kinsellacast - KINSELLACAST 380： Live from B.C. with Ras Pierre Schenk, Rockin' Al Macdonald, Ben Mulroney, Chris Chapin - plus Ramones and Sex Pistols and Hot Nasties!

00:00:00.000 It's the Kinsella cast starring Warren Kinsella.

00:00:19.640 Hey, it's Warren. Welcome to the Kinsella cast from Kelowna, British Columbia. I'm out here

00:00:25.280 to see my brother and my sister-in-law and my nephew, but particularly my two oldest and

00:00:34.300 best friends, Raspier Shank and Rockin' Al McDonald. And I've got them on the show. So

00:00:40.080 we're going to talk about how we met and the punk rock scene that we were part of and we

00:00:45.460 actually helped to start. And a lot of laughs. And they're going to play some songs and you'll

00:00:51.960 hear a little bit about my sorted salad days. Also have Ben Maroney and Chris Chapin and

00:01:00.280 I talking and Ben and I kind of mix it up over Jimmy Kimmel. I'm pretty fucking pissed off

00:01:07.560 about Jimmy Kimmel. So any of you conservatives out there claiming to be in favor of free

00:01:13.980 speech? I don't want to hear it because I don't believe you guys actually do anymore. So it's

00:01:19.560 a shorter show. I'm going to play some old punk rock, the stuff that influenced Alan and

00:01:24.760 Pierre and I and us back in the day. And so thanks for tuning in. And, you know, when

00:01:32.360 they finally do something that you've been demanding they do, applaud. So let's give some

00:01:37.600 credit. Let's give some credit to the Kearney government on anti-Semitism, on an issue that

00:01:42.880 is critically important to the Jewish minority. They finally have done something right. And for

00:01:48.600 the longest time, it seemed like they were incapable of it. Like from the outset, Prime Minister

00:01:53.400 Mark Carney and his liberal government have orbited between either callow indifference or outright

00:01:59.640 hostility towards Jews and the Jewish state. And next week, so for example, the Kearney liberals

00:02:06.520 plan to recognize a state, Palestine, that is run by a designated terrorist entity, Hamas. For that to

00:02:14.180 happen, they lamely insisted a number of conditions be met. None have been, not one. But they plan to go

00:02:21.940 ahead with recognizing Hamas-led Palestine just the same. And a few days ago, Kearney's foreign affairs

00:02:29.220 minister, Anita Nand, said they were evaluating ties with Israel, a historic ally. Back in July, his

00:02:37.220 government accused Israel of violating international law with no evidence. They've condemned Israel for,

00:02:42.640 quote, escalating the conflict in Gaza, end quote, but not Hamas, mind you, which broke a ceasefire and

00:02:48.960 started the war on October 7th, 2023, with the slaughter of hundreds and thousands of civilians in

00:02:55.680 Israel. Like, Kearney's government has called Israel's attempt to eliminate Hamas leaders in Qatar,

00:03:03.120 which is one of the leading sponsors of terror in the world, an intolerable expansion of violence and an

00:03:09.280 affront to Qatar's sovereignty, quote-unquote. And notably, the firebombing of Canadian synagogues

00:03:14.720 and the Canadian Jewish schools being shot up, the explosion in anti-Semitic violence in Canadian soil,

00:03:20.080 all have been followed by lots of tweets of the thoughts and prayers variety, but press this little

00:03:26.480 action. Like we say, Canada isn't the Jewish state's enemy, per se, but it certainly is no longer the

00:03:34.240 Jewish state's ally, which makes recent moves by the Kearney government all the more remarkable.

00:03:40.880 One is my friend Vince Kasparo, the Liberal MP for Tobacco Lakeshore, announcing out of the blue

00:03:48.160 that the anti-Semitic, pro-Hamas, pro-Hezbollah rap group, Irish rap group, NICAP, was not going to be

00:03:55.600 allowed to come to Canada. That was welcome. But then when nobody was expecting it this week,

00:04:00.400 Kearney and his government let it be known they plan to do something that is really important.

00:04:05.120 They leaked to select media that they intend to make it a crime to intentionally promote

00:04:09.440 hatred against identifiable groups in public using certain hateful or terror-related symbols. And that,

00:04:16.160 if true, and if implemented by police and prosecutors, would be a very big deal indeed,

00:04:21.760 like for Muslims as well as Jews, by the way. Now other parts of the Liberals' criminal code

00:04:26.800 amendments like willfully intimidating and obstructing individuals entering places of worship,

00:04:32.880 cultural community-centered schools, that's something they promised during the election.

00:04:37.440 And it basically just follows what a lot of municipalities in Canada have already done.

00:04:42.960 But the Kearney Liberals also plan to eliminate the requirement that consent be attained

00:04:47.840 from provincial attorneys general before hate charges can be laid. And that is a significant change.

00:04:54.720 It's been advocated for by human rights groups for a long time, but that is also good.

00:04:59.520 But like prosecuting neo-Nazis for displaying swastikas or jihadists for waving around Hamas

00:05:06.560 banners, like that's new. That's unprecedented. And for Jews and Jewish groups who have been

00:05:12.400 overwhelmingly the target of such displays, it is far-reaching. It's going to have a significant

00:05:17.920 impact. Like online, just to give you an example, anti-Israel or anti-Semitic content outnumbers pro-Israel

00:05:25.520 or pro-Jewish content by a factor of 50 to 1. 50 to 1. And in the streets and on university campuses,

00:05:33.520 union halls, in the halls of academia, extreme anti-Semitism is ubiquitous, as we know.

00:05:40.320 Too often that Jew hatred is accompanied by, you know, the Red Triangle, which Hamas uses to identify

00:05:47.680 Jews they have marked for death. The Red Hand, which celebrates the slaughter of Jews during the

00:05:53.040 Second Intifada. Or the flags and banners of Hamas or Hezbollah or the Houthis or Iran

00:05:58.480 or any of the many listed jihadist terrorist groups. Like in an interview, I spoke to Lauren Post

00:06:05.280 a while ago. She is the symbols expert for the Anti-Defamation League Center on Extremism.

00:06:11.680 And she said to me, you know, they put a lot of care and thought into the haters, into how a message

00:06:17.280 or image get presented. And, you know, and to use with what constituencies, because some of these symbols

00:06:25.200 have a powerful emotional impact with their supporters. And she said, you know, after October

00:06:31.120 7th, for example, Hamas started putting red triangles over their targets, the people they

00:06:36.880 wanted to kill. So whether that was Israeli soldiers or military equipment or a Jew or whatever. And that

00:06:42.960 turned the red triangle into a symbol of resistance and something actually much more scary. And it was all

00:06:49.440 very intentional, she told me. The intentional use of hate symbols to intimidate and terrorize Canadian

00:06:55.440 Jews is metastasized like a virus, a terrible virus from coast to coast. And finally, like surprisingly,

00:07:04.080 the government of Mark Carney appears to want to do something about it. And God knows the Carney

00:07:09.760 liberals are not perfect. They've already made lots of mistakes on this file. But on this one thing,

00:07:16.800 this important thing, as well as NECAP, and the Attorney General thing, on this file this week,

00:07:23.280 they deserve some credit. At long last, they've done a good and important thing to eliminate hate.

00:07:41.840 the

00:07:47.760 感じ of fear,

00:08:06.240 And there's a day in the dance

00:08:07.680 Any of that that you want to see

00:08:10.120 Well, let's dance

00:08:11.060 Well, let's dance

00:08:13.820 Okay, we're new

00:08:36.240 Hey, baby, if you're all alone

00:08:39.180 Baby, you'll let me walk you home

00:08:41.900 Well, let's dance

00:08:42.820 Let's dance

00:08:45.500 We'll see the twist inside the best dance

00:08:49.360 Hey, I'm just as you want to see

00:08:52.360 Well, let's dance

00:08:53.260 Well, let's dance

00:08:55.920 Hey, baby, things are swinging right

00:09:00.260 Yes, I know that tonight's the night

00:09:02.840 Well, let's dance

00:09:03.740 Well, let's dance

00:09:06.420 We'll see the twist inside the best dance

00:09:10.420 Hey, I'm just as you want to see

00:09:13.300 Well, let's dance

00:09:14.260 Well, let's dance

00:09:16.920 Well, let's dance

00:09:19.520 Well, let's dance

00:09:33.740 Road runner, road runner

00:09:37.760 How moves a hundred miles an hour

00:09:41.700 With the radio on

00:09:45.420 With the radio on

00:09:49.100 Okay, stop playing

00:09:50.780 Stop

00:09:51.560 So, we're

00:09:54.320 I'm here

00:09:55.360 And when I point

00:09:57.540 One at a time, okay?

00:09:59.780 So, don't dominate the conversation

00:10:01.480 Alan

00:10:02.160 So, I'm here with Ross Bureshank

00:10:07.540 The lead guitarist of the Hot Nasties

00:10:10.680 And rockin' Al McDonald

00:10:13.760 Who was in another band

00:10:15.540 Who was a rival band

00:10:16.600 We didn't really like them

00:10:17.600 But then we let them into the Hot Nasties

00:10:19.480 So, welcome to the Kinsella cast

00:10:21.100 Hello, welcome

00:10:22.580 Hi

00:10:23.100 Greetings, erslings

00:10:24.440 So, I grew up with you fuckers

00:10:28.380 You swear

00:10:29.480 And

00:10:30.220 Yeah, you can swear

00:10:31.420 I swear

00:10:31.700 Yeah, you can swear

00:10:32.860 You can take

00:10:34.520 Okay, so you're doing it already, Alan

00:10:36.780 Okay, so shut up

00:10:39.240 So, I've known these guys

00:10:41.860 This is a special podcast

00:10:44.220 For the Kinsella cast podcast

00:10:46.580 Because I've known Pierre Schenck

00:10:49.680 For 50, 5-0 years

00:10:52.800 As of last week

00:10:54.700 Oh, my God

00:10:55.400 And Alan

00:10:56.240 I've known for 49 years

00:10:59.360 As of this month

00:11:01.300 I'm not sure we met in the first week

00:11:03.000 But it was pretty close to it

00:11:04.360 And so we met

00:11:06.640 Pierre and I met

00:11:07.700 At St. Bonaventure Junior High School

00:11:09.480 And so we should talk about that

00:11:12.780 So, how did we meet?

00:11:14.120 What happened?

00:11:15.900 Well, we were the new kids

00:11:17.480 Just the first day of school

00:11:18.840 Standing against the wall

00:11:20.540 Where the new kids stood

00:11:21.520 And all the cool kids are watching us

00:11:23.120 And you were beside me

00:11:25.320 And I just said

00:11:25.780 Hey, kid

00:11:26.280 What's your name?

00:11:27.840 And you told me your name

00:11:28.860 And I said

00:11:29.900 Hey

00:11:30.180 Well, mine's

00:11:31.380 Mine's Pierre

00:11:32.320 Or I'm from Montreal

00:11:34.140 I think I said

00:11:34.940 And you said

00:11:36.600 Well, what do your friends call you?

00:11:37.960 And I said

00:11:38.160 Well, they call me Pierre

00:11:38.860 And I said

00:11:39.880 Just get the fuck away from me

00:11:41.360 And then

00:11:43.700 So, Alan

00:11:44.540 Let me describe the scene

00:11:46.620 Bishop Carroll High School

00:11:49.320 The following year

00:11:50.120 Pierre was going to a different high school

00:11:51.740 And I came down the hallway

00:11:53.820 I think it was with Mark Holbrook

00:11:55.200 And I see this guy

00:11:56.220 With tussled

00:11:57.320 Curly hair

00:11:58.780 Buddy Holly glasses

00:12:00.040 A shirt with

00:12:01.840 Wide lapels

00:12:03.220 Press pants

00:12:04.300 Dress shoes

00:12:05.380 And he's jumping like a

00:12:07.500 Bunny rabbit

00:12:09.040 Down the hallway

00:12:09.960 In the high school

00:12:12.240 And that was you

00:12:13.000 Wasn't it, Alan?

00:12:13.960 Meep, meep

00:12:14.760 Why were you doing that?

00:12:19.400 Well, doesn't everybody do that?

00:12:21.000 That's what high school's all about

00:12:22.440 I don't know

00:12:24.220 Just being silly

00:12:25.160 And I like being silly

00:12:26.560 So

00:12:27.020 And we

00:12:28.340 So we hit it off

00:12:29.480 With Monty Python skits

00:12:31.000 And other stuff

00:12:31.740 And so I introduced

00:12:33.820 You and Pierre

00:12:36.040 And at the start

00:12:38.320 We weren't

00:12:39.660 Playing

00:12:40.740 I don't think any of us

00:12:41.540 Had instruments

00:12:42.160 Right at the very start

00:12:43.140 But we all hung out together

00:12:44.200 Why did

00:12:44.660 Why did we hang out together?

00:12:46.560 Why do you think

00:12:47.140 That we were attracted?

00:12:48.680 I don't mean in a sexual way

00:12:50.180 Of course

00:12:50.640 But why were we

00:12:51.600 Like hanging out

00:12:52.340 With each other?

00:12:52.980 That's a weird question

00:12:53.740 That's a good question

00:12:54.500 Because Linda just said

00:12:56.480 You guys are all different

00:12:58.080 It makes no sense

00:12:59.020 That you're hanging out together

00:12:59.900 And I agreed with her

00:13:01.300 And I just said

00:13:02.060 It just works

00:13:03.020 It just works

00:13:03.640 I don't know

00:13:04.060 That's a good question

00:13:04.820 Well, I remember

00:13:06.620 Our friendship

00:13:08.700 Really didn't start

00:13:09.560 Until the summer

00:13:10.300 When you phoned me up

00:13:11.260 And said

00:13:11.600 What are you doing

00:13:12.200 This weekend?

00:13:12.900 Did you want to come over

00:13:13.640 To my place?

00:13:15.380 And went over to your place

00:13:17.020 And I think we had dinner

00:13:19.600 And then we went over

00:13:21.160 To Pat O'Heron's house

00:13:22.600 Oh, Pat O'Heron

00:13:23.360 Where the Porno Brothers

00:13:25.100 Were doing a thing

00:13:26.360 That's right

00:13:27.360 The Porno Brothers

00:13:28.160 And that's when I kind of

00:13:29.920 Met your crowd

00:13:30.920 That's when I met

00:13:31.580 Pierre

00:13:32.280 Hole in my wall

00:13:33.460 Pat O'Heron

00:13:34.860 Neil Sanderson

00:13:35.860 Don Finstead

00:13:36.820 Classic song

00:13:37.580 I think Bill Corcoran

00:13:39.340 Came in later

00:13:40.280 Anyways

00:13:41.180 Alright, but you're not

00:13:41.980 Answering my question

00:13:42.920 As usual

00:13:43.820 How did you

00:13:45.160 How did we all

00:13:46.000 Kind of get together?

00:13:47.800 Well, the Porno Brothers

00:13:48.920 Ended

00:13:49.540 But you saw me

00:13:50.660 At the

00:13:51.260 Bishop Earl

00:13:53.240 High School

00:13:54.260 Talent Show

00:13:54.920 And I was doing

00:13:55.980 An Elvis impression

00:13:57.640 Ah, yes

00:13:58.460 Which was actually

00:13:59.100 Really a Stan Freeberg impression

00:14:00.900 Of Stan Freeberg

00:14:02.600 Doing an Elvis impression

00:14:03.020 Oh my god

00:14:03.540 Like Pierre

00:14:05.360 So what

00:14:05.760 Like

00:14:06.660 So anyways

00:14:07.520 So you wanted me

00:14:08.540 To come and

00:14:09.440 Do my stuff

00:14:11.780 For the guys

00:14:12.700 It's like

00:14:13.020 This guy could sing

00:14:13.900 And

00:14:14.880 Anyways

00:14:16.260 You sat me down

00:14:17.080 In front of the microphone

00:14:17.960 And I just did my

00:14:18.960 Shit for that

00:14:19.820 And I think

00:14:20.680 Everyone else was like

00:14:21.440 So what

00:14:22.700 Okay

00:14:23.020 So what did you

00:14:23.700 Think of Alan?

00:14:24.580 Like he

00:14:24.960 What the fuck

00:14:27.240 Is wrong with this guy?

00:14:28.380 That's exactly

00:14:28.720 What I thought

00:14:29.240 But I thought

00:14:29.740 You know what

00:14:30.200 He's a friend of yours

00:14:31.120 I'll give him a chance

00:14:32.140 And he kind of

00:14:33.100 Grows on you

00:14:33.800 Like fungus

00:14:34.760 Like fungus

00:14:35.360 Yeah

00:14:35.580 I would say mold

00:14:36.640 Smelly mold

00:14:38.140 So okay

00:14:38.920 So we were doing

00:14:39.800 All of this

00:14:40.300 Porno Brothers

00:14:40.960 And ridiculous stuff

00:14:41.920 And hanging out

00:14:42.360 With these other guys

00:14:43.060 And then

00:14:43.620 Somewhere in there

00:14:45.580 Spring in 1976

00:14:47.580 I was at

00:14:49.460 Kelly Ruth's Records

00:14:50.460 And I got something

00:14:51.540 I've been reading

00:14:52.060 About in

00:14:53.100 Cream Magazine

00:14:53.880 And it was

00:14:55.040 The first album

00:14:55.940 By these misfits

00:14:57.240 From New York City

00:14:58.220 From Queens

00:14:58.940 Called the Ramones

00:15:00.200 And I brought it home

00:15:01.200 And I phoned you

00:15:02.860 And what did I say

00:15:03.640 He said

00:15:04.760 Oh my god

00:15:05.400 Our life is going

00:15:06.880 To change

00:15:07.300 These guys are gods

00:15:09.560 And what did I say

00:15:10.780 I did the same

00:15:11.840 With you

00:15:12.600 Right

00:15:12.860 I was like

00:15:13.520 You could

00:15:14.560 I don't remember that

00:15:15.780 But I remember

00:15:16.980 You had been hearing

00:15:18.120 Them on the radio

00:15:18.860 No no

00:15:19.780 I heard the

00:15:20.740 CBC had a show

00:15:23.140 90 minutes

00:15:23.680 With the bullet

00:15:24.280 With Terry David Mulligan

00:15:25.420 Oh my god

00:15:26.200 And they always

00:15:27.700 Had a report

00:15:28.340 From around

00:15:28.960 Los Angeles

00:15:29.920 New York

00:15:30.420 And London

00:15:30.900 And the guy

00:15:31.880 From London

00:15:32.260 Was all about

00:15:32.860 The punk scene

00:15:33.600 That was exploding

00:15:34.440 And it was

00:15:36.900 The day before

00:15:37.540 God Save the Queen

00:15:38.460 Got released

00:15:39.060 As a single

00:15:41.520 And they played it

00:15:44.080 On the radio

00:15:44.600 And it was

00:15:45.780 One of the most

00:15:46.500 Exhilarating things

00:15:47.460 I can ever really

00:15:48.340 Recall hearing

00:15:49.380 On the radio

00:15:49.920 Great word for it

00:15:50.460 And I turned it up

00:15:51.420 Really loud

00:15:52.300 And I'm babysitting

00:15:53.200 At the time

00:15:53.800 And the kids

00:15:54.800 Are out playing

00:15:55.460 In the yard

00:15:56.000 And I'm like

00:15:56.500 Got the radio cranked

00:15:58.300 And they come running

00:15:59.240 And he's like

00:15:59.640 Okay

00:16:00.040 It was like

00:16:01.000 It was great

00:16:01.760 And I was like

00:16:02.380 I don't know

00:16:03.540 If I phoned you

00:16:04.140 Right after

00:16:04.720 Or the next day

00:16:06.100 Talking about it

00:16:07.020 Whatever

00:16:07.660 And you'd been

00:16:08.620 Reading up

00:16:09.120 On all this stuff

00:16:09.920 So we

00:16:10.740 It sounded different

00:16:12.140 From our

00:16:12.680 Led Zeppelin 4

00:16:13.560 It's so different

00:16:15.280 From Big Floor

00:16:16.000 Our response to it

00:16:17.360 Wasn't it

00:16:18.000 To get our own

00:16:19.200 Instruments

00:16:19.700 You still have

00:16:20.380 Your same guitar

00:16:21.120 I think I lost

00:16:22.400 My bass

00:16:22.900 I don't know

00:16:23.320 If you have

00:16:23.700 ABC Blind Shop

00:16:25.580 On 8th Avenue

00:16:26.280 And we started

00:16:27.640 Writing our own songs

00:16:29.180 Because we didn't know

00:16:29.920 How to copy

00:16:30.620 Anybody else's songs

00:16:31.800 That's too complicated

00:16:32.400 They were too complicated

00:16:33.440 And one of the songs

00:16:34.840 We wrote

00:16:35.620 Was

00:16:36.060 You should play it

00:16:36.880 Right now

00:16:37.540 Alright

00:16:38.000 It was three chords

00:16:39.100 And it ended up

00:16:40.040 Being quite famous

00:16:40.980 It's the invasion

00:16:53.420 Of the triples

00:16:54.180 Yeah

00:16:54.820 I'm sorry

00:16:57.240 I'm sorry

00:16:57.560 I'm sorry

00:16:57.860 Oh yeah

00:17:03.920 Oh yeah

00:17:05.460 Oh yeah

00:17:06.900 Oh yeah

00:17:08.380 Oh yeah

00:17:09.760 Okay

00:17:10.280 So that song

00:17:11.700 That song

00:17:12.500 That song

00:17:13.840 Ended up being

00:17:15.020 Played by

00:17:16.240 A band

00:17:17.600 It was a big deal

00:17:18.520 In Britain

00:17:19.120 Called the

00:17:19.660 Palma Violets

00:17:20.420 And they would

00:17:21.300 Close every show

00:17:22.960 With that song

00:17:24.560 They ended up

00:17:25.720 They found it

00:17:26.760 Their manager

00:17:27.300 Told me

00:17:27.740 On some tape

00:17:28.840 Of a tape

00:17:29.420 Of a tape

00:17:30.060 And I was like

00:17:31.300 Get the fuck

00:17:32.120 Out of here

00:17:32.680 Are you kidding me

00:17:33.620 And I went

00:17:35.140 And I played

00:17:36.000 With them on stage

00:17:37.200 In Toronto

00:17:37.900 And you were supposed

00:17:38.720 To come with me

00:17:39.340 To LA

00:17:39.820 And they would play

00:17:41.480 And they loved that song

00:17:42.540 It's like three

00:17:43.360 Magical chords

00:17:44.200 So we started

00:17:46.840 Playing

00:17:47.440 And out of our

00:17:50.920 First band

00:17:51.680 Out of the

00:17:52.040 Social Blemishes

00:17:52.800 Our first band

00:17:53.780 Came a number

00:17:54.580 Of bands

00:17:55.180 Yours the

00:17:55.820 Sturgeons

00:17:56.400 Ours the

00:17:57.400 Hot Nasties

00:17:58.280 You had the

00:17:58.780 Mild Chaps

00:17:59.620 We had all these

00:18:01.600 Bands happening

00:18:02.540 In Calgary

00:18:03.360 And it was like

00:18:05.180 It all started

00:18:06.560 In your parents

00:18:07.380 Basement

00:18:08.100 In southwest

00:18:09.580 Calgary

00:18:10.500 And like

00:18:11.380 Thanks mom

00:18:12.080 Thanks dad

00:18:12.780 Thanks mom

00:18:13.460 Thanks to all the moms

00:18:14.420 Although we should have

00:18:15.120 Listened to them

00:18:15.640 About hearing protection

00:18:16.660 Yeah

00:18:17.580 And but

00:18:19.380 So how did it feel

00:18:21.000 Pierre first

00:18:22.120 How did it feel

00:18:23.220 In you know

00:18:24.920 The summer of 77

00:18:26.180 And the fall of 77

00:18:27.940 All this stuff

00:18:29.140 Is happening

00:18:29.600 We had newspapers

00:18:30.540 Interviewing us

00:18:31.420 And people coming

00:18:32.100 To see us

00:18:32.600 How did that

00:18:33.480 It was kind of weird

00:18:34.880 Wasn't it

00:18:35.380 Well I

00:18:35.920 Yeah it was great

00:18:37.000 I was alienating myself

00:18:38.140 From the rest of the

00:18:39.040 People in high school

00:18:40.080 For sure

00:18:40.680 They were like

00:18:41.400 Looking at me

00:18:41.960 Really funny

00:18:42.520 Who is this guy

00:18:43.220 What are you playing

00:18:44.200 This punk rock stuff

00:18:45.500 Anyway

00:18:46.260 We had a blast

00:18:47.240 So we did a lot of

00:18:48.200 We started doing

00:18:49.060 A lot of gigs

00:18:49.720 And community centers

00:18:51.520 And just

00:18:51.980 You know

00:18:52.860 People really loved it

00:18:54.080 They just came

00:18:54.820 They wanted to see us

00:18:55.540 They wanted to see us play

00:18:56.320 It was fun

00:18:56.980 We just

00:18:57.420 You know

00:18:57.620 We charged them

00:18:58.180 A little bit of money

00:18:58.880 But

00:18:59.160 We should have

00:19:00.220 Charged them more

00:19:00.980 Yeah

00:19:01.560 We charged them nothing

00:19:02.240 We made

00:19:02.900 We made records

00:19:04.180 Now you get

00:19:04.760 Like our first

00:19:05.460 Hot Nasty's record

00:19:06.500 Is like

00:19:06.860 You know

00:19:07.080 A thousand bucks

00:19:07.820 In Germany

00:19:08.320 Or something

00:19:08.680 So you had

00:19:09.980 The Sturgeons

00:19:10.760 And another huge band

00:19:12.600 In the Calgary scene

00:19:13.700 Well how did it feel

00:19:14.800 For you

00:19:15.280 You were the front man

00:19:16.280 For that band

00:19:16.900 How did it feel

00:19:18.760 Playing that music

00:19:20.800 And you know

00:19:21.420 Word of mouth

00:19:22.040 We could get

00:19:22.580 400 kids out

00:19:23.880 Sometimes 500 kids out

00:19:26.220 Just word of mouth

00:19:27.380 No internet

00:19:28.060 How did that feel

00:19:28.840 I think the classic thing

00:19:30.300 Was that

00:19:30.940 We would organize

00:19:32.540 A gig

00:19:33.080 Somebody would

00:19:33.720 Often you

00:19:34.440 Or somebody else

00:19:36.060 From another band

00:19:36.740 And then

00:19:37.760 Okay we need

00:19:38.940 Five bands

00:19:39.960 And we charged

00:19:41.380 Three dollars

00:19:42.020 And we'd have

00:19:43.040 700 kids at the door

00:19:44.240 At one point

00:19:44.840 We were like

00:19:45.300 Overwhelmed

00:19:46.480 And who

00:19:46.940 Who knew

00:19:47.940 But it was quite

00:19:49.100 A little scene

00:19:49.600 So it was pretty exciting

00:19:50.820 The cops knew

00:19:51.720 And

00:19:52.100 But

00:19:55.040 I mean we had

00:19:57.460 Some catastrophes

00:19:58.940 Like the Croatian Hall

00:20:00.020 Where somebody

00:20:00.460 Ripped a

00:20:01.140 Toilet out of

00:20:02.820 Its place

00:20:03.460 And phoned England

00:20:04.580 For an hour and a half

00:20:06.220 To cost them

00:20:06.900 700 dollars

00:20:07.240 Oh I forgot about that

00:20:08.420 Is that right

00:20:08.980 Oh yeah

00:20:09.340 All sorts of things

00:20:10.080 They broke the doors

00:20:10.900 At Victoria Park

00:20:12.680 Oh I remember that

00:20:13.500 All sorts of things

00:20:14.400 And the cops showed up

00:20:15.400 With dogs

00:20:16.000 Remember that

00:20:16.520 Yeah

00:20:16.740 But a lot of times

00:20:17.640 There wasn't really

00:20:19.120 That kind of problem

00:20:19.960 And there weren't

00:20:20.460 Too many fights

00:20:21.220 Or anything like that

00:20:22.080 The

00:20:23.340 Slammed asses

00:20:25.080 Are you in your

00:20:25.720 Fucking mind

00:20:26.440 Yeah

00:20:26.660 You weren't involved

00:20:27.720 Yeah no

00:20:28.480 Allie was a big chicken

00:20:29.680 But Pierre and I

00:20:30.640 Would get into fights

00:20:31.600 And that kind of

00:20:33.600 Became

00:20:34.160 We never started them

00:20:34.940 No

00:20:35.320 We didn't start them

00:20:36.240 But you know

00:20:36.980 The girls didn't like

00:20:38.320 Coming to the shows

00:20:38.920 After a while

00:20:39.400 Because of the fights

00:20:39.980 And we had neo-Nazi

00:20:41.060 Skinheads showing up

00:20:42.320 And part of the reason

00:20:43.600 Why you and I

00:20:44.340 Decided to pack it in

00:20:45.340 Was because it was

00:20:46.180 Getting so violent

00:20:46.900 Yeah it was getting

00:20:48.480 Stupid

00:20:48.800 I remember one time

00:20:49.560 In Edmonton

00:20:50.120 I was being held

00:20:51.260 By two guys

00:20:52.180 For nothing

00:20:53.160 I don't know why

00:20:53.720 I was being held

00:20:54.420 And they were just

00:20:54.960 Anyway beaten on my face

00:20:56.560 And then you guys

00:20:57.080 Came in to help me

00:20:57.700 That was great

00:20:58.200 And I think that was

00:20:59.020 A different band

00:21:00.440 Or something

00:21:00.780 You guys remember that

00:21:01.600 I can't remember

00:21:02.080 They didn't like us

00:21:03.420 So they started

00:21:04.820 The Calgary-Edmonton rivalry

00:21:06.560 So the

00:21:07.460 But it was

00:21:08.400 It was like

00:21:09.500 Two and a half

00:21:10.440 Two glorious years

00:21:12.040 Wasn't it

00:21:12.560 I mean it was

00:21:13.080 And it

00:21:13.960 We forged a lot

00:21:15.340 Of relationships

00:21:16.020 And friendships

00:21:16.800 Not just

00:21:17.540 The three of us

00:21:18.780 Sitting here

00:21:19.880 In Kelowna

00:21:21.100 British Columbia

00:21:21.920 You know

00:21:22.600 On a sunny

00:21:23.200 Saturday afternoon

00:21:24.180 But we

00:21:25.680 Formed friendships

00:21:27.500 And relationships

00:21:28.260 With guys

00:21:28.760 Who lasted years

00:21:29.820 Coming out of that

00:21:30.520 Punk scene

00:21:30.980 Oh yeah

00:21:32.100 I mean

00:21:33.100 We're still in touch

00:21:34.300 With a lot of people

00:21:35.040 You go on our

00:21:35.720 Any of our Facebooks

00:21:37.500 Those who haven't

00:21:38.820 You know

00:21:39.880 You're going to find

00:21:40.400 People from that scene

00:21:41.600 Yeah

00:21:42.140 But you know

00:21:43.720 People will often say

00:21:45.540 Hey

00:21:45.840 How is Pierre

00:21:46.560 They still remember

00:21:47.740 I just got a text

00:21:49.120 Before we started this

00:21:50.120 From

00:21:50.580 From Julie Scott

00:21:52.740 You know

00:21:53.180 Who is

00:21:53.720 One of our biggest

00:21:54.700 One of our fans

00:21:56.820 She's awesome

00:21:57.420 We met her at the

00:21:58.500 Albus Castello

00:21:59.420 Concert in Calgary

00:22:00.980 She was in the row

00:22:02.440 In front of us

00:22:03.240 And we all

00:22:05.000 Got up to dance

00:22:05.880 And apparently

00:22:06.420 We were the only

00:22:07.040 People that got up

00:22:07.780 To dance

00:22:08.240 And the ushers

00:22:08.740 Came down

00:22:09.100 You can't dance

00:22:09.740 You gotta sit down

00:22:10.040 But you remember

00:22:10.360 What Elvis Castello did

00:22:11.360 And I was

00:22:12.240 I don't know

00:22:12.600 If you caught this

00:22:14.040 He picked up

00:22:15.200 The mic stand

00:22:15.800 You know

00:22:16.020 The weighted mic stand

00:22:17.160 And he fucking

00:22:18.780 Threw it

00:22:19.540 At the back

00:22:20.260 Of one of these

00:22:21.260 Big bouncers

00:22:21.920 Who was beating us up

00:22:23.220 And I thought

00:22:24.060 Okay that's pretty

00:22:24.780 Punk rock

00:22:25.420 You know

00:22:25.780 The star

00:22:26.800 Is stepping in

00:22:27.840 To defend his fans

00:22:28.960 That was pretty cool

00:22:29.820 Yeah

00:22:30.240 But in those days

00:22:31.880 Maybe we conclude

00:22:33.340 With this

00:22:33.840 And you guys can play

00:22:34.600 One last tune

00:22:35.660 To take us out

00:22:36.540 We did a lot of that

00:22:39.160 Obviously because

00:22:39.860 It was fun

00:22:40.500 And friendships

00:22:41.880 And all that

00:22:42.760 But you know

00:22:43.640 Unlike bands

00:22:44.320 In Vancouver

00:22:44.940 Or Toronto

00:22:45.540 Nobody was signing us

00:22:47.160 To record deals

00:22:48.120 Nobody was

00:22:49.120 Like it was

00:22:50.080 We were doing it all

00:22:51.100 You know

00:22:51.440 The do it yourself thing

00:22:52.500 That punk rockers

00:22:53.260 Talk about

00:22:53.620 We were actually

00:22:54.360 Doing it ourselves

00:22:55.040 And so that

00:22:57.900 That made us

00:22:58.820 Kind of unique

00:22:59.420 And special

00:22:59.960 Didn't it

00:23:00.520 Well I think

00:23:01.140 We were the first

00:23:01.800 To release a

00:23:03.000 VP

00:23:03.680 And then you guys

00:23:04.580 Did after us

00:23:05.380 We were third

00:23:06.320 Who was second

00:23:07.580 You guys were first

00:23:08.340 Then Verdicts

00:23:09.040 Oh the Verdicts

00:23:09.780 Then Silicon

00:23:10.500 And the Verdicts

00:23:11.200 Were rock and roll

00:23:11.820 They weren't a punk band

00:23:12.700 Yeah they were great though

00:23:14.180 We played a lot

00:23:15.320 Of the same shows

00:23:15.960 With them

00:23:16.160 No I didn't

00:23:16.680 They fucked

00:23:17.240 Bases fucked my girlfriend

00:23:18.820 But

00:23:19.060 You did her

00:23:22.820 Yeah yeah

00:23:23.760 What was that other band

00:23:25.440 The Something Brothers

00:23:26.780 I don't know

00:23:28.380 Anyways

00:23:29.400 They formed

00:23:30.140 Eventually into

00:23:30.840 Some punk bands

00:23:31.620 But you know

00:23:32.960 I remember

00:23:34.160 Seeing them

00:23:34.940 The first time

00:23:35.480 And they had

00:23:36.080 To pedal steel

00:23:36.760 On stage

00:23:37.420 And it's like

00:23:37.800 Oh yeah

00:23:38.100 Yeah

00:23:38.400 I'm not saying

00:23:39.320 You can't play

00:23:39.840 Punk with pedal steel

00:23:40.720 You probably could play

00:23:41.940 Some great punk

00:23:42.820 With pedal steel

00:23:43.420 But not that

00:23:45.340 And that

00:23:45.920 I mean that

00:23:46.560 And that's what happened

00:23:47.640 Is it started

00:23:48.580 Just you know

00:23:49.940 A dozen of us

00:23:50.900 In Alan's basement

00:23:52.020 Yeah

00:23:52.720 And by the end of it

00:23:54.840 We were playing

00:23:55.460 In front of hundreds

00:23:56.200 Of kids

00:23:56.800 And it was attracting

00:23:58.500 Attention all over the place

00:24:00.060 And bands

00:24:01.140 Who weren't punk

00:24:01.900 Decided they were

00:24:02.620 Going to be punk

00:24:03.120 To try and jump

00:24:03.860 On the bandwagon

00:24:04.720 So

00:24:05.460 Kids we played

00:24:06.200 Before started

00:24:07.400 Their bands

00:24:08.180 And were influenced

00:24:09.460 If those guys

00:24:10.180 Can do it

00:24:10.500 We should do it too

00:24:11.260 And there was quite a

00:24:13.000 You know

00:24:13.420 There was really

00:24:13.940 Quite a scene

00:24:14.500 And by the 1980

00:24:15.680 When you guys

00:24:16.400 Quit the nasties

00:24:18.000 There was this whole

00:24:20.800 New wave of things

00:24:22.000 Happening in Calgary

00:24:24.020 With just

00:24:24.880 Whether it was punk

00:24:25.980 Or just new music

00:24:26.840 I was in a band

00:24:27.700 With somebody

00:24:28.160 Who played a synthesizer

00:24:29.260 I wish to confess

00:24:30.260 Now to the two of you

00:24:31.480 Anyway

00:24:33.060 We had great times

00:24:34.200 And the three of us

00:24:35.120 Just took together

00:24:35.940 50 years

00:24:37.780 And 49 years later

00:24:39.100 That's why we got together

00:24:40.060 This weekend

00:24:40.740 I actually went out

00:24:41.600 To Nelson

00:24:42.820 To see some of my family

00:24:44.200 And that was great too

00:24:45.320 But I think you two

00:24:47.480 You got a song

00:24:48.300 A Ramones song

00:24:49.300 This was probably

00:24:50.700 One of the first

00:24:51.540 Punk rock songs

00:24:52.380 We heard

00:24:53.100 And it kind of

00:24:54.360 Changed our lives

00:24:55.300 Back 50 years ago

00:24:56.820 Everybody learned

00:24:57.900 And so

00:24:58.960 Why don't you

00:24:59.360 Play that for us

00:25:00.060 And take us out

00:25:00.700 Sounds good

00:25:01.400 Hey ho

00:25:15.220 Let's go

00:25:16.840 Hey ho

00:25:18.380 Let's go

00:25:20.020 Hey ho

00:25:21.520 Let's go

00:25:23.160 Hey ho

00:25:24.680 Let's go

00:25:26.260 They're forming

00:25:27.020 A straight line

00:25:28.260 They're going through

00:25:30.320 A tight line

00:25:31.320 The kids are losing

00:25:33.420 Their minds

00:25:34.340 Let's freak pop

00:25:36.120 They're piling in the backseat

00:25:40.360 They're generating steam heat

00:25:43.520 I say to the backbeat

00:25:46.580 Let's freak pop

00:25:48.480 Hey ho

00:25:52.320 Let's go

00:25:53.800 Shoot them in the back now

00:25:55.820 What they want

00:25:58.520 I don't know

00:25:59.960 All revved up

00:26:01.740 And ready to go

00:26:03.220 Falling in a straight line

00:26:05.200 Going through a tight line

00:26:08.320 Kids are losing their minds

00:26:11.400 Let's freak pop

00:26:13.240 Woo

00:26:16.020 There you go

00:26:17.560 Alright

00:26:17.920 Hot Nasties

00:26:18.960 50 years afterwards

00:26:20.440 There's Pierre Schenck

00:26:21.900 And Alan McDon

00:26:22.680 Here in Kelowna BC

00:26:24.140 On a beautiful weekend

00:26:26.180 Thank you gentlemen

00:26:27.060 See you in another 50 years

00:26:28.540 See you in 50

00:26:29.280 50

00:26:29.860 It's a date

00:26:31.020 All right

00:26:31.520 Right

00:26:32.580 Here we go now

00:26:38.260 A sociology lecture

00:26:42.180 With a bit of psychology

00:26:44.360 A bit of neurology

00:26:47.120 A bit of fuckology

00:26:48.940 No fuck

00:26:52.020 Should've had been an an beim

00:27:14.980 Yeah

00:27:15.500 What's up?

00:27:17.260 What's up?

00:27:17.420 All right

00:27:24.180 No fun, my babe

00:27:27.740 No fun

00:27:30.240 No fun, I'm happy

00:27:34.280 No fun

00:27:37.880 It's time to be alone

00:27:41.860 Alone and by myself

00:27:45.180 It's time to be alone

00:27:48.700 In love

00:27:51.420 Where nobody else

00:27:56.540 No fun, my babe

00:28:02.700 No fun

00:28:05.300 No fun, my babe

00:28:09.720 No fun

00:28:13.180 Want to be alone

00:28:16.700 I'm walking by myself

00:28:20.140 Want to be alone

00:28:23.920 In love

00:28:25.660 Are we no friends of mine

00:28:31.180 I've been going out

00:28:36.400 And I've been seeing you

00:28:38.300 I've been calling somebody

00:28:40.060 And I'm falling

00:28:41.580 So come on

00:28:43.180 I've been calling

00:28:44.900 I'm on a love

00:28:48.420 I'm on a love

00:28:50.420 I'm having no fun

00:28:50.740 By myself

00:28:51.860 I get to go find

00:28:54.100 With the running loose

00:28:55.860 I'm on a love

00:28:57.680 By myself

00:28:58.420 I'll be alone

00:29:00.420 And nobody else

00:29:02.660 No fun

00:29:03.860 Oh, it's no fun

00:29:06.180 I don't know

00:29:07.700 I don't know

00:29:09.700 No fun

00:29:11.440 I'm alone

00:29:13.220 No fun

00:29:14.920 I don't know

00:29:16.660 No fun

00:29:18.520 I don't know

00:29:20.160 No fun

00:29:21.940 No fun

00:29:23.480 I'm alone

00:29:25.220 I'm alone

00:29:28.100 I'm alone

00:29:31.620 I'm alone

00:29:35.420 And I'm waiting

00:29:38.680 I'm not fun

00:29:40.900 I'm waiting

00:29:42.240 I've got no one

00:29:44.380 I'm on a love

00:29:46.080 And this is no fun

00:29:47.920 No one

00:29:49.500 On a love

00:29:51.040 I'm alive

00:29:52.840 No fun

00:29:54.520 I'm alive

00:29:55.620 No fun

00:29:58.100 I'm alone

00:29:59.400 No fun

00:30:01.420 I'm alone

00:30:02.880 No fun

00:30:04.840 I'm alive

00:30:06.320 No fun

00:30:08.280 I'm alive

00:30:08.880 No fun

00:30:11.840 No fun

00:30:13.740 No fun

00:30:15.400 No fun

00:30:17.160 No fun

00:30:18.740 No fun

00:30:21.420 No fun

00:30:23.320 Howzy

00:30:24.480 I don't want to be no one

00:30:29.480 I'm watching behind now

00:30:32.480 I'm walking by myself

00:30:35.480 I'm watching behind now

00:30:39.480 And now

00:30:41.480 I'm with nobody else

00:30:50.480 I ain't been going out

00:30:51.480 I don't mean to see it over

00:30:53.480 I'm waiting for somebody else

00:30:55.480 And the fool should come on

00:30:58.480 Oh, I'm on the ground should come on

00:31:01.480 Oh, come on, play

00:31:03.480 I'm on the ground, I'm on the ground

00:31:05.480 I'm with nobody else

00:31:07.480 I'm on the ground, I'm on the ground

00:31:09.480 I'm almost too mad

00:31:11.480 I want some fun

00:31:12.480 Somebody else, I'm on the ground

00:31:15.480 And I'm in every street

00:31:17.480 I'm in every one class

00:31:19.480 Play with me, I'm on the ground

00:31:22.480 I'm on the ground

00:31:24.480 I'm looking at it

00:31:26.480 I'm on the ground

00:31:27.480 I'm on the ground

00:31:28.480 I'm on the ground

00:31:30.480 I'm on the ground

00:31:31.480 I've got nobody else

00:31:32.480 I want more fun

00:31:33.480 I want more fun

00:31:34.480 I'd better make my own fun

00:31:36.480 All alone

00:31:37.480 I'm alive

00:31:38.480 I'm alive

00:31:40.480 I'm alive

00:31:41.480 I'm alive

00:31:42.480 I'm alive

00:31:44.480 I'm alive

00:31:45.480 I'm alive

00:31:46.480 I'm alive

00:31:48.480 I'm alive

00:31:49.480 I'm alive

00:31:50.480 I'm alive

00:31:51.480 I'm alive

00:31:52.480 I'm alive

00:31:53.480 You're with nobody else

00:31:54.480 You know the rules

00:31:55.480 I'm alive

00:31:55.980 You know the world

00:31:56.480 You know the world

00:31:57.480 You know the world

00:31:58.480 You know the world

00:31:59.480 He

00:32:00.380 You know the world

00:32:00.480 You're with nobody else

00:32:01.480 You're with nobody else

00:32:02.480 You know the whole world

00:32:03.480 You know the world

00:32:04.480 You're with nobody else

00:32:05.480 I'm bound to come on

00:32:07.640 I'm bound to come on

00:32:11.000 I'm bound to come on

00:32:14.440 I play with me and I want my fun

00:32:18.680 I want someone else

00:32:20.360 I want some fun

00:32:22.080 And you're not here now

00:32:23.960 I'm bound to go

00:32:25.660 No fun, no fun

00:32:29.080 No fun, no fun

00:32:36.440 No fun

00:32:39.940 It's no fun

00:32:42.780 It's no fun

00:32:44.520 It's not funny

00:32:46.020 I'm bound to come on

00:32:48.460 Welcome back to the Ben Mulrooney Show

00:32:51.440 And you know, it's really funny how every Friday

00:32:53.680 We have the Friday edition of This Week in Politics

00:32:57.560 What a coinkydink

00:32:59.160 And welcome to the team

00:33:00.840 Let's say hi to Chris Chapin, political commentator

00:33:02.780 Managing principal at Upstream Strategy

00:33:04.800 And Warren Kinsella, former special advisor to Jean Chrétien

00:33:08.060 And CEO of the Daisy Group

00:33:10.060 Alright, you're out there, Warren

00:33:11.700 Getting your steps in

00:33:12.980 Meanwhile, I just had a bunch of timbits a few minutes ago

00:33:16.260 I'm not feeling very good about myself

00:33:18.160 Where are you?

00:33:19.620 I'm in Nelson, BC

00:33:21.320 So that's the Kootenays behind me

00:33:23.440 I'm heading into the interior

00:33:25.480 And so if we talk about BC ferries

00:33:28.940 I've got lots of actual real-life examples to talk about

00:33:32.900 That's great

00:33:33.460 Well, before we do

00:33:34.260 This was a story that popped up late in our show yesterday

00:33:37.060 So we really didn't have a chance to get into it

00:33:38.980 I'm very glad to have you both here to talk about

00:33:41.020 Sean Fraser's letter

00:33:43.200 The statement of Canada's intervention before the Supreme Court of Canada

00:33:46.760 Trying to get the Supreme Court to add clarity

00:33:50.520 To the use of the notwithstanding clause by the provinces, I suppose

00:33:54.180 So there's a couple of ways I want to attack this

00:33:57.880 And the first way is

00:33:59.840 Are they tipping their hand, Chris?

00:34:04.780 Is this the priority of the justice minister?

00:34:09.100 When a lot of us were hoping we'd see bail reform

00:34:11.520 We'd see criminal justice reform

00:34:13.200 Instead, this is what's top of mind for them?

00:34:15.880 You know, Ben, it's a good question

00:34:18.600 I actually don't know if I have the answer to that

00:34:20.460 I found it perplexing

00:34:22.280 I feel like this has really come out of nowhere

00:34:23.880 I mean, I know what they've signaled it as

00:34:26.840 As is, you know, a pushback on Bill 21 in Quebec

00:34:29.520 I just find the timing very interesting

00:34:31.280 It's not something Mark Carney or the Liberals

00:34:33.620 Spoke about whatsoever on the campaign trail

00:34:35.700 They certainly didn't bring up this

00:34:37.420 You know, any time they were campaigning in Quebec

00:34:39.840 Throughout the last election

00:34:40.960 So I think it's

00:34:43.100 I personally don't agree with it

00:34:44.420 I think it's an overstep

00:34:45.920 And I think the notwithstanding clause

00:34:47.480 Is very important to keep our country together

00:34:50.160 And the role it plays in giving some power

00:34:52.580 Back to the provinces within our constitution

00:34:54.460 But I find this

00:34:56.180 The timing of this announcement very, very odd

00:34:58.580 Yeah, Warren, maybe you can add some context to this

00:35:01.960 Because I'm

00:35:03.420 This might be a very

00:35:05.180 This might be a very simpleton comparison

00:35:08.560 But it feels to me like

00:35:10.180 Like the Clarity Act 2.0

00:35:13.720 No

00:35:15.680 No, and I

00:35:16.460 Like

00:35:16.860 I don't want to disagree with my conservative friends

00:35:19.560 But I've noticed a lot of conservative friends

00:35:21.480 Saying how horrified they are by this

00:35:23.480 And we should leave the Charter of Rights

00:35:25.640 Tell us why people shouldn't be horrified

00:35:27.260 No, I'm saying they shouldn't be

00:35:30.600 Yeah

00:35:30.800 I don't understand why people are

00:35:33.600 And, you know, conservatives suddenly concerned

00:35:35.760 About the Charter of Rights and Freedoms

00:35:37.320 For the first time ever

00:35:38.300 But anyway

00:35:38.860 Like, you know, going back to

00:35:41.300 The beginnings of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms

00:35:44.260 And it was

00:35:45.580 You know, a request made by Premier Lougheed from Alberta

00:35:49.300 To have it

00:35:50.680 In there as a safety valve

00:35:53.280 The non-obstante clause

00:35:54.920 As it's called in Latin

00:35:56.600 And

00:35:57.680 You know, that was the condition

00:36:00.100 To get all the provinces to sign on

00:36:02.200 The problem became

00:36:03.960 Going back to when your dad was there

00:36:05.880 And my guy Chrétien was there

00:36:07.740 It was abused by the provinces

00:36:10.020 Most particularly the province of Quebec

00:36:12.760 To use it to trample on the rights of minorities

00:36:17.160 That's the problem with Section 33

00:36:19.860 Now, they have to go back every five years to renew it

00:36:22.920 But Quebec's had no hesitation in doing that

00:36:24.920 It basically is an abomination at the center of the Charter of Rights

00:36:29.700 We don't really have a constitutional protection for minorities

00:36:34.440 As long as you have Section 33 there

00:36:36.380 So I think all that the Carney guys are doing

00:36:38.560 Is saying to the Supreme Court

00:36:39.680 Can you tell us what the guardrails are

00:36:42.120 For this particular section?

00:36:43.900 Because we think it's possibly being abused

00:36:46.220 And I think that's a reasonable question to ask

00:36:48.600 Look, I guess they can ask it if they want

00:36:52.460 And then, you know, I don't

00:36:53.620 I mean, they can do what they want

00:36:54.760 But Warren, like

00:36:55.480 A majority for the Liberal Party

00:36:58.780 Goes through Quebec

00:36:59.540 And if this somehow

00:37:02.020 Has the Supreme Court comes down

00:37:04.280 And circumscribes a provincial

00:37:05.860 A province's ability to use the notwithstanding clause

00:37:08.740 I don't see how this doesn't stick to the Liberal brand

00:37:11.960 For a very long time in the province of Quebec

00:37:14.120 Like, this is a big gamble

00:37:15.600 On that I absolutely, on that I agree with you

00:37:18.340 But that to me testifies to how legitimate it is

00:37:22.460 Like, there is for sure

00:37:24.500 A significant political risk

00:37:26.640 To the Liberals in the Liberals doing this

00:37:29.680 Because in Quebec it is not going to be popular

00:37:32.900 Whether it's the Prince Quebecois

00:37:34.600 Or the Quebec Liberal Party

00:37:35.900 They're not going to like it

00:37:37.240 And they're probably going to be interveners

00:37:39.180 In the reference case

00:37:40.740 But it's just, you know

00:37:41.920 I should emphasize that

00:37:43.140 It's just a reference case

00:37:44.360 It's not an actual case

00:37:46.040 It's what governments in Canada are allowed to do

00:37:48.560 Federally or provincially

00:37:49.560 Go to the Supremes and say

00:37:51.100 Hey, what do you think?

00:37:52.440 How will you rule on this

00:37:53.940 If it actually ever becomes a real case?

00:37:56.480 And I think that's a prudent thing to do

00:37:58.580 Mr. Chapin, you're shaking your head a little bit there?

00:38:02.140 Well, I mean, I just

00:38:03.160 I feel like it's a slippery slope

00:38:04.940 We seem to be on in this country

00:38:07.020 That we leave so much up to the Supreme Court

00:38:09.320 I do think that there should be some guardrail

00:38:12.540 That Parliament's still supreme

00:38:13.960 And I think taking that away

00:38:15.860 Taking, you know

00:38:16.880 Asking the Supreme Court to rule themselves

00:38:19.320 Whether they should essentially be

00:38:20.800 The supreme body in this country

00:38:23.500 I think is dangerous

00:38:24.560 Yeah, I did not see this coming yesterday

00:38:28.140 So I haven't had a lot of time to think about it

00:38:30.240 You know, like

00:38:30.640 And I just don't

00:38:31.320 I don't know where it came from

00:38:32.540 I don't know what the genesis of it was

00:38:33.860 I don't know what the

00:38:34.580 Where the pressure was mounting on the government

00:38:37.340 To do this so early in this parliamentary session

00:38:40.620 When it was not on anybody's radar

00:38:43.580 And this is a good faith question

00:38:45.160 Where did this come from?

00:38:46.560 And if

00:38:47.360 Look, if this is the beginning of the slippery slope

00:38:50.360 As Chris just said

00:38:51.140 There's no way it's not going to be traced back to

00:38:54.100 You know, if one day

00:38:55.420 There is an inability for a government

00:38:58.860 To use the notwithstanding clause

00:39:00.260 In any way that they used to before

00:39:01.720 It'll be traced back to this letter

00:39:03.300 Which is on

00:39:04.400 Which is signed by the liberal government

00:39:06.180 And they're going to have to answer for it

00:39:07.680 In Alberta

00:39:08.400 And in Ontario

00:39:09.400 And in Quebec

00:39:10.340 Where it is used the most

00:39:12.100 But, alright

00:39:13.560 So this is the beginning of this conversation

00:39:14.860 Clearly we're going to come back to it

00:39:16.120 Because

00:39:16.480 I still have more questions

00:39:18.240 Than we got answers

00:39:19.260 Let's talk about

00:39:20.720 What has happened over the past few days

00:39:22.600 With so many

00:39:23.460 Liberals of great experience

00:39:27.940 Especially since 2015

00:39:29.420 Jumping ship

00:39:30.620 They're either jumping ship

00:39:31.680 Or they're being thrown off the ship

00:39:33.080 We're talking about

00:39:33.700 Christopher Freeland

00:39:34.400 Jonathan Wilkinson

00:39:35.260 Bill Blair

00:39:35.740 And Stephen Gilbeau

00:39:36.700 All being moved out of either

00:39:39.200 Seats in the House of Commons

00:39:41.760 Or a position within the government

00:39:43.100 To then take some positions

00:39:45.100 In the diplomatic corps

00:39:46.280 And again

00:39:47.220 I don't expect to see this

00:39:48.920 At the beginning of a parliamentary session

00:39:51.240 This is normally something that happens

00:39:52.640 At the

00:39:53.360 When a government's long in the tooth

00:39:54.940 Am I wrong?

00:39:55.900 Warren?

00:39:58.160 No, you're not wrong

00:39:59.800 They're not just leaving government

00:40:03.760 They're getting some pretty soft landings

00:40:05.980 So you're getting a lot of people

00:40:07.680 And it's what all political parties always say

00:40:10.340 We're not going to stick our partisans

00:40:13.640 Into the public service

00:40:15.020 Or into the diplomatic corps

00:40:17.040 Because we value those systems

00:40:19.840 And it should be responsible

00:40:21.980 Experienced people

00:40:23.380 Here we go

00:40:24.860 Wilkinson and Gilbeau

00:40:27.080 And Blair

00:40:27.980 Getting soft landings

00:40:30.040 And big diplomatic postings abroad

00:40:32.400 So they're kind of doing

00:40:34.520 What they said that they wouldn't do

00:40:36.120 So that's disappointing

00:40:37.380 Next question you've got to ask yourself

00:40:40.760 Is are they the right people

00:40:42.220 For those jobs?

00:40:43.600 You know, Bill Blair to me

00:40:44.740 Is a bull in a china shop

00:40:46.340 Going back to the G20

00:40:47.620 So he's not somebody

00:40:49.200 Cut out for a diplomatic appointment

00:40:51.400 Wilkinson, same thing

00:40:53.380 All he did for the time he was minister

00:40:55.500 Is alienate the energy industry

00:40:57.780 Gilbeau was even worse

00:40:59.820 The only one I think

00:41:01.540 Who would actually

00:41:02.840 You know, be a welcome appointment

00:41:04.940 At an important appointment

00:41:07.020 At this time

00:41:08.000 At the United Nations

00:41:09.060 Is David Lamedi

00:41:10.080 A very capable guy

00:41:11.740 Close to the prime minister

00:41:13.040 And he has that kind of persona

00:41:15.580 He's got that kind of patience

00:41:17.140 For the diplomatic world

00:41:18.560 So that one is okay

00:41:20.160 The rest of them

00:41:20.920 I think are duds

00:41:21.760 I just

00:41:23.040 I'm trying to figure out

00:41:24.060 The sequence of events

00:41:26.060 Did these guys run

00:41:27.840 In the last election

00:41:28.760 Knowing this was going to happen

00:41:30.520 Are they being asked to leave

00:41:32.680 Because there are some young

00:41:34.100 Some young liberals

00:41:35.560 That they want to

00:41:37.100 Put in these safe seats

00:41:39.000 That they can then bring into

00:41:40.320 The government

00:41:41.080 With some new fresh blood

00:41:42.320 Like I don't know

00:41:43.120 What's going on, Chris

00:41:44.300 I don't either

00:41:46.760 You know, I don't pretend to

00:41:47.960 Have a line of sight

00:41:49.300 Into the prime minister's office

00:41:50.640 I think some of them

00:41:51.840 Make sense to a certain extent

00:41:53.420 I think there's something

00:41:55.000 To be said about

00:41:55.600 Putting your mark

00:41:57.180 You know, in

00:41:58.020 Prime Minister Mark Carney's case

00:41:59.280 I think finally putting it

00:42:00.120 Actually, you know what, Chris?

00:42:00.800 I apologize

00:42:01.260 I'm going to ask you

00:42:01.860 We're going to stick a pin in that

00:42:02.740 We're going to pick that up

00:42:03.760 As soon as we get back

00:42:04.760 From the break

00:42:05.880 We've got much more

00:42:06.800 With our panel

00:42:07.420 It's This Week in Politics

00:42:08.480 Chris Chapin and Warren Kinsella

00:42:10.360 We're going to talk about that

00:42:11.740 As well as what to make

00:42:12.900 Of our prime minister's

00:42:14.140 Trip to Mexico

00:42:15.340 So there's that

00:42:16.200 And a lot more to come

00:42:17.840 On the political panel

00:42:18.760 Right here on

00:42:19.420 The Ben Mulroney Show

00:42:20.100 Welcome back to

00:42:27.900 The Ben Mulroney Show

00:42:28.820 And welcome back

00:42:29.660 To our good friends

00:42:30.380 Chris Chapin and Warren Kinsella

00:42:32.100 For our Friday edition

00:42:33.280 Of This Week in Politics

00:42:35.020 Chris, before the break

00:42:36.460 You were making a point

00:42:37.800 And I will allow you

00:42:38.620 To make it now

00:42:39.300 No, I'd listen, Ben

00:42:41.920 We were just talking about

00:42:42.840 You know, the

00:42:43.640 Mark Carney's appointments

00:42:44.720 Of these positions

00:42:45.440 And I think there's something

00:42:46.440 To be said about him

00:42:47.180 Certainly putting his stamp

00:42:48.400 On some of these

00:42:49.840 These appointments

00:42:50.400 Around the world

00:42:51.120 I completely agree with Warren

00:42:52.400 You know, the David Lamedi one

00:42:53.700 Makes a lot of sense

00:42:54.480 Bill Blair being the

00:42:55.620 The ambassador

00:42:57.200 In the High Commission

00:42:58.560 In London

00:42:58.960 Is certainly a perplexing one

00:43:00.560 I think

00:43:01.060 And I mean

00:43:01.620 We might still get to the topic

00:43:02.820 But I think the more

00:43:03.740 Interesting one

00:43:04.300 Certainly was

00:43:04.940 Christia Freeland's

00:43:06.460 What I would call

00:43:07.580 Far less soft landing

00:43:08.960 And I think that's

00:43:09.600 The more interesting

00:43:10.280 Thing that hasn't been

00:43:11.460 Talked about

00:43:12.000 Even though I think

00:43:13.380 They've creatively

00:43:14.200 And well timed

00:43:15.020 These appointments

00:43:16.480 To put the more

00:43:17.480 Respected people

00:43:18.100 In those offices

00:43:18.740 I think her appointment

00:43:19.600 In Ukraine

00:43:20.060 Is far more perplexing

00:43:21.040 I just

00:43:21.420 It's the sheer number

00:43:23.480 Of people

00:43:24.060 All leaving

00:43:24.820 At the same time

00:43:25.720 So quickly

00:43:26.380 After an election

00:43:27.460 That's what I don't get

00:43:28.840 I'm trying to square

00:43:29.980 That circle

00:43:30.620 Because

00:43:31.280 Were these discussions

00:43:32.500 Happening prior

00:43:33.240 To the election

00:43:33.820 If so

00:43:34.220 Why did they run

00:43:35.140 Because now

00:43:35.980 We've got

00:43:36.260 Four or five

00:43:37.420 By-elections

00:43:38.060 That we're going

00:43:38.800 To have to

00:43:39.460 Gird for

00:43:40.400 So to me

00:43:41.120 There's just

00:43:42.160 Still a lot

00:43:43.000 Of questions

00:43:43.540 None of them bad

00:43:45.220 I just want to know

00:43:46.180 The sequence of events

00:43:47.060 That's it

00:43:47.560 All right

00:43:49.380 Let's move

00:43:49.780 Sorry Chris

00:43:50.820 Go on

00:43:51.100 No

00:43:52.180 I couldn't agree more

00:43:53.780 I think that

00:43:54.260 There's certainly

00:43:54.780 Some very perplexing

00:43:55.900 Appointments

00:43:56.520 I mean you think

00:43:57.080 About you know

00:43:57.640 Somebody like

00:43:58.180 Naderskin Smith

00:43:59.060 Who was convinced

00:43:59.980 To run again

00:44:00.760 He clearly thought

00:44:02.240 He was getting back

00:44:02.980 In cabinet for example

00:44:03.960 And he was left out

00:44:05.060 So I mean there's been

00:44:05.840 Very very bizarre

00:44:06.920 Decisions

00:44:07.480 By the Kearney liberals

00:44:09.180 Since they

00:44:09.880 Since they took office

00:44:11.080 Well one thing

00:44:12.000 That has been consistent

00:44:14.020 Is our prime minister

00:44:15.000 Saying that we have

00:44:15.740 To go out there

00:44:16.220 And we've got to

00:44:16.620 Diversify our trade

00:44:17.640 And he's made some trips

00:44:19.060 To Europe

00:44:20.480 And now he's gone

00:44:21.340 South of the United States

00:44:22.820 To our trading partner

00:44:23.740 In Mexico

00:44:24.440 To you know

00:44:26.820 Solidify the trade we have

00:44:28.540 And expand the trade

00:44:29.460 That we don't

00:44:30.200 What's your sense

00:44:32.160 Of how it's been going

00:44:33.180 And I'll start with you Warren

00:44:35.340 You know looking at

00:44:39.240 Kearney and President

00:44:41.380 Scheinblum

00:44:42.100 It feels like I'm watching

00:44:43.960 Two kids at lunchtime

00:44:45.520 Who've been picked on

00:44:46.340 By a bigger kid

00:44:47.220 And they're trying

00:44:48.200 To forge an alliance

00:44:49.740 About how to

00:44:50.400 Ensure their lunch money

00:44:51.560 Doesn't get stolen anymore

00:44:52.960 So you know

00:44:55.560 How durable

00:44:57.460 Are these alliances

00:44:58.560 Like in the case

00:44:59.420 Of Mexico

00:44:59.920 We know

00:45:00.480 When Trump came back

00:45:02.080 At us

00:45:02.660 In yet another

00:45:03.500 Tariff wave

00:45:04.380 A few weeks ago

00:45:05.420 Mexico was given

00:45:07.260 A get out of jail

00:45:08.520 Free card

00:45:09.280 And was given

00:45:10.500 90 days

00:45:11.680 To negotiate further

00:45:12.860 With the United States

00:45:13.620 With no penalty

00:45:14.540 So you know

00:45:16.200 That's the problem

00:45:17.160 With these alliances

00:45:18.260 Particularly in the Trump era

00:45:20.240 They're really not

00:45:21.320 Worth the paper

00:45:22.080 They're printed on

00:45:23.060 You know we have

00:45:24.140 A USMCA

00:45:25.220 With the United States

00:45:26.240 America

00:45:26.680 And Mexico already

00:45:27.600 And Trump has

00:45:29.140 Violated it

00:45:29.980 With his bogus claims

00:45:31.380 About fentanyl

00:45:32.180 Or whatever

00:45:32.660 So like to me

00:45:34.320 It really comes down

00:45:35.360 To not the deal

00:45:36.280 You know

00:45:36.820 Not the piece of paper

00:45:37.840 Comes down to the leaders

00:45:39.240 I regard Carney

00:45:40.640 And Scheinbloom

00:45:41.420 As more stable

00:45:42.820 Type leaders

00:45:43.520 So probably

00:45:44.720 Something will come out

00:45:45.680 Of it

00:45:45.980 I guess we'll have

00:45:46.780 To see what it is

00:45:47.420 But our level of trade

00:45:48.540 With Mexico

00:45:49.080 As we all know

00:45:49.780 Is nothing like

00:45:50.780 What it is

00:45:51.200 In the United States

00:45:52.020 No

00:45:52.340 But Chris

00:45:53.200 Any option

00:45:55.340 If it's a zero sum game

00:45:56.840 The trade that we're

00:45:58.340 Not doing with the states

00:45:59.180 We have to do

00:45:59.680 Elsewhere

00:46:00.800 And so if

00:46:02.160 There's an opportunity

00:46:03.420 To expand trade

00:46:04.720 With Mexico

00:46:05.580 I think

00:46:06.080 It's incumbent upon

00:46:07.360 Our Prime Minister

00:46:07.900 To take that

00:46:08.480 Take that opportunity

00:46:09.480 I suppose

00:46:12.520 Ben

00:46:13.020 I think the challenge

00:46:13.920 And Warren summed it up

00:46:14.880 Perfectly at the end there

00:46:15.680 I think our exports

00:46:16.640 Are something like 1%

00:46:17.960 Maybe 2%

00:46:18.980 Of our total exports

00:46:19.820 Are to Mexico

00:46:20.320 We really do not

00:46:21.960 Do that much trade

00:46:22.920 With them

00:46:23.280 And so

00:46:23.700 I think it's

00:46:25.520 I think it's a box

00:46:26.480 I suppose

00:46:27.160 Prime Minister Carney

00:46:28.080 Had to check

00:46:28.760 I thought it was

00:46:29.780 Very interesting

00:46:30.420 When I saw the news

00:46:31.260 Though

00:46:31.480 Because I mean

00:46:32.000 If you look back

00:46:32.700 To kind of the start

00:46:33.920 Of when things

00:46:34.660 All really started

00:46:35.380 To fall apart

00:46:35.860 From a trade perspective

00:46:36.680 With the United States

00:46:37.400 The one person

00:46:39.900 I think President Trump

00:46:40.860 Kind of stood

00:46:41.400 I won't say

00:46:42.780 In solidarity with

00:46:43.500 But he thought

00:46:44.480 Was very strong

00:46:45.960 On trade

00:46:46.400 Was Mexico

00:46:47.080 And often used

00:46:49.100 Us as the

00:46:49.820 Counterbalance

00:46:50.680 And said

00:46:51.020 Canada is so bad

00:46:52.160 With us on trade

00:46:52.900 And so

00:46:53.160 I thought that was

00:46:54.340 Very interesting

00:46:55.040 A very interesting choice

00:46:56.260 It kind of felt

00:46:57.360 Like Carney

00:46:57.740 Was poking the bear

00:46:58.460 A little bit

00:46:58.880 I thought they've

00:46:59.700 Done a decent job

00:47:00.900 Keeping the rhetoric

00:47:02.220 Very quiet

00:47:03.100 On trade

00:47:03.840 Whether you agree

00:47:04.780 With it or not

00:47:05.460 I actually

00:47:06.220 Kind of do

00:47:06.940 I think

00:47:07.360 Keeping the temperature

00:47:08.600 Low

00:47:09.020 Keeping the noise

00:47:10.040 Low

00:47:10.440 When it comes

00:47:11.080 To the president

00:47:11.540 Is a good thing

00:47:12.160 But I felt

00:47:14.120 Like this was

00:47:14.600 Kind of poking

00:47:15.200 The president

00:47:16.280 A little bit

00:47:16.740 And saying

00:47:17.020 What is it

00:47:18.500 We're going

00:47:18.700 To work around you

00:47:19.480 We're going

00:47:19.740 To somehow

00:47:20.580 Have trade

00:47:21.220 That you know

00:47:21.640 Are we just

00:47:22.040 Going to ship

00:47:22.480 It down to Mexico

00:47:23.240 And not drive

00:47:23.880 It through

00:47:24.200 The United States

00:47:24.960 Yeah

00:47:25.240 No it's

00:47:26.140 It's a good point

00:47:26.900 I mean

00:47:27.060 And you never know

00:47:28.140 How the president

00:47:29.040 Is going to receive

00:47:29.820 Anything

00:47:30.280 The most innocuous

00:47:32.380 Comment can be

00:47:33.460 Turned into an attack

00:47:34.560 That he will use

00:47:35.400 Watch it Jimmy Kimmel

00:47:37.200 All right

00:47:39.500 Okay Warren

00:47:40.320 You told us

00:47:41.120 You're in British Columbia

00:47:42.140 You can look back there

00:47:43.640 And you can see

00:47:44.200 You can see ships

00:47:45.180 And boats

00:47:45.620 And possibly ferries

00:47:46.720 The BC ferry deal

00:47:48.160 That you know

00:47:50.200 It was a news story

00:47:51.860 For a day

00:47:52.440 That exploded

00:47:53.220 Into a

00:47:53.820 You know

00:47:54.260 A mini scandal

00:47:55.300 When we found out

00:47:56.860 That what

00:47:57.300 Was a billion dollar loan

00:47:58.840 Was given to a Chinese company

00:47:59.960 I can't remember

00:48:01.060 Exactly what it was

00:48:01.960 But

00:48:02.160 But

00:48:02.640 But now

00:48:04.000 Our former transport minister

00:48:06.080 Chrystia Freeland

00:48:06.860 Is going to be held

00:48:08.320 To

00:48:08.740 To account

00:48:09.660 For what happened

00:48:10.900 Talk to me about

00:48:11.880 How you see it Warren

00:48:12.780 Well

00:48:14.320 Very quickly

00:48:15.100 On Chris's point

00:48:16.460 About

00:48:16.860 Freeland's appointment

00:48:18.100 I totally agree with him

00:48:19.380 I don't understand

00:48:20.820 Why she accepted that

00:48:22.240 But anyway

00:48:22.760 She's not the ambassador

00:48:24.440 She's some kind of

00:48:25.240 Special envoy

00:48:26.020 To Ukraine now

00:48:26.980 And she's gotten

00:48:27.960 Out of the line of fire

00:48:29.020 On this BC ferry story

00:48:30.420 Like I've lived in BC

00:48:32.100 I can tell you

00:48:33.060 Like it's beautiful province

00:48:34.180 One of the most beautiful

00:48:34.900 Places in the world

00:48:35.660 And ferries are a big

00:48:37.340 Big deal here

00:48:38.240 Without a functioning

00:48:39.440 Ferry system

00:48:40.340 This province

00:48:41.460 Grinds to a halt

00:48:42.820 And so I understood

00:48:44.520 David Eby

00:48:45.780 The premier's desire

00:48:47.160 To get

00:48:47.820 You know

00:48:48.560 The ferries that he needed

00:48:50.000 To keep his province running

00:48:51.620 And he wanted

00:48:52.900 To do the deal

00:48:53.820 With Canadian companies

00:48:55.700 And apparently

00:48:56.340 None of them bid

00:48:57.020 They say that he set up

00:48:58.480 The terms of reference

00:48:59.300 So that they couldn't bid

00:49:00.480 It's hard to know

00:49:01.300 What the truth is

00:49:02.040 But the one thing

00:49:02.700 We do know

00:49:03.440 Is what the federal government

00:49:04.920 Was saying publicly

00:49:05.780 Was not how they were

00:49:06.940 Dealing with the story

00:49:08.320 Privately

00:49:09.220 And you know

00:49:11.400 They were facilitating

00:49:12.260 A deal that

00:49:13.100 Freeland had condemned

00:49:14.580 It's just a bad look

00:49:16.400 Yeah

00:49:16.680 It's messy

00:49:17.320 It didn't need to be

00:49:18.460 But out here

00:49:19.900 You know

00:49:20.280 I think probably

00:49:20.880 People don't care

00:49:21.720 They just want to get

00:49:22.280 The ferries

00:49:23.060 And the ferry system running

00:49:24.100 So Chris

00:49:25.240 So by sending her off

00:49:27.280 To Ukraine

00:49:27.860 She doesn't have to testify

00:49:29.020 Is that right?

00:49:30.800 Oh I don't think

00:49:31.660 It's that Ben

00:49:32.400 As much as I think

00:49:33.380 You know

00:49:33.580 It's a Warren's point

00:49:34.420 About he's not sure

00:49:35.060 Why she took the position

00:49:36.400 I'm pretty confident

00:49:37.900 I'm starting to get

00:49:38.780 A clearer picture

00:49:39.400 On why she took it

00:49:40.340 I think it very well

00:49:41.040 Might have been a situation

00:49:41.920 Where they looked at her

00:49:43.400 And how bad

00:49:44.280 She bungled this

00:49:45.200 This file

00:49:46.420 And said you know

00:49:46.960 This might be

00:49:47.480 The first person

00:49:48.160 We give the boot

00:49:49.260 Out a cabinet

00:49:49.780 To set an example

00:49:50.680 And so I think

00:49:51.800 There was very

00:49:52.340 A very high likelihood

00:49:53.540 That that very

00:49:54.780 Bizarre position

00:49:55.600 She took

00:49:56.180 Unlike these

00:49:56.660 High profile ones

00:49:57.540 Her colleagues

00:49:58.200 Were appointed to

00:49:59.440 I think this thing

00:50:00.940 Stinks to the high heavens

00:50:02.020 I mean

00:50:02.540 I get Warren's point

00:50:04.360 Completely

00:50:04.740 That you know

00:50:05.200 The importance

00:50:05.960 Of the ferries

00:50:06.740 To the British Columbia

00:50:07.760 You know

00:50:08.480 Economy

00:50:08.940 But that said

00:50:10.160 I think this deal

00:50:11.060 She's gone backwards

00:50:12.480 I mean now

00:50:12.960 These you know

00:50:13.660 This new

00:50:14.580 You know

00:50:15.360 Report

00:50:15.720 Basically has her

00:50:17.100 Lying to

00:50:18.080 To the legislature

00:50:19.600 We only have

00:50:20.860 A short period

00:50:21.640 Of time left

00:50:22.080 So I want to

00:50:22.660 Get your take

00:50:23.120 On where things

00:50:24.180 Stand in the

00:50:25.100 United States

00:50:25.660 With this

00:50:26.180 Jimmy Kimmel thing

00:50:26.920 What are your

00:50:27.800 Thoughts

00:50:28.200 Was he censored

00:50:29.500 Did he step

00:50:30.340 Over a line

00:50:31.240 What are your

00:50:32.300 High level thoughts

00:50:34.400 On what transpired

00:50:35.460 In the states

00:50:36.000 Warren go first

00:50:38.200 I'll go first

00:50:39.280 You know

00:50:40.800 You guys are

00:50:41.680 Conservatives

00:50:42.280 I'm not

00:50:42.820 Like I just

00:50:43.660 I thought

00:50:44.100 Conservatives

00:50:44.680 Believed in free speech

00:50:45.820 And like the

00:50:46.820 Charlie Kirk's murder

00:50:48.360 His assassination

00:50:49.240 Was tragic

00:50:50.560 And horrible

00:50:51.500 And

00:50:52.620 But what

00:50:54.340 Jimmy Kimmel said

00:50:55.480 I didn't

00:50:56.980 You know

00:50:57.280 It was comedy

00:50:58.040 He's a comedian

00:50:58.860 Maybe it was

00:51:00.400 A little tasteless

00:51:01.340 But they didn't

00:51:02.260 You know

00:51:02.520 They shouldn't

00:51:03.020 Have censored him

00:51:04.020 But that's

00:51:05.220 What the concern

00:51:05.800 So he lied

00:51:06.920 On the public airwaves

00:51:08.920 Like that's to me

00:51:09.880 The biggest

00:51:10.520 How did he lie

00:51:11.220 He said

00:51:11.760 How did he lie

00:51:12.640 He said

00:51:13.060 In the set up

00:51:13.900 To his joke

00:51:14.540 He said

00:51:15.660 That the

00:51:16.340 MAGA crowd

00:51:17.300 Is going to be

00:51:17.720 Working overtime

00:51:18.820 To lie to you

00:51:21.300 And tell you

00:51:21.800 To take advantage

00:51:22.760 Of his death

00:51:24.280 No no no

00:51:24.780 That's what he said

00:51:25.980 He said

00:51:26.620 They're going to

00:51:27.940 Lie to you

00:51:28.360 And tell you

00:51:28.760 That the shooter

00:51:29.400 Wasn't one of their own

00:51:30.560 That was the set up

00:51:31.920 To the joke

00:51:32.180 The jokes themselves

00:51:32.820 I actually laughed

00:51:33.780 At the jokes

00:51:34.180 Okay so he deserves

00:51:36.560 To be fired for that

00:51:37.460 He deserves to be

00:51:38.640 Taken off the air

00:51:39.300 For that

00:51:39.560 No I didn't

00:51:40.140 I didn't say that

00:51:41.040 I didn't say that

00:51:41.740 I said

00:51:42.180 What I said

00:51:43.100 Is I

00:51:43.880 I personally find

00:51:45.120 Lying on the airwaves

00:51:46.240 Like that

00:51:46.820 The public airwaves

00:51:48.320 Should have consequences

00:51:49.540 I don't know

00:51:50.100 What those consequences are

00:51:50.620 Well I don't think

00:51:51.240 It's a lie

00:51:51.880 Unless somebody

00:51:52.520 Can prove

00:51:53.060 That he deliberately

00:51:53.880 And willfully

00:51:54.520 Set out to tell a lie

00:51:55.720 Maybe it's just

00:51:56.440 A mistake

00:51:57.000 But either way

00:51:58.380 Like over on Fox

00:51:59.980 There's a guy saying

00:52:00.760 Let's go shoot

00:52:01.400 The homeless

00:52:01.960 I know

00:52:02.560 And that SOB

00:52:03.920 Still got his job

00:52:04.900 Correct

00:52:05.140 So like I'm sorry

00:52:06.180 But the conservative

00:52:07.200 Established in the United States

00:52:08.500 Used to believe in free speech

00:52:09.820 They don't anymore

00:52:10.920 I'm not going to listen

00:52:11.660 To conservatives

00:52:12.420 Talking to me

00:52:13.300 About free speech anymore

00:52:14.440 Because it's all BS

00:52:15.920 I didn't even have a chance

00:52:17.580 To talk there Warren

00:52:18.540 And neither did Chris sadly

00:52:19.600 We didn't say anything

00:52:20.520 But anyway

00:52:21.160 Thank you both

00:52:21.780 For being here

00:52:22.460 We'll talk to you soon

00:52:31.400 I think that

00:52:53.240 I know why

00:52:55.200 I don't give up

00:52:57.120 I'll never die

00:52:59.360 But first person

00:53:01.000 God will be on next week

00:53:03.900 There are things that

00:53:08.900 Are inside my head

00:53:11.080 Things I don't know

00:53:12.720 Things I've best not said

00:53:14.800 Cause I am my one and only weakness

00:53:19.320 I know that

00:53:24.080 My God is not

00:53:26.200 A white wafer

00:53:27.900 They must have forgot

00:53:30.080 And I'm not worthy

00:53:31.880 So I won't receive

00:53:34.640 This is a secret of immortality

00:53:50.020 This is a secret of immortality

00:53:57.740 This is a secret of immortality

00:54:05.520 I know that

00:54:26.120 People hate me

00:54:28.260 They don't want to die

00:54:30.280 They never see

00:54:32.180 Life isn't an almond rock

00:54:35.860 We're okay now

00:54:37.140 No one likes that

00:54:41.880 I don't care

00:54:43.660 I won't die

00:54:45.680 Dying's nowhere

00:54:47.820 They started to

00:54:49.580 The second that

00:54:50.900 They were born

00:54:52.540 Did you know that

00:54:57.400 The grass is blue

00:54:59.200 The sky is green

00:55:01.100 They lied to you

00:55:03.320 This is a secret of immortality

00:55:07.380 This is a secret of immortality

00:55:22.840 This is a secret of immortality

00:55:30.600 This is a secret of immortality

00:55:38.340 You're in the Haginton

00:55:45.980 I don't know

00:55:47.980 You're looking to live

00:55:48.080 There's a secret of immortality

00:55:50.140 This is a secret of immortality

00:55:50.700 You're not worthy

00:55:51.780 Heabeth

00:55:55.980 You're in the hospitalized

00:55:56.580 The one I want

00:55:58.980 Ruth

00:56:00.740 un

00:56:01.400 Here soluvia

00:56:01.720 The six

00:56:04.600 You're in the

00:56:05.360 We'll be right back.

kinsellacast - September 20, 2025

KINSELLACAST 380： Live from B.C. with Ras Pierre Schenk, Rockin' Al Macdonald, Ben Mulroney, Chris Chapin - plus Ramones and Sex Pistols and Hot Nasties!

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