kinsellacast - October 12, 2025


KINSELLACAST 383： Sycophants R Us - with Lilley, Mulroney and Glimmer, Pip Blom, Home Front, Wednesday


Episode Stats

Length

57 minutes

Words per Minute

148.81506

Word Count

8,584

Sentence Count

370

Misogynist Sentences

8

Hate Speech Sentences

33


Summary


Transcript

00:00:00.000 It's the Kinsella cast starring Warren Kinsella.
00:00:15.560 Hey, it's Warren. Welcome to the Kinsella cast.
00:00:18.420 A shorter podcast for you this week, as has been the case the past couple of weeks, because at CFRA we're not back yet.
00:00:26.900 We came back, I think, once or twice, and it's been bumped to the end of the month.
00:00:34.520 So hopefully we'll be hearing from Tasha and Carl again and getting their insights.
00:00:41.020 But this week, compensating for that, as always, is our friend Brian Illy on the Thanksgiving weekend.
00:00:47.220 That's part of the reason why it's shorter, because it's Thanksgiving and we all have important things to deal with,
00:00:53.460 like Brian and I did, which is Yorkshire Pudding with Turkey.
00:00:56.720 Yes or no? We say no.
00:01:01.460 Some great music. It kind of is in an 80s new wave mood.
00:01:06.360 So I've got Glimmer and Homefront with two very synth-laden tunes.
00:01:11.460 I was a punk. I am a punk.
00:01:15.160 But we all secretly loved a lot of the synthesizer bands, like Human League and Orchestral Maneuvers.
00:01:23.080 And so I got some of that.
00:01:24.620 I got Pip Blom with her song Truth, and I brought back Wednesday, because I just love her voice.
00:01:31.680 I love their guitar sound.
00:01:33.120 And just a great band.
00:01:37.420 And politics isn't hockey, guys.
00:01:39.780 Elbows down.
00:01:41.300 It can have very unhelpful consequences.
00:01:43.780 You can get hit more, for example.
00:01:46.020 You can have lots more bruises and missing teeth.
00:01:48.180 So here's a quick refresher for Canadian Politics 2025, in case you don't remember.
00:01:55.140 Justin Trudeau resigns.
00:01:57.080 Donald Trump comes back.
00:01:59.140 51st state.
00:02:00.020 Pierre Polyev collapses, and Mark Carney appears.
00:02:04.580 And Carney, who had never run for high public office, he'd never chaired a cabinet meeting,
00:02:10.560 never participated in a leader's debate on TV.
00:02:14.120 He did better than anyone, especially Mr. Polyev expected.
00:02:18.860 But he had a secret weapon, didn't he?
00:02:21.880 Carney had two words that made him prime minister and saved the Liberal Party of Canada
00:02:25.580 from a fourth place finish in the election.
00:02:28.380 Elbows up.
00:02:30.800 Liberals bet the house on those two words, and it paid off big time.
00:02:35.420 They put them in online ads.
00:02:37.180 They put them in speeches.
00:02:38.360 They put them in TV ads and ran them over and over and over, featuring Carney and beloved
00:02:43.340 Canadian expat Mike Myers at a hockey rink somewhere in any town Canada.
00:02:48.060 And the scene, as you will recall, you see Myers, and he looks surprised to run into a prime
00:02:55.380 minister at a hockey rink.
00:02:57.200 So Carney asked Myers if he lives in the States, and Myers says, yes, but adds that I'll always
00:03:01.420 be Canadian.
00:03:02.680 And skeptical, Carney then quizzes him on Mr. Dress Up, Howie Meeker, Saskatchewan's capital,
00:03:08.800 Toronto Seasons, and the Tragically Hip.
00:03:10.600 And Myers gets them all.
00:03:13.320 And Carney goes, wow.
00:03:14.560 And he gives this smile that he reserves for those lovesick moments when he actually calls
00:03:21.660 Trump a transformative president.
00:03:25.080 He says, you really are a Canadian.
00:03:26.900 And Myers says, well, let me ask you, Mr. Prime Minister, will there always be a Canada?
00:03:30.400 And Carney says, there will always be a Canada.
00:03:34.000 Myers goes, all right, elbows up.
00:03:36.860 And then Carney says it too.
00:03:38.240 And then they weirdly, because, you know, it's not the pandemic anymore, touch elbows.
00:03:44.100 So elbows up elected Mark Carney, Prime Minister, more than anything else.
00:03:49.100 He kept the grits in power, defeated Pierre Polyev in an election that had been in the bag
00:03:54.920 and lost him his seat.
00:03:56.360 Two words did that, like, elbows up.
00:04:00.540 It's impressive.
00:04:01.580 Which brings us to now, in the Angus Reid Institute poll that was released on Friday of this week,
00:04:06.860 Carney's decision to lower his elbows came in a press conference at the end of August.
00:04:12.680 And he said he was dropping retaliatory tariffs.
00:04:15.880 And he offered up this bizarre melange of hockey metaphors, just justify it.
00:04:20.880 And let me just quote you what he said.
00:04:23.300 This is my favorite.
00:04:24.160 Quote, there is a time in a game, in a big game, and this is a big game, when you go hard in the corners with your elbows up.
00:04:36.340 There's a time in the game when you drop your gloves in the first period and you send a message.
00:04:40.700 And we've done that pretty uniquely in the world.
00:04:44.440 Send a message.
00:04:47.560 Gotcha, Mark.
00:04:48.460 If any of you can figure out what that message was, drop me a line.
00:04:52.900 I still haven't figured it out since August.
00:04:55.780 The Reid poll is bad news for Mark Carney and his elbows.
00:05:00.080 Nearly 70% of Canadians think his sycophancy with Trump is just optics.
00:05:06.400 I think it's worse than that.
00:05:08.420 And Canadians don't think it's going to lead to any progress on a trade deal with the U.S.
00:05:12.140 And that's not all.
00:05:13.880 The number of Canadians who are confident Carney will secure us a good deal with the Yanks is dropping precipitously.
00:05:21.400 Most Canadians blame Trump for this, of course, because his administration is deeply unpopular in Canada, says Reid.
00:05:28.840 But 71% see it negatively.
00:05:30.960 But Carney's Oval Office oily obsequiousness with Trump isn't doing him any favors either.
00:05:37.660 A third of Canadians consider it inappropriate, quote-unquote.
00:05:42.260 Confidence in his ability to deliver a deal is plummeting, the Reid guys found.
00:05:47.080 Only a quarter of Canadians are now confident there will be a deal at all.
00:05:51.160 And they don't, apparently a majority of them, don't feel Carney and his team are well qualified to get one.
00:05:57.160 A single glimmer of hope for Carney is that his approval ratings are flat at 50%, which is not bad.
00:06:06.180 That's down from the summer, but it's stable.
00:06:09.120 And his negatives have been growing steadily since he dropped his elbows.
00:06:14.320 It's basic, but it bears saying.
00:06:17.720 When you win an election because of a promise, in this case, elbows up, you better keep your promise.
00:06:27.420 Mark Carney hasn't.
00:06:29.040 He needs to strap on his helmet fast because it's about to get way uglier in the corners.
00:06:36.180 He needs to be laughing.
00:06:39.580 It's a felon movie.
00:06:40.440 Thanks for listening.
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00:07:05.740 A piece of my spirit dies every day
00:07:10.640 There's gotta be a way, there's gotta be a way
00:07:14.820 To stop the bleeding
00:07:16.580 I'm a light sleeper, I rise over wine at the break of day
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00:09:02.400 We'll be right back.
00:09:32.400 We're back with Brian Lilly.
00:09:51.300 And Brian, you and I talk about important matters of state and the body politic.
00:09:56.360 But I think we should talk about Yorkshire pudding first.
00:10:00.360 First, he and I are going to the Drake here in PEC tonight and for Thanksgiving dinner
00:10:09.360 because she didn't feel like cooking.
00:10:11.100 And they're having Yorkshire pudding.
00:10:12.600 And that just seems wrong to me.
00:10:14.380 I don't think Yorkshire pudding belongs with a turkey.
00:10:17.200 Well, Lee, I'm going to a place that serves a roast beef dinner.
00:10:19.900 And it will have Yorkshire pudding.
00:10:22.880 Well, properly so.
00:10:24.660 That's normal with beef.
00:10:26.740 Like it's going to be a, what do they call it?
00:10:29.100 A slow roasted Montreal style fried bread.
00:10:32.180 That sounds great.
00:10:33.360 That's our big treat this weekend.
00:10:36.900 Not doing much.
00:10:38.960 I grew up eating Yorkshire pudding.
00:10:40.580 My mom made great Yorkshire pudding.
00:10:42.200 And my dad's widow, Marlene, was actually from Yorkshire and made amazing.
00:10:49.520 Oh, wow.
00:10:50.260 From scratch.
00:10:51.500 I can't make it to save my life.
00:10:54.140 It's hard to do.
00:10:55.140 Like I watched my grandmother do.
00:10:57.440 It was like alchemy.
00:10:58.480 Like she was a wizard.
00:10:59.420 And it was, it seemed to be grease and something white.
00:11:02.780 And I couldn't figure out how she did it, but she did it.
00:11:05.960 And for people that don't know, and you know this, I can cook just about anything.
00:11:12.560 I'm quite adept in the kitchen, but there's a couple of things I have trouble with.
00:11:16.860 Getting the gravy thick nicely and make an amazing gravy.
00:11:19.840 I don't do the thickening.
00:11:21.940 And Yorkshire pudding, both are difficult.
00:11:26.540 It is indeed.
00:11:27.620 Speaking of chemicals, I don't know how we got into this someday.
00:11:30.220 Um, I did 23andMe.
00:11:33.360 I don't know if you've ever done it.
00:11:35.480 And so I had done it previously because I am the whitest person who ever lived.
00:11:41.460 I'm 99.7% Irish, according to 23andMe.
00:11:46.680 And I get, I don't know if they tweaked their algorithm or changed their science.
00:11:50.160 They sent me an update this week.
00:11:52.060 Apparently I'm 2% Icelandic, which I can't figure out.
00:11:56.940 So that might count.
00:11:58.060 I haven't swam or got in a boat and, and floated over.
00:12:04.620 It must be a Viking or something.
00:12:08.240 Yeah, no, I did, I did the ancestry thing years ago.
00:12:11.580 And it's funny, both my parents come from Scotland, but they both come out of the Irish ghetto.
00:12:15.500 And my dad was very proud of his Irish roots.
00:12:18.100 And my mother adapted to play that down because, you know, it would get you beatings in Glasgow.
00:12:25.320 So she didn't want to play that up.
00:12:27.840 Well, I get my, uh, my data back.
00:12:31.560 And my mom's side is 100% genetically Irish.
00:12:34.660 And my dad's is like 87% and the rest is Scottish.
00:12:37.740 And, you know, you talk to my mother and she'll still be like, oh, no, we're Scottish.
00:12:43.500 Look, they're the same people.
00:12:45.080 You just, you know, which side of the, of the Irish Sea are you going to swim across?
00:12:49.380 Exactly.
00:12:50.300 Speaking of beatings, how's that for a segue?
00:12:52.660 Speaking of beatings, Mark Carney, apparently fearing a beating in the Oval Office, gave us the most, in my opinion, the most sycophantic, obsequious display I think a prime minister has had in Canada in many years.
00:13:13.120 Like, it was pretty gross.
00:13:14.300 The elbows up guy, like, he's gone in his place is, what did the Brits say?
00:13:19.760 He was a shrieking teenager at a, at a Taylor Swift concert.
00:13:23.840 That's what he looked like.
00:13:25.560 Um, especially the, the, uh, the laughter, you know, look, Trump can be a funny guy.
00:13:31.400 He knows how to deliver a line.
00:13:32.720 He's an entertainer.
00:13:33.640 And he'd been buttering up Carney, just as Carney had been buttering up him.
00:13:39.640 And he had said, oh, he's a great guy.
00:13:41.700 He's a tough negotiator.
00:13:42.980 I like him.
00:13:43.780 I understand why he's prime minister.
00:13:45.400 Great guy.
00:13:46.600 Somebody says, well, if he's a great guy, like what's holding up a deal?
00:13:49.380 Oh, I want to be a great guy too.
00:13:51.260 And Carney just falls back.
00:13:52.760 Like, it's the funniest thing he's ever heard.
00:13:54.360 It was pretty funny, but.
00:13:56.520 Wasn't that funny.
00:13:58.020 Um, and, uh, and so it was over the top.
00:14:01.440 Uh, it was like a puppy getting the belly rub after, you know, rolling over and exposing
00:14:06.300 yourself, uh, which, which is the sign of submission for dogs.
00:14:09.960 For those that don't know if a, if a dog rolls over and shows you their belly, that is the
00:14:15.280 sign of submission.
00:14:15.980 It was very submissive meeting.
00:14:18.160 Look, I, I'd like, and I wrote this during the week, I'd like somewhere between Doug Ford,
00:14:23.560 who wants to be like you and I on a daily basis, he's wandering around like a walking Irish
00:14:28.280 bar brawl looking to fight Trump and Carney's rolling over and showing his belly somewhere
00:14:33.560 in the middle would be a sweet spot.
00:14:37.120 And that's where most Canadians are.
00:14:38.880 I mean, Angus Reed had a poll on Friday saying exactly the same thing that they, and increasingly
00:14:44.440 they're becoming very cynical and very concerned about Carney's approach with Trump.
00:14:50.120 They don't think it's working, do they?
00:14:51.400 No, they don't.
00:14:54.000 And, you know, so I was writing about the bromance between Doug Ford and Mark Carney hitting
00:14:59.120 the rocks.
00:14:59.720 Uh, you know, you can see it in Ford's public comments.
00:15:03.120 Um, they, he wants Carney to take a tougher stance again.
00:15:08.360 I don't think you have to go as tough as Doug Ford, but take a tougher stance.
00:15:12.420 That's not happening.
00:15:13.520 There's worry that, uh, not only amongst folks in the Ontario government, but folks in the auto
00:15:21.220 industry that Carney's getting ready to throw the auto industry under the bus.
00:15:25.340 Cause when did they talk about, we want, um, we want to deal on steel, aluminum, and energy.
00:15:30.820 No mention of autos.
00:15:32.500 Uh, you've got talk of the EV tariff on Chinese EVs being listed.
00:15:38.460 Well, uh, you've got Scott Moe and Wab Canoe calling for that.
00:15:42.980 Uh, Doug Ford saying, no way, that'll be horrible.
00:15:46.660 You've got Daniel Smith and David Evie arguing over whether a pipeline can go to the Northwest
00:15:52.020 coast.
00:15:53.020 Uh, remember a little while ago, he had real unity among the premiers.
00:15:56.420 He does that at home.
00:15:58.260 He's, you know, not, he doesn't have a deal in this is the thing.
00:16:03.340 I mean, you can speak about this far better than me, but Carney and his team raised expectations
00:16:09.540 that they were getting a deal when they went to Washington.
00:16:11.660 Yep.
00:16:12.660 Those leaks to CTV, the, the first place to have it, I didn't come from nowhere and they
00:16:17.660 let that sit out there and they let it build over the weekend.
00:16:20.260 And then Monday morning, the day before they're leaving, they're like, Oh yeah, about that.
00:16:25.140 Maybe, um, like there might not be a deal.
00:16:27.700 So you don't oversell and under deliver.
00:16:31.500 You do the opposite.
00:16:32.980 If you want to be successful in this guy, this is like the fifth time he's done the oversell
00:16:38.860 under deliver beginning of June, a deal is imminent.
00:16:42.380 It wasn't.
00:16:43.380 We'll get a deal by Canon ask us.
00:16:44.820 You didn't.
00:16:45.820 We'll get a deal by July 21st.
00:16:47.300 You didn't.
00:16:48.300 We'll get a deal by August 2nd.
00:16:49.300 You didn't.
00:16:50.300 Now we have the best deal in the world when it's actually worse than when he said, Donald
00:16:54.340 Trump wants to break us.
00:16:55.620 So America can own us, the tariffs are higher.
00:16:58.300 They apply to more goods.
00:17:00.300 Eventually, if he doesn't deliver and like, this is no time that Canadian public are going
00:17:06.020 to look at him like the boy who cried wolf and he will start to lose people.
00:17:11.660 I'm not saying like there'd be an election or the conservatives would be in, but people
00:17:15.140 will be like, I'm not sure what I bought here.
00:17:17.780 Under sell and, and, and over perform.
00:17:21.820 That was the Chrétien rule and Ed Greenspan, who was the editor in chief at the globe when
00:17:28.360 you and I, uh, were in Ottawa covering that first Chrétien Martin budget, the big one that
00:17:34.140 cut the living shit out of government.
00:17:36.940 Um, do you think given what we've observed with Carney's behavior with Trump, do you think
00:17:44.500 Carney still has the gonads to do what needs to be done in that budget that's coming in
00:17:49.740 the first week of November?
00:17:54.100 I don't know.
00:17:55.380 Yeah.
00:17:56.380 I don't know.
00:17:57.380 Um, you know, the person that really has to have the gonads as well is Frankie Bubbles and
00:18:04.260 does he have the wherewithal to tell his, to be very unpopular with his cabinet and caucus
00:18:10.460 colleagues and just tell them, no, this is what needs to be done.
00:18:14.540 Are we there yet?
00:18:16.020 We should be there, but I also think that we should be there on what Carney promised with
00:18:22.380 his, we will think big, act bigger and move at speeds never seen hate to belabor this point,
00:18:28.760 but I want him to do that.
00:18:30.680 And he's not doing that.
00:18:31.920 He is thinking medium, acting small and moving at speeds like government normally moves.
00:18:40.260 Uh, so it's, we, we, we really need it like it to take away the tariffs tomorrow.
00:18:47.200 Trump is still transforming the American economy and the global trading order.
00:18:50.840 So we've got to move.
00:18:52.420 We've got to be exporting our best products.
00:18:55.280 We've got to be expanding trade dice.
00:18:58.500 It's going to take a long time if ever to, uh, shift us away from the U S everyone's been
00:19:04.780 trying for decades and we've only become deeper intertwined with them, but you've got to act
00:19:10.280 fast and, and he's acting slow.
00:19:12.300 So if he's doing that on the things that he has full license for again, Angus repo majority
00:19:18.480 across the country, support a pipeline to the Northwest coast, Canada's Northwest coast,
00:19:24.340 not British Columbia's Canada's Northwest coast.
00:19:27.820 And, uh, he is unsure about that and still punting it down and putting it off and acting.
00:19:35.060 You know, how many meetings have you been in with bureaucrats over the years where they
00:19:38.540 just want to defer, defer, defer, defer, and never make a decision?
00:19:42.180 All of them.
00:19:43.260 Yeah.
00:19:43.500 He, he's acting like that.
00:19:45.200 So if that's how he's acting on things where he's got overwhelming public support to say,
00:19:49.400 yes, go, um, the public support isn't quite as strong to be tough on the budget.
00:19:57.120 What's he, you know, will he do it?
00:19:59.580 Uh, getting, getting back to your point about, um, cabinet, uh, prime ministers and finance
00:20:07.120 ministers, it's a, you raise a very interesting point because I don't think, you know, if you
00:20:12.680 had Dominic LeBlanc finance, he's the conciliator and he believes in always giving things away.
00:20:19.200 Champagne has revealed an industry that he's tougher.
00:20:22.480 Uh, I know some of the people in his circle and I consider them impressive, but the key is
00:20:29.480 you point out, you need a prime minister backing the finance minister and that Greenspawn's
00:20:35.240 piece in the globe talks about how Chrétien, even though he didn't love Martin, backed him
00:20:41.060 up completely for the cuts that were needed.
00:20:44.160 Do you think?
00:20:44.600 And we're talking big cuts, 7.5% this year is the call.
00:20:48.160 Do I think we?
00:20:48.740 Do you think Carney is going to back up Champagne?
00:20:53.480 He should, but it's unclear.
00:20:56.880 Uh, I, I, I don't, I don't know how, uh, how much steel Mark Carney has in his spine
00:21:03.160 yet.
00:21:03.600 We know in the Oval Office he has none.
00:21:05.640 Yeah.
00:21:06.140 Um, and, and, and, and look, the, the whole thing of how he's handled one of Donald Trump's
00:21:13.540 most important issues, the, the Middle East, he was all in on recognizing a Palestinian state
00:21:20.400 ahead of time, even though that was undermining Trump's peace process and attempts.
00:21:24.900 And then he's effusive in his praise of, of Trump's peace plan.
00:21:30.100 Um, maybe because, you know, he didn't want to be lectured like Macron was the day before.
00:21:36.800 So we're not seeing a lot of steel in his spine to really have it for the budget, which is,
00:21:41.180 is tough.
00:21:42.920 Um, I don't know.
00:21:44.780 Uh, look, I, I will tell you this.
00:21:47.480 Um, if he goes in and cuts 7.5%, he will have, I think, fairly strong support for the public.
00:21:54.520 The press gallery in Ottawa will give him cover, uh, in ways that they wouldn't if Pierre
00:21:59.840 Poliette had cut 3% from the budget.
00:22:01.860 Uh, that would have, that would have been the end of civilization, cutting 3% under the
00:22:06.420 conservatives, but Mark Carney will be able to cut 7.5% and get mostly positive coverage.
00:22:12.980 So he should be able to do it.
00:22:15.140 Israel, final question.
00:22:17.040 Uh, and you've raised the peace plan.
00:22:19.800 So I've given credit, uh, with, through gritted teeth, I gave lots of credit to Donald Trump.
00:22:25.300 And so did Hillary Clinton.
00:22:26.980 And so have a lot of other people, um, for the ceasefire.
00:22:30.440 But, you know, and I've noticed, Brian, that the ceasefire now people, they've got a ceasefire
00:22:36.380 and they're not happy.
00:22:38.060 Why is that?
00:22:39.900 Well, because they never wanted a ceasefire.
00:22:41.480 They just wanted Israel to go away or they wanted Israel to stop bombing so that Hamas
00:22:45.900 could reorganize and rearm.
00:22:48.320 And I, yes, Donald Trump gave Netanyahu a lot of backing in terms of saying,
00:22:55.100 well, we will let you do what you need to do to get us to this point.
00:22:59.340 Or if they don't, uh, agree to the peace plan, we'll give you the full backing to do what
00:23:04.940 you need to do to get rid of Hamas.
00:23:06.600 He also sat on Netanyahu and said, look, you're going to take this.
00:23:11.220 Um, I've got, uh, an interview coming out on Monday as part of the full comment podcast
00:23:17.060 where I talked to a guy who says this almost same deal was on the table more than a year
00:23:22.980 ago.
00:23:23.240 Exactly.
00:23:24.320 And, uh, Biden didn't care for Netanyahu didn't care for it.
00:23:28.580 Of course, Hamas didn't want it, but this was being proposed by the others around the table.
00:23:34.640 And they're like, eh, meh, meh.
00:23:36.680 And Trump seized on, on this 20 point plan and said, okay, let's make it work.
00:23:44.800 And he leaned heavy on Netanyahu.
00:23:47.740 He scared the crap out of Hamas.
00:23:49.840 But Qatar, as much as I have issues with them, also came to the table and, uh, and sat on
00:23:56.640 them.
00:23:56.800 So you've got Qatar, Saudi Arabia, uh, Pakistan.
00:24:00.500 You've got Jordan, Syria, Egypt, all these countries saying, yes, this is a good deal.
00:24:07.000 And the ceasefire now crowds in Toronto are saying, uh, resistance by any means, uh, resistance
00:24:15.400 until total liberation, military, military intervention in the Middle East.
00:24:20.100 They're calling for spelling military wrong.
00:24:22.980 There was a big protest in London, attract hundreds of thousands of people.
00:24:26.200 And it was like for military intervention against Israel.
00:24:29.320 So question, final, final question is peace.
00:24:34.180 This is an unfair question.
00:24:36.100 Do you think peace is actually going to happen after the hostages hopefully are returned tomorrow?
00:24:46.420 Hamas is the big unknown here.
00:24:48.440 I think Israel will abide by terms.
00:24:52.220 Um, and, but you know, if, if, if Tony Blair and his group are able to get in there and put
00:24:59.040 in a government that just delivers services that people want and need, that's there.
00:25:06.300 Um, but you know, I, I posted this clip, um, a couple of times and it's very wise speaking
00:25:13.440 with Leland Vivert, who is the anchor at news nation in the United States.
00:25:18.300 And he used to be a Middle East correspondent and he had gone to interview this woman and
00:25:23.500 he thought it was going to be a redemption story.
00:25:25.120 Um, sorry to go on a bit long, but this tells you why we're up against tough in a tough corner
00:25:31.520 here on lasting peace.
00:25:33.040 He went to interview this woman who had been, uh, badly burned by boiling water that was
00:25:38.780 poured over her when she was a little girl.
00:25:40.680 And she went to Israel and she got life-saving surgery and life-altering surgery and she's
00:25:45.680 able to live again.
00:25:46.380 Um, but then she gets older and she becomes, decides to become a suicide bomber and she
00:25:51.420 gets injured in this.
00:25:52.340 And again, life-saving surgery from Israel and she's released.
00:25:56.240 And he goes to interview her thinking that she's going to say, well, I've changed my mind,
00:26:00.360 uh, because Israel has saved my life.
00:26:03.500 I've seen that they are not the great evil that I thought.
00:26:06.240 And instead she told him that it is her desire and her duty to try and kill the Jews.
00:26:14.060 Yeah.
00:26:14.760 And that mindset is permeates far too much of Palestinian society.
00:26:19.840 Yep.
00:26:20.320 How they deal with that becomes the big question.
00:26:22.940 You can put in a technocratic government that makes the, the, the, you know, the waterworks
00:26:27.720 deliver clean water, the sewer system works, the housing is delivered.
00:26:31.820 But if people just wake up in the morning and say, all right, how do I kill Jews today?
00:26:37.800 It's, it's not going to help.
00:26:39.680 No, as I wrote this week, I just, uh, a lot of Arab nations in the region consider Palestine
00:26:45.360 and the Gazans ungovernable.
00:26:48.200 They cannot be governed.
00:26:49.980 Anyway, well, hopefully fingers crossed, looking forward to the postages coming out, uh, possibly
00:26:55.120 in the next few hours we shall see.
00:26:57.760 So that'll be a wonderful moment and hopefully somehow peace will come.
00:27:01.820 But given the fact that it's been in a continuous state of war since before 1948, um, I'm skeptical.
00:27:08.920 Anyway, my friend, uh, thankful for you, thankful for your contributions and hope you and yours
00:27:16.600 have an amazing Thanksgiving.
00:27:18.960 Happy Thanksgiving.
00:27:31.820 The summer is gone and no one knows your name.
00:27:57.820 The summer is gone and no one knows your name.
00:28:02.920 Everyone has always been the same.
00:28:07.920 I know that something will be forever.
00:28:18.500 The summer is gone and no one knows your name.
00:28:27.060 I know...
00:28:36.200 I know...
00:28:38.000 So shallow, so sad in me
00:28:48.000 So shallow
00:29:08.000 There were days that always seemed to fade
00:29:21.000 And bored at home where I could get away
00:29:31.000 I know that one day you will be fine
00:29:41.000 But I know that one day you will be fine
00:29:44.000 But I know that the sun's shining on
00:29:53.000 So shallow, so shallow
00:30:00.000 So shallow, so saddened
00:30:10.000 So shallow
00:30:18.000 So lonely, they won't change
00:30:24.000 My love doing
00:30:33.000 It feels so
00:31:00.860 I don't know what's going on
00:31:07.860 It feels so
00:31:11.260 I don't know what's going on
00:31:15.860 It feels so
00:31:21.860 I don't know what's going on
00:31:27.860 It feels so
00:31:31.860 I don't know what's going on
00:31:35.860 You enter as if everything's okay
00:31:57.860 So many eyes looking away
00:32:01.860 You take your time and say there's nothing to do
00:32:05.860 I wish I was a little more like you
00:32:17.860 You know a lot about us
00:32:19.860 Feeling suffocates
00:32:21.860 Plato's gave reason and move wise
00:32:25.860 You know a lot think lessons are lame
00:32:29.860 I ask myself do you know my name
00:32:32.860 You said you don't know the truth
00:32:36.860 I said I can't learn it too
00:32:40.860 You said no one knows the truth
00:32:43.860 But I know that I do like you
00:32:55.860 I try my hardest
00:32:57.860 You don't even try your best
00:32:59.860 You know a lot
00:33:01.860 I know a lot less
00:33:03.860 You're all a hanger
00:33:05.860 I smoke and drink
00:33:07.860 But I see you feed
00:33:09.860 I'm thinking
00:33:11.860 I'm thinking
00:33:13.860 I'm thinking
00:33:15.860 I'm thinking
00:33:17.860 That what we see
00:33:19.860 That what we see and touch
00:33:20.860 Will not remain
00:33:21.860 The true world is formed in our brain
00:33:25.860 Come get my hair
00:33:27.860 Or I'll play those games
00:33:29.860 Cause I keep wondering
00:33:31.860 Do you know my name?
00:33:33.860 You said you don't know the truth
00:33:36.860 I said I can't learn it too
00:33:40.860 You said no one knows the truth
00:33:44.860 But I know that I do like you
00:34:10.860 You said you don't know the truth
00:34:15.860 I said I can't learn it too
00:34:19.860 You said no one knows the truth
00:34:23.860 But I know that I do like you
00:34:27.860 You said you don't know the truth
00:34:30.860 I said I can't learn it too
00:34:34.860 You said no one knows the truth
00:34:38.860 But I know that I do like you
00:34:43.860 Welcome back to the Ben Mulrooney Show
00:34:45.860 It's Friday
00:34:46.860 Which means it's time to assemble
00:34:48.860 The group of heroes that we bring in each and every week
00:34:52.860 Chris Chapin from Managing Principal at Upstream Strategy
00:34:55.860 And if I may say Chris
00:34:56.860 You look straight out of Central Casting
00:34:58.860 As the bad guy in every teen movie I've ever seen
00:35:03.860 If white privilege had a face
00:35:05.860 I'll take that
00:35:07.860 Good to see you
00:35:08.860 And Warren Kinsella
00:35:09.860 Welcome to the show my friend
00:35:10.860 Great to see you
00:35:11.860 I was looking forward to this conversation
00:35:12.860 Given how much has happened over the course of this week
00:35:16.860 I knew that you'd have a lot to say
00:35:18.860 Let's jump right in
00:35:19.860 And Warren we're going to come to you first
00:35:21.860 It looks like Israel
00:35:23.860 It looks like we're following the script that Donald Trump has written
00:35:26.860 Israel has ratified the agreement
00:35:28.860 And as we are talking
00:35:30.860 They are beginning to draw down on the ground in Gaza
00:35:33.860 Which is supposed to give time to Hamas to get their act together
00:35:36.860 And find all of the hostages that remain from their murderous a day two years ago
00:35:42.860 Optimistic
00:35:44.860 Please
00:35:46.860 What do you think?
00:35:48.860 Well you guys know me
00:35:49.860 And you know this is really really hard for me to say this
00:35:53.860 Oh boy
00:35:54.860 I give
00:35:55.860 Clip and save this sucker
00:35:58.860 I give lots of credit to Donald Trump for this moment
00:36:03.860 I did not think he was capable of it
00:36:06.860 I did not think this moment would arrive
00:36:08.860 But here we are
00:36:10.860 Yeah
00:36:11.860 Yeah
00:36:12.860 So far
00:36:13.860 So far
00:36:14.860 That's me knocking on wood
00:36:15.860 So far so good
00:36:17.860 So the Israeli cabinet announced earlier in the morning
00:36:23.860 This morning
00:36:24.860 But in Jerusalem time
00:36:26.860 The pullback
00:36:27.860 So it's the first pullback
00:36:28.860 Then there's going to be a second
00:36:30.860 There's going to be a third
00:36:31.860 And so now Hamas
00:36:33.860 Which is a homicidal cult
00:36:36.860 Is supposedly going to release within 72 hours
00:36:40.860 Hostages living and dead
00:36:43.860 And in exchange
00:36:44.860 Is going to receive hundreds of terrorists
00:36:49.860 Who have been in Israeli prisons
00:36:51.860 So I guess the
00:36:53.860 You know it's all good news
00:36:55.860 That the war looks like it's stopping
00:36:57.860 It looks like the hostages are coming home
00:37:00.860 The thing I worry about Ben and Chris
00:37:03.860 Is Hamas
00:37:04.860 Hamas has not indicated its willingness
00:37:07.860 To lay down their arms and disband themselves
00:37:09.860 And that is one of the main requirements of President Trump
00:37:12.860 And we haven't heard anything about that one yet
00:37:14.860 Yeah so Chris
00:37:15.860 It looks like they would take
00:37:16.860 Take the word straight from Oren Kinsella's mouth
00:37:18.860 Like if this thing keeps going
00:37:20.860 It looks like there will be a ceasefire
00:37:22.860 It looks like the war could end
00:37:24.860 Has anybody told the protesters on this side of the ocean?
00:37:28.860 Because it seems to me like they still think that this thing's going on
00:37:34.860 Yeah no there was a litany
00:37:36.860 I got stuck in traffic the other day Ben
00:37:38.860 Because they can't apparently read the news
00:37:41.860 But I can't say I'm overly surprised if that's who you're supporting in this conflict
00:37:46.860 But you know I hope it comes to an end
00:37:49.860 I guess there's just part of me that
00:37:52.860 Maybe it's disbelief or just his trust in Hamas
00:37:55.860 That I'm not sure I can see a world where this ever stops
00:37:59.860 It never has stopped
00:38:00.860 But I do agree with Warren
00:38:01.860 I think the President deserves an incredible amount of thanks and congratulations for it
00:38:06.860 I will say if there is one strength that President Trump has had in his now second term in office
00:38:11.860 But even over the first term
00:38:12.860 Is he has been very strong on foreign relations in the Middle East
00:38:17.860 I mean you know he I thought he did a very good job in his first term as president
00:38:22.860 You know trying to calm things in the Middle East and keep things calm
00:38:26.860 And this quickly into this like he was handed this mess from President Biden
00:38:30.860 I thought you know that was something the former president was very weak on
00:38:34.860 Partially because of the divide within his own party in the United States on this issue
00:38:39.860 But full kudos to the president on finally putting this
00:38:43.860 Hopefully putting this mess to bed
00:38:45.860 Yeah Warren it seems like the reason he's
00:38:49.860 One of the reasons he's been successful
00:38:51.860 Is that people are surprised by it
00:38:54.860 Because there was this assumption
00:38:56.860 That in order for a Western leader to be successful at brokering anything in the Middle East
00:39:02.860 You had to appear as if you were sort of you were you weren't on one side or the other
00:39:07.860 And he is fully committed to the long-standing partnership between the United States and Israel
00:39:14.860 And despite firmly being on their side he has been able to go in there and I don't know
00:39:21.860 Throw America's weight around I'm not quite sure what it is
00:39:24.860 But I think people believe that if people run afoul of him in this situation there will be consequences
00:39:31.860 And I don't know that you would have believed that had the same thing come from Joe Biden
00:39:36.860 I agree with you as you know I was I spoke at a vigil on October 7th vigil earlier this week
00:39:43.860 And I was talking to some Jewish Canadian friends and they said you know we know Warren you don't like Donald Trump
00:39:50.860 Because he's a little bit crazy but this is maybe an instance where his craziness works
00:39:54.860 You know where Hamas clearly believed that he was capable of wiping them out in a way that Bush
00:40:02.860 And Biden and anybody else never would that's number one
00:40:06.860 Number two I you know when did this thing start to come together really rapidly
00:40:11.860 And I know it's popular for people to condemn Netanyahu's strike against Hamas's leadership in Doha
00:40:19.860 A few weeks ago I was not one of them I supported it you know Qatar supports extremism and terrorism around the world financially
00:40:27.860 I thought it was the right thing to do that's when the deal really started to come together
00:40:31.860 So I think it was a combination of they were afraid of what Trump would do
00:40:34.860 Yeah but they were also afraid of what Israel would do
00:40:37.860 And that's when the pressure from surrounding Arab states really was brought to bear on on Hamas to accept the deal
00:40:43.860 And Chris that's where I keep coming back to I keep coming back to the fact that unlike in years past
00:40:48.860 We've got a lot of people who are skeptical a lot of people who've gone down this road before
00:40:51.860 Warren you've been following this as closely as anybody for for years
00:40:55.860 And there are a lot of people saying I'll believe it when I see it but the wheels always come off
00:40:59.860 Because at some point as we said you know the Hamas will show its true colors or something like that
00:41:04.860 But it I have to wonder and it's the optimist in me whether sort of the fact that there is so much buy-in for this plan from neighboring Arab states
00:41:13.860 Could pressure be brought to the the fire starter of it all the Qataris to tell them like you got you got to stop now man?
00:41:21.980 We we have a we have a chance here to to bring peace and we're not going to let you muck it up
00:41:26.860 And I I don't I don't know enough about the dynamics to know whether that's even a realistic hope
00:41:31.860 I think I think we will get a ceasefire then a long-lasting peace in the Middle East
00:41:38.360 I don't know if that and ever truly exists. I mean we saw just this week. I believe it was, you know, the
00:41:43.860 IRGC was caught smuggling weapons into
00:41:46.860 into Gaza, you know, and and I have no doubts that there will be those amongst the Hamas leadership that look to just
00:41:53.860 You know if they if they've been forced into this position regroup rearm and try this again. I I you know, it just feels like the
00:41:59.860 The evergreen
00:42:01.860 Problem that's plagued the Middle East and I you know, I I think the US is weight and I think war makes a great point about the the strike
00:42:08.860 In Doha sending a message and I and I think a very strong one because the US, you know, they might have made Netanyahu
00:42:14.860 Apologize, but I it didn't come without what felt like a certain backing saying we're not really opposed to what they did and they'll do it again
00:42:23.360 And we'll back them if they need to so I
00:42:25.360 I I hope you're right is the optimist
00:42:28.360 I I think the pessimist in me thinks it's just only a matter of time before these terrorists this terrorist organization tries to terrorize Israel once again
00:42:35.860 Well, if let's live in a world where this peace holds in one way or another for a significant amount of time Warren will you sign the petition demanding that Donald Trump get the Nobel Peace Prize next year?
00:42:49.360 Well, it's a little late
00:42:51.360 Yeah, visit Venezuela
00:42:53.360 No, next year next year
00:42:54.360 Next year
00:42:55.360 No, no, I don't you know, it's about peace. This is a guy who just named the Department of Defense the Department of War
00:43:03.360 I don't believe he believes in peace, but in this case
00:43:07.360 He put he is a dealmaker. I mean, you know, he famously wrote a book the art of the deal his deal making skills have worked in this case, but no I I do not favor him getting the Nobel Prize
00:43:21.360 I think there's much more with deserving people like Ben Mulroney for example
00:43:25.360 Oh my god
00:43:27.360 Please, uh, listen, I I I go back I go back to the founding Chris of of of the Nobel Peace Prize
00:43:33.360 It was founded by the guy who invented dynamite and and he he acts it he accidentally read his obituary and he was referred to as the merchant of death and didn't want that known about him anymore
00:43:45.360 And so he reinvented himself in the form of a of a peace guy who knows maybe that's what Donald Trump's doing
00:43:50.720 Maybe he doesn't want to be known for all the other stuff. He wants to be known for peace. Chris. I'll give you the last word. I got about 30 seconds
00:43:57.020 Well, maybe maybe Ben. I you know, I like I said his reinvention is possible
00:44:01.980 It's I he's got a good record on peace in the Middle East, you know
00:44:06.780 That it's hard to give him credit for a lot of things, but uh, and you know
00:44:09.920 The one thing that doesn't get spoken of a lot, but it's it really does seem to be his son-in-law
00:44:13.920 Jared Kushner seemed to be uh, you know
00:44:16.120 He was the broker behind this the first go-round and seems to be part of the brokerage the second go-round
00:44:20.320 All right. Well guys, uh, thank you so much. Don't go anywhere much more with our
00:44:23.860 Intrepid team here at this week in politics when we come back
00:44:27.380 Canada post looks like they're going to be slowing down on their strike
00:44:31.220 Does anybody care anymore? That's coming up next on the ben mulrooney show
00:44:35.280 Welcome back to the ben mulrooney show and welcome back to chris and warren for this week in politics our friday edition guys
00:44:47.180 I the canada post strike still going on, but it does seem like a little bit of self-awareness
00:44:52.200 Is as infected uh, the um, the workers side of this equation because I think they're realizing that
00:44:58.420 um, nobody well people care but they care because it impacts them and they are figuring out workarounds
00:45:04.540 And so they're the bargaining position that they thought or hoped they had
00:45:08.860 Um is not as strong as it was to the point now that the um, the workers in the union are
00:45:15.940 Are are going to come back to work in sort of they're going to do rotating strikes, right?
00:45:19.460 So some of this mail is going to move. Uh, chris if you were advising both sides on this, what would you say?
00:45:26.920 Get back to get back to work. I I think you I think the union, you know
00:45:31.560 The union especially I think is out to lunch on this ben. I
00:45:34.440 You know, you're you're in a bit of a dying industry in home mail delivery, you know
00:45:39.640 I I found myself I checked the mailbox the other day and forgot why there was no mail in it because you know
00:45:44.620 I I forgot the strike was going on because that's how
00:45:47.320 Little in of importance I get by home mail anymore and and i'm not I don't believe i'm alone
00:45:52.800 Certainly not in my generation of canadians that really could care less and and you know if it's it's a tree falls in the woods
00:45:59.300 Does anybody notice if they're not around? I I really think the the union really needs to
00:46:03.960 uh get serious about its longevity as a union in its negotiations with canada post because
00:46:10.440 I think it's a I think it's a dying industry. I think it's past its time and so
00:46:14.760 Uh, you know, even even I saw some of the responses in some of the stories that wrote the union said we don't even believe you're talking to
00:46:20.600 Real members of ours. It's like, you know, you're questioning reporters making up what fake sources like
00:46:25.400 This union is out to lunch and if they don't get serious quickly, they're just going to continue to lose
00:46:30.200 You know any public support and and negotiating in a dying industry without public supports pretty difficult
00:46:36.840 Yeah, and and warren I you know, I want to be clear. I am not trying to be glib about people's jobs
00:46:41.560 I'm, not trying to be um cavalier with it
00:46:43.960 But you know, we are in the canada post like so many other industries before it and like so many industries that will come after
00:46:50.680 It is in a transitional moment
00:46:52.680 And that transition is going to require some some really tough choices and in this negotiation
00:46:58.520 They're like we want job support for everybody who works at job security for everybody who works here
00:47:03.080 We want to make sure there's no we're not you don't move away, uh, from from full-time positions
00:47:07.540 We want to make sure that the pensions are stronger
00:47:09.880 We want to make sure that and like what world are you living in that the cab drivers and the bookstore owners had no such
00:47:16.100 Guarantees when when the internet came for their jobs and and apps ate the um the taxis for lunch
00:47:22.280 That's what this is. That's this moment
00:47:26.920 But it's that is you know, this intransigent
00:47:30.840 Inflexible approach that cup w has had
00:47:34.440 Um, and I say that you know full disclosure. I was lawyer to cup w and i've advised management
00:47:41.160 So i've seen both sides it worked for cup w for years
00:47:46.040 Because we were also dependent upon the postal service
00:47:50.120 Then along comes amazon and along comes these delivery services ups and so on
00:47:56.120 That stole business from canada post canada post responded by purchasing perlator, but it wasn't enough
00:48:03.960 And so people are using email more now to communicate and send and receive bills and so on
00:48:10.520 And you know packages are being stolen by uh, the package delivery people
00:48:15.160 So the union like this is their second major strike in a year and it was a huge mistake
00:48:21.080 The first one it was a mistake. This one's an even bigger mistake
00:48:24.440 Because the prime minister at the end of the day is right, you know when he was asked about this new strike
00:48:29.560 It's a wildcat strike
00:48:31.400 Um, he said look they're losing 10 million dollars a day
00:48:36.840 10 million dollars a day. It's not sustainable
00:48:39.800 And I know like I guarantee you guys in a year's time when everybody's having to use community mailboxes
00:48:47.400 Yeah, people are gonna be seriously unhappy people have been getting mail at their homes
00:48:51.320 They're gonna be really unhappy. They're not getting that anymore, but I don't think the government has any choice
00:48:56.360 And I think the union you know needed to wake up to that looks like they're starting to
00:48:59.880 Uh, you know lastly we'll end with this uh story, uh, and it's um, it's with mark it's with mark carney our prime minister
00:49:07.480 Uh, because he made an announcement on on essentially the canada
00:49:11.480 That that we need to build for the 21st century and moving forward the canada that is going to have the fastest growing economy
00:49:19.000 Uh in the g7 and all these grand ambitions that carried the liberal party back to power
00:49:25.320 Uh, it's going to require a half a million workers by 2030 to build all the infrastructure
00:49:31.880 And uh, so and and even more in by 2050
00:49:35.240 Uh, and and there's there are already people asking like where are we going to get these workers?
00:49:39.480 Are there are we gonna are we go the easy route and and bring them from abroad or can we do the hard work and and put these like
00:49:47.160 Fill up our trade schools today so that they so that canadians who are here can get those very good paying jobs
00:49:55.880 That'll have tremendous knock-on effects for the rest of the country
00:49:59.400 My fear though chris is we are going to default to the easy and we are going to default to all right
00:50:04.760 Let's just bring in a whole bunch of foreign workers
00:50:06.520 And uh, and this grand opportunity is going to be is going to pass us by
00:50:11.320 All right, I think you're right ben
00:50:13.480 I think that absolutely will be the default position
00:50:16.040 I I think it's
00:50:17.880 The impossible position as well though. I I think we've we've tried
00:50:21.400 Uh, we've tried claiming that we're going to bring in skilled workers from abroad, you know
00:50:26.440 Over the last several years in canada immigration skyrocketed
00:50:29.560 And and we haven't been bringing in skilled workers, you know, if anything, it's been the exact opposite
00:50:34.200 It's been it's been a lot of low skilled workers from from different countries around the world
00:50:37.880 Uh, you know often to fill warehousing jobs and and things that don't require much skill at all
00:50:43.880 And and so I think there's a real challenge for us is there are just there's not 500 000 electricians
00:50:49.560 Just sitting around the world waiting for canada to go find them and bring them to the country, right?
00:50:53.960 There's there's not 500 000 carpenters just waiting wondering why they haven't gotten you know a plane ticket to toronto to build a condo
00:51:01.080 Um, we have to train those workers too. And so we need to find people with the right skill set
00:51:06.440 I think we certainly have tons of canadians here in this country
00:51:09.560 And I think there's some governments that are doing a great job trying to trying to upskill and and and train the workforce of tomorrow
00:51:15.240 But we've known this has been a problem for a long time in this country that we've been lacking
00:51:20.040 You know that skill set and the skilled trades and it seems like you know
00:51:24.040 If we think that there's just a magical country that we can find a bunch of skilled workers from that are going to come to canada tomorrow
00:51:30.120 I think mark carney, uh, is going to be sadly mistaken
00:51:33.960 Warren if you were a betting man, how would you bet this plays out because I I love I love the end goal of where we want to get to
00:51:42.360 I love this massive employment plan. That's going to that's going to build the country that we're all going to take advantage
00:51:48.280 In the future that's going to dominate around the world, but getting there is the problem and the canadian way of getting there typically underperforms
00:51:55.600 Well, the the you know, the canadian economy is in decline like we are in some trouble
00:52:01.920 It's slow, but it's exactly what the economist predicted is the impact of tariffs the impact of protectionism
00:52:09.760 It's starting to take a bite out of our economy. So the prime minister is chasing
00:52:15.680 Trump in washington
00:52:17.680 And you know, there's an angus readout this morning saying most canadians now or an increasing number of canadians
00:52:23.120 No longer believe that carney is going to deliver, you know dropping elbows
00:52:27.440 Hasn't worked but like this is a super complex question. You got language
00:52:32.560 You got immigration policy in the mix here like you know, for example gen z the polling will show in canada in the united states and europe
00:52:39.920 A lot of gen z don't want those jobs, right?
00:52:42.720 And so all of us have got friends who run restaurants or small businesses and they'll tell you
00:52:48.400 Yeah, i've had the shingle out and the only people I can get are people who are newcomers to canada
00:52:53.920 So there's a whole mix of issues here, but that's why i'm asking you to solve this in a minute and a half
00:53:02.000 Yeah, no, I think it's going to be a pretty tough one and um, but you know, it looks like there's a consensus at the moment
00:53:07.760 Politically yeah that the foreign worker thing didn't work, but I suspect ben you're right
00:53:12.480 I suspect we're going to start crawling it back because we need people to fill those jobs to keep the economy going and a situation where the economy is faltering
00:53:20.400 What what I don't understand uh, chris and and i'll give this to you the the last
00:53:24.640 Only about a minute left, but you know, these are the good paying jobs. These are great paying jobs, right? This is not
00:53:30.400 This is not retail. This is these are skilled labor
00:53:34.240 Uh jobs that will take care of a family forever
00:53:37.360 Uh, and and the and the so i i'm to me it's a marketing issue, right?
00:53:42.480 So you just got to sell people on these jobs and they're the and and and students will flock uh, you got about 15 seconds, my friend
00:53:49.760 We just need to create a tiktok dance on how to you know, wire a house
00:53:53.920 Yeah
00:53:54.320 We'll have the problem solved. Oh, there you go. Hey, gentlemen, uh
00:53:59.040 One sentence each. What are you thankful for this year?
00:54:02.360 Uh, warren go first
00:54:03.320 Um, i'm thankful for living in what I still consider to be the best country in the world chris chapin you're next
00:54:10.920 I'll go with the health of my family. I love both of those. Hey, happy thanksgiving to you and yours
00:54:15.800 Yeah, thanks guys. Happy thanksgiving
00:54:17.400 I can
00:54:18.200 Have a great day
00:54:34.680 If you're aaur a Allison well, you might be getting better
00:54:37.960 The Exodus headed out from Dollywood
00:54:51.960 Every daughter of God has a little bad luck
00:55:04.960 Sometimes every daughter of God has a little bad luck
00:55:21.960 Sometimes
00:55:25.960 Kid and Beth County, Virginia
00:55:32.960 Sipping peace, color grind, yellow with banter
00:55:41.960 But someone died in the planet
00:55:48.960 There was no spark in life
00:55:52.960 Fire trucks rolled in and people stood around
00:56:00.960 Hidden with a dose of Narcan
00:56:09.960 Sat right up in the lean backseat of his two-door sedan
00:56:17.960 On the way home, play drive by trucker
00:56:22.960 Sounds real loud
00:56:27.960 Be my baby to my body
00:56:31.960 Drunk and after violence
00:56:40.960 After killing the heat
00:56:47.960 Soul strips the pain
00:56:51.960 Amen
00:57:10.960 We'll be right back.