub to the king's plate uh this is

00:16:31.120 second or third year going in a row and it's a lot of fun i i love horses i love horse racing and this is

00:16:40.100 the oldest continuously run horse race in north america and uh yeah so um manciepi i think was the horse that won

00:16:50.120 yesterday million dollar prize biggest prize in canadian horse racing um it may not be the

00:16:56.160 kentucky derby but it's our version of it and it's a lot of fun excellent well i just want to remind you

00:17:01.940 that loving horses in this province is illegal okay so just love your horse don't love your horse

00:17:10.460 the animal that i love the most is sitting in my lap right now story as we talk she's a honey bunch

00:17:18.100 chloe the wonder dog does so many radio hits with me just laying in my lap it's great she is a great

00:17:26.540 great dog all right brother uh great to hear your voice sorry about the gap last week but you probably

00:17:31.780 appreciated getting some of your sunday morning back have a great day great week and i'll see you

00:17:37.140 back in toronto i think this week thank you see you soon

00:17:39.780 i bet i bet i bet i bet i bet i bet on what i knew what your plans to make you do

00:18:08.100 With some other girl you knew before

00:18:11.840 But you have a kind, you know I love you more

00:18:15.480 Took me my surprise, I must say

00:18:19.660 When I fall in love yesterday

00:18:22.860 I've heard it through the great vine

00:18:26.580 And not much longer will you be mine

00:18:30.360 I've heard it through the great vine

00:18:33.940 And I'm just about to lose my mind

00:18:37.840 Honey, honey, I heard it through the great vine

00:18:40.780 And not much longer will you be mine

00:18:42.760 I know a man is supposed to cry

00:18:48.620 But these tears I can't hold inside

00:18:52.240 Losing you would mean my life, you see

00:18:55.840 Cause you mean that much to me

00:18:59.600 You could have taught me yourself

00:19:03.460 That you love, love, love

00:19:07.240 And not much longer will you be mine

00:19:14.440 I heard it through the great vine

00:19:17.840 And I'm just about to lose my mind

00:19:21.900 Honey, honey, I heard it through the great vine

00:19:24.820 And not much longer will you be my baby

00:19:27.600 People see the hand from what you see

00:19:32.540 Run and hide from what you hear

00:19:36.360 But I can't hide being confused

00:19:39.760 If it's true, please tell me dear

00:19:43.720 Do you plan to let me go

00:19:47.700 Do you plan to let me go

00:19:47.720 For this other guy you knew

00:19:50.700 Never

00:19:51.440 I heard it through the great vine

00:19:54.800 And not much longer will you be mine

00:19:58.780 Oh, I heard it through the great vine

00:20:02.100 I'm just about to lose my mind

00:20:06.280 Honey, honey

00:20:07.280 Ooh

00:20:14.140 One

00:20:15.100 I heard it through the great vine

00:20:16.420 And not much longer will you be mine

00:20:18.600 Baby

00:20:19.080 Two

00:20:20.780 I heard it through the great vine

00:20:23.680 And not much longer will you be mine

00:20:25.680 Baby

00:20:26.200 Oh, no

00:20:27.780 You heard it through the great vine

00:20:30.780 And not much longer will you be mine

00:20:32.680 Baby

00:20:33.440 Da, da, da

00:20:35.780 Da-da da, I heard it through the grapevine

00:20:38.180 Now much longer will you be my baby

00:20:40.900 Da-da da da

00:20:45.620 Now much longer will you be my baby

00:20:48.280 Da-da da da

00:20:51.080 Now much longer will you be my baby

00:21:00.100 So wonderin' how I knew

00:21:00.640 But your plans to make me blue

00:21:04.340 You're some other guy you knew before

00:21:08.100 You're two of a kind, you know I love you more

00:21:11.860 Do you plan to let me go

00:21:16.080 For this other guy you knew before

00:21:19.560 I'm just about to lose my mind

00:21:23.320 And I'm just about to lose my mind

00:21:27.180 And I'm just about to lose my mind

00:21:30.940 And I'm just about to lose my mind

00:21:34.280 Warren Kinsella, thank you so much for coming in.

00:21:38.400 I'm so glad that we're going to have a chance for a long conversation.

00:21:42.580 We've had many short conversations, but there's so much I would like to know.

00:21:48.000 Now, you are basically a hero in the Jewish community

00:21:54.380 because you have emerged as an ally, as an advocate in the face of this.

00:22:00.940 Huge explosion of anti-Semitism, you've kept at it day after day after day

00:22:07.740 And so, my first question is, so how did you come to that?

00:22:11.780 You're an Irish Catholic guy.

00:22:15.520 I'm a Zionist.

00:22:16.840 I mean, it was how my parents raised my brothers and I

00:22:20.440 I grew up in Montreal in a Jewish neighborhood

00:22:24.060 So my friends were Jewish, it was just normal, it was our life.

00:22:28.380 Which neighborhood?

00:22:29.600 Near Snowden.

00:22:30.780 Oh, me too.

00:22:31.720 Near Snowden, Delhi, yes.

00:22:32.960 So that's where my parents had their first date, is Snowden, Delhi.

00:22:36.580 And so it was just part of our life, it's how my parents raised us.

00:22:41.500 And of course, you know, I've been taught about the Holocaust

00:22:45.740 and anti-Semitism and all the terrible parts of human history

00:22:51.060 and, but I, I may not look like it now, but I was in the punk scene

00:22:56.220 in Calgary in high school.

00:22:58.180 I had my own record label and a band and I put on shows

00:23:02.420 and there was one show we did at the University of Calgary

00:23:06.400 we were opening for this well-known British punk band called 999

00:23:11.000 so it was like a big deal for us, we were pretty excited

00:23:13.760 so we played our set and then we climbed down off the stage

00:23:18.060 and got into the crowd with our buddies

00:23:20.720 and one of my friends tapped me on the shoulder

00:23:24.380 and he said, there's some guys over there making Nazi salutes

00:23:28.660 and I said to him, that's not possible

00:23:31.600 like, that's crazy

00:23:34.320 so I worked my way through the crowd over to the side

00:23:38.400 and there were in fact three guys, big guys

00:23:42.220 shaved heads, suspenders, jeans, t-shirts

00:23:45.940 Doc Martin booths, colored laces

00:23:48.500 one of them was wearing a t-shirt that said

00:23:51.740 drown the boat people

00:23:52.820 and at that point in our history

00:23:57.300 we were accepting refugees from Cambodia

00:24:00.340 Late 70s?

00:24:01.400 Yeah, late 70s, early 80s

00:24:03.440 and so I went up to the guy in the t-shirt

00:24:08.260 and so I won't use his language

00:24:11.760 but I said, you should stop

00:24:14.500 and he said, F you, Jew

00:24:18.100 and I said, you should stop

00:24:21.760 and he said, F you, Jew

00:24:24.820 and I said, I'm not a Jew

00:24:26.420 I'm Irish and I'm Catholic and you should stop

00:24:29.940 so he took a swing at me

00:24:31.940 so a fight started

00:24:33.060 and my buddies were with me

00:24:37.720 so we beat them

00:24:38.860 so they retreated

00:24:41.500 licking their wounds

00:24:43.220 and so we went back to enjoying the show

00:24:46.680 and after the show

00:24:48.840 we came out through the doors

00:24:50.340 and these guys, these skinheads

00:24:53.660 were sitting on the stairs

00:24:55.140 and the guy in the t-shirt pointed at me

00:25:01.520 he said, we'll be back

00:25:03.440 and so what I discovered

00:25:05.880 in the intervening years

00:25:07.220 as a citizen, as a lawyer

00:25:09.140 as a political advisor

00:25:12.120 is they never really went away

00:25:14.400 they diminished somewhat

00:25:18.580 at different times

00:25:20.220 but then they usually come back

00:25:22.780 and what was extraordinary

00:25:24.560 was October 7th, 2023

00:25:26.700 when they came roaring back

00:25:29.940 on that day

00:25:31.800 on the day when the world

00:25:34.180 should have been sympathetic

00:25:35.440 towards the obvious victims

00:25:37.960 of that day

00:25:38.800 which is the people of Israel

00:25:41.580 citizens

00:25:42.240 just citizens, civilians

00:25:44.240 and it was an explosion

00:25:47.700 of anti-Semitism

00:25:48.560 that hasn't subsided since

00:25:50.300 When you say they

00:25:52.560 who do you mean

00:25:53.280 obviously it's more than skinheads

00:25:56.180 They become organized

00:25:58.960 they become well-funded

00:26:00.360 they become bolder

00:26:03.160 and they become much more effective

00:26:05.680 than what I experienced

00:26:07.060 so many years ago

00:26:08.160 with a group of skinheads

00:26:10.520 they, in this case

00:26:12.900 I liken them to a political campaign

00:26:14.820 because my background

00:26:15.800 I run political campaigns

00:26:17.740 I worked for Prime Minister Kretzian

00:26:19.400 ran his war rooms

00:26:21.320 and I know a campaign

00:26:24.160 when I see it

00:26:25.120 when it has money

00:26:27.000 and when it has organization

00:26:28.460 it has people

00:26:29.460 it has leadership

00:26:30.360 it has messages

00:26:31.340 it has strategy

00:26:32.540 and this campaign

00:26:34.660 against Israel

00:26:35.700 and the West

00:26:36.500 has that in abundance

00:26:38.400 so the they

00:26:39.960 if you use that

00:26:41.280 metaphor of a political campaign

00:26:43.540 the campaign manager

00:26:45.520 is Iran

00:26:46.220 the banker is Qatar

00:26:48.860 and various NGOs

00:26:50.420 and non-profits

00:26:51.740 and charities

00:26:52.760 here in the West

00:26:53.900 the rank and file

00:26:56.660 are young people

00:26:58.560 principally

00:26:59.200 Gen Z

00:26:59.800 so from about the ages

00:27:01.520 of 18 to 24

00:27:02.980 or millennials

00:27:04.360 from about the age

00:27:05.320 of 25 to 39

00:27:06.780 those are the two demographics

00:27:09.060 with which this campaign

00:27:11.000 has been

00:27:11.980 been most successful

00:27:13.760 who have bought into

00:27:15.360 this false notion

00:27:17.000 that Israel is an apartheid

00:27:19.660 fascist

00:27:21.180 white supremacist state

00:27:22.840 and

00:27:24.420 that's when I became

00:27:26.920 even more active

00:27:27.980 with the book

00:27:28.620 that I've written

00:27:29.620 with the documentary

00:27:30.640 that we're finishing

00:27:31.960 and then with this group

00:27:33.820 I've got called

00:27:34.660 Facts Matter

00:27:35.280 to Fight Antisemitism

00:27:36.440 to push back

00:27:38.240 because I know

00:27:38.780 how to do that

00:27:39.420 I know how to run a campaign

00:27:40.720 so I decided

00:27:42.060 I'm not going to wait

00:27:43.020 for somebody else to do it

00:27:44.260 I'm going to do this

00:27:45.180 what made you

00:27:46.740 do it to such an extent

00:27:49.080 let's say

00:27:49.820 I've had Holocaust survivors

00:27:52.840 come up to me

00:27:53.740 you know

00:27:53.960 I'll speak at a synagogue

00:27:54.900 or something

00:27:55.480 and they'll ask me that

00:27:56.740 and the question

00:27:58.440 kind of bugs me sometimes

00:27:59.600 because

00:28:00.140 it's like

00:28:01.420 well

00:28:01.700 why isn't everybody else

00:28:03.500 doing it

00:28:04.240 to me

00:28:04.720 is really the question

00:28:05.980 where did everybody go

00:28:07.300 and

00:28:08.660 you know

00:28:09.260 for me as I said

00:28:10.100 it's how I was brought up

00:28:11.580 it's what I experienced

00:28:12.780 I saw it

00:28:13.420 it moved from

00:28:14.420 the theoretical

00:28:15.600 it moved from the academic

00:28:17.020 you know

00:28:18.320 in my history books

00:28:20.020 in high school

00:28:20.820 to flesh and blood

00:28:22.920 that night

00:28:23.940 in Calgary

00:28:25.040 but also

00:28:27.860 you know

00:28:29.160 my faith is part of it

00:28:30.520 you know

00:28:31.140 in my faith

00:28:33.100 I'm taught

00:28:33.680 that anti-Semitism

00:28:35.100 is a sin against God

00:28:36.860 it's the most serious sin

00:28:39.060 that there is

00:28:39.980 and you know

00:28:42.820 for me

00:28:43.300 I think the morality

00:28:44.360 of it is

00:28:45.260 the Jewish people

00:28:46.840 are a minority

00:28:48.260 that have been

00:28:48.960 the victim of history

00:28:50.040 and

00:28:51.240 I just got fed up

00:28:53.420 I just had it

00:28:54.940 and so

00:28:56.240 I know how to run campaigns

00:28:57.940 I know how to fight back

00:28:59.480 I'm not afraid to fight back

00:29:01.600 and so that's why

00:29:02.600 I wrote the book

00:29:03.820 and did the documentary

00:29:04.840 and I'm doing the group

00:29:05.920 Facts Matter

00:29:06.680 because I've just had it

00:29:08.940 and I'm going to push back

00:29:10.440 this has all come

00:29:12.100 with a personal cost to you

00:29:15.400 what have you faced

00:29:17.400 as a result of this

00:29:18.880 there's been death threats

00:29:21.080 and bomb threats

00:29:22.860 and

00:29:23.540 attacks on my children

00:29:26.740 all kinds of stuff

00:29:29.340 but it's nothing compared

00:29:30.380 to what

00:29:30.980 my friends

00:29:32.840 in the Jewish community

00:29:34.860 are experiencing

00:29:35.640 they're experiencing it

00:29:37.480 in a much more

00:29:38.340 personal way

00:29:39.600 much more profound way

00:29:41.220 so I don't ever

00:29:42.740 complain about it

00:29:43.980 I'm careful

00:29:45.880 you know

00:29:46.540 I take steps

00:29:47.520 you know

00:29:48.520 I own guns

00:29:49.440 I know how to

00:29:50.480 protect myself

00:29:51.400 and it's sad

00:29:52.740 that it has come

00:29:53.740 to that

00:29:54.640 but

00:29:55.800 this is the world

00:29:57.800 that we live in

00:29:58.600 you know

00:29:58.880 when you look at

00:29:59.420 what happened

00:30:00.040 to that young couple

00:30:01.840 in Washington

00:30:02.740 to those elderly citizens

00:30:05.580 going to just

00:30:07.400 call for the release

00:30:08.920 of the hostages

00:30:09.840 in Boulder

00:30:10.620 one of them being killed

00:30:11.880 we live in a dangerous

00:30:13.840 and dark time

00:30:14.640 and so people have to be careful

00:30:17.400 but what I experience

00:30:18.420 is nothing compared

00:30:19.380 to what my Jewish friends experience

00:30:21.440 what is your reaction

00:30:23.240 to the way

00:30:24.080 police are handling this

00:30:26.860 the way governments

00:30:27.960 are responding to it

00:30:29.660 depends where you are

00:30:31.160 depends on the circumstances

00:30:33.120 that's a lawyer's answer

00:30:35.060 forgive me

00:30:35.820 but for example

00:30:37.640 there's a group here in Toronto

00:30:40.500 called Art House Teal

00:30:42.340 and they style themselves

00:30:44.820 as a community center

00:30:46.280 so they put up

00:30:47.340 on their Instagram page

00:30:48.740 a graphic

00:30:52.200 of an IDF soldier's helmet

00:30:54.360 with a skull within it

00:30:57.100 and a bullet hole

00:30:58.460 with blood coming out of it

00:30:59.680 and the caption they put on it

00:31:01.680 was death to the IDF

00:31:03.340 which is what Bob Villan

00:31:04.820 a rap group in Britain

00:31:06.780 had said at Glastonbury

00:31:08.280 just a few days before

00:31:09.780 so I decided

00:31:12.800 it's not enough

00:31:13.920 just to put up a tweet

00:31:15.040 objecting to it

00:31:16.080 so I wrote to the police

00:31:17.620 I wrote to the Toronto Police Service

00:31:19.160 and I'll give them credit

00:31:21.260 I've been critical of them

00:31:23.220 but they were meeting

00:31:24.640 with a member of my staff

00:31:26.160 within an hour

00:31:27.880 and they've now opened

00:31:29.540 a criminal investigation

00:31:30.580 so that's a good example

00:31:33.700 of them acting

00:31:35.560 same police force

00:31:37.240 at the start of all of this

00:31:39.420 protests in the Eaton Center

00:31:43.120 terrorizing families there

00:31:45.860 to see Santa Claus

00:31:47.420 and one of these guys

00:31:50.380 wearing a mask

00:31:51.320 a thug

00:31:52.140 and saying

00:31:53.160 I'm going to put you

00:31:53.860 six feet under

00:31:54.520 right in front of the police

00:31:56.140 right in front of a group

00:31:58.640 of police officers

00:31:59.520 and they did nothing

00:32:00.840 so that

00:32:02.280 like there's this range

00:32:03.820 where some days

00:32:05.160 they wake up

00:32:06.360 and other days

00:32:07.620 it's like

00:32:08.060 where did they go

00:32:08.880 where are the prosecutors

00:32:10.440 where are the police

00:32:11.440 where are the politicians

00:32:12.660 they're gone

00:32:13.760 and what

00:32:15.260 they should know

00:32:16.700 by now

00:32:17.400 is

00:32:18.480 what I've experienced

00:32:19.720 what I've learned

00:32:20.380 is that these people

00:32:21.260 are very organized

00:32:22.400 they've got money

00:32:24.080 they've got an army

00:32:25.760 to do their bidding

00:32:27.080 to promote anti-Semitism

00:32:28.580 and hatred

00:32:29.300 they're not going away

00:32:30.780 if anything

00:32:32.060 the inability

00:32:33.840 or the reluctance

00:32:35.000 of the police

00:32:35.680 to arrest them

00:32:36.680 and deal with

00:32:38.380 what is

00:32:39.340 violations of the law

00:32:41.100 is emboldening them

00:32:43.120 they're getting more

00:32:44.440 and more

00:32:44.820 well of course

00:32:45.660 the excuse

00:32:47.440 or the explanation

00:32:48.880 from the police

00:32:49.680 is always

00:32:50.400 well

00:32:51.280 sometimes we have

00:32:52.540 to de-escalate

00:32:53.620 sometimes we are

00:32:55.200 way outnumbered

00:32:56.380 by these people

00:32:57.860 protesting

00:32:58.580 there are protests

00:33:00.560 every weekend

00:33:01.900 shutting down highways

00:33:04.780 shutting down roads

00:33:06.520 intimidating people

00:33:08.220 in the Jewish community

00:33:09.420 the principle of the law

00:33:11.420 of the criminal law

00:33:12.500 is deterrence

00:33:13.360 judges say that

00:33:15.120 when they're about

00:33:15.620 to pass sentence

00:33:16.400 about whatever the

00:33:17.360 conviction has been

00:33:18.900 to deter others

00:33:20.740 from doing the same thing

00:33:22.200 and that's not happening

00:33:23.720 here

00:33:24.040 and it's not just

00:33:24.660 the police

00:33:25.300 it's the prosecutors

00:33:26.420 who make the decision

00:33:27.440 to lay the charges

00:33:29.720 and initiate the prosecution

00:33:31.320 it's the politicians

00:33:32.760 who give the policy

00:33:33.920 to the police

00:33:34.820 all of them

00:33:35.940 are culpable

00:33:36.660 all of them

00:33:37.800 are negligent

00:33:38.680 in some way

00:33:39.700 now there's some places

00:33:41.160 where they do better

00:33:42.920 than others

00:33:43.320 the mayor of Ottawa

00:33:44.160 for example

00:33:44.840 there have been

00:33:46.080 two attempts

00:33:46.880 two mass casualty

00:33:48.460 conspiracies

00:33:49.960 against Jews

00:33:50.960 in the city of Ottawa

00:33:52.360 they've been stopped

00:33:53.100 by the RCMP

00:33:53.840 and the mayor there

00:33:55.340 has been terrific

00:33:56.320 you know

00:33:57.280 unlike in Toronto

00:33:58.440 where Olivia Chow

00:33:59.400 refuses to attend

00:34:00.640 the simple lifting

00:34:02.600 of the Israeli flag

00:34:03.840 which is the tradition here

00:34:05.120 on one day

00:34:06.120 he

00:34:07.100 the bureaucrats

00:34:08.560 in Ottawa

00:34:09.020 said oh we don't

00:34:09.800 want to show it

00:34:10.500 he said no

00:34:11.280 we're going to have

00:34:12.320 that event

00:34:12.820 I'm going to show up

00:34:13.840 so there is

00:34:14.960 some leadership

00:34:15.780 she is not a friend

00:34:17.280 of the Jewish community

00:34:18.420 I mean at the beginning

00:34:20.340 we kind of assumed

00:34:21.940 well her supporters

00:34:23.980 her fellow travelers

00:34:25.780 are very anti-Israelis

00:34:27.400 the unions

00:34:28.040 Fred Hahn

00:34:29.220 it's certain communities

00:34:33.760 but now people

00:34:36.440 are wondering

00:34:37.020 is she herself

00:34:38.880 an anti-Semite

00:34:40.220 and she

00:34:41.120 you know

00:34:41.740 the flank

00:34:43.020 something like the flank

00:34:44.100 that's symbolic

00:34:44.960 okay

00:34:46.140 but

00:34:47.380 there was one occasion

00:34:49.340 where

00:34:49.820 I think

00:34:50.440 the veil dropped

00:34:52.080 and we got to see

00:34:53.820 who she really is

00:34:55.040 and that was when

00:34:56.580 finally

00:34:57.300 like many other jurisdictions

00:34:59.440 finally

00:35:00.380 Toronto decided

00:35:01.460 it needed a bubble law

00:35:03.040 we have had

00:35:04.000 synagogues fire bombed

00:35:05.360 we have

00:35:06.220 schools

00:35:07.700 for little kids

00:35:09.480 that have been shot up

00:35:11.700 once

00:35:12.520 twice

00:35:13.100 three times

00:35:13.900 we have had

00:35:14.900 death threats

00:35:15.740 we have had

00:35:16.860 arsons

00:35:17.680 we need to protect

00:35:19.960 those places

00:35:21.540 we need to protect

00:35:22.520 those places of worship

00:35:23.740 she voted against it

00:35:26.320 the mayor of Toronto

00:35:28.700 voted against it

00:35:29.960 that to me

00:35:31.520 was when she was

00:35:32.820 beyond redemption

00:35:33.900 that was when

00:35:35.540 she showed us

00:35:36.740 who she really is

00:35:37.980 and

00:35:39.360 the federal government

00:35:41.020 now says

00:35:41.620 it is going to do that

00:35:42.620 we have got other places

00:35:43.680 like in Vaughan

00:35:44.620 Stephen Del Duca

00:35:46.680 Brampton

00:35:48.060 it is happening

00:35:49.320 Patrick Brown

00:35:50.260 those are

00:35:51.700 that is all good

00:35:52.660 but

00:35:53.640 you know

00:35:54.400 as a society

00:35:55.460 as a people

00:35:56.240 as a country

00:35:56.920 we need to address

00:35:58.120 what is clearly

00:35:59.020 a big problem

00:36:00.200 that has just been

00:36:00.880 getting worse

00:36:01.460 well

00:36:02.280 again

00:36:03.340 with the bubble laws

00:36:04.840 so

00:36:05.220 it was passed

00:36:06.620 but it is being

00:36:07.600 basically

00:36:08.140 slow walked

00:36:09.700 apparently

00:36:10.740 apparently the places

00:36:11.400 of worship

00:36:11.980 have to apply

00:36:13.160 to be covered

00:36:14.400 and

00:36:15.280 there is no one

00:36:16.860 assigned to enforcement

00:36:18.020 so

00:36:18.520 what is the point

00:36:19.560 yeah

00:36:19.920 and the civil libertarians

00:36:21.020 of course are against it

00:36:22.160 but they are against

00:36:23.580 everything that is

00:36:24.380 commonsensical

00:36:25.280 but

00:36:26.280 you know

00:36:28.260 the notion

00:36:29.080 as you point out

00:36:30.040 that they should have

00:36:31.100 to apply for protection

00:36:32.560 it's like

00:36:33.600 it's a synagogue

00:36:34.340 we don't need

00:36:35.440 to have them

00:36:36.620 apply

00:36:37.120 to prove

00:36:38.000 that they are a synagogue

00:36:38.780 they are a synagogue

00:36:39.520 and like

00:36:40.440 to attack people

00:36:41.720 like in Vancouver

00:36:42.580 there was an attack

00:36:43.520 on the synagogue

00:36:44.140 there

00:36:44.620 it was fire bombed

00:36:46.220 they threw

00:36:47.260 Molotov cocktails

00:36:48.480 at the door

00:36:49.220 of the synagogue

00:36:49.820 while people

00:36:51.480 were inside

00:36:52.320 at prayer

00:36:52.900 at their most

00:36:54.680 vulnerable

00:36:55.300 and

00:36:57.280 that's not

00:36:58.480 Canada

00:36:59.000 that's not

00:37:00.240 who we are

00:37:01.100 that's what

00:37:01.520 we get told

00:37:02.120 we keep saying

00:37:03.740 that's not

00:37:04.360 this is not

00:37:05.240 Canada

00:37:05.640 sorry

00:37:06.400 it is

00:37:07.080 and

00:37:07.700 in

00:37:08.340 you know

00:37:09.400 Vancouver

00:37:10.000 synagogue

00:37:10.660 firebomb

00:37:11.840 in Edmonton

00:37:13.220 somebody walking

00:37:14.160 into city council

00:37:15.520 with a gun

00:37:16.280 Winnipeg

00:37:17.460 the homes of Jews

00:37:18.680 being shot up

00:37:19.920 Montreal

00:37:20.820 an imam

00:37:21.960 standing up

00:37:22.560 in front of

00:37:22.960 20,000 people

00:37:23.820 saying

00:37:24.260 God Allah

00:37:25.480 killed the Jews

00:37:26.560 and in Toronto

00:37:27.820 we've had

00:37:28.420 incident after incident

00:37:29.680 we have a big problem

00:37:31.600 and that's why

00:37:33.020 what I do

00:37:33.980 and what I encourage

00:37:34.700 everybody to do

00:37:35.700 is don't relent

00:37:37.280 I understand

00:37:38.220 it's depressing

00:37:38.980 but don't give up

00:37:40.560 we have to keep pushing

00:37:41.900 the police

00:37:42.560 and the prosecutors

00:37:43.400 and the politicians

00:37:44.500 we have to keep pushing

00:37:46.160 for a lot of us

00:37:47.940 it seems

00:37:48.840 the government

00:37:50.000 is on side with this

00:37:51.340 I mean

00:37:52.700 in terms of

00:37:54.160 the liberals

00:37:54.760 and I know

00:37:55.880 you used to be a liberal

00:37:57.160 I'm not sure

00:37:57.940 where you're at

00:37:58.680 exactly right now

00:37:59.680 you have no home

00:38:00.180 you have no home

00:38:01.580 right now

00:38:02.260 but

00:38:03.700 they are

00:38:04.960 just pandering

00:38:06.360 to some

00:38:07.780 immigrant communities

00:38:09.000 that come from places

00:38:10.180 where anti-Semitism

00:38:11.520 is endemic

00:38:13.000 so

00:38:14.560 it's a political

00:38:16.580 calculus

00:38:17.720 I don't know

00:38:19.540 the new foreign minister

00:38:20.580 Anita Anand

00:38:21.260 she's very anti-Israel

00:38:22.800 as far as I can see

00:38:24.060 I think it's

00:38:25.640 I think some of them

00:38:27.060 I don't know

00:38:27.660 if it's all of them

00:38:28.420 made a crass

00:38:30.140 cynical calculation

00:38:32.560 and they said

00:38:33.880 okay

00:38:34.140 we've got 400,000 Jews

00:38:36.040 in this country

00:38:36.780 and we've got four times

00:38:38.720 as many Muslims

00:38:39.600 and we're going

00:38:42.280 to do it this way

00:38:43.960 so whenever there was

00:38:45.760 an example

00:38:47.180 of anti-Semitic crime

00:38:48.320 they'd deplore that

00:38:49.780 but then they'd deplore

00:38:51.040 Islamophobia

00:38:51.980 as well

00:38:52.660 in the same breath

00:38:53.580 like you couldn't

00:38:54.440 say anything

00:38:55.600 against an incident

00:38:57.460 of anti-Semitism

00:38:58.420 without saying

00:38:59.340 something

00:38:59.900 against Islamophobia

00:39:03.420 and believe me

00:39:04.460 I'm not in favor

00:39:06.060 of Islamophobia

00:39:07.100 but the scales

00:39:08.600 are very imbalanced

00:39:09.820 and because I'm out there

00:39:11.360 you know

00:39:11.780 with my book

00:39:12.460 with the documentary

00:39:13.280 and with this group

00:39:14.300 that I lead

00:39:14.860 I hear from Muslims

00:39:16.740 I hear from Muslims

00:39:18.460 all the time

00:39:19.160 and what they say

00:39:20.760 to me is

00:39:21.780 Warren

00:39:22.380 we object

00:39:23.300 to what is happening

00:39:24.680 to the Jewish people

00:39:25.860 but we object to it

00:39:27.340 because it's destroying

00:39:28.400 the reputation

00:39:28.960 of our faith

00:39:29.960 and then I say

00:39:31.360 to them

00:39:31.540 well why don't you speak up

00:39:32.780 and they say

00:39:33.460 you don't understand

00:39:34.480 what will happen

00:39:36.360 to us

00:39:36.920 if we speak up

00:39:37.880 they'll kill us

00:39:39.720 they will kill us

00:39:41.300 or our families

00:39:42.160 so

00:39:43.100 there is real fear

00:39:44.700 who's they?

00:39:46.020 there is a constituency

00:39:47.400 now

00:39:48.040 that's active here

00:39:48.920 as it is throughout

00:39:50.120 western democracy

00:39:51.200 and you know

00:39:53.100 they're funded

00:39:53.640 by this alphabet soup

00:39:55.860 of charities

00:39:56.880 and NGOs

00:39:57.840 and non-profits

00:39:58.700 like Samadoun

00:39:59.720 Samadoun

00:40:00.700 for example

00:40:01.360 Samadoun

00:40:01.860 is based

00:40:02.540 in Vancouver

00:40:04.360 Samadoun

00:40:05.460 yeah

00:40:05.640 and they

00:40:06.780 are now designated

00:40:09.000 as a terrorist entity

00:40:10.360 but they openly

00:40:11.980 promoted Hamas

00:40:13.400 in particular

00:40:14.300 and Hezbollah

00:40:15.080 as well

00:40:15.600 for years

00:40:16.640 for years

00:40:17.680 their leader

00:40:18.380 Charlotte Kate

00:40:19.460 stood on the stairs

00:40:20.940 of the Vancouver

00:40:22.300 Art Gallery

00:40:23.280 the day after

00:40:25.400 October 7th

00:40:26.960 you know

00:40:27.200 where 1200

00:40:27.860 innocent men

00:40:29.640 women

00:40:29.900 children

00:40:30.300 and babies

00:40:31.320 were slaughtered

00:40:33.040 and Israeli women

00:40:34.380 and girls

00:40:35.080 sexually violated

00:40:36.540 thousands wounded

00:40:38.780 just a terrible day

00:40:41.900 and she

00:40:42.480 paid tribute to it

00:40:44.320 for months

00:40:45.660 afterwards

00:40:46.540 the Canadian government

00:40:47.560 the federal government

00:40:48.240 the Trudeau government

00:40:49.040 which had given her

00:40:50.620 non-profit status

00:40:52.880 you get all kinds

00:40:55.720 of tax benefits

00:40:56.600 from that

00:40:57.240 and so on

00:40:57.900 they let her

00:40:59.040 continue to operate

00:41:00.180 she traveled to

00:41:01.140 Iran

00:41:01.840 to receive an award

00:41:03.440 a human rights award

00:41:04.720 from the number one

00:41:06.740 violator of human rights

00:41:08.440 in the world

00:41:08.860 it's absurd

00:41:09.640 Canada is now

00:41:11.520 considered to have

00:41:12.660 one of the worst

00:41:13.760 anti-Semitism

00:41:14.500 problems

00:41:15.280 in the world

00:41:16.020 the worst

00:41:16.880 the United States

00:41:17.780 followed by Europe

00:41:19.240 and third

00:41:20.620 is Canada

00:41:21.580 Canada

00:41:22.920 statistically

00:41:24.040 numerically

00:41:25.020 if you look at crime

00:41:26.400 you look at

00:41:27.480 anti-Semitic incidents

00:41:29.620 from vandalism

00:41:30.840 to threats

00:41:31.520 and so on

00:41:32.060 we're

00:41:33.000 in the top

00:41:34.560 three

00:41:35.020 for being the worst

00:41:36.120 but where else

00:41:36.780 is there

00:41:37.200 I mean

00:41:37.500 you're talking about

00:41:38.220 most of the world

00:41:39.040 that's not

00:41:40.340 part of the Muslim world

00:41:41.520 no in the west

00:41:42.460 but even in the Muslim world

00:41:44.500 you know

00:41:45.140 some of these things

00:41:48.420 are not permitted

00:41:49.280 you know

00:41:49.740 in Germany

00:41:50.380 and France

00:41:51.000 you're not allowed

00:41:51.660 to stand up

00:41:52.580 and promote Hamas

00:41:53.840 in Britain now

00:41:54.820 if you promote

00:41:55.860 Palestine action

00:41:56.960 as Roger Waters did

00:41:58.360 you know

00:41:58.880 a member of Pink Floyd

00:42:00.060 he's now facing

00:42:01.320 prosecution for that

00:42:02.560 like we have laws

00:42:03.940 like we don't

00:42:04.900 you know

00:42:05.160 people say to me

00:42:05.760 all the time

00:42:06.060 we need a new law

00:42:06.960 I say no we don't

00:42:08.480 we don't

00:42:09.100 we have section 319

00:42:10.740 of the criminal code

00:42:11.740 promoting

00:42:12.720 willfully promoting

00:42:13.740 hatred against

00:42:14.420 an identifiable group

00:42:15.440 in this case Jews

00:42:16.440 we have section 320

00:42:18.080 willfully promoting

00:42:19.520 genocide

00:42:20.140 against an identifiable group

00:42:22.240 we have laws in place

00:42:24.520 to deal with the problem

00:42:26.140 we've got

00:42:26.760 what we lack

00:42:28.180 is the will

00:42:29.380 among police

00:42:30.900 and prosecutors

00:42:32.360 and politicians

00:42:33.240 to deal with

00:42:34.720 what is an obvious

00:42:35.800 and growing problem

00:42:36.960 how can we be sure

00:42:38.860 that it is

00:42:39.620 seen as a problem

00:42:42.720 or this is

00:42:44.000 the new direction

00:42:45.020 this is the new Canada

00:42:46.520 we have to

00:42:47.800 we as depressing

00:42:49.240 it is

00:42:49.740 as exhausting

00:42:50.640 as it is

00:42:51.380 we can't give up

00:42:52.420 we have to keep

00:42:53.440 pushing

00:42:54.080 you know

00:42:54.540 for example

00:42:55.140 if I were

00:42:56.460 Pierre Polyev

00:42:57.360 getting back

00:42:58.100 into the House of Commons

00:42:59.220 one of my first questions

00:43:01.040 would be

00:43:01.660 to the Prime Minister

00:43:02.700 Justin Trudeau

00:43:04.660 was the only

00:43:05.640 world leader

00:43:06.640 to never travel

00:43:07.900 to Israel

00:43:08.600 after October 7th

00:43:10.620 to stand in solidarity

00:43:12.000 with the people of Israel

00:43:13.240 not the government of Israel

00:43:14.380 just the Israelis

00:43:15.820 who were slaughtered

00:43:16.780 on that day

00:43:17.420 Trudeau didn't go

00:43:18.680 he was the only one

00:43:19.660 Mark Carney

00:43:20.720 is still not gone

00:43:21.760 he needs to do that

00:43:23.800 that would be the question

00:43:25.060 I would ask of him

00:43:26.240 he has come out

00:43:28.380 condemning

00:43:30.320 Israel

00:43:31.500 I mean

00:43:32.100 the whole question

00:43:34.080 maybe we'll get into it later

00:43:35.940 of Benjamin Netanyahu

00:43:37.960 and his role

00:43:39.560 in all of this

00:43:40.480 and there's a lot

00:43:41.500 of opposition to him

00:43:42.740 and not that I

00:43:45.040 have anything

00:43:45.700 to say

00:43:46.600 about what happens

00:43:47.420 in Israel

00:43:48.000 but

00:43:48.680 like many other people

00:43:50.720 I'm

00:43:51.160 very opposed

00:43:52.360 to what he's doing

00:43:53.820 but

00:43:55.320 the response

00:43:57.740 from the Carney

00:43:58.400 government

00:43:58.860 seems to be

00:44:00.800 beyond

00:44:01.720 and look what happened

00:44:03.340 when they did that

00:44:04.140 when Carney issued

00:44:05.620 that statement

00:44:06.420 in both official languages

00:44:08.460 accusing

00:44:09.360 Israel

00:44:10.580 of violating

00:44:11.460 international law

00:44:12.620 and I presumed

00:44:14.540 when I saw it

00:44:15.440 I wrote a column

00:44:16.180 about it

00:44:16.520 for Post Media

00:44:17.280 about the right to food

00:44:19.040 and it is true

00:44:20.240 people have a right

00:44:21.740 to be fed

00:44:22.360 and not starved to death

00:44:23.400 that is true

00:44:24.360 of all peoples

00:44:25.100 Palestinian, Israelis, Canadians

00:44:26.980 that's what he was referring to

00:44:29.380 but what was the consequence

00:44:30.720 of him doing that

00:44:31.920 along with other countries

00:44:33.220 at that time

00:44:33.880 Hamas pulled out

00:44:35.520 of the ceasefire talks

00:44:36.960 that were being presided

00:44:38.780 over by Qatar

00:44:40.100 and the United States

00:44:41.580 and Israel

00:44:42.140 they pulled out

00:44:43.220 because it emboldened them

00:44:44.780 they said look

00:44:45.660 you know

00:44:46.520 we got all these countries

00:44:47.580 in the world

00:44:48.140 condemning Israel

00:44:49.020 we don't have to take

00:44:50.280 this process seriously

00:44:51.500 and meanwhile

00:44:52.620 the hostages

00:44:53.740 50 of them

00:44:55.180 many of them still alive

00:44:57.220 continue to be

00:44:58.720 in these horrible conditions

00:45:00.420 unreleased

00:45:01.460 you know

00:45:01.760 their families

00:45:02.380 waiting for them

00:45:03.020 to come home

00:45:03.580 so even a country

00:45:05.920 like Canada

00:45:06.660 that diplomatically

00:45:07.760 and militarily

00:45:08.660 is of little consequence

00:45:10.480 these days

00:45:11.400 we can have an impact

00:45:13.440 that would be quite damaging

00:45:14.740 and that was an instance

00:45:16.260 the example you give

00:45:17.800 that's an example

00:45:18.820 of how we damaged

00:45:20.500 the situation

00:45:21.900 in the Middle East

00:45:22.720 okay

00:45:24.020 but on the other hand

00:45:25.360 all of this

00:45:27.420 chorus of condemnation

00:45:29.100 did make way

00:45:31.280 for a bit of an increase

00:45:33.000 in food aid

00:45:34.740 but you know

00:45:35.860 the point I made

00:45:36.780 and I got

00:45:37.220 lots of attacks

00:45:38.700 from anti-Semites

00:45:39.600 for it

00:45:40.000 there were more than

00:45:41.200 a thousand trucks

00:45:42.420 idling in Israel

00:45:43.640 been idling there

00:45:44.520 for days

00:45:45.060 and the aid

00:45:47.920 was paid for

00:45:49.200 and brought there

00:45:49.900 by Israel

00:45:50.500 and the United States

00:45:51.320 not Canada

00:45:53.160 Israel and the United States

00:45:55.160 sitting there

00:45:56.400 rotting in the sun

00:45:57.840 the flour

00:45:58.740 and the rice

00:45:59.520 and the

00:46:00.120 all of the food

00:46:02.100 that was brought there

00:46:03.180 the United Nations

00:46:04.920 on the record

00:46:06.020 right out in the open

00:46:07.000 and I quoted them

00:46:08.340 in a column I did

00:46:09.300 refused to distribute it

00:46:11.500 their excuse was

00:46:13.340 well we don't need more layers

00:46:14.800 of bureaucracy

00:46:15.500 we have

00:46:16.680 it's now

00:46:17.500 everybody accepts

00:46:18.840 including the government

00:46:19.960 of Israel

00:46:20.640 that there are people

00:46:22.420 facing terrible

00:46:23.920 a terrible crisis

00:46:25.120 a hunger crisis

00:46:26.180 famine

00:46:26.960 and malnutrition

00:46:27.980 in parts of Gaza

00:46:29.960 not all of Gaza

00:46:31.040 and that food

00:46:33.100 needs to be delivered

00:46:34.240 why is Canada

00:46:36.140 not saying

00:46:36.880 to the United Nations

00:46:37.900 to UNRWA

00:46:38.720 we pay for you

00:46:40.800 we pay your salaries

00:46:41.980 distribute that

00:46:43.280 food

00:46:43.740 but they're not doing it

00:46:45.440 okay let's leave aside

00:46:47.160 the role of the Israeli government

00:46:49.640 in all of this

00:46:51.140 let's get back to Canada

00:46:52.400 so

00:46:52.840 I want to talk about

00:46:54.900 the union movement

00:46:56.660 the union

00:46:57.520 CUPE

00:46:58.280 represents

00:47:00.020 government workers

00:47:01.580 and

00:47:02.380 the president of CUPE Ontario

00:47:04.520 Fred Hahn

00:47:05.420 celebrating

00:47:06.700 October the 7th

00:47:08.320 not

00:47:09.300 really

00:47:10.040 walking back

00:47:11.100 from anything

00:47:11.980 and he

00:47:12.940 is confirmed

00:47:14.040 in his position

00:47:15.120 how does that happen

00:47:16.900 I've talked to members

00:47:18.200 of CUPE

00:47:18.740 who I promised

00:47:19.760 anonymity

00:47:20.540 and I should say

00:47:21.660 full disclosure

00:47:22.240 I present

00:47:22.900 a public service union

00:47:24.700 Leuna

00:47:25.220 and Leuna

00:47:26.060 has been at the forefront

00:47:27.380 the Mancinelli family

00:47:29.820 fighting anti-Semitism

00:47:31.260 they've been doing that

00:47:32.060 for years

00:47:32.580 so it's not all unions

00:47:34.160 but it's certainly CUPE

00:47:35.400 and

00:47:36.680 you know

00:47:38.360 I said to the members

00:47:39.300 who have spoken to me

00:47:40.280 who are very upset

00:47:41.040 about what is going on

00:47:42.300 like how is this happening

00:47:43.940 and they said

00:47:45.000 you know

00:47:45.220 1% or 2%

00:47:47.040 of the membership

00:47:47.700 show up for their

00:47:48.620 policy conventions

00:47:49.640 and then they come up

00:47:50.980 with these insane policies

00:47:52.260 including

00:47:53.020 even worse

00:47:54.540 than Fred Hahn

00:47:55.800 kind of shrugging

00:47:57.660 about the atrocities

00:47:59.060 of October 7th

00:48:00.680 after the Americans

00:48:02.940 brought their overdue

00:48:06.120 and necessary military action

00:48:07.840 against Iran

00:48:08.900 to prevent their development

00:48:10.620 of nuclear weapons

00:48:11.900 Hahn and CUPE

00:48:14.980 participated in a protest

00:48:16.740 in support of Iran

00:48:18.580 at the American consulate

00:48:20.220 here in Toronto

00:48:20.980 and like it was extraordinary

00:48:24.280 hands off Iran

00:48:26.100 it was a poster

00:48:27.120 they generated

00:48:27.920 with CUPE's logo

00:48:29.200 down at the bottom

00:48:30.200 at that point

00:48:31.700 CUPE's beyond redemption

00:48:33.520 and my view is

00:48:35.160 the provincial government

00:48:37.120 should decertify them

00:48:38.680 and start over

00:48:40.000 I mean exactly

00:48:41.020 because you wonder

00:48:42.600 they represent government workers

00:48:45.560 and it's not just them

00:48:46.820 Cup W

00:48:47.500 the postal union

00:48:49.300 is just as anti-Semitic

00:48:51.080 and has a history of it

00:48:52.340 and in Iran

00:48:53.360 like one of the first things

00:48:55.100 the Ayatollahs did

00:48:56.340 when they took over in 1979

00:48:57.860 is eliminate a dissidence

00:49:00.140 and killed off the union leaders

00:49:02.240 so this is Fred Hahn

00:49:03.960 supporting a regime

00:49:05.340 that killed his fellow brothers

00:49:07.520 and sisters

00:49:08.160 in the union movement

00:49:09.300 like it

00:49:10.160 there's some places

00:49:11.460 in this country

00:49:12.740 in this world

00:49:13.480 where people have lost their minds

00:49:15.600 they've gone

00:49:16.620 they've lost their minds

00:49:17.760 and I think that's an instance

00:49:19.660 of it where CUPE

00:49:20.760 has lost its way

00:49:22.700 and they need to start over

00:49:24.280 but we're seeing the same thing

00:49:25.920 in academia

00:49:26.560 we're seeing the same thing

00:49:28.340 in certain government institutions

00:49:30.220 and governmental agencies

00:49:31.920 like it's happening

00:49:33.240 in different places

00:49:34.440 because this campaign

00:49:36.360 against Israel in the West

00:49:37.560 has been very successful

00:49:38.740 in getting these people

00:49:41.060 to agitate against Israel

00:49:42.820 okay let's talk about academia

00:49:45.320 and the education system

00:49:47.560 so there was a report

00:49:49.840 a federal report

00:49:51.080 on anti-semitic incidents

00:49:54.300 in our public schools

00:49:56.380 and it found that

00:49:57.960 almost half of them

00:49:59.200 were never even investigated

00:50:00.620 perpetrators were not punished

00:50:02.960 because they come from

00:50:04.920 disadvantaged groups

00:50:06.600 and have intergenerational trauma

00:50:10.280 so you can assault

00:50:11.960 a Jewish student

00:50:12.860 and there's no problem

00:50:14.020 a lot of this came from teachers

00:50:16.080 and we have heard

00:50:18.960 from Ontario's education minister

00:50:21.480 but not a peeps from the premier

00:50:23.180 not a peeps from the prime minister

00:50:25.640 and certainly nothing from Olivia Chow

00:50:29.400 the children being spat on

00:50:32.200 Jewish kids being spat on

00:50:34.080 being beaten up

00:50:36.100 being threatened

00:50:37.400 being told Hitler

00:50:39.260 should have finished the job

00:50:40.700 Hitler was right

00:50:42.780 being forced to stand there

00:50:45.680 while their schoolmates

00:50:47.240 make Nazi salutes

00:50:48.540 these are some of the things

00:50:49.700 that have been happening

00:50:50.500 that report

00:50:51.740 was commissioned by

00:50:54.180 the special envoy

00:50:55.900 who now has retired

00:50:59.280 for the federal government

00:51:01.300 been pushed out

00:51:01.660 she was

00:51:02.960 she confessed that

00:51:04.860 she was just exhausted

00:51:06.280 by getting no support

00:51:08.260 and so

00:51:09.560 she came in

00:51:10.740 and reviewed

00:51:11.500 this provincial

00:51:12.600 problem

00:51:14.640 and the biggest problem

00:51:15.860 was in TDSB

00:51:16.920 followed by the Ottawa

00:51:18.040 public school system

00:51:20.560 the Catholic school boards

00:51:22.980 it was interesting

00:51:23.680 were way down the list

00:51:24.800 they had a problem

00:51:25.600 but nowhere as bad

00:51:27.100 as the Toronto District

00:51:28.260 School Board

00:51:29.020 so giving credit

00:51:31.780 as I try to do

00:51:33.300 where credit is due

00:51:34.820 I spoke to

00:51:36.180 Paul Calandra

00:51:37.100 as the minister responsible

00:51:38.580 I said

00:51:39.720 this is completely unacceptable

00:51:41.500 he agreed

00:51:42.360 and he said

00:51:43.760 at that point

00:51:44.640 the TDSB was under receivership

00:51:46.460 for all kinds of

00:51:47.280 financial wrongdoing

00:51:49.300 and hanky-panky

00:51:50.400 he said

00:51:51.160 we're going to deal with this

00:51:52.100 so he's issued a statement

00:51:53.140 that's pretty clear

00:51:54.120 saying that the provincial government

00:51:55.880 is going to go after this

00:51:57.400 they've said that kind of thing before

00:51:59.320 I hope they mean it this time

00:52:00.760 moving right along

00:52:02.740 to academe

00:52:03.840 to universities

00:52:04.840 I mean

00:52:05.520 the

00:52:06.220 mindset in universities

00:52:08.800 that's been a long time

00:52:10.120 coming this

00:52:10.920 I don't know

00:52:12.180 I'm not sure

00:52:13.300 I like the words

00:52:14.080 woke ideology

00:52:15.080 but the woke ideology

00:52:16.580 the lack of a diversity

00:52:19.340 of opinion

00:52:20.440 the way that

00:52:22.720 DEI

00:52:24.160 is implemented

00:52:25.900 leads to anti-Semitism

00:52:28.860 and what we saw

00:52:29.900 happening on campuses

00:52:31.120 during

00:52:32.960 the

00:52:34.060 last summer

00:52:35.600 I mean

00:52:36.020 it was incredible

00:52:37.160 where

00:52:37.640 you could not

00:52:39.400 enter

00:52:40.180 the university campus

00:52:41.800 unless you

00:52:43.180 pledged your support

00:52:44.920 to

00:52:45.400 the students

00:52:46.800 the anti-Israel students

00:52:48.140 who were in camp there

00:52:49.160 and they've been sucked in

00:52:50.580 like at the University

00:52:51.480 of Toronto encampment

00:52:52.620 I walked around it

00:52:54.500 with a camera crew

00:52:55.580 for our documentary

00:52:56.580 and what was interesting

00:52:57.920 is these kids

00:52:59.080 followed

00:53:00.040 they were wearing

00:53:01.100 their keffiye masks

00:53:02.400 they didn't say anything

00:53:03.900 they listened to me

00:53:04.940 so I took advantage of it

00:53:06.500 and I said

00:53:06.880 you see

00:53:07.260 you see this red triangle

00:53:09.140 the red triangle

00:53:11.000 means

00:53:11.640 I am going

00:53:12.800 to kill you

00:53:13.840 it was devised

00:53:15.800 by Hamas

00:53:16.560 Hamas for its videos

00:53:17.920 they would superimpose it

00:53:19.820 on the image

00:53:20.420 of an IDF soldier

00:53:21.960 they'd superimpose it

00:53:23.600 on the image

00:53:24.180 of an Israeli

00:53:24.920 it means

00:53:26.040 I'm going to kill you

00:53:27.120 or the red hand

00:53:29.000 the red hand

00:53:30.240 is a symbol

00:53:31.420 referring to

00:53:32.040 the second intifada

00:53:33.100 where two young reservists

00:53:34.920 made the wrong turn

00:53:35.920 went into the west bank

00:53:38.200 and were stabbed

00:53:39.440 and hanged

00:53:40.460 and disemboweled

00:53:41.600 and tortured

00:53:42.420 and the blood

00:53:43.920 was so

00:53:45.180 it was so awful

00:53:46.540 one of their killers

00:53:48.220 leaned out the window

00:53:49.440 it was a famous photo

00:53:51.380 with his red hands

00:53:52.960 and

00:53:54.580 so I was

00:53:56.060 you know

00:53:56.360 watching these kids

00:53:57.360 listened to me

00:53:58.300 and I could tell

00:54:00.040 many of them

00:54:01.720 did not know

00:54:02.760 of course not

00:54:04.340 they just bought into this

00:54:06.240 this lie

00:54:07.280 and

00:54:08.640 you know

00:54:09.360 I've seen it before

00:54:10.240 with those skinheads

00:54:11.140 that I talked about

00:54:11.980 at the start

00:54:12.800 it always starts slowly

00:54:14.460 and they become radical

00:54:16.500 lies

00:54:16.840 that's what that word means

00:54:18.160 it's to take somebody

00:54:19.180 and to move them

00:54:20.380 to a radical position

00:54:21.780 and what's

00:54:23.400 it's happening now

00:54:24.580 in the streets

00:54:25.240 it's happening now

00:54:26.260 in the media

00:54:26.740 but principally

00:54:27.620 it's happening with this

00:54:29.360 this is the way in which

00:54:31.360 you know

00:54:31.760 Gen Z

00:54:32.360 and millennials

00:54:33.020 receive information

00:54:34.860 about the world

00:54:35.680 and history

00:54:36.500 and they're being taught lies

00:54:38.900 and it's been a very

00:54:40.360 effective campaign

00:54:41.480 to the point where now

00:54:43.740 they believe

00:54:44.660 these kids believe

00:54:45.880 if you talk to them

00:54:46.760 and I have

00:54:47.360 they don't believe

00:54:49.060 that they're being

00:54:49.640 anti-semitic

00:54:50.500 they believe

00:54:51.380 that they are opposing

00:54:52.480 a racist

00:54:54.420 apartheid state

00:54:55.860 like South Africa

00:54:56.800 they believe

00:54:57.500 they're opposing racism

00:54:58.620 and I'd say to them

00:54:59.960 have you been to Israel

00:55:01.780 do you know

00:55:03.520 how racially diverse

00:55:05.300 Israel is

00:55:06.160 it's like the United Nations

00:55:08.060 there's vibrant

00:55:09.680 gay communities

00:55:10.680 and there's blacks

00:55:12.040 serving in the IDF

00:55:14.000 and there are young women

00:55:16.360 who are in positions

00:55:17.400 of authority

00:55:18.160 much more significant

00:55:19.680 than Canadian society

00:55:20.800 did you know that

00:55:21.640 oh it's not true

00:55:22.580 they've been taught a lie

00:55:25.000 and they've been

00:55:25.640 they've bought into a lie

00:55:27.540 and that's why I say

00:55:29.200 we can't give up

00:55:30.100 we have to tell the truth

00:55:31.160 about Israel

00:55:31.680 but also about democracy

00:55:32.980 because the other thing

00:55:34.220 that's happening

00:55:34.840 is they are not just

00:55:36.920 agitating against Israel

00:55:38.200 they're agitating

00:55:39.580 against our way of life

00:55:41.040 and then

00:55:42.720 and our system

00:55:44.020 of democracy

00:55:44.860 and they're attacking

00:55:46.540 not just the symbols

00:55:47.720 of Judaism

00:55:48.520 and the Jewish people

00:55:49.960 but also our system

00:55:52.720 of government

00:55:53.320 our way of life

00:55:54.780 one of the things

00:55:55.800 I wanted to get to

00:55:57.020 the gay community

00:55:58.320 I mean

00:55:58.800 one of the things

00:55:59.860 that is completely

00:56:00.900 incomprehensible

00:56:02.460 Israel

00:56:03.520 has a very gay

00:56:05.600 positive culture

00:56:07.360 very large gay community

00:56:10.340 and Hamas

00:56:12.460 throws people off the roof

00:56:14.020 if they're openly gay

00:56:15.640 so the gay community

00:56:18.340 being so anti-Israel

00:56:20.180 seems nutty to me

00:56:22.260 and it

00:56:22.920 but it's testament

00:56:24.280 to how effective

00:56:25.280 their propaganda campaign

00:56:26.760 has been

00:56:27.300 isn't it

00:56:28.300 where they're able

00:56:29.620 to get people

00:56:30.720 in politics

00:56:31.460 and campaigns

00:56:32.200 we have a name for it

00:56:33.340 it's getting somebody

00:56:35.240 to vote against

00:56:36.000 their own self-interest

00:56:37.100 that does happen

00:56:38.600 in campaigns

00:56:39.380 but it requires

00:56:40.920 the message

00:56:41.640 to be very persuasive

00:56:43.260 and diabolical

00:56:44.420 to get people

00:56:45.560 to vote against

00:56:46.580 their own interest

00:56:47.640 and that's what's

00:56:48.980 happened here

00:56:49.880 it's like

00:56:50.960 kids

00:56:51.720 like I've been there

00:56:53.080 I've been in Gaza

00:56:54.520 I've been in the West Bank

00:56:55.960 now

00:56:56.460 if you were to show up

00:56:58.900 you wouldn't last the night

00:57:01.300 they don't tolerate that

00:57:03.320 read the Hamas charter

00:57:04.660 the real Hamas charter

00:57:05.880 the 1988 Hamas charter

00:57:08.180 it talks about

00:57:09.800 you're an infidel

00:57:11.460 you were unclean

00:57:13.380 you are filth

00:57:14.340 and they will destroy you

00:57:16.200 because they believe

00:57:17.360 they're acting

00:57:17.960 the word of Allah

00:57:18.960 so inform yourselves

00:57:22.720 but unfortunately

00:57:23.580 they're not doing that

00:57:24.640 they're too often

00:57:25.780 depending upon this

00:57:27.240 and they've been

00:57:28.500 manipulated

00:57:29.080 whether the platform

00:57:30.080 is Instagram

00:57:31.020 TikTok is the worst

00:57:32.780 but Twitter

00:57:34.240 all of them

00:57:35.260 going back to Al-Qaeda

00:57:36.680 Al-Qaeda

00:57:37.240 recognized the value

00:57:38.980 of YouTube

00:57:39.900 before governments did

00:57:41.860 they had more effective

00:57:43.660 material there

00:57:44.680 than anybody else did

00:57:46.300 then ISIS

00:57:47.320 decided that they would

00:57:49.380 make use of it

00:57:50.040 ISIS

00:57:50.320 practically was an

00:57:52.020 internet platform

00:57:53.500 more than they were

00:57:54.520 a terror group

00:57:55.280 and then Hamas

00:57:56.520 has learned from both

00:57:57.460 of those experiences

00:57:58.460 and they very effectively

00:58:00.600 push out one message

00:58:02.100 like in Israel

00:58:03.480 you know

00:58:04.040 people say to me

00:58:05.420 my Jewish friends

00:58:06.240 in particular

00:58:06.740 why can't we get

00:58:08.180 our act together

00:58:08.780 and I said well

00:58:09.440 you know

00:58:10.720 Israel's a democracy

00:58:11.980 like people

00:58:14.140 you know

00:58:14.860 the joke

00:58:15.300 what is the joke here

00:58:16.140 the joke

00:58:16.460 five Jews

00:58:17.480 and six opinions

00:58:18.540 exactly

00:58:19.060 but that's beautiful

00:58:20.640 that's democracy

00:58:22.580 that's how it's

00:58:23.300 supposed to work

00:58:24.220 and

00:58:25.180 but you know

00:58:26.080 I was in

00:58:26.540 Hostages Square

00:58:27.400 and I marched

00:58:28.060 with them afterwards

00:58:28.920 to talk with them

00:58:30.060 it's right across

00:58:31.000 from the IDF headquarters

00:58:32.220 they are there

00:58:33.840 every single weekend

00:58:35.420 to demand the release

00:58:37.280 of the hostages

00:58:37.960 and many of them

00:58:38.900 to oppose

00:58:39.480 the Netanyahu government

00:58:40.640 and they say to me

00:58:41.980 Warren

00:58:42.300 why does

00:58:42.760 why does

00:58:43.560 why does the world

00:58:44.500 abandon us

00:58:45.560 where did everybody go

00:58:47.700 why do they all think

00:58:49.520 that we love Netanyahu

00:58:50.800 and we love the war

00:58:52.100 and why do they think

00:58:53.800 that

00:58:54.120 despite week after week

00:58:55.500 of seeing

00:58:56.080 hundreds of thousands

00:58:57.260 of Israelis

00:58:58.260 in the streets

00:59:00.020 every week

00:59:01.140 protesting that government

00:59:02.820 I mean

00:59:03.160 it's just beyond

00:59:04.380 the pale

00:59:06.000 there's one thing

00:59:07.680 I just want to show you

00:59:09.000 before we

00:59:09.780 so this is

00:59:12.400 a conference

00:59:14.420 coming soon

00:59:15.420 at OISE

00:59:15.960 which is the

00:59:16.960 University of Toronto's

00:59:18.560 education

00:59:20.040 here

00:59:20.780 the decolonizing conference

00:59:22.660 which is going to

00:59:23.960 have a PD day

00:59:25.900 on counterinsurgency

00:59:28.360 yeah

00:59:28.940 like what is that

00:59:30.600 and they've got

00:59:31.480 I'm not even sure

00:59:32.500 what liberatory is

00:59:33.820 I'm not sure

00:59:34.260 that's a word

00:59:34.980 but that's never

00:59:36.100 stopped them

00:59:36.840 but this

00:59:37.660 this is an example

00:59:39.060 of what I was

00:59:39.640 talking about earlier

00:59:40.860 where how have they

00:59:43.080 infected the minds

00:59:44.120 of so many young people

00:59:45.240 you know

00:59:45.860 old guys like me

00:59:46.880 it's not been

00:59:48.180 an effective campaign

00:59:49.260 the majority of people

00:59:50.960 who are older

00:59:52.060 boomers and so on

00:59:53.580 still support Israel

00:59:54.700 support Israel's right

00:59:56.060 to defend itself

00:59:56.880 in safe and secure borders

00:59:58.180 with young people

00:59:59.860 this works

01:00:00.620 because what they're doing

01:00:02.220 you know there's

01:00:03.040 you know

01:00:04.400 they'll never be so direct

01:00:06.280 like David Duke

01:00:07.400 they learned from David Duke

01:00:08.560 the Grand Wizards

01:00:09.440 of the Knights of Ku Klux Klan

01:00:10.660 they don't come out

01:00:12.040 and say

01:00:12.560 kill the Jews

01:00:13.440 or destroy the Jews

01:00:14.880 they talk about Zionists

01:00:16.500 right

01:00:17.620 they don't talk about

01:00:18.820 a global anti-Semitic

01:00:20.800 revolution

01:00:22.120 they talk about

01:00:22.820 an intifada

01:00:23.540 they don't say

01:00:25.300 we're going to wipe

01:00:26.020 Israel from the map

01:00:27.080 they say

01:00:27.700 oh Iran says that

01:00:28.880 from the river to the sea

01:00:30.420 Palestine will be free

01:00:32.100 they use euphemisms

01:00:33.460 and coded language

01:00:34.560 and dog whistles

01:00:35.700 like that

01:00:36.740 to pull in

01:00:38.180 naive young people

01:00:39.500 and it works

01:00:41.280 Iran does say

01:00:42.780 we're going to

01:00:43.420 wipe Israel off the map

01:00:44.640 and Iran is very pleased

01:00:46.360 the Grand Leader

01:00:47.900 you know

01:00:48.580 in one of his

01:00:49.140 coherent moments

01:00:50.240 said last summer

01:00:51.660 I just want to pay tribute

01:00:53.980 to the young people

01:00:55.700 in the West

01:00:56.280 with all of their

01:00:57.400 encampments

01:00:58.440 at universities

01:00:59.280 they are doing

01:01:00.720 wonderful work

01:01:01.820 and then

01:01:03.060 Avril Haynes

01:01:04.580 who was then

01:01:05.120 the Director

01:01:05.660 of National Intelligence

01:01:07.040 for the United States

01:01:08.260 so the most informed

01:01:10.160 intelligence officer

01:01:11.880 on the planet

01:01:13.000 came out and said

01:01:14.700 she kind of scooped me

01:01:16.400 but I was glad

01:01:18.160 she finally confirmed

01:01:19.640 what I'd been suspecting

01:01:21.380 she said Iran

01:01:22.500 is paying for protesters

01:01:23.800 Iran is paying

01:01:25.120 for organizers

01:01:26.000 Iran is behind

01:01:27.740 a lot of the stuff

01:01:28.860 that we're seeing

01:01:29.940 like this

01:01:30.860 and people need

01:01:32.480 to wake up

01:01:33.180 in a democracy

01:01:34.440 protests are good

01:01:36.880 and disagreeing

01:01:38.400 is good

01:01:38.940 and debate is good

01:01:40.360 this is not good

01:01:41.860 and she came out

01:01:42.820 and said

01:01:43.240 and unfortunately

01:01:43.800 not many people

01:01:44.580 paid attention to it

01:01:45.640 she said

01:01:46.480 our democracies

01:01:47.780 are at risk

01:01:48.740 we are being targeted

01:01:50.500 by an evil axis

01:01:52.480 they had

01:01:52.940 my friend David Frum

01:01:54.280 called them that

01:01:55.240 and he was right

01:01:56.540 more than I think

01:01:57.460 than he realizes

01:01:58.320 it is an axis of evil

01:02:00.420 Iran and Qatar

01:02:02.520 and Russia

01:02:03.480 and China

01:02:04.440 and aided and abetted

01:02:05.880 by Hamas

01:02:06.680 and Hezbollah

01:02:07.380 and the Houthis

01:02:08.160 and all of these

01:02:09.340 useful idiots

01:02:10.260 as they're called

01:02:11.340 here in the West

01:02:12.640 it is

01:02:13.680 they're coming for us

01:02:15.540 and we need to wake up

01:02:16.920 before it's too late

01:02:17.860 you talk about

01:02:20.140 young people

01:02:21.460 and how many young people

01:02:23.740 believe this stuff

01:02:25.340 I mean

01:02:25.760 sometimes

01:02:27.360 I wonder

01:02:28.540 is there a future

01:02:30.560 for Jews here

01:02:31.400 is it time to leave

01:02:32.680 you know

01:02:32.960 my parents were

01:02:33.720 Holocaust survivors

01:02:34.700 and when I was

01:02:37.600 growing up

01:02:38.380 one of the questions

01:02:40.060 among my peers

01:02:41.280 who were Jewish kids

01:02:42.980 you know

01:02:44.500 children of Holocaust

01:02:46.200 survivors

01:02:46.920 about what happened

01:02:48.160 in Europe

01:02:48.760 was how could

01:02:50.440 they not know

01:02:51.220 how could they not know

01:02:52.800 that it was time to leave

01:02:54.480 and they had to get out

01:02:55.660 to save themselves

01:02:56.700 and now I kind of think

01:02:58.900 well I think I understand

01:03:00.660 how they didn't know

01:03:02.320 because a lot of us

01:03:04.180 look around here

01:03:05.080 and they say

01:03:05.680 well I still have

01:03:07.100 a pretty nice life here

01:03:08.360 I struggle with this one

01:03:12.980 and I'm sure you do too

01:03:15.160 because I've got friends

01:03:16.940 like when I was in Israel

01:03:18.460 so we were shooting

01:03:19.560 our documentary

01:03:20.340 we're still fundraising

01:03:22.000 to finish it

01:03:22.920 and I'm on the streets

01:03:25.120 in Tel Aviv

01:03:25.820 and a woman comes up

01:03:26.780 to Warren Kinsella

01:03:27.640 and it's like

01:03:29.120 somebody here knows who I am

01:03:30.600 she was Canadian

01:03:31.340 she was in Toronto

01:03:32.160 she went to Humber

01:03:33.500 she encountered

01:03:34.840 anti-Semitism there

01:03:36.260 couldn't take it anymore

01:03:37.660 and made Alia

01:03:38.520 went to Israel

01:03:40.800 another young woman

01:03:42.420 from Vermont

01:03:43.380 same thing

01:03:44.420 so you know

01:03:46.580 I understand

01:03:48.080 emotionally doing that

01:03:49.760 I understand

01:03:51.160 the need

01:03:52.340 some people feel

01:03:53.340 to do that

01:03:54.300 but it's vacating

01:03:56.440 the battlefield

01:03:57.080 to the bad guys

01:03:58.200 it's what they want

01:03:59.860 one of the things

01:04:01.340 they say

01:04:01.760 at all their protests

01:04:02.740 along with

01:04:03.240 free Palestine

01:04:04.040 and from the river

01:04:05.640 to the sea

01:04:06.360 and Intifada

01:04:07.200 is go back to Poland

01:04:08.740 go back to Europe

01:04:11.260 they want

01:04:12.540 to get rid of us

01:04:13.940 you know

01:04:14.460 Zionists

01:04:15.420 people like me

01:04:16.340 people like you

01:04:17.240 they want to get rid of us

01:04:18.540 and we can't

01:04:19.900 we have to

01:04:20.720 as your name says

01:04:22.960 we have to fight back

01:04:24.240 and it's depressing

01:04:25.680 and hard

01:04:26.260 and frustrating

01:04:27.000 but we have to fight back

01:04:28.260 the final thing

01:04:30.480 is the impact

01:04:31.300 on the rest of society

01:04:33.060 I mean

01:04:33.580 there seems to be

01:04:35.800 a general lawlessness

01:04:37.580 here

01:04:38.480 we have people

01:04:39.880 repeat offenders

01:04:41.080 being released

01:04:42.720 on bail

01:04:43.340 multiple times

01:04:44.760 gun offenses

01:04:46.840 going out

01:04:47.900 and committing

01:04:48.780 very serious offenses

01:04:50.600 again

01:04:51.040 and just getting

01:04:51.820 released on bail

01:04:52.880 again

01:04:53.320 we have organized crime

01:04:55.860 using young people

01:04:57.100 who have basically

01:04:58.340 no consequences

01:04:59.360 so

01:04:59.760 what's your view

01:05:01.140 of the relationship

01:05:02.080 of those two things

01:05:03.140 it is a problem

01:05:03.840 we learned about

01:05:04.820 a young man

01:05:06.240 who was convicted

01:05:07.020 of saying

01:05:07.580 he wanted to go out

01:05:08.300 and kill as many Jews

01:05:09.260 as possible

01:05:09.880 yeah

01:05:10.220 and he was given

01:05:11.700 60 days

01:05:12.980 home arrest

01:05:14.400 as his sentence

01:05:16.860 that is not acceptable

01:05:18.180 that is not right

01:05:19.680 that's not proper

01:05:20.900 so we as citizens

01:05:23.240 as voters

01:05:24.000 like the one thing

01:05:25.000 I've learned about campaigns

01:05:26.240 one thing I know

01:05:27.000 about politics

01:05:27.740 as Brian Mulroney

01:05:29.080 used to say

01:05:29.780 nothing focuses the mind

01:05:31.780 better than a good

01:05:32.540 hanging in the morning

01:05:33.500 like politicians

01:05:35.040 like we've just gone

01:05:35.960 through an election year

01:05:36.820 provincially and federally

01:05:38.000 in this province

01:05:38.840 other provinces

01:05:40.100 are getting ready

01:05:40.840 to have elections

01:05:41.680 go to those

01:05:43.300 all candidates meetings

01:05:44.560 fill out those

01:05:45.580 questionnaires

01:05:46.400 demand

01:05:47.320 what is your answer

01:05:48.460 I am a Jew

01:05:49.380 what are you going to do

01:05:51.560 to protect my people

01:05:52.680 my synagogue was firebombed

01:05:54.340 my kids school

01:05:55.460 was shut up

01:05:56.180 what are you going to do

01:05:57.700 we're not going

01:05:58.780 to let it go

01:05:59.500 we're not going

01:06:00.700 to let it go

01:06:01.340 we're going to keep

01:06:02.080 hounding you

01:06:02.900 and that's something

01:06:04.140 that politicians

01:06:04.860 pay attention to

01:06:06.020 and you know

01:06:08.120 I fear with people

01:06:09.040 like Olivia Chow

01:06:10.040 and so on

01:06:10.740 we kind of let them

01:06:12.420 get away with it

01:06:13.280 we can't let them

01:06:14.340 get away with it

01:06:15.160 we have to organize

01:06:16.080 we have to fight back

01:06:17.200 what do you think

01:06:18.520 the relationship

01:06:19.320 of these attacks

01:06:21.100 on Jews are

01:06:22.020 to this general

01:06:23.400 lawlessness

01:06:24.440 it's a complex problem

01:06:26.540 it's a complex answer

01:06:28.000 it involves judges

01:06:29.600 it involves prosecutors

01:06:31.040 it involves police

01:06:32.200 it involves the fact

01:06:33.640 that you know

01:06:34.520 our judicial system

01:06:35.680 is not properly funded

01:06:37.080 you know

01:06:38.660 I'm sympathetic

01:06:39.120 I'm sympathetic

01:06:40.020 with judges sometimes

01:06:41.200 because I know

01:06:42.340 what happens

01:06:43.020 you know

01:06:43.260 I've been a cop reporter

01:06:44.260 I've appeared in court

01:06:45.980 and you'll have somebody

01:06:47.700 that everybody

01:06:48.400 the crown and the defense

01:06:49.540 agrees needs

01:06:50.420 a psychiatric hold

01:06:52.140 and they'll

01:06:53.340 the judge will pick up

01:06:54.600 the phone back

01:06:55.340 in his or her office

01:06:56.420 and phone Cam H

01:06:58.220 and they'll say

01:06:58.820 we've got nowhere

01:06:59.280 to put them

01:06:59.820 we can't take them

01:07:02.040 and so they're let go

01:07:04.200 so you know

01:07:05.740 we as citizens

01:07:06.740 have a role to play too

01:07:08.180 to say we need

01:07:09.100 to you guys

01:07:10.160 to reorder your resources

01:07:11.580 maybe spend a little

01:07:12.960 less money on

01:07:14.360 you know batteries

01:07:15.600 for electric vehicles

01:07:17.120 that nobody's driving

01:07:18.160 anymore

01:07:18.760 and spend it on

01:07:20.340 a properly funded

01:07:21.580 judicial system

01:07:22.620 it is a complex

01:07:25.140 and frustrating problem

01:07:26.580 but that's one that

01:07:28.220 you know needs to be

01:07:29.460 addressed

01:07:29.880 and needs to be addressed

01:07:30.880 soon

01:07:31.160 what do you do next

01:07:32.760 I mean

01:07:33.300 to try to win this battle

01:07:35.040 because right now

01:07:36.080 we're not winning

01:07:37.400 what I want to show

01:07:39.160 as I sit here

01:07:40.880 with my star David

01:07:42.400 one of my friends

01:07:43.680 gave it to me

01:07:44.460 is tell the truth

01:07:47.020 you know

01:07:48.020 the group I lead

01:07:48.820 is called Facts Matter

01:07:49.840 to tell the truth

01:07:51.180 about Israel

01:07:51.840 tell the truth

01:07:52.540 about what is going on

01:07:53.740 there's nothing

01:07:54.880 that can defeat

01:07:55.780 these bad people

01:07:57.060 because they are bad

01:07:58.180 more effectively

01:07:59.860 than telling the truth

01:08:01.000 about Israel

01:08:01.780 and about democracy

01:08:03.340 and what is really

01:08:04.220 going on

01:08:04.900 so whether it's

01:08:06.080 the famine now

01:08:07.100 or the casualty count

01:08:08.900 or whatever it is

01:08:10.020 present people

01:08:11.700 with facts

01:08:12.280 so they can make

01:08:12.860 their minds up

01:08:13.520 there is a minority

01:08:14.660 we're never going to reach

01:08:15.880 they are hateful

01:08:16.960 marginal people

01:08:18.220 they are the fringe

01:08:19.560 but the majority

01:08:20.840 are looking for information

01:08:22.160 and you know

01:08:22.720 I'll say this candidly

01:08:23.940 Israel

01:08:25.020 and I love Israel

01:08:26.280 and I love Israelis

01:08:27.240 Israel is really bad

01:08:29.840 at telling its own story

01:08:31.080 so Israel needs

01:08:34.180 to step up its game

01:08:35.380 and then its allies

01:08:37.500 and Canada used to be one

01:08:39.200 need to say

01:08:40.560 we ally ourselves

01:08:42.420 with the Jewish state

01:08:44.980 these are our friends

01:08:46.960 these are people

01:08:47.640 we believe in

01:08:48.640 we are with them

01:08:50.020 and we need governments

01:08:50.920 to do that

01:08:51.700 and we need to do them

01:08:53.860 before it's too late

01:08:54.880 okay

01:08:55.760 Warren Kinsella

01:08:57.380 thanks so much

01:08:58.300 thank you

01:09:05.380 in a far off place

01:09:15.320 in a far off town

01:09:18.720 I had a vision

01:09:21.420 of you and I

01:09:25.920 but the last time I saw you

01:09:30.920 must have been the night

01:09:33.720 I fell down the stairs

01:09:38.520 and you laughed

01:09:39.200 till you cried

01:09:40.400 then my sky

01:09:42.780 generated thunder

01:09:45.660 I bathed in love

01:09:50.960 went out with a smile

01:09:52.860 I tell you what

01:09:56.820 let's make a deal

01:09:58.640 if I take the gas

01:10:00.420 then you'll take the wheel

01:10:02.160 and I put on the second side

01:10:05.780 a honking door

01:10:08.840 and the last time I saw you

01:10:13.660 must have been the night

01:10:16.000 I fell asleep

01:10:19.960 at the wheel and died

01:10:23.400 then my sky

01:10:25.740 generated thunder

01:10:28.400 I bathed in love

01:10:33.780 went out with a smile

01:10:35.780 hello jesus

01:10:39.860 hello aldous

01:10:41.640 it's good to see us

01:10:44.160 hello grandma

01:10:46.600 you're looking good

01:10:49.140 I knew you were

01:10:50.760 my sky

01:10:53.760 generated thunder

01:10:56.760 I bathed in love

01:11:01.520 went out in style

01:11:04.600 went out in style

01:11:08.520 went out in style

01:11:11.760 oh no

01:11:27.220 you're listening to the Ben Mulrooney Show

01:11:30.060 you sure are on this Friday

01:11:32.300 and I am Alex Pearson

01:11:33.440 in for Mr. Benedict Mulrooney

01:11:35.700 and this is

01:11:36.980 This Week in Politics

01:11:38.320 where we get a chance

01:11:39.320 to chatter out

01:11:40.160 the big headlines

01:11:41.220 the good, the bad

01:11:41.960 and the ugly

01:11:42.640 and boy oh boy

01:11:43.240 there are a lot this week

01:11:44.200 so let's welcome in

01:11:45.360 Mr. Warren Kinsella

01:11:46.860 special advisor

01:11:47.700 to Jean Chrétien

01:11:49.000 CEO of the Daisy Group

01:11:50.700 and of course

01:11:51.240 Chris Chapin

01:11:52.120 political commentator

01:11:53.040 managing principal

01:11:54.000 over at Upstream Strategy

01:11:55.580 haven't talked to

01:11:56.220 either of you

01:11:57.200 in some time

01:11:57.800 so lovely

01:11:58.840 to be able to talk to you today

01:12:00.260 hi guys

01:12:00.720 hey Alex

01:12:01.800 lovely indeed

01:12:03.320 let us talk about Air Canada

01:12:05.460 I assume neither of you

01:12:06.620 are flying

01:12:07.300 or booked to fly

01:12:08.440 or you know

01:12:09.780 have to deal with

01:12:10.600 any of this

01:12:11.220 having said that

01:12:12.080 you know

01:12:12.720 there's going to be

01:12:13.100 up to 500 flights

01:12:14.320 regardless of if a deal

01:12:15.640 is struck by deadline

01:12:17.120 500 flights

01:12:18.120 are already being cancelled

01:12:19.340 and so this is going to

01:12:20.540 impact about 130,000 people

01:12:22.280 today

01:12:22.680 it's already impacting

01:12:23.880 people tomorrow

01:12:24.680 because there's a ripple effect

01:12:26.160 on this

01:12:26.880 let me play you

01:12:28.520 the union

01:12:29.500 represents

01:12:30.860 because you know

01:12:31.980 they're still arguing

01:12:32.800 that no matter

01:12:33.440 what they've been offered

01:12:34.200 the offer is

01:12:35.040 too low

01:12:35.940 saying 32, 38

01:12:38.900 packages

01:12:39.800 of this and that

01:12:41.060 the first year's

01:12:42.200 compensation

01:12:42.880 salary

01:12:43.860 sorry

01:12:44.320 let's use the right words

01:12:45.760 salary increase

01:12:47.060 is 8%

01:12:48.080 inflation

01:12:49.700 is 9%

01:12:51.100 so we're still

01:12:52.200 under

01:12:52.760 inflation

01:12:53.800 let me

01:12:54.940 let me kick this one off

01:12:55.860 with you Warren

01:12:56.580 because you know

01:12:57.500 bottom line is

01:12:58.400 no matter what

01:12:59.080 the flight attendants

01:13:00.180 earn and get

01:13:01.040 and I suspect

01:13:02.180 you know

01:13:02.540 the pilots

01:13:03.380 at the very last minute

01:13:04.320 last September

01:13:05.080 got a 42% increase

01:13:06.580 I suspect

01:13:07.680 ultimately

01:13:08.540 they'll get close

01:13:09.460 to what they're asking

01:13:10.200 for the 39%

01:13:11.320 but it might not be

01:13:12.640 tonight

01:13:12.940 it may be next week

01:13:14.240 the problem is

01:13:15.480 it's you know

01:13:16.280 the Canadian people

01:13:17.000 the travelers

01:13:17.500 that continually

01:13:18.160 pay the price

01:13:19.220 for this labor strife

01:13:21.300 and so who's the winner

01:13:22.400 here and who's the loser

01:13:23.320 well the loser

01:13:24.760 for sure

01:13:25.240 is the public

01:13:26.020 I've got a friend

01:13:27.060 who is coming

01:13:27.760 from Victoria

01:13:28.500 to Toronto

01:13:29.580 next week

01:13:30.280 and you know

01:13:30.920 I said to her

01:13:31.580 I think he may not

01:13:32.480 be coming to Toronto

01:13:33.400 if this thing

01:13:34.100 keeps going

01:13:34.780 the one

01:13:36.020 you know

01:13:36.320 I've reached

01:13:36.740 a ripe old age

01:13:38.240 by not getting

01:13:38.920 in the middle

01:13:39.460 of the numbers

01:13:40.220 on a collective

01:13:41.000 bargaining discussion

01:13:42.180 however

01:13:43.020 there's one part

01:13:44.420 of the flight

01:13:44.880 attendants argument

01:13:45.720 that I think

01:13:46.880 is I agree with

01:13:48.380 which I didn't

01:13:49.280 even realize

01:13:50.000 this Alex

01:13:50.600 apparently

01:13:51.500 they don't even

01:13:52.140 get paid

01:13:53.060 until the plane

01:13:54.360 lifts off

01:13:55.240 so you know

01:13:56.220 the preparation

01:13:57.020 and helping people

01:13:57.980 with their bags

01:13:58.840 and yada yada

01:14:00.120 so it doesn't

01:14:01.980 kick in

01:14:02.540 until the plane

01:14:03.460 is underway

01:14:03.960 the flight

01:14:04.480 is underway

01:14:04.980 if that's true

01:14:06.300 and I've seen

01:14:07.400 that reported

01:14:08.560 widely

01:14:09.120 that doesn't

01:14:10.140 seem very fair

01:14:10.880 to me

01:14:11.400 you know

01:14:12.740 because their job

01:14:13.400 obviously starts

01:14:14.300 before that

01:14:15.040 but you know

01:14:16.100 will the government

01:14:16.720 get involved

01:14:17.300 this government

01:14:17.920 I doubt it

01:14:18.760 you know

01:14:19.880 we'll get the usual

01:14:20.740 stuff about

01:14:21.440 it's collective

01:14:22.000 bargaining

01:14:22.400 we've got to

01:14:22.980 let it play out

01:14:23.800 and it's up

01:14:25.200 to the parties

01:14:25.840 and so on

01:14:26.700 at the two week

01:14:28.720 period

01:14:29.220 you know

01:14:29.800 when people

01:14:30.460 are getting ready

01:14:31.520 to go back

01:14:32.040 to school

01:14:32.560 and so on

01:14:33.160 they've got to

01:14:33.520 travel across

01:14:34.120 the country

01:14:34.560 that may change

01:14:35.700 but for the time

01:14:36.440 being

01:14:36.720 regrettably

01:14:37.360 I think

01:14:37.780 it looks like

01:14:38.600 we're going to

01:14:38.900 have Air Canada

01:14:40.000 shut down

01:14:40.620 yeah

01:14:41.180 and again

01:14:41.980 it's not the

01:14:42.560 first time

01:14:42.960 Chris

01:14:43.200 not the last

01:14:43.940 time

01:14:44.100 but we are

01:14:44.560 living in a

01:14:45.100 country

01:14:45.480 whether it's

01:14:46.160 private or

01:14:46.740 public sector

01:14:47.440 we've had

01:14:48.040 non-stop

01:14:49.240 and yeah

01:14:49.580 it's the right

01:14:50.160 to strike

01:14:50.740 but we are

01:14:51.800 now a country

01:14:52.400 where you know

01:14:53.140 it's

01:14:53.660 we're not

01:14:53.940 very accountable

01:14:54.560 we're not

01:14:55.100 very reliable

01:14:55.940 and we've got

01:14:57.420 a bad reputation

01:14:58.180 for it

01:14:58.780 but every time

01:14:59.760 you buy a ticket

01:15:00.460 for something

01:15:00.980 let's say

01:15:01.320 Air Canada

01:15:01.680 you're buying

01:15:02.760 a ticket

01:15:03.100 and you never

01:15:03.520 know

01:15:03.820 is this

01:15:04.340 going to

01:15:04.560 happen

01:15:04.960 yeah

01:15:06.660 I mean

01:15:07.200 it's tough

01:15:07.940 I'm one of

01:15:09.080 those 130,000

01:15:10.120 I have a flight

01:15:10.720 booked out

01:15:11.460 to the prairies

01:15:12.160 tomorrow

01:15:12.620 for work

01:15:13.220 that I'm

01:15:14.520 wishing and

01:15:15.560 praying that

01:15:16.020 they reach

01:15:16.380 a deal

01:15:16.680 tonight

01:15:17.080 I'm banking

01:15:18.580 on you know

01:15:19.720 historical precedent

01:15:20.720 that I don't

01:15:21.140 think the

01:15:21.700 airlines have

01:15:22.600 gone on strike

01:15:23.260 for decades

01:15:24.480 that they reach

01:15:26.400 some sort of deal

01:15:27.040 whether that means

01:15:27.600 my flight's intact

01:15:28.320 tomorrow

01:15:28.640 I don't know

01:15:29.140 I think

01:15:29.800 you know

01:15:30.380 the greatest

01:15:30.780 indictment of this

01:15:31.560 is just

01:15:31.960 you know

01:15:32.320 what else is new

01:15:33.060 in this country

01:15:33.660 you've got

01:15:34.140 you know

01:15:34.720 one choice

01:15:35.680 maybe two choices

01:15:36.680 if you want

01:15:37.200 any kind of

01:15:37.680 competition

01:15:38.180 when it comes

01:15:38.740 to our airlines

01:15:39.560 you know

01:15:40.760 Porter

01:15:41.180 unfortunately

01:15:41.700 doesn't even

01:15:42.160 fly where I'm

01:15:42.860 going

01:15:43.100 WestJet

01:15:43.580 has a couple

01:15:44.060 flights

01:15:44.440 but that's

01:15:44.860 just the

01:15:45.160 reality of

01:15:45.640 living in this

01:15:46.120 country

01:15:46.400 we stifle

01:15:47.660 competition

01:15:48.260 and so

01:15:48.680 when things

01:15:49.020 like this

01:15:49.420 happen

01:15:49.820 you know

01:15:50.960 we're all

01:15:51.860 just left

01:15:52.560 waiting

01:15:52.960 and hoping

01:15:53.600 and praying

01:15:53.980 yeah

01:15:54.440 it is so

01:15:55.160 so true

01:15:55.760 whether it's

01:15:56.280 telecom

01:15:56.760 air travel

01:15:57.280 or anything

01:15:57.640 else

01:15:57.900 we get

01:15:58.300 in our

01:15:58.840 own way

01:15:59.280 all the

01:16:00.120 time

01:16:00.340 speaking about

01:16:01.040 getting in

01:16:01.560 their own

01:16:01.900 way

01:16:02.320 Toronto Film

01:16:03.460 Fest

01:16:03.780 got in

01:16:04.260 its own

01:16:04.580 way

01:16:04.860 and tripped

01:16:05.280 over itself

01:16:05.760 and I still

01:16:06.120 think they're

01:16:06.460 tripping over

01:16:06.860 themselves

01:16:07.220 they have

01:16:07.660 now done

01:16:08.020 a reverse

01:16:08.440 course

01:16:08.920 either that

01:16:10.120 or they

01:16:10.340 got signed

01:16:10.820 off from

01:16:11.160 Hamas

01:16:11.560 to use

01:16:12.080 their

01:16:12.380 you know

01:16:13.040 their maniacal

01:16:13.700 footage

01:16:14.140 killing people

01:16:15.340 don't know

01:16:16.000 but they

01:16:16.560 did hire

01:16:17.000 Navigator

01:16:17.660 which then

01:16:19.040 you know

01:16:19.560 a slick

01:16:19.980 letter was

01:16:20.420 sent out

01:16:20.840 I think

01:16:21.060 right before

01:16:21.700 midnight

01:16:22.800 with all

01:16:23.820 the right

01:16:24.200 notes

01:16:24.660 you know

01:16:25.080 CEO

01:16:25.460 Cameron

01:16:25.900 Bailey

01:16:26.220 and

01:16:26.640 Barry

01:16:26.920 Average

01:16:27.280 although

01:16:27.600 Barry

01:16:28.200 has not

01:16:28.580 said

01:16:28.800 anything

01:16:29.080 he's the

01:16:29.440 filmmaker

01:16:29.720 behind

01:16:30.120 The Road

01:16:30.440 Between

01:16:30.760 Us

01:16:31.080 The Ultimate

01:16:31.680 Rescue

01:16:32.120 so the

01:16:32.880 film's now

01:16:33.340 going to

01:16:33.560 play

01:16:33.980 Warren

01:16:34.840 and because

01:16:35.580 of this

01:16:36.040 because

01:16:36.400 you know

01:16:36.960 Tiff

01:16:37.420 couldn't

01:16:38.060 you know

01:16:38.360 be just

01:16:39.040 sensible

01:16:39.420 about it

01:16:39.880 or just

01:16:40.480 simply

01:16:40.820 not to

01:16:41.580 listen to

01:16:41.960 the ones

01:16:42.460 of people

01:16:42.880 who were

01:16:43.360 demanding

01:16:43.780 this

01:16:44.040 this film

01:16:44.960 is going

01:16:45.180 to be

01:16:45.320 bigger

01:16:45.800 going

01:16:46.280 to get

01:16:46.440 more

01:16:46.680 attention

01:16:47.120 and it's

01:16:47.780 going to

01:16:47.920 give

01:16:48.080 massive

01:16:48.600 I think

01:16:48.960 protests

01:16:49.480 because

01:16:50.200 their

01:16:50.640 inability

01:16:51.340 to lead

01:16:52.100 so damage

01:16:52.940 done

01:16:53.300 like can

01:16:53.780 they course

01:16:54.200 correct on

01:16:54.700 this

01:16:54.940 damage

01:16:56.140 done

01:16:56.560 it was

01:16:56.940 disgusting

01:16:57.540 it was

01:16:57.920 despicable

01:16:58.560 and if it

01:16:59.460 wasn't

01:16:59.780 anti-Semitic

01:17:00.620 it sure

01:17:01.020 looked like

01:17:01.560 it

01:17:01.780 and

01:17:02.760 Tiff

01:17:04.000 you know

01:17:04.460 which is

01:17:04.820 one of

01:17:05.120 our

01:17:05.360 country's

01:17:06.200 premier

01:17:06.620 cultural

01:17:07.240 events

01:17:07.800 has muddied

01:17:08.840 its reputation

01:17:09.660 for a long

01:17:10.280 time to

01:17:10.680 come

01:17:10.920 and them

01:17:11.240 hiring

01:17:11.560 Navigator

01:17:12.160 I think

01:17:12.520 is a

01:17:12.880 is proof

01:17:14.800 of that

01:17:15.360 you know

01:17:16.720 why did

01:17:17.240 this happen

01:17:17.900 you know

01:17:18.580 is we

01:17:19.180 we've heard

01:17:19.820 rumors about

01:17:20.540 a rebellion

01:17:21.100 within staff

01:17:22.060 below Cameron

01:17:23.340 Bailey saying

01:17:23.980 they don't want

01:17:24.420 to be part of

01:17:24.980 this and this

01:17:25.640 film just so

01:17:26.220 everybody's clear

01:17:27.160 it's about an

01:17:28.160 elderly man

01:17:29.040 in Israel

01:17:30.080 finding out

01:17:30.960 his family

01:17:31.620 were under

01:17:32.120 attack

01:17:32.600 and heading

01:17:34.260 towards the

01:17:35.020 south to try

01:17:35.640 and rescue

01:17:36.120 them

01:17:36.400 that's it

01:17:37.260 that's what

01:17:37.980 this was about

01:17:38.780 it wasn't

01:17:39.380 promoting Netanyahu

01:17:40.460 it wasn't

01:17:41.340 promoting Israel

01:17:42.320 it was just

01:17:42.900 a man's

01:17:43.580 quest to

01:17:44.580 save his

01:17:45.100 family's

01:17:45.680 lives

01:17:45.980 that's

01:17:46.840 it

01:17:47.220 so apparently

01:17:48.780 staff at

01:17:49.660 TIFF said

01:17:50.160 they don't

01:17:50.480 want anything

01:17:50.940 to do

01:17:51.300 with this

01:17:51.800 I've got a

01:17:53.000 report in

01:17:53.980 post media

01:17:54.620 this morning

01:17:55.300 I traced

01:17:56.060 the amount

01:17:56.580 of involvement

01:17:57.260 that TIFF

01:17:57.780 has got

01:17:58.280 with Qatar

01:17:59.280 which is

01:18:00.240 involved in

01:18:00.840 boycotts of

01:18:01.680 Israel and

01:18:02.420 Israel cultural

01:18:03.360 products around

01:18:04.180 the world

01:18:04.680 and TIFF

01:18:05.880 is very

01:18:06.720 very involved

01:18:07.840 with Qatar

01:18:08.780 which of course

01:18:09.700 plays host

01:18:10.460 to Hamas

01:18:11.300 and funds

01:18:12.440 Hamas

01:18:12.960 so you know

01:18:14.340 that I find

01:18:15.100 extremely suspicious

01:18:16.220 but at the end

01:18:17.120 of the day

01:18:17.620 the board

01:18:18.340 at TIFF

01:18:19.100 includes people

01:18:20.580 like John

01:18:21.100 Torrey

01:18:21.560 and others

01:18:23.500 need to wake

01:18:24.840 up because

01:18:25.640 they had a

01:18:26.720 leadership role

01:18:27.540 to exercise

01:18:28.240 and they did

01:18:29.080 not exercise

01:18:29.980 it and now

01:18:31.380 TIFF's reputation

01:18:32.520 is moneyed

01:18:33.160 and Barry

01:18:33.720 who full disclosure

01:18:34.780 is a friend

01:18:35.520 you know

01:18:36.800 I agree with you

01:18:37.700 I think

01:18:38.220 there's going to be

01:18:38.920 more people

01:18:39.360 wanting to see

01:18:40.040 this film

01:18:40.560 than ever before

01:18:41.360 which is a good

01:18:42.320 thing maybe

01:18:42.740 because finally

01:18:43.300 maybe we can

01:18:44.340 start to correct

01:18:45.140 all the propaganda

01:18:45.940 and actually get

01:18:47.500 some truths out there

01:18:48.280 but I'm curious

01:18:48.860 I know you're both

01:18:49.300 in communications

01:18:50.040 but Chris

01:18:50.500 at what point

01:18:51.620 in a communications

01:18:52.920 meeting are you

01:18:53.800 saying I know

01:18:55.080 let's just say

01:18:56.660 that we have to

01:18:57.580 get sign off

01:18:58.140 from a terrorist

01:18:58.740 group

01:18:59.600 like at what

01:19:00.680 point didn't

01:19:01.120 someone say

01:19:01.480 that's the

01:19:01.860 dumbest idea

01:19:02.600 like at what

01:19:03.320 point did they

01:19:03.840 think that was

01:19:04.280 going to fly

01:19:05.000 having said that

01:19:06.120 they ought to

01:19:07.220 have known

01:19:07.580 that this was

01:19:07.940 a problem

01:19:08.380 I don't know

01:19:08.860 where Olivia Chow

01:19:09.880 is I mean

01:19:10.560 she only shows

01:19:11.120 up for the fun

01:19:12.280 stuff but again

01:19:13.220 can they turn

01:19:14.840 this around

01:19:15.300 or does Cameron

01:19:16.720 Bailey who I

01:19:17.280 called two days

01:19:17.780 ago and haven't

01:19:18.220 heard back

01:19:18.600 does he have

01:19:19.420 to go

01:19:19.760 well I mean

01:19:20.800 he absolutely

01:19:21.740 should go

01:19:22.400 will he

01:19:22.880 absolutely not

01:19:23.860 I mean you

01:19:24.520 mentioned the

01:19:25.200 mayor

01:19:25.500 is it any

01:19:27.100 surprise to

01:19:27.700 either of you

01:19:28.220 in this city

01:19:28.800 right now

01:19:29.260 that something

01:19:29.720 like this

01:19:30.120 would happen

01:19:30.620 on a you

01:19:31.640 know on a

01:19:32.000 government

01:19:32.260 related board

01:19:33.140 there's just

01:19:33.960 you know

01:19:34.320 it's time

01:19:36.200 and time

01:19:36.540 again we see

01:19:37.260 this same

01:19:37.680 kind of thing

01:19:38.100 so your

01:19:38.400 question about

01:19:38.980 you know

01:19:39.280 have I ever

01:19:39.920 sat in a

01:19:40.360 comms meeting

01:19:40.860 said should

01:19:41.380 we get an

01:19:41.760 approval from

01:19:42.440 you know a

01:19:43.440 terrorist organization

01:19:44.180 of course not

01:19:45.080 but I think

01:19:46.100 it's I think

01:19:46.900 it just goes

01:19:47.360 to show

01:19:47.780 just how

01:19:48.540 you know

01:19:49.840 rotten and

01:19:50.540 anti-semitic

01:19:51.300 you know many

01:19:51.820 of these

01:19:52.080 organizations are

01:19:53.160 that nobody

01:19:54.380 batted an eyelash

01:19:55.380 when that was

01:19:55.960 the you know

01:19:56.760 the talking

01:19:57.380 point when they

01:19:58.400 said how are

01:19:59.220 we going to

01:19:59.460 respond and

01:19:59.920 justify this

01:20:00.540 oh let's

01:20:01.040 just say we

01:20:01.500 haven't reached

01:20:01.960 out and gotten

01:20:02.380 approval from the

01:20:03.080 terrorist organization

01:20:04.080 you know like

01:20:04.640 we you know

01:20:05.540 imagine a 9-11

01:20:06.400 documentary

01:20:07.260 we haven't

01:20:07.640 heard back

01:20:07.980 from the

01:20:08.240 Taliban

01:20:08.500 we haven't

01:20:08.840 heard back

01:20:09.160 from Osama

01:20:09.700 if we show

01:20:10.160 the Taliban

01:20:10.520 we paged

01:20:11.680 Osama Bin

01:20:12.280 Laden but he

01:20:12.760 hasn't gotten

01:20:13.100 back to us

01:20:13.760 so you know

01:20:14.320 let's let's

01:20:14.880 let's put this

01:20:15.480 documentary on

01:20:16.120 the shelf

01:20:16.440 for a couple

01:20:16.860 years

01:20:17.200 yeah

01:20:17.620 and I think

01:20:18.680 it's important

01:20:19.160 people know

01:20:19.760 Chris is not

01:20:20.520 joking everybody

01:20:21.420 that's literally

01:20:22.680 what Cameron

01:20:23.420 Bailey said

01:20:24.100 to Barry

01:20:24.560 Average

01:20:24.880 you need to

01:20:26.100 get permission

01:20:26.840 from Haas

01:20:27.880 you know

01:20:28.280 but the footage

01:20:28.940 you use in

01:20:29.540 your film

01:20:29.900 they literally

01:20:30.780 said that

01:20:31.480 like it's

01:20:31.880 madness

01:20:32.440 on a massive

01:20:33.440 scale

01:20:34.020 and what

01:20:35.160 Chris is

01:20:35.780 saying

01:20:36.020 it's not

01:20:36.460 a joke

01:20:36.840 that's

01:20:37.200 actually

01:20:37.600 what

01:20:38.000 Tiff

01:20:38.320 did

01:20:38.700 yeah

01:20:39.140 let me

01:20:39.520 pause it

01:20:39.860 there

01:20:40.060 only to

01:20:40.680 point out

01:20:41.060 the irony

01:20:41.660 that the

01:20:42.440 land

01:20:42.860 that Tiff

01:20:43.760 is built

01:20:44.240 on

01:20:44.560 was donated

01:20:45.580 by the

01:20:46.480 Holocaust

01:20:46.740 survivors

01:20:47.220 and the

01:20:47.440 family

01:20:47.740 of philanthropic

01:20:48.580 the Reitman

01:20:49.340 family

01:20:49.740 so they

01:20:50.700 should put

01:20:51.040 that in

01:20:51.760 their pipe

01:20:52.380 and maybe

01:20:52.780 smoke it

01:20:53.200 when we

01:20:53.740 come back

01:20:54.380 with Warren

01:20:54.960 and Chris

01:20:55.640 we're going

01:20:55.880 to talk

01:20:56.160 about comments

01:20:56.760 that Premier

01:20:57.240 Ford said

01:20:57.840 about hunting

01:20:58.600 down scientists

01:20:59.600 who test

01:21:00.680 on animals

01:21:01.260 too far

01:21:02.280 don't make that

01:21:03.280 into

01:21:18.800 near

01:21:19.500 Houston

01:21:20.440 inscription

01:21:20.980 in

01:21:22.080 the

01:21:22.560 Blessed

01:21:23.120 and

01:21:23.360 articulated

01:21:24.040 BP

01:21:24.880 hepat

01:21:25.880 and

01:21:26.840 melted

01:21:27.000 into

01:21:27.920 ground

01:21:28.920 by

01:21:29.700 founder

01:21:30.260 on

01:21:30.700 vérit

01:21:31.540 Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh

01:22:01.540 Oh, oh, oh, oh

01:22:31.540 Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh

01:22:35.800 Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh

01:22:37.860 Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh

01:22:39.080 Oh, oh you're always part of your breakthrough

01:22:41.680 Oh, oh

01:22:42.360 Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh

01:22:55.020 I'm gonna take a damn

01:23:13.740 I'm gonna find you alive

01:23:15.500 I'm gonna stay alive

01:23:17.320 I'm gonna stay alive

01:23:18.120 I'm gonna take a damn

01:23:20.720 I'm gonna feel that way

01:23:22.500 I'm gonna stay alive

01:23:24.960 Can I stay alive

01:23:28.240 They make me cry

01:23:30.380 Can I stay alive

01:23:31.620 They make me cry

01:23:33.360 Can I stay alive

01:23:35.560 They make me cry

01:23:37.360 Can I stay alive

01:23:46.660 And they make me cry

01:23:48.820 We'll be right back.

01:24:18.820 We'll be right back.

01:24:48.820 We'll be right back.

kinsellacast - August 17, 2025

KINSELLACAST 374： Extra long with no SFH whatsoever - but with Lilley, Pierson, Znaimer! Plus Toots, Slits, Dirty Nil and Swell Maps!

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