KINSELLACAST 401: Tumbler Ridge, Iran Protest and more with Lilley, Sa'd, Belanger, Mulroney - plus Joyce Manor, Sprints, Lime Garden, XCOMM, Dutch Interior
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Length
1 hour and 7 minutes
Words per minute
134.1282
Harmful content
Misogyny
5
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Toxicity
59
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Hate speech
60
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Summary
On this week's episode of The KinsellaCast, Warren is joined by the usual suspects (Ben Moroni, Karima, Ryan, and Carl) to discuss the mass shooting in a small town in America, and the revelation that the shooter was trans.
Transcript
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It's the KinsellaCast, starring Warren Kinsella.
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Hey, it's Warren. Welcome to KinsellaCast, episode 401.
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Not as exciting, perhaps, as episode 400, but a great episode, nonetheless.
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I've got the usual suspects in the form of Karima and Ryan and Carl.
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And some amazing music. I've got Joyce Manor to kick things off.
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They've got an album out just a few days ago called I Used to Go to This Bar,
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an epitaph produced by no less than Brett Gerwitz, who is a member of Bad Religion.
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I'm one of the people who runs epitaph. It's nine tracks, this album.
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And I've got a great song to kick things off called I Know Where Mark Chen Lives.
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They're an all-female British kind of indie band in Brighton.
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They call themselves Work Pop. Not quite sure what that means.
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But they only released their debut album in 2024.
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And this song is 23. It's called 23. It's about being 23.
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Then I've got Sprints. Sprints are covering here a song that's more than 20 years old.
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And it needed a good cover. It needed to be covered by somebody.
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They're an Irish garage punk band formed in Dublin in 2019.
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They're my new favorite band of all time of this week.
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The song is about fake ID, which, of course, when you think about it,
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when you're 14, that's really all you're thinking about.
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And one of these kids, one of these guys, his dad is Scott Ian of Anthrax.
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Then I've got Dutch Interior, who's a music project, as they call themselves,
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not a band, of six guys in L.A., kind of Long Beach area.
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And they've got a great song called Ground Scores.
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Mass shootings happen often in the United States.
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So naturally, there are people who collect data about the subject.
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95% of the killers are male, according to these folks, although I've heard 85%.
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About a third of the mass murders happen in workplaces,
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a quarter of them in schools in the United States.
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Handguns are used 75% of the time, followed by rifles and then shotguns.
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And the killers tend to be 35 years of age, on average.
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And in that troubled country, because they are troubled,
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since 1966, thousands of people have been killed.
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And many more than that have been injured in mass shootings.
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Since 2019, there's effectively been a mass killing every single day,
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we don't have mass shootings happening as often,
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because we don't make it easy for sick people to get their hands on guns designed for wartime.
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In a tiny town, in a faraway corner of the country,
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where such a horror was supposed to be impossible.
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the RCMP confirmed that the shooter was somebody who was trans.
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so I didn't know if they'd made that statement in response to a question.
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But anyway, either way, I knew what my reaction was.
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Like, we live in an age of extraordinary cruelty,
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which manifests itself in all of the ordinary ways.
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and misogyny and child abuse and on and on and on.
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And in these dark days, people who are transsexual,
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that is, the puny fraction of 1% of the population
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who have a gender that they genuinely do not feel is theirs,
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have come in for more than their fair share of hate.
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And race usually comes first, the statisticians say,
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But hate crimes directed against trans people is number four
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Hate crimes against trans people grew by 151% in Canada.
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But that's kind of what the Mounties did in reverse in Tumblr Ridge.
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to see Mark Carney and Pierre Polyev hand-in-hand
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praying together for the victims of Tumblr Ridge,
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Is it real, can it feel when you're bashing the head?
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When someone talks a lot, it's like the cannabis shop.
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Hey, give me all the money, baby, no one can't shot.
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And we're back, we're back with our friend Carl Belozier
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Carl, the Quebec Liberal Party is trying to remove all vestiges, the shadow that Pablo
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Rodriguez cast over the proceedings, and they've got a new leader.
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So who is the new leader of the Quebec Liberal Party, and does it matter?
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It does matter, of course, because the Liberals have been the historic foe of the Quebec separatists,
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the PQ, who are now in the lead in the polls and have been for quite some time.
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He finished second behind Pablo Rodriguez his last time, and he's a pharmacist by training.
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He built up a career as a businessman with the company Unipri before moving on to public relations
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He is young, he's 46 or 47, and he is clearly, you know, what Quebecers call and see as a
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And for the Liberals, it's interesting to see that candidacy, which, you know, he was born
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in Levy, which is outside of the Montreal region.
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And that's, you know, that's a region where the Liberals are trailing badly in the polls.
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I got to say, though, Warren, that after Pablo's departure, the Liberals kind of collapsed in
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the polls, but they're back up to where they were in the mid-20s, which is good news for
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And they're only six points back from the PQ in the last Leger poll that was released.
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And Levy is where we had an Olympian from this week who won a medal.
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So, Levy, now he is, he's young, he's openly gay.
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Does that matter in Quebec in this day and age?
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Like the Conservative leader, if you can believe it, is gay.
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I think the fact that he's young is interesting because now that Legault is leaving,
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the leaders are basically a new generation of politicians, with Paul Saint-Pierre Lamandeau also
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Eric Durham from the Conservatives is in his mid-50s.
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The Quebec Solidaires co-leaders are also quite young.
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We'll see what happens with the CAQ, which the leadership race is still going on and will
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So, but for the Liberals, it's interesting because they are trying to position themselves
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as the alternative, the governmental alternative to the Coalition Avenir Québec.
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But also, they are the main opponent to the Parti Québécois.
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They are able to unite people behind their brand because of it.
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So, we could go back, we could reverse the political landscape to what it once was between
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The biggest problem for the provincial Liberals right now, and has been for quite some time,
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They are running a distant third, sometimes in fourth place amongst Francophone voters.
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And, you know, even though they're in the mid-20s in the polls, well, there's 65% of non-Francophones
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that support the Liberals, but about around 15% to 20% who are Francophones who are supporting
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Let's talk a little bit more about separatists in both the Western and Quebec variety.
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So, the separatists, self-described separatists in Alberta have, it's been confirmed, have met
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with some representatives of the Trump administration.
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But the Alberta separatists, I can say from my own personal experience, are idiots.
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And there are rumors that they too have had some kind of interaction with the Trump people.
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Like, what possible advantage, if it's true, would there be for people who are separatists
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or nationalists in Quebec to meet with the Trump administration?
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That seems to me to be a very foolish thing.
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Well, you know, the Quebec separatists have, for a very long time, established relationships
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And to them, it's about creating a relationship to make sure that the Americans don't intervene
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in the process and, you know, maybe even step up and recognize an independent Quebec after
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a referendum, because international recognition is key for you to affirm your sovereignty.
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So, I mean, Quebecers won't read too much into it, frankly, because it's kind of part of what
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has been happening ever since René Lévesque took power in 1976.
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Like, these meetings happened with the American administration, with other countries as well,
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What's interesting to me is the relationship between the Parti Québécois, its leader, and
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the Alberta separatists, because, I mean, they are a fairly far-right group in Alberta that
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And the PQ traditionally have been social democrats.
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And the fact that they are establishing links and working together, I mean, there's a tactical
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advantage for the PQ, you know, if there's another movement that is successful, because
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it will help their own cause, in a way, because Canada will be no longer where it was, and may
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just explode, which will bolster their case, of course.
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So, but at the same time, the PQ leader is trying to diminish those links, while the
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Alberta separatists are trying to, you know, to serve on that kind of relationship with
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So, I find that really fascinating, because it's never really happened before that the
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Quebec separatists were talking with another group of Canadian separatists.
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Something else that's fascinating, maybe we can end here, is the evolving relationship
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We've seen now, all of us, that extraordinary photo of the two of them hand-in-hand, praying
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and remembering the children, those who lost their lives at the mass shooting in Tumblr
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Extraordinary photograph, and then preceded by the two of them coming together in Carney's
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office to talk about the future of the country, and so on.
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I mean, is this something that's happening because Carney needs Polyev to pass his budget
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and keep his government alive, or is there something more meaningful happening, do you think?
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It almost feels like Pierre Polyev understands now that he needs to be seen as a statement
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of some sort, as opposed to the opposition attack dog that he has been successfully.
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Like, even when he was a minister, you will recall, he was always on the offense.
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And Canadians have, you know, learned to know him and get to know him as such.
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And I think that's been an impediment to his capacity to convince Canadians that he could
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And so, I think, in a way, Polyev needs Carney more than Carney needs Polyev.
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Polyev needs to be treated as an equal by Carney, in a way, as the real opponent, as the guy
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that could succeed him as the prime minister in waiting.
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It's not the label that we've attached to Polyev so far.
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But certainly, since the beginning of the year, it feels like his approach has been a little
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And those photos with the prime minister makes Polyev look good.
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They make him look like he could be a statesman.
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And it's not something that most people would have said about him before.
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And it's nice to see, as corny as I sound, it's nice to see our leaders coming together
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and not always, you know, chirping at each other and attacking each other.
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It was something I think the country needed in this sad week.
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My friend, thank you so much again for your wisdom and your insight.
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Could you turn the music off a teeny bit so I can...
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Something about the fact I could further away from when I started out.
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I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I.
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I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I and I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I.
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At 17, I had the world in my hands and eventually I just lost it
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But then you think back about how close you were and how not being alive is a profit
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Cause I'm coming around, yeah it's coming around
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And we're back, we're back with our friend Karima San
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And Karima, like 350,000 people, that's what they're estimating
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Attended this protest against the Iranian regime
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In Toronto, there were protests around the world
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You know, there was a National Day of Protests in 1976
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There was the Ferry Creek blockades in about 20 years ago
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The Winnipeg General Strike, of course, in 1919
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But 350,000, that's one of the biggest protests I think I've ever heard of
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It's bigger by far than anything else I've covered in the past five years
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Including some of the worldwide rallies for freedom
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Like we've seen thousands of people on the streets before
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And really actually hard to fathom when in the crowd
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And you've been covering these protests for years
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Like how do they know that they had 350,000 people there?
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So I assume that's where the media is getting its numbers from
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And then, you know, the police have their methods of estimating
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What is noteworthy since we're talking about police
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You know, it really was a relatively seamless operation
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Conflicts with bystanders or fights within the crowd
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And I'm not sure what the circumstances were there
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That I've discerned from speaking with an Iranian-Canadian
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Is that people are rallying around an individual
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You're but a new man that throws you, you're bad
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I could be entertained even by a super-fucking linoleum floor
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Your lyrics are dumb like a linoleum floor
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see you later see you later see you later see you later and we're back we're back with our
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friend brian lilly and brian's back in canada um and um you know out of this sad week brian
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um there was the terrible events on tuesday in tumblr ridge where children 12 and 13 years old
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were cut down uh by a very troubled person obviously troubled person and there's going
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to be all kinds of discussion and reporting and investigation into what happened and how that
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happened but there's been some positive things this week and i i just wanted to start off by
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talking about a photograph an extraordinary photograph um i think it'll win awards of
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pierre polyev and mark carney uh hand in hand praying in tumblr ridge for those who lost their
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lives praying for that community and it was a really i i got a massive response hundreds of
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thousands of views and comments on on x just a people it really connected with people in a powerful
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way and i wanted to ask you why you thought that was so uh well it was unity at a time when we needed
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it and um on wednesday morning after the uh the terrible events of tuesday that's what i was writing
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about was the unity that both men showed um you know i'm sure you saw the video of mark carney walking
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into uh west block so on wednesday mornings parties hold their weekly caucus meetings and carney was
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walking in to uh to lead the liberal caucus and he got stopped by the cameras as is normal party leaders
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get stopped and they'll say a few words on the way in and sometimes on the way out and this of course was
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the first time he had publicly reacted to the um events in tumblr ridge and the shootings the loss of life
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and he was emotional and choked up and uh the uh was just a few minutes of him in front of the camera
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and then almost immediately uh at a different part you know where the conservative caucus meeting was was
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pure polyeth was up live and same thing he he was not as choked up like mark carney wasn't you know
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crying or anything but he was choked up and emotional and you could see in a different way
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that pure polyeth was as well and they both spoke about the need for unity and polyeth immediately said
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that he's reached out to the prime minister and will he and his party will offer whatever support they
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can to the government to get supports to the people of tumblr ridge and then of course they all flew
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out together on the prime minister's jet to go to the memorial and and then literally stayed hand in
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hand uh the governor general there don davies bob zimmer um you know elizabeth may um was there was a
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a joint news conference of a bunch of mps that was already scheduled for wednesday morning to kick
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off national kindness week uh a thing that started years ago the result of works of the late great
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rabbi rubin volga out of ottawa and um so mps from all the parties were there and they were talking and
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they started getting questions about tumblr ridge just moments after the pm and polyeth had and they were
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all saying good things about each other and you know elizabeth may said she teared up for bob zimmer
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who's the mps in a peace river country great guy but great good but yeah i sent bob a note uh as
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soon as i heard about it yeah me too my heart was breaking for his um his community um and and he is
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just a genuinely good guy and and you see that in his public comments so you've got that photo you've got
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polly up there you've got don davies from the ndp you've got uh you francois blanchet there you've got
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bob zimmer in the middle i mean they're they're they're helping support bob and his community it's
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just um it's how politics should happen in a troubled time of crisis i think that's why it resonated with
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people yeah absolutely um switching gears um to politicians are behaving differently of course in
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the united states it's practically a civil war among their political class and something extraordinary
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has been happening you know trump has always been very skillful in getting the religious faithful
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whether he's evangelicals or practicing jews or practicing catholics on side i think he has been
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much more successful than at that than democrats and stories have started to emerge in recent days about
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how elements in mega and specifically steve bannon former chief of staff or former senior advisor to trump at
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least have been um going after the pope pope francis um and we know this because emails that bannon
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bannon exchanged with jeffrey epstein have come out revealing this and he's also been very very critical
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more critical even of pope leo and i'm just wondering pardon the pun like what the hell is happening
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why are they doing this it makes no sense to me so um yeah bannon was a strategic advisor i've made the
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mistake of telling the former chief of staff as well uh how close he is to trump is up in the air and
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when i interviewed him a year ago he wouldn't really you know say how close he was and others have tried to
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get an answer from him on that hasn't really said they haven't publicly been seen together but he
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bannon does have a big audience within the mega world and a lot of people pay attention to him
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he's not alone in believing that pope francis was a communist uh which in some ways he came out of
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um south america at a time when and he was a jesuit um came out of that era where jesuits out of
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south america quite often were communists and i don't use that in a pejorative term i mean it
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literally um and so pope francis was a very left-wing pope and and bannon has you you watch his show
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and you see all the religious iconography and behind him he's become a bit of an uber catholic and you
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know as always you know in the catholic church if uh i remember when john paul ii was in there were
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people that thought he was too right-wing in the left part of the catholic church and would try and
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fight him that stuff's always going on i find it weird that it comes out in the epstein files
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i mean yeah with all the other stuff coming out in the epstein files it's all about sex and then
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steve bannon pops up and it's about let's get rid of the pope yeah um you know bill gates is still you
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know it's still the weirdest one to me is uh hey jeffrey got me drugs i can slip my wife so she
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doesn't get the stds from the russian hookers steve bannon hey jeffrey how do we take out pope francis
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this this guy apparently was a magician for all uh all in any needs on all sides uh not just republicans
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but democrats too it's pretty sleazy stuff the other day i see this headline that the general
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counselor for goldman sachs yeah she quit was yeah well well you killed my punchline oh sorry
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that the general counsel for goldman sachs was leaving because of the epstein files and i thought
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yeah um no they're falling like flies but not in the united states there's people resigning their
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positions are being fired for their positions because they're showing up in those
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millions upon millions of pages of disclosure there's more to come and they're quitting but
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the ones in the states are holding on to their positions um final thing i want to talk about getting
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back to faith uh we've got ash wednesday coming up this week and and lent um i'm probably this lent
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gonna give up drinking beer for the lenten my lenten sacrifice maybe junk food too because i
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like having a cookie when i'm watching tv what so i and this is very personal you don't have to answer
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if you don't want to but are you planning on getting ashes you planning having a lenten observance what
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are you going to do this year i really should and yeah um what to give up it it can't be something that you
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can give up easily that's not supposed to be the point it's supposed to be something that is a sacrifice so
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i haven't decided yet uh in the past i have given up um uh you know that if you do give up beer
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then you can have beer on on the sunday on sundays and also important feast days so i knew this um
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this girl i went to school with her father worked with my dad is every year he gave up drinking and
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then would get absolutely blotted on st patrick's day he was a doubly man surprise surprise and i
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said well how can you do that and that's how i learned that you know we'd all been practicing
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the observances uh incorrectly they don't apply on sundays and if there is a special feast day
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you can still get blotted on st patrick's day maybe i should do the uh uh give up the the beer
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of the booze with you or no one wants me to give up coffee yeah you don't have to do that we'll give
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you special dispensation for to hold on to coffee well it's coming up so uh i'll let you in the world
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know what i'm going to do so everybody can keep an eye on me but uh in the meantime can i say this
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about uh ash wednesday i was in yeah in washington dc for ash wednesday once yeah and people in canada
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go for their ashes and then they wipe their faces off i was going into meetings all day in dc with
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people with big giant blots on their foreheads yeah across and marco rubio was doing tv last year and he
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had a big cross on his forehead made of ash i i've seen people on cnn and on fox show up including
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some of the staff with the ashes on their forehead and doing tv skull yeah well that wouldn't happen
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here so if you get them wear them probably well i intend to do so um well bless you brother bless you
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and have a um a great uh lint i don't know if you say that well i guess i just did and um have a
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a wonderful day and a wonderful week and thank you
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You look at me, you make me feel so shitty
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I've always said that this is the best place to live
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And now I have kids that don't want to go to school
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But I'll tell you what the reaction was internally. I had a lot of ministers expressing to me, that son of a bitch. So this is, you know, I hate the cliche about virtue signaling, but this is virtue signaling. I guarantee you that there are conservative members of parliament who have heard this and said, that guy has just made my life more complicated and more difficult.
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The best way to handle this is keep quiet about it. And because the recommendation of it, the salary increase is done by an arm's length panel that is in no way partisan. And I believe that these people, all of them, liberal, conservative, and some new Democrats actually work for what they are paid. And they deserve it for the most part.