kinsellacast - KINSELLACAST 390： Pipe dreams with Lilley, Sa'd, Pierson and more - plus Hot Water Music, Jeff Rosenstock, Fraulëin, Dexter and the Moonrocks

00:00:00.000 It's the KinsellaCast starring Warren Kinsella.

00:00:20.780 Hey, it's Warren. Welcome to the KinsellaCast.

00:00:22.940 By the time you hear this, I will be folded like a pretzel on a seat, loosely defined as seat, on an Air Canada flight to England.

00:00:36.360 Ian and I are going there for the week, and so I figured I'd do a podcast ahead of time.

00:00:42.740 And next week's we're going to be doing From Over There, and then heading back for the holiday season.

00:00:51.100 So, welcome to KinsellaCast. Great show this week.

00:00:55.040 Brian Lilly, of course, and Karim Asad, regulars, but also Alex Pearson, Chris Chapin, some other folks, and some great music.

00:01:03.740 I've got a fry cook, an oil field operator, a concrete surface decorator, and a kid's baseball coach, which is Dexter and the Moon Rocks.

00:01:15.860 They're from West Texas, and they've got their super, super catchy tune, sat in Carolina to start things off.

00:01:23.140 Then I've got Hot Water Music, who I played before, who I love, and with their song, Much Love.

00:01:30.800 And Hot Water Music has a big Canadian connection, because Chris Cresswell, of the Flatliners, the pride of Whitby,

00:01:38.600 is a sometime guitarist and vocalist with Hot Water Music.

00:01:43.700 Even though they're from Florida, he's from Whitby, they all came together for punk rock.

00:01:48.740 The Head, this crazed tune by Jeff Rosenstock.

00:01:53.340 I saw Jeff Rosenstock for the first time last year, and it was a blast.

00:01:58.220 I just wandered in. It was just down the street, so I figured, what the hell, I've got nothing else to do.

00:02:02.320 And I walked in, and he was wearing pink sweatpants, and I thought, what is not to love about this guy?

00:02:09.380 Fraulein are next. They are from Northern Ireland, and they're Dutch as well.

00:02:17.600 Joni Samuels and Karsten Vandertoll.

00:02:20.680 And they kind of can do loud, it's this kind of pixies, you know, quiet, loud, quiet, loud thing.

00:02:28.940 But they make it work, and they've got a bit of PJ Harvey mixed in there as well.

00:02:34.920 And I've got their song, Big Cool, and then finally I've got Little Star.

00:02:38.660 They're a six-piece from Australia.

00:02:41.520 It's psych rock, punk rock, doom metal, there's weird stuff in there.

00:02:47.880 A couple albums, Being Close and Little Star, and this song I'm playing for you is called Badminton.

00:02:52.280 So, Ottawa, November 2025, members of the RCMP's central region, along with some cops from New York and the OPP, make an arrest.

00:03:03.420 And the accused has been editing and posting ISIS videos.

00:03:09.020 And the accused has been trying to get property in the Toronto area to work with arms to get better aim.

00:03:17.280 It was terrorism and a dangerous threat, the cops said.

00:03:20.720 The accused, a teenager.

00:03:23.440 Montreal, August 2025, RCMP again, along with something called the Integrated National Security Enforcement Team,

00:03:31.100 make an arrest of an individual who they said intended to carry out at least one attack on behalf of the Islamic State,

00:03:38.020 charged with providing property for terrorism, participation in terror group, facilitating terrorist activity.

00:03:44.360 17 years old.

00:03:47.700 Ottawa, again, February 2024, RCMP and the various intelligence agencies arrest two individuals who they said planned to violent,

00:03:57.800 so it was a mass casualty event.

00:04:00.220 They planned to attack Jewish persons in Ottawa, possibly through the detonation of an explosive device at a pro-Israel rally in Parliament Hill.

00:04:09.560 And he and I were there.

00:04:10.780 And, anyway, it didn't happen.

00:04:14.160 Lots of other bad stuff happened there.

00:04:16.220 But they charged these two with conspiring to commit murder, facilitating terrorist activity, trying to get firearms, possessing an explosive substance.

00:04:27.540 They had metal ball bearings to cause maximum damage to those of us who were on the Hill.

00:04:32.060 And they were 17 and 15 years old.

00:04:36.440 There are many, many other stories like that, guys.

00:04:39.760 Like, between April 2023 and March 2024, so basically less than a year, the RCMP made 25 arrests,

00:04:48.640 charging suspects with 83 terrorism-related offenses,

00:04:52.700 which, you know, is basically an increase of 500% from the year before.

00:04:58.400 And most of them were young males.

00:05:00.520 And most of them were motivated by Jew hatred.

00:05:03.860 And, like, things got worse in late 2024.

00:05:06.680 So the RCMP were worried, and they wrote to their boss, who was then Public Safety Minister David McGinty, who was a great guy.

00:05:14.560 And they said to David, Canadian police have foiled six terrorist plots in the last 12 months alone,

00:05:21.460 with arrests from Edmonton to Ottawa to Toronto.

00:05:24.560 And they said online platforms were contributing to a substantial youth engagement with violent extremist ideologies.

00:05:32.580 And just a few days ago, CSIS, the new guy who runs them, a guy named Dan Rogers,

00:05:39.180 he was previously a security and intelligence advisor to the feds.

00:05:44.120 Now he's the director of CSIS.

00:05:47.300 He spoke quietly, but he said radicalized youth can cause the same harm as radicalized adults.

00:05:52.960 He said, obviously, only a small number of youths or adults with extreme views resort to violence.

00:05:58.580 But when they do, he said, the consequences are devastating.

00:06:02.240 Since 2014, there have been 20 violent extremist attacks in Canada, resulting in 29 deaths and 60 victims injured.

00:06:13.940 And the number of deaths, guys, could be much, much higher.

00:06:17.060 But for the work of CSIS and the RCMP and police agencies, it would be.

00:06:21.060 So why is this happening so much?

00:06:23.620 And Rogers said it's eroding social cohesion, increasing polarization, significant global events,

00:06:31.400 provide a fertile ground for radicalization, and turn people towards, these young people, towards violence.

00:06:37.880 And they use technology, he said, to do so secretly and anonymously,

00:06:42.080 which makes it hard for the police to find them.

00:06:44.100 And it's not just happening in Canada, in the United States, in Europe.

00:06:47.320 The same ominous trend is seen.

00:06:49.880 Angry young men, an army of them, orbiting into a world of conspiracy theories and then extreme violence.

00:06:57.640 Like a few years ago, I can tell you, because I've written books about it, as you know,

00:07:01.600 it was skinheads and neo-Nazis.

00:07:04.280 And these days, they were mostly aspiring young jihadists from the radical Islamic ummah, you know, the Muslim world.

00:07:13.040 And they're all youthful and male and motivated by a bottomless rage and a fanatical hatred of Jews.

00:07:19.440 So in my book, The Hidden Hand, which is coming out in February, you can pre-order it now if you want to,

00:07:24.920 identify the main source of anti-Semitic terror now manifesting itself across Western democracy.

00:07:30.600 And as, like Roger said, it's online.

00:07:33.640 It's online radicalization.

00:07:35.580 Like ISIS or Hamas or any of those monsters, they don't need to meet a young person in person.

00:07:44.560 They've gotten so good at what they do, they can radicalize him over an internet connection anywhere.

00:07:51.500 It can take just weeks.

00:07:52.320 So on the very first day of this year, all-American boy from Texas, years of decorated military service,

00:07:59.120 got into his truck, drove to New Orleans, and once there, slammed his pickup into New Year's partiers in New Orleans,

00:08:06.840 and he slaughtered 14 people.

00:08:09.400 He had been a Baptist who converted to Islam, changed his name, and he had an ISIS flag in the back of his truck.

00:08:17.620 But the threat is all around us now, in every town, in every city.

00:08:24.120 Angry young men are seething about Jews, about those who are unlike them,

00:08:28.740 and learning the bloody catechism of anti-Semitism and hate.

00:08:33.360 They're peering at videos on their devices in the dark, and they're having fantasies about murder.

00:08:39.400 And they are coming for us all.

00:08:41.520 I don't want to stay if you're gonna treat me this way.

00:09:11.520 I don't want to stay if you're gonna leave me someday.

00:09:18.760 But I can't complain.

00:09:25.020 I guess I'm just too much to take.

00:09:29.340 I'm set in Carolina, looking for a way to find y'all.

00:09:47.620 I'm spinning round in circles.

00:09:50.700 I feel like I'm prone to be a waste of your space.

00:10:14.860 I feel like I'm sick of you being stuck in your ways.

00:10:21.140 But you still complain.

00:10:25.560 Yeah, you're just too much to take.

00:10:31.560 I feel like I'm sick of you being stuck in your way.

00:10:38.500 I feel like I'm stuck in your way.

00:10:39.880 I feel like I'm sick of your space.

00:10:44.340 I feel like I'm not too much to take your way.

00:10:48.940 I'm spinning round in circles

00:10:53.640 You know I'm not that verbal

00:11:15.500 I'm sat in Carolina

00:11:18.220 Looking for a way to find you

00:11:24.760 I'm spinning round in circles

00:11:31.240 You know I'm not that verbal

00:11:37.120 And we're back

00:11:47.540 We're back with Brian Lilly

00:11:48.640 And he and I are talking a little bit earlier

00:11:51.280 Than we do on the weekend

00:11:53.020 Usually we talk on Sundays

00:11:54.440 We're talking on Saturday

00:11:55.480 Because I'm leaving for merry old England on Sunday

00:11:58.520 And wanted to get his voluminous knowledge

00:12:03.460 His vast brain at work

00:12:05.380 On a number of hot issues this week

00:12:07.200 Most notably the deal

00:12:10.000 I guess you can call it a deal

00:12:11.920 Or an agreement

00:12:12.720 The MOU

00:12:13.740 Between the government of Canada

00:12:15.920 And the government of Alberta

00:12:17.260 On finally getting a much needed pipeline

00:12:23.660 A pathway for Alberta bitumen

00:12:27.460 To the BC coast

00:12:30.860 And there's all kinds of moving parts in it

00:12:34.520 You've talked to Daniel Smith

00:12:36.440 About it

00:12:37.960 Hopefully you get a chance

00:12:39.100 To speak to Mark Carney about it

00:12:40.560 What's your take on

00:12:42.020 All of it this week

00:12:43.740 Is it a good thing

00:12:44.500 Or a bad thing?

00:12:46.040 I think it's a win for Alberta

00:12:47.580 And a win for Canada

00:12:49.400 Now if your name's David Eby

00:12:51.740 Or Stephen Guibault

00:12:53.240 Or Elizabeth May

00:12:55.600 This is the worst thing ever

00:12:57.580 And they're going to sit in the sackcloth

00:13:00.320 In their mud huts

00:13:01.120 And complain about the fact that

00:13:02.640 We're doing things we should have been doing

00:13:05.520 Look, overall

00:13:07.480 I wish we didn't have to have these kinds of deals

00:13:09.560 I wish we still had a functioning government

00:13:12.740 And bureaucratic system

00:13:13.940 We have saddled ourselves

00:13:16.780 With all kinds of ridiculous ways

00:13:19.320 Of doing things

00:13:20.260 Thanks mainly due to

00:13:21.860 Justin Trudeau's

00:13:22.900 Ten years in office

00:13:24.120 Some bad judicial decisions

00:13:26.300 Things like that

00:13:27.100 But Alberta had

00:13:29.360 Legitimate cripes

00:13:30.640 We need to do something

00:13:34.040 To pivot away from an over-reliance

00:13:37.200 On the United States

00:13:38.240 And Mark Carney went in

00:13:39.820 And put together a deal

00:13:40.860 That allows us to do that

00:13:42.080 And I hear all the criticisms

00:13:44.240 I've been accused of

00:13:45.420 Not knowing a damn thing about Alberta

00:13:47.640 You don't know Western Canada

00:13:49.280 This is just a head fake

00:13:52.400 This isn't going to work

00:13:53.260 Well, the Premier of the province

00:13:55.420 Tells me it will

00:13:56.200 And spoke to Premier Smith

00:13:59.800 For about 15-20 minutes

00:14:01.520 On Friday night

00:14:02.780 This is just after she got booed

00:14:04.580 At her UCP conference

00:14:06.400 Which I want to talk about

00:14:07.860 And you know

00:14:11.700 She's saying good things

00:14:12.840 I was on the phone

00:14:13.580 For about 45 minutes

00:14:15.680 Last night

00:14:16.280 With a friend

00:14:18.080 Who works in the energy sector

00:14:19.420 In Calgary

00:14:20.300 Who said

00:14:21.400 You should have seen

00:14:23.020 She was at the announcement

00:14:25.380 By the Premier

00:14:27.460 Then she went to the luncheon

00:14:29.520 With Carney

00:14:30.180 And just elation

00:14:32.800 Within the Alberta industry

00:14:34.520 So, you know

00:14:36.580 Are people right

00:14:37.940 To be skeptical

00:14:38.880 That a pipeline

00:14:39.840 Will ever be built?

00:14:40.980 Well, after the last

00:14:42.140 10-15 years

00:14:43.180 Yeah

00:14:43.520 I guess that skepticism

00:14:45.760 Is warranted

00:14:46.660 But there's real deadlines

00:14:48.240 I mean

00:14:48.600 You and I

00:14:50.220 Have seen these things before

00:14:52.720 You've participated

00:14:53.600 I'm sure

00:14:54.140 In drawing up

00:14:54.900 MOUs from governments

00:14:56.100 And they often mean nothing

00:14:57.360 And say less

00:14:58.180 This one

00:14:59.820 Is incredibly detailed

00:15:01.500 It has timelines

00:15:03.380 It has deadlines

00:15:04.640 As soon as

00:15:06.280 April 1st

00:15:07.360 Of next year

00:15:08.220 And then July 1st

00:15:10.260 Of next year

00:15:10.880 And

00:15:12.120 I believe

00:15:13.540 That Daniel Smith

00:15:14.760 Is going to find

00:15:15.540 A private sector proponent

00:15:17.100 For this pipeline

00:15:19.400 Or more than one

00:15:20.840 And announce all of this

00:15:22.800 By July 1st

00:15:24.780 And then

00:15:25.180 You know

00:15:25.800 Yes

00:15:26.360 All the work

00:15:27.560 Of consulting

00:15:28.140 With indigenous groups

00:15:29.260 And consulting with BC

00:15:30.360 Of course that's all

00:15:31.220 Going to take place

00:15:31.940 But this deal

00:15:33.380 Gives a clear path

00:15:34.860 Also

00:15:35.720 Gets rid of the

00:15:36.560 Clean energy regulations

00:15:37.760 The clean electricity

00:15:39.580 Regulations

00:15:40.200 That we're going to come in

00:15:41.060 Gets rid of the

00:15:41.880 Emissions cap

00:15:42.780 Says that if

00:15:43.880 A pipeline is built

00:15:44.780 There will be

00:15:45.200 An adjustment

00:15:45.920 To the

00:15:47.840 Tanker band

00:15:48.580 To allow for

00:15:50.040 The

00:15:51.680 Bitumen

00:15:52.640 To be exported

00:15:53.520 To Asia

00:15:54.060 You know

00:15:54.860 We've got

00:15:57.460 All these people

00:15:58.140 Going around

00:15:58.640 Talking about

00:15:59.180 The huge risk

00:16:00.080 Of

00:16:00.400 You know

00:16:01.200 Killing off

00:16:01.820 Our coast

00:16:02.440 And killing off

00:16:03.160 BC's pristine

00:16:04.100 Wilderness

00:16:04.580 As if we're

00:16:05.640 Dealing with

00:16:06.120 1950s pipeline

00:16:07.420 Technology

00:16:08.140 And 1950s boats

00:16:09.460 Things are a lot

00:16:10.220 Different now

00:16:10.860 The Exxon Valdez

00:16:12.260 Was a long time ago

00:16:13.300 We've learned

00:16:15.700 A lot from then

00:16:16.540 Exactly

00:16:17.260 And then before

00:16:18.360 People start

00:16:19.100 Popping off

00:16:19.840 About it

00:16:20.240 Well God knows

00:16:20.900 They've started already

00:16:21.780 Encouraged them

00:16:22.800 To do what

00:16:23.240 Brian has

00:16:23.720 Actually done

00:16:24.280 Which is read

00:16:24.940 The MOU

00:16:25.540 Because it is

00:16:26.620 Quite detailed

00:16:27.460 And it is quite

00:16:28.020 Specific

00:16:28.640 But absent

00:16:29.560 From it

00:16:30.100 Is the

00:16:30.940 Political

00:16:31.340 Dimension

00:16:31.940 And so

00:16:33.280 There's been

00:16:33.700 A range

00:16:34.300 In response

00:16:35.000 To Premier

00:16:35.680 Smith

00:16:36.360 And Prime

00:16:37.080 Minister

00:16:37.360 Carney

00:16:37.680 So far

00:16:38.240 Carney

00:16:39.060 Was being

00:16:39.800 Getting

00:16:41.120 Standing

00:16:41.520 Ovations

00:16:41.980 You pointed

00:16:42.520 Out

00:16:42.820 In Calgary

00:16:44.140 And being

00:16:45.120 Applauded

00:16:45.660 When's the last

00:16:46.540 Time that

00:16:47.360 Happened to a

00:16:48.140 Liberal leader

00:16:48.700 And then

00:16:49.400 But then

00:16:49.980 He's also

00:16:50.560 Lost a

00:16:51.060 Cabinet

00:16:51.340 Minister

00:16:51.720 A senior

00:16:52.260 Cabinet

00:16:52.920 Minister

00:16:53.220 His Quebec

00:16:53.720 Lieutenant

00:16:54.220 Stephen

00:16:54.620 Guilbeault

00:16:55.120 Smith

00:16:55.980 Has been

00:16:56.620 Applauded

00:16:57.240 By guys

00:16:57.820 Like me

00:16:58.340 On air

00:16:59.140 And in the

00:16:59.640 Open

00:16:59.880 I've been

00:17:00.200 A critic

00:17:00.580 Of her

00:17:00.960 For a

00:17:01.240 Long time

00:17:01.660 I plotted

00:17:02.560 What she

00:17:03.040 Did here

00:17:03.660 And what

00:17:04.000 She pulled

00:17:04.620 Off

00:17:05.000 But she

00:17:05.720 Got booed

00:17:06.240 As you

00:17:06.580 Just pointed

00:17:07.040 Out

00:17:07.500 Before

00:17:08.540 Her own

00:17:09.060 UCP

00:17:09.800 So there's

00:17:11.480 A mixed

00:17:11.840 Bag here

00:17:12.440 What are

00:17:12.820 The opportunities

00:17:13.620 And what

00:17:14.060 Are the

00:17:14.320 Threats

00:17:14.860 For those

00:17:15.560 Two

00:17:15.780 Politicians

00:17:16.380 And for

00:17:16.900 David

00:17:17.220 Eby

00:17:17.580 Who is

00:17:19.180 An important

00:17:19.640 Player in

00:17:20.160 This whole

00:17:20.460 Process

00:17:20.800 Too

00:17:21.200 Well

00:17:22.780 David

00:17:23.120 Eby

00:17:23.500 Is

00:17:25.620 Potentially

00:17:26.580 Facing

00:17:27.000 An election

00:17:27.480 He needs

00:17:28.720 To keep

00:17:29.180 His

00:17:29.720 Mudhut

00:17:30.200 Brigade

00:17:30.700 Onside

00:17:31.340 That's

00:17:31.700 That's

00:17:32.160 The nickname

00:17:32.600 By the way

00:17:33.040 That I got

00:17:33.420 From John

00:17:33.900 Horgan

00:17:34.400 When he

00:17:35.280 Was premier

00:17:35.840 To describe

00:17:36.940 Guys like

00:17:37.480 David

00:17:37.820 Eby

00:17:38.140 He called

00:17:38.840 Them

00:17:38.980 The Mudhut

00:17:39.560 Brigade

00:17:40.040 And so

00:17:41.800 I love

00:17:42.620 That and I

00:17:43.040 Use it

00:17:43.380 Every chance

00:17:44.060 I get

00:17:44.460 So

00:17:46.060 I look

00:17:49.200 At the

00:17:49.420 Polling

00:17:49.800 In BC

00:17:50.220 And I

00:17:50.760 Think

00:17:51.020 That there

00:17:51.480 Is

00:17:52.380 Support

00:17:53.100 For this

00:17:53.620 Strong

00:17:54.200 Support

00:17:54.480 I think

00:17:54.800 The opposition

00:17:55.360 Is being

00:17:55.840 Greatly

00:17:56.780 Overstated

00:17:57.900 Just like

00:17:58.400 It's being

00:17:58.800 Overstated

00:17:59.600 Day in

00:18:00.080 And day

00:18:00.420 Out

00:18:00.580 On CBC

00:18:01.140 About how

00:18:01.660 First Nations

00:18:02.200 Aren't on

00:18:02.640 Board

00:18:02.880 With this

00:18:03.320 And they

00:18:03.980 Said that

00:18:04.280 During

00:18:04.520 Northern

00:18:04.820 Gateway

00:18:05.280 And yet

00:18:06.200 The company

00:18:06.720 That was

00:18:07.100 Proposing

00:18:07.720 The pipeline

00:18:08.300 Had agreements

00:18:09.100 With pretty

00:18:10.640 Much every

00:18:11.240 Indigenous

00:18:11.620 Group along

00:18:12.440 The path

00:18:13.100 Of the

00:18:13.320 Pipeline

00:18:13.780 Where they

00:18:14.160 Would benefit

00:18:14.720 Economically

00:18:15.380 From it

00:18:15.800 So we

00:18:17.260 Got to

00:18:17.520 Separate

00:18:17.860 Fact from

00:18:18.320 Fiction

00:18:18.700 On the

00:18:19.520 Political

00:18:19.780 Side

00:18:20.200 You know

00:18:20.860 Why is

00:18:21.400 Pierre

00:18:21.600 Polyev

00:18:22.020 Coming out

00:18:22.500 Against

00:18:22.780 Something

00:18:23.220 That the

00:18:23.900 Premier of

00:18:24.320 The province

00:18:24.760 He now

00:18:25.120 Represents

00:18:25.720 Alberta

00:18:26.420 Not Ontario

00:18:27.280 Is saying

00:18:28.500 It's such a

00:18:28.960 Good thing

00:18:29.300 For the

00:18:30.220 Province

00:18:30.580 For the

00:18:30.900 Energy

00:18:31.160 Industry

00:18:31.560 Well because

00:18:32.600 It's a

00:18:32.960 Threat to

00:18:33.340 Him

00:18:33.620 And the

00:18:34.460 CPC

00:18:35.780 How so

00:18:36.860 Well if

00:18:38.280 Mark Carney

00:18:38.780 Is successful

00:18:39.280 On this

00:18:39.840 Alright

00:18:41.040 He's got

00:18:41.460 Two seats

00:18:41.980 Out of

00:18:42.220 37

00:18:42.760 In Alberta

00:18:43.300 Right now

00:18:43.840 Does he

00:18:44.780 End up

00:18:45.000 With five

00:18:45.360 Or six

00:18:45.720 Seats

00:18:46.020 Do they

00:18:46.920 Pick off

00:18:47.400 Calgary

00:18:47.820 Centre

00:18:48.260 Calgary

00:18:48.920 McKnight

00:18:49.440 Edmonton

00:18:50.500 Riverbend

00:18:51.540 Where

00:18:51.960 You know

00:18:53.000 Matt

00:18:53.280 Jenneru

00:18:53.740 Was announced

00:18:54.700 He's going

00:18:55.120 To be

00:18:55.620 Resigning

00:18:56.040 He won

00:18:56.540 By about

00:18:57.100 Five points

00:18:58.440 He got

00:18:59.640 Just over

00:19:00.060 50%

00:19:00.700 Of the

00:19:00.960 Vote

00:19:01.140 The

00:19:01.540 New

00:19:02.240 Democrat

00:19:02.620 Got about

00:19:03.080 45%

00:19:04.020 Of the

00:19:04.280 Vote

00:19:04.440 With a

00:19:04.740 Collapsed

00:19:05.380 NDP

00:19:06.180 Which

00:19:06.820 Is surprising

00:19:07.760 In Edmonton

00:19:08.660 If you

00:19:08.880 Know

00:19:09.020 Edmonton

00:19:09.660 So

00:19:10.580 You know

00:19:12.340 If Jenneru

00:19:13.040 Is gone

00:19:13.380 No incumbent

00:19:14.560 Could the

00:19:15.000 Liberals

00:19:15.280 Take that

00:19:15.780 Absolutely

00:19:16.340 Could they

00:19:17.460 Start looking

00:19:18.080 At picking

00:19:18.620 Up seats

00:19:19.140 In

00:19:19.540 Saskatchewan

00:19:20.820 Again

00:19:21.060 Places like

00:19:21.800 Regina

00:19:22.180 Which

00:19:22.600 Ralph Goody

00:19:23.160 All held

00:19:23.580 For years

00:19:24.100 But

00:19:24.360 They haven't

00:19:25.020 Held in a

00:19:25.420 Long time

00:19:25.920 Because the

00:19:26.460 Liberals

00:19:26.740 Were seen

00:19:27.080 As antagonistic

00:19:28.120 To all of

00:19:28.720 Western Canada

00:19:29.480 You take

00:19:30.540 You take

00:19:30.560 That down

00:19:31.100 A bit

00:19:31.440 Suddenly

00:19:31.940 Some

00:19:32.500 Riding

00:19:32.840 Start flipping

00:19:33.560 Red

00:19:33.880 I'm not

00:19:34.720 Saying they're

00:19:35.060 Going to

00:19:35.280 Dominate

00:19:35.740 They have

00:19:36.220 Not done

00:19:36.960 Very well

00:19:37.500 In Western

00:19:37.920 Canada

00:19:38.300 For decades

00:19:38.900 Tell me

00:19:39.560 About it

00:19:40.120 But yeah

00:19:42.900 They could

00:19:43.780 Change the

00:19:44.300 Math

00:19:44.560 And I

00:19:44.980 Think they

00:19:45.540 Could win

00:19:45.980 More seats

00:19:46.640 From this

00:19:47.500 Sort of

00:19:47.800 Thing

00:19:48.040 Be it

00:19:49.080 In

00:19:49.320 Alberta

00:19:49.920 Or

00:19:50.440 Saskatchewan

00:19:51.180 Or

00:19:52.080 They're

00:19:52.740 Probably

00:19:53.060 At their

00:19:53.380 Tops

00:19:53.680 In

00:19:53.820 Manitoba

00:19:54.260 Right

00:19:54.540 Now

00:19:54.760 But

00:19:54.940 They

00:19:55.060 Could

00:19:55.200 Pick up

00:19:55.700 Some

00:19:55.880 Seats

00:19:56.200 In

00:19:56.420 Ontario

00:19:57.360 If

00:19:57.800 People

00:19:58.080 Extra

00:19:59.000 Seats

00:19:59.300 In

00:19:59.440 Ontario

00:19:59.780 People

00:20:00.140 Are

00:20:00.300 Saying

00:20:00.560 Well

00:20:01.220 He's

00:20:01.380 Getting

00:20:01.580 Things

00:20:01.920 Done

00:20:02.220 So

00:20:02.940 What

00:20:03.160 Does

00:20:03.320 That

00:20:03.520 Do

00:20:03.860 To

00:20:04.080 Polly

00:20:04.380 Ev

00:20:04.700 Who's

00:20:05.220 Literally

00:20:05.680 Facing

00:20:06.340 A review

00:20:07.060 Of his

00:20:07.480 Leadership

00:20:07.920 In

00:20:08.540 Just a

00:20:08.900 Few

00:20:09.080 Weeks

00:20:09.380 Time

00:20:09.700 Does

00:20:10.460 It

00:20:10.720 Create

00:20:11.280 Peril

00:20:11.920 For

00:20:12.160 Him

00:20:12.420 Yeah

00:20:14.860 Including

00:20:15.860 With

00:20:16.340 The fact

00:20:16.640 That

00:20:16.800 Many

00:20:17.000 Of

00:20:17.160 The

00:20:17.280 UCP

00:20:17.820 Delegates

00:20:18.380 Who

00:20:18.540 Are

00:20:18.660 There

00:20:18.840 This

00:20:19.100 Weekend

00:20:19.540 And

00:20:20.020 Yeah

00:20:20.200 There's

00:20:20.440 Some

00:20:20.580 Booing

00:20:20.920 But

00:20:21.320 There's

00:20:21.500 Also

00:20:21.700 Going

00:20:21.880 To

00:20:21.900 Be

00:20:22.000 A

00:20:22.120 Lot

00:20:22.240 Of

00:20:22.320 Support

00:20:22.660 I

00:20:22.800 Believe

00:20:29.000 Polly

00:20:29.720 Delegates

00:20:30.360 And

00:20:30.940 So

00:20:31.280 If

00:20:31.680 He's

00:20:32.060 Arguing

00:20:32.660 Against

00:20:33.060 A

00:20:33.480 Greener

00:20:34.760 That's

00:20:35.000 Doing

00:20:35.220 Pretty

00:20:35.500 Well

00:20:35.720 Right

00:20:35.960 Now

00:20:36.240 Does

00:20:36.660 That

00:20:36.900 Hurt

00:20:37.140 Him

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00:20:38.120 There's

00:20:39.560 So

00:20:40.080 Many

00:20:40.340 Moving

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00:20:41.240 Politically

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00:20:42.020 This

00:20:42.200 That

00:20:43.520 Will

00:20:43.680 Depend

00:20:44.020 On

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00:20:44.420 It

00:20:44.580 Lands

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00:20:45.640 So

00:20:46.480 This

00:20:46.680 Could

00:20:46.920 Not

00:20:47.700 Be

00:20:47.820 A

00:20:47.980 Fundamental

00:20:48.620 Reshaping

00:20:49.300 But

00:20:49.600 You

00:20:50.540 Know

00:20:50.740 How

00:20:51.560 Long

00:20:52.260 Has

00:20:52.860 It

00:20:53.000 Been

00:20:53.240 Since

00:20:53.720 Liberals

00:20:55.680 Were

00:20:55.820 Taken

00:20:56.140 Credibly

00:20:56.540 In

00:20:56.700 Western

00:20:57.000 Canada

00:20:57.460 Jean

00:20:58.020 Cretien

00:20:58.380 Wasn't

00:20:59.000 Hated

00:20:59.520 He

00:21:00.480 Got

00:21:00.640 Along

00:21:00.860 Great

00:21:01.060 With

00:21:01.240 Ralph

00:21:01.480 Klein

00:21:01.700 He

00:21:01.820 Wasn't

00:21:02.040 Seen

00:21:02.340 As

00:21:02.540 Antagonistic

00:21:04.000 In

00:21:04.240 The

00:21:04.400 Same

00:21:04.700 Way

00:21:05.140 Obviously

00:21:06.480 The

00:21:06.720 Gun

00:21:06.880 Registry

00:21:07.320 Was

00:21:07.540 A

00:21:07.660 Problem

00:21:07.920 For

00:21:08.260 Him

00:21:08.400 In

00:21:09.620 Certain

00:21:09.900 Parts

00:21:10.300 But

00:21:10.400 The

00:21:10.520 Liberals

00:21:10.800 Still

00:21:11.040 Won

00:21:11.300 Some

00:21:11.520 Seats

00:21:11.800 Out

00:21:12.000 There

00:21:12.220 And

00:21:13.060 Then

00:21:13.320 They

00:21:13.780 Were

00:21:13.960 For

00:21:14.460 A

00:21:14.580 Time

00:21:14.840 There

00:21:15.220 Were

00:21:15.400 No

00:21:15.780 Liberal

00:21:16.160 Seats

00:21:16.640 Between

00:21:17.680 London

00:21:18.780 Ontario

00:21:19.420 And

00:21:20.500 The

00:21:20.700 Lower

00:21:21.020 Main

00:21:21.400 Or

00:21:22.020 They

00:21:22.160 Had

00:21:22.420 One

00:21:22.920 Now

00:21:24.640 There

00:21:24.820 Is

00:21:24.900 The

00:21:25.060 Potential

00:21:25.700 For

00:21:25.940 Them

00:21:26.120 To

00:21:26.440 Have

00:21:27.120 A

00:21:27.340 Smattering

00:21:27.940 And

00:21:29.400 That

00:21:29.840 Becomes

00:21:30.140 A

00:21:30.300 Threat

00:21:30.500 To

00:21:30.840 Pierre

00:21:31.700 Paulie

00:21:32.040 From

00:21:32.200 The

00:21:32.300 Conservatives

00:21:32.760 Because

00:21:32.920 Where

00:21:33.280 Does

00:21:33.520 He

00:21:33.700 Pick up

00:21:34.220 The

00:21:34.680 Extra

00:21:34.960 Seats

00:21:35.240 To

00:21:35.420 Try

00:21:35.640 And

00:21:35.800 Win

00:21:36.080 Is

00:21:36.820 He

00:21:36.900 Going

00:21:37.000 To

00:21:37.060 Get

00:21:37.200 Them

00:21:37.340 In

00:21:37.480 BC

00:21:37.840 Well

00:21:39.020 If

00:21:39.160 You

00:21:39.260 Don't

00:21:39.460 Like

00:21:39.700 The

00:21:40.220 Pipeline

00:21:40.800 You're

00:21:41.020 Probably

00:21:41.480 Not

00:21:41.820 Switching

00:21:42.240 To

00:21:42.340 The

00:21:42.460 Conservatives

00:21:43.120 But

00:21:43.860 Maybe

00:21:44.100 Vote

00:21:44.420 Splits

00:21:44.760 Help

00:21:45.000 Them

00:21:45.160 Does

00:21:46.060 He

00:21:46.160 Pick

00:21:46.340 Them

00:21:46.480 Up

00:21:46.640 In

00:21:46.740 Ontario

00:21:47.160 Again

00:21:47.660 If

00:21:48.000 Carney

00:21:48.280 Scene

00:21:48.600 Is

00:21:48.740 Doing

00:21:48.940 Well

00:21:49.200 For

00:21:49.360 The

00:21:49.460 Economy

00:21:49.900 That's

00:21:50.760 Going

00:21:50.860 To

00:21:50.920 Help

00:21:51.100 Them

00:21:51.220 With

00:21:51.400 Ontario

00:21:51.780 Voters

00:21:52.200 The

00:21:53.580 Thing

00:21:53.840 In

00:21:54.660 Typical

00:21:55.260 Restrained

00:21:55.940 Warren

00:21:56.260 Fashion

00:21:56.780 I

00:21:57.000 Was

00:21:57.140 On

00:21:57.280 AM

00:21:57.480 640

00:21:57.980 Yesterday

00:21:58.360 I

00:21:58.560 Called

00:21:58.800 Pierre

00:21:59.100 Paulie

00:21:59.480 Of

00:21:59.600 A

00:22:00.120 Suck

00:22:00.660 Because

00:22:01.420 He

00:22:01.660 I

00:22:01.920 Likened

00:22:02.380 Him

00:22:02.720 To

00:22:03.160 You

00:22:03.660 Know

00:22:03.740 The

00:22:03.860 Guy

00:22:04.060 At

00:22:04.260 The

00:22:04.360 Dance

00:22:04.740 And

00:22:05.060 The

00:22:05.740 Gal

00:22:06.060 That

00:22:06.400 He

00:22:06.800 Was

00:22:07.960 Interested

00:22:08.440 In

00:22:08.700 Was

00:22:08.920 Dancing

00:22:09.260 With

00:22:09.520 Another

00:22:09.800 Guy

00:22:10.160 In

00:22:10.700 This

00:22:10.880 Case

00:22:11.160 Mark

00:22:11.480 Carney

00:22:11.900 I

00:22:12.540 Thought

00:22:12.960 Paulie

00:22:13.800 Should

00:22:14.120 Have

00:22:14.220 Said

00:22:14.400 Look

00:22:14.700 We'll

00:22:15.580 Support

00:22:15.880 The

00:22:16.040 Government

00:22:16.300 Where

00:22:16.540 We

00:22:16.660 Think

00:22:16.840 They

00:22:16.980 Deserve

00:22:17.320 Support

00:22:17.720 We'll

00:22:17.960 Oppose

00:22:18.280 Them

00:22:18.460 Where

00:22:18.900 They

00:22:19.040 Need

00:22:19.220 To

00:22:19.340 Opposed

00:22:19.960 Without

00:22:21.640 Coming

00:22:22.120 Out

00:22:22.420 With

00:22:22.720 What

00:22:22.900 He

00:22:23.020 Did

00:22:23.380 Which

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00:22:24.080 This

00:22:24.560 Isn't

00:22:24.880 Going

00:22:25.020 To

00:22:25.100 Work

00:22:25.380 It's

00:22:25.620 Going

00:22:25.760 To

00:22:25.880 Fail

00:22:26.180 I

00:22:26.700 Just

00:22:26.860 Thought

00:22:27.060 It

00:22:27.160 Looks

00:22:27.360 Sucky

00:22:27.740 What

00:22:28.040 Was

00:22:28.200 Your

00:22:28.340 Take

00:22:28.660 Well

00:22:30.340 You

00:22:30.640 Know

00:22:30.720 What

00:22:30.900 I

00:22:31.040 Was

00:22:31.240 Hearing

00:22:31.500 From

00:22:31.940 Conservatives

00:22:32.700 Calling

00:22:33.060 Me

00:22:33.340 Was

00:22:33.940 You

00:22:34.300 Can't

00:22:34.540 Give

00:22:34.720 Mark

00:22:35.040 Carney

00:22:35.520 A

00:22:35.700 Hero

00:22:35.960 Cookie

00:22:36.340 For

00:22:36.600 Fixing

00:22:37.020 The

00:22:37.140 Liberal

00:22:37.400 Mess

00:22:37.800 Well

00:22:38.360 Sure

00:22:38.840 Enough

00:22:39.100 You

00:22:41.420 Kind

00:22:41.640 Of

00:22:41.740 Can

00:22:41.940 If

00:22:42.100 These

00:22:42.320 Fixing

00:22:42.980 The

00:22:43.120 Mess

00:22:43.400 In

00:22:43.560 Their

00:22:43.740 View

00:22:43.980 As

00:22:44.260 Well

00:22:44.500 You

00:22:44.860 Know

00:22:44.980 The

00:22:45.180 The

00:22:45.760 Carbon

00:22:46.000 Tax

00:22:46.400 The

00:22:47.720 Industrial

00:22:48.100 Carbon

00:22:48.460 Tax

00:22:48.820 Going

00:22:49.540 Back

00:22:49.900 In

00:22:50.100 There

00:22:50.380 The

00:22:51.020 Pathways

00:22:51.520 Project

00:22:51.980 Is

00:22:52.480 A

00:22:55.880 Carbon

00:22:56.120 Capture

00:22:56.520 And

00:22:56.700 Storage

00:22:57.060 Is

00:22:57.360 Great

00:22:57.660 For

00:22:57.860 Any

00:22:58.040 Government

00:22:58.380 That

00:22:58.620 Is

00:22:58.740 Supporting

00:22:59.220 It

00:22:59.360 And

00:22:59.880 Horrible

00:23:00.300 For

00:23:00.560 Whoever

00:23:00.840 Is

00:23:00.980 In

00:23:01.080 Opposition

00:23:01.560 So

00:23:01.840 The

00:23:01.980 Conservatives

00:23:02.520 Used

00:23:02.740 To

00:23:02.940 Sing

00:23:03.680 The

00:23:03.840 Praises

00:23:04.220 Of

00:23:04.900 Carbon

00:23:05.680 Capture

00:23:06.120 And

00:23:06.280 Storage

00:23:06.660 And

00:23:07.680 Maybe

00:23:08.060 Maybe

00:23:08.760 It

00:23:08.900 Is

00:23:09.060 All

00:23:09.480 Cooey

00:23:10.220 And

00:23:10.360 Maybe

00:23:10.580 Danielle

00:23:10.940 Smith

00:23:11.320 Fought

00:23:11.800 A

00:23:12.020 Bag

00:23:12.400 Of

00:23:12.560 Magic

00:23:12.900 Beans

00:23:13.500 In

00:23:14.220 Saying

00:23:14.480 She

00:23:14.700 Back

00:23:15.140 It

00:23:15.400 But

00:23:16.500 Guess

00:23:16.700 What

00:23:16.900 She

00:23:17.100 Did

00:23:17.300 That

00:23:17.520 Knowing

00:23:17.900 What

00:23:18.760 She

00:23:18.900 Knows

00:23:19.260 As

00:23:19.920 A

00:23:20.040 Way

00:23:20.200 To

00:23:20.440 Move

00:23:25.880 Costs

00:23:26.760 Canadian

00:23:27.620 Bitumen

00:23:28.840 Is

00:23:29.300 Still

00:23:29.600 Going

00:23:29.900 To

00:23:30.300 Come

00:23:31.400 Out

00:23:31.600 Doing

00:23:31.860 Better

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00:23:33.300 This

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00:23:34.880 Question

00:23:35.440 Total

00:23:35.840 Change

00:23:36.300 Of

00:23:36.520 Course

00:23:36.880 In

00:23:38.440 The

00:23:38.540 Past

00:23:38.780 Few

00:23:38.960 Days

00:23:39.220 Pete

00:23:39.600 Hegseth

00:23:40.740 Who

00:23:41.140 Is

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00:23:41.920 Secretary

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00:23:43.540 Defense

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00:23:44.380 For

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00:23:45.700 War

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00:23:46.160 It

00:23:46.300 Is

00:23:46.320 Now

00:23:46.560 Called

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00:23:47.160 United

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00:23:47.660 Of

00:23:47.820 America

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00:23:49.540 Been

00:23:49.740 Credibly

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00:23:51.420 A

00:23:51.620 Statement

00:23:52.140 Where

00:23:52.940 He

00:23:53.180 Apparently

00:23:53.820 Not

00:23:55.100 Only

00:23:55.300 Sanction

00:23:55.780 An

00:23:56.860 Attack

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00:23:58.380 Votes

00:23:59.060 A

00:23:59.740 Boat

00:24:00.180 Venezuelans

00:24:01.900 Who

00:24:02.760 Were

00:24:03.060 Allegedly

00:24:03.720 Transporting

00:24:04.740 Drugs

00:24:05.180 But

00:24:05.980 Go

00:24:06.720 Back

00:24:07.060 And

00:24:07.320 Kill

00:24:07.600 Them

00:24:07.880 There

00:24:08.100 Were

00:24:08.240 Some

00:24:08.500 Survivors

00:24:09.400 And

00:24:09.600 So

00:24:09.800 There

00:24:10.020 Is

00:24:10.320 A

00:24:10.840 Record

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00:24:11.540 Of

00:24:11.800 Hegseth

00:24:12.500 Saying

00:24:13.220 That

00:24:13.560 What

00:24:14.140 Do

00:24:14.660 You

00:24:14.780 Think

00:24:15.040 You're

00:24:15.300 A

00:24:15.700 Former

00:24:15.960 Military

00:24:16.440 Guy

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00:24:17.460 You

00:24:17.620 Know

00:24:17.800 Something

00:24:18.060 About

00:24:18.460 Military

00:24:19.160 Rules

00:24:19.700 And

00:24:19.900 Law

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00:24:21.780 Are

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00:24:27.720 To

00:24:27.760 Be

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00:24:29.620 Work

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00:24:30.200 Something

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00:24:30.720 This

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00:24:31.420 Alleged

00:24:31.940 I

00:24:32.900 Don't

00:24:33.360 Want

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00:24:33.580 Overstate

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00:24:34.460 I

00:24:34.660 Did

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00:24:35.360 Do

00:24:35.900 I

00:24:36.120 Can

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00:24:37.360 Can

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00:24:39.880 Can

00:24:40.260 To

00:24:41.160 Know

00:24:42.220 No

00:24:42.240 Huge

00:24:42.740 Experten

00:24:43.240 I

00:24:43.420 Can

00:24:43.600 Tell

00:24:43.700 You

00:24:43.900 This

00:24:44.160 One

00:24:45.060 When

00:24:45.300 Those

00:24:45.580 Videos

00:24:45.960 Were

00:24:46.140 Going

00:24:46.340 Around

00:24:46.680 Of

00:24:46.840 The

00:24:46.920 Democrat

00:24:47.340 Politicians

00:24:48.040 Telling

00:24:48.460 Soldiers

00:24:48.860 To

00:24:49.040 Disobey

00:24:49.620 In

00:24:49.880 Illegal

00:24:50.780 Orders

00:24:51.220 I

00:24:51.840 Didn't

00:24:52.060 Like

00:24:52.300 Them

00:24:52.520 You're

00:24:53.200 A

00:24:53.320 Politician

00:24:53.900 Shut

00:24:54.420 Up

00:24:54.720 But

00:24:56.300 To

00:24:56.580 The

00:24:56.760 Other

00:24:56.920 Reason

00:24:57.160 I

00:24:57.300 Didn't

00:24:57.460 Like

00:24:57.700 Them

00:24:57.840 Is

00:24:57.980 In

00:24:58.080 The

00:24:58.160 Canadian

00:24:58.480 Armed

00:24:58.700 injust

00:24:58.740 And

00:24:59.260 British

00:24:59.540 Armed

00:24:59.760 Force

00:24:59.980 And

00:25:00.440 And I'm assuming in the American, one of the things you're taught in basic military training, in your GMT course, as we called it back in my day, is that you do not obey illegal orders.

00:25:13.020 And that goes back to Nuremberg.

00:25:15.380 And so you cannot, if you're told to do something by your commanding officer, by your NCO, go do this, and you know it's illegal, and you do it anyway, you can be charged.

00:25:26.820 So if that does exist, Hegseth could be in a world of trouble.

00:25:30.840 I have not seen or heard the audio yet, or seen it written out definitively attached to him.

00:25:39.200 If it exists, he's in a world of trouble, but so are the people that carried out the orders.

00:25:46.180 Which is an important point.

00:25:47.480 Yeah, he wasn't alone.

00:25:48.540 He didn't do it on his own.

00:25:49.700 There were people under him who would have carried out those, what looked to be illegal orders.

00:25:56.940 And there is a valid debate about whether what the United States is doing with these votes is legal or illegal.

00:26:06.680 But there would be very little debate about going back and killing people that survived a strike like that.

00:26:14.120 Well, what a time we live in, brother.

00:26:19.580 What a time we live in.

00:26:20.980 But at least there's a glimmer of hope on the Canadian political horizon this week coming out of Alberta, of all places, and Ottawa, of all places.

00:26:29.600 Something I never thought I'd see happen.

00:26:32.300 Nor are.

00:26:33.160 It's a good, it looks like a good thing.

00:26:35.500 So thank you much.

00:26:36.480 I will be in touch when I am in, on the other side of the pond and toasting you in a pub somewhere.

00:26:43.140 But in the meantime, have a great day and a great week.

00:26:45.440 I'm waking up to a chorus

00:26:48.640 Screaming every word

00:26:54.020 We're 30 years in

00:26:55.940 Voices are heard

00:26:59.840 We've grown up with family

00:27:03.040 With a healing song

00:27:07.700 I hope in my

00:27:10.520 And you're all still here

00:27:15.620 So much in life won't stay the same

00:27:20.280 But this right here will never change

00:27:24.280 We'll raise a glass to you and sing

00:27:27.600 Much love, much love

00:27:31.080 I'm looking out at the kitchen

00:27:41.560 In the scars of skin

00:27:47.480 When we fear us

00:27:49.960 Here's what we feel

00:27:52.480 Here's to what they say

00:27:57.420 But no one else is around

00:28:01.760 And no one else is around

00:28:02.080 I hope I'm not striving

00:28:03.740 To be here right now

00:28:07.900 So much in life won't stay the same

00:28:13.260 But this right here will never change

00:28:17.180 We'll raise a glass to you and sing

00:28:19.900 Much love, much love

00:28:21.900 And no one else is around

00:28:23.940 This is one thing

00:28:25.080 That we'll stay the same

00:28:27.560 That we'll stay the same

00:28:31.160 That we'll stay the same

00:28:32.520 That we'll stay the same

00:28:36.900 That we'll stay the same

00:28:38.100 That we'll stay the same

00:28:41.560 We're not alone

00:28:43.820 It's a marching line won't stay the same

00:28:56.980 But this right here will never change

00:29:00.760 Raise a glass to you and sing much love

00:29:05.980 It's a marching line won't stay the same

00:29:11.560 But this right here will never change

00:29:15.380 Raise a glass to you and sing much love

00:29:20.340 So much love won't stay the same

00:29:26.100 But this right here will never change

00:29:29.860 Raise a glass to you and sing much love

00:29:34.880 Much love, much love

00:29:41.560 And we're back, we're back with my friend Karim Asad

00:29:45.520 Who's got a dog in the room with her

00:29:47.800 I've moved my dogs out

00:29:49.720 But dogs are welcome on the Kinsella cast

00:29:52.080 And so we're delighted you're back this week

00:29:55.340 And I wanted to sing your praises

00:29:57.960 Or I wanted to give you an opportunity

00:29:59.180 To talk about a big win that you had in court this week

00:30:01.760 Tell us all about it

00:30:03.120 Thanks Warren

00:30:04.760 I was representing a gentleman

00:30:07.360 Most well known as tinfoil hat guy

00:30:10.980 In an assault charge in Ottawa

00:30:14.760 And he was acquitted

00:30:17.040 So good news up front

00:30:19.280 And the context of his acquittal

00:30:21.900 Was accepted on the grounds of self-defense

00:30:26.200 And defense of others

00:30:27.440 And what makes this case significant

00:30:30.780 Is the complainant

00:30:32.540 Who is Dina Sharif

00:30:36.660 She is a regular character

00:30:42.020 In my protest coverage

00:30:44.120 She's facing some pretty serious charges of her own

00:30:48.220 In relation to alleged protest activity

00:30:51.340 Including assault with weapon

00:30:53.640 Hate-motivated harassment

00:30:54.860 And, you know, what stood out about this case

00:30:59.460 Was really the Crown's insistence

00:31:02.240 Despite pretty clear video evidence

00:31:05.360 Of what was happening

00:31:07.400 And what led up to my client

00:31:10.660 Trying to remove Ms. Sharif

00:31:14.160 From a crowd of protesters

00:31:16.460 Who she was agitating

00:31:17.640 The Crown was insistent on proceeding the full way

00:31:21.820 And this is really a situation

00:31:23.640 Where the process is the punishment

00:31:26.400 I think it's been the case

00:31:29.140 For other individuals

00:31:32.300 And the judge had some pretty clear reasoning

00:31:37.240 It came down to credibility

00:31:40.400 And sort of the consistency

00:31:42.240 Of what witnesses testified to

00:31:44.900 And how that matched up with video evidence

00:31:48.040 And the bottom line is

00:31:50.300 We do have a right to self-defense

00:31:54.880 And the defense of others

00:31:56.560 In Canada, obviously

00:31:58.200 That needs to be assessed and considered

00:32:01.160 Within a very particular framework

00:32:04.300 The judge was clear that

00:32:05.840 Her reasoning applied to the facts of this case

00:32:09.800 And it wasn't a broad endorsement

00:32:12.420 On people self-deputizing

00:32:14.980 To police one another

00:32:16.500 But I think justice was served

00:32:19.180 Well, obviously he had an excellent lawyer

00:32:22.000 So congratulations to him

00:32:24.000 And congratulations to you

00:32:25.240 And you provided me with an excellent segue

00:32:27.380 To the thing that I wanted to speak about

00:32:30.580 With you as well

00:32:31.680 I spoke at Beth Shalom Synagogue this week

00:32:33.740 Along with a very brave young woman

00:32:36.220 Who was born in Israel

00:32:37.740 And was denied a Canadian passport

00:32:39.340 Because of that

00:32:40.060 Anyway, she prevailed in the end

00:32:41.580 In her legal challenge of that

00:32:44.560 But one of the things I got asked quite a bit

00:32:46.940 Made me immediately think of you

00:32:48.560 As I was on the stage at Beth Shalom

00:32:50.400 Which is how upset

00:32:52.500 And how wounded

00:32:54.020 So many of the Jews there were

00:32:56.260 About, you know, they're okay

00:32:58.340 With Israel being protested

00:33:00.520 And the government of Israel's decisions

00:33:02.400 Being protested

00:33:03.380 But protests in front of their synagogues

00:33:06.860 In front of their places of worship

00:33:08.160 When they're most vulnerable as people

00:33:11.260 You've covered

00:33:12.480 I mean, you're Canada's leading expert

00:33:14.460 On protest culture

00:33:16.480 You've covered a lot of those

00:33:18.240 What's your take on

00:33:19.240 You know, why that sort of thing is happening

00:33:21.820 And is it something

00:33:23.580 That people should be concerned about?

00:33:26.760 Sure

00:33:27.240 So I've documented

00:33:29.040 Several protests outside synagogues

00:33:33.320 A couple outside Gurdwara

00:33:35.600 And I think one Munder

00:33:37.440 So, you know, kind of a range

00:33:40.860 But really I would say

00:33:42.520 The majority of religious-related protests

00:33:46.820 Have been at synagogues

00:33:48.400 In fact, one of them involved

00:33:50.660 Ms. Sharif

00:33:51.740 Who we just talked about

00:33:52.720 In the last segment

00:33:53.680 Where she was wielding

00:33:56.260 An electronic whistle

00:33:57.420 Handed that whistle over to her child

00:34:00.760 And was blasting it in people's faces

00:34:04.060 Right in front of police

00:34:05.600 My take on this

00:34:07.940 Is that

00:34:08.820 And this is maybe

00:34:10.360 A little bit controversial

00:34:11.440 I don't think we need new laws

00:34:14.700 I'm aware that Bill C-9

00:34:18.260 Which is making its way

00:34:19.440 Through Parliament

00:34:22.180 Would introduce new provisions

00:34:25.800 Related specifically to

00:34:28.820 Protests or demonstrations

00:34:31.500 Outside places of worship

00:34:34.540 Anything intended to provoke fear

00:34:37.880 But from my observations

00:34:40.660 The unruly behaviour

00:34:43.040 That I've seen

00:34:44.260 Outside synagogues

00:34:46.800 Is already

00:34:47.940 We could address it

00:34:49.680 With the criminal code

00:34:51.380 As it exists

00:34:52.240 Now the rationale

00:34:54.480 That people have expressed

00:34:56.300 And we'll stick

00:34:57.880 Specifically to synagogues here

00:34:59.540 The rationale that I've heard

00:35:01.540 It generally relates

00:35:03.380 To programming

00:35:04.360 That's happening inside

00:35:06.120 And I think

00:35:07.340 In almost every instance

00:35:09.560 It's been

00:35:10.960 Related to real estate conferences

00:35:14.260 Selling land in Israel

00:35:16.820 In the West Bank

00:35:18.380 Yes

00:35:18.800 Yes

00:35:19.940 So that's the rationale

00:35:21.480 That's presented

00:35:22.380 And you know

00:35:24.280 That holds up

00:35:25.920 To some degree

00:35:27.200 But I think that

00:35:30.820 You know

00:35:31.660 At some point

00:35:32.500 Over

00:35:33.680 At least in my observation

00:35:35.140 The past few years

00:35:36.180 We've really

00:35:37.780 Really lowered our standards

00:35:40.640 In how Canadians

00:35:42.360 Treat one another

00:35:43.320 And so what would have been

00:35:45.720 Just unthinkable

00:35:46.740 Or unacceptable

00:35:47.780 Behaviour

00:35:48.680 Five years ago

00:35:50.180 Is now normalised

00:35:52.220 And that's a cultural issue

00:35:53.620 But it can be addressed

00:35:57.960 With our existing criminal code

00:36:00.780 There are provisions

00:36:02.140 For intimidation

00:36:03.320 For mischief

00:36:04.100 For assault

00:36:05.100 For

00:36:06.300 Unlawful assembly

00:36:07.440 Yeah

00:36:08.100 Exactly right

00:36:09.440 So I'm of the view

00:36:11.460 That it needs to be addressed

00:36:14.260 On a case-by-case basis

00:36:15.580 And police need to be

00:36:17.760 Maybe mindful

00:36:19.460 Of the specific

00:36:21.300 Vulnerabilities

00:36:22.080 That are at play

00:36:22.980 When people are going

00:36:24.020 Into a place of worship

00:36:25.160 And in fact

00:36:26.520 There is already

00:36:28.400 A provision as well

00:36:29.540 Relating to

00:36:31.740 Disturbing worship

00:36:33.000 So there is

00:36:35.800 Some thought

00:36:36.680 That's been given

00:36:37.260 To this

00:36:37.720 In the criminal code

00:36:38.600 But I think

00:36:40.420 That individual behaviour

00:36:42.400 Should be addressed

00:36:43.920 And kind of

00:36:45.240 The path of

00:36:46.100 Least resistance

00:36:46.980 Policing

00:36:47.560 Where there's

00:36:48.560 Acquiescence

00:36:49.300 To a large crowd

00:36:50.920 To kind of

00:36:51.740 Maintain the peace

00:36:52.620 That doesn't work

00:36:53.860 Bubble legislation

00:36:55.580 At least

00:36:57.120 Toronto's

00:36:58.140 Most recent

00:36:58.700 Iteration of it

00:36:59.760 I think

00:37:00.540 Is going to be

00:37:01.240 Largely ineffective

00:37:02.140 It's mostly

00:37:03.040 Window dressing

00:37:04.240 It makes people

00:37:04.780 Feel better

00:37:05.440 The actual

00:37:06.440 Practicalities

00:37:07.380 Of enforcing it

00:37:08.240 I don't really

00:37:10.860 See that

00:37:11.440 As a helpful tool

00:37:12.560 I think

00:37:13.660 The criminal code

00:37:14.640 Exists

00:37:15.460 And needs to be

00:37:16.520 Enforced

00:37:17.640 As needed

00:37:19.100 And not

00:37:20.700 Just let

00:37:21.520 Things

00:37:22.020 Slide

00:37:23.020 And that

00:37:24.620 Could

00:37:24.940 Be a

00:37:25.840 Solution

00:37:26.260 Here

00:37:26.640 I don't

00:37:27.240 Think we

00:37:27.620 Need new

00:37:27.960 Laws

00:37:28.300 One thing

00:37:29.080 I wanted

00:37:29.480 To ask

00:37:29.860 You

00:37:29.960 But I

00:37:30.180 Didn't

00:37:30.360 Give you

00:37:30.620 A heads

00:37:30.900 Up on

00:37:31.240 This one

00:37:31.640 But you

00:37:32.240 I know

00:37:32.660 You can

00:37:33.480 Handle it

00:37:33.940 Because you're

00:37:34.240 Bilingual

00:37:34.620 And you

00:37:35.200 Studied at

00:37:35.960 The border

00:37:36.400 Of Quebec

00:37:36.980 And as you

00:37:37.840 Know you've

00:37:38.300 Got a

00:37:38.560 Government

00:37:38.940 In the

00:37:39.260 Province

00:37:39.560 Of Quebec

00:37:39.900 The CAQ

00:37:40.800 It's in

00:37:41.400 It's dying

00:37:42.420 Days

00:37:42.860 They're in

00:37:43.220 Big trouble

00:37:43.860 Electorally

00:37:44.800 Politically

00:37:45.500 And they've

00:37:46.460 Announced

00:37:46.740 This week

00:37:47.140 That they

00:37:47.460 Want to

00:37:47.840 Shut down

00:37:48.680 Prayer rooms

00:37:49.700 In

00:37:50.740 Universities

00:37:51.620 And places

00:37:52.240 Like that

00:37:52.980 And this

00:37:55.200 Has caused

00:37:55.860 A lot of

00:37:57.240 Consternation

00:37:57.880 Not just

00:37:58.320 Among Muslims

00:37:59.400 But also

00:37:59.960 Among some

00:38:00.480 Jews

00:38:00.800 Who make

00:38:01.340 Use of

00:38:01.680 Those prayer

00:38:02.200 Spaces

00:38:02.760 What is

00:38:03.720 Because you

00:38:05.420 Made me

00:38:05.740 Think of

00:38:06.040 This

00:38:06.200 What's your

00:38:07.200 Take on

00:38:07.820 That move

00:38:08.380 Is that

00:38:08.700 The sort

00:38:09.040 Of thing

00:38:09.420 That is

00:38:10.300 Understandable

00:38:11.100 In these

00:38:12.080 Divided

00:38:12.700 Days

00:38:13.060 Or is it

00:38:13.720 Something

00:38:14.080 That is

00:38:15.000 Going too

00:38:15.440 Far in

00:38:15.840 Your

00:38:15.960 Opinion

00:38:16.360 I think

00:38:18.200 It's an

00:38:18.520 Example of

00:38:19.380 The pendulum

00:38:19.960 Swinging too

00:38:20.820 Far the

00:38:21.320 Other way

00:38:21.800 And you

00:38:23.680 Know some

00:38:24.100 Of the

00:38:24.600 Support

00:38:25.220 Behind this

00:38:26.680 Proposal

00:38:27.400 Comes from

00:38:28.480 People seeing

00:38:29.800 Or even

00:38:30.920 Experiencing

00:38:31.940 Situations

00:38:33.280 Where public

00:38:34.780 Prayer is

00:38:35.640 Blocking

00:38:36.140 Streets or

00:38:37.040 Impeding

00:38:37.740 People's

00:38:38.620 Movement

00:38:38.980 Or access

00:38:40.140 And then

00:38:41.300 That kind

00:38:42.340 Of turns

00:38:42.980 Into a

00:38:43.700 General

00:38:44.200 Distaste

00:38:45.180 For

00:38:45.820 Prayer

00:38:48.120 Public

00:38:51.280 Prayer

00:38:51.860 Rooms

00:38:52.480 Right

00:38:52.780 In

00:38:52.940 Universities

00:38:53.620 Or

00:38:53.980 Wherever

00:38:54.660 Are

00:38:55.780 Deliberately

00:38:56.560 Have

00:38:57.280 Their

00:38:57.700 Unobtrusive

00:38:59.280 By nature

00:39:00.000 And in

00:39:01.880 Theory

00:39:02.140 They already

00:39:02.740 Exist

00:39:03.860 So when

00:39:05.040 You're

00:39:05.280 Talking about

00:39:06.340 Taking

00:39:06.820 Something

00:39:07.780 Away

00:39:08.360 I think

00:39:09.440 There should

00:39:09.920 Be a

00:39:11.160 Good and

00:39:11.680 Strong and

00:39:12.740 Persuasive

00:39:13.300 Rationale

00:39:14.220 For that

00:39:14.780 To me

00:39:15.920 This

00:39:16.140 Be a

00:39:16.620 Little bit

00:39:17.120 Punitive

00:39:17.980 And counter

00:39:18.740 Productive

00:39:19.600 Even

00:39:19.920 Because

00:39:20.660 Whereas

00:39:21.640 People

00:39:22.020 Might

00:39:22.320 Have

00:39:22.660 Gone

00:39:23.260 And used

00:39:23.800 Those

00:39:24.220 Facilities

00:39:25.000 Now

00:39:26.660 They're

00:39:27.000 Left

00:39:27.260 In the

00:39:27.540 Position

00:39:27.980 Of

00:39:28.520 Are

00:39:29.040 Going

00:39:29.400 To

00:39:29.560 Go

00:39:29.700 Back

00:39:29.940 To

00:39:30.140 More

00:39:30.500 Kind

00:39:31.080 Of

00:39:31.180 Public

00:39:31.560 Praying

00:39:32.000 So

00:39:33.300 I

00:39:33.760 Don't

00:39:35.200 I

00:39:35.480 Don't

00:39:35.620 Really

00:39:35.920 Think

00:39:37.220 It

00:39:37.360 Makes

00:39:37.540 Sense

00:39:37.780 To

00:39:37.940 Take

00:39:38.160 Away

00:39:38.520 Existing

00:39:39.400 Facilities

00:39:40.000 If

00:39:40.940 We're

00:39:41.060 Talking

00:39:41.380 About

00:39:41.700 Should

00:39:42.000 They

00:39:42.380 Be

00:39:42.800 Incorporated

00:39:43.980 Into

00:39:44.200 New

00:39:44.480 Buildings

00:39:45.000 Maybe

00:39:45.320 That's

00:39:45.620 A

00:39:45.720 Different

00:39:45.960 Question

00:39:46.480 You

00:39:47.460 Know

00:39:47.660 Should

00:39:48.240 These

00:39:48.460 Rooms

00:39:48.720 Be

00:39:48.900 Repurposed

00:39:49.520 If

00:39:49.760 On

00:39:50.300 A

00:39:50.440 Case

00:39:50.660 By

00:39:50.820 Case

00:39:51.060 Basis

00:39:51.560 There

00:39:51.800 Was

00:39:52.100 You

00:39:52.540 Know

00:39:52.640 Maybe

00:39:53.120 It's

00:39:53.340 Not

00:39:53.520 Really

00:39:53.820 Used

00:39:54.340 And

00:39:54.560 There's

00:39:55.000 Need

00:39:55.200 For

00:39:55.380 Something

00:39:55.700 Else

00:39:56.080 That's

00:39:56.800 A

00:39:56.920 Policy

00:39:57.280 Decision

00:39:57.680 It's

00:39:57.880 Very

00:39:58.020 Different

00:39:58.460 Than

00:39:58.900 Banning

00:39:59.920 Them

00:40:00.460 So

00:40:01.760 That's

00:40:02.280 My

00:40:02.580 View

00:40:03.300 On

00:40:03.500 It

00:40:03.620 I

00:40:03.760 Think

00:40:04.020 It's

00:40:04.900 An

00:40:05.020 Over

00:40:05.360 Reaction

00:40:06.040 And

00:40:06.400 Not

00:40:06.780 Actually

00:40:07.180 Addressing

00:40:07.760 The

00:40:08.540 Problem

00:40:08.940 That

00:40:09.220 Is

00:40:09.620 Truly

00:40:11.040 On

00:40:11.300 People's

00:40:11.720 Mind

00:40:11.940 And

00:40:12.500 It's

00:40:12.660 Certainly

00:40:12.880 Symptomatic

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00:40:21.060 Of

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00:40:21.940 That

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00:40:23.100 In

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00:40:24.780 So

00:40:25.000 Well

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00:40:25.560 Work

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00:40:27.760 Talk

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00:41:02.760 Speech

00:41:03.080 Shown

00:41:03.400 That

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00:41:04.320 Big

00:41:04.620 Cities

00:41:04.920 Around

00:41:05.260 The

00:41:05.460 World

00:41:05.860 People

00:41:06.860 Are

00:41:07.080 Staying

00:41:07.400 Away

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00:41:07.740 Transit

00:41:08.080 Because

00:41:08.320 They

00:41:08.460 Feel

00:41:08.720 Those

00:41:08.960 Places

00:41:09.440 Are

00:41:09.720 Unsafe

00:41:10.560 I

00:41:11.220 Wanted

00:41:11.420 To

00:41:11.460 Get

00:41:11.600 Your

00:41:11.760 Take

00:41:12.060 On

00:41:12.260 That

00:41:12.460 As

00:41:12.640 Somebody

00:41:12.940 Who

00:41:13.240 Watches

00:41:13.900 The

00:41:14.260 Movement

00:41:14.580 Of

00:41:14.780 People

00:41:15.120 And

00:41:15.500 This

00:41:16.060 Division

00:41:16.480 In

00:41:16.660 Society

00:41:17.080 What's

00:41:17.780 Your

00:41:17.900 View

00:41:18.260 About

00:41:18.700 What

00:41:19.000 Bradford

00:41:19.540 Said

00:41:19.920 And

00:41:20.140 Also

00:41:20.720 About

00:41:21.060 This

00:41:21.340 Issue

00:41:21.680 I

00:41:23.620 Think

00:41:24.000 He's

00:41:24.400 Touched

00:41:24.860 On

00:41:25.280 An

00:41:27.020 Issue

00:41:27.420 That

00:41:27.720 Is

00:41:28.060 Very

00:41:29.300 Present

00:41:29.940 In

00:41:30.140 The

00:41:30.260 Lives

00:41:30.600 Of

00:41:30.980 Torontonians

00:41:31.860 Who

00:41:32.100 Are

00:41:32.260 Using

00:41:32.540 Transit

00:41:32.940 I

00:41:34.480 I'm

00:41:34.800 Reminded

00:41:35.380 That

00:41:35.780 Whether

00:41:36.300 This

00:41:36.700 Week

00:41:36.940 Or

00:41:37.140 Last

00:41:37.580 There

00:41:38.600 Was

00:41:38.980 A

00:41:39.560 Photo

00:41:40.240 That

00:41:40.520 Went

00:41:40.700 Viral

00:41:41.260 Of

00:41:41.680 Someone

00:41:41.980 Sleeping

00:41:42.440 On

00:41:43.200 A

00:41:44.140 Train

00:41:44.460 And

00:41:45.500 The

00:41:46.740 Mixed

00:41:47.200 Reactions

00:41:47.780 To

00:41:48.060 That

00:41:48.400 With

00:41:48.800 Some

00:41:49.540 People

00:41:49.860 Expressing

00:41:50.580 Their

00:41:50.980 Safety

00:41:52.380 Concerns

00:41:53.260 And

00:41:53.480 How

00:41:53.680 They

00:41:53.840 Would

00:41:54.000 Feel

00:41:54.240 Uncomfortable

00:41:54.900 Being

00:41:56.520 In

00:41:56.740 That

00:41:56.920 Situation

00:41:57.540 And

00:41:58.100 Others

00:41:58.580 Saying

00:41:59.700 This

00:42:00.460 Is

00:42:00.680 The

00:42:00.900 Result

00:42:01.380 Of

00:42:01.900 Poor

00:42:03.080 Housing

00:42:03.460 Policy

00:42:04.040 And

00:42:04.720 You

00:42:05.600 Can't

00:42:05.980 Conflate

00:42:06.680 Being

00:42:07.520 Uncomfortable

00:42:08.400 With

00:42:08.800 Being

00:42:09.180 Unsafe

00:42:09.840 And

00:42:10.560 There's

00:42:11.000 You

00:42:11.380 Know

00:42:11.540 Maybe

00:42:13.360 A

00:42:13.620 Little

00:42:13.740 Bit

00:42:13.900 Of

00:42:14.040 Truth

00:42:14.400 To

00:42:15.000 Both

00:42:15.380 Sides

00:42:15.720 Of

00:42:15.900 That

00:42:16.180 My

00:42:17.940 Feeling

00:42:19.000 From

00:42:19.460 Sort

00:42:19.760 Of

00:42:19.860 The

00:42:20.100 Pulse

00:42:20.720 Of

00:42:21.000 The

00:42:21.160 City

00:42:21.400 Is

00:42:22.340 That

00:42:22.660 It

00:42:23.080 Is

00:42:23.600 Unsafe

00:42:24.180 At

00:42:24.880 Times

00:42:25.280 Do

00:42:25.760 You

00:42:25.820 Take

00:42:26.000 Transit

00:42:26.440 You

00:42:26.780 Transit

00:42:27.200 Person

00:42:27.520 I

00:42:28.380 Do

00:42:28.900 Although

00:42:30.080 It's

00:42:30.660 A

00:42:30.800 Little

00:42:30.920 Bit

00:42:31.100 Less

00:42:31.380 In

00:42:31.600 The

00:42:31.720 Winter

00:42:31.980 Because

00:42:32.380 They

00:42:32.820 Don't

00:42:33.420 Allow

00:42:33.640 My

00:42:33.840 Scooter

00:42:34.180 So

00:42:35.180 I'm

00:42:35.480 Not

00:42:37.760 As

00:42:38.180 Able

00:42:38.460 To

00:42:38.660 Access

00:42:38.960 The

00:42:39.260 Service

00:42:39.700 In

00:42:40.460 The

00:42:40.760 Winter

00:42:41.020 And

00:42:42.160 I

00:42:42.260 Just

00:42:42.480 Want

00:42:43.840 To

00:42:43.920 Tell

00:42:44.060 Everybody

00:42:44.320 Yes

00:42:44.780 She

00:42:45.160 Moves

00:42:45.820 Around

00:42:46.100 The

00:42:46.320 City

00:42:46.580 Folks

00:42:47.040 With

00:42:47.540 Great

00:42:47.880 Dexterity

00:42:48.680 And

00:42:48.900 Skill

00:42:49.420 On

00:42:50.160 Her

00:42:50.380 Scooter

00:42:50.880 Like

00:42:51.200 You

00:42:51.600 Never

00:42:51.820 See

00:42:52.040 She

00:42:52.660 Should

00:42:52.900 Enter

00:42:53.100 A

00:42:53.300 Race

00:42:53.580 Or

00:42:53.720 Something

00:42:54.040 She

00:42:54.240 Is

00:42:54.260 Really

00:42:54.440 Good

00:42:54.660 At

00:42:54.840 It

00:42:55.000 So

00:42:55.420 Go

00:42:56.000 Ahead

00:42:56.320 So

00:42:58.580 And

00:42:58.940 I've

00:42:59.160 Seen

00:42:59.600 You

00:42:59.940 Know

00:43:00.040 Everything

00:43:00.400 You

00:43:00.680 Can

00:43:00.860 Imagine

00:43:01.240 And

00:43:01.860 It's

00:43:02.120 Often

00:43:02.320 People

00:43:02.680 Who

00:43:03.240 Aren't

00:43:04.140 Even

00:43:04.320 Necessarily

00:43:05.000 Paying

00:43:05.660 To

00:43:05.900 Be

00:43:06.140 On

00:43:06.360 The

00:43:06.520 Subway

00:43:06.940 Or

00:43:08.040 Streetcar

00:43:09.020 Who

00:43:09.760 Are

00:43:10.140 Having

00:43:11.020 These

00:43:11.780 Episodes

00:43:12.500 And

00:43:13.820 So

00:43:14.440 It

00:43:15.440 Then

00:43:15.740 Deters

00:43:16.460 Everyone

00:43:17.460 From

00:43:17.940 Using

00:43:18.560 The

00:43:18.820 Service

00:43:19.140 And

00:43:20.220 There

00:43:20.360 Are

00:43:20.460 People

00:43:20.680 Who

00:43:20.900 Don't

00:43:21.160 Actually

00:43:21.560 Have

00:43:21.820 The

00:43:22.000 Luxury

00:43:22.500 Of

00:43:22.760 Choice

00:43:23.100 And

00:43:23.940 Must

00:43:24.540 Use

00:43:25.020 The

00:43:25.200 Service

00:43:25.660 Regardless

00:43:26.200 Of

00:43:27.000 The

00:43:28.220 Safety

00:43:28.800 And

00:43:28.960 That's

00:43:29.140 Not

00:43:29.300 Even

00:43:29.520 Touching

00:43:30.000 On

00:43:30.380 Delays

00:43:31.520 Or

00:43:32.180 Overcrowding

00:43:33.900 Or

00:43:34.220 Any

00:43:34.620 Of

00:43:34.820 That

00:43:35.040 So

00:43:36.000 There

00:43:37.120 Are

00:43:37.280 Aspects

00:43:37.760 Of

00:43:37.880 Our

00:43:38.180 Transit

00:43:38.560 That

00:43:38.900 Are

00:43:39.100 In

00:43:39.360 Pretty

00:43:39.720 Rough

00:43:39.980 Shape

00:43:40.300 And

00:43:41.480 You

00:43:41.900 Know

00:43:42.020 It's

00:43:42.580 I

00:43:43.360 Agree

00:43:43.580 With

00:43:43.740 The

00:43:43.860 View

00:43:44.020 That

00:43:44.180 It's

00:43:44.300 Not

00:43:44.480 Meant

00:43:44.700 To

00:43:44.880 Be

00:43:45.220 A

00:43:46.000 Mobile

00:43:46.500 Shelter

00:43:47.180 It's

00:43:47.920 Supposed

00:43:48.260 To

00:43:48.420 Be

00:43:48.700 Getting

00:43:49.360 People

00:43:49.700 From

00:43:49.920 Point

00:43:50.220 A

00:43:50.380 To

00:43:50.500 Point

00:43:50.740 B

00:43:51.040 Having

00:43:51.960 Said

00:43:52.360 That

00:43:52.740 The

00:43:53.460 Reality

00:43:53.880 Is

00:43:54.440 That

00:43:55.240 People

00:43:56.360 There

00:43:56.980 Are

00:43:57.060 People

00:43:57.260 In

00:43:57.420 Precarious

00:43:58.000 Spots

00:43:58.420 Who

00:43:59.880 Simply

00:44:00.760 There

00:44:00.980 Aren't

00:44:01.260 Enough

00:44:01.580 Services

00:44:02.120 Available

00:44:03.420 To

00:44:04.440 Meet

00:44:04.960 Their

00:44:05.180 Needs

00:44:05.620 And

00:44:06.000 They

00:44:07.040 Then

00:44:07.320 Take

00:44:07.680 What's

00:44:08.020 A

00:44:08.120 Rational

00:44:08.540 Decision

00:44:09.620 Of

00:44:10.200 Parking

00:44:11.720 Themselves

00:44:12.320 On

00:44:13.000 The

00:44:13.420 Train

00:44:13.660 So

00:44:14.940 I

00:44:15.960 Don't

00:44:16.120 Know

00:44:16.280 That

00:44:16.420 I

00:44:16.520 Have

00:44:16.660 A

00:44:16.780 Solution

00:44:17.140 To

00:44:17.480 It

00:44:17.680 It

00:44:18.840 Is

00:44:19.180 A

00:44:19.320 Real

00:44:19.620 Issue

00:44:20.680 And

00:44:21.560 There's

00:44:21.900 A

00:44:22.000 Lot

00:44:22.120 Of

00:44:22.240 Virtue

00:44:22.560 Signaling

00:44:23.400 That

00:44:23.580 Happens

00:44:23.900 Around

00:44:24.160 This

00:44:24.440 As

00:44:24.660 Well

00:44:24.860 That

00:44:26.060 I

00:44:26.520 Think

00:44:26.740 Is

00:44:26.900 Just

00:44:27.140 Disingenuous

00:44:28.420 From

00:44:29.020 Anyone

00:44:29.280 Who

00:44:29.480 Actually

00:44:29.880 Needs

00:44:30.280 To

00:44:30.600 Use

00:44:31.640 Transit

00:44:32.240 Right

00:44:33.520 Whether

00:44:33.740 It's

00:44:34.380 Smells

00:44:34.740 Or

00:44:35.000 Sounds

00:44:35.460 Or

00:44:35.680 Sights

00:44:36.040 Or

00:44:36.240 Open

00:44:36.520 Drug

00:44:36.800 Use

00:44:37.140 Those

00:44:38.040 Aren't

00:44:38.300 Things

00:44:38.640 That

00:44:38.960 People

00:44:39.420 Should

00:44:39.800 Be

00:44:40.100 Exposed

00:44:40.540 To

00:44:40.860 Trying

00:44:41.400 To

00:44:41.500 Get

00:44:41.720 From

00:44:41.920 Point

00:44:42.160 A

00:44:42.260 To

00:44:42.360 B

00:44:42.780 In

00:44:43.200 The

00:44:43.280 City

00:44:43.560 So

00:44:45.040 Yeah

00:44:45.260 It

00:44:45.560 Is

00:44:45.840 Something

00:44:46.220 That

00:44:46.420 Has

00:44:46.600 To

00:44:46.720 Be

00:44:46.860 Addressed

00:44:47.220 I

00:44:47.520 Don't

00:44:47.700 Have

00:44:48.000 A

00:44:48.820 Solution

00:44:49.240 But

00:44:49.720 It

00:44:50.280 Is

00:44:50.400 A

00:44:50.520 Real

00:44:50.640 Problem

00:44:50.980 Well

00:44:51.620 It's

00:44:52.160 Your

00:44:54.860 Considered

00:44:55.200 And

00:44:55.320 Important

00:44:55.800 So

00:44:56.400 Next

00:44:56.720 Week

00:44:57.020 I'm

00:44:57.300 Going

00:44:57.540 To

00:44:57.720 Be

00:44:57.880 I'm

00:44:58.100 Leaving

00:44:58.380 For

00:44:58.760 Marial

00:44:59.220 England

00:44:59.600 Tomorrow

00:45:00.160 And

00:45:01.160 Which

00:45:01.420 Has

00:45:01.580 Been

00:45:01.720 A

00:45:01.900 Center

00:45:02.200 Of

00:45:02.440 Protest

00:45:02.920 Globally

00:45:03.520 In

00:45:04.060 The

00:45:04.200 Past

00:45:04.580 Couple

00:45:05.240 Years

00:45:05.700 So

00:45:06.480 I

00:45:06.900 Intend

00:45:07.380 To

00:45:07.780 If

00:45:08.020 There's

00:45:08.240 Any

00:45:08.420 Going

00:45:08.640 On

00:45:08.920 I'm

00:45:09.040 Going

00:45:09.120 To

00:45:09.200 And

00:45:09.820 And

00:45:09.840 Watch

00:45:10.740 Them

00:45:11.000 And

00:45:11.140 Document

00:45:11.480 Them

00:45:11.660 And

00:45:11.760 I'm

00:45:11.880 Going

00:45:11.900 To

00:45:11.980 Send

00:45:12.220 That

00:45:12.440 To

00:45:12.760 You

00:45:13.040 How

00:45:13.540 About

00:45:13.740 That

00:45:14.040 So

00:45:14.240 We

00:45:14.420 Get

00:45:14.560 Some

00:45:14.740 International

00:45:15.260 Coverage

00:45:15.880 With

00:45:16.600 The

00:45:16.880 Fine

00:45:17.340 Work

00:45:17.620 That

00:45:17.840 You

00:45:17.960 Do

00:45:18.220 So

00:45:20.520 Have

00:45:20.720 A

00:45:20.820 Safe

00:45:21.020 Trip

00:45:21.260 Thanks

00:45:21.740 So

00:45:21.940 Much

00:45:22.200 And

00:45:22.460 Thank

00:45:22.740 You

00:45:22.860 For

00:45:23.020 This

00:45:23.320 Have

00:45:23.760 A

00:45:23.900 Great

00:45:24.100 Day

00:45:24.340 And

00:45:24.440 A

00:45:24.540 Great

00:45:24.740 Week

00:45:25.040 And

00:45:25.780 I'll

00:45:26.060 Talk

00:45:26.260 To

00:45:26.360 You

00:45:26.460 Soon

00:45:26.700 Bye

00:45:47.820 Bye

00:45:56.440 And

00:45:56.860 There's

00:45:57.900 A

00:45:58.540 Ke

00:45:59.740 Is

00:46:06.360 Up

00:46:10.600 And

00:46:10.940 There is

00:46:11.600 Österreich

00:46:12.060 There

00:46:13.300 Is

00:46:13.460 Rabbi

00:46:14.560 And I don't want to take about it anymore

00:46:44.560 I don't want to think about it anymore

00:46:49.520 And it feels okay

00:46:51.560 But that doesn't make it stop

00:46:54.860 It is, and I don't sound like him because I'm not him,

00:46:58.220 but Mr. Ben Malurini will be back with you Monday.

00:47:01.580 I'm Alex Pearson in for him,

00:47:03.960 and we're chatting with Warren Kinsella, Chris Chapin,

00:47:06.220 about all the big kind of stories,

00:47:07.460 and a lot of them the same kind of theme, economic-wise.

00:47:11.300 And the Shopify CEO, and Shopify is one of the Canadian success stories,

00:47:17.660 they've just had to lay off 140 of their staff,

00:47:21.260 blasting the federal government.

00:47:23.140 A couple of days ago, Melanie Jolie,

00:47:25.560 who I would love to see off to France,

00:47:27.960 was going on and on, boasting about Canada being a leading global tech player.

00:47:34.720 And the Shopify CEO pointing out,

00:47:36.740 no, no, that's not the case, in fact.

00:47:38.480 You know, and she was referencing this company, Nokia,

00:47:40.920 saying, look, when companies come here to Canada,

00:47:43.460 they're not coming here because it's fantastic to do business with.

00:47:46.220 They're coming here because we throw money at them in corporate welfare.

00:47:49.740 And Chris, it's true.

00:47:51.300 We only are able, you know, seemingly to attract talent,

00:47:54.760 you know, in companies here if we actually pay them.

00:47:57.500 So in other words, we're paying to create jobs,

00:47:59.600 and we're literally underselling ourselves.

00:48:02.520 And so to his point, we can't compete.

00:48:04.620 We literally are destroying ourselves,

00:48:07.720 but this is now how business is done in this country.

00:48:11.700 Yeah, I think there's some truth to that, Alex.

00:48:15.400 I think there's also the realities that, you know,

00:48:19.140 we are one country amongst many competing to attract investment

00:48:23.920 and attract businesses here,

00:48:26.260 competing against, you know,

00:48:28.740 our competing nations in the G7 and the G20.

00:48:31.480 And so there's an argument to be made,

00:48:35.220 the corporate welfare side about us, you know,

00:48:37.260 giving these companies money to locate here.

00:48:39.980 The question then becomes, you know,

00:48:42.280 what does that mean for our long-term economics,

00:48:44.940 the long-term success of our economy?

00:48:46.960 And does having these companies locate in Canada,

00:48:51.060 in one of our provinces, hiring, you know,

00:48:53.500 maybe they hire foreign workers

00:48:55.180 and bring over foreign talent to begin,

00:48:56.820 but do they train and do they upskill our workforce?

00:48:59.020 And so, you know, I think there's two sides

00:49:01.720 to the corporate welfare coin

00:49:03.840 and that argument around subsidizing jobs.

00:49:07.540 It's a tricky one because I think there's, you know,

00:49:10.640 I think it's often a pipe dream to imagine

00:49:12.900 that we just create these businesses on our own.

00:49:15.200 You know, it takes, you know,

00:49:16.540 innovative talent to start companies.

00:49:18.400 I think Shopify is an incredible success story.

00:49:20.700 That said, bringing other companies,

00:49:23.240 global companies to start a footprint here in Canada

00:49:26.260 is never a bad thing.

00:49:28.340 Yeah, but again, Warren,

00:49:29.720 it just is very difficult to attract investment here.

00:49:33.360 And look, we just got GDP numbers today

00:49:35.820 and, you know, yeah,

00:49:37.000 they blasted quote-unquote past expectations,

00:49:40.020 but the expectations weren't that great.

00:49:42.500 And frankly, it tells us just a snapshot in time

00:49:45.720 because, you know,

00:49:46.720 while September gave us a bit of a bounce back,

00:49:49.520 October's data doesn't look great.

00:49:51.480 It looks like companies are kind of just shoring up

00:49:54.240 and trying to get ahead of tariff hits, right?

00:49:56.840 So we're in a really volatile time.

00:49:59.460 And while technically we're not in a recession,

00:50:02.740 most people feel like we're in recession.

00:50:09.360 Warren there?

00:50:10.320 Hey, Warren.

00:50:11.460 Sorry, we're not just in a volatile time.

00:50:13.640 We're in a vulnerable time.

00:50:15.320 Yeah.

00:50:15.600 You know, the data is that we're not going to see,

00:50:18.300 like we've got growth of, you know,

00:50:19.880 0.1, 0.2%, way less than we'd all hoped it to be.

00:50:24.680 And that's not going to meaningfully change

00:50:26.680 until they're thinking this, you know,

00:50:28.500 the second quarter, third quarter of 2016.

00:50:32.220 So we've got a long way to go.

00:50:34.000 And obviously, Mr. Trump's tariffs have not helped.

00:50:36.660 But I think we're making a big mistake,

00:50:38.420 the three of us.

00:50:39.320 And that's taking seriously anything

00:50:41.820 that Melanie Jolie has to say.

00:50:43.740 I think we could start a new program

00:50:46.520 called Dumb Things That Melanie Jolie Had Said Today.

00:50:50.240 And like, it would have really good ratings.

00:50:52.000 Because you look at her response,

00:50:53.760 it's not just this one, on Stellantis,

00:50:55.880 which is another case of corporate welfare.

00:50:58.480 Stellantis, she's now, she took a strong position on it.

00:51:01.380 They can't do what they're doing.

00:51:02.620 They can't move Jeep production

00:51:03.980 from Brampton to Illinois.

00:51:06.020 Now she's saying, well, actually,

00:51:07.520 I didn't read the contract.

00:51:09.420 Like, you just can't make this stuff up.

00:51:11.560 So that's my advice to everybody.

00:51:13.040 Don't take seriously what Melanie Jolie has to say.

00:51:16.220 Yeah, but sadly, she is the Labour Minister.

00:51:17.780 And sadly, it's an important job,

00:51:19.220 especially when we're in a situation as we are.

00:51:23.020 But, you know, what would you be doing

00:51:25.160 if you were, let's say, the carny government?

00:51:28.320 You know, Chris, and I know you're not.

00:51:30.060 I mean, the bottom line is,

00:51:31.440 there's the immediate struggle now

00:51:33.340 for everyday Canadians who are falling further

00:51:35.600 and further and further behind.

00:51:37.520 And yet, you know, we seem to get more and more expensive.

00:51:40.560 I was just kind of looking at some of the numbers

00:51:42.860 as to, you know, from 2015 to 2024,

00:51:46.400 our economic growth,

00:51:47.440 when we look at all our comparable,

00:51:49.240 you know, economies, the OECD countries,

00:51:53.480 our growth is just 1.4%,

00:51:55.320 where you look at the United States, 18.2%.

00:51:58.400 And again, we've got companies

00:52:00.740 heading to the United States

00:52:02.120 because they don't pay higher taxes

00:52:03.840 and they don't deal with as many regulations.

00:52:06.200 But, you know, everyday people

00:52:07.820 can't just pick up and leave.

00:52:08.960 They're stuck here in a very expensive taxed country

00:52:12.340 where things like food are going up.

00:52:15.180 I want to play you some audio

00:52:16.140 of someone who lives in the United States

00:52:17.820 and came home to visit his parents

00:52:19.400 and just shocked by how expensive

00:52:21.640 life for everyday people has gotten.

00:52:23.700 Take a listen.

00:52:24.120 What the hell is going on in Canada right now?

00:52:26.760 I am home visiting my parents

00:52:28.020 this weekend for the holidays.

00:52:29.480 I live in the West Village in New York City,

00:52:32.380 the highest cost of living yuppie area

00:52:35.120 ever in the history of the United States.

00:52:37.300 I am never shocked when I get a dinner bill.

00:52:39.720 I'm never shocked when I go on vacation.

00:52:42.000 Nothing phases me.

00:52:42.780 I've traveled all over the world.

00:52:44.260 Tell me why I come home to Newmarket, Ontario,

00:52:47.560 the suburbs of Toronto,

00:52:49.220 and I'm shocked at the cost of living here.

00:52:52.140 How are Canadian people making it work?

00:52:56.280 Everybody involved with the economy right now

00:52:58.720 needs to be fired immediately.

00:53:00.200 We need to contact the UN

00:53:01.500 and get a binding resolution here.

00:53:03.780 Something sinister is going on in Canada,

00:53:07.080 and I'm determined to get to the bottom of it.

00:53:09.080 I don't know if you can get to the bottom of it

00:53:10.680 other than we're just taxed too high,

00:53:12.200 but this is an issue.

00:53:13.900 We're talking pipelines and that,

00:53:15.240 but the solutions, Chris,

00:53:17.480 are not going to come overnight

00:53:18.420 for everyday Canadians

00:53:19.480 who just can't afford stuff.

00:53:21.120 No, they're not.

00:53:22.400 I'm curious what this guy does

00:53:23.880 to travel all over the world,

00:53:25.620 live in the United States,

00:53:27.040 and think that a UN binding resolution

00:53:29.600 is going to be fixed on it.

00:53:29.800 I think he was saying, yeah.

00:53:31.540 But notwithstanding that,

00:53:33.560 no, listen,

00:53:34.280 Canada's become an extremely expensive place

00:53:37.040 to live,

00:53:38.680 and I think every Canadian knows that

00:53:41.160 and feels that.

00:53:42.560 You can't go out for a meal these days

00:53:44.740 or go to the grocery store

00:53:46.040 without seeing something that,

00:53:47.480 you know,

00:53:47.900 my wife joked to me the other day,

00:53:49.500 she's like, you know,

00:53:50.020 we're going to become our parents pretty soon

00:53:51.940 where we talk about the price

00:53:52.960 of a bottle of Coke was five cents,

00:53:55.220 you know,

00:53:55.540 but it's happening,

00:53:57.040 you know,

00:53:57.260 the jump in prices for everyday goods,

00:54:00.180 it's like they've doubled

00:54:01.380 since five years ago in this country.

00:54:03.060 You know,

00:54:03.260 it's not like something you talked about

00:54:04.660 20, 30 years ago.

00:54:05.680 It's the price of everything's gone up,

00:54:07.280 and it is a real challenge,

00:54:08.620 and Alex,

00:54:09.680 you know,

00:54:10.060 the pipeline's not going to be built overnight,

00:54:11.620 but it's a good start.

00:54:13.880 For far too long,

00:54:14.960 I believe this country's relied on

00:54:16.560 public sector jobs

00:54:17.820 and the government

00:54:18.580 to get us through things,

00:54:19.640 and we've seen our economy,

00:54:21.660 you know,

00:54:22.240 stagnate,

00:54:22.900 and we do need economic growth,

00:54:24.520 and so I'm encouraged by a pipeline,

00:54:26.180 I'm encouraged by some of these

00:54:27.760 nation-building projects.

00:54:30.000 The only thing is,

00:54:31.220 they need to,

00:54:31.720 you know,

00:54:31.940 they needed to start yesterday,

00:54:33.280 and we need to stop talking about them

00:54:35.660 as, you know,

00:54:36.260 the future,

00:54:36.960 like,

00:54:37.100 they need to be today.

00:54:38.680 Yeah,

00:54:39.060 but they're not,

00:54:39.580 and I'll give you the last word,

00:54:41.260 you know,

00:54:41.600 Warren,

00:54:41.880 the bottom line is,

00:54:42.660 people need relief,

00:54:43.480 and I don't know then

00:54:44.720 what happens at the provincial level,

00:54:46.540 the federal level,

00:54:47.120 but this is something

00:54:47.760 Carney's going to have to get around,

00:54:49.100 because,

00:54:49.580 you know,

00:54:50.380 it's not going to correct

00:54:51.660 anytime soon,

00:54:52.680 so 2026,

00:54:54.240 what does that look like for Carney?

00:54:56.680 Well,

00:54:57.100 the,

00:54:57.320 just listening to the clip,

00:54:58.680 it's just like,

00:54:59.260 we're getting a lecture from a guy

00:55:01.180 who's spending $7,000 a month

00:55:02.880 to live in a broom closet in Brooklyn,

00:55:04.680 but anyway,

00:55:05.720 no,

00:55:06.460 it's bad everywhere.

00:55:07.480 I mean,

00:55:07.660 the most powerful force

00:55:08.840 in democratic politics

00:55:10.620 around the world now

00:55:11.500 is affordability.

00:55:12.500 There's no other issue

00:55:13.440 that comes even close,

00:55:15.220 and some politicians

00:55:16.500 know how to take advantage of that,

00:55:18.980 as Trump did,

00:55:19.840 as Carney did,

00:55:21.040 and then some politicians

00:55:22.320 end up being ended by it,

00:55:24.160 like Justin Trudeau was.

00:55:25.880 So,

00:55:26.420 you know,

00:55:27.740 can government solve

00:55:29.140 all of this problem?

00:55:30.720 I don't believe it can.

00:55:32.320 I mean,

00:55:32.640 I think if Trump and Carney

00:55:34.180 had some ability,

00:55:36.400 some magic wand

00:55:37.100 that they could waive

00:55:38.180 to fix affordability,

00:55:39.780 they would.

00:55:40.820 But,

00:55:41.120 you know,

00:55:41.320 there's a multiplicity

00:55:42.300 of factors involved here,

00:55:44.000 and unfortunately,

00:55:46.040 I think this is going to be

00:55:46.920 a fact of life for us

00:55:48.100 for,

00:55:48.940 from some considerable

00:55:50.400 period of time.

00:55:51.360 I mean,

00:55:51.520 that's what the economists

00:55:52.440 are saying,

00:55:53.200 is buckle your seatbelts.

00:55:55.060 Things are going to get

00:55:55.940 even worse in 2026,

00:55:57.620 and so I hate to be,

00:55:58.600 I hate to be Scrooge,

00:55:59.680 but that's what they're saying.

00:56:00.660 I'm a lean statue,

00:56:25.060 you'll see the truth.

00:56:36.040 I'm built up like a brick,

00:56:48.140 brick,

00:56:49.220 I'm built up like a brick,

00:56:51.220 brick,

00:56:52.300 brick,

00:56:52.820 and brick.

00:56:53.200 Head high to the sky

00:56:55.360 looking at the moon,

00:56:59.660 !

00:57:02.520 Ah

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00:57:36.520 My eyes open wide

00:57:39.520 Enough to slip through

00:57:42.520 But they shame you

00:57:46.520 And then they do it too

00:57:50.520 Always someone in line

00:57:54.520 So I know you

00:57:58.520 My eyes right to the sky

00:58:02.520 I'll be quiet

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01:00:22.520 for example, are actually located. So there's a news organization, for example, called Times of

01:00:28.440 Gaza. It's got a million followers. Journalists in the West have been repeating their stuff

01:00:33.580 and regurgitating their stuff for months now. And its location is claimed to be Palestine.

01:00:40.640 It's not. They're actually based in East Asia. And they connected to Twitter using the North

01:00:46.400 Africa app store. Amir from Gaza, you know, he talks about how another one who's very popular

01:00:54.620 platform account, he said, I'm from the heart of Gaza and the womb of suffering. Well, he's in the

01:01:01.160 womb of suffering in the United Kingdom. He's nowhere near the front line in Gaza. So there's

01:01:07.280 hundreds of examples of this came out over the weekend. And, you know, we have a big thanks to

01:01:14.320 Musk and to X for doing this, because it now proves what guys like me have been saying.

01:01:20.140 And I say in my book, The Hidden Hand, that a lot of the stuff you're seeing online, particularly on

01:01:27.300 these social media platforms, it's a lie. It's fake. It's false. And, you know, right now, the

01:01:33.640 statistics I've, you know, the experts I've talked to for the book, tell me about 55% of what you're

01:01:39.420 seeing now on the internet, wherever you look, 55% of it was written by something that's not a

01:01:46.140 human. It's written by a robot. So, you know, buyer beware when you're going online.

01:01:50.380 Little star, leave me squealing like a pig.

01:02:12.480 Little star, leave me squealing like I'm sick. Oh, we know. Oh, we know.

01:02:19.480 Little star, leave me feeling like I'm sick. Oh, we know. Oh, we know.

01:02:35.480 Little star, leave me feeling like I'm sick. Oh, we know. Oh, it was a good one.

01:02:47.480 Oh, we know. Oh, we know. Oh, we know. Oh, we know. Oh, we know. Oh, we know.

01:03:05.480 Oh, you know

01:03:10.280 Oh, you know

01:03:16.240 Oh, you know

01:03:22.060 Like a lighter to flame

01:03:35.480 I'll take pride in all your games

01:03:47.480 If you go, I will come back

01:03:59.480 If you go, I will come back

01:04:06.480 If you go, I will come back

01:04:14.480 If you go, I will come back

01:04:22.480 I'll treat you even better start

kinsellacast - November 29, 2025

KINSELLACAST 390： Pipe dreams with Lilley, Sa'd, Pierson and more - plus Hot Water Music, Jeff Rosenstock, Fraulëin, Dexter and the Moonrocks

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