kinsellacast - KINSELLACAST 393： Warren gets Grinchy with Lilley, Sa'd, Mulroney - plus Jacuzzi Boys, Suzi Quatro, Dillinger Four, Surfbort

00:00:00.000 it's the Kinsella cast starring

00:00:07.520 Warren Kinsella

00:00:08.880 hey it's Warren

00:00:19.720 welcome to the Kinsella cast

00:00:21.040 no Christmas carols

00:00:22.620 no Christmas carols on this show

00:00:25.580 I'm not being Grinch like

00:00:27.960 like I have been wrapping presents

00:00:29.720 and feeling kind of Christmassy

00:00:31.220 I'm even driving around

00:00:32.540 listening to Christmas carols

00:00:34.140 many of which have been written by

00:00:35.740 Jewish musicians by the way

00:00:38.300 over the years

00:00:38.900 but anyway

00:00:39.340 and so I'm not going to play

00:00:42.400 any Christmas tunes on this show

00:00:43.880 but I do have great music

00:00:45.520 like a real range

00:00:48.780 I've got the Jacuzzi Boys from Miami 0.99

00:00:50.860 they've been around since 2007

00:00:52.680 their song Being Dragged

00:00:54.980 very poppy

00:00:55.920 then I've got Suzy Quatro 1.00

00:00:57.500 and I've admired Suzy Quatro forever

00:01:00.280 succeeding

00:01:01.380 a woman succeeding in rock and roll 0.98

00:01:03.140 is pretty hard to do

00:01:04.040 and she's a bassist 1.00

00:01:05.240 which means she's awesome 1.00

00:01:06.540 all bassists are awesome

00:01:08.000 and so she's a songwriter

00:01:10.140 an actress

00:01:10.760 and she's got this song

00:01:12.880 called Tear Me Apart

00:01:15.800 which I'm going to play for you

00:01:16.800 from 1977

00:01:18.380 came out during the punk explosion

00:01:21.040 charted in the UK

00:01:22.320 such a great tune

00:01:23.760 she's such a great artist

00:01:24.980 Dillinger 4

00:01:26.000 I love

00:01:26.920 love love Dillinger 4

00:01:28.860 I hung out with them one day

00:01:31.220 when they were touring

00:01:33.220 with NoFX

00:01:34.320 and Against Me

00:01:35.600 and

00:01:36.700 they're from Minneapolis

00:01:38.640 same lineup

00:01:40.560 for just about 30 years

00:01:42.440 and

00:01:43.420 such great guys

00:01:44.680 and they write such great songs

00:01:45.840 and they deserve much more success

00:01:47.380 than they've gotten

00:01:47.860 by the way

00:01:48.280 that was Tommy sneezing

00:01:49.920 in the background

00:01:50.460 and then finally

00:01:51.620 I've got Surfport

00:01:52.540 and they're an American punk band

00:01:55.120 from Brooklyn 1.00

00:01:56.240 and they are super fucked up 1.00

00:01:58.460 even though their stuff 0.99

00:01:59.520 has been featured

00:02:00.860 on Gucci commercials

00:02:02.000 and they've got famous people

00:02:03.460 who love them

00:02:04.200 just watch their video

00:02:06.380 this is what it's called

00:02:07.660 White Claw Enema Bong Hit 1.00

00:02:10.180 it is so fucked up 1.00

00:02:14.260 but it's glorious 0.99

00:02:16.080 and that's when I really started

00:02:18.220 to dig Surfport

00:02:19.180 so you should check them out

00:02:21.420 and I'm going to play their tune

00:02:22.460 Lucky for you

00:02:23.380 which is not as weird

00:02:24.400 as White Claw Enema Bong Hit 0.58

00:02:26.820 also got

00:02:28.260 people who are not

00:02:30.320 doing White Enema

00:02:32.660 White Claw Enema Bong Hits

00:02:35.520 I've got Brian Lilly

00:02:36.800 who's in California

00:02:38.700 although you never know

00:02:39.680 right

00:02:39.980 I mean it's California

00:02:40.820 after all

00:02:41.440 and

00:02:42.420 he's kindly

00:02:43.740 gotten up

00:02:44.540 early

00:02:45.520 well

00:02:46.020 he may have gotten up

00:02:47.160 early anyway

00:02:47.780 but he's sitting there

00:02:49.740 and taunting me

00:02:51.020 about what the weather

00:02:52.220 is like there

00:02:52.920 so

00:02:53.260 talk to him

00:02:54.680 Kareem Asad

00:02:55.380 is going to the opposite

00:02:56.380 end of the scale

00:02:57.180 she's heading to Ottawa

00:02:58.440 today

00:02:58.960 so got her

00:03:00.320 en route

00:03:00.940 and Ben Moroni

00:03:01.760 and I

00:03:02.140 and some great music

00:03:03.580 but anyway

00:03:04.180 to be serious

00:03:05.020 for a moment

00:03:05.800 I want to talk

00:03:07.860 about moments

00:03:08.480 like that is

00:03:09.460 the moment

00:03:10.460 like you wake up

00:03:11.800 on a Sunday morning

00:03:12.740 and you pick up

00:03:13.480 your phone

00:03:13.940 and there's a photo

00:03:14.840 of someone you know

00:03:16.180 covered in blood

00:03:18.180 his head

00:03:19.440 his face

00:03:20.260 his t-shirt

00:03:21.160 he's covered in it

00:03:22.860 and he's on the ground

00:03:24.520 on the grass somewhere

00:03:25.500 and there's cars behind him

00:03:27.300 and some banners fluttering

00:03:28.940 and then there's a post

00:03:30.800 beside the photo

00:03:31.980 and it says

00:03:33.460 human rights lawyer

00:03:34.760 Arsene Ostrovsky

00:03:36.040 shared a photo of himself

00:03:37.260 after being shot

00:03:38.460 at Bondi Beach

00:03:39.860 in Sydney

00:03:40.580 he survived

00:03:41.860 that's the moment

00:03:44.440 like there was no period

00:03:46.340 after the word

00:03:47.140 survived

00:03:48.060 as if the author

00:03:49.660 was interrupted

00:03:50.540 there was no indication

00:03:51.920 of why he was shot

00:03:53.000 or who did it

00:03:53.840 but I found out

00:03:55.240 soon enough

00:03:55.820 the relevant details

00:03:57.020 two Muslim men

00:03:58.020 a father and a son

00:03:59.240 had gone on

00:04:00.740 a killing spree

00:04:01.620 at a beach

00:04:02.200 in Australia

00:04:02.840 they were hunting

00:04:03.880 for Jews

00:04:04.640 Arsene was on

00:04:06.820 the beach

00:04:07.120 with his family

00:04:07.740 to celebrate

00:04:08.620 the start of Hanukkah

00:04:09.760 which is an

00:04:11.920 eight day

00:04:12.460 Jewish festival

00:04:13.440 ends today

00:04:14.140 marks the triumph

00:04:15.280 of light

00:04:16.240 over darkness

00:04:17.100 and like at that moment

00:04:19.220 he was staring back

00:04:20.500 at me

00:04:21.000 on my phone

00:04:21.900 covered in blood

00:04:22.800 from a bullet wound

00:04:24.200 to his head

00:04:24.860 here's another moment

00:04:27.200 we live in Canada

00:04:29.460 and we wake up

00:04:30.560 to the news

00:04:31.100 that the RCMP

00:04:31.840 and other police agencies

00:04:33.220 have arrested

00:04:34.320 three alleged

00:04:35.920 Islamic terrorists 1.00

00:04:37.220 who have a fetish 1.00

00:04:38.700 for ISIS

00:04:39.340 and who plan

00:04:40.740 to kidnap

00:04:41.500 and terrorize 1.00

00:04:42.360 Jewish women 1.00

00:04:43.220 right off

00:04:44.540 the streets

00:04:45.080 of Toronto

00:04:45.660 and a judge

00:04:47.400 granted bail

00:04:48.180 to one of those guys

00:04:48.900 a guy facing

00:04:49.940 terrorism charges

00:04:50.920 released

00:04:51.640 onto the streets

00:04:52.820 like those

00:04:54.380 are the moments

00:04:55.080 folks

00:04:55.640 when the camera

00:04:56.640 lens

00:04:57.120 swings back

00:04:58.180 onto you

00:04:58.940 what do you do

00:05:00.340 how do you react

00:05:01.680 unfortunately

00:05:03.140 if you're like

00:05:03.700 a lot of people

00:05:04.340 these days

00:05:04.880 you just keep

00:05:05.840 scrolling

00:05:06.340 you know

00:05:07.080 you go to

00:05:07.360 the weather report

00:05:08.140 and some sports scores

00:05:09.580 and you've already

00:05:10.180 forgotten about

00:05:10.880 Arson Ostrovsky

00:05:11.980 and the 15 people

00:05:13.660 a rabbi

00:05:14.500 a holocaust survivor

00:05:15.680 children

00:05:16.280 who were slaughtered

00:05:17.660 on Bondi Beach

00:05:18.580 you've already

00:05:19.840 forgotten about

00:05:20.440 the terrorists

00:05:20.940 planning to kidnap 1.00

00:05:22.380 and kill Jews 1.00

00:05:23.200 here in Canada 1.00

00:05:24.300 and me

00:05:25.920 I couldn't stop

00:05:27.060 thinking about Arson

00:05:27.940 who I know

00:05:28.500 like I've talked to him

00:05:30.140 I've interviewed him

00:05:30.860 he's helped me out

00:05:32.200 on the book

00:05:33.180 that I've written

00:05:33.740 that's coming out

00:05:34.360 in February

00:05:34.820 The Hidden Hand

00:05:35.500 like he's this smart

00:05:36.880 thoughtful

00:05:37.540 kind-hearted guy

00:05:38.640 and he talked to me

00:05:40.260 about his family

00:05:41.080 about moving

00:05:41.720 from Ukraine

00:05:42.780 to Australia

00:05:43.400 when he was a kid

00:05:44.340 to get away

00:05:45.200 from anti-Semitism

00:05:46.280 believe it or not

00:05:47.720 he talked about

00:05:48.720 living in Australia

00:05:49.600 for a while

00:05:50.260 and then returning

00:05:51.620 to Australia

00:05:52.420 to start

00:05:53.100 a new job

00:05:54.580 well no

00:05:55.800 he was in Israel

00:05:56.500 and then went to Australia

00:05:57.460 and they did that

00:05:58.720 to oppose the haters

00:05:59.800 why did he do that

00:06:01.320 because since October 7th

00:06:03.400 2023

00:06:04.000 it's been really

00:06:04.840 really bad

00:06:05.640 there has been

00:06:06.820 a global avalanche

00:06:08.080 of murder

00:06:08.580 and violence

00:06:09.460 and discrimination

00:06:10.200 against Jews 1.00

00:06:11.260 everywhere

00:06:12.260 and Canada 0.99

00:06:13.720 is one of the worst 0.93

00:06:14.480 places for it

00:06:15.360 by the way

00:06:15.880 and sure enough

00:06:17.440 mere hours

00:06:18.060 after the attack

00:06:19.480 on Bondi Beach

00:06:20.280 it was happening again

00:06:21.360 right afterwards

00:06:22.640 a mass mob

00:06:23.480 screaming about Jews

00:06:24.420 at a Montreal 0.65

00:06:25.040 Christmas festival

00:06:26.360 a man standing

00:06:27.780 in front of a Jewish school

00:06:28.860 mocking photos

00:06:29.820 of Jewish children 0.85

00:06:30.480 and hours

00:06:31.540 after the alleged

00:06:32.460 ISIS trio 0.92

00:06:33.480 were charged 1.00

00:06:34.180 some assholes 1.00

00:06:35.520 protesting 1.00

00:06:36.260 of bookstores

00:06:36.980 across Canada

00:06:37.920 owned by a Jew

00:06:39.460 simply because

00:06:41.320 she is a Jew

00:06:42.140 life goes pretty fast

00:06:45.420 when you're young

00:06:46.860 it seems to be

00:06:48.120 going too slow

00:06:49.340 but when you get older

00:06:50.580 you can see it

00:06:51.320 whipping past you

00:06:52.140 like the landscape

00:06:52.940 on a fast moving train

00:06:54.420 and you become

00:06:55.760 really aware

00:06:56.740 that life

00:06:57.380 is finite

00:06:58.040 and so

00:06:58.820 are the moments

00:06:59.560 that make it up

00:07:00.440 that's why

00:07:01.700 certain moments

00:07:02.540 right after

00:07:03.100 October 7th

00:07:04.140 right after

00:07:04.660 Bondi Beach

00:07:05.360 right after

00:07:05.840 the terror

00:07:06.300 arrests

00:07:07.280 they're really

00:07:08.720 really important

00:07:09.460 not just to Jews

00:07:10.400 they're the moments

00:07:11.400 when indifference

00:07:12.040 is no longer

00:07:12.800 an option

00:07:13.400 they're the moments

00:07:14.560 when you need

00:07:15.080 to do something

00:07:15.900 to get off

00:07:16.660 the sidelines

00:07:17.620 moments

00:07:19.260 months

00:07:20.620 before he was shot

00:07:22.780 Arsene Ostrovsky

00:07:24.080 spoke to me

00:07:25.040 about those moments

00:07:25.960 when doing nothing

00:07:27.100 is no longer

00:07:28.360 an option

00:07:28.920 when silence

00:07:29.920 is complicity

00:07:31.540 quote

00:07:33.020 it's more of a duty

00:07:34.880 and an obligation

00:07:35.960 he said to me

00:07:37.080 for those who do believe

00:07:39.560 in those values

00:07:40.580 we hold dear

00:07:41.520 including outside

00:07:42.560 of Israel

00:07:42.980 speak up

00:07:43.740 I think it's imperative

00:07:45.140 that our friends

00:07:45.920 and allies in Canada

00:07:47.120 and the non-Jewish 0.98

00:07:47.920 community

00:07:48.360 those in government

00:07:49.380 do so as well

00:07:50.320 we have no choice

00:07:52.480 we don't have the luxury

00:07:54.220 to stay silent

00:07:55.260 end quote

00:07:56.460 so that's the moment

00:07:58.440 we are at

00:07:59.220 do nothing

00:08:00.540 say nothing

00:08:01.680 let it all keep happening

00:08:03.440 or speak up

00:08:05.160 fight back

00:08:06.660 it's your choice

00:08:08.520 your moment

00:08:09.920 decide

00:08:11.280 well I never see the sights

00:08:20.440 whenever I'm with you

00:08:23.800 cause you drag me 1.00

00:08:26.160 through the crowds

00:08:27.040 all over the town

00:08:28.560 it's never just with you

00:08:30.700 well I never sleep at all

00:08:34.100 my eyes are open wide

00:08:37.660 cause you dragged me 0.57

00:08:39.920 through the crowds

00:08:40.800 all over the town

00:08:42.280 and tossed me to the side

00:08:44.380 I see them all

00:08:48.540 it's not for you

00:08:51.860 but when you call

00:08:55.500 what can I do

00:08:59.360 bein' dragged

00:09:01.340 bein' dragged

00:09:01.620 all over town

00:09:03.180 bein' dragged

00:09:05.040 what can I do

00:09:06.620 bein' dragged

00:09:08.540 all over town

00:09:09.800 for you

00:09:10.960 now we're really

00:09:14.280 going far

00:09:15.240 yeah we're crossing

00:09:17.660 county lines

00:09:19.080 cause you're done

00:09:21.200 with the crowds

00:09:22.100 and you're over that town

00:09:23.500 so we're flying

00:09:24.500 by the signs

00:09:25.940 you've seen it all

00:09:29.900 and he's sung

00:09:31.540 with you

00:09:33.140 so when you call

00:09:36.640 what can I do

00:09:40.440 bein' dragged

00:09:42.880 all over town

00:09:44.400 bein' dragged

00:09:46.320 what can I do

00:09:48.140 bein' dragged

00:09:49.780 all over town

00:09:51.040 for you

00:09:52.180 all over town

00:09:54.480 for you

00:09:55.180 we've seen it all

00:10:11.460 because of you

00:10:14.720 so when you call

00:10:18.420 of course I do

00:10:21.840 bein' dragged

00:10:24.320 all over town

00:10:25.920 bein' dragged

00:10:27.840 what can I do

00:10:29.520 bein' dragged

00:10:30.580 bein' dragged

00:10:31.200 all over town

00:10:32.520 for you

00:10:33.860 all over town

00:10:35.960 for you

00:10:37.320 all over town

00:10:39.400 for you

00:10:40.580 all over town

00:10:42.840 for you

00:10:43.960 and we're back and i am at my cabin somewhere in northern ontario and i'm looking out at 0.53

00:10:57.100 at least a couple feet of snow and a frozen lake and it is goddamn cold out there

00:11:03.580 and but brian lily is presently somewhere else where are you brian lily i i am where i spent

00:11:11.760 christmas the last several years at my in-laws place in beautiful palm springs california i'm

00:11:18.160 sitting outside on the deck watching the sun come up over the horizon i'm wearing a pair of shorts 1.00

00:11:24.540 a t-shirt a light hoodie and my fuzzy slippers you're a bastard you know 0.99

00:11:30.720 how are things in gavin newsom's kingdom is he going to be president of the united states 0.99

00:11:37.540 uh i think if he ran last time he would have been yeah or could have could have been could

00:11:44.220 have been he would have done uh well i mean it was tight enough that anybody did better than

00:11:49.300 kamala than they could have won at least on the national vote who knows how the swing states

00:11:54.240 would go but he he would have been a much better choice and i think i said that to you at the time

00:11:58.660 that you did it as much as uh you know he gets a lot of bad press and he has a lot of positives and

00:12:06.820 a lot of negatives i thought he would have been the better option for them because his appeal to

00:12:12.740 independence and moderate republicans was a lot stronger anyway um but after the fires and after a

00:12:21.300 couple of other things i think it becomes tougher for him and then but we'll see but he's bringing the

00:12:27.860 fight to trump isn't he i mean trump is ending the year rather badly and not because he was a piece 0.98

00:12:33.620 of shit about rob reiner or he's disappearing epstein files it's just he's had a bad time he's 0.99

00:12:40.420 pretty unpopular now not just because of dick gavin newsom isn't he yeah look i didn't like his 0.99

00:12:46.260 post about rob reiner but rob reiner is also a guy that posted after the uh uh the bullet struck 0.93

00:12:52.420 trump's ear that oh hopefully next time he doesn't turn his head or something of that effect i mean

00:12:56.980 these guys they were over the top about each other and i just hate that stuff um i don't like it with 0.54

00:13:05.140 anybody uh you know people are people is uh the wise philosophers known as depeche mode said

00:13:14.900 so trump you know i i kept hearing that is um uh he had the lowest approval ratings and so i did what i

00:13:24.820 always look to the data and pulled up the uh real clear politics uh polling average and how how is he

00:13:33.300 doing and it's wild like right now he is at a 43.3 approval rating 53.6 disapproved that's the the average

00:13:47.780 and it ranges from polls saying he's at 39 to polls saying he's at uh 47 or 45 and these are reputable

00:13:59.380 pollsters like harvard harris saying he's at 47 approval um he's a a bit below a first year president

00:14:10.180 but in the range that presidents tend to sit at over the last 20 years obama was the last president to have

00:14:16.740 an approval rating above 50 and that was only in his first year before that it was george bush in 2003

00:14:23.460 and mostly presidents are in the if they're doing well they're at like 46 approval and if they're doing

00:14:28.980 badly uh they're at 40 and if they're in the normal range it's like 43 to 44. well you have much more

00:14:36.900 you have much more faith in pollsters than i do i just uh i i truly believe they are snapshots i think 0.99

00:14:43.780 what matters is elections and he his party got their asses kicked asses kicked in the midterms 0.96

00:14:50.500 in the special elections and that's when the special elections and um my worry is that canadians put too 0.98

00:14:58.260 much faith in that the republicans are going to do badly in the midterms as a way to get rid of the 0.88

00:15:04.500 tariffs um i don't think that's a good strategy on our part one keeps the tariffs around a lot longer

00:15:10.820 because do we have a strategy just out of curiosity okay just checking no we don't but um one i don't

00:15:18.740 think free trade deal with canada is going to be popular with either party in the midterms secondly a

00:15:25.380 bunch of the stuff that trump has done economically is going to kick in in the new year and you're seeing

00:15:32.260 that on uh year-end stories down here like no tax on tips kicks in next year a general tax cut kicks in

00:15:39.300 next year um no tax on overtime kicks in next year so all these things that he promised hasn't

00:15:46.820 delivered on yet he'll deliver on and when people have more money in their pockets they're happier um

00:15:53.540 so and i i i've also just learned over the last year in canadian politics things change man yep they

00:16:01.700 sure do well let's talk about canadian politics so as the year ends it sure is a bit different than it

00:16:07.700 was exactly a year ago um justin trudeau was was prime minister still and pierre polyev was going

00:16:15.700 to be prime minister and nearly you know 25 close to 30 points ahead according to some pollsters

00:16:22.820 and it looked like it was just set in stone and that's the way it was and then look what happened

00:16:27.620 so what do you think about the year that our leaders have had from carney to trudeau to polyev to

00:16:33.620 jagmeet singh uh what's your take on on how everybody did and what do you think uh what are

00:16:39.860 what are we going to see in the new year well i i mean i think people forget that you and i a year ago

00:16:46.660 did a whole episode on how within months justin trudeau would be dating katie perry they forget that

00:16:54.740 what do i think i think that um voters are fickle polls can change campaigns matter tm tm um yeah

00:17:04.900 you got sick of hearing that from me uh but i was sitting on the same patio last january 6th

00:17:12.820 talking to you and adrian batra when the news hit that the trudeau had resigned and we did a

00:17:20.020 quick batter's burning questions video and one of you asked like what does this mean and i said

00:17:27.860 well the liberals can win now and i think you almost fell off your chair yeah i thought you were

00:17:31.540 on crack actually but uh you were right it it's harder to get down here than on the streets of

00:17:37.780 toronto so i don't do it while i'm down here uh the um you know so my message to liberals this year is

00:17:47.780 um don't be so smug you got a couple of floor crossers and they're all like yeah we're going 1.00

00:17:52.500 to get a majority we're going to easy streets like well things can change i i did my year-end

00:18:00.500 interview with pier poliev at post media tell us about that so is he loosened up so he still got

00:18:06.820 starch in his boxers he loosened up a bit my first question to him was um did did you see any of this

00:18:15.940 last year coming which made him laugh um wasn't sure how we would take that but i mean we did a

00:18:23.940 year under last year when it looked certain that he was going to be prime minister

00:18:27.540 mm-hmm and um so he didn't slug you he didn't punch you but he's he's got to be disappointed i mean

00:18:35.940 you're i mean you've been writing about it extensively um the natives are restless within his party

00:18:43.060 his caucus there's some unhappiness um he's got a leadership review coming up in a few weeks

00:18:50.260 what do you think the future holds for pier polio

00:18:54.660 well we talked about that and i asked him if he could uh if if he felt he could stay on his leader

00:19:01.700 if he has more infections and he said that'll be up to the members uh and that it's not the people who

00:19:08.340 make background deals that decide who's leader it's uh you know the the party membership and then

00:19:13.860 and then made his pitch to them um but you know the the interview just went live it's on youtube i'll

00:19:20.660 be sharing it all over socials this morning uh he um you know we talked for close to 10 minutes about

00:19:29.860 that and then spent about 25 minutes talking about other stuff but we we focused in on the leadership

00:19:35.540 stuff at the start and he feels that he uh has the uh ability to stay on that you know they did raise

00:19:44.180 the number of votes he has the second as as a party leader they got the second most votes of any party

00:19:52.900 in canadian history yeah whatever they still lost the election he still lost his seat what do you think

00:19:58.740 is the guy who got the most is the guy in the aisle he's the prime minister and we'll dissect him in a

00:20:04.980 minute what do you think is going to happen in that leadership review to polio i think he's going to

00:20:10.420 go through it but i don't think it means his troubles are over what's your type definitely not definitely

00:20:16.500 not um if he gets another couple of floor crosses then i think he has real trouble at the leadership

00:20:23.860 review like if carney gets his majority i think he's got trouble staying on i know he says he can

00:20:31.060 um and that he's united on the issues and look there's a solid argument there they lost the

00:20:37.060 election they're winning on a lot of the issues as carney steals some but not all of his ideas or

00:20:42.340 implement some of them halfway but that doesn't mean you get to stay on as leaders so no more

00:20:50.500 floor crossers he passes the leadership review with flying colors i think if there's more floor

00:20:57.300 crossers he's going to have trouble but regardless if he survives it um you know that conservatives

00:21:04.660 adopted the reform act and tell people what that is in case they forgot that allows the party to

00:21:14.100 caucus members to house the leader in a vote and that's what happened to erin o'toole 1.00

00:21:19.780 and a lot of the people who were around uh were key organizers for paulia were key people that got

00:21:26.740 rid of the tool what's good for the goose is good for the gander all right so let's talk about the

00:21:32.500 beneficiary of all this and i think because he is going to get his two floor crossers at least i've

00:21:37.940 been told that they've got them in in the bag already and just waiting trying to figure out when

00:21:42.420 they're going to deploy them uh mark carney um mark carney was not prime minister wasn't even an elected

00:21:49.460 politician a year ago and um was part of an awkward and messy uh divorce between justin trudeau and

00:21:59.620 christopher freeland looked like he was the guy that trudeau wanted to bring in luckily for carney he didn't

00:22:06.660 come in at that point um i gotta say for a guy who you know notwithstanding the fact he doesn't have

00:22:13.140 a trade deal notwithstanding this that and the other thing for a guy's never been politics before

00:22:19.220 he's been pretty impressive at politics i did not think he had this in him what do you think

00:22:25.780 he's been good at the politics he hasn't been good at the policy um and i was hoping he'd be good at the

00:22:31.620 policy because the last guy was really good at politicking and hated governing um i don't think

00:22:37.700 that carney hates governing but for people that never realized it justin trudeau just like the

00:22:42.820 trappings of office he liked the pomp the circumstance the car the driver the house the adulation all of

00:22:50.580 that what he didn't like was actually doing stuff i think carney likes to do stuff but he just hasn't

00:22:57.220 figured out how yet he hasn't figured out how government works and neither of the people he

00:23:03.140 surrounded himself with they're trying but they're not there but the campaigning stuff you know you and

00:23:10.100 i thought he was more wooden than pierre pauliev and in some ways he is but he made it work for adapted

00:23:17.140 he adapted so quickly um he's doing okay in the house it's you know things like constantly

00:23:26.820 overhyping expectations uh you know he's doing his year-enders and saying well you know trade

00:23:32.420 deal was imminent with donald trump until doug ford's ad well we didn't hear that at the time mark

00:23:38.740 uh but we have heard plenty of times since late may that a trade deal is imminent it's just around the

00:23:45.460 corner and then nothing happens and you know he's done that on many issues where they overhype and

00:23:52.020 under deliver which is the reverse of political success so i don't believe him that he was close

00:23:58.020 plus the reporting was that it would be a tariff rate quota deal on steel which means we would be

00:24:05.060 allowed to export a certain amount of steel to the united states um at a 10 to 15 percent tariff and

00:24:12.100 anything above that would be 50 percent tariff um not exactly the elbows up deal that that he promised

00:24:19.860 sure likely it's likely where we're headed with any trade deal but not what he promised well you're

00:24:25.700 just giving him lots of cool you got to give him you and i both said the liberal party needed to move

00:24:30.500 back to the center he's done that hasn't he to a degree he goes part way like pierre pauliev keeps

00:24:39.140 saying steal my ideas and he does to a degree so he put bail reform on and like this this terror bus that

00:24:47.140 we saw in toronto this week the guy was out on bail for kidnapping and weapons charges that were laid

00:24:53.540 against him while he was on probation for other violent offenses that the police haven't specified

00:24:58.820 and now he's picked up on you know being a member of isis and one of his um co-conspirators is out on

00:25:04.740 bail already it's disgusting we need that bail reform and they promised it and then they took months to

00:25:10.980 deliver then they delivered it in october and then sent it to committee and haven't even called it

00:25:16.900 it's the liberals that chair that committee and get to call it so not even calling their own bill on

00:25:21.780 something that most canadians are getting really frustrated with no look look i give them kudos on

00:25:27.060 like getting rid of the consumer carbon tax that was smart politics i also think good policy some people

00:25:32.820 would argue but it's definitely good politics capital gains tax cut uh reversing the capital gains

00:25:39.300 and but then there's other you know true policies that he could have just walked away from and hasn't

00:25:47.220 um like the digital services tax um trump forced them to get rid of that we got nothing for it um that

00:25:55.060 was a really bad tax that you know didn't matter who was in the white house that was going to cause

00:25:59.460 us heartburn agreed uh because the the debt like i think it was this last week the uh uh it was a group of

00:26:08.660 republicans and democrats writing to canada together on a bunch of our online stuff they're really united

00:26:16.980 against us on some of the things we're doing like the online streaming act we're trying to use that to

00:26:21.940 make uh amazon prime pay into a fund that will pay for local tv news as if these guys are the broadcasters

00:26:30.340 like ctv of 50 years ago um these are bad trudeau era policies that he could get rid of the mou with 1.00

00:26:38.500 alberta i thought was really good i don't think we should need those things but you know if he's not

00:26:45.140 going to dump all of trudeau's policies at least he's saying okay we're going to exempt some projects

00:26:50.740 from them and that's a good idea but he he still hasn't delivered on on the big things that he's promised

00:26:57.940 and at a certain point he's going to have to final question who's the year's big political winner and

00:27:04.740 who is the big political loser well carny's obviously a big political winner because he's in the big chair

00:27:11.220 yeah um and the biggest political loser is a guy who's uh out doing mma fights and uh gets to spend

00:27:19.780 more time playing video games than uh than he did when he was leader of the ndp uh jack meet saying

00:27:25.620 decimated his own party uh you couldn't have done a better job if that was your your goal and i don't

00:27:31.940 think it was his goal uh i don't know if you saw the reports on their um campaign uh um autopsy

00:27:44.020 but one of the lines was that too many of the members of the ndp are allergic to fundraising

00:27:49.940 yeah and he was one of them well it's been quite a year man um lots ups and downs proverbial roller

00:27:58.820 coaster but it's been lots of fun for guys like you and me who get uh the privilege of commenting

00:28:04.100 on it so it's been a privilege having you on the show this year hopefully you're going to be back next

00:28:08.900 year um i will just don't get a bad sunburn down there i know you're celtic you're you got a celtic

00:28:15.220 countenance like me it you know i don't think i'm gonna have great weather while i'm here but i

00:28:20.340 will say that the you know the sky is lit now it's uh yeah sun's coming up it's been beautiful to watch 0.98

00:28:27.700 as we chatted damn you damn you well you enjoy every minute of it merry christmas and happy hanukkah 0.98

00:28:34.740 and everything else um have a wonderful time with family down there and maybe we'll talk next week 0.99

00:28:41.700 maybe we'll take a break but in the meantime thank you well merry christmas and happy hanukkah

00:28:46.980 it is the it's the last day it's the eighth day today like the menorah like the candles up all of them

00:28:52.900 thanks man talk soon

00:29:10.820 straight out of texas down around san antona

00:29:14.180 is 0.99

00:29:25.460 don't let me hear that sweet kid's name get your hands on me and i'll drive you insane so 1.00

00:29:32.500 tear me apart if you want to win my heart 0.98

00:29:39.780 well i've been singing in the back of a limousine

00:29:47.060 well i may not hold it but it's bigger than you've ever seen

00:29:51.380 you've been singing in the back of a limousine

00:29:56.660 and you'll run around and think she's a star if you please she's a tease 1.00

00:30:00.020 you won't get far so tear me apart if you want to win my heart

00:30:08.900 i'll make you let me start shaking every time you hear my name

00:30:13.380 it will be so heartbreaking and you know you'll never be the same

00:30:24.660 come talk to me if i lose the yellow suit

00:30:27.540 cause she can't do the things that i can't do so 0.99

00:30:31.700 tear me apart if you want to win my heart

00:30:36.660 oh

00:31:06.660 I'm gonna say goodbye to the nights of San Antonio

00:31:12.420 I'm back in Hollywood, I ain't there

00:31:17.920 I'm gonna make my home

00:31:19.780 Now I don't even understand what they think they've seen

00:31:26.000 Cause I ain't seen nothing like the Texas cream

00:31:29.660 So tear me apart if you wanna win my heart

00:31:34.000 Tear me apart if you wanna win my heart

00:31:37.620 Tear me apart if you wanna win my heart

00:31:41.280 Tear me apart if you wanna win my heart

00:31:44.880 Tear me apart if you wanna win my heart

00:31:48.560 Tear me apart if you wanna win my heart

00:31:50.820 And we're back, we're back with our friend Karina Sud

00:31:52.960 And Karina is up in Ottawa. Is it cold? Is it freezing?

00:31:57.620 I'm still en route, so TBD, but I'm hoping not.

00:32:01.880 I'm hoping not.

00:32:04.500 Yeah, it's the Ottawa Valley, it's always cold

00:32:06.600 It's always, everybody's miserable there

00:32:08.420 But I saw you with somebody who didn't look miserable

00:32:11.440 I saw you on my device this week

00:32:15.140 Talking to this Pierre Polyev guy

00:32:17.940 And he was smiling and laughing

00:32:19.740 And so were you

00:32:20.720 And so we're all kind of dying to know

00:32:24.340 What were the circumstances

00:32:25.960 And what were you guys talking about?

00:32:27.620 Well, the circumstances, that was a community menorah lighting

00:32:34.140 At Shabbat Flamingo in Thornhill

00:32:36.960 And Pierre Polyev was there to give a speech

00:32:41.340 He lit one of the candles

00:32:43.160 And then, as usual, at all of his events

00:32:46.340 He has the opportunity for people to line up for a photo

00:32:50.440 So I was more preoccupied initially

00:32:54.440 But as the line sort of thinned down

00:32:56.960 I said, why not? What's the hey?

00:32:58.980 And I guess he recognized me

00:33:02.080 Which is a surprise

00:33:03.480 That was our first time really interacting

00:33:06.460 And as to what we discussed

00:33:09.860 I gave him a little bit of an overview

00:33:12.820 Of the work that I do

00:33:14.320 You know, some of the clips that have circulated

00:33:20.400 From my first week

00:33:23.020 Have been talking points in Canadian discourse

00:33:26.560 So we tackled that

00:33:28.520 And I shared some general observations

00:33:31.640 About the protest circuit

00:33:33.900 And what it is that is fueling

00:33:36.540 The unrest on the streets

00:33:39.400 And ways that perhaps

00:33:41.720 Law enforcement can

00:33:44.260 More effectively respond to

00:33:48.120 Elements of that unrest

00:33:50.660 That are disturbing public order

00:33:53.280 Because there is a distinction in my mind

00:33:55.440 Between peaceful protests

00:33:57.300 Lawful assembly

00:33:58.300 Even disruptive protests

00:34:00.320 And harassment and intimidation

00:34:02.580 So we'll talk about that in a minute

00:34:04.040 But I want to stay with Pahlia for a second 1.00

00:34:06.060 Because, I mean, you know

00:34:08.240 Not so long ago

00:34:10.000 He and his party gave you the bums rush 1.00

00:34:13.520 You and your videographer

00:34:14.580 And they moved you guys out of their event

00:34:17.320 And they weren't very nice at all

00:34:18.840 And now there's been a real change

00:34:21.880 Is that because of you

00:34:23.620 Or is it because of him?

00:34:24.700 My view is it's both

00:34:26.400 You have become a real player

00:34:28.700 In journalism in Canada and elsewhere

00:34:32.000 But also he's recognized

00:34:34.060 That he needs to take a different approach

00:34:36.100 To people like you and I

00:34:37.560 And be a bit friendlier

00:34:39.400 A bit kinder and gentler than he's been

00:34:41.520 What's your take?

00:34:43.100 So that did actually come up

00:34:44.600 And I will give credit to my audience

00:34:47.500 It wasn't anything that I did

00:34:49.940 And it was Pierre's team

00:34:52.360 That reacted to a public outrage

00:34:56.080 This was back in 2023

00:34:57.460 Where I was arbitrarily barred

00:34:59.980 From a couple events

00:35:01.520 That I had properly signed up for

00:35:03.460 And people didn't like that

00:35:05.600 They felt that it demonstrated

00:35:07.900 A lack of transparency

00:35:09.040 And to his credit

00:35:10.960 Pierre and the team

00:35:13.160 Reacted accordingly

00:35:15.360 And I've not had any issues

00:35:17.120 Getting in since then

00:35:18.580 Ironically

00:35:20.320 I have had issues

00:35:22.100 With now Prime Minister

00:35:24.960 Mark Carney's event

00:35:25.880 Isn't that interesting?

00:35:28.800 The world is a funny place

00:35:30.660 So I think maybe

00:35:32.020 I'm an acquired taste

00:35:33.220 And that's okay

00:35:35.600 But whenever I attend events

00:35:37.880 It's not for the purpose

00:35:38.940 Of causing any sort of disturbance

00:35:41.200 I'm really there just to

00:35:42.860 Observe and record

00:35:44.200 And if there's food

00:35:45.000 I will eat

00:35:45.580 So, you know

00:35:48.100 And I opened the door

00:35:53.140 For the possibility

00:35:54.020 Of eventually being let back in

00:35:57.180 To all liberal events

00:35:59.200 But we'll see

00:35:59.760 Well, we'll talk about Mark Carney

00:36:01.340 In a minute

00:36:01.800 But I mean

00:36:02.700 As the year

00:36:03.480 The political year ends

00:36:05.400 Pierre Paliyev's situation

00:36:07.780 Is quite dramatically different

00:36:09.580 Than it was

00:36:10.420 Isn't it?

00:36:10.820 I mean, a year ago

00:36:12.140 I think you and I

00:36:14.180 Were talking in a different context

00:36:15.680 But Justin Trudeau

00:36:17.160 Was Prime Minister

00:36:17.980 And he was

00:36:19.020 Being clobbered in the polls

00:36:20.740 And Pierre Paliyev

00:36:22.260 Was going to be Prime Minister

00:36:23.820 It just

00:36:25.260 It was an inevitability

00:36:26.540 And look at us now

00:36:27.560 Things are quite

00:36:28.780 Dramatically changed

00:36:29.780 What's your take on the year?

00:36:31.480 My sense is

00:36:32.380 One of the reasons

00:36:33.140 Why Paliyev lost

00:36:34.300 Is he lost people like you

00:36:35.680 You know

00:36:37.700 Women with 1.00

00:36:39.120 An academic background

00:36:41.140 Who kind of understand

00:36:43.540 How Canada is

00:36:45.300 Not how Canada

00:36:46.500 Doesn't

00:36:47.640 Don't necessarily want

00:36:49.000 Canada as it was

00:36:50.120 Want Canada to be

00:36:51.480 You know

00:36:51.960 A newer and better place

00:36:53.260 He lost your vote

00:36:55.040 He lost your constituency

00:36:56.760 That was a big reason

00:36:58.240 Why he lost

00:36:58.940 What's your take on that?

00:37:01.000 I don't know

00:37:01.660 That that's the case

00:37:02.800 I think

00:37:03.720 You know

00:37:04.460 Justin Trudeau's

00:37:06.080 Resignation

00:37:06.920 And sort of

00:37:08.800 The proroguing

00:37:10.180 Of Parliament

00:37:11.440 The total

00:37:13.420 And utter collapse

00:37:14.480 Of the NDP

00:37:15.380 And the media reaction

00:37:18.340 Like the

00:37:19.000 Overall legacy media

00:37:21.920 Reacting to

00:37:23.400 Mark Carney

00:37:24.220 And you know

00:37:25.600 The way that

00:37:26.260 He was framed

00:37:26.880 I think all of that

00:37:27.980 So those factors

00:37:29.800 Played in

00:37:30.700 So was it

00:37:31.940 Entirely a rejection

00:37:33.440 Of peer

00:37:34.300 For some people

00:37:35.680 Yes I think

00:37:36.820 Indisputable 0.99

00:37:38.120 And they're very vocal

00:37:39.340 About that

00:37:40.240 But I also think

00:37:43.000 That it happened

00:37:43.680 In a broader context

00:37:45.740 And had he been

00:37:47.180 Running against

00:37:48.040 We likely would have

00:37:50.240 Seen a different outcome

00:37:51.380 But you know

00:37:53.620 To borrow a phrase

00:37:56.300 Or maybe

00:37:58.400 Interpret a phrase

00:38:00.580 That I saw

00:38:01.520 At Pride

00:38:02.740 From the Liberal

00:38:03.800 Contingent

00:38:04.760 You know

00:38:05.780 Canada wanted a daddy

00:38:06.960 And found that

00:38:08.240 In Mark Carney

00:38:09.540 And so

00:38:11.080 It's

00:38:11.600 That's how it played out

00:38:13.480 Mind you

00:38:14.060 He did lose

00:38:14.600 His own writing

00:38:15.500 So there's something

00:38:17.120 To be said there

00:38:18.760 As well

00:38:19.340 It's not all

00:38:20.340 Sunshine and roses

00:38:21.320 No

00:38:21.920 But yeah

00:38:23.660 How do you think

00:38:24.920 Carney's doing

00:38:25.620 How do you think

00:38:26.760 Carney's doing

00:38:27.360 I think

00:38:31.540 That

00:38:32.340 Their

00:38:34.600 Approach

00:38:36.140 And particularly

00:38:37.260 In dealing

00:38:38.080 With the US 0.98

00:38:39.100 Has

00:38:40.500 He's been playing

00:38:42.440 Domestic 0.64

00:38:43.240 Politics

00:38:44.100 With an international 0.72

00:38:45.320 Issue

00:38:46.020 And to my observation

00:38:48.500 Worsening

00:38:50.920 Our relationship

00:38:52.020 With the state

00:38:52.820 And so

00:38:54.860 I'm not a fan

00:38:55.900 Of that

00:38:56.380 I'm not a fan

00:38:57.800 Of some of the

00:38:58.940 Legislation

00:38:59.640 That has been

00:39:00.360 Proposed

00:39:01.120 You know

00:39:02.500 It's

00:39:03.100 It is a little bit

00:39:05.020 Hard to gauge

00:39:06.060 Because

00:39:06.920 Of the corporate

00:39:09.700 Speak

00:39:10.120 So I don't

00:39:11.780 Really know

00:39:12.340 And I don't

00:39:13.460 Really know

00:39:13.940 What parts

00:39:14.480 To take at

00:39:15.020 Face value

00:39:15.620 Or not

00:39:16.660 So I guess

00:39:17.260 I'll reserve

00:39:17.840 Judgment

00:39:18.360 But you know

00:39:19.980 In the

00:39:20.820 There's been a lot

00:39:21.880 Of international

00:39:22.560 Trips

00:39:22.960 I don't know

00:39:23.380 That my life

00:39:24.200 Has improved

00:39:26.240 In any measurable

00:39:27.080 Way

00:39:27.560 Since the election

00:39:28.660 Final question

00:39:30.420 Before you head off

00:39:31.520 To see a documentary

00:39:33.120 That you're in

00:39:34.240 Not my documentary

00:39:35.740 Which you're also in

00:39:36.920 Is 0.88

00:39:38.800 The protest circuit

00:39:41.080 Which you are

00:39:41.880 Expert in

00:39:42.640 I know you more

00:39:43.300 About it

00:39:43.700 Than I think

00:39:44.120 Just about anybody

00:39:44.800 In the world

00:39:45.380 Who doesn't

00:39:46.200 Work for an 0.99

00:39:46.640 Intelligence agency

00:39:47.740 Yet again

00:39:49.740 The

00:39:50.700 Same crew

00:39:52.640 Were at it

00:39:53.440 Protesting

00:39:55.060 Against

00:39:55.660 Indigo

00:39:56.280 Bookstores

00:39:57.220 It seems

00:39:59.560 To me

00:39:59.860 The main

00:40:00.200 Reason

00:40:00.480 They're doing

00:40:00.840 That is

00:40:01.240 Because

00:40:01.680 Those bookstores

00:40:02.680 Are owned

00:40:03.000 By a Jew

00:40:03.520 Heather

00:40:04.920 Reisman

00:40:05.480 And I

00:40:07.060 Don't understand

00:40:08.240 Any other

00:40:08.800 Purpose

00:40:09.240 For doing

00:40:09.700 That

00:40:09.960 What

00:40:10.600 What did

00:40:11.460 What did

00:40:11.480 You see

00:40:12.040 In the

00:40:12.440 Protests

00:40:13.020 That they

00:40:13.420 Had this

00:40:13.940 Week

00:40:14.280 In different

00:40:15.400 Places

00:40:15.780 In Canada

00:40:16.440 There was

00:40:18.240 A national

00:40:18.780 Day of

00:40:19.560 Action

00:40:19.960 Against

00:40:20.360 Indigo

00:40:21.160 Books

00:40:21.460 I think

00:40:22.860 I saw

00:40:24.220 Reported

00:40:24.700 30 locations

00:40:25.880 Across Canada

00:40:26.740 So the

00:40:28.680 Footage on

00:40:29.240 My feed

00:40:29.740 Comes from

00:40:30.500 Bay and

00:40:30.980 Bloor

00:40:31.360 Where as

00:40:32.820 You note

00:40:33.260 Sort of a

00:40:34.140 Familiar

00:40:34.720 Group of

00:40:35.960 Faces

00:40:36.400 Were outside

00:40:37.600 And it

00:40:38.820 Was a

00:40:39.080 Mixed

00:40:39.360 Demonstration

00:40:40.040 There were

00:40:40.860 Elements

00:40:41.320 Of it

00:40:41.660 That were

00:40:42.260 You know

00:40:43.480 Speeches

00:40:44.540 Explaining

00:40:45.440 Their reasoning

00:40:45.980 For being

00:40:46.480 There

00:40:46.840 Which relates

00:40:47.680 To

00:40:48.200 Heather

00:40:48.940 Reisman

00:40:49.500 Involvement

00:40:50.400 In the

00:40:50.760 Hesig

00:40:51.080 Foundation

00:40:51.640 Which provides

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00:47:38.620 We'll be right back.

00:48:08.620 We'll be right back.

00:48:10.620 There was a story that bubbled up to the surface that we carried over the finish line and about 15 people who were given their walking papers a week before Christmas.

00:48:23.180 And because of the attention that we brought to the story, they were able to keep their jobs.

00:48:27.920 And so very, very happy with that.

00:48:29.620 But if we look at the flip side, we look at the other side of this, A&W restaurants in Quebec are saying that they're going to have to close because Quebecers don't want to work in fast food.

00:48:38.220 And what do you make of that?

00:48:40.080 We'll start with you, Warren.

00:48:40.900 Well, I'm not sure.

00:48:43.520 I used to work in fast food.

00:48:45.380 I worked at McDonald's and then I didn't eat at McDonald's for 25 years.

00:48:50.120 So, you know, I mean, they're not, they're tough jobs.

00:48:54.960 You know, I clean toilets at McDonald's, if you guys can picture that.

00:48:58.600 Actually, you probably can.

00:49:00.400 And it's true. 0.56

00:49:02.440 Not a lot of people want to take those jobs for minimum wage and working very hard.

00:49:06.660 And temporary foreign workers have.

00:49:12.220 And, you know, all of us know people who own restaurants and or run restaurants and places like that.

00:49:17.480 And they're all saying they're having a really tough time.

00:49:20.080 And some of them, sometimes they're having to close down early because they don't have anybody to fill those shifts.

00:49:26.180 You know, a lot of Canadians don't want to take those jobs.

00:49:29.800 And the temporary foreign workers do. 0.97

00:49:32.060 So that's why I've been surprised by what Paulie has been saying about the program, about cancelling it entirely.

00:49:41.200 You know, I guess that that's appealing to the base, but it may not be helping a lot of these companies who rely on those workers.

00:49:50.340 I don't know what the solution is, but obviously we've got a problem.

00:49:54.140 Chris Chapin, I don't know who to believe.

00:49:55.760 When A&W says they can't find anybody in Quebec, Quebecers to work at their restaurants. 0.96

00:50:02.060 There's a part of me that just it just it doesn't resonate as it doesn't ring as entirely true.

00:50:07.440 I have no basis, in fact, to say that it just feels that like there of course there would be people in Quebec who would want a job.

00:50:15.520 Any job is a good job.

00:50:17.280 Entry entry level jobs for kids in high school and early in college.

00:50:21.360 Why wouldn't they want to work there?

00:50:22.660 I'm there's there's a disconnect for me.

00:50:26.120 I you know, it's from the conversations I've had, Ben, I think that the sad part is kids don't seem to want to take these jobs anymore.

00:50:33.920 Like these used to be the entry level job for every kid.

00:50:36.100 You'd work at a McDonald's.

00:50:36.940 You'd work at A&W.

00:50:38.040 You'd make minimum wage.

00:50:39.260 But that was fine because you didn't have expenses.

00:50:41.140 There's a there's a huge disconnect we have in this country with young kids that don't want to take those jobs, whether, you know, they think they're below them or they're making money being a, you know, an influencer on their phone.

00:50:53.600 But then on the flip side, the other people that used to use those jobs, it's just that the cost of living in this country has gotten so high that you can't afford to work full time at a McDonald's and live in Canada.

00:51:06.900 It just it won't put food on your table.

00:51:09.160 It won't pay rent.

00:51:10.340 I was talking to a good friend of mine who owns a restaurant up north of the city, and he was he was joking and kind of lamenting about the fact that once upon a time he was a top chef at a restaurant.

00:51:20.080 And he said, there's no way I'd go back to that lifestyle.

00:51:22.660 They were paying me thirty five thousand dollars to be the sous chef at one of the nicest restaurants in the city.

00:51:27.620 He's like, I couldn't live off that wage.

00:51:29.220 He's like, but that's the challenge restaurants face.

00:51:31.380 That's the challenge places like A&W faces what they can afford to pay them and then what they can afford to sell you the food at.

00:51:39.100 It just you know, it's it's a you know, we're hitting obstacles here.

00:51:44.200 All right.

00:51:44.320 Well, I want to spend a little bit of time talking about everybody's favorite floor crosser, Michael Ma. 0.58

00:51:48.320 He went from he went from being a conservative one day to a liberal the next.

00:51:53.380 And as I love saying that he got a standing ovation among in the liberal caucus as the only liberal who voted against the budget.

00:52:00.960 So that I find that to be just it's very twenty twenty five.

00:52:05.800 Let's listen to Michael Ma in his own words, because he was on CP24 yesterday talking about this very difficult decision he made.

00:52:13.360 This is a decisive moment for Canadian economy and in the nation as a whole.

00:52:21.100 And the night I attended the Conservative Party, I was truly a conservative member and an MP.

00:52:28.700 I have not made a decision at that point.

00:52:31.020 And so it wasn't until I had the opportunity to confirm my understanding of Prime Minister Carney's approach and his vision for Canada.

00:52:43.200 Of course, up to that point, I have reflected on a lot of the comments, as I said, from the people I have talked to in Markham Unionville and Canadians at large.

00:52:52.760 See, I think this explanation, Warren, makes things worse.

00:52:56.280 Firstly, it demonstrates that he was in his mind a conservative on one day and the next day became a liberal.

00:53:03.240 There was no political conversion.

00:53:05.260 There was no thought that went into it.

00:53:07.280 Perhaps my values have changed.

00:53:09.280 Perhaps I'm jaded by the political party and now I'm looking at this other party in a new light that none of that happened.

00:53:14.520 This was an immediate I'm a conservative one day, a liberal the next.

00:53:17.460 Also, because of that short time frame, his justification and explanation that he spoke with people doesn't make any sense.

00:53:26.660 Why would you be speaking with people if you were firmly a conservative on one day?

00:53:29.700 Doesn't make any sense.

00:53:30.800 So I wonder what you think.

00:53:33.120 Yeah, no, I agree.

00:53:35.160 I could see people in PMO kind of reaching for a button when he was on the radio to try and get him to stop talking because he's just making it worse.

00:53:43.960 So, like, I'm torn on this.

00:53:46.280 On the one hand, I'm extremely amused by the angst that conservatives are experiencing over this nobody that nobody could pick out of a police lineup before this week.

00:53:56.660 So that's kind of funny.

00:53:58.460 You know, politicians being self-interested stop the presses.

00:54:01.840 But on the other hand, more seriously, I've always felt, you know, for those Tories who became liberals and liberals who become Tories, because they go back and forth and new Democrats are in the on the party as well.

00:54:15.320 You know, people vote not for the person most of the time.

00:54:20.640 They're voting for the party and the party leader.

00:54:23.500 So, you know, I've always believed that if you decide you're going to do that on principle, well, on principle, you need to submit yourself to the people in a by-election and say, do you approve?

00:54:35.120 Yeah.

00:54:35.240 And who knows, maybe they will, but they don't do that and they don't submit themselves to the people to allow them to pass judgment.

00:54:43.580 And that's wrong because the constituents are the boss. 0.99

00:54:46.180 So I think that's what this guy should do.

00:54:48.000 But, of course, that is never going to happen.

00:54:50.340 No, of course not.

00:54:51.200 This is, listen, I just found out there are, there have been over 300 floor crossers since Confederation.

00:54:56.820 So this is, this is a thing that happens, happens a lot, and I don't like it.

00:55:01.240 I was talking with somebody else on another panel earlier this week when I pointed out that the NDP have a policy of not accepting any floor crossers. 0.99

00:55:09.020 And my guest said that would be like me having a policy against dating Taylor Swift.

00:55:13.820 It's just, it's not a, it just wouldn't happen.

00:55:16.280 And I love that.

00:55:17.140 That's the best line of the week so far.

00:55:19.200 But, but this, you know, we're getting into a really tricky territory.

00:55:23.060 And Chris, I'd love for you to start with this.

00:55:24.960 And, of course, we'll have a more fulsome conversation on the other side.

00:55:27.500 But Pierre Polyev is saying that, you know, if gaining a majority after the, after the voters told you that they only trusted you with a minority, he said that's an affront to democracy.

00:55:39.580 And just give me a couple of thoughts real quick, and then we'll talk about it on the other side.

00:55:44.320 I mean, listen, I, it's not, you know, it's politics.

00:55:48.560 I, I wish that was true.

00:55:50.740 But, like, we vote in 338 separate ridings.

00:55:55.060 You know, your local voters send whoever they send.

00:55:57.120 Nobody's voting for a majority.

00:55:58.600 They're voting for who they want to be in office.

00:56:01.720 You know, it's, it's an attempt at trying to spin it.

00:56:04.720 I don't think it's a particularly good one.

00:56:07.120 You know, do I think it's, do I think this is how you should obtain a majority government?

00:56:10.900 Absolutely not.

00:56:11.740 But is there anything wrong with doing what they're doing?

00:56:14.800 No.

00:56:15.160 I mean, get, get tougher control over your caucuses.

00:56:17.720 All right, all right, hold on to that.

00:56:19.300 We're going to talk about that more.

00:56:20.780 We're going to sink our teeth into that when we come back.

00:56:22.940 More with my panel on the Ben Mulroney Show next.

00:56:36.600 Welcome back to the Ben Mulroney Show.

00:56:38.420 And I just checked my Twitter and apparently I've been, I'm being trolled by Warren Kinsellis.

00:56:42.980 Can you show me that mug, please?

00:56:43.980 This is 1983 vintage Aislinn mug, a cartoon of your dad, who he loved.

00:56:54.140 And 1983 Montreal Gazette tea mug.

00:56:59.380 And so I'm toasting your dad and you with this tea.

00:57:03.100 Thank you very much, my friend.

00:57:04.360 Thank you.

00:57:04.740 All right, let's get back to the here and now.

00:57:06.240 And let's get back to the majority government that may happen by way of floor crosser.

00:57:12.480 And I want to humbly submit this counterpoint to you guys after what Chris just said.

00:57:17.420 Yes, I appreciate that.

00:57:18.680 There's no such thing as the Canadian voter that decided that the liberal government would

00:57:24.640 only get a minority.

00:57:26.080 I concede that point.

00:57:27.440 However, if we look back at the last minority government that we had under Justin Trudeau,

00:57:33.360 typically minority governments fall within 18 months, a little more than that sometimes.

00:57:38.320 And he spoke as a point of pride that it was the longest serving minority government in

00:57:43.320 history.

00:57:43.640 And that's because he had the NDP in his back pocket.

00:57:46.880 That was not the will of the people.

00:57:48.980 And I think that was one of the reasons people were upset with that with that man and with

00:57:53.080 that government, because that was not what people gave him.

00:57:57.200 Twice in a row, they gave him a minority.

00:57:58.740 And the second time he decided to govern like he had a majority.

00:58:00.560 So from that perspective, I do think that that this switch over to a majority could rub

00:58:09.320 some people the wrong way.

00:58:10.620 And I understand the justification or the explanation that it could be an affront to

00:58:16.840 democracy, Chris.

00:58:18.980 Yeah, no, I get it, Ben.

00:58:20.540 But I think the difference is where I see it.

00:58:23.500 And I do not want Mark Carney to have a majority government.

00:58:25.900 You know, I'd like to see us go back to the polls and give Pierre a chance to, you know,

00:58:30.420 make up the ground he lost.

00:58:31.880 My concern is when it came to Justin Trudeau, that was not going to happen.

00:58:36.460 There were not conservatives in that caucus that would even entertain the idea of leaving

00:58:40.460 to go join the Liberal caucus and to help Prime Minister Trudeau get closer.

00:58:45.200 He had to find his supply and confidence agreement with the NDP to try to govern.

00:58:50.860 And so I think there's different ways you can go about trying to get that kind of majority

00:58:55.180 control of the legislature.

00:58:57.660 Justin Trudeau took a different path, you know, forming his kind of coalition with Jagmeet

00:59:02.780 Singh.

00:59:03.260 But I think my concern for Pierre Paul, we have in the conservatives right now is how are you

00:59:08.340 losing these guys from caucus?

00:59:09.920 Because it's such a narrow margin between Mark Carney having a minority government and

00:59:15.860 a majority government.

00:59:17.120 And, you know, we've all heard the rumors.

00:59:19.100 It sounds like this aren't the only two, that there might be a couple more that are willing

00:59:22.860 to cross.

00:59:23.400 And I think that's, from my perspective, as somebody who wants to see Pierre Paulie have

00:59:27.640 become the next Prime Minister, is you've got a problem with your caucus.

00:59:31.980 There are people, as the leader, you guys both know this, you sign the nomination papers.

00:59:36.560 Like, these are your candidates.

00:59:37.860 They're your members of Parliament.

00:59:40.680 Figure it out.

00:59:41.740 You know, get control over these guys, because at the end of the day, it's them leaving you

00:59:45.700 that's going to give Mark Carney the next majority.

00:59:48.840 Warren, the final word on this to you.

00:59:50.580 I agree.

00:59:52.820 Everything that my friend Senator Chapin just said, and I suspect Mark Carney does too. 0.98

00:59:59.820 Now, like, you know, sometimes you can't tell, but like, I am a dirty, rotten liberal in 0.98

01:00:05.140 my DNA. 0.99

01:00:06.400 And like all dirty, rotten liberals, I believe the following about politics. 0.99

01:00:11.380 It's all about winning. 1.00

01:00:13.400 Yeah.

01:00:13.820 It's about winning.

01:00:14.920 And everything else is noise and doesn't matter.

01:00:18.360 And the bottom line is Mark Carney, who's a newbie to federal politics, who none of us

01:00:24.180 thought would have the skill set he's showing, is winning.

01:00:28.380 And as Chris just pointed out, Pierre Paulie is losing.

01:00:32.060 These people would not be voting with their feet.

01:00:34.420 And there are two more.

01:00:35.820 It's not just a rumor.

01:00:37.020 There are two more coming either after he gets through the leadership review or, you know,

01:00:41.440 sometime before it.

01:00:42.780 The liberals are going to figure out a way to mess them up.

01:00:45.160 But it's going to happen.

01:00:48.680 And, you know, it's happening because Pierre Paulie's leadership is uninspiring to a lot

01:00:55.800 of conservatives.

01:00:56.760 And, you know, not you guys, but I hear from lots of conservatives, including people in

01:01:01.780 his caucus who are not happy with the guy.

01:01:04.440 So he's going to get through the leadership review, but he's going to lose the next election.

01:01:08.280 So the conservative party's got to figure out what they're going to do.

01:01:10.860 My vote is for Ben Mulroney as the next conservative.

01:01:13.900 Hard pass, my friend.

01:01:16.020 Hard pass.

01:01:16.640 But thank you very much.

01:01:18.120 You know, one party that actually used to know a thing or two about winning was the

01:01:21.520 Quebec Liberal Party.

01:01:23.000 And the fact that their leader is stepping down after, what, six months at the helm?

01:01:29.400 Does that speak to a party that's on its last legs or needs to reinvent itself?

01:01:35.160 We'll start with you, Warren.

01:01:36.360 Well, I'm not a big fan of Pablo Rodriguez, so I wasn't surprised at all to see that happen

01:01:41.800 for all kinds of reasons.

01:01:44.820 But I'm also Federalist, and I know you guys are too.

01:01:48.980 And, you know, this maybe improves Legault's position somewhat.

01:01:53.300 But it's bad for the country because the Piazza Quebecois are, have been ahead in the polls 1.00

01:02:00.860 substantially for many months.

01:02:03.180 So we're going to have a situation where we've got an Anglophone prime minister, whose French

01:02:08.900 is not as good as your dad's was, you know, facing off against a referendum they're promising

01:02:14.780 to happen.

01:02:15.500 So that is my concern about the Quebec Liberal Party disappearing in the way that they're

01:02:20.640 doing.

01:02:21.500 Is it maybe it's bad for them, but it's also bad for the country?

01:02:24.720 Yeah, I hadn't thought about that, that additional dimension to it.

01:02:28.960 Chris, six months is not a long time to lead anything.

01:02:33.900 And there's there's no way that you can look at this as anything but a categorical and cataclysmic

01:02:38.300 failure by Pablo Rodriguez, Pablo Rodriguez.

01:02:42.020 No, you can't. 0.97

01:02:43.680 I mean, if we go back, you know, five minutes to Warren talking about being a dirty, rotten 0.94

01:02:48.760 liberal and that the only thing matters that winning, sometimes they take it seriously and 0.92

01:02:52.940 forget that, you know, you know, envelopes of cash to party members is actually, in fact,

01:02:58.160 you know, not the appropriate thing to do to try to win, you know, win over hearts and

01:03:02.180 minds.

01:03:02.740 But but Warren's spot on.

01:03:04.440 All I will say is, you know, hopefully there's some precedent that we saw here in Ontario back

01:03:09.280 in 2018.

01:03:09.880 We had a PC leader step down and Doug Ford became leader and three months later he became

01:03:14.580 premier.

01:03:14.960 So, you know, there there is a possibility to turn the ship around.

01:03:18.760 I think that's probably a once in a generation kind of outcome.

01:03:22.320 Yeah, I don't think that's probably going to happen in Quebec.

01:03:25.280 But to Warren's point, I sure hope it does.

01:03:27.340 Because I think there is real concern and with the uncertainty across this country and everything

01:03:31.840 that's happening south of the border, the idea of, you know, the separatists being back

01:03:35.740 in charge of Quebec with an Anglophone leader, prime minister who openly talks about being

01:03:42.580 from Alberta, even though Alberta, you know, most of the time would rather give him back.

01:03:46.660 I think we have real cause for concern in this country.

01:03:49.700 Yeah.

01:03:49.820 I mean, it used to be a binary choice in Quebec.

01:03:51.840 You were either a federalist or you were a separatist and you knew exactly where you were

01:03:54.720 supposed to park your vote.

01:03:55.680 You're either a liberal or a Parti Québécois.

01:03:58.500 And things have gotten a lot more complicated there.

01:04:01.180 There's a lot more nuance and a lot more political dynamics at play, making it so that the resurgence

01:04:07.640 of the Liberal Party, I'm sure it will happen at some point, but it is not it is not inevitable

01:04:13.700 and it's certainly not imminent, Warren.

01:04:17.180 No, it's not.

01:04:17.860 And, you know, it's the trend line.

01:04:20.300 That's what guys like us always pay attention to.

01:04:22.780 You know, polls are the cliched snapshot.

01:04:27.060 You know, you should pay attention to polls over a long period of time.

01:04:30.840 And what the polls are showing over a long period of time is the Quebecers, while they 0.99

01:04:35.100 do not support sovereignty at the present time, do support the party that favors independence,

01:04:41.620 not just, you know, sovereignty association.

01:04:44.020 So that's worrying.

01:04:45.060 And the reason why I pointed out Carney is an Anglophone is, you know, guys like you, Ben,

01:04:50.940 in particular would know his French is not where it needs to be.

01:04:55.120 And a number of people have just written about that actually in the past few days.

01:04:58.620 He needs to be more conversant in our other official language.

01:05:02.860 And he's not.

01:05:03.620 And he's just lost, you know, Guibo was a disaster in terms of, you know, the energy

01:05:09.600 file and so on.

01:05:10.940 But he is a senior political figure in the province of Quebec.

01:05:14.860 So, you know, Carney needs to cast his mind ahead in 2026 to what's happening in Quebec.

01:05:20.020 And is he going to be ready for what's coming, which looks like a Pats-Quebecois government?

01:05:24.900 Yeah, you're right.

01:05:26.020 I mean, if he's going to be Captain Canada, he needs to be somebody who can, who Quebecers 1.00

01:05:32.620 feel understand them.

01:05:34.100 You don't have to be from there, but you have to allow them to believe that you get them.

01:05:39.680 And I don't know if a Bay Street type is that kind of guy, but we'll have to see.

01:05:45.320 Hey, gentlemen, I want to thank you so much.

01:05:46.700 You've really made this show so much better than it could be without you.

01:05:51.040 I hope you both have a wonderful Christmas and holiday season.

01:05:54.680 Enjoy the end of 2025.

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