kinsellacast - KINSELLACAST 401： Tumbler Ridge, Iran Protest and more with Lilley, Sa'd, Belanger, Mulroney - plus Joyce Manor, Sprints, Lime Garden, XCOMM, Dutch Interior

00:00:00.000 It's the KinsellaCast, starring Warren Kinsella.

00:00:16.140 Hey, it's Warren. Welcome to KinsellaCast, episode 401.

00:00:20.860 Not as exciting, perhaps, as episode 400, but a great episode, nonetheless.

00:00:27.020 I've got the usual suspects in the form of Karima and Ryan and Carl.

00:00:33.860 Also, Ben Moroni is back.

00:00:35.900 And some amazing music. I've got Joyce Manor to kick things off.

00:00:39.860 They've got an album out just a few days ago called I Used to Go to This Bar,

00:00:44.320 an epitaph produced by no less than Brett Gerwitz, who is a member of Bad Religion.

00:00:50.500 I'm one of the people who runs epitaph. It's nine tracks, this album.

00:00:53.720 And I've got a great song to kick things off called I Know Where Mark Chen Lives.

00:00:58.420 Then I've got Lime Garden.

00:01:01.200 They're an all-female British kind of indie band in Brighton.

00:01:06.280 They call themselves Work Pop. Not quite sure what that means.

00:01:09.520 But they only released their debut album in 2024.

00:01:14.000 And this song is 23. It's called 23. It's about being 23.

00:01:18.200 I can't remember being 23, but I think I was.

00:01:23.360 Then I've got Sprints. Sprints are covering here a song that's more than 20 years old.

00:01:30.940 It's La Tigra's Decepticon.

00:01:32.860 And it needed a good cover. It needed to be covered by somebody.

00:01:37.140 And they did it, and they did it well.

00:01:39.340 They're an Irish garage punk band formed in Dublin in 2019.

00:01:43.400 After them, it really picked up the hardcore.

00:01:48.800 It's this band from L.A. called XCOM.

00:01:51.580 They're my new favorite band of all time of this week.

00:01:54.460 And they're just amazing.

00:01:55.740 They've got members who are as young as 14.

00:01:58.220 I think the oldest is 20.

00:02:00.120 The song is about fake ID, which, of course, when you think about it,

00:02:03.700 when you're 14, that's really all you're thinking about.

00:02:06.020 And one of these kids, one of these guys, his dad is Scott Ian of Anthrax.

00:02:12.840 And that's pretty awesome.

00:02:15.300 Then I've got Dutch Interior, who's a music project, as they call themselves,

00:02:20.920 not a band, of six guys in L.A., kind of Long Beach area.

00:02:26.300 And they do kind of alternative stuff.

00:02:29.620 And they've got a great song called Ground Scores.

00:02:32.500 Anyway, sad week, a challenging week.

00:02:38.320 Mass shootings happen often in the United States.

00:02:42.280 So naturally, there are people who collect data about the subject.

00:02:48.240 95% of the killers are male, according to these folks, although I've heard 85%.

00:02:53.920 More than half of them are white.

00:02:56.280 About a third of the mass murders happen in workplaces,

00:02:59.820 a quarter of them in schools in the United States.

00:03:02.760 Handguns are used 75% of the time, followed by rifles and then shotguns.

00:03:07.880 And the killers tend to be 35 years of age, on average.

00:03:12.780 And in that troubled country, because they are troubled,

00:03:15.860 since 1966, thousands of people have been killed.

00:03:20.000 And many more than that have been injured in mass shootings.

00:03:23.500 And they're happening more and more often now.

00:03:26.480 Since 2019, there's effectively been a mass killing every single day,

00:03:31.900 sometimes twice a day.

00:03:33.900 And in Canada, as everybody knows,

00:03:36.540 we don't have mass shootings happening as often,

00:03:39.400 because we don't make it easy for sick people to get their hands on guns designed for wartime.

00:03:46.240 But here, like in America, they still happen.

00:03:49.300 And this week, it happened again.

00:03:51.020 In a tiny town, in a faraway corner of the country,

00:03:54.800 where such a horror was supposed to be impossible.

00:03:58.820 At one of their early press conferences,

00:04:02.020 the RCMP confirmed that the shooter was somebody who was trans.

00:04:08.320 I didn't watch the entire press conference,

00:04:10.160 so I didn't know if they'd made that statement in response to a question.

00:04:16.020 Apparently, it was.

00:04:17.000 Or if they just said it without being asked.

00:04:18.900 But anyway, either way, I knew what my reaction was.

00:04:21.720 It's like, oh, here we go.

00:04:24.060 Like, we live in an age of extraordinary cruelty,

00:04:27.560 which manifests itself in all of the ordinary ways.

00:04:31.860 Racism and Jew hatred and Islamophobia

00:04:34.300 and misogyny and child abuse and on and on and on.

00:04:37.300 And in these dark days, people who are transsexual,

00:04:41.220 that is, the puny fraction of 1% of the population

00:04:46.020 who have a gender that they genuinely do not feel is theirs,

00:04:50.260 have come in for more than their fair share of hate.

00:04:54.460 And race usually comes first, the statisticians say,

00:04:58.860 followed by religion, then sexual orientation.

00:05:01.040 But hate crimes directed against trans people is number four

00:05:05.260 and gaining between 2020 and 2023 alone.

00:05:10.780 Hate crimes against trans people grew by 151% in Canada.

00:05:15.640 And when other mass shootings had happened,

00:05:18.260 I really can't recall an RCMP spokesperson

00:05:21.500 standing behind a podium and saying,

00:05:23.740 the shooter was heterosexual.

00:05:26.400 Like, that would be odd, wouldn't it?

00:05:28.560 But that's kind of what the Mounties did in reverse in Tumblr Ridge.

00:05:32.100 Maybe they had a reason for doing so,

00:05:34.600 but I can't imagine what it would be.

00:05:37.260 Anyway, it's been an awful week,

00:05:39.520 but I did think it was awesome and wonderful

00:05:42.200 to see Mark Carney and Pierre Polyev hand-in-hand

00:05:45.220 praying together for the victims of Tumblr Ridge,

00:05:49.260 in Tumblr Ridge.

00:05:50.680 And it made me kind of proud to be Canadian.

00:05:53.280 It is so, so different from the hate

00:05:57.420 that has now become the biggest export

00:05:59.760 from the United States of America.

00:06:02.860 So, we've got a great show for you,

00:06:04.700 talking about that, talking about Lent,

00:06:06.860 talking about Iran, talking about separatists,

00:06:08.980 you name it.

00:06:10.300 Welcome to the Kinsella cast.

00:06:12.040 Kinsella cast.

00:06:42.320 What an alter-dress, a pair of bony legs?

00:06:45.680 Is it real, can it feel when you're bashing the head?

00:06:48.660 When someone talks a lot, it's like the cannabis shop.

00:06:51.880 Hey, give me all the money, baby, no one can't shot.

00:06:55.340 Trade coming down the track

00:06:57.940 and it almost gave me a heart attack.

00:07:01.560 Fake trade coming down the track

00:07:04.100 and it almost gave me a heart attack.

00:07:07.340 You fight back tears of persecution

00:07:11.180 Side search for something I see

00:07:17.940 You tend to some obligation

00:07:23.420 And I'll just stay out of the way

00:07:30.300 Fright Ride coming down the track

00:07:41.020 And it almost gave me a heart attack

00:07:50.220 Fright Ride coming down the track

00:07:53.240 And it almost gave me a heart attack

00:07:56.400 And we're back, we're back with our friend Carl Belozier

00:07:59.960 Carl, the Quebec Liberal Party is trying to remove all vestiges, the shadow that Pablo

00:08:08.160 Rodriguez cast over the proceedings, and they've got a new leader.

00:08:12.920 So who is the new leader of the Quebec Liberal Party, and does it matter?

00:08:18.500 It does matter, of course, because the Liberals have been the historic foe of the Quebec separatists,

00:08:25.200 the PQ, who are now in the lead in the polls and have been for quite some time.

00:08:30.220 Charles Miliard is the new leader.

00:08:31.940 He finished second behind Pablo Rodriguez his last time, and he's a pharmacist by training.

00:08:39.960 He built up a career as a businessman with the company Unipri before moving on to public relations

00:08:49.180 with the national cabinet.

00:08:51.680 He is young, he's 46 or 47, and he is clearly, you know, what Quebecers call and see as a

00:09:03.400 purlin, you know, he's a Quebecois.

00:09:07.140 And for the Liberals, it's interesting to see that candidacy, which, you know, he was born

00:09:12.160 in Levy, which is outside of the Montreal region.

00:09:16.600 And that's, you know, that's a region where the Liberals are trailing badly in the polls.

00:09:20.380 I got to say, though, Warren, that after Pablo's departure, the Liberals kind of collapsed in

00:09:24.800 the polls, but they're back up to where they were in the mid-20s, which is good news for

00:09:30.180 the Liberals.

00:09:30.700 And they're only six points back from the PQ in the last Leger poll that was released.

00:09:38.300 And that's a big change.

00:09:39.540 And Levy is where we had an Olympian from this week who won a medal.

00:09:43.920 So, Levy, now he is, he's young, he's openly gay.

00:09:49.660 Does that matter in Quebec in this day and age?

00:09:52.680 It didn't in Ontario with Kathleen Wynne.

00:09:54.560 Well, I don't think it does, frankly.

00:10:00.360 He's not the only gay leader.

00:10:02.800 No, it's not a big deal.

00:10:04.660 Like the Conservative leader, if you can believe it, is gay.

00:10:07.420 And openly so.

00:10:09.280 And so the Liberal leader joins him.

00:10:12.040 I don't think it will be a factor at all.

00:10:15.060 I think the fact that he's young is interesting because now that Legault is leaving,

00:10:22.960 the leaders are basically a new generation of politicians, with Paul Saint-Pierre Lamandeau also

00:10:28.620 in his 40s.

00:10:30.320 Eric Durham from the Conservatives is in his mid-50s.

00:10:35.100 The Quebec Solidaires co-leaders are also quite young.

00:10:38.360 We'll see what happens with the CAQ, which the leadership race is still going on and will

00:10:44.900 be going on for a few more weeks now.

00:10:47.640 So, but for the Liberals, it's interesting because they are trying to position themselves

00:10:52.480 as the alternative, the governmental alternative to the Coalition Avenir Québec.

00:10:57.240 But also, they are the main opponent to the Parti Québécois.

00:11:01.500 And they love talking about referendum.

00:11:04.320 They love talking about it.

00:11:06.780 They are able to unite people behind their brand because of it.

00:11:09.920 So, we could go back, we could reverse the political landscape to what it once was between

00:11:17.680 the separatists and the federalists.

00:11:19.780 The biggest problem for the provincial Liberals right now, and has been for quite some time,

00:11:23.460 is Francophone voters are not there anymore.

00:11:26.800 They are running a distant third, sometimes in fourth place amongst Francophone voters.

00:11:30.560 And, you know, even though they're in the mid-20s in the polls, well, there's 65% of non-Francophones

00:11:36.760 that support the Liberals, but about around 15% to 20% who are Francophones who are supporting

00:11:42.760 them.

00:11:43.260 That's the biggest problem.

00:11:45.200 Let's talk a little bit more about separatists in both the Western and Quebec variety.

00:11:50.340 So, the separatists, self-described separatists in Alberta have, it's been confirmed, have met

00:11:58.180 with some representatives of the Trump administration.

00:12:03.580 But the Alberta separatists, I can say from my own personal experience, are idiots.

00:12:09.240 The ones in Quebec are not.

00:12:11.380 And there are rumors that they too have had some kind of interaction with the Trump people.

00:12:17.020 Like, what possible advantage, if it's true, would there be for people who are separatists

00:12:23.860 or nationalists in Quebec to meet with the Trump administration?

00:12:26.480 That seems to me to be a very foolish thing.

00:12:31.020 Well, you know, the Quebec separatists have, for a very long time, established relationships

00:12:38.840 with the American administration.

00:12:40.440 And to them, it's about creating a relationship to make sure that the Americans don't intervene

00:12:47.880 in the process and, you know, maybe even step up and recognize an independent Quebec after

00:12:54.180 a referendum, because international recognition is key for you to affirm your sovereignty.

00:12:59.920 So, I mean, Quebecers won't read too much into it, frankly, because it's kind of part of what

00:13:08.180 has been happening ever since René Lévesque took power in 1976.

00:13:12.900 Like, these meetings happened with the American administration, with other countries as well,

00:13:16.500 with the French especially.

00:13:18.600 So, I wouldn't read too much into it.

00:13:23.900 What's interesting to me is the relationship between the Parti Québécois, its leader, and

00:13:32.040 the Alberta separatists, because, I mean, they are a fairly far-right group in Alberta that

00:13:40.920 are advocating for separation.

00:13:43.280 That's for sure.

00:13:43.920 And the PQ traditionally have been social democrats.

00:13:47.740 But it feels like that's no longer the case.

00:13:54.040 And the fact that they are establishing links and working together, I mean, there's a tactical

00:13:59.000 advantage for the PQ, you know, if there's another movement that is successful, because

00:14:03.080 it will help their own cause, in a way, because Canada will be no longer where it was, and may

00:14:09.420 just explode, which will bolster their case, of course.

00:14:12.780 So, but at the same time, the PQ leader is trying to diminish those links, while the

00:14:20.240 Alberta separatists are trying to, you know, to serve on that kind of relationship with

00:14:27.980 the Quebecers.

00:14:29.080 So, I find that really fascinating, because it's never really happened before that the

00:14:33.540 Quebec separatists were talking with another group of Canadian separatists.

00:14:37.520 Something else that's fascinating, maybe we can end here, is the evolving relationship

00:14:43.480 between Mark Carney and Pierre Polyev.

00:14:47.300 We've seen now, all of us, that extraordinary photo of the two of them hand-in-hand, praying

00:14:53.520 and remembering the children, those who lost their lives at the mass shooting in Tumblr

00:15:00.420 Ridge on Tuesday.

00:15:01.440 Extraordinary photograph, and then preceded by the two of them coming together in Carney's

00:15:07.760 office to talk about the future of the country, and so on.

00:15:12.340 I mean, is this something that's happening because Carney needs Polyev to pass his budget

00:15:17.940 and keep his government alive, or is there something more meaningful happening, do you think?

00:15:23.720 Yeah, it's interesting.

00:15:25.060 It almost feels like Pierre Polyev understands now that he needs to be seen as a statement

00:15:30.320 of some sort, as opposed to the opposition attack dog that he has been successfully.

00:15:36.640 Like, even when he was a minister, you will recall, he was always on the offense.

00:15:40.680 He was always on the attack.

00:15:43.800 And Canadians have, you know, learned to know him and get to know him as such.

00:15:48.860 And I think that's been an impediment to his capacity to convince Canadians that he could

00:15:52.560 be prime minister.

00:15:53.340 And so, I think, in a way, Polyev needs Carney more than Carney needs Polyev.

00:16:00.540 Polyev needs to be treated as an equal by Carney, in a way, as the real opponent, as the guy

00:16:07.200 that could succeed him as the prime minister in waiting.

00:16:09.940 It's not the label that we've attached to Polyev so far.

00:16:13.860 But certainly, since the beginning of the year, it feels like his approach has been a little

00:16:20.980 more subdued.

00:16:24.340 And those photos with the prime minister makes Polyev look good.

00:16:29.680 They make him look like he could be a statesman.

00:16:33.420 And it's not something that most people would have said about him before.

00:16:36.940 That's for sure.

00:16:38.680 It's just fascinating to see.

00:16:40.500 And it's nice to see, as corny as I sound, it's nice to see our leaders coming together

00:16:46.460 and not always, you know, chirping at each other and attacking each other.

00:16:51.280 It was something I think the country needed in this sad week.

00:16:55.220 Yeah.

00:16:55.620 My friend, thank you so much again for your wisdom and your insight.

00:16:59.620 Have a wonderful day and a wonderful week.

00:17:02.160 Thank you, Warren.

00:17:02.960 Thanks, Mike.

00:17:04.240 Could you turn the music off a teeny bit so I can...

00:17:06.740 Fucking Lelouch.

00:17:17.620 Yeah, I'd love you.

00:17:21.140 It's 17.

00:17:22.340 I had the world on my hands and I'm 23.

00:17:24.440 I just lost it.

00:17:26.000 Something about the fact I'm losing my edge.

00:17:28.300 I'm getting further away from a profit.

00:17:30.980 So just try me on for size.

00:17:35.400 I know I'm getting slightly wide.

00:17:40.400 Don't come for me.

00:17:42.700 Not like that.

00:17:44.300 Cause I'm coming around.

00:17:46.600 Yeah, it's coming around.

00:17:49.480 At 23, I had the world on my hands and at 24.

00:17:53.040 I just lost it.

00:17:54.440 Something about the fact I could further away from when I started out.

00:17:57.920 I'm here for it.

00:17:59.120 So I cry to sleep at night.

00:18:03.600 Looking back on all this wasted time.

00:18:08.780 Don't come for me.

00:18:10.260 Don't come for me.

00:18:10.760 Don't come for me.

00:18:10.840 Not like that.

00:18:12.800 Cause I'm coming around.

00:18:14.420 Yeah, it's coming around.

00:18:16.900 Yeah, I'm coming around.

00:18:18.900 Yeah, it's coming around.

00:18:21.340 So just God forbid I let it happen.

00:18:28.140 Watch me decompose while striking a pose.

00:18:33.120 Cause I can't feel myself getting overgrown.

00:18:37.540 I can't face it anymore.

00:18:42.180 I don't want you by the door.

00:18:44.540 Cause I, I, I, I'm coming around.

00:18:47.140 I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I.

00:18:51.780 I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I.

00:18:53.600 I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I and I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I.

00:19:05.840 At 17, I had the world in my hands and eventually I just lost it

00:19:10.340 But then you think back about how close you were and how not being alive is a profit

00:19:14.840 So I try to breathe at night

00:19:19.740 Holding close, the ones that get me high

00:19:24.440 Don't come for me, not like that

00:19:28.780 Cause I'm coming around, yeah it's coming around

00:19:32.660 And we're back, we're back with our friend Karima San

00:19:51.780 And Karima, like 350,000 people, that's what they're estimating

00:19:57.620 Attended this protest against the Iranian regime

00:20:01.760 In Toronto, there were protests around the world

00:20:05.800 But 350,000 people

00:20:08.500 I did a little bit of research

00:20:10.960 You know, there was a National Day of Protests in 1976

00:20:16.440 There was the Ferry Creek blockades in about 20 years ago

00:20:21.440 The Winnipeg General Strike, of course, in 1919

00:20:24.240 But 350,000, that's one of the biggest protests I think I've ever heard of

00:20:31.480 What's your take?

00:20:34.340 It's huge

00:20:35.480 It's bigger by far than anything else I've covered in the past five years

00:20:42.120 You know, including the convoy

00:20:44.860 Including some of the worldwide rallies for freedom

00:20:48.100 Or massive Palestinian marches

00:20:50.480 Like we've seen thousands of people on the streets before

00:20:53.960 But this was at a different scale

00:20:56.960 And really actually hard to fathom when in the crowd

00:21:01.680 Because it's just people everywhere

00:21:04.460 Now let's talk

00:21:05.860 Before I started recording

00:21:08.580 You and I were talking about

00:21:10.200 Because I've been a cop reporter

00:21:12.160 And you've been covering these protests for years

00:21:14.680 And are the leading expert on them in Canada

00:21:18.260 Like how do they know that they had 350,000 people there?

00:21:24.320 So I would imagine that

00:21:27.180 Like there were drones

00:21:28.940 And some of those surely were police drones

00:21:32.020 Police also would have a sense based on

00:21:37.680 You know, where they position themselves

00:21:39.940 Kind of what the crowd size might be

00:21:43.000 So I assume that's where the media is getting its numbers from

00:21:47.560 And then, you know, the police have their methods of estimating

00:21:53.340 What is noteworthy since we're talking about police

00:21:56.500 Is for such a large crowd

00:21:59.160 You know, it really was a relatively seamless operation

00:22:04.720 There were no, at least not to our observation

00:22:09.820 Conflicts with bystanders or fights within the crowd

00:22:14.480 Or fights between protesters and police

00:22:17.860 I think I saw a tweet with maybe one arrest

00:22:20.500 That had taken place

00:22:21.580 And I'm not sure what the circumstances were there

00:22:24.720 But for such a large group

00:22:28.440 It was, you know, a fairly

00:22:31.680 Like it ran really smooth

00:22:34.800 Why was it so big?

00:22:37.800 Like what made this protest different

00:22:41.020 Than so many others that you've covered

00:22:43.460 And so many others that we've all seen?

00:22:45.500 That's a really good question

00:22:48.360 One possible answer

00:22:51.780 That I've discerned from speaking with an Iranian-Canadian

00:22:57.580 Is that people are rallying around an individual

00:23:02.480 They are rallying around the Shah

00:23:04.460 So this is not a leaderless movement

00:23:06.480 This is one where there can actually be

00:23:10.420 Some level of top-down directive

00:23:13.080 And so if people understand

00:23:16.320 That their leader wants them on the street

00:23:19.300 That's how they respond

00:23:21.200 And I think that that is, you know

00:23:25.060 In contrast to many of the other movements

00:23:30.400 That I've covered

00:23:31.540 Those do tend to be leaderless

00:23:35.540 In the sense of a hierarchy

00:23:37.260 Obviously leaders emerge

00:23:39.100 But here the group was rallying

00:23:41.800 All behind the same individual

00:23:44.520 Now I was reading an interview

00:23:47.420 In The Economist with that individual

00:23:49.460 The son of the Shah

00:23:50.420 His father was an abuser of human rights

00:23:54.840 And, you know, led Iran in such a way

00:24:00.980 In the 60s and the 70s

00:24:02.760 That it created the environment

00:24:04.560 For the Ayatollahs take over in 1979

00:24:07.040 The Economist suggested that, you know

00:24:10.460 Beyond social media

00:24:11.840 He really isn't a leader

00:24:13.740 Their view was that

00:24:16.340 This feels like a populist thing

00:24:19.020 That is happening

00:24:19.920 And that, you know

00:24:22.000 Whether it's from a feminist perspective

00:24:23.880 Or a religious perspective

00:24:25.340 Or what have you

00:24:26.280 But it really seems to be

00:24:28.740 A lot of people coming together

00:24:30.280 Under the banner of secularism

00:24:32.460 And modernism

00:24:33.480 And wanting to move Iran

00:24:35.880 Into this century

00:24:37.520 As opposed to staying in a

00:24:39.320 You know, a previous century

00:24:41.280 What's your view on that?

00:24:43.480 Based upon the signage

00:24:45.000 And the people

00:24:45.720 And I know your videographer

00:24:47.580 Was there interviewing people

00:24:49.060 What were they saying

00:24:50.420 About why they were there?

00:24:53.260 So absolutely

00:24:54.580 Secularism was a theme

00:24:57.180 Of the day

00:24:59.540 And wanting an end

00:25:01.560 To the Islamic regime

00:25:03.200 There was a pretty strong

00:25:06.700 Pro-monarchy sentiment

00:25:07.980 And maybe that was

00:25:09.620 Just sort of the

00:25:10.780 With that many people

00:25:13.880 It's impossible

00:25:14.640 To get a sense

00:25:17.120 From everyone

00:25:17.900 But that was

00:25:19.480 The prevailing sentiment

00:25:21.080 That we encountered

00:25:23.080 I don't think

00:25:24.980 That that's not

00:25:26.180 Mutually exclusive

00:25:27.560 With the goals

00:25:29.100 Of secularism

00:25:30.020 I'm no expert

00:25:31.360 On Iranian history

00:25:33.920 Or, you know

00:25:35.720 Sort of their internal

00:25:36.820 Politics

00:25:37.720 I do know

00:25:39.880 That the

00:25:40.560 Criticism

00:25:41.920 Of

00:25:42.660 You know

00:25:44.760 The

00:25:45.260 Original Shah

00:25:46.920 The one who was deposed

00:25:48.240 Some of those

00:25:49.900 Have been waved away

00:25:50.960 As

00:25:51.540 Kind of

00:25:52.180 There's always been

00:25:53.160 Corruption

00:25:53.680 Everyone has corruption

00:25:54.820 It's just different

00:25:55.500 Forms of corruption

00:25:56.360 And it's worse now

00:25:57.820 Like what happened

00:25:58.720 After was worse

00:25:59.840 Than what it was

00:26:00.760 And, you know

00:26:02.300 This isn't

00:26:03.120 A perfect system

00:26:04.440 But it's

00:26:05.340 Kind of a

00:26:05.720 Constitutional democracy

00:26:07.020 And so

00:26:07.540 Those are at least

00:26:08.640 Some of

00:26:09.000 What I gleaned

00:26:10.560 From the audience

00:26:11.560 And I think people

00:26:12.400 Will have

00:26:12.980 Different perspectives

00:26:14.540 Also to your point

00:26:16.880 The

00:26:18.540 The reports

00:26:20.040 That are coming out

00:26:21.060 From Iran

00:26:22.540 About the

00:26:23.520 The internet blackouts

00:26:25.520 And the brutality

00:26:26.540 Against protesters

00:26:27.720 And

00:26:28.400 Sort of

00:26:29.120 That

00:26:29.440 Level

00:26:30.700 Of

00:26:31.520 Just

00:26:32.520 Hideous

00:26:33.600 Behavior

00:26:34.300 Is certainly

00:26:35.660 Motivating

00:26:36.980 People

00:26:37.820 To take this stand

00:26:39.300 And

00:26:40.000 They seem to want

00:26:41.140 Their country back

00:26:41.980 That would be

00:26:43.100 Kind of another

00:26:44.080 Prevailing theme

00:26:45.380 That they want

00:26:46.140 Things to go back

00:26:47.560 As they were

00:26:48.760 There was

00:26:49.920 Part of the crowd

00:26:51.180 Before

00:26:52.440 And during

00:26:53.380 And now

00:26:53.900 After

00:26:54.480 You can see it online

00:26:55.580 Is

00:26:57.100 Our friends

00:26:58.360 In the Jewish community

00:26:59.320 Are

00:27:00.280 You know

00:27:00.840 They attended

00:27:01.520 The protest

00:27:02.200 They promoted

00:27:03.160 The protest

00:27:03.800 They were

00:27:05.280 Super excited

00:27:06.660 And positive

00:27:08.720 About what happened there

00:27:09.880 Why are so many

00:27:11.100 Jewish Canadians

00:27:11.920 So preoccupied

00:27:13.220 With

00:27:13.680 The future of Iran

00:27:15.000 So the answers

00:27:17.920 That I've heard

00:27:18.780 To that question

00:27:19.820 Include

00:27:21.380 That there is

00:27:22.120 This historic

00:27:22.960 Ancient

00:27:23.820 Alliance

00:27:25.020 Between

00:27:25.600 Persians

00:27:26.520 And Jews

00:27:27.540 That

00:27:28.880 You know

00:27:29.280 Dating back

00:27:29.880 To Cyrus

00:27:30.760 The Great

00:27:31.480 And I also

00:27:34.540 Heard

00:27:35.140 From some

00:27:36.160 Individuals

00:27:36.980 That

00:27:37.280 You know

00:27:38.100 There was a

00:27:40.700 Sense of

00:27:41.260 Not wanting

00:27:42.240 This

00:27:43.820 Group of

00:27:45.000 Iranian

00:27:45.520 Protesters

00:27:46.340 To feel like

00:27:47.000 They're alone

00:27:47.600 And to show

00:27:48.860 Solidarity

00:27:49.720 And I

00:27:50.680 Think that

00:27:51.340 There have been

00:27:51.800 At least

00:27:52.220 Some

00:27:52.800 Lion and

00:27:55.700 Sun

00:27:56.040 Flags

00:27:56.980 At

00:27:57.820 Various

00:27:58.620 Pro-Israel

00:27:59.400 Protests

00:28:00.060 Over the

00:28:00.540 Past few

00:28:01.040 Years

00:28:01.440 So whether

00:28:02.520 This is a

00:28:03.100 Form of

00:28:03.700 Reciprocity

00:28:05.380 Or

00:28:06.580 You know

00:28:07.540 Acknowledging

00:28:09.060 That support

00:28:10.200 You know

00:28:11.940 That's

00:28:12.420 What I heard

00:28:15.140 From some

00:28:15.740 Of the people

00:28:16.340 Carrying

00:28:17.260 Israeli flags

00:28:18.120 Final question

00:28:19.600 Will it matter?

00:28:21.560 350,000 people

00:28:23.080 It's a huge

00:28:23.920 Organizational

00:28:24.980 Success

00:28:25.640 For this

00:28:26.520 To happen

00:28:27.180 In the

00:28:27.680 Middle of

00:28:28.040 A cold

00:28:28.740 February

00:28:29.880 Is a

00:28:31.380 Success

00:28:32.000 You know

00:28:34.000 It went

00:28:34.560 Off without

00:28:35.240 You know

00:28:36.020 Any kind

00:28:36.640 Of confrontation

00:28:37.580 Like we've

00:28:38.800 Seen

00:28:39.160 Some of

00:28:39.840 The

00:28:40.140 Protests

00:28:41.260 Against

00:28:41.680 Israel

00:28:42.260 That was

00:28:43.140 A success

00:28:43.800 Why

00:28:44.720 What impact

00:28:46.620 Do you think

00:28:47.460 Any of this

00:28:48.060 Is going to

00:28:48.440 Have

00:28:48.980 On a

00:28:50.380 Repression

00:28:51.020 Repressive

00:28:51.780 Regime

00:28:52.360 In far away

00:28:53.060 Iran

00:28:53.420 Is it going

00:28:53.940 To matter

00:28:54.260 In the end

00:28:54.660 Of the day?

00:28:55.640 Well I don't

00:28:57.920 Think Iran

00:28:58.920 Wakes up

00:28:59.500 Necessarily

00:29:00.220 And you

00:29:01.460 Know rushes

00:29:02.040 To see

00:29:02.540 How Canadians

00:29:03.500 Feel

00:29:04.080 About the

00:29:05.160 Regime

00:29:05.660 But

00:29:06.560 There

00:29:08.560 You know

00:29:09.360 There can

00:29:09.700 Be multiple

00:29:10.320 Objectives

00:29:12.260 Sometimes

00:29:13.000 Overlapping

00:29:13.680 For protests

00:29:14.440 So as a

00:29:15.620 Form of

00:29:16.120 Catharsis

00:29:16.860 For the

00:29:17.260 People

00:29:17.560 Involved

00:29:18.260 I think

00:29:18.600 This was

00:29:19.140 A massive

00:29:20.200 Success

00:29:21.060 In terms

00:29:22.400 Of raising

00:29:22.920 Awareness

00:29:23.680 About the

00:29:24.220 Issues

00:29:24.760 You know

00:29:25.820 I think

00:29:26.360 That was

00:29:26.960 A success

00:29:27.600 And could

00:29:29.460 It have

00:29:30.160 An impact

00:29:31.040 Sort of

00:29:33.220 In

00:29:33.700 At the

00:29:35.200 Federal level

00:29:35.960 For example

00:29:36.660 Letting

00:29:38.020 Politicians

00:29:38.720 Know

00:29:39.140 That

00:29:39.640 There is

00:29:41.280 Concern

00:29:42.420 About this

00:29:43.040 Particular

00:29:43.560 Foreign

00:29:44.340 Issue

00:29:44.960 And maybe

00:29:45.980 Getting

00:29:46.400 Canada

00:29:46.940 To change

00:29:49.000 Some of

00:29:49.700 Its

00:29:49.920 Dealings

00:29:50.660 That's

00:29:51.640 A real

00:29:52.260 Possibility

00:29:52.940 I don't

00:29:53.800 Know to

00:29:54.140 What extent

00:29:54.780 Sort of

00:29:55.300 There were

00:29:55.580 Concrete

00:29:56.160 Demands

00:29:57.160 For that

00:29:57.600 To happen

00:29:58.200 But

00:29:59.280 With such

00:30:01.000 A significant

00:30:01.720 Turnout

00:30:02.720 Of people

00:30:03.260 You know

00:30:04.540 That would

00:30:04.900 Be a

00:30:05.500 Predictable

00:30:06.640 Outcome

00:30:07.160 Attempts

00:30:07.760 To

00:30:08.160 Sort of

00:30:08.760 Influence

00:30:09.300 Those levers

00:30:10.040 Of power

00:30:11.140 So you

00:30:13.580 Know

00:30:13.740 What does

00:30:14.580 Any protest

00:30:15.120 Matter

00:30:15.660 Sometimes it's

00:30:17.160 In the eye

00:30:17.620 Of the

00:30:18.260 Beholder

00:30:18.720 Right

00:30:19.140 But with

00:30:21.760 Something this

00:30:22.380 Size

00:30:22.820 Difficult to

00:30:24.300 Ignore

00:30:24.720 And I

00:30:25.920 Will also

00:30:26.460 Say

00:30:26.880 There were

00:30:28.080 Some

00:30:28.400 Lamentations

00:30:29.280 That I've

00:30:30.200 Observed

00:30:30.680 Online

00:30:31.620 With people

00:30:32.760 Sort of

00:30:33.480 Why can't

00:30:34.280 We rally

00:30:34.960 Around

00:30:35.560 Our

00:30:36.320 Domestic

00:30:36.860 Issues

00:30:37.640 As

00:30:38.340 Effectively

00:30:39.140 As we

00:30:40.540 Do for

00:30:41.260 Foreign

00:30:41.860 Conflicts

00:30:42.580 And I

00:30:43.800 Think that

00:30:44.520 As well

00:30:45.200 Like that

00:30:45.540 Reactionary

00:30:46.320 Sentiment

00:30:46.920 I don't

00:30:48.160 Mean

00:30:48.320 Reactionary

00:30:49.200 In a

00:30:49.580 Dismissive

00:30:50.880 Or derogative

00:30:51.820 Way

00:30:52.080 Just there

00:30:53.040 Will be

00:30:53.620 Reaction

00:30:54.640 At that

00:30:56.540 Level

00:30:56.900 As well

00:30:57.520 Well said

00:30:59.240 Well

00:30:59.600 Incredible

00:31:00.200 Event

00:31:00.680 And we're

00:31:01.060 Very grateful

00:31:01.660 That you

00:31:02.720 And your

00:31:03.100 Team were

00:31:03.540 There to

00:31:04.060 Keep an

00:31:04.500 Eye on

00:31:04.840 It for

00:31:05.140 Us

00:31:05.360 So

00:31:05.700 Thank you

00:31:06.520 For that

00:31:06.920 And have

00:31:08.020 A great

00:31:08.300 Day and

00:31:08.620 A great

00:31:08.860 Week

00:31:24.640 Every

00:31:34.460 Every

00:31:34.540 Day and

00:31:35.260 Night

00:31:36.460 Every

00:31:37.400 Day and

00:31:38.120 Night

00:31:38.600 I can

00:31:40.340 I can

00:31:40.360 See

00:31:40.660 I can see

00:31:40.700 Your

00:31:41.040 Disco

00:31:41.720 Disco

00:31:42.460 Dick

00:31:42.760 Is

00:31:42.920 Sucking

00:31:43.140 My

00:31:43.560 Heart

00:31:44.000 Out of

00:31:44.400 My

00:31:44.660 Mind

00:31:45.440 I'm

00:31:45.880 Out of

00:31:46.160 Time

00:31:46.500 I'm

00:31:46.960 Out of

00:31:47.260 Fucking

00:31:47.520 Time

00:31:47.880 I'm a

00:31:48.380 Gasoline

00:31:48.980 God

00:31:49.300 With

00:31:49.640 A

00:31:49.800 Vaseline

00:31:50.320 Mind

00:31:51.260 Want a

00:31:52.000 Disco

00:31:52.580 Want to

00:31:53.060 See me

00:31:53.400 Disco

00:31:53.960 Let me

00:31:54.500 Hear

00:31:54.800 You

00:31:55.080 Deep

00:31:55.440 And

00:31:55.660 In

00:31:55.840 Size

00:31:56.220 My

00:31:56.600 Lime

00:31:57.080 One

00:31:57.780 Two

00:31:58.480 Three

00:31:59.220 Four

00:31:59.880 You

00:32:00.120 Get

00:32:00.340 What

00:32:00.800 You

00:32:01.100 Been

00:32:01.400 Asking

00:32:01.900 For

00:32:02.360 You

00:32:02.560 So

00:32:02.720 Policy

00:32:03.220 Free

00:32:03.700 And

00:32:04.040 Your

00:32:04.220 Fantasy

00:32:04.640 Wheels

00:32:05.220 And

00:32:05.460 Everything

00:32:06.060 You

00:32:06.360 Think

00:32:06.800 And

00:32:06.980 Every

00:32:07.460 You

00:32:07.820 Feel

00:32:08.120 Is

00:32:08.300 All right

00:32:09.040 All right

00:32:09.800 All right

00:32:10.580 All right

00:32:11.220 All right

00:32:12.420 All right

00:32:12.580 All right

00:32:24.800 I

00:32:26.200 Take

00:32:26.460 You

00:32:26.600 All

00:32:26.940 Now

00:32:27.240 Watch

00:32:27.540 Me

00:32:27.700 Get

00:32:28.000 You

00:32:28.340 High

00:32:28.740 You

00:32:29.140 Like

00:32:29.360 A

00:32:29.540 Parrot

00:32:29.860 When

00:32:30.040 You

00:32:30.120 Screaming

00:32:30.540 And

00:32:30.780 You

00:32:30.900 Shouting

00:32:31.220 More

00:32:31.580 Crackers

00:32:32.180 Please

00:32:32.600 More

00:32:33.060 Crackers

00:32:33.640 Please

00:32:34.100 You

00:32:34.580 Want

00:32:34.900 What

00:32:35.120 You

00:32:35.300 Want

00:32:35.560 You

00:32:35.700 Want

00:32:35.900 To

00:32:36.020 Be

00:32:36.180 On

00:32:36.400 Your

00:32:36.540 Knees

00:32:36.880 So

00:32:37.040 Tell

00:32:37.280 Me

00:32:37.520 Who

00:32:38.040 Does

00:32:38.380 Your

00:32:38.840 Who

00:32:39.520 Does

00:32:39.840 Your

00:32:40.180 Hair

00:32:41.320 Bis

00:33:04.120 You

00:33:04.280 Have

00:33:07.960 You

00:33:09.060 You

00:33:10.060 You

00:33:10.240 You

00:33:10.740 You

00:33:11.240 I'm the new, I'm the new

00:33:14.840 You're but a new man that throws you, you're bad

00:33:20.860 You're cool and I hardly wanna say not

00:33:24.060 Because I'm so bored

00:33:26.120 I could be entertained even by a super-fucking linoleum floor

00:33:30.540 Linoleum floor

00:33:32.000 Your lyrics are dumb like a linoleum floor

00:33:34.880 I'll walk on it, I'll walk over you

00:33:37.860 Walk on it, walk on it, walk on it too

00:33:40.980 Too, too, too, too

00:33:58.120 Who drew the bomb

00:33:59.100 Who drew the bomb

00:34:01.820 Who drew the bomb

00:34:03.320 Who drew the bomb

00:34:05.260 Who drew the bomb

00:34:07.860 Who drew the bomb

00:34:10.100 see you later see you later see you later see you later and we're back we're back with our

00:34:23.380 friend brian lilly and brian's back in canada um and um you know out of this sad week brian

00:34:31.060 um there was the terrible events on tuesday in tumblr ridge where children 12 and 13 years old

00:34:38.100 were cut down uh by a very troubled person obviously troubled person and there's going

00:34:45.540 to be all kinds of discussion and reporting and investigation into what happened and how that

00:34:51.780 happened but there's been some positive things this week and i i just wanted to start off by

00:34:57.140 talking about a photograph an extraordinary photograph um i think it'll win awards of

00:35:04.580 pierre polyev and mark carney uh hand in hand praying in tumblr ridge for those who lost their

00:35:12.740 lives praying for that community and it was a really i i got a massive response hundreds of

00:35:20.100 thousands of views and comments on on x just a people it really connected with people in a powerful

00:35:28.660 way and i wanted to ask you why you thought that was so uh well it was unity at a time when we needed

00:35:36.260 it and um on wednesday morning after the uh the terrible events of tuesday that's what i was writing

00:35:44.020 about was the unity that both men showed um you know i'm sure you saw the video of mark carney walking

00:35:52.500 into uh west block so on wednesday mornings parties hold their weekly caucus meetings and carney was

00:36:00.900 walking in to uh to lead the liberal caucus and he got stopped by the cameras as is normal party leaders

00:36:08.500 get stopped and they'll say a few words on the way in and sometimes on the way out and this of course was

00:36:14.340 the first time he had publicly reacted to the um events in tumblr ridge and the shootings the loss of life

00:36:22.660 and he was emotional and choked up and uh the uh was just a few minutes of him in front of the camera

00:36:31.860 and then almost immediately uh at a different part you know where the conservative caucus meeting was was

00:36:38.660 pure polyeth was up live and same thing he he was not as choked up like mark carney wasn't you know

00:36:47.060 crying or anything but he was choked up and emotional and you could see in a different way

00:36:50.740 that pure polyeth was as well and they both spoke about the need for unity and polyeth immediately said

00:36:59.060 that he's reached out to the prime minister and will he and his party will offer whatever support they

00:37:04.260 can to the government to get supports to the people of tumblr ridge and then of course they all flew

00:37:10.100 out together on the prime minister's jet to go to the memorial and and then literally stayed hand in

00:37:18.420 hand uh the governor general there don davies bob zimmer um you know elizabeth may um was there was a

00:37:29.620 a joint news conference of a bunch of mps that was already scheduled for wednesday morning to kick

00:37:35.220 off national kindness week uh a thing that started years ago the result of works of the late great

00:37:42.900 rabbi rubin volga out of ottawa and um so mps from all the parties were there and they were talking and

00:37:51.300 they started getting questions about tumblr ridge just moments after the pm and polyeth had and they were

00:37:57.380 all saying good things about each other and you know elizabeth may said she teared up for bob zimmer

00:38:02.580 who's the mps in a peace river country great guy but great good but yeah i sent bob a note uh as

00:38:08.500 soon as i heard about it yeah me too my heart was breaking for his um his community um and and he is

00:38:16.420 just a genuinely good guy and and you see that in his public comments so you've got that photo you've got

00:38:23.300 polly up there you've got don davies from the ndp you've got uh you francois blanchet there you've got

00:38:30.420 bob zimmer in the middle i mean they're they're they're helping support bob and his community it's

00:38:35.940 just um it's how politics should happen in a troubled time of crisis i think that's why it resonated with

00:38:42.980 people yeah absolutely um switching gears um to politicians are behaving differently of course in

00:38:53.380 the united states it's practically a civil war among their political class and something extraordinary

00:39:02.260 has been happening you know trump has always been very skillful in getting the religious faithful

00:39:08.980 whether he's evangelicals or practicing jews or practicing catholics on side i think he has been

00:39:16.900 much more successful than at that than democrats and stories have started to emerge in recent days about

00:39:23.700 how elements in mega and specifically steve bannon former chief of staff or former senior advisor to trump at

00:39:32.260 least have been um going after the pope pope francis um and we know this because emails that bannon

00:39:43.060 bannon exchanged with jeffrey epstein have come out revealing this and he's also been very very critical

00:39:49.300 more critical even of pope leo and i'm just wondering pardon the pun like what the hell is happening

00:39:55.140 why are they doing this it makes no sense to me so um yeah bannon was a strategic advisor i've made the

00:40:04.260 mistake of telling the former chief of staff as well uh how close he is to trump is up in the air and

00:40:11.940 when i interviewed him a year ago he wouldn't really you know say how close he was and others have tried to

00:40:18.980 get an answer from him on that hasn't really said they haven't publicly been seen together but he

00:40:26.020 bannon does have a big audience within the mega world and a lot of people pay attention to him

00:40:32.180 he's not alone in believing that pope francis was a communist uh which in some ways he came out of

00:40:39.220 um south america at a time when and he was a jesuit um came out of that era where jesuits out of

00:40:46.660 south america quite often were communists and i don't use that in a pejorative term i mean it

00:40:52.340 literally um and so pope francis was a very left-wing pope and and bannon has you you watch his show

00:40:59.540 and you see all the religious iconography and behind him he's become a bit of an uber catholic and you

00:41:06.900 know as always you know in the catholic church if uh i remember when john paul ii was in there were

00:41:14.260 people that thought he was too right-wing in the left part of the catholic church and would try and

00:41:18.260 fight him that stuff's always going on i find it weird that it comes out in the epstein files

00:41:25.140 i mean yeah with all the other stuff coming out in the epstein files it's all about sex and then

00:41:29.700 steve bannon pops up and it's about let's get rid of the pope yeah um you know bill gates is still you

00:41:38.500 know it's still the weirdest one to me is uh hey jeffrey got me drugs i can slip my wife so she

00:41:44.420 doesn't get the stds from the russian hookers steve bannon hey jeffrey how do we take out pope francis

00:41:51.060 this this guy apparently was a magician for all uh all in any needs on all sides uh not just republicans

00:41:58.500 but democrats too it's pretty sleazy stuff the other day i see this headline that the general

00:42:04.660 counselor for goldman sachs yeah she quit was yeah well well you killed my punchline oh sorry

00:42:11.620 that the general counsel for goldman sachs was leaving because of the epstein files and i thought

00:42:17.540 oh well poor guy it's a woman

00:42:22.820 yeah um no they're falling like flies but not in the united states there's people resigning their

00:42:28.500 positions are being fired for their positions because they're showing up in those

00:42:32.340 millions upon millions of pages of disclosure there's more to come and they're quitting but

00:42:38.420 the ones in the states are holding on to their positions um final thing i want to talk about getting

00:42:45.140 back to faith uh we've got ash wednesday coming up this week and and lent um i'm probably this lent

00:42:54.820 gonna give up drinking beer for the lenten my lenten sacrifice maybe junk food too because i

00:43:01.540 like having a cookie when i'm watching tv what so i and this is very personal you don't have to answer

00:43:07.700 if you don't want to but are you planning on getting ashes you planning having a lenten observance what

00:43:13.460 are you going to do this year i really should and yeah um what to give up it it can't be something that you

00:43:23.220 can give up easily that's not supposed to be the point it's supposed to be something that is a sacrifice so

00:43:28.100 i haven't decided yet uh in the past i have given up um uh you know that if you do give up beer

00:43:37.860 then you can have beer on on the sunday on sundays and also important feast days so i knew this um

00:43:46.580 this girl i went to school with her father worked with my dad is every year he gave up drinking and

00:43:53.220 then would get absolutely blotted on st patrick's day he was a doubly man surprise surprise and i

00:44:00.740 said well how can you do that and that's how i learned that you know we'd all been practicing

00:44:04.500 the observances uh incorrectly they don't apply on sundays and if there is a special feast day

00:44:10.980 you can still get blotted on st patrick's day maybe i should do the uh uh give up the the beer

00:44:22.420 of the booze with you or no one wants me to give up coffee yeah you don't have to do that we'll give

00:44:29.620 you special dispensation for to hold on to coffee well it's coming up so uh i'll let you in the world

00:44:36.420 know what i'm going to do so everybody can keep an eye on me but uh in the meantime can i say this

00:44:42.580 about uh ash wednesday i was in yeah in washington dc for ash wednesday once yeah and people in canada

00:44:50.180 go for their ashes and then they wipe their faces off i was going into meetings all day in dc with

00:44:56.260 people with big giant blots on their foreheads yeah across and marco rubio was doing tv last year and he

00:45:04.260 had a big cross on his forehead made of ash i i've seen people on cnn and on fox show up including

00:45:12.980 some of the staff with the ashes on their forehead and doing tv skull yeah well that wouldn't happen

00:45:19.300 here so if you get them wear them probably well i intend to do so um well bless you brother bless you

00:45:26.740 and have a um a great uh lint i don't know if you say that well i guess i just did and um have a

00:45:35.220 a wonderful day and a wonderful week and thank you

00:45:45.940 so

00:46:05.220 so

00:46:15.940 Three chains on your shoulder

00:46:20.180 Like getting any fucking other

00:46:23.580 New Mexico's my city

00:46:25.720 You look at me, you make me feel so shitty

00:46:29.420 Let me in, let me in

00:46:32.860 Let me in

00:46:34.960 Let me in, let me in

00:46:38.140 Let me in

00:46:40.320 My big idea

00:46:46.560 Three chains on my shoulder

00:46:53.640 One line of killing, any fucking other

00:46:56.900 I was born in 2001

00:46:59.500 I was 16, but my body says I'm 21

00:47:02.840 Let me in, let me in

00:47:05.940 Let me in

00:47:08.060 Let me in, let me in

00:47:11.380 Let me in

00:47:13.820 My big idea

00:47:19.480 My big idea

00:47:25.060 My big idea

00:47:26.300 My big idea

00:47:30.440 I wish I could just take this all away

00:47:42.120 I've lived for my entire life

00:47:43.420 I would never thought

00:47:44.440 I've always said that this is the best place to live

00:47:47.280 And to raise my kids

00:47:48.480 And now I have kids that don't want to go to school

00:47:51.820 Don't want to leave the house

00:47:53.200 I mean, it was my friends

00:47:54.700 And the kids that I played hockey with

00:47:57.520 Came on my street and grew up with

00:48:00.740 And now never, like it's Tumblr

00:48:04.060 Like, this doesn't feel real

00:48:06.120 A very difficult day for the nation

00:48:08.620 This morning

00:48:09.420 Parents, grandparents, sisters, brothers

00:48:13.060 In Tumblr Ridge will wake up

00:48:15.640 Without someone they love

00:48:17.860 The nation

00:48:22.120 Worms with you

00:48:23.340 Canada stands by you

00:48:25.840 We are continuing our coverage

00:48:28.100 Of the

00:48:29.320 Shooting

00:48:30.460 In Tumblr Ridge, British Columbia

00:48:32.400 That has thus far claimed

00:48:34.780 The lives of

00:48:35.580 Eight innocents

00:48:37.100 Including the shooter

00:48:38.140 Plus the shooter

00:48:39.580 And nearly 30 others

00:48:42.060 Wounded

00:48:42.620 By that shooter

00:48:44.180 Welcome back to the show

00:48:45.200 And thank you

00:48:45.720 And welcome back

00:48:46.420 To Warren Kinsella

00:48:47.720 Former special advisor

00:48:49.340 To Jean Chrétien

00:48:50.000 CEO of the Daisy Group

00:48:51.000 It's been a long time, my friend

00:48:52.260 Welcome back

00:48:52.820 Thanks, my friend

00:48:54.320 And Regan Watts

00:48:55.340 Founder of Fratton Park

00:48:56.520 And senior aide

00:48:57.400 To Finance Minister Jim Flaherty

00:48:58.880 It's been a week

00:48:59.960 But welcome back

00:49:00.940 Thanks, Ben

00:49:01.940 Good to do it

00:49:02.440 Listen, there's been

00:49:04.040 I have to credit where credit is due

00:49:06.800 I believe the Prime Minister

00:49:07.800 Struck the perfect tone

00:49:09.760 Of sadness and grief

00:49:12.080 But also leadership

00:49:13.300 I thought in the House of Commons

00:49:15.400 He doubled down on that

00:49:17.920 And that strength

00:49:20.260 And that sadness

00:49:21.000 Was echoed by Pierre Polyev

00:49:22.200 As well as the other leaders

00:49:23.840 Who stood to put their

00:49:25.960 To have their voices heard

00:49:28.160 On this matter

00:49:29.040 But, you know, there's

00:49:31.540 Precision matters

00:49:33.360 And what I believe

00:49:35.320 I don't believe we got that

00:49:36.960 From the RCMP

00:49:37.780 And what I mean

00:49:38.720 And Warren

00:49:40.240 I want to be clear

00:49:41.160 I am never going to be accused

00:49:43.280 Of throwing kerosene

00:49:44.400 On this fire

00:49:45.020 Right?

00:49:45.580 I'm not

00:49:46.060 I'm not doing that

00:49:47.320 But questions have to be asked

00:49:49.020 And identifying the shooter

00:49:51.580 As a woman full stop

00:49:53.360 Is what they did

00:49:54.360 And only once

00:49:55.580 Asked by the press

00:49:57.040 But wasn't the person trans

00:49:59.120 They said

00:49:59.360 Well, you didn't ask

00:50:00.100 So now that you're asking

00:50:01.240 Yes, we'll tell you

00:50:01.940 The person was trans

00:50:02.760 That only matters

00:50:04.920 Insofar

00:50:05.820 As

00:50:06.560 The vast majority

00:50:08.120 Upwards of 95%

00:50:09.100 Of mass shootings

00:50:09.660 Are conducted

00:50:10.380 Are done by men

00:50:11.740 And the journey

00:50:13.500 Of a trans person

00:50:14.740 Is not the journey

00:50:16.060 Of a

00:50:16.940 Of a biological woman

00:50:19.140 And therefore

00:50:19.680 Those things matter

00:50:20.980 To the conversation

00:50:22.020 And because we didn't

00:50:23.880 Get that from them

00:50:25.160 It rubs me

00:50:26.780 The wrong way

00:50:27.560 I don't know

00:50:30.200 If it matters

00:50:30.860 To the conversation

00:50:31.880 You know

00:50:33.220 The definitive work

00:50:34.460 That was done

00:50:35.320 More than 20 years ago

00:50:37.060 In this country

00:50:38.540 By a Canadian

00:50:39.440 Professor Elliot Layton

00:50:41.440 At Memorial University

00:50:42.760 Wrote a book

00:50:44.280 About serial killers

00:50:45.600 And mass killers

00:50:47.180 Like we've experienced

00:50:48.900 In Tumblr Ridge

00:50:49.820 Called Hunting Humans

00:50:51.040 It's been gone through

00:50:52.120 Multiple reprints

00:50:53.500 And it's been expanded

00:50:55.480 And what Layton found

00:50:57.720 And what all the research

00:50:58.800 Has found

00:50:59.340 Is in all of these cases

00:51:01.300 85% of them

00:51:03.880 Are male

00:51:04.500 The vast majority

00:51:06.640 Of them come

00:51:07.420 From the working class

00:51:08.580 There's never been

00:51:09.420 An aristocratic

00:51:10.360 Serial killer

00:51:11.240 They tend to be

00:51:13.140 Kind of dull-witted

00:51:14.240 And they tend to be

00:51:16.300 Overwhelmingly

00:51:17.680 Heterosexual

00:51:18.640 And they're propelled

00:51:20.480 Into these acts

00:51:21.580 Of horrific violence

00:51:23.100 By class considerations

00:51:26.140 They feel like

00:51:27.180 They feel like

00:51:27.200 They've been cheated

00:51:27.920 By society

00:51:28.980 They come from

00:51:30.160 Broken families

00:51:31.100 They aren't very

00:51:32.760 Successful girls

00:51:33.880 And they lash out

00:51:35.840 And they project

00:51:36.580 Their failures

00:51:37.340 Onto their victims

00:51:38.520 So

00:51:39.820 You know

00:51:41.720 Those

00:51:42.720 And I've already

00:51:43.260 Seen it

00:51:43.780 This afternoon

00:51:45.180 And this morning

00:51:45.880 Trying to project

00:51:46.860 Their personal agenda

00:51:48.340 Onto the shooter

00:51:50.180 In this case

00:51:51.440 Their politics

00:51:52.720 And I say

00:51:54.000 Well guys

00:51:54.680 If that's what

00:51:55.280 You're going to do

00:51:55.940 Then why don't

00:51:57.100 We deny

00:51:58.020 Heterosexual males

00:51:59.560 From the working class

00:52:00.900 Access to weapons

00:52:02.820 To guns

00:52:04.100 Because they're the ones

00:52:05.300 Who are killing

00:52:05.820 More people

00:52:06.720 Than anybody else

00:52:08.120 In these situations

00:52:09.020 So it's like

00:52:09.860 Everybody

00:52:10.740 Put away your

00:52:11.860 Personal agenda

00:52:12.860 And just do

00:52:13.940 What the prime minister

00:52:14.780 And Mr. Polly

00:52:15.540 Ever done

00:52:16.060 And

00:52:16.880 And engage

00:52:18.000 In some mourning

00:52:18.940 For the people

00:52:20.240 Of this terrible

00:52:21.180 Terrible crime

00:52:22.060 Regan

00:52:23.840 As a dad

00:52:24.900 I'm sure

00:52:25.700 That you were

00:52:26.280 Gutted the way

00:52:26.980 I was

00:52:27.540 You know

00:52:27.800 When I dropped

00:52:28.260 My daughter off

00:52:28.880 At school today

00:52:29.520 It did not

00:52:30.120 Did not feel

00:52:30.980 The way it normally

00:52:31.620 Does

00:52:32.000 Knowing what

00:52:32.940 Happened

00:52:33.360 In Tumblr Ridge

00:52:34.580 What are your

00:52:35.760 Thoughts

00:52:36.540 Today

00:52:37.100 Yeah

00:52:40.540 I mean

00:52:41.000 I think

00:52:41.700 I actually

00:52:43.040 Agree with

00:52:43.740 Warren's point

00:52:44.380 That

00:52:44.740 I'll say it

00:52:45.480 In a slightly

00:52:45.800 Different way

00:52:46.300 I think

00:52:46.600 The specifics

00:52:47.880 And the details

00:52:48.700 Are not

00:52:49.580 For us

00:52:50.740 To debate

00:52:51.460 And discuss

00:52:52.140 Today

00:52:53.560 You know

00:52:55.080 Political ideology

00:52:56.160 Can be

00:52:57.380 And political

00:52:58.020 Battle

00:52:58.340 Can be set

00:52:58.780 Aside

00:52:59.180 At this

00:53:00.860 Time

00:53:01.260 You know

00:53:02.000 As a

00:53:02.360 Father

00:53:03.100 Who takes

00:53:04.640 His kids

00:53:05.060 To school

00:53:05.520 Every day

00:53:05.940 It's one

00:53:06.280 Of the great

00:53:06.740 Joys of my

00:53:07.420 Life

00:53:07.720 Is that I

00:53:08.120 Take my

00:53:08.500 Kids to

00:53:08.880 School

00:53:09.120 And pick

00:53:09.800 Them up

00:53:10.220 You know

00:53:11.560 My heart

00:53:11.980 Aches for

00:53:12.620 Children

00:53:13.180 Who were

00:53:13.520 Murdered

00:53:13.980 And maimed

00:53:15.760 And teachers

00:53:17.480 Who were killed

00:53:18.240 And family

00:53:18.840 Members of

00:53:19.940 The shooter

00:53:21.080 Who were

00:53:21.580 Killed

00:53:22.320 And the

00:53:22.880 People who

00:53:23.260 Are fighting

00:53:23.680 For their

00:53:24.060 Lives right

00:53:24.580 Now

00:53:24.880 You know

00:53:26.440 The response

00:53:28.240 From federal

00:53:29.400 And provincial

00:53:29.940 Leaders

00:53:30.320 Has been

00:53:31.200 The best

00:53:32.260 Of Canada

00:53:32.760 I thought

00:53:33.500 The Prime

00:53:33.760 Minister

00:53:34.000 Was remarkable

00:53:34.660 I thought

00:53:34.980 Mr.

00:53:35.280 Poliev

00:53:35.580 Mr. Davies

00:53:37.380 Statements

00:53:38.340 Were equally

00:53:39.740 Exceptional

00:53:40.420 And I think

00:53:41.480 You know

00:53:42.580 Premier Smith's

00:53:43.360 Response

00:53:43.760 In working

00:53:45.300 With Premier

00:53:46.360 Eby

00:53:46.600 To help

00:53:46.920 Airlift

00:53:47.400 Victims

00:53:47.820 From

00:53:48.240 BC

00:53:49.220 To Alberta

00:53:49.760 Hospitals

00:53:50.280 Showed

00:53:52.260 The best

00:53:52.960 Of this

00:53:53.320 Country

00:53:53.680 You know

00:53:54.300 I think

00:53:54.660 Warren

00:53:55.600 Would agree

00:53:56.060 That you know

00:53:56.540 There's lots

00:53:57.060 Of challenges

00:53:57.860 That we have

00:53:58.360 In this

00:53:58.680 Country

00:53:58.960 That we

00:54:00.160 Need to

00:54:00.780 Fix and

00:54:01.460 Address

00:54:01.820 And I

00:54:02.100 Think addressing

00:54:02.820 In particular

00:54:04.060 The issues

00:54:06.480 That affect

00:54:07.060 Males

00:54:08.900 That lead

00:54:10.340 Them to

00:54:10.720 These types

00:54:11.260 Of behaviors

00:54:12.540 And decisions

00:54:13.060 Is certainly

00:54:13.560 One of the

00:54:14.020 Things that

00:54:14.480 We need

00:54:15.480 To tackle

00:54:16.040 As a

00:54:16.940 Country

00:54:17.220 But you

00:54:18.280 Know

00:54:18.360 Paraphrase

00:54:19.080 President

00:54:20.000 Clinton

00:54:20.360 You know

00:54:21.140 Nothing

00:54:21.540 That is wrong

00:54:22.400 With Canada

00:54:23.020 There's

00:54:24.160 Nothing

00:54:24.340 Wrong

00:54:24.520 With Canada

00:54:24.900 That cannot

00:54:25.280 Be fixed

00:54:25.840 With what

00:54:26.860 Is right

00:54:27.200 About Canada

00:54:27.760 And I

00:54:28.260 Think we

00:54:28.560 Need to

00:54:28.800 Take a

00:54:29.080 Moment

00:54:29.280 And as

00:54:30.880 A country

00:54:31.360 Come together

00:54:32.060 Mourn

00:54:33.340 And I

00:54:34.020 Thought the

00:54:34.300 Prime Minister's

00:54:34.960 Call to

00:54:35.720 Have the

00:54:36.820 Flag at

00:54:37.180 Half-Mass

00:54:37.640 Was entirely

00:54:38.360 Appropriate

00:54:38.960 And we'll

00:54:40.840 We'll address

00:54:41.460 These issues

00:54:42.260 In the

00:54:44.480 Weeks and

00:54:45.240 Months

00:54:45.720 Ahead

00:54:46.020 But it

00:54:46.900 Is a

00:54:47.240 Period

00:54:47.840 Today

00:54:48.260 That

00:54:48.580 Somebody

00:54:49.620 Drops

00:54:50.020 Kids

00:54:50.300 Off

00:54:50.500 At school

00:54:50.900 The way

00:54:52.160 It works

00:54:52.500 Is you

00:54:52.760 Drop your

00:54:53.180 Kids off

00:54:53.680 And they

00:54:53.940 Come home

00:54:54.320 At the

00:54:54.560 End of

00:54:54.720 The day

00:54:54.920 And there

00:54:55.520 Are families

00:54:56.060 Who will

00:54:57.380 Be

00:54:57.700 Irrequently

00:54:58.500 Shattered

00:55:01.120 Because of

00:55:01.780 What happened

00:55:02.280 And then the

00:55:03.580 Other thing

00:55:03.860 Ben and I

00:55:04.360 Think it's

00:55:04.700 Worth noting

00:55:05.160 And I

00:55:05.400 Believe it

00:55:05.660 Was King

00:55:05.920 Charles

00:55:06.240 Who talked

00:55:06.660 About this

00:55:07.040 In his

00:55:07.500 Remarks

00:55:08.320 Or his

00:55:08.580 Tweet online

00:55:09.120 Which is

00:55:09.540 That this

00:55:10.380 Is a

00:55:10.600 Very small

00:55:11.160 Community

00:55:11.640 Every single

00:55:12.360 Person in

00:55:13.580 This community

00:55:14.160 Is going to

00:55:14.600 Know somebody

00:55:15.140 Who was

00:55:16.060 Touched by

00:55:16.580 This

00:55:16.860 And Tumblr

00:55:17.660 Ridge

00:55:17.900 Will now

00:55:18.260 Be known

00:55:18.780 Around the

00:55:21.560 World

00:55:21.900 As a

00:55:24.360 Place where

00:55:24.860 Something tragic

00:55:25.640 Has happened

00:55:26.160 And not for

00:55:27.320 The positives

00:55:29.040 Of the joy

00:55:29.660 That that

00:55:30.020 Community

00:55:30.340 Has

00:55:31.180 I'm sure

00:55:32.180 But for a

00:55:33.200 Tragic event

00:55:33.860 And you

00:55:35.220 Know I

00:55:35.980 Know we're

00:55:36.300 All thinking

00:55:36.760 About those

00:55:37.320 Who've been

00:55:37.600 Impacted by

00:55:38.220 This

00:55:38.520 Senseless

00:55:39.600 Act of

00:55:40.140 Just brutal

00:55:40.640 Violence

00:55:41.060 Well listen

00:55:41.780 We've got a

00:55:42.920 Lot to get

00:55:43.420 To in our

00:55:43.900 Next segment

00:55:44.400 I'm going to

00:55:44.740 Set it up

00:55:45.180 Right now

00:55:45.580 And I

00:55:45.880 Don't know

00:55:46.320 If I

00:55:46.880 Sent you

00:55:47.300 This story

00:55:47.880 But hopefully

00:55:48.420 You already

00:55:49.140 Have some

00:55:49.540 Opinions on

00:55:50.180 It and if

00:55:50.600 You don't

00:55:50.940 You'll have

00:55:51.220 The break

00:55:51.640 To figure

00:55:52.200 Them out

00:55:52.620 Watching

00:55:54.840 Or seeing

00:55:55.640 A tweet

00:55:56.040 Today

00:55:56.420 That the

00:55:57.620 UN

00:55:58.180 Secretary

00:55:58.620 General

00:55:59.140 Congratulated

00:56:00.160 The

00:56:00.920 Iranian

00:56:02.160 State

00:56:02.760 Off on

00:56:03.920 The

00:56:04.080 Anniversary

00:56:04.600 Of the

00:56:05.320 Of the

00:56:06.260 Revolution

00:56:07.420 47 years

00:56:08.500 Ago

00:56:08.740 While that

00:56:09.300 While that

00:56:10.240 Regime

00:56:11.400 Is murdering

00:56:12.320 Its own

00:56:12.620 People

00:56:13.020 I

00:56:14.200 I had to

00:56:16.020 Check

00:56:16.340 I had to

00:56:17.080 Check to

00:56:17.380 Make sure

00:56:17.740 It was

00:56:18.120 Real

00:56:18.440 Because I

00:56:19.240 I said

00:56:19.520 Surely

00:56:20.100 Surely

00:56:20.700 This man

00:56:22.200 Is not

00:56:23.180 This stupid

00:56:23.960 And it

00:56:25.740 Turns out

00:56:26.240 It was

00:56:26.840 Real

00:56:27.200 And I

00:56:28.500 Don't

00:56:29.280 I don't

00:56:29.860 Know

00:56:30.240 If there's

00:56:31.780 Ever been

00:56:32.140 An example

00:56:33.000 Of

00:56:33.620 For people

00:56:34.360 Who

00:56:34.540 Want to

00:56:35.540 Disband

00:56:36.080 The UN

00:56:36.580 That's a

00:56:37.600 Pretty good

00:56:38.040 That's a

00:56:39.040 Pretty good

00:56:39.320 Example of

00:56:39.840 Why

00:56:40.220 And

00:56:41.180 Warren

00:56:41.940 Maybe

00:56:42.240 I'll give

00:56:43.140 You like

00:56:43.400 30 seconds

00:56:44.420 To just give

00:56:44.840 Me your

00:56:45.380 High level

00:56:46.200 Thoughts on

00:56:46.880 That we

00:56:47.180 Can discuss

00:56:47.620 On the

00:56:47.900 Other side

00:56:48.180 Of the

00:56:48.340 Break

00:56:48.560 Yeah

00:56:49.700 No it's

00:56:50.340 It's awful

00:56:51.000 And I

00:56:51.540 Think a lot

00:56:51.980 Of people

00:56:52.300 Were wondering

00:56:53.400 Could this

00:56:54.000 Possibly be

00:56:54.780 True

00:56:55.060 Because it

00:56:55.640 Was reported

00:56:56.280 First through

00:56:56.940 The Iranian

00:56:57.520 State controlled

00:56:58.920 Media

00:56:59.340 But like you

00:57:00.260 Say it was

00:57:00.760 True

00:57:01.120 And it's

00:57:01.880 Madness

00:57:02.440 This is one

00:57:03.480 Of the

00:57:03.840 Leading abusers

00:57:05.200 Of human

00:57:05.600 Rights in

00:57:06.020 The world

00:57:06.400 They've

00:57:06.880 Incredibly

00:57:07.520 Linked to the

00:57:08.280 Murder of

00:57:08.800 30,000

00:57:09.520 Of their

00:57:09.860 Citizens

00:57:10.420 Earlier

00:57:11.220 This month

00:57:11.920 And

00:57:12.640 They shouldn't

00:57:13.800 Be

00:57:13.960 Contradulated

00:57:14.700 For anything

00:57:15.300 By anybody

00:57:16.020 All right

00:57:16.500 Well we're

00:57:16.720 Going to

00:57:16.900 Keep talking

00:57:17.380 About that

00:57:17.900 As well

00:57:18.420 As the

00:57:19.400 Bridge

00:57:20.580 To somewhere

00:57:22.520 And what it

00:57:23.340 Means here

00:57:24.160 In Canada

00:57:24.620 Don't go

00:57:25.040 Anywhere

00:57:25.280 The Ben

00:57:25.540 Mulroney

00:57:25.740 Show

00:57:25.900 Continues

00:57:26.540 After the

00:57:26.960 Break

00:57:27.100 Welcome

00:57:35.640 Welcome back

00:57:35.880 To the

00:57:36.060 Ben

00:57:36.200 Mulroney

00:57:36.480 Show

00:57:36.660 And welcome

00:57:36.920 Back to

00:57:37.240 Warren

00:57:37.460 Kinsella

00:57:37.880 And

00:57:38.060 Regan

00:57:38.380 Watts

00:57:38.820 Regan

00:57:39.780 Your

00:57:40.120 Thoughts

00:57:40.720 On this

00:57:41.460 Head

00:57:42.780 Shakingly

00:57:43.620 Grotesque

00:57:45.040 Statement

00:57:46.080 By the

00:57:46.700 UN

00:57:46.960 Secretary

00:57:47.360 General

00:57:47.840 Congratulating

00:57:48.700 Iran

00:57:49.240 On their

00:57:50.140 On the

00:57:50.980 Anniversary

00:57:51.460 Of one

00:57:52.500 Of the

00:57:52.660 Most

00:57:52.780 Repressive

00:57:53.260 Revolutions

00:57:55.000 In

00:57:55.500 In

00:57:56.000 In the

00:57:57.020 History

00:57:57.300 Of

00:57:57.440 Civilization

00:57:58.000 Well I

00:57:59.340 Don't want

00:58:00.180 To belabor

00:58:00.560 The point

00:58:00.980 I agree

00:58:01.520 Completely

00:58:01.980 With

00:58:02.420 Warren

00:58:03.120 The

00:58:03.480 Secretary

00:58:03.820 General

00:58:04.180 Of the

00:58:04.340 United

00:58:04.500 Nations

00:58:04.920 Congratulating

00:58:06.060 The

00:58:07.280 Islamic

00:58:07.620 Republic

00:58:08.000 Of Iran

00:58:08.500 Is

00:58:08.740 Absolutely

00:58:09.200 Insane

00:58:09.900 And yet

00:58:10.340 Another

00:58:10.640 Proof

00:58:11.040 Point

00:58:11.320 For those

00:58:11.780 Who

00:58:11.900 Are

00:58:12.020 Critics

00:58:12.340 Of

00:58:12.480 The

00:58:12.560 United

00:58:12.760 Nations

00:58:13.120 And I

00:58:13.500 Would

00:58:13.640 Add

00:58:13.840 Myself

00:58:14.280 To

00:58:14.440 That

00:58:14.640 List

00:58:14.900 That

00:58:15.920 It

00:58:16.180 Is

00:58:16.360 An

00:58:16.480 Organization

00:58:17.020 That

00:58:17.280 Is

00:58:17.420 Well

00:58:17.720 Past

00:58:18.060 Its

00:58:18.240 Best

00:58:18.420 Before

00:58:18.720 Date

00:58:19.000 And

00:58:19.540 Is

00:58:19.720 In

00:58:19.860 Dire

00:58:20.080 Need

00:58:20.340 Of

00:58:20.460 New

00:58:20.600 Leadership

00:58:20.940 If

00:58:21.180 It

00:58:21.280 Wants

00:58:21.480 To

00:58:21.600 Remain

00:58:21.820 Relevant

00:58:22.140 All right

00:58:23.200 Let's

00:58:23.640 Move

00:58:23.820 On

00:58:23.980 To

00:58:24.080 Something

00:58:24.320 That

00:58:24.540 I

00:58:24.780 Suppose

00:58:25.260 We

00:58:25.460 Can

00:58:25.640 Look

00:58:25.860 At

00:58:26.160 With

00:58:26.920 You

00:58:27.460 Know

00:58:27.580 It

00:58:27.780 Is

00:58:27.840 A

00:58:28.040 Lighter

00:58:28.540 Tone

00:58:29.000 But

00:58:29.480 It

00:58:29.580 Is

00:58:29.880 Equally

00:58:30.240 Significant

00:58:30.780 For

00:58:31.080 Us

00:58:31.420 As

00:58:31.600 A

00:58:31.740 Country

00:58:32.120 The

00:58:32.380 Soon

00:58:33.560 To

00:58:33.700 Be

00:58:33.840 Opened

00:58:34.500 Gordie

00:58:34.920 Howe

00:58:35.160 Bridge

00:58:35.560 Paid

00:58:35.940 For

00:58:36.260 Entirely

00:58:36.880 By

00:58:37.140 Canada

00:58:37.700 And

00:58:39.300 Built

00:58:40.020 With

00:58:40.380 Both

00:58:40.780 Canadian

00:58:41.240 American

00:58:41.760 Expertise

00:58:42.660 And

00:58:42.860 Workers

00:58:43.240 As

00:58:44.080 Well

00:58:44.300 As

00:58:44.520 Canadian

00:58:45.920 American

00:58:46.240 Steel

00:58:46.740 Canadian

00:58:47.180 And

00:58:47.540 American

00:58:47.980 Concrete

00:58:48.720 Mark

00:58:50.240 Donald

00:58:50.980 Trump

00:58:51.200 In

00:58:51.300 2017

00:58:51.720 Loved

00:58:52.580 It

00:58:52.800 Not

00:58:54.100 So

00:58:54.300 Much

00:58:54.540 Yesterday

00:58:55.140 I

00:58:56.400 And

00:58:56.640 I

00:58:56.760 Felt

00:58:57.040 That

00:58:57.340 Both

00:58:57.720 Mark

00:58:58.060 Carney

00:58:58.400 And

00:58:58.900 Premier

00:58:59.360 The

00:58:59.880 Premier

00:59:00.060 Of

00:59:00.180 Ontario

00:59:00.500 Doug

00:59:00.780 Ford

00:59:01.140 Acquitted

00:59:01.520 Themselves

00:59:02.080 Honorably

00:59:03.100 In

00:59:03.340 In

00:59:03.640 Dealing

00:59:04.140 And

00:59:04.380 Stick

00:59:04.700 Handling

00:59:05.240 What

00:59:05.740 Could

00:59:06.000 Have

00:59:06.120 Been

00:59:06.260 A

00:59:06.400 Big

00:59:06.580 Deal

00:59:06.900 And

00:59:07.140 I

00:59:07.400 Think

00:59:07.640 I

00:59:07.900 Wonder

00:59:08.200 Whether

00:59:08.540 We

00:59:09.540 We've

00:59:10.100 Turned

00:59:10.380 The

00:59:10.500 Page

00:59:10.800 On

00:59:10.980 It

00:59:11.100 Warren

00:59:11.320 Is

00:59:11.500 Are

00:59:11.820 We

00:59:11.960 Done

00:59:12.240 Dealing

00:59:12.520 With

00:59:12.720 This

00:59:12.900 Tempest

00:59:13.380 In

00:59:13.480 A

00:59:13.560 Teapot

00:59:13.920 Or

00:59:14.120 Is

00:59:14.280 There

00:59:14.620 More

00:59:14.800 To

00:59:14.920 Come

00:59:15.100 On

00:59:15.260 This

00:59:15.400 File

00:59:15.580 Who

00:59:16.520 Knows

00:59:16.900 I

00:59:25.140 People

00:59:25.320 Of

00:59:25.500 Windsor

00:59:26.040 Or

00:59:26.380 Every

00:59:26.780 Canadian

00:59:27.260 Or

00:59:27.500 Every

00:59:27.720 Citizen

00:59:28.140 In

00:59:28.360 The

00:59:28.460 World

00:59:28.720 Outside

00:59:29.420 Of

00:59:29.580 The

00:59:29.660 United

00:59:29.860 States

00:59:30.180 My

00:59:30.440 Advice

00:59:30.800 Is

00:59:31.000 Always

00:59:31.440 Don't

00:59:32.340 Pay

00:59:32.520 Any

00:59:32.720 Attention

00:59:33.160 To

00:59:33.360 What

00:59:33.540 Trump

00:59:33.860 Says

00:59:34.320 Pay

00:59:34.600 Attention

00:59:35.000 To

00:59:35.220 What

00:59:35.400 He

00:59:35.560 Does

00:59:35.940 Yeah

00:59:36.220 And

00:59:37.120 In

00:59:37.480 This

00:59:37.800 Case

00:59:38.300 As

00:59:39.000 You

00:59:39.180 Pointed

00:59:39.660 Out

00:59:39.920 Correctly

00:59:41.060 Canada

00:59:41.760 Paid

00:59:42.340 For

00:59:42.520 The

00:59:42.660 Construction

00:59:43.160 Of

00:59:43.460 This

00:59:43.660 Bridge

00:59:44.040 The

00:59:45.000 Beneficiary

00:59:45.980 Of

00:59:46.300 It

00:59:46.480 Will

00:59:46.740 Be

00:59:46.920 Canada

00:59:47.400 But

00:59:47.720 Also

00:59:48.040 The

00:59:48.240 United

00:59:48.480 States

00:59:48.820 Of

00:59:49.000 America

00:59:49.540 Michigan

00:59:50.160 And

00:59:51.500 You

00:59:52.560 Know

00:59:52.720 All

00:59:53.020 Of

00:59:53.220 The

00:59:53.540 American

00:59:54.760 Governors

00:59:55.520 Who

00:59:55.980 Are

00:59:56.140 Affected

00:59:56.600 By

00:59:56.760 This

00:59:57.020 Whether

00:59:57.520 They're

00:59:57.800 Republican

00:59:58.260 Or

00:59:58.500 Democrat

00:59:58.860 Are

00:59:59.160 On

00:59:59.340 Side

00:59:59.600 With

00:59:59.740 The

00:59:59.860 Canadian

01:00:00.180 Position

01:00:00.620 So

01:00:01.460 I

01:00:01.860 Guess

01:00:02.240 We

01:00:02.420 Should

01:00:02.560 See

01:00:02.860 How

01:00:03.200 It

01:00:03.380 Plays

01:00:03.740 Out

01:00:04.080 But

01:00:04.660 I

01:00:04.740 Mean

01:00:04.860 This

01:00:05.020 Is

01:00:05.260 You

01:00:05.680 Know

01:00:05.780 This

01:00:05.980 Happens

01:00:06.440 Every

01:00:06.720 Day

01:00:07.020 There's

01:00:07.400 Always

01:00:07.680 Some

01:00:08.000 New

01:00:08.260 Outrage

01:00:08.860 Some

01:00:09.120 New

01:00:09.380 Bit

01:00:09.660 Of

01:00:09.820 Madness

01:00:10.460 Coming

01:00:11.240 From

01:00:11.580 This

01:00:11.860 Lunatic

01:00:12.320 And

01:00:13.420 I

01:00:14.160 Think

01:00:14.440 The

01:00:14.640 Way

01:00:14.780 The

01:00:14.920 Prime

01:00:15.140 Minister

01:00:15.420 Handled

01:00:15.940 It

01:00:16.180 And

01:00:16.420 The

01:00:16.540 Way

01:00:16.700 Our

01:00:16.920 Leaders

01:00:17.240 Have

01:00:17.520 Handled

01:00:17.860 It

01:00:18.080 Like

01:00:18.640 Premier

01:00:18.980 Ford

01:00:19.380 As

01:00:20.000 You

01:00:20.140 Say

01:00:20.440 Is

01:00:20.780 The

01:00:20.940 Right

01:00:21.140 Way

01:00:21.400 Don't

01:00:22.420 Don't

01:00:22.700 Lose

01:00:22.940 Your

01:00:23.100 Cool

01:00:23.380 Right

01:00:23.640 Away

01:00:23.940 Just

01:00:24.240 See

01:00:24.500 How

01:00:24.720 It

01:00:24.880 Plays

01:00:25.220 Out

01:00:25.500 Because

01:00:26.260 You

01:00:26.660 Know

01:00:26.800 A lot

01:00:27.320 Of

01:00:27.420 The

01:00:27.540 Time

01:00:27.880 What

01:00:28.260 He

01:00:28.460 Says

01:00:28.760 He's

01:00:28.960 Going

01:00:29.140 To

01:00:29.260 Do

01:00:29.480 He

01:00:29.800 Doesn't

01:00:30.240 Yeah

01:00:30.600 But

01:00:31.340 Regan

01:00:31.880 From

01:00:33.020 What

01:00:33.200 We

01:00:33.340 Know

01:00:33.440 How

01:00:34.900 Could

01:00:35.120 This

01:00:35.280 Have

01:00:35.380 Happened

01:00:35.680 What

01:00:36.420 Happened

01:00:36.880 That

01:00:37.020 Allowed

01:00:37.720 Him

01:00:37.840 To

01:00:38.080 Say

01:00:38.540 Such

01:00:38.840 Falsehoods

01:00:40.080 About

01:00:40.280 This

01:00:41.040 Bridge

01:00:41.460 And

01:00:41.660 And

01:00:41.840 Who

01:00:41.940 Controls

01:00:42.500 It

01:00:42.640 And

01:00:43.080 What's

01:00:43.460 Going

01:00:43.560 To

01:00:43.620 Come

01:00:43.760 Across

01:00:44.120 It

01:00:44.340 And

01:00:45.160 It

01:00:45.400 Occurred

01:00:45.700 We

01:00:46.120 Found

01:00:46.420 Out

01:00:46.560 Yesterday

01:00:46.940 That

01:00:47.280 Matthew

01:00:48.560 Maroon

01:00:49.080 The

01:00:49.480 Son

01:00:49.980 Of

01:00:50.380 The

01:00:50.560 Former

01:00:50.920 Owner

01:00:51.220 Who

01:00:51.360 Now

01:00:51.540 Is

01:00:51.860 In

01:00:52.080 Possession

01:00:52.520 Of

01:00:52.680 It

01:00:52.780 Had

01:00:53.340 A

01:00:53.500 Conversation

01:00:53.940 With

01:00:54.080 Commerce

01:00:54.340 Secretary

01:00:54.680 Howard

01:00:55.000 Lutnick

01:00:55.380 Who

01:00:55.500 Then

01:00:55.640 Got

01:00:55.800 Into

01:00:56.000 The

01:00:56.440 President

01:00:56.920 Ear

01:00:57.400 Now

01:00:57.940 If

01:00:58.060 I'm

01:00:58.220 The

01:00:58.340 President

01:00:58.760 And

01:00:59.160 I

01:00:59.340 Was

01:00:59.480 Just

01:00:59.660 Dressed

01:00:59.960 Down

01:01:00.340 With

01:01:00.540 Fact

01:01:01.020 After

01:01:01.280 Fact

01:01:01.760 After

01:01:02.000 Fact

01:01:02.540 I'm

01:01:03.280 Going

01:01:03.420 Back

01:01:03.640 To

01:01:03.800 Lutnick

01:01:04.080 And

01:01:04.220 Say

01:01:04.320 What

01:01:04.520 You

01:01:04.620 Just

01:01:04.800 Send

01:01:05.000 Me

01:01:05.120 In

01:01:05.280 There

01:01:05.460 With

01:01:05.760 You

01:01:06.160 Just

01:01:06.320 Sent

01:01:06.460 Me

01:01:06.560 In

01:01:06.640 There

01:01:06.720 With

01:01:06.860 Garbage

01:01:07.420 You

01:01:07.840 Made

01:01:08.000 Me

01:01:08.100 Look

01:01:08.260 Like

01:01:08.380 A

01:01:08.520 Fool

01:01:08.780 Yeah

01:01:10.540 I

01:01:10.780 Mean

01:01:10.980 Look

01:01:11.340 This

01:01:11.600 Is

01:01:11.920 This

01:01:12.720 You

01:01:12.980 Know

01:01:13.060 In

01:01:13.380 The

01:01:13.560 In

01:01:13.780 The

01:01:13.900 Realms

01:01:14.240 Of

01:01:14.420 Parliamentary

01:01:15.200 History

01:01:16.080 Howard

01:01:16.640 Lutnick

01:01:17.040 Has

01:01:17.240 Not

01:01:17.520 Had

01:01:17.720 A

01:01:17.820 Very

01:01:17.980 Good

01:01:18.180 Week

01:01:18.440 Now

01:01:18.660 Has

01:01:18.900 He

01:01:19.100 He

01:01:20.940 He

01:01:20.980 Briefs

01:01:21.540 The

01:01:21.640 President

01:01:22.000 On

01:01:22.580 On

01:01:22.600 The

01:01:23.460 Issue

01:01:23.880 In

01:01:24.100 Windsor

01:01:24.500 Detroit

01:01:24.900 With

01:01:26.060 Some

01:01:33.640 Did

01:01:33.860 Or

01:01:33.980 Did

01:01:34.160 Not

01:01:34.460 Attend

01:01:35.140 Jeffrey

01:01:36.000 Epstein

01:01:36.360 Dialed

01:01:36.880 Not

01:01:37.800 A

01:01:37.920 Good

01:01:38.020 Week

01:01:38.200 For

01:01:38.360 Lutnick

01:01:39.160 No

01:01:39.460 And

01:01:39.920 Look

01:01:40.360 He's

01:01:40.760 Probably

01:01:41.560 The

01:01:41.920 Worst

01:01:42.120 Commerce

01:01:42.460 Secretary

01:01:42.920 In

01:01:43.160 My

01:01:43.320 Lifetime

01:01:43.720 But

01:01:45.180 He

01:01:45.300 Is

01:01:45.460 Not

01:01:45.760 Very

01:01:46.020 Good

01:01:46.260 At

01:01:46.400 His

01:01:46.540 Job

01:01:46.920 And

01:01:47.780 Everyone

01:01:48.040 Who

01:01:48.300 Deals

01:01:48.560 With

01:01:48.700 Washington

01:01:49.040 Knows

01:01:49.460 That

01:01:49.680 You

01:01:49.960 Have

01:01:50.260 To

01:01:50.360 Work

01:01:50.560 With

01:01:50.740 Scott

01:01:50.960 Bessent

01:01:51.380 And

01:01:51.580 Marco

01:01:51.800 Rubio

01:01:52.240 Instead

01:01:53.460 Of

01:01:53.640 Working

01:01:53.840 With

01:01:54.000 Lutnick

01:01:54.240 Because

01:01:54.480 They

01:01:54.660 Seem

01:01:54.840 To

01:01:54.940 The

01:01:55.080 Rational

01:01:55.480 Folks

01:01:56.120 Inside

01:01:56.540 That

01:01:56.780 Administration

01:02:03.640 I

01:02:04.520 Thought

01:02:04.800 Personally

01:02:05.220 The

01:02:05.820 Gordie

01:02:06.060 Howe

01:02:06.380 Name

01:02:06.600 Was

01:02:06.780 Interesting

01:02:07.360 But

01:02:07.560 I

01:02:07.680 Would

01:02:07.780 Have

01:02:07.880 Preferred

01:02:08.240 It

01:02:08.320 Be

01:02:08.480 Called

01:02:08.700 Maroonie

01:02:09.340 Reagan

01:02:09.560 Crossing

01:02:09.940 Given

01:02:10.240 That

01:02:10.520 Your

01:02:10.700 Father

01:02:11.060 And

01:02:11.440 President

01:02:11.840 Reagan

01:02:12.960 Were

01:02:13.220 The

01:02:14.460 Fathers

01:02:14.840 Of

01:02:15.060 The

01:02:15.320 Modern

01:02:16.020 Kennedy

01:02:16.380 U.S.

01:02:16.720 Relationship

01:02:17.120 But

01:02:17.220 That's

01:02:17.380 A

01:02:17.460 Whole

01:02:17.600 Other

01:02:17.820 Segment

01:02:18.140 The

01:02:18.660 Fact

01:02:18.860 Is

01:02:19.120 We

01:02:19.280 Did

01:02:19.460 Pay

01:02:19.700 For

01:02:19.980 It

01:02:20.140 We

01:02:20.340 Did

01:02:20.520 Finance

01:02:20.960 It

01:02:21.180 American

01:02:21.780 Workers

01:02:22.160 And

01:02:22.320 American

01:02:22.600 Products

01:02:23.000 Went

01:02:23.180 Into

01:02:23.340 Building

01:02:23.600 That

01:02:23.820 Bridge

01:02:24.080 And

01:02:24.620 We

01:02:24.720 Did

01:02:24.900 So

01:02:25.100 Because

01:02:25.500 The

01:02:25.700 Maroon

01:02:26.060 Family

01:02:26.440 Control

01:02:26.940 The

01:02:27.180 Ambassador

01:02:27.620 Bridge

01:02:28.040 And

01:02:28.340 If

01:02:28.500 Anybody

01:02:28.800 Who's

01:02:29.060 Ever

01:02:29.260 Driven

01:02:29.800 To

01:02:29.920 Windsor

01:02:30.320 And

01:02:30.820 Then

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01:04:17.420 But I'll tell you what the reaction was internally. I had a lot of ministers expressing to me, that son of a bitch. So this is, you know, I hate the cliche about virtue signaling, but this is virtue signaling. I guarantee you that there are conservative members of parliament who have heard this and said, that guy has just made my life more complicated and more difficult.

01:04:44.040 The best way to handle this is keep quiet about it. And because the recommendation of it, the salary increase is done by an arm's length panel that is in no way partisan. And I believe that these people, all of them, liberal, conservative, and some new Democrats actually work for what they are paid. And they deserve it for the most part.

01:05:14.040 And they deserve it for the most part.

01:05:44.020 They deserve it for the most part.

01:06:14.000 I've been cosplaying the needle

01:06:33.320 Danging hopeless by the thread

01:06:37.940 But that mess of hair reminds me

01:06:42.560 I might love this world instead

01:06:46.580 It's so silly writing love songs

01:06:51.620 While we teeter at that end

01:06:55.720 And we'll fall

01:07:00.140 Ground scores

01:07:04.140 Broke our bones

01:07:09.140 And we crawled

01:07:15.160 Go

01:07:26.120 Thank you.

kinsellacast - February 15, 2026

KINSELLACAST 401： Tumbler Ridge, Iran Protest and more with Lilley, Sa'd, Belanger, Mulroney - plus Joyce Manor, Sprints, Lime Garden, XCOMM, Dutch Interior

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