kinsellacast - October 05, 2025


KINSELLACAST 382： A sad week and sad anniversary - with Lilley, Mulroney, Batra, Goldstein and Chapin - plus many great tunes


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1 hour and 11 minutes

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103.83602

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7,452

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00:00:00.000 It's the KinsellaCast starring Warren Kinsella.
00:00:15.120 Hey, it's Warren. Welcome to KinsellaCast. If I sound rushed, it's because I am.
00:00:20.180 The Prince Edward County Locks Festival, a celebration of Jewish food and culture, is taking
00:00:24.840 place all weekend. And he is leading a big session at noon, and I've got to get there
00:00:31.420 to it. I just got back from the cabin, and it's going to be awesome. And I've got on this awesome
00:00:37.600 show, Brian Lilly, Ben Maroney, Chris Chapin, Laurie Goldstein, Adrian Batra, and tons of great music
00:00:43.260 pursuant to a request from Martin Dixon. He said he wanted more music. So Martin, here's some more
00:00:48.360 music for you. You've got to guess, however, who the artists and who the songs are. Anyway, sad week,
00:00:54.400 a challenging week after Manchester, after Jews were attacked and killed while at prayer
00:00:59.680 on the holiest day of their religious calendar. After that, didn't you wonder, didn't you ask
00:01:05.300 yourself? Because I did. I wondered, out of all the monstrous acts of terror now happening in the West
00:01:11.720 with mind-numbing regularity, who is behind most of it? What homicidal ideology, more than the others,
00:01:19.660 is motivating the killers of innocent people. In Britain, analyst Andrew Fox, who I follow,
00:01:26.320 amazing guy, he had a clear answer hours after a man named Jihad, and that was his actual fucking
00:01:31.980 name, folks. That was the name his parents gave him, and nobody in Britain's police or intelligence
00:01:36.880 agencies apparently thought that was even somewhat worrisome. Jihad tried to kill Jews with his car
00:01:45.160 and then succeeded with a knife. Jihad, that was his name. Andrew is a remarkable guy. He's a former
00:01:50.920 airborne officer, now a PhD student of jihads in Gaza and Ukraine. You should follow him, and here's
00:01:57.100 what he wrote. Quote, fatal terror attacks in the UK since January 2000, total killed 109. Killed by
00:02:06.300 Islamist terrorists, 96. Please walk me through how people waving British flags, the far right,
00:02:13.340 and divisiveness are the issues the government should be most worried about. End quote.
00:02:18.800 That is a deeply disturbing statistic, and reading it and remembering how here in Canada, we're so
00:02:25.400 often scolded by Ottawa or the CBC and sometimes even the Toronto Star. I wanted to know, is the
00:02:31.700 greater threat coming from the far right terrorists or the Islamist terrorists? Is the situation in North
00:02:38.000 America similar to that of the United Kingdom? Or is it like official Ottawa always says, the monsters
00:02:44.600 likeliest to kill you are found in the far right? Now, I've written books about terrorism about the
00:02:53.060 far left and about the far right, and I honestly wasn't sure. The refrain from Ottawa is often relentless.
00:02:59.740 The bigger the threat, they say, is on the far right, not the Islamists. Okay. Anyway, there was one
00:03:05.560 peer-reviewed study done by the National Academy of Sciences in the U.S., and they said that after
00:03:11.500 9-11, there was a huge increase in Islamist terrorism driven by al-Qaeda or ISIS or their
00:03:17.080 affiliates. And then they said more recently, there had been an upsurge in right-wing political
00:03:23.700 extremism in countries around the world. But the issue, they said, whether there are systematic
00:03:29.380 differences between the political ideologies in the use of violence remains unsettled. So they say
00:03:35.120 it's unsettled. But then they went on to say in the United States, we find no difference between the
00:03:39.920 level of violence perpetrated by right-wing and Islamist extremists. However, differences in
00:03:46.600 violence emerge on the global level with Islamist extremists being more likely than right-wing extremists
00:03:52.880 to engage in more violent acts, end quote. And I'll get to that in a second. So in particular,
00:03:58.280 they found the far right extremists may engage in more acts of terror, but the Islamic ones are better at
00:04:04.840 killing people. Quote, Islamist terrorist organizations had significantly higher casualty
00:04:11.620 rates than other types of terrorist organizations, end quote. And the religious fervor of these groups,
00:04:17.760 the Islamic groups, the Academy speculated maybe why. In Canada, despite what the federal government
00:04:24.160 may sometimes tell us, the most authoritative study has actually been done by the ministry responsible,
00:04:30.140 the Federal Public Safety Canada Department. And their conclusion is this, this is a quote,
00:04:35.920 extremists motivated by violent Islamist ideology have been the main source of Canadian terrorism
00:04:42.980 since 2010, end quote. To reach that view, they consulted with CSIS, the RCMP, Canadian Border Services,
00:04:51.920 security and intelligence agencies all over the place, NATO, Five Eyes, G7, European Union,
00:04:57.800 Interpol. They talked to everybody. And the conclusion was unambiguous. Quote,
00:05:03.180 the main terrorist threat to Canada continues to stem from violent extremists inspired Islamic
00:05:09.580 terrorist groups. They continue to encourage followers abroad to employ simple attacks such as
00:05:17.040 the use of knives or vehicles to inflict harm on the civilian population, end quote, as was done to
00:05:22.980 the letter in Manchester. Now, public safety avoids, of course, placing a precise number on the problem.
00:05:29.100 And it sprinkles its report with occasional references to the far right. But their bottom line can't be
00:05:34.760 denied. Quote, the principal terrorist threat to Canada continues to be that posed by violent extremists
00:05:41.840 who are inspired by violent Islamist ideology, end quote. And as of 2017, they said, there were hundreds of them
00:05:50.420 in Canada. So, guys, in this way, we in Canada are not unlike the United Kingdom. The biggest threat we
00:05:57.720 face comes from Islamic terrorists. The only difference really is that those extremists have
00:06:03.380 killed fewer people here. Now, that can change, of course, and based on recent events in Washington and
00:06:09.220 Boulder and Nashua and Minneapolis and now Manchester, it likely will. And to some of us, it feels like we are
00:06:15.880 overdue.
00:06:45.880 And what you gonna do? And what's it gonna say? She's got a ring on her finger, so it's complicated.
00:06:52.880 She's got a ring on her finger, so it's complicated.
00:07:05.480 She's got a ring on her finger and so on me. Why couldn't you tell me you're here?
00:07:10.720 They ate the them used to see these. Just let me have to get killed. I'm coming home with my ears confiscated.
00:07:22.380 We love it!
00:07:25.660 We love it!
00:07:28.860 We love it!
00:07:30.600 We love it!
00:07:43.440 Hey
00:07:51.880 This is a great time for me.
00:08:21.880 This is a great time for me.
00:08:51.880 You and I have not talked a lot, probably because we are sane people, about the NDP and the fortunes of the NDP.
00:09:00.420 But you and I both know also that the fortunes of the NDP are actually quite important.
00:09:06.260 The Tories, in order to win, need the NDP to do better than they did this year in the election.
00:09:12.220 And the Liberals need to keep the NDP on the mat.
00:09:16.020 And looking at the clown show that is their leadership race, which is just a bunch of marginal people and anti-Semites from what I can see,
00:09:24.080 it doesn't look like the Tories are going to get what they need.
00:09:27.460 They need the NDP back in the game.
00:09:29.340 Or am I missing something?
00:09:30.500 Well, so we'll talk about the polling in a minute.
00:09:34.240 But first off, speaking of marginal people and anti-Semites,
00:09:37.800 Eve Engler is posting all over social media that he's released a bold plan,
00:09:43.160 except it doesn't appear that the website works or exists.
00:09:46.640 And he's claiming that he's been endorsed by J.S. Woodsworth,
00:09:50.500 the pacifist from the Second World War who didn't want us to fight Nazis.
00:09:55.000 Who's dead?
00:09:56.520 Yeah, who's dead?
00:09:58.240 Dead for many decades.
00:10:00.240 That's a high school name for him in Ottawa.
00:10:02.520 But he died many decades ago, as I said.
00:10:05.240 He was an MP during the Second World War.
00:10:07.460 He's also claiming an endorsement from the also-dead Tommy Douglas.
00:10:14.860 Come on, seriously?
00:10:16.820 Yeah, seriously, I can't remember who.
00:10:19.120 So if you're listening and it was your tweet,
00:10:21.260 my apologies for not having it open in front of me right now.
00:10:23.860 But someone did respond with,
00:10:26.440 well, I communed with William Lyon McKenzie,
00:10:29.040 and he assures me that neither of these men have endorsed Eve Engler.
00:10:33.660 Oh, that's awesome.
00:10:34.760 I needed that laugh.
00:10:36.140 Well, I mean, do you think,
00:10:38.740 my prediction is that Avi Lewis, who I used to know quite well,
00:10:42.840 I used to be on his show all the time on CBC,
00:10:45.160 is going to win, and he's the most credible candidate.
00:10:49.220 But, you know, he's another one who's more concerned about Gaza than Guelph.
00:10:52.420 You know, what do you think of the field of candidates that are there?
00:10:58.380 Can any of them get the NDP off the mat?
00:11:03.240 No, because, you know, Eve Engler,
00:11:06.880 it's a shame that the party has not denounced him and said,
00:11:09.880 we won't let him run.
00:11:11.020 He is a crank.
00:11:12.320 He is someone that, you know,
00:11:14.560 I believe in practicing good political hygiene,
00:11:16.920 and you don't let crazy people around your party.
00:11:20.360 And I think politically, this guy is absolutely crazy.
00:11:24.200 Heather McPherson is one who just is obsessed with Gaza.
00:11:30.780 She never wore a keffia in the House of Commons before October 7th,
00:11:33.920 and now that's her, you know, main issue.
00:11:37.960 And then even Avi Lewis, who, of course, Jewish background,
00:11:41.500 but who's he hanging out with?
00:11:42.840 Fred Hahn, who, you know, posted all about resistance by any means,
00:11:46.860 and glorified on October 7th,
00:11:48.780 and has made all kinds of statements.
00:11:51.000 So, look, it's,
00:11:54.160 I don't think the revival of the NDP is going to happen.
00:11:59.260 This is not Stephen Lewis or David Lewis or Ian Deans,
00:12:02.920 my old MP, who was, you know,
00:12:04.940 just a working class.
00:12:09.960 Regular schmo.
00:12:10.920 Little guy.
00:12:12.220 Yeah.
00:12:13.640 It's not that type of person anymore
00:12:16.000 who's looking to lead the NDP.
00:12:17.580 And Wab Kanu,
00:12:18.300 the most successful new Democrat in the country right now,
00:12:21.000 is smartly staying away from it.
00:12:23.600 And he's doing a good job of not focusing on those issues,
00:12:30.800 but not alienating his NDP base,
00:12:33.100 because, you know, he wants to win.
00:12:35.720 These guys don't want to win.
00:12:37.280 They don't even pretend to want to come near power.
00:12:39.640 Do the conservatives need the NDP higher to win?
00:12:44.040 Perhaps.
00:12:44.560 There's a lot of discussion in conservative circles
00:12:48.400 about what do we have to do to win in a two-party system now.
00:12:53.000 That the NDP will not come back.
00:12:57.740 Last election, they went to 4.9% in Toronto.
00:13:00.720 Or, sorry, in Ontario.
00:13:02.960 In the most recent poll that I've looked at was Angus Reid last week.
00:13:10.040 It had the conservatives ahead by three nationally with the liberals.
00:13:14.120 And a big part of the reason for that was the NDP bouncing back to 10%
00:13:17.760 in the country's biggest province.
00:13:20.440 But they can't rely on that.
00:13:22.020 And so conservatives are saying, how do we win?
00:13:24.300 That will lead to a lot of infighting between those who want their party
00:13:30.500 to win power and those who would rather win at the debating society
00:13:35.900 and never actually govern.
00:13:38.360 And that's always an ongoing thing inside the conservatives.
00:13:43.200 I mean, you could say the NDP would have that,
00:13:45.220 but in most places they don't govern.
00:13:47.220 And the liberals never have that discussion
00:13:48.920 because the liberals don't care about the principles
00:13:52.040 as long as they're governing.
00:13:53.140 All we cared about is winning.
00:13:55.480 And winning is all it is.
00:13:57.520 I say that with all respect, Warren.
00:14:00.100 It's an admirable trait in some respects.
00:14:03.140 You can implement exactly 0% of your policies if you win.
00:14:09.900 But, you know, the conservatives always have this,
00:14:12.240 are you pure enough?
00:14:13.260 They've got this shibboleth going on constantly.
00:14:15.760 And if, you know, you're not pure enough,
00:14:19.120 well, we won't support you.
00:14:20.580 And, like, they can be implementing 70% of the policies you like,
00:14:25.240 but you disagree on 30, so they'll fight you to the death.
00:14:29.300 It's so true.
00:14:30.260 And you've used the word shibboleth again.
00:14:32.180 God bless you for using that word.
00:14:35.040 It's a great word.
00:14:36.160 It is a great word.
00:14:37.360 I don't know if it applies to Mark Carney's world tour.
00:14:40.700 You actually had a very memorable phrase to describe his world tour.
00:14:45.540 What was it again?
00:14:47.160 Sweet fuck all tour?
00:14:50.160 The Mark Carney's...
00:14:51.160 Remember last Sunday, I was defending this.
00:14:53.800 I know.
00:14:54.260 I was defending his tour.
00:14:55.660 And then I looked at his itinerary.
00:14:58.020 And I went, well, wait a minute.
00:14:59.540 He just went to go hang out with other liberals.
00:15:02.500 His entire Friday itinerary was spent at the Global Progress Summit,
00:15:09.200 which is a summit put on by the Center for American Progress out of Washington, D.C.,
00:15:15.900 John Podesta's think tank of Democrats.
00:15:20.100 You're like, well, wait a minute.
00:15:21.880 On the news release announcing it, that was like the throwaway line at the end.
00:15:25.580 He'll do all these things.
00:15:26.580 And by the way, he will also attend the Global Progress Summit.
00:15:29.540 And then you get his daily schedule, and that's it.
00:15:32.860 It wasn't a prime ministerial tour.
00:15:34.640 To me, it looked like a Seinfeld episode.
00:15:37.260 Like, does it, you know, it was, you know, all about nothing.
00:15:41.100 Doesn't this stuff catch up to him sooner or later?
00:15:43.600 I mean, the polls are suggesting the Conservatives,
00:15:46.320 pure poly of notwithstanding, are getting competitive again.
00:15:49.620 You know, shouldn't the Liberals be looking at getting some wins up on the board
00:15:53.060 in the way that the Jays did so memorably last night?
00:15:56.720 Oh, I was at that game.
00:15:58.420 You were?
00:15:59.020 It was fantastic.
00:15:59.480 I've never seen the dome so electric in my life.
00:16:02.240 It was great.
00:16:02.920 I heard there were a lot of middle-aged people taking their shirts off.
00:16:06.220 Hopefully, you weren't one of them.
00:16:07.480 I thankfully did not see that.
00:16:12.160 Look, Carney, I thought the CEO of Enbridge put it really well this week.
00:16:18.960 We've got to get out of our own way.
00:16:20.260 And Carney has license to do all kinds of things that previously they couldn't have done,
00:16:26.960 but he's choosing not to do them.
00:16:28.380 He's being cautious.
00:16:29.180 On the American stuff, he had a chance for a deal or something with Trump,
00:16:37.700 and they were even telegraphing that.
00:16:40.960 Then they decided, oh, it's better for us politically to fight the guy.
00:16:44.600 Sure, it's hurting workers, but hey, our polling numbers are better if we fight with them.
00:16:50.600 And so they took that route all summer, which is unfortunate.
00:16:53.600 So now he's going down, and they're telegraphing again that they might get something.
00:16:59.340 They leaked to CTV the other day.
00:17:01.720 I think CTV had it first that they're hopeful to get some movement on tariffs.
00:17:08.760 Okay, great.
00:17:09.800 Well, I hope you do, but like the Enbridge CEO said, stop getting in our own way.
00:17:16.680 Take wins.
00:17:18.360 Take bold steps.
00:17:19.900 The economy needs it.
00:17:21.760 The country needs it.
00:17:22.920 And they're willing to give you that benefit of the doubt.
00:17:25.240 But if by the end of this year, he's still just talking about how great he is
00:17:30.540 and all the great things he's going to do, but he hasn't delivered,
00:17:34.520 then yeah, people are going to start to go, okay, all hat, no cattle.
00:17:39.660 And let me say, I fucking love that Enbridge CEO wearing a pro-Israel pin
00:17:45.820 when he gave that speech.
00:17:47.320 A friend of mine sent me the picture and said, do you see that?
00:17:50.280 I said, what is that?
00:17:51.160 He was wearing a pro-Israel pin.
00:17:55.300 It was pretty good to say.
00:17:56.200 God bless him.
00:17:57.020 God bless him.
00:17:57.900 Well, let's talk about the Middle East.
00:17:59.400 Obviously, we had the terrible, terrible, terrible events of Manchester this week,
00:18:04.680 following on the heels of Washington and Boulder and Nashua and Minneapolis.
00:18:08.780 We're seeing our Jewish brothers and sisters being killed in the streets around the West.
00:18:16.980 And along comes Donald Trump with a peace plan that was endorsed by precisely everybody,
00:18:26.560 but not so much Hamas.
00:18:29.140 I have a very pessimistic view, as you know, about Hamas and their willingness to accept peace.
00:18:37.000 I believe that they never will.
00:18:38.920 What's your take on what Trump is doing?
00:18:40.980 So far, he seems to be succeeding.
00:18:42.640 Well, he's got Qatar putting pressure on them.
00:18:46.300 The Prime Minister Sheikh Mohammed saying, you've got to accept this deal.
00:18:50.400 Pakistan has endorsed this deal.
00:18:52.560 Pakistan aids Israel.
00:18:53.540 It's one of those deals where not everyone gets what they want, to use a biblical term.
00:19:00.860 Everyone's got to put a bit of water in their wine.
00:19:04.280 And, all right, so let's try and go forward.
00:19:08.460 But Hamas kind of accepted it.
00:19:11.020 I was on the radio.
00:19:13.760 I was hosting on Newstalk 1010 on Friday when they announced that they were accepting some parts of it.
00:19:18.240 And I quickly found their statement in English and said, I don't think that Trump will accept this.
00:19:25.560 And he did.
00:19:27.620 I was surprised because they're saying, no, we're still going to be part of this and we don't want to disarm.
00:19:35.180 Okay.
00:19:35.820 Well, they said they'll give back the hostages.
00:19:38.760 That's good.
00:19:40.040 That has to be celebrated.
00:19:41.640 And they'll say it again.
00:19:42.680 Like, the UN came out and started making all these demands of what has to be in the peace deal.
00:19:46.880 And I thought, you guys have done nothing for two years.
00:19:49.420 Go to hell.
00:19:51.080 Yeah, exactly.
00:19:51.920 I got to say, there's two things that have happened that I really don't like.
00:19:55.340 And as you know, I'm no fan of America.
00:19:56.960 I believe he should have retired long ago.
00:19:59.060 But, you know, forcing him to phone the leadership in Qatar, who are one of the main state sponsors of terrorism in the world, and apologize to him.
00:20:08.360 I didn't like that.
00:20:09.240 And then ordering Israel to stop doing what it was doing in Gaza, fighting Hamas.
00:20:14.840 I didn't like that.
00:20:15.460 Like, is Trump, do you think, is there a risk to him assigning himself the role of kind of the overseer for the entire Middle East?
00:20:25.040 Couldn't that come back and bite him on the ass?
00:20:28.140 Yeah, it could.
00:20:30.320 He is trying to give himself that role, at least over Gaza, and this whole idea of Tony Blair running an international force and operation.
00:20:41.900 But, you know, just handing it back over to the Palestinian Authority, that's not going to work.
00:20:51.260 We saw what happened with Arafat.
00:20:53.000 You know, the closest I think we ever came was Clinton's Camp David deal, and that fell apart because they just, you know, last minute said, no, we'd rather kill Jews than have peace.
00:21:04.840 Yep.
00:21:05.820 Yep.
00:21:06.040 And so I'm worried that sort of thing will happen again.
00:21:10.180 You know, you've got to have some hope and move forward.
00:21:13.580 But, you know, you mentioned Manchester.
00:21:16.860 You and I were on a call with Laurie Goldstein doing videos on Thursday morning.
00:21:21.780 Yeah, I'm going to play that, too.
00:21:23.440 I'm going to play that on the show.
00:21:24.460 And it was shocking to hear him describe what it's like in Toronto synagogues.
00:21:29.820 This is everywhere.
00:21:31.800 And yesterday, thousands of people who have been demanding a ceasefire now since, like, before Israel started bombing in response to October 7th are still calling to globalize the Intifada.
00:21:43.880 So, you know, the thousands marching in our streets, some of whom I walked past on the way home from the Jays game last night, they don't want this war to end, which maybe says I should be on Trump's side on this and the side of all the Arab states and say, yeah, let's get behind this and push for it.
00:22:05.160 I, you know, I wish Carney and Starmer and Macron had held their fire and put pressure on Hamas to accept this.
00:22:14.140 Instead, they put pressure on Israel ahead of time, which strengthens Hamas and weakens Israel.
00:22:19.280 It does.
00:22:20.260 Well, this is a sad week.
00:22:22.620 It's the second anniversary of the October the 7th, terrible day in the history of the Jewish people and humanity.
00:22:28.740 We've got hostages still being held.
00:22:31.780 We've got wounds that are still being tended to.
00:22:35.160 But I'm speaking at a rally in Belleville on the 7th, so anybody who's around can come to that.
00:22:41.340 My partner, Enid, who you know well, is actually doing a LOX Festival talk today in Picton.
00:22:52.300 And I suspect you and I will both be writing about the significance of this week.
00:22:57.440 So, my friend, have a great week.
00:23:00.180 Have a great day.
00:23:01.180 Enjoy it.
00:23:01.940 And thanks for your wisdom, as always.
00:23:04.120 Thank you.
00:23:05.160 Thank you.
00:23:35.160 I should have known
00:23:37.460 What you said
00:23:41.400 Because the bitterness
00:23:43.140 Baved away
00:23:44.960 For all this tragedy
00:23:47.380 To go
00:23:48.580 To my
00:23:51.060 Michelle
00:23:52.160 I can't
00:23:55.340 I'm not the way I live
00:23:58.340 I'm so close enough
00:24:01.940 But I want you to know
00:24:06.340 I want you to know
00:24:10.340 I want you to go
00:24:12.340 I want you to go
00:24:14.340 I want you to go
00:24:17.340 I want you to go
00:24:19.340 I want you to go
00:24:22.340 And I'll be going
00:24:39.340 I want you to go
00:24:40.340 I want you to go
00:24:42.340 And I want you to follow
00:24:45.340 I want you to talk
00:24:47.340 Oh, for a long time
00:24:49.340 I want to get out of here
00:24:55.840 To my youthful
00:24:58.040 To my audience
00:24:59.660 I want to get out of here
00:25:02.200 Turn it out to show
00:25:05.860 I could not have played
00:25:09.500 When you're believing
00:25:11.440 I still want you to know
00:25:14.760 When I want you to know
00:25:44.760 I wanna be out of here
00:25:52.620 I wanna be out of here
00:25:56.520 I want you to show me
00:26:00.460 I want you to be a girl
00:26:30.460 I want you to be a girl
00:27:00.460 I want you to be a girl
00:27:30.440 I want you to be a girl
00:28:00.440 I want you to be a girl
00:28:30.420 I want you to be a girl
00:29:00.400 I want you to be a girl
00:29:30.380 I want you to be a girl
00:30:00.360 I want you to be a girl
00:30:30.340 and the Jewish people are known to come together to get ready for what is the new year in their calendar
00:31:06.420 I want you to be a girl
00:31:12.420 I want you to be a girl
00:31:18.420 I want you to be a girl
00:31:24.420 I want you to be a girl
00:31:32.420 I want you to be a girl
00:31:40.420 I want you to be a girl
00:31:48.420 I want you to be a girl
00:31:49.420 I want you to be a girl
00:31:51.420 I want you to be a girl
00:31:53.420 I want you to be a girl
00:31:55.420 I want you to be a girl
00:31:56.420 I want you to be a girl
00:32:01.420 I want you to be a girl
00:32:03.420 I want you to be a girl
00:32:04.420 I want you to be a girl
00:32:09.420 I want you to be a girl
00:32:10.420 I want you to be a girl
00:32:15.420 You're a girl
00:32:22.000 You're a girl
00:32:22.420 I want you to be a girl
00:32:23.420 I want you to be a girl
00:32:25.860 this it feels like it's only a matter of time i think there's you know i think there's a big
00:32:29.460 difference between the comfort level of those that you know sit here in canada and you know
00:32:34.580 might shout free palestine at a you know a street corner and ask people to honk their honk their
00:32:39.860 cars and uh you know honk their horns and and you know wear a keffiyeh in solidarity thinking that
00:32:45.700 they align with you know these these individuals who have a far far different view of what that
00:32:50.980 means you know these islamists that that will do something like this on on the holiest day of the
00:32:55.980 year for the for the jewish community and so i i hope we're better than that but i mean we've seen
00:33:01.000 you know we've seen gunshots through through synagogues we've seen fire bombings you know
00:33:05.260 we're the the only thing thankfully we haven't seen yet uh you know we've seen it south of the border
00:33:09.940 is is somebody get you know fatally hurt i i fear that that day could come well if i can jump in um
00:33:16.900 and i can understand why both of you would want to put it out of your mind it has happened here
00:33:21.820 it happened on parliament hill corporal perillo killed at the war memorial the day before a member
00:33:28.900 of the canadian armed forces killed in quebec mowed down by an islamist extremist uh who was motivated
00:33:35.320 by isis it has happened here already just not recently and as both of you said it's just a matter
00:33:42.380 of time all right well let's uh let's turn the page from that for a moment let's look south of
00:33:47.020 the border at the government shutdown it seems like this is something that pops up every few years
00:33:51.920 but i gotta wonder chris i i donald trump part of me thinks he he loves this because it's a great
00:33:58.280 excuse to start firing people i i i do agree with you ben you know i i joked uh the other day it just
00:34:05.200 feels like i'm so grateful that we don't have this concept of a government shutdown here in canadian
00:34:09.220 politics because it's such a headache um you know but it every couple years we have a government
00:34:14.560 shutdown and it's over something differently you know that the republicans have it the democrats
00:34:18.120 have it it's it's over a debt ceiling or a debt clock yeah uh i think i think the president in this
00:34:23.160 case relishes it i you know i joked about uh the other day about the the video he posted on his twitter
00:34:28.080 i mean it's absolutely absurd and so beneath the president but you know he put out a meme mocking the
00:34:33.600 mocking the democrats for wanting this shutdown so they could fund illegal aliens like that's
00:34:38.180 he really does enjoy this kind of politics it's you know it's a sad state but that's what occupies
00:34:43.660 the the oval office but it's the truth warren how do you see this playing out is this going to be a
00:34:48.080 long protracted battle or or is it going to are they going to find some swift resolution well i you
00:34:54.620 know i think he's looking at it as a game of chicken and let's face it he's pretty good at those
00:34:59.180 um and um so you know who's going to blink first is it going to be the democrat leadership or is it
00:35:06.380 going to be his team however there are smart republicans there's still some smart republicans
00:35:11.380 left who are in the new york times this morning cautiously warning the administration about being
00:35:17.360 careful what you wish for because you just might get it if you think back to the elon musk doge
00:35:23.160 fiasco you know they let go thousands of people at that point that was clearly something they wanted
00:35:30.320 to do with project 2025 they let go of thousands of people what are they doing they're hiring them
00:35:35.660 back because they found it for sure there is waste as all of us know in government there is excess but
00:35:42.160 a lot of those public servants perform valuable jobs they perform valuable tasks and now they've had
00:35:47.700 to walk it back and hire many of those people back so um that would be my advice to republicans is be
00:35:54.740 careful what you wish for because you just might get it i think i think you're probably right uh we
00:35:59.940 got to go back to the middle east uh for this next story because i don't it doesn't surprise me
00:36:05.440 uh that uh hamas's military leadership is uh not very bullish on donald trump's peace proposal
00:36:12.060 uh what do we what do we do chris i mean rinse and repeat ben i who who thought this was actually
00:36:20.500 going to work from from hamas's angle right like they they do not represent the the kind of peace
00:36:26.160 that everybody seems to think they do and so um i you know when the news story came out that you know
00:36:31.520 they'd reached a deal i i refuse to believe it i don't know if a deal can ever be reached so long as
00:36:36.620 hamas controls gaza this is what it's going to be and so we can we can clap our hands and applaud
00:36:43.020 the president for reaching a ceasefire deal but you need the other side to cease fire uh and agree
00:36:47.480 to ceasefire if it's if it's ever going to be a peace deal and it's just it never will be as long
00:36:51.340 as these guys control control gaza yeah warren i i don't understand why why we are we are we're giving
00:36:57.340 hamas uh so much um so much agency here they are they are the the loser in this war they are uh they're
00:37:05.760 going to they're either going to have the negotiated peace now or they're going to be destroyed by israel
00:37:10.120 later and so i i'm we didn't do this with japan we didn't do this with germany but this is not how
00:37:15.980 wars typically end and so the fact that they're they're balking at this to me it just shows how
00:37:21.800 just how there really is one set of rules for israel and one set of rules for everybody else
00:37:27.180 absolutely you're both right and you know what i always can call it encourage people to do what i
00:37:32.900 always say to people is hamas is very open actually about what their objectives are and
00:37:39.420 their objectives are perpetual all all-encompassing war if you look back at their 1988 charter which
00:37:47.560 they've never disavowed that is their supreme law not only do they oppose peace deals and ceasefire
00:37:55.680 with the zionist entity as they called israel they mock those who advance those suggestions
00:38:01.920 they mock those they they consider the plo too moderate but but don't they don't they take their
00:38:07.760 marching orders from someone else don't aren't there aren't there uh actors in the middle east that
00:38:14.240 they that they listen to that fund them that would that might appeal iran and qatar and iran is the
00:38:22.740 campaign manager in this information war and qatar is the banker i encourage everybody to check out
00:38:28.180 what i put on my social media this morning a leader from the saudi arabia talking about how poisonous how
00:38:34.020 toxic the qatari regime is and and their masters in iran so it's in their interest to destabilize the
00:38:41.940 west and destabilize israel and they're doing it and so to your point ben absolutely israel is going to
00:38:48.580 win the military war they were always going to win that but hamas and their side is winning the
00:38:56.020 information war take a look at what's happening around the world take a look at the polling it all
00:39:00.580 says the same thing you've got people who were otherwise reasonable now saying that israel is
00:39:05.300 committing genocide that tells you that hamas may be losing the military war but they're winning the
00:39:10.340 propaganda war all right well we're going to take a quick break uh chris i'm going to give you an
00:39:14.260 opportunity to to weigh in when we come back from the break but we're also going to be talking about
00:39:18.100 is a story about whether it's discrimination or just good detective work as well as could we be
00:39:24.820 seeing the end of daylight savings time daylight saving time thank you very much all right don't
00:39:30.580 go anywhere much more to come right here on the ben mulroney show
00:39:33.700 welcome back to the ben mulroney show welcome back to this week in politics our friday edition with
00:39:43.620 chris chapin and warren kinsella chris i was going to give you the final word on hamas throwing up their
00:39:49.220 hands and saying we don't want to play i mean it it is what it is that's it's the world we're going to
00:39:55.540 live in uh i think then um it's it's why i think the the only way this this truly ends is is letting israel
00:40:02.420 take it to its logical conclusion because uh left to their own devices i think warren nailed it they
00:40:07.940 they want to exterminate israel um and you know you've got a unstoppable force and an unmovable
00:40:13.860 object all right well we've got an army of people working at the cra i think we've got more people in
00:40:20.260 the cra than we have in the actual canadian armed forces and so they got to do stuff right and one of
00:40:25.220 the things that they've been tasked with is uh auditing a certain charities for potential terrorism links
00:40:32.420 and they were just under the microscope because they couldn't justify why they were auditing certain
00:40:40.020 muslim charities they were uh it was raising the possibility that some of their decisions were
00:40:45.460 driven by bias and discrimination and i i wonder warren what you think about that because i guess the
00:40:50.900 question is are were they profiling these people were they looking into these charities just because they
00:40:56.020 were run by muslims and they were muslim charities and i wonder what you think is that is that
00:41:00.900 profiling or is that just investigating uh no it wasn't profiling at all and um you know here i'm
00:41:09.860 going to do something unpopular i'm going to give credit to cra um like cra and finance have
00:41:17.060 decertified pro-palestinian charities in the past in the recent past for providing funding directly or
00:41:26.340 indirectly to groups like the pflp and hamas they've done that that's on the record like you can check
00:41:33.780 it out for yourself and i've done a lot of investigative reporting about this issue we have
00:41:39.380 a big problem with those charities instead what they focused on is going after jewish charities yeah who
00:41:46.660 are doing terrible things like building parks and planting trees in israel that's become the focus
00:41:52.900 of some people within cra and cra actually the union who represents most of the employees there
00:42:00.900 last august issued a statement calling for a crackdown on so-called jewish charities so no i think cbc fell for
00:42:09.060 this hook line and sinker yeah the issue isn't uh the the so-called muslim charities the issue is uh that
00:42:16.820 that they're not being scrutinized nearly enough well chris i i see this as if if you take what
00:42:22.420 warren said as gospel then then this is uh this is concerning because if any time you go and do your
00:42:29.940 job uh you are pushed back as uh somebody who's potentially violating the canadian charter of rights
00:42:36.000 and freedoms and or uh you are um espousing islamophobia that now you're getting into a place where
00:42:44.740 you're not allowing the watchers to do the watching yeah i you know i think we've we've seen this been
00:42:51.940 you know across different levels of our society though you know we've seen this with police work
00:42:56.320 for example uh the police being told they need to stop doing things that they had been doing for years
00:43:01.340 that kept community safe because you know it was biased you asked that question is this just good
00:43:05.680 detective work i i think so the purpose of these investigations is to determine whether these
00:43:10.740 charities are doing things that you know might potentially the keep canadians less safe and so
00:43:15.980 when they find it there's a reason to keep looking for it and and that's unfortunately the truth is we
00:43:21.140 we have seen stories of canadian charities being used to funnel money to terrorist organizations
00:43:25.960 uh that should be of concern to absolutely every canadian this is about what's right and what's wrong
00:43:31.800 not about inherent bias um you know we don't have a issue with jewish terrorism in north america you know
00:43:38.860 we have had issues with islamic terrorism in north america you know we're all old enough to remember
00:43:44.360 9-11 you know and and many other examples even warren cited earlier that you know there are concerns
00:43:49.600 with that and i i hope the cra keeps doing this work because it's the right thing to do all right well now
00:43:54.080 we've got to move to what is undoubtedly one of the most pressing important stories of the day and i
00:44:00.560 believe gentlemen that there are two types of people there are the people for whom changing the
00:44:05.420 clocks either going forward or coming back throws their entire life into chaos they can't sleep they
00:44:11.080 can't drive they can't concentrate they can't consummate their relationships life is terrible
00:44:16.500 and then there are people like me that just get over it and i wonder before we have this conversation
00:44:21.920 about getting rid of daylight saving time i want to know what kind of people you are chris tell me
00:44:26.060 i i cannot wait to get rid of this thing i'll tell you why i do a lot of work across the prairies with
00:44:31.920 our company and saskatchewan got rid of it a long time ago and so there's nothing more frustrating
00:44:37.220 than trying to figure out which hour or two hours they're behind when you're trying to schedule
00:44:41.680 meetings because sometimes they're aligned with our clients and the work we do in alberta and
00:44:45.560 sometimes they're aligned with who you know the work we do in manitoba and here in ontario where
00:44:49.460 they're an hour or two hours behind and i hate it because i'm from the center of the universe here in
00:44:53.860 toronto and i assume there's only one time zone and that's our time zone so me me trying to do the math
00:44:59.120 complicates everything every single time so i say get rid of this once and for all
00:45:03.280 chapin just use google hey google what time is it in regina it's not that complicated i try i have to
00:45:09.680 i feel like an idiot the number of times i google what time is it in regina you know ben i i've lost
00:45:14.720 track all right warren what kind of person are you chapin is a central canadian fascist
00:45:20.800 i am i am i i don't care about this issue like i care more about what taylor swift had for
00:45:29.760 breakfast than i care about this issue like these these suitcases under my eyes right here that you
00:45:35.740 can see they're not going to disappear it doesn't matter if we're springing ahead or falling back or
00:45:40.300 whatever like i never get it right a lot of people don't and uh so like i just don't care but for sure
00:45:47.600 you know for the pundit industry like the three of us are in um this is a lot of fun to talk about
00:45:53.840 i just i don't have an opinion on it i don't care either way just make your mind up and do it okay
00:45:58.280 well to that point to wit uh warren so marie france lallon the mp is planning to introduce a bill aimed
00:46:05.020 at ending daylight saving time but it's not a bill to end daylight saving time it's a bill to study it
00:46:10.280 and that is the most canadian most government uh thing you could possibly do like pick a lane
00:46:16.180 keep it get rid of it what is it but we don't need to study it do we chris i i i howled when i read the
00:46:22.900 article ben i i it was the most liberal thing that i could possibly come up with that you couldn't just
00:46:28.780 be definitive on keep it or get rid of it it's let's have the federal government i believe the
00:46:33.320 language is organize a conference with stakeholders that's what they formalize whether we would
00:46:38.220 aren't we all stakeholders in this anybody who like lives according to the clock don't we are
00:46:43.260 we all stakeholders like couldn't we just have like a push poll or something like all canadians
00:46:47.940 just answer one or two yeah that seems far easier or just make up our minds yeah warren the the fact
00:46:54.760 the fact that this is going to be is going to be turned into a a roundtable discussion with stakeholders
00:47:00.440 is it's just the government making busy work yeah i'm gonna sit here i gotta watch like i'm a
00:47:07.820 stakeholder too like but she's a very nice lady and um i like her a lot but can you think of a more
00:47:16.100 uniquely canadian response than to convene a conference to study an issue instead of actually
00:47:22.800 dealing with it again i i don't care it's just like guys like can we just stop talking about this
00:47:27.960 and move on to some of the more important subjects like the ones we were talking about earlier in the
00:47:32.000 show and focus on those this one seems to be a bit of a time waster but chapin that central canadian
00:47:38.200 solipsistic i get called when i'm out in regina
00:47:41.520 now we only have focused on his own needs we only about a minute left so in that time let me ask you
00:47:48.720 guys gonna watch the blue jays this weekend i can't wait yeah i think it should be it should
00:47:53.640 be a good series i uh we need to be able to beat up on the yankees and beat up on them well
00:47:57.540 i i can't believe we're here but we are but i can't i'm up in my cabin in the woods and i don't
00:48:04.260 have tv here so i'm gonna have to listen do it the old-fashioned way listen to the radio yeah but
00:48:08.680 you got wi-fi we're clearly talking to you right now you could you could watch you i mean clearly
00:48:13.160 you got that no yeah i guess so i guess i could do that but uh no i i actually like listening to
00:48:20.040 games when i'm driving on the radio um you know because i mean i'm not trying to you know butter your
00:48:26.640 your your toast here ben but i i think radio guys describe games better than tv guys i find
00:48:34.260 it more compelling yeah it's a tougher job for guys like you and and i enjoy it more well fortunately
00:48:39.600 that is not in my wheelhouse i will tell you though those that the the tv guys uh one day i was years
00:48:45.340 ago i was watching a i was watching a cubs game and i think it was on i think it was on father's day
00:48:50.740 and the the guys had just run out of steam they had run out of things to say and the guy says
00:48:55.920 and uh today's father's day so to all you fathers out there happy birthday my favorite line ever from
00:49:05.520 any uh any sports guy ever uh calling the game anyway guys thank you so much have a great weekend
00:49:10.220 really appreciate your insights today and we'll see you next week take care see you guys
00:49:14.580 i can't believe life's so complex when i just wanna sit here and want to undress
00:49:32.860 i can't believe life's so complex when i just wanna sit here and want to undress
00:49:41.220 this is love this is love this is love that i'm feeling does it have to be a life full of dread
00:50:02.560 wanna chase you around the table wanna touch your head does it have to be a life full of dread
00:50:11.040 wanna chase you around the table wanna touch your head this is love this is love this is love
00:50:17.780 that i'm feeling this is love this is love that i'm feeling this is love
00:50:25.180 love that i'm feeling
00:50:37.760 Suffering when you taste so good
00:50:41.140 I can't believe that the axis turns
00:50:45.480 I'm suffering when my head it burns
00:50:49.500 That love, love, love that I'm feeling
00:50:53.340 This is love, this is love that I'm feeling
00:50:57.580 This is love, love, love that I'm feeling
00:51:01.920 Even in the summer, even in the spring
00:51:11.620 We'll never get to watch a wonderful day
00:51:31.920 You're the only story that I've never told
00:51:36.360 You're my dirty little secret, wanna keep your soul
00:51:40.700 You're the only story that I've never been told
00:51:44.920 You're my dirty little secret, wanna keep your soul
00:51:49.480 Come on out, come on over, help me forget
00:51:53.460 Keep the walls from falling as they're jumbling in
00:51:57.920 Come on out, come on over, help me forget
00:52:02.060 Keep the walls from falling as they're jumbling in
00:52:06.540 Keep the walls from falling as they're jumbling in
00:52:10.620 This is love, this is love that I'm feeling
00:52:14.380 This is love, this is love that I'm feeling
00:52:18.640 This is love, this is love that I'm feeling
00:52:22.600 This is love, love, love that I'm feeling
00:52:27.220 This is love, this is love that I'm feeling
00:52:31.480 This is love, love, love that I'm feeling
00:52:35.840 This is love, love, love that I'm feeling
00:52:39.940 This is love, this is love that I'm feeling
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