kinsellacast - KINSELLACAST 386： An October to remember with Lilley, Mulroney and more - plus Dazy, Spiritual Cramp and Sharon von Etten, Jawbreaker and Gillian Welch

00:00:00.000 It's the Kinsella Cast 0.96

00:00:07.040 Starring Warren Kinsella

00:00:28.440 Hey, it's Warren

00:00:29.760 Welcome to the Kinsella Cast

00:00:31.760 Look, I know you're sad

00:00:36.280 And unhappy

00:00:40.680 Maybe even shocked

00:00:42.980 Despondent

00:00:45.200 But they were pretty great

00:00:49.680 And they lifted us up

00:00:54.560 The Blue Jays did

00:00:56.320 So I'm going to talk about that

00:00:58.200 Maybe make you guys feel better

00:01:01.580 Okay?

00:01:03.080 So I'll do that in a minute

00:01:04.220 Show this week

00:01:07.620 Again is a shorter show

00:01:10.440 There's a reason for that

00:01:12.640 CFRA, I just found out

00:01:14.400 Nice of them

00:01:16.260 To let us know

00:01:18.620 Is no longer doing their Sunday panel

00:01:21.900 So

00:01:24.260 What I'm looking for

00:01:27.760 This is a help wanted in

00:01:29.320 And I've got Brian

00:01:32.100 Who's my brother of another mother

00:01:34.360 And Brian is

00:01:36.200 He'd be the first to admit

00:01:37.180 Is a conservative male

00:01:39.360 Writer and commentator

00:01:42.240 I am looking for

00:01:44.900 A progressive female 0.96

00:01:46.760 Commentator

00:01:48.020 I don't care if she's famous

00:01:49.820 Or not

00:01:51.980 But I want to get a bit of a balance

00:01:53.940 So if you know somebody

00:01:55.700 You'd be interested in doing that

00:01:57.160 On the Kinsella Cast

00:01:59.700 I'd be interested in hearing from you

00:02:01.420 So get in touch with me

00:02:02.860 In comments or whatever

00:02:04.000 And obviously

00:02:05.580 She has to agree to it

00:02:07.460 And me too

00:02:09.380 But I'm sure

00:02:10.980 You guys are going to have

00:02:12.420 Some great ideas

00:02:13.260 So

00:02:16.120 Got Brian Lilly

00:02:18.380 Got Ben Moroney

00:02:19.620 And Ben's another

00:02:20.880 Conservative

00:02:21.480 Kind of guy

00:02:22.640 Okay?

00:02:23.100 So you see what my problem is

00:02:24.400 I've got to deal with that

00:02:25.380 Got those two guys

00:02:29.220 And Chris Chapin's in there

00:02:30.580 Another conservative guy

00:02:32.120 And it's a good show

00:02:35.380 And I'm going to talk about

00:02:36.400 The Blue Jays

00:02:37.080 But I've got some great music

00:02:38.580 That is poppy

00:02:40.020 Less punky

00:02:41.380 This week

00:02:42.300 I've got Spiritual Cramp

00:02:43.440 Who as you guys know

00:02:44.820 Are from

00:02:46.300 San Francisco

00:02:47.660 And who I love

00:02:48.900 And I've seen them many times

00:02:50.460 And I think they're going to be stars

00:02:51.680 And they've done a duet

00:02:53.840 Believe it or not

00:02:55.420 With one of my favorite

00:02:56.740 Female artists ever

00:02:58.200 Whose stuff can make me

00:02:59.640 Weep like a baby

00:03:00.780 Sharon Von Etten

00:03:03.040 And

00:03:04.340 Like I

00:03:05.720 When I heard

00:03:06.700 That she had done

00:03:08.080 A duet with them

00:03:09.460 I just couldn't believe it

00:03:11.320 It was

00:03:12.240 Extremely unlikely

00:03:13.620 This

00:03:14.260 San Francisco

00:03:15.480 Punk band

00:03:16.140 But anyway

00:03:16.500 This song came out

00:03:18.140 Just last week

00:03:18.940 And

00:03:19.700 It's amazing

00:03:22.600 Daisy

00:03:23.640 Is another

00:03:24.960 Kind of duet

00:03:26.320 Man

00:03:26.820 I discovered them

00:03:27.660 Through Military Gun

00:03:28.660 A punk band

00:03:29.740 And

00:03:30.920 Daisy

00:03:31.580 Is James Goodson

00:03:33.040 Really

00:03:33.480 He's from Richmond, Virginia

00:03:34.780 And he's just released

00:03:36.820 This new EP

00:03:37.900 Called Bad Penny

00:03:39.140 The Americans still have pennies

00:03:40.540 And

00:03:41.820 It's on

00:03:42.180 Laymo Records

00:03:42.860 Check it out

00:03:43.440 And the newest tune

00:03:44.540 I don't want to think about the money

00:03:45.940 Like

00:03:47.000 This guy's written

00:03:47.760 Lots of great pop songs

00:03:49.300 But this is probably

00:03:50.100 The best pop song

00:03:51.020 He's ever

00:03:51.580 Written

00:03:52.260 I've got

00:03:53.600 The LA

00:03:54.720 Indie

00:03:55.680 Rock

00:03:56.140 Quartet

00:03:57.040 Dear Boy

00:03:57.860 They've got a new album

00:03:59.100 I think it's new

00:04:00.360 Called Celebrator

00:04:02.800 And I've got their tune

00:04:04.560 Wanderlough

00:04:05.460 Not to be defunct

00:04:06.720 With the

00:04:07.200 Confused with the

00:04:08.940 Defunct

00:04:09.400 Irish band

00:04:10.680 Or anything called

00:04:11.820 Wanderlough

00:04:12.420 In fact

00:04:13.040 Got

00:04:14.600 Jawbreaker

00:04:15.340 Jawbreaker

00:04:16.620 Was

00:04:17.560 And is

00:04:18.280 A band

00:04:18.820 They were

00:04:19.940 American

00:04:20.640 Kind of pop

00:04:21.660 Punk

00:04:23.340 Emo band

00:04:24.240 Active

00:04:24.880 Late 80s

00:04:26.060 Early

00:04:26.280 Mid 60s

00:04:27.860 90s

00:04:29.180 And

00:04:30.000 Sorry I'm tired

00:04:31.600 From the Blue Jays

00:04:32.520 Reunited

00:04:34.100 And

00:04:34.920 They're super influential

00:04:37.160 In lots of bands

00:04:38.140 And also from San Francisco

00:04:39.960 Like Spiritual Cramps 0.80

00:04:41.020 So here is their tune

00:04:43.240 Boxcar

00:04:44.080 And I

00:04:45.000 The lyrics are so smart

00:04:47.360 Listen to this

00:04:48.380 Save your breath

00:04:49.560 I never was

00:04:50.400 One

00:04:50.780 Oh no

00:04:52.080 You're not a punk

00:04:52.940 And I'm telling everyone

00:04:54.700 Save your breath

00:04:55.520 I never was

00:04:56.320 One

00:04:56.580 You don't know

00:04:57.480 What I'm all about 0.99

00:04:58.340 Like killing cops 1.00

00:04:59.600 And reading 0.99

00:05:00.080 Kerouac

00:05:00.820 One

00:05:01.540 Two

00:05:01.800 Three

00:05:02.080 Four

00:05:02.380 Who's punk

00:05:03.040 What's the score

00:05:03.940 Reminded me of a hot

00:05:05.540 Nasty song I wrote 0.77

00:05:06.780 Called Fashion Show 0.53

00:05:08.160 A little less known

00:05:10.280 Same sentiment

00:05:11.940 Finally

00:05:12.560 I end with

00:05:13.280 This

00:05:13.540 I bet you you never

00:05:14.360 Expected to hear this

00:05:15.440 On the Kinsella cast

00:05:16.480 Jillian Welch

00:05:18.200 Who plays with her husband 0.94

00:05:19.620 She's an American singer 0.99

00:05:21.300 Songwriter

00:05:22.060 And

00:05:23.820 Secret truth

00:05:26.000 I love Sunvolt

00:05:27.560 I love

00:05:28.920 Kind of obscure

00:05:31.260 Alt country stuff

00:05:33.060 And she's got this

00:05:33.920 Appalachian rural thing

00:05:36.100 New Yorker once said

00:05:38.020 She's innovative

00:05:39.100 And obliquely reminiscent

00:05:40.500 Of past rural forms

00:05:42.200 Is that the New Yorker

00:05:45.080 Or what

00:05:45.500 And

00:05:46.540 Her tune

00:05:48.820 The devil

00:05:49.500 Had a hold of me

00:05:50.460 Maybe that's what

00:05:51.080 Happened to the Blue Jays

00:05:52.060 Last night

00:05:52.620 Who knows

00:05:53.860 But

00:05:54.160 This is my opinion

00:05:56.600 About baseball

00:05:57.740 And politics

00:05:58.500 Which are two very

00:05:59.400 Different things

00:05:59.960 For starters

00:06:00.720 Baseball has one

00:06:02.780 Moral dimension

00:06:03.640 Okay

00:06:04.340 Politics

00:06:04.920 Too often

00:06:05.760 Has no morality

00:06:06.780 At all

00:06:07.280 So what's the connection

00:06:08.620 Well it's this

00:06:09.680 I think

00:06:10.260 Blue Jays

00:06:11.920 Based in Toronto

00:06:13.020 Of all places

00:06:14.280 Were sent by a

00:06:15.660 Sympathetic God

00:06:16.520 To heal us

00:06:17.320 To act as a bomb

00:06:18.880 For our past

00:06:19.660 Psychic wounds

00:06:20.620 Specifically

00:06:21.980 The ones caused

00:06:22.860 By Donald Trump

00:06:23.620 So when the

00:06:24.440 Mango Mussolini

00:06:25.380 Started with his

00:06:26.620 51st state 0.99

00:06:27.700 Bullshit 0.99

00:06:28.360 Canadians 1.00

00:06:29.440 Thought it was

00:06:30.340 A bad joke

00:06:31.000 And after a while

00:06:31.700 Literally nobody

00:06:32.520 Was laughing anymore

00:06:33.700 His rantings

00:06:35.820 Left us feeling

00:06:36.980 Angry and shocked

00:06:38.420 And if the election

00:06:39.320 Results mean anything

00:06:40.740 Looking for someone

00:06:42.160 Anyone

00:06:42.580 To make the

00:06:43.580 Cheeto Benito

00:06:44.400 Go away

00:06:45.060 Canadians know

00:06:47.400 That we lack

00:06:49.100 The diplomatic

00:06:49.760 Or military clout

00:06:51.340 To lash out

00:06:52.140 At Trump

00:06:52.620 But we need it

00:06:54.020 And we need

00:06:54.900 Someone to defend

00:06:56.020 Our honour

00:06:56.480 To step up

00:06:57.180 To the plate

00:06:57.700 For us

00:06:58.160 Mark Carney

00:07:00.480 After this weekend

00:07:01.520 I've decided

00:07:02.220 Is not that guy

00:07:03.060 When he apologizes

00:07:04.160 To Donald Trump

00:07:05.600 For an ad

00:07:06.660 That was true

00:07:07.360 That accurately 0.99

00:07:09.280 Quoted Ronald Reagan

00:07:10.340 When he apologizes

00:07:11.420 For that

00:07:11.920 I think he has

00:07:13.180 Struck out

00:07:13.740 In my books

00:07:14.340 But next week

00:07:16.020 His capable

00:07:17.000 Finance minister

00:07:18.080 Will table

00:07:19.140 The most serious

00:07:20.060 Budget

00:07:20.480 In decades

00:07:21.820 And we should

00:07:23.780 All hope

00:07:24.240 That it provides

00:07:25.260 A map

00:07:25.760 Out of the

00:07:26.280 Trump induced

00:07:27.200 Chaos

00:07:27.820 But the Blue Jays

00:07:29.820 They stepped up

00:07:30.720 Like big time

00:07:31.940 And it's improbable

00:07:33.480 Verging on

00:07:34.440 Impossible

00:07:35.100 A bunch of men

00:07:36.520 Mainly Yanks 0.98

00:07:37.540 Playing a kids game

00:07:38.920 You know

00:07:39.180 Chasing a ball

00:07:40.020 Around a field

00:07:40.900 With a bit of

00:07:41.940 Rawhide

00:07:42.540 And some wooden

00:07:43.140 Sticks

00:07:43.680 And they

00:07:44.540 They given this

00:07:46.620 Sad and anxious

00:07:47.920 Country

00:07:48.660 A lift

00:07:49.380 When we really

00:07:50.180 Really needed it

00:07:51.160 They raised us up

00:07:52.480 There were all

00:07:54.500 Kinds of perfect

00:07:55.460 Blue Jays

00:07:56.360 Moments

00:07:56.840 In the World Series

00:07:57.740 My personal

00:07:59.180 Favour came

00:07:59.820 At the very

00:08:00.700 Start

00:08:01.220 And involved

00:08:02.420 The American

00:08:03.540 Name

00:08:04.020 George Springer

00:08:05.060 George Springer

00:08:06.300 And it wasn't

00:08:08.360 When his home

00:08:08.900 Run

00:08:09.220 Won

00:08:10.560 The Blue Jays

00:08:11.420 The ACLS

00:08:12.580 Final

00:08:13.100 And along with it

00:08:14.760 Their first

00:08:15.340 World Series spot

00:08:16.720 In more than

00:08:17.300 Three decades

00:08:17.940 Although it was

00:08:18.720 A pretty terrific

00:08:19.600 Homer

00:08:19.900 It came afterwards

00:08:21.660 When he and his

00:08:22.520 Teammates were

00:08:23.280 Celebrating and

00:08:24.340 Jumping around

00:08:25.340 Out on the

00:08:25.820 Baseball diamond

00:08:26.820 And Springer

00:08:27.500 Said this

00:08:28.140 This is a quote

00:08:28.740 I'm so happy

00:08:30.440 For our team

00:08:31.320 Our fans

00:08:32.820 Our city

00:08:33.600 Our country

00:08:34.480 End quote

00:08:35.600 Our country

00:08:37.380 A guy born

00:08:39.040 And raised

00:08:39.620 In Connecticut

00:08:40.340 Said that

00:08:41.060 And at that

00:08:41.600 Precise moment

00:08:42.340 I guarantee you

00:08:43.280 I'm a political

00:08:43.960 Hack

00:08:44.400 Springer would have

00:08:45.560 Been elected

00:08:45.980 Prime Minister

00:08:46.660 Without campaigning

00:08:47.800 With 110%

00:08:49.000 Of the vote

00:08:49.520 An American guy 0.88

00:08:51.040 Without even

00:08:51.800 Realizing it

00:08:52.620 Made us feel

00:08:53.200 Better than we

00:08:53.880 Had felt since

00:08:54.960 Before December

00:08:55.840 2023

00:08:56.480 Which was the

00:08:57.900 First time

00:08:58.300 Donald Trump

00:08:58.900 Said that we

00:08:59.420 Should be the 0.67

00:08:59.860 51st state

00:09:01.200 Now

00:09:02.160 You don't get

00:09:04.040 To be president

00:09:04.620 Of the United 0.58

00:09:04.920 States by being 1.00

00:09:05.720 Stupid 1.00

00:09:06.220 But what Trump 1.00

00:09:07.860 Said was deeply 1.00

00:09:09.060 Irredeemably stupid 1.00

00:09:10.760 Because if there's 1.00

00:09:11.440 One thing that

00:09:12.180 Unites Canadians

00:09:13.540 East to west

00:09:14.980 Left to right

00:09:16.280 Young and old

00:09:17.280 It's that we

00:09:18.140 Want to remain

00:09:18.820 Canadian

00:09:19.480 That bit of

00:09:21.080 Rock and turf

00:09:22.080 Under our feet

00:09:23.460 It's ours

00:09:24.900 There've been

00:09:26.520 Other perfect

00:09:27.300 Blue Jays

00:09:27.860 Moments

00:09:28.360 However

00:09:29.060 There are

00:09:29.480 Moments that

00:09:30.340 We will

00:09:30.880 Remember forever

00:09:31.820 In a day

00:09:32.400 It was

00:09:33.500 Montreal born

00:09:34.540 Vladimir Guerrero

00:09:36.240 Jr.

00:09:37.400 Weeping as he

00:09:38.300 Tried to describe

00:09:39.140 What he was

00:09:39.620 Feeling to be

00:09:40.660 Heading to the

00:09:41.300 World Series

00:09:42.000 He had

00:09:42.940 Trey

00:09:43.200 Savage

00:09:43.800 And he's

00:09:44.780 Younger than

00:09:45.400 Running shoes

00:09:46.480 That I have at

00:09:47.040 The back of my

00:09:47.600 Closet

00:09:48.120 Getting a

00:09:49.140 Historic 12

00:09:50.040 Strikeouts

00:09:50.820 And no

00:09:51.800 Walks

00:09:52.420 Against the

00:09:53.060 Pompous

00:09:53.700 Prissy

00:09:54.400 Puffed up

00:09:55.460 LA Dodgers

00:09:56.780 In game

00:09:57.140 Five

00:09:57.500 Steve

00:09:59.140 Schneider's

00:09:59.840 Dad

00:10:00.160 Capturing his

00:10:01.680 Son's first

00:10:02.520 Pitch home run

00:10:03.720 On his

00:10:04.300 Metaglasses

00:10:04.980 Which his

00:10:05.660 Son

00:10:05.960 Memorably

00:10:06.780 Called

00:10:07.200 Kind of 0.99

00:10:07.760 Dumb 0.99

00:10:08.040 And going 1.00

00:10:09.200 Viral with

00:10:09.840 The best

00:10:10.260 Play-by-play

00:10:11.080 Ever

00:10:11.660 Oh my god

00:10:12.360 Oh my god

00:10:12.900 Oh my god

00:10:13.480 You gotta be

00:10:13.960 Kidding me

00:10:14.780 Just see it

00:10:16.460 So nobody

00:10:16.900 Feels out

00:10:17.500 There have

00:10:17.840 Been some

00:10:18.200 Other

00:10:18.500 Non-Blue

00:10:19.480 Jays

00:10:19.920 Players

00:10:20.360 Moments

00:10:21.020 That have

00:10:21.320 Made us

00:10:21.640 Feel good

00:10:22.080 Too

00:10:22.420 It's like

00:10:23.200 The jacked

00:10:23.840 Up

00:10:24.060 Mesomorphs 0.99

00:10:25.500 Behind

00:10:25.840 Pull

00:10:26.120 On

00:10:26.240 Plate

00:10:26.640 The Jays

00:10:27.880 Fans

00:10:28.600 Chanting 0.93

00:10:29.320 A Dodgers

00:10:29.840 Stadium

00:10:30.260 Who you

00:10:30.680 Could hear

00:10:31.360 Over the

00:10:31.980 Dodgers 0.91

00:10:32.720 Fans

00:10:33.120 The guy

00:10:34.760 Dressed

00:10:35.140 Like

00:10:35.360 Colonel

00:10:35.660 Sanders

00:10:36.100 And

00:10:36.880 Here's

00:10:37.220 Some

00:10:37.340 Useful

00:10:37.700 Trivial

00:10:38.080 Pursuit

00:10:38.500 Information

00:10:39.040 Colonel

00:10:40.760 Sanders

00:10:41.120 Lived

00:10:41.640 In

00:10:42.260 Mississauga

00:10:42.960 For 15

00:10:43.600 Years

00:10:44.120 On Melton

00:10:45.100 Drive

00:10:45.540 Bet you

00:10:46.160 Didn't

00:10:46.360 Know

00:10:46.520 That

00:10:46.900 And

00:10:48.580 There

00:10:48.700 Have

00:10:48.800 Been

00:10:48.900 Those

00:10:49.140 Necessary

00:10:49.840 Moments

00:10:50.380 Of

00:10:50.720 Angry

00:10:51.400 Canadian

00:10:52.060 Prime

00:10:52.540 Like

00:10:53.600 When

00:10:53.760 The

00:10:53.880 Entire

00:10:54.220 Country

00:10:54.800 Threw

00:10:55.240 Beer

00:10:55.600 Cans

00:10:56.020 At

00:10:56.220 Their

00:10:56.400 Screens

00:10:56.920 When

00:10:57.480 A

00:10:57.620 Camera

00:10:57.940 Caught

00:10:58.340 Prince

00:10:58.700 Harry

00:10:58.980 You

00:10:59.200 Know

00:10:59.440 Don't

00:11:00.260 Pay

00:11:00.420 Attention

00:11:00.820 To

00:11:01.060 Me

00:11:01.200 But

00:11:01.360 Pay

00:11:01.520 Attention

00:11:01.840 To

00:11:01.980 Me

00:11:02.080 Prince

00:11:02.340 Harry

00:11:02.640 Wearing

00:11:04.120 A

00:11:04.540 Dodgers 0.91

00:11:05.020 Cap

00:11:05.420 On

00:11:07.000 Top

00:11:07.340 Of

00:11:07.520 His

00:11:07.720 Empty 0.97

00:11:08.220 Head

00:11:08.740 Where's

00:11:10.140 Guy

00:11:10.380 Fox

00:11:10.840 When

00:11:11.040 You

00:11:11.160 Need

00:11:11.380 Him

00:11:11.560 At

00:11:12.400 The

00:11:12.520 End

00:11:12.680 Of

00:11:12.820 It

00:11:12.920 All

00:11:13.120 Win

00:11:13.440 Lose

00:11:13.980 Whatever

00:11:14.560 Canadians

00:11:15.440 Will

00:11:15.800 Remember

00:11:16.280 This

00:11:16.620 October

00:11:17.100 As

00:11:17.560 A

00:11:17.760 Unicorn

00:11:18.420 Fairy

00:11:19.040 Tale

00:11:19.500 A

00:11:20.380 Magic

00:11:20.940 Dusted

00:11:21.760 Daydream

00:11:22.540 A

00:11:23.440 Wondrous

00:11:24.060 Time

00:11:24.580 Of

00:11:25.260 Bottomless

00:11:26.060 Glory

00:11:26.560 It

00:11:27.420 Was

00:11:27.580 Perfection

00:11:28.320 Because

00:11:29.480 We

00:11:29.700 Got

00:11:29.940 To

00:11:30.160 Say

00:11:30.460 To

00:11:30.700 Donald

00:11:31.040 Trump

00:11:31.440 We

00:11:32.480 Won

00:11:32.860 Pal

00:11:33.260 We

00:11:34.740 Beat

00:11:35.500 You

00:11:35.800 At

00:11:36.820 What

00:11:37.080 The

00:11:37.480 Yanks

00:11:37.780 Call

00:11:38.120 America's

00:11:38.760 Game

00:11:39.040 Us

00:11:40.240 We

00:11:40.900 Did

00:11:41.120 That

00:11:41.420 And

00:11:42.540 The

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00:11:51.640 We'll be right back.

00:12:21.640 We'll be right back.

00:12:51.640 We'll be right back.

00:13:21.640 We'll be right back.

00:13:52.320 How are you feeling about last night?

00:13:55.380 Well, sad and disappointed for the players because they really did work so hard.

00:14:01.640 And, you know, beyond the players, I don't think anyone's as disappointed as Chloe, who faithfully wore her bandana for every game, except game two when I forgot to put it on her.

00:14:13.460 And Duda Fleet cheered on the boys.

00:14:15.720 But, look, we started as wildly underestimated to even make it to the World Series.

00:14:23.780 And we took the repeat champions, Los Angeles Dodgers, to extra innings to the 11th inning of Game 7 of the World Series.

00:14:34.200 No one can say we didn't belong there, but manager John Schneider was – my colleague Mark Daniel was in the post-game news conference with him.

00:14:47.320 And he talked about how he was going to relive those bases-loaded moments for a long time.

00:14:54.660 Yeah.

00:14:54.920 And how they left men stranded, and they really did.

00:14:59.180 And he said, you know, in situations like Game 7, the players become legends or they become this close.

00:15:08.160 And he said, we were this close.

00:15:11.060 And, you know, they're very close to legends being born in both Game 6 and Game 7.

00:15:18.240 And, sadly, it did not happen.

00:15:20.620 We'll probably lose Beau Bichette to free agency this year. 0.98

00:15:24.320 George Springer may retire.

00:15:26.520 But there is a core of a team to continue building there.

00:15:30.060 You know, remember, at the end of the 24 season, they finished last.

00:15:35.600 Yep.

00:15:35.820 And then they came back and took the Dodgers to 11th inning of Game 7.

00:15:41.880 No need to hang your head in shame.

00:15:44.860 Still a loss.

00:15:45.960 Still going to hurt them.

00:15:47.560 And all those guys that did little mistakes, like Barger and getting caught out at second base in Game 6,

00:15:55.340 they're going to relive those in their minds until they find the soothing salve of victory.

00:16:02.080 And Springer getting caught out last night, too.

00:16:05.820 The thing I found fascinating, you know, I'm not a baseball expert.

00:16:10.420 I love, you know, I'm one of those playoffs guys.

00:16:12.500 I watch playoffs games.

00:16:15.020 You know, you get to know them.

00:16:16.900 You know, they're little, even though they're on TV and you're not talking to them.

00:16:20.340 You know, they're ticks and they're peccadillos and how they are.

00:16:23.420 And, you know, Kirk coming up to the plate and he was all business.

00:16:27.980 I love, he was my favorite, Blue Jay and Springer.

00:16:30.980 You could just, like, I found, you know, when he dropped to the dirt, I could, like, I was experiencing his pain.

00:16:38.020 You could see he was in pain.

00:16:39.780 And all these different injuries.

00:16:42.160 You get to know them, don't you?

00:16:43.920 Even though you don't know them.

00:16:45.500 Yeah.

00:16:46.140 Yeah, you really do.

00:16:47.340 And I've had the pleasure and the fortune to meet a number of the guys you just mentioned.

00:16:51.820 And their personalities that you're picking up on TV are very much the same when you meet them in person.

00:16:59.220 Of course, they're on, you know, they're out in public representing the team.

00:17:03.920 But they are a fantastic bunch of guys.

00:17:06.220 And you could see that they were having fun.

00:17:08.320 And Ernie Clement sliding into home for the fourth round.

00:17:11.220 That was awesome.

00:17:12.480 That was awesome.

00:17:13.020 He didn't need to slide.

00:17:15.220 But I wouldn't call it showboating.

00:17:17.000 This team got to where they were by having fun.

00:17:20.280 And he was having fun.

00:17:22.360 And the last two games didn't feel like the whole team was having fun.

00:17:26.800 Felt like the pressure was getting to them.

00:17:29.080 And, you know, kudos, guys.

00:17:32.640 Kudos.

00:17:33.700 But you broke my heart.

00:17:36.380 Was it a mistake?

00:17:37.560 One strategy.

00:17:38.300 It's one strategy question.

00:17:41.120 Neither of us are Buck Martinez.

00:17:43.060 But it felt to me like, you know, they obviously had a strategy of playing each game as a series, not playing the series.

00:17:50.460 Each game was a game.

00:17:51.980 You'd focus on the game.

00:17:53.360 But it felt like at the end when they were rifling through pitchers, that felt like a bit of panic was setting in.

00:18:00.960 It felt kind of ad hoc to me.

00:18:03.380 No, that was the right thing to do, to bring in your savage.

00:18:07.300 It's game seven.

00:18:08.400 There is no game age.

00:18:09.580 You've got to leave it all on the floor.

00:18:11.120 And so, yeah, your best – your savage, if it was a regular season, yesterday would have been his pitch day.

00:18:19.260 So that was the right thing to do.

00:18:23.140 Should they have done that in some of the earlier games to try and win them?

00:18:28.080 Yeah, perhaps.

00:18:29.440 You know, did they use Chris Bassett enough?

00:18:31.580 Should they have gone to Bassett instead of Little or Varland or Fluharty at different times?

00:18:37.820 Or Sir Anthony Dominguez.

00:18:40.680 Schneider's a better manager than you and I will ever be, even though a year ago everyone wanted him fired.

00:18:45.900 You know, there is strategy in sometimes going to a starter who's in the bullpen in the playoffs or going to the born and bred relievers because what they bring is just 100% heat all the time.

00:19:05.360 Whereas if you put in a Chris Bassett, he's not going to be throwing as fast and as hard, but he's got more nuance to his game and he can go in and relieve for two or three innings.

00:19:15.660 Well, my prediction is Trey Savage is probably – yes, Savage, not Trey Savage, I can mind his name as somebody else – is probably going to get a bit of a pay bump.

00:19:26.720 That's just –

00:19:27.380 Yes.

00:19:29.020 I hope he does.

00:19:30.880 Because he didn't play enough games to qualify as a rookie this year, he could be in contention.

00:19:37.280 If he has a great season next year, if he performs like he has so far, he could be up for rookie of the year next year.

00:19:42.860 Because I don't know, at $57,000 a year, I don't know how he's surviving in Toronto.

00:19:51.120 I think the team's picking up a few hotel bills for him.

00:19:53.940 Well, that's good.

00:19:55.180 So, Mark Kearney, there's no smooth transition I could make.

00:20:03.420 I, as you know, I've just been in a rage.

00:20:05.880 I supported Doug Ford's ad, quoting Ronald Reagan accurately.

00:20:12.460 It was a truthful, fair, positive ad, in fact.

00:20:18.420 And there's the Prime Minister of Canada on Friday, after bobbing and weaving, and you'll tell us all about that because you've got a front-page story about it,

00:20:26.880 apologizing to Donald Trump for an ad that told the truth.

00:20:33.080 It made me sick to my stomach.

00:20:35.280 See, you and I have a different reaction to this.

00:20:40.840 When he had just apologized to Donald Trump, and we found out that from Trump, I thought, okay, it's one of those things where, yeah, you didn't do anything wrong,

00:20:52.640 but, you know, to smooth over the relationship, you apologize. 0.80

00:20:57.180 And I'm sure that no man has ever done that with his wife, no wife with their husband, you haven't just said, okay, you're absolutely fucking wrong, thinking in your head, you're absolutely fucking wrong,

00:21:11.620 but I want this fight to go away, and I, you know, I want to smooth things over.

00:21:17.000 I want to make things better between us.

00:21:18.920 And we all do that in our personal lives, and that's how I took Kearney, apologizing to Trump.

00:21:23.780 I was like, okay, not my favorite thing, but I can get it.

00:21:28.060 But that's when we just heard from Trump on the plane.

00:21:31.400 Didn't it throw Doug Ford under the bus?

00:21:34.800 Well, you know, a little bit, but mildly.

00:21:37.740 It was when Kearney was out in front of the reporters, and he explained why he apologized to Trump, and pretty much the way I described it is that.

00:21:46.000 He said, well, the president was offended, and then he went into, and I wouldn't have run that ad.

00:21:50.680 And then kudos to Mackenzie Gray from Global following up, and then Jody Trinh from CTV later, and they got him to talk more about it.

00:22:00.180 Because the guy had been silent for a week, wouldn't even answer had he seen the ad.

00:22:06.040 And then I'm at the scrum at, oh, no, I wasn't at that one.

00:22:10.280 I was watching on TV.

00:22:11.480 It was at, you know, Ford scrummed a couple of times on this ad over the last week.

00:22:15.760 But Ford was asked at one point, well, how do you know he saw it?

00:22:21.200 I was there with him.

00:22:22.800 My guess is when Kearney dropped by Ford's house in Etobicoke on his way to an event a couple of weeks ago, Ford is like, hey, buddy, got to show you this.

00:22:31.780 And they watched it.

00:22:33.460 And Kearney was silent for a week, wouldn't say anything.

00:22:37.560 And then suddenly Trump says, oh, he apologized to me.

00:22:41.400 And then Kearney comes out and not only says he apologized, but says, well, I told him not to run it.

00:22:48.980 Okay.

00:22:49.640 And then he goes on about how I'm solely responsible for foreign relations with the American president.

00:22:55.320 My government is solely responsible for the relation between Canada and the United States.

00:23:01.420 Okay, buddy, then, you know, if that's how you feel, and it's accurate, but, you know, you shouldn't have run the ad and you're solely responsible.

00:23:12.700 Why didn't you tell him don't run it?

00:23:14.640 Now, Doug Ford can be like a bull in a giant shop.

00:23:17.700 He, you know, very stubborn guy.

00:23:19.700 But if the prime minister of the country is standing with him in his house and says, look, Doug, I get why you want to do this.

00:23:26.880 But here's what's going on with talks, and I think this will really mess things up.

00:23:31.320 Do you think Ford's going to still run the ad?

00:23:34.620 Probably not.

00:23:36.400 But he apologized.

00:23:38.040 He apologized.

00:23:39.480 And Donald Trump's still not speaking to us.

00:23:42.980 But when, what's the truth in here?

00:23:44.960 So this is why Kearney looks weak.

00:23:46.300 The apology makes him look weak.

00:23:47.960 But also, well, I told him not to run it.

00:23:50.140 And he ran it.

00:23:51.260 And you said nothing for a week.

00:23:52.880 Like, there's nothing that makes Kearney look like a good, strong leader out of any of this.

00:23:57.920 No.

00:23:58.280 And I'll point out that there were two election campaigns.

00:24:01.000 And whether you like the result or not, two election campaigns earlier this year, Doug Ford won on saying he would stand up to Donald Trump.

00:24:09.260 Got a resounding majority.

00:24:11.640 Mark Kearney ran on saying he would stand up to Donald Trump.

00:24:14.820 Got a resounding majority.

00:24:16.120 Which one of them is following up on their, on that election platform that got them elected?

00:24:24.420 So whether you like them personally or not, whether you support their party, whether you support the ad, one of them is following through on what they promised to be electors. 0.99

00:24:33.800 And the other one can't find his fucking elbows. 0.99

00:24:37.020 Yep. 1.00

00:24:37.960 And he threw Doug Ford under the bus.

00:24:39.580 I don't know if it's a chance for redemption, but I mean, the province, Ontario has got their fall economic statement, kind of a mini budget this week.

00:24:50.100 But the bigger, the bigger reveal will be the federal budget that Frankie Bubbles, as you coined him, has got.

00:24:59.080 And by the account of everybody, it is going to be a big, big deal, big budget, historic.

00:25:04.920 I've talked to people in Ottawa, say it's consequential.

00:25:09.820 It's a big Scrabble word, consequential.

00:25:12.660 What are you hearing?

00:25:14.140 What do you think?

00:25:14.860 I'd love to get, I'd love to get, love to get consequential in Scrabble.

00:25:21.720 You know, they had a thing that will not get as much attention as it should, and here's where I'll give them some credit.

00:25:27.500 They had a big announcement on rare earth minerals, two billion worth of investment, not as big as I'd hoped.

00:25:34.920 That seems to be the, you know, the thing with Mark Carney, and with a lot of women, after their first encounter with a man, not as big as I hoped.

00:25:44.340 It just keeps coming back to, well, we could be going bigger, but there's something.

00:25:48.920 He's doing something on rare earth minerals, and this was announced at a G7 minister's meeting here in Toronto this week.

00:25:56.040 And that's good.

00:25:58.280 How much more is in there in terms of building out infrastructure?

00:26:02.420 It's one thing to say that, well, we're going to pivot to Asia and we're going to do all these things.

00:26:08.140 One of the messages, and Goldie Heider from the Business Council of Canada talked about this.

00:26:13.200 One of the messages that Asian leaders that he was talking to, because he was part of the Canadian delegation,

00:26:19.700 they'd say, well, we want to sell you all this stuff.

00:26:22.700 And they're like, great.

00:26:23.880 Can you actually get it to us?

00:26:26.080 Because they know they've been part of these things.

00:26:28.240 Some of these companies like Petronas and Sino Oil and things like that,

00:26:35.420 they have been part of Canadian projects where millions and millions of dollars have been poured into them.

00:26:40.220 And then it gets canceled, or it doesn't get approved, or, well, there's a new regulatory hurdle that you have to jump over to in order to get approval that wasn't there when you started.

00:26:54.960 But we've made it up now.

00:26:57.120 And so there's a lot of skepticism.

00:27:00.020 Also, we have free trade agreements with most of the region through the Trans-Pacific Partnership, and we've done nothing with them.

00:27:07.180 We have free trade agreements with the European Union, and 10 out of 27 countries have not ratified it because they're annoyed with us at various things.

00:27:16.800 Ireland, France, Italy, Greece, these countries that we're supposedly friendly with won't ratify the deal.

00:27:24.420 We don't have a deal with Britain because we won't allow them to sell us the same amount of cheese that they were selling us when they were part of the European Union.

00:27:33.640 Why?

00:27:34.040 Because we don't want to piss off our dairy farmers by telling them, you have to do what you were doing last year.

00:27:39.460 No, we won't do that.

00:27:41.520 So, you know, it's great for Carney to go around the world, but the rest of the world has skepticism about us because, as I've been pointing out,

00:27:50.720 we are sometimes bad trading partners, or we're bad at regulatory.

00:27:56.280 So, unless he does a major lift on the regulatory front, him announcing that the government is going to back specific projects won't matter a whole lot because it's still going to be difficult for those projects to go ahead.

00:28:09.920 Well, in conclusion, there's one product they can export, and that is my new book, The Hidden Hand, which was announced.

00:28:20.540 Shameless plug.

00:28:22.020 You can pre-order now on Amazon and Indigo and lots of other fine platforms.

00:28:27.240 And Brian Lilly is in it.

00:28:31.240 I didn't write it.

00:28:32.140 He didn't write it, but he played a very important part in the book.

00:28:36.000 So, I encourage everybody to go out and buy lots of copies for Christmas and Hanukkah.

00:28:41.540 My friend, I'm sad we're sad, but they gave us a hell of a ride.

00:28:46.480 It was a great October.

00:28:49.480 So, thank you, sir.

00:28:50.540 Have a great day and a great week.

00:28:52.640 Talk soon.

00:28:53.120 We'll be right back.

00:29:23.120 We'll be right back.

00:29:53.120 We'll be right back.

00:30:23.100 If it's not funny, I don't wanna be what I'm becoming

00:30:28.760 So if you call me, I'll come running now

00:30:33.540 If you call me, I'll come running now

00:30:41.180 Yeah, if you call me, I'll come running now

00:30:48.760 If you call me, I'll come running now

00:30:56.040 If you call me, I'll come running now

00:31:03.920 If you call me, I'll come running now

00:31:11.360 I don't wanna be what I'm becoming

00:31:14.480 So if you call me, I'll come running now

00:31:19.360 Goodbye

00:31:40.640 You'll be scared of what's coming

00:32:04.540 But you'll be fine

00:32:07.360 I don't need nobody else

00:32:13.900 I guess I'll end things to the sky

00:32:17.780 I love sad songs

00:32:23.780 No, it's a show

00:32:27.180 But if it's not

00:32:30.620 We're back in town

00:32:34.500 But I'm gone

00:32:38.340 Can't trust my intuition

00:32:42.800 I'm always wrong

00:32:46.060 I don't need nobody else

00:32:52.300 I guess I'll end things to the sky

00:32:56.860 You got my number

00:32:59.100 But you won't show me

00:33:01.420 You got my number

00:33:06.860 But you won't show me

00:33:09.100 You got my number

00:33:22.940 Goodbye

00:33:32.220 Down on

00:33:36.080 Did you eat, did you sleep tonight

00:33:40.480 Are you alright

00:33:43.320 So long

00:33:48.020 Do I even belong

00:33:51.380 Is this life

00:33:55.580 I'll be fine

00:34:06.080 You got my number

00:34:19.780 420

00:34:21.080 Call me

00:34:23.080 You got my number

00:34:27.080 420

00:34:29.080 Call me

00:34:31.080 You got my number

00:34:35.080 But you won't show me

00:34:37.080 Call me

00:34:40.080 You got my number

00:34:43.080 But you won't show me

00:34:45.080 Call me

00:34:46.080 Call me

00:34:48.080 You are listening to the Ben Mulrooney Show. It would be very boring if it were just me for three straight hours, which is why we bring in far more interesting people than I. And today we've got two of the most interesting, Warren Kinsella and Chris Chapin. They're joining us.

00:35:06.080 They're joining us as part of our This Week in Politics closing panel on Fridays. Guys, thanks so much for being here.

00:35:24.080 Thanks for having us.

00:35:26.080 Thanks for having us.

00:35:27.080 Okay, Warren, I want to start with you. And before I get to the question, I'm going to give you a little bit of a preamble, which is that and I've told this story a couple times now that I was at the Friends of the Simon Wiesenthal Center Spirit of Hope Gala two nights ago, honoring allies of the Jewish community, seven people who have stood up for the Jewish community. One of those people being my brother. We were all very proud. My mom was there.

00:35:53.080 My mom was there. Whole family was there. It was great. Van Jones and Scott Galloway were in conversation and that was there was a Blue Jays game going on. And to be honest, I was very glad to have been listening to those two gentlemen speak. However, I noticed the absence of Olivia Chow and I asked some of the people involved and they said, well, she wasn't invited. I said, well, why not? Because, well, this is an event for allies. Would you consider her an ally? I said, I guess not.

00:36:19.920 And then without me asking, they said, and we didn't invite Mark Carney either. And because we don't consider him an ally either. And I thought that was very interesting. But then when I see that Mark Carney hasn't yet met with the families of victims killed by Hamas. And it's, you know, I, what do you think?

00:36:39.680 Well, I wasn't invited either.

00:36:44.880 I don't think anybody would ever view you as anything but the staunchest of allies.

00:36:48.980 Yeah, but, you know, was it a well-organized event? Honestly, Ben, like, I don't think it was, to be blunt, because I've heard from a lot of people who were surprised that they didn't hear about it.

00:37:02.060 Not inviting the prime minister and the mayor, notwithstanding what you feel about them, it's stupid. It's stupid. You know, they are people, whether they like it or not, have power and have influence. And I understand the hurt feelings and so on. And I'm a supporter of the Jewish community, like both of you guys are. 1.00

00:37:20.780 But, you know, you have to reach out. Yitzhak Rabin had the most relevant line of all, former prime minister of Israel. Who do you make peace with but your enemy? Who do you make peace with but your enemy? So you have to reach out. You have to try and get as many friends as you can in different places. And not inviting them, I think it was dumb.

00:37:45.840 And that's, and I'm not a fan of Olivia Chow, but I think it was a dumb move. 0.99

00:37:51.860 Okay, fair enough. Now, but let's go to the story that Mark Carney hasn't met with the victims, the families of the victims yet. I was surprised to read that. And I'm not going to lie, a little disappointed.

00:38:02.680 Yeah, well, that that's legitimate. In fact, Justin Trudeau and Mark Carney are the only G7 leaders who have not traveled to Israel to pay tribute to the victims of October 7th, not the government of Netanyahu, you know, not the, you know, the bureaucracy in Israel, just the people, the victims of which seven were Canadian.

00:38:28.020 Trudeau didn't go to Israel, and Carney still hasn't either. Now Carney, when he was governor of the Bank of Canada, did go to Israel, but that was before October 7th. And all of us know, it's really important to go and show whether you like the Netanyahu government or not, to go and show solidarity.

00:38:47.020 And that's why I think it's the criticism I make of the Simon Wiesenthal people, when I think they're dumb not to reach out to Carney and to Chow, is it gives those two people now an excuse not to do anything for them and say, well, look, they didn't even invite me. So what do you want me to do?

00:39:03.340 So like, you've got to make peace with your enemy. And that cuts that applies to both sides.

00:39:09.260 All right, well, we're going to go now to the starting third baseman for the Toronto Blue Jays, Chris Chapin. Chris, do you see things the same way as Warren?

00:39:17.020 No, a little different. Like, I think, to your question about Mark Carney, not visiting with any of the families of the victims who were killed by Hamas in Israel, you know, completely unacceptable.

00:39:29.680 To Justin Trudeau's credit, at least he did, before he stepped down from office as the right and appropriate thing to do for a prime minister.

00:39:37.180 I'm not going to speak to the logistics of the, you know, the Spirit of Hope gala.

00:39:40.600 I think I can see it both ways on whether you, you know, how many times you're going to be fooled by inviting people who, you know, you know, the mayor specifically have just made up ridiculous excuses in the past for why she's chosen not to stand by the Jewish community in this city.

00:39:55.480 You know, has made up scheduling errors or, you know, use the old I must have missed it in my inbox excuse to why she hasn't attended events in the past.

00:40:03.960 So I think I can see it from both sides on, you know, in terms of the event, the logistics itself.

00:40:08.440 But, you know, for Mark Carney to have chosen, I think it's a deliberate choice so far to not have chosen to meet with the families of the victims of these terrorist attacks by Hamas.

00:40:17.540 And, you know, I was encouraged by the article to see that it sounds like his director of communications said the prime minister would be reaching out to these families shortly.

00:40:25.360 But I think sometimes it's a little too late.

00:40:27.760 And, you know, it certainly shouldn't be spurned on.

00:40:29.780 Action should never be spurned on by a media request.

00:40:32.900 Well, listen, it's not all bad news, you know, and he's got a lot of balls in the air.

00:40:36.460 Some of them are bound to drop every now and then.

00:40:39.120 One of them that seems to be stick handling pretty well.

00:40:42.400 That's why I'm mixing my metaphors there.

00:40:44.440 Mining in Canada is doing well.

00:40:47.560 It looks like Europe is going to have access to Canada's critical minerals.

00:40:51.660 Is this a home run for the prime minister and for this government, Chris Chapin?

00:40:57.000 Yeah, I think it absolutely is.

00:40:58.640 It's, you know, I don't want to give the Carney government too much credit so far because I think I've been left wanting more.

00:41:04.320 I've been quite impressed by Minister Hodgson.

00:41:07.380 I think he's clearly, you know, a top shelf cabinet minister for this government.

00:41:11.740 Given his background and his relationship with the prime minister, I don't think that should come as any surprise.

00:41:16.240 But the work he's done with his, you know, respective minister here in Ontario, Stephen Lecce,

00:41:20.920 I think they've made terrific strides in the short period of time.

00:41:24.560 It takes a lot of work and a lot of effort to undo so much of the bureaucracy that was keeping these critical minerals in the ground in this country.

00:41:32.400 And I think both ministers deserve a heck of a lot of praise because it is a huge economic opportunity.

00:41:37.340 We've been sitting on for decades in this province, just like we've been sitting on, you know,

00:41:42.620 bountiful resources of oil and natural gas across this country.

00:41:45.700 We are blessed with that.

00:41:46.700 We should be a far, far, far richer country than we have been for far too long.

00:41:50.980 And so I'll give Prime Minister Carney and his government the dues that I think they deserve on this for moving quickly.

00:41:57.660 And I think the faster we can see these minerals and our natural resources exported, not just south of the border,

00:42:03.800 I'd like to see it get back there, but to our allies in Europe, the better for them and the better for us.

00:42:09.700 Warren, is it going to take a prime, shining example of developing one sector, one mine, one project,

00:42:17.760 seeing one business, one industry take off and seeing the tax dollars flow from that into the coffers of the federal government,

00:42:26.080 which they can then turn around and pay for all of their social services?

00:42:29.320 Is it going to take an example like that for the for them to shoot the lock off and really allow us to the country to really responsibly develop our natural resources the way we should have been doing over the past 10 years?

00:42:42.760 That's a great question. I mean, it shouldn't take that for that to happen.

00:42:48.280 We should have the common sense to know.

00:42:50.280 But, you know, I'm an Albertan who worked in the oil patch and I know, you know, when Alberta succeeds, when the oil patch succeeds, so does the country.

00:42:59.700 So but I think all levels of government get this.

00:43:02.200 Chris is a Tory and just gave credit to the Liberals.

00:43:04.500 And I've been a Liberal and I'll give credit to the Tories.

00:43:07.120 You know, Doug Ford has been running ads.

00:43:09.460 Well, his Reagan ad isn't running anymore, but he's been running Ring of Fire ads during the World Series.

00:43:15.240 All of us have seen them about 6,000 times.

00:43:17.540 And the point he's making is the one you're making, which is we need success in this sector in extracting, you know, precious minerals and natural resources.

00:43:29.760 Like we're a natural resources country.

00:43:32.020 It's crazy for us to be leaving it in the ground.

00:43:34.720 So that's Carney's point.

00:43:36.560 That's Ford's point.

00:43:37.520 And they're absolutely right.

00:43:38.700 But I'm with Chris.

00:43:40.000 Like I'm from Missouri and I'm from Calgary.

00:43:43.940 Prove it to me.

00:43:44.820 Prove it to me that you're actually going to do it.

00:43:47.240 I know you want to do it.

00:43:48.840 Let's see you now do it.

00:43:50.080 Yeah.

00:43:50.280 And I'll agree.

00:43:51.180 And I'll say the one thing that's always surprised me is, you know, for like the NDP, for example, where they are so hell bent on keeping all of these resources in the ground.

00:43:59.940 But they have these dreams and designs on massive social spending projects that could be paid for if we extracted these resources responsibly.

00:44:09.900 Like it's – they should be perfect bedfellows and yet they're not.

00:44:14.720 Anyway, that's my point on that.

00:44:16.420 We're going to take a quick break.

00:44:17.360 And when we come back, more with Chris Chapin and Warren Kinsella right here on the Ben Mulroney Show.

00:44:28.720 Welcome back to the Ben Mulroney Show.

00:44:30.960 And gentlemen, I wanted to throw a curveball at you because there was a question that's been sticking in my craw all morning about this game of almost like narrative chicken,

00:44:41.100 a blame game over if – if this budget that we've been waiting for for 18 months that is going to be tabled on November 4th for some reason,

00:44:51.620 if it doesn't pass as a confidence motion, the government would fall and we would be in a Christmas election.

00:44:57.740 Who would be to blame?

00:44:59.720 And liberals are saying it would be the conservatives' fault.

00:45:01.860 The conservatives are saying it would be the liberals' fault.

00:45:04.840 And I wonder – both of you know this world far more than I.

00:45:08.200 And we'll start with you, Chris.

00:45:10.240 What do you think is going on here?

00:45:13.800 I mean, Ben, it's just your standard minority government political game of chicken, to be bluntly honest.

00:45:21.600 And we see this at every level of the government across the country that's had a minority parliament or a minority legislature.

00:45:28.560 You know, to be honest, I don't think it matters.

00:45:31.780 I think either party is thinking that they're going to get the upper hand in this right now.

00:45:35.780 So, you know, notwithstanding the sweater I'm wearing, I think 16 million people tuned in to Games 1 and 2 of the World Series.

00:45:43.100 If they think any Canadians paying any attention to what's happening in Ottawa over a game of chicken, over who might allow the budget to pass or not,

00:45:50.780 I think they're, you know, as tone deaf as they typically are in the Ottawa bubble.

00:45:55.240 So I think, you know, liberals are going to blame conservatives and conservatives are going to blame liberals.

00:46:00.820 You know, conservative party supporters are going to blame the liberals and liberal party supporters are going to blame the conservatives.

00:46:04.980 And Chris, that's fine.

00:46:06.840 But at some point, listen, I think the budget's going to pass.

00:46:10.140 That's my gut feeling on this.

00:46:11.820 But if it doesn't, we are going to be in an election.

00:46:14.480 People will be paying attention at that point.

00:46:16.740 And I think a lot of people are going to be angry and they're going to be looking to blame someone for sending us to the polls.

00:46:22.460 And Warren, you've been through this.

00:46:24.120 And Chris just said that this happens all the time in minority governments.

00:46:27.660 So who, who is, who are the, who are Canadians going to blame for putting us back in an election?

00:46:34.720 If, if, if, like I can see that.

00:46:37.360 Yeah, I can, I can see that.

00:46:39.240 If my grandmother had, if my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a bus. 1.00

00:46:42.520 Like, you know, and so let's say there is an election, like, you know, and then people will be talking about how grumpy they are for the first day, as they always do.

00:46:52.780 And then they get over it.

00:46:53.840 The only exception being the Peterson mistake, you know, so many years ago.

00:46:58.480 But, I mean, let's look at the fundamentals here, guys.

00:47:01.200 Like, Chris is totally right.

00:47:02.720 This is just Ottawa games.

00:47:04.620 This is proof positive that Ottawa is two square miles surrounded by reality.

00:47:09.520 Like, you've got an NDP that does not have a leader.

00:47:12.680 You've got a Conservative Party led by a guy who's really unpopular.

00:47:17.160 You've got the Conservative Party overflowing with money and the polls saying that they would win a majority if there was an election.

00:47:25.760 Like, in what universe does it make sense for the opposition to force an election?

00:47:30.820 Like, they're, they're going to lose the election if they do do that.

00:47:34.080 And it just makes no sense whatsoever.

00:47:36.540 So, I think, you know, some, some dippers and some Tories are going to get diplomatic flu on the day it comes to vote for the budget and, and things keep on moving.

00:47:45.720 That's the way it always works.

00:47:46.700 All right.

00:47:46.860 That's what's going to happen here.

00:47:47.900 All right.

00:47:48.260 I'm going to, I'm going to remember this.

00:47:49.740 We're going to, we're going to, we're going to clip this and we're going to play it on, on whenever, whenever the vote comes.

00:47:54.280 Um, okay, this, uh, the Cowichan, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, land claim, uh, issue out of British Columbia, uh, now, um, Quebec has picked up the ball and indigenous groups are asking for about $5 billion.

00:48:07.740 Um, Warren, I was speaking with somebody who, who had me thinking about this in a, in a, in a new way, which is we're living in an era of reconciliation, but also decolonization.

00:48:18.780 And those two concepts, uh, are designed to eat each other. 0.66

00:48:24.260 Uh, one cannot exist in the presence of the other, uh, as, as goes the theory.

00:48:30.260 Uh, and I gotta, I gotta ask, I think you were on the show.

00:48:32.820 You told us a while ago that this wasn't the big deal that some people were making.

00:48:36.780 And I mean, I hope I'm, I hope I'm remembering that correctly.

00:48:39.280 Uh, but is it turning out to be a bigger deal now?

00:48:43.100 Uh, regionally it is, you know, some places, you know, people who have 99 year leases.

00:48:47.980 And finding, you know, that they've got a landlord, which isn't an indigenous band or first nation unhappy, but you know, my daughter is indigenous as you know, Ben, and you know, she has the best take on this at all.

00:49:00.400 It's like, dad, you know, they do all these invocations and these, you know, uh, poetic statements at the start of every single event.

00:49:07.920 Now we're standing on the land, uh, the Anishinaabe or the Ojibwe or the Cree or whatever.

00:49:13.660 And she said, well, which is it like, is it, is it our land or not?

00:49:17.780 If it's our land, give us fair market value.

00:49:19.720 If it's not, then shut up about it.

00:49:21.700 Yeah.

00:49:21.880 So I think you're right in the sense that white people, people like us are trying to have it both ways.

00:49:28.760 Either we acknowledge that, you know, first nations have some kind of say in indigenous lands and indigenous real estate, frankly, or they don't.

00:49:38.560 Yeah.

00:49:39.020 And, but we need to pick a lane, not them.

00:49:41.320 And like them, they're acting in their self-interest.

00:49:43.440 Yeah.

00:49:43.640 If they hire a smart lawyer and come after somebody and say, you owe us a lot of money, well, good on them because, you know, that's what everybody else does.

00:49:51.180 Yeah.

00:49:51.460 And Chris, you know, when you're looking at it like that, it's, it's hard to fault the indigenous, um, stakeholders here because yeah, he's right.

00:49:59.200 If there's an opportunity for them to benefit themselves, their, uh, their, uh, and their people, why wouldn't they take it? 0.98

00:50:06.240 If, if we are, if we are going to, uh, create the, um, the, the framework for this sort of thing to happen, they would be, they would be stupid not to take advantage. 0.99

00:50:18.460 Absolutely. 0.95

00:50:19.120 You know, I, I might disagree with some of how we're handling this, but yeah, like, I mean, we had, you know, just what this past week, the national anthem, the controversy over, you know, changing the words in the national anthem during the baseball game about, you know, on native land.

00:50:32.640 And then, you know, it's, it's absolutely something, why wouldn't you, if we're going to keep pretending to Warren's point, uh, and not pick a lane on whether, you know, it's, it's their land or our land or somewhere in between, why wouldn't you keep trying to, you know, claim and get a financial benefit out of it?

00:50:47.340 Um, because we've shown time and time again, that we're unsure on what position we're going to take and the awards have followed.

00:50:53.440 All right.

00:50:54.020 In the last couple of minutes that we have, we are going to focus on these national anthems.

00:50:58.140 I have no idea what the heck's going on here.

00:51:00.240 This is just, this is just crazy.

00:51:02.640 And, and so I had a theory yesterday.

00:51:04.860 I put this out there into the ether and maybe, maybe someone will pay attention.

00:51:08.360 I think anybody at any one of these games that needs to be signed a contract, it should be a standard contract.

00:51:15.400 You sing the words of the anthem as they are written, or you, there's some sort of financial penalty.

00:51:22.500 What do you think?

00:51:23.880 Chris, you go first.

00:51:25.740 I, I, I agree.

00:51:27.120 I think you have the right to be a terrible singer and butcher the, the sound that comes out of your mouth when you're singing the national.

00:51:32.620 Yeah.

00:51:33.480 Uh, I don't think you have any right to, to change the lyrics whatsoever, uh, of our national anthem, uh, full stop.

00:51:41.040 Yeah.

00:51:41.740 Warren, what are your thoughts?

00:51:44.200 Well, I don't know the lyrics.

00:51:45.740 Yeah.

00:51:46.040 They change it.

00:51:47.160 They change it so much.

00:51:48.860 And, uh, but I kind of liked what Rufus Rainwright did in game five, you know, saying he's sending a message to the Americans.

00:51:57.060 So I was like, Oh, okay.

00:51:58.640 Well, it's not his, it's not, he's not, he's not, he's not there to send a message.

00:52:03.180 It's not, that's not why he's there.

00:52:04.760 He's there to sing the national anthem.

00:52:07.240 Well, my, the alternative was beating the stuffing at a Prince Harry and failing that, you know, I got Rufus Rainwright.

00:52:14.280 So I wanted Prince Harry to get the stuffing out of him.

00:52:17.560 But anyway, look, it doesn't matter.

00:52:19.340 All that matters tonight is Yamamoto.

00:52:21.440 Yeah.

00:52:21.860 Yamamoto, I think is going to step on our dreams tonight.

00:52:24.460 Could be wrong, but that's my prediction.

00:52:26.680 Well, but you, Chris Chapin, I mean, you're going to be, you're suiting up, uh, clearly.

00:52:29.580 Uh, what are you playing shortstop?

00:52:32.400 I, you know, I, I wish in my dreams, I still play shortstop for the blue Jays, Ben, but, uh, listen, 92, the Jays beat the Braves in six games, 93, they beat the Phillies in six games.

00:52:43.640 So I'm, I'm hopeful that, uh, history repeats itself, that if the blue Jays are going to win a World Series.

00:52:47.760 He just jinxed it.

00:52:49.060 Chapin just jinxed it. 1.00

00:52:50.120 No, we do it in six games.

00:52:51.260 There's nothing I could possibly do to jinx it.

00:52:53.020 Warren Kinsella, if Chris Chapin has that power to, to, to, to alter the, the, the fates of the blue Jays with a simple phrase, then my God, you're, he's not using his talents.

00:53:04.240 Hallelujah.

00:53:04.720 He's not using his talents properly.

00:53:06.920 Uh, but let's, I will end on, I'll end on this.

00:53:09.860 It just, um, it's been such a wonderful feeling.

00:53:13.240 Like we've got so much negative news out there for the, what the Jays have done across this country in bringing us together and, and, and putting this wonderful, joyous team together, winning games in exciting ways.

00:53:24.340 And when they lose, they lose in exciting ways as well.

00:53:27.600 Uh, I don't think any of us could have predicted this or expected it.

00:53:31.500 I know we don't deserve it, uh, but we're enjoying it.

00:53:34.220 Uh, and, uh, they're not a, I totally agree.

00:53:36.740 They're not a baseball team.

00:53:37.860 They've healed us all that Trump 51st state stuff.

00:53:40.720 I've got to call them about this, this weekend.

00:53:42.880 They, you know, we've been feeling crummy.

00:53:45.000 The blue Jays, this team of a mainly American boys have made us feel great.

00:53:49.980 God bless them.

00:53:50.720 God bless them.

00:53:51.220 And God bless the both of you.

00:53:52.280 Thank you very much.

00:53:53.060 Enjoy your weekend.

00:53:53.700 Happy Halloween.

00:53:54.380 Go Jays.

00:53:54.800 Go.

00:54:06.960 Do you want me?

00:54:10.720 Do you want me?

00:54:40.720 Count the seconds until they go.

00:54:44.680 Last one out of the undertoe.

00:54:48.820 And I do look at the circumstance.

00:54:53.180 Tallest boy in the avalanche.

00:54:56.500 Will you go?

00:54:59.720 I want to know.

00:55:03.720 I want to know.

00:55:05.380 Can you feel me?

00:55:24.340 Somewhere in the avalanche.

00:55:25.340 Do you want me?

00:55:28.580 Somewhere in the avalanche.

00:55:34.760 Keep me in whenever in mind.

00:55:39.260 Do you see me?

00:55:40.880 Do you want me?

00:55:42.500 A couple seconds until they go

00:55:50.500 Last one out of the undertow

00:55:54.540 And aren't you lucky for circumstance

00:55:58.720 Tall as boy in the avalanche

00:56:02.720 Could you go?

00:56:06.400 Want to know

00:56:08.160 The future breaks my heart

00:56:23.560 It's over once it starts

00:56:31.920 Can't take time apart

00:56:37.920 Count the seconds until they go

00:56:44.120 Last one out of the undertow

00:56:48.320 And aren't you lucky for circumstance

00:56:51.920 Tall as boy in the avalanche

00:56:56.520 Could you go?

00:56:57.780 Want to know

00:57:01.780 We could go

00:57:05.780 Want to know

00:57:09.780 We could go

00:57:13.780 Want to know

00:57:17.780 We could go

00:57:21.780 We could go

00:57:23.780 We could go

00:57:27.780 We could go

00:57:29.780 We could go

00:57:33.780 We could go

00:57:35.780 We could go

00:57:39.780 We could go

00:57:41.780 Now I was just a girl of two

00:57:54.420 Now I was just a girl of two

00:58:01.300 With a golden heart and a button shoe

00:58:05.340 The devil had a hold of me

00:58:12.340 The devil had a hold of me

00:58:18.160 I turned my head and I could see

00:58:25.060 The devil had a hold of me

00:58:29.100 There was something wrong with the butcher's boy

00:58:34.660 There was something wrong with the butcher's boy

00:58:41.660 He'd travel in his hand and voice

00:58:45.820 The devil had a hold of me

00:58:52.660 The devil had a hold of me

00:58:57.660 The others knew to let him be

00:59:04.660 The devil had a hold of me

00:59:08.820 And the tailpipe spit an engine roll

00:59:15.820 The tailpipe spit an engine roll

00:59:21.820 I was bleeding out a play of me

00:59:26.820 And the devil had a hold of me

00:59:33.820 The devil had a hold of me

00:59:38.820 The old folks saw all the last they'd see 1.00

00:59:45.820 The devil had a hold of me

00:59:49.820 I dreamed last night that my time was done

00:59:58.820 I dreamed last night that my time was done

01:00:04.820 I dreamed last night that my time was done

01:00:11.820 I dreamed last night that my time was done

01:00:17.820 But the devil had a hold of me

01:00:18.820 My soul flew up to the holy sun

01:00:22.820 But the devil had a hold of me

01:00:28.820 The devil had a hold of me

01:00:30.820 The devil had a hold of me

01:00:35.820 I snapped back down when he pulled my lead

01:00:41.820 The devil had a hold of me

01:00:45.820 The devil had a hold of me

01:01:03.820 There are those who laugh and not believe

01:01:08.820 There are those who laugh and not believe

01:01:14.820 Until you feel that touch upon your sleeve

01:01:19.820 The devil had a hold of me

01:01:25.820 The devil had a hold of me

01:01:31.820 I turned my head and I could see

01:01:37.820 The devil had a hold of me

01:01:42.820 The devil had a hold of me

01:01:44.820 The devil had a hold of me

01:01:54.820 The devil had a hold of me

01:01:56.820 The devil had a hold of me

01:01:58.820 The devil had a hold of me

kinsellacast - November 02, 2025

KINSELLACAST 386： An October to remember with Lilley, Mulroney and more - plus Dazy, Spiritual Cramp and Sharon von Etten, Jawbreaker and Gillian Welch

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