kinsellacast - KINSELLACAST 375： Up at the lake with the dogs, plus Lilley, Pierson and more talking tariffs, drought and more! Plus Militarie Gun, Drug Church, Public Opinion, Joyce Manor & Spiritual Cramp

00:00:00.000 It's the Kinsella cast starring Warren Kinsella.

00:00:15.600 Hey, it's Warren. Welcome to Kinsella cast. It's a summertime Kinsella cast. So

00:00:19.600 slightly shorter show with me and Brian Lenny and Chloe and Alex Pearson, Mike Downey,

00:00:26.260 some other folks talking about things political. If you listen carefully, you can hear some other

00:00:32.820 contributors, which is Tommy and Joey asleep at my feet snoring because they've had a rough morning

00:00:39.060 eating toast, bacon and running into the lake. It's really hard being a Kinsella lab and great

00:00:47.080 music. Like it's got some, it's I'm in a hardcore mood this week. I'm sorry. So shoot me. I've got

00:00:53.980 military gun with their newest bad idea just came in the past few days. Then I've got public opinion

00:00:59.800 and drug church coming together for a new one that is heavy spiritual cramp, who's always a bit more

00:01:07.940 poppy from San Francisco, but I love, and I've seen a million times and I love this band. And then

00:01:13.820 Joyce Manor also with a brand new track that just came out in the past week. And, um, so some,

00:01:21.020 some good music, um, kind of a political thing I wanted to start out with. Um, Barack Obama called

00:01:29.580 it an empathy deficit, which he defined as being able to stand in somebody else's shoes and see the

00:01:37.540 world through their eyes. And Obama didn't invent the concept. Of course, Jesus did, you know, do unto

00:01:45.140 others that you would have them do unto you, but it's a really important one politically.

00:01:50.600 Conservative leader, Pierre Polyev showed some overdue political empathy on the hustings in

00:01:56.320 Alberta's Battle River Crowfoot by-election and paid dividends. He won in a landslide this week.

00:02:02.440 And he said before the vote, I'm born and bred Albertan with strong Alberta values, and he's going

00:02:07.580 to take the fight for farmers and oil and gas workers and so on to the national stage. So that's,

00:02:14.200 that's all good. That's showing a bit of empathy, putting yourself in the shoes of others and the

00:02:19.120 social scientists remind us that people develop empathy for other people when like Polyev or like

00:02:27.000 people who travel a lot or like people move from one province to the other, they uproot themselves

00:02:32.100 and develop something called neuroplasticity, neuroplasticity. That happens when the human brain

00:02:40.220 literally reorganizes itself through new connections throughout life. My neuroplasticity moment happened

00:02:47.880 a few years ago when I moved to rural Canada, which is Prince Edward County. After a lifetime in big

00:02:55.520 cities, Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver, Calgary, Dallas, Ottawa, the pandemic was the impetus, but the payoff

00:03:02.760 was almost immediate. And I said to Joey and, and Roxy at that point, why did I do this years ago?

00:03:11.480 Prince Edward County is a wonderful, beautiful, amazing place to live. It's an hour and a bit

00:03:16.680 outside of Toronto, but in the past few months, no small amount of sadness and anxiety have crept in

00:03:22.800 and drought is the reason. Jason Parks is a writer. He's a longtime local and he's the editor of the

00:03:30.900 Picton Gazette, which is one of the fine papers published in the county, as it's called. And a few

00:03:38.040 days ago, he started writing about the drought that has stricken my part of rural Canada and is made for

00:03:44.540 some compelling but depressing reading. Like even if you're a newcomer and you know nothing about

00:03:49.660 agriculture, like me, it's impossible not to feel empathy for your neighbors now. Let me read you

00:03:55.480 just a little bit of what Jason wrote. Withered corn stalks resemble onion scrapes in the oppressive

00:04:01.740 and apparently never-ending dry heat. Soybean plantings on marginal lands are in trouble. Some

00:04:09.720 soybean fields on heavier clay have an emerald green glow and a decent ground cover, but the top flowers

00:04:17.280 are aborting in the absence of moisture. Pods that have started to develop under the foliage

00:04:23.020 could still produce some beans, but the timeline for a crop-saving rain is short.

00:04:30.100 And there's nothing in the forecast.

00:04:33.520 City slickers like me have even noticed it. Like perennials have started to wither away

00:04:39.220 despite being watered with precious well water every day. Water trucks heading up and down the

00:04:45.860 parkway at all hours heading to and from desperate farmers. Trees are shedding leaves like it's late

00:04:52.300 fall because of what the experts call water stress. And Park told me about how he grew up on a dairy farm

00:04:59.180 just south of Picton and how proud he was. He was a teenager and he planted all of his family's

00:05:05.600 soybeans. It was a big thing he said for him. He was proud of it and he's always felt connected to the

00:05:11.980 land, which they called the dirt beat, he said. The dirt beat agriculture. And agriculture is in

00:05:18.420 trouble in Prince Edward County this summer, as in the prairies and British Columbia and parts of

00:05:25.100 southwestern Quebec and southern New Brunswick, much Nova Scotia. It's just so damn dry. Like it's drier

00:05:33.000 than ash. People in cities may not be seeing it yet, but they will be at the supermarket checkout.

00:05:40.860 Corn is a write-off, basically. They're stunted, withered-looking cobs. They're going to be plowed

00:05:47.700 under, used as livestock feed. And soybeans, which is used in food and feed and industrial products like

00:05:53.520 biodiesel, are also in distress. Solid rain, which has really only happened a couple times in the county

00:06:00.660 since May, is urgently needed. And none is presently forecast. And farms, family and otherwise,

00:06:07.340 are getting hammered. It's been a really tough year. And, you know, as Park said to me,

00:06:13.860 you got to put yourself in the booths of a farmer. And it's true. That's empathy. In tough times like

00:06:21.620 these, as Obama said, and Christ and others, that's when we need to consider and actually feel

00:06:28.500 the plight of our neighbors. That's when empathy comes in. Or, at least, when it should.

00:06:35.060 3, 2, 3, 2, 1.

00:06:37.740 3, 2, 1.

00:06:39.740 3, 2, 1.

00:06:41.640 3, 2, 1.

00:06:43.340 I've been super-to, super-to, super-to, super-to.

00:06:45.740 My eyes are baggy and my face is fucked up.

00:06:48.740 You can ask again, but I don't got the money.

00:06:51.380 Play the same game, take me, save me and win.

00:06:54.500 Play what you got, man. Please understand.

00:06:56.940 You got a one-five chance to never see him again.

00:07:00.080 Try to walk right, when they've got to wait.

00:07:02.500 Try to duck it out, but he put out a knife.

00:07:05.860 Did I? Didn't know.

00:07:08.560 Did I? Didn't know.

00:07:11.360 Did I? Didn't know.

00:07:14.300 Did I? Didn't know.

00:07:17.180 B-A-G-R-G-E-A

00:07:19.880 I'm dying to make you bitch, head in the wrong way.

00:07:22.860 B-A-G-R-G-E-A

00:07:25.680 You'll never get it, so just forget.

00:07:27.920 B-A-G-E-A

00:07:33.640 Shit

00:07:34.600 B-A-G-E-A

00:07:36.740 I just give it an, give it an, give it an, give it an.

00:07:42.260 Missed by a mob, could have sworn it was an edge.

00:07:45.320 When you told me, never talked to me again.

00:07:48.200 Asked to apologize, I could not comprehend.

00:07:51.060 Did I? Didn't know.

00:07:53.720 Did I? Didn't know.

00:07:55.800 Did I? Didn't know.

00:07:59.480 Did I? Didn't know.

00:08:02.380 B-A-G-R-G-E-A

00:08:04.840 God damn man, you've been heading the wrong way.

00:08:07.780 B-A-G-R-G-E-A

00:08:10.780 You'll never get it, so just forget.

00:08:13.640 B-A-G-R-G-E-A

00:08:16.280 God damn man, you've been heading the wrong way.

00:08:19.340 B-A-G-R-G-E-A

00:08:22.120 You'll never get it, so just forget.

00:08:24.420 B-A-G-R-G-E-A

00:08:25.060 And we're back, we're back.

00:08:26.820 Brian Lilly and I are outdoorsmen.

00:08:28.880 I'm sitting on my fat ass on my deck in the cab,

00:08:33.960 and I've had a bacon sandwich and espresso,

00:08:36.260 so I'm going to die soon.

00:08:37.720 And Brian is doing something much more healthy.

00:08:40.040 He's out and about with Chloe, the Wonder Dog,

00:08:43.260 and heading to Niagara Falls later on today.

00:08:45.740 And sir, how are you?

00:08:46.540 B-A-G-R-G-E-A

00:08:47.180 I'm doing well.

00:08:48.380 It is a beautiful day.

00:08:50.260 I was upstairs on the rooftop patio earlier,

00:08:54.700 staring out over Lake Ontario.

00:08:56.300 It's far away from where I live,

00:08:58.140 but there's one clear spot I could look through

00:09:00.240 and I can see Lake Ontario

00:09:01.400 from the middle of the dirty city.

00:09:04.820 B-A-G-R-G-E-A

00:09:04.940 Now, were you up on the roof?

00:09:06.100 Is an emotional reaction to Mark Carney's

00:09:09.360 complete about face this week?

00:09:11.860 Was that why you were up there?

00:09:13.700 You were despairing of what he did?

00:09:15.800 I was pondering the end.

00:09:18.280 I had Jim Morrison going through my mind.

00:09:20.900 This is the end.

00:09:23.100 You and I have had very different reactions to this.

00:09:25.880 Yeah.

00:09:26.320 And I think we can have a nice, respectful chat,

00:09:29.980 as we always do.

00:09:31.160 But I said to you several weeks ago,

00:09:33.200 you remember that I backed the whole idea

00:09:35.400 of retaliatory tariffs, right?

00:09:37.200 And then I broke the news on your podcast

00:09:41.340 before a column in the sun or anywhere else.

00:09:45.660 I said, I think I was wrong about this.

00:09:48.240 This isn't working.

00:09:49.740 I said that to you a few weeks ago.

00:09:51.620 And so I've been of the mind for a little while

00:09:54.280 that, you know what?

00:09:57.240 Mexico didn't do what we did.

00:09:59.060 No other country other than China did what we did.

00:10:03.800 Maybe we're on the wrong path

00:10:05.460 because we were being isolated.

00:10:07.420 We're being frozen out.

00:10:08.740 And not just because of the terrorists, by the way.

00:10:12.340 You know, I've heard this from people in private

00:10:14.280 or related to the Canadian diplomatic corps,

00:10:17.660 Canadian industry, as well as Americans.

00:10:21.060 We were just being jerks in the negotiations.

00:10:26.000 So we were getting nowhere.

00:10:29.020 I know Canadians don't like to hear that.

00:10:30.720 But guess what?

00:10:31.700 Everyone can be a jerk.

00:10:33.240 Let me tell you about God knows I know how to be one.

00:10:35.580 The reason why I objected to what Kearney did,

00:10:38.800 to me, he reminded me of a junior level accountant

00:10:41.500 coming out and explaining a mess to his boss.

00:10:44.800 Oh, he sounded like one.

00:10:46.520 I loved your tweet about that.

00:10:49.240 His Friday noon news conference.

00:10:52.440 Yeah.

00:10:52.680 He's like, so let me explain why American tariffs are good.

00:10:56.320 So, like, my point is, my criticism isn't of him that he did retaliatory tariffs

00:11:02.780 or didn't, because God knows with Donald Trump,

00:11:05.400 you don't know what's going to work, if anything.

00:11:08.000 My problem with it is this,

00:11:10.600 and I should have explained myself better, I guess,

00:11:13.280 is he did the opposite of what he said he was going to do.

00:11:16.640 I'm not saying he hasn't ended up in the right position.

00:11:19.440 He may well end up in the right position now,

00:11:22.640 but it's the total opposite of what he said he was going to do

00:11:25.780 during the election campaign.

00:11:27.360 Yeah.

00:11:28.440 I may have shared the clip of him and his wife dancing with their elbows up.

00:11:32.940 You've seen that very cringeworthy clip.

00:11:36.640 I went up on the roof with you when I saw that one.

00:11:40.720 Yeah, and I looked over the edge and thought.

00:11:44.020 So, absolutely, the exact opposite.

00:11:48.080 And, you know, I think what he did during the election campaign

00:11:54.000 is part of why we're here.

00:11:56.580 Going back months, the Americans have said,

00:11:58.940 look, this is not personal to Canada.

00:12:01.580 We're doing this to everyone because we think the trading system

00:12:05.140 doesn't work for the United States anymore,

00:12:07.160 and we're going to adjust it, and we're in trade negotiations.

00:12:10.780 That is what they have said repeatedly.

00:12:13.120 And we have taken it very personally,

00:12:16.200 and I understand why Canadians would, especially with the 51st state stuff,

00:12:19.600 but just on the tariffs and other things.

00:12:22.120 We've taken it incredibly personally.

00:12:25.320 We have, and Karner leaned into that and whipped up anti-American rhetoric,

00:12:29.540 which always plays well in Canadian politics.

00:12:33.420 Yeah.

00:12:33.540 But what's the end result?

00:12:37.160 Now he's gone from saying they're trying to break us with these moves

00:12:40.400 to saying, I mean, look, we've got the best deal of any country in the world.

00:12:46.720 And someone asked him about Mexico and said, well, but Mexico got a reprieve.

00:12:51.000 He's like, oh, no, our calculations show our deal's better than Mexico's even.

00:12:55.380 Well, wait a minute.

00:12:57.500 Are they trying to break us and take us over economically,

00:13:01.820 or is this just a change in trade policies you're now saying?

00:13:06.540 I have to ask you, like, did you hear his hockey analogy?

00:13:11.320 Like, it sounded like instead of Scotty Bowman coaching the Habs,

00:13:15.360 it sounded like Timothy Leary on acid.

00:13:17.840 Like, it was incoherent.

00:13:20.540 Absolutely incoherent.

00:13:21.380 He had, like, three of them, and one of them wasn't bad,

00:13:26.520 and the rest, I'm like, hey, I don't know where you're going with this.

00:13:29.840 And, yeah, I played hockey too, buddy.

00:13:34.140 I don't understand the coach.

00:13:36.540 Well, to me, that's the issue is this is a reversal,

00:13:40.060 and he can pretty it up with any kind of fancy words that he likes

00:13:43.920 and sound like the Bank of Canada governor again and all that.

00:13:47.660 But he's reversed himself.

00:13:48.860 Like, he used to be wearing one of those neck braces

00:13:51.360 because of the whiplash that happened, you know, this week.

00:13:55.000 Or, to use the elbows up analogy, well, they've been up, they've been down.

00:13:58.900 A lot of people saying it's looking like the chicken dance,

00:14:01.040 the way the elbows are flapping up and down so much.

00:14:03.740 So is he going to pay a price?

00:14:06.500 No.

00:14:08.100 No.

00:14:08.500 And it's funny, just the day before he had his call, or the day he had his call with Trump,

00:14:14.140 I published a piece on my newsletter saying the more he fights with Trump, the better it is for him.

00:14:22.000 Like, his voter coalition, the people that coalesced around him,

00:14:26.000 including former conservatives who went to him in this last election,

00:14:30.500 I hear, I get emails from them daily.

00:14:33.500 And I say emails because it is an older crowd that is just, no, we need to do this.

00:14:40.060 We need to fight with them.

00:14:41.120 And, you know, the mango Mussolini, you know, one of your favorite phrases to describe Trump.

00:14:45.960 I imagine it. Thank you.

00:14:46.760 He can't be trusted, and so we have to fight with them.

00:14:51.000 Like, how's that working out for people that are losing their jobs or whose businesses are hurting?

00:14:57.300 Like, let's think, you know, my view is, and I take Trump for what he is.

00:15:01.500 He's like one of those relatives.

00:15:02.840 You have to deal with them, so you just take him for what he is.

00:15:05.860 You can't escape him.

00:15:07.220 Um, so, you know, I just, how do we get to where we need to be?

00:15:12.840 That is my view of all of this.

00:15:15.120 And so I've been saying for some time that we needed to change course,

00:15:21.300 and we've changed course somewhat now.

00:15:24.360 I think that's good.

00:15:25.500 Let's see where it lands us.

00:15:26.860 But his people who were all for fight more with Trump will now just say,

00:15:32.440 he's a smart man.

00:15:33.820 He knows what he's doing.

00:15:34.860 And anyone that criticizes them is an idiot.

00:15:37.560 Yeah, it was, we are, we are very tribal.

00:15:39.860 It was what the election was all about.

00:15:41.720 Anyway, so he's, he's now turned him inside.

00:15:44.880 He's, he's eaten himself alive.

00:15:46.820 So I guess we'll see if he pays the price or not.

00:15:49.380 Pierre Polyev is back.

00:15:51.200 Won his seat with a million percent of the vote out in Alberta in the by-election.

00:15:56.800 And I see it on CBC that this woman almost won it.

00:16:00.440 Yeah, right.

00:16:01.060 Less than 10% of the vote.

00:16:03.320 I mean, she came real close.

00:16:04.820 But the one thing that, you know, I've just, I pay attention to the optics of politicians

00:16:09.300 and Carney reversed himself.

00:16:11.860 Polyev looks like, I don't know, to me, it looks like he hasn't learned any lessons from

00:16:16.700 the election.

00:16:17.280 It's, you know, still the, you know, the kind of angry dude and stuff.

00:16:21.020 I know it works with his base, but does it get him where he needs to get?

00:16:24.520 We're going to have to wait and see until the House resumes.

00:16:30.440 I think he's got to take a different tack when the House resumes to how he tackles Carney

00:16:35.180 compared to Trudeau.

00:16:36.020 You couldn't punch Trudeau hard enough at the end.

00:16:38.860 People, people just, I mean, the whole country was cheering on Polyev when he was punching

00:16:44.320 Trudeau at the end, even if they weren't going to vote for him because they were fed up

00:16:48.120 with him.

00:16:49.640 You're right.

00:16:50.380 He doesn't have a different tone.

00:16:51.940 He sounded very much the same.

00:16:54.960 He's, you know, valid critiques of Carney, just like you and I have been making.

00:17:01.060 This isn't what he promised.

00:17:03.880 Is it going to change things?

00:17:06.440 It takes a while, as you know, in politics for people to get dented.

00:17:12.680 And I'm not sure Carney's there yet.

00:17:15.880 The Jenny Byrne, there was Shannon Proudfoot in the Globe, did what I didn't do.

00:17:21.920 Which is pay close attention to the stuff that Jenny Byrne had been saying.

00:17:28.180 And then Jim Armour, who's a funny Ottawa lobbyist, chimed in.

00:17:33.400 And basically the criticism of Proudfoot and Armour seemed to be Jenny and, by extension,

00:17:40.000 Pierre are saying, well, the house we built was perfect.

00:17:43.660 There was nothing wrong with the house.

00:17:44.680 The problem was we had this unforeseen storm and we, you know, we should have kept the

00:17:49.780 same kind of campaign.

00:17:50.880 What's your take on that?

00:17:51.900 Well, I looked up in critical of the campaign that they ran on many fronts.

00:18:03.460 If you saw Doug Ford in Ottawa on Monday when he was up with Mark Carney, which, by the way,

00:18:11.780 a little bit of background.

00:18:13.000 People like to listen to you and I because we always have background stuff that others

00:18:16.560 don't know.

00:18:17.560 Doug Ford did not fly to Ottawa to meet with Mark Carney.

00:18:19.960 Doug Ford flew to Ottawa for the Association of Municipalities of Ontario, the most important

00:18:25.920 meeting that you go to other than the tractor pull in Ontario politics.

00:18:30.920 So he was up for that and to have a fundraiser slash volunteer thank you in the afternoon.

00:18:39.420 He's like, if it seemed like the meeting meant nothing and was about nothing, it's because

00:18:43.960 it was.

00:18:44.420 It was slapped together at the last minute, but he's coming out of that meeting and he's

00:18:49.620 asked a bunch of questions and one of them was about Polly Ed and he said, oh, I should

00:18:54.100 just work with the prime minister.

00:18:55.500 The prime minister's doing a great job.

00:18:57.340 It's clear that those two haven't patched up and Polly needs to find a way to break through

00:19:03.320 in Ontario.

00:19:03.920 And if he can't make nice with Doug Ford in Ontario, and if he can't make, they've apparently

00:19:10.440 had a phone call a little while ago.

00:19:12.680 They need to go in a boat and go fishing out on your lake or, you know, have a big long pasta

00:19:18.740 dinner out of Postachino's in Etobicoke.

00:19:21.360 They need to do something to patch up.

00:19:25.320 Polly needs to patch up with Tim Houston.

00:19:27.340 These things need to happen or he's going to have trouble in these areas, though, because

00:19:34.380 he needs the ground game that these guys can bring to them.

00:19:39.120 And, yeah, so, look, they did run a good campaign.

00:19:44.520 And in most instances, it would have given them a massive majority, but they didn't win

00:19:48.500 enough seats.

00:19:49.160 And you count seats, not votes.

00:19:50.600 And so, you know, figure out where the seats you need to win are and work with the people

00:19:57.180 that will get you there and stop having this shibboleth contest where it's like, no, you're

00:20:02.680 not a real conservative.

00:20:03.600 I'm a real conservative.

00:20:05.360 If they're part of your tribe, work with them.

00:20:08.660 Did you just say shibboleth?

00:20:09.840 Because that is so awesome.

00:20:11.920 I did say shibboleth.

00:20:13.220 That is like the best Scrabble word of all time.

00:20:15.520 You win the total game.

00:20:16.300 Well, just final question, then, as you continue your walk with Chloe, do you think either

00:20:22.560 one of these, does Doug Ford want to make peace with Pierre Polyev?

00:20:25.940 And does Pierre Polyev have it in him to make peace with Doug Ford?

00:20:31.680 Well, Polyev made the right first step.

00:20:34.440 He did call Ford a little while ago.

00:20:37.200 Does Ford want to make peace with him?

00:20:38.880 I think he's annoyed with him.

00:20:41.080 Although for the last week or two, I've been feeling like Ford's annoyed at everyone and

00:20:44.200 everything.

00:20:46.300 And, you know, I am not a big proponent of Doug Ford wants to be a conservative leader.

00:20:55.120 He's saying too many nice things about Mark Carney to be able to run against him.

00:21:01.460 I don't know.

00:21:02.360 They may just be two ships passing in a night.

00:21:05.200 But if they don't figure it out, and it's got to be up to Pierre, not Ford.

00:21:10.640 Pierre has to make the move.

00:21:12.060 He has to make the peace.

00:21:13.920 Miss the ring.

00:21:14.520 Whatever analogy you want to use.

00:21:17.700 He's got to be the one to do it.

00:21:19.880 And if he doesn't, that's going to come long term.

00:21:23.440 Before things went out, there were people that went to him and said, you need to work

00:21:32.680 with Ford.

00:21:34.000 When you become prime minister, you're going to want to have a good relationship with the

00:21:37.460 premier of the biggest province in the country.

00:21:39.160 And his response was, he's going to want to have a good relationship with me when I'm

00:21:43.880 prime minister.

00:21:44.820 Ouch.

00:21:46.220 Ouch.

00:21:46.900 And, you know, so look, things have changed.

00:21:49.780 You've got to change your attitude if you want to win going forward.

00:21:54.100 And that's what you and me, good Irish Catholic boys, we're taught.

00:21:59.100 Compromise ain't such a bad thing sometimes.

00:22:01.740 And you go to confession.

00:22:03.660 And Niagara Falls.

00:22:04.660 So enjoy yourself in Niagara Falls with family and friends.

00:22:08.860 Have a wonderful day.

00:22:10.460 And I'll talk to you this week.

00:22:12.680 Thank you, sir.

00:22:13.020 Talk soon.

00:22:13.340 Bye.

00:22:36.900 It's not enough.

00:22:37.520 It's not enough.

00:22:39.320 More is way too much.

00:22:41.700 No call, can't talk, can't guide, not enough, the right start.

00:22:47.780 It's less than trust.

00:22:49.140 It's less than trust.

00:22:50.840 Oh, but it's more than love.

00:22:54.060 Define, find, like, try not to fuck it all.

00:23:02.260 Believe me, I've seen it for myself.

00:23:08.320 We're standing, that only time would.

00:23:11.700 Tell it's over now.

00:23:24.840 Break, break, break in my own path with all the patience I've been given.

00:23:28.740 And all you want is more.

00:23:31.760 Talk and talk, but I'll never listen.

00:23:34.800 Pay no mind to the public opinion.

00:23:36.800 It's less than trust.

00:23:37.800 It's less than trust.

00:23:38.520 It's less than trust.

00:23:39.660 Oh, but it's all I've got.

00:23:43.160 Can't cop, can't stop.

00:23:45.080 It's all becoming unfair.

00:23:47.800 Believe me, I've seen it for myself.

00:24:00.800 Pretending that only time would tell is over now.

00:24:05.800 I'm feeling, I'm feeling, I'm feeling overwhelmed.

00:24:12.580 It's healing, but then it starts to swell.

00:24:16.680 Owen 같아 one or story yeah.

00:24:17.680 It's some downloads.

00:24:20.480 Remember me we got on you.

00:24:22.900 I'm feeling, I'll never listen.

00:24:24.180 Over here.

00:24:26.240 Yeah.

00:24:27.300 Yeah.

00:24:27.700 Over here.

00:24:28.820 You're now missing out.

00:24:29.820 Yeah.

00:24:30.560 Yeah.

00:24:31.020 Nice.

00:24:31.800 You're now missing out.

00:24:33.140 From me.

00:24:33.280 Of me.

00:24:34.620 Yeah.

00:24:35.560 You're now missing out.

00:24:36.940 I'm feeling it for myself.

00:24:38.080 Yeah.

00:24:38.720 They're not missing.

00:24:38.980 You're now missing out.

00:24:39.300 You're now missing out.

00:24:40.000 You're now missing out.

00:24:40.960 It reminds me of what I've lost and what I've got here

00:24:45.680 It reminds me of what I've lost and what I've got here

00:24:51.360 It's got you laid, remind me

00:24:56.920 It's got you laid, remind me

00:25:01.080 I'm worried about what I've been

00:25:04.640 I've seen it for myself

00:25:09.360 It's ending, that only time will end over now

00:25:16.200 I'm feeling, I'm feeling overwhelmed

00:25:20.640 It's in love when David starts to swell

00:25:26.760 And deconstruct the week that was

00:25:32.820 And in comes Mr. Warren Kinsella, former special advisor to Jean Chrétien, CEO of The Daisy Group

00:25:38.680 And Mr. Chris Chapin, political commentator, managing principal of Upstream Strategy

00:25:43.600 Gentlemen, how are you doing?

00:25:45.720 Terrific

00:25:46.160 Wonderful

00:25:47.240 Terrific and wonderful

00:25:49.040 You don't sound terrific and wonderful

00:25:50.780 I'm like, it's Friday

00:25:53.140 There's extra excitement to this day

00:25:55.400 Look, I don't know what this day is going to look like

00:25:58.460 Donald Trump will come out at some point

00:26:00.120 And he'll be giving some big announcement

00:26:02.000 Whether it has to do with Canada

00:26:03.400 I don't know

00:26:04.320 But Mr. Carney and Mr. Trump had a discussion

00:26:07.440 Finally on Thursday in a phone call

00:26:09.860 It had been some time on this

00:26:11.860 Let me start with you on this, Warren

00:26:14.020 Look, you know, Mark Carney seems to be getting kind of an extended honeymoon

00:26:17.660 In the sense that he made some very specific promises

00:26:20.580 And he himself set the time

00:26:22.620 As to, you know, interprovincial trade barriers coming down

00:26:26.080 That was supposed to happen July 1st

00:26:27.500 And then, of course, he was going to deliver a trade deal

00:26:29.780 You know, a new deal for Canada in 30 days

00:26:32.760 We've gotten neither of those

00:26:34.400 And they discussed things like security yesterday

00:26:37.300 And Ukraine and the future of that

00:26:39.360 But we get nothing out of this

00:26:41.460 And he's not really communicating with Canadians

00:26:44.040 And, you know, where do you put this, you know, for him?

00:26:47.800 How much longer can he tread water without saying anything tangible?

00:26:53.020 He would tell you he can tread water for a while

00:26:55.500 You know, the numbers that have been coming out over the past few weeks

00:26:59.040 Suggest that Canadians have a lot of confidence in him

00:27:01.520 But, you know, that could be just put down to the honeymoon period

00:27:05.380 And the fact that his opponents have been effectively leaderless

00:27:09.080 For the entire summer

00:27:10.200 You know, it feels to me like a lot of lunchbag letdown

00:27:14.680 He's raised expectations many times

00:27:17.280 That he hasn't satisfied

00:27:19.100 And eventually, you know, there's a price to pay for that

00:27:22.720 He's not paying it yet

00:27:24.000 But I think he will

00:27:25.360 In fairness to him, obviously, we all know

00:27:27.620 Dealing, you know, with Donald Trump on tariffs

00:27:31.560 Or the economy

00:27:32.380 Or pretty much anything

00:27:33.540 You know, he's up and down like a toilet seat

00:27:35.680 You can't figure out where he's going to be

00:27:37.640 We get all that

00:27:38.860 But, I mean, that's why people elected Mark Carney

00:27:42.360 Because he said to us

00:27:43.980 Well, I know how to deal with guys like this

00:27:46.420 I know how to deal with this problem

00:27:48.380 And, you know, the evidence increasingly shows

00:27:51.800 That he hasn't and he doesn't

00:27:54.100 And that, you know, the situation we had

00:27:56.920 When Justin Trudeau was Prime Minister

00:27:58.800 You know, it's arguably even worse

00:28:01.640 Because now these tariffs are hitting multiple sectors

00:28:05.040 In the Canadian economy

00:28:06.040 So, lunch bag let down

00:28:07.900 That's how I'd describe it

00:28:09.060 There you go

00:28:09.800 Look, he was known in the UK

00:28:11.840 As the unreliable boyfriend

00:28:13.420 Chris

00:28:14.540 But here we are

00:28:15.740 And I would argue

00:28:17.580 You know, everyone knows

00:28:19.140 That Donald Trump is unpredictable

00:28:20.900 Which is why, you know

00:28:22.100 Oftentimes when Justin Trudeau was poking him

00:28:24.540 It's like, what are you doing?

00:28:26.140 And so here we are

00:28:27.100 And it was Mark Carney himself

00:28:28.540 Who said, yeah, yeah, yeah

00:28:29.280 We know that

00:28:29.780 But I can deal with him

00:28:31.100 And so he's the one who's already missed his deadlines

00:28:34.540 How much forgiveness does he get?

00:28:36.860 How long do you think this lasts for him?

00:28:39.480 I think Warren's right

00:28:40.780 I mean, I think he thinks it's going to last longer

00:28:42.920 Than it probably will

00:28:43.980 But we haven't seen that publicly quite yet

00:28:47.340 So I'm very interested to see how things shape up

00:28:51.500 As we head into the fall

00:28:52.620 I don't want to get ahead of myself

00:28:54.400 But I think, you know, knowing for certain

00:28:56.940 Not that it was ever in doubt

00:28:58.060 That Pierre Polyev's going to be back in the legislature

00:29:00.240 Come the fall

00:29:00.960 I mean, his strong suit

00:29:02.020 His entire career

00:29:02.860 And certainly was the single greatest thorn

00:29:05.460 In the side of just about everybody

00:29:06.860 In the Liberal cabinet

00:29:07.700 Including the Prime Minister

00:29:08.680 When it came to question period

00:29:09.900 And his ability to kind of

00:29:11.020 Really change Canadians' perspectives

00:29:13.100 About the Liberal government

00:29:14.400 On certain issues

00:29:15.900 Is going to be a factor

00:29:17.300 That Mark Carney hasn't had to deal with yet

00:29:19.540 You know, following the election

00:29:21.600 The Conservatives have been

00:29:23.520 You know, missing in action

00:29:25.840 And that's because

00:29:26.820 Their focus and efforts were elsewhere

00:29:28.560 But he's been able to govern effectively

00:29:31.740 Without an opposition

00:29:32.720 For the first 100, 150 days

00:29:35.260 Of being Prime Minister

00:29:36.540 And that comes with the benefit

00:29:38.720 Of not getting criticised

00:29:39.880 And so he, you know

00:29:43.920 I think the approach they're taking

00:29:45.320 Is probably the smarter one

00:29:46.760 I think poking the bear

00:29:48.300 Clearly never worked with the President

00:29:50.220 And we've seen the rhetoric

00:29:52.460 From the President

00:29:53.200 Dialed down for what feels like

00:29:56.640 A month or two

00:29:57.380 We haven't heard him coming out

00:29:58.880 Sitting on his plane

00:29:59.920 Talking about the 51st state

00:30:01.240 In a long time

00:30:02.000 So maybe the approach is working

00:30:03.980 But at some point

00:30:04.800 They need to show results

00:30:05.780 And if that doesn't start happening

00:30:07.040 Before the fall

00:30:07.800 I think the Prime Minister

00:30:09.320 Is in a lot of trouble

00:30:10.040 Yeah, and look

00:30:11.240 We're already starting to see

00:30:12.320 The rubber hit the road

00:30:13.060 I mean, we have warned

00:30:14.140 For several months quietly

00:30:15.440 You know, manufacturing in Ontario

00:30:17.000 Is just being

00:30:17.500 Just decimated, right?

00:30:18.900 Autos being hit

00:30:19.800 Steel and aluminum being hit

00:30:22.600 Like they're concerned

00:30:23.720 You know, that they're just

00:30:25.160 Hanging by a thread

00:30:26.080 And now we've got reporting

00:30:27.660 By the Canadian Federation

00:30:28.720 Of Independent Business

00:30:29.660 Showing that one in five

00:30:31.160 Small businesses

00:30:31.840 Will shut their doors

00:30:33.080 If they don't see

00:30:34.500 You know, some kind of action

00:30:36.500 In the next couple of

00:30:37.560 A few months

00:30:38.380 And so the action

00:30:40.200 They're asking for

00:30:41.240 Is either lower our

00:30:42.620 Business taxes

00:30:43.480 Or give us a share

00:30:44.700 Of the tariffs

00:30:45.780 That are being

00:30:46.420 You know, collected

00:30:47.280 At the border

00:30:47.880 Which is something

00:30:48.820 That Paul Yev promised

00:30:49.840 During the election

00:30:50.640 Didn't get much attention

00:30:51.600 But like

00:30:52.380 There are things

00:30:53.600 That Carney

00:30:54.340 And Doug Ford

00:30:55.180 And the premiers

00:30:55.940 Can actually do

00:30:57.160 To help small businesses

00:30:58.520 In the country

00:30:58.980 And I would remind people

00:30:59.820 Have been just decimated

00:31:01.200 Since the pandemic

00:31:02.620 What would you do

00:31:04.140 If you were advising

00:31:05.680 Carney or even Ford

00:31:07.060 Or any of the premiers

00:31:07.760 What would you say?

00:31:09.720 I'd say what I always say

00:31:11.160 Is pay attention

00:31:11.880 To what Donald Trump does

00:31:13.100 Not what he says

00:31:14.160 And you know

00:31:15.520 There's a lot of head fakes

00:31:16.720 And there's a lot of this

00:31:17.620 Art of the deal nonsense

00:31:18.920 So we've got to be

00:31:20.720 Resolutely fixated

00:31:22.260 On what the reality is

00:31:24.540 And you know

00:31:25.640 We've heard threats

00:31:26.700 About dairy

00:31:27.620 About our banking system

00:31:29.620 About a digital services tax

00:31:31.840 About fentanyl

00:31:33.520 You know

00:31:35.280 On one level

00:31:36.360 It looks like craziness

00:31:37.740 And madness

00:31:38.400 On another level

00:31:39.440 It may indeed be a strategy

00:31:41.340 So I think

00:31:42.680 You know

00:31:43.260 My advice to them

00:31:44.400 To use the sports analogy

00:31:45.680 Is keep your eye

00:31:46.360 On the ball

00:31:46.900 Don't get suckered in

00:31:48.560 By these head fakes

00:31:50.180 That he continually does

00:31:52.100 And you know

00:31:54.020 Focus on protecting

00:31:55.200 Our industry

00:31:57.240 And our economy

00:31:58.800 I think you know

00:32:00.260 They have been

00:32:01.080 Making some effort

00:32:02.060 At you know

00:32:03.140 Building trade deals

00:32:04.320 Elsewhere in the world

00:32:05.760 But because of geography

00:32:07.480 That just doesn't pay

00:32:09.080 The kind of dividends

00:32:09.820 That we get

00:32:10.560 From having trade deals

00:32:12.120 With the Americans

00:32:12.940 So it's a big problem

00:32:15.960 You know

00:32:16.240 I run a small business

00:32:17.420 So does Chris

00:32:18.180 And we're hearing it

00:32:20.280 From our clients

00:32:21.040 The ones who do business

00:32:22.140 Across the border

00:32:22.920 They're getting hurt

00:32:24.080 So at some point

00:32:25.980 As I said a minute ago

00:32:27.160 There's going to be

00:32:28.200 A price to pay

00:32:28.960 For all of that

00:32:29.780 And the prime minister

00:32:31.180 He may be doing something

00:32:33.540 I just don't know

00:32:34.980 What it is

00:32:35.620 Yeah and that's a problem

00:32:36.700 And businesses Chris

00:32:37.780 The small ones especially

00:32:39.240 They need stability

00:32:40.320 Or even just some kind

00:32:41.480 Of measured expectation

00:32:42.780 What would you be advising

00:32:44.240 That you know

00:32:45.500 Those in charge

00:32:46.480 That they could do

00:32:47.500 Right now to signal

00:32:48.460 We get it

00:32:49.140 We don't have time

00:32:49.920 To wait for a trade deal

00:32:50.860 Here's what we're going

00:32:51.600 To do now

00:32:52.180 Because they can't

00:32:52.680 Keep throwing money

00:32:53.400 At people

00:32:54.160 It's just not

00:32:54.660 The solution

00:32:55.460 The challenge Alex

00:32:58.240 Is there's not

00:32:59.120 Many other solutions

00:33:00.820 I mean I think you saw

00:33:02.240 You could lower taxes

00:33:03.480 Corporate taxes

00:33:05.180 You could lower taxes

00:33:06.460 But you know

00:33:07.060 Where's the revenue

00:33:09.520 Come from for all

00:33:10.320 Of our services

00:33:10.980 Right like you'd

00:33:11.680 Have to really buy

00:33:12.440 Into like I believe

00:33:13.260 That's a great idea

00:33:15.460 Yes I agree both of them

00:33:16.900 But I think you know

00:33:18.300 It's we saw the premier

00:33:22.540 You know deal out

00:33:23.620 I think it was 70 million

00:33:24.640 To the steel industry

00:33:25.480 In Hamilton to try to

00:33:26.540 You know provide them

00:33:27.800 Some support

00:33:28.440 It's it's very difficult

00:33:30.080 Like you know

00:33:30.640 It really comes down to

00:33:32.060 Do you believe

00:33:33.040 That it's better off

00:33:33.920 That we just stop

00:33:34.800 Spending government money

00:33:35.760 And lower taxes

00:33:36.680 Or do you think

00:33:38.000 You know a Keynesian

00:33:38.900 Let's dump money

00:33:40.140 Into the economy

00:33:42.000 And run debt

00:33:43.440 Deficits

00:33:44.420 Is the approach

00:33:45.660 We need to take

00:33:46.480 The latter's

00:33:47.520 Been basically

00:33:48.380 All this country's

00:33:49.280 Done for the last

00:33:50.240 Heck it feels like

00:33:51.620 20 years

00:33:52.340 Of economic crises

00:33:54.180 That we've

00:33:54.940 That we've dealt with

00:33:55.800 So it's hard to believe

00:33:56.980 We're going to do

00:33:57.660 Anything different than that

00:33:58.740 But it's a challenge

00:34:01.140 Like we

00:34:01.840 Nobody was prepared

00:34:03.480 For a world

00:34:04.180 Where the

00:34:05.180 U.S. government

00:34:06.580 Would target

00:34:07.240 Canadian companies

00:34:08.200 And it seems like

00:34:09.320 At times

00:34:09.700 You know that

00:34:10.120 The latest news

00:34:10.980 About that it's

00:34:11.820 Not just going to be

00:34:12.380 For example

00:34:12.780 In the steel industry

00:34:13.480 Not just a tariff

00:34:15.120 On Canadian steel

00:34:16.080 But any product

00:34:17.540 That uses Canadian steel

00:34:19.040 So if you were

00:34:19.680 A tractor manufacturer

00:34:20.920 And used Canadian steel

00:34:23.040 To build your tractor

00:34:23.900 Well your tractor

00:34:24.600 Is now going to be tariffed

00:34:25.720 For having Canadian steel

00:34:26.920 As part of it

00:34:27.440 Like it is

00:34:27.940 These tariffs

00:34:28.860 Are decimating

00:34:30.040 Canadian businesses

00:34:31.320 And they will continue

00:34:32.260 To decimate Canadian businesses

00:34:33.900 I think it's

00:34:34.520 You know

00:34:34.980 Down the road

00:34:35.660 A real threat

00:34:36.500 To the United States

00:34:37.520 Because I think

00:34:38.060 We are going to find ways

00:34:39.680 To find other trade partners

00:34:40.900 But a lot of countries

00:34:42.060 Are just going to say

00:34:42.760 You know

00:34:43.300 Screw it

00:34:43.720 We don't want to deal

00:34:44.280 With the Americans anymore

00:34:45.220 Yeah and again

00:34:46.260 The Americans can

00:34:47.220 You know

00:34:48.120 Take these hits

00:34:49.000 More so

00:34:49.940 Than we can

00:34:51.080 So we don't have time

00:34:52.360 On our side

00:34:52.960 Let me pause it there guys

00:34:54.660 And when we pick up

00:34:55.760 The conversation

00:34:56.640 We'll talk about

00:34:57.820 This polling

00:34:58.720 Which kind of

00:34:59.800 Chuckle about

00:35:00.620 About what people

00:35:01.720 Feel about

00:35:02.380 Pierre Poliev

00:35:03.060 And why they're ashamed

00:35:05.120 To call him

00:35:05.660 Prime Minister

00:35:06.200 And we'll also talk

00:35:07.360 A little bit about

00:35:08.140 Comments that

00:35:09.380 Marco Rubio said

00:35:11.020 When it comes to

00:35:12.100 Trucking

00:35:12.520 And what would happen

00:35:13.140 If they were said here

00:35:13.900 We'll talk about that next

00:35:15.180 On the Ben Mulroney Show

00:35:16.340 Do you want the family man

00:35:19.060 Or do you want the

00:35:19.620 Swinging man

00:35:20.360 You choose

00:35:21.500 Family man

00:35:24.440 You get the family man

00:35:25.800 Family man

00:35:28.280 Family man

00:35:29.960 Family man

00:35:32.100 With your glances my way

00:35:34.020 Taking no chances

00:35:35.300 On the new day

00:35:36.120 Family man

00:35:37.440 Family man

00:35:38.800 With your life all planned

00:35:40.420 Your little sandcastle built

00:35:42.360 Smiling through your guilt

00:35:44.300 Family man

00:35:45.300 Family man

00:35:46.180 Here I come

00:35:49.020 Here I come

00:35:51.120 Family man

00:35:52.640 I come to infect

00:35:54.960 I come to rape

00:35:56.800 Your woman

00:35:57.680 I come to take

00:35:59.380 Your children

00:35:59.980 Into the street

00:36:00.980 I come for you

00:36:03.240 Family man

00:36:04.940 Family man

00:36:06.660 With your Christmas lights

00:36:08.180 Already up

00:36:09.060 You're such a man

00:36:10.360 When you're putting up

00:36:11.080 Your Christmas lights

00:36:12.100 First on the block

00:36:13.700 Family man

00:36:15.700 Family man

00:36:17.420 I want to crucify you

00:36:19.440 On your front door

00:36:20.620 With nails from your

00:36:22.020 Well-stocked garage

00:36:23.360 Family man

00:36:24.760 Family man

00:36:26.540 Family man

00:36:28.300 Saint dad

00:36:29.720 Father on fire

00:36:31.340 I've come to incinerate you

00:36:33.680 I've come home

00:36:35.140 This is the Ben Mulrooney Show

00:36:52.460 It sure is

00:36:54.120 And I am Alex Pearson

00:36:55.040 In for Mr. Ben Mulrooney

00:36:56.320 He will be back with us

00:36:57.580 On Monday

00:36:58.320 We've got Warren Kinsella

00:36:59.520 As well as Chris Chapin

00:37:00.800 Joining us to

00:37:01.620 Kick around some of the

00:37:03.060 Big headlines of the week

00:37:04.240 And I always kind of find this

00:37:05.440 I find this polling in particular

00:37:07.220 A little bit strange

00:37:08.160 Just given

00:37:08.940 You know

00:37:10.420 Pierre Polyev

00:37:11.780 Lost the election

00:37:12.600 Only a few short months ago

00:37:13.760 And I think we can probably

00:37:15.100 Focus on other polling questions

00:37:17.080 Having said that

00:37:18.160 According to new polling

00:37:19.520 By Angus Reid

00:37:20.560 Institute

00:37:21.260 73% of Canadians

00:37:23.000 View Polyev

00:37:23.660 As a strong critic

00:37:24.880 Of the government

00:37:25.500 In his official role

00:37:27.400 As opposition leader

00:37:28.460 But half

00:37:29.140 Say that they would be

00:37:30.660 Ashamed to call him

00:37:31.680 The prime minister

00:37:32.600 Whereas 52%

00:37:34.080 Say that they find him

00:37:35.800 Insincere

00:37:37.400 Chris

00:37:37.880 I mean

00:37:39.180 I find that

00:37:40.120 Well

00:37:40.300 What politician

00:37:41.260 Isn't seen as insincere

00:37:43.080 But again

00:37:43.960 I find the focus

00:37:44.900 Of this given

00:37:45.740 You know

00:37:46.300 Carney's probably

00:37:46.780 Going to be in there

00:37:47.420 For a while

00:37:48.040 Is this really

00:37:48.820 The polling question

00:37:49.900 I mean

00:37:50.380 He is the opposition

00:37:51.320 He did lose

00:37:52.380 He's now been re-elected

00:37:53.800 But

00:37:54.060 What's the obsession

00:37:55.580 Half the country

00:37:56.820 Voted against

00:37:57.800 Polyev

00:37:58.580 Half voted for Carney

00:37:59.960 So it's the same half

00:38:01.620 That didn't like him

00:38:02.700 To begin with

00:38:03.580 Well Alex

00:38:05.180 You know this

00:38:05.900 Probably as well

00:38:06.460 As anybody

00:38:06.860 I mean

00:38:07.380 A lot of polls

00:38:08.320 Are done to drive

00:38:09.660 Media attention

00:38:10.360 Right

00:38:10.800 And this one

00:38:11.840 You know

00:38:12.400 I don't

00:38:13.540 There's no point to this

00:38:14.600 I mean

00:38:14.900 He's the official

00:38:15.640 Opposition leader

00:38:16.500 I think there's

00:38:17.240 Certainly some

00:38:17.780 That would like

00:38:18.160 To drive a wedge

00:38:19.220 Between him

00:38:19.800 And his membership base

00:38:20.740 He does have a

00:38:21.280 Leadership review

00:38:21.880 Coming up

00:38:22.500 You know

00:38:23.820 I'm not surprised

00:38:25.420 You know

00:38:26.460 I'm oddly not surprised

00:38:27.520 That that's the number

00:38:28.380 I think you know

00:38:29.240 We're getting so divisive

00:38:30.260 In this country

00:38:30.860 Along partisan lines

00:38:32.560 That if half the country

00:38:34.100 Dislikes you

00:38:34.800 Then maybe

00:38:35.120 You know that much

00:38:36.100 Then maybe half the country

00:38:36.960 Does like you

00:38:37.580 And you can

00:38:38.140 You know

00:38:38.420 As we've seen

00:38:39.100 You can come close

00:38:39.720 To winning an election

00:38:40.340 Like that

00:38:40.860 So I think

00:38:42.260 It's just a sign

00:38:43.000 Of the times

00:38:43.600 And I think

00:38:44.460 It's a

00:38:44.860 I think it was

00:38:45.480 A polling question

00:38:46.320 Designed to do

00:38:47.200 Exactly what it did

00:38:48.100 Which was generate

00:38:48.740 A news story

00:38:49.320 Yeah and then I read

00:38:50.440 You know today

00:38:51.060 You know

00:38:51.940 Abacus is going to be

00:38:52.960 Having some data

00:38:53.720 Come out in a little bit

00:38:55.400 Warren that says

00:38:56.480 Well the conservatives

00:38:57.320 Marginally ahead of the liberals

00:38:59.040 First time since March

00:39:00.300 Right like

00:39:00.760 The polling

00:39:02.000 Can be whatever

00:39:03.460 You want it to be

00:39:04.200 I guess

00:39:04.700 You say what

00:39:05.500 I think

00:39:08.280 Well I mean

00:39:08.720 It's a media poll

00:39:09.540 So media polls

00:39:10.500 Are worth what you pay

00:39:11.720 For them

00:39:12.260 Which is nothing

00:39:13.600 However

00:39:14.760 If we're being

00:39:16.680 Super duper honest

00:39:17.700 With ourselves

00:39:18.420 We have to admit

00:39:21.080 That there has been

00:39:22.240 In every poll

00:39:23.360 A shift in public opinion

00:39:25.080 Mr. Polyev

00:39:26.580 Since the month of March

00:39:27.660 And there's all kinds

00:39:29.060 Of reasons for that

00:39:29.880 We've talked about it

00:39:30.820 Over the past few months

00:39:32.000 On this panel

00:39:32.900 And it's why

00:39:34.860 You know

00:39:35.680 Guys like me

00:39:36.400 Have kind of

00:39:36.780 Reached the conclusion

00:39:37.700 That

00:39:38.220 He is going to lose

00:39:40.060 The next election

00:39:41.040 As things stand now

00:39:43.260 And things could change

00:39:44.200 Of course

00:39:44.640 They always do

00:39:45.780 But

00:39:46.620 He's a loser

00:39:47.900 You know

00:39:48.600 He blew a 30 point lead

00:39:50.320 And he lost a seat

00:39:52.020 Decisively

00:39:53.300 Against a newcomer

00:39:54.660 To politics

00:39:55.420 That he'd held

00:39:57.120 For 20 years

00:39:58.280 Like he's

00:39:59.320 Like it's

00:40:00.040 It's a tough business

00:40:01.080 It's an ugly business

00:40:02.220 It's a bloody sport

00:40:03.340 Whatever you want to call it

00:40:05.080 But he lost

00:40:06.340 And so

00:40:07.440 I don't know

00:40:08.340 Why conservatives

00:40:09.440 Think

00:40:10.380 That they are going

00:40:11.460 To get a different result

00:40:12.960 By putting the same guy

00:40:14.940 Forward next time

00:40:16.280 If I were them

00:40:17.400 I'd be looking like

00:40:18.400 You know

00:40:18.920 Make a change

00:40:20.120 And they may still

00:40:22.420 Right

00:40:22.760 It took a while

00:40:23.540 For them to reach

00:40:24.340 That conclusion

00:40:24.980 With sheer no tool

00:40:26.040 You know

00:40:27.100 I don't think

00:40:27.480 This guy is out of

00:40:28.160 The woods yet

00:40:28.820 But I

00:40:29.600 You two are hearing

00:40:30.660 The same thing

00:40:31.340 I am

00:40:31.840 From conservatives

00:40:32.680 Across the country

00:40:33.780 They're not saying

00:40:35.040 It publicly

00:40:35.680 But privately

00:40:36.960 They're saying

00:40:37.780 They think

00:40:38.420 They cannot win

00:40:39.240 With this guy

00:40:39.960 And this kind of

00:40:41.080 Poll tells you why

00:40:42.080 Yeah I'm not so sure

00:40:43.520 I mean

00:40:43.880 I don't know

00:40:44.680 If I agree with that

00:40:45.760 Chris

00:40:46.080 I mean look

00:40:46.760 I think it's way too early

00:40:48.300 At this point

00:40:49.060 To say what could

00:40:50.060 And could not happen

00:40:51.220 But there's clearly

00:40:52.440 A lot of players

00:40:53.640 That would like to have

00:40:55.240 A chance at

00:40:56.180 You know

00:40:56.620 A new leadership

00:40:57.380 Or whatever

00:40:58.020 Because there's a lot

00:40:58.820 Of business

00:40:59.260 In politics

00:41:00.180 I mean there's money

00:41:01.080 To be made right

00:41:01.840 So there's a lot

00:41:02.440 Of interests

00:41:03.140 That will fight

00:41:04.020 Against each other

00:41:04.800 Internally

00:41:05.480 And this is the

00:41:06.680 Narrative born

00:41:07.360 I don't know

00:41:09.080 If there's a lot

00:41:09.640 Of players

00:41:10.080 After three leaderships

00:41:11.340 In I think the last

00:41:12.040 Like five years

00:41:12.780 We're running out of people

00:41:13.800 Who I think

00:41:14.760 Incredibly put their name

00:41:15.900 Forward

00:41:16.280 I think

00:41:17.640 You know

00:41:18.620 It's

00:41:19.800 I don't think

00:41:21.900 Pierre's at risk

00:41:22.840 Of losing the leadership

00:41:23.820 Because you know

00:41:25.020 As the one

00:41:26.480 Who is the member

00:41:27.340 Of the Conservative Party

00:41:28.400 Of Canada

00:41:28.780 It's a very bizarre party

00:41:30.240 Where our membership

00:41:32.880 Is a very bizarre membership

00:41:34.320 And as long as it stays

00:41:35.360 That way

00:41:35.840 I think

00:41:36.840 I think Paulie

00:41:38.000 Is pretty safe

00:41:38.760 With the

00:41:39.120 You know

00:41:39.340 What we'll call

00:41:39.860 The you know

00:41:40.740 Tried and true base

00:41:41.860 Across the country

00:41:43.180 Whether he can win

00:41:45.200 The next election

00:41:45.960 You know

00:41:46.700 There's so much time

00:41:47.900 Between I think

00:41:48.760 When that will be

00:41:49.540 And now

00:41:50.040 That there's so many

00:41:51.600 Factors at play

00:41:52.380 I think there's

00:41:52.940 Certainly lessons learned

00:41:54.380 For the leader himself

00:41:57.060 I think there needs

00:41:57.980 To be lessons learned

00:41:58.720 For the campaign team

00:42:00.200 In terms of

00:42:00.880 You know

00:42:01.460 Where things went

00:42:02.780 And how things shaped up

00:42:04.160 How he lost his own seat

00:42:05.960 And what you know

00:42:08.480 What policies

00:42:09.680 That they might have been selling

00:42:11.260 Might have contributed

00:42:11.940 To putting seats

00:42:12.680 Like Carlton at risk

00:42:13.620 For the first time

00:42:14.280 In 20 years

00:42:14.880 So I think

00:42:16.260 There's lessons learned

00:42:17.160 But I still believe

00:42:18.740 You know

00:42:19.280 Whether it's the right decision

00:42:20.840 Or not

00:42:21.240 I think it's the right decision

00:42:22.500 But he's

00:42:24.360 I think he's safe

00:42:25.100 For the foreseeable future

00:42:26.320 Let's dive into something

00:42:27.880 That certainly

00:42:28.660 We have been talking about

00:42:30.040 On 640 Toronto

00:42:30.920 Greg Brady

00:42:31.500 Having a guest on

00:42:33.300 From the

00:42:34.460 Ontario Trucking Association

00:42:36.080 Stephen Laskowski

00:42:37.320 Who I think

00:42:38.420 Breaks news

00:42:39.180 That wouldn't surprise

00:42:40.340 A lot of us

00:42:41.020 But certainly

00:42:41.580 Is galling

00:42:42.420 You know

00:42:43.180 That one of every

00:42:44.060 Two truck drivers

00:42:44.980 Out there

00:42:45.700 Should not be

00:42:47.240 Take a listen

00:42:47.880 Be very afraid

00:42:49.400 When you pass a truck

00:42:50.780 Because I guarantee you

00:42:52.560 One out of two

00:42:53.380 Shouldn't be on the road

00:42:54.800 And that's coming

00:42:56.280 From a person

00:42:57.100 Multi-generational family

00:42:58.780 Proud trucker

00:43:00.100 The reason

00:43:01.700 We're having this discussion

00:43:02.500 Is because

00:43:03.160 It was a

00:43:03.640 Pretty bad accident

00:43:04.620 Killing three

00:43:05.480 In the United States

00:43:06.600 When a truck driver

00:43:07.660 Did a U-turn

00:43:08.700 And claims

00:43:10.120 He doesn't

00:43:11.220 Understand English

00:43:11.920 And couldn't

00:43:12.300 Read the road signs

00:43:13.200 Which prompted

00:43:14.240 U.S. Secretary of State

00:43:15.660 Marco Rubio

00:43:16.620 To come out

00:43:17.080 With a tweet

00:43:17.600 Saying

00:43:17.920 Effective immediately

00:43:19.260 We're pausing

00:43:19.900 All issuance

00:43:20.840 Of worker visas

00:43:21.680 For commercial

00:43:22.840 Truck drivers

00:43:23.540 The increasing number

00:43:24.880 Of foreign drivers

00:43:25.660 Operating large

00:43:26.620 Tractor trailer

00:43:27.380 Trucks on

00:43:27.920 U.S. roads

00:43:28.740 Is endangering

00:43:29.380 American lives

00:43:30.080 And undercutting

00:43:31.100 The livelihood

00:43:31.700 Of American truckers

00:43:33.140 You know Warren

00:43:33.880 We have a ton

00:43:34.660 Of drivers

00:43:36.220 On the road

00:43:36.620 We've had a lot

00:43:37.360 Of conversations

00:43:38.060 About this industry

00:43:39.120 We know that

00:43:39.880 There are very big

00:43:40.760 Issues on it

00:43:41.800 But I mean

00:43:42.260 If we did that here

00:43:43.400 We would not

00:43:44.060 Have an industry

00:43:44.740 I don't know

00:43:47.040 I mean

00:43:47.580 All I can tell you

00:43:48.540 Is right now

00:43:49.200 I practice

00:43:50.440 What I preach

00:43:51.460 Like I'm

00:43:52.120 I'm on Highway 2

00:43:53.340 Now heading back

00:43:54.280 To Prince Edward County

00:43:55.280 Where I live

00:43:55.820 I never take

00:43:56.860 The 401

00:43:57.320 And the big reason

00:43:59.260 For you know

00:43:59.700 It's nicer scenery

00:44:00.600 When I take Highway 2

00:44:01.900 I can go

00:44:02.780 Just about as fast

00:44:03.760 As I can

00:44:04.180 On the 401

00:44:04.640 But it's the trucks

00:44:06.160 And you know

00:44:07.780 The trucks

00:44:08.420 I don't know

00:44:09.940 If it's gotten worse

00:44:10.820 Or I've gotten

00:44:11.480 More sensitive

00:44:12.180 In my old age

00:44:13.320 And it really

00:44:14.600 Doesn't feel safe

00:44:15.980 And I don't know

00:44:17.780 If people are being

00:44:18.480 Put on the road

00:44:19.240 Too soon

00:44:19.800 I'm not checking

00:44:20.460 Somebody's skin color

00:44:21.620 To you know

00:44:22.640 When they're coming

00:44:23.920 After me

00:44:24.500 On the 401

00:44:25.120 In dead of winter

00:44:26.640 In February

00:44:27.440 It's just

00:44:28.420 I made a decision

00:44:29.980 You know

00:44:30.440 I voted with my feet

00:44:31.440 And I got off

00:44:32.100 The 401

00:44:33.340 And I've stayed off it

00:44:35.220 So you know

00:44:36.580 What's Rubio's play

00:44:38.160 Well you know

00:44:38.760 It's the same thing

00:44:39.680 They're doing with ice

00:44:40.620 And all the rest of it

00:44:41.960 I think a lot of it

00:44:42.760 Smacks of racism

00:44:44.760 I know lots of drivers

00:44:46.260 Who are white

00:44:46.920 Who aren't great

00:44:47.740 Drivers either

00:44:48.840 So maybe

00:44:50.400 The focus should be

00:44:51.640 Making sure

00:44:52.420 That the driving schools

00:44:53.780 Who are regulated

00:44:55.220 At the state

00:44:55.840 And the provincial level

00:44:56.920 Are doing a good job

00:44:59.460 Because my hunch is

00:45:00.700 My feeling is

00:45:01.560 They're not

00:45:02.180 And they're just

00:45:03.380 Rushing people through

00:45:04.340 And putting them

00:45:04.980 On the road

00:45:05.600 Without the proper

00:45:07.220 Attention being

00:45:07.920 Paid to safety

00:45:08.960 So that's where

00:45:10.040 I would focus

00:45:10.660 The attention

00:45:11.240 Is making sure

00:45:12.600 People are trained

00:45:13.360 To be on the road

00:45:14.020 Whether they're driving

00:45:15.000 A car or a truck

00:45:16.260 I don't have a ton of time

00:45:17.520 Less than 50 seconds

00:45:18.920 For you Chris

00:45:19.500 On this

00:45:19.940 You say what

00:45:20.700 I think Warren nailed it

00:45:24.080 With the training side

00:45:25.180 I know that there are

00:45:26.960 Huge concerns

00:45:27.820 About the ease

00:45:29.580 In which

00:45:29.980 Truck driving licenses

00:45:31.580 Are printed

00:45:32.400 In some cities

00:45:34.320 Across the country

00:45:35.200 And we've dealt

00:45:37.880 With this the same

00:45:38.600 I remember back

00:45:39.780 There was no question

00:45:41.580 The racism

00:45:42.680 The underlying frustration

00:45:44.800 When you think back

00:45:45.480 To the accident

00:45:45.980 In Humboldt

00:45:46.520 Years ago

00:45:47.100 With a truck driver

00:45:49.340 That caused that accident

00:45:50.320 And we saw it explode

00:45:51.760 Across the country

00:45:52.680 Here in Canada

00:45:54.060 So I don't think

00:45:54.980 We're immune

00:45:55.440 To that same kind

00:45:56.340 Of emotional response

00:45:57.780 When a tragedy happens

00:45:59.100 But I think

00:45:59.760 There's no question

00:46:00.540 The quality of truck drivers

00:46:02.060 You know

00:46:02.420 Even the clip you played

00:46:04.100 It seems less and less safe

00:46:06.480 And if that's

00:46:07.180 The trucking association

00:46:08.140 Saying one and two

00:46:09.120 Shouldn't be on the road

00:46:09.940 Then that's a pretty

00:46:10.500 Scary comment

00:46:11.220 It is

00:46:11.900 And I'm out of time

00:46:13.280 On that note

00:46:14.340 Guys thank you very much

00:46:15.580 For yours

00:46:16.140 Chris Chapin

00:46:17.380 And Warren Kinsella

00:46:18.100 Joining us here

00:46:18.920 Ladies and gentlemen

00:46:30.360 From San Francisco

00:46:32.460 California

00:46:33.340 The baddest man

00:46:35.040 In the land

00:46:35.700 Spiritual Cramp

00:46:37.500 Look

00:46:40.900 You wouldn't know

00:46:42.340 Anything about this

00:46:43.300 But trust me

00:46:44.300 You're gonna love it

00:46:46.280 There's no helicopters here

00:46:50.600 Just keep trying to taste cold beer

00:47:06.400 Where every day's the same

00:47:08.740 No work is fun

00:47:10.400 Just another world

00:47:14.580 To produce good night

00:47:16.220 Where every day is the best day of my life

00:47:21.960 All right

00:47:23.280 There's no way that needs inside

00:47:37.220 Live music and friends are mine

00:47:40.340 And everything works out just like you are

00:47:44.300 I don't know

00:47:45.100 I don't know

00:47:46.800 Expensive clothes

00:47:48.540 Explosive fights

00:47:51.540 There's no better place

00:47:53.240 Everything will be just fine

00:47:55.840 Just another warm

00:47:59.780 Save it to screw

00:48:00.820 Not

00:48:01.460 Where every day is the best day of my life

00:48:07.180 White shoes, blue jeans

00:48:14.240 Short hair, I'm kind of mean

00:48:18.560 And fighting side, matching the way

00:48:24.780 To the day light, a San Francisco night

00:48:29.640 Ladies and gentlemen, all the way from the city where the sun never shines

00:48:36.360 10 feet tall, 500 pounds

00:48:39.720 Mr. Nathan Nightmare!

00:48:53.380 There's no time to stop and think

00:48:56.340 Just running around the city

00:48:59.260 Where everyone you know has got your back

00:49:03.480 Expenses, clothes, explosive farts

00:49:09.220 There's no better place, everything will be just fine

00:49:14.960 Just another one, say we're just gonna avoid

00:49:21.960 Where every day is the best day of my life

00:49:26.160 I told you you were gonna love it

00:49:31.900 United States reaffirmed a core commitment to our free trade agreement, CUSMA

00:49:41.580 By reinforcing that those Canadian exports to the United States that are compliant with that agreement

00:49:48.260 That are compliant with CUSMA

00:49:49.620 Will not be subject to U.S.

00:49:53.720 IEVA

00:49:54.200 Tariffs

00:49:55.280 You're listening to The Alex Pearson Show

00:49:57.680 Welcome back, that was

00:49:59.980 Prime Minister Mark Carney from just

00:50:02.300 A few minutes ago

00:50:03.860 Talking about tariffs

00:50:05.600 And Canada's response

00:50:07.980 To

00:50:08.960 Months and months of tariff warfare

00:50:12.520 I'm gonna bring in Warren Kinsella

00:50:14.400 Columnist, political consultant

00:50:15.760 And frequent contributor here on

00:50:18.060 On 640

00:50:18.840 To talk about what we just heard

00:50:20.780 Warren, thanks for joining

00:50:21.860 Thanks for having me

00:50:23.700 So

00:50:24.320 What you just heard

00:50:25.780 Is that what you expected to hear?

00:50:29.480 What I heard

00:50:30.760 Wasn't a prime minister

00:50:32.220 What I heard

00:50:33.220 Was a junior accountant

00:50:35.020 Called in to explain

00:50:36.760 A screw up to his boss

00:50:38.800 You know, it took him a good 15 minutes

00:50:42.020 To get to the

00:50:43.340 The nub of it

00:50:44.580 Which is, he blinked

00:50:46.720 You know

00:50:47.100 His strategy

00:50:48.580 Of counter tariffs

00:50:50.660 Against the United States

00:50:52.180 Against the Trump tariffs

00:50:53.980 It didn't work

00:50:56.340 And he blinked

00:50:57.760 And he's now

00:50:58.980 Removed tariffs

00:51:00.840 Retaliatory tariffs

00:51:02.380 On a range of products

00:51:04.060 It's still there

00:51:04.960 On steel and aluminum and auto

00:51:07.020 But that's about it

00:51:07.940 From what I can see

00:51:09.020 And

00:51:10.200 You know

00:51:11.860 Like I say

00:51:13.020 Like the cliche goes

00:51:14.180 When you're explaining

00:51:15.440 You're losing

00:51:16.120 You know

00:51:16.580 It was just sitting there

00:51:17.460 Listening to the prime minister

00:51:18.380 Of Canada

00:51:18.960 Talking fractions

00:51:20.580 Of decimal points

00:51:21.820 That's not how a prime minister

00:51:23.640 And I work for a prime minister

00:51:24.960 Is supposed to communicate

00:51:26.660 You know

00:51:27.640 A prime minister is supposed

00:51:28.820 To defend the country

00:51:30.640 And advance our national interest

00:51:32.660 And there

00:51:34.480 I just

00:51:35.200 I heard

00:51:35.800 Bernie

00:51:36.520 Sounding like

00:51:37.080 He was making excuses

00:51:38.300 Yeah

00:51:39.160 If we could go back

00:51:40.180 He did

00:51:41.140 For the first

00:51:42.180 The first 10 minutes

00:51:43.900 Of that press conference

00:51:44.920 I was wondering

00:51:46.180 When he was going

00:51:47.000 To get to the point

00:51:47.700 Because he was

00:51:48.480 Kept on

00:51:49.600 He was setting it up

00:51:50.840 As in

00:51:51.340 We have a great deal

00:51:53.000 With the United States

00:51:53.760 He was explaining

00:51:55.000 Well

00:51:55.380 The rest of the world's tariffs

00:51:56.880 Have gone from 2%

00:51:58.060 To 16%

00:51:59.120 Over the last year

00:52:00.520 But under the new U.S. approach

00:52:02.640 Canada's

00:52:04.240 Went

00:52:05.200 Or down 5.6%

00:52:07.780 But that's the lowest

00:52:09.400 Amongst all U.S. trading partners

00:52:11.220 As if

00:52:11.640 That's an extremely good thing

00:52:13.600 And then he's dropping

00:52:14.920 All of these counter tariffs

00:52:16.260 All of the counter tariffs

00:52:18.820 That he's dropping

00:52:19.380 And

00:52:20.240 And

00:52:21.700 And

00:52:22.000 And

00:52:22.620 We're set

00:52:23.280 And we're

00:52:23.620 Basically he's just saying

00:52:24.920 Okay

00:52:25.220 We're going to accept the fact

00:52:27.000 That we are having tariffs

00:52:28.400 This 5.6%

00:52:29.480 And all Canadian goods overall

00:52:30.800 But it's

00:52:32.040 Specifically on

00:52:33.500 Steel, aluminum

00:52:34.340 And auto tariffs

00:52:35.180 So those industries

00:52:36.500 Are going to

00:52:37.500 Have to deal with it

00:52:38.740 Correct?

00:52:40.240 Yeah

00:52:40.420 They are

00:52:41.140 And you know

00:52:41.980 This is the prime minister

00:52:43.220 During the election campaign

00:52:44.780 These are his exact words

00:52:47.020 Maximum pain

00:52:48.280 He was going to

00:52:50.240 If he got elected

00:52:51.100 Inflict

00:52:52.300 Maximum

00:52:53.220 And

00:52:54.220 We're going to actually

00:52:56.360 He's not getting anything

00:52:57.880 And

00:52:58.580 And

00:52:59.200 We're going to

00:53:00.000 Go to break right now

00:53:01.080 The actual

00:53:03.560 U.S. tariff rate

00:53:04.640 On Canadian goods

00:53:05.760 Is 5.6%

00:53:08.200 Compare that

00:53:09.740 To the 16%

00:53:10.940 Global average

00:53:11.700 That remains

00:53:12.840 The lowest

00:53:13.580 The lowest

00:53:14.860 Amongst all

00:53:15.660 Of the United States

00:53:16.400 Trading Partners

00:53:16.980 And more than

00:53:18.020 85%

00:53:18.980 Of Canada

00:53:19.880 U.S.

00:53:20.680 Trade

00:53:20.980 Is now

00:53:21.860 Tariff free

00:53:23.200 You're listening

00:53:24.000 To the Alex Pearson Show

00:53:25.420 All right

00:53:26.460 That was Mark Carney

00:53:27.340 We're joined

00:53:27.800 To rejoin now

00:53:28.420 By Warren Kinsella

00:53:29.320 Warren

00:53:29.580 You hear him say that

00:53:30.660 Say you know

00:53:31.480 The 5.6%

00:53:32.560 Should Canadians

00:53:33.460 Take solace in that

00:53:34.620 That we still

00:53:35.900 These tariffs

00:53:37.000 Are here now

00:53:37.720 And we just

00:53:38.500 Have to accept them

00:53:39.260 He said he was

00:53:40.540 Going to retaliate

00:53:41.520 And he didn't

00:53:42.880 And you know

00:53:44.440 And the same thing

00:53:45.620 With respect to

00:53:46.380 The so-called

00:53:46.920 Fentanyl tariffs

00:53:47.960 When they went

00:53:48.940 To 35%

00:53:49.900 From 25%

00:53:51.060 In

00:53:51.460 Earlier this month

00:53:52.900 No response

00:53:54.220 And now we've

00:53:54.920 Got him blinking

00:53:55.880 We've got him

00:53:56.840 Backing off

00:53:57.740 And like

00:53:58.720 You know

00:53:59.340 He should get

00:54:00.200 Used to being

00:54:00.940 Ribbed for the

00:54:01.840 Elbows up

00:54:02.520 Elbows down

00:54:03.300 Stuff

00:54:03.700 For the

00:54:04.680 Proceivable future

00:54:05.520 Because it

00:54:06.100 Very much

00:54:06.660 Looks like

00:54:07.340 You know

00:54:08.280 Even to

00:54:08.860 His supporters

00:54:09.700 That the

00:54:10.740 Prime Minister

00:54:11.320 Has put his

00:54:12.280 Elbows down

00:54:13.140 And that

00:54:14.140 You know

00:54:14.660 His gambit

00:54:16.040 His approach

00:54:16.740 His strategy

00:54:17.560 With Donald Trump

00:54:18.740 Has not worked

00:54:19.740 But he was

00:54:20.320 Elected on the

00:54:21.200 Whole elbows up

00:54:22.120 That was the

00:54:23.260 That was the

00:54:24.440 The one and only

00:54:25.380 Thing really

00:54:25.920 Hey nope

00:54:26.300 Hey

00:54:26.540 I'm the guy

00:54:27.460 To negotiate

00:54:28.100 Yeah and I

00:54:30.280 You know

00:54:30.520 I listened to him

00:54:31.320 Carefully as

00:54:31.920 Did we all

00:54:32.980 And he

00:54:33.960 He sounded like

00:54:34.760 He was trying

00:54:35.220 To convince

00:54:35.740 Himself

00:54:36.220 Because he

00:54:36.920 Certainly wasn't

00:54:37.580 Convincing anybody

00:54:38.380 Else

00:54:38.840 And it took him

00:54:40.080 A long time

00:54:40.700 To get to the

00:54:41.320 Main point

00:54:41.900 As you pointed

00:54:42.520 Out

00:54:42.880 Which is

00:54:43.980 He was

00:54:44.940 Folding

00:54:45.420 Like a cheap

00:54:46.080 Suit

00:54:46.360 He was backing

00:54:47.060 Off

00:54:47.480 He was

00:54:48.180 Not inflicting

00:54:48.920 Maximum

00:54:49.560 Pain on the

00:54:50.060 United States

00:54:50.580 As he promised

00:54:51.300 It was not

00:54:52.440 A fundamental

00:54:53.020 Change in our

00:54:54.200 Trading and

00:54:55.220 Economic relationship

00:54:56.360 With the

00:54:57.100 United States

00:54:57.640 Like he said

00:54:58.140 Back in March

00:54:58.860 It was

00:54:59.900 Backing off

00:55:01.000 And he was

00:55:02.540 You know

00:55:02.940 Like I say

00:55:03.720 When you're

00:55:04.140 Explaining

00:55:04.660 You're losing

00:55:05.500 And he

00:55:06.140 That's what

00:55:06.740 He was doing

00:55:07.260 He sounded

00:55:07.720 Like he had

00:55:08.240 Lost

00:55:08.560 He knew

00:55:09.280 It

00:55:09.920 And he was

00:55:10.460 Trying to

00:55:10.860 Convince us

00:55:11.380 Otherwise

00:55:11.800 So over the

00:55:12.460 Last month

00:55:12.960 We've had

00:55:13.560 Seen concessions

00:55:14.440 With the

00:55:14.840 Digital tax

00:55:15.540 Didn't get

00:55:15.940 Anything for

00:55:16.320 That

00:55:16.560 Today

00:55:17.280 Taking off

00:55:17.940 All the

00:55:18.200 Retaliatory

00:55:18.900 Taxes

00:55:19.440 And it

00:55:20.100 Seems the

00:55:20.380 Only thing

00:55:20.640 We get

00:55:20.900 In response

00:55:21.420 Is oh

00:55:22.180 Just all

00:55:22.640 The tariffs

00:55:23.180 That you

00:55:23.620 Previously

00:55:24.140 Put on

00:55:24.680 We're

00:55:25.340 Just going

00:55:25.800 To have

00:55:26.740 To accept

00:55:27.620 He was

00:55:28.380 Asked

00:55:28.780 Straight out

00:55:29.420 A number

00:55:30.200 Of different

00:55:30.420 Times

00:55:30.660 What are

00:55:31.380 We

00:55:31.600 Gaining

00:55:32.060 And he

00:55:32.820 Said well

00:55:33.280 We have

00:55:33.740 The best

00:55:34.180 Deal

00:55:34.540 And

00:55:35.960 Yeah

00:55:36.620 You're

00:55:36.880 Right

00:55:37.160 It seems

00:55:38.060 Like he's

00:55:38.480 Trying to

00:55:38.840 Convince

00:55:39.160 Himself

00:55:39.520 You think

00:55:40.280 He

00:55:40.440 This is a

00:55:41.280 Man who

00:55:41.640 Does have

00:55:42.100 A lot

00:55:42.400 Of

00:55:42.500 Experience

00:55:42.840 In

00:55:43.000 Economics

00:55:43.400 Obviously

00:55:43.880 He doesn't

00:55:44.840 Believe that

00:55:45.380 He can't

00:55:45.920 Believe that

00:55:46.340 Right

00:55:46.600 No he

00:55:48.220 Can't

00:55:48.660 And he

00:55:48.940 That was

00:55:49.640 The problem

00:55:50.060 He sounded

00:55:50.500 Like an

00:55:50.900 Economist

00:55:51.520 He didn't

00:55:51.940 Sound like

00:55:52.380 A prime

00:55:52.720 Minister

00:55:53.140 And he's

00:55:54.920 You know

00:55:55.300 He's

00:55:55.580 Backed off

00:55:56.180 He's blinked

00:55:56.820 He's folded

00:55:57.380 You know

00:55:57.740 Whatever

00:55:58.060 Cliche you

00:55:58.780 Want to

00:55:59.060 Use

00:55:59.520 That is

00:56:00.440 What has

00:56:00.840 Happened

00:56:01.340 Here

00:56:01.680 And

00:56:02.420 And I

00:56:02.840 Think

00:56:03.140 It is

00:56:03.760 Going to

00:56:04.140 Cause

00:56:04.520 A lot

00:56:04.800 Of

00:56:04.920 Disappointment

00:56:05.600 Among

00:56:05.900 A lot

00:56:06.220 Of

00:56:06.360 Canadians

00:56:06.840 Because

00:56:07.640 It wasn't

00:56:08.240 What they

00:56:08.560 Were

00:56:08.720 Promised

00:56:09.260 During

00:56:09.560 The

00:56:09.700 Election

00:56:10.000 Campaign

00:56:10.540 And you

00:56:11.200 Know

00:56:11.300 In terms

00:56:11.680 Of the

00:56:11.920 Communications

00:56:12.600 Of it

00:56:13.200 You know

00:56:13.800 Our

00:56:14.020 Expectation

00:56:14.940 As voters

00:56:15.920 As citizens

00:56:16.740 As people

00:56:17.400 Is that

00:56:17.960 You know

00:56:18.520 Our prime

00:56:18.920 Minister

00:56:19.160 Is going

00:56:19.420 To talk

00:56:19.760 Like a

00:56:20.180 Prime

00:56:20.440 Minister

00:56:20.840 And not

00:56:21.480 Like a

00:56:21.800 Junior

00:56:22.040 Accountant

00:56:22.700 And that's

00:56:23.400 What he

00:56:23.640 Sounded

00:56:24.040 Like to

00:56:24.440 Me

00:56:24.660 He

00:56:24.880 Sounded

00:56:25.180 Like he

00:56:25.540 Was

00:56:25.860 Trying

00:56:26.500 To make

00:56:26.960 Excuses

00:56:27.840 For what

00:56:28.600 Has

00:56:29.340 Happened

00:56:29.740 Here

00:56:29.980 And what

00:56:30.280 Has

00:56:30.420 Happened

00:56:30.820 Here

00:56:31.120 Is a

00:56:32.060 Failure

00:56:32.440 It's

00:56:32.900 A loss

00:56:33.740 I'm

00:56:34.220 Very

00:56:34.440 Curious

00:56:34.800 As to

00:56:35.040 What

00:56:35.240 Ontario

00:56:35.760 Premier

00:56:38.720 He said

00:56:39.460 That we

00:56:39.740 Are ready

00:56:40.100 For an

00:56:40.500 Economic

00:56:40.840 War

00:56:41.260 Unlike

00:56:41.860 Every

00:56:42.140 Other

00:56:42.300 Country

00:56:42.660 Which

00:56:42.920 Is

00:56:43.140 As he

00:56:43.540 Said

00:56:43.860 Kisses

00:56:45.740 Donald

00:56:46.360 Trump's

00:56:46.720 Behind

00:56:47.120 We're

00:56:47.920 Not

00:56:48.080 Going

00:56:48.220 To do

00:56:48.440 That

00:56:48.720 We're

00:56:49.060 Going

00:56:49.140 To

00:56:49.240 Stand

00:56:49.580 Up

00:56:49.880 And

00:56:50.320 It

00:56:50.980 Seems

00:56:51.220 That he's

00:56:51.580 The only

00:56:51.820 One

00:56:51.960 Who's

00:56:52.100 Like

00:56:52.220 Elbows

00:56:52.540 Up

00:56:52.860 I'm

00:56:55.520 Very

00:56:56.180 Curious

00:56:56.540 As to

00:56:56.780 What

00:56:56.900 Doug

00:56:57.140 Ford's

00:56:57.480 Reaction

00:56:57.800 Is

00:56:57.920 Going

00:56:58.020 To

00:56:58.060 Be

00:56:58.260 I

00:56:59.400 Agree

00:56:59.720 And

00:57:00.000 You know

00:57:00.240 I

00:57:00.480 You know

00:57:02.440 I

00:57:02.620 Support

00:57:03.060 Ford

00:57:03.780 In

00:57:04.140 The way

00:57:04.440 That he

00:57:04.820 Has

00:57:05.000 Approached

00:57:05.460 This

00:57:05.760 File

00:57:06.180 I

00:57:06.800 Think

00:57:07.060 He's

00:57:07.400 Been

00:57:07.560 Much

00:57:07.820 More

00:57:08.040 Effective

00:57:08.560 Than

00:57:08.740 Any

00:57:08.980 Other

00:57:09.260 Leader

00:57:09.620 On

00:57:09.860 The

00:57:09.960 National

00:57:10.360 Stage

00:57:10.880 And

00:57:11.440 You know

00:57:11.680 If you

00:57:12.540 Think

00:57:12.800 Back

00:57:13.220 To

00:57:13.560 When

00:57:14.120 Did

00:57:14.280 The

00:57:14.420 Americans

00:57:15.060 Kind

00:57:15.720 Of

00:57:15.900 Blink

00:57:16.400 Themselves

00:57:17.060 When

00:57:17.320 Did

00:57:17.480 They

00:57:17.640 Back

00:57:18.000 Off

00:57:18.400 On

00:57:18.600 This

00:57:18.760 Damaging

00:57:19.400 Tariffs

00:57:20.280 Madness

00:57:20.780 That

00:57:21.000 They've

00:57:21.240 Got

00:57:21.560 It's

00:57:22.140 When

00:57:22.280 Doug

00:57:22.500 Ford

00:57:22.780 Said

00:57:23.180 That

00:57:23.420 He

00:57:23.600 Was

00:57:23.780 Going

00:57:23.900 To

00:57:24.000 Cut

00:57:24.180 Off

00:57:24.420 The

00:57:24.720 Electrical

00:57:25.440 Supply

00:57:26.200 To

00:57:26.800 Three

00:57:27.080 Different

00:57:27.440 Major

00:57:27.840 U.S.

00:57:28.360 States

00:57:28.760 At

00:57:29.180 That

00:57:29.380 Point

00:57:29.740 The

00:57:29.980 Americans

00:57:30.500 Flipped

00:57:31.180 And

00:57:32.160 Became

00:57:33.200 Very

00:57:33.440 Concerned

00:57:33.940 About

00:57:34.080 What

00:57:34.260 We

00:57:34.400 Were

00:57:34.480 Going

00:57:34.600 To

00:57:34.680 Do

00:57:34.980 Like

00:57:35.540 Showing

00:57:35.920 Some

00:57:36.140 Strength

00:57:36.580 Against

00:57:37.000 A

00:57:37.240 Bully

00:57:37.540 Is

00:57:38.620 Really

00:57:38.940 An

00:57:39.200 Effective

00:57:39.840 Way

00:57:40.520 Of

00:57:40.680 Doing

00:57:40.900 Things

00:57:41.300 As

00:57:41.520 Every

00:57:41.760 Parent

00:57:42.100 Knows

00:57:42.520 And

00:57:43.180 You know

00:57:43.760 Today

00:57:44.120 Sadly

00:57:44.820 Just

00:57:45.780 It's

00:57:46.340 It was

00:57:46.660 Kind of

00:57:47.000 Depressing

00:57:47.420 To

00:57:48.060 Watch

00:57:48.320 The

00:57:48.520 Prime

00:57:48.760 Minister

00:57:49.140 Back

00:57:49.560 Off

00:57:49.900 And

00:57:50.300 And

00:57:50.360 Not

00:57:50.980 Be

00:57:51.180 The

00:57:51.320 Guy

00:57:51.540 He

00:57:51.740 Said

00:57:51.960 He

00:57:52.080 Was

00:57:52.260 Going

00:57:52.420 To

00:57:52.500 Be

00:57:52.700 There

00:57:53.080 Was

00:57:53.320 A

00:57:53.440 Report

00:57:53.720 Just

00:57:53.980 A

00:57:54.120 Days

00:57:54.600 Ago

00:57:59.980 Are

00:58:00.680 At

00:58:00.840 Risk

00:58:01.080 Of

00:58:01.220 Having

00:58:01.380 To

00:58:01.540 Shut

00:58:01.800 Down

00:58:02.060 In

00:58:02.220 As

00:58:02.360 Little

00:58:02.580 As

00:58:02.780 Six

00:58:03.060 Months

00:58:03.520 Unless

00:58:03.740 The

00:58:03.960 Tariff

00:58:04.260 Situation

00:58:04.720 Is

00:58:04.920 Resolved

00:58:05.420 I

00:58:07.220 Think

00:58:07.880 That

00:58:08.320 Number

00:58:09.040 Is

00:58:09.520 Pretty

00:58:10.120 Accurate

00:58:10.520 At

00:58:10.640 This

00:58:10.800 Point

00:58:11.040 Because

00:58:11.400 It's

00:58:12.340 Not

00:58:12.500 Resolved

00:58:12.980 No

00:58:14.400 It's

00:58:14.600 Not

00:58:14.720 Resolved

00:58:15.080 It's

00:58:15.320 Going

00:58:15.440 To

00:58:15.480 Get

00:58:15.620 Worse

00:58:15.900 I

00:58:16.320 Mean

00:58:16.440 Stats

00:58:16.800 Canada

00:58:17.080 Said

00:58:17.460 That

00:58:17.720 Consumer

00:58:18.380 Prices

00:58:18.900 Have

00:58:19.660 Risen

00:58:20.020 Just

00:58:20.960 About

00:58:21.160 2%

00:58:21.760 The

00:58:22.280 Bank

00:58:22.500 Of

00:58:22.660 Canada

00:58:22.940 Is

00:58:23.160 Saying

00:58:23.340 We

00:58:23.780 We're

00:58:24.060 Okay

00:58:24.380 With

00:58:24.640 That

00:58:24.880 That's

00:58:25.200 Not

00:58:25.420 Inflationary

00:58:26.260 Yet

00:58:26.540 But

00:58:27.040 It's

00:58:27.200 Getting

00:58:27.380 Really

00:58:27.660 Close

00:58:28.040 To

00:58:28.280 It

00:58:28.520 And

00:58:29.220 You

00:58:29.580 Know

00:58:29.700 As

00:58:29.920 You

00:58:30.020 Pointed

00:58:30.400 Out

00:58:30.580 Off

00:58:30.760 The

00:58:30.900 Top

00:58:31.180 We

00:58:31.380 Are

00:58:31.540 Losing

00:58:31.880 Jobs

00:58:32.460 And

00:58:33.180 We

00:58:33.380 Are

00:58:33.620 Looking

00:58:34.420 At

00:58:34.600 Industries

00:58:35.100 Looking

00:58:35.460 At

00:58:35.660 Contraction

00:58:36.340 And

00:58:37.140 If

00:58:37.380 We're

00:58:37.720 Not

00:58:37.920 In

00:58:38.080 A

00:58:38.200 Recession

00:58:38.680 It's

00:58:39.040 Starting

00:58:39.320 To

00:58:39.540 Feel

00:58:39.760 Perilously

00:58:40.400 Like

00:58:40.820 We

00:58:41.120 Are

00:58:41.440 So

00:58:42.260 What

00:58:42.820 The

00:58:43.000 Prime

00:58:43.240 Minister

00:58:43.560 Announced

00:58:44.160 Today

00:58:44.600 I

00:58:45.160 Don't

00:58:45.300 Think

00:58:45.480 That's

00:58:45.760 Going

00:58:45.960 To

00:58:46.260 Change

00:58:46.940 That

00:58:47.360 Trajectory

00:58:48.160 Of

00:58:48.320 The

00:58:48.460 Economy

00:58:48.960 Where

00:58:49.700 Things

00:58:49.960 Are

00:58:50.120 Looking

00:58:50.420 Quite

00:58:50.960 Grim

00:58:51.600 And

00:58:51.900 Like

00:58:52.340 He

00:58:52.480 Said

00:58:53.560 We've

00:58:54.980 Got

00:58:55.240 Kuzma

00:58:55.820 And

00:58:56.520 We're

00:58:56.760 Looking

00:58:57.040 Forward

00:58:57.400 To

00:58:57.600 Renegotiation

00:58:58.600 Of

00:58:58.900 It

00:58:59.040 How

00:59:00.120 Does

00:59:00.520 A

00:59:00.820 Renegotiation

00:59:01.700 Of

00:59:01.960 Kuzma

00:59:02.320 Assist

00:59:02.780 Us

00:59:03.120 For

00:59:04.000 Example

00:59:04.460 When

00:59:04.660 The

00:59:04.860 President

00:59:05.560 Has

00:59:05.820 Said

00:59:06.000 He's

00:59:06.260 After

00:59:06.540 Supply

00:59:07.040 Management

00:59:07.540 And

00:59:08.100 A

00:59:08.220 Number

00:59:08.420 Of

00:59:08.600 Other

00:59:08.820 Sectors

00:59:09.360 As

00:59:09.640 Well

00:59:09.980 Kuzma

00:59:11.360 Seems

00:59:11.680 To

00:59:11.860 Be

00:59:19.700 How

00:59:19.800 Do

00:59:19.940 We

00:59:20.060 Benefit

00:59:20.540 From

00:59:20.820 That

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01:03:27.560 Hey, you got me, I was wrong

01:03:36.720 I was just trying to sing along

01:03:41.140 Got it wrong, can't live on

01:03:43.360 Been awake for far too long

01:03:45.600 3pm, can't get dressed

01:03:47.840 All my friends are so depressed

01:03:50.100 Hey, you knew it all along

01:03:54.820 I was ashamed and I was wrong

01:03:59.320 Hit the bomb, wrote a song

01:04:01.460 Fell asleep way too long

01:04:03.700 Wore a dress, last caress

01:04:05.920 All my friends are so depressed

kinsellacast - August 24, 2025

KINSELLACAST 375： Up at the lake with the dogs, plus Lilley, Pierson and more talking tariffs, drought and more! Plus Militarie Gun, Drug Church, Public Opinion, Joyce Manor & Spiritual Cramp

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