kinsellacast - KINSELLACAST 394： Sa'd, Lilley, E. on a bad year - but with the best song and LP of the year!

00:00:00.000 it's the Kinsella cast starring Warren Kinsella

00:00:08.320 hey welcome to Kinsella cast didn't know didn't think I was gonna do this one a year-end one

00:00:25.200 kind of miasma ray zone between Christmas and New Year's but here I am I'm doing it anyway I'm up at

00:00:34.560 the lake with the dogs and the cat and E and you'll hear from me at the conclusion and decided to give

00:00:46.020 you Kinsella cast so you're welcome I've got important music for me this year Ekka Vandal who

00:00:56.400 I thought had the song of the year with Molly I've got another one by her bleed but never die

00:01:01.980 and I got military gun God owes me money and bad idea both from their newest album which is the best

00:01:08.820 album of the year and so I've got that and then of course Kareem Assad with her insights on the

00:01:18.060 present and the future and Brian Lilly as well talking about the year that went by and the year

00:01:24.780 that is on its way Milton Sanford mayor was an American journalist he's a Quaker I live on a

00:01:32.640 Quaker farmhouse no less he had Jewish heritage but he didn't talk about that and but anyway it

00:01:40.920 wasn't the important thing the important thing is what he wrote in one of his many books and it was

00:01:46.320 titled they thought they were free the Germans from 1933 to 1945 after the war mayor interviewed 10 ordinary

00:01:55.320 German men he wanted to ask them about their views on national socialism and Hitler and the Jews and

00:02:03.060 none of the Germans the interviewed had criminal records although there was one who had set a synagogue

00:02:07.260 on fire he didn't disclose to them that he had Jewish antecedents because none of the men would have

00:02:13.560 spoken to him all of them spoke fondly of Hitler and all of them expressed disdain for Jews and he

00:02:21.420 wrote this passage it's long passage but it's important about the beginnings of it all when

00:02:26.880 Germany and quite a lot of the world lost its mind when it went mad he wrote about how a country of

00:02:34.680 people can lose their humanity so here's the quote in between come all the hundreds of little steps

00:02:43.560 some of them imperceptible each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next and one day too late

00:02:51.360 your principles if you were ever sensible of them all rush in on you the burden of self-deception

00:02:58.500 has grown too heavy and some minor incident in my case my little boy hardly more than a baby saying

00:03:05.180 Jewish swine collapses it all at once and you see that everything everything has changed and changed 1.00

00:03:13.760 completely under your nose the world you live in your nation your people is not the world you were born in 0.98

00:03:21.060 at all end quote that's how it happens Milton Meyer wrote in his book all the shops and the holidays and

00:03:29.580 the jobs and the meal times look the same but they aren't the same quote now you live in a world of hate

00:03:37.020 and fear and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves when everyone is transformed

00:03:43.200 no one is transformed now you live in a system which with rules without responsibility even to God and

00:03:50.400 end quote when did it happen to us in 2025 was it when 15 Jews were gunned down on a beach in Australia

00:04:01.080 when two Jewish kids were shot to death in Washington by a guy yelling free Palestine when an elderly Jew was

00:04:08.880 burned to death in Boulder Colorado also by a man screaming free Palestine here in Canada was it

00:04:17.400 when banner is proclaiming intifada which is a specific promise of murder are unfurled at Toronto's Eaton

00:04:25.800 Center and the police stand by and watch was it when a Toronto school for Jewish children just four or five

00:04:34.320 years old was shot up once twice three times or or was it when an alleged ISIS adherent was arrested for

00:04:45.240 terrorism offenses and then swiftly released on bail Milton Myers point I think is that darkness

00:04:54.120 doesn't announce its arrival with a herald of trumpets and a glossy tick-tock PR campaign happens quietly like a

00:05:03.240 whisper one minute you were in Canada and the next minute you do not recognize the land beneath your

00:05:11.480 feet because by then is Meyer notes it is already too late in the past year which has been a cruel and

00:05:20.480 terrible one I have spoken to Jewish groups from Calgary to Halifax the people I meet tell me that they are what 1.00

00:05:28.920 they're feeling anger terror anxiety defiance betrayal some talk of making alia which is moving to the Jewish

00:05:39.640 homeland others talk of forming yet another group to oppose anti-semitism or petitions or boycotts or

00:05:45.600 whatever but inevitably I get asked why I an Irish Catholic I'm so passionate about supporting them about being an

00:05:55.160 ally of Jews the question always angers me simply because it shouldn't ever need to be asked so I

00:06:02.600 mumble thanks and say it's how my parents raised me and my brothers or that I'm following my heart which

00:06:08.120 makes it easy but I dislike the question intensely because it reminds me that I am indeed among the few has

00:06:15.720 spoken up it reminds me that too many too many friends too many colleagues too many people I'd once admired have

00:06:23.480 chosen silence that choice that indifference that shrug that cowardice is what has gotten us to where

00:06:32.520 we are here and now which is a country that no longer is the country we knew like the one Milton Sanford Meyer

00:06:41.640 wrote about Canada has changed perhaps for good me I don't know what else to do so I intend to keep speaking

00:06:49.080 out even though I now believe 2026 will be far worse than what preceded it and after much thought I

00:06:55.880 purchased a bulletproof vest over the holidays a few people suggested I needed it because that is the

00:07:02.680 country we live in now

00:07:09.480 so who's got the molly cause the world's shopping through our dirty mines 1.00

00:07:25.320 so who's putting money on the line that I'm waking up alive

00:07:36.120 oh yeah

00:07:37.320 I'm waiting to learn to learn to learn to learn to learn to learn to fly

00:07:45.000 the reason why you're waiting till I'm high

00:07:55.800 you're waiting till I'm high

00:07:59.800 I'm all up in my head

00:08:03.800 I'm waiting till I'm high

00:08:19.800 I'm waiting till I'm high

00:08:23.880 I'm waiting to learn, to learn, to learn, to learn the reason why

00:08:32.740 You're waiting till I'm high

00:08:35.320 You're waiting till I'm high

00:08:40.460 I'm all up in my head

00:08:44.240 I forget what we'll say

00:08:46.980 I'm hating that I'm right

00:08:51.740 You're waiting till I'm high

00:08:56.200 I'm all up in my head

00:08:59.920 I forget what we'll say

00:09:04.020 You wasted what we had created

00:09:07.380 Time is underrated

00:09:09.400 Now I know we're fading

00:09:11.400 You wasted what we had created

00:09:15.340 Time I'm medicated

00:09:17.340 Now I know we're fading

00:09:19.340 You wasted what we had created

00:09:23.240 Time is underrated

00:09:25.300 So we gotta send it

00:09:27.720 You wasted what we had created

00:09:31.300 Time I'm medicated

00:09:33.180 Now I know we're fading

00:09:35.140 Cry

00:09:38.040 Cry

00:09:41.520 Cry

00:09:45.880 Cry

00:09:48.200 Cry

00:09:51.740 Cry

00:09:52.860 You waited till I'm high

00:09:58.460 I'm all up in my head

00:10:03.140 I'll forget what we'll say

00:10:06.300 I'm hating that I'm right

00:10:11.660 You waited till I'm high

00:10:15.560 I'm all up in my head

00:10:18.700 I'll forget what we'll say

00:10:33.140 I'll forget what we'll say

00:11:03.140 I'll forget what we'll say

00:11:33.140 We're back with our friend Karima Saad

00:11:35.920 And Karima, I just want to thank you so much

00:11:39.100 For your contributions and your insight

00:11:41.320 Over the past while

00:11:43.200 At the end of 2025

00:11:44.800 And I wanted to talk about 2026

00:11:47.600 But before we did that

00:11:49.000 I wanted to talk about

00:11:50.300 What took place at the Eaton Centre

00:11:52.780 In the past few days

00:11:54.520 The Eaton Centre, the biggest shopping mall

00:11:56.620 The legitimacy in the country

00:11:58.360 Certainly a symbol

00:11:59.980 And a bunch of banners

00:12:02.640 Were unfurled quite suddenly

00:12:04.300 By a group of people

00:12:05.280 Many of them masked

00:12:06.360 Calling for intifada

00:12:08.760 Talking about war crimes

00:12:10.520 Talking about arms

00:12:11.800 Talking about Israel 0.66

00:12:13.680 And there's been so many

00:12:16.080 Of these types of incidents

00:12:17.860 Over the past year

00:12:19.260 In 2025

00:12:20.060 But this one really seemed

00:12:21.980 To strike a chord

00:12:23.080 With people in a way

00:12:25.340 That upset people

00:12:27.320 But also, I guess

00:12:28.420 Pleased others

00:12:29.420 As somebody who

00:12:31.700 Pays attention to these events

00:12:33.580 And who had

00:12:34.220 You had your videographer

00:12:35.640 Present

00:12:36.240 I wanted to ask you

00:12:37.560 What, you know

00:12:38.620 The symbolism of these things

00:12:40.340 Like, does it matter?

00:12:41.960 I think it does

00:12:43.000 But, you know

00:12:43.860 Do you think that

00:12:44.660 It has an impact

00:12:45.700 On human beings?

00:12:47.980 Absolutely it does

00:12:49.120 Boxing Day

00:12:50.540 Was significant

00:12:52.000 Not only because

00:12:53.860 It is one of the busiest

00:12:55.920 Shopping days of the year

00:12:57.320 And so

00:12:58.000 Protesters have

00:12:59.880 A captive audience

00:13:00.900 And, you know

00:13:02.360 Are effectively

00:13:03.180 Guaranteed eyeballs

00:13:05.620 But the holiday season

00:13:08.160 In general

00:13:08.940 Is something that

00:13:11.060 You know

00:13:12.440 People hold dear

00:13:13.660 They treasure

00:13:14.200 There's nostalgia

00:13:14.980 Tied to it

00:13:16.140 The timing of the disruption

00:13:20.300 Was based on

00:13:22.520 A holiday light show

00:13:24.220 In the Eden Centre

00:13:25.180 So, you know

00:13:26.740 There were shoppers

00:13:28.000 And families

00:13:28.740 Gathered around

00:13:29.860 To watch this

00:13:30.860 Pretty stunning display

00:13:32.480 And that was

00:13:34.360 That was interrupted

00:13:35.360 And so

00:13:36.380 As we've seen

00:13:37.040 In past years

00:13:37.980 Around the holiday season

00:13:40.300 Santa meet and greets

00:13:43.020 Disrupted

00:13:43.960 Regular shopping

00:13:46.640 Disrupted

00:13:47.620 And that is

00:13:49.580 The intention

00:13:50.100 Of protesters

00:13:50.840 Right

00:13:51.280 No business as usual

00:13:53.340 No justice

00:13:54.640 No peace

00:13:55.300 So they are

00:13:56.580 Achieving

00:13:57.100 Their end

00:13:58.120 But it comes

00:13:59.500 With a lot of

00:14:00.620 Friction

00:14:01.220 I want to talk

00:14:02.880 About that

00:14:03.220 Friction

00:14:03.680 So they are

00:14:05.400 Achieving their

00:14:06.000 Ends

00:14:06.360 I agree with that

00:14:07.220 But doesn't it

00:14:08.320 Piss a lot of

00:14:08.860 People off 0.95

00:14:09.420 Don't a lot of

00:14:10.260 You know

00:14:10.680 Regular Joe

00:14:11.420 And Jane 0.95

00:14:11.760 Front porch

00:14:12.500 Who are just

00:14:12.960 At the Eden Centre

00:14:13.760 With their kids

00:14:14.360 To watch the light show

00:14:15.480 Don't they just

00:14:16.800 Get mad at these

00:14:17.720 People

00:14:17.980 I mean

00:14:18.220 Don't they

00:14:18.580 Lose a potential

00:14:19.620 Audience

00:14:20.040 By doing these

00:14:20.900 Things

00:14:21.200 I think

00:14:23.440 The objective

00:14:24.380 Is not necessarily

00:14:25.640 Persuasion

00:14:26.400 Because if it was

00:14:28.040 Shouting at strangers

00:14:29.560 And trying to shame

00:14:30.520 Them

00:14:30.820 Is not an effective

00:14:32.520 Way to persuade

00:14:33.940 These demonstrations

00:14:35.780 Are more about

00:14:37.780 In my view

00:14:39.240 At least

00:14:39.700 Sending a message

00:14:42.560 To governments

00:14:44.840 To authorities

00:14:46.120 That we're not

00:14:48.800 Going away

00:14:49.600 We will continue

00:14:50.660 To make things

00:14:51.460 Uncomfortable

00:14:52.080 Until our

00:14:53.180 Demands are met

00:14:54.420 So yes

00:14:54.980 The average Joe

00:14:56.000 Becomes collateral

00:14:57.380 In this

00:14:58.060 You know

00:14:59.180 They're unlikely

00:14:59.760 To have their

00:15:00.600 Opinions swayed

00:15:01.560 If anything

00:15:02.280 Their opinion

00:15:03.160 Might be swayed

00:15:05.040 In a negative way

00:15:06.200 But that

00:15:07.580 Loss of goodwill

00:15:08.880 Is the trade-off

00:15:10.820 For instilling

00:15:12.540 A sense of

00:15:13.760 Fear

00:15:16.320 Really

00:15:17.140 There's been

00:15:19.160 A lot of

00:15:19.520 Criticism

00:15:20.040 About the

00:15:21.040 Non-response

00:15:22.720 Or lack

00:15:23.160 Of a response

00:15:24.080 By the

00:15:25.040 Authorities

00:15:25.620 By security

00:15:26.380 And police

00:15:27.060 At the

00:15:27.460 Eaton Centre

00:15:28.260 And wanted to

00:15:29.520 Ask you about

00:15:30.000 That

00:15:30.200 Is it

00:15:30.540 Is it

00:15:30.920 Their fault

00:15:31.640 Did they know

00:15:33.640 It was coming

00:15:34.340 Were they

00:15:34.780 Prepared for it

00:15:35.760 Did they

00:15:36.100 Respond adequately

00:15:37.040 Because you've

00:15:37.680 Documented

00:15:38.560 Over the past

00:15:39.660 Two years

00:15:40.320 Two and a half

00:15:41.020 Years

00:15:41.480 Many instances

00:15:42.940 Where the

00:15:43.940 Authorities

00:15:44.620 In Toronto

00:15:45.860 And elsewhere

00:15:46.500 Have not

00:15:47.740 Been at the

00:15:48.760 Ready

00:15:49.000 What happened

00:15:50.080 At the

00:15:50.420 Eaton Centre

00:15:51.160 When these

00:15:52.600 This protest

00:15:53.880 So-called

00:15:54.680 Erupted

00:15:56.060 What did the

00:15:56.580 Authorities

00:15:57.060 Do

00:15:57.300 Well this

00:15:59.600 Was not

00:16:00.080 An announced

00:16:00.720 Demonstration

00:16:01.540 So the

00:16:03.060 Fact that

00:16:03.880 We were there

00:16:04.980 On scene

00:16:05.540 At all

00:16:06.040 Is based

00:16:07.200 On a

00:16:07.560 Punch 0.96

00:16:07.880 And because

00:16:08.560 This is

00:16:09.120 Somewhat

00:16:09.560 Predictable

00:16:10.300 Protesters

00:16:11.720 Have targeted

00:16:12.240 Moles 0.88

00:16:12.700 Over the

00:16:13.520 Past

00:16:13.820 Two years

00:16:14.700 And including

00:16:16.000 On Boxing

00:16:16.620 Day

00:16:16.860 So I was

00:16:18.200 A little bit

00:16:18.860 Surprised

00:16:19.620 At the

00:16:20.480 Response

00:16:21.260 From security

00:16:22.520 Police arrived

00:16:23.980 Within roughly

00:16:24.780 Ten minutes

00:16:25.460 Of the

00:16:26.080 Demonstration

00:16:26.740 And at

00:16:29.140 No time

00:16:30.140 Were either

00:16:31.280 Security

00:16:31.820 Or police

00:16:32.600 Observed

00:16:33.300 Trying to

00:16:34.340 Take away

00:16:34.980 Anyone's

00:16:35.980 Micro

00:16:36.260 Megaphone

00:16:37.100 To confiscate

00:16:37.900 It

00:16:38.160 Or

00:16:38.540 Even issuing

00:16:40.060 Verbal

00:16:40.540 Trespass

00:16:41.180 Notices

00:16:41.760 The way

00:16:43.040 That this

00:16:43.420 Demonstration

00:16:44.080 Wrapped up

00:16:44.800 And this

00:16:45.400 Was a

00:16:45.720 Strategic

00:16:46.180 Move

00:16:47.280 On the

00:16:47.700 Part of

00:16:48.020 Protesters

00:16:48.740 They left

00:16:49.900 Voluntarily

00:16:50.760 After about

00:16:51.420 15 minutes

00:16:52.200 So before

00:16:53.000 There was

00:16:53.540 Even an

00:16:54.160 Attempt

00:16:54.520 To remove

00:16:55.280 Them

00:16:55.580 They removed

00:16:56.580 Themselves

00:16:57.320 And so

00:16:59.240 It was

00:16:59.540 Really a

00:17:00.380 Flash

00:17:00.820 Mob

00:17:01.180 Style

00:17:01.900 Demonstration

00:17:02.700 But

00:17:03.720 The

00:17:05.080 Mall

00:17:05.440 Security

00:17:05.980 And the

00:17:06.660 Police

00:17:07.280 You know

00:17:08.460 It didn't

00:17:09.120 End

00:17:09.400 Really

00:17:10.060 Thanks to

00:17:10.820 Their

00:17:11.080 Intervention

00:17:11.720 Now

00:17:13.280 In

00:17:13.740 Fairness

00:17:14.240 You know

00:17:14.600 On the

00:17:15.240 Busiest

00:17:15.520 Shopping

00:17:15.880 Day of

00:17:16.200 The

00:17:16.320 Year

00:17:16.580 How

00:17:17.420 Would

00:17:17.880 It

00:17:17.960 Be

00:17:18.080 Possible

00:17:18.560 To

00:17:19.220 Gatekeep

00:17:20.480 The

00:17:20.780 Mall

00:17:21.100 Which

00:17:21.400 Is 0.88

00:17:21.600 Open

00:17:21.960 To

00:17:22.160 The

00:17:22.280 Public

00:17:22.580 And

00:17:23.080 You know

00:17:23.620 Prepare

00:17:24.000 For

00:17:24.200 This

00:17:24.380 Kind

00:17:24.600 Of

00:17:24.700 Thing

00:17:25.000 Where

00:17:25.320 The

00:17:25.820 Protesters

00:17:26.380 Did

00:17:26.620 Embed

00:17:27.000 Themselves

00:17:27.540 In

00:17:28.200 The

00:17:28.340 Crowd

00:17:28.720 I

00:17:30.040 Would

00:17:30.260 Say

00:17:30.540 That

00:17:30.800 Many

00:17:31.260 Of

00:17:31.440 These

00:17:31.580 Individuals

00:17:32.420 Were

00:17:32.820 Familiar

00:17:33.260 Faces

00:17:33.760 And

00:17:34.560 And

00:17:34.580 So

00:17:35.140 There

00:17:35.740 There

00:17:36.020 Was

00:17:36.260 A

00:17:36.380 Degree

00:17:36.720 Of

00:17:37.060 Predictability

00:17:37.780 To

00:17:38.040 This

00:17:38.340 I

00:17:38.760 Don't

00:17:39.100 Think

00:17:39.440 That

00:17:39.680 Authorities

00:17:40.200 Rose

00:17:40.460 To

00:17:40.620 The

00:17:40.720 Occasion

00:17:41.120 And

00:17:41.900 These

00:17:42.160 Are

00:17:42.380 People

00:17:42.820 Many

00:17:43.180 Of

00:17:43.440 Them

00:17:43.660 You've

00:17:43.920 Identified

00:17:44.500 Them

00:17:44.740 Who

00:17:44.940 Have

00:17:45.120 Harassed

00:17:45.620 You

00:17:45.920 And

00:17:46.680 Your

00:17:46.840 Team

00:17:47.340 For

00:17:47.660 More

00:17:47.900 Than

00:17:48.060 Two

00:17:48.240 Years

00:17:48.540 And

00:17:48.720 They

00:17:48.820 Targeted

00:17:49.480 The

00:17:49.820 Likes

00:17:50.080 Of

00:17:50.260 Me

00:17:50.540 For

00:17:51.280 More

00:17:51.700 Than

00:17:51.880 Two

00:17:52.060 Years

00:17:52.300 But

00:17:52.580 Leaving

00:17:53.200 That

00:17:53.440 Aside

00:17:53.860 You're

00:17:54.120 A

00:17:54.240 Lawyer

00:17:54.500 I'm

00:17:54.780 A

00:17:54.900 Lawyer

00:17:55.160 We

00:17:55.740 Both

00:17:56.020 Believe

00:17:56.400 In

00:17:56.580 The

00:17:56.700 Importance

00:17:57.280 Of

00:17:57.440 The

00:17:57.560 Principles

00:17:58.140 That

00:17:58.340 Are

00:17:58.440 Enshrined

00:17:59.000 In

00:17:59.140 The

00:17:59.260 Constitution

00:17:59.900 Is 0.88

00:18:01.040 What

00:18:01.320 We

00:18:01.840 Saw

00:18:02.340 At

00:18:02.700 The

00:18:02.900 Center

00:18:03.400 Is 0.88

00:18:03.700 That

00:18:03.880 Free

00:18:04.180 Speech

00:18:04.640 Or

00:18:05.160 Was

00:18:05.400 It

00:18:05.520 Something

00:18:05.840 Else

00:18:06.240 It

00:18:08.240 Was

00:18:08.640 An

00:18:08.880 Exercise

00:18:09.360 Of

00:18:10.400 Free

00:18:10.860 Speech

00:18:11.260 And

00:18:12.360 You

00:18:12.760 Know

00:18:12.900 Protest

00:18:13.720 Is 0.88

00:18:14.940 A

00:18:15.400 Very

00:18:15.660 Effective

00:18:16.560 Cover

00:18:17.400 And

00:18:18.540 Justification

00:18:19.580 For

00:18:20.300 That

00:18:21.620 Form

00:18:22.040 Of

00:18:22.180 Expression

00:18:22.740 Strictly

00:18:23.900 From

00:18:24.300 A

00:18:24.540 Legal

00:18:24.920 Perspective

00:18:25.740 It

00:18:26.000 Was

00:18:26.200 Up

00:18:26.380 To

00:18:26.520 The

00:18:26.660 Mall

00:18:27.000 To

00:18:27.800 Say

00:18:28.100 This

00:18:28.340 Is 0.88

00:18:28.480 Not

00:18:28.780 Welcome

00:18:29.560 Here

00:18:29.940 To

00:18:30.180 Issue

00:18:30.460 Trespasses

00:18:31.160 They

00:18:32.000 Can

00:18:32.160 Still

00:18:32.460 Decide

00:18:32.900 To

00:18:33.100 Do

00:18:33.280 That

00:18:33.640 After

00:18:34.240 The

00:18:34.440 Fact

00:18:34.800 Some

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00:24:04.200 Am

00:24:04.400 Grateful

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00:24:06.560 You've

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00:24:08.280 Are

00:24:08.440 Willing

00:24:38.800 can we just get a break from all of this can can we just you know also it's also a social circle

00:24:45.760 right um so it's a social circle based on we get to go out and be punk um and it's for the greater

00:24:55.820 good so we're also heroes um right which is like that's a hard mindset that to shift um and and

00:25:02.140 you know you saw it but no one was doing anything about it and what is anyone gonna do right because

00:25:08.000 the first security guard grabs a megaphone is now brutalizing the protesters yeah yeah no really

00:25:14.600 well listen my friend uh happy new year to both you and to all of you and um have a good one and

00:25:21.360 i will be in touch for next week all right thank you take care bye

00:25:38.000 break into my car 0.98

00:25:53.800 leaving all your useless thoughts 1.00

00:25:56.160 knife through the door reminder of the rich 0.99

00:26:00.400 try to make me jump if i don't you push me off

00:26:04.480 try my best to make it

00:26:06.960 things you'll never remember

00:26:13.560 i'll never get to forget

00:26:17.560 things you'll never remember

00:26:21.560 oh god owes me a check

00:26:30.160 oh god owes me a check

00:26:43.160 you'll feel better now

00:26:44.400 leaving it all with me 0.71

00:26:46.840 leave me burning down

00:26:48.560 reminder of defeat 0.99

00:26:50.760 successfully murdered all of my god damn peace 0.99

00:26:55.360 now we both have this disease 0.98

00:26:59.360 things you'll never remember

00:27:01.560 i'll never get to forget

00:27:05.520 things you'll never remember

00:27:07.520 things you'll never remember

00:27:09.520 things you'll never remember

00:27:10.520 i'll live through

00:27:11.520 things you'll never remember

00:27:12.520 i've lived through

00:27:13.520 again and again and again and again

00:27:15.520 say the worst thing that comes to mind

00:27:18.520 does it feel better to be so kind

00:27:22.520 don't know why i was left outside

00:27:26.520 you're lucky your memories just static

00:27:40.520 burn too bright into my eyes

00:27:44.520 i don't know how we survived

00:27:48.520 too close

00:27:50.520 not close enough

00:27:52.520 i wanna feel it

00:27:54.520 please don't hit me

00:27:56.520 please don't hit me soft

00:27:57.520 don't know why i was left outside

00:28:01.520 god owes me money

00:28:03.520 i'll get it in time

00:28:05.520 things you'll never remember

00:28:08.520 i'll never get to forget

00:28:13.520 things you'll never remember

00:28:16.520 i'll live through

00:28:18.520 again and again and again

00:28:21.520 say the worst thing that comes to mind

00:28:26.520 does it feel better to be so kind

00:28:30.520 don't know why i was left outside

00:28:34.520 cause i'll be mine

00:28:36.520 you'll get it in time

00:28:38.520 and we're back and brian lilly has just reminded me that i am fred astaires and he is ginger rogers

00:28:48.520 that's how i describe my radio

00:28:50.520 it is that you know the host and you know this being a podcast very similar the host asks me questions i don't know what they're gonna ask and so i dance backwards that's that's why i say you're fred astaire i'm ginger rogers

00:29:03.520 all right in my my ongoing role is fred astaire the first question i ask you is situational because your personal situation at the moment is in you're in the united states of america on the far coast the left coast the democratic coast and doing what i know every good journalist does which is sit in coffee shops and listen to people eavesdrop on what they're saying or engage them in conversation when taking a cab or getting a haircut so what do you think about that you think about that you're going to be in a

00:29:18.520 and doing what I know every good journalist does,

00:29:23.360 which is sit in coffee shops and listen to people eavesdrop

00:29:26.720 on what they're saying or engage them in conversation

00:29:30.280 when taking a cab or getting a haircut.

00:29:32.680 So what are you hearing in the great not-so-United States these days?

00:29:38.780 Well, I'm sitting at the corner of Palm Canyon

00:29:41.560 and Tackwood's Canyon Way in Palm Springs.

00:29:44.660 I just saw one of the weirdest vehicles out there turn the corner,

00:29:51.340 that being the Tesla, what's the big one called?

00:29:56.480 The truck, the Cybertruck.

00:29:58.440 I keep seeing those around here.

00:30:00.260 It's a very Democrat area, Palm Springs, California.

00:30:04.420 Everyone keeps thinking when they see me post online

00:30:06.880 that I'm somewhere Palm-related in Florida

00:30:10.640 and that I'm hanging out at Mar-a-Lago with Donald Trump.

00:30:13.980 That's what my detractors say.

00:30:16.920 No, I'm in the very liberal area of Palm Springs, California,

00:30:20.780 other side of the country.

00:30:22.900 California went about 58% for Harris, 38% for Trump.

00:30:29.800 Palm Springs went for Harris,

00:30:32.320 but Riverside County, where this place is,

00:30:34.880 went just mildly for Trump, 49% to 48% sort of thing.

00:30:39.280 So like many parts of the United States, this area is divided.

00:30:44.700 But here's what I can tell you,

00:30:46.400 is that you hear more about Donald Trump in Canada

00:30:53.180 on a daily basis than you do here.

00:30:56.040 What do you think that is?

00:30:57.840 He lives in our heads rent-free.

00:30:59.200 You know, I just constantly hear about people talking about Trump.

00:31:08.140 I hear, you know, it's not that he is never raised here,

00:31:12.500 but nobody sees themselves at war with Canada here.

00:31:16.720 I'll say that.

00:31:17.460 If that does come up, it's, ooh, sorry.

00:31:22.220 So, look, I've received a lot of flack online

00:31:25.960 for vacationing down here over the Christmas break.

00:31:29.980 I'm not going to apologize for it,

00:31:31.780 but everyone makes their own decisions.

00:31:33.760 And, you know, my wife's family has been coming here for years.

00:31:37.480 They own a place down here.

00:31:38.500 It's not like they're going to stop coming for four years.

00:31:44.780 And so when I see my wife over Christmas,

00:31:48.000 guess where I have to be?

00:31:49.400 That's the reality of the situation.

00:31:52.080 And about 25% of the Canadians that normally come to the U.S.

00:31:57.820 have stopped traveling.

00:31:58.920 The drop in travel is down 25%, 26%.

00:32:03.280 So the majority of Canadians are still coming. 0.98

00:32:06.300 Florida isn't noticing them

00:32:10.120 because Florida is hitting record tourism here.

00:32:13.840 They're noticing, I'll say that,

00:32:15.840 because they're not hitting record tourism from other places.

00:32:21.060 I don't know if you've been to Disneyland

00:32:24.380 as opposed to Disney World in Florida.

00:32:26.500 I have.

00:32:27.540 It's not as big a draw, and the castle's a lot smaller.

00:32:31.620 You walk in and you're like,

00:32:33.100 hmm, did someone shrink this place?

00:32:35.140 But it's different.

00:32:37.340 So California's feeling it.

00:32:39.600 Arizona's feeling it.

00:32:41.040 Lots of places are feeling Canadians not being here

00:32:44.220 in as great numbers.

00:32:46.420 It's not like everybody just stopped,

00:32:48.540 but the numbers are down.

00:32:51.300 What do you think the future holds for them quickly

00:32:54.780 in 2026 before we talk a bit longer

00:33:00.000 about what Canada is facing in 2026?

00:33:03.160 What do you think the Americans are facing?

00:33:07.060 Well, I know that there is the...

00:33:10.760 A lot of Canadians are holding out hope that,

00:33:14.220 hey, well, things are going to get better for us

00:33:16.040 because of the midterms.

00:33:17.100 Midterms are a long way away.

00:33:18.940 As you and I said, you're talking,

00:33:20.500 what day is it, December 28th?

00:33:23.200 Midterms are in November,

00:33:24.280 and we need something to happen to fix things for us before then.

00:33:29.300 So let's just say that Americans turn on masks

00:33:35.660 to the Democrats in November,

00:33:37.280 which midterm elections, quite often,

00:33:40.240 it happens that whoever is in the White House,

00:33:44.480 whoever holds Congress,

00:33:47.240 they get a whooping in the midterms.

00:33:49.580 Not always, but it does happen.

00:33:52.580 But here's why I say you've got to be careful about that.

00:33:56.420 That's like having hope as your best strategy.

00:34:00.200 Hope is not a good strategy.

00:34:02.220 A couple of things are going to happen this year

00:34:03.980 that while Americans are looking and saying,

00:34:08.060 well, the economy's not good for me,

00:34:11.100 Donald Trump promised a better economy,

00:34:13.360 here's a couple of things that will happen this year

00:34:15.260 that could swing things back towards Trump.

00:34:18.560 And why I say that just being hopeful is a horrible idea.

00:34:24.820 The no tax on tips kicks in January 1st.

00:34:29.280 That's massive for the service industry.

00:34:31.520 That was a big promise for Trump

00:34:32.820 that he hasn't delivered on yet.

00:34:34.440 He delivers on it January 1st.

00:34:36.340 No tax on overtime kicks in January 1st.

00:34:40.260 So they're talking about sending out $2,000

00:34:44.140 or is it $2,400 checks per household

00:34:48.040 in this coming year

00:34:50.180 based off of all the money they're collecting from tariffs.

00:34:54.040 The tariff money is approaching about $200 billion in revenue.

00:35:00.680 And the Supreme Court hasn't ruled on it yet.

00:35:04.000 Even if the Supreme Court does rule against Trump on tariffs,

00:35:07.460 guess what?

00:35:08.000 It doesn't help Canada.

00:35:09.520 Because most of the tariff money being collected from us

00:35:13.000 is not off of the IEEPA tariffs.

00:35:15.960 It's off of the sectoral 232 tariffs,

00:35:18.620 which will stay in place

00:35:20.460 because they haven't been challenged at the Supreme Court.

00:35:25.460 I've talked more about Canada than the U.S. here, really.

00:35:28.620 Well, let's talk about Canada.

00:35:30.100 But I'm worried that we have a bad strategy.

00:35:32.800 So, yeah, I certainly agree.

00:35:36.120 It doesn't feel like we have one.

00:35:37.320 So let's talk about what 2026 holds for us politically and culturally and socially

00:35:45.300 and all of that stuff.

00:35:47.420 Are you pessimistic or optimistic about what the future holds for the country?

00:35:52.760 Well, based on this last year, I'm going to predict that both Mark Carney and Pierre Pauly have leave politics

00:36:01.040 and are dating celebrities in California by the end of the year.

00:36:05.100 I guess none of us predicted that by this time in 2025, Justin Trudeau would have left politics

00:36:13.380 and would be dating Katy Perry.

00:36:15.380 I don't know whether to be optimistic or pessimistic for the whole year.

00:36:25.280 But as I just said, I don't know that we have a strategy.

00:36:29.280 And I know I keep hearing, well, you can't have a strategy with Trump.

00:36:33.760 I think Canadians are far too emotional about Trump and they don't sit there and think rationally of what you can or can't do.

00:36:43.200 I think we've got to figure something out here.

00:36:48.260 And in one of his year-enders, Mark Carney said, well, I was really close to a deal.

00:36:53.100 And then that Doug Ford ad blew it all up.

00:36:56.000 The deal he was close to, do you know what was in it?

00:37:01.000 I do not.

00:37:03.060 Quota rate tariffs for steel.

00:37:06.000 Well, that was the original deal that he was getting close to signing.

00:37:10.960 What that means is that the United States would decide that there would be a certain amount of steel

00:37:16.500 that we could export based on the last few years of, okay, you've exported as much steel as you can, go over that.

00:37:24.500 And if you do, you'll hit a 50% tariff.

00:37:26.680 And anything below that will be 10% to 15% tariffs.

00:37:29.840 That was the deal that, according to Globe and Mail, according to several other sources, that the government has not refuted.

00:37:37.200 That was the deal that they were looking to sign in.

00:37:40.160 That, you know, from my discussion with Americans here and, well, not here, but in Washington,

00:37:46.800 and American officials up in Ottawa, that's what they're looking at for everything.

00:37:52.820 So, you know, if they decide, okay, you exported, just for talking sake, I forget the number, it's early,

00:38:00.940 I'm watching the sunrise while drinking coffee on a street corner.

00:38:03.800 Yeah, and I want to talk about year-end stuff.

00:38:05.600 I want to get macro stuff.

00:38:07.540 But the, you know, let's say they turn around and say, well, you exported 1 million cars to us on average over the last few years.

00:38:18.200 You get that, and anything above that, it's a 50% tariff, but you're paying 10% or 15% below that.

00:38:25.340 And it's 10%, by the way.

00:38:26.480 The industries all tell me they can live with it.

00:38:28.580 It's not great, but they can live with it.

00:38:31.120 But that's the deal that Carney was about to sign, and then he said Doug Ford blew it all up.

00:38:37.420 But I'm trying, I'm being Fred.

00:38:38.640 If that's our best, I'm not sure that's great.

00:38:41.580 Ginger, I'm trying to be Fred here.

00:38:43.260 I'm trying to get you to cast your mind ahead to 2026.

00:38:46.620 Are you pessimistic or optimistic?

00:38:50.040 I guess I'm pessimistic is what I'm saying, because I don't see a great trade deal ahead for us.

00:38:57.920 And I don't see us moving forward on the big projects as fast as we should.

00:39:04.660 Is Carney doing a good job?

00:39:07.140 Will he do a good job?

00:39:10.200 Yeah, I'm still sounding like Jim Belushi about last night.

00:39:15.940 At this point, we don't know.

00:39:18.860 He hasn't delivered yet.

00:39:20.780 He's delivered a couple of things that are decent, but on the big things that he promised he'd do, he hasn't delivered yet.

00:39:27.680 And we're still waiting.

00:39:28.700 And it's, you know, what was his phrase in the election?

00:39:36.500 Think big, act bigger, move speeds not seen in generations.

00:39:39.340 We're moving at speeds that are regular in Ottawa.

00:39:43.140 And we need to move faster.

00:39:45.240 We, like, Ottawa speed is the worst speed for any economy.

00:39:49.200 It's where ideas go to die, as Alan Fotheringham once said.

00:39:54.300 What about Pierre Polyev?

00:39:55.440 Does he see a few more floor crossers? 1.00

00:40:01.200 I was speaking with liberals the other day that said they're expecting as many as three new floor crossers.

00:40:08.960 So if they all come from the conservatives, then I think Polyev is toast.

00:40:13.820 You know, it's one of these things where he's winning on a bunch of issues because the liberals are moving towards him on the issues.

00:40:21.480 Immigration, crime, some economic stuff.

00:40:24.920 So he's winning on issues, but not with voters.

00:40:27.540 So, you know, good chance that he survives the January leadership review and then doesn't survive past that.

00:40:39.360 A lot of it will depend on whether there are or are not floor crossers or, you know, are the liberals just plain psychological warfare, which if I was them, I'd be trying to do as well. 0.98

00:40:49.080 And, and finally, the NDP, we don't have to spend a lot of time on them because voters, voters don't, but I am reminded, you know, far right lunatics like Trump, in my opinion, produce far, far left lunatics like Wandami is, you know, the, it looks like Canadian politics has moved to the center, depending on your point of view or to the right.

00:41:12.540 You know, you've got people, credible people calling Kearney a conservative.

00:41:16.980 Does that create an opportunity for the new Democrats?

00:41:20.420 Will we see a resurgence of the left in this country?

00:41:24.560 Well, the new Democrats did their best under Jack Layton and Tom Mulcair, and they outright rejected them.

00:41:32.740 And now they seem to be gravitating towards Avi Lewis, who says, stop funding the military.

00:41:39.320 Let's have heat pumps for all. 0.99

00:41:40.760 So, okay, this is our great national strategy now, is pull out of NATO, which some new Democrats have long called for.

00:41:51.080 Let's give everyone a heat pump and call it a day. 1.00

00:41:56.540 You know, I, I, I'm not hopeful for the NDP.

00:42:00.660 They've long served the role in our parliament, but I, I think they're headed towards, uh, was it Audrey McLaughlin?

00:42:08.380 Was that the leader who got like eight, nine percent back in the nineties?

00:42:13.820 Yeah.

00:42:14.460 Like we're headed in that direction with them.

00:42:17.040 Um, whether it's Avi Lewis or Heather McPherson or any of them, do you, like, do you see any of them resonating with voters?

00:42:26.940 I don't, I don't, but I'm a big believer in politics being like physics.

00:42:33.660 Each reaction produces an equal and opposite reaction.

00:42:37.720 That's why, you know, that's my Trump-Mondami theory or Harper-Trudeau.

00:42:42.420 If you go one way for a while, it inevitably leads to it going the other way for a while.

00:42:48.460 So it is a, it is really a pendulum and it feels like we're kind of oscillating off into a bad place.

00:42:56.320 You know, you see the Republicans, Republicans were resolutely opposed to anti-Semitism.

00:43:01.940 Now you got them kind of playing footsie with it at conventions that they're holding. 1.00

00:43:06.740 It's, it's depressing as shit. 0.98

00:43:08.680 That's one of the, that's one of the weirdest things I'm watching is that they were absolutely resolute on, on Israel and against anti-Semitism. 0.99

00:43:18.380 And, you know, you've got guys like Ben Shapiro who are still holding out and others, you know, going the other way.

00:43:27.320 As far as the new Democrats, I just, Mondani, they keep looking to him and saying, oh, he's our future.

00:43:34.780 Is Avi Lewis as charismatic as Sir Amandami?

00:43:40.900 I'm not sure.

00:43:41.700 He's been around on the Canadian scene for decades and doesn't have a huge public profile with the wider audience.

00:43:51.460 He doesn't resonate with that median voter that everyone needs to, to, you know, you don't have to gravitate towards them, but you need to, you need to get the median voter.

00:44:03.360 I don't see him doing that.

00:44:07.000 Yeah.

00:44:07.580 The, the, the Republicans are, you know, that, that's, that's probably the biggest threat headed towards the midterms is a Republican internal civil war.

00:44:21.100 Trump seems to be staying away from that.

00:44:23.560 And when he's on the ballot, they do okay.

00:44:25.980 And when he's not, they don't.

00:44:27.140 So he's trying to insert himself in the ballot, but they could rip themselves apart before they even get to the midterms.

00:44:32.860 Great.

00:44:34.020 Well, listen, my friend, uh, you enjoy the coast there and the weather it, we got a hell of a snowstorm here this week.

00:44:42.380 We just got wallop.

00:44:43.500 So it's good old fashioned Canadian snow everywhere.

00:44:46.280 So yesterday.

00:44:47.000 I won't tell you that I'm in shorts and have been watching the sunrise. 1.00

00:44:50.800 Damn you. 1.00

00:44:51.200 As we're talking. 1.00

00:44:52.580 Damn you. 1.00

00:44:53.160 Oh wait, I just did. 1.00

00:44:54.340 Oh yeah, you just did.

00:44:55.280 But listen, uh, thank you so much for your contributions and your insights this past year.

00:45:01.280 Um, most grateful for it.

00:45:03.440 I took this off with you next week.

00:45:05.260 So don't worry.

00:45:06.240 All right.

00:45:06.560 Well, in the meantime, happy new year and I'll see you next year.

00:45:10.120 All right.

00:45:10.800 Talk soon.

00:45:11.140 Just another day.

00:45:35.380 Just another fight.

00:45:39.340 I'm bleeding through my genes again.

00:45:41.860 Who doesn't love a good cry?

00:45:45.200 Just another pill.

00:45:47.660 Now I feel like I could fly.

00:45:50.800 Seeing red, seeing red again.

00:45:53.380 So don't you look me in the eye.

00:45:56.180 I feel bleeding for more than one of five days in a row.

00:46:00.340 Someone will call this 35 critical.

00:46:03.540 What I'm feeling by.

00:46:07.020 Cause I yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:46:11.960 I fear never die.

00:46:13.500 Theimee, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:46:18.120 So what's the big deal? 0.97

00:46:21.400 You think I'm full of fucking lies? 0.99

00:46:24.500 Swing her back at the pit syosing game and show me who's a tough guy. 1.00

00:46:30.340 I'm running into walls again

00:46:32.840 I'm breaking out the other side

00:46:35.340 I'm still trippin' on a problem

00:46:37.340 I'm looking for no step into my life

00:46:39.340 It's ugly and beautiful

00:46:41.340 I feel fleeting for

00:46:43.340 More than more than five days in a row

00:46:45.840 So I'm forgotten, city by critical

00:46:48.340 What I'm feeling fine

00:46:52.340 Cause I

00:46:57.340 I believe I'll never die

00:47:02.340 You seem to wonder why

00:47:08.340 I believe I'll never die

00:47:13.340 You seem to wonder 1.00

00:47:16.340 I'm done with fools like you 1.00

00:47:22.340 I'm done with fools like you 1.00

00:47:27.340 Yeah 1.00

00:47:28.340 I'm done with fools like you 1.00

00:47:32.340 Yeah 1.00

00:47:33.340 I'm done with fools like you 1.00

00:47:37.340 Cause I 1.00

00:47:38.340 Yeah

00:47:39.340 Yeah

00:47:40.340 Yeah

00:47:41.340 Yeah

00:47:42.340 I believe I'll never die

00:47:43.340 Yeah

00:47:44.340 Yeah

00:47:45.340 Yeah

00:47:46.340 Yeah

00:47:47.340 Yeah

00:47:48.340 You seem to wonder why

00:47:49.340 Yeah

00:47:50.340 Yeah

00:47:51.340 Yeah

00:47:52.340 Yeah

00:47:53.340 Yeah

00:47:54.340 Yeah

00:47:55.340 Yeah

00:47:56.340 Yeah

00:47:57.340 Yeah

00:47:58.340 Yeah

00:47:59.340 we're back and i've now gotten the dogs to be quiet and it occurred to me after speaking with

00:48:06.620 karima and brian that i may be leaving everybody super depressed and of course my monologue

00:48:13.820 probably didn't help much either and i have an obligation to achieve some balance so some

00:48:20.380 something positive some glimmer of hope for 2026 um and i thought well who better to provide a glimmer of

00:48:30.380 hope than a who is a thoughtful and reflective person and tries to be positive about the future

00:48:40.940 and the present the past and so he we're all counting on you to lift us up and lift our spirits

00:48:50.060 in a time that is profoundly and deeply shitty um how are you well right now i'm sitting in the

00:48:59.100 very quiet stillness of 15 acres of old growth forest uh there could not be a more happy and

00:49:10.300 forward-thinking place than silence with a book with the dogs and you puttering around out of my space

00:49:20.540 but i mean not everybody has got this here as i try to steer the wheel wheel back to gloom not

00:49:26.940 everybody is fortunate enough uh as we are uh to have such a place a lot of people are ending

00:49:34.060 the year uh decidedly pessimistic about the future what would you say to those people about what we can

00:49:42.140 look forward to in 2026 in the country in the province in the part of the country we live what

00:49:49.180 can you say to them to make them feel hopeful yes true um spherically not everyone has the ability

00:49:57.660 to find this type of quiet i mean the reality is is i have no idea what's going to happen in 2026 i could

00:50:06.380 align with the more pessimistic side of things and assume it's more of the worst however to your point

00:50:12.460 i do try to be as optimistic as i can and positive so i as i was reading this morning

00:50:20.380 and this sort of goes in line with if you can't if your space doesn't allow for this type of

00:50:26.140 quiet peace and thoughtful thinking there's a couple things that i do uh one is i try and uplift myself

00:50:35.980 by just remembering that the simplest thing is kindness i think people forget about it it's very

00:50:45.260 very very simple and from a sort of a pop culture point of view um i look to this one show and it's

00:50:53.420 called derek and i won't give much more information you either watched or you haven't and if you haven't

00:50:58.940 may not be for you but it reminds you about the simplest things about interacting with people

00:51:03.900 interacting throughout the world so that's one thing that i do it's a kind of trivial suggestion but

00:51:11.420 it might work for you and then speaking with this uh earlier i mentioned this quote and i've re-read it

00:51:18.780 about six times this morning and you and the quote itself is you see the more at peace you become

00:51:28.780 the less you tolerate chaos and i think that's a good lesson for most people is if you can find something

00:51:35.980 to cling to in your own life whether that's family or religion or community for me it's volunteer work

00:51:45.180 and giving more of myself in a different way and trying not to get caught up in the chaos which i

00:51:54.460 think is more what probably you and brian and uh kamira karima sorry spoke of earlier no we did well our job

00:52:04.060 you know is we're paid to document the chaos as much as we'd like to write about and film children

00:52:13.500 frolicking in fields of daisies uh regrettably that doesn't happen very much and secondly it's

00:52:19.340 not what people are looking for as much as they protest as much as they claim to be looking for that

00:52:24.860 they're not they'll slow down on the highway to look at a car crash um what do you believe

00:52:31.580 um separate and apart from that what do you believe 2026 holds there's a lot of equal economic

00:52:39.900 dislocation in the country there's not a conflict not just on the middle eastern issue um god knows

00:52:46.220 that keeps going um what do you think are things going to get better for people in 2026 you're a

00:52:53.660 business person you talk to tons of people every single day you hear from tons of people online

00:52:59.980 what do you think the new year is going to hold again that's a really tough question i mean

00:53:09.580 socio-economically no idea politically geopolitically i have no idea i'd be lying if i said i thought it

00:53:16.700 was all going to be positive because i don't necessarily think it is um i think it holds it might sound

00:53:25.180 cliche but opportunity we all have an opportunity to find something i think we live in a society of

00:53:34.380 almost a grotesque amount of more more more and very futile interactions actually and actually that

00:53:43.420 reminds me of another part of this quote which was stop explaining yourself to people committed to

00:53:48.780 misunderstanding you and unfortunately i think we live in this age of people don't want to listen

00:53:55.660 or have an understanding of things so my hope is that maybe people will try to listen more and

00:54:04.860 understand more and that could be something that might help ease some of the problems in the world

00:54:10.700 although if i'm being honest i'm not fully expecting that to be the case but it's something to hope for

00:54:17.020 it is indeed and i'm listening to you and so is everybody who's listening to this podcast

00:54:21.580 so thank you to you for your um i think hopeful perspective that was mostly hopeful not completely

00:54:29.660 but pretty hopeful and uh thank you to everybody who listens to this podcast over the past year and in

00:54:35.580 the years they've gone before and here's hoping 2026 is a good one so thank you thank you

00:54:51.900 thank you

00:55:15.340 do

00:55:21.900 B-A-G-R-G-E-A 1.00

00:55:25.900 I'm glad you didn't make it happen the wrong way

00:55:28.900 B-A-G-R-G-E-A 1.00

00:55:31.900 You'll never get it, so just forget 1.00

00:55:39.900 Shit 0.99

00:55:45.900 I just give it, I give it, I give it, I 1.00

00:55:48.900 Missed by a mob, couldn't swear it was an edge

00:55:51.900 When you told me, never talked to me again

00:55:54.900 Asked to apologize, I could not comprehend

00:55:56.900 Didn't, didn't know

00:55:59.900 Didn't, didn't know

00:56:02.900 Didn't, didn't know

00:56:05.900 Didn't, didn't know

00:56:07.900 B-A-G-R-G-E-A 1.00

00:56:10.900 I'm glad you didn't make it happen the wrong way

00:56:13.900 B-A-G-R-G-E-A 1.00

00:56:16.900 You'll never get it, so just forget

00:56:19.900 B-A-G-R-G-E-A 1.00

00:56:22.900 God damn man, you've been heading the wrong way 0.99

00:56:24.900 B-A-G-R-G-E-A 1.00

00:56:27.900 You'll never get it, so just forget

kinsellacast - December 28, 2025

KINSELLACAST 394： Sa'd, Lilley, E. on a bad year - but with the best song and LP of the year!

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