kinsellacast - October 05, 2025


KINSELLACAST 382： A sad week and sad anniversary - with Lilley, Mulroney, Batra, Goldstein and Chapin - plus many great tunes


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In the wake of the attack in Manchester, we have to ask the question: who is the greater threat? Is it the far-right, or the Islamic extremists? And why are they so much more dangerous than the Islamic terrorists?

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00:00:00.000 It's the KinsellaCast starring Warren Kinsella.
00:00:15.120 Hey, it's Warren. Welcome to KinsellaCast. If I sound rushed, it's because I am.
00:00:20.180 The Prince Edward County Locks Festival, a celebration of Jewish food and culture, is taking
00:00:24.840 place all weekend. And he is leading a big session at noon, and I've got to get there
00:00:31.420 to it. I just got back from the cabin, and it's going to be awesome. And I've got on this awesome
00:00:37.600 show, Brian Lilly, Ben Maroney, Chris Chapin, Laurie Goldstein, Adrian Batra, and tons of great music
00:00:43.260 pursuant to a request from Martin Dixon. He said he wanted more music. So Martin, here's some more
00:00:48.360 music for you. You've got to guess, however, who the artists and who the songs are. Anyway, sad week,
00:00:54.400 a challenging week after Manchester, after Jews were attacked and killed while at prayer
00:00:59.680 on the holiest day of their religious calendar. After that, didn't you wonder, didn't you ask
00:01:05.300 yourself? Because I did. I wondered, out of all the monstrous acts of terror now happening in the West
00:01:11.720 with mind-numbing regularity, who is behind most of it? What homicidal ideology, more than the others,
00:01:19.660 is motivating the killers of innocent people. In Britain, analyst Andrew Fox, who I follow,
00:01:26.320 amazing guy, he had a clear answer hours after a man named Jihad, and that was his actual fucking 0.99
00:01:31.980 name, folks. That was the name his parents gave him, and nobody in Britain's police or intelligence 0.88
00:01:36.880 agencies apparently thought that was even somewhat worrisome. Jihad tried to kill Jews with his car
00:01:45.160 and then succeeded with a knife. Jihad, that was his name. Andrew is a remarkable guy. He's a former 0.99
00:01:50.920 airborne officer, now a PhD student of jihads in Gaza and Ukraine. You should follow him, and here's
00:01:57.100 what he wrote. Quote, fatal terror attacks in the UK since January 2000, total killed 109. Killed by
00:02:06.300 Islamist terrorists, 96. Please walk me through how people waving British flags, the far right, 0.51
00:02:13.340 and divisiveness are the issues the government should be most worried about. End quote.
00:02:18.800 That is a deeply disturbing statistic, and reading it and remembering how here in Canada, we're so
00:02:25.400 often scolded by Ottawa or the CBC and sometimes even the Toronto Star. I wanted to know, is the
00:02:31.700 greater threat coming from the far right terrorists or the Islamist terrorists? Is the situation in North
00:02:38.000 America similar to that of the United Kingdom? Or is it like official Ottawa always says, the monsters
00:02:44.600 likeliest to kill you are found in the far right? Now, I've written books about terrorism about the
00:02:53.060 far left and about the far right, and I honestly wasn't sure. The refrain from Ottawa is often relentless.
00:02:59.740 The bigger the threat, they say, is on the far right, not the Islamists. Okay. Anyway, there was one 0.98
00:03:05.560 peer-reviewed study done by the National Academy of Sciences in the U.S., and they said that after
00:03:11.500 9-11, there was a huge increase in Islamist terrorism driven by al-Qaeda or ISIS or their
00:03:17.080 affiliates. And then they said more recently, there had been an upsurge in right-wing political
00:03:23.700 extremism in countries around the world. But the issue, they said, whether there are systematic
00:03:29.380 differences between the political ideologies in the use of violence remains unsettled. So they say
00:03:35.120 it's unsettled. But then they went on to say in the United States, we find no difference between the
00:03:39.920 level of violence perpetrated by right-wing and Islamist extremists. However, differences in
00:03:46.600 violence emerge on the global level with Islamist extremists being more likely than right-wing extremists
00:03:52.880 to engage in more violent acts, end quote. And I'll get to that in a second. So in particular,
00:03:58.280 they found the far right extremists may engage in more acts of terror, but the Islamic ones are better at 1.00
00:04:04.840 killing people. Quote, Islamist terrorist organizations had significantly higher casualty 0.93
00:04:11.620 rates than other types of terrorist organizations, end quote. And the religious fervor of these groups,
00:04:17.760 the Islamic groups, the Academy speculated maybe why. In Canada, despite what the federal government
00:04:24.160 may sometimes tell us, the most authoritative study has actually been done by the ministry responsible,
00:04:30.140 the Federal Public Safety Canada Department. And their conclusion is this, this is a quote,
00:04:35.920 extremists motivated by violent Islamist ideology have been the main source of Canadian terrorism
00:04:42.980 since 2010, end quote. To reach that view, they consulted with CSIS, the RCMP, Canadian Border Services,
00:04:51.920 security and intelligence agencies all over the place, NATO, Five Eyes, G7, European Union,
00:04:57.800 Interpol. They talked to everybody. And the conclusion was unambiguous. Quote,
00:05:03.180 the main terrorist threat to Canada continues to stem from violent extremists inspired Islamic 1.00
00:05:09.580 terrorist groups. They continue to encourage followers abroad to employ simple attacks such as
00:05:17.040 the use of knives or vehicles to inflict harm on the civilian population, end quote, as was done to
00:05:22.980 the letter in Manchester. Now, public safety avoids, of course, placing a precise number on the problem.
00:05:29.100 And it sprinkles its report with occasional references to the far right. But their bottom line can't be
00:05:34.760 denied. Quote, the principal terrorist threat to Canada continues to be that posed by violent extremists
00:05:41.840 who are inspired by violent Islamist ideology, end quote. And as of 2017, they said, there were hundreds of them
00:05:50.420 in Canada. So, guys, in this way, we in Canada are not unlike the United Kingdom. The biggest threat we
00:05:57.720 face comes from Islamic terrorists. The only difference really is that those extremists have 0.98
00:06:03.380 killed fewer people here. Now, that can change, of course, and based on recent events in Washington and
00:06:09.220 Boulder and Nashua and Minneapolis and now Manchester, it likely will. And to some of us, it feels like we are
00:06:15.880 overdue.
00:06:45.880 And what you gonna do? And what's it gonna say? She's got a ring on her finger, so it's complicated.
00:06:52.880 She's got a ring on her finger, so it's complicated.
00:07:05.480 She's got a ring on her finger and so on me. Why couldn't you tell me you're here?
00:07:10.720 They ate the them used to see these. Just let me have to get killed. I'm coming home with my ears confiscated. 1.00
00:07:22.380 We love it!
00:07:25.660 We love it!
00:07:28.860 We love it!
00:07:30.600 We love it!
00:07:43.440 Hey
00:07:51.880 This is a great time for me.
00:08:21.880 This is a great time for me.
00:08:51.880 You and I have not talked a lot, probably because we are sane people, about the NDP and the fortunes of the NDP.
00:09:00.420 But you and I both know also that the fortunes of the NDP are actually quite important.
00:09:06.260 The Tories, in order to win, need the NDP to do better than they did this year in the election.
00:09:12.220 And the Liberals need to keep the NDP on the mat. 0.71
00:09:16.020 And looking at the clown show that is their leadership race, which is just a bunch of marginal people and anti-Semites from what I can see, 0.76
00:09:24.080 it doesn't look like the Tories are going to get what they need. 0.93
00:09:27.460 They need the NDP back in the game. 1.00
00:09:29.340 Or am I missing something?
00:09:30.500 Well, so we'll talk about the polling in a minute.
00:09:34.240 But first off, speaking of marginal people and anti-Semites,
00:09:37.800 Eve Engler is posting all over social media that he's released a bold plan,
00:09:43.160 except it doesn't appear that the website works or exists.
00:09:46.640 And he's claiming that he's been endorsed by J.S. Woodsworth,
00:09:50.500 the pacifist from the Second World War who didn't want us to fight Nazis.
00:09:55.000 Who's dead?
00:09:56.520 Yeah, who's dead?
00:09:58.240 Dead for many decades.
00:10:00.240 That's a high school name for him in Ottawa.
00:10:02.520 But he died many decades ago, as I said.
00:10:05.240 He was an MP during the Second World War.
00:10:07.460 He's also claiming an endorsement from the also-dead Tommy Douglas.
00:10:14.860 Come on, seriously?
00:10:16.820 Yeah, seriously, I can't remember who.
00:10:19.120 So if you're listening and it was your tweet,
00:10:21.260 my apologies for not having it open in front of me right now.
00:10:23.860 But someone did respond with,
00:10:26.440 well, I communed with William Lyon McKenzie,
00:10:29.040 and he assures me that neither of these men have endorsed Eve Engler.
00:10:33.660 Oh, that's awesome.
00:10:34.760 I needed that laugh.
00:10:36.140 Well, I mean, do you think,
00:10:38.740 my prediction is that Avi Lewis, who I used to know quite well,
00:10:42.840 I used to be on his show all the time on CBC,
00:10:45.160 is going to win, and he's the most credible candidate.
00:10:49.220 But, you know, he's another one who's more concerned about Gaza than Guelph.
00:10:52.420 You know, what do you think of the field of candidates that are there?
00:10:58.380 Can any of them get the NDP off the mat? 0.93
00:11:03.240 No, because, you know, Eve Engler,
00:11:06.880 it's a shame that the party has not denounced him and said,
00:11:09.880 we won't let him run. 0.99
00:11:11.020 He is a crank. 0.97
00:11:12.320 He is someone that, you know, 0.89
00:11:14.560 I believe in practicing good political hygiene,
00:11:16.920 and you don't let crazy people around your party. 0.99
00:11:20.360 And I think politically, this guy is absolutely crazy. 0.96
00:11:24.200 Heather McPherson is one who just is obsessed with Gaza.
00:11:30.780 She never wore a keffia in the House of Commons before October 7th,
00:11:33.920 and now that's her, you know, main issue.
00:11:37.960 And then even Avi Lewis, who, of course, Jewish background,
00:11:41.500 but who's he hanging out with?
00:11:42.840 Fred Hahn, who, you know, posted all about resistance by any means,
00:11:46.860 and glorified on October 7th,
00:11:48.780 and has made all kinds of statements.
00:11:51.000 So, look, it's,
00:11:54.160 I don't think the revival of the NDP is going to happen.
00:11:59.260 This is not Stephen Lewis or David Lewis or Ian Deans,
00:12:02.920 my old MP, who was, you know,
00:12:04.940 just a working class.
00:12:09.960 Regular schmo. 0.55
00:12:10.920 Little guy.
00:12:12.220 Yeah.
00:12:13.640 It's not that type of person anymore
00:12:16.000 who's looking to lead the NDP.
00:12:17.580 And Wab Kanu,
00:12:18.300 the most successful new Democrat in the country right now,
00:12:21.000 is smartly staying away from it.
00:12:23.600 And he's doing a good job of not focusing on those issues,
00:12:30.800 but not alienating his NDP base,
00:12:33.100 because, you know, he wants to win.
00:12:35.720 These guys don't want to win.
00:12:37.280 They don't even pretend to want to come near power.
00:12:39.640 Do the conservatives need the NDP higher to win?
00:12:44.040 Perhaps.
00:12:44.560 There's a lot of discussion in conservative circles
00:12:48.400 about what do we have to do to win in a two-party system now.
00:12:53.000 That the NDP will not come back.
00:12:57.740 Last election, they went to 4.9% in Toronto.
00:13:00.720 Or, sorry, in Ontario.
00:13:02.960 In the most recent poll that I've looked at was Angus Reid last week.
00:13:10.040 It had the conservatives ahead by three nationally with the liberals.
00:13:14.120 And a big part of the reason for that was the NDP bouncing back to 10%
00:13:17.760 in the country's biggest province.
00:13:20.440 But they can't rely on that.
00:13:22.020 And so conservatives are saying, how do we win?
00:13:24.300 That will lead to a lot of infighting between those who want their party
00:13:30.500 to win power and those who would rather win at the debating society
00:13:35.900 and never actually govern.
00:13:38.360 And that's always an ongoing thing inside the conservatives.
00:13:43.200 I mean, you could say the NDP would have that,
00:13:45.220 but in most places they don't govern.
00:13:47.220 And the liberals never have that discussion
00:13:48.920 because the liberals don't care about the principles
00:13:52.040 as long as they're governing.
00:13:53.140 All we cared about is winning.
00:13:55.480 And winning is all it is.
00:13:57.520 I say that with all respect, Warren.
00:14:00.100 It's an admirable trait in some respects.
00:14:03.140 You can implement exactly 0% of your policies if you win.
00:14:09.900 But, you know, the conservatives always have this,
00:14:12.240 are you pure enough?
00:14:13.260 They've got this shibboleth going on constantly.
00:14:15.760 And if, you know, you're not pure enough,
00:14:19.120 well, we won't support you.
00:14:20.580 And, like, they can be implementing 70% of the policies you like,
00:14:25.240 but you disagree on 30, so they'll fight you to the death.
00:14:29.300 It's so true. 0.84
00:14:30.260 And you've used the word shibboleth again.
00:14:32.180 God bless you for using that word.
00:14:35.040 It's a great word.
00:14:36.160 It is a great word.
00:14:37.360 I don't know if it applies to Mark Carney's world tour.
00:14:40.700 You actually had a very memorable phrase to describe his world tour.
00:14:45.540 What was it again? 0.98
00:14:47.160 Sweet fuck all tour? 1.00
00:14:50.160 The Mark Carney's... 0.99
00:14:51.160 Remember last Sunday, I was defending this.
00:14:53.800 I know.
00:14:54.260 I was defending his tour.
00:14:55.660 And then I looked at his itinerary.
00:14:58.020 And I went, well, wait a minute.
00:14:59.540 He just went to go hang out with other liberals.
00:15:02.500 His entire Friday itinerary was spent at the Global Progress Summit,
00:15:09.200 which is a summit put on by the Center for American Progress out of Washington, D.C.,
00:15:15.900 John Podesta's think tank of Democrats.
00:15:20.100 You're like, well, wait a minute.
00:15:21.880 On the news release announcing it, that was like the throwaway line at the end.
00:15:25.580 He'll do all these things.
00:15:26.580 And by the way, he will also attend the Global Progress Summit.
00:15:29.540 And then you get his daily schedule, and that's it.
00:15:32.860 It wasn't a prime ministerial tour.
00:15:34.640 To me, it looked like a Seinfeld episode.
00:15:37.260 Like, does it, you know, it was, you know, all about nothing.
00:15:41.100 Doesn't this stuff catch up to him sooner or later?
00:15:43.600 I mean, the polls are suggesting the Conservatives,
00:15:46.320 pure poly of notwithstanding, are getting competitive again.
00:15:49.620 You know, shouldn't the Liberals be looking at getting some wins up on the board
00:15:53.060 in the way that the Jays did so memorably last night?
00:15:56.720 Oh, I was at that game.
00:15:58.420 You were?
00:15:59.020 It was fantastic.
00:15:59.480 I've never seen the dome so electric in my life.
00:16:02.240 It was great.
00:16:02.920 I heard there were a lot of middle-aged people taking their shirts off.
00:16:06.220 Hopefully, you weren't one of them.
00:16:07.480 I thankfully did not see that.
00:16:12.160 Look, Carney, I thought the CEO of Enbridge put it really well this week.
00:16:18.960 We've got to get out of our own way.
00:16:20.260 And Carney has license to do all kinds of things that previously they couldn't have done,
00:16:26.960 but he's choosing not to do them.
00:16:28.380 He's being cautious.
00:16:29.180 On the American stuff, he had a chance for a deal or something with Trump,
00:16:37.700 and they were even telegraphing that.
00:16:40.960 Then they decided, oh, it's better for us politically to fight the guy.
00:16:44.600 Sure, it's hurting workers, but hey, our polling numbers are better if we fight with them.
00:16:50.600 And so they took that route all summer, which is unfortunate.
00:16:53.600 So now he's going down, and they're telegraphing again that they might get something.
00:16:59.340 They leaked to CTV the other day.
00:17:01.720 I think CTV had it first that they're hopeful to get some movement on tariffs.
00:17:08.760 Okay, great.
00:17:09.800 Well, I hope you do, but like the Enbridge CEO said, stop getting in our own way.
00:17:16.680 Take wins.
00:17:18.360 Take bold steps.
00:17:19.900 The economy needs it.
00:17:21.760 The country needs it.
00:17:22.920 And they're willing to give you that benefit of the doubt.
00:17:25.240 But if by the end of this year, he's still just talking about how great he is
00:17:30.540 and all the great things he's going to do, but he hasn't delivered,
00:17:34.520 then yeah, people are going to start to go, okay, all hat, no cattle. 0.97
00:17:39.660 And let me say, I fucking love that Enbridge CEO wearing a pro-Israel pin 0.96
00:17:45.820 when he gave that speech. 0.98
00:17:47.320 A friend of mine sent me the picture and said, do you see that?
00:17:50.280 I said, what is that?
00:17:51.160 He was wearing a pro-Israel pin.
00:17:55.300 It was pretty good to say.
00:17:56.200 God bless him.
00:17:57.020 God bless him.
00:17:57.900 Well, let's talk about the Middle East.
00:17:59.400 Obviously, we had the terrible, terrible, terrible events of Manchester this week,
00:18:04.680 following on the heels of Washington and Boulder and Nashua and Minneapolis.
00:18:08.780 We're seeing our Jewish brothers and sisters being killed in the streets around the West.
00:18:16.980 And along comes Donald Trump with a peace plan that was endorsed by precisely everybody,
00:18:26.560 but not so much Hamas.
00:18:29.140 I have a very pessimistic view, as you know, about Hamas and their willingness to accept peace. 0.72
00:18:37.000 I believe that they never will.
00:18:38.920 What's your take on what Trump is doing?
00:18:40.980 So far, he seems to be succeeding.
00:18:42.640 Well, he's got Qatar putting pressure on them.
00:18:46.300 The Prime Minister Sheikh Mohammed saying, you've got to accept this deal.
00:18:50.400 Pakistan has endorsed this deal.
00:18:52.560 Pakistan aids Israel. 0.96
00:18:53.540 It's one of those deals where not everyone gets what they want, to use a biblical term.
00:19:00.860 Everyone's got to put a bit of water in their wine.
00:19:04.280 And, all right, so let's try and go forward.
00:19:08.460 But Hamas kind of accepted it.
00:19:11.020 I was on the radio.
00:19:13.760 I was hosting on Newstalk 1010 on Friday when they announced that they were accepting some parts of it.
00:19:18.240 And I quickly found their statement in English and said, I don't think that Trump will accept this.
00:19:25.560 And he did.
00:19:27.620 I was surprised because they're saying, no, we're still going to be part of this and we don't want to disarm.
00:19:35.180 Okay.
00:19:35.820 Well, they said they'll give back the hostages.
00:19:38.760 That's good.
00:19:40.040 That has to be celebrated.
00:19:41.640 And they'll say it again.
00:19:42.680 Like, the UN came out and started making all these demands of what has to be in the peace deal.
00:19:46.880 And I thought, you guys have done nothing for two years. 0.99
00:19:49.420 Go to hell. 0.99
00:19:51.080 Yeah, exactly. 0.95
00:19:51.920 I got to say, there's two things that have happened that I really don't like.
00:19:55.340 And as you know, I'm no fan of America.
00:19:56.960 I believe he should have retired long ago.
00:19:59.060 But, you know, forcing him to phone the leadership in Qatar, who are one of the main state sponsors of terrorism in the world, and apologize to him. 0.63
00:20:08.360 I didn't like that.
00:20:09.240 And then ordering Israel to stop doing what it was doing in Gaza, fighting Hamas.
00:20:14.840 I didn't like that.
00:20:15.460 Like, is Trump, do you think, is there a risk to him assigning himself the role of kind of the overseer for the entire Middle East? 1.00
00:20:25.040 Couldn't that come back and bite him on the ass? 1.00
00:20:28.140 Yeah, it could. 1.00
00:20:30.320 He is trying to give himself that role, at least over Gaza, and this whole idea of Tony Blair running an international force and operation.
00:20:41.900 But, you know, just handing it back over to the Palestinian Authority, that's not going to work.
00:20:51.260 We saw what happened with Arafat.
00:20:53.000 You know, the closest I think we ever came was Clinton's Camp David deal, and that fell apart because they just, you know, last minute said, no, we'd rather kill Jews than have peace.
00:21:04.840 Yep.
00:21:05.820 Yep.
00:21:06.040 And so I'm worried that sort of thing will happen again.
00:21:10.180 You know, you've got to have some hope and move forward.
00:21:13.580 But, you know, you mentioned Manchester.
00:21:16.860 You and I were on a call with Laurie Goldstein doing videos on Thursday morning.
00:21:21.780 Yeah, I'm going to play that, too.
00:21:23.440 I'm going to play that on the show.
00:21:24.460 And it was shocking to hear him describe what it's like in Toronto synagogues. 1.00
00:21:29.820 This is everywhere.
00:21:31.800 And yesterday, thousands of people who have been demanding a ceasefire now since, like, before Israel started bombing in response to October 7th are still calling to globalize the Intifada.
00:21:43.880 So, you know, the thousands marching in our streets, some of whom I walked past on the way home from the Jays game last night, they don't want this war to end, which maybe says I should be on Trump's side on this and the side of all the Arab states and say, yeah, let's get behind this and push for it. 0.76
00:22:05.160 I, you know, I wish Carney and Starmer and Macron had held their fire and put pressure on Hamas to accept this. 0.67
00:22:14.140 Instead, they put pressure on Israel ahead of time, which strengthens Hamas and weakens Israel.
00:22:19.280 It does.
00:22:20.260 Well, this is a sad week.
00:22:22.620 It's the second anniversary of the October the 7th, terrible day in the history of the Jewish people and humanity.
00:22:28.740 We've got hostages still being held.
00:22:31.780 We've got wounds that are still being tended to.
00:22:35.160 But I'm speaking at a rally in Belleville on the 7th, so anybody who's around can come to that.
00:22:41.340 My partner, Enid, who you know well, is actually doing a LOX Festival talk today in Picton.
00:22:52.300 And I suspect you and I will both be writing about the significance of this week.
00:22:57.440 So, my friend, have a great week.
00:23:00.180 Have a great day.
00:23:01.180 Enjoy it.
00:23:01.940 And thanks for your wisdom, as always.
00:23:04.120 Thank you.
00:23:05.160 Thank you.
00:23:35.160 I should have known
00:23:37.460 What you said
00:23:41.400 Because the bitterness
00:23:43.140 Baved away
00:23:44.960 For all this tragedy
00:23:47.380 To go
00:23:48.580 To my
00:23:51.060 Michelle
00:23:52.160 I can't
00:23:55.340 I'm not the way I live
00:23:58.340 I'm so close enough
00:24:01.940 But I want you to know
00:24:06.340 I want you to know
00:24:10.340 I want you to go
00:24:12.340 I want you to go
00:24:14.340 I want you to go
00:24:17.340 I want you to go
00:24:19.340 I want you to go
00:24:22.340 And I'll be going
00:24:39.340 I want you to go
00:24:40.340 I want you to go
00:24:42.340 And I want you to follow
00:24:45.340 I want you to talk
00:24:47.340 Oh, for a long time
00:24:49.340 I want to get out of here
00:24:55.840 To my youthful
00:24:58.040 To my audience
00:24:59.660 I want to get out of here
00:25:02.200 Turn it out to show
00:25:05.860 I could not have played
00:25:09.500 When you're believing
00:25:11.440 I still want you to know
00:25:14.760 When I want you to know
00:25:44.760 I wanna be out of here
00:25:52.620 I wanna be out of here
00:25:56.520 I want you to show me
00:26:00.460 I want you to be a girl 0.99
00:26:30.460 I want you to be a girl 0.99
00:27:00.460 I want you to be a girl 0.99
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00:32:25.860 this it feels like it's only a matter of time i think there's you know i think there's a big
00:32:29.460 difference between the comfort level of those that you know sit here in canada and you know
00:32:34.580 might shout free palestine at a you know a street corner and ask people to honk their honk their
00:32:39.860 cars and uh you know honk their horns and and you know wear a keffiyeh in solidarity thinking that
00:32:45.700 they align with you know these these individuals who have a far far different view of what that
00:32:50.980 means you know these islamists that that will do something like this on on the holiest day of the 0.99
00:32:55.980 year for the for the jewish community and so i i hope we're better than that but i mean we've seen 0.63
00:33:01.000 you know we've seen gunshots through through synagogues we've seen fire bombings you know 0.98
00:33:05.260 we're the the only thing thankfully we haven't seen yet uh you know we've seen it south of the border
00:33:09.940 is is somebody get you know fatally hurt i i fear that that day could come well if i can jump in um
00:33:16.900 and i can understand why both of you would want to put it out of your mind it has happened here
00:33:21.820 it happened on parliament hill corporal perillo killed at the war memorial the day before a member
00:33:28.900 of the canadian armed forces killed in quebec mowed down by an islamist extremist uh who was motivated
00:33:35.320 by isis it has happened here already just not recently and as both of you said it's just a matter
00:33:42.380 of time all right well let's uh let's turn the page from that for a moment let's look south of
00:33:47.020 the border at the government shutdown it seems like this is something that pops up every few years
00:33:51.920 but i gotta wonder chris i i donald trump part of me thinks he he loves this because it's a great
00:33:58.280 excuse to start firing people i i i do agree with you ben you know i i joked uh the other day it just
00:34:05.200 feels like i'm so grateful that we don't have this concept of a government shutdown here in canadian
00:34:09.220 politics because it's such a headache um you know but it every couple years we have a government
00:34:14.560 shutdown and it's over something differently you know that the republicans have it the democrats
00:34:18.120 have it it's it's over a debt ceiling or a debt clock yeah uh i think i think the president in this
00:34:23.160 case relishes it i you know i joked about uh the other day about the the video he posted on his twitter
00:34:28.080 i mean it's absolutely absurd and so beneath the president but you know he put out a meme mocking the
00:34:33.600 mocking the democrats for wanting this shutdown so they could fund illegal aliens like that's 0.99
00:34:38.180 he really does enjoy this kind of politics it's you know it's a sad state but that's what occupies
00:34:43.660 the the oval office but it's the truth warren how do you see this playing out is this going to be a
00:34:48.080 long protracted battle or or is it going to are they going to find some swift resolution well i you
00:34:54.620 know i think he's looking at it as a game of chicken and let's face it he's pretty good at those
00:34:59.180 um and um so you know who's going to blink first is it going to be the democrat leadership or is it
00:35:06.380 going to be his team however there are smart republicans there's still some smart republicans
00:35:11.380 left who are in the new york times this morning cautiously warning the administration about being
00:35:17.360 careful what you wish for because you just might get it if you think back to the elon musk doge
00:35:23.160 fiasco you know they let go thousands of people at that point that was clearly something they wanted
00:35:30.320 to do with project 2025 they let go of thousands of people what are they doing they're hiring them
00:35:35.660 back because they found it for sure there is waste as all of us know in government there is excess but
00:35:42.160 a lot of those public servants perform valuable jobs they perform valuable tasks and now they've had
00:35:47.700 to walk it back and hire many of those people back so um that would be my advice to republicans is be
00:35:54.740 careful what you wish for because you just might get it i think i think you're probably right uh we
00:35:59.940 got to go back to the middle east uh for this next story because i don't it doesn't surprise me
00:36:05.440 uh that uh hamas's military leadership is uh not very bullish on donald trump's peace proposal
00:36:12.060 uh what do we what do we do chris i mean rinse and repeat ben i who who thought this was actually
00:36:20.500 going to work from from hamas's angle right like they they do not represent the the kind of peace
00:36:26.160 that everybody seems to think they do and so um i you know when the news story came out that you know
00:36:31.520 they'd reached a deal i i refuse to believe it i don't know if a deal can ever be reached so long as
00:36:36.620 hamas controls gaza this is what it's going to be and so we can we can clap our hands and applaud
00:36:43.020 the president for reaching a ceasefire deal but you need the other side to cease fire uh and agree
00:36:47.480 to ceasefire if it's if it's ever going to be a peace deal and it's just it never will be as long
00:36:51.340 as these guys control control gaza yeah warren i i don't understand why why we are we are we're giving
00:36:57.340 hamas uh so much um so much agency here they are they are the the loser in this war they are uh they're 0.94
00:37:05.760 going to they're either going to have the negotiated peace now or they're going to be destroyed by israel 0.90
00:37:10.120 later and so i i'm we didn't do this with japan we didn't do this with germany but this is not how
00:37:15.980 wars typically end and so the fact that they're they're balking at this to me it just shows how
00:37:21.800 just how there really is one set of rules for israel and one set of rules for everybody else
00:37:27.180 absolutely you're both right and you know what i always can call it encourage people to do what i
00:37:32.900 always say to people is hamas is very open actually about what their objectives are and
00:37:39.420 their objectives are perpetual all all-encompassing war if you look back at their 1988 charter which
00:37:47.560 they've never disavowed that is their supreme law not only do they oppose peace deals and ceasefire
00:37:55.680 with the zionist entity as they called israel they mock those who advance those suggestions 0.74
00:38:01.920 they mock those they they consider the plo too moderate but but don't they don't they take their 0.98
00:38:07.760 marching orders from someone else don't aren't there aren't there uh actors in the middle east that
00:38:14.240 they that they listen to that fund them that would that might appeal iran and qatar and iran is the
00:38:22.740 campaign manager in this information war and qatar is the banker i encourage everybody to check out
00:38:28.180 what i put on my social media this morning a leader from the saudi arabia talking about how poisonous how
00:38:34.020 toxic the qatari regime is and and their masters in iran so it's in their interest to destabilize the 1.00
00:38:41.940 west and destabilize israel and they're doing it and so to your point ben absolutely israel is going to
00:38:48.580 win the military war they were always going to win that but hamas and their side is winning the
00:38:56.020 information war take a look at what's happening around the world take a look at the polling it all
00:39:00.580 says the same thing you've got people who were otherwise reasonable now saying that israel is
00:39:05.300 committing genocide that tells you that hamas may be losing the military war but they're winning the 1.00
00:39:10.340 propaganda war all right well we're going to take a quick break uh chris i'm going to give you an
00:39:14.260 opportunity to to weigh in when we come back from the break but we're also going to be talking about
00:39:18.100 is a story about whether it's discrimination or just good detective work as well as could we be
00:39:24.820 seeing the end of daylight savings time daylight saving time thank you very much all right don't
00:39:30.580 go anywhere much more to come right here on the ben mulroney show
00:39:33.700 welcome back to the ben mulroney show welcome back to this week in politics our friday edition with
00:39:43.620 chris chapin and warren kinsella chris i was going to give you the final word on hamas throwing up their
00:39:49.220 hands and saying we don't want to play i mean it it is what it is that's it's the world we're going to
00:39:55.540 live in uh i think then um it's it's why i think the the only way this this truly ends is is letting israel
00:40:02.420 take it to its logical conclusion because uh left to their own devices i think warren nailed it they
00:40:07.940 they want to exterminate israel um and you know you've got a unstoppable force and an unmovable 1.00
00:40:13.860 object all right well we've got an army of people working at the cra i think we've got more people in
00:40:20.260 the cra than we have in the actual canadian armed forces and so they got to do stuff right and one of
00:40:25.220 the things that they've been tasked with is uh auditing a certain charities for potential terrorism links
00:40:32.420 and they were just under the microscope because they couldn't justify why they were auditing certain
00:40:40.020 muslim charities they were uh it was raising the possibility that some of their decisions were
00:40:45.460 driven by bias and discrimination and i i wonder warren what you think about that because i guess the
00:40:50.900 question is are were they profiling these people were they looking into these charities just because they
00:40:56.020 were run by muslims and they were muslim charities and i wonder what you think is that is that
00:41:00.900 profiling or is that just investigating uh no it wasn't profiling at all and um you know here i'm
00:41:09.860 going to do something unpopular i'm going to give credit to cra um like cra and finance have
00:41:17.060 decertified pro-palestinian charities in the past in the recent past for providing funding directly or
00:41:26.340 indirectly to groups like the pflp and hamas they've done that that's on the record like you can check
00:41:33.780 it out for yourself and i've done a lot of investigative reporting about this issue we have
00:41:39.380 a big problem with those charities instead what they focused on is going after jewish charities yeah who
00:41:46.660 are doing terrible things like building parks and planting trees in israel that's become the focus 0.86
00:41:52.900 of some people within cra and cra actually the union who represents most of the employees there
00:42:00.900 last august issued a statement calling for a crackdown on so-called jewish charities so no i think cbc fell for
00:42:09.060 this hook line and sinker yeah the issue isn't uh the the so-called muslim charities the issue is uh that
00:42:16.820 that they're not being scrutinized nearly enough well chris i i see this as if if you take what
00:42:22.420 warren said as gospel then then this is uh this is concerning because if any time you go and do your
00:42:29.940 job uh you are pushed back as uh somebody who's potentially violating the canadian charter of rights
00:42:36.000 and freedoms and or uh you are um espousing islamophobia that now you're getting into a place where
00:42:44.740 you're not allowing the watchers to do the watching yeah i you know i think we've we've seen this been
00:42:51.940 you know across different levels of our society though you know we've seen this with police work
00:42:56.320 for example uh the police being told they need to stop doing things that they had been doing for years
00:43:01.340 that kept community safe because you know it was biased you asked that question is this just good
00:43:05.680 detective work i i think so the purpose of these investigations is to determine whether these
00:43:10.740 charities are doing things that you know might potentially the keep canadians less safe and so
00:43:15.980 when they find it there's a reason to keep looking for it and and that's unfortunately the truth is we
00:43:21.140 we have seen stories of canadian charities being used to funnel money to terrorist organizations
00:43:25.960 uh that should be of concern to absolutely every canadian this is about what's right and what's wrong
00:43:31.800 not about inherent bias um you know we don't have a issue with jewish terrorism in north america you know
00:43:38.860 we have had issues with islamic terrorism in north america you know we're all old enough to remember
00:43:44.360 9-11 you know and and many other examples even warren cited earlier that you know there are concerns
00:43:49.600 with that and i i hope the cra keeps doing this work because it's the right thing to do all right well now
00:43:54.080 we've got to move to what is undoubtedly one of the most pressing important stories of the day and i
00:44:00.560 believe gentlemen that there are two types of people there are the people for whom changing the
00:44:05.420 clocks either going forward or coming back throws their entire life into chaos they can't sleep they
00:44:11.080 can't drive they can't concentrate they can't consummate their relationships life is terrible
00:44:16.500 and then there are people like me that just get over it and i wonder before we have this conversation
00:44:21.920 about getting rid of daylight saving time i want to know what kind of people you are chris tell me
00:44:26.060 i i cannot wait to get rid of this thing i'll tell you why i do a lot of work across the prairies with
00:44:31.920 our company and saskatchewan got rid of it a long time ago and so there's nothing more frustrating
00:44:37.220 than trying to figure out which hour or two hours they're behind when you're trying to schedule
00:44:41.680 meetings because sometimes they're aligned with our clients and the work we do in alberta and
00:44:45.560 sometimes they're aligned with who you know the work we do in manitoba and here in ontario where
00:44:49.460 they're an hour or two hours behind and i hate it because i'm from the center of the universe here in
00:44:53.860 toronto and i assume there's only one time zone and that's our time zone so me me trying to do the math
00:44:59.120 complicates everything every single time so i say get rid of this once and for all
00:45:03.280 chapin just use google hey google what time is it in regina it's not that complicated i try i have to
00:45:09.680 i feel like an idiot the number of times i google what time is it in regina you know ben i i've lost 0.96
00:45:14.720 track all right warren what kind of person are you chapin is a central canadian fascist 0.96
00:45:20.800 i am i am i i don't care about this issue like i care more about what taylor swift had for 0.67
00:45:29.760 breakfast than i care about this issue like these these suitcases under my eyes right here that you 1.00
00:45:35.740 can see they're not going to disappear it doesn't matter if we're springing ahead or falling back or
00:45:40.300 whatever like i never get it right a lot of people don't and uh so like i just don't care but for sure
00:45:47.600 you know for the pundit industry like the three of us are in um this is a lot of fun to talk about
00:45:53.840 i just i don't have an opinion on it i don't care either way just make your mind up and do it okay
00:45:58.280 well to that point to wit uh warren so marie france lallon the mp is planning to introduce a bill aimed
00:46:05.020 at ending daylight saving time but it's not a bill to end daylight saving time it's a bill to study it
00:46:10.280 and that is the most canadian most government uh thing you could possibly do like pick a lane
00:46:16.180 keep it get rid of it what is it but we don't need to study it do we chris i i i howled when i read the
00:46:22.900 article ben i i it was the most liberal thing that i could possibly come up with that you couldn't just
00:46:28.780 be definitive on keep it or get rid of it it's let's have the federal government i believe the
00:46:33.320 language is organize a conference with stakeholders that's what they formalize whether we would
00:46:38.220 aren't we all stakeholders in this anybody who like lives according to the clock don't we are
00:46:43.260 we all stakeholders like couldn't we just have like a push poll or something like all canadians
00:46:47.940 just answer one or two yeah that seems far easier or just make up our minds yeah warren the the fact
00:46:54.760 the fact that this is going to be is going to be turned into a a roundtable discussion with stakeholders
00:47:00.440 is it's just the government making busy work yeah i'm gonna sit here i gotta watch like i'm a
00:47:07.820 stakeholder too like but she's a very nice lady and um i like her a lot but can you think of a more
00:47:16.100 uniquely canadian response than to convene a conference to study an issue instead of actually
00:47:22.800 dealing with it again i i don't care it's just like guys like can we just stop talking about this
00:47:27.960 and move on to some of the more important subjects like the ones we were talking about earlier in the
00:47:32.000 show and focus on those this one seems to be a bit of a time waster but chapin that central canadian
00:47:38.200 solipsistic i get called when i'm out in regina
00:47:41.520 now we only have focused on his own needs we only about a minute left so in that time let me ask you
00:47:48.720 guys gonna watch the blue jays this weekend i can't wait yeah i think it should be it should
00:47:53.640 be a good series i uh we need to be able to beat up on the yankees and beat up on them well
00:47:57.540 i i can't believe we're here but we are but i can't i'm up in my cabin in the woods and i don't
00:48:04.260 have tv here so i'm gonna have to listen do it the old-fashioned way listen to the radio yeah but
00:48:08.680 you got wi-fi we're clearly talking to you right now you could you could watch you i mean clearly
00:48:13.160 you got that no yeah i guess so i guess i could do that but uh no i i actually like listening to
00:48:20.040 games when i'm driving on the radio um you know because i mean i'm not trying to you know butter your
00:48:26.640 your your toast here ben but i i think radio guys describe games better than tv guys i find
00:48:34.260 it more compelling yeah it's a tougher job for guys like you and and i enjoy it more well fortunately
00:48:39.600 that is not in my wheelhouse i will tell you though those that the the tv guys uh one day i was years
00:48:45.340 ago i was watching a i was watching a cubs game and i think it was on i think it was on father's day
00:48:50.740 and the the guys had just run out of steam they had run out of things to say and the guy says
00:48:55.920 and uh today's father's day so to all you fathers out there happy birthday my favorite line ever from
00:49:05.520 any uh any sports guy ever uh calling the game anyway guys thank you so much have a great weekend
00:49:10.220 really appreciate your insights today and we'll see you next week take care see you guys
00:49:14.580 i can't believe life's so complex when i just wanna sit here and want to undress
00:49:32.860 i can't believe life's so complex when i just wanna sit here and want to undress
00:49:41.220 this is love this is love this is love that i'm feeling does it have to be a life full of dread
00:50:02.560 wanna chase you around the table wanna touch your head does it have to be a life full of dread
00:50:11.040 wanna chase you around the table wanna touch your head this is love this is love this is love
00:50:17.780 that i'm feeling this is love this is love that i'm feeling this is love
00:50:25.180 love that i'm feeling
00:50:37.760 Suffering when you taste so good
00:50:41.140 I can't believe that the axis turns
00:50:45.480 I'm suffering when my head it burns
00:50:49.500 That love, love, love that I'm feeling
00:50:53.340 This is love, this is love that I'm feeling
00:50:57.580 This is love, love, love that I'm feeling
00:51:01.920 Even in the summer, even in the spring
00:51:11.620 We'll never get to watch a wonderful day
00:51:31.920 You're the only story that I've never told
00:51:36.360 You're my dirty little secret, wanna keep your soul
00:51:40.700 You're the only story that I've never been told 0.99
00:51:44.920 You're my dirty little secret, wanna keep your soul 0.53
00:51:49.480 Come on out, come on over, help me forget 0.82
00:51:53.460 Keep the walls from falling as they're jumbling in
00:51:57.920 Come on out, come on over, help me forget
00:52:02.060 Keep the walls from falling as they're jumbling in
00:52:06.540 Keep the walls from falling as they're jumbling in
00:52:10.620 This is love, this is love that I'm feeling
00:52:14.380 This is love, this is love that I'm feeling
00:52:18.640 This is love, this is love that I'm feeling
00:52:22.600 This is love, love, love that I'm feeling
00:52:27.220 This is love, this is love that I'm feeling
00:52:31.480 This is love, love, love that I'm feeling
00:52:35.840 This is love, love, love that I'm feeling
00:52:39.940 This is love, this is love that I'm feeling
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